1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,200 Welcome back to Finding the Edge Podcast. 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,520 I'm Garrett Boyam, joined with Robert Frey. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,000 And today we have on two wonderful guests and two former 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,080 guests of the podcast and Chad Longworth and Bill Miller. 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,320 And we today talk about especially what it is in 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,520 ecological dynamics, you know, how the role of a coach and we 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,960 talk a lot about or what this conversation stemmed from, was a 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,120 tweet. By Chad talking about of being 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,440 like a farmer in coaching, you know, tending to your crops and 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,840 things along those lines. So this will be a very good 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,680 conversation. Then piping in Bill with it to 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,080 talk about how he kind of tends to his athletes, kind of from a 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,520 facility perspective, yeah. And as you can tell, we follow 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,320 Chad's stuff quite a bit. But that being said, I felt like 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,200 today's topic really fits an ecological lens and what is the 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:04,400 role of a coach? And so we're super excited to 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,800 have both Bill because I was having a conversation with Bill 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,840 and a lot of what he was talking about in terms of how he sees 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,920 what he does as a coach, being very dependent upon the, you 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,320 know, the work that the athlete puts in. 21 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:21,880 Like it's a it's a Co adaptive relationship between the coach 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,160 and the player and there needs to be some level of reciprocal 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,720 effort put in in order for the athlete to truly become the best 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,760 that they can. And so I thought this this idea 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,160 and this concept of being a farmer really played well with 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,680 that, that you know both Bill and and Chad would be able to 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,720 contribute to having a good discussion which we we did. 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,960 So anyways, enjoy today's podcast. 29 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,680 So to me that the thing that I wanted to cover today was, Chad, 30 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:15,080 your tweet from a while ago on being a farmer, and I think that 31 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,520 ties in really well with like an ecological approach and the 32 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,200 whole idea of being a facilitator. 33 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:25,800 I know, Bill, we were talking more recently and you're you're 34 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,640 saying some sort of sentiments that echoed that as far as, you 35 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:36,040 know, how much, how much, how much is it on the coach to 36 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,560 develop a player and how much is it the player's job to develop 37 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:41,280 as a player? I feel like that's kind of a 38 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,120 little bit of a a theme that you were describing when we were 39 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,560 talking. So I kind of wanted to. 40 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,800 Throw that out to you guys and kind of hear what your thoughts 41 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:58,200 are on what what it means to be a coach, I guess I think is is a 42 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:05,800 better starting question. So I I guess I could start 43 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,360 because I do have a good thought on this. 44 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,920 So after we recorded our last podcast, I was talking to 45 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:15,840 somebody about like, just some of the stuff that we had spoke 46 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,560 about. And the one thing that, like, we 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,400 had both agreed on was how important it was to just shut up 48 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:29,360 sometimes as a coach. And he had given me a link to, 49 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,560 like, you know, a video of a guy named Trevor Moad. 50 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,080 I think he died a couple years ago, Rest in peace. 51 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:41,120 But he was, he was big on like, you know, mental strength for 52 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,040 players like he worked with like Russell Wilson, stuff like that. 53 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,480 A lot of different teams. But the one thing that he had 54 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,880 talked about was how like, there was like a lasting impact. 55 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,760 That like when you say something negative, it stuck so much more 56 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,920 with people. And he had different like 57 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,560 research things that he cited about that and how when it was 58 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,040 like set out loud like the probability of something bad 59 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,760 happening as a result was much higher than if you simply said 60 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,920 nothing at all. And obviously when hitters are 61 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,000 working in the cage, if they're really doing something 62 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,720 challenging, probably 50% of their swings, if not more, are 63 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,200 going to have a bad result attached to them. 64 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,680 So if you're just simply like neutral, if you don't say 65 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,800 anything at all, or if you don't know there's nothing negative 66 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,000 said, you're probably going to help that athlete out a lot 67 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,040 more, help them get through those tougher rounds of BP so 68 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,200 that maybe by their last round. They're starting to hit the crap 69 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,840 out of the ball the way that you would hoped. 70 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,600 And those drills that you're doing that are challenging are 71 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,560 starting to work as opposed to. I mean I see it all the time 72 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,280 where it's like a dad with his kid or just like an 73 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:55,800 inexperienced coach or sometimes an old school coach where 74 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,920 they're just like you know, got on the kids ass the whole time. 75 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,160 Just you know, hey you got to throw your hands at the ball. 76 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,600 You got to do this, you got to do that. 77 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,760 You need to, you know, improve this if you're all the time on 78 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:14,710 the kids ass. It's probably not going to be 79 00:05:14,870 --> 00:05:16,750 great for their development long term. 80 00:05:18,990 --> 00:05:20,790 Yeah, I would. I would second with that. 81 00:05:20,790 --> 00:05:24,630 I mean when you think about it like especially at the younger 82 00:05:24,630 --> 00:05:26,870 age like the Little League World Series going on right now. 83 00:05:28,190 --> 00:05:33,790 You know there's at those ages. You know if if the parents or 84 00:05:33,790 --> 00:05:37,870 the coaches on their ass like Bill said, it can lead to burn 85 00:05:37,870 --> 00:05:39,870 up and the kid will be like I don't, I don't want to play 86 00:05:39,870 --> 00:05:42,670 baseball anymore. It leads to that situation where 87 00:05:42,670 --> 00:05:45,640 it's like. I I don't want to play because 88 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,240 it's it's not one, it's not fun and two it's it's, you know if I 89 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,720 do anything, I'm going to be, you know talk to about her 90 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,600 giving a lecture about it like here here's what you need to do. 91 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,360 So yeah, I mean that that does bring up great points. 92 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,120 I mean in in my experience with with kind of the handling of 93 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,840 negative emotion like. Then you you start, if you you 94 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,040 know like during a game, you strike out and you're told hey 95 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,080 you know you got to do XYZ. It leads to a negative emotion 96 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,680 which then leads to like playing scared if you will, and then 97 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:24,080 playing scared in that sense. Then you know you you're not 98 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,720 trying to say hey you know what, What can I do to solve this 99 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,760 problem? I'm now my thought processes, 100 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,560 what can I do to not mess up? And that becomes a whole, whole 101 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,920 can of worms. On that end where you're asking 102 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,920 the question, OK, you know how how can I not mess up, how can I 103 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,480 not mess up? And then at that point it's, you 104 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,920 know you're you're timid and then everything you work towards 105 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,640 it's, you know leads to community. 106 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,040 And we can even think about it in terms of like, you know, 107 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,160 maybe you, maybe you don't, you don't want to swing because 108 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,040 you're like I if I swing, you know something, something bad 109 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,520 might happen or. You know, if I in the field, you 110 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,240 know, a ground ball that's maybe not hit right at me, but I have 111 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,200 to go for it, I'm not going to go as much harder, 'cause then 112 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,920 it's be like, oh, I didn't get it, 'cause it's out of my reach, 113 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,080 you know, that's that's that's OK, but things like that, So 114 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,720 then, you know, then it becomes a very negative process where 115 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,800 then you're playing scared and then you're not exuding 116 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,680 confidence and then you're not playing it the best. 117 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Yeah, and obviously, Chad, like you could speak 'cause it's your 118 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,600 tweet, it was golden, but. The one all, the one other thing 119 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,320 that really comes to mind when I think about that tweet is how 120 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,120 there's so much about, like, in order to really develop as a 121 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,280 hitter or anybody really in, in athletics, you have to put in so 122 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,680 many days, so many reps, hundreds of thousands of reps, 123 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,280 you know, in the cages and stuff like that. 124 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,520 But at the same time there's like so it seems almost infinite 125 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,480 how many days we can get in the cages with these guys. 126 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,840 But then in the opposite side, it's like they were actually 127 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,920 kind of limited because we only get maybe a couple months with 128 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,040 them at a time before their season start. 129 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,400 You know whether it's fall season or spring season what 130 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,440 have you. So it's both limited and 131 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:20,560 limitless and if you can just put in as many high quality reps 132 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,880 as you can and and almost allow that athlete to get those high 133 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,240 quality reps more often. Then they're going to make lots 134 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,720 of improvements with those tons and tons of reps that we hope 135 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,400 they're going to put in. But if you are constantly going 136 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,200 backwards, constantly negative, constantly playing scared or 137 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,919 hitting scared in the cages, etcetera, you're probably not 138 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:46,040 going to make that progress even with thousands upon thousands of 139 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,400 reps. I guess, Chad, you could talk 140 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,000 more about that, but that was like the other thing that really 141 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,680 stuck out to me. Sure, Bill, It is nice to meet 142 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:54,880 you. You and I have actually. 143 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,720 I don't think ever spoken in person but I'm a big fan I'm a 144 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,160 big fan of your work. We've we've we've implemented 145 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:09,400 several of the things that you guys do in your facility in in 146 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,160 our process as well. I think the thing about this 147 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,960 tweet and I think The thing is that that a lot of coaches and 148 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,720 and. I think the pressure in youth 149 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,360 certainly is put on coaches to to perform to some expectation 150 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,640 of what coaching should be. You know correction of mistake, 151 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,800 everything that you guys have highlighted, correction of 152 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,800 mistakes, errors, movement errors, technique, reinforcement 153 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,160 of technique, whatever. I think the thing that people 154 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,360 are going to have a hard time, coaches and parents drawing to 155 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:46,560 this suite is they don't quite understand what what building 156 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:51,480 the whole. Athlete and player looks like it 157 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,680 doesn't. You know you come to my facility 158 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:57,600 and and I stand and often times feed a machine or beat on the 159 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,880 computerized machine to make sure it's feeding balls 160 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:04,080 correctly or or you know setting radar guns up, fixing 161 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,240 technology, whatever. I don't like coach a lot quote 162 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,720 fingers coach a lot. This is an audio podcast what 163 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,280 I've done and and you know what what you guys have done. 164 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,840 Is is you know you you build the environment for the athlete to 165 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,960 grow in and this is where this tweet originated from. 166 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,720 Obviously is is much like a farmer, you know builds the 167 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,360 builds the system to where to where the to where the 168 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,840 vegetables are going to grow. And he waters them and and and 169 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,840 and you know he takes into everything that is going to help 170 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,360 the plant grow. He just can't make the plant 171 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,920 grow. He can't, he can't yell at it. 172 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,600 It's not going to grow. He can't. 173 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,040 He can't coach it to grow faster. 174 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,960 He can't. He's just got to wait, you know, 175 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:52,120 And I think a lot of times with athletes like you said, and I've 176 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,960 had this thought driving in my car because it seems like that's 177 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,720 all that I do these days. I take my kids to practice every 178 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,600 day and then I'm back and forth and. 179 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,720 You know, I draw this comparison too. 180 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,080 Is is you can study the technique, Beethoven's technique 181 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,760 of piano playing, and you can study music notes and you can 182 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,200 look at the sheet and you can do all these different things. 183 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,520 But unless you get in front of a piano every day and put your 184 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,760 keys on, the fingers on the keys and play, you're never going to 185 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,640 become that good and be like you said if you don't get in the 186 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,200 cage every day. We can study techniques who are 187 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,920 blue in the face. We can talk about it, we can 188 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,720 correct it. And I think a lot of times what 189 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,360 people are looking forward, much like a farmer would be looking 190 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,240 for is how do we make this plant grow faster. 191 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,320 I put the seed in the ground. How do I make this corn tomorrow 192 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,560 and it and it's just not going to happen. 193 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:41,040 It's just not going to happen. I think people know that, but 194 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,560 they continue to look for that, that, that Ave. of what's 195 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:51,440 quicker, what's going to save me the time and work to put in, you 196 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,400 know? Just like the farmer I am living 197 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,640 out in the middle of the country. 198 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,640 You know farming is something that that I see often. 199 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,960 It's people that I interact with all the time. 200 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,760 They're patient people. They have to be. 201 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,880 You know, they have often times coaches, parents, players. 202 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,000 Patience is not. Patience is not because because 203 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,120 quite frankly, the way the system is built at the youth 204 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,280 level and and this is where I interact most, because I'm 205 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,080 chasing my kids around all the time, now is. 206 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,000 You know, the comparison to other players, like I want what 207 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,880 he's got and you know he's successful and I want my kid to 208 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,120 do that. And it's like, man, I don't know 209 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,600 how to get you. I mean, I know what that player 210 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,200 does. I know what that player's output 211 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,520 is and and I know what yours is. And the only way you're going to 212 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,360 close the gap is through time and effort and again, nurturing 213 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,720 the environment. Like like the Tweed the Farmer, 214 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,400 something that coaches maybe not exactly familiar with is is 215 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:51,360 building the the environment. Around the athlete, Not 216 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,760 necessarily like pounding whatever into the athlete. 217 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,600 That's the point. Yeah, it it makes me wonder too, 218 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,200 like if you plopped me out in the middle of the country and 219 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,640 you said, all right, Bill, you're going to have to be a 220 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,800 farmer now, Like how I would, like, absolutely suck at it and 221 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,640 how, like I would be very impatient and, you know, those 222 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,200 sorts of thoughts come to my mind. 223 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,440 So it's kind of the same idea like if you're. 224 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,280 Maybe a dad that's a volunteer coach and your kids on the team 225 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:25,000 and not saying like, you know, if you can't do that job well, 226 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,120 but you almost have to think a little bit more deeply about it. 227 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,640 So it's not going to be, you know, the way it is at a nine to 228 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,560 five desk job where I want this to get done, this is my 229 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:36,440 deadline. It gets done on time. 230 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,000 Development in sports isn't like that. 231 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,040 So I do think if you are maybe a less experienced coach, you 232 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,840 almost have to give it that extra time and give yourself. 233 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,040 A little bit of leeway and learning how to coach. 234 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,880 Don't expect it to be perfect so much is just kind of enjoy that 235 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,520 process. And yeah, I think if people 236 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,480 approach them more like that, like not just that the players 237 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,840 developing, but me as the coach, I'm also getting better. 238 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,520 If you approach it more like that, I think you're going to 239 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,480 see really good results long term. 240 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,000 To your point though about you moving to the country here and 241 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,320 you're not familiar with farming and whatever. 242 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,120 You could roll up on somebody's farm and see this field of corn. 243 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,960 Be like, I'm going to do that. And so you go and you plant your 244 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,440 own corn and it's like, God, this takes forever. 245 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,560 When you showed up and you thought, man, I can probably do 246 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,040 this faster. It's like, no, no, you can't. 247 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,840 That's what parents think. You know, they come in and they, 248 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,440 they see these players and and it's like, I want that, OK, I'm 249 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,040 going to put my kid here next week. 250 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,760 He's not like that. It's like, oh, well, where's my 251 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,440 tall corn? It doesn't necessarily happen 252 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,080 that way. You know, it doesn't necessarily 253 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,000 happen that fast. It doesn't necessarily happen in 254 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,880 the time we want it to happen. All you can do and to the point 255 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,320 of the tweet, and there's several points here, Irrigating, 256 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:01,120 fertilize, planting the best soil, water, like all of these 257 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,640 things, all these environmental things that go into farming. 258 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,080 It's the same thing for athletes. 259 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,080 You know, Bill, you're one of the best guys on. 260 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,120 You're one of the best guys on Twitter or whatever we're 261 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,760 calling it now. I don't really care Elon Musk 262 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,040 app. I still like it a lot. 263 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,000 You're one of the best guys at building like rotational 264 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,120 capacities, you know, rotational power and strength and all these 265 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,760 things, things that aren't even in the cage. 266 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,160 And people would be like, what's that? 267 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,080 Well that's that's like fertilizer, man. 268 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,840 Like he's pouring fertilizer on these cubes, like as soon as he 269 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,400 puts them in the soil. Where they're going to grow and 270 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:47,520 develop the cage, quote fingers, the cage it it. 271 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,520 What they're going to be able to do is going to be much better. 272 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,080 You know, and I think people may be I I don't I don't ever try to 273 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,800 bring and this is a different platform so I can say it, but I 274 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,040 don't ever try to bring like attention to like Fry or teacher 275 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,280 man or any of these guys because they're doing their thing. 276 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,400 I don't care what you're doing, whatever doesn't matter to me. 277 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,680 But you know. It's that, you know, they kind 278 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,120 of bag on. It's like, well, you know, 279 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,480 whenever fry particularly, it's like, well, you know, he doesn't 280 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,200 even have a bat. I learned to hit with a bat and 281 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,120 it's like not everything that you need to do to develop the 282 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,200 capacity to, to produce power. It's going to happen with the 283 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,520 bat, you know, just as well as not everything that you would do 284 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:35,000 as a farmer growing the plant is necessarily like the plant 285 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,320 growing. It's like water. 286 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,120 You know, it's like I got to put this granular fertilizer down. 287 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,960 Like that doesn't have anything to do with the plant. 288 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,160 That's just just feeding the machine, you know, and Bill, 289 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,760 your work is amazing and like feeding the machine so that when 290 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,760 you do put it in the environment that it's going to compete in, 291 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:58,520 it flourishes, it grows and you know it competes well. 292 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,680 Yeah. The other thing that comes to 293 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,079 mind now that you're mentioning that like about a lot of the 294 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:10,319 rotational power stuff I do or just strength and conditioning 295 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:13,599 in general, you know, people, OK. 296 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,960 So the one of the big reasons that I like strength and 297 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,200 conditioning is because it helps us gain bat speed and exit 298 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,079 velocity. Those things are vastly 299 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,680 important. And if you don't have good bat 300 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,400 speed or good exit velocity, you won't be able to really play at 301 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,320 those high levels like a lot of kids dream of. 302 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,520 But the problem is, if we try to gain bat speed ASAP, which is 303 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,960 just take the bat and swing like a caveman as hard as you can, 304 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,400 it's probably not going to yield very good results of becoming a 305 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,120 hitter. So rather than just putting on 306 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:51,000 like a blast sensor and telling a kid swing until your hands are 307 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,520 about to bleed, try to actually like gain bat speed very 308 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,120 gradually over time. So rather than like. 5 mph a 309 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,240 month, I want 5 mph in like a two year span. 310 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,240 That to me is much more conducive with all right now my 311 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,200 swing feels the same. It's something that I can 312 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,040 translate well to a game and just steadily over time I can 313 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,400 apply it to machine training, live at bat training and all 314 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,000 those other things that we feel are valuable. 315 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,600 And and then, you know, so it rather than it being something 316 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,840 that's instant gratification, look at me, I can hit a ball 5 317 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,520 mph off the tee. It's actually like, wow, I could 318 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,040 not hit a home run over a fence two years ago and today and live 319 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,480 at bats. I hit 1 / a fence. 320 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,480 Like those are the types of games that me as a coach and I 321 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,360 know all of us here would love to see. 322 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,920 But a lot of parents and people on Instagram, you know, whatever 323 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,880 else social media wise. A lot of times people don't get 324 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,680 enamoured by those types of gradual gains. 325 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,320 And I think too there's go ahead Chad if you want to hop in 326 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:59,680 there, good. Keep going. 327 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,400 Well, I think too like there's there's multiple elements to it, 328 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,640 right? Because it's not just like, OK, 329 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,720 quick growth sometimes, you know, a small tweak here or 330 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,560 there, like there's some sometimes really low hanging 331 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,320 fruit. That you can get more out of the 332 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,240 body by moving in more mechanically advantageous ways. 333 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,720 But when it comes to just like raw output to your point of like 334 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,280 this is the other element of strength and conditioning is the 335 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:33,800 conditioning side of it. You may be able to output high 336 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,840 levels of force and like increase that neurologically, 337 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,280 but does the tissue have the capacity to handle that and you 338 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,640 doing that at A at a high volume? 339 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,840 And so that's the other element of it too is when we do more 340 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:55,680 gradual growth, the body is able to adapt to it a lot better and 341 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,520 you're going to stay healthier for longer when you do it that 342 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,080 way. Because I I I think about it 343 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,000 from the standpoint of throwing whenever a guy has a huge jump 344 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,920 in velocity, especially top end or like the the higher levels 345 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,040 like the upper 80s into the 90s like. 346 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,040 Your risk of injury goes up substantially when you make big 347 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:23,120 jumps because the system hasn't, the structures hasn't hasn't 348 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:26,560 actually necessarily adapted yet to be able to handle that new 349 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,840 force that you're able to output. 350 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,160 And so that's where I also think, like the whole reason why 351 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,640 I want to have this conversation is this, this idea of, you know, 352 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,320 coaching is like being a farmer because you can take this idea 353 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,800 and you can go in all sorts of different directions with it. 354 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,480 So for me to to kind of slightly take this in a different 355 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:57,440 direction, where does the. Because I for me, it's not all 356 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,280 about just not saying stuff to the athlete. 357 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,880 You know, I think there's a spot for that of like, OK, when we do 358 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,560 use our words and and talk to the athlete, what, what way do 359 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,560 we want to think about that? And to me part of that is 360 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,600 removing the weeds and helping guys like understand their own 361 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,480 thought process, how to handle failure. 362 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,800 And so to me that's that's that's removing weeds. 363 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000 And the other element of it too is like helping even the players 364 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,080 start to think of it like being a farmer as well what they're 365 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,960 doing. Because the other thing too, 366 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,120 going back to the to the growth piece is I heard this really 367 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,480 great analogy. Like, I mean not all the kids 368 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,880 are going to be growing beards if they're if they're younger. 369 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,200 But you know, like do you, if you wanted to see your your 370 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,480 beard grow, if you're staring at your face you are you going to 371 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,120 see the growth or is it while you're doing things later on you 372 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,680 come back and you're like, wow, look at how much it's grown. 373 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,560 And so I think that's the same thing is true when it comes to, 374 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,240 you know, like for me, like when it came to lifting, it took me 375 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,960 years to be able to see where I notice any growth in terms of 376 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,840 like changes to my body. And that's why I really like 377 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,160 like like this farmer idea and helping guys to understand or 378 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,040 even coaches begin to think in this way. 379 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:27,640 Because for me, a lot of times I have to remind myself that when 380 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,480 stuff is like in a in a within a session, things aren't 381 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,640 necessarily progressing as as fast or as much as I want. 382 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,920 I have to remember well, especially working with college 383 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,680 guys, I I feel like I definitely have the freedom to do this 384 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,440 well. What they are right now in the 385 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,040 fall is not what they're going to be in the spring. 386 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,320 And so just because they're not doing something exactly how I 387 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,960 want right now doesn't mean I need to get it all bent out of 388 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,440 shape. Or if a coach is working with 389 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,080 them and doing the exact opposite of kind of how I would 390 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,040 do it. It doesn't really matter right 391 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,640 this moment because I got to think about the long term 392 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,320 growth. And what what if too? 393 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Because this to me is like what's also great about this 394 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,960 tweet is that I think it helps remove the ego a little bit more 395 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,240 when you begin to think of it from this perspective. 396 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,880 Because to me it's about like, OK, what? 397 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:21,280 What is, what does the athlete need right now? 398 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,160 And if you know an old school way or a way that I don't 399 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,360 necessarily, this is not the way that I would interact with the 400 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,560 athlete. But if the athlete is finding 401 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,520 success right now, later on when? 402 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,600 Because the the struggle is always going to happen at some 403 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:43,280 point, so later on, then I'll be able to echo what the like. 404 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,520 To me, this is right. The whole idea of being like an 405 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,280 adaptable and dexterous coach, taking what the other coaches 406 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,240 said or what they've heard on the Internet or whatever and 407 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,560 then finding a way to utilize that and like tweak that so that 408 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,960 it's more adaptable and dexterous for that athlete and 409 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:10,400 how they can properly place that in their their process for being 410 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,840 successful on the field. And I think that's that's the 411 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:18,960 other element of you know how you tend to you could say you 412 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,800 are crops you know and and caring for them. 413 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:27,000 It doesn't always look like necessarily taking a hoe out 414 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,560 there and like digging big holes but it can sometimes be like OK 415 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,960 doing like small little things and kind of cleaning things up 416 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,680 and and all that sort of stuff. So anyways, that's that's for me 417 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,320 is why I I like. I love this idea and this 418 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,640 concept because you can take it in so many different directions. 419 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,840 No doubt. I've been a big fan lately, 420 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,080 especially with fall ball starting up. 421 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,920 I've had like good conversations with a bunch of kids that are 422 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,640 going out to their colleges this fall, and I've been telling 423 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,480 them, OK, pick three goals that you can hit this fall while 424 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,640 you're at school. Obviously I'm not going to be 425 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,360 there in the cages with them and stuff like that, but it's almost 426 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:12,080 like, OK if you let the athlete pick their own goals. 427 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,400 Like I want to hit X amount of barrels and live at basses. 428 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,040 This fall or I want to, you know, hit X bat speed by the end 429 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,440 of the fall or something like that. 430 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:26,240 If they are able to almost police themselves and continue 431 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,720 to strive for a goal on each day, then their practices and 432 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,040 everything like that are going to be at least, you know, 1% 433 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,160 better by the end of the fall as opposed to. 434 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,360 So I know how it goes. Especially as like an incoming 435 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,400 freshman, you have no clue what the practices are going to be 436 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,200 like. You have no clue what you're. 437 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,320 You know time in the cages could be and what drills they're going 438 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,200 to be doing. So if you just have your own 439 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,520 goals and whatever the outside, excuse me, outside factors are, 440 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,440 you can continue to still make progress and almost like keep 441 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,880 growing upwards even if the situation that you're in this 442 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,560 fall or wherever isn't necessarily optimal, if that 443 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,480 makes sense. I think too, you know you you 444 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,960 brought up. You brought up like a blast 445 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,440 sensor or something a few minutes ago and and like for a 446 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,880 guy going off to school that you're not going to be in front 447 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,640 of something like a a blast sensor because, you know, we're 448 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,600 talking about back speed and we're talking about X 449 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,040 philosophy. We're talking about the the 450 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,160 physical capacities that it takes to do that. 451 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,040 A guy that's going off to school that's lost like that? 452 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,520 A bat sensor on your own can be a good tool to to Am I keeping 453 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,600 up with my gains that I got with you? 454 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,520 Am I maintaining my, am I maintaining my you know am I 455 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,120 losing? Am I going backwards? 456 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:58,440 Because again I I've been a technology and data guy for for 457 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,040 for many years and I think it's implementation sometimes gets 458 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,880 misrepresented all over the place. 459 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,920 But that information from players. 460 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:13,160 Can drive conversations with coaches, with you, with me, with 461 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,200 whoever. It's like, hey, man, like, I 462 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,320 don't know. My bat speed is down 3 miles an 463 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,240 hour and now my output is not good. 464 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,000 What are you doing? Are you sleeping? 465 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,800 Are you eating? Are you, are you, are you 466 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,800 lifting or all of these things that drive conversations? 467 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,080 It's not necessarily about the five mile an hour gain that you 468 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,880 get out right out of the gate because you just decided to 469 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,720 swing harder. You know, it's just about the 470 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,960 the information that you can collect. 471 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:42,080 On your own process, that's kind of off the topic of of the 472 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,040 farmer. But, but I think all of these 473 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,360 pieces can go into, we're talking about communication with 474 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:53,280 players driving communication from, from an objective 475 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,040 standpoint about their performance. 476 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,280 Not necessarily because you come off less judgmental. 477 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,680 You know it's not, it's not as just subjective and judgmental 478 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,480 that you aren't meeting my approval. 479 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,600 No, it's not about that. It's about, look, your 480 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,640 performance output or your performance capacity is down. 481 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,720 If your performance capacity is down, then we need to figure out 482 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,160 why. Because if you're a if you're a 483 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,120 player going into college like you're speaking about, your your 484 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:27,840 performance capacity needs to be at peak as as often as it can 485 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,120 be. You know and and if you're away 486 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,760 from your your coach or if you're away from whoever you're 487 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,480 comfortable with talking about these things with that little 488 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,520 piece of information can can can drive some amazing 489 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,000 conversations. Garrett, I'm I'm curious because 490 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,360 Bill and I both work in different industries than you 491 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,880 do. Players come to you in college 492 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,680 with some dependency, dependency, dependency on the 493 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,040 coaches going to give me. The coach is the gatekeeper of 494 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,400 knowledge and the coach is the coach is going to give me the 495 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,000 wisdom I need to to to be a a player. 496 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:12,040 How do you take a kid from the dependency of of, from a on a 497 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,440 coach because that's quite frankly the the, the, the 498 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,920 environment that they grow in to to kind of independent, you know 499 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,240 independency, freedom of their own process, you know supportive 500 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,560 but certainly. You know, to get them to problem 501 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,440 solve on their own because all the way to college that, I mean 502 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,160 that's that's kind of what they come to expect. 503 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,080 I would imagine in your world, you know a lot of the guys that 504 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,480 I work with in in, in in big schools, they get incoming 505 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,960 freshmen who just, you know, it's it's like they're waiting 506 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,520 for someone to tell them they have no problem solving or 507 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,000 creative thinking skills for themselves. 508 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,560 I mean I think though it's it's this the system that they grew 509 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:02,680 up in right, like a lot for for our area travel ball is is quite 510 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,000 big And so a lot of the kids that we get have been in some 511 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,040 sort of travel program, not all of them if we get a kid from a 512 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,840 small town, but even too I think some of the times they've played 513 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,320 in some club organizations. And so since the clubs are 514 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,440 always trying to help them get to a college program, they're 515 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,960 usually at some level have been inundated with this idea that 516 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,560 like the good program gives you lots of instructions. 517 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,400 And so I think, I think it, you know, it's it's kind of the the 518 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,000 water that they swim in. So like that is I I think you 519 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,480 know why it is that a lot of guys come in expecting that and 520 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,640 I do think there's. Sorry, Rob, how often do you see 521 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,640 the excuse of lack of instructions the for the reason 522 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:57,920 that I'm not successful? I mean maybe it depends like, I 523 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,720 mean I think that happens a little bit. 524 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,760 I mean you'd only find that out in in an exit meeting or after a 525 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,440 guy, like a guy leaving from another program to come to your 526 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,480 program. You know, like I mean I I 527 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,240 sometimes hear about that, but it depends because it's all 528 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,200 contextual. Like if there is not a whole lot 529 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,520 of instruction going on and there's not any like we're 530 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,240 talking about shaping of the environment, you know, setting 531 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:31,080 up problems for the athlete to solve, then you know not saying 532 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,480 anything and not giving instruction you're not doing, 533 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,120 you know you're you're letting again it's it's like letting 534 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,800 things grow wild right there. If you have the right ecology, 535 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,480 you can get sometimes get like guys can really thrive in that 536 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,080 or really, you know, develop some really good functional 537 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,800 movement behaviors, but there's still going to be some rawness 538 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,160 to it. Because again, this goes back to 539 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,640 the whole farmer analogy. There's different, there's 540 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,080 different forms of farming, right? 541 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,240 There's your traditional farming that you see the cornfields. 542 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,920 But then there's also this new idea that I've been looking into 543 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,960 a little bit too. It's called like permaculture, 544 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,600 where you actually have the the whole ecology is about 545 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,160 regenerative farming. And so this is kind of to me why 546 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,720 this analogy is so awesome is because again from an ecological 547 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,760 standpoint or like it, it fits with ecological psychology 548 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,120 because again the player is because when you think about it 549 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,400 too from an S&C standpoint. And I'm getting off your 550 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,360 question Chad, I want to come back to the other the 551 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,560 second-half of your question. But right the the human body is 552 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:43,400 a is is biological right. And so it operates like a like a 553 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,880 plant. And so when when we're talking 554 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,720 about like developing a skill or even getting stronger and seeing 555 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,120 more output, it operates, the growth operates exactly like a 556 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,240 plant. You don't the the growth is 557 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,800 happening when you're not paying attention. 558 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,760 That's where a lot of the growth happens, is in the in between 559 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,320 and through the working. And you don't necessarily notice 560 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,520 it in the moment, but it's kind of like when you're traveling, 561 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,960 right? Like you don't really feel like 562 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,720 you're making progress, but when you look back and you all of a 563 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,080 sudden you go, whoa, I've actually traveled quite a bit of 564 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,600 distance. I didn't even realize it. 565 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:26,880 And so that's where to me though like going helping one coaches 566 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,080 and two players. But I think it's just as 567 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,080 important to help the players because I mean like we're 568 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,720 getting to Chad, you're you definitely experienced this. 569 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,040 You get to a point where the guys that you've coached are 570 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,680 wanting to be coaches. That in some way is how things 571 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,440 are going to actually we're going to change culture moving 572 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,920 forward as far as that is like the new, the new coaches, the 573 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,080 new crop of coaches that come in, Is that an old? 574 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,240 Joke potentially that's that's going to be is. 575 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,560 That a your well joke. Which part? 576 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,760 The part. Where you said I've definitely 577 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,080 experienced my players wanting to be coaches. 578 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,160 Oh yes, it is however saying. I turned 40. 579 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,560 I turned 40 Garrett this summer, so it's a bit raw steel. 580 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,960 That's fair. I mean, I've been thinking about 581 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,679 like, when my kids are going to start playing baseball at a, 582 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,320 like a an interesting level. And I'm like, man, I'm going to 583 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,639 be old, right? Like when my kids are in their 584 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,199 teens. I I coached Nick. 585 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,040 Gaskew. So just let that let that simmer 586 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,760 for, right. Well, I mean, but that's The 587 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,280 thing is like, I've coached enough guys that have graduated 588 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,120 from high school and then like even graduated from college and 589 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,639 you're like, man, I I was a young, I was a really young 590 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,320 whippersnapper back when who who is Bill? 591 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:52,600 How old are you? 323232 Robert How old are you? 592 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,199 I am. 27. The young buck. 593 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,280 Oh my. God, I am. 594 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,000 Yeah. By a lot. 595 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,240 Keep going on your point though. Sorry, I just No, no, it's my 596 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,680 old. Man vibes here. 597 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,280 Well, you hope as as you get older, you get wiser, right? 598 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,640 Kyle turned. 40 this year too. Kyle and I are like a month and 599 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,600 a half apart. Birthdays. 600 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,920 Kyle Bode, I mean, I think no, the. 601 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,720 O GS I think that's super interesting just to see like the 602 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:29,600 growth of the field. But anyways I I I mean going 603 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:35,760 back to I think it's like so the other element of this is, is is 604 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,360 also transporting this these ideas to the players of like 605 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,320 trying to change their mindset on how they they see their own 606 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:48,040 growth and development. And so this actually ties well 607 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,280 into your second-half of that question of like, OK, how do you 608 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:58,400 interact with a player or and help them kind of understand a 609 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,440 different way of of growing. And so for me, it's about 610 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,880 setting the environment and putting the idea or planting the 611 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:12,040 seed, right, of this idea of I actually want, I want you to 612 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,520 become your own coach. Essentially. 613 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,440 Like, that's what I tell them is I'm going to give you a 614 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,120 framework and give you, you can say, tools, and I'm going to 615 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,560 teach you how to use these tools. 616 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,360 And really at the end of the day, where I want you to get to 617 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,840 is that you're able to do a lot of this stuff on your own. 618 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,080 And I'm only here for when the problem gets too complicated for 619 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,760 you and you need extra perspective. 620 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,640 And then I come in alongside you and I go, hey, let's try to 621 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:44,520 solve this together. And so that to me is so I I 622 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,560 spend a lot more time trying to and I'll even tell like I've 623 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,520 I've said this to several players, when an opportunity 624 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,560 comes up, we get into a conversation because we're not 625 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,160 in full team practice yet. And so I'm trying to like set 626 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,840 the stage early for them setting them up for some of the 627 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,160 activities we might do in the future of hey, this is the goal 628 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,920 for what it is. That how I see hitting and what 629 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,920 what I would like you to see hitting as and how to begin to. 630 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,560 Because to me it's about I want you to learn how to be a good 631 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,760 hitter that understands how to make the adjustments in real 632 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,120 time. And like, I want you to really 633 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,000 understand the problem and have mastery over this craft and so 634 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,680 or no hitting And so, I mean, I think that's even true though 635 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,920 for any part of the game you don't have to. 636 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,840 I mean, we're all hitting guys here. 637 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,600 But what's great about this is you can transfer it to pitching, 638 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,840 to an infielder, to an outfielder, whatever part like. 639 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,600 And it's softball. Pitching. 640 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,640 I've become a softball pitching person. 641 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,400 It's amazing. Because the same principles 642 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,160 apply to your point, right? And I guess I'm struggling. 643 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,560 I don't know, Jack. Swat about ideal techniques of 644 00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,080 softball pitching, but the same ecological techniques and 645 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,760 environmental constraints and all these things still apply. 646 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,520 So just it's again, it's about, you know, to your point, this is 647 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,160 kind of expanding on your point of becoming your own coach. 648 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,440 I think when people here becoming your own coach, they 649 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,680 think they need to go out and they need to follow. 650 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,160 The 10, the 10 best Twitter accounts and and and digest 651 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,320 their words to them right. They need to learn their 652 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,960 terminology so that they can coach themselves. 653 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,360 And it's like it's not. Coaching is not terminology and 654 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,520 it's not. I mean, they may have 655 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,200 interesting perspectives and they may have interesting ideas 656 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,120 but but coaching yourself isn't about learning more words. 657 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,360 We're going and reading The Science of Hitting. 658 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,440 And and then reading the art of hitting 300C Lau and you know 659 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,840 going and following the you know I'm not we're not going to bring 660 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,120 back up the the the hitting people but but it's it's not 661 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:55,480 that just as much as it is trying to to to find your own 662 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,520 just just trying to find your own search process really you 663 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,760 know and it is my it's my environment conducive to to 664 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,720 growth that's going to to go into the game. 665 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,160 You know, it's to to the point of to the point of ideal 666 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,760 technique and softball pitching like, I don't know crap. 667 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,240 But it's like what is your attention where, where is your 668 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,360 attention and and where is your intention. 669 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,520 You know that that's one thing that I try with young people. 670 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,960 It's like are you connected to the task where you're trying to 671 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,120 to to to accomplish, you know, in softball pitching, I'm trying 672 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,960 to throw the ball hard. I'm trying to throw the ball in 673 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,520 this accurately in the strike zone. 674 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,320 Two things. We're going to build the tasks 675 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,600 around that. That's it. 676 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,920 That's it. We're not trying to make our 677 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,120 left femur go 14 degrees this way. 678 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,360 We're not trying because we're not going to divide our 679 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,240 attention to things that don't really matter to the task. 680 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,120 Like task matters, hitting, you know, back to the hitting 681 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,840 conversation, attention and intention. 682 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,520 Like what is your intention? Or am I trying to swing the bat 683 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,800 with some speed? Am I trying to hit the ball in a 684 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,960 particular trajectory? Am I trying to hit the ball in a 685 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,520 particular direction? Do I even need to think about 686 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,200 those things? You know, those are those are 687 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,480 conversations that I have a lot, man. 688 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,480 Are you connected to to to the intention of this thing or you 689 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,520 just hacking? Like, what's going on here? 690 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,600 So to that point, this is a really interesting thing that 691 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,000 happened to me. I was taking some rounds in the 692 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,120 cages with the guys and they're facing. 693 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,760 We have these light flight balls that have a little bit of rise 694 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,280 to them. When you throw them really fast 695 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,120 out the machine, it's coming in like 95 mph and I'm getting 696 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,160 absolutely blown up. And so like about 5 swings in 697 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,040 after swinging and missing five times in a row, I'm like, what 698 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,960 would I tell myself if I was coaching right now and everybody 699 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,200 else started laughing at me? But it's like, you know, it is 700 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,560 extremely hard while you're doing the reps to also think 701 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,440 about something. You know what I mean? 702 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,240 Like when I'm facing this really challenging machine or if I was 703 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,360 in a alive at bat scenario or something like you can't really 704 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,240 think about stuff. Maybe you can have one focus of 705 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,600 attention, like I'm going to drive this ball into my pull 706 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,280 side gap or opposite field gap. If it's as simple as that I feel 707 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,920 like it could work but that was like a wake up call to me is 708 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,520 like there is you can't really think about, like you said you 709 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,200 can't think about 15 degrees left femur or whatever it is 710 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,760 like you cannot think about stuff when the hitting really 711 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,240 gets tough because it's it's not going to work. 712 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,320 I can promise you that. And so if there's anybody 713 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,560 listening to this podcast that has the ability to do so without 714 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,520 getting hurt, step in the machine that's throwing 90 plus 715 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,120 and tell me what you think. Tell me what you feel and and 716 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,040 you'll be absolutely shocked at how obviously how hard hitting 717 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,440 is, but then how hard it is to like you know, to what you're 718 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,080 saying before Garrett about how you know being your own coach in 719 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,520 the batter's box, it's really tough and and so to to all the 720 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,080 players out there that are actually doing it, like you have 721 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,320 my respect because that's it's not easy. 722 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,560 But I mean I think at the end of the, you know to the just. 723 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,800 Go ahead, I was just. So I'm just going to make a 724 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,600 point real quick about my son. He's 9, he's in this youth 725 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,800 baseball world. You know he he has to deal with 726 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,360 because I don't coach his team. And this is to to Bill's point 727 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,160 where he's he's pitching the other day, we're doing live a BS 728 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,960 in the cage. He's throwing 2 hitters and he 729 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,120 throws 3 or 4 balls and I'm standing behind the net where 730 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,400 he's pitching from. And I said, look, man. 731 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,440 At this point in the game, your coach is going to be yelling at 732 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,400 you that you need to correct some movement, get your arm up, 733 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,720 you know, get better, whatever, OK? 734 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,880 It's not going to make this thing better. 735 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,040 If, if you're thinking about getting my arm up now and now 736 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,480 I'm now, I'm having to to think about the task of throwing a 737 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,840 strike, too. Now I've divided my attention 738 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,760 and we cannot under any circumstance. 739 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,160 This is me talking to my 9 year old. 740 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,920 You can't divide your attention to the task while your coach is 741 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,720 trying to help you. He's doing, he's he's not a bad 742 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,760 guy for trying to help you and tell you these things. 743 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,800 You cannot divide, divide your attention between the internal, 744 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,160 get my arm up and the external of throw the ball hard in that 745 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,080 strike zone. You have to take a deep breath, 746 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,640 you have to step back. You have to lock your eyes on 747 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,320 that target and just move fast at it. 748 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,920 And wherever your arm is in space, it'll be in space. 749 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,280 And if you throw a strike, your coach will say C and take credit 750 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,800 for it and everybody will be happy. 751 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,480 But you cannot divide your attention, whatever you do. 752 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,800 Like he needs to know these things when he goes out there. 753 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,160 It's not he needs to know my words of how to get his arm up 754 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,480 or my, you know, I saw a tweet yesterday about strength 755 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,680 conditioning about two guys that were saying the same thing. 756 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,760 And Guy #2 thinks he's really smart because he uses different 757 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,400 words. And it was a It was a post about 758 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,520 vanity. You know, it's like the vanity 759 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,240 of my words don't matter any more than the vanity of your 760 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:17,560 words don't matter because we can't. 761 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,040 We can't divide the attention to the hitting point. 762 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,720 And 9590 to 95 miles an hour, you don't have time. 763 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,560 You don't have time to to have these collective thoughts about 764 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,880 what What's going on? So why train? 765 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,800 Why train that way? Why train it all that way like? 766 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:35,000 And they would say, well, you're not coaching them. 767 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,840 It's like we're back to the point of building the the 768 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440 capacities, the environment, the things for the for the players 769 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,240 and the plants to grow in so that they can have one external 770 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,880 focus of attention and go try to be on time and apply whatever 771 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,280 physical capacities you have to to to accomplish the task to the 772 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:58,040 task to the main task which is hit the ball hard, hopefully 773 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,720 well, I think. No, it's good. 774 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:08,800 Part of where I'm at too is I think it's important for them to 775 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,120 like like like what you're talking about Bill to put 776 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,360 yourself in their shoes. And so there's there's an 777 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,440 element of OK, they need to learn when to make an adjustment 778 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,160 and what to be focused on and and like what things work 779 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,400 because I've had it where I've experienced it of man, I I 780 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,200 wasn't thinking at all and I've even and. 781 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,800 I'm not having success. So then it's like, OK, well, 782 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,680 they say, well, you know, when guys hit really well, they're 783 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,040 not thinking at all. Well, I'm not thinking at all 784 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,880 and I'm not having success. And then you ask a player a 785 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,880 question. Have you watched you? 786 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,960 Watched the PGA Tour show on Netflix. 787 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,680 What have you pulled out of that? 788 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,320 You haven't watched yet? OK, so Brooks Brooks Koepka in 789 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,800 the show. Like there. 790 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,240 There's like a whole episode on Brooks Koepka. 791 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,280 And like the self doubt that he has at this moment in time about 792 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:07,920 he's not even sure if he can play golf anymore. 793 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,720 You know, he's had some injury, he's thinking about his swing 794 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,880 and he just can't do all of these things and he just he's 795 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,520 just not even sure if he, the self doubt he has about whether 796 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,480 he'll be able to even play Professional Golf anymore. 797 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,040 And then, you know, he just goes back. 798 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,960 And I and I make this point. No one's ever gotten better by 799 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,920 by thinking more about their swing. 800 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,960 Brooks Koepka is That's a great episode to that point of no 801 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,680 one's ever gotten better, no one that you've never heard anyone 802 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,240 say. You know, the more I thought 803 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:41,560 about my swing during the game, the better I got. 804 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,560 Like no one's ever said that ever in the history of baseball 805 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,840 or in a golf or any bat sticking ball sport. 806 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,720 That's hard. You know, The more I thought 807 00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,120 about it, the better I got. And to your point, it's like the 808 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:58,480 more mindless I became about it, the better I did, you know? 809 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,080 My playing days are getting further and further away, but I 810 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:07,000 always go back to I. It was my first year rookie 811 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,680 ball. We're on the road and my parents 812 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:16,120 are coming to the game and I'm like one for my last 40 and I'm 813 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,880 searching for. I'm searching for anything. 814 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,600 I've never done this bad in my life. 815 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,000 You know, I'm a I'm a I'm a small town kid, single, a high 816 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,960 school in Virginia. I've never, I've never done. 817 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,240 I struck out like three times in high school for in four years. 818 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,880 Like I've never done bad before. But I but my parents were coming 819 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,960 to the game that night and I and I and I'll never forget that. 820 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,160 It was like that night. I was like, I've tried 821 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,280 everything tonight. I'm. 822 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,160 I'm just going to see how little I can care. 823 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,840 And I got like three hits that night. 824 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,600 Just I'm going to try to swing just whatever. 825 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,600 And not even think about anything. 826 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,240 And I got three hits that night. My parents were like, what you 827 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,520 do differently. I was like nothing. 828 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,520 I mean, I I just didn't because it's hard when you break into 829 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,200 pro ball to to not try to like keep the gas pedal pressed to 830 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,000 the floor and try as hard as you can. 831 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,080 You know, because you want to become a big leaguer. 832 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,240 You know you, you, you've you've realized this step in your 833 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,680 journey and and and you want to become a big leaguer. 834 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,680 But like pressing and thinking more about it for me. 835 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,560 It didn't help me and doesn't help anyone else, back to your 836 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,320 point I mean. Because this is, this is where I 837 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,560 think I'm kind of trying to describe the nuance here because 838 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,600 for me, I've done both of like, OK, I've thought way too much. 839 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,360 And then on the other end I was like, well, let's just go to not 840 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,480 thinking and I didn't see improvement there either. 841 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,720 I still sucked. And so there is a level of 842 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,240 because this goes back to what you talked about before Chad 843 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,920 intention. And attention, So what are you, 844 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,160 What are you attending to and then what's your intention? 845 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,440 And so but some of it too is like what I try to help players 846 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,320 do is assess what is going on, like what adjustment. 847 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:11,320 So for example, well, I want to use that one second so the the 848 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,080 first one is like, OK, what what's going on? 849 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,360 Am I swinging missing under like what? 850 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,240 OK, so if I'm swinging missing under what kind of type of 851 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,560 adjustment do I have to make to try to not be under the ball? 852 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,320 Or and and so because this is where, for example, ecological 853 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,720 dynamics helps me understand that the system is dynamic. 854 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,080 So for example, it's more about what's the current state of the 855 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,360 system and what is right for you right now based upon the current 856 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,080 state of the system. So for example, Chad, you've 857 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,600 been trying a whole bunch of different things. 858 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,840 Also too, you're really talented, hence you're there and 859 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,520 so sometimes you need to let the talent naturally come out or 860 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,320 maybe all those things that you are trying. 861 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,880 Like changed and nudged your system to put it in a really 862 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,240 great spot to be able when you go to not thinking at all or not 863 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,200 caring depending upon like what was the constraint right and you 864 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,360 take that constraint off that actually affords success, then 865 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,840 all that stuff naturally comes out. 866 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:11,240 And so for me it's it's about trying to help guys identify or 867 00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:15,000 rather help them direct them more towards what is going to 868 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,320 make them successful, right. So when a guy is struggling, 869 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,440 swinging and missing. Often times what I'll say to 870 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,840 them is like, hey, I just like check swing, just touch the 871 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,560 ball. And even my college coach found, 872 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,960 like hitting off the machine like that. 873 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,000 If I could just touch the ball one time, usually, then I could 874 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,560 ramp it up and I could hit it square just simply because I 875 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,840 touched it. Ecological dynamics tells me, 876 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,760 well, that's a calibration issue, right? 877 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,360 So by touching the ball you're becoming more calibrated. 878 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,360 And This is why, for example, at least to me, when I watch the 879 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,120 pros. And a guy wants to go challenge 880 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,880 a guy with a fastball and just is going to ride their fastball 881 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,560 and a guy falls it off, falls it off, straight back, throws it 882 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,000 again, falls it off, straight back, throws it again, falls it 883 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,240 off, straight back, throws it, boom, single, right. 884 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:02,920 To me, that's like they're fine tuning their calibration and 885 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,120 getting more dialed in. And that's kind of the same 886 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,720 thing of because if you look at like the concept of calibration, 887 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,680 well, it's just your body's mapping to where things are 888 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,200 relative to you. And so when you can get that 889 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,280 tighter of a one to one relationship of OK, where I'm 890 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,280 swinging is where where I'm intending it to go like that the 891 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,120 the error between that gets minimized. 892 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,000 So to me that's that's one element of it Like I'm just 893 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,800 simply trying to help guys assess like OK what what thing 894 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,920 do you go to. So for example, I think like I 895 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,920 talk a lot and I've had there's a whole podcast on this about 896 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440 the importance of exploration. Because when you begin to 897 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,440 explore and you try different things, especially based upon 898 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,520 the current state of the system, Let's say you're more fatigued 899 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,840 today. OK, there are certain days where 900 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,680 your nervous system just isn't primed because there are 901 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,440 certain. Let's go to the opposite. 902 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,320 Let's go to the ideal Your nervous system is super prime. 903 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,640 You can literally do anything that day and you're squaring 904 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,440 balls up. You can be super relaxed, you 905 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,640 can have it a little thought, distracting thought in there, 906 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,760 and you're still hitting the ball really well. 907 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,160 You flip that. And the things and the ways that 908 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,800 you're operating when you're in a in an optimal condition just 909 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,920 aren't working today, man. Like, I just don't feel it. 910 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,600 It's like, well, today maybe you actually have to grit it out 911 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,400 like you really have to will what you want to have happen 912 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,640 just to get just some sort of positive result. 913 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,640 But you have to be able to this, this whole idea of attunement, 914 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,920 right. You have to be attuned and in 915 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,520 tune with your body enough to know what it needs that day. 916 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,280 What intention do you need that day? 917 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,120 And so that's that's where to me like this whole idea of being 918 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,960 your own coach like again like a really good farmer knows based 919 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,040 upon the weather that day what his his crops need. 920 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,880 And again if the crop is yourself or the players knowing 921 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,680 what they need that day is becomes a skill in and of 922 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,400 itself. And so you only get acquire that 923 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,200 skill through the through the day-to-day work. 924 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,520 And and and taking every day is like, this is awesome. 925 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,960 Today I'm fatigued today I didn't get enough sleep. 926 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,320 Well, what do I have to do based upon that in order to perform at 927 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,600 a proficient enough level to be functional and useful to the 928 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,800 team And so because that right with you, if your goal is to 929 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,640 play at the professional level like and get to the MLB, well, 930 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:35,360 you're playing a ton and the states of your body is going to 931 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,040 be in over the course of 162 games season. 932 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,280 Like you need to know what to go to when you experience all those 933 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,440 different states that you're going to be in. 934 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,800 And so that's that's where in some ways like every day there's 935 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,040 there's a way to grow and learn and to like to. 936 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,120 Because the way that I look at it is like I want the athlete to 937 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,360 come to know themselves better. And so my job is to help them 938 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,240 get to know themselves better. And that's where like. 939 00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,320 So for example, this is a slight tangent. 940 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,760 One of the issues that we thought of why we didn't do so 941 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,200 well last year, especially in playoffs, was that we weren't 942 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,640 mentally tough enough. And some of that mental 943 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,960 toughness comes back to something that our head coach 944 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,320 when I played in college like harped on us all the time, was 945 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,280 you need to look in the mirror and that's super hard to do. 946 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,480 And and and dealing with some of those uncomfortable things and 947 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,080 working through those because when you're struggling that's 948 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,440 that's kind of what's going on is. 949 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,880 Is you have the humility to look in the mirror and be like man 950 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000 I'm just being a bonehead right now I need I should actually be 951 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,600 trying something different like I'm banging my head against the 952 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:50,000 wall and I should have done that like 3 swings ago And so that's 953 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,360 where like a small example of like it being tough to look in 954 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,400 the mirror and recognize like I should have made a change I was 955 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,880 being and so anyways these are these are the kind of like the 956 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:02,720 the things that you don't see they're not the obvious things 957 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,760 on the outside. That you're seeing. 958 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,600 But these are the small inside things that like I see part of 959 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,480 my role as a coach is actually helping them with the mental 960 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,320 side of the game and this process that everybody talks 961 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,240 about. You know like, but the process 962 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,080 is getting into like the like the weeds of it a little bit 963 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,520 more and like building that out and giving them a vision from 964 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,480 what it actually looks like. And so I don't know that's 965 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,880 that's kind of my. Because to me when when a guy is 966 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,240 struggling because I've heard this a lot and so this is this 967 00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:36,560 was the example that I was going to go use before there's been 968 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,200 like we have a really talented player like from high school he 969 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:46,120 was AI don't know all Allstate you know player type of player 970 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,120 he's really good and he he's struggling we've we've talked 971 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,480 about this whole process thing I like I'll ask him all the time 972 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,040 like hey man what adjustment do you think you needed to make 973 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,320 here or like what what just happened he'll he'll say to me a 974 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,280 ton I don't know. Like come on man, like we've 975 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,560 we've been over this of like what these things are. 976 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,600 And that's the thing like I don't when you get to that spot 977 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,400 of like, I don't know, you need to then ask yourself a different 978 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,600 question to begin to find answers. 979 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,160 It's about the questions you ask And so that's that's some of it 980 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,920 too of of helping guys. And then so the other day he was 981 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:26,720 struggling in BP and he he's sitting there and he's like 982 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,040 wants to talk. And he's like, you know what? 983 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,560 Never mind. I was like, hey man, like, 984 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,560 what's up? It's like, I don't, I don't know 985 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,320 what to do. Like I'm, I'm struggling. 986 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,080 I was like, in his last round, fortunately for for me, in his 987 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,000 last round he had one really good hit. 988 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,480 I was like, hey man, just do that. 989 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,920 And he was like, OK, But what he had changed is he went to a nose 990 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,760 tribe. So coach was at 30 feet, like 991 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,600 super close throwing BP. And I could tell that guys felt 992 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,960 like the ball was getting on them fast and whatever. 993 00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,160 Even though he wasn't throwing that hard and for him that day 994 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,160 was like, no stride was like, hey man, how about that's where 995 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,080 you had success, let's start there. 996 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,760 Your next round, I don't know if you're going to have more 997 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,160 success or not, but you want to try something like we know we 998 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:17,040 got an indication that, you know, there's more success over 999 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,120 there. And so that's kind of where I 1000 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,520 want to help players recognize, OK, today what is working. 1001 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,480 And if you can pick up on that become more attuned to that 1002 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,960 information and figure out how to utilize that because again 1003 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,120 we're in a dynamic state. So it's it's kind of like OK, if 1004 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,880 things are out of balance, where is where is that balance point, 1005 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,000 How do we move back to that? I'll use the, you know, the 1006 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,120 analogy of if you see like those bubble levels, right. 1007 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,640 So if we start to the the bubble starts to move too far to the to 1008 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,080 the right, well then maybe we got to start moving back to the 1009 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,800 left. And so to me, this is where it's 1010 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,040 not like. There's not this one answer. 1011 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,320 There is a answer for this moment. 1012 00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,160 It's not always hit the ball to the other side. 1013 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,720 It's not always hit the ball on the ground it. 1014 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,640 Those are things that you go to when other things aren't working 1015 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,680 and it's knowing when to use all these things. 1016 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,640 And so for me, that's that's my goal is to to actually help them 1017 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,320 master the art of, you know, playing the game. 1018 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,600 So another example is talking with another player who has had 1019 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,280 a. Who's a lot more smart, I guess 1020 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,520 you could say. And he challenged me because I 1021 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,000 was like, I I think this is a cool thing that I've come to 1022 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,640 understand through ecological dynamics. 1023 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,320 Turns out I'm not the first one to think of it, which is no 1024 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,200 shocker at all. But anyways, so like what 1025 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,680 dictates where the ball goes on the field? 1026 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,000 And we're kind of talking about that because he had the ball to 1027 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,240 center field and it went like 3, I don't know, 35360 or whatever. 1028 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,720 And it's an out. It's an out like rap. 1029 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,960 Soto had it as an out. Straight to center field. 1030 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,000 I was like, hey man, there's a well hit ball 90 miles an hour 1031 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,520 or more, but it's an out, You know, everybody's like, you 1032 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,080 know, wants to clap them up. It's like, yeah, you know, if 1033 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,080 you were grounding out and barely hitting the ball, I would 1034 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,040 like clap you up and be like, hey man, that's good. 1035 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:13,640 But it's like how let's just think about that it went 350 to 1036 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,200 360. If you hit that more if you 1037 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,200 don't hit it to center field and you hit it to one of the one of 1038 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,960 the corners. It's a home run. 1039 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,960 It's a double. You hit it to the, you hit the 1040 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,360 ball to the biggest part of the field. 1041 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,960 They don't get enough distance and enough carry at the right 1042 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,680 launch angle and the right exit below. 1043 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,520 Those tend to be out, especially the higher levels you go because 1044 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,840 the guy out there in center field is really super fast. 1045 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,720 So anyways that that's sort of the conversation of like is like 1046 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,320 well, how I can't you know determine where it goes was 1047 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,040 like, well, let's examine that a little bit. 1048 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,760 What determines where it goes? And so we started talking about 1049 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,120 bad angle and how like. If you start, if you can 1050 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,440 manipulate the angle of your bat a little bit, eye contact, you 1051 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,800 can then start to manipulate where the ball goes on the 1052 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,520 field. Maybe not exactly but if you if 1053 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,400 we don't ever work on it, how do we know? 1054 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,920 Right Like Chad, this is something that the argument that 1055 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,600 Caleb's been making for like, you know, work on edge pitches. 1056 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,480 So anyways, it got us into a long conversation of like, you 1057 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,560 know, being your own coach and so. 1058 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,040 Where I ended because he started to grasp this idea, I was like, 1059 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:28,400 OK, so where we're going with all this is you need to get to a 1060 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,360 place where now you're you're a boxer, you're an expert boxer, 1061 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,680 and now you're thinking about strategy. 1062 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,640 You're not just thinking about, like, OK, throwing good strikes 1063 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,240 and combos or whatever, but now you're thinking about the 1064 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,200 strategy within the game within the moment, right? 1065 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,760 Because he already picked up early in the conversation like 1066 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,200 well you know based upon this situation, this is what I do 1067 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,400 exactly. That's where we need to get to 1068 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,080 is based upon the situation of the game and start playing the 1069 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,600 game. Because when you start playing 1070 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,880 the game and understanding what's going on out there, it 1071 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,680 will dictate what your intention should be for this pitch, this 1072 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,040 at bat. You know now being able to 1073 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,680 utilize OK, bat, bat angle like OK based upon this situation and 1074 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,640 how what this guy is throwing. I'm just going to. 1075 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,880 I'm going to figure out how to drive it to the other field 1076 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,120 because that's going to score us to run. 1077 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,240 That's going to do something for us in this at bat, you know or 1078 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,520 you know what, There's nobody on. 1079 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,720 There's two outs. You know, I'm going to go for it 1080 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,640 right here. Like there's there's a time and 1081 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,400 place for you to just absolutely sell out and go for it. 1082 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,720 And so like being able to pick up on those strategies and like 1083 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,280 the game like that to me is the highest level of what it is that 1084 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,920 I'm trying to help guys get to is like the strategy part of it. 1085 01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,360 But you have to understand the nuances of of like how to make 1086 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,240 adjustments. Because to me, the way that I 1087 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,720 analogized it and analogized it to him is think about it like 1088 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,200 boxing, right? Like there is recognizing the 1089 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,160 strategy within the game within that and how you make 1090 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,600 adjustments to your opponent. And that to me is is what it is 1091 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,520 I'm trying to help guys get to in being their own coach. 1092 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,280 Yeah, the the one thing that comes to mind too. 1093 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,160 For me, recently I had a really cool moment. 1094 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,920 Where we're doing live at bats and I'm recording like literally 1095 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,160 15 feet from the hitter and we're looking at each swing like 1096 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,040 in real time between pitches, basically like he's not looking 1097 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,680 at it, but I am. And we've been working on 1098 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,200 something. You had mentioned it before 1099 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,920 about the kid who is going to like a no stride. 1100 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,480 So that this hitter that is I'm thinking of has more of a big 1101 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,840 stride, big leg kick, big forward move. 1102 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,680 And we've been trying to eliminate that in in the cage 1103 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,280 like in batting practice. And when we do that, everything 1104 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,320 looks really good. He hits the crap out of the 1105 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,880 ball, but when he gets in live at that, it kind of goes away 1106 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,680 and he goes back to more of an exaggerated forward move. 1107 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,880 And so, like, I literally caught it and I wish I had like, 1108 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,520 someone filming me with like a mic because it would be a viral 1109 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,680 video. But it's like, hey dude, real 1110 01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,920 quick, take a look. Look at how far you lunged at 1111 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,520 that ball. Like it was a take. 1112 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,120 And you know, look at how much you lunged on that take. 1113 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,440 So let's fix that. And it wasn't like immediate, 1114 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,800 but it was like after about four pitches later that at bat he got 1115 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,600 an outside corner slider, well spotted pitch and he took it to 1116 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,200 right field for a nice like 95 mile per hour single. 1117 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,560 And it's like that's something that he couldn't do at the 1118 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,520 beginning of that bat. So it does make me think too, 1119 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:27,080 like giving guys something like a real quick feedback with video 1120 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,080 or something, whether it's a queue, whatever. 1121 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,880 Just hey. Like remember this and then 1122 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,680 let's see if they can go and figure it out. 1123 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,640 Live at bats are a great, great way to do that. 1124 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,600 If you have like a controlled live at bat setting, it's 1125 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,960 really, really beneficial I think for hitters to get 1126 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,200 something to stick. Because you know, when it's in 1127 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,280 the cage it's more I guess easy for it to stick because it's a 1128 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,760 such a controlled environment where you have no negative 1129 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,000 repercussions at all, whereas in a live at bat scenario 1130 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,200 obviously. You can't control where the 1131 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,320 pitch is going to go, you can't control what pitch is going to 1132 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,560 come. So to me those those types of 1133 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:07,720 live at bat controlled scenarios if you will where you can make 1134 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,920 adjustments on the fly is really beneficial. 1135 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:19,080 There is one other thing to like to kind of loop back when guys 1136 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,760 are struggling. What I'm trying to do is give 1137 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,880 them a process to not lose their width because I think that's 1138 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,040 that's the the like to not feel helpless and that's that's where 1139 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:35,160 I think if you have something to work towards then you then you 1140 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,400 have some element of control, right. 1141 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,520 And that's where I'm trying to get put it back to like where 1142 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,080 they don't feel like they have any that they're completely 1143 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,520 helpless and they don't have any control over the situation. 1144 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,120 And I think that's that's part of the element of like trying to 1145 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,480 get them to be their own coach is now all of a sudden I'm 1146 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,280 handing control back to them. And because the situation is so 1147 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:56,720 dynamic and you know, in some ways very unpredictable, you 1148 01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,960 need to give them something to be able to go to. 1149 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,840 And that's because. So this is the other thing that 1150 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,360 I've been kind of thinking about. 1151 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,040 I was, I was there's, you know, I like watching martial arts 1152 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,080 videos and there's this one on, you know, should you get 1153 01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,920 involved in a fight, right. Like, you know, like a knife, 1154 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,080 like there's a knife involved, you know, if you like. 1155 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,760 Because in in both these scenarios, like it was 1156 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,480 interesting to see how people would respond. 1157 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,320 And what this guy was talking about is like, you respond based 1158 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,560 upon your training. So people who have had some sort 1159 01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,960 of fighting background end up fighting with a guy with a knife 1160 01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,760 thinking that they can actually do something where knives are 1161 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,680 super dangerous. Whereas, you know, people who 1162 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,440 like, don't have any sort of, like, fighting background, 1163 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,400 they're going to run away, you know? 1164 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,760 And so it was interesting to to hear, like, how much our 1165 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,960 training, like, went under pressure, right? 1166 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,640 We fall back to the level of our training. 1167 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:50,960 And because things are happening so quick. 1168 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,960 And that made me think a lot about the military and then also 1169 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,320 made me think about how important our training is. 1170 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,480 Because when guys get in these stressful situations, they're 1171 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,760 going to default back to what they're most comfortable with 1172 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:10,520 and what their environment has fostered for them and allowed 1173 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:11,920 them to do. And because they're going to 1174 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,240 find, you know, from ecological perspective, they're going to 1175 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,240 find their most functional way that they could interact with 1176 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,880 that in the past. And that's how they're going to 1177 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,680 interact with things in the future initially, right. 1178 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:27,720 And so that's where I've been thinking a lot about that of 1179 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:34,280 like, OK, how can we use some of the, the military way of 1180 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,840 training people? A little bit, not all of it 1181 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,240 because I don't want to take some of like the road stuff, but 1182 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,400 there are, there's certain procedures and that you can kind 1183 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,120 of standardize. Another way that I think about 1184 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,080 is like and giving them heuristics. 1185 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,120 There's certain heuristics like Chad, you have some you know of 1186 01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,640 like, you know focus on the target and then move fast, 1187 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,840 right. Those are those are some 1188 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,240 heuristics that a player can always default back to right 1189 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,760 under stress. And so like trying to come up 1190 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,280 with those like big picture things, you know, for example, 1191 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,200 like I'm, I thought about like OK, how do I start talking about 1192 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,680 adjustments to players in a way that kind of fits this, the way 1193 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,960 that I think about it and where I came to is the test, retest 1194 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,280 model because that to me is essentially what I'm doing like 1195 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:23,000 a player is doing, is OK You pick something, you test it and 1196 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,840 then you you see what happens. That's kind of your retest. 1197 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,280 Then you go back and you reiterate on that and if it 1198 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,440 works right, you let it rot. And so that's where, you know, 1199 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,800 kind of coming up with like these little like these big 1200 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,400 picture phrases or ideas that like like the idea of being a 1201 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,480 farmer, that they can take in and apply it to a whole bunch of 1202 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,480 different scenarios or it can be applied to a whole bunch of 1203 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:52,360 different scenarios. I was going to make the point, 1204 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,240 Garrett. That, and to the same point that 1205 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,840 Bill made, and I've written about this on Twitter before, is 1206 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,480 another another value of representative practice design 1207 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,960 and Representative learning environments. 1208 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,640 It's not that it connects the physical skill to the challenges 1209 01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,640 of the game. But it but it fosters the the 1210 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:17,279 one pitch at a time mentality like turning the page on a bad 1211 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,720 swing or a bad at bat is a skill in and of itself and something 1212 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,760 that we should be that we should do in practice you know and the 1213 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,120 closer this you can get it. Bill talks about live at bats. 1214 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:33,359 You know machine 95, that one pitch at a time mentality like 1215 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:37,640 turn the page bad swing swing and miss whatever these micro 1216 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,319 failures that that that we have along the way. 1217 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,359 Great hitters, great players, turn the page quickly. 1218 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,200 They don't dwell on it. They don't. 1219 01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,880 And if the only time that you're that you're meeting the 1220 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,760 challenge of the game is in the game, then not only your your 1221 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,560 skills not connected, but but your mind and mentality is not 1222 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,479 connected either. And like you say, I try to get 1223 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,439 players through this, but if your practice environment isn't 1224 01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:08,080 representative enough, then. They never practice this skill 1225 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,800 of of turning the pace, getting over, getting past it, moving on 1226 01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,439 to the next swing, the next pitch, whatever, you know, I 1227 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:19,439 I've said that to our guys is, is if you can't handle like if 1228 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,920 you can't handle it here off these inanimate objects, 1229 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,960 flinging baseballs at you. Like how are you going to handle 1230 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,359 it in the game when there's runners on 1st and 2nd and one 1231 01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,160 out in the 5th inning and your team is down to? 1232 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,720 And you swing in a 55 foot breaking pitch in the dirt. 1233 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,319 You're going to beat yourself up in that moment because your team 1234 01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:42,800 really needs you to to to to be as good as you can be in that 1235 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,319 moment. And if you can't turn the page, 1236 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,720 then you're not going to be. I think they. 1237 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,319 So that's my that's my point about representative practice 1238 01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:52,439 design. I think the other side of that 1239 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:57,400 coin is one of the things that I'm trying to do as a coach is 1240 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,960 demystify the success that a player has. 1241 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,000 Because I think a lot of times players have no idea why they're 1242 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,560 being successful. If you have no idea why you're 1243 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,200 being successful, then you'd have no idea how to get back 1244 01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,160 there. And so that that look at how. 1245 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,800 Good players walk on the Internet. 1246 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,960 They don't have any idea right but that but they. 1247 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,560 Knew they were. So they talk about what works 1248 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,040 for them and that's that's going to be to your point I think that 1249 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,840 you're making is. That's going to be unique for 1250 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,800 everybody. It is but I but and it. 1251 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,200 Might be wonky sometimes I think white bogs, white bogs or who 1252 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,480 ate chicken before every game? White bogs or or somebody. 1253 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,520 It's like if you got to eat chicken before every game to be 1254 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,000 good, man, eat chicken before every game have had it. 1255 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,200 But I think that, right? Like, that's part of why I want 1256 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,760 to try to demystify it a little bit. 1257 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,320 Because even that it's like, oh, it's a it's a superstition. 1258 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,800 It's like, no, it's a routine, and routines build comfort, 1259 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,240 right? And also there's other ideas 1260 01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,040 like cognitive activation, right? 1261 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,840 Like when you do certain things, it prepares you for the next 1262 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,720 thing that you're doing because it's associated. 1263 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,480 And so, like, that's what I mean by trying to demystify some of 1264 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:11,600 these things for people to understand, like, OK, how do I 1265 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,040 do this in a way that's not just superstitious, but in a way that 1266 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,320 I am in actually in control of it? 1267 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:18,960 Because it's, to me, a superstition. 1268 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,120 You're not in control. The superstition is, isn't, is 1269 01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,960 in control of you. And so that to me is like kind 1270 01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:30,320 of where I think the role of a coach is, is like we spend all 1271 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:34,160 this time we're like trying to learn the truth about how things 1272 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,000 really are. And so when a player is getting 1273 01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:41,400 jammed up and their their superstition is now becoming an 1274 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,600 an impediment for their performance of actually 1275 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,520 demystifying that and giving it its proper place again of like, 1276 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,920 no, no, dude, what you need is a routine that's that's what you 1277 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,400 need. But you also need to understand 1278 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,280 when your routine gets broken, you need to have a routine for 1279 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,480 that or you need to have a way to deal with that. 1280 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,840 And actually what you're looking for is maybe instead like 1281 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,960 cognitive activation of like being able to help switch your 1282 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,880 mind over and give you something that's that's more durable or 1283 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,840 more adaptable that will work in all these different situations. 1284 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:22,240 And so like that to me is we're like the the upper echelon you 1285 01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,680 could say of coaching is, is like those coaches who really 1286 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,240 have a. Because to me that's where like 1287 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,640 for example, I mean I don't I don't know for certain. 1288 01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,240 But I get the sense that like a a coach like at the professional 1289 01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,200 level like Donnie Ecker, like these guys or even like other 1290 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,000 managers who have been really good in the past, they're really 1291 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,720 good at managing the individual and like giving the individual 1292 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,360 what they need. And so that to me is like what a 1293 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,840 coach it is. It's not about, you could say 1294 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,920 like A1 size fits all type deal. It's it's I don't know to go 1295 01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,000 ecological. It's like being in tune with 1296 01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,280 with players and understanding where their current state is and 1297 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,840 being able attuned to the specifying information that 1298 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,800 they're giving off to know what they need. 1299 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:13,160 And so that that to me is like going back to the, it's like a 1300 01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,080 farmer again being attuned to your crops knowing what your 1301 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,200 crops need or what what's going to produce the the best yield 1302 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:30,960 for you that season. So we've we've gone for a good 1303 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,080 minute, we can keep going but it seems like a good, a good spot. 1304 01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,640 So is there any place that you guys would like to land the 1305 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:45,360 plane on? I am, I guess. 1306 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,440 For me, go ahead. Bill, you're good. 1307 01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:48,320 Sorry, go. Ahead, Chad. 1308 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,360 All right. But I would say, I guess for me 1309 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,640 that the one sticking point that I could give for listeners is, 1310 01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,480 you know, when you're in the cages or you know whatever 1311 01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:02,880 you're working on, it's easy to go the negative route. 1312 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,120 It's easy to say things I don't know. 1313 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,720 I don't know how to fix this. I can't fix this. 1314 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,920 Rather than that negativity, try to just be neutral. 1315 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,200 Try to just either shut up, don't say anything, or say 1316 01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,280 things like. I am going to figure this out. 1317 01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:18,640 I'm going to get this next pitch. 1318 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,400 I'm going to. You know I'm going to not. 1319 01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,960 I can't. To me, that's the best way to go 1320 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,680 about laying the foundation of all the words that we use as 1321 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:32,240 coaches and as a player, trying to self talk or self teach. 1322 01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:37,800 Whatever you're doing, Dad, you you were going to jump in there. 1323 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,280 OK, I got. Nothing else. 1324 01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,040 I got nothing else. I got to get on the road. 1325 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,120 I got to do a couple things before I get on the road. 1326 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,160 We don't talk about Marvel movies or energy drinks on your 1327 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,520 podcast. So I mean you can it might like 1328 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,840 that might be that might be somebody's thing. 1329 01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:04,160 I, you know, I, I, I, I've gone to the fountain, the fountain 1330 01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,480 Diet Coke. I just, I just feel the fountain 1331 01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:09,800 Diet Coke up in the morning. It's like a dollar. 1332 01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,680 Gives me the caffeine I need. Gives me the sweetness I need 1333 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,960 after the black coffee because I love the black coffee. 1334 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,160 But other than that, that's my go to in the morning. 1335 01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:21,600 Used to be a white monster month. 1336 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,600 It's like everything else in the plants gotten so darn expensive. 1337 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,640 That stopped the gas station and $5 out of here. 1338 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,560 I got a monster in my hand. It's like I can just get the 1339 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,680 fountain Diet Coke and it's a dollar and I'm good. 1340 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,480 I get the same caffeine and I'm good. 1341 01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:36,880 There's a hack for for all those that's always. 1342 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,320 Scared. I appreciate how you feel. 1343 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,160 Yeah, it was great to meet you. Marvel. 1344 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,200 We that's a whole another podcast. 1345 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,000 OK. We could we not go down there? 1346 01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:49,280 Nice to meet you, Bill. Robert. 1347 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,600 Always good. Thanks for having me back, man. 1348 01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,320 I'm like a veteran of this podcast. 1349 01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,840 I'm like the. Caleb Abby of of this podcast. 1350 01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,680 Caleb's been on my podcast like three times. 1351 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,440 I didn't get him back on here. I've got to. 1352 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,520 Find some time. I got to find some time to get 1353 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,920 my podcast. Back going just because, but I 1354 01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:11,080 find myself. Building spinners all day every 1355 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:16,080 day now or swing speed stick and and taking my kids to practice 1356 01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,840 or going to. I'm always going somewhere. 1357 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,440 There's no more hours in the day. 1358 01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:24,360 I feel ya I feel ya. I guess I, I I did want to at 1359 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:28,280 least wrap with with this of I hope like people's take away is 1360 01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:33,040 that we we don't want we want to think of want to think about 1361 01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,680 growth in in terms of the long term and that it takes time. 1362 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,000 I mean I think that to me is like the biggest take away of 1363 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,800 this whole conversation and start thinking about things from 1364 01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,840 like a farmer's perspective at least that's that's what I would 1365 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,080 try to wrap on. Robert, you got anything that 1366 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,520 you want to wrap on? No I? 1367 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,240 You basically took the words out of my mouth. 1368 01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,800 It takes time. I mean for all of our 1369 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,400 individual. Strengths and what we do. 1370 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:02,760 It took time, you know, Bill, for power development, it took 1371 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,800 time. Me for coding, it took time. 1372 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,560 Chad and Garrett, for ecological dynamics, it took time. 1373 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,400 It's not like, oh, you know, I'm going to start reading on 1374 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,840 ecological dynamics and then tomorrow I'll be an expert. 1375 01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,880 It's going to, it's going to take time to be good at 1376 01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,000 something. You can't like anything in life, 1377 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,280 you can't just pick up your guitar one day and just start, 1378 01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:25,440 you know, playing like a Jimmy Page the very next day. 1379 01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:27,320 So. It's the whole reason why they 1380 01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,240 say you got to get into the weeds, you know. 1381 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,400 And so anyways, hope you all enjoyed today's podcast.