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Welcome back to finding the edge
podcast. 

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I'm Garrett volume, and today we
have on Chad Longworth. 

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This is Chad second time on the 
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already listened to his first 
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check that out. 
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to share this this conversation 
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We have this conversation back 
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some of the stuff we discussed 
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Dated we're talking about the 
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some of the stuff we said there 
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But regardless, today's episode 
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Chad, it's great to have you 
back. 

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Yeah, dude. 
Sell what, where's your? 

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Where's your head been at 
lately. 

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Like what have you been? 
Mulling over. 

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Did you see me the other day? 
What DM did you send me the 

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other day on Twitter like 
hornets. 

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Nests on Twitter lately? 
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sent you was about wearing a 
helmet and yeah, but but that 

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also is linked to you talking 
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sunglasses and in some ways I 
wish I wish you could get Jared 

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Fuller on here because he was 
talking about colors Robert 

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about colors. 
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Before but I haven't seen any 
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I really want to see the studies
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stuff about like you could, you 
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As far as what colors work best 
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testing, so yeah, those really 
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Riggins, year ago, on my 
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endless Rabbit Hole of 
perception, like, perception in 

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training and like, how athletes 
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Pitches lights. 
And my son, who's 8 played weeks

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ago, three weeks ago. 
Maybe I can't remember, but he 

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didn't, he didn't he like, swung
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never speak to mrs. 
A lot, but he swung and missed a

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lot that day. 
Is this first games of the year?

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He's a nervous, whatever, but I 
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mad. 
You struck out. 

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But why, why are you swinging 
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Like what do you think was going
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That I couldn't see the ball too
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And so I just kind of whatever 
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That's just an excuse, but then,
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about that like, since that day 
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tweet and I was thinking like we
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lot, like we hid inside a lot. 
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information inside in a cave. 
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games are similar to the light 
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the cage. 
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the day? 
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that light and then you play 
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Are you is your is the 
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did inside even valuable? 
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different, High Sky, no clouds 
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Are you processing information? 
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you train and so is it even 
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Train or how do you match the 
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environment you trained in in a 
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Where we sit me down the rabbit 
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how they build lenses to filter 
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And you know, contrast seem 
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That's hitting though, like to 
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rabbit holes of. 
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It's not think anybody that 
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least, it's not like you can't 
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one set of mechanics that ideal 
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The reason why you hit It's like
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reasons why you don't hit and 
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them and that, that that that 
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sunglasses. 
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found, really interesting. 
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going on with something that 
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like, you know, you've got this 
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There's I think there's a study 
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About. 
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with something over top of your 
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It's so like should hitters 
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top of their eyes like either 
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helmet. 
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helmet on because your field of 
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same field of vision? 
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a game you know, tracking ball 
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perception equation that Yeah, 
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that's where I'm trying to send 
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out of a book and I haven't 
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wanted to use it kind of deals 
with some of the things that you

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brought up with. 
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there it's like where to start 
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this is why again I'm going to 
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Dynamics. 
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has can can at least help guide 
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process. 
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One of the main main things is 
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Dynamic complex or dynamic. 
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systems or dynamically adaptive 
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input, doesn't necessarily mean 
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know, a plus b equals c. 
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there are other factors in there
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you don't always get see and and
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non-linearity to it. 
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remember that we're dealing with
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don't think people realize that 
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understand what, what that 
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It's just a buzzword and so I 
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that needs to get broken down or
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But what are your your thoughts 
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concept? 
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think that people grasp how 
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like in general like I think 
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over you know people just think 
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work you know. 
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the computer. 
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could type the numbers in and 
whatever simple oh but don't 

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get, don't get me started on. 
I've just started reading this 

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book. 
On the mind. and how people have

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equated it to a machine and how 
that that actually isn't Is that

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the best way to describe it? 
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machine. 
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You know, I was thinking I was 
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My daughter had cheer 
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weekend and I'm walking, I'm 
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We went to Disney World for two 
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I'm walking Force. 
That's what this world can walk.

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And I'm thinking as I'm walking,
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like the fact that you can not 
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Like what? 
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people take that for granted. 
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The fact that we can just not 
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Two legs is crazy. 
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stepping a pothole and not fall.
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and not fall but that and you're
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your body's not even, you're not
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You just adapting to whatever 
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take that for granted, you know,
that's another thing that people

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take for granted. 
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speaking of blogging and 
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talking about how funny she 
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she was kind of kind of like 
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Hmm. 
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Does he fall over? 
He's like no. 

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And why does it matter how? 
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over you know everybody walks 
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the first principle is don't 
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over. 
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Does matter how he walked? 
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walk like me and our bodies in 
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balance. 
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and that may sound geeky or 
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One of the simplest tasks that 
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learn to do at such a young age 
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things? 
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granted or don't really realize 
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understand things we all think 
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Oh it's just up here in my brain
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of the way that they think and 
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goes on and there's so much in 
our life that like our knowledge

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distributed cognition and how 
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actually embodied and it resides
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very much. 
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talked about this before, but 
it's like, I don't know how to 

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explain it. 
I just know how I can just show 

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you like, hey, let's just do 
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So it's this, this, it's more 
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versus explanatory or head 
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And So, within ecological 
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knowledge about versus knowledge
of And knowledge about being 

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head, knowledge and knowledge of
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Why do you think that, why do 
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That's interesting, but do you 
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conclusion that if you learn 
about mechanics or whatever, 

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like you're going to be able to 
do them? 

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Well, that's something that 
people forget. 

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It's there are thinking of 
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of the school system. 
Well, think of like, right that 

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if you think about the income, 
the culture that we've been 

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embedded in, right? 
Western culture, very 

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scientific. 
Everything is about in the head 

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if you can't scientifically 
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Then it kind of isn't real. 
So then we dismiss or even 

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though we forget that anecdotes 
are you know, still a Arm of 

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evidence. 
It might not be the strongest 

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form of evidence, but I think 
it's because of that we dismiss 

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very easily because it's not the
highest form of edit evidence 

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anecdotes and personal 
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And so in the, you know, based 
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of our education system is head 
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I say something to you and then 
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a textbook and then regurgitate 
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And it's way different like the 
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I mean, people think that 
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I'll give you an example. 
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Twitter, a little bit recently, 
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out quite yet, but I got to 
train a high school. 

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A homeschooled high school team 
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Every player all the coaches. 
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Everybody did what I wrote 
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floor. 
No one gave. 

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Anyone any explicit instructions
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fast. 
Try to hit the ball hard, not on

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the ground. 
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different tasks do that. 
Here's the offset machine. 

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Here's the to play timing. 
Here's the long bat. 

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Here's the short bat, here's the
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Here's some flips. 
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and no one told anyone how to do
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They were up like four runs a 
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their offensive production was 
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no one quote fingers. 
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podcast or not but Pope fingers 
learned. 

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Anything they learn anything 
because they don't need to learn

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anything I use it. 
I do they learn smart guy. 

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Didn't learn the way that that 
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stand. 
Yeah. 

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Right? 
And that's why I use my quote 

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fingers. 
They didn't learn anything. 

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I didn't teach them about Annex 
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I've got the data that shows how
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and then when they went to the 
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production and offensive stats 
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it's like, but but in my world 
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thinking about this the other 
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I get all's emails text messages
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somebody wanting less. 
Mmm. 

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And I usually just ask for video
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something about on the video. 
So it's saved me like an hour of

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my time that I could be spending
with my kids because that's kind

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of they just I guess one 
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Something. 
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something because that's all 
they're digging for it anyway. 

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But people that do come train 
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they come in thinking, they're 
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Learn something. 
I'm going to teach them 

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something biomechanic wise, you 
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improve. 
So what are you after? 

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What do you actually want to be 
a better player? 

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You want to learn something? 
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you I was going to make this 
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I use this guy a lot in my 
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guy. 
Doesn't strike me as a real 

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smart guy, that's why I use him,
but he might be, I don't know. 

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Yasiel Puig probably doesn't 
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probably couldn't but he he's a 
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You know, in his time people say
why it's not a baseball now? 

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It's like the dude was amazing 
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back and so yeah probably 
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like you don't have to be smart 
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Again, I'm generalizing Yasiel 
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licked his Bat did all this 
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Somebody that doesn't know 
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baseballs at the highest level 
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like your body May these, 
another one like Manny gets on, 

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you know, he goes to teacher 
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people now and he's like, you 
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what I did. 
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matter? 
Why does it matter how wide how 

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anyone can explain anything? 
You mashed 600 homers or 

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whatever. 
However when you hit as probably

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one of the Bree greatest, 
right-handed, hitters of all 

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time. 
Why does it matter that anyone? 

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Can I can explain what you did. 
You hit 600 homers? 

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On just oftentimes balls that no
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hit much less hit argue hit out.
It's like maybe you were just a 

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good at the task of, for 
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you know, who knows why, you 
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somebody who made it to pro 
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ball player with top-level 
athleticism skills, my dad was a

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division. 
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out with major Leaguer, Andre 
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in at, in Arizona, in the 
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to Athletes Performance, which 
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So train there in the offseason,
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that I could do that. 
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But I did, but I couldn't, I 
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well, and they could and, you 
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lack of knowledge. 
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the swing or hitting or whatever
and it's like, it wasn't that at

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all, you know, it wasn't that at
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It was fact that when the 
picture got on the mound and he 

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was throwing me bitches just 
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had the skills, I had the tools,
I had the bat speed, there were 

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some physical things that I know
now that I would have Oregon 

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would have tried to improve on, 
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Rabbit Hole of, like, why? 
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because but I don't think we 
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just kind of something like some
limitations. 

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I had in my low back in my hips 
that I couldn't get to certain 

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balls that I if I would have 
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maybe not different. 
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maybe a little more, maybe a 
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side than the tight mover side, 
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think that's why I didn't pull 
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This, my hips were so locked up 
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I'm a right-handed hitter that 
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physically. 
So, you know, it wasn't my lack 

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of knowledge, like I thought it 
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no knowledge again, clearly, he 
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couldn't even explain what he 
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I said this before on podcast. 
If you gave Major Leaguers truth

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serum, you gave them. 
You seen Ant-Man and wasp? 

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Truth serum? 
You can truth serum and ask 

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them, like, what, how do they 
hit the ball? 

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They would all say, I have. 
No, just kind of get up there 

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and get in my stance. 
Try to be on time and for some 

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how I swing where the ball is. 
All that block. 

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I don't know how, I don't know 
how I had Blake treinen to do 

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steamer, but I do. 
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personally have had that 
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You're like I don't know how I 
hit that ball like that. 

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Had some I saw Uncle Wicked 
movement at the end of just I 

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hit it, you know, or like I was 
I was thinking fastball and I 

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hit the curveball Like, I know 
I've done it, I've experienced 

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it. 
Yeah and that's that's the thing

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of to me, I think it can be 
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concept of flow. like when 
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you're fully immersed, in what 
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all sense of time, you lose 
sense of self, you become one 

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with the environment. 
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state that you're in. 
You're not it's not a highly 

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cognitive intellectual State. 
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where, for example, why certain 
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others, because they might not 
know, all the most technical 

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information, but to keep it 
really simple for the athletes 

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that are able to connect with 
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there. 
To me, like an ecological 

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approach, kind of helps explain 
this, their perceptually attuned

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to the athlete, to the 
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the environment. 
There's an energy exchange 

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that's going on there and 
they're able to be sensitive to 

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that and are able to help nudge 
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environment to help the athlete 
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And that doesn't always mean 
giving them right. 

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Something mechanical or it does 
well because they, you know, 

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going back to what you're 
talking about the truth serum. 

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Well when you talk to those 
guys, they'll tell you stuff as 

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far as how they hit whatever 
like you talk to Albert, Pujols 

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or Alex Rodriguez, will tell you
they swing down to the ball. 

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Even Mike Trout says all this, 
why would you ask? 

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Why do they say this stuff when 
they don't do it? 

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Because that's what coaches, 
their coaches have told them? 

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That's what they do. 
And that's how they hit really 

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well. 
Like yep. 

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So charging throwing, you know, 
it's the it's the burnt Nikolai 

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Bernstein the repetition of 
outcome and not the rib dish. 

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Of movement or repetition 
repetition. 

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It's it's like they they pulled 
themselves enough over and over 

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and over again, that they felt 
this way when they got the 

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outcome they wanted. 
So it had to be because they 

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felt this way and it's like, nah
I mean I know you felt that way 

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and I'm not, I will never tell 
you you're wrong because you're 

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not wrong. 
That's how you failed a few 

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hundred percent felt that way, 
but not everybody should. 

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Should try to feel that way 
because that may not give you 

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the repetition of outcome, 
you're looking for. 

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You got a hit, you got to hit 
rocket line drives like you have

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to you're going to play the game
for. 

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As long as you can play it, you 
have to hit rocket line drives. 

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You have to get in fastball 
counts and hit fast balls for a 

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rocket line drives. 
That sometimes go over the 

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fence, sometimes they fall for 
doubles, sometimes they're 

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rocketed through the six hole. 
Sometimes they're hit, ask 

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somebody but you got hit a bunch
of them. 

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However you feel doing that. 
You're free to develop, you 

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know, clearly a rod and proud. 
All these guys say these things.

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They're not wrong. 
That's how they feel. 

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That's how they got the outfit 
and I think, no, I talked to 

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Fred laters about this. 
You know, some guys need to feel

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up, some guys need to feel down.
Like you need to feel all the 

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ways to get the outcome. 
You're it's about the outcome, 

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like it's about the batted ball 
outcome. 

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No. 
Caleb says that a lot like why 

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don't we just not always start 
at the batted ball outcome and 

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work back. 
It gives you the outcome. 

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Well, we also use did what every
on that. 

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Not everybody agrees on that but
that's their replies in agree. 

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On what the principles are. 
Right. 

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We can't agree that swinging the
back fast. 

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It's a good thing because 
whatever you know I kind of been

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harping on that lately on 
Twitter's like come on like 

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there's bad speed is tremendous 
Advantage. 

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If you're going to stand out in 
front of Scouts and evaluators 

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you want to stand out like a 
sore thumb, hey massive bat 

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speed. 
But I think it's also Lord 

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rattling. 
Okay so this was might be a good

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good back and forth. 
I'm not I'm not saying that I'm 

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against bat speed, but I would 
say I'd prize contact ability 

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first and then bat speed because
I can develop bat speed much 

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easier. 
It's much more of a linear 

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progression to develop at speed 
than it is to develop contact 

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ability. yeah, so for sure 
because That's pretty good. 

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Bat speed is going to take so 
long to develop that along the 

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way like basketball skills or 
something that You should if the

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whole picture is back speed then
like back to ball skills, along 

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the way should be the, I'm gonna
use my quote fingers, should be 

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the focus because we're it's a 
given like we're trying to hit 

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all the research. 
All the studies that have been 

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reviewed done on back on way to 
bats and bat speed like 100 150 

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swings is you and I have talked 
about this because like we're 

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trying to hit back number with a
different Batman of way to Bath 

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and a lot of different ways and 
a lot of different paths. 

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We're just trying to hit that 
number and within that number, 

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you know, I've got the Lefty 
swag inch and a half diameter 

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way to bath. 
Now that we hit plyos with So 

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that's attached challenge that 
we're developing back to ball 

450
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,700
skills. 
You know, we're doing to Plate 

451
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,000
offset machine. 
Fastball, we did three play 

452
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,300
yesterday with smaller spacing 
between the plates and witching 

453
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:31,800
way more. 
Often that was with the axe bat,

454
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,400
long Matt short bat set, which 
is back to ball skills, but it's

455
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,100
also way too bad. 
We're trying to hit that bat 

456
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:42,300
speed number for training. 
These things aren't like done 

457
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,300
Standalone. 
Like they aren't done. 

458
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:48,500
That's be, we do some raw bat 
speed stuff where we're not 

459
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,500
hitting a ball but like we're 
not just going to do that. 

460
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:55,000
Like, there's always going to be
some passion talent and people 

461
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,800
people on Twitter say, you know,
why is he guys that have massive

462
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,100
fast speed? 
The can't hit. 

463
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,200
Well, yeah, of course. 
That's true too. 

464
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,300
You know, if you just hit, if 
you just train, raw, bat speed. 

465
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:09,700
And all you ever do is just kind
of like, Daddy hack raw bat 

466
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,700
speed off the tee. 
Then, of course your basketball 

467
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:18,500
skills are not going to be very 
Duh, of course not but don't 

468
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:22,000
generalize everybody that that 
has to train for bat speed has a

469
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,500
bat speed. 
Grand picture to just you know 

470
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:29,200
taking daddy hacks off the tee 
and just chasing bats. 

471
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,400
Be like, that's not what we're 
doing. 

472
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Nope, maybe I could paint that 
picture bet. 

473
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:37,800
Well, and that's that. 
I think is the point like of the

474
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,300
messaging in the same way that 
for the longest time with 

475
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:45,200
Driveline on V Lo it was like, 
okay everybody's chasing. 

476
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Well actually this is a better 
analogy weight room. 

477
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:48,800
You got to get in the weight 
room. 

478
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:51,000
You're really strong great. 
Yeah. 

479
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,000
And then I have kids that and I 
know that I've guys who have 

480
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000
gotten so good in the weight 
room that they're not, they're 

481
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,500
not the best player on the field
anymore because we Sold them. 

482
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,900
I'm going to be like, I'm going 
to put it bluntly. 

483
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,700
I guess, we sold them this lie. 
That if you get really strong in

484
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,800
the weight room, you will be 
better on the field. 

485
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,400
So then they spent all this 
time, get really good at the 

486
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,300
weight room and they say, they 
stopped focusing as much on the 

487
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:19,100
field and then and then it and 
then they ended up not playing 

488
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:20,700
as much and now they're 
powerlifters. 

489
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,900
It's like great man, like you up
but that wasn't why you went 

490
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,600
into the weight room. 
And so, I guess that's kind of 

491
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,300
the same thing with with a lot 
of these different things of 

492
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:31,800
going. 
What you said, first principles 

493
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,800
of agreeing on, what is the 
outcome that we're looking for? 

494
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,200
And so when you go back to and 
you break it down because I feel

495
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,200
like ecological, an ecological 
approach really helps you hone 

496
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,900
in because like what some of its
basic fundamentals is 

497
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:47,300
understanding the problem. 
And we can understand the 

498
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:49,600
problem, then you can then you 
can like you said before you 

499
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,500
just engine reverse, you reverse
engineer it. 

500
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:57,100
And so for example, okay let's 
just say, hit the ball really 

501
00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:01,600
hard on a line, you know, with 
and see this is it goes back to 

502
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,900
messaging, right? 
And some of it is When, when we 

503
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:08,900
have to understand the context 
in which the messaging occurred,

504
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:10,300
right? 
Hit the ball in the air. 

505
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,700
Right. 
And then the flyball Revolution.

506
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:17,600
Well that was in the context of 
everybody hitting ground balls 

507
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,200
when it's not like when I say no
wind drives you know what 

508
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,100
everybody's been saying that 
forever like that that is not 

509
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,500
new and and that's where in some
levels. 

510
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:34,500
It's kind of just really strange
in the sense of How is it that 

511
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,400
we got away from something that 
was super, super fundamental 

512
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:41,700
forever ago. 
I've just hit hard line drives 

513
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,500
like everybody used to agree on 
that. 

514
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,800
You know how it's like, because 
of flyball Revolution backside 

515
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,200
ground balls, but it like that. 
Also happened in the context of 

516
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:53,300
guys pulling the ball in the air
or whatever and hitting like 

517
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:56,300
weak stuff. 
But then it's so that's where 

518
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:58,300
though if you start breaking 
down. 

519
00:31:58,300 --> 00:31:59,800
Okay, that's the outcome we 
want. 

520
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,200
All right well, what's baked 
into that premise? 

521
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:07,500
You have to hit Ball and then 
but to me, not when you start 

522
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,700
thinking about things from an 
ecological approach, will really

523
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,800
what is it that you want 
actually more so than just hit 

524
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,400
the ball hard on a line? 
Well, actually, you want to 

525
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,300
reach base /. 
You want to score runs. 

526
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:20,000
So how do you score runs? 
Because that's really the 

527
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,400
problem that you're trying to 
solve. 

528
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:25,700
And to me, that's the only, you 
know, that's, that's the thing I

529
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:27,800
said, yesterday, we were talking
about the coaches. 

530
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,700
Yesterday, I said, you know, at 
the end of the day, you build a 

531
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:34,100
team, which is whoever trains Me
individually. 

532
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:38,400
Whoever puts in individual time,
Should be your goal. 

533
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:40,300
Like how can I best help the 
team? 

534
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:44,500
How can I best produce the runs 
that are going to help the team?

535
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:46,400
Because that's like at the end 
of the day, the only thing that 

536
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,300
matters like how many runs did 
you score? 

537
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,400
You know, if we had done all 
this training with this high 

538
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,300
school team and they had scored 
the exact same amount of runs 

539
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:59,200
that it would last year, had 
been like, I don't need help at 

540
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,500
all. 
We did nothing, you know. 

541
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,200
Well yeah, Chad taking the other
side of this like I could have 

542
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,800
focused all my time on Making 
every player swing the bat a 

543
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,700
particular way, right? 
And if I had achieved that then 

544
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:17,100
somebody could say, well, they 
didn't improve their own 

545
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,200
Productions. 
Like yeah, well, we weren't 

546
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,600
working on that. 
We were working on their swing 

547
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,100
and that'll come. 
The runs will come later. 

548
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,900
Like that's kind of the things 
that get thrown around in 

549
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,500
baseball, right? 
We had to make their swing good 

550
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,100
first. 
And then, the runs would come. 

551
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:36,200
but there are seasons over and 
they did they did win a lot of 

552
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,400
games and so like I don't have 
time for later, you know, and I 

553
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:46,800
think that's like the disconnect
between The perception of what I

554
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,400
do individual development 
because yes, I trained 

555
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,100
individual players but I always 
want them to go to their teams 

556
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,600
and be valuable commodities for 
their teeth. 

557
00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:01,100
We don't understand this concept
at the highest level in Major 

558
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:04,800
League Baseball for minor league
players like Lisa to Kyle talked

559
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,199
about like run offices and orgs 
and things like we don't don't 

560
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:14,800
even really know how to develop 
valuable assets for but we've 

561
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,199
talked to me mad, but I've know 
I've talked about this before 

562
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:22,000
but like How can you not invest 
a thousand dollars into a minor 

563
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,400
league player and praying him 
in? 

564
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,300
Then you have nothing to lose 
train him to become a million 

565
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:30,600
dollar asset. 
Like that's the greatest gift in

566
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:36,300
business, but we don't do this. 
Actually runs is again run. 

567
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,699
Producers is only thing matters.
Be the score them and drive them

568
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:41,600
in the number one correlation 
between. 

569
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,699
Well, Bubba run production. 
Everything on the planet is exit

570
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:50,100
velocity. 
It's so obviously top-end exit 

571
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:54,300
velocity but also like average 
eggs velocity like can't be 

572
00:34:54,300 --> 00:35:00,300
happy and 108 in your average is
72, you know, you just chasing 

573
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,100
top in numbers. 
Like, if you're copying this 

574
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:07,900
108, your average is like 98. 
Then you're probably producing a

575
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:10,200
ton of runs your offensive. 
Number your batting average, 

576
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,100
probably good, you know, your 
Euro beep, he's probably good, 

577
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,600
you know, whatever. 
Because you, if you're scoring, 

578
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:18,700
The ball up that much. 
You're probably making good 

579
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:20,400
swing decision. 
Probably not swinging it. 

580
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:23,800
A lot of bad pitches. 
Bad pitches being quote fingers 

581
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,100
is like not not optimal pitches.
Maybe a better word, you know, 

582
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:31,000
it just in counts where you 
could get a better pitch, I 

583
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,100
don't know. 
Well, that's where like for 

584
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:38,500
example the school. 
Well for example, any Rosario 

585
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,700
everybody used to knock on him 
about oh his Chase is too high 

586
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:45,800
and blah blah blah this and that
and you go look at his stats, he

587
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,200
like leads the team. 
In RBIs, ok. 

588
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:55,800
So what that has robbed everage 
is not is like I don't know, 272

589
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,400
or 260 to 280. 
So what the dude drives in the 

590
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,300
most runs on the team or he has 
like, I don't know, is like 90 

591
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,700
to 100 RBIs. 
I would say that you're really 

592
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,600
productive player. 
Because those are the things 

593
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,400
that matter RBIs and runs and 
that's what this guy is doing 

594
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,900
and then to you, actually 
watching a game. 

595
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:20,500
Yeah, he'll Chase pitches out of
the Zone, but now, especially 

596
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:22,300
more now. 
But I think it was in the, maybe

597
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,200
the past couple of years. 
He's starting to hit those 

598
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,900
pitches even though they're out 
of their Zone. 

599
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,200
I saw him hit a fastball at 
like, 96. 

600
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,400
That was like, younger three 
balls off the plate. 

601
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:36,200
Like, all right on taku. 
I was going to make I was going 

602
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,500
to make this point a minute ago,
I was in a Twitter discussion 

603
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:46,400
about self toss or self bounce 
or like Ryder, left hand toss 

604
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,600
something. 
And somebody said well I don't 

605
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,500
like that because it it a lot of
times here's get on their front 

606
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,900
foot and I'm like oh why is that
bad? 

607
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,000
Well, you know, we don't want 
them to Lunge at it like but 

608
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,600
they're going to lunch at it. 
No matter what we do though. 

609
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,600
Wouldn't it be of benefit to 
like have hit a ball lunging at 

610
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,000
it? 
Like tried to hit a ball hard 

611
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,700
lunging at it like once once or 
twice. 

612
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,700
Again, I don't know if we ever 
will be honest. 

613
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,800
I don't know if we ever in my 
lifetime. 

614
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,700
I'm getting ready to be 39. 
It like a bunk. 

615
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,100
I mean, I probably got I'm 
halfway done, you know, on 

616
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:36,600
average I'm halfway there. 
In my next half do we do we do 

617
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,500
we escape and mechanics first 
ideal mechanics first approach 

618
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:45,200
to hitting. 
I'm not sure, I don't know. 

619
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:51,600
I like it'll taste good but 
Mystic right in what you told, 

620
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,600
Caleb. 
Right. 

621
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,000
You got to go somewhere where 
you can prove that it works and 

622
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,700
I think that is the most 
difficult thing is to convince 

623
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,900
people who have already because 
it like this. 

624
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:06,000
What they've learned and what 
other people create each already

625
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,600
in my draft about Caleb's 
Improvement in their offensive 

626
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,600
number one my grass. 
Yeah, I mean that's where again 

627
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:18,700
this goes back to its I think 
people also need to move beyond 

628
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:21,000
the idea of mechanics because 
it's actually more forms and 

629
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,100
styles, right? 
So for the whole thing of like 

630
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,800
not be out on your front foot. 
Well, that's not mechanically 

631
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,700
driven that's like a style 
thing, right? 

632
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:34,000
And like because people are what
they Is on average. 

633
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,900
Is that people who are out on 
their front foot, roll balls, 

634
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:39,400
over hit weak ground balls, all 
this sort of stuff, okay? 

635
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:45,500
But then when I was coming up 
and and playing in like high 

636
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:49,700
school, there's this one kid who
all he would do is just drift 

637
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:54,300
forward and just absolutely Mash
balls and it's like you're doing

638
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:56,600
it wrong, you're doing it wrong 
but he's got there hitting 

639
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,500
doubles and just absolutely just
mashing the base, right? 

640
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,900
And so is it really? 
Yeah. 

641
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:03,600
Really doing it wrong in our 
trip. 

642
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:05,900
Yeah. 
Our good friend. 

643
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:11,800
Nick down at Georgia Tech. 
I watch Kevin pirata hit and I 

644
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:17,000
wonder if we're still in the 
world in professional baseball. 

645
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:19,800
In prod is probably going to go 
the top 10. 

646
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:23,500
Well, I mean, if you look at the
war thing that that that 

647
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:25,400
Driveline put out, best part of 
the country. 

648
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:27,200
Yep. 
He's the best player in the 

649
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,700
country. 
I'm wondering though, if we're 

650
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:34,300
still in the world and something
tells me that if he goes to the 

651
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:41,100
wrong place, that we probably 
are, where somebody will hail 

652
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:45,200
him and Beyond him, that that 
won't work at this level, you 

653
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,600
know. 
Yeah, somebody your problem. 

654
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,400
You're probably old enough to 
remember, Khalil green played at

655
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:57,200
Clemson, you know, he hit with 
his feet together like started 

656
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,900
with his feet together. 
Hmm. 

657
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,400
And mash, Like one player the 
year like mash and I remember it

658
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,600
was my senior year of high 
school, you know, I remember 

659
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,700
watching Clemson games and the 
announcers being like, you know,

660
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,100
that's not going to work at the 
next level. 

661
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:16,300
You know, that he's going to 
have to make changes yada. 

662
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:21,900
Yada yada yada yada and it's but
but why, like, why do you feel 

663
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,300
that way? 
You know, I hope they leave, you

664
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:27,800
know, brought his got this, this
setup where the bat, the end of 

665
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,600
the baths. 
Like, down next to his right, 

666
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,800
paw Pocket in his front, elbows 
almost in front of his face. 

667
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,500
He's feeder narrow, but then he 
kind of flows into some Rhythm 

668
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,000
and hits the barrel obviously 
all the time and you know he 

669
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,000
hits for a bra. 
Hi whoa he's got a ton of 

670
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,800
homers, he's catch but who is 
somebody going to steal? 

671
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,600
Tell him in 2022 and I think 
about this a lot. 

672
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,600
You know that that's that won't 
work here. 

673
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,700
That won't work at this level. 
You're going to have to make the

674
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:01,000
X y&z adjustment. 
It's like man. 

675
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,900
Is that real? 
Is that true? 

676
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:05,400
Like I don't know that that's 
true. 

677
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:09,300
Maybe he'll go to a Nord that 
won't do that because there are 

678
00:41:09,308 --> 00:41:12,800
certainly those out there now 
versus when I play and all the 

679
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,800
orders were like that, Darrell 
Ward's. 

680
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:23,000
Now that Will let him go and let
him do him, if he, you know, and

681
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,100
support him in that. 
You know, I think a lot of what 

682
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:31,900
these unique Styles. 
I think they fail in some ways 

683
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:37,000
because people in steel 
self-doubt in them, you no doubt

684
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,400
in them. 
For the first time they start 

685
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,500
doubting themselves, they start 
doubting like what they're 

686
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:44,800
doing. 
It's not the style per se, but 

687
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,200
it's like the self-doubt that 
they Have how been maybe the 

688
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,700
because he's gonna hit the 
skids, he's gonna struggle, he's

689
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:53,600
going to slump. 
Obviously. 

690
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,100
That's what what happened to 
probe. 

691
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:57,800
All you teachers, better stuff. 
Better. 

692
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:02,300
When he hits the skids, does he 
is that self-doubt start 

693
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:03,800
turning? 
Maybe they're right. 

694
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,800
Maybe my style won't work. 
Maybe I do need to change and he

695
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:15,800
starts to change and I don't 
know but I would No. 

696
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:22,100
I mean there's there's an 
element of I thought this was 

697
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:27,100
very pernicious or there's 
something off about this. 

698
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,300
I don't think it's necessarily 
bad especially from an 

699
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:34,600
ecological perspective of 
failure. 

700
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:38,300
Forces us to change in find a 
more functional fit with our 

701
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:41,200
environment. 
But a lot of coaches intuitively

702
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,200
understand, hey, when guys 
failed then they'll actually 

703
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,500
listen to me. 
But if they succeed then then 

704
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:49,200
they're going to tell me off and
so they use it as a way of like,

705
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,900
well I hope they fail. 
So then they can, then they can 

706
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:55,600
then I can basically a knock 
your inundate them or brainwash 

707
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,400
them into believing my stuff. 
And then it's it's like will 

708
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,400
write it hurt my important, 
which makes me feel good, you 

709
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,500
know, as the code writing it to 
make my self important. 

710
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,600
Hmm, you're not well and then 
your whole job is there to help 

711
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,900
the athlete. 
And so to me it's like what is 

712
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:18,200
actually best and most 
beneficial and if I am bringing 

713
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,700
my preconceived notions to it, 
then what? 

714
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:24,400
I might give them might not be 
optimal because like I don't 

715
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,600
always know what's right? 
But that's where to me. 

716
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,800
If you go with Annie A logical 
approach. 

717
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,800
It's not about me. 
It's not about me having the 

718
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,200
right answer. 
It's about me, providing a path 

719
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,600
or a process forward by which we
can find the right answer for 

720
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,200
you. 
And to me that's what makes an 

721
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,700
ecological approach. 
So, powerful is that it really 

722
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:46,400
comes down to what works best 
for you. 

723
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,600
We're going to search and find 
out. 

724
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,700
You're going to move 
differently. 

725
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:53,000
We're going to try all these 
different things, you know, 

726
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,400
whether it's a teacher man 
thing. 

727
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,900
Whether it's said, I'm trying to
even think who else is, is Big 

728
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:01,200
name as far as you know, to 
expiry thing or whatever like 

729
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:04,100
we're going to we're going to 
try all these different things 

730
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:05,700
that all these different people 
have put out there. 

731
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,900
And or just maybe maybe 
something different like 

732
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:13,200
whatever connects with that 
player, you know? 

733
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,100
I'm really I really dislike 
Chuck it. 

734
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,700
I really think that's that's not
a good use of time, but if that 

735
00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:23,100
guy, if that's what helps an 
athlete and yeah, great. 

736
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:25,700
But you also have to understand 
the limitation of that like 

737
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:30,100
they're like we've talked about 
this on with me and Robert Fry 

738
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:35,100
of how and to with Caleb, this 
idea of the Hawthorne effect, 

739
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:39,100
we're just simple. 
LT may help you in the short 

740
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:42,700
term but eventually your 
production just goes back to 

741
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:47,000
Baseline and then so with the 
with the Hawthorne experiment 

742
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,800
they decrease the light or 
something and then the 

743
00:44:49,808 --> 00:44:53,000
production went up in the 
factory and then they did a 

744
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,200
proper study and they went back 
and they they did the reverse 

745
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,900
they raise the light and the 
production went up and they're 

746
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:04,200
like Okay, so this is 
interesting, so it's just more 

747
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,200
the fact that we change the 
environment. 

748
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:09,000
And then people got more 
productive. 

749
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:11,400
I mean, when you think about it,
when somebody goes to a new 

750
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,400
organization, why is it that 
they sometimes tend to perform 

751
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,400
better when you change the 
environment. 

752
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:22,400
And so, it's just little things 
like that of like, yeah, like 

753
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,300
because right? 
Well, if you think about it from

754
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,300
a strength and conditioning 
perspective, right? 

755
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:30,200
You do the same workout, it's 
all the all the time, eventually

756
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:32,200
you're going to get diminishing 
returns and you're not going to 

757
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,800
get any returns and you might 
even regress from doing the same

758
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,500
thing over and over again. 
And the from the skill side of 

759
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:45,300
things, the exact same thing is 
true because so, one of the 

760
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:47,200
things from an ecological 
perspective, Perspective. 

761
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,200
One of the viewpoints is and 
principles is skill. 

762
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,300
Adaptation. 
A'ight. 

763
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:56,700
So now we view the system as an 
Adaptive system that based upon 

764
00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:59,700
what we do in adapts to what 
we're doing in the most easiest 

765
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:01,700
way for, I think for a lot of 
coaches, because strength and 

766
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:04,400
conditioning has been out there 
for a lot longer within the 

767
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,700
baseball coaching world and 
people understand it better. 

768
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,000
Well, adaptation is adaptation 
in the principles work. 

769
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,700
The same, right? 
You apply a novel stressor to 

770
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:17,900
the system and it adapts the 
same thing is true when it comes

771
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:28,000
to skill development, Now for 
sure it's also a bit frustrating

772
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:34,200
though for people and players 
for the constant need of 

773
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,700
something new. 
It's like yeah there's some 

774
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:40,700
acceptance of you have to accept
that. 

775
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:45,300
Some of this is just going to be
necessarily boring because I 

776
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:48,000
think an achievement and I think
Kyle's talked about that a 

777
00:46:48,008 --> 00:46:50,100
little bit. 
It's like they're just 

778
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:52,200
necessarily born. 
Piece that you're going to have 

779
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,300
to be mentally, tough enough 
tough being micro fingers, tough

780
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:00,800
enough to deal. 
Do the boring stuff because we 

781
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,600
constantly can't constantly like
iterate. 

782
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,100
Make up new challenges just to 
keep you engaged every two 

783
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:14,000
weeks, you know, or every week. 
It's so yeah for sure, I get 

784
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,400
that but it's also like You're 
not going to make it if it has 

785
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,500
to be new all the time. 
Like there's some acceptance of 

786
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:25,700
I'm just going to do the boring 
stuff because boring stuff is 

787
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:30,900
what's going to get me. 
Get my skills and get me where 

788
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:36,800
I'm going and we haven't, we, we
do different things. 

789
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,900
I would say, different things 
with hitters, meaning we put in,

790
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:48,900
we we, we do to Plate machine. 
We alternate between a high high

791
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:52,300
high machine, in a low machine, 
on the low machine. 

792
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:56,500
We try to turn up the spin, so 
it's bladder, even maybe giving 

793
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:58,700
them the perception that is 
rising a bit. 

794
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:01,800
That's the kind of balance out 
like hitting a lot of breaking 

795
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,900
balls because if you hit a lot 
of breaking balls, you swing up 

796
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:07,300
a lot. 
So we balance we go high or low 

797
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:13,300
machine offset, right? 
Or left side, two plates and we 

798
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:18,800
go to plates we put them. 24 to 
36 inches apart. 

799
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:22,600
If we go three plates, we put 
them like 12 to 18 inches apart 

800
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:27,700
and switch them every swing. 
I mean, but we're doing the same

801
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,700
thing. 
Roughly, we're in the cage, 

802
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:36,000
we're working on fastball timing
within these three baths. 

803
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,900
That's not necessarily new. 
I don't know if you agree with 

804
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:46,300
that or not, but like, no, but I
think we like a challenge. 

805
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:50,100
What was that? 
That's what novelty is, right? 

806
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:53,800
So like when I go back to like, 
what Eric cressey said, a long 

807
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,100
time ago when it came to 
training? 

808
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,500
Well, all we have to do is 
change one, small thing with the

809
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:02,700
program, and we'll get new 
adaptations out of it. 

810
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:04,900
Whether it's you change, the, 
exercise selection, but you 

811
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:07,900
could change something as small 
as this sets and Reps, you could

812
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:11,400
change something as small as the
load and you're going to see a 

813
00:49:11,408 --> 00:49:14,400
new adaptation. 
And so, that's where all you 

814
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,300
have to do is tweak one little 
thing and you can Pull more out 

815
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:22,000
of it. 
But to me the this is where the 

816
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,400
ecological Dynamics rabbit. 
Hole. 

817
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:29,200
Gets way more, I guess you get 
way more down the rabbit hole is

818
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:33,900
To me there is a process. 
So exploration is part of 

819
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,800
learning and this is something 
that we've always done naturally

820
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,400
from as kids. 
And and one of the things to 

821
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,100
with that is when you play a 
game and this is something that 

822
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:45,600
I think Ryan Parker is talk to, 
or at least kind of got me 

823
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:51,000
thinking about way back when of,
like, video game design how much

824
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,300
replayability does a game have 
and how much time will a person 

825
00:49:56,300 --> 00:50:01,100
spend playing the same game. 
You know, it's a, it's a back to

826
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:06,000
your kind of boring part, I 
guess, yes, but also wonder if 

827
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,100
it's, if it's more, if it's more
game-like, will people naturally

828
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:10,900
just play it? 
Like his? 

829
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:14,800
When I've talked to different 
people about like how they got 

830
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,500
good, well, they just played 
different types of games that 

831
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:20,600
were baseball. 
Like, whether it was baseball 

832
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:26,100
itself or you know, Backyard, 
Baseball, Wiffle, ball different

833
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:30,100
sorts of games with other people
of Big like just playing these 

834
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:32,600
different games, you learn 
different skills, you learn how 

835
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,200
to again, be fully immersed, in 
a moment pressure. 

836
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:41,200
All these sorts of other things 
that you don't get necessarily 

837
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,400
when you're just hitting hitting
hitting like you know overhand 

838
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,800
BP or you know about traditional
BP, I think is the word I was 

839
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,400
searching for there and so to me
that's that's weird. 

840
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:56,900
Right. 
Especially with young people, 

841
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:59,300
that is just and I think you 
probably fall in the same 

842
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:04,900
category as I do is I am not the
best at gamifying. 

843
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,600
Yeah they are. 
We're I like Falls somebody like

844
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,700
David Morgan who's really good 
and has really good at is about 

845
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:16,900
like, gamifying development 
because I'm like you, I'm like 

846
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:23,000
in the weeds guy of like the 
task convocation and like we're 

847
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,600
gonna hit this but like Grandpa 
points on it. 

848
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,200
We're not going to like play 
game with it. 

849
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,000
We're just going to hit it to 
try to hit it, you know, just 

850
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,000
try to achieve the challenge and
that's boring to a lot of people

851
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,500
in there. 
Again, they're not going to keep

852
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:38,000
doing it. 
It's like the video game piece, 

853
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:41,200
like if the game is Just tedious
monotonous, they're just not 

854
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,800
going to continue playing with 
continuing to play it and 

855
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,200
continuing to chase. 
It is like the most important 

856
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,900
thing you have to be curious 
enough to continue to chase it. 

857
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:56,000
That matters more than anything.
Yeah, absolutely. 

858
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,200
Um okay. 
So I wanted to transition just a

859
00:51:59,207 --> 00:52:04,400
little bit and So I know you've 
been looking into ecological 

860
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,500
Dynamics because you've been 
posting a lot of really good 

861
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,000
infographics. 
What what has been that 

862
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,500
experience? 
Like for you going down that, 

863
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,300
that rabbit hole? 
What have you learned? 

864
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,000
What have? 
So some of us, like what have 

865
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,400
you learned and what what, what 
has been challenging or maybe? 

866
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,800
You know, when I talked with 
some other people they're like I

867
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,800
don't know if I'm all the way 
bought in on on some of this 

868
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,900
stuff so if like, if there's 
certain things that you're not 

869
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,000
all the way bought in on What 
are those things that are 

870
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,600
Hang-Ups or challenges about 
some of the some of the stuff 

871
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,700
that you have read about 
ecological Dynamics? 

872
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:48,200
You. 
And I talked about this on my 

873
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,700
podcast a little bit, like this 
is not new in any bright. 

874
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,100
Yes, these things. 
These interactions are not new. 

875
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:01,700
This is not a new thing. 
These things throughout the 

876
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:05,400
years, have just happened 
organically and I think I said 

877
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,300
this on my podcast, like I see 
part of my position now as like 

878
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:14,900
restoring things. 
Ecologically to the way they 

879
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:17,700
used to be not. 
Today, we have better 

880
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:20,500
information, we have better 
tools, we have more bunny tools.

881
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:25,200
Everything about today is better
except for the fact that 

882
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:31,300
somewhere along the way we lost.
like the ecological interaction,

883
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:37,300
the natural interaction, that 
young people had with baseball 

884
00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:46,600
softball whatever and so I think
the things that I post I want 

885
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:53,100
people to understand that stop 
stop paying or stop searching 

886
00:53:53,100 --> 00:54:00,300
for one perfect way to do this, 
because there are a lot of ways.

887
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:03,100
There are a lot of and interact 
in ways to do this. 

888
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:06,700
The game is hard, the game is 
humbling and it always has been 

889
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,300
that there's baseball, has 
baseball or softball, it hasn't 

890
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:14,800
changed at all. 
You know, we talk about data and

891
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,900
Analytics. 
The ladies are ruining the game,

892
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:18,900
and yada yada yada. 
And all this other stuff is, 

893
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:21,600
like, go back to hitting the 
hitting hard line. 

894
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,300
Drives is still the best thing 
to do. 

895
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,100
Like if you can figure out how 
to hit a hard line drives at 

896
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:30,200
abundance of different ways, 
that's good. 

897
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,700
The problem is, today, somewhere
along the line coach has stepped

898
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:38,400
in. 
Well, I know how to help you 

899
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,300
best do this. 
Like, you don't like that moment

900
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:45,600
in Moneyball, we're in the movie
where Brad up. 

901
00:54:45,607 --> 00:54:48,300
It tells the Scout like you 
think, you know, but you don't 

902
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:53,100
like the coach this step since 
like I know the perfect style 

903
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:58,000
for you to hit whatever. 
So you don't, you know, because 

904
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,500
whether or not whether or not 
you agree with the principles 

905
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:04,000
Beck, logical, Dynamics or 
whatever. 

906
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,200
And I'm certainly not the most 
educated person on this. 

907
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,400
I'm constantly learning, but the
simple fact of the matter is, 

908
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,100
whether you agree in principle 
or not, it's always real quick. 

909
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,000
It's all it's happening. 
With Caleb said that, on my 

910
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,900
podcast, self-organization is 
happening whether you agree with

911
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:22,900
it or not. 
Mmm, you know, you're either 

912
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:26,300
yourself a task constraint or 
you're trying to stay out of the

913
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:29,300
way and not being an additional 
task, constraint on a player 

914
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:31,800
like an informational 
constraint. 

915
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:39,500
And so I just want to restore 
and give players back. 

916
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:44,200
In my environment, like you can 
own a facility and you can train

917
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,300
players and not become an 
informational task constraint, 

918
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,800
that gets in their way to 
self-organize and adapt and 

919
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,700
become a good hitter. 
You, I said that in, not so many

920
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:59,300
words yesterday on Twitter. 
I think was like, you can 1000% 

921
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,100
make hitters better by just by 
just telling them. 

922
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,600
Hey, let's try to hit the ball 
hard and let's try hit a line 

923
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,200
drive. 
And then if you have enough 

924
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,700
tools and you have enough, you 
have Eerily tools. 

925
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:16,200
Like you could just create 
enough like real interactions 

926
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:21,500
with pitches whatever it is. 
I would, I would from a motor 

927
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:25,100
learning perspective, I would 
encourage you to at least change

928
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:29,600
the back, you know, a lot of, 
you know, not swing this thing 

929
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,500
back because you're not going to
get it again. 

930
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,800
It's about adaptations, building
adaptation. 

931
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:36,600
You're going to get more 
adaptations and more. 

932
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:40,300
I heard it. 
Somebody said one time. 

933
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,400
To me. 
You know it's like a it's like a

934
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:46,100
like a big Highway and you're 
just trying to build on ramp to 

935
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,400
the highway like the more on 
ramps. 

936
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,600
You can get on the lot hard Line
Drive Highway like the better 

937
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:58,300
they're going to be Again, it's 
just the principle of like the 

938
00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:00,900
natural interaction that you 
got. 

939
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,000
I got I got it. 
Like, I got that. 

940
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,900
I didn't have it. 
You know, people say people say,

941
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:12,100
we'll just think if you'd had, 
you know, coaching or whatever 

942
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:14,000
when you work is like, I might 
not have made it. 

943
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:17,800
You know, I think somebody that 
is hardest thing for people to 

944
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,500
hear. 
I bet somebody had disrupted, my

945
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:25,300
natural athleticism and my 
natural. 

946
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,900
My natural cause defeat to get 
balls. 

947
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,000
I may not have made it now, I 
may not have. 

948
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:40,600
I wasn't a better hitter. 
I was not a better hitter. this 

949
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,200
is this is a story that I may 
draw one to one relationship to 

950
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,000
and it may not even be that The 
like, I led the state of in high

951
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,100
school. 
I led the state of Virginia in 

952
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,800
every, at every level, every 
offensive category, as a High 

953
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:02,500
School, junior like a maze, like
I hit everything homers RBIs 

954
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:09,100
slugging on my everything. 
My senior year I was not as 

955
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:12,400
good, not even close to as good,
which makes no sense going in 

956
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,400
the draft that I signed a power 
5 Division, 1, scholarship, yada

957
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,100
yada yada. 
What was the difference? 

958
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:21,400
Well. 
Because of all these things for 

959
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,200
the first time in my life, I 
thought I had to start searching

960
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,500
for the right mechanic. 
And so I was reading a lot of 

961
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:33,300
things, like trying a lot of 
things with my swing, like, it 

962
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:38,100
made me worse and like, I was 
never what I was previous to 

963
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,900
that. 
Now After High School, obviously

964
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:43,100
pitching gets better. 
So my offensive numbers aren't 

965
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:45,500
the same because I'm not 
interacting with the same path 

966
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:48,900
but like, my search process was 
never the same, you know, I I 

967
00:58:48,908 --> 00:58:52,200
never just hit you know I got 
into pro ball and everybody said

968
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,100
Duty work so I didn't unti work 
like that. 

969
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:59,400
That really what I needed to 
know and work for somebody else 

970
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,100
so it should work for you. 
Right, right. 

971
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:08,800
You know, so Again, from from 
the original question, I just 

972
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,300
put this all the stuff that I 
post, I just want people to know

973
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:17,600
that. 
Stop pigeonholing or cornering 

974
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,300
players into this singular swing
idea. 

975
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:25,800
You know we have a player like 
we have a player who scissors. 

976
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,900
Hmm, a lot you know, he seizes 
the cage, he had to pull side 

977
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:34,600
double the other day in a game 
he does this whatever, you know.

978
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,600
I think I think Parker said that
about trout, he's been in the 

979
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:42,300
case with trout trout doesn't 
ever like Caesar in a game or in

980
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:46,700
the cage but he doesn't a game. 
It's like just one of these 

981
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:51,400
natural occurrences that allow 
these things to not. 

982
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,300
You can be a good coach. 
Like you can be a really good 

983
00:59:54,300 --> 01:00:00,600
poke and not give players 
instructions on on how to do 

984
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,000
things every other swing. 
Like, you can still be a good 

985
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,000
coach, but you can still 
increase a high school team run 

986
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,300
production by over four, runs 
the game and not say anything to

987
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:15,300
any of the player. 
And say anything nothing. 

988
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:18,800
I just allowed them to naturally
interact. 

989
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,600
It's funny. 
I got a remote client. 

990
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:25,400
This spring from from DC and 
he's a young kid and the 

991
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,000
immediate need that the dad 
wanted to address was back to 

992
01:00:28,008 --> 01:00:30,300
ball skills. 
My son's back to ball. 

993
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:33,500
Skills are not good. 
We want to improve the 

994
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:36,400
basketball skills and and I 
said, well, you know, send me 

995
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,300
some video. 
Not that I'm going to break the 

996
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:41,900
video down and put you next to 
Mike Trout and say, well, here's

997
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:43,500
the positions, you need to be 
any audio. 

998
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:45,800
I just just want to watch you 
swing. 

999
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,800
Just want to watch a. 
Well the video he sends me is 

1000
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:54,400
the kid hitting off the tee. 
And so, I said, you know, I said

1001
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,900
it's nicely. 
As I can tell you We need to get

1002
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:01,700
rid of the T. 
Like I'm not jokingly saying 

1003
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:05,900
that like I'm not I'm not I'm 
taking the matter very seriously

1004
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:07,800
that you want to that you want 
to. 

1005
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:11,200
It's not a joke. 
When I say burn the teeth like I

1006
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,000
for most people. 
I mean I mean it but get the 

1007
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,500
ball off a tee. 
I said, I don't care what you 

1008
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:18,300
got to do. 
I don't care. 

1009
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:20,400
If you gotta buy a bucket of 
tennis balls and he's got a 

1010
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,100
bounce them and hit them into a 
net. 

1011
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:24,300
I don't care if you got a side 
toss them to him because you 

1012
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:27,800
don't have much space, you know,
I don't care if you got a side. 

1013
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,000
Also from different angles, I 
don't care what it doesn't have 

1014
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,200
to be a perfect toss tie and 
actually if it benefits the 

1015
01:01:33,207 --> 01:01:36,500
worst off, if it's not 
consistent in worst, probably 

1016
01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:38,600
better because a lot of parents 
get hung up on. 

1017
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,300
Like I can't toss good. 
Okay. 

1018
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,800
What's your point like toss the 
ball at it? 

1019
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:49,800
He's got to figure out how to 
hit it anyway and so it's funny 

1020
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,400
because along the way this kid 
this kid has improved his back 

1021
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,200
to ball skills, like a lot. 
And the dad now makes the joke 

1022
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,200
of who knew that hitting a 
moving ball more made, you 

1023
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,800
better at hitting a moving ball,
you know, right. 

1024
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,800
Yeah. 
Like who knew, you know, who 

1025
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,000
knew that trying to swing the 
bat bath. 

1026
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:12,700
Like makes you swing the bat 
fast. 

1027
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:18,300
It's funny because I see a lot 
of facilities post like first 

1028
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:22,400
lesson bat speed second lesson 
bat speed. 

1029
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,400
Well Huh, of course because most
of the kids that I see, don't 

1030
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,200
swing the bat as hard as they 
can, because they've been 

1031
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,800
attuned to just make contact. 
So they swing the bat at some 

1032
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,100
speed of like whatever and they 
think that that's their highest 

1033
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:40,900
effort. 
And then they just see somebody 

1034
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:44,400
that says, hey man, like let it 
eat and they're bad. 

1035
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speed goes up like eight miles 
an hour. 

1036
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:50,600
Okay, I didn't do anything other
than kill him between carbon and

1037
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,800
he did and his back sweetie. 
I did nothing. 

1038
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,300
Now again, this goes back to the
conversation of back of all 

1039
01:02:57,300 --> 01:03:00,700
skills but like it is swinging 
harder now. 

1040
01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:05,400
And so It's funny. 
It's a funny world. 

1041
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,300
We live in this coaching 
universe. 

1042
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:14,100
Yeah. 
Um so I want to be respectful of

1043
01:03:14,107 --> 01:03:15,500
time. 
I don't know if what your what's

1044
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:17,800
your time window? 
I'm good. 

1045
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,500
Okay good. 
All right because I did have one

1046
01:03:21,500 --> 01:03:23,900
at least other other direction 
to go in. 

1047
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:28,000
I'm trying to well. 
Okay, so it if we go back to 

1048
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:33,900
what we were talking about 
before with the the helmets and 

1049
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:38,000
then the glasses Right? 
So, if we go back to that on how

1050
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:42,700
our perception changes, when we 
put a helmet on and it's not 

1051
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:49,000
just It's not just the fact that
like, it changes your vision but

1052
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,500
now, sensory like kinesthetic. 
Now you have that kinesthetic of

1053
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:58,400
having that on your head and 
then that feel and then having 

1054
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,700
to deal with that because what 
if the helmet is a little loose 

1055
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:03,700
in a falls off that's going to 
mess with, right? 

1056
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,100
Like that's going to change how 
you move that's going to affect 

1057
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:08,800
how you move and how you 
interact with the problem. 

1058
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,600
How big the helmet is in terms 
of, like more padding, less 

1059
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,400
padding, all these different 
things. 

1060
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,900
Things are going to affect a 
player's movement and that's the

1061
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:20,300
thing we are. 
I don't think we appreciate that

1062
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:22,900
enough. 
Like we let guys get away with 

1063
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,100
I'll just hopping in the cage 
without a helmet on and hitting,

1064
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:30,500
and it's like, hey, do you go 
and hit without a bat? 

1065
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,300
So it's to me, it's like the 
military, right? 

1066
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:35,000
You should always be going 
around with your rifle. 

1067
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,100
And I asked one of our guys, 
who's in the National Guard. 

1068
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:39,300
I'm like, hey, okay. 
I hear this thing about, you 

1069
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:41,300
know, you should always have 
your rifle on you, you know, 

1070
01:04:41,300 --> 01:04:43,300
especially when you're training 
and all this other stuff. 

1071
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:45,600
What about your helmet? 
He's like, oh yeah, we're 

1072
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,100
supposed to wear that thing all 
the time. 

1073
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,400
Doesn't even matter. 
Like, if I'm working on a truck 

1074
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:51,800
or whatever, I'm supposed to be 
wearing my helmet. 

1075
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:57,300
Like okay so why is it that the 
military understands these guys 

1076
01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:00,700
got to go around in their gear 
all the time, like they're ready

1077
01:05:00,700 --> 01:05:05,800
to ready for combat. 
But we don't have the same 

1078
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,400
mentality, like it's fine. 
You can you can just, you know, 

1079
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,300
where or no hat or a hat. 
In the cage, whatever. 

1080
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:15,700
Not a helmet, right? 
What you wearing a game? 

1081
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,700
So to me, that's right. 
I think I saw Brock Hammett like

1082
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:30,200
I think I saw Brock heimet post 
about he may, I don't know if 

1083
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:35,000
you know, Brock and Brett but 
no, yeah, he made Brett like 

1084
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,800
start wearing a helmet in the 
cage, like, all the time and I 

1085
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,400
laugh because like he's wearing 
a, he's wearing a helmet in 

1086
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,200
front flips, which is funny to 
look at. 

1087
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,600
But like you said, it's like 
why. 

1088
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:55,800
And even today with my kids, my 
daughter play softball rights, 

1089
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:56,800
she has to wear them. 
Math. 

1090
01:05:57,700 --> 01:06:01,500
And it's like, I should make her
wear, her helmet with the mask 

1091
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:04,800
on it all the time. 
Because even the mask in front 

1092
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,000
of your face, changed, your 
perception of ball flight. 

1093
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:10,300
Ya know, and that's, that's 
especially if you have a C flat.

1094
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:12,500
Don't know what are your 
comments guilty? 

1095
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,900
yeah, I'm guilty of Don't know 
why? 

1096
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,900
I don't know why. 
You don't do it. 

1097
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:23,300
It's easier because I told my 
dad I had to tell my son the 

1098
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:24,100
other day. 
It's like, man. 

1099
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:25,900
I'm not telling you to put a 
helmet on because I'm going to 

1100
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:27,000
hear you. 
I'm not nahi. 

1101
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:28,900
I just need you to wear a 
helmet. 

1102
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:35,500
Good because that my mind was 
going at that time of this. 

1103
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,100
We need to wear a helmet all the
time because you wear a helmet 

1104
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:40,600
in a game and you need to 
perceive the ball flight. 

1105
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,600
The same way you perceive the 
ball flight in the game. 

1106
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:44,200
This goes to the light 
conditions. 

1107
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,000
Also, we tried need to try to 
match the Conditions, you need 

1108
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,200
to try to best match. 
The like conditions that you 

1109
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:56,000
that you trained in. 
Then then you play in and so if 

1110
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,200
it's bright you didn't train in 
that and so your information 

1111
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,800
processing will not be. 
I actually sent that to a couple

1112
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:10,800
of coaches that I consult with 
that have really good chances, 

1113
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,900
in college play in the last 
game. 

1114
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:18,700
Of the season, the last series 
of the season. 

1115
01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:23,900
I said, if these games are 
during the day and I know that a

1116
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:28,200
lot of your training occurs 
inside, you need to look into 

1117
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,500
this because if these games are 
during the day, and you have to 

1118
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:36,900
win the last game, or the last 
series of the Year, this would 

1119
01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:39,600
be something stupid to knock 
not. 

1120
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,400
To not cover a based on these 
are real. 

1121
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,500
Is it not? 
I don't know. 

1122
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:49,700
But again it's the principles of
the matter like they 

1123
01:07:49,700 --> 01:07:51,700
ecologically. 
I think you said this earlier, 

1124
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:54,600
think it's the guiding set of 
principles or the anecdote. 

1125
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,300
You talked about the anecdote 
anecdotally, it makes good 

1126
01:07:57,300 --> 01:07:58,500
sense. 
I don't know that. 

1127
01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:01,500
That's a real thing but that 
would be a really stupid base, 

1128
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,700
not cover. 
If it was a real thing, wind 

1129
01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:08,400
chill. 
We already know that guys have 

1130
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,200
different day night splits, 
that's why in the pros, they 

1131
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:15,200
have not. 
Like it's I mean, at a very 

1132
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,000
basic level. 
We know that this, this 

1133
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,399
relationship exists, but it goes
back to me. 

1134
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:22,800
The whole reason why people 
don't do it is it's harder. 

1135
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:25,700
Oh now I have two guys will 
start complaining because 

1136
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:28,000
they're so used to this and now 
they can't go out and hang out 

1137
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,200
with friends now that, you know,
their schedule got changed and 

1138
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:33,399
blah, blah, blah. 
And like I just don't want it. 

1139
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,700
I get it. 
But At some point it comes back 

1140
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:38,000
to. 
Do you really want to win? 

1141
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,100
How bad do you want to win, 
right? 

1142
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:46,399
And to me, that's you think I 
had a thought I was going to ask

1143
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:48,000
you. 
Do you think that? 

1144
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:50,600
Oh I remember what I was gonna 
say. 

1145
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,700
You probably know this. 
I don't know this because I have

1146
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:56,800
found it. 
But I said this yesterday, I 

1147
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,399
think there's a study. 
I think there's a study and I 

1148
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:04,100
could be completely making this 
up about like Latin American 

1149
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:08,000
players, like players in the 
Dominican players in Cuba 

1150
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:13,899
players and, you know, That 
they're better. 

1151
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:17,800
They're better because they hit 
more not because the intent of 

1152
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,800
hitting more outside, but it's 
something about light, 

1153
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,100
sensitivity in their eyes. 
I either saw that, I maybe even 

1154
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:27,899
making that up, but like, now 
that I see the sunglass thing 

1155
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:32,600
like that makes a lot more sense
that like players that hit more 

1156
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,000
outside or more attuned to 
information processing in 

1157
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:42,600
natural light versus light that 
is in a cage because mmm. well, 

1158
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,600
I mean, if they do, is different
information to be picked up 

1159
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:48,500
potentially, or is different 
information is revealed based 

1160
01:09:48,500 --> 01:09:53,500
upon the lighting conditions and
so, I mean, to me that you're 

1161
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:57,600
part of it, but I haven't leaves
everything completely different.

1162
01:09:57,700 --> 01:10:01,100
Well, that's where. 
If this thing won't break on me,

1163
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,400
I was going to show you. 
I'm having trouble with the 

1164
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:15,400
keeping it connected here. but 
this one, But it's these, 

1165
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:17,000
there's something in this one 
book. 

1166
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,600
I was reading and I haven't 
really looked. 

1167
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:28,600
I just remember that, okay. 
So, Driveline was doing the eye 

1168
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,900
stuff and looking at the eyes 
and gaze behavior. 

1169
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:34,100
And so they're talking about 
saccades and how we're basically

1170
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:38,500
blind when we have a cicada. 
It turns out that's actually not

1171
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:40,300
true. 
One of the things that it's 

1172
01:10:40,300 --> 01:10:43,700
somewhere in here. 
You can actually pick up 

1173
01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:46,200
contrast your contrast 
Sensitivity. 

1174
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:51,200
I think like you can see the 
contrast is still picked up in. 

1175
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,500
Let's see, might not be an 
absolute absence of visual 

1176
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:01,600
perception during saccades, but 
rather that contrast sensitivity

1177
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:07,300
might be lower during during 
saccades, this modern account of

1178
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:09,800
saccades suppression. 
Argues that contrast sensitivity

1179
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,100
is reduced to such an extent 
under that under natural 

1180
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:15,200
conditions. 
Nothing would be perceived 

1181
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,800
during a secure aid but that if 
contrast is very high then 

1182
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:25,400
Vision can proceed. so at least 
to me that that says that if we 

1183
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:31,400
can improve somebody's ability 
to perceive the contrast like 

1184
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:36,300
for example to me the seems you 
can somehow improve the contrast

1185
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:41,500
sensitivity to the seams And to 
me this is I might be inferring 

1186
01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:46,200
here. but maybe contrast 
sensitivity is something is a 

1187
01:11:46,208 --> 01:11:50,600
trainable quality because if 
it's about the perception or the

1188
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:56,200
pickup of information, the more 
like, there's probably a way to 

1189
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,800
train it and I don't know 
exactly how it probably take a 

1190
01:11:58,808 --> 01:12:01,300
while to figure out, but I think
you could probably train 

1191
01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:07,600
contrast, contrast, sensitivity,
and And so that's something, you

1192
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,200
know, whether it is that you're 
using glasses, here's my one, my

1193
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,300
one hang up on the glasses is 
what happens if they break, 

1194
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,400
right? 
I don't you don't want it to be 

1195
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,100
such a crutch that if you don't 
have it, you like you're 

1196
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:24,900
absolutely screwed. 
But at the same point that you 

1197
01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:27,500
train with it enough that, okay,
you're good with it and you're 

1198
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:30,400
good without it. 
And so like it can be a, it can 

1199
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,700
be a training aid at sometimes 
22. 

1200
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:39,600
To help guys, become more 
sensitive to the contrast to see

1201
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,100
it more clearly and then to go 
back without it until like 

1202
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:46,200
alternate back and forth. 
I think that to me would be the 

1203
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:52,600
safer way. 
Because so remember when Robert 

1204
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:57,400
was talking about earplugs or 
Jared, talking about earplugs. 

1205
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,900
My biggest thing is, okay, 
that's great. 

1206
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,300
But now you just reduced or took
away like if you can't wear or 

1207
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:06,000
if you wear them in games, all 
you did was now you took away 

1208
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:11,700
one, one of their perceptual 
senses that as can actually be 

1209
01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:14,800
useful and important. 
Say for example you're on S, 

1210
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:17,700
right? 
So you hit or whatever are you 

1211
01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:19,400
going to leave them in? 
Maybe you take them out after 

1212
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,700
you get on base, but You know, 
you got a double or whatever and

1213
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:27,200
you can't hear the guy, the 
trail Runner or not Runner. 

1214
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,100
But first baseman, he had a 
double trailer and I'm yelling 

1215
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:33,500
trailer and you got, you got 
those earplugs in, you're not 

1216
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:36,100
going to hear that you're not 
going to even hear me go, go, 

1217
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:38,500
go, go. 
When, you know, so this is where

1218
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,000
to me on a practical sense. 
Okay, great. 

1219
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:45,000
That this helps improve this one
element but does it, does it 

1220
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,200
then hinder you when you're 
doing other elements of the 

1221
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,600
game. 
So to me, auditory is huge. 

1222
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:54,200
Just take that away. 
So to me, it's just a training 

1223
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,500
aid, to help get you to 
experience. 

1224
01:13:56,500 --> 01:14:01,200
So, for example, under load bats
experience of going fast, and 

1225
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,800
then you go back to your game 
bat, which is heavier. 

1226
01:14:04,100 --> 01:14:06,900
But now you understand how to 
move fast and what moving fast 

1227
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:09,300
feels like so to me. 
Yeah. 

1228
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:13,600
When you use these different 
training AIDS, if you if they 

1229
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,800
are, if they feel like 
shortcuts, the probably are 

1230
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:20,000
shortcuts and that means that 
you can't perform without them. 

1231
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:27,300
And so to me it's it's using it 
more as a way to help blend and 

1232
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:29,300
get to transition back to what 
it is. 

1233
01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:33,000
Your game state is so I don't 
have a problem with using these 

1234
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,200
different things. 
But I think this is something 

1235
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,400
that Caleb. 
Oh man killed get into this all 

1236
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,800
the time about Band-Aids. 
All that's a mental crutch 

1237
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,900
having a mental routine and to 
me, I don't think so. 

1238
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:50,600
I think having a very gradual 
one but to him, it's just Just a

1239
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,200
Band-Aid off. 
You should be psychologically, 

1240
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,600
strong enough. 
And I'm probably creating a 

1241
01:14:54,608 --> 01:14:58,200
little bit of a slime in here, 
but that to me is the perception

1242
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,200
of this back. 
Yes. 

1243
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,500
Like your anecdotal principle of
flow, you know, if a middle 

1244
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:08,600
routine gets you to flow into a 
flow State, then it is 

1245
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,200
important. 
Yes. 

1246
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,000
You know, if you're mentally 
tough enough where you don't 

1247
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,600
need them into routine and you 
could get into a flow State then

1248
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,100
great through that. 
It's like the tea before the 

1249
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:20,000
game Freddie Freeman has to do 
the tea. 

1250
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:24,400
Well, the game in order to get 
into a flow state that he can 

1251
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:28,300
compete in the game than he has 
to do the tea because that's 

1252
01:15:28,300 --> 01:15:30,400
what he has to do to get himself
to that. 

1253
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,200
So it goes back to the 
your--for. 

1254
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,800
Your I think you're very first 
point of like the flow state 

1255
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,200
dog. 
You about this though and I'm 

1256
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:44,500
listening to do. 
Do you think in training? 

1257
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,500
This is trying. 
This might be a Band-Aid to you.

1258
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:51,300
Talk about not being able to 
play in without glasses. 

1259
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:55,500
Should we be using glasses in 
training? 

1260
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,400
That, that changes the light 
sensitivity, like you can use 

1261
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:05,100
yellow lens glass To make the 
room brighter and hit you, can 

1262
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:10,200
you content them and you know, 
make more red light and make the

1263
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,900
training environment. 
So, you build a more robust 

1264
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:15,900
sensitivity is not the same 
light all the time. 

1265
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,600
What I'm getting at in a 
training center so that you 

1266
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,500
build this more robust ability 
to without glasses or without 

1267
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:26,700
anything. 
Thank you bit least experienced 

1268
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:29,600
this, you know it's like the 
front foot hitting or it's like 

1269
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:32,400
experience in swinging at a 
breaking ball. 

1270
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,200
It's like this is not optimal 
but at least you've experienced 

1271
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:40,700
this to have some sort of, you 
know, connection to what's 

1272
01:16:40,700 --> 01:16:44,700
happening. 
No, no, I think that to me is 

1273
01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:48,900
what practices about is creating
those, a different experience at

1274
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:53,100
a better way to to your point of
it might be a crutch and if the 

1275
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:56,400
glasses break you can play, is 
it something that you should 

1276
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:00,900
install in practice that? 
I think so. 

1277
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:03,400
Yeah, I don't, I don't have a 
problem with using them at all. 

1278
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:09,900
I just think that if Everybody 
has this early on more is 

1279
01:17:09,900 --> 01:17:12,200
better, and I don't think 
there's a problem with that in 

1280
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,900
the sense of we don't know what 
at what point it becomes not 

1281
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:19,100
better. 
So part of So to me, this is 

1282
01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:21,700
again going back to why. 
I like, I want to demonstrate 

1283
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:26,700
ecological and ecological 
approach is, is a, is a very 

1284
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:29,500
like, it's all-encompassing, 
it's very pervasive, it 

1285
01:17:29,500 --> 01:17:32,700
permeates there's the work, it 
permeates through breath, 

1286
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:36,500
everything in the sense of if 
you just take the basic 

1287
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:38,500
principles of how we learn 
things. 

1288
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,800
Well, you need and what you want
to explore to find out what the 

1289
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,800
limits are of the thing is and 
to find out how the thing 

1290
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:49,300
actually works. 
So you know, early on like let's

1291
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:52,600
use it a ton and if you can use 
it in game great, but you also 

1292
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:57,000
you'll probably end up finding 
out and just as just to me like 

1293
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,500
your run the thought of 
experiment. 

1294
01:17:58,500 --> 01:18:03,300
Okay, if I use this all the 
time, okay, there's this benefit

1295
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,600
but what happens in the worst 
case scenario, am I still going 

1296
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,700
to be able to perform? 
And that to me is the analysis. 

1297
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:13,000
There is, there's nothing wrong 
with using it in game, right? 

1298
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,800
What there's no rule saying you 
can't. 

1299
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,200
So why wouldn't you if it's 
going to give you an edge? 

1300
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:21,500
But if that edge is suddenly 
taken away from you, are you 

1301
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:25,200
going to completely collapse? 
And so, I think from a coach 

1302
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:29,700
standpoint to me, it's about 
making the player aware look, I 

1303
01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:32,700
also need you to train without 
it sometimes even though you got

1304
01:18:32,700 --> 01:18:35,200
really comfortable with it, you 
perform really great with it, 

1305
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,200
but I want we're going to have 
to take that away. 

1306
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,500
So just in case it happens in a 
game where that gets taken away 

1307
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:44,800
from you, you're not up, you 
know, up the creek without a 

1308
01:18:44,808 --> 01:18:48,400
paddle, you know, like it. 
Like that's so that to me is 

1309
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:54,400
where As a coach, it to me, I 
feel responsible to then have to

1310
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,700
train the athlete, to be able to
use without it. 

1311
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,500
But say, you can absolutely use 
it in game, but if something 

1312
01:19:00,500 --> 01:19:03,500
happens, you're, you know, 
you're super chill. 

1313
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:07,800
And it's like, no problem. 
I'm super adaptable dextrous and

1314
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,800
it doesn't matter. 
And so to me, that's that's 

1315
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,100
where like an ecological 
approach, like permeates 

1316
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:18,100
everything that you do, all the 
way from how you you interact 

1317
01:19:18,100 --> 01:19:22,100
with the new idea, a new Concept
to how you are. 

1318
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:28,000
You coach the athlete? 
Do you think I've had this 

1319
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:33,800
thought to in a lot of, a lot of
the, you know, a lot of the 

1320
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:37,000
people need, I think Trevor said
this one time. 

1321
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,000
Hmm. 
These people need the belief 

1322
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:46,000
that there is a one ideal style 
to do it. 

1323
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,400
They need that because when they
fail, which ultimately, they'll 

1324
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,100
do visually in baseball, like no
one plays forever? 

1325
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:55,800
So, ultimately, there's a time 
where the game passes you by 

1326
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,100
They need they just need the 
security blanket of like there. 

1327
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,800
There was one way to do it and I
didn't find it instead of like 

1328
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,600
faith in reality of like I just 
was no longer good enough to do 

1329
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,100
it. 
The game, I couldn't interact 

1330
01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:11,600
with the game good enough to do 
it. 

1331
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:13,900
It's just an easier pill to 
swallow. 

1332
01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:17,900
If you believe you had this firm
belief of, there's one way to do

1333
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:18,900
it. 
I didn't find it. 

1334
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,400
I just should have kept looking.
That was my belief, I think, 

1335
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,500
when I first came out of 
baseball, was that guy you have 

1336
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:33,100
something to blame Yeah, it's 
like the most people can't 

1337
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:35,900
swallow the pill of like I 
wasn't good enough. 

1338
01:20:37,900 --> 01:20:42,500
And so they just they just they 
just blame it on something. 

1339
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:45,100
It helps them get over it and 
helps them get over. 

1340
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:50,300
You know, it helps them get over
their own career shortcomings or

1341
01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:52,600
whatever. 
So they then they then they 

1342
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,100
regurgitate that to other people
who have the same insecurities 

1343
01:20:56,300 --> 01:20:57,900
and it turns into this culture 
of people. 

1344
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,700
Eventually that again, like like
you said, I'm just not mentally,

1345
01:21:03,100 --> 01:21:06,200
Pella mentally, strong enough. 
It just accept that. 

1346
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:07,800
I was a good enough and they 
move on. 

1347
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:11,000
I mean, that's how I am about 
my, I don't talk about my 

1348
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,500
playing career today because 
ultimately, I was not good 

1349
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:16,000
enough, it wasn't because I 
didn't find the swing it wasn't 

1350
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,600
because I did. 
Already others wasn't good 

1351
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,100
enough, I didn't play good 
enough. 

1352
01:21:21,700 --> 01:21:26,200
Well I also wonder the other 
ball any other than my own, why?

1353
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,300
I also wonder at your kid will 
be the same way. 

1354
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:32,500
Like if my kids career fall 
short, it will be because 

1355
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,300
they're not good enough. 
Well, it depends what you like? 

1356
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,500
How do you define? 
What is not good enough and in 

1357
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:40,200
some ways because here's where 
I'm going. 

1358
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,600
Is that? 
Within every person, there's 

1359
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,600
there's potential, right? 
And so as a coach and even as as

1360
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,400
a player you're trying to pull 
out your fullest potential. 

1361
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,300
So the question was it's a word 
that's like maybe my least 

1362
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:56,900
favorite word ever who by the 
way somebody tells me that 

1363
01:21:56,900 --> 01:21:58,800
somebody has potential like 
right. 

1364
01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:02,300
Awesome. 
You know so does everyone else 

1365
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:05,200
know but I think that's why I 
like coaching like I'll work 

1366
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,500
with the worst player on the 
team because I think that within

1367
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:13,600
within them there is the ability
to Be a good ball player and 

1368
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:19,400
because, Yep, they're there to 
me what becomes interesting and 

1369
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,500
ecological approach doesn't get 
you all the way there, but it 

1370
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:25,700
gets you close. 
Is you want to look at the whole

1371
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:28,100
person. 
And so when we start talking 

1372
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:29,700
about this like what's holding 
you back? 

1373
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,100
Well it could be mental, could 
be physical. 

1374
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,900
It could be all these different 
things, but at the same point at

1375
01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:42,300
some level, There to me and I 
could be wrong on this. 

1376
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,700
There's sometimes it's a 
psychological thing, right? 

1377
01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:49,000
Like, there's some sort of 
mental block that's preventing 

1378
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:53,300
you from taking that next step 
of like overcoming what it is 

1379
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,600
because right? 
When you encounter failure, what

1380
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,700
is happening? 
Oftentimes is you're coming up 

1381
01:22:58,700 --> 01:23:02,200
against especially when it's 
repeated failure. 

1382
01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:05,800
You're coming up against your 
shortcomings, right? 

1383
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,900
Like maybe we talked about this 
with business, right? 

1384
01:23:07,900 --> 01:23:11,100
The only person, the only reason
like especially when you're in 

1385
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:13,500
business for yourself, the only 
reason, Not moving forward as 

1386
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:18,200
you. 
And so you have to face the your

1387
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:20,500
usual bombings single player 
game. 

1388
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,200
Hmm. 
Like the single player game from

1389
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,300
Lake Nation. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1390
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:33,600
And so the to me the the thing 
is is that once you to me 

1391
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,900
there's a process. 
So like I think you've followed 

1392
01:23:35,900 --> 01:23:40,400
Gary Vee Right up. 
Yeah, so I mean his his whole 

1393
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,800
thing a while back was he loves 
the game, once he figured out 

1394
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,900
the game. 
And that part of improvement was

1395
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:51,000
overcoming his shortcomings and 
like dealing with him Square on,

1396
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,500
and like, if he can get through 
this, this thing that's holding 

1397
01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:56,400
him back or whatever. 
Like, I think he was away more. 

1398
01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:02,300
I don't like a, like, the 
feeling that you got from him 

1399
01:24:02,300 --> 01:24:04,400
like it because it's still there
a little bit, but I think it's 

1400
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,900
changed more and more over time 
as he sort of figure out, hey, I

1401
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:10,700
can make more money if I am what
more if I'm a better human 

1402
01:24:10,700 --> 01:24:13,100
being. 
So in before it was just sell, 

1403
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:16,200
sell sell. 
And however, I sell No works. 

1404
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:20,000
But and so, so he got like a 
little bit of like a used car 

1405
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,900
salesman feel to them or like 
that East Coast kind of edgy 

1406
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:28,200
feel to it. 
And but it's been interesting to

1407
01:24:28,208 --> 01:24:32,200
see, like, you listen to him. 
It's like, oh, he learned that 

1408
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,100
there's a game to this. 
If I can overcome these things 

1409
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:38,900
within me and become a better 
person, then I can pull out more

1410
01:24:38,900 --> 01:24:42,400
of my, my fullest potential. 
And I think that's the thing 

1411
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,700
where people going back to I 
need to feel good. 

1412
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,900
Well, you did then don't 
understand. 

1413
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,300
How to get where you want to go 
to, some of this goes more to 

1414
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:55,400
your boredom Point, like, that's
not it. 

1415
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,700
You don't feel great when you're
doing this monotonous stuff in 

1416
01:24:58,700 --> 01:25:02,000
the same way, when you encounter
your weaknesses and have to 

1417
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,200
overcome them. 
That's, that's painful, that's a

1418
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,800
very painful process. 
But if you can, if you want 

1419
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,400
where you're going more and if 
you want to see your fullest 

1420
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,200
potential, then you have to work
through that. 

1421
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,700
But if you're if you're okay 
with not then you have to do 

1422
01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:17,100
that. 
Whole thing of telling yourself,

1423
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:18,600
different lies, and all this 
sort of stuff. 

1424
01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:23,700
But where I was going the larger
picture to me from an ecological

1425
01:25:23,700 --> 01:25:26,100
perspective. 
When you can understand how do 

1426
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:29,600
the game that is being played, 
so to speak of, it's about a 

1427
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,700
process and the process. 
Is about exploration and 

1428
01:25:33,700 --> 01:25:37,300
learning, and being adaptive and
all this sort of stuff. 

1429
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:43,300
Once you understand this 
process, it kind of it pulls you

1430
01:25:43,300 --> 01:25:46,400
out of this, this negative Loop 
and it creates a positive Loop. 

1431
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,700
Like everything is, you can find
a ways to grow in everything 

1432
01:25:49,700 --> 01:25:55,200
that you do and to me, then that
allows more of your fullest 

1433
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:59,300
potential to come out. 
And so that to me is maybe it 

1434
01:25:59,300 --> 01:26:02,900
was the frame that we were 
working in Was what was limiting

1435
01:26:02,900 --> 01:26:07,100
us? 
And that's where, you know, this

1436
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:11,400
is a good segue into the other 
thing that we were trying to do 

1437
01:26:11,900 --> 01:26:14,400
and I don't I might not include 
this in the podcast. 

1438
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,700
But anyways, remember so we 
talked you talked about trying 

1439
01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:20,900
to create like an about hitting 
Mastermind group to figure out, 

1440
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:25,200
how are we going to solve? 
So the the problems that we're 

1441
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,400
facing in hitting because I 
don't think I can, I can do it. 

1442
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,700
I mean, maybe I could do a lot 
of it by myself, but I think it 

1443
01:26:30,708 --> 01:26:33,500
would take, you know, ten years 
to 20 years for me too. 

1444
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:38,200
To get all that put down 
organized in such a way to then 

1445
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,800
distribute to other people. 
Like I could maybe figure it out

1446
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,700
for myself because there are 
things that each of us 

1447
01:26:43,700 --> 01:26:47,800
intuitively know but cannot 
explain to other people, and 

1448
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:49,400
that's great. 
So you can use it and be 

1449
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,800
successful with it, but it's 
really hard for us for it to be 

1450
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,300
replicated. 
And so I think what, I'm what I 

1451
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:59,300
am trying to do or what I would 
like to do is figure out how to 

1452
01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:04,400
get a group of people together 
to actually Start figuring out, 

1453
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,400
how can we develop language 
around this? 

1454
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,300
How can we develop a culture 
around this? 

1455
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:14,000
Like I took it from this book 
Finding Superman which is about 

1456
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,400
flow States. 
I don't know if you've have. 

1457
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,100
You heard that book. 
Always have heard the book. 

1458
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:23,200
I don't haven't read it. 
I think it's in my, on my Amazon

1459
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,400
wishlist I try to just when I 
hear things, I try to go in 

1460
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:27,800
there. 
I go to the bookstore Wonder 

1461
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,800
around but things my Amazon 
wishlist, hoping I get an email 

1462
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:36,100
one day that they're a dollar 99
on Kindle and right, well 

1463
01:27:36,100 --> 01:27:38,300
because like II just have the 
audio book. 

1464
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:41,900
This is sorry, I got the title 
wrong, the rise of Superman, but

1465
01:27:41,900 --> 01:27:45,300
to me, this is so I don't even 
know if this is going to play in

1466
01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:50,900
the right spot, but Did the 
story was that for these guys to

1467
01:27:50,900 --> 01:27:55,400
do the most amazing so that the 
book is on action adventure 

1468
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,200
sports and so these guys that 
you know, you said, you couldn't

1469
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:04,800
free climb, you know, I'm trying
to think of the mountain but it 

1470
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,400
basically like, you know, I 
think it's like elcapitan like 

1471
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,400
the some of these or Yosemite, 
right? 

1472
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:11,700
Like you can't do these all 
good. 

1473
01:28:11,700 --> 01:28:16,900
These sort of crazy things are 
guys who are going off, skis 

1474
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:21,500
doing back jumps and then 
parachuting out after, you know,

1475
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:24,400
off of cliffs that, you know, 
you normally couldn't cook to 

1476
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:29,300
ski down. 
They talked about how there were

1477
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,200
what caused an explosion in 
advancement of like human 

1478
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,600
advancement. 
Was the fact that people were 

1479
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,300
going to this, there's this one 
base camp I think, at the base 

1480
01:28:38,300 --> 01:28:43,300
of Yosemite where these were 
some climbers started or one guy

1481
01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:46,400
just like, went all in and just 
started living there. 

1482
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,000
And then eventually other people
would hear about like the things

1483
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,300
that he was doing and they'd 
come there. 

1484
01:28:50,900 --> 01:28:53,600
And then they would, they 
basically developed a community 

1485
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,900
where They were teaching each 
other. 

1486
01:28:57,100 --> 01:29:02,100
Like hey I learned this blah 
blah blah and that led to a 

1487
01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:07,500
group Flow State which allowed 
the advancement of the sport for

1488
01:29:07,500 --> 01:29:10,500
them to do things that people 
thought weren't humanly 

1489
01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:14,300
possible. 
And so in my mind, if we're 

1490
01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:19,600
going to solve the hitting 
problem and try to catch up to 

1491
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,500
pitching. 
In my mind, the best way to do 

1492
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:28,300
that is to try to get a group 
Flow State and to try to create 

1493
01:29:28,300 --> 01:29:30,500
a community around trying to 
solve this problem. 

1494
01:29:30,700 --> 01:29:33,500
But it's going to be hard in the
sense of part of the reason why,

1495
01:29:33,900 --> 01:29:37,500
you know, I reach out to you to 
Jared and to the other guys in 

1496
01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:40,800
the group, generally speaking is
there's really low ego among 

1497
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,200
that that group of people 
because if your mentality and 

1498
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:47,300
I've been around other people 
like this, if your mentality is,

1499
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:49,000
I need to keep these things 
secret. 

1500
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,300
And I don't want to share with 
other people. 

1501
01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:53,500
Because you know, they could 
steal my ideas make money blah 

1502
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:56,700
blah. 
Then I think yeah I think we're 

1503
01:29:56,700 --> 01:30:01,300
going to then limit our ability 
to solve this problem. 

1504
01:30:01,300 --> 01:30:02,800
Like at least for me like I 
don't care. 

1505
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,900
I really like Chad. 
If you go and make tons of 

1506
01:30:05,900 --> 01:30:08,500
money, then you're going to do 
the Joe Rogan thing and have a 

1507
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:10,600
Joe Rogan studio in your 
facility and it's going to be 

1508
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:18,700
great, you know, like That's my 
crazy plan of like, my dream of 

1509
01:30:18,700 --> 01:30:23,300
like what I would like to do. 
In the in the near future. 

1510
01:30:23,300 --> 01:30:26,800
It's try to figure that out of 
like how can we have those types

1511
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,300
of conversations because it's 
going to take time but I think 

1512
01:30:30,300 --> 01:30:35,100
it will advance Advance like our
ability to. 

1513
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,900
To change the game. 
Right. 

1514
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:46,800
And again I could be wrong but I
don't I probably am. 

1515
01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:51,400
It's like it's like I would like
to ask Kyle. 

1516
01:30:51,700 --> 01:30:55,000
I would like to ask Kyle Bode on
my podcast. 

1517
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:00,400
Would you look back at Driveline
five years ago and think that it

1518
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:01,400
is? 
I mean, you are you've been 

1519
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:06,400
around the like even probably 
three or four years ago And 

1520
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,700
think that it's up compared to 
now. 

1521
01:31:10,100 --> 01:31:13,300
And he probably say yes. 
I think like in, but we all 

1522
01:31:13,300 --> 01:31:16,700
thought three or four years ago 
that all this is the, this is 

1523
01:31:16,700 --> 01:31:18,200
amazing. 
Like, this is the top of the 

1524
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:21,600
mountain here like, but they've 
gone further in like where they 

1525
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,900
were now. 
If, if Driveline was driving, 

1526
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:28,800
what it is now versus what it 
was three or four years ago, 

1527
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,600
would be like it sucks. 
So, the idea that I have today 

1528
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,900
probably won't play out but some
some form of it may, but I think

1529
01:31:36,900 --> 01:31:39,700
it goes back this this whole 
thing this group and they spent 

1530
01:31:39,700 --> 01:31:45,300
a These thing is, how do the 
biggest challenge. 

1531
01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:47,500
The number one challenge is, how
do we get? 

1532
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:52,800
How do we get two people to 
agree on like the foundational 

1533
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,400
principle to? 
Players to hit hard line drives 

1534
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,300
are good later. 
Do that more often get the 

1535
01:32:00,300 --> 01:32:01,800
harder. 
It's blowing the air. 

1536
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,700
We can agree on the principle of
the matter. 

1537
01:32:05,900 --> 01:32:07,800
Like if we were going to do a 
group and we were going to grow 

1538
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:13,400
this, this bottle if we start 
from the agreed upon principle 

1539
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:22,500
of this, then it opens your mind
to the possibility that You 

1540
01:32:22,508 --> 01:32:29,400
know, there's maybe not one 
ideal perfect style to do this 

1541
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:35,400
by, because of these reasons. 
You know, but until I mean, my 

1542
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:39,400
hang up. 
I thought I thought five years 

1543
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:44,800
ago, When I really started to 
because I think you said this, I

1544
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,600
think you said this, I might 
somebody said this on my 

1545
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:51,600
podcast, we felt about. 
We felt about bat speed the way 

1546
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,100
we used to feel about people 
throwing 90 miles an hour. 

1547
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,100
It's like something new here. 
I had her. 

1548
01:32:56,100 --> 01:33:01,000
Yeah, and yeah, and preachers 
had arrived at the principle of 

1549
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,400
the matter. 
It's like throwing 90 miles an 

1550
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:04,800
hour is trainable and 
attainable. 

1551
01:33:05,900 --> 01:33:09,200
I can do this. 
You know, it's going to look 

1552
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:13,600
like some Foreman bat speed 
power is completely trainable, 

1553
01:33:13,700 --> 01:33:16,800
and completely attainable and 
having more bat speed and 

1554
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,600
hitting the ball hard, and 
having more power is a very, 

1555
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:23,500
very, very good thing and you 
can train it. 

1556
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,800
I can try, I can train, you can 
training, everybody can train 

1557
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,400
it. 
And until we agree that, like, 

1558
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,800
that's a good thing, like, 
that's the thing we should be 

1559
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:37,600
chasing then. 
Obviously back to ball skills. 

1560
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,600
You know I'm not overlooking 
back to ball skills. 

1561
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,900
Like in order to hit for power 
you have to hit the ball and it 

1562
01:33:43,900 --> 01:33:47,100
goes back to my original point 
of like while bat speed and 

1563
01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:49,700
power. 
And all these is the maybe the 

1564
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:53,500
grand picture along the way back
to ball skills is kind of really

1565
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:59,300
the day-to-day focus. 
And so Well, that's your area 

1566
01:33:59,300 --> 01:34:03,000
that well, I mean, that's, 
that's a hurry on, but it's a 

1567
01:34:03,008 --> 01:34:08,600
language thing, right? 
And so, the, the, the main thing

1568
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:12,100
of this is personally. 
I think and there's, there's a 

1569
01:34:12,100 --> 01:34:13,800
TED Talk. 
I listen to, but I like the 

1570
01:34:13,808 --> 01:34:14,600
book. 
Good to great. 

1571
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,900
I thought it articulated at 
well, I don't know if you've 

1572
01:34:16,900 --> 01:34:23,300
heard of that one. 
Yeah, yeah, he talked about when

1573
01:34:23,300 --> 01:34:25,700
you and maybe it's in 
principles, Ray dalio is book 

1574
01:34:25,700 --> 01:34:28,300
principles as well. 
Like When you're a part of an 

1575
01:34:28,300 --> 01:34:32,400
elite group man, you argue all 
the time like in the sense of 

1576
01:34:32,500 --> 01:34:36,300
you argue and you have these 
conversations and it's okay like

1577
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:41,500
you have these debates and in it
you're you're you're arguing for

1578
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:43,300
the best ideas and you're 
working through stuff. 

1579
01:34:43,300 --> 01:34:46,200
And you know, I might want to 
actually play a little a little 

1580
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,100
clip from from this other thing 
that I was listening to even 

1581
01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:52,100
though it's a little religious, 
he was talking about when when 

1582
01:34:52,100 --> 01:34:54,500
you're having these discussions 
because this is happening to 

1583
01:34:54,500 --> 01:34:57,600
with you know, Jordan Pederson. 
I don't know if you Any of his 

1584
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:01,900
stuff Jordan Peterson up Sam 
Harris, Bret Weinstein. 

1585
01:35:01,900 --> 01:35:05,000
Like there's there's all these 
conversations going on where 

1586
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,500
there in John Verve a key, Paul 
dander, clay, Jonathan Pidgeotto

1587
01:35:08,500 --> 01:35:10,100
all these conversations that are
occurring. 

1588
01:35:10,300 --> 01:35:12,900
And these guys are trying to 
work out these complex problems 

1589
01:35:12,900 --> 01:35:15,700
and things that they thought, 
you know, had nothing to do with

1590
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:20,500
each other religion and all this
science stuff, but they're 

1591
01:35:20,500 --> 01:35:24,700
they're now starting to have 
conversations and what John 

1592
01:35:24,700 --> 01:35:26,500
Verve, a key or not for Becky. 
Sorry. 

1593
01:35:26,500 --> 01:35:30,900
Paul Van clay was talking about 
is he's he's Illuminating the 

1594
01:35:30,900 --> 01:35:34,700
process by which you begin to 
get on the same page essentially

1595
01:35:34,700 --> 01:35:37,500
and you begin to work together 
and there's this process by 

1596
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:39,200
which you're having 
conversations in your trying to 

1597
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:40,300
figure out. 
Okay. 

1598
01:35:40,300 --> 01:35:42,400
How are we going to have this 
the same conversation? 

1599
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,400
Let me see if I can pull up this
this little clip. 

1600
01:35:47,300 --> 01:35:50,800
Okay. 
Okay, so another way this, this 

1601
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:54,200
to me I think was really really 
quite interested in Sunday. 

1602
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,900
We had some people came into 
church and two marks came in. 

1603
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,900
One was a quiet Mark and one was
a one was a more of a chatty 

1604
01:36:01,900 --> 01:36:03,500
Mark. 
And he asked, what is the frame 

1605
01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:04,800
problem? 
And so I just kind of walked 

1606
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,800
through a little bit of what the
frame problem is the world is 

1607
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:13,400
too complex for us to process. 
We are small limited beings and 

1608
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:17,500
in order to process the world we
filter, so So filter is sort of 

1609
01:36:17,500 --> 01:36:21,800
a metaphor this way. 
And this is key to part of what 

1610
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:25,000
Jordan tried to get across to 
Sam Harris and their talks 

1611
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,800
didn't make what's much Headway 
I think, partly? 

1612
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,700
Because often in events like 
this people sort of get on stage

1613
01:36:31,700 --> 01:36:34,500
and they have all these little 
sets peaches and when they hear 

1614
01:36:34,500 --> 01:36:37,200
something, that sort of 
triggers, one of their set 

1615
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,200
speeches, they give their said 
speeches, and it's very hard for

1616
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:44,300
people, especially with very 
minimal experience conversing 

1617
01:36:44,300 --> 01:36:49,300
with each other to really dig. 
And and get stuff done. 

1618
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,100
You might say Well then why 
don't people just have regular 

1619
01:36:52,100 --> 01:36:56,200
regular repeated conversations. 
Well, people often do why not 

1620
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:58,400
what conversations? 
Like this part of the difficulty

1621
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,500
is that if two people keep 
talking, they keep making 

1622
01:37:02,500 --> 01:37:05,900
progress like this, but 
somewhat, but you have to be 

1623
01:37:05,900 --> 01:37:08,400
there for all the conversations 
to sort of continue to follow 

1624
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,300
them. 
And even then there's a lot of 

1625
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:11,900
loss. 
So that's just the challenge of 

1626
01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:14,800
conversation. 
So pre-show is making the 

1627
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:20,500
comment here about not only the 
frame problem but also the 

1628
01:37:20,500 --> 01:37:26,200
quality problem and the the 
level problem, let's call it. 

1629
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:31,600
So I think that he explained 
really well like when you're 

1630
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,800
trying to work together on a 
problem and solve a problem at 

1631
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,500
first we're just going to be 
interacting I guess with our are

1632
01:37:37,500 --> 01:37:41,100
stump speeches and then 
eventually we'll start digging 

1633
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:44,200
deeper but I I'm kind of 
curious. 

1634
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:48,600
If like what were what were some
things that stood out to you? 

1635
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,000
Because I heard you chuckle 
there a little bit. 

1636
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:59,600
No, he dogged about those two 
guys, and funny. 

1637
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:05,200
No, I I think I was thinking 
about how we don't want it. 

1638
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,300
Certainly don't have to get into
my views, on religion, or 

1639
01:38:08,300 --> 01:38:10,000
whatever church and all these 
other things. 

1640
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:14,600
But I think a lot of the 
controversy and those things 

1641
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:22,000
also derive from not being able 
to identify like, what is the, 

1642
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:26,200
what is the, like, the What is 
the core principle to this? 

1643
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:31,500
You know, it's like travel team 
churches and they all break off 

1644
01:38:31,500 --> 01:38:35,300
because they disagree on like 
what is the core principle? 

1645
01:38:38,300 --> 01:38:43,800
And so hitting the hitting group
fractures because we can't we, 

1646
01:38:43,900 --> 01:38:47,700
there's not a for there's not 
like a core principle and 

1647
01:38:47,700 --> 01:38:50,700
hitting should be simple, like, 
pitching should be simple. 

1648
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,000
You know, the principles, the 
core principles should, it 

1649
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:58,700
should be simple to understand. 
Now we can have covered their 

1650
01:38:58,700 --> 01:39:02,200
certainly lat I can't talk to 
people because I'm not going to 

1651
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:05,900
argue about the core principle. 
I'm not I'm just not. 

1652
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:08,700
I don't have time if you're not 
going to convince me that I 

1653
01:39:08,700 --> 01:39:12,100
should teach mechanics first 
like I should teach this ideal 

1654
01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:15,100
say to mechanics and then we're 
going to go we're going to learn

1655
01:39:15,100 --> 01:39:16,300
this. 
We're going to spend all this 

1656
01:39:16,300 --> 01:39:18,900
time on this set of mechanics. 
And then we're going to go we're

1657
01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:22,100
going to You're not going to 
convince me of that. 

1658
01:39:22,700 --> 01:39:25,200
Like that's not that's not 
that's not. 

1659
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,300
What's going to make you a good 
hitter? 

1660
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,900
Like trying to hit the ball hard
and actually hitting the ball 

1661
01:39:30,900 --> 01:39:34,200
hard if you need to refine and 
reiterate that a lot? 

1662
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:35,800
Yes, there are a lot of ways to 
do that. 

1663
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,300
Yes, we've discussed that in 
this podcast, we can a disagree 

1664
01:39:38,300 --> 01:39:42,500
on that we can disagree on like 
Ryan johanns. 

1665
01:39:42,500 --> 01:39:45,400
I had Ryan Johansen on a 
podcast, like it hasn't come out

1666
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:47,800
yet. 
He gave me an idea about the tea

1667
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:53,000
that I didn't hate. 
Mmm, and I'm like, And so I can 

1668
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,800
do with that like I actually 
have gone with that. 

1669
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,000
There have actually been a 
couple kids since I had that 

1670
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,700
conversation that I've actually 
gone back to some of the things 

1671
01:40:01,700 --> 01:40:06,200
that I used to do with you 
implementing and using the tea. 

1672
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,400
A little like 1 or 2 player 
because I think it may help them

1673
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:14,500
like his idea was very good but 
it wasn't like he was trying to 

1674
01:40:14,500 --> 01:40:17,400
convince me of a different 
principle of anything. 

1675
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:22,500
He and I agreed on the principle
that, you know, it's about 

1676
01:40:22,500 --> 01:40:24,600
perception and it's about 
conversation tonight. 

1677
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,300
Outpatient, all these things 
around speed and power. 

1678
01:40:28,300 --> 01:40:30,400
This is just another way to 
think about. 

1679
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,200
Actual do good idea about how 
the tea can be, you. 

1680
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:39,300
I was like, I don't hate that. 
Like, I don't hate that idea, 

1681
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,300
it's one of those anecdotal. 
Thing goes back to when you make

1682
01:40:42,300 --> 01:40:45,800
the point about anecdotes, like 
sometimes if they're rooted in 

1683
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:49,800
good ideas and principles can 
be, can be worth exploring. 

1684
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,400
You know, it was you it was your
idea. 

1685
01:40:53,500 --> 01:40:58,700
I think we were talking about a 
minute ago and I had an idea. 

1686
01:40:58,700 --> 01:41:04,600
Oh I had an idea about like 
covid in like I think covid like

1687
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,700
I'm not discrediting the 
seriousness of what covid is or 

1688
01:41:07,700 --> 01:41:13,100
was but it kind of really 
illuminated that the like the 

1689
01:41:13,108 --> 01:41:18,900
Tendencies of people to either 
follow, what the gatekeeper says

1690
01:41:18,900 --> 01:41:22,700
more look, objectively 
Information. 

1691
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:28,200
And it's like these two people 
fought on the internet all the 

1692
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:32,700
time and it's like I know what 
side I stand on. 

1693
01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:35,100
But like how did the people that
just want to follow the 

1694
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:38,100
gatekeeper and want to be 
spoon-fed information? 

1695
01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:44,400
Like How do you convince those 
people that social proof search 

1696
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,400
for your own information? 
Like you can search for like 

1697
01:41:47,900 --> 01:41:51,700
people that want to be spoon-fed
a swing versus like the people 

1698
01:41:51,700 --> 01:41:55,700
that see the information and 
like want to develop some 

1699
01:41:55,700 --> 01:41:58,600
anecdotal ideas about the 
information and chase them and 

1700
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:03,000
see where they go. 
They did the people that want to

1701
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:06,800
be spoon-fed a swing ever, 
really want to take ownership to

1702
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:10,200
explore and search. 
How do you get them to their? 

1703
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:13,100
I don't know. 
People that that like just 

1704
01:42:13,100 --> 01:42:17,500
wanted to listen to again, 
regardless of where you felt 

1705
01:42:17,500 --> 01:42:20,900
about covid, One of the data 
points that I think you can 

1706
01:42:20,900 --> 01:42:25,400
really look at is like whether 
mask work or not did a mask 

1707
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:29,100
actually work and like, The 
Gatekeepers told you that you 

1708
01:42:29,100 --> 01:42:31,600
had to do. 
It feel like the information 

1709
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:35,200
wasn't that black and white that
you had to do it. 

1710
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,100
And it's like if you disagree 
with a gatekeeper because the 

1711
01:42:38,100 --> 01:42:41,500
information is like you, you 
want people to die now. 

1712
01:42:41,700 --> 01:42:45,100
No, I believe me. 
I hate dying. 

1713
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:48,300
I hate this. 
Little subtlety is not is not 

1714
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,700
Get. 
Yeah, but like, right, it's like

1715
01:42:52,700 --> 01:42:55,400
it's the same thing with swings.
It's like you disagree with 

1716
01:42:55,900 --> 01:43:02,900
teacher man than you sucked at 
at training hitters, like, yeah.

1717
01:43:02,900 --> 01:43:05,600
But like, there's a lot of 
examples of like people that 

1718
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,100
don't swing that way and people 
that don't do that. 

1719
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:11,800
And so that's where that's where
to me. 

1720
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,700
I guess that ecological 
Dynamics, kind of bridges that 

1721
01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:19,200
Gap, maybe, but people want to 
be spoon-fed a swing. 

1722
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:21,700
Maybe, maybe they never 
disagree. 

1723
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,400
I don't know how, I don't know 
how you can watch a game or 

1724
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:32,500
listen to hitters talk and not 
even be curious about there. 

1725
01:43:32,500 --> 01:43:34,400
Actually may be more than one 
way to do this. 

1726
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:39,500
Well I mean once you actually 
start watching video, right Ru 

1727
01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:42,000
you say certain things and you 
actually go and you watch the 

1728
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:46,700
video and then you look you 
start looking your like I don't 

1729
01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:50,400
know like everybody said we 
swung down and then I remember 

1730
01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:55,200
seeing a thing of Ichiro like a 
picture that had like all the 

1731
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,700
different phases of where his 
Bat was that you're like he's 

1732
01:43:58,700 --> 01:44:04,500
not doing it right, right? 
It Rose not doing it, right. 

1733
01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:06,900
You know, but that's it. 
Caleb. 

1734
01:44:06,900 --> 01:44:09,700
This thing the other day of a 
guy talking about how he would 

1735
01:44:09,700 --> 01:44:14,400
rather have Trey Turner swing, 
then Mike Trout, swing. 

1736
01:44:15,100 --> 01:44:17,800
But this is where we are. 
This is where we are at this 

1737
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:19,900
guy. 
Actually on the internet saying 

1738
01:44:19,900 --> 01:44:24,700
he would rather have great 
earners Wing then Mike Trout. 

1739
01:44:24,900 --> 01:44:32,400
Swing like who cares about? 
Like there's wings I would just 

1740
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:34,900
rather be Mike Trout. 
Just give me everything my Trout

1741
01:44:34,900 --> 01:44:39,300
Scott. 
How he swings how he bends. 

1742
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:42,700
How he adapts? 
Give me that like why would I 

1743
01:44:42,708 --> 01:44:44,700
want to betray turn away? 
I can beat Mike Trout. 

1744
01:44:46,700 --> 01:44:50,000
But again, it's like all about 
the swing like this fascination 

1745
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,300
with the swing, The Gatekeepers 
of the swing. 

1746
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:57,700
I'm not and I'm not bagging 
Jared Diamond, he wrote the 

1747
01:44:57,708 --> 01:45:00,400
swing Kings, he sent it to me a 
copy of it. 

1748
01:45:01,500 --> 01:45:03,500
I flipped through it. 
It was fine. 

1749
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,700
I'm just not. 
I'm not worried. 

1750
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:11,400
These one idea these guys, it's 
not thought that interested in 

1751
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:16,500
that, what I'm interested in is 
like How the rising tide can 

1752
01:45:16,500 --> 01:45:19,100
lift all the boats? 
Like how to improve player 

1753
01:45:19,100 --> 01:45:21,000
performance in a variety of 
ways. 

1754
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,700
So yeah. 
I don't know how we ended up 

1755
01:45:24,700 --> 01:45:28,500
talking about covid and mask, 
that's why all those, because a 

1756
01:45:28,500 --> 01:45:31,200
good analysis. 
It can be. 

1757
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,600
I mean it's hard though for up 
for other people. 

1758
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,300
Just like I knew that this might
be an issue of playing a clip 

1759
01:45:37,300 --> 01:45:40,700
from a religious person talking 
about religious topics because 

1760
01:45:40,700 --> 01:45:43,900
it can write, it can, it can 
distract from the from the 

1761
01:45:43,907 --> 01:45:46,600
larger point, right? 
That you're making about covid 

1762
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:48,700
or not about covid. 
But but like the illustration, 

1763
01:45:48,700 --> 01:45:50,700
the analogy that you're trying 
to use and I think a lot of 

1764
01:45:50,708 --> 01:45:53,100
people going back to the clip 
that we watch it. 

1765
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,900
About how we hear certain words 
and we get triggered. 

1766
01:45:55,900 --> 01:45:58,600
And then our own biases, come in
and they Cloud. 

1767
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:01,300
So that like, so for example, 
from an ecological perspective, 

1768
01:46:01,300 --> 01:46:05,100
it's all about an information 
exchange and actually being 

1769
01:46:05,700 --> 01:46:09,100
connected to the information 
that is being exchanged, right? 

1770
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:12,200
So, You know, talking past each 
other. 

1771
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:14,800
Now we're not actually talking 
on the same topic and why does 

1772
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,500
that happen? 
So it comes back to like if 

1773
01:46:16,500 --> 01:46:19,100
we're going back to, how are we 
going to solve the problem of 

1774
01:46:19,100 --> 01:46:24,300
hitting? 
Well of the things that Paul Van

1775
01:46:24,300 --> 01:46:28,800
Der clay laid out we early on. 
When we first start talking, 

1776
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:30,400
we're going to have our stump 
speeches. 

1777
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:32,900
The things that we're really 
comfortable with part of it too.

1778
01:46:32,900 --> 01:46:35,300
That I don't think he talked 
about is sometimes it's 

1779
01:46:35,300 --> 01:46:38,100
unintentional. 
Sometimes, it's or some 

1780
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:41,500
sometimes it were unaware. 
It's subconscious of like we 

1781
01:46:41,500 --> 01:46:43,500
only want to talk about things 
that we're really comfortable 

1782
01:46:43,500 --> 01:46:45,600
with because we don't want to 
look bad in front of others. 

1783
01:46:45,700 --> 01:46:47,700
And it's not a, it's not 
something that you consciously 

1784
01:46:47,700 --> 01:46:50,200
think about. 
That's just like, a normal way 

1785
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,100
that we all operate. 
And in. 

1786
01:46:53,100 --> 01:46:55,100
So there are different things in
terms of like. 

1787
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:58,400
So for example right now, okay 
it's being recorded that's going

1788
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,600
to influence, how we're going to
talk. 

1789
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,400
Now if we turn it off or 
whatever, we may have a 

1790
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,400
different type of conversation. 
So in the same way that the 

1791
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,800
frame really sets up the 
conversation, that is going to 

1792
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,700
be had. 
And then from that over time, 

1793
01:47:12,700 --> 01:47:16,200
initially early on, we're going 
to be having our stump speeches 

1794
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:18,600
and we're going to be talking 
past each other but the more we 

1795
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:22,000
interact and the more that the 
relationship is built built in 

1796
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,000
terms of the other person is 
talking in. 

1797
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,300
Good faith. 
He's not out there. 

1798
01:47:25,300 --> 01:47:29,300
Trying to, you know, it's about 
his ego and trying to screw the 

1799
01:47:29,300 --> 01:47:32,000
other person in score points and
stuff like that. 

1800
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:36,000
Then there's potential for 
people to actually start talking

1801
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:38,300
to each other and then it 
becomes about the ideas. 

1802
01:47:38,500 --> 01:47:44,000
Because if the idea is in some 
way shape or form in form and 

1803
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:48,400
direct our attention and where 
we're going and influence, how 

1804
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:51,200
we interact with the world and 
how we interact with players, 

1805
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:55,400
how we Players Etc. 
Then then we can actually start 

1806
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:59,100
discussing that and get back to 
the whole business of what it is

1807
01:47:59,100 --> 01:48:03,000
that we're here trying to do. 
As far as, you know, helping 

1808
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,700
players and creating guys that 
absolutely mash it mash, it a 

1809
01:48:06,700 --> 01:48:08,800
high level or hit a high level, 
maybe it. 

1810
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:12,800
Maybe I want to go back to that 
because like to me hitting is 

1811
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:14,900
more than just mashing the ball 
as hard as you can. 

1812
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,700
Sometimes that that works, 
sometimes you can hit it really 

1813
01:48:17,700 --> 01:48:20,300
softly and and score runs, 
right? 

1814
01:48:20,300 --> 01:48:24,100
Get on base and create Havoc. 
It like yeah, well sure on 

1815
01:48:24,100 --> 01:48:25,100
accident. 
Whatever. 

1816
01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:27,400
Like yeah I like to think. 
Yeah. 

1817
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:30,200
Well it depends what? 
Like from a like over swing down

1818
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,300
because you pick swing. 
You know, I had. 

1819
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:36,000
We had a kid today. 
Sent me a video of a check swing

1820
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:41,000
single work. 
Well I think to check swing 

1821
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:42,600
double-o. 
You look at trout. 

1822
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:44,400
What do you have like a check 
swing triple. 

1823
01:48:44,500 --> 01:48:45,900
I mean this is this is the thing
though. 

1824
01:48:45,900 --> 01:48:48,000
It goes back to an intention 
though. 

1825
01:48:48,900 --> 01:48:55,200
But I guess for me, it's not, 
it's not an accident in the 

1826
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:59,400
sense of this is why I really 
like, Georgia Tech's, whatever 

1827
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:03,600
their Mantra wreak havoc. 
All right, if that's your 

1828
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:07,800
intention to wreak havoc, then 
that opens the door for check 

1829
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:09,400
swings. 
That opens the door for soft 

1830
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,500
hits. 
It's not saying that that's all 

1831
01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:12,900
you ever do. 
And that's your focus. 

1832
01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:16,500
No wreak havoc. 
So anything that satisfies that 

1833
01:49:16,500 --> 01:49:20,000
intention is. 
Okay and that's that's where I I

1834
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,800
go back to an ecological 
approach. 

1835
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:27,800
Frees you up for that? 
I think to ecological approach 

1836
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:34,800
and bat speed and we talked 
about all these instances where 

1837
01:49:35,500 --> 01:49:40,300
you miss hit the ball softly and
it quite some hit or check swing

1838
01:49:40,300 --> 01:49:44,200
and equates to hit this was the 
point that I tried to hammer 

1839
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:47,200
home with the High School 
coaches, that I had the team 

1840
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:52,100
with this false, like, We talked
about hitting a lot in, in like 

1841
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:58,300
singular moment, singular event.
And the only way that you can 

1842
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:04,000
really identify a player's value
is like, Let It All Play out, 

1843
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:08,700
like let the whole season play 
out, and then let's look at it, 

1844
01:50:08,700 --> 01:50:12,100
you know, I try to tell them 
like, like if we increase your 

1845
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:15,800
team's didn't mean, this is a 
simple step that I've pulled out

1846
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,600
a lot. 
If you increase your team's 

1847
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:22,300
average eggs, velocity by 5 
miles an hour, your team batting

1848
01:50:22,300 --> 01:50:27,200
average will go up 50 points. 
Roughly, that's a, that's kind 

1849
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:28,400
of broken down in Major League 
stat. 

1850
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,100
There's some gaps that are 
wider. 

1851
01:50:30,100 --> 01:50:32,800
There's some gaps in average is 
not always the best way to do 

1852
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:37,300
it, but It's pretty proven that 
if your average x velocity goes 

1853
01:50:37,300 --> 01:50:42,000
up over the course of the body 
of work your offensive, that's 

1854
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,500
are going to go up, but like we 
can't see that like you can't 

1855
01:50:46,500 --> 01:50:51,500
explain that because they can't,
they can feel I'm not again, I'm

1856
01:50:51,500 --> 01:50:54,500
not against manner. 
All these people that are online

1857
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:59,300
like I respect people more, that
are just like boots. 

1858
01:50:59,300 --> 01:51:02,700
Barry. 
Who is sharing his work more 

1859
01:51:02,700 --> 01:51:05,300
than he's going after people? 
Don't go after people. 

1860
01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:07,700
Just share your work and asking 
questions. 

1861
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:14,300
He's taking the Socratic method.
It's so powerful. but, It's 

1862
01:51:14,300 --> 01:51:19,200
easier to grasp like a singular 
swing idea, right now than it is

1863
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:22,300
to like, Let It play out because
the uncertainty of letting it 

1864
01:51:22,300 --> 01:51:26,400
play out is uncomfortable for 
people. 

1865
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,100
You know, it's uncomfortable for
our parents when they come in. 

1866
01:51:29,100 --> 01:51:31,100
It's like I'm not teaching them 
anything. 

1867
01:51:31,700 --> 01:51:35,100
So if like, I'm not learning 
anything right now, it may not 

1868
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:39,400
help me right now and it's you 
can't talk about hitting right 

1869
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:44,600
now because in One Singular at 
that, There are thousands of 

1870
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:46,300
things that could work, you 
could check swing. 

1871
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,500
You could roll over. 
Both the six hole, you can hit a

1872
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:51,600
rocket bullet day to the center 
fielder. 

1873
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:54,600
He catches it. 
You'd be out on your front foot.

1874
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:56,600
You could can't look at it that 
way. 

1875
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:59,300
You have to, you have to take 
like, what's going to make my 

1876
01:51:59,300 --> 01:52:03,300
body of work valuable And then 
like once you can get 

1877
01:52:03,300 --> 01:52:05,800
comfortable with like knowing 
what the body, how do you make 

1878
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:12,200
the body of work valuable? 
then you're okay with like, Not.

1879
01:52:14,500 --> 01:52:18,600
Teaching coaching like every 
single moment because that play 

1880
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:20,500
right there. 
It's like Kevin Parada like that

1881
01:52:20,500 --> 01:52:22,300
guy. 
Right there has the tools and 

1882
01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:24,700
ability to put together a 
phenomenal body of work. 

1883
01:52:25,700 --> 01:52:28,200
Is it? 
Is it going to look bad? 

1884
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:32,000
Sometimes short is, I mean 
that's like my baseball's hard 

1885
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:36,700
like as a fan you go and you buy
a ticket we went and watched the

1886
01:52:36,700 --> 01:52:39,400
Hawks in the Warriors. 
Play stiff, didn't play, but 

1887
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,700
like you buy a ticket for the 
Hawks in the Warriors. 

1888
01:52:43,300 --> 01:52:46,700
Steph's, probably going to put 
up 30 or Klay Thompson's 

1889
01:52:46,700 --> 01:52:49,800
probably going to put up 20, you
know, you go buy a ticket for 

1890
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:53,100
the Chiefs games, Pat Mahomes 
gonna throw for 300 and you 

1891
01:52:53,100 --> 01:52:55,400
know, he's probably gonna throw 
a no-look underhanded pass and 

1892
01:52:55,700 --> 01:52:59,500
the crowds going to and aw go to
an angel skein, buy ticket for 

1893
01:52:59,500 --> 01:53:03,700
an Angels game and you go and 
you sit down and Mike Trout 

1894
01:53:03,700 --> 01:53:07,800
could punch out three times and 
like rollover grounded out 63 

1895
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:13,300
the shortstop and Go 0 for 4, it
did look at good over for with 

1896
01:53:13,300 --> 01:53:17,900
three punches and a 63, you 
know, I remember I remember 

1897
01:53:17,900 --> 01:53:22,700
vividly, I remember vividly when
Dansby Swanson played in The 

1898
01:53:22,708 --> 01:53:25,200
College World Series remainder 
Bill. 

1899
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:28,300
He just gone number one, and, 
you know, the pressure of going 

1900
01:53:28,300 --> 01:53:30,200
number one. 
Then it goes to the Constable 

1901
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:32,100
Susan. 
I think he's like 1425. 

1902
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:36,400
And people are like, oh my gosh,
I can't believe he went number 

1903
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:39,000
one, you know? 
Why did he go number one? 

1904
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:43,600
He's hitting 025 in the college 
was least terrible. 

1905
01:53:46,300 --> 01:53:48,300
I mean, they've been watching 
for probably like two years, 

1906
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:52,600
those skills and those tools are
going to play, they know that 

1907
01:53:52,900 --> 01:53:56,700
and like look at dance me know, 
but we react to these baseball 

1908
01:53:56,700 --> 01:54:00,300
you can't react to Proud. 
So for game that you spent $300 

1909
01:54:00,300 --> 01:54:02,600
to go watch him play. 
Any went 0 for 3 with three 

1910
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:06,800
punch outs in because his tools,
his tool belt is big enough that

1911
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:09,600
like, you look at it into the 
air and he's the best player in 

1912
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:14,000
baseball year in year out. 
Not because he went over for the

1913
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,200
game that you saw. 
I mean, that's why people argue 

1914
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:20,300
about bunting because one time 
they saw bunt that were You 

1915
01:54:20,300 --> 01:54:23,500
know, and it worked it worked. 
And so there forever. 

1916
01:54:23,500 --> 01:54:25,900
Belief is yeah. 
But like you didn't see anything

1917
01:54:25,900 --> 01:54:27,400
instances. 
Are you don't draw anything. 

1918
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:30,600
This is where it didn't work. 
Not post about that Florida. 

1919
01:54:30,700 --> 01:54:33,800
Couple weeks. 
Yeah, I'm gonna bonneted and got

1920
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:36,600
me. 
Well, I mean that's the thing is

1921
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:40,700
like Point those things wrong. 
No, I mean, to your arrogant or 

1922
01:54:40,700 --> 01:54:43,300
prove my point for like these 
things don't work also. 

1923
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:46,300
Well, that's the thing is like 
in baseball. 

1924
01:54:46,300 --> 01:54:50,200
Nothing works 100%. 
And and I might be the wrong. 

1925
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,100
I might be saying this to the 
wrong person, but I'm not 

1926
01:54:52,100 --> 01:54:55,400
against bunting. 
I, there's a time and a place 

1927
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,000
for all of it. 
Get it, get it. 

1928
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:00,600
I don't this, I don't not 
understand it. 

1929
01:55:00,900 --> 01:55:05,700
I understand it. 
I even can I even can and 

1930
01:55:05,700 --> 01:55:08,400
understand like why people do 
it? 

1931
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:13,700
Just and and like they're I 
think I like to think of things 

1932
01:55:13,700 --> 01:55:18,400
in percentages and sorry. 
I like I like finding things. 

1933
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:21,400
So for instance, I'll give you 
an example. 

1934
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:27,900
I got really into, I don't, I 
don't gamble a large sums of 

1935
01:55:27,900 --> 01:55:30,900
money, but I like, but I like 
gambling because I like to find 

1936
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:33,900
odds and percentages that are in
my favor. 

1937
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:37,300
And so I was trying to we're 
talking about betting on 

1938
01:55:37,300 --> 01:55:41,500
college, basketball moneyline. 
And like looking at, you know, 

1939
01:55:41,500 --> 01:55:48,000
this team is according to the 
ESPN thing, is 91% 91% predicted

1940
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:52,200
to win this teams. 
Like 85% addicted to win and 

1941
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:57,000
this teams like 88%. 
Predicted to win you parley. 

1942
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,200
Them together. 
Probability that this hit is 

1943
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,300
like 71%. 
Am I am I comfortable getting 

1944
01:56:02,300 --> 01:56:08,400
these odds and putting $50 on a 
71 percent probability of course

1945
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:11,600
I am. 
Like of course like my odds are 

1946
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:13,800
good. 
There's 29 percent chance that I

1947
01:56:13,808 --> 01:56:17,400
may not win and certainly I 
didn't win all the time nobody 

1948
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:22,500
does but that's that's like 
bunting. it's like, It works. 

1949
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:25,900
Thirty percent of the time or 
third. 

1950
01:56:25,900 --> 01:56:27,700
I don't know, I don't know. 
The probabilities right off the 

1951
01:56:27,700 --> 01:56:30,200
top of my head, but the 
statistics are that. 

1952
01:56:30,300 --> 01:56:35,900
You're not going to score if you
but but There is the other 

1953
01:56:35,900 --> 01:56:38,700
probability like you will score.
When you bug, there's like a 

1954
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:41,500
decent probability, you will, 
but whatever you're comfortable 

1955
01:56:41,500 --> 01:56:45,000
with in that moment, that's like
how people misrepresent 

1956
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,300
analytics. 
Like it's just the information 

1957
01:56:47,300 --> 01:56:51,000
to drive a decision. 
But that's all it is. 

1958
01:56:51,300 --> 01:56:53,500
But you make your decision based
on what you feel. 

1959
01:56:53,500 --> 01:57:00,100
Just know that You know, if you 
put $50 on this, 71 percent 

1960
01:57:00,100 --> 01:57:03,500
probability of this parlay 
hitting you might lose. 

1961
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:07,600
But at 71%, it's worth playing 
that odd. 

1962
01:57:08,300 --> 01:57:11,300
And I think that's what people 
don't understand about the anti 

1963
01:57:11,300 --> 01:57:14,400
bunting, they're just playing 
the odd, that's more in the 

1964
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:18,000
favor of not bunting. 
Like, I mean, you know that 

1965
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:21,300
you're smart guy but yeah, this 
is our bunting doesn't work. 

1966
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:25,200
This is depends on the 
situation, isn't it? 

1967
01:57:25,208 --> 01:57:28,500
Depends on the situation like 
you know like a guy on second 

1968
01:57:28,500 --> 01:57:30,900
moving them to the third kind of
depends. 

1969
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:33,800
Like it's so for example like 
Arjuna bunts a lot right now 

1970
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:39,900
because we can't You know, we 
get you guys, you guys as you 

1971
01:57:39,900 --> 01:57:45,100
know like and we just KK, you 
know, twice and then maybe like 

1972
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:47,700
a short pop flying. 
You're like that's not going to 

1973
01:57:47,708 --> 01:57:49,400
get the job done. 
We need to get him to Third and 

1974
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:52,100
we'll just Bunch them to Third 
and will bunt them in like 

1975
01:57:52,100 --> 01:57:55,900
because you guys clearly can't 
get it done this other way and 

1976
01:57:55,900 --> 01:57:59,300
we need a score. 
So they comes back to the other 

1977
01:57:59,300 --> 01:58:01,100
thing that I like about bunting.
If you're just talking about 

1978
01:58:01,100 --> 01:58:04,200
playing the game I show bunt 
right now. 

1979
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:06,100
Now, all of a sudden, I bring 
the third baseman, and if you 

1980
01:58:06,100 --> 01:58:12,000
can hit the ball hard right now,
all the sudden I can now give 

1981
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:13,800
myself more of the field to work
with. 

1982
01:58:13,900 --> 01:58:16,600
I think that, you know, like 
this is where I disagree with 

1983
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:20,100
Joey, Gallo Banning the shift. 
No, man, and somebody put posted

1984
01:58:20,100 --> 01:58:24,400
like Joey Gallo bunting. 
We begrudgingly bunting for 2 

1985
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,200
minutes, straight for getting 
base hits. 

1986
01:58:26,300 --> 01:58:30,200
Some of them were also him 
scoring runs like, dude, they 

1987
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:33,600
literally shifted on you, and 
there's a guy on third base. 

1988
01:58:33,700 --> 01:58:35,400
What's your what? 
What it like this. 

1989
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:37,200
This is the thing of, like, our 
head coach. 

1990
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:39,800
And I agree with him on this 
team, baseball. 

1991
01:58:40,100 --> 01:58:42,900
And what is team baseball? 
It's about scoring runs. 

1992
01:58:42,900 --> 01:58:44,400
It's not about your average. 
Oh cool. 

1993
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:46,300
You hit a double. 
All this sort of stuff, blah, 

1994
01:58:46,308 --> 01:58:48,600
blah blah man. 
If the defense gives it to you, 

1995
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:51,200
let's take it. 
Let's score that run but it's 

1996
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:55,200
like and that's the thing of I 
get it. 

1997
01:58:56,200 --> 01:59:01,000
You know, like me and somebody 
else got into it as far as not 

1998
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:04,600
got into it, but he poked me on 
on this of like talking about, 

1999
01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:08,000
well, you know, wanting I can't 
remember what it was about, but 

2000
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:09,800
he was like, well, what if 
they're not doing it for that 

2001
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:11,500
reason? 
You know, like we talked about 

2002
01:59:11,500 --> 01:59:13,300
team baseball, but what if 
they're not there for that? 

2003
01:59:13,700 --> 01:59:15,600
What if they're there for them 
to go to the next level? 

2004
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:18,800
And, you know, it's about them, 
they want the glory and all that

2005
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:22,600
sort of stuff. 
It's like I get it, but I mean, 

2006
01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:26,300
I don't know to me at the 
highest level, you're not going 

2007
01:59:26,300 --> 01:59:29,600
to win a championship. 
If you're all about you, like 

2008
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:31,700
you can't have like nine guys 
were. 

2009
01:59:31,700 --> 01:59:34,800
It's all about them, Billy. 
It's just, not gonna, maybe you 

2010
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:37,700
can have one asshole. 
Like, I've heard, there's the 

2011
01:59:37,700 --> 01:59:42,100
one asshole rule, it can have on
a team, maybe one maybe two 

2012
01:59:42,100 --> 01:59:45,600
assholes. 
And the team can can can live 

2013
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:47,900
with that, but more than that, 
like, it just function. 

2014
01:59:47,900 --> 01:59:49,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

2015
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:53,300
And so, That's where we chose 
that goes into the conversation 

2016
01:59:53,300 --> 02:00:00,500
through of like in in in 
education with Coach about Bill,

2017
02:00:00,500 --> 02:00:04,400
Belichick written by David 
halberstam which is really, 

2018
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:07,700
really good. 
Belcheck was the defensive 

2019
02:00:07,700 --> 02:00:10,100
coordinator. 
I think for the Giants when they

2020
02:00:10,100 --> 02:00:16,100
beat the bills in the Super Bowl
and all they wanted to do was 

2021
02:00:16,100 --> 02:00:20,700
invite them who run the ball 
with Thurman Thomas. 

2022
02:00:21,100 --> 02:00:24,800
For the whole game. 
And so they gave it to them. 

2023
02:00:25,300 --> 02:00:29,300
They gave them the run and then,
you know, they would stop them 

2024
02:00:29,300 --> 02:00:30,200
on third down. 
They could score. 

2025
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:36,800
They he knew they couldn't stop,
they're passing attack and so he

2026
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:41,500
invited them to run and they 
took it every time and they lost

2027
02:00:41,500 --> 02:00:45,200
the game. 
Like, if you invite Joey Gallo 

2028
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:50,100
to bunt, you are preventing him.
You are giving up one run 

2029
02:00:50,900 --> 02:00:56,000
preventing him from scoring to 
You know, and so like I've only 

2030
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:59,000
maybe like what's the percentage
you have to play the percentages

2031
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:01,200
though. 
Like you know, how many how many

2032
02:01:01,900 --> 02:01:04,100
how many balls go out? 
What's the percentage of all 

2033
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:06,200
balls? 
That a person hits that go out? 

2034
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:10,900
Like it's not that high like 
rats where it is you would if 

2035
02:01:10,900 --> 02:01:15,000
you had What If instead of Buck 
Showalter walking Barry Bonds 

2036
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:19,200
with the bases loaded. 
Hmm, he would have liked I don't

2037
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:22,400
know put everybody in the 
Outfield and just invited him to

2038
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:25,600
hit. 
A ground ball into the infield 

2039
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:29,500
somewhere or bunt or something, 
you know, where I could have 

2040
02:01:29,500 --> 02:01:32,200
resulted in and out. 
Maybe, maybe. 

2041
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:36,000
I mean, I love that video 
though. 

2042
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,200
On a different standpoint of 
Barry Bonds. 

2043
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:40,600
I can't remember what it was 
that All-Star game or something 

2044
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:45,100
hits, a curveball, and his move 
to solve that problem. 

2045
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:48,300
It was a flyball warning track 
out, but the fact that he 

2046
02:01:48,300 --> 02:01:52,700
crushed it curveball and did 
this like, weird thing with his 

2047
02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:55,700
Feet. 
It went like this, and like 

2048
02:01:55,700 --> 02:01:58,100
that. 
And then he kind of stayed on. 

2049
02:01:58,100 --> 02:02:00,400
It was able to buy himself time 
for the ball to get to him and 

2050
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:03,400
hit it go. 
You know, that's your point but 

2051
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:06,900
at the same time, which is 
again, which is again, why pop 

2052
02:02:06,900 --> 02:02:10,600
in Bat speeds really important? 
Because you can, you can, like, 

2053
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:14,700
do that and still have enough 
bat speed in the tank from that 

2054
02:02:14,700 --> 02:02:17,600
position to be able to do that. 
It's like the ball. 

2055
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:21,400
He hits out against gagne in the
bat against the, legendary 

2056
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:24,100
at-bat against gagne, where he's
turning around. 100 mile an hour

2057
02:02:24,100 --> 02:02:27,700
fastball in his kitchen and 
gagne dumped him like a 3-2 

2058
02:02:27,700 --> 02:02:30,300
slider. 
And he kind of like a salsa to 

2059
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:35,700
out to kind of Center left 
center field off of But it's got

2060
02:02:35,700 --> 02:02:39,400
enough battery to do that from 
that position. 

2061
02:02:39,500 --> 02:02:41,900
Again, if you got back to being 
in the tank, you can do that. 

2062
02:02:44,700 --> 02:02:50,600
Well, I mean that's that's when 
I go back to The. 

2063
02:02:51,900 --> 02:02:53,200
I remember where I was going 
with it. 

2064
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:58,000
There's a talk about the bonds 
in the All-Star Game. 

2065
02:02:58,000 --> 02:02:59,800
We're talking about shifting, 
and Bunting and putting, 

2066
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:03,800
although yeah, things to do it, 
for bonds, the opportunity to 

2067
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:07,100
bunt, like, I dare you to bunt 
well, it is done. 

2068
02:03:07,700 --> 02:03:10,700
Well, I mean that some of that 
dough is like knowing how hot a 

2069
02:03:10,700 --> 02:03:12,900
player is like. 
It's different bonds is not the 

2070
02:03:12,900 --> 02:03:15,500
same person as Joey Gallo one 
time. 

2071
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:19,700
I asked Nick one time. 
I said Nick, if the guy the 

2072
02:03:19,700 --> 02:03:26,700
play, if the guy on the mound is
a plus it's a plus Is like great

2073
02:03:26,700 --> 02:03:31,700
sink plus you know, it's ground.
Ball inducement is really high, 

2074
02:03:32,100 --> 02:03:37,100
you're late in the game, the guy
the plate hits ground balls at a

2075
02:03:37,100 --> 02:03:39,500
monster rate. 
He's got a negative attack angle

2076
02:03:39,500 --> 02:03:41,200
like you have all this 
information. 

2077
02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:44,900
You got Runners on first and 
second in the last inning with 

2078
02:03:44,900 --> 02:03:46,500
nobody out. 
One out. 

2079
02:03:46,500 --> 02:03:48,900
Chances are if the guy hits it, 
it's going to be a double play. 

2080
02:03:48,900 --> 02:03:52,100
Do you bunt him? 
Niggas like no way. 

2081
02:03:52,500 --> 02:03:55,500
Like I think I do Nick. 
Like I think I really do because

2082
02:03:55,500 --> 02:03:59,000
I would rather give up one out 
then to, in this in this 

2083
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:02,400
scenario, right? 
I know chances are going this is

2084
02:04:02,407 --> 02:04:05,700
where odds come in with all the 
information that I have and the 

2085
02:04:05,708 --> 02:04:08,900
analytics that I have to answer 
probably pretty high. 

2086
02:04:08,900 --> 02:04:13,000
This guy's going to hit a ground
ball to get What is a ground 

2087
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:15,100
ball to the second baseman? 
Shortstop, we have two outs 

2088
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:19,000
instead of one which is where 
one out is way better. 

2089
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:21,700
Yes. 
Well that's where I can play in 

2090
02:04:21,700 --> 02:04:24,500
playing some of the scenarios 
that you would like if we just 

2091
02:04:24,500 --> 02:04:29,500
play this out a little bit, Joey
Gallo different than bonds bonds

2092
02:04:29,500 --> 02:04:32,600
has the ability to spray the 
ball and hit it hard to all 

2093
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:34,200
Fields. 
What? 

2094
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:41,300
Okay so to Gallo far well and 
then and then to like, A single,

2095
02:04:41,300 --> 02:04:42,700
right? 
Let's say you went with the 

2096
02:04:42,700 --> 02:04:44,000
scenario. 
You put all the guys in the 

2097
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:46,900
Outfield, okay? 
A ground ball to the Outfield 

2098
02:04:46,900 --> 02:04:50,400
can score two runs like we see 
this all the time in the pros 

2099
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:51,200
around Bali. 
Outfield. 

2100
02:04:51,200 --> 02:04:54,600
Two runs score is like those 
guys are generally speaking. 

2101
02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:57,100
Those guys are fast off of 
second base, see it through. 

2102
02:04:57,100 --> 02:04:59,900
I like let me literally then it 
changes the strategy. 

2103
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,700
Guys in the feel like you got 
first and second or even Bases, 

2104
02:05:02,700 --> 02:05:04,200
Loaded, boom. 
Ball on the ground. 

2105
02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:07,100
You're Off to the Races. 
Like it's you only have to think

2106
02:05:07,100 --> 02:05:08,200
about it. 
You're gone. 

2107
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:12,400
And, and so then to me, whereas 
A bunt and it's just, maybe 

2108
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:14,900
shifted. 
Okay, maybe that's one run with 

2109
02:05:14,900 --> 02:05:18,400
a first and second or so, sorry.
Second and third, or here's, 

2110
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:20,500
here's another thing that can 
open up to Joey Gallo. 

2111
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,600
They shift on him like that. 
What if you figure out how to 

2112
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:26,500
push? 
But push bunt, it pretty hard 

2113
02:05:26,700 --> 02:05:28,600
Third Base. 
Burn the third baseman. 

2114
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:30,800
Now, you get a double out of 
that, you know what I mean? 

2115
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:34,000
Like, What if double bunts were 
a thing? 

2116
02:05:34,900 --> 02:05:40,400
Like that would just be because 
this is to me where it's like, 

2117
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:43,700
no don't ban the shift so much 
more interesting things in the 

2118
02:05:43,700 --> 02:05:46,100
game could happen. 
That would just blow your mind 

2119
02:05:46,100 --> 02:05:48,900
that you would think like that 
just shouldn't happen. 

2120
02:05:48,900 --> 02:05:52,000
But now because you're doing 
these weird things, it now opens

2121
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:54,500
up in a Ford's new ways of 
playing the game. 

2122
02:05:54,500 --> 02:05:56,300
That could be really, really 
interesting. 

2123
02:05:56,500 --> 02:06:00,900
This is where I like to me the 
Japanese because they're artists

2124
02:06:00,900 --> 02:06:02,100
right? 
The martial artists. 

2125
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:04,800
Like there is this more part of 
their culture. 

2126
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:10,600
They actually liked bunting they
had like a whole like game to 

2127
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:14,100
move into it and you're just 
like okay then you have Ichiro 

2128
02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:18,100
who's like I could hit home runs
but I think it's harder and more

2129
02:06:18,100 --> 02:06:22,000
fun to hit. 
Singles are like okay but you're

2130
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:25,800
always you know what I mean? 
Like yeah, he showed a 

2131
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:30,400
completely different side to the
game and this is where I'm not 

2132
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:32,500
opposed to all this stuff that 
we're talking about bats. 

2133
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:33,600
And all this sort of stuff, 
right? 

2134
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:34,900
This is where it goes back to 
again. 

2135
02:06:34,900 --> 02:06:36,100
Good faith. 
Argument some people. 

2136
02:06:36,100 --> 02:06:38,400
They just have an agenda. 
It's like, no, I want like let's

2137
02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:41,000
put all this on the table. 
Let's have a conversation. 

2138
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:44,100
And like this is the one thing 
that I took away from inning by 

2139
02:06:44,100 --> 02:06:46,700
inning, with Augie garrido in 
terms of what somebody said 

2140
02:06:46,700 --> 02:06:48,200
about. 
It's like, here's this game of 

2141
02:06:48,200 --> 02:06:50,400
baseball and let me make it more
beautiful for you. 

2142
02:06:50,500 --> 02:06:53,500
I'm like that's a great 
mentality like and why I like 

2143
02:06:53,500 --> 02:06:56,900
ecological Dynamics because I 
think it, it makes the game way 

2144
02:06:56,900 --> 02:07:00,100
more beautiful, way more 
interesting, way more cool. 

2145
02:07:00,700 --> 02:07:01,800
Way more. 
Awesome. 

2146
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:07,300
For sure. 
No, good morning. 

2147
02:07:07,400 --> 02:07:10,100
I mean I have two kids and a son
and a daughter. 

2148
02:07:10,100 --> 02:07:12,500
And the mortgage think the game 
is the better. 

2149
02:07:12,700 --> 02:07:14,900
You know, I want them to like 
it. 

2150
02:07:14,900 --> 02:07:18,900
I want them to play it, yada 
yada yada, but yeah, but he 

2151
02:07:18,900 --> 02:07:21,600
goes, I mean to have this 
conversation about gallo and it 

2152
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:27,300
It goes to players like Juan 
again, it goes to coaches 

2153
02:07:27,300 --> 02:07:33,200
wanting to connect the dots 
between the, you know, the gate 

2154
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:36,200
just being spoon fed 
information, Gatekeepers versus 

2155
02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:41,500
the search and experimentation 
of information, it go. 

2156
02:07:41,500 --> 02:07:47,700
It will go to players. 
Wanting to build a better tool 

2157
02:07:47,700 --> 02:07:52,800
belt. 
You know, it would I got have a 

2158
02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:59,000
hard time believing that the 
organism that is Joey gallo. 

2159
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,500
In the right in past in the 
right environment with the right

2160
02:08:03,500 --> 02:08:08,300
tools as hypersensitive and as 
good as he is, as athletic as he

2161
02:08:08,300 --> 02:08:09,100
is. 
Hmm. 

2162
02:08:09,300 --> 02:08:11,800
But it developed a more robust 
tool belt. 

2163
02:08:12,100 --> 02:08:16,400
Like couldn't develop the 
ability to improve his back to 

2164
02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:18,900
ball skills. 
Hit balls the other way, you 

2165
02:08:18,900 --> 02:08:22,500
know, but balls drag bunt balls,
first pitch? 

2166
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:26,600
No first pitch, you know, 
fastball whatever he could just 

2167
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:31,100
like do something with it. 
If He practicing was afforded, 

2168
02:08:31,100 --> 02:08:33,600
the opportunities in environment
to do that. 

2169
02:08:35,100 --> 02:08:36,900
I mean, I believe he's a bill 
player. 

2170
02:08:36,900 --> 02:08:39,200
Why would he not have the 
ability to do this? 

2171
02:08:39,400 --> 02:08:43,300
Yeah. 
Yeah, he could do, it could want

2172
02:08:43,300 --> 02:08:45,700
to do, you know? 
I don't know. 

2173
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:50,700
I don't know. 
You know, it's like it's like if

2174
02:08:50,700 --> 02:08:54,300
we want to cut down, strike out 
in the big leagues and we got to

2175
02:08:54,300 --> 02:08:57,600
make the practice environment 
part, which again you're dealing

2176
02:08:57,600 --> 02:09:02,500
with guys and people listen to 
this podcast to probably never 

2177
02:09:02,500 --> 02:09:04,200
really interacted with a pro 
player. 

2178
02:09:04,200 --> 02:09:07,100
Not. 
But your mean, if you have, you 

2179
02:09:07,100 --> 02:09:11,300
understand that like, The 
confidence is kind of bravado, 

2180
02:09:11,300 --> 02:09:15,800
it takes to get to that level. 
They're like really hard to talk

2181
02:09:15,800 --> 02:09:21,000
to because they can't really 
tell them anything because their

2182
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:25,000
self belief is off the charts, 
because it has to be gears that 

2183
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:28,100
belief to get to that level has 
to be off, guard has to be. 

2184
02:09:28,900 --> 02:09:32,200
And so to say, man, like I think
that we can improve your 

2185
02:09:32,200 --> 02:09:34,300
basketball skills. 
We just made your training 

2186
02:09:34,300 --> 02:09:37,700
environment harder which is 
going to invite you to fail more

2187
02:09:37,700 --> 02:09:41,500
in this but But it's going to 
improve your batch of all skills

2188
02:09:41,500 --> 02:09:44,000
Fillmore in. 
You, you develop this a more 

2189
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:46,000
robust ability to do these 
things. 

2190
02:09:47,900 --> 02:09:49,800
It's like the uncertainty of the
whole picture. 

2191
02:09:49,900 --> 02:09:52,300
Like I don't know, man. 
I'd rather just like do what I 

2192
02:09:52,300 --> 02:09:55,200
do because I got here and I 
don't want to mess this up 

2193
02:09:55,200 --> 02:09:58,200
because it's a pretty good deal.
Don't blame you for that. 

2194
02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:05,300
But like it's kind of the, its 
kind of the Like the Russian 

2195
02:10:05,300 --> 02:10:09,500
Roulette of baseball. 
Think it's going to end. 

2196
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:12,900
Like it's going to end. 
So I think if people understood 

2197
02:10:12,900 --> 02:10:16,800
that fact, it's like number one,
you everybody sucked. 

2198
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:18,800
Okay. 
Some people just suck less than 

2199
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:22,700
other people, but everybody's 
back in hitting everybody's 

2200
02:10:22,700 --> 02:10:24,600
back. 
Your challenge is just to be 

2201
02:10:24,600 --> 02:10:30,500
less pain and so challenging 
practice, like help you be less 

2202
02:10:30,500 --> 02:10:32,400
bad, but it's going to make you 
look bad. 

2203
02:10:33,200 --> 02:10:36,900
You know into like it's going to
be over the what what what is 

2204
02:10:36,900 --> 02:10:40,600
the drawback of taking chances? 
It's going to be over, you know 

2205
02:10:40,600 --> 02:10:44,800
what is what is the drawback of 
like Pushing your cards all into

2206
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:46,000
this head into the middle of the
table. 

2207
02:10:46,100 --> 02:10:48,600
Like what's the drawback going 
to be over anyway? 

2208
02:10:49,700 --> 02:10:53,800
Do maybe you extend your career.
Through your for five more 

2209
02:10:53,800 --> 02:10:56,800
years. 
Maybe you extend your journey 

2210
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:59,900
from high school to college, 
maybe you in your journey from 

2211
02:10:59,900 --> 02:11:02,500
JV to Varsity, you weren't a 
varsity player. 

2212
02:11:02,900 --> 02:11:06,400
I mean, I had a kid like that he
wasn't a varsity player, it was 

2213
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:07,600
nice. 
Going to sit on the end of The 

2214
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:09,700
Varsity. 
Pink came in as a 9th grader, 

2215
02:11:10,100 --> 02:11:12,500
with an exit velocity of like, 
60 miles an hour. 

2216
02:11:13,900 --> 02:11:17,300
He's a junior now and he's like 
playing darting and getting to 

2217
02:11:17,300 --> 02:11:22,500
play. 
Because he took chance, he took 

2218
02:11:22,500 --> 02:11:25,600
a risk chance like made himself 
a better player. 

2219
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:28,100
I think everybody should have 
broached that one. 

2220
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:32,100
You know, I think everybody 
should approach most things in 

2221
02:11:32,100 --> 02:11:34,700
life that way because it's going
to be over. 

2222
02:11:35,500 --> 02:11:37,400
What are the chances of being? 
What are the woods? 

2223
02:11:37,400 --> 02:11:39,300
What's the difference of being 
right and wrong? 

2224
02:11:40,200 --> 02:11:41,700
You know, it's going to end 
anyway. 

2225
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,200
So you took some changes in you 
were wrong. 

2226
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:48,400
Oh well. 
Well, I mean it's that whole 

2227
02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:53,100
thing that that Donnie occur 
likes to say practice dirty to 

2228
02:11:53,100 --> 02:11:56,200
play clean. 
I mean to me practice who nobody

2229
02:11:56,300 --> 02:12:01,100
nobody is there watching. 
Generally, speaking 8 know, even

2230
02:12:01,100 --> 02:12:03,800
even if the media is, there are 
your ears are there. 

2231
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:09,100
You know, next thing ya years 
are there and so you know like 

2232
02:12:09,100 --> 02:12:13,600
like I could tell when we could 
use polish but we can use like 

2233
02:12:13,600 --> 02:12:16,300
Bryce Harper, like Bryce Harper 
wants to look Look like a 

2234
02:12:16,300 --> 02:12:23,500
buffoon, you know, in the cage 
before the game in front of the 

2235
02:12:23,500 --> 02:12:26,300
rookies or even in the 
offseason, like Bryce Harper 

2236
02:12:26,300 --> 02:12:28,500
wants to come to a cage with 
college players and look like a 

2237
02:12:28,508 --> 02:12:34,000
total buffoon. 
Yeah I get that but that's the 

2238
02:12:34,008 --> 02:12:37,200
thing with like minor league but
you can't get minor. 

2239
02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:39,600
Leaguers practicing hard 
environments in front of people 

2240
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:42,200
you can't. 
They don't want to look like 

2241
02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:47,300
total crap front of regular 
people, they don't I get it rid 

2242
02:12:47,300 --> 02:12:50,100
of minor Leaguer wondering you 
want and wanted to hit off the 

2243
02:12:50,108 --> 02:12:52,700
machine and just struggled he 
could get out fast enough. 

2244
02:12:53,900 --> 02:12:55,700
Yeah, no. 
I mean but that's a thing of 

2245
02:12:55,700 --> 02:12:58,300
like how do we help? 
How do we help guys have like a 

2246
02:12:58,308 --> 02:13:00,200
stronger mentally? 
I think it comes back to. 

2247
02:13:00,700 --> 02:13:04,100
This is the other thing of why 
is it that players are resistant

2248
02:13:04,100 --> 02:13:06,300
to change this different, all 
this different stuff. 

2249
02:13:06,300 --> 02:13:09,100
It's like, it's the going back 
to what we talked about earlier.

2250
02:13:09,300 --> 02:13:12,800
The frame problem, like how 
they're looking at the game. 

2251
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:15,200
They just don't understand in 
my, at least to me. 

2252
02:13:15,900 --> 02:13:17,300
Okay. 
If I present it to you you 

2253
02:13:17,300 --> 02:13:21,200
understand it and you go. 
Nah, nah, then it's like, okay. 

2254
02:13:21,300 --> 02:13:23,500
At least you write informed 
consent. 

2255
02:13:23,700 --> 02:13:25,000
Right? 
If we're going back to the covid

2256
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:27,300
stuff, informed consent. 
At least you understood. 

2257
02:13:27,300 --> 02:13:29,200
And you rejected it because you 
understood. 

2258
02:13:29,200 --> 02:13:34,000
But, you know, to me when you 
actually understand and come 

2259
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:35,700
back to like, well what is the 
game? 

2260
02:13:35,900 --> 02:13:38,400
What is this game that if you 
want to keep playing and playing

2261
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:40,000
at a high level? 
If you can figure out what the 

2262
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:43,000
game is and I know there's 
multiple different games being 

2263
02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:45,900
played, right? 
There's the game itself and then

2264
02:13:45,900 --> 02:13:50,300
there is how an organization 
looks at the game and how they 

2265
02:13:50,300 --> 02:13:53,800
understand the game and how they
value, you based upon their And 

2266
02:13:53,900 --> 02:13:57,800
this is to those are two 
separate games, but if you just 

2267
02:13:57,800 --> 02:14:01,200
understand like the baseball 
game side of it, like what you 

2268
02:14:01,200 --> 02:14:06,400
got to do to be successful. 
I mean, it's much broader. 

2269
02:14:06,500 --> 02:14:08,800
I think that's the thing that I 
want to say is much broader than

2270
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:11,200
most people. 
They actually have a limited 

2271
02:14:11,200 --> 02:14:15,700
view that restricts them and to 
me it's like no we you need to 

2272
02:14:15,700 --> 02:14:20,200
discover the full. 
The full length, or the full 

2273
02:14:20,200 --> 02:14:23,400
breadth of what the game is. 
And that gives you so many more 

2274
02:14:23,400 --> 02:14:27,000
options, like, you don't get to 
so many people get pissed off. 

2275
02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:28,800
I hit it bad. 
Well, did you hit it where they 

2276
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:31,800
weren't? 
Yeah, you get on base. 

2277
02:14:31,800 --> 02:14:34,900
Yeah, right then chill out. 
It's fine. 

2278
02:14:35,700 --> 02:14:40,200
You know, like you don't have to
I made this analogy to our 

2279
02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:42,100
players because they're getting 
pissed and they're like hitting 

2280
02:14:42,100 --> 02:14:44,500
the ball decently. 
Well, it's like and just 

2281
02:14:44,500 --> 02:14:45,800
struggling and maybe a little 
bit. 

2282
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:48,700
I'm like, guys. 
This game is so hard and you're 

2283
02:14:48,700 --> 02:14:50,900
going in there. 
Like you're a fighter and 

2284
02:14:50,900 --> 02:14:52,900
getting pissed off that you 
didn't knock the guy out with 

2285
02:14:52,900 --> 02:14:56,100
every single punch. 
You threw like, dude, play the 

2286
02:14:56,100 --> 02:14:58,200
game like you, do you understand
a fight? 

2287
02:14:58,200 --> 02:14:59,500
You're just not every single 
punch. 

2288
02:14:59,500 --> 02:15:03,200
You throw as a knockout punch. 
Like sometimes you hit him in 

2289
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:05,800
the ribs or whatever and you're 
like, you're playing the game. 

2290
02:15:05,800 --> 02:15:09,000
You're each at-bat. 
At least to me is like, don't 

2291
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:11,100
think that? 
Oh, I struck out there. 

2292
02:15:11,200 --> 02:15:13,200
Did you learn something? 
Did you get a little bit better?

2293
02:15:13,200 --> 02:15:15,600
You're getting your timing down 
because you're going to use that

2294
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:17,000
information. 
It's going to go into the next 

2295
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:19,200
step. 
Set it up just in the way like 

2296
02:15:19,200 --> 02:15:22,900
your boxing, like you set things
up, like you sometimes do 

2297
02:15:22,900 --> 02:15:25,300
things, you might lose this 
round, or this little 

2298
02:15:25,300 --> 02:15:28,000
interaction, so that you can win
the next one. 

2299
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:33,600
If you like that's to me, where 
guys just don't understand and 

2300
02:15:33,600 --> 02:15:35,300
they view it like you were 
talking about, they're not 

2301
02:15:35,300 --> 02:15:37,300
looking at the whole body of 
work, they don't understand the 

2302
02:15:37,300 --> 02:15:40,200
full game there. 
So stuck in the little moment 

2303
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:42,000
game in, like, oh, I have to win
this one. 

2304
02:15:42,100 --> 02:15:45,500
Yeah, I mean you should but if 
you don't, can you still gain 

2305
02:15:45,500 --> 02:15:47,300
and and set you up to be 
successful? 

2306
02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:51,700
Us fall in the next one. 
Please for me, it's a it's a 

2307
02:15:51,708 --> 02:15:53,700
frame problem for a lot of 
players. 

2308
02:15:53,700 --> 02:15:56,700
They don't understand the full 
game and I need to get better at

2309
02:15:56,700 --> 02:15:59,100
figuring out, like, how can I 
help with that? 

2310
02:15:59,100 --> 02:16:01,500
Because I actually think 
poachers are back to what we 

2311
02:16:01,508 --> 02:16:03,600
talked about before. 
Coaches are probably part of the

2312
02:16:03,600 --> 02:16:05,600
problem. 
It's the frames that they put on

2313
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:09,400
the players and then the players
eventually includes me. 

2314
02:16:10,300 --> 02:16:12,200
That includes me and you also 
yes. 

2315
02:16:12,200 --> 02:16:14,400
No. 100 years, not? 
Yes, yes, looting. 

2316
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:17,300
Our self from the right? 
Yes, I am part of the problem. 

2317
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:19,800
Well, not should be less of a 
problem. 

2318
02:16:20,100 --> 02:16:25,700
My old daily goal like can I be 
less of a problem and it takes 

2319
02:16:25,700 --> 02:16:29,900
humility to recognize that. 
I think a lot of coaches don't 

2320
02:16:29,900 --> 02:16:31,700
have the humility, like his, 
right? 

2321
02:16:31,700 --> 02:16:33,200
We're back to the whole thing 
that you said before the 

2322
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:36,900
security blanket. 
Like I need to feel as though 

2323
02:16:36,900 --> 02:16:40,100
I'm actually helping because if 
I don't like now I'm going to 

2324
02:16:40,100 --> 02:16:44,000
beat myself up. 
I this is where for me it's like

2325
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:47,200
look in our head coach said this
and I want to say this to like 

2326
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:49,700
look, you're going to have to 
perform in spite of me. 

2327
02:16:50,400 --> 02:16:53,100
You're going to like I'm going 
to tell you things that are not 

2328
02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:55,900
going to work, they're going to 
hurt you and be bad for your 

2329
02:16:55,900 --> 02:16:58,100
career and you're going to have 
to perform in spite of that. 

2330
02:16:58,100 --> 02:17:01,200
But every coach and I mean 
because it's true of all of us 

2331
02:17:01,299 --> 02:17:03,200
player included. 
They're going to be things that 

2332
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:04,600
you're going to try. 
They're going to hurt your 

2333
02:17:04,600 --> 02:17:08,500
career and just mentalities 
things, whatever, and the coach 

2334
02:17:08,500 --> 02:17:09,799
same way. 
So you're going to have to 

2335
02:17:09,799 --> 02:17:12,900
overcome all of that. 
But there's also going to be 

2336
02:17:12,907 --> 02:17:14,700
things in there that are going 
to help you. 

2337
02:17:14,900 --> 02:17:16,799
So what you're going to throw 
out all this stuff. 

2338
02:17:16,799 --> 02:17:19,299
Well then you throw it yourself 
and your throat other people 

2339
02:17:19,299 --> 02:17:23,000
trying to help you. 
Like you have to, you have to 

2340
02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:26,299
develop a system by which you 
can discern. 

2341
02:17:27,400 --> 02:17:29,100
What is useful absorb what is 
useful? 

2342
02:17:29,100 --> 02:17:31,500
Discard what is not add? 
What is uniquely your own? 

2343
02:17:31,500 --> 02:17:35,299
Do you know, to quote Bruce Lee,
if you have to have some sort of

2344
02:17:35,400 --> 02:17:38,000
system, some sort of a process 
by which you can filter. 

2345
02:17:40,100 --> 02:17:41,799
Right. 
I think that goes from just 

2346
02:17:42,100 --> 02:17:46,100
general understanding of What 
are the what are the principles 

2347
02:17:46,100 --> 02:17:48,200
of the matter? 
What are the principles of the 

2348
02:17:48,208 --> 02:17:51,000
matter? 
And then, you know, built our 

2349
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:54,100
information through that like 
actual information? 

2350
02:17:54,600 --> 02:17:59,600
Like not, I mean, maybe 
anecdotes because like you said 

2351
02:17:59,600 --> 02:18:02,200
any of those can sometimes be 
useful if it agrees with the 

2352
02:18:02,200 --> 02:18:06,700
principal Well and to exploring 
the other thing to on the 

2353
02:18:06,700 --> 02:18:09,200
principal side of it this is to 
me a principle. 

2354
02:18:10,400 --> 02:18:12,900
You should test every principle 
to see. 

2355
02:18:12,900 --> 02:18:15,500
Does it actually hold up? 
Because as you big, get those 

2356
02:18:15,500 --> 02:18:18,900
little anecdotes while anecdotes
that pile up over time become 

2357
02:18:18,900 --> 02:18:22,200
like a large body of evidence 
and then you may have to. 

2358
02:18:22,299 --> 02:18:24,799
So then you begin to understand.
Well, how does the principal 

2359
02:18:24,799 --> 02:18:26,700
live and exist in the in the 
world? 

2360
02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:30,500
Is it just purely theoretical? 
And it was just a, you know, a 

2361
02:18:30,500 --> 02:18:34,200
pie in the sky Ivory Tower 
concept that has no Basis in 

2362
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:38,000
reality is just like a nice, you
know, intellectually consistent 

2363
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:39,900
thing. 
But it's not how reality 

2364
02:18:39,900 --> 02:18:43,200
actually works because to me, 
that's where reality is the best

2365
02:18:44,100 --> 02:18:47,299
teacher in the sense of like, 
that's where all the truth, 

2366
02:18:47,299 --> 02:18:49,799
actually lies. 
A lot of this stuff is 

2367
02:18:49,799 --> 02:18:51,600
theoretical but we, that's what 
to me. 

2368
02:18:51,600 --> 02:18:52,799
You always should take the 
theories. 

2369
02:18:52,799 --> 02:18:54,000
You're like, hey, this makes 
sense. 

2370
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:55,900
Let's cool. 
Let's go take it into the lab. 

2371
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:57,700
Let's test it out. 
Let's apply it. 

2372
02:18:57,900 --> 02:18:59,700
Let's see how much at least to 
me. 

2373
02:18:59,700 --> 02:19:02,100
How much does it? 
Hold water like everything. 

2374
02:19:02,100 --> 02:19:03,500
That's the whole reason I have 
this conversation. 

2375
02:19:03,600 --> 02:19:06,400
Ation with you and for you to 
disagree with me as like how 

2376
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:08,900
good are these ideas? 
Do they actually hold water? 

2377
02:19:10,200 --> 02:19:14,000
For sure. 
No, no, I'm totally with you and

2378
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:18,299
I think you can be good. 
I work by myself a lot. 

2379
02:19:18,299 --> 02:19:20,400
I know, you know, I'm I'm by 
myself. 

2380
02:19:20,400 --> 02:19:24,000
So I've become quite good at 
like questioning my own ideas, 

2381
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:27,100
you know. 
And and I think that can be a 

2382
02:19:27,100 --> 02:19:30,500
tool for a lot of coaches, like,
question yourself question. 

2383
02:19:30,500 --> 02:19:34,000
What, you know, you know, I 
think they coaches say, well, I 

2384
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:39,100
can't, because I can't appear as
less than whatever to my play. 

2385
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:41,600
Layers, which is fine, which is 
fire. 

2386
02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:45,000
Your challenges is a coach or 
greater greater than that. 

2387
02:19:45,700 --> 02:19:48,400
You know. 
If anything, you know, I don't 

2388
02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:50,200
know. 
I don't know. 

2389
02:19:50,200 --> 02:19:54,100
Tony vital. 
Oh, my sister works at UT is 

2390
02:19:54,100 --> 02:19:55,500
athletic director at UT. 
I don't know. 

2391
02:19:55,500 --> 02:19:56,800
Tony. 
Vital of never met him. 

2392
02:19:58,200 --> 02:20:04,900
But what appears to be true in 
how they play and how they is 

2393
02:20:04,900 --> 02:20:11,100
that, he empowers them to be 
confident in who they are and in

2394
02:20:11,100 --> 02:20:15,600
like comfortable in their own 
skin enough to play the game in 

2395
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:18,900
a way that they're not 
questioning themselves all the 

2396
02:20:18,900 --> 02:20:23,600
time. 
And so what you see culminate is

2397
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:27,400
way more important than anything
he could ever do or say or Or 

2398
02:20:27,500 --> 02:20:32,000
adjust or feel stretched easily 
or fundamentally or whatever he 

2399
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:34,300
just like in powers. 
Like that's his most important 

2400
02:20:34,300 --> 02:20:37,700
job. 
It's like and you Empower your 

2401
02:20:37,700 --> 02:20:39,900
plate. 
Be confident in their own skin 

2402
02:20:40,300 --> 02:20:44,800
and I think coaches missed that.
There's so many layers to be a 

2403
02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:48,000
coach. 
It's like Yeah, you got good 

2404
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,400
players. 
So part of your job is to make 

2405
02:20:49,400 --> 02:20:52,800
them good and then Empower them 
to play at whatever Peak 

2406
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:57,900
Performance. 
And then, you know, Challenge 

2407
02:20:57,900 --> 02:21:00,400
them to question what they are 
doing or what I mean. 

2408
02:21:00,400 --> 02:21:04,200
That's I think that's what I do 
to do well with players. 

2409
02:21:04,200 --> 02:21:08,000
It's like I challenge you to 
question and coaches to. 

2410
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:10,400
I mean, Chase with tell you this
people that have been around me 

2411
02:21:10,400 --> 02:21:13,900
and worked with me in the eyes. 
Like you may be right but I will

2412
02:21:13,900 --> 02:21:18,500
make you think about it. 
Like I'll make you think about 

2413
02:21:18,500 --> 02:21:24,100
your position like are you sure?
I agree with you but why are you

2414
02:21:24,100 --> 02:21:26,400
sure that what you just said is 
right, or true? 

2415
02:21:27,300 --> 02:21:30,000
You know, I feel that way with 
players to players who say 

2416
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:34,900
things and I'll say, you know, 
are you sure like why? 

2417
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:36,400
Why? 
And then they have to defend 

2418
02:21:36,400 --> 02:21:39,500
their position. 
Okay, we can go with that. 

2419
02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:45,300
Because I don't long as you play
good, I don't care, right? 

2420
02:21:45,400 --> 02:21:47,700
But if you're not playing good 
then we have to ask question. 

2421
02:21:49,900 --> 02:21:52,300
And that's that's where it's 
hard for hitters though, right? 

2422
02:21:52,300 --> 02:21:54,600
You hit a couple ground balls or
you strike out and you're like 

2423
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:58,800
well that didn't work. 
You can be right back to the 

2424
02:21:58,808 --> 02:22:01,100
whole thing of you like let's 
look at a whole body of work. 

2425
02:22:01,100 --> 02:22:03,700
I don't know what that number is
like, that's where it becomes 

2426
02:22:03,700 --> 02:22:06,100
really hard. 
You know, this year, we've only 

2427
02:22:06,100 --> 02:22:10,400
played, I think I don't even 
know if we're at might be be at 

2428
02:22:10,400 --> 02:22:14,100
like 20 games right now. 
Like it's really hard, some guys

2429
02:22:14,100 --> 02:22:17,400
numbers started to pick up a few
weeks ago and then, you know, we

2430
02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:19,700
played it a tough team, some 
numbers held. 

2431
02:22:19,700 --> 02:22:21,600
Okay. 
And then other guys like their 

2432
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:25,200
numbers drop way down again. 
It's like, I mean, I don't even 

2433
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:27,600
know if anybody. 
I don't think anybody has 100 

2434
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:29,900
at-bats. 
We might, but somebody might be 

2435
02:22:29,900 --> 02:22:33,400
closer to honor plate 
appearances but like that's, 

2436
02:22:33,700 --> 02:22:37,600
that's rough. 
I think that's the thing though 

2437
02:22:37,600 --> 02:22:40,600
that goes into, like 
information. 

2438
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:44,900
And what coaches use? 
You know what coaches used is, 

2439
02:22:45,100 --> 02:22:51,500
is to justify their decision to 
stay with a guy, or is it maybe 

2440
02:22:51,500 --> 02:22:54,100
they use game information, maybe
these stats from the fall in the

2441
02:22:54,108 --> 02:22:55,800
belief that they think the kid 
can hit. 

2442
02:22:55,800 --> 02:22:57,200
So they're going to stay with 
him. 

2443
02:22:58,600 --> 02:23:04,000
You practice information. 
Wrap Soto hit track blast. 

2444
02:23:04,300 --> 02:23:07,700
He shows these plus qualities, 
we're going to stay with him, 

2445
02:23:07,800 --> 02:23:09,700
these bad ball. 
Tendencies were going to stay 

2446
02:23:09,700 --> 02:23:12,100
with him because if that we 
think we can Empower and him, he

2447
02:23:12,100 --> 02:23:14,900
can get, he can get himself into
the right mental space. 

2448
02:23:15,200 --> 02:23:17,000
He's got the tools inability to 
do it. 

2449
02:23:17,500 --> 02:23:19,800
We that that's, you know, that 
was one of the things that for 

2450
02:23:19,800 --> 02:23:24,400
me, was illuminated early on 
whenever started using a lot of 

2451
02:23:24,400 --> 02:23:27,600
Technology, like there a lot of 
swings that are good enough. 

2452
02:23:28,900 --> 02:23:31,600
It just good enough like your 
swing is good enough. 

2453
02:23:32,100 --> 02:23:37,000
Now let's go try to Break it in 
as many ways possible. 

2454
02:23:37,800 --> 02:23:39,200
That's what the game is trying 
to do. 

2455
02:23:39,400 --> 02:23:42,400
You know, that's what's great 
about inventing thing. 

2456
02:23:43,100 --> 02:23:47,600
You know, if you want to invent 
things, Like the spinner, you 

2457
02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:49,800
know, and then spare, a building
arm care tool. 

2458
02:23:50,300 --> 02:23:54,100
It's been reiterated 10 times 
because people broke it in 

2459
02:23:54,100 --> 02:23:56,200
interesting ways that I wasn't 
thinking about. 

2460
02:23:57,100 --> 02:23:59,300
Do you have to go back and you 
have to look at what you did? 

2461
02:23:59,300 --> 02:24:02,600
And it's like, okay well we'll 
fix will make this better. 

2462
02:24:03,400 --> 02:24:06,900
If you never break your swing or
your approach in. 

2463
02:24:07,700 --> 02:24:11,800
You never never gets broken. 
Then you should never get the, 

2464
02:24:11,800 --> 02:24:13,100
you never get the opportunity to
fix it. 

2465
02:24:13,900 --> 02:24:16,000
You should be trying to break 
it, right? 

2466
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:19,100
I got a lot. 
I think this goes back to what 

2467
02:24:19,100 --> 02:24:22,100
you're talking about to with 
ideas like in our Concepts and 

2468
02:24:22,100 --> 02:24:24,000
whatnot. 
Like, for example, things won't 

2469
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:26,600
work and then Everett somebody 
be just like, oh it's garbage. 

2470
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:30,000
Just Touch Chuck. 
It I'm like no yeah if the 

2471
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:32,500
premises were good and you need 
to go back and analyze. 

2472
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:35,500
What about what I did? 
You know? 

2473
02:24:36,100 --> 02:24:37,700
Like you have to, you have to 
examine it. 

2474
02:24:37,700 --> 02:24:41,300
Maybe if I tweak some things, 
then it will actually work the 

2475
02:24:41,300 --> 02:24:44,000
first time, Thomas Edison's. 
Light bulb broke. 

2476
02:24:44,300 --> 02:24:46,500
Right? 
Stupid, light bulb. 

2477
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:49,400
Yeah, not gonna work. 
This is dumb idea. 

2478
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:54,800
Let's go work on candles. 
Yeah, we would never I mean we'd

2479
02:24:54,800 --> 02:24:56,800
probably arrived at life, but it
wouldn't mean from Thomas 

2480
02:24:56,800 --> 02:25:00,300
Edison, right, right. 
And that's a beauty but we the 

2481
02:25:00,300 --> 02:25:03,300
Thomas wins the beginning. 
Well, that's what's hard though,

2482
02:25:03,300 --> 02:25:05,200
right? 
Because of the somebody that had

2483
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:07,700
a long Thread about coaches and 
maybe they're talking about 

2484
02:25:07,700 --> 02:25:10,000
Petey's, but it's like, 
everything is about winning. 

2485
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:14,000
So you have a short time span 
to, like, figure it out and I 

2486
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:17,400
get it because, you know, 
sometimes we get focused on the 

2487
02:25:17,400 --> 02:25:20,300
wrong thing to. 
And so, it's better sometimes 

2488
02:25:20,300 --> 02:25:23,700
that we get fired because then 
we take Deeper examination of 

2489
02:25:23,700 --> 02:25:26,500
our own processes and our own 
systems. 

2490
02:25:26,500 --> 02:25:29,600
And we actually then make some 
shifts in some changes. 

2491
02:25:29,600 --> 02:25:33,500
But I mean, similarly people 
also take the wrong 

2492
02:25:33,500 --> 02:25:37,000
interpretation and Chuck things 
that were actually good and not 

2493
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:40,000
let go of them. 
So it's a it's a constant battle

2494
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:43,700
and this is where to me it's 
running those different thought 

2495
02:25:43,700 --> 02:25:45,400
experiments. 
Like we just ran unlike the 

2496
02:25:45,400 --> 02:25:47,600
whole bunting conversation that 
we had. 

2497
02:25:48,100 --> 02:25:51,900
You know, of there are it's this
is where I had to me. 

2498
02:25:51,900 --> 02:25:54,400
It's All about the nuance and 
until you have these types of 

2499
02:25:54,400 --> 02:25:57,400
conversations that we're having,
you can't work out that Nuance 

2500
02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:01,000
on Twitter, like nobody reads 
past the first maybe couple 

2501
02:26:01,000 --> 02:26:01,900
tweets. 
Anyways. 

2502
02:26:02,200 --> 02:26:05,000
Right, like this is where to I 
don't mind saying some 

2503
02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:07,900
interesting things way buried in
the comments because I know 

2504
02:26:07,900 --> 02:26:09,400
nobody's really going to see 
those. 

2505
02:26:10,200 --> 02:26:13,900
And so, yeah, you can, you can 
let out your deepest Secrets. 

2506
02:26:13,900 --> 02:26:17,200
Sometimes your, your, your best 
idea is way deep in the comments

2507
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:19,900
and nobody's really going to 
steal them because most people 

2508
02:26:19,900 --> 02:26:22,000
don't actually go down in there 
and read. 

2509
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:26,600
So the effort to go down that 
far, it's too much work. 

2510
02:26:26,600 --> 02:26:27,800
Well, why are you even on 
Twitter? 

2511
02:26:27,800 --> 02:26:29,200
I just to scroll. 
Okay? 

2512
02:26:29,400 --> 02:26:31,600
So then everything that you have
is going to be a super 

2513
02:26:31,700 --> 02:26:34,100
superficial understanding of 
things, and that's where I 

2514
02:26:34,108 --> 02:26:36,700
actually see a lot of, you know,
you could talk about the 

2515
02:26:36,708 --> 02:26:39,500
problems, right? 
If I'm always on to the next 

2516
02:26:39,500 --> 02:26:40,800
newest thing. 
And blah blah blah. 

2517
02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:42,700
Well, you only have a 
superficial understanding of 

2518
02:26:42,708 --> 02:26:47,000
these things and so you you 
really there's no depth to what 

2519
02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:51,300
it is that you're doing and I 
think young players, they can't 

2520
02:26:51,300 --> 02:26:54,000
discern that early on, but the 
longer that you stay in the 

2521
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:56,800
game, the more I think you'll 
have a sense of like, okay, this

2522
02:26:56,800 --> 02:27:01,100
coach just pull stuff off 
Twitter and Instagram and 

2523
02:27:01,100 --> 02:27:04,000
doesn't really understand what 
he's doing and is only going to 

2524
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:07,400
give you a really superficial 
answers, but then you run into 

2525
02:27:07,400 --> 02:27:10,600
coaches that have a deeper 
understanding and can actually 

2526
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:15,000
explain things at a deeper level
and can really help you out. 

2527
02:27:15,200 --> 02:27:17,600
I think that's where the 
separation is, but it's really 

2528
02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:20,500
hard in the sense of, you know, 
maybe we Talk about this when I 

2529
02:27:20,500 --> 02:27:25,700
was on your Pat podcast, I 
struggle with the superficial 

2530
02:27:25,700 --> 02:27:29,100
stuff because like I'm just I'm 
a deeper person and so the only 

2531
02:27:29,100 --> 02:27:33,700
time where I can really I guess 
in some ways I feel like people 

2532
02:27:33,700 --> 02:27:36,700
can really see who I am is 
through a longer interaction. 

2533
02:27:36,700 --> 02:27:40,900
You can't like in a short-term 
whatever I'm just not going to 

2534
02:27:40,908 --> 02:27:42,100
impress. 
I'm not going to be very 

2535
02:27:42,100 --> 02:27:44,700
impressive in a short 
interaction. 

2536
02:27:44,700 --> 02:27:49,300
No me either. 
No me neither. 

2537
02:27:49,300 --> 02:27:52,600
It's funny. 
You said this on my podcast and 

2538
02:27:52,700 --> 02:27:56,600
the been I regurgitate a lot is 
the degrees of freedom problem 

2539
02:27:56,600 --> 02:27:58,300
on the internet. 
Yeah. 

2540
02:27:58,400 --> 02:28:02,300
And Coach chase a lot of super 
visual information on the 

2541
02:28:02,300 --> 02:28:04,200
internet. 
One of the coaches that I 

2542
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:07,400
consulted with and worked with 
this past fall. 

2543
02:28:07,700 --> 02:28:12,900
You had a chance to play in the 
last game of the year, you know,

2544
02:28:12,908 --> 02:28:17,200
got away from I think what he 
asked me whether he founded 

2545
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:21,500
accidentally, whether he he 
founded purposefully something 

2546
02:28:21,500 --> 02:28:26,400
that really really worked well 
for him chasing information that

2547
02:28:26,400 --> 02:28:29,500
he saw on the internet. 
And so I come in and my job is 

2548
02:28:29,500 --> 02:28:35,000
just go in, like observe 
practice and just tell him what 

2549
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:37,300
I think. 
And I told him that, like, if I 

2550
02:28:37,300 --> 02:28:40,500
do this This, I'm just going to 
tell you what, I think, like 

2551
02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:44,000
whether you hate it, whether you
like it, whether you use it, I 

2552
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:49,100
have no idea. 
But he says, he says, you know, 

2553
02:28:49,100 --> 02:28:51,900
in our time working together, he
says, you know, a lot of the 

2554
02:28:51,900 --> 02:28:58,100
stuff you said we used to do and
for some way we got away from 

2555
02:28:58,100 --> 02:29:01,900
doing that, you know, and he 
said, maybe I was chasing things

2556
02:29:01,900 --> 02:29:04,800
that I liked on the internet. 
Well, maybe not, maybe whatever,

2557
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:08,800
but but again, The the 
information I gave him about his

2558
02:29:08,800 --> 02:29:11,700
practice. 
Just kind of go to hit the ball 

2559
02:29:11,700 --> 02:29:13,200
hard. 
You got to hit the ball off the 

2560
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:16,600
ground. 
These are kind of the things 

2561
02:29:16,600 --> 02:29:19,700
that the task, constraints and 
environmental constraints that I

2562
02:29:19,700 --> 02:29:23,500
would do to try to facilitate 
self-organization to those 

2563
02:29:23,500 --> 02:29:26,300
things. 
He just didn't know that. 

2564
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:30,400
And, you know, he just didn't 
know that, that, that was what 

2565
02:29:30,400 --> 02:29:33,600
was happening when he was doing 
those things that were good. 

2566
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:36,100
They were like positive 
adaptation to the practice task.

2567
02:29:36,800 --> 02:29:40,700
And so again, it goes back to 
like an understanding of the 

2568
02:29:40,700 --> 02:29:42,600
batted ball outcome and then 
working backwards. 

2569
02:29:44,600 --> 02:29:46,100
They're doing really well. 
This year though. 

2570
02:29:46,300 --> 02:29:48,100
I think he's kind of God back to
what? 

2571
02:29:48,100 --> 02:29:51,800
He, when he observed in a 
previous time to work. 

2572
02:29:51,800 --> 02:29:55,300
Well, that is again on the 
Internet is Chase. 

2573
02:29:55,300 --> 02:29:58,400
Some things that he thought was 
a good idea, but weren't rooted 

2574
02:29:58,400 --> 02:30:01,200
in something. 
That was going to create the 

2575
02:30:01,200 --> 02:30:04,100
good. 
Past meditation. 

2576
02:30:04,100 --> 02:30:06,600
I had my headphones died so I 
can actually hear you. 

2577
02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:10,400
So I had to do a little bit of 
lip reading there and I feel so 

2578
02:30:10,400 --> 02:30:12,800
bad because you just went, you 
probably spent. 

2579
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:14,700
You said a lot of really good 
things that I just did. 

2580
02:30:14,700 --> 02:30:19,100
Get, no, just tell the story 
about hope. 

2581
02:30:19,100 --> 02:30:21,800
The people can hear the story 
because I think it's good about 

2582
02:30:21,800 --> 02:30:23,400
yes. 
The degrees of freedom problem 

2583
02:30:23,400 --> 02:30:27,900
on Twitter and a coach that I 
work with, in the fall, chasing 

2584
02:30:27,900 --> 02:30:30,000
some super visual things that he
saw on Twitter and kind of 

2585
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:33,300
getting away from the principles
of You know, that of all 

2586
02:30:33,300 --> 02:30:36,500
outcomes and working backwards 
and positive attitude, creating 

2587
02:30:36,700 --> 02:30:41,500
past challenges that kind of 
illicit in a Ford positive 

2588
02:30:41,600 --> 02:30:46,100
adaptations to achieve the best 
of all outcome versus whatever 

2589
02:30:46,400 --> 02:30:48,700
they're doing. 
Well, the hopefully he's going 

2590
02:30:48,700 --> 02:30:52,800
back to those things because he 
when I go and I can do the when 

2591
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:55,900
I work with these people. 
I just tell them my observation 

2592
02:30:55,900 --> 02:30:58,400
then perspectives and that's 
what I try to do on the internet

2593
02:30:58,400 --> 02:31:00,700
though. 
Hmm, let's try to tell people 

2594
02:31:00,700 --> 02:31:04,700
what I think like I do. 
Or why I think it no don't try 

2595
02:31:04,700 --> 02:31:07,200
to belong to the crowd, which is
why you. 

2596
02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:10,100
And I kind of get along and 
though he would get along. 

2597
02:31:10,700 --> 02:31:14,200
Absolutely not trying to belong 
to a crowd of whatever, just 

2598
02:31:14,200 --> 02:31:15,600
trying to do the best work I 
can. 

2599
02:31:16,900 --> 02:31:20,600
No, absolutely. 
Um I guess to wrap up then. 

2600
02:31:22,400 --> 02:31:24,600
Are there any is there any 
things that you would encourage 

2601
02:31:24,600 --> 02:31:28,400
people to, you know, look into 
resources, doesn't even have to 

2602
02:31:28,400 --> 02:31:31,400
be baseball related. 
I know I probably asked this 

2603
02:31:31,400 --> 02:31:33,900
question all the time, but I'm 
just curious if there's anything

2604
02:31:33,900 --> 02:31:37,200
new that you would encourage 
people to look into on their 

2605
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:49,200
own. um, I mean I have been 
Obviously, Rob Graves podcast. 

2606
02:31:49,500 --> 02:31:52,600
That's pretty, I think, people, 
listen, this probably know that 

2607
02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:55,800
I've been listening to Andrew 
huberman, a lot. 

2608
02:31:56,000 --> 02:32:00,400
Mmm. 
Human lab is good. 

2609
02:32:02,900 --> 02:32:09,600
I picked up the book, dopamine 
niggas, don't mean Nation. 

2610
02:32:10,300 --> 02:32:14,300
Hmm, I'm trying to trying to get
a better better. 

2611
02:32:14,300 --> 02:32:19,200
Understanding of Why parents are
crazy around Youth Sports and I 

2612
02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:23,600
think dopamine response. 
Is a lot to do that. 

2613
02:32:23,900 --> 02:32:27,900
So I'm trying to understand that
a degree to a better degree, 

2614
02:32:28,700 --> 02:32:30,900
think it's called dopamine 
Nation thing. 

2615
02:32:31,800 --> 02:32:33,900
Somebody talked about it 
recently and I grab it, I don't 

2616
02:32:33,900 --> 02:32:38,300
know. 
Nothing. 

2617
02:32:38,300 --> 02:32:40,000
Nobody really knew. 
I think. 

2618
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:42,300
Curating your Twitter feed is 
really important. 

2619
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:48,600
You know what you mean by that? 
Just by Avery I think if people 

2620
02:32:48,600 --> 02:32:53,800
understand the way that I used 
Twitter, Is I spend more time on

2621
02:32:53,900 --> 02:33:00,100
tweetdeck, then I do Twitter on 
the website because you can set 

2622
02:33:00,100 --> 02:33:03,600
on tweetdeck, I can not only, I 
can. 

2623
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:07,400
And I do, I follow your likes. 
The tweets that you like, 

2624
02:33:07,800 --> 02:33:11,500
sweets, that Caleb, like tweets 
that Devin likes tweets, that 

2625
02:33:11,500 --> 02:33:15,300
dry likes people that I like 
their ideas. 

2626
02:33:15,800 --> 02:33:20,700
I also follow things they like 
on Twitter, And so, but it 

2627
02:33:20,700 --> 02:33:21,900
doesn't give you that 
functionality. 

2628
02:33:21,900 --> 02:33:24,800
I have to go to your profile and
I have to look at your likes but

2629
02:33:24,800 --> 02:33:29,400
like on tweetdeck you can just 
set a column of like things that

2630
02:33:29,400 --> 02:33:31,500
Garrett likes and you can set 
it. 

2631
02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:33,400
Here's a column of Garrett 
Williams. 

2632
02:33:33,400 --> 02:33:36,900
Like is that a NASA are 
traveling during that, Jitter 

2633
02:33:36,900 --> 02:33:39,700
desktop thing just on the 
desktop. 

2634
02:33:39,700 --> 02:33:41,600
Just just on the tweetdeck 
website. 

2635
02:33:42,500 --> 02:33:44,700
And so I try to use tweetdeck 
more than use Twitter. 

2636
02:33:44,700 --> 02:33:48,900
So I can see more stuff because 
Twitter is we've talked about 

2637
02:33:48,900 --> 02:33:51,400
this. 
It's a, it's an amazing place. 

2638
02:33:51,700 --> 02:33:54,700
It is an amazing place to get 
information. 

2639
02:33:55,300 --> 02:33:59,400
You can get the fights out of 
there, find people you like, and

2640
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:02,100
then, like you're sitting at a 
desk computer all day, just pull

2641
02:34:02,100 --> 02:34:07,100
up tweak that set your tweetdeck
to be whatever and then you will

2642
02:34:07,100 --> 02:34:11,000
get so much more value out of 
Twitter is using tweetdeck, then

2643
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:12,700
the native Twitter application, 
Phone. 

2644
02:34:14,700 --> 02:34:17,800
Though enough I only have it on 
my phone now because I have to 

2645
02:34:17,800 --> 02:34:22,400
upload the energy drink review 
and I'm on my hot spot and so 

2646
02:34:23,100 --> 02:34:25,400
it's only reason I have to learn
my phone, that's the only reason

2647
02:34:25,400 --> 02:34:28,200
I have any social media, my 
phone so I can upload the energy

2648
02:34:28,600 --> 02:34:33,900
when I'm not on Wi-Fi. 
I mean, that's where I don't 

2649
02:34:33,900 --> 02:34:35,200
know. 
I got rid of Facebook on my 

2650
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:38,100
phone and I like to get rid of 
other social media apps. 

2651
02:34:38,100 --> 02:34:41,000
But the thing is, is that if 
you're going to be good at this 

2652
02:34:41,300 --> 02:34:45,900
like baseball business stuff, I 
feel like you have to be on 

2653
02:34:45,900 --> 02:34:47,900
social media. 
You just have to, yep. 

2654
02:34:47,900 --> 02:34:50,200
And you have to be on it all the
time, which is again, this is a 

2655
02:34:50,200 --> 02:34:53,100
whole nother conversation of 
like, yeah, what are good uses 

2656
02:34:53,100 --> 02:34:57,400
of this from that perspective? 
We need to be out. 

2657
02:34:57,400 --> 02:34:59,300
That's, that's a next time, 
conversation. 

2658
02:35:01,800 --> 02:35:05,600
But I'm not sure that I'm good 
at that, I don't know. 

2659
02:35:06,700 --> 02:35:08,800
I mean, Chad you have way more 
followers than I do. 

2660
02:35:10,500 --> 02:35:13,800
Yeah, yo your research here is 
much earlier. 

2661
02:35:15,100 --> 02:35:18,900
It goes back to thank you and I 
made talked about this Kevin 

2662
02:35:18,900 --> 02:35:22,700
Kelly's, thousand, true fans. 
If there's always room, 

2663
02:35:22,700 --> 02:35:24,800
references, Kevin Kelley's 
thousand, true fans. 

2664
02:35:25,000 --> 02:35:29,600
I don't think I've done that. 
And so my, my own questioning of

2665
02:35:29,608 --> 02:35:33,200
my own methods are, like, why 
haven't I been able to connect 

2666
02:35:33,300 --> 02:35:35,800
with 1,000 people through all 
this time? 

2667
02:35:36,900 --> 02:35:39,300
Well, I mean here's well. 
Okay. 

2668
02:35:39,300 --> 02:35:40,500
Is this an exercise that I 
think? 

2669
02:35:43,100 --> 02:35:45,700
Well, I have no idea. 
But here's here's the thing that

2670
02:35:45,700 --> 02:35:49,000
I know that you've seemed to do.
Well, I don't know because I 

2671
02:35:49,008 --> 02:35:52,500
don't, you know, we can talk 
about this offline but okay, I 

2672
02:35:52,500 --> 02:35:54,400
want to plug. 
I want to plug your stuff. 

2673
02:35:54,700 --> 02:35:59,800
For example, you got you have to
podcast, you got your your, you 

2674
02:35:59,808 --> 02:36:04,100
know, members only components 
like all your different product 

2675
02:36:04,100 --> 02:36:07,700
like, so tell me a little bit. 
It just briefly for so people 

2676
02:36:07,700 --> 02:36:10,000
know where to find your stuff 
and like, what do you have, what

2677
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:12,300
you're offering. 
Because I know that you've got a

2678
02:36:12,308 --> 02:36:15,600
lot of good resources. 
Where can people find those? 

2679
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:20,000
And what are those? 
I think the challenge is an 

2680
02:36:20,000 --> 02:36:22,900
interesting conversation that 
I've been on stumbling a into 

2681
02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:26,800
lightly. 
I think the challenge because 

2682
02:36:26,800 --> 02:36:29,100
everybody has such a superficial
understanding of things. 

2683
02:36:29,100 --> 02:36:30,800
They're not going to go to a 
website and dig. 

2684
02:36:31,400 --> 02:36:33,600
Hmm. 
So how do you get with the atom 

2685
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:36,000
one or two clicks information to
people? 

2686
02:36:36,200 --> 02:36:39,400
They want to flick and when they
get there. 

2687
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:44,200
The supervision is out of. 
It is interesting enough that 

2688
02:36:44,600 --> 02:36:49,700
they scroll. 
And so I have a website. 

2689
02:36:49,800 --> 02:36:54,200
It's not useful. 
It's not what I've been doing 

2690
02:36:54,200 --> 02:36:58,900
lately is developing the link 
trees that you can put in the 

2691
02:36:59,300 --> 02:37:04,100
bayou that when you click it 
open something that has seven or

2692
02:37:04,100 --> 02:37:06,900
eight highly visible buttons on 
it. 

2693
02:37:07,400 --> 02:37:10,800
That has topics in headlines 
that you can just click. 

2694
02:37:11,400 --> 02:37:12,800
Now, is that work better for 
you? 

2695
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:15,600
So it's super easy. 
So it's super easy. 

2696
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:20,800
So I have like, I'm developing a
link tree for our in gym parents

2697
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:24,900
because I can hang a, QR code in
the facility and say because we 

2698
02:37:24,900 --> 02:37:29,100
got pretty decent QR codes. 
You know, if you want to get two

2699
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:31,100
more online in for, because 
that's a thing of struggle 

2700
02:37:31,100 --> 02:37:33,500
within the facility is getting 
people to online information. 

2701
02:37:34,300 --> 02:37:36,200
Here's a QR code that will pull 
up a link tree. 

2702
02:37:36,200 --> 02:37:39,100
That's got eight. 
Links on it, it's simple. 

2703
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:41,900
Scan the code opens, the link 
tri-band, click the link. 

2704
02:37:41,900 --> 02:37:43,600
Here's the, here's the six or 
seven links. 

2705
02:37:43,600 --> 02:37:46,600
I want you to see. 
Anyway, you know, it's hard in 

2706
02:37:46,600 --> 02:37:48,100
the facility to get people to 
follow. 

2707
02:37:48,100 --> 02:37:52,600
You on social media like you 
hang up, the QR code, and for 

2708
02:37:52,600 --> 02:37:55,400
more information, scan the QR 
code and they scan the QR code 

2709
02:37:55,400 --> 02:37:57,000
because they're sitting there 
just doing nothing. 

2710
02:37:57,900 --> 02:38:00,500
It gets them to a link tree, 
that'll get them to five or six 

2711
02:38:00,500 --> 02:38:01,900
pieces. 
I want them to go to anyone. 

2712
02:38:03,600 --> 02:38:06,100
Same thing with Twitter, I've 
got a Twitter so General 

2713
02:38:06,100 --> 02:38:09,500
reference link tree that gets 
you to four or five things that 

2714
02:38:09,500 --> 02:38:12,800
hopefully simple will get to the
point that, you know, that I 

2715
02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:16,500
visible enough that you want to 
help and support the work that I

2716
02:38:16,508 --> 02:38:18,400
do. 
Yada yada yada again. 

2717
02:38:18,400 --> 02:38:21,100
It's not perfect. 
I remote client. 

2718
02:38:21,300 --> 02:38:23,700
I've gotten really good with the
two or three platforms. 

2719
02:38:23,700 --> 02:38:26,700
I think with remote clients now,
it's how do you recruit more 

2720
02:38:26,700 --> 02:38:32,300
remote clients and so developing
a link tree that you get you to 

2721
02:38:32,300 --> 02:38:36,300
information that will get Like a
10 minute at most maybe five 

2722
02:38:36,300 --> 02:38:40,300
minutes, education on what we're
going to try to do and how we're

2723
02:38:40,300 --> 02:38:44,300
going to try to attack it and 
you know, body out, I think 

2724
02:38:44,300 --> 02:38:47,400
using link trees is like a good 
thing. 

2725
02:38:47,700 --> 02:38:50,200
Like how you can get people to 
links and information more 

2726
02:38:50,200 --> 02:38:53,000
links. 
And more information from social

2727
02:38:53,000 --> 02:38:55,900
media Again, I could be wrong 
about that. 

2728
02:38:55,900 --> 02:38:58,000
We could talking in through 
three months and I could have 

2729
02:38:58,000 --> 02:38:59,600
changed my mind about that, but 
that's what I want to do. 

2730
02:39:00,100 --> 02:39:01,600
It's all about how you use the 
tool. 

2731
02:39:01,700 --> 02:39:05,300
I've seen people inappropriate 
lose, use it as a way to put 

2732
02:39:05,300 --> 02:39:08,100
everything in there. 
I'm like, no, that doesn't work.

2733
02:39:08,100 --> 02:39:13,200
It's got to be to your point. 
Maybe eight Max, you know, like 

2734
02:39:13,200 --> 02:39:16,700
to me if you have like, 20 
things in there, oh, that's 

2735
02:39:16,700 --> 02:39:18,200
overwhelming. 
You look at it, you're like, oh 

2736
02:39:18,208 --> 02:39:20,600
my gosh, I don't even know, 
right? 

2737
02:39:20,600 --> 02:39:26,700
Like it, so disorganized, I 
mean, that's how websites are in

2738
02:39:26,700 --> 02:39:28,400
a lot of ways. 
People just want to scroll. 

2739
02:39:29,800 --> 02:39:31,200
You know, they just want to 
scroll on this one. 

2740
02:39:31,200 --> 02:39:37,200
Click button and I question 
sometimes in business, like are 

2741
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:43,200
we so far into the degrees of 
freedom information that these 

2742
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:44,800
platforms are even useful 
anymore? 

2743
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:47,400
You know, it's all about ease of
use. 

2744
02:39:47,400 --> 02:39:51,400
Why is it that people use Apple 
products over windows? 

2745
02:39:51,500 --> 02:39:55,400
It's because it's easier to use 
it's more intuitive and like, 

2746
02:39:55,800 --> 02:39:57,500
but that's, that's an art in and
of itself. 

2747
02:39:57,500 --> 02:40:02,300
But anyways, so but make sure to
go follow Chad. 

2748
02:40:02,300 --> 02:40:06,100
I want to plug your your podcast
and Twitter, my Twitter, my 

2749
02:40:06,100 --> 02:40:10,800
Instagram, all the things I've 
tried to make it simple to find 

2750
02:40:10,800 --> 02:40:14,100
just search my name. 
Everywhere you go, Chad 

2751
02:40:14,100 --> 02:40:16,600
Longworth, they'll Link tree 
there. 

2752
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:19,800
You're interested in more of the
work that you want to dig into 

2753
02:40:20,200 --> 02:40:23,900
the link will get you to link 3.
It'll get you down, whatever 

2754
02:40:23,900 --> 02:40:28,700
maybe I should do more. 
Maybe I should do last. 

2755
02:40:28,700 --> 02:40:32,500
I'm not sure, but we're running 
with this idea right now that 

2756
02:40:32,700 --> 02:40:36,800
help people easier get to things
that I do. 

2757
02:40:39,100 --> 02:40:42,200
Well of it and then we deck use 
tweeted. 

2758
02:40:42,200 --> 02:40:44,500
Yes. 
Follows people of them, follow 

2759
02:40:44,500 --> 02:40:50,200
their like dig into their work. 
I try to like things that I try 

2760
02:40:50,200 --> 02:40:54,300
to like things that people would
find interesting also. 

2761
02:40:55,100 --> 02:40:59,800
So that's it. 
Alright, thanks again for coming

2762
02:40:59,800 --> 02:41:01,400
on. 
Like it's always, it's always 

2763
02:41:01,400 --> 02:41:04,500
great having you on and and 
exploring all these different 

2764
02:41:04,500 --> 02:41:06,000
ideas and stuff is good.