1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,200 Welcome back to Finding the Edge podcast. 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,000 I'm Kyle Dupic with Garrett Boyam and our guest today, Tommy 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,119 Johnson. Yeah, and so Tommy and I would 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,120 have been going back and forth on social media for quite a long 5 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:15,040 time. And just given how much of the 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,160 back and forth, it's like, you know what, I think it's time to 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,600 to bring Tommy on the podcast. And so I guess to to start, 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,160 Tommy, do you want to just kind of give people a little 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,120 background on like who you are and what you're currently doing? 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,320 Yeah. Do you want me to like start 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,680 from the beginning? Because I will usually not talk 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,720 about myself. So like I can film in my like 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,760 experience and then like what I do and how I got there. 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,880 Whatever you think is most important and what you think 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,680 would be interesting for people 'cause I mean, like, I think 16 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,160 even too, right, The last podcast you're on was Chad's, 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,640 right. And so it's been a little while. 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,040 So maybe, you know, people have kind of, you know, don't don't 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,880 actually know really your whole story. 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,160 Yeah, well, I've also been less accessible since having kids 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,000 and, you know, changing my priorities a little bit over the 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,880 past few years, but just kind of fill everybody in. 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,480 Played a little professional baseball. 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,000 I got drafted by the Mariners 2000, like 8 or 9, can't 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,040 remember. Then I realized I had no idea 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,000 what I was doing once my career was over. 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,960 Like I had no idea why I had failed. 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,760 A lot of it was because I just didn't have the mindset or even 29 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,480 the background on how to actually get myself back to who 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,520 I really was after being coached and coached and coached. 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,000 So I also didn't know how to train my body either. 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,880 So that was this big question mark cuz then there's this P90X 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,560 era and well, that that kind of screwed me up because I just 34 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,720 looked really good but couldn't move. 35 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,840 So I went back and got my masters in exercise science and 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,039 I think I took almost every certification I could after 37 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:13,280 that. Following that started my own 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,200 business was a 2014 it was prime performance. 39 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,440 But during COVID I I rebranded and call it primal one, because 40 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,160 I primal 1 baseball player development. 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,680 And the reason I did that is 1. I wanted something new. 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,280 But then two, I also realized because I tried to get out of 43 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,560 the baseball game and people just kept coming to me. 44 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,160 So I was like, OK, well I actually need to rebrand it into 45 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,320 baseball. And then I got bored and I 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,680 decided to take a doctor courses. 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,640 I just completed my doctorate in kinesiology this past spring. 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,480 So it's been quite an adventure getting to where I am, but a lot 49 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,000 of it's been motivated by the people I, I have the opportunity 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,240 to train. You know, they put so much money 51 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,240 into what we do and they put in so much effort and trust in the 52 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,840 me. It's just, it only made sense 53 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,040 that I kept pushing to make sure that I had the best resources 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,920 to, to help them reach their goals. 55 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,760 And so, and that was the doctor was quite an adventure. 56 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,240 And I think I, I definitely gained a lot more respect for 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:20,360 the motor control and learning aspects of things. 58 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,280 And I definitely like bio mechanics. 59 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,720 I became more appreciative when I actually had to start doing 60 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,040 the math rather than relying on systems to do it for me. 61 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,600 So it's like I, I was extremely humbled and it, it was quite an 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,760 experience. But now I'm here and yeah, it's, 63 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,200 it's, it's been a wonderful ride and I'm, I'm very grateful I get 64 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:47,920 to do what I do everyday. And so on, on like the one thing 65 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,680 that kind of, I mean, there's several things that kind of 66 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,760 jumped out at me, but one thing that I'm kind of most curious on 67 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,960 is, you know, you kind of mentioned that you were trying 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,560 to get out of baseball, but then you got pulled back in. 69 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,640 What was the, what's, what's the story behind that of like, you 70 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,720 know, because, because a little bit too like I have a little bit 71 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,480 of experience with that of, you know, initially I started in SNC 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,520 and then I was like, OK, I'll just kind of, I know life is 73 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,360 weird and you'll sometimes you plan on going One Direction and 74 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,839 then you get, you fall into a niche or you end up somewhere 75 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,519 different. But I exited out of the SNC 76 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,520 space and came back into the skill side of things. 77 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:27,560 And so I'm kind of curious, what's your story behind that of 78 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,080 like the why behind you were trying to go out, but then you 79 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,760 got pulled back in? Yeah, so I've never gotten out 80 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:40,000 of S&C because I run a full player development facility, but 81 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,760 I was trying not to limit myself to just baseball players because 82 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,920 he obviously, you know, you're running a business. 83 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:51,000 Baseball is extremely seasonal and trying to explain the the 84 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,720 athletes the importance of like, hey, like you got to make it in 85 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,240 for a strength session because if you like, if you are in pain 86 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,480 or something feels weird, you know, these are things that we 87 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:07,120 can reconcile if you come in, But if you're out of season, if 88 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,720 you're in season, you're out of the facility and you're on your 89 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,560 own. If if you if you can't make it 90 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,120 in. And a lot of times people don't 91 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,680 have the knowledge and they'll just shut themselves down and 92 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,880 they're out four to six weeks. And then then that they never 93 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,080 really resolved the issue because their doctor just tells 94 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:28,000 them to rest and like, OK, yeah, you're getting out of pain 95 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,160 temporarily. But then once you start back up, 96 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,800 it's the same old thing. So it was really, I just 97 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,200 rebranded it. It was, it was pretty much as 98 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,040 simple as that. And what I I listened to Charlie 99 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Weingroff. I was very, very lucky to have 100 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,400 been invited down with the Washington Wizards because I 101 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,280 knew a guy named Devine Heterachi. 102 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:51,840 I mean, this guy's brilliant. He's fantastic. 103 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,440 He reached out to me as like, hey, would you like to watch 104 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,960 Charlie Weingroff speak at the at the then MCI Center? 105 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,480 I was like, yeah, like, this guy terrifies me because he's so 106 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,840 damn smart. But I know I'm going to come 107 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:09,560 home with like a million notes. And the thing that stuck out to 108 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,600 me was he goes, if you're trying to do the best thing for your 109 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,280 athlete, you're going to build a team. 110 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,280 And that stuck out to me because I used to try to do everything 111 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:24,000 myself. And that's why I quit myself 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,520 with all these different skills. But there was only one me and I, 113 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,160 there was only so many hours in the day and I was growing a 114 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,400 family. And I just looked at it as like, 115 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,520 man, I'm not giving my people the best thing. 116 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:43,080 So that that was kind of the, the big wake up call. 117 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:49,840 I think that was 2017, 2016, I had something like that. 118 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:52,960 And it was the rest has been history. 119 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,600 And what I really am trying to do at my facility is just try to 120 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,560 provide the most logical information I can in an 121 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,720 onboarding. So that way I have a structure 122 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,200 and a framework for the people I hire to work with me. 123 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,040 And I basically put my brain in a spreadsheet and multiple, 124 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,440 multiple spreadsheets. That way they can understand me. 125 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,520 And then I attach a video links and stuff like that. 126 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,920 And I guess really kind of to get back to the main thing is 127 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,120 like, well, what brought me back into baseball? 128 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,920 Well, what really got me into the, the teamwork aspect was 129 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,480 Charlie Wongroff and realizing that it was, it wasn't about me, 130 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:31,680 it was about the people I worked with. 131 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,920 And I needed to find a way to clone myself in different, 132 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,040 different areas of player development, whether it be 133 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,000 strength, conditioning or skill acquisition. 134 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,400 So it was really the, the whole idea and, and I was also lucky 135 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,920 because the very first person I ever learned from the SNC field 136 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,640 is Mike Boyle. So like, like I was, I was, I 137 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:59,080 was a baseball guy up at this facility up north and he 138 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,560 started, he got into the Thrive program, which is basically they 139 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,560 just buy their programs and information they implemented in 140 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,360 the facility. But I got to go up, you know, 141 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,920 spend time with with Mike Boyle and Kevin Carr. 142 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,760 And that was a real rude awakening. 143 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,560 I was like, dude, I don't know anything. 144 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,720 And that's what got me curious is because it's like, man, I'm 145 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,920 really doing these people a disservice because like I was a 146 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,920 baseball player and I was just trying to teach people what I 147 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,720 knew. But I always come back to this. 148 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,480 It's like, well, how many people could do what I did and had no 149 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,600 idea what they were doing? And like, I'm 240 lbs. 150 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,280 I hit yesterday, still hit a ball one O 2. 151 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,120 I hadn't hit in like a few months. 152 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,920 It's like I, the reality check is, is like, well, how do I get 153 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,480 people to that point? How do I get people to acquire 154 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,640 some of the I was, you know, I was blessed. 155 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:57,040 I was super blessed with a lot of ability and I couldn't go off 156 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,680 of my own individual bias and experiential process. 157 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:04,120 I had to figure out what was best for people, not just like 158 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,880 what I did. So, you know, Mike Boyle, 159 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,480 Charlie Winegroff, you know, and then I remember over COVID, I 160 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,200 started really getting heavy in the Franz Bosch and it was just 161 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,800 like, this guy is knocking down the silos. 162 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,600 And it was, you know, I think that's a world where we're 163 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,000 living in and we have, you know, and it's not the talk bad 164 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,240 because people know what they know. 165 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,760 But you have people working with professional athletes that 166 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,040 couldn't even tell you how many degrees of freedom are in a hip 167 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,320 joint. And, you know, it's a mind. 168 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,720 It's mind blowing to me because it's like, man, we're working 169 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,080 with, I'm working with people from 8 years old up to big 170 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,200 leagues. And it's like you have people 171 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,240 that are working just with big leaguers and they couldn't tell 172 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,360 you very much about the body and you know, the processes it uses 173 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:56,800 to develop what it needs to thrive in a high level 174 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,280 situation. And it's, you know, it developed 175 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,640 some concern for me. So then I got really curious and 176 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,160 I to be honest with you, I think it was AI. 177 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Remember one of our first interactions, Garrett, I was 178 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,760 really in the bio mechanics at this one time. 179 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,160 It's like bio mechanics are cool, but you can't really 180 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,360 separate bio mechanics from motor control because you're 181 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,520 talking about a system like complex system us that 182 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,840 integrates everything. It's nothing is 1 without the 183 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,080 other. So I was you, I can't remember 184 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,400 the question you asked me, but basically you're putting out 185 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,800 there. It's like, well, yeah, this is 186 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,000 great, but what if this happens and what are you going to do? 187 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,640 And I'm I was like, I need to think about this. 188 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,240 And then you know that there comes the like, OK, this guy is 189 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,600 coming from a different angle. I need to learn this angle and 190 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,240 it's just, I think it's giving a full appreciation to the human 191 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,640 Organism and what it's capable of is really the end goal, 192 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,240 right? So like that's what primal one I 193 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,600 want it to be. And I'm still learning. 194 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,560 I'm still trying to, you know, I'm still trying to give people 195 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:11,120 what they want, but also what I know is best because it's like, 196 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,000 you know, I call it hiding the pill in the pudding or giving 197 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,360 them a cookie. So it's like we still deadlift 198 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,240 And it's like, I don't really think deadlift has the most 199 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,480 transfer. It's a it'll make you overall 200 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,440 strong, but it does come at a cost if, if someone isn't ready. 201 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,040 But if I can give that, if I can give someone that one little 202 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:35,640 thing that they like, then they might do more of what I feel is 203 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,880 going to be best for the athlete, which is going to be 204 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,560 number one thing. Honor the human system and, and 205 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:42,720 and and we how we got to where we are. 206 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,240 So I guess you could say more of like an Ontagenic approach. 207 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,520 But yeah, I mean that was long winded, but that's I hope that 208 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,880 answers the question. That's good. 209 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,680 I, I wonder, you mentioned a couple times there, like what 210 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:59,280 was your gateway drug into the skill acquisition world? 211 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,960 You know, it feels like everybody kind of has their 212 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,720 conversion story, if you will. You mentioned Franz Bosch, you 213 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,840 mentioned, I mean, you've done a lot of degrees. 214 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,920 You mentioned Garrett's question. 215 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,800 How did you get into it? What was your starting point? 216 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,640 And, and when did you kind of get hooked? 217 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,440 Like, Oh my gosh, there's something here that I really 218 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,040 need to explore. Well, I think it was just like 219 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,480 at one point in time, you know, baseball, Twitter was this 220 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,000 really fruitful place. And I'm not trying to be 221 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,720 nostalgic because there's some still, but it's like everyone is 222 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,960 like sticking to this one thing rather than learning from each 223 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,920 other. And that's one of the reasons I 224 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,240 got off of Twitter or X now. And you know, I, I guess what 225 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,880 really got me into is just curiosity because like, I'm 226 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,880 addicted to understanding the human Organism. 227 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,640 It's just such a, like, God has given us such an amazing design. 228 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,800 And I honestly believe we're, we're, we're only appreciating a 229 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:02,600 very small portion of it. And you know, I was, I was 230 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,440 really big in the PRI and, and that helped me kind of move 231 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,840 forward with some of this like bio mechanic stuff. 232 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,200 And then and then, you know, I started noticing that like, OK, 233 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,000 yeah, once we once we do that, the breathing, it gets them 234 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,480 right. And you know, they're moving 235 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,280 better. They're you know, they're 236 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,360 operating better in a sense that they're not constantly running 237 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,040 on hot. And and, and I just started 238 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,800 noticing that there was more to it than just bio mechanic. 239 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,040 So I was searching for an answer because I was like, I was into 240 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,080 the tee. And then someone that I think 241 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,800 someone mentioned, it was like I wasn't really, I was into, it's 242 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,880 just like what we've always done in baseball. 243 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,280 And then I was just like, OK, well, they have a tee at home. 244 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,360 Why are they paying me to go hit off the tee? 245 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,080 This is nonsense. If they want to do what we do 246 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,800 off a tee at home because that's the only method of practice that 247 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,440 they have and OK, so be it, but they're not going to do it with 248 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,000 me. So I think it really came into 249 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,920 I, I got deeper into it after Franz Bosch and I was talking 250 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,000 with, I think really listening to seeing some of the things Rob 251 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,880 Gray was putting out and really made me question myself. 252 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,520 It's like, you know, OK, but this is actually how people 253 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,200 learn. It's been quantified. 254 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,000 And it's like, well, if it's been quantified, let me look 255 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,840 into it. And it's just like, you start 256 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,840 seeing some of the articles that he did and that guy's like super 257 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,720 honest in my opinion, like in, in his evaluation of things. 258 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,200 And it just made me really, besides being curious about 259 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,240 everything that is human because I, I think that's like what we 260 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,800 really need to do as baseball coaches or just coaches in 261 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,000 general, is appreciate who's in front of us and, and not just 262 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,800 the personality, but like their structure, their function. 263 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:53,960 There's just so much to us. It, it would be so pompous of me 264 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,960 to think that I shouldn't keep learning. 265 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,920 So it's like, you see all these umbrellas of kinesiology and 266 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:03,720 it's like, OK, well, if I can skim the surface on all of them 267 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,120 and start digging little holes, what we're going to start seeing 268 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,120 is that all these holes start connecting. 269 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,280 And I remember I spoke with Ian Kadish years ago about this and 270 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,920 you know, he's. He's with the twins, right? 271 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,760 Yeah, yeah. What a wonderful guy, man. 272 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,400 Like, I, I, I caught him in college and just like, dude was 273 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,960 sick. Like he was good. 274 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,280 I remember playing, we're playing University of Kentucky 275 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,880 and we were beating them. We're Marshall and we were 276 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,600 beating them when he was in the game. 277 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,640 That guy, that guy was awesome, you know, and he's and he's 278 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,440 brilliant too. So like Ian Ian's, you know, I 279 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,800 haven't talked to him in a while, but every interaction I 280 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,680 have had since, you know, just like a great dude and very 281 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,440 smart, but he was talking about like silos and how like he felt 282 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,760 like, you know, everyone puts himself in a silo and they don't 283 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,520 because there's the silo exists, they don't feel the need to go 284 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,080 outside of their silo. And then it just becomes like, 285 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,880 Oh, well, that's not my job. So, you know, like talk to him 286 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,920 and it's like, well, we're working together here. 287 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,720 So the S&C should have some motor control and appreciation 288 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,520 and the hitting guy should have a physical therapy, athletic 289 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,200 training and strength condition appreciation to to some level. 290 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,560 And you know, it's, I think it's best because now you can 291 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,480 communicate and if you can't communicate with your team and 292 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,600 you're like, oh, well, what the hell are you talking about? 293 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,080 Like that's that language. I don't understand it. 294 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,400 Well, it's like, well, you have the problem. 295 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,920 You don't understand the language. 296 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,480 And like, and this is something I find really interesting in 297 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,360 today's baseball is like we already have a language called 298 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,760 kinesiology, kinesiological language. 299 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,720 But people tend to make up their own terms to sound, you know, I 300 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,120 guess to sound interesting, and that's their prerogative. 301 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,840 Or to sell their sell their system. 302 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,840 Oh man, well, I have a real big problem with that. 303 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:05,000 You know, like it hurts because like then you're completely 304 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,680 married to this this thing. And even if it gets disproven, 305 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,000 you have to fight in scratch and claw. 306 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,079 And it's like, well, you wouldn't have that problem if 307 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:18,880 you just appreciated everything and considered what you're doing 308 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,680 or, you know, be humble and say, Hey, like this is what I thought 309 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,400 was right at the time. But, you know, like we see that 310 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,800 all the time in in the scientific community. 311 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,360 We see it like a lot of like physics and space, like people 312 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:34,840 are going to have to go back on things like, especially as 313 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,160 quantum physics becomes more, you know, understood. 314 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,600 And we're going to have to accept the new nature of things. 315 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,960 It's some some feelings are going to get hurt, but I think 316 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:47,960 if we're all lifelong students, then it's like, hey, look, that 317 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,760 was just where I was when I was learning. 318 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,960 Like I'm always learning. So like, sorry, like you hired 319 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,400 me. This is where I was. 320 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,480 But yeah, it's, it's been the best thing I've ever learned 321 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:05,240 because it really made me understand that I can't talk 322 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,360 someone into success and I have to really appreciate who's in 323 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,680 front of me. And this is where like, you 324 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,280 know, like there's a bunch of good systems out there and like, 325 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,040 I go back, I, I, I still use FMS because it's like, at least I 326 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,200 have something. And like, I can't table test 327 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,720 everyone unless, you know, I got time. 328 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,760 But you know, like being, being the staff that I have, it's, you 329 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,040 know, there's me and three other dudes, you know, like running 330 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,920 the show. It's like, OK, well, I can't put 331 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,640 my hands on everyone all the time. 332 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,760 So if I have the FMS, at least going to say, hey, look like we 333 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,480 need to one, we need to give you more options. 334 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Because if you don't have prerequisite mobility and I'm 335 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,800 trying to ask you to do XYZ over the batting cage, I'm not 336 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,040 appreciating your current structure or your ability to 337 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,880 align your structure for better movement. 338 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,680 So like, I guess that's a biomechanical aspect. 339 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,720 And you know, I think this is something that we're running to 340 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,480 now is like we're always looking for this magic pill and putting 341 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,000 people in buckets. And it's like, well, you know, 342 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,880 like I'm not going to talk bad, but I'm going to say this. 343 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,360 It's like, OK, you're going to make someone choose from A or B 344 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:18,720 to do as a hitter. It's like, well, if you 345 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,320 understand the way humans learn, you understand the way these 346 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,120 joint receptors work, it's like you can expand the joint, you 347 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,040 can give them more options. So it's essentially like, OK, 348 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:31,120 there's only hamburger and hot dog in the menu right now. 349 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:34,600 But if I add another thing to a menu, then you have another 350 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,360 thing to pick from and then you can self organize and see which 351 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:40,920 one is going to produce the results you want. 352 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,920 You can measure that because like I, I, I tip my cap to to to 353 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,840 drive on because they're bio mechanics, they're data 354 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,240 collected. The hitting's in a vacuum now, 355 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,840 like, like we understand like the the, the mean and standard 356 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,400 deviation of it. I mean they have a whole chart 357 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,720 of it and it's like, oh, if we use that and if someone still 358 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,920 follows in the the outer ranges, still good, but does it 359 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,880 function? And I think that's where you 360 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,160 know, bio mechanics is a slippery slope because. 361 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,080 You know, if we're like, oh, well, they're, they're so far 362 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,200 away from the, the, the mean, the middle. 363 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,200 And it's, it's like, well, you know, Kyle Tucker dumps his 364 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,280 barrel, but they breaks like, why would we change that? 365 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,360 So, you know, I, I, I think going back, I guess the original 366 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:34,600 question was like, what, what was like? 367 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,520 What was my gateway drug? And I think it was just overall 368 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,680 curiosity of how to make the people who are investing in me 369 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,680 better 'cause that's like, that's a huge responsibility. 370 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,800 And I'm working with humans, right? 371 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,160 Like they, they, they, they live, they breathe, they feel, 372 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,000 they dream. And if I'm not taking that 373 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,520 seriously, I'm just collecting the paycheck and, you know, and 374 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,640 I'm providing very little value. And the whole point of the human 375 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,400 experience, especially when you're interacting with others, 376 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,000 is to uplift them and provide value and have them see things 377 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,520 in themselves that they may never even thought were 378 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,160 possible. And I think that's the beautiful 379 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,440 thing about integrating the sciences and, and especially, 380 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:28,960 you know, getting better understanding of, you know, the 381 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,480 eco D and skill acquisition side of things. 382 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,680 So it's, it's been a humbling journey. 383 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,480 And then I still feel like a noob. 384 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,880 So it's, yeah, yeah. It's like, 'cause there's just 385 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,640 so many smart people out there. And, you know, if I can, if I 386 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,440 can distill some stuff and make it useful to my people, then 387 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,960 ultimately I win. So yeah. 388 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,080 And my because my people win. I, I think what's interesting to 389 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,120 me as I think about my story relative to yours, and I was 390 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,160 actually kind of curious about like the date when we first 391 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,320 started kind of interacting and kind of the year to kind of 392 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,440 frame it. Because you, you mentioned, you 393 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,120 know, the context of like Twitter, what it used to be 394 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,440 like, you know, to understand, like even for, for myself, when 395 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,000 I started looking into ecological dynamics, actually I 396 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,440 wasn't looking into ecological dynamics. 397 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,920 I was simply looking to motor learning because that's what 398 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,080 what Driveline was talking about was motor learning, you know, 399 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,800 And so I was like, oh, OK, this is the, the future. 400 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,280 Like let's start looking into stuff. 401 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,640 But like, you know, cuz we have like the, both of us have the, 402 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,000 the similar background in SNC, you know, Cuz actually that more 403 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,960 recently, I think that's how it kind of started up again, is 404 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,760 we're commenting on stuff and talking about SNC principles and 405 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,600 how they apply to specific baseball issues, which we can 406 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,440 get into later. But like, my path has kind of 407 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,800 been similar of like when I got into it, I didn't start with 408 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,000 Boyle, I started with Eric Cressy. 409 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,720 He was, he was there, too. Yeah. 410 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,400 Yeah. I got to, I got to go meet him, 411 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,760 too. That was another project because 412 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,400 he was a baseball guy. But yeah, no, like, but you 413 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,040 know, Eric Cressy has been, you know, he's awesome. 414 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,040 But it's just like being able to, like, spend a week with Mike 415 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,640 Boyle is what really made me understand. 416 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,880 But yeah, go ahead. Like Eric Cressy. 417 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,640 Is awesome. Yeah, so it kind of started with 418 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,520 like listening to Eric and how he approached just SNC and then 419 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,200 for him, cuz like for me, I always knew I wanted to coach 420 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:27,440 baseball, but in Minnesota I felt like just like you right 421 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,520 where, you know, I didn't get as far as you did, but like my kind 422 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,360 of career ended in college and very quickly. 423 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,160 And I was trying to follow everything that every like 424 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,480 people had taught me, you know, and said, and it was just going 425 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,280 horribly for me. And so as I was finishing up and 426 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,600 I wanted to coach, I'm like, well, I want to give people, you 427 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,520 know, good stuff. And I felt like the stuff that I 428 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,720 had gotten on the skill side of things, not on the not on like 429 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,120 the team side, like, because my experience in college was very 430 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,840 good on like the, the team culture and like what all that 431 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,720 looks like and the college experience. 432 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,160 But on the baseball side, I was looking for a place where like 433 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,720 I'd have a good mentor that would teach me, you know, like 434 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240 how to actually help people. And I just didn't feel like that 435 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,800 that was the case in Minnesota at the time. 436 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,680 And I was starting to like follow Eric and Jeff Cavalier 437 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,360 and, and what not. And eventually I saw how like 438 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:21,240 how much people were going out to Eric's and whatnot in their 439 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,960 internships. And there's just, there's a 440 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,920 culture of learning in the SNC world at that time back in what, 441 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,160 20/12/2013. And, and then also there was a 442 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,280 culture of going and doing observations, a culture of 443 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,400 internships and all this sort of stuff. 444 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,120 And so that's kind of where I kind of got my start and I kind 445 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,600 of go and start going that direction. 446 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,240 And so I ended up because you know of Eric, you know, PRI and 447 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,240 then I started going to different conferences and like 448 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,440 FRC was another one that kind of came in And you know, I through 449 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,600 those internships, I was able to intern at the University of 450 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,480 Minnesota because the going back to my high school and interning 451 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,600 there, there it was AU of M strength coach. 452 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,440 And so he got me in at EU and then he was using a lot of 453 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,800 Triphasic. And so my story of meeting 454 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,360 Charlie, because Charlie had a big influence, at least I 455 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,320 thought like a huge he, he asked out of a simple question, 456 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,360 changed my whole paradigm. But I was at a conference for, 457 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,400 for, for one of Cal's. It was a conference that Cal was 458 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,040 doing on Triphasic and it was at Mike Ranforn's Mike My 459 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,520 Grandfone's ring. Phone, yeah. 460 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,520 Yeah, yeah, his facility. So I was out there and because 461 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,880 Mike was also doing FRC, you know, and it will like was in 462 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,440 with Spina. I was asking him like, dude, how 463 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,920 do you, how do you incorporate like Spina stuff with Triphasic? 464 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,720 And I'm asking all these questions of like how to make 465 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,120 all this work. And Charlie's sitting over in 466 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,720 the corner and just goes, dude, what are you trying to do? 467 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,840 I was like, huh, It's like, what adaptation are you trying to go 468 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,440 for? I was like, what do you mean? 469 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,480 It's like, dude, if you know what adaptation you want to go 470 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,680 for, you can pick whatever method you want, as long as it 471 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,960 achieves the adaptation that you're that you're looking for. 472 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,320 I was like, oh, like that had completely, it shifted me from 473 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,320 like 1. My favorite quotes is like, you 474 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,160 know, methods. There are millions of methods, 475 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,080 but principles are few. The one who understands 476 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,280 principles can pick his methods. The one who chases methods is 477 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,240 sure to run into issues. And so for me, that's where he 478 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,960 kind of flipped it for me and gave me the principal. 479 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,520 The underlying principle is figure out what adaptation 480 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,800 you're going for and then you can pick whatever method you 481 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,840 want. And so that's kind of my Charlie 482 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,240 story, that like how he kind of changed my whole career and how 483 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,040 I think about pretty much everything, you know, dude. 484 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,440 That's so smart. It's, it's insane. 485 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,360 His, his logic is just too sharp. 486 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:42,240 And it's just, you know, I, I'm right there with you, man. 487 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,200 He did, he, he, he. And the thing I love about 488 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,880 Charlie is he'll ask you questions and he's and he's like 489 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,360 genuinely trying to understand. And like, I remember the first 490 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,640 time I was like, dude, this guy's scary. 491 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,040 Like he's just on another level, you know, he's talking was a 492 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,600 talking about like Omega wave and like all the different 493 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,240 things that he was doing with that. 494 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,920 And like, you know, like, and he was like he's a, he was a big 495 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,880 West side guy, but he was like West side isn't, isn't 496 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,360 necessarily for everyone at certain times because you have 497 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,960 to pick your spot because if it gets you what you want, then you 498 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,040 did it. But like you don't just do 499 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,240 something to do it. And you know, he, the guy's 500 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600 awesome. He hadn't ran phone and that 501 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,400 guy's that guy's really smart too. 502 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,960 He's got great hair. What I mean yeah, yeah. 503 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,720 And that's that's where though, like I mean I because one of the 504 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,880 things that I did want to talk to you about is like FRC 505 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,120 especially because they've they've evolved it. 506 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:38,840 But for me, that was the thing that like, like again, not to 507 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,680 talk bad on on people like you were saying before, actually, I 508 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,800 was going to ask you before we start recording this, I'm going 509 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,280 to chop this part out here, but calling people out. 510 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,760 Do you want to go by names or you just want to talk around 511 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,440 people? We'll just talk around people 512 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,880 because, you know, some of them may, some may not even be like 513 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,720 they may not be aware of what we're saying. 514 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,640 So it's whatever. Sure, but I mean, for me, like 515 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,200 going to seeing what the FRC guys were doing, especially the 516 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,040 person who like, I think he was in Minnesota, he introduced me 517 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,920 to him. He's like, hey, you should go 518 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,120 check this guy out. He's doing crazy stuff with like 519 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,480 something with like mobility and quarters and his big toe. 520 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,840 It's just like, you know, and these guys are doing some crazy 521 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,400 stuff and you start looking into you're just like, wait, that's 522 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,680 breaking everything. Like literally before I went an 523 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,000 intern with Cal, I went back out to Cressy and like spent a week 524 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,800 out there and that's when like I realized Mike Boyle is out 525 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,840 there. You know, I was like, oh, how 526 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,920 many other like really great SNC coaches are out here, you know, 527 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,800 and I went and visited my grand phone and then I can't remember 528 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,080 his name. Anyways, it doesn't matter. 529 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,400 There's a bunch of other people. So I like, I went and observed a 530 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,160 whole bunch of different stuff. So I got to see a lot of 531 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,960 different things, you know, you know, to be able to kind of 532 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,400 compare and contrast of like Cressy's place, Mike Boyle's 533 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,320 place, champion's performance. And then I think it's might be 534 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,240 strength to you is and I'm trying to remember his name. 535 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,000 That's up there. But anyways, it doesn't matter. 536 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,240 But point is is like got to see all that. 537 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,280 And the reason I wanted to do that is because I knew that what 538 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,960 Cal was doing was completely contrary and broke all the rules 539 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,720 that like I had learned out of my base of like how guys are 540 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,440 supposed to move, you know, like anterior pelvic tilt was the 541 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,760 devil, you know, and like bending the spine too much or 542 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,960 whatever, like is all, you know, because your cows doing a whole 543 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560 bunch of like stuff with like basically in like a plank 544 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,040 position. I can't remember what it's, you 545 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,360 know, what we're working on exactly. 546 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,240 But like guys are like in these really like heavily anterior 547 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,920 pelvically tilted positions. I'm like, you know, when you go 548 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,320 hang out with somebody or you're around somebody for a long time, 549 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,280 like they just influence you. So I was like, I don't want to 550 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,160 lose my base. I really want my base solid 551 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,600 before I go in there. And what was interesting about 552 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:51,040 all that whole experience was that FRC really broke, broke my 553 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,760 mind a little bit. Unlike these traditional ways of 554 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,080 thinking of how movement is supposed to be and what you can 555 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,840 do, right? You know, you know, you talked 556 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,080 about like opening up capsular space and all this sort of 557 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,240 stuff. Like these are the things they 558 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,120 were doing were almost unheard of at the time, you know, as far 559 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,480 as like changing ranges of motion and whatever. 560 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,640 I mean, because, you know, when I was doing all my warm up stuff 561 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,040 and my mobility work, I mean, I did that till the cows came 562 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,920 home. And I don't feel like I really 563 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,160 changed much of anything, you know, and I felt like, Oh, I'm 564 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,520 going to have to be doing my clamshells forever for my back 565 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,440 pain and whatever. And so it's just one of those 566 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,400 things that it's, it's a really for me, FRC was like, was like 567 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,320 Charlie of just like, hey, here are some of the basic 568 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,680 fundamental things of how we need to think about all this 569 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,840 stuff. And granted, I didn't go to 570 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,280 school for SNC, you know, I just started getting into it rather 571 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,840 than going to the school route. Because when I was in school, I 572 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,720 just thought all the, the sport exercise science guys were just 573 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,120 lazy because they're all athletes. 574 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,480 Like I know what they're like, you know, so I'm like that that 575 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,720 can't be a real major, you know? And you know, lo and behold, as 576 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,040 I'm getting done, I'm like, oh, OK. 577 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,680 But anyways, so that for me, like I'm just kind of curious on 578 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,320 like FRC because like the whole, you know, the reason you get 579 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,880 injured is because the, the load exceeds the capacity of the 580 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,280 tissues. And so if you want to prevent 581 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,160 injury, you need to build a capacity greater than greater 582 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,080 than the the load or the demands going to be. 583 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,480 And so because like, it was interesting because like 584 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,000 everything that I was the even though it wasn't true, because 585 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,800 even Greg when I went to Cressy performance is like dude, like, 586 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,880 you know, just you may think it's like all the training, but 587 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,120 like Tim Collins came in and could do like A1 sided bird dog 588 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,520 like day one. Like the dude was a was a freak 589 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,640 when he first walked in. But, but the narrative was with 590 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,240 like, and kind of still is it starting to change more? 591 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,880 But the narrative was is just, you just need to make him 592 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,800 strong. That's it. 593 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,760 Like what all strength coaches are ran across. 594 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,120 You just got, especially young ones, you just got to make him 595 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,360 strong. You just got to make him strong. 596 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,680 And I was back in turning at Hamlin and we're sitting in the 597 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,840 office with my strength coach and, and one of the the interns 598 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,440 from or who is over at EU is like, you know what's 599 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,800 interesting? The guys who are the best in the 600 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,720 weight room usually are not the best athletes. 601 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,280 Yeah, like the middle of the. Pack. 602 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,800 The best athletes are like the middle of the pack and the and 603 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,160 the weight. Yeah, or the worst one in the 604 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,440 end, like right, he doesn't work hard in the weight room, he 605 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,840 doesn't move a ton of weight, but yet he's playing everyday 606 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,960 and the guy who's freaking just absolutely crushing it sitting 607 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,960 on the bench. Yeah. 608 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,560 And I agree with you on that. I've seen that in my facility. 609 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,200 I've seen it with some of the pro guys. 610 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,080 I've actually seen some of my pro guys, they'll go to like a 611 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,160 major facility and they'll be like, oh, you're not elite 612 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,120 strength. And if you tell a big league guy 613 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,000 that they're going to go, oh, well, that's I'm going to change 614 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,440 that. And then what happens? 615 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,480 You know, like skill goes down. Well, and that's kind of the 616 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,880 thing that I think is interesting because I don't, you 617 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,720 know, SNC does have the potential to change a guy's 618 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,000 career. No, right. 619 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,480 But it's, it's the, it's the application and the fact that 620 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,800 we, we sat there and it was like, and everybody just kept 621 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,960 saying strength, strength, strength. 622 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,120 And like, there's, there's one modality out there right now 623 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,400 that like kind of uses that language because you know, 624 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,600 there's, there's something to it, right? 625 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,080 Like what I learned from Boyle and some of the stuff listening 626 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,880 to is like all about how to talk to sport coaches, you know, to 627 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,680 get them to buy into what you're doing, right? 628 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,640 So talk about functional, functional, functional, right? 629 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,440 Until all of a sudden the word starts to lose its meaning. 630 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,320 And I think that's kind of a, a similar thing of like everybody 631 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,960 has been conditioned to see the value of the strength coach as 632 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,680 like strength. I'm here to make your guys 633 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,000 stronger. Because you know what, going 634 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,120 back to the measurement piece, I can measure that and I can show 635 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,680 you, you know it. Because now at this point, it's 636 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,760 almost a science. Like after X number of weeks, 637 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,800 like I'm pretty sure like I'm going to have better numbers 638 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,720 than when we started, you know, And so like all that sort of 639 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,240 stuff. And, and so to me though, that's 640 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,160 that's why I started to exit out of the SNC because I started to 641 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,400 realize this was not the silver bullet that I thought it was. 642 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,040 Like, I mean, obviously I was too small when I played and all 643 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,560 that sort of Strunk stuff. But at the same point it was 644 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,200 not, it was not going to overcome my deficiencies as an 645 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,720 athlete. Like there were, there were 646 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,320 other things. And there's the fact that like, 647 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,639 you know, it was once I started getting into like the, the motor 648 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:17,520 learning stuff it and part of my story is I had to when I when I 649 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,920 came back from pitch and Palooza Eugene, or when I was at pitch 650 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,840 and Palooza, Sorry, actually it was through FRC. 651 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,040 Stephen Oster, Sir. He. 652 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,480 Was even talking. Forever. 653 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,920 That guy's smart. Right. 654 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,040 And he was, they were talking, he, him and Shivers were talking 655 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,960 about dynamical systems and a little bit of eco D stuff like 656 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,199 very, very early on. And so I started looking into 657 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,360 that and then I started going to pitch a palooza because Steven 658 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,920 was was talking there. So I was like, oh, I got to go 659 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,600 to this because I want to, I want to hear him talk. 660 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,719 And while I'm there, I meet Eugene Bleecker and Bleecker is 661 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,840 just going on and on about how you have to, you have to read 662 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,880 dynamics of skill acquisition. And he basically just like 663 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,360 berated me like that that one evening and I was like, all 664 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,200 right, so I go back like the first night, I go find APDF copy 665 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,880 on the web and I'm like starting to go through this thing and I 666 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,480 come back and I was working with Tyler Earby at inspired 667 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,680 athletics. And as soon as I come back, I'm 668 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,400 like, Tyler, what do you know about dynamics of skill 669 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,240 acquisition? Start asking a whole bunch of 670 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:21,320 questions and he's just kind of like, you know, he, he gave me 671 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,200 some, some, some of the answers or evasive answers or whatever. 672 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,880 And then I see Sean's sport movement skill conference and 673 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,680 I'm like, Tyler, we have to go to this. 674 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,560 And I had to convince him a little bit because at that time, 675 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,720 Sean was our competition in the, in the like the, because we're 676 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:38,960 working with football players or whatever. 677 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,640 And so, but I finally convinced him to go. 678 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,520 And like for, for both Tyler and me, like that was kind of the 679 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,040 after that it was like, oh, whoa, you know, like it was a 680 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,160 big eye opener for both of us of like what ecological dynamics 681 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,040 is. And, and so like that, that I 682 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,240 guess because it just made it made intuitive sense once, you 683 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,920 know, Bruce Lee was the one who changed my whole thinking about 684 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,120 strength and conditioning, because before that, my, my dad 685 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,400 was in the martial arts and it was all about technique, 686 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,600 technique, technique. And when I learned that Bruce 687 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,680 lifted weights, I was like, Oh, I need to, because you know, 688 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,000 when, when weightlifting, because I had actually a chance 689 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,200 to, to lift with Sean when I was in high school, he came and 690 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,440 promoted, you know, like, Hey, come train with me. 691 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,760 And I was like, Nah, you know, I'll just focus on my technique 692 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,040 and I'll be, I'll be able to hit the ball harder, farther or 693 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,760 whatever and, and whatnot. And so that was kind of my, my 694 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,640 mentality going through all of it, just how I was brought up. 695 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,320 And so, and also is too macho for me. 696 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,680 Like everybody was in the weight room and just all about how much 697 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,080 can I lift? And I was just like, I can't, I, 698 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,600 I'm a small dude. I don't, I don't, my brain 699 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,600 doesn't work like that. I'm not all about the, the 700 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,880 machismo stuff. And so anyways, with all that, 701 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,040 it was, it was interesting to see like kind of how that kind 702 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,320 of all looped around because the function like the thing that 703 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,640 drew me to Bruce was it was all about functionality. 704 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,680 And then when I encounter Eco DI was like, oh, this takes it even 705 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,800 further, right? So the what, what Bruce was 706 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,400 saying got me into S&C. And then what Bruce was talking 707 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,040 about also pulled me right into Eco D because I just saw the 708 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,840 connection right away. Like, Oh my gosh, this is 709 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,920 exactly what I've been looking for. 710 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,640 So anyways, I'm just curious if you have any either one of you 711 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,760 thoughts on on any of those things. 712 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:33,240 I can go so, So I mean, yeah, it was really interesting because I 713 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:40,640 was a as a baseball guy, you know, I always became really 714 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:48,000 confused because it's like when I abandoned a technique and I 715 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000 just focused on the pitcher and the timing. 716 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,560 I would hit nukes and I was like, I would try to like 717 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,840 recreate that. And it's like, OK, well, my 718 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:05,520 technique again, because I was explosive at 200 and 35240 lbs, 719 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,640 I'm going to get on top of the ball. 720 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,080 And it worked in pro ball because I hit for a pretty high 721 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,040 average and I was just blasting balls to the infield. 722 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,800 Well, as soon as I get on base, I clog it. 723 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,840 And it's like, I'm not, I'm not moving. 724 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,560 Like I'm not even probably advancing on dirt ball reads 725 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,960 because, you know, I was a catcher. 726 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,280 But I also then started to really realize it's like, man, 727 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,760 yeah, anticipate, anticipation is like a really big thing. 728 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,840 And but if I'm so focused on a technique, what does that do to 729 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,640 my anticipation? What does that do to how I'm 730 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,560 actually seeing what's happening? 731 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,560 And what I started to realize, especially as I started going 732 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,640 the E code D is that I was becoming too internally 733 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:03,080 processed. And it was just like, OK of I I 734 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,960 didn't do it right this time. So I got AI got to go to the 735 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,000 batting cage, hit off the tee, you know, get on top the ball, 736 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,880 try to back. I remember this thing I was for 737 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,240 the Mariners. They had me try to back spin 738 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,440 balls off of a low tee. Like it was just like, and they 739 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,560 were just like, I was just hitting like a little floaters 740 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,120 and I was like, they're like, oh, yeah, I'm like, I'm like, 741 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,760 bro, like that's what you want. Like I can do that all day, you 742 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,320 know, like, but you want me to like, but like I got around the 743 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,480 40 man guy because I was in AA in spring training and I, I hit 744 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,600 the ball well and this 40 man guy comes up to me. 745 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,040 He's like, hey, Johnson or you can hit a little bit. 746 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,440 Let's see you drive the ball out of the yard. 747 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,560 No clue on how to do it because like I was programmed this 748 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,320 technique and, and then like after like 8 swings, he's like, 749 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,800 I see enough. He just walks off. 750 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,200 And then a couple weeks later my ass is on a flight back to 751 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,600 Gaithersburg. So you know, it was but going 752 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:08,840 like going back into the FRC thing, man, like it just adds a 753 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,080 whole nother layer. So like because I love how 754 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,840 they're talking about how in one they appreciate Thomas Myers 755 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,240 like one that's a huge deal because like the the coolest 756 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:26,160 thing I ever heard Thomas Myers talk about was how he feels. 757 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,400 I think it was a bacillus. It was just like, maybe, I mean, 758 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,280 I might be getting it wrong, but it's like this Italian 759 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,600 anatomist, maybe it was in the 1300s or something like that, 760 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,440 and he's chopping muscles like this. 761 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,600 And Thomas Meyer starts saying we should have, we should have 762 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,440 created our, our, our anatomy charts by slicing along the 763 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,640 lines that create rails of movement. 764 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,800 And as soon as I heard that, I was like, wait. 765 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,880 And they start talking about how like mussels, like just a pack 766 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,600 of hot dogs, it's strung together and it just started 767 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,400 making so much sense. And then FRC they, they, they, 768 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,080 they appreciate that. So I immediately I was like, OK, 769 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,760 they're really appreciating the way people move, but they're 770 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,520 also looking at it's like, well, if you have restrictions in this 771 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,760 one area and you call to it to do something it's not capable 772 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:26,160 of, it's a very slippery slope one you will not the there, the 773 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,300 mechano reception reception that you're trying to call on non 774 00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:33,120 existent. You don't have enough capsular 775 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:36,080 input from that or, or feedback from that. 776 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,200 So you're going to do what the joint allows. 777 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,520 And if you tried to do something beyond that and there, there 778 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,320 could be some consequences. And I thought it was really 779 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,040 fascinating, especially once they started talking like what? 780 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,200 What sold me on FRC was when they started talking about 781 00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:59,680 understanding when you see a dysfunctional joint, it's like 782 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,320 if you see a dysfunctional joint, it's as simple as they 783 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,440 they, they lose internal rotation. 784 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,560 And I'm like, oh, I see that all the time. 785 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,280 And then it's like, then I try, like you said, like doing bird 786 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,920 dogs and stuff like that. Like cool, those are good prep 787 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,320 exercises. Like we use them still just 788 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,560 because, like now we use them to a PRI perspective where we try 789 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,080 to think about how we're going to actually reciprocate motion. 790 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,200 Like like, OK, we're going to do a clamshell. 791 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,720 We're going to hit, you know, hit the glue, the the lateral 792 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,280 aspects of it. Well, you need to have the 793 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,600 medial aspects of the other leg, which would be the adductor. 794 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,880 So getting them to do that like sideline hip shift and then to a 795 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,240 clamshell, you know, and you know, but The thing is, is 796 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,280 people still do it wrong. So going back to eco D, you can 797 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,000 constrain it and they're like, Oh, I can't, I can't go as far. 798 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,440 It's like, well, that's because that's what you actually have 799 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,000 from that the, the, the hip socket, the hip joint. 800 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,560 And what you're actually doing is you're doing lumbar rotation 801 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,440 instead. So like, what do you, what do 802 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,560 you want from this? Like, do you want, you know, 803 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,520 hip, hip external rotators to, to work? 804 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,080 Or are you just worried about the range of motion? 805 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,440 And like, I think this is another aspect of thing is like 806 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,800 when you get an FRC, they completely changed my mind on 807 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,600 stretching because they're not sitting here saying stretching 808 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,040 is a bad thing. But stretching without motor 809 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,320 activity is useless because you have nothing that's going to 810 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,440 speak to the system to tell it like, hey, this is actually what 811 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,720 I want it to do. You know, then you become 812 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:40,240 flaccid, you know, like I was, you know, I can you look at the, 813 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,120 you know, the dynamics of things. 814 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,040 We're all fluid. So if you get flaccid and you 815 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,840 become this baggy that's too loose, you got no control. 816 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,000 So it's, you know, and then they start talking about throwing, 817 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,560 throwing high kicks, you know, like people do the splits, throw 818 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,160 high kicks, but they can't actually high kick, you know. 819 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,840 And so then that and then they started talking about ecological 820 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,320 dynamics. And I think they talk more about 821 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:10,520 like dynamical systems theory, but it just once I think that 822 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:15,400 really kicked over the silos. It really bridges strength 823 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,680 conditioning because like they're like, we don't care that 824 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,800 you backs why we don't care that you dead left. 825 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,720 We just want to make sure the people who are doing it are 826 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:28,920 prepared to actually do it. And do you have a fail safe plan 827 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,720 in case they do express some repetition? 828 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,880 That is not what you consider ideal. 829 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,600 So now you're developing this like bulletproof jacket in a 830 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,760 sense to your body because you can, you like the low bearing 831 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,920 capacity thing and you know, and then you start going like they 832 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,880 got me really interested in my, and my doctor. 833 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,000 I got really into isometrics and, and it's just like, man, 834 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,640 like why are like, why are we wasting our time loading slowly, 835 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,640 loading up a deadlift bar when we could do an isometric and 836 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,240 you're already ready to go and it's just one and it's going to 837 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:14,240 save you time. 2 The PAP effects are fantastic and you can 838 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,640 compare them into plyometrics because I think that's a big 839 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,720 thing is like we're using plyometrics, do some contrast. 840 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,920 It's like, that's great and everything contrast has its 841 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,400 place. But like, you know, but like, 842 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,160 can we get these guys prepared actually to lift and lift fast? 843 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,080 And I think the other thing they started talking about is like 844 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,520 Spina started talking about like your brain doesn't know what 845 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:41,080 £500 is. It just knows the effort that 846 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,720 it's going to take to lift the weight. 847 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,240 And, you know, and then this goes back into like, again, when 848 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,680 you get to the what's the ISSM internal strength model? 849 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,080 Yeah. And they started talking about, 850 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,160 they started talking about those ideas. 851 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,840 And it just started like, I'm like, what am I doing here? 852 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,200 Like allowing these kids to like take an extra 20 minutes to warm 853 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,840 up and we're just fatiguing them. 854 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,600 And it's like, well, if we have this window for like to actually 855 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,240 handle the strength capacity of things, the more I fatigue them, 856 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,360 Especially if like, you know, we use sprints and stuff like that. 857 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,600 We time sprints to kind of determine where they are at 858 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,120 times. And it's like if someone's 859 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,480 running like a 171 day and the next day they're running at 19, 860 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,400 it's really easy to say and ask them the questions. 861 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,200 It's like, well, how you feeling today? 862 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,880 And that goes, you know, but you you start looking at inputs, 863 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,800 right? Like, OK, and I once you start 864 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,120 creating the input, you don't need to do anything more than 865 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,520 that. And even Huberman talks about 866 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,880 that, and I think it's really fascinating. 867 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,000 Where? By by input, do you mean? 868 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,560 Because it's my interpretation of it is once the signal is 869 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,080 sent, right? So let's say I want to put I 870 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,440 want more tissue. Well, you have to basically go 871 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,080 to the point you have to send the signal to, to the body of 872 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,040 that like actually, I need more tissue. 873 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,800 So then basically the, the, my understand is you got to go to 874 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,600 fatigue because if you can do it, the system goes, Oh, I got 875 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,840 it. Like, why do I need to give you 876 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,200 more tissue if I can already do this? 877 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,560 Now I, I do actually think that's not necessarily always 878 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,040 true. Maybe if you want the most 879 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,880 tissue growth because like there are plenty of times where right 880 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,520 we did, we do sub Max stuff and we still get hypertrophy. 881 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,680 You know, you don't go to complete failure, but there's a 882 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,240 reason why the, the bodybuilders do, right? 883 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,640 Because they, they legitimately are trying to maximize that. 884 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,880 But but I think the big thing to me was like, once you send the 885 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,760 signal to the tissue that like, hey, we need more, we you need 886 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,720 more strength or we're going to do this again. 887 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,920 The signal sent like basically Espina's whole point was like, 888 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,200 why do you got to do more curls? Like once you sent the signal to 889 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,240 the biceps, like why are you doing more biceps? 890 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,800 Yeah, like one thing, one thing on fire was stolen. 891 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,080 Like once it's on fire and swollen, it's like, do you 892 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,880 really need to create muscle damage because. 893 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,160 Or or even 2 like to to speed right? 894 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,600 Like once the signal is sent, like we're, we're fatigued, 895 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,080 we're done and we, we, we capped it like signal sent need, need 896 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,120 to go faster next time, right? We don't need to do any more 897 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,960 sprints because the at that point, right? 898 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,720 I mean, we even know this, right, with fatigue of like, OK, 899 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,240 once I, once I'm burnt out of all my ATP and creatine and all 900 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,200 that's gone. Well, now we're in a different 901 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,400 energy system, you know, and now we're, we're training something 902 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,520 submax, which is not Max, Max speed, right? 903 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,400 So it's like, why are we wasting our time with this? 904 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,640 Plus your injury risk goes up and all this sort of stuff and 905 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,400 you're just like, what, what are we doing here? 906 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,120 Right? If that's your goal, going back 907 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,240 to the adaptation piece, if that's the adaptation you're 908 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,120 going for, you already sent the signal. 909 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,480 Like the rest of that stuff is just a waste of time. 910 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,800 So anyways, but but that's sorry, the whole input system, 911 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,560 sorry, I want to go on this too, because this is the other 912 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,440 element is like from the internal strength model. 913 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,880 The thing that was thrown out there is like we can actually 914 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,480 the big issue is like we everybody is training just the 915 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,200 red stuff. You know, all the training is 916 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,840 red stuff. You know, the muscle, the 917 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,480 muscle, the muscle. It's like, well, where are all 918 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,080 our injuries happening? Tendons. 919 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,240 Right. And so it's like going back to 920 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,000 the isometrics, right? Like that was the thing that was 921 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,200 brought up is like, OK, if you really want to train the 922 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,720 tendons, you got to be able, you have to, you have to funnel more 923 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,880 of the force towards the tendon so that you can stimulate the 924 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,200 growth there. That's where you get the end 925 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,840 ranges right. Yes. 926 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,720 So anyways, that that's where like for me again, like the part 927 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,800 of the reason to want to talk to you is like, how are you 928 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,160 integrating all this stuff, right? 929 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,320 Because just even for myself, I'm sitting here and going like, 930 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,440 OK, I see the potential, but because because everything is 931 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,680 just a weekend thing, it's like I can't master a system in a 932 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,560 weekend. I don't even know, like, OK, I 933 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,840 can see the potential, but I like, how do I, how does this 934 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:46,400 work? Right? 935 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,600 Like there's so much about this is where Eco D as well as like 936 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,760 really informed me of like the importance of and, and two I 937 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,960 wanted to get into as well, because you talked about like 938 00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:00,840 appreciating the, the other disciplines, right, Not just 939 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,600 being siloed. And, and David Snowden, who, who 940 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,240 is the founder and creator of cannabin, he talks about the 941 00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,600 power of the generalist in a world of specialists. 942 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,960 You need a generalist who understands like things across 943 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,720 the board or like, you know, across disciplines and domains 944 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,840 and is able to see the connection so you can actually 945 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,240 integrate these things back together. 946 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,080 And so I say all that to say is like, how are you integrating 947 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,640 it? Especially, you know, from, for 948 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,040 myself, it's like there's so much nuance because this is the 949 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,960 other thing that Sundo is saying is like, we can only articulate 950 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,680 about 10% of what we we know. And obviously that's like a 951 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,480 complete, you know, guesstimate, I'm sure. 952 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,480 But but the main point is like, there's a vast amount that we 953 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,840 know that is embodied and only comes up in situ, you know, in 954 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,880 the situation. So you're not going to think to 955 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,160 explain it or to do it or to say it or to teach it until you get 956 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,000 into that situation. And so that's where like an 957 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,360 apprenticeship, you know, for two years, you spend 2 years 958 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,520 with a person, how much of the stuff that they don't even know 959 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,680 to say or to talk about, but you through doing it and doing it 960 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,840 alongside of them, begin to understand how that system 961 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,240 really comes together. That's how I began to understand 962 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,960 Triphasic. I mean, I had literally interned 963 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,600 under three different people who are using the system. 964 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,120 So I got to see the system used in three different ways. 965 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,280 And so I have AI have a deeper understanding of that because of 966 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,840 the fact that I had, I got to see people how they were 967 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,920 implementing it. So I guess that that's why I'm 968 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,560 asking this question. Like how are you trying to 969 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,720 integrate all these different things from the different 970 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:36,520 modalities to, you know, even Franz Bosch, which I think is 971 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,520 different than ecological dynamics. 972 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,280 There's overlap for sure. And even I think Franz talks 973 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,960 more about like, you know, he's really dynamical systems. 974 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,800 Like that's his approach to it. And so I'm kind of curious like 975 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,160 how, how are you integrating all this, you know, all this 976 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,400 education that you put together, how is that integrating to how 977 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,720 you're working with your athletes? 978 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,000 Well, I, I will quote Mike Boyle again. 979 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,600 There's what you know and what you can implement. 980 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,800 And I think this is where I have my own particular skill set that 981 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,120 I don't demand from my employees. 982 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,400 I think it's just, it would be very frustrating for them. 983 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,560 And that's why I try to set the most basic systems possible. 984 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,080 And I tried to put my brain on a spreadsheet so they can 985 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,040 understand and then ask questions. 986 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,280 So I, I guess with the, I'm starting off from the deepest 987 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,960 layer, I look at PRI is that because they appreciate 988 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,560 breathing And I look at, you know, when, when we're brought 989 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,600 into this earth, God gives us the ability to, you know, to 990 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,320 exist. And the only way that we 991 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,000 actually get to exist is through breath. 992 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,480 So, you know, and they, FMS has a great breathing model. 993 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,000 I don't know if you've ever gotten into it. 994 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,800 It's actually really super simple course, but you have this 995 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,000 Venn diagram where you have bio mechanics, biomechanical and you 996 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,680 have psychophysiological. And if you can bring And so to 997 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,320 me that when I see a Venn diagram, I immediately think of 998 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,320 eco D because we're trying to bring people into this 999 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,280 functional variability. And if I can get someone at the 1000 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,680 deepest level to reduce the noise in their system, 1001 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,560 plasticity goes up, you know, in every word. 1002 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,600 And then so like in, in and we go back to the, the motor 1003 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,480 learning principle. Is it primacy and recency? 1004 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,600 It's like your brain is going to learn best on what it first does 1005 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,120 and the last thing it does. So I always try to start with 1006 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,680 that idea in mind. It's like, OK, if I have someone 1007 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,400 that comes to me and they're like, OK, well, my shoulder 1008 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,640 feels like the crap and I check it and their internal rotation 1009 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,520 is Doo Doo. OK, Well, I know that when they 1010 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,960 go to try to drive through the shoulder, they're probably not 1011 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,640 going to have complete control of the joint. 1012 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,640 It's dysfunctional. So that's when I pull someone 1013 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,120 out and I work on them and I use whether it be, I start off with 1014 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,720 some breathing, then I'll go through some RPR just to kind of 1015 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:07,120 get the system connected. And this doesn't always work, 1016 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,480 but it seems to, it seems to be like, OK, they get a little bit 1017 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,200 better and then the next day they're even better. 1018 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,080 And then the next time I see them, I asked was like, how's it 1019 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,600 going? They're like, Oh yeah, I forgot 1020 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,440 about it. And it's like, well, I'm never 1021 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,800 going to talk to you about it again because mine virus, I 1022 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,560 don't want to keep it planted. And so like PRI and FRC is kind 1023 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:34,200 of like an RPR kind of special skills that I reserve for, for 1024 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,080 people because, you know, to be honest with you, FRC is like 1025 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,160 it's super deep. So is PRII mean our PR super 1026 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,160 deep too? Even to the point where I mean. 1027 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,720 PRI, the thing like, 'cause I went down that rabbit hole and 1028 00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:50,640 once I went to somebody and This is why for me, I stepped away 1029 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,760 from it. I was talking with somebody, 1030 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,880 like local, and I was talking to them and they're like, yeah, 1031 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,680 I've been doing PRI for a long time. 1032 00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,680 And I was talking with somebody else who's been doing it a long 1033 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,480 time and they're like, I still don't understand it. 1034 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,800 I was like, you've been doing this for 15 years and you still 1035 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,080 don't get it. I was like, I'm out like if you 1036 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,600 like, you know, if you like, because to me that that was 1037 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,240 where not that there isn't value there, right? 1038 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:17,880 Like, I mean, because how, how lots of people in the industry 1039 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,480 were talking about it, it was way too, too watered down. 1040 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,480 Like, I mean, the whole like, it's literally like you said, 1041 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,760 it's about reciprocal motion, but everybody got stuck with 1042 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,360 like, well, because everybody is in this way. 1043 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,640 So then we got to constantly be in like left side down, left 1044 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,840 side down. And this is where, again, 1045 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,400 talking about freedom for me, just getting into to FRC and 1046 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,200 just being like, listen, you need to to move in all different 1047 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,280 directions in all different ways all the time. 1048 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,960 And the more like just the whole thing of like, oh, you got to 1049 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,480 hold yourself a certain way in a certain posture. 1050 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,200 It's like, no, just don't stand one posture. 1051 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,760 Yeah, posture. 'S dynamic, it's adaptable. 1052 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,160 Right. So I mean like, you know, 1053 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,400 because it used to be like, oh man, you got these rolled 1054 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,520 shoulders forward like oh, you got to get that low scabbing. 1055 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,840 You get that like, you know, biceps in the right position. 1056 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:06,080 Really, it it was you, you basically gave yourself OCD. 1057 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,160 Yeah, yeah, just. Cause and so it was just, you 1058 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,640 know, going back to like what you're saying about like doming 1059 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,520 yourself up about your positions that you're in and trying to 1060 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,640 perform, like how domed you get and like how much that affects 1061 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,360 how you're relating to the environment. 1062 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,320 Well, that's why I use it more as like a pain management thing 1063 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,680 because I know if if I can get someone to feel a little bit 1064 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:33,240 better, they're going to express more variability of movement 1065 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,200 because now they're not working around the pain. 1066 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,960 So this is where I got it. I've actually started removing 1067 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,120 it because. And I also see it's like so many 1068 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,200 people coach it wrong and it's they're forgetting to understand 1069 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,080 that there's these reference centers. 1070 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,040 And I think what a lot of people miss is when, like Ron Haruska 1071 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:56,160 talks about, hey, look like the left AICBC are your most base 1072 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,560 patterns, but you can have super impositions on top of those. 1073 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,280 That's why you need to to, to to screen and do table assessments 1074 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,400 so you understand and you don't automatically go. 1075 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,040 So like if you see a guy with left internal rotation issue, 1076 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,280 well, he still is probably going to have a right internal 1077 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,080 rotation issue, but it might not be on the outset. 1078 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,480 It might be after you clear the Super imposition and you get him 1079 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,560 back to a left AIC. So this is where it's like, I 1080 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,920 just, I just follow the trail and it's like, okay, well, I 1081 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,320 know if they're lacking left internal rotation, I need to 1082 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,040 look at a contralateral, you know, lower rib. 1083 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,360 And I also need to look at a left serratus because left 1084 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,600 serratus creates stability for internal rotation, as you know, 1085 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,560 as the arm gets into anterior position. 1086 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,280 So once you clear that and if they both function cool, like 1087 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,920 great. And but the other thing is, is 1088 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,040 like, to me, it's just like, OK, it's a realignment. 1089 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,440 And if I can get people to feel their heels more, like I was 1090 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,600 like, hey, like, what do you feel from the ground right now? 1091 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,800 Like you feel like more, more heel strike. 1092 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,800 And after like, yeah, I feel that I'm like, OK, cool, that's 1093 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,160 enough. Like I got them stacked now. 1094 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,240 It's like, how do I? And this is where I think FRC 1095 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,360 nails it is. They're all about reintegrating 1096 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,280 what you've worked on into something you need. 1097 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,520 And it's like with a baseball player, it's like, so I had this 1098 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,560 guy that plays at Salisbury was super superhuman, just like, 1099 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,080 great dude, but it's just a lot of mobility. 1100 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,000 Like you'd be classified as a loose mover. 1101 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,440 And the interesting thing is everyone tried to change him. 1102 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:39,120 And I'm like, look, and they're going to change you because this 1103 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,440 is what they know. But what you and I both know 1104 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,160 because we worked together for five years is you've been loose. 1105 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,560 Like your upper body is like, you're Gumby, bro. 1106 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,040 Like, like what you like what you want, you know, like you 1107 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,040 want to go back in time and have your mom marry a different guy. 1108 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,120 Like what do you want? This is this is what you got. 1109 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,760 And so like, he's like, well, after I started changing it, I 1110 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,760 started getting like this because they tried to shorten 1111 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,320 him up and he wasn't removing slack. 1112 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,400 So when what ends up happening is he's going to start driving 1113 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,680 that front shoulder to try to generate barrel versus, you 1114 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,400 know, using the elastic nature of your system. 1115 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,160 And I want to say muscle because it's obviously fascia and muscle 1116 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,880 just anchors fascia and creates this kind of this, this 1117 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,160 suspension, which is really freaking cool. 1118 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,320 But as soon, so I took him through an FRC protocol that, 1119 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,680 you know, I had to manipulate. I had to pump his ribs first 1120 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,040 because his ribs were all, because I mean, he was stressed 1121 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,920 out. And that was the other thing is 1122 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,360 like, I think that's the beautiful thing about PRI is you 1123 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,000 can really regulate someone with it if you know what you're 1124 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,240 doing. It's just compliance because 1125 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,280 it's weird, you know? I tried to use this with by. 1126 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,200 Compliance. Do you mean like the compliance 1127 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,280 of the tissue or do you mean the the compliance of the athlete? 1128 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,680 To the athlete, the athlete, because it's weird, because, 1129 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,120 well, an athlete wants to athlete they don't like I had a, 1130 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,000 a guy with the San Francisco Giants. 1131 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,280 He was the starting left fielder. 1132 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,840 You could look it up. He broke his collarbone right 1133 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,880 into a wall and he, he, you know, he had a history of back 1134 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,480 pain. And he kept stretching his 1135 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,040 hamstrings and really big anterior pelvic tilt. 1136 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,280 It's like, I'm not trying to take away the anterior pelvic 1137 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,600 tilt. I'm just trying to put it in a 1138 01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,920 better position for you so that way you can be yourself and not 1139 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,440 have to worry about your pain and, and try to work around 1140 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,560 pain. And he goes, I'm not doing these 1141 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,800 old lady exercises. And I'm like, fair enough. 1142 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,520 Like we won't do them ever. And then you get other guys. 1143 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,000 I've worked with a a World Series player and he was like 1144 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,600 dude, whatever you tell me, I'll do it. 1145 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,600 I'll give you my honest feedback. 1146 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,720 So compliance is different based off of someones belief system 1147 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,720 and history. And I think that's something 1148 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,280 that also needs to be appreciated. 1149 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,360 But I think what FRC does is like I, I look at PRI is like 1150 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,080 the base layer and then FRC is kind of like everything that 1151 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,640 moves you forward. And we use, like I said, we 1152 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,440 still use FMS because like Charlie taught, taught me how to 1153 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,560 break down the FMS. He's like, if you know what 1154 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,640 you're looking at, like on an inline lunge, you can evaluate a 1155 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,040 big toe. I'm like, he goes, yeah, so like 1156 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,840 if someone sucks to the split squat because their trail leg, 1157 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,760 their kickstand won't kickstand, put it up on a rear foot 1158 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,320 elevator so they don't have to worry about their big toe. 1159 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:30,400 And I'm like, huh. Because we always look at like 1160 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:36,120 the rear foot elevator is like a pretty big step forward away 1161 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,720 from a, a split squat. And you know, because it's like 1162 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,160 split squat, reverse lunge, single like single leg 1163 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,960 isolation. And you know, it just made so 1164 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,640 much sense. And then you, but then you start 1165 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,560 to see overlap between every system because even FRC starts 1166 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,960 talking about the importance of irradiation coming from the 1167 01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,520 middle. And PRI talked about that too, 1168 01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,120 because that's called zone of that position. 1169 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,800 Then PRI calls it or FRC calls it just irradiation from the 1170 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,040 middle and then. Did you ever go down the DNS? 1171 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. 1172 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:09,360 Yeah. So. 1173 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,720 I'm just kind of curious because I feel like that's a connection 1174 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,840 even though I didn't. I mean, I briefly touched. 1175 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,400 On DNS with, I'm just curious. Yeah, DNS with intra abdominal 1176 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,440 pressure. And then, and then even you even 1177 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,760 go into FMS, they start talking about it's like, hey, look like, 1178 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,160 like Mike Boyle would say, it's like if you see a bad straight 1179 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,000 leg raise, it's because you're, you're having a sequencing 1180 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,480 issue. The core probably isn't doing 1181 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:40,760 its job to position the pelvis to create a better acid tower 1182 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,440 position for the the leg to swing. 1183 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,480 Yes, you could have a tissue extensibility on the backside, 1184 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,000 but you know, usually like, and then you go in the PRI, usually 1185 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,280 if you see some of the flat, a flat butt, well, you know, 1186 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,960 you're going to have some tissue extensibility issue. 1187 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,960 That's actually because things are tight. 1188 01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,280 And then you see some of the anterior pelvic tilt, they have 1189 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,360 tightness because there's already linked there. 1190 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,120 And then they try to stretch to the length to get flaccid, lose, 1191 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,040 lose motor control and you know, they can't absorb forces because 1192 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,960 they're constantly at length. So, you know, I think going back 1193 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,480 and it's, it's kind of like seeing where people are. 1194 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,280 And I think a lot of it is intuition, but I, I think 1195 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,800 especially the population I work with, so many people are like 1196 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,040 concerned about symmetry. It's like, well, we're 1197 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,160 asymmetrical. Like you could like you go and 1198 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,720 look at anatomical models. That's something to appreciate 1199 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:37,080 from PRI, right? PRI that's like foundational to, 1200 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,720 to like one of their foundational. 1201 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,680 What's the word I'm looking for axioms. 1202 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,280 What's, what's the thing that presuppositions, you know, is, 1203 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,720 is the fact that we're asymmetrical, right? 1204 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,680 You got a liver. The liver sits on one side. 1205 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:49,960 There's not There's not 2. Livers. 1206 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,600 It's a gravitational influence and we're left brain is what 1207 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,080 they say. So this is consonant weave. 1208 01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,160 And I think it's really interesting because PRI, maybe 1209 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,640 they didn't know they're doing this, but they're really like a 1210 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,480 lot of it's talking about the spiral line. 1211 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,240 And because you're looking at the way the left AIC functions 1212 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,640 is on, it goes from one side of the body and then moves on to 1213 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,440 the. So can you you explain the 1214 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,280 spiral line mostly because I'm not familiar with, I'm sure 1215 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,200 we're talking over a lot of people's heads right now because 1216 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,200 we're just jumping through like multiple different yeah 1217 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,360 modalities. Yeah. 1218 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,680 So I mean, obviously that's going to be more of a transverse 1219 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,440 thing. So more of a rotational tissue 1220 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:32,000 line. Oh, is. 1221 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,800 This out of the is this like, you know, out of the, the 1222 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,360 fascial, the fascial slings. Yeah, yeah. 1223 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,280 Spiral line, one of the fascial, yeah. 1224 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,320 Slings it's constantly talked about so you you look at it and 1225 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:48,160 if you go and and I don't study this stuff constantly because 1226 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,720 this I think like, you know once you get to a certain point like 1227 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,000 if it gets beyond you you got to refer out and it's just like hey 1228 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,280 look this is beyond me I'll pause your package go see 1229 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,680 someone then come back when you know when they kind of give us 1230 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,760 what's going on but. I think from, from the 1231 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,600 standpoint of like for me, what I've thought about with that is 1232 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,640 like some people may be like, oh, well, it's not worth it to 1233 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,200 go down the rabbit hole a little bit. 1234 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,640 And it's like, no, no, go as far down as as you can because now 1235 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,880 you have an appreciation for it. You have an idea of what it can 1236 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,560 do. And then, you know, once you 1237 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,560 start interacting with people, like what modalities you think 1238 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,040 will help that person, At least for me, that's where it's like, 1239 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,440 OK, we've, I've checked all these different boxes and I go, 1240 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,480 I think, you know, if I'm going to refer out, I have a specific 1241 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,000 idea in mind of where you're going to get the best health. 1242 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,760 Yeah, yeah, you have a network, right? 1243 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,840 Like I, I look at people's mouths like I had a, a kid who 1244 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,720 high anxiety. He's a baller. 1245 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,760 He's a freshman. He's touching 88, hitting the 1246 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:53,840 ball like 94 and he's 160 lbs. And you know, but it's like he's 1247 01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,320 so hard on himself. And I go and check him. 1248 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,320 He's got elevated palette, He's got some narrowed airway and 1249 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,120 he's got a tongue tie. Well, I refer him to my airway 1250 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,520 specialist and they're, I'll say their name. 1251 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,000 They're natural dentist associates. 1252 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,840 So Doctor Kim Baer and Jennifer, doctor Jennifer Tipigraph. 1253 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,400 I mean, like if anyone gets the opportunity to come to 1254 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,400 Montgomery County, Maryland and they think they have a breathing 1255 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:20,320 issue, they're like, they're scary. 1256 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,560 Like they're so smart. Like I'm sitting there talking 1257 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,760 to them. Like I'm, I'm having a talk with 1258 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,880 one of them about primitive reflexes about because like, you 1259 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,160 know, I'm interested in that because I think that's also an 1260 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,360 Ave. like it's neurological and it's inborn. 1261 01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,760 And if these things don't get reintegrated into our system, 1262 01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,000 well, they're going to cause a lot of noise, They're going to 1263 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,400 cause people focus issues. And you're seeing more and more 1264 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,760 nerd like I'm nerd diverse. So like you're seeing a lot more 1265 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,360 people with nerd divergent these days. 1266 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,800 And it's like, well, the big thing is like, can we quiet the 1267 01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,400 noise? And even with baseball players, 1268 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,440 I mean, some of these ADHD baseball players are getting 1269 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,600 written off because it's coaches don't know how to deal with 1270 01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,240 them. I know, I know a few of them 1271 01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,480 that are in professional baseball. 1272 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,280 And it's like coaches are they're they're constant 1273 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,960 complain is like coaches don't like understand me. 1274 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,600 I'm like, welcome to the show, man. 1275 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,240 Like you're you're you're getting. 1276 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,440 And so some of the pirates said this to me, it's like you're 1277 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,840 getting you're getting your general mechanics to work on 1278 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,880 like Formula One cars. It doesn't make sense. 1279 01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,760 So going back into like the fascial line. 1280 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,080 So the way I look at is anything that is. 1281 01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,800 So I think I believe if you look at it, he highlights in blue 1282 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:40,400 tissue and it runs from I believe the lateral tissues on 1283 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:46,480 the outer leg. So it's like your perineals, 1284 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:52,600 parts of your tibialis muscle and then it comes up and then it 1285 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,600 moves into the adductors and then it comes up to the 1286 01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,240 adductors, goes deep and then then goes on to the other side. 1287 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,120 Now there's some superficial aspects that create this, this, 1288 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,800 this X pattern. And like this is what I think 1289 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,160 actually people are abusing in their skill acquisition work. 1290 01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,400 They're trying to get everyone to run out of space really soon. 1291 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,160 So they decelerate. And this is something that goes 1292 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,880 into Franz Bosch where he talks about the difference between 1293 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:22,520 passive and active, passive and active use of your tissues. 1294 01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,840 And, you know, we should be able to decelerate at many, many 1295 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:31,479 points because that should be an active, active approach to our 1296 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,479 skill or our emotion. But we now we're seeing people 1297 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,520 restrict people's range of motion. 1298 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,160 And it scares me because we start running into passive 1299 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:41,880 tissues. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1300 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,600 See that if you have the the the the perineals and runs an 1301 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,359 adductors, you have the lateral thigh for your glutes and you 1302 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,120 see that cross? Yeah, so and then like I said, 1303 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,640 it goes more superficial as it gets to the rib cage. 1304 01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,960 So you look at this is what a lot of people do, especially 1305 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,960 when they look at this or like, OK, well, you have to look at it 1306 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,439 with the appreciation is like, OK, what is our actual human 1307 01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,120 design? Well, we're designed to to walk 1308 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,279 and run, you know, stand. Yeah, we can sit the I don't 1309 01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,120 actually don't think sitting is bad. 1310 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,520 I just think we do it too much like people are like sitting. 1311 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,840 Sitting is a new smoking. It's like, OK, well, there's 1312 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,240 people inhaling nicotine and they're not dying. 1313 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,040 It's just are you sitting there ripping heaters all day? 1314 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,319 And it's like, yeah, well, you're going to screw your 1315 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,200 lungs. You're going to get your, you 1316 01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:38,279 know, your rat poison in there. But it's like, OK, well, if I 1317 01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:43,160 take a, you know, small hit of an like nicotine, is that going 1318 01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,600 to kill me? No, if I take if, if you were to 1319 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,439 take one hit of a cigarette a day, it probably wouldn't kill 1320 01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,160 you, right? That won't happen because it's 1321 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,200 addicting. But you know, there's some 1322 01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,840 social aspects to it too. But I, I think this is a really 1323 01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,800 interesting thing. It's because we're, we're, we're 1324 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,240 constantly trying. And I, this is where DNS Brett 1325 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,680 Winchester talked about it. It didn't make complete sense 1326 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,120 because he's like, you need to look at hitting. 1327 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,840 It's actually after disassociation. 1328 01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:16,480 It's it's actually ipsilateral. And I was like, well, this 1329 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,600 doesn't make complete sense, but he's like, cure me out. 1330 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,920 Your pelvis goes that direction and then your torso follows. 1331 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:28,160 Yeah, certain aspects are going to be contralateral because 1332 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,120 that's how you create your your stretch. 1333 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:36,840 But ultimately you have to snap back into neutral at contact 1334 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,560 because that's where your force is going to be best created at 1335 01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,600 your mid range, right? And when we see people trying to 1336 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,200 get their shoulders past mid range through contact and what 1337 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,320 what we're seeing here is like, OK, they're abusing this idea of 1338 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,280 a spiral line because they're trying to get everything to 1339 01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,360 rotate. But we what I look at, and 1340 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,480 again, I could be wrong, this is just what I believe. 1341 01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:01,640 You go look at all the best hitters at contact, their 1342 01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,320 shoulders in line with their back hip, they're stacked. 1343 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,560 But yeah, we have this idea where we have to get the torso 1344 01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,600 through the ball versus it snaps back and then then you get the 1345 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,760 the lead, lead arm extension. So is that what kind of what I 1346 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,520 see like, 'cause when I watch like for example, you know, Max 1347 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,240 Kepler hit bombs off of Trevor Bauer, right? 1348 01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,120 You see that like what look, what it looks like to me is a 1349 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,880 kettlebell swing, right? When you pop the hips at the top 1350 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,720 of a of a kettlebell swing, you have that little pelvic 1351 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,560 movement. Yeah, because when you do, it 1352 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,120 kind of locks into place there because even too right. 1353 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,600 Like it was one of these interesting things where I, I, I 1354 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,680 do think it's like a little over blown of like, oh, you got to 1355 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,680 Decell, you got to Decell Like it just it, it's, it's, it is a 1356 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,960 counter against like you just got to spin fast and and swing 1357 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,640 the bat hard. But I, I think there's a level 1358 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,280 of like that's kind of borne out with like guys like Jim Tomy. 1359 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,760 You're like that dude don't feel like he gets his back hip all 1360 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,120 the way through the ball. He looks like he like kind of 1361 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,200 half. He doesn't get his hips all the 1362 01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,000 way through and you're just like, dude, crush his balls, you 1363 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,760 know, and you start seeing like guys being able to. 1364 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,040 It's it's more obvious when guys go backside. 1365 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,560 But I mean, to me, this is where it's it's, is that kind of what 1366 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,560 you're talking about like this, the stackness, the snapping back 1367 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,320 and type of thing or you you just describing something? 1368 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,120 No, no, no. It's exactly what what we're 1369 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:24,320 talking about because you know everything because you have to 1370 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,480 look at compressive issues. And I honestly believe, and I 1371 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:30,720 think This is why Stanton has back issues is because he's so 1372 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,600 closed off. Once he runs out of rotation, 1373 01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,600 he's got to get into his lower back. 1374 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,240 And yeah, it may help him keep the ball fair. 1375 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,560 But shouldn't he's a good enough athlete? 1376 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,000 Shouldn't he be able to learn how to activate actively 1377 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,840 decelerate like, and this is where I think Franz Bosch is 1378 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:52,480 beautiful because he's he appreciates that the hips lock 1379 01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:54,400 into place. The pelvis is going to tilt 1380 01:12:54,840 --> 01:13:01,120 because of that. But and then you look at it, you 1381 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,440 start, you start thinking it's like, OK, well, if structure 1382 01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:10,840 proceeds function, even though it looks different, you go put 1383 01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,200 it on a graph, it could look exactly the same. 1384 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:18,360 And this is where bio mechanics is huge, but without the the 1385 01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,200 contributions of motor control and learning and skill 1386 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,720 acquisition. There's it's just numbers, it's 1387 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,600 just graphs. And I think this has been a 1388 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:33,040 really detrimental time in baseball, not only for like some 1389 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,560 of these guys, but like, OK, well, you don't meet the 1390 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,040 numbers. So we got to work on the 1391 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:43,120 numbers. And it's like, like, OK, but you 1392 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,880 have a guy that has like like a three war this year and he has 1393 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,520 like OPS at around 800. Like do you really mess with 1394 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,600 that like or do you challenge him more? 1395 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,280 Because I, I think this is the biomechanical model is really 1396 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:00,440 good. OK. 1397 01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,160 And not like I'm not here to crap on it because I love bio 1398 01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,760 mechanics. I have like force plate, you 1399 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,520 know all that stuff. But at a certain point you have 1400 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,360 to look at it as like is this is how someone moves? 1401 01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:20,280 And if this is how someone moves, do I change it because I 1402 01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,320 think they should be doing something else? 1403 01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:27,160 Or do I sharpen what they currently do and make it tighter 1404 01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,800 and more efficient so their their time pressure window is, 1405 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,160 is smaller and they can operate within a smaller frame. 1406 01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:39,120 And to me, like we're going back into the fascia, I think it's 1407 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:43,640 like we look at these rails and what we have to remember is like 1408 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,560 when you stretch something, even when you stretch a rubber band 1409 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,960 and release it, it might go forward naturally, but there is 1410 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,800 no intentions of it going forward. 1411 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,640 It's just the inertia of things because it's not like I'm 1412 01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,520 pulling the rubber band back and pushing it past its release. 1413 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:04,680 So and if we're comparing fascia to this elastic quality, then 1414 01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,640 what you do is you stretch it out and then you make your 1415 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,520 decision and you you let it play out. 1416 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,640 I think with bio mechanics, we're trying to take too much 1417 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,040 control of movement. I think what you do is you use 1418 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,560 it, you use stuff like fascia and Thomas Meyer's work to 1419 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:25,280 appreciate how the rails of movement and and even he says 1420 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,680 like I said, think he has like he labels like 7. 1421 01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,680 I could be wrong. It might be more than that, but 1422 01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,400 he says like these are just examples of them. 1423 01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:41,080 There is many more rails of movement in this fascia webbing. 1424 01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,400 And it's it's really fascinating because then you start saying, 1425 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,920 OK, well, if that's the case, then I need to be able to 1426 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,680 consolidate this stuff and find out how many different options I 1427 01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,440 have to be successful. And I, this goes back in the 1428 01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:00,360 FRC. It's like, you know, why have 1429 01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,040 one successful way of doing things when you can potentially 1430 01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,600 have infinite successful ways of doing something. 1431 01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,320 And this goes back to like, I love Raffi Devers. 1432 01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,920 I will not watch another Red Sox game this year because of how 1433 01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,800 they mishandled that guy. Some people are like, he's a 1434 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,200 baby. I'm like, dude, if they, if you, 1435 01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,920 if they did what they did to him to you, you would go right to 1436 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,280 HR. You'd be like, dude, this is 1437 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:24,960 what this wasn't what you hired me for. 1438 01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,840 You told me I was going to, you know, be a sales Rep. 1439 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,720 Now you're having me clean the toilets. 1440 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,560 It's like, OK, well, this wasn't my job description. 1441 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,640 There's obviously a level being a team player, but once you're 1442 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,240 once you're in the big leagues, first base becomes extremely 1443 01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,600 hard. But you know, like I, I look at 1444 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,200 that guy's variability, it's insane. 1445 01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:49,520 Like hitting balls 110 off the shoelaces. 1446 01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:54,040 Like there's no technique that teaches that. 1447 01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:00,480 It, it, it's all processing and it has to do with experience and 1448 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:04,640 willingness to explore. And this goes back and This is 1449 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,520 why I'm so, so such a big fan of Franz Bosch is he said there's 1450 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,600 three terms that you really need to understand. 1451 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,400 It's explore, discover and exploit. 1452 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,240 You explore what your options are within that given context or 1453 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,280 representing this or the scenario, whatever you want to 1454 01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:25,840 call it, you explore it and then you start discovering your 1455 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:31,760 options and you say, OK, well, when I when when I feel this, it 1456 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,280 could be my hands coming down or whatever, doesn't matter because 1457 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,720 that's how someone relates to the context of what they're 1458 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,560 doing. They're not wrong. 1459 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,960 Biomechanically, they would be wrong, but to their own 1460 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:47,120 perception, that's right. Do I take that from them? 1461 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:54,400 No, but it's just like if someone could be successful many 1462 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,920 different ways and, and and this I have a hard time when people 1463 01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,720 went like, I think I, I, I brought something out with a 1464 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,720 Bruce Lee quote the other day and someone's like, Oh, well, 1465 01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,320 he's not swinging a bat. And it's like, well, if you're a 1466 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,920 well trained martial artist, your sword is a bat and then you 1467 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,800 go into like samurai, it's a Miyamoto Musashi. 1468 01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,120 And they're like technique proceeds strategies. 1469 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,720 Like no, like listen to a guy that his life or life was on the 1470 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:29,040 line every time he fought. And he says strategy is the key 1471 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,760 because you're going to face different opponents. 1472 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,560 And if you can understand what that opponent's trying to do to 1473 01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,760 you, you can combat it with a strategy which will lead to a 1474 01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,560 particular technique. And that's fine. 1475 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,120 But techniques are practiced. They're not employed during the 1476 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,240 game. If you're thinking about your 1477 01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,040 body and end game one, you're not going to flow. 1478 01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:58,480 I did like things like a 20 page paper on the relationship 1479 01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:00,360 between meditation and flow state. 1480 01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:05,920 Like the commonalities here are that meditation requires 1481 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,680 complete presence. You're completely there. 1482 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,400 There is no wrong way to meditate, right? 1483 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,960 You just have to be available. You have to be there. 1484 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,520 I mean, there's different. You can do an internal and 1485 01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,920 external focus, you can do body scans, you can do breath work. 1486 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,960 But ultimately what you do is you have to be present. 1487 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,960 And then the environment and well, what's a prerequisite for 1488 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,000 flow state? First and foremost, enjoyment. 1489 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,640 But the other one is complete attention. 1490 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:38,640 And so if I'm trying to employ a technique and I'm not completely 1491 01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:43,480 present, then I'm not really sure what this guy's trying to 1492 01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:45,760 do to me. And this is where the beauty of 1493 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,160 scouting reports come in, which I didn't really play much with. 1494 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,200 I had, I mean, we had like stuff on a paper and it said like, 1495 01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,080 they're ERA and stuff like that. And you know, but now like you 1496 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:58,640 have everything. So the strategy is going to tell 1497 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,720 us what technique we're going to use. 1498 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,000 And so I think like there's, there's obviously a place for 1499 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,920 technique like, because that is like my opinion. 1500 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,840 That's another way of saying variability within mechanics, 1501 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,560 like being able to do multiple things. 1502 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,000 It's like. I'm playing this video game. 1503 01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,440 I decided to take a little break off of studying because my wife 1504 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:23,720 said, like, you study too much. So I'm playing this game, Ghost 1505 01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:27,720 of Sushima, and you have different stances. 1506 01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,800 OK, that's it. OK, so I, if I get a sinker 1507 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,240 baller, Oh yeah, I'm going to, I might set up with a little more 1508 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,320 hip hinge to Createspace because that guy's going to be running 1509 01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,480 balls like this. You know, I might, I might start 1510 01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:43,480 off with a little more space, but I got a high spin rate guy. 1511 01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:47,600 I may start taller, but doesn't mean I'm going to employ a 1512 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,520 different set of mechanics. It just means I may position 1513 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,560 myself based off of what the pitcher's tendencies are. 1514 01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,960 And I and you know, with guys throwing 103 mile an hour 1515 01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:04,040 sinkers, like do we really have time to think about employing A 1516 01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,640 technique or mechanics or do we do we already have to be ready? 1517 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,720 And this is where I think martial arts is a perfect 1518 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,280 comparison for baseball cuz you're in a Mano Imano battle 1519 01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,240 and you know, the entire village is watching. 1520 01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,960 So it's again, there's a place for everything. 1521 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,600 But I think what it all comes down to is like, OK, one, let's 1522 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,400 go back to the fascia, stuff like that. 1523 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,200 That stuff's cool. It tells you how people can 1524 01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,760 move, but doesn't mean they're going to move a particular way. 1525 01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,160 And I don't think there's two particular ways people move. 1526 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,600 I think there's infinite ways people can move. 1527 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,560 You can have a bad dose of Chinese food and you're inflamed 1528 01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,880 and you can't move the next day. It happens. 1529 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:52,360 So there's it's multi factorial. And I think this is where like 1530 01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,800 kicking over the buckets in the silos becomes such a, it's a 1531 01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,320 difficult way of looking at things because it gets really 1532 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,160 messy, right? Like because you have two 1533 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:04,960 different colored paints you kick over the buckets. 1534 01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,040 You have, you know, a red and a yellow. 1535 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,920 Well, it's going to make orange. And like it wasn't either color 1536 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,040 that you like, you're actually seeing, you have to understand 1537 01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,480 when things mix, it becomes very, it can become very 1538 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,520 complex. But I think when you're open to 1539 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,720 things like eco D, the complexity gets explained and 1540 01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,800 then you stop worrying about everything and you go, I know 1541 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,280 they're going to figure it out. And of course, technique's 1542 01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,800 important because I, I constrain my guys, right? 1543 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,680 We use CLA because there is an efficient way of doing things. 1544 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,080 OK, cool. So like for me, like when I 1545 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,800 wouldn't hit yesterday, I was trying to hit the outside part 1546 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,160 of the ball. You know how many people would 1547 01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,520 freak out? Like it's like I was trying to 1548 01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,200 get around the ball. Hit 11-O2, Like is that, is that 1549 01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,560 bad? Like, I'm 39 years old. 1550 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,320 Like, like, is that bad? No, that's what worked for me 1551 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,200 that day. And that wasn't a technique. 1552 01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,840 It was a strategy. I noticed that when I was 1553 01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,720 getting jammed because I wasn't releasing my barrel, well, if 1554 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,640 I'm trying to hit the outer part of the ball, I have to lick. 1555 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,520 I have to let the barrel go. And you know, this is what I 1556 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,160 find very interesting when you compare international players 1557 01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,160 compared to American players. I think international players, 1558 01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,520 they kind of just let go. And I mean, I watched Shohei 1559 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:27,400 Otani hit that dude just lets it fly. 1560 01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:30,240 Like he'll live with the he'll live with the bad results 1561 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,720 because he knows that you know, if he's and you look at him, 1562 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:37,680 he's mountain nose breathing just like dudes looks like he's 1563 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,200 just hanging out at the beach. And then you see these like 1564 01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,920 other guys are like, and it's like dudes just fully present 1565 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,640 and he trusts his training and like, like, you know, we got 1566 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,360 away from the fascia stuff. I'm trying to stay on track, but 1567 01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:53,600 that doesn't. No, it's all right. 1568 01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,600 We're we can we can meander wherever. 1569 01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,320 Actually, I want to be intentional here. 1570 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,040 And Kyle, jump in like I want I want to hear your voice for a 1571 01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,160 minute because I haven't, I haven't in a little bit. 1572 01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:09,240 So I just want to see, you know what, what stood out to you or 1573 01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,640 like, what do you where do you want to explore for a minute 1574 01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,480 here? You've alluded a couple times, 1575 01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:20,240 Tommy, to just in that last little section of honestly like 1576 01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:24,320 perception, right and information connecting to that. 1577 01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:28,080 And that's something that's been really transformative for me, 1578 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:32,040 even on the pitching side, which is not quite as reactionary as a 1579 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,880 as a hitter, but at the same time the only. 1580 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,840 Difference is it's a closed skill right? 1581 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,200 Like. A little bit I, I think that I'm 1582 01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:41,760 struggling with that. I think, I don't think. 1583 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,720 It's fully closed. Not fully closed, it's more 1584 01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,000 closed. Yeah, it is, absolutely. 1585 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,960 I want to acknowledge that. I think I've heard some people 1586 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,360 say self-paced. I appreciate that a little bit 1587 01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:55,040 better as opposed to closed because it, yeah, it it it I 1588 01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,440 think closed can sometimes disconnect you from the world 1589 01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:00,280 around you a little bit too much, you know, and get you too 1590 01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,280 internally focused. I can appreciate that even if 1591 01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,120 that's, yeah, even if people aren't necessary, even if 1592 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,280 somebody who's a true believer in that wouldn't, wouldn't say 1593 01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,240 it that way. But the people who I see 1594 01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,520 actually this is a perfect kind of connection point. 1595 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,760 The people who I hear like think it's a closed skill, just 1596 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,840 totally focus on the, the Organism. 1597 01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:19,560 Yeah, right. So like they're going to talk 1598 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,040 about bio mechanics, they're going to do a lot of Franz Bosch 1599 01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,080 water bags, but they're never actually going to like connect 1600 01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,800 to the world around them and ask themselves why am I moving the 1601 01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,480 way it is? Like, I, I think bio mechanics 1602 01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:32,240 is cool and I'm, I'm wrestling between like, what does that 1603 01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:33,880 mean? What are some invariants within 1604 01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,520 how people move? And yet at the same time, I 1605 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,200 can't get beyond this world that like, well, the reason we move 1606 01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:43,040 the way we move is because of the environment, not because of 1607 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,160 what's going on here. It's this dynamic back and forth 1608 01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,680 and interaction. So I'd be interested to because 1609 01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,200 as I was, you know, listening to your other podcasts and as you 1610 01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,360 guys were talking there for an hour, it was absolutely very 1611 01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,120 Organism and focus like, oh, this guy's hip does this and 1612 01:25:58,120 --> 01:25:59,920 this thing does that. And so I'm going to do this and 1613 01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,840 then we're going to do that. And it's like, that actually is 1614 01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,760 like really helpful. I've seen so many players helped 1615 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,360 by that. And yeah, there's this. 1616 01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,480 What you're talking about right now is being fully attuned and 1617 01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:11,600 present. Yeah, because I think I, I, I. 1618 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,200 Operate. Also, I'd just be interested. 1619 01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:17,000 I'd just be interested, like how do you bring in perception, 1620 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,680 affordances, the environment, like what they're connecting to 1621 01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,880 in your training beyond just what the body's doing? 1622 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,720 Yeah, yeah. So I, I look at it as an 1623 01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,880 integrative model. So it's like there are certain 1624 01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,000 times. So we, I, I create a system. 1625 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,400 It's just so people can understand what I do. 1626 01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:41,880 And it's there are times where you focus on the Organism and 1627 01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,680 then you have to expose it to the environment. 1628 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,840 Now obviously I'm limited to the environment. 1629 01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:52,120 I can expose to expose to my athletes because I'm in a cage 1630 01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,360 and I don't have the money to buy it or jacked. 1631 01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,720 And, you know, it becomes very difficult because now it's like, 1632 01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:04,200 OK, well, pick your poison. Do you, do you want like a more 1633 01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,280 representative batting practice that we can't simulate because 1634 01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,200 we have a smaller cage? Or do you want a machine which 1635 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:16,880 has its own, you know, decoupling of perception and 1636 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:21,080 action as it is? And I think what you have to do 1637 01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:25,440 is do the best you can. So we we have this thing, it's 1638 01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:28,760 called prep, Rev ignite, maximize, execute. 1639 01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,600 So there's, it can be 5 sections to your program. 1640 01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,920 So prep and Rev is really just like, hey, let's get the body 1641 01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:40,240 moving like grease it up. Motion is lotion, Dan John, you 1642 01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,920 know, motion is lotion. So the way they, they, they at 1643 01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,480 least feel comfortable in their body. 1644 01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,560 And then we then I look from an SNC principle because I think in 1645 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:52,760 batting, we should always be working on going fast or be able 1646 01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:59,640 to leverage the ground. So those 3 sections I would say 1647 01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,720 are the most decoupled just because I want people to 1648 01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,360 understand because there's plenty of research on these 1649 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,120 biomechanical things like the more you get, the more pressure 1650 01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,520 you can put on your front leg, the faster the bat speed. 1651 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:19,400 OK, well what is a big issue we see with hitters? 1652 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,000 Bat speed, again, there's their own set of issues that we can 1653 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,760 talk about because I've actually created a system that takes, you 1654 01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,040 know, motor learning, force velocity curve, gentiles 1655 01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:35,360 taxonomy to motor learning or a variation of it's just a 1656 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:40,040 taxonomy that will scale the represent representativeness of 1657 01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,760 your bat speed train. Because this is my problem with, 1658 01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,880 you know, we can go into perception here with bat speed. 1659 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:51,360 Well, if a hitter perceives that they're not making solid contact 1660 01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,680 at those high speeds, they're not going to swing as hard as 1661 01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,040 they can because number one job of a hitter, you can tell them, 1662 01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,120 hey, look, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. 1663 01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,160 But guess what? It's their ego. 1664 01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:07,440 Like, are you really like, are you like, are you really willing 1665 01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:09,240 to swing fast and not find barrel? 1666 01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,320 But then you go into this, the perceptual researches, it's 1667 01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,480 like, OK, why don't we increase the size of the target? 1668 01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:20,000 That way the affordance to go faster is greater because the 1669 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,040 room for error is larger. So you know, there's, there's 1670 01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:28,040 different ways to scale that. That's how you can like we're 1671 01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,120 moving our perception in the bat speed. 1672 01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:34,680 But again, like creating the capacity to go fast is really 1673 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,280 important, especially a young age, because I honestly believe 1674 01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,080 like if you, if you haven't started swinging the bat hard or 1675 01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:44,560 fast by the time you're like 12 years old, you're pretty 1676 01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,360 screwed. You can obviously improve it, 1677 01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,840 but Greg Rose talks about these windows that are available and 1678 01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,720 they're usually right around growth spurts or growing periods 1679 01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:57,920 of the human because they're their muscles are more at 1680 01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,200 length. You're not going to get them 1681 01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,080 bigger. So you got to get them faster. 1682 01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,800 They're more tenderness because they're constantly on stretch. 1683 01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,720 So you can put more force into the tendons and their actions to 1684 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,920 produce, you know, greater myelination. 1685 01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,160 So, you know, when we get into perception, and this is where 1686 01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:17,160 like, so a lot of times I'll bend my language and what I talk 1687 01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:20,360 about to, to the, to the audience, right. 1688 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,520 So if someone wants to talk about bio mechanics, let's do 1689 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,040 it. If we want to talk about the, 1690 01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:27,320 you know, the integration of everything, let's do it. 1691 01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,360 If we want to talk just eco D, let's do it. 1692 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,760 But I think that's my job as a kinesiologist to kind of find 1693 01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:38,040 where someone is on on on their timeline and plug in what they 1694 01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,280 need. So perception is huge. 1695 01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:44,080 Like I've I've started working on a device that allows for 1696 01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,680 smoother saccades of the eyes. It kind of tells them like, Hey, 1697 01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,360 look like, you know, if if you look at the literature, it says 1698 01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,080 professional athletes, professional hitters have, I 1699 01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,280 believe it's smoother and later saccades. 1700 01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:58,600 And so their eyes aren't all around. 1701 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,640 They're they're they're literally looking at the 1702 01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,280 adjacent mass and then tracking it over to the point of release. 1703 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,880 So, you know, taking that information, you know, you can 1704 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,240 especially, and it works beautifully for guys that 1705 01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,920 overthink and are too mechanically based because now 1706 01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,000 you've given them an environment to focus on. 1707 01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:22,840 And you know, I think the Organism underlying is, is super 1708 01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,200 important because we have to understand structure, proceeds 1709 01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:29,000 function and and most examples, right, because there's sometimes 1710 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,840 it's just people like they can't touch your toes, but you ask 1711 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,160 them to get into a hinge when they hit lights out. 1712 01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:36,880 So it's like, I think there's some exceptions. 1713 01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,680 I think there's what they can do when you screen them and a lot 1714 01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,280 of times that shows up, but sometimes it doesn't. 1715 01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,600 And then you just have to kind of like move forward with it. 1716 01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,040 But when you get into perception, I think like there's 1717 01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,800 so I had this guy from Florida State and guys, you know, guys 1718 01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,040 are stud like, what am I going to teach about is swing like 1719 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,600 please, like let's challenge him. 1720 01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,520 Can he deal with can he deal with variants in the bats? 1721 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,920 So I started switching off the lights on him and I said, and 1722 01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,600 what I noticed is that when I switched off, so he's a 1723 01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,720 right-handed hitter, when the when the light was shiny on the 1724 01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:12,600 inside part of the ball, he could rake. 1725 01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,600 But when I when I show off the lights on the inside half the 1726 01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,040 ball and move to the outer half, I'm sorry. 1727 01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:20,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I showed off the inside, 1728 01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,520 when I showed off the lights on the inside part of the ball, he, 1729 01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:27,200 he had no idea what to do. And I was like, OK, you have to, 1730 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,200 you have to take what's available to you. 1731 01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:35,040 And if you're trying to force yourself into hitting the inside 1732 01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:38,800 part of the ball and you can't see the inside part of the ball, 1733 01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,600 what are you going to do? And he's like, well, I don't 1734 01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:43,800 know. It's like you have to learn how 1735 01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,640 to do it the other way. And that's the, the functional 1736 01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,240 variability we're talking about because you're going to go get 1737 01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:53,600 into a field where you know, the sun's in a different position 1738 01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:55,560 than your home field and you're going to have to learn how to 1739 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,920 manage that. And you and being aware of it 1740 01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,080 helps. It's like, OK, like, OK, there's 1741 01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:02,520 the sun. I need to focus on the outer 1742 01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,680 half of the ball. So now we're talking about 1743 01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,080 focusing on the, the task queues, right? 1744 01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,120 Because now we're taking perceptually, taking advantage 1745 01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:14,000 of what's available there and appreciating the environment 1746 01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:18,800 itself, so we can leverage what we, our perception into coupling 1747 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,000 that with our actions. At least that's, that's how I 1748 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,080 see it. And then I think, you know, 1749 01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:27,480 changing angles, changing shapes of the ball. 1750 01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,960 Again, the, the major issue I have is the availability to 1751 01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,880 create real representativeness. And so like, that's where I'm 1752 01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,880 actually, I'm working on building a virtual reality lab 1753 01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:44,320 because it's like I'm, I'm pulling data from guys hitting 1754 01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:49,480 off a machine that, that that can't superimpose or visualize a 1755 01:33:49,480 --> 01:33:52,960 picture over top that machine, which is easy for me. 1756 01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:56,480 Maybe it's because of my divergent, but you know, 1757 01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:59,640 whatever. But it's like, well, if I want 1758 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,080 is, if I'm not worried about ball flight here, I'm just 1759 01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,040 worried about how the Organism is organizing. 1760 01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:11,120 I need at least from a visual representation, give them the 1761 01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:14,640 appropriate task queues and environmental queues to where 1762 01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,000 they're going to naturally organize as they, you know, 1763 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,560 closer to what they would on the field. 1764 01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,360 Obviously it has its flaws. I think everything has its 1765 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:22,880 flaws. We can poke holes, we can make 1766 01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,200 Swiss cheese of everything. It's just a matter of like, OK, 1767 01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,880 how do we, how do we move the needle closer to what we believe 1768 01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,080 will give us the best information? 1769 01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:37,000 So going back into the whole perceptual thing, it's just, you 1770 01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:41,360 know, there's just so much you can do, but there's what you 1771 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,080 know and what you can implement. So if I had it my way, if I had 1772 01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:49,600 it reject, oh man, like I don't even know what I would do 1773 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,680 because that's not, that's not a reality. 1774 01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:57,080 But if I can, you know, if I can teach people to be creative in 1775 01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,720 their work and you really use visualization because that's 1776 01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,280 another huge thing that we've seen in research is 1777 01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:07,240 visualization actually gets you closer to, to success. 1778 01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:10,960 It's, it's not as good as real repetition, but it's, it's 1779 01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:16,280 better than no repetition. And, you know, so the perceptual 1780 01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:22,640 environment we create, I think it's, it really largely needs to 1781 01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:26,200 be considered because we're not perceiving ourselves. 1782 01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:27,920 We shouldn't be perceiving ourselves right? 1783 01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,440 There's a lot of I'm terrible at saying this, words like 1784 01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,000 automaticity or wherever it is, just like there's. 1785 01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,320 Automaticity. Automaticity, there you go. 1786 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:37,720 I just need to hear someone say it. 1787 01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,320 Automaticity. There's a level of automaticity 1788 01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,840 that like we got to trust ourselves, we got to trust the 1789 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:47,640 work that we've done and then just let that stuff take over. 1790 01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,480 And that's the no mind flow. But I you can't get into that 1791 01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:55,640 state if you're internal because you're not processing the 1792 01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:57,320 environment. So I agree with you. 1793 01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:01,200 It's like there's, there's a lot of talk on bio mechanics and 1794 01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:04,920 Organism and like, you know, but when I talk to people, a lot of 1795 01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:08,520 times it's much easier to talk about the Organism because 1796 01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:12,240 that's like, you know, people on acts like I study like 1000 1797 01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,040 swings a day. It's like, cool, we've all seen 1798 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,160 them. Like it's in a vacuum at this 1799 01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:20,520 point. Now it's like, are you going to, 1800 01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,040 are you going to cherry pick the like? 1801 01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,360 This is why I love like guys like Caleb Abney because like 1802 01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,480 he'd be like, look, he, he, he, he got a hit, but he didn't do 1803 01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:31,160 it that way. He didn't, he didn't do it the 1804 01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:34,200 way you're talking about. And I think everyone's trying to 1805 01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:38,400 shoot for ideal, but you know, the most circumstances in life 1806 01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,560 are less than ideal and there's still ways to come out on top. 1807 01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:45,080 So I think like, to your point, I think, you know, a lot of like 1808 01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:49,360 I've done podcasts with kind of with Patrick and I started 1809 01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,640 talking about teeth and airway, you know, like there's that and 1810 01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,440 then there's Chad Longworth where he's trying to get me to 1811 01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:59,040 admit that I hate the tea. But I said umpires instead 1812 01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,160 because like, I wasn't I already riled up that crowd. 1813 01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,720 I don't know if you remember that, Garrett, when I after I 1814 01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:08,480 wrote a paper, I basically said using a baddied tea creates 1815 01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:10,400 hubris, not an actual confidence. 1816 01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:12,080 Oh, sure. Yeah. 1817 01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:14,680 Oh, dude, everyone broke out their Tony Gwynn gifts. 1818 01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:16,360 It was just like throwing in my face. 1819 01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,240 I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, but but it's true. 1820 01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,200 It's like, we're not saying you're saying that the tea is. 1821 01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,080 The tea can have its place, just not in my facility. 1822 01:37:25,480 --> 01:37:28,760 Well, and if you can actually, because all of it comes back to 1823 01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:32,520 how are you relating to it? Because for me, here's the thing 1824 01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:36,680 that I like, a lot of my insights came from spending so 1825 01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,480 much time on the tea because, you know, I've would be in there 1826 01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:42,000 trying to hit forever because I'm chasing whatever. 1827 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,720 And guys were like, now I'm out, you know, so you're on your own. 1828 01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,320 So, you know, I just basically hit off the tee a lot. 1829 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,480 And so eventually what I learned though is like, oh, there's a 1830 01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:53,880 relationship between where my hands are and all this sort of 1831 01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:57,400 stuff in the barrel and all this that allows me to like hit the 1832 01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,480 ball well. And if I approach it this way, 1833 01:37:59,480 --> 01:38:02,000 blah, blah. Until like eventually I learned 1834 01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,640 some things and then I could take all that information once I 1835 01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,080 started to understand a little bit more of like, OK, where's my 1836 01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,400 miss pattern? Now that information of learning 1837 01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:13,400 like OK, if I'm underneath the ball, I now know that the 1838 01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,680 relationship of my hands and how my barrel works. 1839 01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:20,240 Like if I tip the barrel more vertical and I point it more 1840 01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,400 towards the pitcher. Some of it too, I was just 1841 01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:26,720 thinking about is like, well, if I'm constantly dumping it, if I 1842 01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:30,680 start it more this way and I start to move, it'll have, you 1843 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:33,120 know, by the time I have moved to where my hand position was, 1844 01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,200 the barrel won't have fallen as far, you know, because it's, 1845 01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:40,200 it's starting further this way. So it was basically little 1846 01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,400 things like that of like, oh, OK, So then once I started 1847 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,280 interacting or like, you know, the last time I I hit in a kind 1848 01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:51,480 of semi competitive setting in a hit a thon for for DCTC as a 1849 01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:56,680 coach man, like that's I used a lot of that stuff to actually 1850 01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,920 help me because I'm terrible. Like I'm terrible, my 1851 01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:02,440 performance anxiety, all this sort of stuff like having to 1852 01:39:02,440 --> 01:39:03,760 learn how to work through all that. 1853 01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:08,360 And also to like, you know, be able to like my last hit because 1854 01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:11,320 I realized and the one before I was like, I did everything. 1855 01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:13,760 I did all my things and I still miss the ball. 1856 01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,080 And I was like, you know what, I searched inside. 1857 01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,360 I'm like eternally, I don't think I actually fully committed 1858 01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:23,200 to, you know, this and this and I'm like, OK, next time I'm up, 1859 01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:27,600 I'm fully committing to getting my barrel tipped forward and 1860 01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,520 like towards the pitcher. And then I hit the best ball 1861 01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,040 because I made sure like I'm getting to that position before 1862 01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,640 we go got there and just boom, sure. 1863 01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,040 So I was like, but I also to the other thing too, back to what we 1864 01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,120 were talking about before. The thing that I started with 1865 01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,360 was like the ball, the ball, the ball, the ball, the ball. 1866 01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:46,680 Because like what I've learned, because this is back to like 1867 01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:50,200 ecological dynamics of like, you know, I was like, oh, you know, 1868 01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:51,840 screw mechanics, all this sort of stuff. 1869 01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,520 And like these internal mechanical cues, like throw that 1870 01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,040 aside, just connect to just connect to the target to the 1871 01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,120 target. And man, I still was not having 1872 01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:02,760 success. I was like, ah, what the heck. 1873 01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,160 But I'm like, but I've used these like internal cues before 1874 01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:09,560 and they work to your point, like they'll work, but now I had 1875 01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,080 it slightly different. I was like, OK, you know, I know 1876 01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,600 sometimes when I throw like, well, I keep missing down. 1877 01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,960 Well, if I get my lead arm up more, you know, So I focused on 1878 01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:21,000 that for like one or two got it in and then I was like, all 1879 01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,560 right, but I need to. The primary focus needs to be 1880 01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:26,880 connecting to my target, my target that has to stay primary. 1881 01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:30,680 But I use the secondary thing of like an internal cue and boom, 1882 01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,160 I'm back in the zone. And I only like what I realized 1883 01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:36,640 I'm playing with is like really 2:00 to 3:00 at most. 1884 01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,920 Maybe when the one to three range of like I'm focusing on it 1885 01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,240 for the next one to three pitches after that. 1886 01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:45,360 We're just like, you were slowly working away from like actually 1887 01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,360 focusing on it. And even too I've also learned 1888 01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:50,160 it's like, it's not even about getting there to the perfect 1889 01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:52,200 position because that was the thing right before, like 1890 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,840 everybody's talking about technique and optimal technique 1891 01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:55,880 and blah, blah, blah and this and that. 1892 01:40:55,880 --> 01:41:00,200 And it's like, listen, you, all you do is you become OCD about 1893 01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:02,200 the technique. It's like, oh, it wasn't there. 1894 01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:03,760 And then you're like, man, it doesn't feel right. 1895 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,880 And then you just get in your, you get in your Dome literally 1896 01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:06,960 right. Because it's like that whole 1897 01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,320 thing of, you know, as soon as you take the shot, you know, 1898 01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,720 whether or not you made it right because you have that feel. 1899 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:16,640 Well, because, oh, Keith, Keith Davids, Keith Davids and one of 1900 01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,840 his presentations on divers. And also, I think it's in the 1901 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,480 book of dynamics of skill acquisition. 1902 01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:26,080 They were looking at, OK, you know, giving different, I think 1903 01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:29,640 instructional or intentional cues or education where they're 1904 01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:33,600 educating their intention or attention when they focused on 1905 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:37,080 the technique and having perfect technique, jumping off the board 1906 01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:41,680 into the pool or into their, their dry pool or dry, their dry 1907 01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,960 work. There were more faults. 1908 01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,680 They they faulted more, meaning they would run up and then like 1909 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:51,480 just not actually jump versus yeah, yeah. 1910 01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,880 And so basically, right. Because in, in a in, in dive, if 1911 01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,480 you don't jump, it's a fault, right. 1912 01:41:57,480 --> 01:42:00,920 So so basically there are more faults when they focused on 1913 01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:05,200 their technique because they were so sensitive to that 1914 01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:09,480 information that if it was off just a little bit done right. 1915 01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:11,400 So it's the same thing like, cuz that happens to me whether I'm 1916 01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:13,680 throwing or I'm hitting right. You're like, I'm not in the 1917 01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:15,360 right position, Dang it. And then all of a sudden now 1918 01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:16,960 you're no longer connected to the ball. 1919 01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:21,160 But if you're like, this is back to like, was it Coastal Carolina 1920 01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:22,880 the year that they went to the College World Series? 1921 01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,320 And whether they wanted or I can't remember, but their big 1922 01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:28,680 tagline was will overskill, right? 1923 01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:32,120 And so like that, that for me, like helped make that connection 1924 01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:36,600 of like, oh, my intention. If I let that be primary and I 1925 01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:42,080 use as secondary my, my internal queue, my internal queueing and 1926 01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:46,360 I just allow myself to get there and close enough, like close 1927 01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:50,760 enough, good, we go, we go. And if I focus on my will piece 1928 01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:54,120 of like that target, that target, and I really hone my 1929 01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:57,080 focus and my will more times than not, like you're pretty 1930 01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:01,120 Dang close, you know, and, and so that's where it's like for 1931 01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:03,600 me, Eco DE is all about this relationship. 1932 01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,760 What's my relationship? How am I, how am I relating to 1933 01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:08,960 the world? And then I'm just, I'm just 1934 01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,920 trying to work that relationship based upon how I understand it, 1935 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:13,800 which is the same thing, honestly, right as you're 1936 01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,160 describing all the different things that you're doing, you 1937 01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,680 know, for the Organism, you're just trying to get it a little 1938 01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,920 bit more tuned to, to get on target. 1939 01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:26,240 And so for me, that's, that's exactly how, how I'm applying an 1940 01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:29,560 ecological approach is like, OK, this is how all these mechanical 1941 01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:34,960 things like Sean and, and, and really, cuz I, I learned it from 1942 01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:36,040 Sean. So I'm going to give it, I'm 1943 01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:39,120 going to give credit to Sean, you know, talked a lot about, 1944 01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:40,880 even though it's in the literature, but I don't know who 1945 01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,040 to, who to cite for it. So I'm just going to cite Sean, 1946 01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:47,480 but talked a lot about, you know, where a thing lives and 1947 01:43:47,480 --> 01:43:51,240 breathes. And so for me, I've, I've now 1948 01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:53,840 come to have a deeper understanding of where mechanics 1949 01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:57,120 live and breathe and these internal cues like they, they 1950 01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:58,800 have a spot, they have a usefulness. 1951 01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:01,680 I couldn't throw it away because going back to performance, I 1952 01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:05,280 wasn't performing if I applied it the way that I was 1953 01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,960 intuitively receiving what Eco D was saying. 1954 01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:11,640 I wasn't getting the success that I needed, but it because I 1955 01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:16,640 understood what Eco D really, really holds as its core tenants 1956 01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:18,240 of what is really, really important. 1957 01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,680 I knew to keep that primary. And so that's kind of where how 1958 01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:23,800 I kind of came up with like, OK, this is secondary. 1959 01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,480 And I learned kind of how these two kind of interact together 1960 01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:30,200 and when to focus my attention a little bit more on these 1961 01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,840 secondary things and like, kind of put it a little bit more 1962 01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:36,920 prominent. And then how to keep the, the, 1963 01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,440 the, the focus of attention or like my connection to the 1964 01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,920 environment, you know, like how to work those two things 1965 01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:42,800 together. So anyways. 1966 01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:46,120 Yeah, so that's that. So when going back to the, the 1967 01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:49,440 system I use is we have this section called maximize where 1968 01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:51,960 we're just, we have an external environment built. 1969 01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,720 They're just heading in the mats, but we have specialties. 1970 01:44:55,720 --> 01:45:03,000 They'll have different the C1 or they have AC2AC1 and C0, which 1971 01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:07,960 means center field 01 and two. And we do it there. 1972 01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:10,160 So we're not so worried about ball flight. 1973 01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:14,440 That way they can focus on some biomechanical stuff because it 1974 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,400 bio mechanics matters. And so I this, I'll go back and 1975 01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:20,680 there's a reason why Latash made a book, forgot the other 1976 01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:23,800 author's name. He's like a biomechanical God. 1977 01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:27,400 It's called motor control bio mechanics, not glacier. 1978 01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,320 No, no, no, it's AV. It's a strange. 1979 01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:33,360 It's I have the book upstairs. I don't have it down here, but 1980 01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,160 it's. Hash progressions in motor 1981 01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,280 control. Or no, it's called bio mechanics 1982 01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:41,400 and motor control. So what their thing is, is you 1983 01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:43,840 can't separate the two because they still live within the 1984 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:47,360 Organism. And if you try to separate them, 1985 01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,440 then you're just, you know, we call a siloist, you know, like 1986 01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:55,400 people are there are dividing things to understand it, but 1987 01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:59,920 that's not how organisms work. You know, everything's 1988 01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:02,040 integrated. We're in an integrated, 1989 01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:05,640 integrated system. And that's in our ability to be 1990 01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,800 flexible. And, you know, especially with 1991 01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:12,560 our dexterity is what separates us. 1992 01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:17,520 So to find advantageous ways to do things like this is the 1993 01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:21,160 importance of CLA. You know why we do CLA before we 1994 01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:24,280 go and challenge it? Because it's like, if, if I can 1995 01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,280 give someone 15 swings where something clicks with them and 1996 01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,880 they're like, oh, and it's like, all right, let's go challenge 1997 01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,680 it. Let's see how it works. 1998 01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:37,400 Let's see if you can take that characteristic of your swing 1999 01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:41,560 that we're trying to make more efficient and see how it works. 2000 01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:46,520 And after a certain amount of time, if, if we see that it's 2001 01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:50,720 not, it's not where we should be, then we'll accept the loss 2002 01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:54,160 and we'll change. But you are ultimately each time 2003 01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,880 you have to test it and you have to go through, you have to go 2004 01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,360 through the pain of it. You know, like a lot of people 2005 01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:02,240 like, and you see this a lot in the big leagues. 2006 01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,440 If something doesn't click right away because they're like, oh, 2007 01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:12,280 I, I learn really fast. It's like, OK, like, yeah, you 2008 01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:14,360 may learn faster than others, but it doesn't mean you're going 2009 01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:17,040 to get it today. And if it doesn't work today, 2010 01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:18,400 doesn't mean you should throw it out. 2011 01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:22,080 But they'll constantly search because they're looking for 2012 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,080 something that they're looking for the magic bullet. 2013 01:47:24,440 --> 01:47:28,520 And that's where I think you focus on the the Organism 2014 01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:32,120 initially because that's what we have most control of as 2015 01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:33,680 ourselves. We have control. 2016 01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:35,840 We should have control of ourselves, but we need to 2017 01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:39,120 challenge it with the environment. 2018 01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,080 We need to, we need to battle test it. 2019 01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:43,280 You know, it's like, oh, we see this a lot. 2020 01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,760 And then Sean post this all the time with cone drills and 2021 01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:50,320 football, it's like, OK, cool. Like that. 2022 01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:54,800 Those cones aren't alive. So the moves you're working on, 2023 01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:58,480 they might build like a capacity to do these things, but they're 2024 01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:02,120 decoupled. So you're going to have to learn 2025 01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:05,400 how to do that when someone's actually trying to hit you. 2026 01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:10,200 And that's where there needs to be a transition, I think. 2027 01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:15,520 I think the, the cone drills are actually S&C and that's fine 2028 01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,560 because you're, you're the S&C is the point is to build 2029 01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:21,320 capacity and you know, but there needs to be some blending with 2030 01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:23,880 some representativeness. And we that it's a very hard 2031 01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:29,200 thing to do And S&C in my opinion, because, you know, if 2032 01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:31,800 you spend a lot of time doing that or you also don't have room 2033 01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:35,240 to do it because you're trying to create whatever you can to 2034 01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:37,000 obviously keep the the doors open. 2035 01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:39,720 Sometimes you're going to have more people than you want in 2036 01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:42,040 order to achieve that. But I think that's where the 2037 01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:46,160 coach has to work with the learner and say, hey, like, look 2038 01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:49,120 like, can we take what we're doing in the S&C and move it 2039 01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:50,800 over to the skill acquisition side? 2040 01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:52,360 And that's where the teamwork happens. 2041 01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:55,160 But so, yeah, I'm with it with the bio mechanics. 2042 01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:59,200 Like I think bio mechanics is a great thing, but can we that's, 2043 01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:00,880 and I think that's the power of CLA. 2044 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,040 It's like, and I heard someone's like you need to give someone 2045 01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:05,440 the right, you need to tell someone the right thing. 2046 01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:08,280 It's like, or you have them experience the right thing. 2047 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,040 And like, that's what I was telling you guys is like my 2048 01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,160 entire playing career, I would try to hit the inside part of 2049 01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:19,200 the ball, but why am I hitting the ball better now than I did 2050 01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:21,840 when I was playing? Why am I more consistent off the 2051 01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,840 same machine and I and I hit less? 2052 01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:28,520 It's because I'm willing to explore versus versus stick to 2053 01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:31,280 these rigid set of rules in bio mechanics. 2054 01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:34,560 And Cody Bellinger said this a few years ago. 2055 01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:39,040 He's like, I tried to develop different keys to the situation 2056 01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:42,840 or to how I'm feeling that day. And I work through the keys 2057 01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:46,280 because what worked yesterday may not work today and what I 2058 01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:48,040 took to that picture may not work. 2059 01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:53,440 So I mean make sure I have multiple keys that can get me to 2060 01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:55,560 where I want to go. I think it was like his MVP 2061 01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:57,200 season and. Yeah. 2062 01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:59,000 Was that the year that he had over 300? 2063 01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:00,080 Yeah. Come back. 2064 01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:00,760 Yeah. Yeah. 2065 01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:06,880 I I mean, I I love that season, especially all the the out in 2066 01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:11,720 front hits that he got. I mean, amazing, but they're I'm 2067 01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:12,840 curious about different things on that. 2068 01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:15,680 But anyways, real quick, is it Mark Latash? 2069 01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:19,360 Is that to your? Yeah, Latash and someone else. 2070 01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:22,280 Yeah, it's probably not because that's why I was wondering if 2071 01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:23,680 it's like progressions in motor control. 2072 01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:25,840 It's bio. It's bio mechanics in motor 2073 01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:28,680 control. OK, so because I think, I think 2074 01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:33,360 their objective was to, to was to bring the two together and 2075 01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:35,200 show that there's room for both of them. 2076 01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,560 And because, you know, a lot of the hitting guys out there claim 2077 01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,920 to be bio mechanism. Like, bro, you have no idea how 2078 01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:43,920 real, how hard real bio mechanics is. 2079 01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,640 I thought I was like good with bio mechanics and then I took a 2080 01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:50,240 doctoral level bio mechanics class and I was like, uh, uh, no 2081 01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:53,280 chance. These guys are like the math is 2082 01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,720 crazy. Like, and not being able to rely 2083 01:50:56,720 --> 01:51:00,560 on technology and having to make your own charts and tables and 2084 01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:06,400 do the own math yourself. Bro, it was, I was like, I was 2085 01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:08,640 like, I'm not a biomechanist. Not at all. 2086 01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:12,280 It's, it's, it's way too much. It's, and it's so easy to throw 2087 01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:16,680 around that term because it's, it's what people think they're 2088 01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:19,040 doing. But like you go into like, was 2089 01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:21,720 it Anthony Brady from Driveline? He's with the Is this with the 2090 01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:24,960 Phillies now? I don't know, but yeah, he's no 2091 01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:27,480 longer there that. Guy was so smart it was insane. 2092 01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:28,800 Yeah, he was. He was. 2093 01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:30,320 It was good to talk with him. Yeah, he was. 2094 01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,800 A really nice guy, super down to earth made. 2095 01:51:33,480 --> 01:51:36,120 He made talking bio mechanics simple and what it was really 2096 01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:38,680 cool talking with them because they went to Japan and they 2097 01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:40,760 noticed a consistent difference between. 2098 01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,880 Cultural and the and and the Dominicans. 2099 01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,120 Yeah, cultural bio mechanics. He noticed that there was a 2100 01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:52,320 particular it was probably having to do with all the 2101 01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:55,680 conditioning of the culture throughout the years. 2102 01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:59,080 How you know, they're more they're, you know, the a lot of 2103 01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:01,960 the Asian community is more floor based and they're willing 2104 01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:03,600 to go to the floor. That's why they're deep. 2105 01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:06,800 Squats are like fantastic and they're crisscrossed. 2106 01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,600 Applesauce is like, I have a couple, I have a 2107 01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:11,440 physiotherapist. I asked a few years ago. 2108 01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:14,000 I was like, hey, Manny, how do you sit like that? 2109 01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,840 He goes, are you Asian? I go, no, he goes, good luck. 2110 01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:20,640 I'm like, I'm like, oh man, like, you know, like why did you 2111 01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:22,880 have to do me like that? I want to get better. 2112 01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:26,600 But yeah, so like there's there's room for everything and 2113 01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:30,440 I think it's just the bio mechanics is just tells us like 2114 01:52:30,440 --> 01:52:35,160 the efficiency or what could be possible, but it doesn't mean 2115 01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:38,280 someone isn't going to live on the outskirts of that, that the 2116 01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:41,720 standard deviation that we see. And like, I think that's a lot 2117 01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:44,480 what a lot of, you know, guys that are in the biomechanical 2118 01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:48,120 field self-proclaimed, they're not looking at a standard 2119 01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:49,480 deviation. They're just looking at an 2120 01:52:49,480 --> 01:52:52,440 average and they're trying to put people on that average. 2121 01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:55,000 But you know, like you have to understand injury history. 2122 01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:59,720 You have to understand, you know, a lot of other things that 2123 01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,640 go like, you know, that's why I think of on base youth is, is a 2124 01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:05,840 pretty cool, simple thing that you can, especially if you 2125 01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:08,720 implement it into your system. It's like for onboarding 2126 01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:11,400 reasons, it's like, OK, well, if we have something that's 2127 01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:15,160 standard across the board, we can all talk about what we see 2128 01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,960 from that perspective, which allows that teamwork to take 2129 01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:19,760 place. So there's a, there's a bunch of 2130 01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:23,440 good tools out there. I'm still here. 2131 01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:25,120 It's asking me if I'm still here. 2132 01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:26,720 I'm still here. How weird. 2133 01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:29,360 Yeah, well, you're the one that's talking, so I mean, you 2134 01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:33,560 would think you would know. It's OK Kyle A want you to jump 2135 01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:37,720 in again if you got something. I had something, I think that I 2136 01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,240 was thinking about Michael Harris, when you guys were 2137 01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:43,800 talking various things and even when you brought, who did you 2138 01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:46,480 bring up to head the MVP season? Cody Bellinger. 2139 01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,960 Yeah, Michael Harris has had a terrible season. 2140 01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:55,280 Like he's in like the 40 WRPRC plus like for the first half of 2141 01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:58,800 the season, it was like rookie of the year, like signed a 2142 01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:01,920 decent contract, like a huge contract for the Atlanta Braves. 2143 01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:04,160 It's like an inside joke because the Braves don't sign anybody to 2144 01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:08,000 huge contracts. But my point is he he really 2145 01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,600 sucked. And then they raised his hands 2146 01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:14,880 and the word on the street is that the new hitting coach had 2147 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,040 suggested it in the spring, in spring training. 2148 01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:20,520 And ever since then, he's just been tearing the cover off the 2149 01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:22,760 ball. And So what, what tends to 2150 01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:27,440 happen is we look at that as like, well, there it is, right? 2151 01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:31,280 We, we fixed him. It was this one thing and we 2152 01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:37,120 inputted this singular factor and that led to, it's almost 2153 01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:40,760 like a linear equation, right? Like I plugged in a, we just 2154 01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:42,520 changed his hands. That clicked. 2155 01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:45,000 Everything else is good. And I'd, I'd just be fascinated 2156 01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,960 to hear your thoughts because some of the threads that we've, 2157 01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:52,480 we've weaved throughout this is like, I wouldn't be surprised if 2158 01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:55,560 from a biomechanical standpoint, he's moving a little bit 2159 01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:58,800 different. But also I wouldn't be surprised 2160 01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:02,360 if like he's just out of his head more because he just 2161 01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,040 changed something, right? So like his intentions or his 2162 01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:08,080 cognitions have changed and if that has changed, then his 2163 01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:10,800 perception has changed, right? If he has a different, if he's 2164 01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:13,080 not just, oh, and I suck, at least I'm trying something new. 2165 01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:15,320 And it was working here. I also wouldn't be surprised if 2166 01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:18,440 he just got a couple hits and it just happened to coincide when 2167 01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:20,320 he changed his hands. And so all of a sudden he's just 2168 01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,720 more confident. And I think it's a little bit 2169 01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:23,680 back to what you were talking about. 2170 01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:26,080 It's like the inner woven Ness of all of this. 2171 01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:30,280 I think it makes it supremely challenging at times to know 2172 01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:33,440 where exactly you're going with a player and and and what 2173 01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:35,160 changes to make and why they might work. 2174 01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:38,800 But it does give you a lot of freedom to explore and not 2175 01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,680 really need to know why something works as much as like, 2176 01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:43,960 well it did. So let's just keep exploring 2177 01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:45,080 together. Yeah. 2178 01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:47,680 I think that goes into like what I was talking about with Franz 2179 01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:51,400 Bosch, because I think like he talks about explore, discover 2180 01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:53,600 exploit. And so I think this is really a 2181 01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:55,880 fun thing. And when you constrain the 2182 01:55:56,760 --> 01:56:00,040 hitter with their own body. So like, you know, we do 2183 01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:03,800 something called, you know, we call them mid body bat tips and 2184 01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:06,040 it kind of like you were talking about Gary's like tipping the 2185 01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:07,960 bat, but we start their hands here. 2186 01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:12,360 You you literally can't get off a swing from here, so you're 2187 01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:14,840 going to self organize and and remove slack. 2188 01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:18,880 So when I start to respond, my I get, we talk about deceleration 2189 01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:20,680 points. The torso will decelerate and 2190 01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:22,880 then the bat slings off the body. 2191 01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:27,160 And you know, we're also in, I think this is where like, I 2192 01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:29,760 think part of the benefit of growing up when I did is we 2193 01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,560 didn't have anything. So I was imitating Ken Griffey, 2194 01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:37,760 junior Andre Scalraga, Dante Bouchette, you know, anyone that 2195 01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,560 was like, like I remember Benny Agbayani. 2196 01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:44,000 I was just imitating everyone I could. 2197 01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,960 And what I didn't realize, I was also very fortunate my brother 2198 01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,480 was a Division One pitcher. He's four years older than me. 2199 01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:51,680 So essentially I'm in middle school facing a Division One 2200 01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:54,920 pitcher, like in the backyard, you know, like what the dog saw, 2201 01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:58,840 right? So I think there's something to 2202 01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:03,880 just exploring without any bias because, and this is I think the 2203 01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:07,160 also the beauty of guys like Cal Ripken where everyone's like, 2204 01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:10,440 oh, he's changing again. It's like maybe he was exploring 2205 01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:13,400 the cage and it led to some sort of confidence. 2206 01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:16,600 And then when you're confident, you let go and you just play. 2207 01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:20,680 So this is where I think like trying to achieve the mechanic 2208 01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:23,160 versus just trying to see what's available. 2209 01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:30,480 It is I think putting that out to the athlete is really 2210 01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:32,520 important. It's like you don't have to do 2211 01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:37,480 it this way. You know, you don't have to, but 2212 01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:41,280 I expect that you'll explore and find out where it works. 2213 01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:44,280 Like, like, like I figured something out yesterday with my 2214 01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:45,920 own hitting. And this is all experiential. 2215 01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:50,480 I'm not saying it'll work for anyone, but because I was a 2216 01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:55,520 downhill guy really early, you know, really inside the ball, 2217 01:57:55,520 --> 01:58:00,280 you know, the classical, you know, the classical BS. 2218 01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:04,440 It didn't leave me room for exploration because it's like, 2219 01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,040 hit the inside part of the ball, you'll be all right. 2220 01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:08,280 Hit the inside ball, hit the ball over second baseman's head, 2221 01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:10,360 you'll be all right. And it's like, OK, well, yeah, 2222 01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:14,080 that works. But I'm only hitting singles and 2223 01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:16,200 I, I, I have, I have big boy pop. 2224 01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:20,200 Like what am I doing here? And like when I when I would 2225 01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:22,560 when I black out. They just believe it'll just 2226 01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:24,760 come. It'll just it'll just randomly 2227 01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:28,280 when you focus that way, it just it opens you up to be able to go 2228 01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:31,040 pull side because everybody pulls like it's just you can 2229 01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:33,080 just pull on command like it's just yeah, you just. 2230 01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:36,440 React and but then you're seeing guys take balls on the outer 2231 01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:40,680 half like 390 pool side and you're like, and it's like, OK, 2232 01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:43,360 are you going to tell them to push the ball the other way? 2233 01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:46,360 So but like yesterday I was working, I was just I was like, 2234 01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:49,640 I'm just going to start my hands here and I'm going to I'm going 2235 01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:52,360 to I'm literally going to feel like Ricky Henderson just going 2236 01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:55,640 to like lean over the plate. So I createspace and like, 2237 01:58:55,640 --> 01:58:58,680 here's and I'm also seeing some like a lot of things that 2238 01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:01,880 irritate me with hitting these days, like trying to hold your 2239 01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:04,400 path. And it's like, OK, if you really 2240 01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:07,600 understand deceleration mechanics, this lead aren't this 2241 01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:11,200 elite elbow should never come out unless it's an impromptu 2242 01:59:11,200 --> 01:59:12,640 move. It's just something it's just 2243 01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:14,880 how you organize. Like, like what a Vladimir 2244 01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,360 Guerrero junior will do on a high inside pitch. 2245 01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:20,600 It's like 1 1/2 balls in. It's like, OK, well, yeah. 2246 01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:26,160 But you know, you look at a lot of these guys, the number, like 2247 01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:28,080 they keep saying like hit the ball in front. 2248 01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:30,760 And I think people misinterpret that is like, get your hands out 2249 01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:33,680 in front. But the Kyle Wagner and I 2250 01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:35,920 actually, I think had gone back and forth a little bit on 2251 01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:37,120 Twitter on this. He's all about getting the 2252 01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:39,920 barrel out. So it's like, well, if this arm 2253 01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,800 moves away, the barrel's not coming out. 2254 01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:47,920 In order for the barrel to come out that needs to decelerate or 2255 01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:52,200 needs to decelerate and that whips off and that that, you 2256 01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:54,880 know, you have people like trying to limit rotation. 2257 01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:59,200 And it's like, well, if you have good deceleration, active 2258 01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:03,200 deceleration components, meaning we're not running into end 2259 02:00:03,200 --> 02:00:05,960 range, we're not jamming bones together, we're not pinching 2260 02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:11,880 stuff and you have control, then you're going to get everything 2261 02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:13,760 you want. And so like going back to like 2262 02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:17,080 what I was working on after that, it was like once I got 2263 02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:20,440 there, it was literally because. I honestly believe once you get 2264 02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:22,560 to a certain level, you already know how to rotate. 2265 02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:25,200 Like you're not going to play big boy baseball if you don't 2266 02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:27,800 know how to rotate. Like, sorry, it's not going to 2267 02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:34,320 happen. And so getting the barrel out is 2268 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:38,600 the main objective and whatever happens after that doesn't 2269 02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:41,720 really matter. And like being so strict on the 2270 02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:43,920 rules, like you have to inside hit the inside part of the ball. 2271 02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:46,240 You got to try to bat back spins a complete. 2272 02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:48,360 We're not going to go there. That's it. 2273 02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:51,160 Yeah, I'm curious about. We'd do that later. 2274 02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:54,200 We can go there. We can go anywhere. 2275 02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:58,160 But like, if you just look at physics, it's like, yeah, we 2276 02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:00,520 want backspin to create Carrie. But if we like you're 2277 02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:04,080 intentionally creating backspin, you know you're gonna you're 2278 02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:06,960 gonna. You know Doc, You know Mark 2279 02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:08,120 Spencer. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 2280 02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:12,440 That guy's so funny. That guy's, that guy's so funny. 2281 02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:15,720 I love him. I mean, the whole thing of top 2282 02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:18,720 spin, top spin line drives, you start thinking about it for even 2283 02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:21,440 from an ecological perspective, you're like, dude, everybody's 2284 02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,320 been talking about backspin, backspin, backspin. 2285 02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:26,600 And I remember once like looking into Golf for like torque 2286 02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:29,440 because I wanted to understand like moment of inertia and like, 2287 02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:31,080 you know, all that sort of stuff. 2288 02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:34,720 And I remember watching a video and they're basically talking 2289 02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:38,720 like, yeah, if I want to hit the ball really high up in the air 2290 02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:42,320 so that it lands and doesn't roll, I want to hit with a ton 2291 02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:44,440 of backspin. I want more backspin. 2292 02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:47,880 And it's just like, so wait, this whole thing of like the, 2293 02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:50,000 the whole theory was you want backspin. 2294 02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:52,560 So it goes farther. And my understanding from Golf 2295 02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:55,320 is the more backspin means the higher it goes. 2296 02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:58,760 So if I want to hit a pop up, I want to backspin the crap out of 2297 02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:00,360 that thing. And when you start looking like 2298 02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:02,440 because I remember when I first got to DC, it's. 2299 02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:07,000 Just magnificent, right? I mean explain that I mean. 2300 02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:09,000 Magnificent effect is. But I you. 2301 02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:12,120 Create. When you have more spin, the 2302 02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:15,160 ball tends to float up. It tends to levitate. 2303 02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:17,040 Bites gravity. Yeah, exactly. 2304 02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:19,480 Yeah. But that's why it's gonna go 2305 02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:21,680 further. But like, I mean, that's where 2306 02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:25,240 I'm just like it it. Yeah, Further, straight up, you 2307 02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:28,480 know, because I remember watching, I remember watching 2308 02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:31,800 like we had this big, big, I think he was Puerto Rican. 2309 02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:34,360 I think he's Puerto Rican, this big Puerto Rican kid. 2310 02:02:34,680 --> 02:02:37,640 And like, man, he was a kid. Because, you know, all those 2311 02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:39,840 Puerto Ricans, because of the academies, they all teach him to 2312 02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:42,280 swing down. And man, he would take a big 2313 02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:44,880 hack and you would think the ball would explode off his bat 2314 02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:47,760 and just go flying out. No, the thing would balloon up 2315 02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:50,160 and you're just like, is it gonna make it? 2316 02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:52,960 Like sometimes it wouldn't make it and other times it would just 2317 02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,200 like it would just barely float over the fence. 2318 02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:58,800 It won't explode off the bat and just like go bam and just fly 2319 02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:00,560 out of the. Park. 2320 02:03:01,960 --> 02:03:04,040 Right. And so you're just like, that 2321 02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:07,280 makes more sense of why it was like dudes just backspinning the 2322 02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:09,560 crap out of it. And sometimes, you know, the 2323 02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:12,000 either the wind's there or he got enough of it, but it didn't 2324 02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:15,880 look like he, it looked like you expected more to come off the 2325 02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:17,720 bat than what actually. Did that was me. 2326 02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:23,360 So that was me. But when I got one, it was cool. 2327 02:03:23,680 --> 02:03:26,480 But yeah, so I mean, and there's a reason why they shaped the 2328 02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:30,840 clubs the way they do and because it inherently will do it 2329 02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:34,600 for you. And that's something we got like 2330 02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:38,600 a lot of these guys aren't understanding and like, and when 2331 02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:41,000 you start really getting the skill acquisition, you start 2332 02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:44,840 understanding that the elite athletes will succeed in spite 2333 02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:47,160 of their training. They they always will every 2334 02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:49,080 time. I mean, like Mike Trout says he 2335 02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:51,280 feels his hands go down. No chance. 2336 02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:55,080 Like never his hands stay here. And it's just side bend, tilt, 2337 02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:57,920 barrel release. And that's the really cool thing 2338 02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:01,280 is once you start understanding vertical bad angles, getting 2339 02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:04,760 loft is all about just releasing the barrel because the barrel 2340 02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:07,360 now swings and it's like we don't have to manufacture a 2341 02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:08,960 plane. So what do you mean by release? 2342 02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:13,280 Because like, I guess once I got into ECO, DI got less because I 2343 02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:15,400 used to feel the pressure of like, I need to know everything 2344 02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:17,640 and then you're just like, OK, yeah, I have. 2345 02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:21,200 Like 30 of them so. While you're doing that, I'll 2346 02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:24,800 just I'll fill the space like I used to just have so much 2347 02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:27,280 anxiety of like I need to know everything and I don't feel like 2348 02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:30,800 I really understand it to the level I want and this and that. 2349 02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:33,920 And so I don't know, Eco D gave me the freedom of like, 2350 02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,160 actually, I don't need to know everything. 2351 02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:39,400 You know, if I allow the if I set things up and I give them 2352 02:04:39,400 --> 02:04:42,440 the correct intentions, they're just going to naturally self 2353 02:04:42,440 --> 02:04:44,760 organize or we're going to explore around till we find it. 2354 02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:47,400 But I mean, here's where I want to go with this before you, 2355 02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:50,520 before you demonstrate the reason why I think learning this 2356 02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:53,320 is important, if you can understand it, right, Like, I'm 2357 02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:56,920 not, you know, I'm not hunting this like as as ravenously as I 2358 02:04:56,920 --> 02:05:00,640 used to, but like, I'm open to like learning it, But I don't 2359 02:05:00,640 --> 02:05:02,680 have to like feel like I I need to learn it all now. 2360 02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:04,240 Otherwise I'm not going to be able to help guys. 2361 02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:08,880 I, I feel like we're all this fits and sits is like when I'm 2362 02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:13,040 helping a guy, I can help him search, you know, I can point 2363 02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:15,800 him to where to search. I'm like, I think this might 2364 02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:16,680 help. Let's search here. 2365 02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:19,800 Let's search in this area and see if we can find something 2366 02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:21,720 that's going to work for you. Like it to me, it's just going 2367 02:05:21,720 --> 02:05:25,680 to help, you know, eliminate, you know, because you could, you 2368 02:05:25,680 --> 02:05:27,600 could search anywhere. You could go with your feet, you 2369 02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:29,960 could go with your hands, you could go with your, you know, 2370 02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:32,840 your, your pelvis. You could like you could so many 2371 02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:36,280 things, but like having a better understanding of this like helps 2372 02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:38,600 you go, you know what, let's let's do our search here. 2373 02:05:38,840 --> 02:05:41,600 So anyways, yeah, so. Yeah, no, 1000. 2374 02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:44,200 Percent agree. Because, and I think that's the 2375 02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:48,400 beauty of CLA because it's like, OK, like we're we're leveraging 2376 02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:51,320 blast, we're leveraging K motion, we're leveraging the 2377 02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:53,960 force plate. Now instead of dictating what 2378 02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:57,720 people do, we give them a constraint and we let them 2379 02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,320 figure out for themselves. Because at this point, like you 2380 02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:04,640 can test the constraint to see if it produces like better 2381 02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:09,320 attack angle, better VBA. Because like if you use a tap 2382 02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:13,320 ball, like if, if you want to keep that tap all in there, 2383 02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:16,000 well, that lead arm has to stay close and then you'll, you'll 2384 02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:18,000 get better attack angle. We see it every time. 2385 02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:22,520 So when we talk about tilt and loft angle, So like if I'm 2386 02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:27,600 hitting and I'm more upright, well, now my, my release is more 2387 02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:31,600 horizontal. So if I'm trying to get my side 2388 02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:35,920 bend and get my vertical angles and I decelerate well, my barrel 2389 02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:39,080 is going to release more in the plane, but I'm also going to 2390 02:06:39,080 --> 02:06:43,600 catch it with better loft angle. So by constraining the lead arm, 2391 02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:48,040 you're going to eliminate that put that that wing feel and now 2392 02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:49,840 the barrel is not going to get out. 2393 02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:53,800 Now I'm hitting it to two square rather than, you know, releasing 2394 02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:56,080 and getting under it. And I think This is why we see 2395 02:06:56,080 --> 02:07:01,000 Mike Trout as best. It's just that and you just 2396 02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:05,360 scoop stuff up. But you know, and DK Willardson, 2397 02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:09,200 if you're looking at his book Quantitative Hitting, fantastic. 2398 02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:10,760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, fantastic. 2399 02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:12,040 Heard about that but now the MLB? 2400 02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:15,040 Is in the quantity. Yeah, I, I had one. 2401 02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:17,680 I have one. I, I used it like 3 times 2402 02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:21,040 because I had one kid use it and he hit like he actually hit the 2403 02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:22,760 T and bent it. Yeah. 2404 02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:25,240 And I'm like, I'm like, this is like $500. 2405 02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:28,440 Yep. Like I can't do this. 2406 02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:30,640 So then it just sets collects dust. 2407 02:07:30,640 --> 02:07:33,480 But you know, but I think the whole it was worth the money 2408 02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:38,000 because it it it allowed me to understand because it itself is 2409 02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,680 a constraint, just a very low representative constraint. 2410 02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:44,200 So it is CLA. It's beautiful and it and it and 2411 02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:46,400 it creates the appropriate angles that you need. 2412 02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:50,680 And this guy did a ton of work and, you know, a lot of people I 2413 02:07:50,680 --> 02:07:53,120 think aren't citing him like they should because he was the 2414 02:07:53,120 --> 02:07:55,800 only guy I ever heard that was talking about VBA. 2415 02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:58,720 And you start looking at guys like Freddie Freeman, Mike 2416 02:07:58,720 --> 02:08:01,760 Trout, Joey Votto, all these guys that have really low 2417 02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:04,600 infield pop up rates. You know, guys like Freddie 2418 02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:08,480 Freeman, not the highest bat speed anymore, but he still hits 2419 02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:13,120 his 20 to 25 to 30 every year. And like no one hits with more 2420 02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:15,200 tilt than him. It's incredible. 2421 02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:20,440 So it's like. So, OK on that question, right? 2422 02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:24,760 Because this is where for me, when I start hearing stats and 2423 02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:28,080 like my eco D brain goes, yeah, OK, that's cool. 2424 02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:31,800 But is this for everybody? Like to me, this is contextual, 2425 02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:34,240 right? Like what works, you know, based 2426 02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:38,400 upon their intrinsic dynamics? Yeah. 2427 02:08:38,440 --> 02:08:41,640 You know, like how is this really for everybody? 2428 02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:44,800 Should everybody try to swing like Freddie Freeman and Mike 2429 02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:47,240 Trout, right. So like, like, explain to me, 2430 02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:52,040 like how do you determine, you know, which what angles are 2431 02:08:52,040 --> 02:08:55,120 right for which guys, you know what I mean to like, how do you, 2432 02:08:55,120 --> 02:08:56,640 how do you start to manipulate this? 2433 02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:59,000 Because initially what everybody's going to try to do 2434 02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:00,040 when they first hear this, right? 2435 02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:02,560 And it, it's totally normal. Because if you think about the 2436 02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:05,640 stages of learning with like for me, it was really obvious with 2437 02:09:05,640 --> 02:09:07,920 kids, what do they do? How do I want to teach them how 2438 02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,760 to speak? I need to identify things and 2439 02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:15,840 just point like, OK, this is is an apple, this is whatever, 2440 02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:17,760 right? And then initially the child, 2441 02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:19,880 all it does is repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. 2442 02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:24,720 OK, so I totally, I don't fault anybody for after they interact 2443 02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:26,480 with something, the first thing they're going to do is just 2444 02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:30,120 repeat, you know, they're not going to generally speaking, go 2445 02:09:30,120 --> 02:09:31,760 deeper. They're just going to go on 2446 02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:33,800 repeat. So like to me the, the feel is, 2447 02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:37,680 is like, OK, you keep telling me over and over that like more VBA 2448 02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:40,760 is better, but is that true? Like because that's all of a 2449 02:09:40,760 --> 02:09:43,080 sudden we start chasing this thing and all of a sudden it 2450 02:09:43,080 --> 02:09:45,720 like it will work great for the bell curve. 2451 02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:48,200 You know what I'm saying? Like, OK, you get your really 2452 02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:50,200 high responders, but the guys that are in the bottom half of 2453 02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:52,240 the bell curve, like sorry, you're kind of Sol. 2454 02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:55,320 So like this is where I guess I'm going is like, how do we, 2455 02:09:55,320 --> 02:09:58,080 how do we have a deeper appreciation for for this 2456 02:09:58,080 --> 02:10:03,760 instead of just being like more VBA good and less bad? 2457 02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:06,520 Well, I don't think it's necessarily more because if you 2458 02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:09,280 get a guy that's horizontal right and that can elevate the 2459 02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:11,840 ball, then you're probably not even gonna look that way 2460 02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:14,840 anyways, because if they're already hitting the ball for 2461 02:10:14,840 --> 02:10:17,960 power and they're driving the ball to the outfield at a 2462 02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:20,520 consistent rate and you probably won't even mess with it. 2463 02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:22,720 But if you start to notice that we're getting a like a lot of 2464 02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:26,400 backspin and those floaty balls that it's like, and this is 2465 02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:30,000 where you CLA it and then you expose it to a higher contextual 2466 02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:34,040 environment and say, Hey, look like your VBA is going to be 2467 02:10:34,040 --> 02:10:36,480 different at at varying locations. 2468 02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:39,320 Right, well, and that's the other thing to me is like even 2469 02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:42,440 like now, because I haven't really doven in and I was hoping 2470 02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:45,320 to find somebody who actually maybe we'll do that in the 2471 02:10:45,320 --> 02:10:48,880 future is find somebody who's really doving into like the new 2472 02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:51,840 bat tracking stuff, because I think they really are starting 2473 02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:54,080 to track like they're putting out the data of like it's 2474 02:10:54,080 --> 02:10:56,400 tracked. It's got the whole it's got the 2475 02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:58,520 whole swing arc. It's got all this stuff right. 2476 02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:02,200 Like that I think is where the next level of analysis needs to 2477 02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:04,640 go. But I don't, you know, like I 2478 02:11:04,640 --> 02:11:08,520 don't Kyle's, you know, got a book on R and I've, I have not 2479 02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:12,360 yet really dove into R to like really pull data myself and 2480 02:11:12,360 --> 02:11:14,600 really try to recreate it and ask a bunch of questions. 2481 02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:18,560 But I see the potential there of, you know, like, OK, you're 2482 02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:22,240 taking this amalgamation and all you're spitting out is like, oh, 2483 02:11:22,240 --> 02:11:25,120 we're looking at averages. OK, that doesn't tell me what it 2484 02:11:25,120 --> 02:11:27,720 is on a high and inside pitch. You're just showing me one ideal 2485 02:11:27,720 --> 02:11:29,320 pitch where he absolutely crushed. 2486 02:11:29,320 --> 02:11:31,120 That's. Where DK holds, that's where DK 2487 02:11:31,560 --> 02:11:35,160 nails it because he actually puts out a strike zone and he's 2488 02:11:35,160 --> 02:11:38,240 saying like here, here's your variance for these different, 2489 02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:41,920 these different pitch locations. And so the, what he was saying 2490 02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:46,600 is that the more inside you would get, the greater the VBA 2491 02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:49,320 need. The higher the elevation of the 2492 02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:53,680 pitch, the less VBA, the more outside, the less VBA. 2493 02:11:53,680 --> 02:11:58,800 So it's so like, if this is a strike zone here, their coverage 2494 02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:01,080 would look more like that. And you look at guys like, 2495 02:12:01,400 --> 02:12:04,440 again, like guys like Freddie Freeman that cover a lot of the 2496 02:12:04,440 --> 02:12:09,520 plate really well. He can get flat, he can get 2497 02:12:09,720 --> 02:12:12,440 angled. And this is where variability 2498 02:12:12,440 --> 02:12:15,160 and having good movement diversification pays off. 2499 02:12:15,160 --> 02:12:19,360 And not trying to practice the technique, it's like, go, go 2500 02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:23,120 battle test it. And if you battle test it, and 2501 02:12:23,120 --> 02:12:25,720 this is where it's like, I don't like to tell people what they 2502 02:12:25,720 --> 02:12:29,440 should experience. So it's like, I'm a coach. 2503 02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:32,080 I, I, I really try to act as a Sherpa. 2504 02:12:32,600 --> 02:12:34,240 I'm just taking you up the mountain. 2505 02:12:34,240 --> 02:12:37,200 I'm taking you what I feel is going to be the best view. 2506 02:12:37,640 --> 02:12:40,280 But ultimately it's going to be your experience and how you 2507 02:12:40,280 --> 02:12:43,160 interpret what we're doing. And if you think like, it's 2508 02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:45,560 like, oh, I'm hanging the ball better. 2509 02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:47,880 I feel more hands. It's like use more hands. 2510 02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:51,400 Hey, I feel like I'm riding my backside more. 2511 02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:55,920 Ride your backside like that's for that's for the, the athlete 2512 02:12:55,960 --> 02:13:00,600 to discover and exploit. So it I think like once you 2513 02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:03,760 start putting again. So we, we've, we've tested a lot 2514 02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:07,400 of the, the drills that we do because we do some prescriptive 2515 02:13:07,400 --> 02:13:09,680 stuff because there, I think there's something there. 2516 02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:13,760 But ultimately when you get into your challenge and like you're 2517 02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:17,600 really like looking at ball contact, it needs to be 2518 02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:19,760 difficult and really needs to be representative. 2519 02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:24,640 And what I've seen is if you can, and this is where I think 2520 02:13:24,640 --> 02:13:28,200 FRC fits perfectly into hitting because now you can, you can, 2521 02:13:28,280 --> 02:13:32,040 you can train variability within the system and then integrate 2522 02:13:32,040 --> 02:13:33,960 it. So you get guys that don't side 2523 02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:37,240 bend well, OK, well their VBA is probably going to be trash. 2524 02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:41,120 And so you're going to get guys that look more like Juan Soto or 2525 02:13:41,120 --> 02:13:44,040 Trey Turner, which they're successful in their own ways, 2526 02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:49,080 but they're also those guys. And that's to say is like if 2527 02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:51,920 someone's already hitting well, then it's more about challenging 2528 02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:55,680 them and and making hitting interesting. 2529 02:13:56,080 --> 02:14:03,520 That is just feeding them balls. So I think it's one does does 2530 02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:06,680 what you're doing really say does it really do what you say 2531 02:14:06,680 --> 02:14:08,120 it's going to do for that person? 2532 02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:11,720 And that's where like you use things like blast motion, which 2533 02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:16,000 has its own set of issues, but it's an affordable sensor that 2534 02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:19,560 is going to do better than you know, just using your eyes. 2535 02:14:20,080 --> 02:14:24,040 So like, but if you can take like a trail arm connection ball 2536 02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:27,320 drill and your connection improves, well, you know that 2537 02:14:27,320 --> 02:14:31,240 the bats going to ride the body. Now if you can get, you can look 2538 02:14:31,240 --> 02:14:34,560 at something like K motion. Does this person hold their 2539 02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:35,280 hinge? Well? 2540 02:14:35,520 --> 02:14:39,680 Because if they can hold their hinge or they can get hinged and 2541 02:14:39,680 --> 02:14:42,160 they can stay connected, their VBA should be there. 2542 02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:47,920 So if your connection's at 90 and then you side bend OR 2543 02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:50,840 forward bend turns in the side bend and you hold that angle, 2544 02:14:51,440 --> 02:14:54,400 well, that's going to dictate what your, your VBA is. 2545 02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:57,520 And if you have good deceleration patterns because 2546 02:14:57,520 --> 02:14:59,960 you, like, I use water bags for that because there's a lot of 2547 02:14:59,960 --> 02:15:04,160 feedback and like you can feel the water slam and you don't 2548 02:15:04,160 --> 02:15:06,080 feel the water slam unless you decelerate. 2549 02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:11,560 But that by itself does not, it by itself cannot integrate. 2550 02:15:11,640 --> 02:15:16,280 It's not specific enough. So it's like you have to, you 2551 02:15:16,280 --> 02:15:20,280 have to take like what we do is we take a water bag and then 2552 02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:24,600 some sort of constraint and then we let them like use, use the 2553 02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:26,680 water bag to move into their constraints. 2554 02:15:26,680 --> 02:15:31,360 They developed that tighter variability within, within their 2555 02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:34,480 bio mechanics, not necessarily with how they approach a 2556 02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:37,360 different pitch, like the pitch is going to tell you what to do, 2557 02:15:38,680 --> 02:15:43,040 but if we can make them more efficient under more variability 2558 02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:45,560 of the ball efficient, whatever that means, right? 2559 02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,280 I think you just have to look at result. 2560 02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:51,120 But if you can do that and let them explore it, then they 2561 02:15:51,200 --> 02:15:53,680 really come to their own conclusion that this is like, 2562 02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:57,040 Hey, this is like weird. Like I, I have a guy I'm working 2563 02:15:57,040 --> 02:15:59,800 with, who's with the, with the Blue Jays right now. 2564 02:16:00,200 --> 02:16:02,760 And like he, he sent me this picture of this video. 2565 02:16:02,760 --> 02:16:05,720 If I'm hitting and his hands are like this and he's like, yeah, 2566 02:16:05,720 --> 02:16:07,640 I'm, I'm, I'm rolling over everything. 2567 02:16:07,640 --> 02:16:11,160 I'm, I'm spinning off. It's like, yeah, you have to put 2568 02:16:11,160 --> 02:16:14,760 a put a connection ball there. He can pull side elevation on 2569 02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:18,640 everything and he's like, it feels really weird, but the 2570 02:16:18,640 --> 02:16:21,440 results are good and like, well, we're just means you're doing it 2571 02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:24,160 could be doing something different, which means you 2572 02:16:24,160 --> 02:16:26,960 haven't adapted to it, you haven't learned it, so you need 2573 02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:29,080 to do it regularly. But it doesn't fit his motor. 2574 02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:35,320 No, don't get me started there. So I mean, but like seriously, 2575 02:16:35,320 --> 02:16:37,920 like this is what some of the stuff of like there's there's 2576 02:16:38,320 --> 02:16:40,400 like with all things, right, There's I'll. 2577 02:16:40,400 --> 02:16:43,200 Tell you something real quick, I had a kid that got motor 2578 02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:46,120 preference because of his neck and he started doing what they 2579 02:16:46,120 --> 02:16:48,320 told him to do and he had neck pain afterwards. 2580 02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:52,760 I'm like, is that really your preference That causes pain? 2581 02:16:53,879 --> 02:16:55,959 And like you, we had an. I didn't know that. 2582 02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:59,480 Was not a studied enough must. Have done it wrong or not study 2583 02:16:59,480 --> 02:17:02,360 it didn't know that didn't know how it worked snap Lotus power 2584 02:17:02,360 --> 02:17:05,240 package. But you know, again, I think 2585 02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:09,959 there is some validity there, but it's too narrow for sure. 2586 02:17:09,959 --> 02:17:13,360 It's too narrow because it life is not black and white. 2587 02:17:13,680 --> 02:17:15,559 And what happens if someone gets injured? 2588 02:17:15,600 --> 02:17:21,559 And my other question for someone who like, you know, what 2589 02:17:21,559 --> 02:17:25,000 if they have some developmental issues, like you have a hitter, 2590 02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:29,719 like a lot of people like like, like like I had my son checked 2591 02:17:29,719 --> 02:17:32,520 with an OT. Well, he has some reflexes that 2592 02:17:32,520 --> 02:17:35,520 need to be integrated. What happens after I, I train 2593 02:17:35,520 --> 02:17:38,760 that because they talk about that being inborn, but you know, 2594 02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:40,440 that's what that's what we were given at birth. 2595 02:17:40,440 --> 02:17:44,840 It's like, well, one FRC exists, you should study that 2. 2596 02:17:45,799 --> 02:17:50,480 You know, it's, it's really easy to say, well, this is what, and 2597 02:17:50,480 --> 02:17:52,480 also their, their tests are really passive. 2598 02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:58,320 Like they push on your spine and it's like, well, yeah, I will 2599 02:17:58,320 --> 02:18:00,799 check passive range of motion too. 2600 02:18:00,799 --> 02:18:03,240 But can they control their pelvis? 2601 02:18:03,879 --> 02:18:08,360 Because if they can, then let's just move, move on. 2602 02:18:08,799 --> 02:18:11,080 I've had other kids do it. They told them to get like here 2603 02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:13,000 and they couldn't hit. And as soon as they like widened 2604 02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:16,719 out, they start mashing. So it's like, how about you? 2605 02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:20,120 My challenge, my challenge is just that they become the thing 2606 02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:22,400 that they criticize, right? What are they criticizing? 2607 02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:24,680 There's one way to move. Yeah, right. 2608 02:18:25,080 --> 02:18:27,600 Yeah, They're criticizing that like the one-size-fits-all, 2609 02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:30,559 except of course, for that person, once you find it and 2610 02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:31,719 unlock it. Yeah, right. 2611 02:18:31,719 --> 02:18:33,920 So like they sort of become the very thing that they're 2612 02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:37,160 criticizing, which is that there is a right mechanical model. 2613 02:18:37,160 --> 02:18:38,559 Like no it's not. Except for that guy. 2614 02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:40,600 My old strength coach said the same thing. 2615 02:18:40,600 --> 02:18:43,520 He's he's the one of the skill acquisition guys for the 2616 02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:48,200 Diamondbacks. There are valid points to motor 2617 02:18:48,200 --> 02:18:51,000 preferences, but it doesn't tell the whole story. 2618 02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:54,400 And I think like Kyle, what you're saying is it became what 2619 02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:59,559 they were trying to avoid. And my, I, I have an associate 2620 02:18:59,559 --> 02:19:03,200 of mine who is my strength coach at Marshall, who actually, I 2621 02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:05,559 still think he's the head of skill acquisition with the 2622 02:19:05,559 --> 02:19:08,600 Diamondbacks. And he had this the same very 2623 02:19:08,600 --> 02:19:11,799 issue. It's just like, well, you say 2624 02:19:11,799 --> 02:19:16,040 that you're not trying to bucket people, but you're giving two 2625 02:19:16,040 --> 02:19:18,879 options per whatever you're looking at. 2626 02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:23,719 That means there's buckets and like you're putting them in one 2627 02:19:23,719 --> 02:19:29,680 or the other and you know, it's kind of contradicting where it 2628 02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:32,040 will work for some people, right? 2629 02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:36,959 Like, but to say that you can't develop movement, it's like, 2630 02:19:36,959 --> 02:19:38,680 then why do we even have physical therapy? 2631 02:19:39,480 --> 02:19:44,000 Like why do we have O TS? Why do we have occupational 2632 02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:47,400 therapists? Because like my son was, you 2633 02:19:47,400 --> 02:19:50,560 know, still doesn't have his, some of his reflexes integrated, 2634 02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:53,840 but they can integrate. So that's going to change the 2635 02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:57,960 way he moves and operates. And why is it when I expand 2636 02:19:57,960 --> 02:20:01,320 someone's capsule and teach them how to use it, they can get laid 2637 02:20:01,320 --> 02:20:04,640 back? Why is it that they can side 2638 02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:08,560 bend better once we, you know, teach them how to move their 2639 02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:10,720 spines? I think it's I think it's just, 2640 02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:15,040 I think it's more complicated than what they make it. 2641 02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:18,560 But you know, we're trying to create almost like a TV dinner 2642 02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:20,600 for people. We're just trying to prepackage 2643 02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:23,600 it and be like, here you go. But certainly the challenge, 2644 02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:28,280 unfortunately even further is if they were to hear this, they 2645 02:20:28,280 --> 02:20:30,800 would say, well, you know, you got to, you know, you got to 2646 02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:33,320 take our course and we'll tell you how this person is right 2647 02:20:33,320 --> 02:20:37,480 toed and, you know, lat dominant and, you know, rotationally left 2648 02:20:37,480 --> 02:20:40,160 side eared. And like they'll they'll go down 2649 02:20:40,160 --> 02:20:43,160 the rabbit hole and and tell you it's actually not super simple. 2650 02:20:43,160 --> 02:20:46,200 You're just applying it wrongly. And, and, and, and sometimes I 2651 02:20:46,200 --> 02:20:48,400 have, I have a fear of those things as well. 2652 02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:51,080 It's like there's this sense in which it, yeah, there does need 2653 02:20:51,080 --> 02:20:55,560 to be an incredible deep wealth, well, of like complexity in, in 2654 02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:57,640 something that you're studying. I think that that we even see 2655 02:20:57,640 --> 02:21:00,400 that within ecological dynamics and skill acquisition. 2656 02:21:00,400 --> 02:21:03,520 And yet also there it needs to be on the side of simplicity 2657 02:21:03,640 --> 02:21:05,600 too. And, and you kind of can't have 2658 02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:07,400 both. You can't, can't, can't say it's 2659 02:21:07,400 --> 02:21:09,640 super simple. And then when somebody pokes a 2660 02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:11,400 hole in it, you go, well, you just don't understand. 2661 02:21:11,400 --> 02:21:12,680 You haven't studied it deep enough. 2662 02:21:12,680 --> 02:21:16,440 It's like, well, maybe, but maybe not, you know, like maybe 2663 02:21:16,440 --> 02:21:19,520 there's just something that that doesn't, isn't quite as clear as 2664 02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:23,080 you're saying it or isn't simple or doesn't require us to pay 2665 02:21:23,080 --> 02:21:25,280 thousands of dollars to learn your system, you know? 2666 02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:29,320 Well, I was going through Franz Bosch's book running, and he 2667 02:21:29,320 --> 02:21:33,440 talks about it's about the options that the system has, and 2668 02:21:34,320 --> 02:21:37,360 if you can't perceive your options because you've never 2669 02:21:37,360 --> 02:21:40,960 explored them, then you don't even know they're available. 2670 02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:44,640 So this is the whole thing called McKenna Reception, right? 2671 02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:47,600 So like, if you don't explore your mechanoreceptors or you 2672 02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:51,520 don't expand a capsule, which is your primary mechanoreceptor, 2673 02:21:52,440 --> 02:21:55,400 well, of course you're going to move that way because you have 2674 02:21:55,400 --> 02:21:58,360 no other option. It's like, you know, hot dogs 2675 02:21:58,360 --> 02:22:01,560 and hamburgers. That's all that exists until you 2676 02:22:01,560 --> 02:22:03,560 bring in the steak or the shrimp. 2677 02:22:04,040 --> 02:22:09,280 And you know, like, I, again, I appreciate it because it's, it's 2678 02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:14,840 giving maybe people who don't have as much of a background in 2679 02:22:14,840 --> 02:22:19,760 it a, an opportunity to have an impact. 2680 02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:25,360 But I also think it's just as easy to buy $100 textbook, you 2681 02:22:25,360 --> 02:22:30,480 know, anything that's Keith David's, you know, like and, and 2682 02:22:30,480 --> 02:22:33,640 like honestly, I, I'm a firm believer if you go deeper with 2683 02:22:33,640 --> 02:22:37,040 Franz Bosch, he talks a lot about movement diversity and 2684 02:22:37,040 --> 02:22:39,960 variability as long as you maintain the four bar system. 2685 02:22:40,200 --> 02:22:42,520 Again, I'm not necessarily agreeing with all their bio 2686 02:22:42,520 --> 02:22:46,360 mechanics, but the fact they're still talking about exploration 2687 02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:49,480 and they compare the differences between these javelin throwers 2688 02:22:49,480 --> 02:22:52,840 and it's like both these guys are extremely successful, but 2689 02:22:53,720 --> 02:22:57,040 are they getting stable? Are they removing slack? 2690 02:22:57,080 --> 02:23:01,240 And it might look different, but if they both have a high level 2691 02:23:01,240 --> 02:23:05,520 of functionality to the true word of function, like you're 2692 02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:09,840 actually successful in what you're doing, then why is it 2693 02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:12,760 matter? You know, like, and I think this 2694 02:23:12,760 --> 02:23:16,280 is where creating environments like what you were talking 2695 02:23:16,280 --> 02:23:18,400 about, Kyle's like perceiving the environments because they 2696 02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:21,200 have, they create a perception of affordance. 2697 02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:25,960 It's, you know, like if, if I'm trying to take the same way, I 2698 02:23:25,960 --> 02:23:28,040 hit an inside pitch, same way I hit an outside pitch. 2699 02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:34,800 Well, I need to learn my abilities to do hit the outside 2700 02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:37,480 pitch different ways because they're they're going to come in 2701 02:23:37,480 --> 02:23:39,920 at different angles, they're coming at different speeds. 2702 02:23:40,280 --> 02:23:44,080 You know, like this is this is what I I This is why I'm so fond 2703 02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:47,760 of things like eco D because it's literally like explore the 2704 02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:54,400 gambit of things and figure out what works that person and can 2705 02:23:54,400 --> 02:23:57,880 you apply context to it? Because if you can, then you 2706 02:23:57,880 --> 02:24:01,200 know, it's more, it's going to be truer and more authentic in 2707 02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:04,520 nature. So again, it's, it's not to talk 2708 02:24:04,520 --> 02:24:07,240 bad because you know those, those people, you know, I 2709 02:24:07,240 --> 02:24:09,120 respect them for putting together something. 2710 02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:11,880 I mean, I I haven't. It's not easy and I'm think from 2711 02:24:11,880 --> 02:24:14,240 my understanding, they did a bunch of research like it. 2712 02:24:14,480 --> 02:24:17,880 And so this is where I sit on is like, look, if you can help 2713 02:24:17,880 --> 02:24:20,640 athletes, right, because the the the creator of a system may 2714 02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:23,520 understand going back to like you can only articulate a small 2715 02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:25,200 percentage of what you actually know. 2716 02:24:26,120 --> 02:24:28,760 How this how this person actually works with athletes, 2717 02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:30,320 man, they could get great results. 2718 02:24:30,320 --> 02:24:33,640 Like I took Eldoa. I don't know if you've done 2719 02:24:34,040 --> 02:24:37,600 right, I'm sure. Yeah, guy right. 2720 02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:40,640 That dude could probably like, I mean, he was working with like 2721 02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:42,880 Houston St. and or whatever, right? 2722 02:24:42,880 --> 02:24:46,360 And like, you know, and he was like, you know, finding all 2723 02:24:46,360 --> 02:24:47,960 these different things because he understood, right? 2724 02:24:47,960 --> 02:24:51,000 That dude knew anatomy inside and out from like dissections 2725 02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:52,880 and this and that. So he understood the connections 2726 02:24:52,880 --> 02:24:55,320 and like he was saying, OK, this and that, like, and so you're 2727 02:24:55,320 --> 02:24:57,720 like, all right, right. But like me taking Aldoa 2728 02:24:57,720 --> 02:25:01,320 courses, like I can't redo like I, I'm not guy, right? 2729 02:25:01,320 --> 02:25:02,960 I don't have that wealth of experience. 2730 02:25:03,320 --> 02:25:07,440 And so in the same way that I like there's the the the biggest 2731 02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:09,480 challenge, right? Overall with all these sort of 2732 02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:10,960 things, right? As I've even thought about it 2733 02:25:10,960 --> 02:25:14,800 with like, OK, how do I like I want to get eco D out there and 2734 02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:17,960 I want like, like even, you know, I know this is the the 2735 02:25:17,960 --> 02:25:20,320 same desire that emergence has in Sean and Tyler. 2736 02:25:21,040 --> 02:25:24,240 How do we keep the quality high? Not just like put out stuff. 2737 02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:28,560 So like a bunch of people know stuff and then how they utilize 2738 02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:33,040 it kind of is a, a bastardization of, of these 2739 02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:36,320 things, you know, like so that it, it muddies the waters. 2740 02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:38,800 Like how do we transmit things at a high level? 2741 02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:42,080 There's no replacing, in my opinion, the, the 2742 02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:44,800 apprenticeships. Like there's there like in some 2743 02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:48,360 ways like that experience, like it, it, it is the, it is the 2744 02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:50,440 main way. Obviously there's people like 2745 02:25:50,440 --> 02:25:52,920 Kyle, like yourself, right? Like, I mean, you've done a, a 2746 02:25:52,920 --> 02:25:55,720 pseudo kind of like distance. Like there's, there's, there's 2747 02:25:55,720 --> 02:25:57,680 this distance interaction that's consistent. 2748 02:25:58,160 --> 02:26:00,920 But like, I mean, you're jumping in, you're interacting with it, 2749 02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:03,240 but you're having this mechanism where somebody's checking you 2750 02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:06,040 and pulling you back towards like it holding you to like 2751 02:26:06,040 --> 02:26:07,240 this. These are what the principles 2752 02:26:07,240 --> 02:26:09,560 are, and for most of us, we don't have that, you know what I 2753 02:26:09,560 --> 02:26:11,400 mean? Except in these like, you know, 2754 02:26:11,400 --> 02:26:16,240 I do a I'm Aga, I'm a, you know, an assistant coach and whoever 2755 02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:19,280 I'm underneath is the one that's mentoring me, you know, But 2756 02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:23,240 like, aside from those things, like I, I think it's really hard 2757 02:26:23,240 --> 02:26:26,720 to, to really achieve the level of those guys that create those 2758 02:26:26,720 --> 02:26:29,720 systems. You know, in some ways, like 2759 02:26:29,720 --> 02:26:33,200 'cause like, I mean, you know, obviously Mike is ran phone is 2760 02:26:33,200 --> 02:26:34,720 different, right? You know, all the guys that 2761 02:26:34,720 --> 02:26:38,240 like, but they went really deep down the rabbit hole like Dewey 2762 02:26:38,240 --> 02:26:42,720 and Hunter and whatever, but Hunter also like he was, he had 2763 02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:45,400 crazy mobility before he even started doing FRC. 2764 02:26:45,680 --> 02:26:48,000 But you know what I mean? Like those guys, they're they're 2765 02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:49,480 at a different level, you know what I mean? 2766 02:26:49,480 --> 02:26:51,720 And it takes time to get there. Like you really, really got to 2767 02:26:51,720 --> 02:26:54,360 be persistent. And I think a lot of us just 2768 02:26:54,360 --> 02:26:56,840 don't have, you know, we're not at that level. 2769 02:26:56,840 --> 02:27:00,720 So I think there's I just, I just wonder, you know, like, so 2770 02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:02,840 that's, that's me giving them grace, I guess you could say is 2771 02:27:02,840 --> 02:27:05,600 like, you know, the guys that that are the remain guys, like, 2772 02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:06,920 yeah, maybe they are, they do great. 2773 02:27:06,920 --> 02:27:10,320 But I don't the the application that I see from a lot of people 2774 02:27:10,320 --> 02:27:13,960 who come from that just leaves me feeling like, man, there's, 2775 02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:16,320 there's a bunch left on it. There's something missing here. 2776 02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:17,840 You know, there's some. I also. 2777 02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:20,440 Feel like what I'm seeing from the fruit of it so. 2778 02:27:20,440 --> 02:27:21,840 To speak, yeah. I also feel like some of the 2779 02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:25,840 ambassadors, they tried to get think on social media to talk 2780 02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:28,800 about it. It's like, you know, they don't 2781 02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:34,440 know much about the the human Organism because most baseball 2782 02:27:34,440 --> 02:27:38,200 guys don't. And and then it's like, OK, 2783 02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:42,080 well, you get around guys that really are deep in the rabbit 2784 02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:44,960 holes and like, you know, I've taken almost every course 2785 02:27:44,960 --> 02:27:51,560 PRIFRCDNS, at least the ones that I I can take, you know, 2786 02:27:51,560 --> 02:27:54,840 every RPR, you know, like it's because it's like there's this 2787 02:27:54,840 --> 02:27:58,080 curiosity, but not every coach is curious that way. 2788 02:27:58,720 --> 02:28:03,640 And I think what it it ultimately needs to become 2789 02:28:04,160 --> 02:28:12,200 distilled down to is can we, you know, how do I say it? 2790 02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:14,520 I always say hide the pill in the pudding. 2791 02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:18,320 It's like, can we get the most pertinent information into 2792 02:28:19,120 --> 02:28:22,200 something that is easily digestible? 2793 02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:26,160 It's like like if you talk to someone about like, OK, well, 2794 02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:30,080 you want your like for pitchers, you want more lay back, here's 2795 02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:32,200 some checkpoints. Can you spinal extend? 2796 02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:36,400 Can you, can you actually actively externally rotate your 2797 02:28:36,400 --> 02:28:37,480 arm? Well, those are your 2798 02:28:37,480 --> 02:28:41,280 biomechanical checkpoints. And then you start putting them 2799 02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:42,760 in positions. And I think this is where 2800 02:28:42,760 --> 02:28:47,440 driveline's done a really good job of coming up with variations 2801 02:28:47,440 --> 02:28:52,360 of throwing that check them and say, hey, look, well, you're not 2802 02:28:52,360 --> 02:28:55,800 getting to this point and you're throwing and we're exposing it 2803 02:28:55,800 --> 02:28:59,040 through like, you know, people holding balls like this and now 2804 02:28:59,040 --> 02:29:01,760 they have to get in position better or you use CLA. 2805 02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:06,440 And I think what ends up, I think what needs to be tested is 2806 02:29:06,440 --> 02:29:09,960 because I don't think we're ever going to get people to get fully 2807 02:29:09,960 --> 02:29:12,760 the, the full understanding or maybe to the level that we're 2808 02:29:12,760 --> 02:29:15,080 trying to get at in terms with our knowledge because we're 2809 02:29:15,080 --> 02:29:22,320 curious is can we validate these things through good testing, 2810 02:29:22,320 --> 02:29:26,120 like without bias. So like I my doctoral 2811 02:29:26,120 --> 02:29:30,840 dissertation was on OK, I tested the PRI principle of activate 2812 02:29:30,840 --> 02:29:33,880 isometrically activating hamstring, because what their 2813 02:29:33,880 --> 02:29:37,320 claim is, is that it gets you into better stance position. 2814 02:29:37,760 --> 02:29:41,200 Well, they're right. And you know, the, the effect 2815 02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:44,440 size was small. That's because it was a, a, an 2816 02:29:44,440 --> 02:29:49,720 acute intervention. But if it has statistical 2817 02:29:49,720 --> 02:29:52,720 significance, even as a small effect size, we still need to 2818 02:29:52,720 --> 02:29:56,520 test it for a chronic intervention and see what is 2819 02:29:56,760 --> 02:30:00,360 like, how does it do when there's actual motor learning 2820 02:30:00,360 --> 02:30:06,000 involved and that and coupled with maybe, you know, a surface 2821 02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:09,200 challenge that teaches someone to effectively get to their 2822 02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:12,760 front leg. So I think it's like combining 2823 02:30:12,760 --> 02:30:17,120 bio mechanics, CLA and the principles of eco D and be able 2824 02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:21,360 to have some measures that say, hey, look, yeah, like for some 2825 02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:25,240 people this moves the needle. And you know, the issue is 2826 02:30:25,240 --> 02:30:27,760 always going to be the bell curve because there's always 2827 02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:31,120 going to be some even like in textbooks or even in classes, 2828 02:30:31,320 --> 02:30:34,000 there's going to be the exceptions to the rules. 2829 02:30:34,400 --> 02:30:37,760 And I think most systems won't admit. 2830 02:30:38,920 --> 02:30:43,120 This is another thing I like about FRC is he's like, well, if 2831 02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:45,960 you have a real impingement, there's nothing we can do about 2832 02:30:45,960 --> 02:30:49,000 it. Like, like probably got to get 2833 02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:50,520 surgery if I want that range of motion back. 2834 02:30:50,880 --> 02:30:53,360 Now we can work with it, we can prevent pain, but it doesn't 2835 02:30:53,360 --> 02:30:56,040 mean you're going to be able to move the way that you want to 2836 02:30:56,040 --> 02:30:58,840 move. And you know, I, I think 2837 02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:02,360 addressing that, and this is this is where I think the best 2838 02:31:02,360 --> 02:31:04,280 studies have really good discussions on their 2839 02:31:04,280 --> 02:31:07,880 limitations. And whereas most people will 2840 02:31:07,880 --> 02:31:12,240 pick through abstracts, I mean, you're trying to write a quick 2841 02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:15,320 article, Sure, sure. But like for me, I'm going to go 2842 02:31:15,320 --> 02:31:17,760 look at the references. I'm going to go look at the 2843 02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:20,120 limitations to the studies because now I understand the 2844 02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:24,040 population of whom we're working with and it's going to give me 2845 02:31:24,040 --> 02:31:26,120 better insights. So if I like, oh, well, this 2846 02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:30,080 articles on middle schoolers, Well, I'm training, you know, 2847 02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:33,120 it's a female middle schoolers. Why I'm training, you know, 2848 02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:36,200 minor league, minor League Baseball players who are male. 2849 02:31:36,840 --> 02:31:40,800 There's a skill and age level difference and, and gender 2850 02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:45,480 difference that could have impacts on the variability. 2851 02:31:45,480 --> 02:31:50,080 And, and also, like, I think in a lot of articles, especially 2852 02:31:50,080 --> 02:31:52,080 when you're doing independent research, you can't control 2853 02:31:52,080 --> 02:31:55,080 confounding variables like people working out before you 2854 02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:58,000 test them. I mean, they did that with me, 2855 02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:01,880 the Mariners or like they, you know, they, they had me do a 2856 02:32:01,880 --> 02:32:04,760 step up test right after I caught bullpens. 2857 02:32:04,960 --> 02:32:07,960 You think I, you think I, you think I passed that step test 2858 02:32:08,760 --> 02:32:11,480 And then I had to come in at six O clock every morning for a week 2859 02:32:11,480 --> 02:32:15,000 because I was out of shape or was I fatigued because I was out 2860 02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:17,840 in the Arizona heat catching 6 bullpens. 2861 02:32:18,640 --> 02:32:22,600 And like this is, I think this is the issue and I think most 2862 02:32:22,600 --> 02:32:26,760 organizations won't say that there is a limitation to what is 2863 02:32:26,760 --> 02:32:29,600 possible based off of populations. 2864 02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:31,680 There might be disclaimers. It's like, well, if you have 2865 02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:33,000 injury, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 2866 02:32:33,000 --> 02:32:39,680 But like I think what's it's as someone who creates a product 2867 02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:42,280 you want to make there, everyone's trying to make sure 2868 02:32:42,280 --> 02:32:46,360 that some, everyone can use it. And like there's other 2869 02:32:46,360 --> 02:32:49,560 constraints I won't talk about. But just like you, Gary, you 2870 02:32:49,560 --> 02:32:51,440 probably know the one I'm talking about. 2871 02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:57,040 I always talk about the move, the move, the move, the scissor. 2872 02:32:57,320 --> 02:32:58,640 Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. 2873 02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:02,480 But it hurts my feelings. Sure, I get it. 2874 02:33:02,480 --> 02:33:04,440 I mean, there's lots of stuff. But here's what I will say on 2875 02:33:04,440 --> 02:33:07,720 like the whole thing that I said before of like the ideal. 2876 02:33:08,400 --> 02:33:12,280 But I do feel like the stuff that emergence and other people, 2877 02:33:12,280 --> 02:33:15,880 you know, Rob Gray and the constraints collective and 2878 02:33:15,880 --> 02:33:19,080 etcetera or whatever, you know, and you know, whether it's Baker 2879 02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:23,320 or yourself, Kyle and and same thing Tommy, like enough of 2880 02:33:23,320 --> 02:33:25,680 these ideas are out there and I can already tell that they're 2881 02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:29,160 influencing people and people don't even need to do it perfect 2882 02:33:29,400 --> 02:33:31,520 to get the benefit, you know what I mean? 2883 02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:35,200 And so like that's where it's the the landscape has changed 2884 02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:38,680 enough that people can appreciate what we're doing, you 2885 02:33:38,680 --> 02:33:41,840 know, and, and for me, I think that's just like something 2886 02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:44,360 that's really helpful because then I go into a space, I get 2887 02:33:44,360 --> 02:33:47,920 less resistance and we can start working a lot quicker. 2888 02:33:48,280 --> 02:33:51,720 And so, you know, I don't, I don't think it's realistic to 2889 02:33:51,720 --> 02:33:54,240 expect everybody to, you know, that you're going to really be 2890 02:33:54,240 --> 02:33:56,080 able to keep high fidelity forever. 2891 02:33:56,080 --> 02:34:01,360 That's not, but it's more about like, are your, because this was 2892 02:34:01,360 --> 02:34:03,400 my experience comparing facilities. 2893 02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:05,600 There was a difference between interns, between certain 2894 02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:10,640 facilities, what one set could really articulate lots of 2895 02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:13,160 different ideas and you could like go on a lot of different 2896 02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:15,320 directions. And they were also trained to be 2897 02:34:15,320 --> 02:34:18,560 able to handle a lot of, you know, how to, how to handle 2898 02:34:19,480 --> 02:34:21,920 awkward situations. And the other group, when I had 2899 02:34:21,920 --> 02:34:25,200 conversations with them, man, they could only tell you about 2900 02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:26,320 the program that they're running. 2901 02:34:26,480 --> 02:34:28,880 Anything that was outside of that, they could not explain it. 2902 02:34:29,000 --> 02:34:31,800 And I actually think they're a bunch of bright, bright guys. 2903 02:34:31,800 --> 02:34:34,320 But because of the fact that they only ever ran their 2904 02:34:34,320 --> 02:34:37,920 program, they kind of got dumb because of that. 2905 02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:41,160 And so like, that's my excuse for, for why I think I got what 2906 02:34:41,160 --> 02:34:43,280 I got because I, when I interacted with him, it was at 2907 02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:47,360 the end of their internship. And so that's what I'm going to 2908 02:34:47,360 --> 02:34:49,360 say for that. But like, I, I noticed that with 2909 02:34:49,360 --> 02:34:52,040 like, I'm always leery of the not founder guy. 2910 02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:54,560 You know what I mean? Who's, who's teaching a course 2911 02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:56,600 or whatever. You're like, man, you are just 2912 02:34:56,600 --> 02:34:58,720 the, the guy who drank all the kool-aid. 2913 02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:01,720 And I don't know that when I, you start poking that guy that 2914 02:35:01,720 --> 02:35:04,280 he can actually give you a true answer because he only knows the 2915 02:35:04,280 --> 02:35:05,600 answers that he's been given. They're just. 2916 02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:08,480 Regurgitating, right? And. 2917 02:35:08,520 --> 02:35:11,360 We and we don't know what constraints were surrounding 2918 02:35:11,360 --> 02:35:14,240 that guy as to why they drank that kool-aid at set. 2919 02:35:14,240 --> 02:35:17,880 I mean, there's lots of lots of coaches who are the spokesperson 2920 02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:20,320 for a certain thing. And then you go look at their 2921 02:35:20,320 --> 02:35:22,920 team and like they're terrible. They don't hit, they don't 2922 02:35:22,920 --> 02:35:26,160 pitch, they don't do the thing that the things they're supposed 2923 02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:29,320 to do or they were really good before. 2924 02:35:29,520 --> 02:35:32,960 You know, like there was one company who posted, hey, the X 2925 02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:36,120 amount of softball teams in the World Series this year uses our 2926 02:35:36,120 --> 02:35:38,080 system. And I and I went and just looked 2927 02:35:38,080 --> 02:35:42,400 up at like a few of them and like there's like 75 or 80% of 2928 02:35:42,400 --> 02:35:45,360 the teams in the World Series had been there like every year 2929 02:35:45,480 --> 02:35:48,480 before. It's like, well, I don't think 2930 02:35:48,480 --> 02:35:50,640 it's your system, dude. Like, I think they're just 2931 02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:52,280 trying to stay on the edge, you know? 2932 02:35:52,520 --> 02:35:56,240 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more with that. 2933 02:35:56,320 --> 02:35:59,840 I do. I do think that you, I think the 2934 02:35:59,840 --> 02:36:03,880 data validation is important and, and I know Rob's talked 2935 02:36:03,880 --> 02:36:06,200 about that a lot like how can we continue to show that these 2936 02:36:06,200 --> 02:36:08,000 ideas are good? And I think there's an, there's 2937 02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:11,160 an important subset subset of the population without that'll 2938 02:36:11,160 --> 02:36:15,960 be important for I think the two things that that give me more 2939 02:36:15,960 --> 02:36:19,240 and more confidence of the ecological framework certainly 2940 02:36:19,240 --> 02:36:22,800 are whatever the old idea was, you know, information 2941 02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:25,600 processing, mental models, whatever that was when we 2942 02:36:25,600 --> 02:36:28,720 compare them in studies, you know, the ecological approach, 2943 02:36:28,720 --> 02:36:31,320 differential learning constraint, let approach, it 2944 02:36:31,320 --> 02:36:34,760 outperforms in every single time, every single time, every 2945 02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:37,600 single time. And, and, and so, so that gives 2946 02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:40,080 me confidence in that way. The other thing I'll say that I 2947 02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:43,200 think really resonated with me, Tommy, is when you, you said, 2948 02:36:43,200 --> 02:36:46,880 well, we're going to have to hit balls that are inside versus 2949 02:36:46,880 --> 02:36:50,440 outside differently. I think those types of practical 2950 02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:55,960 examples are really, really key to connect with the greater 2951 02:36:55,960 --> 02:36:57,480 population about why this is useful. 2952 02:36:57,480 --> 02:36:59,720 But then you said something, you went a step further and I love 2953 02:36:59,720 --> 02:37:02,480 this. You said, and we might and not 2954 02:37:02,480 --> 02:37:05,520 my, we will have to figure out how to hit that ball that's away 2955 02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:09,000 in different ways. And, and I think the thing that 2956 02:37:09,000 --> 02:37:11,280 I love about the ecological framework is when you have a 2957 02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:14,680 system and they tell you this is a certain way to do it and this 2958 02:37:14,680 --> 02:37:17,680 is how to get the output. It will end at some point, 2959 02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:19,800 right? Like you will master the system, 2960 02:37:19,800 --> 02:37:22,240 you will move in the correct way that they tell you to and 2961 02:37:22,240 --> 02:37:26,440 there'll be nowhere else to go and you will fail and there will 2962 02:37:26,440 --> 02:37:30,200 be no answer for that system. Whereas the ecological framework 2963 02:37:30,280 --> 02:37:33,200 does exactly what you said. Tell me it says what can I can I 2964 02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:35,280 hit the outside pitch in different ways? 2965 02:37:35,280 --> 02:37:37,560 That will never end. It will never end for my 2966 02:37:37,560 --> 02:37:41,160 pitchers to explore new and novel ways to make pitches move 2967 02:37:41,160 --> 02:37:42,880 to get guys out in new and unique ways. 2968 02:37:43,000 --> 02:37:45,520 That will never end. Our pitch design will never end 2969 02:37:45,520 --> 02:37:47,880 because we can always think about different ways to tinker 2970 02:37:48,120 --> 02:37:51,600 with pitches in order to get guys out in different ways based 2971 02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:53,960 on what's being presented to them. 2972 02:37:54,160 --> 02:37:56,680 And that's that's something that I think is really powerful about 2973 02:37:56,680 --> 02:37:59,800 the ecological framework. Yeah, I want, I, I think, I 2974 02:37:59,800 --> 02:38:01,800 think, and that's part of the reason why I think pitching's 2975 02:38:01,800 --> 02:38:06,360 ahead, like so far ahead right now is that they're trying to 2976 02:38:06,360 --> 02:38:09,480 come up with more problems because they know that hitters 2977 02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:12,360 are not coming up with solutions to the problems. 2978 02:38:12,360 --> 02:38:16,280 Because if something doesn't so like we're, so we're trying to 2979 02:38:16,280 --> 02:38:19,600 hit an outside pitch by staying inside of it, it will work until 2980 02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:22,160 it doesn't. But then when it doesn't work, 2981 02:38:22,280 --> 02:38:24,720 they fall back to the biomechanical model and try to 2982 02:38:24,960 --> 02:38:26,720 completely overhaul their movement. 2983 02:38:27,000 --> 02:38:31,040 And it's like, well, you, you, you have to perceive to act. 2984 02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:35,640 And if you can't, if you don't, if you don't perceive something 2985 02:38:35,640 --> 02:38:37,200 as an affordance, well, you need that. 2986 02:38:37,520 --> 02:38:42,320 You need to focus on that. Go through the pain of trying to 2987 02:38:42,320 --> 02:38:46,400 figure out what works for you or just you know, the the 2988 02:38:46,400 --> 02:38:51,080 collection of of experience to to to let your body, you know, 2989 02:38:51,080 --> 02:38:54,640 self organize is is hugely important. 2990 02:38:54,640 --> 02:39:00,200 But somebody, so many people want the answer and the answer 2991 02:39:00,200 --> 02:39:03,440 like in, you know, these, you look in religion, you look in 2992 02:39:03,440 --> 02:39:07,280 like whatever they always say, the answer lives within you. 2993 02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:09,240 Everything is, comes from within. 2994 02:39:09,240 --> 02:39:14,080 And if, if I'm slowly taking someone else's words and saying, 2995 02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:18,880 hey, look, you need to try to hit this ball the other way and 2996 02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:23,440 then I can't do it, then I suck versus like, hey, look, I'm just 2997 02:39:23,440 --> 02:39:25,320 going to explore and see what works. 2998 02:39:25,840 --> 02:39:31,120 And if it works, you know, I'm trying to challenge it more and 2999 02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:33,160 see if it still works. And if not, I'd come up with 3000 02:39:33,160 --> 02:39:37,760 another solution or solution, right, or just another way to 3001 02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:39,720 get the job done. I think that's what it comes 3002 02:39:39,720 --> 02:39:44,040 down to is not worrying about perfection, but worrying more 3003 02:39:44,040 --> 02:39:48,440 about performance. You know, like top, like in we 3004 02:39:48,440 --> 02:39:50,000 were talking about top spun singles. 3005 02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:52,840 But guess what? Chris Bryant was a pretty good 3006 02:39:52,840 --> 02:39:56,480 hitter and he if he would have stayed healthy, he'd probably be 3007 02:39:56,480 --> 02:39:59,320 a Hall of Famer. You know, the guy would hit top 3008 02:39:59,320 --> 02:40:02,280 spun singles all day. And to like what Mark Spencer 3009 02:40:02,280 --> 02:40:05,040 says is if you top spin a ball to the outfield, no one's 3010 02:40:05,040 --> 02:40:07,560 catching it. It's falling into. 3011 02:40:07,560 --> 02:40:09,480 The gap and you hit it hard enough, that thing's going to 3012 02:40:09,480 --> 02:40:11,920 split the gap. Oh yeah, Or you do it to the 3013 02:40:11,920 --> 02:40:13,840 corner, right. Like this is because I was 3014 02:40:13,840 --> 02:40:16,800 thinking about this with like our our best hitter top spins a 3015 02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:19,240 ton of balls and he keeps talking about, oh, I need to 3016 02:40:19,240 --> 02:40:20,440 stop doing it. No, no, no, no, dude. 3017 02:40:20,440 --> 02:40:22,560 Like stop. Like please don't change a 3018 02:40:22,560 --> 02:40:24,880 thing. Like I don't think it will 3019 02:40:24,880 --> 02:40:28,200 change partially because his swing path kind of is what 3020 02:40:28,200 --> 02:40:31,400 creates the top spin anyways. But The thing is, is like what I 3021 02:40:31,400 --> 02:40:35,160 noticed is like, OK, if you top spin it over the third baseman 3022 02:40:35,160 --> 02:40:38,560 to the corner, think about it. If you backspun it and you 3023 02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:40,520 backspin it enough, it balloons up there. 3024 02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:45,360 And it'll slip also, sure. Well, I mean, because like The 3025 02:40:45,360 --> 02:40:48,280 thing is, is like you start thinking about it like most of 3026 02:40:48,280 --> 02:40:50,520 the balls that are caught going towards because like that 3027 02:40:50,520 --> 02:40:53,640 affordance is starting to decay because guys are starting to get 3028 02:40:53,640 --> 02:40:56,680 moved more towards the lines now be like on both sides. 3029 02:40:56,880 --> 02:41:00,000 And so like those opportunities for double S are somewhat 3030 02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:02,760 shrinking for us a little bit. But if you top spin it, it's 3031 02:41:02,760 --> 02:41:04,640 getting down. So at least it's a signal 3032 02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:06,360 single. But if you if you hit it hard 3033 02:41:06,360 --> 02:41:09,760 enough, like this kid does right, you can potentially then 3034 02:41:09,960 --> 02:41:13,520 shoot that thing to the wall. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding 3035 02:41:13,520 --> 02:41:15,680 how the top spin's gonna affect when it lands. 3036 02:41:15,960 --> 02:41:18,880 It'll make it roll better. I mean, because it's, it's 3037 02:41:18,880 --> 02:41:21,840 already going in that direction. So like, but The thing is, is 3038 02:41:21,840 --> 02:41:25,120 when when push comes to shove, if you're hitting the ball hard 3039 02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:27,520 and you're hit it to the outfield, don't change a thing. 3040 02:41:27,960 --> 02:41:30,720 Because there, there are, there are slumps and there are 3041 02:41:30,720 --> 02:41:33,880 statistical slumps. And I think that's where a lot 3042 02:41:33,880 --> 02:41:36,960 of people are trying to manufacture their success versus 3043 02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:42,800 surrender to the nature of the game and really analyze like, 3044 02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:46,560 OK, I'm hitting the ball hard into the outfield, but it's 3045 02:41:46,560 --> 02:41:49,480 getting caught. It's just a matter of time. 3046 02:41:50,160 --> 02:41:51,400 And yeah. But what about? 3047 02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:54,200 Here's my question to that. Yeah, because I, I mean, because 3048 02:41:54,200 --> 02:41:56,400 where I'm going, and this is what Eco Diaz opened my eyes to 3049 02:41:56,400 --> 02:42:00,280 is like, I I don't think we can exactly place where we want 3050 02:42:00,280 --> 02:42:02,600 another field. But like, let's just be real. 3051 02:42:02,600 --> 02:42:05,840 There are tractor states, right? If you're freaking mashing the 3052 02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:10,040 ball hard and your launch angle happens to clump right and your 3053 02:42:10,040 --> 02:42:12,640 ball characteristics happen to clump where the ball just going 3054 02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:16,160 to where the left fielder is, Maybe you got to just work a 3055 02:42:16,160 --> 02:42:19,320 little bit of like not actually hitting it to that location 3056 02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:21,840 right, Like I just think there's there's something about you can. 3057 02:42:21,960 --> 02:42:24,600 Shift the field a little bit. Yeah, I mean, like, cuz to me, 3058 02:42:24,600 --> 02:42:28,480 this is the thing of like what frustrates me more and this is 3059 02:42:28,480 --> 02:42:30,480 not trying to call you out. It's just more just like I I'm 3060 02:42:30,480 --> 02:42:32,960 thinking about like, cuz going back to like people who say 3061 02:42:32,960 --> 02:42:34,600 like, oh, just trust the process. 3062 02:42:35,000 --> 02:42:36,400 Oh, you're doing well, just keep doing it. 3063 02:42:36,400 --> 02:42:40,680 And it's like, but you're hitting, you know, like under 3064 02:42:40,680 --> 02:42:42,680 the Mendoza line, like you're about to get cut. 3065 02:42:42,680 --> 02:42:45,120 Oh yeah, it'll just, I mean, yeah, OK, some of it's true. 3066 02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:47,600 Like, you know, Kirilov, Alex Kirilov right there saying that 3067 02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:49,600 for a while. But I mean, at a certain point 3068 02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:53,120 it's just like, or if you make an adjustment because like, for 3069 02:42:53,120 --> 02:42:56,920 example, I'll use this kid because he was he was not that 3070 02:42:56,920 --> 02:43:00,440 strong, not that great. Whatever his his Max power was 3071 02:43:00,440 --> 02:43:02,640 literally to the to where the outfielder is playing. 3072 02:43:03,160 --> 02:43:06,880 So his first AB hits a really nice backside line drive to the 3073 02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:10,680 left fielder out. He comes up and I'm hoping it's 3074 02:43:10,680 --> 02:43:13,800 because of the conversation in the in the environment of what 3075 02:43:13,800 --> 02:43:17,560 I've told guys, he comes up next time, does the same exact thing, 3076 02:43:17,560 --> 02:43:20,760 but just takes a little bit off down for a signal single. 3077 02:43:20,760 --> 02:43:23,640 He's on base, right. And like that was a big catalyst 3078 02:43:23,640 --> 02:43:26,320 to starting that inning to allowing us to have a great 3079 02:43:26,320 --> 02:43:28,480 game. And so like for me, that's where 3080 02:43:28,480 --> 02:43:33,680 it's like I'm not so married to that whole like man, it's all 3081 02:43:33,680 --> 02:43:36,000 about exit Vilo and all about the no like the game. 3082 02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:39,400 What it's telling me is like you are rewarded when the ball gets 3083 02:43:39,400 --> 02:43:44,040 down and A and a fielder does not catch it and or cannot get 3084 02:43:44,040 --> 02:43:45,640 to it to throw you out at a base. 3085 02:43:45,920 --> 02:43:49,360 And so I'm like, so tennis starts to become a little bit 3086 02:43:49,360 --> 02:43:53,240 more like of a thing of like, sorry, Kyle on this. 3087 02:43:53,280 --> 02:43:56,200 I was trying to land the plane. But I do want to throw this in 3088 02:43:56,200 --> 02:43:57,840 here. If if you can, if you can handle 3089 02:43:57,840 --> 02:44:02,640 it, if it's OK Ichiro versus like, you know, Ryan Howard or 3090 02:44:02,720 --> 02:44:06,520 or a Jose Bautista or, you know, whatever you pick anybody, you 3091 02:44:06,520 --> 02:44:09,280 know, basically to contrast against like what's your take on 3092 02:44:09,280 --> 02:44:12,080 that, that whole thing? Because I feel like that's, you 3093 02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:14,440 know, yes, there's the things that you talked about, like they 3094 02:44:14,440 --> 02:44:17,040 literally told Ichiro to like not hit home runs. 3095 02:44:17,280 --> 02:44:21,120 But at the same point, Ichiro has also said he also had a ton 3096 02:44:21,120 --> 02:44:25,680 of fun trying to get get hits other ways than just juicing it 3097 02:44:25,680 --> 02:44:27,560 out of the park, even though he could do that. 3098 02:44:27,680 --> 02:44:31,160 So I guess what's your take on like that mentality? 3099 02:44:31,280 --> 02:44:34,480 Because if you if you take that mentality and add juice it out 3100 02:44:34,480 --> 02:44:38,120 of the park, like all of a sudden you got to really, really 3101 02:44:38,800 --> 02:44:41,080 fascinating player that's kind of, you know, somewhat 3102 02:44:41,080 --> 02:44:43,040 equivalent to like an errand judge right now. 3103 02:44:43,320 --> 02:44:45,760 So I'm just kind of curious like your, your thoughts on like 3104 02:44:45,760 --> 02:44:49,000 those comparison type things of like the batting average debate 3105 02:44:49,000 --> 02:44:53,280 and whatever. Is that for me? 3106 02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:55,400 Yeah, yeah, Tommy, OK. Yeah, yeah. 3107 02:44:55,400 --> 02:44:57,200 No, no. So I think it's related to what 3108 02:44:57,200 --> 02:45:00,560 they're saying of like their. Strategy their strategy here. 3109 02:45:00,560 --> 02:45:07,080 So like, like, OK, if if, if I'm constantly doing the same thing 3110 02:45:07,080 --> 02:45:10,360 over and over again and I'm there, like I said, they're 3111 02:45:10,360 --> 02:45:13,560 statistical slumps, but it doesn't mean that the game isn't 3112 02:45:13,560 --> 02:45:15,680 going to ask you to do something different. 3113 02:45:16,280 --> 02:45:18,920 Like there is something about being able to hit the ball the 3114 02:45:18,920 --> 02:45:21,360 other way on the hit and run because that's strategy. 3115 02:45:21,360 --> 02:45:23,800 Like you could get you get a guy if you get like a Ellie De La 3116 02:45:23,800 --> 02:45:25,480 Cruz, he's going first third every time. 3117 02:45:26,040 --> 02:45:28,560 And now we have a runner in scoring position, which and when 3118 02:45:28,560 --> 02:45:31,880 I coached, I try, yeah, I wanted to score as many runs as I 3119 02:45:31,880 --> 02:45:33,800 could, but I knew the probability would go up as the 3120 02:45:33,800 --> 02:45:35,760 more times they have guys on 2nd and 3rd. 3121 02:45:36,160 --> 02:45:39,680 So if I can if I can constantly get guys in scoring position, it 3122 02:45:39,680 --> 02:45:43,680 puts pressure on the pitching. And also, you know, it opens the 3123 02:45:43,680 --> 02:45:47,120 game for more strategy. And this is for me, it's like, 3124 02:45:48,320 --> 02:45:50,440 yeah, we want to have to like eggs of velocity matters like 3125 02:45:50,440 --> 02:45:53,760 they're they've they've done studies on that increases 3126 02:45:53,760 --> 02:45:56,320 Babbitt and expected expected hits. 3127 02:45:56,920 --> 02:46:00,600 But, you know, if you can only own one side of the field, 3128 02:46:00,600 --> 02:46:05,920 that's not really having really a lot of control and. 3129 02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:09,480 Also the defense, right, like the defensive, the, the, the 3130 02:46:09,480 --> 02:46:11,240 defense also has these stats, right? 3131 02:46:11,240 --> 02:46:13,720 Like they're, and this is to me where like if you want to 3132 02:46:13,720 --> 02:46:16,000 nullify the defense and what the defense is doing, do you got to 3133 02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:19,200 be able to somewhat alter, you know what I mean? 3134 02:46:19,200 --> 02:46:21,400 Like, and this is where like, yeah, I was happy every time, 3135 02:46:21,400 --> 02:46:23,560 like Joey Gallo bunted and whatnot. 3136 02:46:23,640 --> 02:46:26,440 So anyways, I say all that to to you know what I mean 'cause. 3137 02:46:26,480 --> 02:46:30,120 I'm like, yeah, he's giving. Himself a a, a a chance to he's, 3138 02:46:30,120 --> 02:46:33,120 he's shifting the defense and giving himself a chance. 3139 02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:34,680 So anyways. My point is I think. 3140 02:46:34,680 --> 02:46:35,960 We may have to land the plane here. 3141 02:46:36,280 --> 02:46:39,080 But the last thing is my point was, is you don't necessarily 3142 02:46:39,080 --> 02:46:43,000 change mechanics. What you do is you explore. 3143 02:46:43,680 --> 02:46:47,080 You explore how like it's more external queueing. 3144 02:46:47,080 --> 02:46:50,600 Hey, like, you know, like they did this with I, I still have 3145 02:46:50,600 --> 02:46:56,120 the video of Tim Kirchen and Giancaro Stan was like, yeah, I 3146 02:46:56,120 --> 02:46:59,200 always try to hit balls out and right center because if I don't 3147 02:46:59,200 --> 02:47:02,640 work on that, then I'll, I'll just start hitting every, I'll 3148 02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:06,000 start hitting home runs foul and I won't keep anything fair. 3149 02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:10,120 So like I'd really tried in batting practice to understand 3150 02:47:10,120 --> 02:47:12,440 what it's like to use that side of the field. 3151 02:47:12,440 --> 02:47:16,880 So like 100% because like when push comes to shove, you got to 3152 02:47:16,880 --> 02:47:19,080 produce. And you know, if, if you're 3153 02:47:19,440 --> 02:47:22,000 whether they're hard outs or they're soft outs, you're 3154 02:47:22,000 --> 02:47:24,600 they're still outs and you got to, you know, you're going to 3155 02:47:24,600 --> 02:47:27,920 play the hot hand. So yeah, I agree with you. 3156 02:47:28,880 --> 02:47:32,200 I'm gonna put pressure on on all of us because if you ever guys 3157 02:47:32,280 --> 02:47:34,720 guys ever listen to a podcast and they're like, man, this is 3158 02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:35,840 great. We should do it again and then 3159 02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:37,280 the guys never on the podcast again. 3160 02:47:37,280 --> 02:47:38,600 I'll. Do I'll do it. 3161 02:47:39,960 --> 02:47:42,280 I'll do it. So this is this is a highlight 3162 02:47:42,280 --> 02:47:44,400 for me man. Yeah, this is great. 3163 02:47:44,400 --> 02:47:48,680 And I appreciate your ability to be firm on certain things, but 3164 02:47:48,680 --> 02:47:51,080 also then to be open. I'm like, Oh no, no, no, like 3165 02:47:51,240 --> 02:47:53,120 let me clarify this and let me do that. 3166 02:47:53,120 --> 02:47:55,560 And and I think there's there's, you know, we got a big old list 3167 02:47:55,560 --> 02:47:57,720 of things that even that one that we touched point right 3168 02:47:57,720 --> 02:47:59,800 there that would be a great thing to dig deeper into. 3169 02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:02,400 Oh yeah, yeah, whenever you guys want, man. 3170 02:48:02,400 --> 02:48:06,720 Like, I enjoy talking baseball, but I enjoy talking about the 3171 02:48:06,720 --> 02:48:10,400 underlying aspects of humans that allow us to do the things 3172 02:48:10,400 --> 02:48:14,760 that we love to do. So and, you know, being able to 3173 02:48:14,760 --> 02:48:19,280 talk with guys that appreciate things similarly to I, what I 3174 02:48:19,280 --> 02:48:22,880 do, it's a lot of fun. So I really respect you guys. 3175 02:48:22,880 --> 02:48:26,400 And I'm, I'm, you know, I really grateful that I got this 3176 02:48:26,400 --> 02:48:31,640 opportunity, you know, and yeah, I mean, God puts us in certain 3177 02:48:31,640 --> 02:48:34,400 places and lines us up for certain conversations. 3178 02:48:34,400 --> 02:48:37,360 So man, I would love to keep the ball rolling when we got time. 3179 02:48:37,800 --> 02:48:39,200 So I really. Appreciate you all. 3180 02:48:39,600 --> 02:48:42,720 For the listeners though, if they want to connect with you or 3181 02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:45,040 just interested in following your stuff, where can they do 3182 02:48:45,040 --> 02:48:47,480 that? Oh man, that's tough these days. 3183 02:48:47,560 --> 02:48:51,520 They can always DM me because like, I don't, I'm not into the 3184 02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:55,320 rat race as much anymore. I just, I think like after 3185 02:48:55,320 --> 02:49:02,360 having kids and you know that being online and trying to 3186 02:49:02,360 --> 02:49:07,600 constantly explain myself without any sort of. 3187 02:49:08,560 --> 02:49:12,040 Context. Context or even just like being 3188 02:49:12,040 --> 02:49:15,840 able to try to fit my message to the masses rather than because 3189 02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:18,960 everyone becomes a sumptuous and what you're saying. 3190 02:49:19,480 --> 02:49:22,000 I always talk with people through DMS. 3191 02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:25,080 If anyone writes me and it's like, you know, obviously not a 3192 02:49:25,080 --> 02:49:28,680 bot, some female that's half clothed, you know, I'll, I'll, 3193 02:49:28,680 --> 02:49:33,400 I'll respond, but it's it, it's, you know, I got away from that 3194 02:49:33,400 --> 02:49:37,800 because it wasn't filling me with the right type of joy. 3195 02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:42,960 And I also had kids and, you know, like I, I, I feel like my, 3196 02:49:42,960 --> 02:49:48,640 my goal is to share information, but those who seek it and, you 3197 02:49:48,640 --> 02:49:52,560 know, not to say that I'm the authority on anything, but I am 3198 02:49:52,560 --> 02:49:54,640 curious. And if they ask a question I 3199 02:49:54,640 --> 02:49:58,000 can't answer, I'll admit that I don't have an answer, but I'll 3200 02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:00,640 get back to them because I'll, I'll want to know. 3201 02:50:01,120 --> 02:50:05,480 But if they, you know, reach out to me, I think on both of them, 3202 02:50:05,480 --> 02:50:08,880 it's prime athlete. I think 314. 3203 02:50:09,040 --> 02:50:12,040 I don't know. I don't even know my handle, but 3204 02:50:12,040 --> 02:50:13,600 yeah. I'll put it in the description. 3205 02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:15,040 All right, great. Thank you. 3206 02:50:15,160 --> 02:50:17,920 Thank you, Sir. But yeah, I know. 3207 02:50:18,200 --> 02:50:21,040 But again, I'm really grateful that you guys had me on. 3208 02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:23,640 It's a lot of fun. And you know, I've, I've had a 3209 02:50:23,640 --> 02:50:26,200 chance to, you know, look at both of your guys work 3210 02:50:26,200 --> 02:50:29,000 throughout the years. And I really respect what you 3211 02:50:29,000 --> 02:50:31,480 guys are doing and then trying to accomplish with your 3212 02:50:31,480 --> 02:50:33,240 athletes. So thank you so much. 3213 02:50:33,840 --> 02:50:35,840 Yeah, no problem. Well, hope you guys enjoyed 3214 02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:36,880 today's podcast.