1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:03,100 Welcome back to finding the edge podcast. 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:07,300 I'm Robert Fry with Garrett boehm and today we have an 3 00:00:07,300 --> 00:00:10,300 awesome podcast for you guys. We ended up recording this one 4 00:00:10,300 --> 00:00:14,500 about a month ago and I've been, super busy with school, but I'm 5 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:17,000 really excited to finally, get to share with you guys this 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,800 episode. We had a really great 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,500 conversation and I wanted to give you guys a little bit of 8 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:26,100 context before we dive in and where we discussed two articles, 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,000 one of one of which was written by myself, which was titled, And 10 00:00:30,008 --> 00:00:33,200 what is the highest form of technique, which was based off 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,600 of a quote, by Bruce Lee, where he said the highest technique is 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,700 to have no technique. My technique is the result of 13 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:43,500 your Technique. My movement is the result of 14 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:46,500 your movement. And so in it, I kind of Explore 15 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:51,300 More of the ideas behind his quote and how his quote fits 16 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:54,000 very well with motor learning ideas such as ecological 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,600 Dynamics. And so we kind of explore that 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,200 more in a general sport sense. I wrote it for All sports not 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,000 just baseball and so that's why we wanted to talk about it 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,300 today. Or I wanted to talk about it 21 00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:09,600 today with Robert and the other article that our conversation 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,200 centered around was the physics of batting practice. 23 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:18,100 Yeah, so the physics of batting practice articles written by 24 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:20,800 David Kagan and big fan of his work. 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:26,700 He is the one that came up with the physics of pitch effects 26 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:32,800 behind basically measuring from Ball release to plate and 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,100 basically creating those 3D pitch + that you may see on 28 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:41,200 baseball Savant or Brooks baseball, even where it shows 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,900 you from ball release all the way to hand, and it allowed me 30 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:46,500 to create kind of those 3D pitch visualization. 31 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:48,400 So I've done with flight scope data. 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:55,100 So also lastly, There may or may not be a SpongeBob reference for 33 00:01:55,100 --> 00:02:00,000 you, so stay tuned for that and I can't wait for you all to 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:19,700 listen to this podcast. All right. 35 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,400 Well do I want to do updates on how things have been going at? 36 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,500 A Quincy and I can give a little update on what we've been doing 37 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:33,700 here at MSU. Yeah. 38 00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:37,500 And let's let's hear MSU first. I feel like I always start the 39 00:02:37,508 --> 00:02:39,400 ball. So we're gonna we're gonna throw 40 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,500 you a change up this time. Fair enough. 41 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,000 I mean we've just been an individual work for Past couple 42 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:54,100 of weeks or since the start of school, we've gotten to hit 43 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:56,600 outside a little bit more this week, which was really nice. 44 00:02:57,500 --> 00:03:00,900 I really liked some of the stuff we were doing, and having some 45 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:07,800 external targets or external focus of attention, work. 46 00:03:08,300 --> 00:03:14,900 And having, guys, for example, do like a Sac fly around where 47 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:19,000 we had some buckets out in the Outfield, And and be like, hey, 48 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,100 hit a Fly ball, either to the bucket or beyond the bucket. 49 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:30,300 So basically, as are hitting coach would say, Sac fly likes, 50 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:36,200 or extended. So I really like that. 51 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:38,500 I thought guys, really like that. 52 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:40,700 It's always great when you're able to get out on the field and 53 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:44,600 hit to see ball flight and see where things are going. 54 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,200 And then we also had our Outfield group shaking some fly 55 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,100 balls, for one of the other hitting groups so that they 56 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:58,700 could get some live reads. So yeah, that's kind of what 57 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:03,500 we've been doing there. How about yourself Robert? 58 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:07,000 Yeah that actually sounds really cool. 59 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:12,100 I'd be interested to see kind of kind of that stuff and put some 60 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,500 good old data analysis on that. But yeah, we We've been 61 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:19,700 fortunate to be outside for hitting for most of the time 62 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:23,100 last week was a rough week because there's a lot of rain 63 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:24,600 here. So I think that three straight 64 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,900 days of being indoors and yeah, that kind of limits are our 65 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:34,500 training in some way. So, like you, you know, we had 66 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,500 like you not using the sac fly buckets per se, but we had a 67 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,600 Target mind and I show you a photo of it. 68 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:49,400 But essentially we have like, Three three plates, three kind 69 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,400 of like modified Turtles on our field. 70 00:04:52,700 --> 00:04:58,300 And each pitching machine is its own unique characteristics. 71 00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:01,000 So one of them is a right-handed break momentum. 72 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,500 So left-handed breaking ball and the center ones kind of like a 73 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:10,900 high spin fastball and each one we have like a certain plan to 74 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:17,400 it and it would vary by day and sometimes we might do A kind of 75 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,800 like a Switcheroo round where we'll just say, all right, time 76 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,400 to switch it up. And we'll say, all right, this, 77 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,200 this part of the cage, does this, this part does this, this 78 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,600 part does this, we kind of go through something like 79 00:05:32,608 --> 00:05:38,400 situational hitting or just focus, having a, you know, 80 00:05:38,407 --> 00:05:43,400 different different type of focus to our training and then 81 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,000 yeah, same thing as you guys, We'll work, it's really good 82 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,100 because we're getting a, we're getting a ton of video in and I 83 00:05:52,108 --> 00:05:56,600 mean it's it's great because you know, the biggest the biggest 84 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,800 thing for feedback for our guys especially is being able to see 85 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,600 themselves on video and understanding, okay. 86 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,500 Here's what I'm doing with with my swing and thankfully we have, 87 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:15,300 you know, we have guys that are very receptive to that and they 88 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:18,500 Be able to say, okay, you know, based on this video, this is 89 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:23,000 what I'm doing and our, and are willing to make adjustments on 90 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,600 their own without, you know, a great amount of coaching. 91 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,300 Mmm. Yeah. 92 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:32,700 One of the other things that we've been doing to is mixing in 93 00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:38,900 the stroma and drill or Cueto. And that's something that I've 94 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:43,300 really liked to help guys become more adjustable with their 95 00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:46,600 timing. And just to give you guys 96 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,500 different looks and I make things a little bit more 97 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:53,900 challenging and I think that segues nicely into some of the 98 00:06:54,100 --> 00:07:00,000 articles that we wanted to talk about one, being an old one that 99 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:07,300 I believe. one of the Driveline hitting trainers posted on the 100 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:15,600 physics of batting practice and kind of how they were talking 101 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:22,700 about implementing more pitching machines into practice, you kind 102 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:26,300 of want to touch on some of the things that you kind of pulled 103 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:31,700 out of that article. Yeah so it definitely allowed me 104 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:36,900 so since you know we at Quincy used last motion we can we get 105 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:40,100 metrics like that space so prominent kind of like a 106 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:43,500 analytical perspective that allows me to from that article 107 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:46,900 allows me to kind of think creatively in terms of, okay, 108 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:51,100 from this fishing machine that we have set at this with the bat 109 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:53,500 speed. So that this, you know, what's 110 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:57,700 what's that exit velocity on, you know, said batted ball or, 111 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:01,800 you know, we could Also, do kind of like what's that? 112 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,400 What's that time The Hitting Zone as mentioned in the article 113 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,200 to from those numbers that we do have. 114 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:12,300 So I think that that that was the biggest thing that I gleaned 115 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:16,900 from, it was being able to possibly calculate those metrics 116 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:23,400 because yeah, the radar system that we do use, it would 117 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,500 obviously wouldn't do very well when there's you know, three 118 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:29,300 balls being hit on almost sound simultaneously. 119 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:35,000 So, So we have to get creative with kind of getting metrics and 120 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,200 obtaining those yeah I know that was some of the stuff that was 121 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,700 covered in the physics of batting practice. 122 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:50,000 They were talking about how if you take that speed, have 123 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,700 somebody having the bat speed of 75 miles per hour. 124 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,300 And the pitch speed was say, for example, 60 miles an hour that 125 00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:01,400 could lead to an Exit velocity of 10 2. 126 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,100 And then if the pitching machine is ramped up at 90, that could 127 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:10,500 lead to an exit via low of 108, and then there were talking 128 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:16,900 about well, how much time is there from ball release to home? 129 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,800 And traditional BP is going to be about point, 45 seconds, 130 00:09:23,100 --> 00:09:28,000 whereas a pitching machine, 55 feet would be a point for two 131 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,800 seconds. I believe that's still the 132 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,400 pitching. Machine was throwing 90 and then 133 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,100 the traditional BP was at 40 feet, throwing 60 miles an hour 134 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:44,100 and then to what you were mentioning Robert about time in 135 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:49,100 The Hitting Zone, traditional BP was .019 seconds. 136 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,800 Whereas the pitching machine was point one, three seconds. 137 00:09:55,100 --> 00:09:56,400 And I thought it was interesting. 138 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:01,600 About how okay. Yes, the pitching machine is 139 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,800 going to be more difficult because there's going to be less 140 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:11,900 time in The Hitting Zone. Also us time to home But I think 141 00:10:11,900 --> 00:10:15,700 the other thing that makes it more difficult is that there's 142 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:20,100 no pre pitch information. So from a timing standpoint, it 143 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:29,300 becomes may be a little bit harder to time or there's a 144 00:10:29,308 --> 00:10:33,600 little bit less variability in terms of how you can vary your 145 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,100 timing mechanism. And I think that's why when you 146 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:41,500 look at the research on say, for example, Crickets Pat's batsman 147 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:46,000 Hitting off of a pitching machine versus alive batter. 148 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,700 I think they also recreated this in a Japanese study hitters tend 149 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:54,200 to have smaller moves that are different than when they had 150 00:10:54,208 --> 00:10:56,200 actually hit off of a real picture. 151 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:03,800 So I think that might account for why the increased 152 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,000 difficulty. Uh-huh. 153 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:09,200 Yeah. And so the other thing that 154 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,800 popped in my head Head was, you know, when an object is in 155 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,400 motion stays in motion. So, obviously with a BP or an 156 00:11:18,500 --> 00:11:21,700 live picture, like, you know, their arm is in motion, they're 157 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:23,900 throwing a baseball, where as you're using the pitching 158 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:28,400 machine, you flash the ball, your arm slows down, may even 159 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,900 stop, and then you feed the machine and still, there's that 160 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:34,400 time. Where, you know, technically 161 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,000 there may be that small amount of time where nothing, maybe in 162 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,600 motion. So, yeah, it's A big thing for 163 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:47,000 timing in terms of that because again, when we as baseball 164 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,100 players want to, you know, understand timing or swing, a 165 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:54,300 baseball bat, it's more or less based off the motion of the 166 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:56,800 picture. Whereas, you know, in Pigeon 167 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,000 with the pigeon machine, you may not get a full object in motion 168 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,800 sequence. Yeah. 169 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:07,400 And the other thing too, that, I think that we talked a little 170 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:13,800 bit about with Kyle Lindley. Was the gays behavior isn't 171 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,100 similar either? And I know that Kyle has talked 172 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:22,100 about this on Twitter as well. The fact that the eyes will 173 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:25,700 start on the body and then they'll make a cicada or they'll 174 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:29,000 shift from the body to release Point. 175 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,600 Whereas, if we're just using a pitching machine, there is no 176 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:38,300 incentive for a hitter to shift their eyes from one spot to 177 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:41,500 another to pick up the ball. They're just going to park their 178 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:46,500 gaze right on the pitching machine, where the ball comes 179 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:53,600 out. And I think, that's where if 180 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:57,300 it's about having an athlete trying to connect to the 181 00:12:57,300 --> 00:13:02,800 information within the problem and then being able to pick up 182 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,200 on Like what that information tells them about how the ball is 183 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,500 going to move. So for example, today, we were 184 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:18,100 using our spindle machine and it was really erratic and one of 185 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:22,400 the players made a comment about like just how uncomfortable and 186 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,400 hard, it was and just how it's just different from. 187 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:32,200 A like a game setting and I think kind of what he was 188 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,400 getting at too. Is that you know unintentionally 189 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,700 was the fact that when you're actually facing a live picture, 190 00:13:41,100 --> 00:13:44,400 you kind of get a little bit of information as far as did he 191 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,000 yank that ball you know and have a little bit of a heads-up that 192 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,800 the ball might actually run in on you because the ball out of 193 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,400 this pinball machine was on both sides of the plate and it wasn't 194 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,100 really Consistent, but we'll get into that in my opinion. 195 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:04,900 I thought that was a more realistic look but given that 196 00:14:04,900 --> 00:14:09,200 it's a pitching machine and the hand just goes up and it puts it 197 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,400 down. There's no other information to 198 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,100 give you any small indication of a, this ball might be going 199 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:20,800 inside or this ball might be going outside up or down. 200 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:25,700 And so I think that's one of the other limitations of using a 201 00:14:25,708 --> 00:14:28,200 pitching machine. Is that the athlete doesn't 202 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:33,900 become better at picking up that pre pitch movement, and how it 203 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:37,200 how it can affect the pitch flight and the pitch location. 204 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,400 Yeah. And another thing that we also 205 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,700 use. So, with our pitching machines, 206 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:46,600 we have timing shoots. And what essentially they are, 207 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,900 is basically like this elongated pipe, where you'll feed the ball 208 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:52,600 into this pipe, and it kind of rolls. 209 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:57,400 So, the reason why that we use that is again, it, cut it kind 210 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,300 of simulates a ball, a ball in motion or in this case, a 211 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,700 picture in motion. So, that's a big thing that, 212 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:05,800 that we used to kind of simulate that. 213 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,400 Because, again, you like, Hard to say, hey, don't use a 214 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,400 pitching machine because of, you know, the benefits of it to a 215 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,300 coaching staff to you know players like to get wraps now 216 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,900 but again as you mentioned you know, connecting to the 217 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:27,800 information. Are we really getting the proper 218 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,000 reps that we should be getting is what we should be asking in 219 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,700 this scenario, right? And that's that's one of the 220 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:37,700 things too. When I was reading this article, 221 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:42,500 A previous one came to mind that was written in the New York 222 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:49,500 Times last year. And it was really interesting, 223 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:52,600 the last line of the article because it was talking about. 224 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:59,900 The article name was a novel idea in a Majors. 225 00:15:59,900 --> 00:16:07,700 How Using batting practice to get better and part of what they 226 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:09,800 talked about was using pitching machines. 227 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,500 But the last line of the article I think is the best from Yankees 228 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:19,900 outfielder, Mike Hockman. You're going to have to correct 229 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:25,300 me Robert on this expression, it Stockman Okay, Yankees 230 00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:31,700 outfielder, Mike tockman and to kind of quote this a little bit, 231 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,000 he he used to pinch it quite a bit and he really wanted to make 232 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:43,200 sure that his eyes were ready for game speed and and he would 233 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,800 he would use the pitching machine and crank it up and and 234 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,900 use that to try to get his eyes used to that. 235 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:50,900 And I think there's some benefit to that for sure. 236 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,200 You know. But he said, there's really no 237 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,100 substitute for a human standing 6 feet or sorry. 238 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,300 There's really no substitute for human standing 60 feet, 6 inches 239 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:08,400 away, and throwing as hard as they can at you. 240 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:13,000 And, and I think he's right on that, like a pitching machine 241 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:19,800 can't simulate the emotion. And another person has, and I 242 00:17:19,808 --> 00:17:23,400 think this ties into an article that I put together for 243 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,700 emergence and the Bruce Equal that I kind of centered the 244 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:34,900 article around, which was the highest technique is to have no 245 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:37,400 technique. My technique is the result of 246 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,700 your Technique. My movement is a result of your 247 00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:49,200 movement and what we're talking about. what tockman I pronounce 248 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:55,500 that, right tockman was saying is There's no substitute for a 249 00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:59,600 human trying to throw as hard as they can from 60 feet 6 inches 250 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,000 away. I mean you know you hear all 251 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,100 these pictures like grunting and all this sort of stuff and 252 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:09,500 there's like a motion, you know, like we you know you're facing 253 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:11,900 Max Scherzer. You know, the amount of emotion 254 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:16,600 that's coming from him. Like that's going to shape your 255 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,300 movement response. I mean, we can see how Hitting 256 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:23,400 off a pitching machine and the anxiety that creates in our 257 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,000 players is going to shape how they move. 258 00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:31,600 Similarly, a person's emotion and their intent and being able 259 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,500 to read that intent is going to shape how an athlete is going to 260 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:40,200 move. And we want in my mind. 261 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:46,400 You want to also have athletes be able to interact with that 262 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,600 and learn how to coordinate their movement in response to 263 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,500 that. Yes. 264 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:59,400 And so the way I kind of look at it is you kind of think think to 265 00:18:59,408 --> 00:19:03,200 yourself this way. So in terms of, you know, as you 266 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,800 mention Bruce Lee, with the great quote of the best 267 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,600 technique is to have no technique. 268 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,800 Mmm, I feel like we should be able to stress this, not only 269 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,900 to, you know, people in baseball but just life in general where 270 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:24,500 You know, you can't really we in the baseball world. 271 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:27,900 And you mentioned this in your article, we are so kind of 272 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:32,400 focused in on mastering, you know, this Mastery of gotta have 273 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,100 the perfect mechanics. We got to have this, you know, 274 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:39,300 the perfect swing with the perfect mechanics but we have to 275 00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:44,300 understand that really that there is not a perfect way of 276 00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:48,600 doing things. The more now the more reps you 277 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,400 do, have something it helps but that should mean. 278 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,100 Okay, I'm working to Perfection, we have this perfect thing. 279 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,900 It's just I'm getting better at not being as terrible as kind of 280 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:07,400 a way I'm putting in. Well, I think we also want to 281 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,900 Think of it in terms of each time we approach a problem. 282 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,500 We're in a different state of being, right? 283 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:19,800 So because we're a complex adaptive system and we're 284 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,400 Dynamic and our system is very Dynamic. 285 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:26,500 Every time we approach a problem, we're going to be in a 286 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:31,400 slightly different state. And so, therefore, the way that 287 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,600 we're going to go about solving that problem isn't going to 288 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,000 necessarily be the same, and there might be some slight. 289 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,500 Deviation in the problem. And so really it's more about. 290 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:48,900 Are we getting better at solving problems and I think to 291 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:53,200 sometimes we can actually do things perfectly like when we 292 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,900 think about some of the amazing feats of athleticism that we've 293 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:04,300 seen athletes perform during competition, those are like 294 00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:12,900 perfectly executed plays. and basically, the way that I see it 295 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:17,800 now from ecological perspective, is everything came together in 296 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,200 that moment for them to execute and like things just kind of 297 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,800 fell into place I know Brian pazos talked about this a little 298 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,600 bit in terms of you know, when he would play, you know, getting 299 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,100 his eyes underneath the ball when he was building a grounder 300 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:37,800 and then picking up the eyes of The first baseman and it just 301 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,400 seemed like the ball would just naturally be online and end up 302 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,100 right there. And for me, I have the examples 303 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,000 of there were times where if I got when I would get it would 304 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,200 get feeds at second base to turn a double play. 305 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,300 It's almost just like the ball and my body, just put itself in 306 00:21:54,308 --> 00:21:57,100 the right position to make that play. 307 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:04,700 And so in a way when you become Attuned to the information in 308 00:22:04,708 --> 00:22:08,600 the problem and your body begins to couple itself to to that 309 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,300 information. It essentially puts itself in 310 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,800 the right position to execute the play in. 311 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:21,300 You can actually achieve that Perfection, so to speak for a 312 00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:25,800 moment, but it becomes the question of how do you repeat 313 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,500 that? And it's not so much about 314 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:32,100 burning it into muscle memory as it is about to use a quote from 315 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:36,900 Bernstein it becomes about the process of solving the problem 316 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:42,700 again and again. Correct. 317 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:47,500 Yeah, and that's that's essentially what I was working 318 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:51,400 towards alluding to was, you know, you get better at problem. 319 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,700 Solving doesn't mean you are, you know, the best at it. 320 00:22:54,700 --> 00:23:00,200 But if you are challenged with that problem, you know you're in 321 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:06,100 a better scenario than say the previous time you faced that 322 00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:10,400 similar problem. Yeah, there are some times where 323 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,200 you're going to just absolutely Well, it and other times it's 324 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,100 just going to be good enough, you know? 325 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:17,100 And that's all right. Exactly. 326 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:21,600 So there's there's this, there's this threshold again like as, as 327 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,200 you kind of mention. Like, we're so obsessed with 328 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,600 having these great mechanics. But sometimes, you know, certain 329 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,600 certain movements may work in that scenario, certain movements 330 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,200 may not work in various scenarios. 331 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,200 It's all about kind of Determining. 332 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,400 Okay. Well, you know what? 333 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,300 What information do I have right now? 334 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,500 And how can I best proceed with the information that is 335 00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:55,100 presented to me? Right, like, how can I find a 336 00:23:55,108 --> 00:24:00,300 way to get it done? You know, a lot of pitching 337 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,300 coaches and pitchers have talked about how do you, how do you 338 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:07,800 pitch on days where you don't have the best stuff, right? 339 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,100 Where your body just isn't highly attuned and calibrated 340 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:15,500 kind of like we talked about last week and it happens to be 341 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,500 slightly uncalibrated in a little unate UND. 342 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:22,800 How do you how do you take it? Take your body when you're 343 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,500 you're in. Music Dynamics are not at their 344 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:32,500 peak level and still find a way to get your body Rhea, tuned and 345 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:35,800 calibrated to something that doesn't feel Supernatural to 346 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,200 you, and still find a way to solve that problem. 347 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,400 And that's, that's where I think. 348 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:49,400 When we lean too heavily on executing perfect mechanics. 349 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,000 And I know we talked about this last week when we're talking 350 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:58,300 about Keith David's, is talk about the swimmers or the divers 351 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:00,800 rather and then hitting the diving board. 352 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:06,300 You know, if if we focus too heavily on perfect Technique, we 353 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:16,200 met hamstring guy's ability to solve problems because Simon 354 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:23,100 sinek, give this great Ted Talk and use this example of if you 355 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:27,000 have a goal from if you're given the goal of having to get from 356 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,500 one side of the room to the other. 357 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,200 And if you just tell somebody, hey, I just want you to get from 358 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,600 one side of the room to the other. 359 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,700 No problem. But if you put the constraint on 360 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:37,900 them, of what you have to do it, perfect. 361 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:40,700 Meaning, in this case, you have to walk a straight line. 362 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,000 Well, if you start walking, and then someone slides, an object 363 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,300 in front of you, what are you going to do? 364 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:51,400 Stop because you're not really sure how to solve that problem 365 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,500 because you've been commanded, you have to go in a straight 366 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:57,100 line but Simon said it goes on to say, but if I just told you 367 00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,900 you had to go from point A to point B, I slide a chair in 368 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:01,500 front of you or something like that. 369 00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:02,800 You're just going to go around it. 370 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,600 No big deal. And so, To me, that's analogous 371 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,800 to putting the constraint of you have to be perfect in your 372 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,700 Technique has to be perfect. It just over constraints the 373 00:26:15,708 --> 00:26:21,100 system and it doesn't it actually trains out of them, 374 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,000 their ability to problem-solve, Right. 375 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:32,700 And so this is a perfect lead-in to my good old scenario that 376 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:36,200 we're presenting. Here is from the great show. 377 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,100 SpongeBob SquarePants, can't believe I'm talking about 378 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,300 SpongeBob on a podcast but here we go. 379 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:50,600 It's the episode where SpongeBob and Patrick blow bubbles and 380 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:57,000 they give lessons Okay. Squidward, tries to blow 381 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,200 bubbles, he can't. So he gets lessons from 382 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,600 SpongeBob and Sponge, Bob Gibson, this whole hullabaloo of 383 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,800 information and he's like, you have to use the technique and so 384 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,500 the technique goes as follows spin around twice. 385 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:16,800 Stop doubletake three times. One, two, three, and then it 386 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,900 goes to like a pelvic thrust and then a bunch of random movements 387 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,600 and then you blow a perfect. but again, this is kind of, you 388 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,800 know, putting in that process where it's so much focused on. 389 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,500 You have have these perfect movements, these specific set of 390 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:37,600 movements to create this perfect technique to blow that bubble. 391 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:41,800 Whereas the one-time Squidward did blow a bubble. 392 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,600 All he did was just scream into the bubble blower and little 393 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,800 bubble. Right? 394 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,400 The moral of the story of this is, you don't necessarily need 395 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:59,400 to have the perfect technique to do the job, and your Technique 396 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,300 is not necessarily going to be the same as somebody else's 397 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:05,800 technique. Correct, because it's bodies are 398 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,400 different for everybody. And to, because our bodies 399 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,100 change like day-to-day, our technique could be slightly 400 00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:15,000 different. And we need to, I think we need 401 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,600 to train athletes, to figure out, how to work around some of 402 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,000 their limitations. I mean, that's the best athletes 403 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:28,000 are that are the ones that, you know, when they get dinged up a 404 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,700 little bit, they're still able to go out and perform at a high 405 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:33,900 level. I mean, it's said quite often 406 00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:37,600 the best athletes are the best compensators and that's not to 407 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:43,600 say that we don't want to help athletes be more efficient, and 408 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:49,400 learn how to be more efficient with their moves and to move in 409 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:58,400 ways that are going to be less injury-prone, but it does mean 410 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:03,200 that if we do train, the tissues in the body to be able to 411 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:09,700 express both strength stability, Mobility, And speed, and Power, 412 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:15,000 in various positions, we should allow the body to be able to. 413 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,000 Not always have to put load through the same tissues and 414 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,500 joints all the time in the same way. 415 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:29,700 And I actually think that that makes a more robust athlete And 416 00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:35,600 so that's why for me, I look at it as an athlete that has more 417 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:42,200 movement options is an athlete that is also less injury-prone. 418 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:47,300 So I think that's where I know some coaches. 419 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:50,500 The whole reason that they're really, it's really important to 420 00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,800 them. That guy's really strive to do 421 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,000 things. The most biomechanically optimal 422 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:02,600 way is because in their mind, it's all about. and, I get that 423 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,600 and I think there's there's some Credence to that but I also 424 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,800 think that athletes should not only train that but should also 425 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,400 trained to be able to work on the edges of that as well, and 426 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,500 to be strong there and to be capable there. 427 00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,400 So that when they find themselves in that position in a 428 00:30:22,408 --> 00:30:25,200 game, they also their body is prepared and ready to handle 429 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,100 that. Correct. 430 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:33,400 And that brings me to an example that I've felt within the that I 431 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:40,200 played with a guy who, Was a Purdue commit as a pitcher. 432 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:46,800 He was you know, low low 80s high or low high 80s, low 90s 433 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:57,100 his senior year but he was so over Coach that He there. 434 00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:01,400 The focus was okay, you're only going to pitch every five days, 435 00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:05,800 Etc, you have to, you know, and every pitch he would through on, 436 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:12,300 you know, side days. It was very, very examined in 437 00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:17,200 the sense that You know, if he doesn't, if he didn't do the 438 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,900 specific movement than yet, you have to do that pitch again, to 439 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:26,800 get that specific movement and like you mentioned being more 440 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,600 flexible in movement types. Allows for Less injury. 441 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,200 Well, guess what this, this guy, the same guy had a lot of 442 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,900 injury-prone. This to him. 443 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:44,900 You had arm problems, he had like problems and you know it 444 00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:50,100 was it was a tough situation but thankfully it was able to make 445 00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:56,500 it as a as a bat but Again, it just leads to this scenario of 446 00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:01,200 like you don't have to have one way of solving that problem. 447 00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:05,700 And we of course we talked about it last week where it's, you 448 00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:07,500 know, where we were talking about, okay? 449 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,400 How many ways can you get the answer? 450 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,100 5 of 2, plus 3 m? Or no of 4 plus 1 etcetera? 451 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:26,200 Yeah, absolutely. Trying to think what other 452 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,000 things that we want might want to talk to talk about on this. 453 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,300 I think. Oh, the other thing that came up 454 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:36,900 in the New York Times article that I thought was really good. 455 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,000 And this Harkens back to our conversation with Rob gray was 456 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,700 Jeff Albert's in the New York Times. 457 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:53,600 Article talks about how you know, if we are succeeding. you 458 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,800 know, in batting practice like if we hit every single ball, You 459 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,600 know, how how game like is that, like, how many times in a game? 460 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:11,800 Do we actually hit every ball that we swing at, you know, and 461 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,600 then also to like how many strikes do we see in a game? 462 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,000 Versus how many strikes do we throw in batting practice? 463 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:27,700 And, you know, usually coaches are and players to are really 464 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,500 annoyed when The coach isn't throwing all cookies to them in 465 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,400 in practice, but when you actually think about it and the 466 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:43,600 article mentions pitcher is usually 50 to 60% strikes in a 467 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,100 game. So, you know, one of the things 468 00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:52,200 that is big today is decision-making. 469 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:57,000 Well in some regards. You know how often our players 470 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,100 actually really having to have to perceive where the ball is 471 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:07,400 relative to their ability, to hit it and ball and strike. 472 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,699 And so that's where you know I get it when it comes to a 473 00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,800 machine standpoint that it can pump more strikes and be more 474 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,100 consistent. But is that really what we 475 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:25,800 actually want to expose our hitters to You know, if we want 476 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,500 to make it more game-like, then maybe we need to have a more 477 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:32,699 realistic, all strike percentage and practice. 478 00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:38,000 Yeah. And so do we really want those 479 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,300 guys that are up there throwing darts, in the strike zone, or do 480 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:48,100 we want someone who is, I want to say radek, but at least 481 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:53,400 understands not every pitch that I should throw should be a 482 00:34:53,400 --> 00:35:00,900 strike. well into I pulled this from I believe the sport cortex 483 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:06,500 book, I might have gotten the words backwards on that but you 484 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:09,500 know when it comes to coordinating your movement and 485 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:13,800 being more accurate You're more accurate when you get when 486 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,100 you're allowed to move and have things flow from one thing to 487 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:21,200 the next. So, essentially, this is why I 488 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,300 believe that for the most part hitter should have a little bit 489 00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,400 more movement in flow to their swing. 490 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,600 Instead of having like everything be like, really short 491 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,800 and quick is it doesn't allow for guys to have more Rhythm and 492 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,300 timing in their swing and it's harder for them to coordinate 493 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,300 their Are different degrees of freedom because you know, like 494 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:49,100 you were talking about before Robert of like an object in 495 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:51,700 motion likes to stay in motion and an object at rest, likes to 496 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,000 stay at rest. I mean, that's that's kind of 497 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,800 the same principle that's that's going on here. 498 00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:01,900 And so, yeah, this comes out of the performance cortex book and 499 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:10,800 I think when we allow hitters to, you know, with for just 500 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,900 grooving, fastball after fastball on the strike zone, you 501 00:36:13,908 --> 00:36:16,200 know, right down the middle guys. 502 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,500 Just get in a rhythm and it's just really easy for them but it 503 00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:21,900 doesn't work like that in the game. 504 00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:26,900 Like you don't get to, you know, take five swings in a row on 505 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:33,100 fastballs down the middle. I mean very rarely you might get 506 00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:39,600 to In a row, but five in a row, you know, with without any 507 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,500 context of account. I mean that's that's where I 508 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:48,200 think having for me. I think it is more beneficial to 509 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,700 have a live arm and to be okay with the live arm trying to hit 510 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:58,600 spots and missing spots every now and then and creating a 511 00:36:58,607 --> 00:37:03,000 scenario where a hitter has to deal with broken. 512 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:09,800 A little bit and having to learn how to essentially, you know, 513 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,600 deal with that sort of pressure and to be able to be calm and to 514 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,800 collect themselves into focus and to be ready to hit that 515 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,000 pitch. I mean, because that's what we 516 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,500 want to see. Is our guys to be ready for the 517 00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:24,600 fastball, for example, you know, why is it that guys, on the 518 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,300 first pitch end up taking the best pitch of the at-bat? 519 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:35,100 It's because they're not trained to Come in and square a ball up 520 00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,700 on the first swing there, they've been training. 521 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:43,600 If you're just grooving it all the time to you know get get 522 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,600 things synced up on Pitch three or four or five of your BP 523 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:53,000 round. And so that's why to me, I think 524 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,600 it's super, I think coaches should be more okay, with their 525 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:04,900 BP, throwers quote unquote. Actually, being a little bit 526 00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,900 more around the zone and not always being in the zone. 527 00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:13,500 Right. And so that leads into the 528 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,200 precision versus accuracy argument. 529 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,700 Do you want to be precise with you want to be accurate? 530 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:22,800 And in this case you more or less want to be accurate, you 531 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,000 don't want to start the same spot at the same time. 532 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,900 We're not this is not a game of darts, where you throw the dart 533 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:33,800 at the same spot. Throw hit the bullseye. 534 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,700 So I think it's better in this scenario to be accurate because 535 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:43,500 again You're not in the game like environment. 536 00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:48,300 You're not going to get the same pitch in the same spot, multiple 537 00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:55,700 times in a single at-bat, maybe even in in a game as well. 538 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:03,800 So I think it's better to have those baby throwers, move around 539 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,500 the Zone a bit and even out of the zone. 540 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,500 And it shouldn't be a scenario of, you know, the headers being 541 00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:16,200 flustered because they BP throwers out of the Zone where 542 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,200 oh I can't hit that. Well that's good. 543 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:24,300 You shouldn't hit that because it is out of the zone. yeah, and 544 00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:29,700 one of the other things that the New York Times article batting 545 00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:35,500 practice kind of talks about, in terms of, I think, what Jeff 546 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,800 Albert's was trying to get his players to understand is that, 547 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,200 you know, Practice should be more challenging and I think a 548 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,300 lot of kids because of this idea of perfect practice makes 549 00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:52,600 permanent. You know, we're perfect. 550 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:59,100 And this chasing the ideal of the more we execute it right in 551 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:04,200 practice under and in some ways making it easier for them to do 552 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,100 that. Leads to it showing up more on 553 00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:09,200 game time. And more often than not. 554 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:15,000 We don't see that occurring. Really, it becomes more about 555 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,600 the kids egos feeling good. And it does about trying to 556 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:22,700 teach the athlete to be a competitor. 557 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:27,100 I think coaches, love athletes that are hungry for a challenge 558 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:30,900 and our competitors. But the question is, is does 559 00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:36,400 their practice environment actually Foster. that type of 560 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:42,000 athlete like are we bringing up athletes in an environment that 561 00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:51,400 encourages, that type of Behavior, or does it more 562 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,300 reinforce that the environment needs to be perfect? 563 00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,500 And I need to have lots of success in order to feel good 564 00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:03,600 about myself rather than trying to challenge yourself. 565 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,500 And I know we, when we were talking with Rob gray, we I made 566 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:15,000 the mention of Like if you think about skateboarders, they may 567 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,500 they fail all the time and trying to learn new tricks. 568 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:25,400 And why wouldn't Why shouldn't our hitters have that same 569 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,100 mentality of wanting to hit more difficult, pitches and trying to 570 00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:36,400 solve different problems with their bat and seeing things more 571 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,800 as a challenge? When it comes to hitting like I 572 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,700 think if we can find create an environment that Fosters that 573 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:50,300 mindset and that mentality, I think that for me, personally, 574 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,900 that that's the ideal environment and those are the 575 00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:58,300 type of players you want. And I also think that that's 576 00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:03,000 back that falls back on us as coaches as to whether or not we 577 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,400 have been creating environments that Foster that type of 578 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,900 Mentality. Correct. 579 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:16,000 And so this brings up to a point that Caleb Abney has made in the 580 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,800 past where, you know, we want to have kind of that variability 581 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,400 training in terms of, you know, just being around those own 582 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,900 being in different parts of the zone for BP. 583 00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:35,200 So that allows then each individual player to better 584 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,900 understand a, how to solve more problems and Maybe maybe, 585 00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:44,000 there's maybe there's a spot outside of the strike zone where 586 00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:46,500 their body just moves really well. 587 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,300 And, you know, it has a good connection to the information. 588 00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:56,300 with a certain pitch type, but in a given, you know, training 589 00:42:56,300 --> 00:43:00,300 environment, where you're just getting either machines or BP in 590 00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:04,300 the same spot, you wouldn't know that unless you use that 591 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:10,000 variability training, Right? And that's where I think from a 592 00:43:10,008 --> 00:43:13,800 game setting standpoint and collecting data, you know, maybe 593 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:19,400 having a A player or coach sitting in the stands. 594 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:25,600 Charting at a ball location. Might help reveal that a little 595 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,400 bit more because I think it's really hard in the cage to tell 596 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,200 whether or not that would have been a successful at bat like 597 00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:40,300 some home runs and doubles our balls that are hit off the top 598 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:44,200 of the cage like relatively early in the cage. 599 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,600 So relatively close to the hitter, But to kind of jump back 600 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,700 to what I was saying earlier about creating and fostering an 601 00:43:54,700 --> 00:44:00,000 environment that has more of a competitive mindset or challenge 602 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,000 acceptance mindset. I think that's how we help, 603 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,000 athletes better deal with failure. 604 00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:12,800 We have to I think in order to create training environments 605 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,100 that where they're going to fail more, we also have to prepare 606 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:22,000 them for that because I think Currently the environments that 607 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,100 athletes are most used to. Right now are ones where they 608 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:30,100 are expected to succeed a lot, right? 609 00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:36,900 Like coaches, talk about and preach consistency and I think 610 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,400 that's where The pressure for them to be more, consistent 611 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,700 means that they are apprehensive about failing. 612 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,800 And so if we want guys to view hard things as challenging then 613 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:56,300 we have to Help them understand the value of failure, and that's 614 00:44:56,300 --> 00:45:01,600 part of learning and shifting their view on how they view that 615 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,300 experience. Correct. 616 00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:07,600 And so that leads me to the thing that I use. 617 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:14,500 It's not for not hitting, but one day in practice, I was 618 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,900 running a reaction drill for third, baseman. 619 00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:20,500 And for those that don't know, essentially the third baseman 620 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,100 has his face, he turns backwards and has his face towards the 621 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,000 Outfield. And when I say, go he turns 622 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,000 around, you know, just figures out where the balls at and goes 623 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,800 to get it. But what I did, This scenario 624 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,900 was in the past they were ask them. 625 00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:39,800 Hey, you know, how does this work? 626 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:44,900 You just say ready, go? You feed the ball machine and it 627 00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:48,700 to him but then I added variability by either doing a 628 00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:52,000 quick ready. Go or ready, long, pause, go 629 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:57,800 ready, go, you know all these different types and there were 630 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,300 like this was challenging but it was so much fun. 631 00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:07,000 They're like this is a Super fun thing and like they were, they 632 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,400 were struggling with some ground balls, but they were like 633 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,000 honestly like, that's, that's how it should go. 634 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,900 Because again, you're not gonna when we talk about the fact that 635 00:46:16,908 --> 00:46:20,800 you're not going to get a great read on every bad ball, I'm in 636 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,300 defensive side. So why not mess with timing in 637 00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:29,400 this sense? Stealing a ground ball that 638 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,900 helps them in the future because again, you're not going to be 639 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,300 completely attune to the information defensively either. 640 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,800 You're not going to be you know your body's not going to move 641 00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:47,600 the same every day you step out on the field and feel the ground 642 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,500 ball. So being able to have a variable 643 00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:55,000 amount of information or a variable training, environment 644 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,800 allows that Adaptability say, okay, well now I can solve more 645 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:06,200 problems, right. And I think that, you know, our 646 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,500 goal is to help athletes become two, more become more attuned, 647 00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:13,600 to the information and to become more sensitive, to the relevant 648 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,700 information in the environment. And so, that's why, I think it's 649 00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:20,700 super important to try to provide as much game like 650 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:24,900 information within the problem that they're needing to solve so 651 00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:29,300 that they can become more. Or or so that they can become 652 00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:36,000 better able or better at picking up that information and better 653 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,900 at being able to utilize that information given any state that 654 00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,500 their system is currently in. You know, the example that 655 00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,200 you're using though about guys having fun. 656 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,500 And we've talked about this many times on the podcast before is 657 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:54,900 if you're creating competition and creating an athlete that has 658 00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:58,400 a mindset of wanting a Challenge, you know, the example 659 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,300 that you gave of, you know, got you giving them a challenging 660 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,500 drill and guys actually liking it, you know, like they're 661 00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:08,500 wanting to get back in there and hey, give me another one, you 662 00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:12,700 know, like they're having fun and, and because the season is 663 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:17,200 can be quite long and a bit of a grind, it needs to their needs 664 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,700 to be fun like, you want. We want to keep guys passion for 665 00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:27,500 the game, strong. And I having having Our mindset 666 00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:35,300 change and shift to more of a competitive Challenger type of a 667 00:48:35,308 --> 00:48:40,300 mindset. I think just keeps it, keeps it 668 00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:44,700 more interesting and actually helps them grow way more in 669 00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:49,200 terms of skill acquisition, right? 670 00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:53,700 And yeah that's glad you brought that up to in terms of you know, 671 00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:57,500 wanting to take another because yeah for each Each time these 672 00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:00,900 guys, you know, mr. Ground ball, or maybe misread a 673 00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:03,700 ground ball like please give me another, I want another. 674 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,100 And so obviously for that second time around I would give them a 675 00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:10,200 different read. So instead of, you know, let's 676 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,400 say the first time I was just like ready, pause for one psycho 677 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:19,900 I would say ready pause for 4 seconds ago and, you know, based 678 00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:22,400 on the drill. As soon as I say, go, they turn 679 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,400 around and so the ball could be 100 feet away. 680 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,500 The Could be 50 feet away that ball could be 30 feet away when 681 00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:34,200 they turn around. So it's a good environment to 682 00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:39,100 allow these guys that one get better to understand that. 683 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:45,200 There are a lot of different quote-unquote, scenarios to say 684 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:51,200 a problem and three that you don't have to solve that problem 685 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,600 the same way with another problem, or you don't have to 686 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,700 solve that same individual problem. 687 00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:03,100 One way. Totally, are you bouncing 688 00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:08,400 something in the background? I was not 0 because there was 689 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,100 like dumping, it might have been more. 690 00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:13,800 Your Might Have Been Me rocking my chair. 691 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,200 Okay. Because you were, you were 692 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,900 Spitting Fire. And then there is, there's like 693 00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:21,100 bumping in the background. Yeah. 694 00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:24,200 That might have been me hitting the chair to the wall. 695 00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:29,100 Fair enough. Well, do you if you want to give 696 00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:31,200 it another, go on that. We can. 697 00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:39,200 Can try to edit that back. Otherwise I mean I can try to 698 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,300 give it another go, but I don't think it'll be the same as what 699 00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:45,400 I just said, course. Yeah, no, I mean the right. 700 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,600 And that's like context, you know, is I'll try not to be as 701 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,600 excited about it. No, I mean, but that's the 702 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,100 thing, right? Passion is awesome like, you 703 00:50:56,100 --> 00:51:00,300 know. Anyways, so to kind of wrap up 704 00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:11,500 here. again, like I think the takeaway here is that we want 705 00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:16,600 guys to explore their movements, to become problem solvers. 706 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:23,900 And so in practice, they should be exploring the landscape of 707 00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:27,900 the problem or surfing the bandwidth of the problem and 708 00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:31,100 discovering the edges of their ability and trying new things. 709 00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:35,400 And that It's okay to fail. Like, how, how many different 710 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,600 ways can they solve this problem? 711 00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:43,500 And, you know, in a way about like, trying to challenge 712 00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:49,600 themselves and creating that, that sort of a mindset I think 713 00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:53,500 would be the thing that I would want people to kind of walk away 714 00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:56,500 from this conversation with, but yourself Robert. 715 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:03,500 Yeah, I'm with you on that and being able to Guess I understand 716 00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:07,400 that, you know, one, it's okay to fail, but also at the same 717 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,600 time, fail better. I, I can't remember who said 718 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,500 that before, but fail better. And what I essentially mean by 719 00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:18,200 that is allow yourself to be like, okay, I'm failing, but I'm 720 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,100 also learning while I'm doing it because, yeah, and my personal 721 00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:25,600 experience. Anytime I, you know, let's say 722 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,200 when I'm writing code and it's incorrect. 723 00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:34,400 That helps me, learn better that I've obviously failure is in my 724 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:40,000 case, a great learner or great creator of a learning 725 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,900 environment. It's a great teacher. 726 00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:45,900 Yeah, there we go. I could not think of the word 727 00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:51,000 teacher and I don't know why not happens but yeah totally like 728 00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:57,800 and I think that's where we have to remind people that failure is 729 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,600 part of the learning process. You know, since we're getting 730 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:06,100 close to my son's bedtime, you know, nobody gets mad when you 731 00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:08,900 know a little kid falls down trying to learn to walk. 732 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:13,300 You know, it's learning. That is the process of learning, 733 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,000 you know, ever since we were little we're going to make 734 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,500 mistakes or, you know, in the process of acquiring something 735 00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:27,300 new and a new skill. Were you're going to fail and so 736 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,400 remembering that that's part of the process and to use a 737 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:39,900 Napoleon Hill quote, you know the seeds of success are are 738 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:43,300 found in Failure, so to speak a kind of butchered that quote, 739 00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:47,700 but Yeah, I mean that's that's what I think guys need to 740 00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:51,800 remember, is that the seeds of their successor are from or 741 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,100 found in moments of failure? So, you know, anyways, guys, if 742 00:53:57,100 --> 00:54:01,500 you liked this episode and want to reach out to us, feel free to 743 00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:05,300 hit us up on social media, Twitter, you can contact me at 744 00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:10,900 gbo. I, um, 01 on Twitter and people 745 00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:16,600 can find Robert Fry where On Twitter at Robert, try 40 and 746 00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:19,100 not going to forget it. This time I have a YouTube 747 00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:21,600 channel as well. Yeah. 748 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,700 So you guys should definitely hit up and follow Robert on 749 00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:30,200 YouTube as well and if you want to see any of the kind of the 750 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,200 resources that we some of the resources that we've talked 751 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,800 about here on the podcast, we also have a Discord server that 752 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,400 has some talks and different articles in it as well. 753 00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,800 You guys You should definitely check that out as well. 754 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,200 It's called the baseball coaches Clubhouse. 755 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,400 Find it on Discord. So appreciate you guys, 756 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,000 listening till next time.