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Welcome back to finding the edge
podcast. 

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I'm Gary boy. 
Mmm, in today's episode in true,

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finding the edge fashion. 
We had a very emergent 

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discussion with Caleb Abney 
where we did a live commentary 

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on the Brewers Braves and I'll 
DS game which happened to be the

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game that the Braves ended up 
clinching. 

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It's starting to feel like a 
trend every time I have Caleb on

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and I'm about to release his 
episode that he is getting 

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featured in. 
You know, some other podcast or 

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there's an announcement so /. 
The trend it seems like this 

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week as I'm about to release 
this episode with Caleb, he was 

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just named head coach for 
Lancaster Bible College out in 

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Pennsylvania. 
So big congrats to Caleb Abney. 

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If you guys want to see calebs 
offensive Style on full display,

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I highly recommend you guys 
follow Lancaster, Bible College 

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and keep up with all the Eight 
things that he's going to be 

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doing there and so big, congrats
to Caleb. 

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Caleb and I today had a great 
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and today's podcast felt a lot 
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interview. 
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it's much more, much more 
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Super excited to share this with
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What I ended up doing is 
flipping what I thought would be

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most interesting for you guys 
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there's there's a lot of dead 
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going on there so we clipped all
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So that hopefully it's it stays 
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Also to we actually ended up 
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and Robert did of a World Series
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So if you guys want to check 
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longer than this one. 
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part way through it. 
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So just before Warren That if it
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point but regardless if you're 
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But yeah so make sure if you 
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Robert and I did of the World 
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Also on our YouTube channel, 
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it subscribe, like, share all 
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Without further Ado, our 
commentary on the Brewers Braves

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in all DS game. 
Go for it too late John Smoltz 

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sure. 
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though I there's some things 
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completely into it but I 
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are, there are there are yes 
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like, yeah, cool rock on. 
I can get behind that. 

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There are some things he says 
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not good for this game like like
get with it just a little bit. 

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Stop being such an angry old 
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guy old man, screams at the 
clouds, it's just atrocious. 

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He accent heat. 
You literally said this? 

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It was yesterday, I think. 
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I think it was the Red Sox Rays 
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Yeah. 
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Martinez, a pitch that was in 
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It was not a strike was inside, 
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strike, but it was inside. 
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a week, like short fly out and 
John Smoltz. 

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I mean, you know, he's mr. 
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Hit Oppo, everything. 
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traditional old school baseball 
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He literally shouldn't even be 
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but the opposite field and Like 
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his mouth, it's actually easier.
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that you want to try to go the 
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It's easier to do it on that 
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I'm like what? 
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It's easier to hit the ball to 
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that's inside off the plate that
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with like baseball conventional 
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No, I don't know what he was 
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He just really wanted to make 
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opposite field hitting But 
driving not dude, how about the 

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Giants man? 
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That ball that Gavin. 
Lux hid to end. 

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The game was 107 miles an hour. 
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ballpark, the wind I guess was 
crazy Dodger Stadium last night 

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that that was to end the game 
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had gone out. 
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that I really liked watching the
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that one. 
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first game I was watching back 
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how the wind they had a graphic 
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How the wind was moving in the 
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like this is why I love the 
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like it's you know, nobody 
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You know, without the ecological
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highlights one of the factors 
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have to deal with. 
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got to be more adaptable 
dextrous because Well, in last 

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night's game that ball would 
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circumstances. 
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be able to hit to still score 
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I mean I get it that you know 
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pitching staff too. 
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at the same point for the 
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know just hit it over the hit 
over the fielders, you know, 

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like yeah I get it and it's true
until you have the wind that you

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have to deal with. 
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It's like blowing straight into.
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moments like just lowering 
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maybe like, instead of having 
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angles that you're going for 
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drive, it just barely get over 
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So that, you know, and maybe 
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that's your objective in that 
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get up in the wind too much 
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much. 
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in that game Evan Longoria, hit 
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Like the only run that was 
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able to, but it's also where he 
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I think he pulled that one. 
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actually wasn't? 
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the field. 
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Scofield, but Gavin, Gavin lux's
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center field. 
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he liked it was Oppo and Eva. 
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straightaway left field so they 
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but you know maybe in that 
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hit his maybe the wind wasn't 
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maybe like there was like a big 
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When Lux hid, his Balto left 
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So, You know, just the Dynamics 
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of when you can hit balls, is 
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I mean, that I don't feel like 
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weeds of it, quite honestly. 
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at some level, if you know, the 
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and they're fairly consistent, 
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inning, you should, I think we 
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to make them adjustable and to 
your point. 

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I don't think it's a, you know, 
launch angle. 

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Hard enough as it is but just 
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know, maybe hitting a line drive
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drives over the infield, you 
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into the Gap. 
A little bit more on a lower 

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angle which, which that's that's
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standpoint and a header 
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That's where I start. 
Anyway, especially with college 

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hitters that's where I start. 
And there are some guys that, 

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you know, I may be okay with 
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You know, going a little bit 
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with giving a little more 
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most part, especially College, 
editors just hit the ball hard 

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into the Outfield. 
That's it. 

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Let's let's start there. 
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are zero environmental 
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ever going to not be a good 
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Bright. 
Let's start with the thing. 

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That's always going to be a good
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And let's work from there. 
If you end up getting underneath

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the ball a little bit more and 
And the conditions warrant. 

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It then okay, you've had a ball 
over and outfielders had cool. 

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If you end up getting on top of 
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you still hit it hard. 
You still may have a decent 

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chance. 
If you hit it hard enough to 

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where it's like a one hopper 
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it's not right at an infielder. 
So start start with line drives 

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into the Outfield and then let's
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we'll make adjustments and be 
adaptable based on the 

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conditions from there. 
Mmm-hmm and also based on the 

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type of hitter that you are and 
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potentially as currently at that
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it, I mean, because the only 
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and it's not really that good of
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we're playing st. 
Thomas, and there's just massive

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wind and I swear this kid 
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like 110 and it just went, the 
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So that went straight to the 
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absolutely crushed and wind just
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Yeah, so, you know, it's it's 
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you can try being aware of that,
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But to like, what are we going 
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They're like I mean, it's one of
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it's like, you did everything 
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And it just wasn't good enough. 
So yeah, so such as such as life

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in the game of baseball. 
All yeah. 

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That's the way it goes. 
What do you got on the open 

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Jersey? 
the no, the no button of the top

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two just the like Chest popping 
out. 

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I don't mean I mean, do I like 
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No, not really but I don't there
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don't care. 
Yeah. 

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You know, like, it's not, it's 
not something that to me is that

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interesting. 
Like, if it makes you feel more 

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swaggy and you and you play 
better, I don't care, but you 

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got to play better though. 
Yes, you're gonna do that, you 

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better you better back that up. 
How is Yelich done this year? 

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Not good. 
That's kind of what I heard. 

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I was actually thinking about 
that. 

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The last couple days when 
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not had a very good season and 
has struggled and watching him 

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in this series, you can 
definitely see that to like he 

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doesn't look comfortable. 
He is missing pitches that he 

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has hit in the past whether it 
be just swinging. 

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Miss foul ball or hitting week. 
We ground balls or week contact.

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Right on cue. 
We just got beat by a pitch down

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the middle. 
It's it's it is interesting. 

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It highlights to me the you 
know, kind of the nature of The 

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nature of development, 
specifically, on the hitting 

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side, man, he was very late. 
Holy Toledo. 

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This is wild. 
Yes, this is why though. 

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I love the side angle, you know,
because I thought maybe you know

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what he was just under it. 
No, no. 

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It's so obvious. 
He was. 

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Yeah. 
To me, that's the only benefit 

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to the side angle as you can 
see, contact Point. 

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Yeah. 
And you can see like how late 

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somebody is but To me it 
highlights how it's something 

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and hitting. 
We just kind of we just kind of 

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pushed to the side and say well 
hitting is really hard. 

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You know that's like a 
stereotypical like a very 

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typical conventional thing that 
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Yes. 
But like for a guy to go from as

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heralded as he was like God's 
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change to his swing or he made 
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now he's arrived. 
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this year, he's been very 
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swing or changes to, you know to
what you think from a hitting 

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standpoint that you've liked 
arrived adaptability is always 

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going to be something that if 
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year-to-year basis like 
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the moment with the pitch in 
that exact moment and adapting 

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to that pitch. 
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should Trump everything that 
should Trump whatever. 

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Swing change is whatever. 
Oh, he's doing this different 

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this year than he's done in the 
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Like if adaptability isn't your 
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pitch in that exact s Ms. Then 
you're going to have these ups 

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because you're just relying on 
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That next swing change or that 
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Change that like that, it's it 
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just do these like wild Back and
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perspectives on what we think 
works. 

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And most of the time, it's a 
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That doesn't actually translate 
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to it. 
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we were to commit to 
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the most important thing, if we 
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instead of these wild changes in
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Stars, mmm, No, I agree. 
Did. 

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I mean for me it is about that 
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being fully connected to to the 
information in the environment. 

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You know, IE the picture in the 
ball. 

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As a white play occurs right 
there. 

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Oh wow. 
Um I mean that even right there 

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requires you to be in the 
moment, you know. 

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And actually so okay this is a I
don't know if this will make the

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podcast or not but so You know, 
not to touch on any of the 

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points that you just expanded 
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like way too in their head, when
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let's say, trying to feel the 
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conversation with you while 
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Just shut their brain down. 
Yeah, for like, what they're 

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doing. 
I was I was doing some. 

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I was working with somebody for 
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trying to take more of an 
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And we're talking about how, you
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we're doing to be wrote, but you
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the techniques. 
And so in it, he was just 

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talking about how, you know, the
his training partner that he was

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working with was just always, it
was just saying how he can't do 

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something or whatever. 
So they start doing their their 

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movement generator, and he just 
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they're just having a 
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he's doing the stuff that he 
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Yep. 
And he didn't realize it. 

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Because he was nice and the 
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mind in the moment, rather than 
allowing his his unexplored, 

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athletic ability to just come 
out naturally and coaches, don't

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like that. 
This is don't like that because 

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of coaches egomaniacs, and I 
know that that's an extreme 

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thing to say. 
But it's true, like coaches 

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can't handle when something 
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ones that did it. 
And it's like, just let go of 

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that. 
Like just let go, it's okay. 

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Okay, a fleet can do things 
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prescribing it. 
I promise you, especially the 

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higher levels. 
You go to. 

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They have capabilities that you 
that you might be getting in the

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way of because you want to make 
sure that you have things go the

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way that you want it to. 
Because it makes you look good. 

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And yeah, that's that like, that
is such a constraint and then an

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inhibitor to athletic 
development in my opinion. 

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So what would you say on that 
like slow-mo from the side? 

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Like I like looking at that and 
being like well he was just a 

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little early. 
Yeah, he was early and he likes 

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swung over it. 
Like he wasn't even like he 

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wasn't even on the same plane as
that pitch psyche. 

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Like it was like this. 
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good pitch to swing at we're Rod
singer by any means as not a 

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good pitch to swing at but if he
were to hit it like if you would

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What adjustment would he have to
make in order for him to 

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actually be able to hit it? 
Well, he was early and he wasn't

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on there. 
Really wasn't on that. 

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He wasn't on the best plane to 
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that pitch, even if he had an 
event early into. 

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Like I like to think about like 
okay what other ways could he 

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have? 
Bought himself more time to 

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allow the pitch to get a little 
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that pitch was so low to the 
ground. 

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Could he have actually gone out 
and moved? 

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You know, allowed his weight to 
shift even more? 

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Forward and take a center. 
Yeah to go out and get it or 

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could he have had more side Bend
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Torso and more reach so that he 
can extend out? 

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Because then that mole is 
actually easier to hit when it's

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actually further out in front of
the plate there. 

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So, I mean, to me, once you can 
identify those things of like, 

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okay, what could they have done 
differently? 

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Then when you feed them, other 
pitches. 

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Are you talking? 
You do a debrief with them, and 

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you show them video like that, 
then they can go experiment. 

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Or and try those things out and 
see what works for them and what

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doesn't so? 
I mean well for me that's how I 

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would you utilize like that side
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you know what I think is? 
And I know I'm a broken record 

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on this that speaks to the issue
with prescriptive technical 

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model teaching on the swing. 
When you do that when you are 

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when you are teaching a specific
swing. 

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This is this is the correct way.
And if this is in podcast audio 

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form, I am holding up air quotes
right now. 

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When I say that if this is the 
correct way, air quotes the 

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swing. 
That is that is by definition 

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restrictive and confining and it
is it is sending the message to 

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the athlete to The Hitter that 
this is the way that you were 

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supposed to do this. 
Regardless of Is placed in front

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of you, regardless of what the 
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what the previous context was, 
and it by definition limits. 

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Exactly. 
The things that you were 

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mentioning of possibly being 
able to go out and get it more 

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or ride your weight out further,
maybe even out on your front 

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foot which is a No-No in terms 
of, you know, the way that we 

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teach hitting nowadays or just 
even old-school, I mean, for me,

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that's old school. 
Cool. 

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Because that's what I was 
learning when I was coming up. 

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Yeah you know coaches were so 
against that but like you are 

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taking away those potential 
movement Solutions movement 

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Solutions or to use a ecological
Dynamics phrase, action 

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capabilities. 
You are you are limiting that 

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potential by saying this is the 
way that you swing. 

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Well what if you need something 
else that is outside of these 

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rules that you're placing on me 
that I am supposed to stick 

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within And to me, that's why you
see so many, so many hitters 

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that can only hit pitches in the
middle of the plate. 

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Hmm. 
Because they never explore to 

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try to expand that dexterity 
that you mentioned earlier to be

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able to actually get to those 
different pitches because 

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they're so worried about 
executing this specific movement

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pattern. 
I even hate the word pattern. 

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It's, I agree with this specific
movement. 

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Turn that limits you from being 
able to get two more pitches 

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other than just down the middle.
So then what does that lead to 

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then then it leads to and it 
comes out of it's a circular 

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causation in my opinion this 
whole like oh so when get 

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pitches that you can hit down 
the middle and don't like wait, 

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like wait for her pictures to 
make a quote-unquote mistake. 

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And I'm doing air quotes again 
or take take 30. 

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Yeah, like just oh, you know, 
you just have to wait for the 

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picture to make them Mistake. 
Wait for the pitcher to make a 

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mistake like, like, which is 
why. 

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I've said this multiple times on
social media like, why don't we 

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try to create mistakes with how 
we train, try to create the 

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ability to make pitchers pitches
or no longer pitchers pitchers? 

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Because we are exploring all 
these different action 

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capabilities to be able to, then
Deploy on these different 

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pitches. 
Then maybe we don't have to 

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limit ourselves to just hitting 
pitches down the middle that 

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ball was smoked Ground rule. 
Double I was 102. 

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Yeah, that was a perfect example
right there. 

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That was like middle and 
thigh-high like and yeah, he 

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smoked it on that pitch and he 
probably thinks it's because of 

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his swing, but it was because 
it's in the perfect place that 

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he trains for on a regular 
basis. 

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And he's more attuned to that 
pitch and he was just fully in 

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the moment. 
Yeah. 

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Like to and fully fully attuned 
adaptable and dextrous there. 

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And this is the other thing to 
do with when it comes to when 

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we're talking about. 
Like attuned adaptable adaptable

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dextrous from an ecological 
Dynamics approach. 

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You're not, you're not like 
always the same person from 

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moment to moment. 
You're changing like your 

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psychological State changes from
moment to moment your action, 

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kill capabilities, change from 
moment to moment. 

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And so we're hoping though that 
through all the different 

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training that training 
environment and past experience 

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playing the game that you have, 
that you will better be able to 

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It into those states that allow 
you to succeed. 

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And and so for me, that's that's
kind of why I say, like, you 

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know, he was attuned adaptable 
and dexterous in that moment. 

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But that is based on the 
experiential level that you have

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with those moments, right? 
So way, yes. 

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I mean because you well I mean 
it's going to coincide with how 

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much with how often you found 
yourself. 

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Yes, I know where you're going 
with it. 

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Or where I'm going to take where
you were going with it. 

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Is it what it will? 
Then show is like if you're able

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to do it more consistently than 
you're going to have more 

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consistent results but Just in 
the way that you can take, one 

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person who doesn't have a ton of
track record, of history of 

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being a performing at a high 
level, and you stick them in and

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it like, and, you know, 
high-level moment and then they 

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actually perform that's not 
based upon their past 

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experience. 
That's based on the fact that 

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everything in that situation. 
Whether it's something that a 

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coach said, maybe it's, you 
know, something else to that 

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they were listening to 
throughout the day. 

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They watched inspirational 
video. 

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Somebody said a good word to 
them, whatever. 

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And then they No, it combines 
with that moment when they go up

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to the plate and they, you know,
they hit a pitch that, you know,

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they have no business or, you 
know, get a hit a game-winning 

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hit off of pitcher. 
They have no business doing that

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against that to me, just shows 
that for that moment, they were 

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in such a state that they were 
able to be attuned. 

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Adaptable dextrous that you're 
talking about like the idea of 

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like a flow State more so than, 
oh, I've experienced hitting 

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that pitch in practice. 
So it's easier for me to do it 

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in competition. 
Well, I mean it's both right. 

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Like so what I'm saying is that 
because like what I like about 

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an ecological approach is that 
we talk about complexity like 

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there everything is a 
multifactorial event, right? 

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So it's not taking away from 
what you're saying at all. 

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It's just saying that. 
The, when we assess like, why 

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something happens, it's not 
always because of their past 

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experience, right? 
It, that is a Opponent of it, 

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but it doesn't. 
It's not necessarily a 

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prerequisite for it. 
That's all I'm saying. 

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Yeah, that makes sense. 
Because there's all kinds of 

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things that go into why we have 
the capability to do the things 

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that we do from a physicality 
standpoint, whether it's 

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athletic or or not. yeah, I mean
it's back to the the, your 

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previous podcast, you know, 
maybe he ate Cheerios this 

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morning or whatever, you know, 
like, It it all plays in and it 

449
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,000
and it's more on the perceptions
of the of the athlete and how 

450
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,000
they perceive it. 
But but I mean that's, that's, 

451
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,400
that doesn't mean that you can 
do everything, you do have to 

452
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,200
understand, like, how the system
adapts, you know, perceptually 

453
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,100
and, and to your point that 
you're making earlier, we want 

454
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:24,400
them to be able to do that more 
often and more frequently, not 

455
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,100
just one off one time, like, you
know, we're watching the movie 

456
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:31,200
Miracle and we just have to Beat
the Russians one time. 

457
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,300
Yeah, I know. 
So that's why these things 

458
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,900
matter and actually 
understanding these principles 

459
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:40,900
and trying to implement them 
more frequently and more often. 

460
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,800
It's so that the athletes can 
perform at a high level more 

461
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:51,500
frequently and more often, 
Didn't look like it felt good. 

462
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:55,900
Did you see that? 
Yeah. 

463
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:58,700
Did he scratch up? 
His nose? 

464
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:02,700
Looks like it. 
I don't know if that's dirt or 

465
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:06,600
like blood. 
Yeah, that was right down the 

466
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:29,800
middle. 
oh, you're a go infield in We 

467
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:38,700
could potentially have. 
What is the score of? 

468
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:51,300
White Sox, Astros game. 621 top 
of the eighth, so barring 

469
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:57,800
something crazy the Astros are 
going to Complete that series. 

470
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:04,700
The Braves win this game and 
then the Giants when tonight. 

471
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:09,300
Then we could have every series 
would be done today. 

472
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,200
Yeah, that's why. 
I was like we got to do this 

473
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:18,300
this stream today not tomorrow 
because there might not be 

474
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:20,900
anything to watch tomorrow, may 
not be anything until Friday 

475
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:26,000
because that's when I think 
that's when I think that's the 

476
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,300
schedule. 
That's a big out right there. 

477
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,800
It was couldn't even get it in 
played. 

478
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,300
I mean this is where like, you 
know, everybody talks about 

479
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:38,000
like, oh, just hit the ball hard
and far. 

480
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,300
Mmm, you don't always 
necessarily need to do that. 

481
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:43,600
Like, I'd take Louisa rise in 
that situation. 

482
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,100
Who can just find a hole like 
that works. 

483
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:54,500
There it does but you're taking 
a greater risk from From a 

484
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:58,300
probability standpoint because 
you know there's there's more 

485
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:02,800
infielders on the infield where 
a less less of a reaction time. 

486
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,400
Obviously with them moved in 
there's less of a reaction time.

487
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:07,900
I mean there's that but I mean 
that works too. 

488
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:09,200
That's is fair. 
No. 

489
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:12,900
But like a ball look. 
All you have to do though is 

490
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:16,400
like by a contact hitter. 
Like what I'm meaning is not 

491
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,200
necessarily just a ground ball 
through the infield. 

492
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,400
I'm I'm meaning With a, with the
ability to handle the bat. 

493
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:26,400
And even because right? 
Yeah. 

494
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200
Oh, Rhys has the ability to flip
it over the infield. 

495
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,300
Yeah, I mean, that's that's what
you need in that scenario. 

496
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:36,200
Is somebody who has good bat 
control contact ability. 

497
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:40,000
Who can, you know, basically 
spray the ball at different 

498
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000
angles. 
I mean, a ball in the air. 

499
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,300
There is going to score somebody
to. 

500
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,600
I mean that's that's where I. 
Yeah, to me when I got a guy on 

501
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,600
third, like, yeah, we are 
Friday, hit it over over. 

502
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,900
The infielders and you may get a
hit out of it, you may hit a 

503
00:30:54,908 --> 00:30:56,600
double out of it at the very 
least. 

504
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,800
You got a decent chance. 
I mean as long as you don't hit 

505
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,800
it like Sally of getting a Sac 
fly out of it like worst case 

506
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,100
scenario so it's try to hit a 
hard end of The Outfield 

507
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,600
somewhere which you know again 
like we mentioned earlier that. 

508
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,800
I mean that's to me that's 
pretty much always the goal like

509
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,700
no matter the situation and I 
feel like if you start there, 

510
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,000
you give yourself a really 
really good chance in pretty 

511
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,700
much any scenario of Of coming 
through and whatever situation 

512
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:24,700
that you're trying to come 
through it. 

513
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:30,200
And absolutely, I mean, because 
for me the whole, my whole Focus

514
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:32,900
From The Hitting side is how do 
we score runs? 

515
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:38,100
You know, it's great to, you 
know, try to go for 22 runs 

516
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:40,300
right there. 
But you know, what one is, 

517
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,900
what's that old saying? 
Like one in the one in the hand 

518
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:46,800
is better than two in the bush. 
Like, I mean, I'd rather have a 

519
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:53,300
run there then you know, Onto 
just a wealth of like, I'm not 

520
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,300
going to be opposed. 
If you hit it over the fence, 

521
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,100
you know, by any means. 
But once you got two strikes on 

522
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:01,900
you, like let's let's go for a 
where the higher probability is 

523
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,700
and I am filled still in. 
I think that's where the 

524
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:08,900
distinction is the count. 
Yes, or two strikes, try to 

525
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:12,200
break and crush it and you get a
pitch, you feel like you can 

526
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,100
hammer it if you miss it, it's 
still probably going to be a Sac

527
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:17,300
fly, right? 
When you get the two strikes 

528
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,400
like still, try to hit it hard 
into the Outfield, but But like 

529
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:25,900
make your focus like I just got 
to find a way to hit this, put 

530
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:29,800
the barrel just a little bit 
below the middle of the ball and

531
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,500
try to do that as hard as I can 
with the constraint of trying to

532
00:32:34,508 --> 00:32:37,500
make sure that I'm able to do 
that first and foremost. 

533
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,600
And who knows? 
You still may hit a home run 

534
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,500
like with that kind of approach 
like he's no, make it a double. 

535
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:49,200
I'm good at the very least like 
you are trying to get it into 

536
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,100
the Outfield and like maybe 
Chance at least drive that run 

537
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,600
in, you know, even if you're not
driving are so, I mean, because 

538
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,600
that right there would have 
gotten the run in the last 

539
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,200
at-bat. 
Absolutely. 

540
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:04,600
And now no runs in that inning 
and we'll see how many runs, you

541
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,100
know, ultimately matter in this,
in this game, I can't remember 

542
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,200
what was it the Rays game 
yesterday? 

543
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,900
Boston, it came down to one run 
in a way. 

544
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,700
Yep. 
So but I actually, I like this 

545
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:21,300
so far of using the game as just
a way to To talk. 

546
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,300
Yep, and about everything up 
conversation about things and It

547
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:30,400
kind of reminds you of stuff, 
it's like examples of things and

548
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,800
like the real game situations 
which, you know, imagine this is

549
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,500
where matters like yes in the 
game that's where it matters. 

550
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:42,200
We forget that. 
So often. 

551
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:50,500
Mmm, so often, I mean to like 
those arms slots, just hold that

552
00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:53,400
balls moving. 
I I find that to be hard 

553
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,900
obviously, you know, I don't 
coach at I often don't coach at 

554
00:33:56,900 --> 00:34:01,100
a level where guys are this 
good, but at the same point, 

555
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:05,200
Like how do you recreate that 
when you know you only have so 

556
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,600
many? 
So many arms you know like 

557
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,600
that's what I've been thinking 
about is how do I recreate these

558
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,300
different pitches? 
Yeah those different looks well,

559
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:23,400
which is like I mean that's 
that's another limitation of 

560
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:32,199
like traditional BP, right off 
of off of a coach. which is why 

561
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:39,199
I like, the, and I know we've 
talked about this before the 

562
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:45,100
Flaws from the perspective of 
picking up information off of 

563
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:52,400
the picture that exists in using
pitching machines that, you 

564
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,500
know, that would be your like, 
from conversations. 

565
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:57,400
We've had previously. 
That would be your biggest 

566
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:00,000
complaint of them. 
And, you know, I know from an 

567
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,900
ecological perspective that is, 
you know, a negative part of 

568
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:10,300
using a pitching machine, is it 
real, like the fact that you in 

569
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:12,100
a bad? 
In practice setting, you face 

570
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:15,600
such a different type of pitch 
from a movement and velocity 

571
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,500
standpoint. 
The fact that you actually get 

572
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:23,100
to pick up the information that 
really isn't like that 

573
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,500
consistent with the information 
that you're getting from a 

574
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:29,300
picture to your point throwing 
at those on angles with that 

575
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:31,200
speed. 
And their body is moving very 

576
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,000
differently than how traditional
BP thrower. 

577
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,500
Like a coach is going to move 
there in a different spot, 

578
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:40,600
they're closer to you. 
So the negatives that you It 

579
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,800
from using a pitching machine 
from not getting those things. 

580
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:49,800
Is it really that is that 
adverse compared to you know? 

581
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:53,100
Okay using a machine or most of 
information? 

582
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,900
I'm not going to get that close 
of information from BP pitcher 

583
00:35:55,900 --> 00:36:00,100
anyway, so I might as well get 
the pitch right like the actual 

584
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:03,500
ball flight I might as well at 
least get that piece of it 

585
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:08,500
similar since, you know I guess 
the point I'm trying to make is 

586
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:12,400
A coach throwing batting 
practice, does not really look 

587
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,700
that much like a pitcher 
throwing to you. 

588
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,600
It doesn't some ways. 
It depends how you do it. 

589
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,600
Like meaning does your does the 
coach actually try to pitch? 

590
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:25,600
You know I use a pitching motion
or is he just throwing it over 

591
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,600
the plate? 
I mean, Granite like I liked you

592
00:36:28,607 --> 00:36:31,800
know going down and hanging out 
with Nick and he's throwing 

593
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,900
batting practice. 
Now he didn't I don't remember 

594
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,800
that if he had a full leg kick 
and everything but I mean the 

595
00:36:37,808 --> 00:36:40,800
mere fact that he was mixing. 
Pitches that was awesome. 

596
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:47,400
When was that maybe end of 
August or something? 

597
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,800
I was always there before Fall 
Ball Z. 

598
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,100
What it said you went to Georgia
Tech. 

599
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,300
Yeah, what were you there for? 
I was trying to get flight scope

600
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,700
to work. 
I still I need to email flight 

601
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:01,700
scope so that I can do something
to get my flight scope working. 

602
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,600
Why were you at Lana though? 
Because I wanted to calibrate it

603
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,400
against track man. 
The you went down there 

604
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:13,000
specifically for that and like 
you set that up with Nick and 

605
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,100
everything. 
Yep. 

606
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,000
And he was like was it like 
individuals for them? 

607
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,100
And he was throwing the guys 
know, we me and him were just 

608
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:24,300
talking and we went into the 
cage and started goofing around,

609
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,200
okay, it's how he is throwing to
me and this this is actually 

610
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,900
like so we did something that I 
really liked which is to your 

611
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:37,700
point earlier. 
Is he just like I wanted to I 

612
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:40,100
think you should if your guys 
can handle it you should just 

613
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:46,300
start off with this of do. 
Hit everything DP and it's 

614
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:48,500
mixed. 
So all I was doing was mixing 

615
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:51,400
and I had no idea which pitch 
was coming and my whole goal was

616
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,300
just to try to be as connected 
as possible or in the morning as

617
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:56,900
possible ball. 
Yep. 

618
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:59,200
To him in the ball and just just
Barrel. 

619
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,000
It wasn't. 
My I was just trying to warm up 

620
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:08,300
and warm up by like so you did 
you see Rafe Kelly, did I share 

621
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:13,700
a Kelly's work with you at all? 
Maybe he spoke at the sport 

622
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:19,300
movement skill conference this 
year but anyways I went to his 

623
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:23,400
Retreat this past weekend and 
his whole thing was on parkour. 

624
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,700
Martial arts, natural movement, 
all that sort of stuff. 

625
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:30,200
And so some of the some of the 
activities we did were just to, 

626
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:37,600
like, just warm up the body to 
move and to try to be more 

627
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,200
perceptually in tune with your 
environment. 

628
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,200
And so Like something as simple 
as like. 

629
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:45,000
Okay we're going to move. 
I'm going to, I'm going to fix 

630
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,700
my eyes on a specific Target and
I'm not going to take my eyes 

631
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:51,900
off of that Target and I'm just 
going to move in as many 

632
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:55,600
different ways and explore and 
so like I just kind of to me 

633
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,300
it's like taking that concept 
except now we're just actually 

634
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:01,300
hitting and this is a warm-up 
I'm not trying to move fast. 

635
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:03,600
I'm not trying to like crush the
ball as hard as I can. 

636
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,300
I'm literally just trying to hit
the ball, every single pitch 

637
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,900
that is thrown my goal is to try
to hit it. 

638
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:12,700
Yep. 
And I think that's a great 

639
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,200
warm-up. 
That's exactly what you just 

640
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:22,000
said that is that is a staple in
any programming that that I have

641
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,100
control over to build a run, 
anything that I had the control 

642
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:30,100
over like I do. 
And I call them and I think Chad

643
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:33,100
calls on the same thing. 
No takes rounds. 

644
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,700
So you literally don't get to 
take and I try to do them as 

645
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:42,500
often as I possibly can. 
I don't know that I always do 

646
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:46,400
the best job of explaining the 
reasoning behind it, that is an 

647
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,400
area that I can improve in 
because it takes like that is. 

648
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:57,200
So that is so very different 
from what hitters expect and 

649
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,000
what people expect in this game,
it's actually the Opera, what 

650
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,200
did your what the, yes, right. 
I mean, it's not opposite of 

651
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,400
what they're taught, right? 
Yes, batting practice there. 

652
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,400
They're taught. 
I don't swing at that and BP. 

653
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,500
That's a that's 2 inches off the
plate. 

654
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:12,300
Like Yeah. 
So you're never going to swing 

655
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:14,200
at a pitch. 
Is 2 inches off the plate in a 

656
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,800
game. 
Like, come on, dude. 

657
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,600
But it's so anti, you know, 
what? 

658
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,000
They're taught these days. 
So it takes a lot to get buy-in 

659
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,100
with that, but I think that is 
it might quite possibly be the 

660
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:31,200
best hitting exercise that I 
like to do. 

661
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,000
And could potentially have the 
most amount of benefit to any 

662
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,400
hitter at any level, if you can 
get the buy-in and get them to 

663
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,200
actually fully commit to trying 
to get something. 

664
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:43,400
Out of it. 
I mean in some ways I don't know

665
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,100
if I would go that far. 
I look at it as a warm-up for 

666
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:46,900
me. 
It's a warm-up. 

667
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:49,700
It's something that gets you 
perceptually attuned. 

668
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:51,800
I think it gets you to your 
point, exploring. 

669
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,600
I like it a lot. 
I just don't because I think 

670
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,600
really where you have to go with
this. 

671
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,800
And this is what I see a lot do 
with a lot of other people, 

672
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200
like, they'll do some things 
that are ecological. 

673
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,400
But To me, you have to take it 
all the way in terms of 

674
00:41:07,408 --> 00:41:09,800
representativeness. 
I mean, that's where you kind of

675
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,200
go with the ecological 
approaches like, okay, where are

676
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,900
you on the, on the Continuum of 
representativeness and to me, 

677
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:20,000
like they hit everything around,
is not that representative. 

678
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,500
I mean, there's a whole face 
could be what could be polygamy,

679
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,100
but but it's not, it's it's one 
slice of the game and I've been 

680
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:30,900
thinking about this and this, 
this came up in the 

681
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:32,600
conversation. 
I was having today about like 

682
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,000
the martial arts stuff and 
because martial arts has just 

683
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:41,400
this Panacea of like different 
things. and so, In a way you're 

684
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,200
looking to see. 
Okay, have you heard of the book

685
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,700
make it stick by Peter Brown? 
It's about learning. 

686
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:49,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

687
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:52,400
So in it he talks about this 
idea and concept of interleaving

688
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:57,800
and so to me, what I want to do 
is I want to interleave a bunch 

689
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,000
of different types of scenarios 
skills whatever. 

690
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,100
So for example like let's like a
hit everything around, I might 

691
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:09,600
start there and then I might 
transition to like a, you know 

692
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:15,200
To strike ground or maybe maybe 
a transition to runner on third 

693
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:17,500
round you know. 
Less than two outs, get them in.

694
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:19,900
You know, like we just we're 
going to we're going to start. 

695
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:21,900
We're going to start here and 
then we're going to go over here

696
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:25,000
and then we might come back to 
hit everything around again, but

697
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,500
maybe I'm watching the player 
and I'm like, you're going to do

698
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:31,400
hit everything around and then 
you're going to work, you know, 

699
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,900
to strike ground or something or
Whatever. 

700
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,000
So I might mix it up based upon 
what you see the player needing 

701
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:43,200
I think that's how I would 
approach it. 

702
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:47,600
It can be hugely beneficial in 
the example that you just gave 

703
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,300
to to provide a context where 
this exercise that we're doing 

704
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,600
to start off. 
There could be some potential 

705
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,100
crossover where you can utilize 
the skills that you're 

706
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:01,300
developing in the hit everything
round or the notation round. 

707
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:05,300
Yes, here is a context where you
could potentially use those 

708
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:07,900
skills. 
Now let's do this and then that 

709
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,900
helps them make the connection 
better because it's like okay 

710
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:16,000
this is why we do this too 
because then it's the situation 

711
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,400
that they might actually be able
to deploy that skill. 

712
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:23,400
So the perfect example is you go
from Hit everything round two. 

713
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:25,200
A hit and run round. 
Yeah. 

714
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,200
I mean you know, like and which 
is basically the same thing, 

715
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,100
right? 
It is. 

716
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:33,400
But it isn't like, let's say, I 
actually put a runner on, you 

717
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,800
know, and then we, we actually 
put fielders out there. 

718
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:43,000
And now now I actually have you 
because to me, I like the idea 

719
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,400
and we've probably talked about 
this before, you know, whether 

720
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,500
it's legend or not. 
It's something that I think if, 

721
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:51,800
if someone actually did it, then
we should try and see if we can 

722
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,300
recreate it of Well if the 
fielders are in motion on a 

723
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,700
hit-and-run, do you have the 
ability to you know or what does

724
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:01,900
the pitch afford you? 
Because the now that the 

725
00:44:01,908 --> 00:44:04,700
fielders are moving, does that 
pitch afford? 

726
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:08,500
You put put it in the hole, does
it afford you putting in a 

727
00:44:08,508 --> 00:44:10,600
different hole and hitting in a 
different spot where you would 

728
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:16,400
traditionally hit it? 
and so that's that's to me is 

729
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,100
where you make it more specific 
and then see what they can do 

730
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:24,700
with it. 
Because yes, it's the same but 

731
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:27,700
it's not the same because once 
you start putting in different 

732
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:30,900
pieces into that equation and 
into that task, it's going to 

733
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:34,000
change the behavior. 
Well, because it changes your 

734
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:40,000
attentional focus and it changes
Different variables, which, you 

735
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,100
know, are going to alter what 
you're trying to do, and what 

736
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:49,200
your intentions are, as a result
of what you as you as you 

737
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,100
alluded to what you're 
perceiving and the moment which 

738
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:56,500
is going to change that. 
Also, whatever instructions 

739
00:44:56,500 --> 00:45:00,100
you're given by the coach, 
whatever instructions are given 

740
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:03,300
by the person that is 
instructing you or developing 

741
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:06,900
you or has expectations of you 
and in that moment, like, for 

742
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:09,500
example, on a hit-and-run, Run. 
Most, most coaches. 

743
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:11,200
Want the ball? 
We're on the ground. 

744
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:14,000
Mmm. 
I'm not necessarily one of them.

745
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,700
I'm not that rigid on that. 
But yeah, yeah, a lot of 

746
00:45:17,707 --> 00:45:19,200
coaches. 
It's like whatever you got to 

747
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,800
do. 
You hit everything and it better

748
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,400
be on the ground. 
You hit the top part of the ball

749
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,500
and make sure it's on the 
ground. 

750
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,100
Those are obvious constraints 
with what guys are trying to do,

751
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:32,100
which that, that, that changes 
it from a note, takes round two.

752
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:35,400
Okay, yeah, I don't get to take.
And I'm supposed to be doing 

753
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,000
this, and this is what I'm 
seeing from the Fats which may 

754
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,200
or may not change what I'm 
trying to do. 

755
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,800
Those are a lot of constraints 
and those are a lot of different

756
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,000
things to try to be like 
grappling with while at the same

757
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,200
time, being in the moment and 
being like, focused on the ball 

758
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,100
and like having that be your 
primary focus of what you're 

759
00:45:56,100 --> 00:46:01,100
trying to accomplish. 
So yeah, that obviously adds a 

760
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:04,800
lot of variables, which could 
then potentially change your 

761
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,800
behavior, as a result of all 
those constraints, whether it be

762
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,100
Environmental psychological, the
expectations that are associated

763
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,400
with that as well. 
Those are all things to consider

764
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,300
that are obvious, very, very 
different factors from the ones 

765
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:22,700
that you're going to get from 
just a. 

766
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,300
Okay, let's not take anything 
and let's just hit everything 

767
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:30,100
that we see. 
It does make it more complex, 

768
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:33,900
for sure. 
It out of that out. 12. 

769
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:38,800
If you actually have Runners out
there and you have a catcher and

770
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,400
a pitcher, like you know how 
much how much how often is it 

771
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,900
said well you swing it 
everything when you're on a hit 

772
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:49,600
and run it's like let's just 
think about that. 

773
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:52,000
You really own everything, don't
ya, right? 

774
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,600
It's the way over your head or 
if it bounces three feet in 

775
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,400
front of the plate you probably 
shouldn't be swinging at it. 

776
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:59,700
I mean, yeah. 
If if the catcher can't make a 

777
00:46:59,707 --> 00:47:02,600
throw on that on that ball 
that's being thrown to you. 

778
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,200
And it's not a strike and take 
the darn thing. 

779
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,200
Like there's no reason what's 
the point. 

780
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:10,600
What's the point of taking it 
Taking a strike there on a pitch

781
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,600
that doesn't deserve to be 
called a strike and you have all

782
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,100
you did was hurt yourself. 
It had zero benefit. 

783
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,500
You can have a runner on. 
You have a runner on second 

784
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:20,100
without having to give yourself 
up. 

785
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:22,100
Yeah. 
And still have a chance to drive

786
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:22,900
a mini. 
Yeah. 

787
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:25,000
Yeah. 
And that's what I think. 

788
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,500
Do you like by doing that and 
doing it live with the runner 

789
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:31,800
and stuff is like they begin to 
and a catcher because the 

790
00:47:31,808 --> 00:47:34,700
catcher can then Art to see, 
like can I get this guy out on 

791
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:37,700
this ball? 
I mean, because if you have as a

792
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:39,800
hitter you need to have some 
sense of what the catcher's 

793
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,000
capabilities are so that it can 
tell you what pitches you should

794
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,900
swinger. 
Not swing it because we're going

795
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:49,700
to be as coaches. 
Mad if you take a pitch on a 

796
00:47:49,707 --> 00:47:53,500
hit-and-run that gets the that 
guy gets the runner thrown out 

797
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:55,600
on. 
You never like, yeah. 

798
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,400
But it bounced. 
Yeah. 

799
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,100
But it bounced right into his 
glove? 

800
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,700
You know what I mean? 
Like that. 

801
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,400
Yeah, that's that's not, that's 
not going to work. 

802
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,500
You still got to swing at that 
one. 

803
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:09,300
You got to protect the runner. 
So it to me that that that 

804
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:12,400
explains why you should have 
these different pieces involved 

805
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,500
in your practice activity. 
Yeah, side note, I don't know 

806
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:19,400
that I would do that because I'm
not a big hit run guy 

807
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,600
personally. 
Hmm. 

808
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:26,900
So I don't know that I would 
Have any players and I'm 

809
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:31,000
coaching where I have the 
authority over, what they are 

810
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,900
doing or not doing a 
competition. 

811
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:34,900
I don't know that I would put 
them in that situation because 

812
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:37,300
it just wouldn't be just 
wouldn't be useful because I'm 

813
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,000
not gonna probably not going to 
be asking them to do that in a 

814
00:48:40,008 --> 00:48:42,200
game. 
Anyway so that's fair. 

815
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,700
I mean the whole another 
conversation now. 

816
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,900
Yeah, for me personally, I want 
I want my offense to be 

817
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:54,300
dexterous adaptable in dextrous 
also I do You like the idea of a

818
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:57,500
guy running while a hitter is 
hitting, that's fair. 

819
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,300
And I do like Andrew what you 
want that to be a straight. 

820
00:49:01,300 --> 00:49:05,300
Steal. 
If guys running like, I do not 

821
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:10,800
want to tell years. 
I don't tell hitters hey, if you

822
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:15,300
like if a guy is running and he 
gets a great jump, I want you to

823
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:16,900
take that pitch. 
I don't say that. 

824
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:18,900
Know, if it's something, you 
feel like you can Hammer crush, 

825
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:20,900
it let the hit-and-runs happen 
that way. 

826
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,600
Mmm, let them happen. 
It actually might happen more 

827
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,200
frequently as a result of just 
allowing it to organically 

828
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,500
happen playing the game with 
what they're seeing in the 

829
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:36,000
moment, what they're attuning to
what what the game is, providing

830
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,600
them kind of giving it to them 
in that way. 

831
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:43,700
As far as like me like 
explicitly saying you're going 

832
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:46,600
to run here and you're going to 
swing no matter what like that's

833
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,800
that's that's that's not who I 
am as a coach. 

834
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,200
I like giving more of that 
freedom and and kind of teaching

835
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,300
before and after two players, 
how they could potentially be 

836
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,700
picking up better information 
and being able to, you know, 

837
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:05,800
maybe provide the provide for 
themselves better ways to be 

838
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,700
more successful. 
I think it's better if it 

839
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:10,900
happens, organically instead of 
me legislating it by putting a 

840
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:13,100
sign on to say, hey we're 
hitting and running here. 

841
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:15,400
Like, no, just let it happen. 
Naturally. 

842
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:18,900
No, I like that. 
I just so when I'm thinking 

843
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:20,900
about what you're saying, I'm 
thinking about like, okay, how 

844
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:24,500
would I design? 
How would I My practice is to 

845
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:29,800
allow the players to fully take 
advantage of that philosophy. 

846
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,800
And so like based upon what 
you're saying, I would want my 

847
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,900
hitters and and Runners to some 
extent, but no actually Runners 

848
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:41,900
to. 
So I want my hitters to actually

849
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:46,200
experience that where they see 
guys just take off, we don't 

850
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,700
know that they're running, they 
take off. 

851
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,600
And quite honestly, I would want
guys to have some Attunement. 

852
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,600
It's a Field one sensitivity to 
that. 

853
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,000
But then also some sensitivity 
in a tune meant to is that 

854
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,500
really, really a pitch that you 
can drive. 

855
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:05,000
Because if you feel like, you 
know, maybe like you initially, 

856
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,100
you're like yes, yes. 
And then you're like, yeah. 

857
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,700
Not 100% on this. 
And you've got a great jump. 

858
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:12,500
Shut it down. 
You don't know me like that, 

859
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,600
that you have to, you have to 
create scenarios where they, 

860
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,100
where they train that field, 
because otherwise they're just 

861
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:21,000
going to take a hack there and 
it's going to hurt your guys, 

862
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,800
that, you know, he had a great 
jump. 

863
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,500
Time and he fouled it off. 
Yeah. 

864
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:26,900
Yeah. 
And so, but on the flip side, 

865
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,700
you then need your Runners. 
Used to the fact of you go steel

866
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,700
ball, put in the put in play in 
the air. 

867
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,500
You got an evil twin the wall? 
Yeah, they need to be peeking, 

868
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,300
they have to, they have to have 
that awareness of being able to 

869
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:42,900
find the ball, pick it up and 
know whether or not, they get a 

870
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:45,500
book, it back to back to their 
previous base. 

871
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:49,600
Or you know what? 
Maybe maybe actually you got two

872
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,500
bases or more there and you got 
to be ready to get going on your

873
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:53,100
horse. 
Soooo. 

874
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:56,300
I mean because sometimes I bet 
you you'd see that to where a 

875
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:58,700
guy just goes to steal and they 
see it hit and they just stopped

876
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:02,600
at the base that they were going
to so well I think that from 

877
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,800
like a base running standpoint 
and from just like a play in the

878
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:10,100
game standpoint that is you 
know, that's just being being as

879
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:13,100
we talked about a lot here being
in the moment, being attuned to 

880
00:52:13,107 --> 00:52:16,200
what the ball is doing. 
Being aware of every bit of 

881
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,700
piece of info that you can be 
taking up around you and the 

882
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:22,800
environment to to then be able 
to make better decisions. 

883
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,500
And be more instinctual with how
you are trying to play the game,

884
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,200
that's going to lead to the most
amount of success. 

885
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,400
So which, you know, would be a 
very big part from an offensive 

886
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,700
standpoint. 
If I was in control of offense 

887
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:39,700
that I would be trying to 
instill those Concepts and those

888
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:46,100
ideas and principles and more 
specifically, if you're stealing

889
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,400
you like a hundred percent of 
the time you pee, there there is

890
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,800
never a time that you are 
stealing that you are not. 

891
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:56,100
Not looking in to see to try to 
pick up the ball, as it's going 

892
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,900
into the Hitting Zone. 
Like always you, you always need

893
00:52:58,900 --> 00:53:02,700
to be picking that up because 
you never know if the hitter is 

894
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:05,300
is going to be swing at that 
pitch or not. 

895
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,800
So you need to be picking that 
up the other thing from a 

896
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,800
hitting standpoint and you 
brought this point up, it's a 

897
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,900
really good point. 
Having conversation with the 

898
00:53:12,908 --> 00:53:16,800
hitters to say, listen, I want 
you to have the freedom to hit, 

899
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,600
if it's a Pity that you feel 
like you can hammer in a gap 

900
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,700
somewhere. 
I also want you to have the 

901
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:24,300
freedom to feel like if You want
to take that pitch because you 

902
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:27,800
would rather hit with him on 
second and him on first, make it

903
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,000
mine. 
I want to leave that up to them 

904
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,300
like, and that is a decision 
based on them in the moment, how

905
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:35,900
they're feeling, whether they're
confident enough to be able to 

906
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,800
take a pitch down the middle, 
maybe it gets into one strike, 

907
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,000
maybe get some 22, but they're 
confident enough in their 

908
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,800
ability to be able to get the 
job done later in the that too, 

909
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,800
because it maybe they want a 
better RBI opportunity. 

910
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:50,400
Mmm, so having the freedom to do
either, or those are 

911
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,500
conversations that you have with
your hitters as well. 

912
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:54,500
And then it's something you 
talked about before. 

913
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:58,100
It's something to talk about 
after ABS so that they can 

914
00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:00,800
better be able to determine 
whether that was a good decision

915
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,000
to either swing or not swing and
how they get and how they can be

916
00:54:04,008 --> 00:54:05,600
better from that. 
Move forward in the future. 

917
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:08,500
As far as a practice design 
standpoint. 

918
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:12,500
I think that's why I'm such a 
believer in playing games as 

919
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:17,000
often as you possibly can. 
Now with the intention of having

920
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,600
conversation before and after so
that you can learn from stuff 

921
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,700
that happens in the game. 
But That's why from a practice 

922
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:29,000
design standpoint as often as we
can create those situations by 

923
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,900
playing actual games, with the 
freedom, to be able to stop 

924
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:34,900
games. 
If necessary, to be able to talk

925
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:38,500
about situations and be able to 
learn from them, but as often as

926
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:42,100
you possibly can, you play games
so that you put players in those

927
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:45,800
situations so that you can then 
facilitate that conversation so 

928
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,900
that they can grow from it. 
But to your point you you can't 

929
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:53,800
attune better in those moments 
in these types of situations 

930
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,100
from a baserunning, standpoint 
from a hitting standpoint unless

931
00:54:57,100 --> 00:55:01,400
you are actually doing it. 
And it's actually real which is 

932
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:06,400
why games are so so important 
for hitters and base runners and

933
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,900
pitchers and catchers and 
filters and all baseball 

934
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:10,400
players. 
It's so important for their 

935
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:13,200
development and the ability to 
be able to create those 

936
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,300
conversations comes from that 
and to I think another way of 

937
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:19,900
doing it, I'm I'm not opposed to
scrimmaging. 

938
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:23,900
I know that you know, coaches 
Old School coaches. 

939
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:26,700
That's what they're doing a lot.
It's just a scrimmage. 

940
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:30,600
I mean there's there's some 
value in utility to that but I 

941
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,100
think the the there's another 
way to approach it as well, like

942
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:37,400
let's say that's, you know, you 
you want to argue that, that's 

943
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:40,700
not the best way, what? 
Like guys need more specific 

944
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:42,600
work. 
Well, I think you just scale it 

945
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,400
down. 
Instead of it being like just a,

946
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,300
you know, a normal scrimmage. 
We're like it follows the normal

947
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,400
rules of the game and you just, 
you just set up those scenarios 

948
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,300
where those Those things that 
you want to work on our and it 

949
00:55:55,300 --> 00:56:01,000
it's just a slice of the game. 
Yeah and I for me I'm I'm kind 

950
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,900
of more of an advocate of that 
I'm not opposed to scrimmaging. 

951
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,300
I think it's good. 
But if you need specific work on

952
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:11,000
certain slices of the game where
you want to give guys a certain 

953
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,800
feel because again there's and 
by feel I mean like feel of a 

954
00:56:15,808 --> 00:56:18,300
certain game situation that 
they're going to have to problem

955
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:22,700
solve I think you should create 
those scenarios for them. 

956
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:25,200
And put them in front of them so
that they have to work through 

957
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,000
it because it comes to this 
concept. 

958
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,200
And this is something that 
Robert and I wanted to talk 

959
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,800
about in a, in a podcast is this
idea of knowledge of versus 

960
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,500
knowledge about you know, you 
can get in front of a white 

961
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:40,300
board and tell guys or watch 
film and tell guys, this is what

962
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:44,000
you need to do, but they're not 
like it's way different than 

963
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,800
being in there. 
And from you know, a personal 

964
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,000
point of view perspective that 
experience and that knowledge. 

965
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:54,400
That's knowledge of Purses 
knowledge about and we want to 

966
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,600
get we want guys to acquire 
knowledge of rather than 

967
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,600
knowledge about and so that's 
that's for me why it's important

968
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,000
to create those Snippets and 
those slices rather than just 

969
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,600
look at film and just talk to 
guys and tell them what to do. 

970
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:11,300
You want them to actually 
experience that? 

971
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,500
That's the idea of experiential 
learning by placing yourself in 

972
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:21,300
the scenario whether it be in an
actual game or if you're 

973
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:27,900
creating more of a small sided 
game, mmm type of scenario and 

974
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,600
you're repeating that scenario 
over and over again so that they

975
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:38,000
have to solve that problem over 
and over again in a way where 

976
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,100
you're able to get the right 
types of repetitions. 

977
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,900
Well I hope you guys enjoyed Is 
podcast with Caleb Abney. 

978
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,600
Pure listening along at home, 
the battery just died so we 

979
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,900
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Make sure to head over to 

980
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:55,900
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981
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:57,500
get our clips and all that sort 
of stuff. 

982
00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:01,400
Otherwise make sure to follow 
Caleb Abney at see, Abney 18, I 

983
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,400
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So if you're not already, make 

984
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,900
sure to follow Robert or myself 
on Twitter. 

985
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:13,000
You can find Robert at roberts10
far, ey 40 on the the 

986
00:58:13,008 --> 00:58:16,400
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follow line me and follow me at 

987
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:24,600
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988
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:29,400
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989
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,900
with the latest from finding the
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990
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:34,500
Hope you guys enjoyed today's 
episode. 

991
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:51,400
Hello. 
Can't see him. 

992
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,800
There's a little guy. 
He's a wanted to join me on the 

993
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,500
outro here so that's it. 
Yeah, you did. 

994
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:02,600
So we hope you enjoyed that 
episode with Caleb Abney and our

995
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,100
live commentary. 
Sorry for the abrupt ending. 

996
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:10,400
But here's your outro to have 
some sense of normalcy. 

997
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:13,900
We can get a if I can get a 
quiet moment here. 

998
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:21,700
Hello.