1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,800 Welcome back to Finding the Edge podcast. 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,000 I'm Garrett Poem joined with Kyle Dupic. 3 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:27,240 Something to discuss today, just given all the different 4 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,000 conversations we've been having. I think a lot of it all comes 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,160 back to, all right, transfer of training, the basic principles 6 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:38,080 of transfer of training, because all the questions revolve around 7 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,920 practice. What are we doing in practice? 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,160 What about this thing? What about that thing, and 9 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,960 should we do it? How should we modify it or what 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,480 should we be doing? And to me, it all comes back to 11 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:56,960 the principles of transfer of training and then and or 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,960 flipping it back to understanding the performance 13 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:08,200 environment and even to building off of something that Sean 14 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,600 Mishka really talks a lot about is putting yourself in the shoes 15 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:17,760 of the athlete. And and so to me, the only way 16 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,240 to really be able to in in some ways put yourself in the shoes 17 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,040 of the athlete in some ways is also to have been there 18 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,320 yourself. And yes, if an athlete can tell 19 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:30,680 you, you can do the best you can of like imagining yourself in 20 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,880 those situations. But by and large, for the most 21 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,440 part, even for myself, I, I feel like the more that I have 22 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,760 stepped into the, the been a part of the practice task. 23 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,320 Meaning, for example, often Times Now I'm I'm ABP thrower 24 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,440 And so and, and also having been a player that's really, really 25 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,720 struggled and been awful and terrible. 26 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,360 Having to figure out how to overcome those things helps me 27 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,040 put myself in the athletes shoes, both when both from the 28 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,240 times where I've had success myself and then also when I have 29 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,720 struggled and failed. And so having both of those 30 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,960 experiences has given me insight into being able to think about, 31 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,600 OK, what is going on in the performance environment. 32 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,920 And then how can how can I help that athlete? 33 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,240 And partially because of like what's helped me. 34 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:33,120 And so as someone who has been diving into ecological dynamics, 35 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,680 for me personally, I felt like it's really helped explain 36 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,880 things and then helped me hone in on what is important and 37 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,120 gives me a fuller picture of like how everything kind of fits 38 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,800 together. Yeah, we've been talking about 39 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:49,400 some of the basics of ecodynamics. 40 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,680 And as somebody who's really only been engaging deeply with 41 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,960 this content for now year and a half, one of the things that 42 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:05,680 became that I became aware of or I noticed was how it not that 43 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:11,600 they're different things, but that this idea of, you know, in 44 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,560 light of transfer of training, some people seem to be running 45 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,760 at the CLA, the constraint LED approach side of it using 46 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,040 constraints, you know, physical and rules and whatnot, 47 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,080 environments, etcetera. And then other people were 48 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,800 running hard after representative learning design 49 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,920 and and still others are mixing those. 50 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,440 But it definitely seemed like those were spoken about as not 2 51 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,960 separate things that couldn't mix, but definitely 2 separate 52 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,240 things at times two different. Like you could make something 53 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,560 more representative and not necessarily be working as hard 54 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,600 to manipulate constraints and vice versa. 55 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,800 It could, it could not be representative at all, but 56 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,720 you're really manipulating constraints to try to help them 57 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,840 explore the solution space. So I'd be interested in transfer 58 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,400 of training. Maybe The thing is to zoom in on 59 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,160 either one of those for a minute, kind of define what the 60 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,800 difference between those two things are, how they're nested 61 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,480 within an ecological worldview, and then talk about why or how 62 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,880 are some examples of how those things might help with transfer 63 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,640 of training. Yeah. 64 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,240 And I think this goes back to one of our other conversations 65 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:34,960 of the practice environment in the context often times is quite 66 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,760 different from the actual game environment. 67 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:44,080 And one thing that ecological dynamics kind of begins to talk 68 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,120 about is the fact of the sensitivity that the system has 69 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,680 or rather the way a system behaves is based upon the 70 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,920 constraints that are placed upon it. 71 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,640 And so because the constraints, basically the, the environment 72 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,000 and the constraints that are within the practice environment 73 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,680 are different from that of the performance environment. 74 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,040 You may not see the things that you, the behavior, the 75 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,520 movements, the actions, etcetera, that you see in 76 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,160 practice may not show up in the game. 77 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,200 And vice versa, what you see in the game may not show up in 78 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,160 practice. And so we've all experienced 79 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,920 this where where a guy, you know, does really, really well 80 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,320 in practice, then you put him in the game and he really 81 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,760 struggles. You also see that same player 82 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,800 who does really well in the game struggle and practice. 83 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,040 And so this to me, like ecological dynamics explains why 84 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,200 that is that we see these things in our minds as coaches. 85 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,400 We want to reward the the, the good, the hard work. 86 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,800 You know, we want, we want to reward the buy in that players 87 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,920 have in the practice setting. And we and we hope that that 88 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,600 sets them up for success. But sometimes I remind myself of 89 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:04,760 like, like, OK, it's not so much about the always to be the 90 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,640 mechanical behavior, you know, in terms of the movements all 91 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:13,640 the time or even the fact of like, OK, I know for example, my 92 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:20,680 for for hitters, the machine setup that I have is way way. 93 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,120 It's, it's, it's leaving a lot to be desired as far as, OK, I 94 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,880 got multiple machines here. They're not necessarily set up 95 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,240 at the right angles. They're not set up at the right 96 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,440 heights. The velocity is not right, the 97 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,800 movement isn't right. The sequence, all this sort of 98 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,320 stuff is just not right. But at the end of the day, for 99 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,560 me, it's actually more about, or rather in our previous 100 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,320 discussion, it was asking the question of like, OK, what 101 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:53,040 transcends these practice environments into the game? 102 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,760 You know, what is this thing that becomes the bridge or the 103 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,760 through line that helps us transcend the the fact that 104 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,600 things are different, you know, the practice environment to the 105 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,720 game environment, vice versa. And so for me, it comes back to 106 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,120 this whole notion of problem solving. 107 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,960 If, if skill is a search and a search to converge onto a 108 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,000 functional solution, the, the athletes that are better at 109 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,320 adapting and searching and honing in on a solution are 110 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,600 going to have success in my mind, or going to be able to, to 111 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,160 be more adaptable and all that sort of stuff. 112 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:35,040 And so for me, it's actually trying to figure out what are 113 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,680 these things that kind of transcend it. 114 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:44,120 And so a lot of it goes back to in some ways it actually you're, 115 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,680 you're starting to even again, look at the more intangible 116 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,600 things, the things that are a little bit harder to measure 117 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,400 because these to me are the things that transcend in a way. 118 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:59,560 So for example, in one of our other episodes, we talked about 119 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,000 intention and the role of intention and the importance of 120 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,640 intention. So to me, intent is something 121 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,680 that transcends or that you can take from the practice 122 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,240 environment to the game environment. 123 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:18,000 So to me, like it's it's the in some ways the mental side are 124 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,880 some of the things that you can you can actually port over from 125 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,520 one spot to the next. And really what you're trying to 126 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,680 do in my mind of like, OK, because even though the 127 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,520 representativeness is never going to be scaled at 100, 128 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,440 because even if you were inner squad and you're scrimmaging, 129 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,200 that's still not the same as a game when you're playing against 130 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:42,320 an outside opponent with an umpire, you know, like that, 131 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,640 that changes the whole dynamic. It's not the same as 132 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,280 scrimmaging. And so again, and it's not the 133 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,960 same as having fans. It's not the same as, you know, 134 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,960 playoffs. It's not the all these sort of 135 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,920 things, right? So because of that, really what 136 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,400 you're trying to do within practice is create these 137 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,520 different. You're trying to, in my mind, 138 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:05,720 you're trying to have them go through different experience, 139 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,440 different things where they're going through these different 140 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,640 processes, where they're honing their process of converging on 141 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,440 solutions and finding success. And sometimes that does look 142 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,640 like what we've talked about in the past of exploration. 143 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,960 You're exploring, you're trying to learn how to gather 144 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,080 information, how to become sensitive to that information, 145 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,800 and then how to take that information and exploit it and, 146 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,440 or find ways to couple your movement to it to have 147 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,400 functional outcomes. And so for me, that's, that's 148 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,800 initially kind of how I'm, I'm thinking about it as far as 149 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,080 like, you know, how am I transcending the fact that even 150 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,320 if my, my best representative practice environment may still 151 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,160 be not enough. So what are the things that 152 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,640 transcend? And so the thing that I'm going 153 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,000 to kind of try to land the plane on is This is why I think as 154 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,200 frustrating as it is to me in some ways, but it's humbling in 155 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,640 a good way of like, I've actually learned more from the 156 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,160 people that I think are wrong often times than the people that 157 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,920 I agree with. And here's where I'm going with 158 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:12,560 this, because I think the thing that transcends often times is 159 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:17,760 culture, right? Teams with good culture often 160 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,120 times outperform those who are doing all the technical things 161 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,080 correctly. Now, a good a good a team with 162 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,640 good culture also does the technical things well, but they 163 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,520 may not do it as well as another team that really heavily focuses 164 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,400 on it. And and the reason why I think 165 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,960 the culture team wins is going back to kind of loop this in of 166 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,760 like they're the their thing actually transcends their 167 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,040 practice environment. It it can transfer over to the 168 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,360 game environment. And so that that's at least my 169 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,200 thought process of like where things start to like the old 170 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,840 school, you could say the softer skills really in my mind are the 171 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,840 separators when it comes to the execution of these things. 172 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:11,440 I think it's important to point out that, you know, sometimes it 173 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,000 feels like if you're just stepping into this world, that 174 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:21,880 this idea of making things more representative, One side of the 175 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:27,600 coin that I've seen is it's always better to turn up the 176 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,120 representative scale. It's always better for it to 177 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,000 look, feel and act more like the game. 178 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,320 And I think in general that's true, but not always. 179 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,480 And I think we one example that pops for me right away was when 180 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,440 I was a school teacher and had a young man who played basketball 181 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,640 on the weekends for AAU tournament. 182 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,960 He'd always want to come back and tell me how he did. 183 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,760 And so he'd tell me all the points he scored and all the 184 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,400 things he did, and I'd always ask him the same question. 185 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,360 I go, did you ever like finish on the left side with your left 186 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,200 hand and you go, no, like, why does that matter? 187 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,640 And, and like, I was trying to guide him a little bit to be 188 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:12,880 like, because when you go play in these environments where the 189 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,880 performance is really important for him, he's playing really 190 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,360 good competition. He's going to go back to the 191 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,960 things that work for him, the attractor states, the things 192 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,200 that he's comfortable with that he's done over and over that he 193 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,600 will find success with. He won't try to use his left 194 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:36,840 hand, his weak hand, his offhand to become a more well-rounded 195 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,040 player. And, and I think that's the 196 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,880 purpose at, you know, like can we create environments that help 197 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,360 the athlete explore different things, build and an abundance 198 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,640 of, of movement solutions regardless of their sport? 199 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,800 And while we're doing that, can we turn the representativeness 200 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,000 up a bit, recognizing that maybe we as coaches don't always have 201 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,360 perfect control over that, as you just identified. 202 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,400 So I just want to at least put that in there quick to say if 203 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,680 you heard what Garrett just said and you said, oh, so it has to 204 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,480 has to be just like the game all the time. 205 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,680 No, it's just we're probably pushing back more on the more 206 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,000 drill based like that doesn't look like the game at all. 207 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,880 And so can we turn that up and make it look a little different. 208 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,520 A lot of times we have to take them out of the game in order to 209 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,080 immerse them in an environment where they're going to work on 210 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,720 the things that they are struggling with. 211 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,520 That's exactly what's happening, I think with where actually 212 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,280 representative learning design and the constraint LED approach 213 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,680 sort of coalesce is. I'm trying to put constraints on 214 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:45,200 my players based off the things that they need to work on while 215 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,200 keeping the environment as similar as I possibly can to the 216 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,280 game so I'll have better transfer training. 217 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,120 Yeah. And I think there's a couple of 218 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:03,560 things. One, I think we we'll see. 219 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,400 I'm sorry to lose my trying to do 2 things at once. 220 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,960 One, I think we should probably go over and cover like what are 221 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:18,880 the what are the principles for representative practice design 222 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:24,160 or learning design? These like there's two, there's 223 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,600 two main things that that that play into representative 224 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,760 learning design. One is functionality and that's 225 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,400 the the degree to which the same specifying information is 226 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,320 available as it would be in competition. 227 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,760 And then two, action fidelity, the degree to which practice 228 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,080 movements are similar to the movements performed in 229 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,840 competition or in the game. And what's really interesting to 230 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,800 me on that last point specifically is if you go and 231 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,360 look, I remember when ZAP first came out and they had all these 232 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,520 pro hitters that they had used for their models and all this 233 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,640 sort of stuff. And you go and you watch any pro 234 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,240 guy, not any, but like the majority of pro guys must use 235 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,800 Mike Trout as an example. The way he swings in BP is not 236 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,360 at all what what his swing looks like in a game. 237 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,200 And I think for me, that's a really interesting thing because 238 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,400 then you're like, OK, So what is transferring there? 239 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,240 Yeah, OK. Some of it might be feels this 240 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,360 and that or whatever. But like, even I saw today on 241 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,120 Twitter, Glass now talking about, you know, being back and 242 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,840 and pitching again. And he was talking about, you 243 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,960 know, yeah, maybe I'll focus on mechanics and practice and might 244 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,720 be butchering this. But his main thing was like, 245 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,640 once I get to the game, I'm not thinking about any of that. 246 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,480 I'm just trying to be as athletic as I can be. 247 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,960 And so to me, that then says because most of these guys, 248 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,640 right, when they're playing their best, they're not really 249 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,680 up there thinking too much. They might have some specific 250 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,040 intentions that they are they're focused on. 251 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:05,360 You know, with Mike Trout, I heard that for him, his approach 252 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,280 was basically if the ball's away, I'm going to hit a line 253 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,360 drive over the second baseman's head and if it's in, I'm going 254 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,160 to hit a line drive over the shortstop set. 255 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,640 You know, I've also heard that he's there, the trash can out in 256 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,800 left center. Like he aims for that, right? 257 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,920 So like his, his thoughts or intentions are pretty minimal. 258 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,360 He's not sitting there thinking about mechanics. 259 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,560 And so that's where to me it becomes like, OK, how much are 260 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,560 these fields and these different things that we're doing in 261 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,640 practice? How much do they actually 262 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,520 matter? Like how much is it actually 263 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,320 transferring? Because if you go back to the, 264 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:49,840 the, the, the 8020 rule, OK, 20% of what you do derives 80% of 265 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,720 the results that you get and then 80% of what you do gets you 266 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,400 the last 20. So that makes me wonder how like 267 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,680 really it's a small, it's a small set of things that are 268 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,040 actually getting you most of the results. 269 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,520 It's probably the things that look and feel a lot more like 270 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,960 the game rather than that those things that don't. 271 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,720 And so that just says to me of like, OK, why is it that a guy 272 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,359 looks great, like we talked about before in practice in BP 273 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,960 and he gets in the game and that doesn't show up, right? 274 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,200 Those movements, those moves don't show up in the game. 275 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,440 OK, So this this to me comes back to all right, maybe maybe 276 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,920 the specifying information going back to functionality, maybe the 277 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,720 specifying information was not their present, enabling them to 278 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:45,440 couple their movement to 1A to pick up and then two or B, then 279 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,680 they can't use that to shape their movement. 280 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,520 So now you're missing those things and that's why the 281 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,760 movement doesn't look the same. And so to me, this is where we 282 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,920 have to start to think about our practice when we're doing our 283 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,160 practice design and we're actually implementing our 284 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,200 practices. I mean, these are some like, I 285 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,280 know I'm saying something that like all good coaches are like, 286 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,800 well, duh, I want this to look like the game, like you need to 287 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,240 take it serious. Just walk through, you know, 288 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,080 what the the reps and all that sort of stuff. 289 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,920 And that's, that's where to me, like we need to reiterate that 290 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,080 more and more of like, OK, so then maybe though, if, if the 291 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,840 athlete isn't moving in a way that looks game like, then maybe 292 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,920 we need to tweak our practice design. 293 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,080 We need to tweak our practice activity. 294 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,400 We make some changes, do some constraint manipulation to start 295 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,280 to trying to search and defined the right constraints or the 296 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:49,680 right setup within our in our practice activity so that it is 297 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,480 so that the the athletes movements start to look and more 298 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,120 like the game. So for me, that's that's one of 299 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:01,800 the things that I'm always keeping in the back of my mind 300 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,800 is like, OK, what is what's going on there? 301 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,280 Now the second point, I want to kind of now that we've kind of 302 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:13,240 established that I think that's non controversial and I'm going 303 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:18,160 to sort of I think we need everything is about knowing 304 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,880 where it lives and breathes, right? 305 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:22,200 It's it's about where does all this fit? 306 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,840 When do we use it and what situations and all that sort of 307 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,880 stuff. So I want to now throw something 308 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,440 else in there in here to moderate this because if we're 309 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,760 always at really high representativeness, maybe our 310 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:40,600 exploration, we're not able to explore as much things are too 311 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,560 rigid, right? You start looking at something 312 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,280 like banana ball, right? All of a sudden now there's, 313 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,000 there's a lot more exploration that's going on now. 314 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,960 A lot of that stuff may not come back, but this gets into going 315 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:03,200 back to all right, trying to build, what is it abundance? 316 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:04,680 What is the term that you used before? 317 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,000 Like building a big bigger toolbox, right? 318 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,360 So I'm, I want to build a bigger toolbox. 319 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,520 I want to have more movement options, more ways of moving, 320 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,320 all that sort of stuff. Then maybe we need to actually 321 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,080 open it up, loosen things a little bit, make him less 322 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,120 representative so that we can do more exploration so that we 323 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,400 become more sensitive to to the information in the environment. 324 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,800 In our other, in a, in another podcast that we, we did around 325 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:35,080 John Verbaki and, and he was talking about machine learning 326 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,200 and neural networks and how a lot of models will will overfit 327 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,040 to the data and you need to introduce some noise so that you 328 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,640 don't overfit to, to the data and you can actually drive 329 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,800 proper insights. The same thing is true here when 330 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,880 it comes to practice. If we're always doing the same, 331 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:57,880 same things over and over again, we fall into different sort of 332 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,560 attractor states, patterns, natural patterns, and we start, 333 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,520 we stop exploring. And so to me, this is where at 334 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,840 times we actually need to maybe switch some things up. 335 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,160 So those are kind of my, my initial thoughts on, you know, 336 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,920 when we're talking about transfer of training, 337 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,880 representative practice design and then also exploration, 338 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,560 'cause these to me these are like the three pillars of like 339 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:32,560 player development. I have heard the, you know, the 340 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,600 phrase slices of the game was something that the folks over 341 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,920 emergency use a lot. And I think that it's easy to 342 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:47,680 the miss that a slice of the game is not a slice of the game, 343 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,600 so to speak, if it doesn't have some of the things that you're 344 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,560 talking about there, the functionality and the action 345 00:21:54,560 --> 00:22:00,920 fidelity. So keeping it on my phase of the 346 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,920 game that the pitchers, just because I'm doing a three to 1 347 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,280 and everybody's taking a Rep, that's not a slice of the game. 348 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,240 They know what's going to happen. 349 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,120 They're not making a pitch. There is no goal, there is no 350 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,480 connecting to any information that would cause me to have to 351 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,400 execute a pitch then get over. That's not a slice of the game 352 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,120 in the way that they're talking about you're. 353 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,240 Talking about a PFPA three to 1 is. 354 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,080 Yeah, a traditional pitcher's fielding practice kind of just 355 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,040 doing the same thing over and over. 356 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,160 It might look like a piece of the game, right? 357 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,480 It might look like something that happens, but it's 358 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,640 completely decontextualized from how that thing actually emerges. 359 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,200 And so the question becomes, well, we need to work on that 360 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,800 and it doesn't happen very often. 361 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,520 So how do we do that? And so for me, like part of that 362 00:22:54,520 --> 00:23:00,120 is if if I don't have a catcher, I don't have a good situation to 363 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,880 have the the pitcher throw a baseball. 364 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,040 That would be my first choice is that we would still have some 365 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,680 sort of goal consequence point system where they still have a 366 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,920 goal of they just throwing a strike. 367 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,160 Maybe I don't have a batter and I need to control more. 368 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,200 I need to get more reps, you know, because we know that like 369 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,320 obviously that helps. Obviously seeing that thing more 370 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,760 and more and experiencing it more and more is going to help. 371 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,240 So let's just say I don't have that. 372 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,160 I don't have a catcher and I can't connect it. 373 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,040 That is a piece that's important. 374 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,000 Well then at the very least I'm going to do something like not 375 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,920 let them know exactly what's happening, right? 376 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,600 Like maybe I would hit it over there or maybe I would squirt a 377 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,960 bunt, or maybe I'll just hit the ball to a totally different 378 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,880 place. Like they wouldn't necessarily 379 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,520 know what's coming. Maybe I would put base runners 380 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,040 on at different places and have the balls hit to different 381 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,240 places. Is that perfect, perfectly 382 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,800 representative? Of course not. 383 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:02,280 But I think it starts to get towards what we're talking 384 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,360 about, that the slice of the game is trying to turn up the 385 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:10,640 representativeness so that there is at least some specifying 386 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,440 information that is similar to the game and that it is looking 387 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,640 similar to game movements. So often what we see is a fake 388 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,240 pitch and then just jogging over and and it's not the same. 389 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:25,520 And so I think that that's also a piece that probably needs to 390 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,640 be highlighted, is that a slice of the game is going to have 391 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,080 exactly what you talked about. It's going to have, you know, 392 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,640 functionality and action fidelity in those two different 393 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,320 areas. One of the other things too that 394 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,400 I was kind of thinking about when I was trying to look up 395 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:47,480 here is there we also I think when it comes to the practice 396 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,080 design itself, I think because we're all limited by time, 397 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,760 right? And so it's like a question of 398 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,760 like, because I was thinking about this today, right? 399 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,320 The first time we run through something and rather, OK, I'm 400 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:06,120 going to back this up. We myself and Baker take a lot 401 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,640 of inspiration and even Sean and others take a lot of inspiration 402 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:16,080 from parkour and, and, you know, capoeira and all these other 403 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:23,160 sort of movement disciplines. And with them, like there's, 404 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,880 there's a level of man, I'm losing my, my mind here. 405 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,200 My apologies. I don't remember where I was 406 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,000 going with this. Did have to do with like, oh 407 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,360 man, it's a good thing that we might not be releasing this one. 408 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,560 You'll just have to chop it up like crazy. 409 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,120 Yeah, I suppose. Oh, OK. 410 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:57,320 So when it comes to to like other other movement practices 411 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,800 such as parkour and capoeira and these other things that both 412 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,640 Baker and I have drawn inspiration from, what you learn 413 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,120 when you are trying to begin to learn new movements, you're 414 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,520 starting to you're starting to try to interact with your 415 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,440 environment. You don't start going full bore, 416 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,240 right? You will do a couple of like 417 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,840 slower speeds, run UPS, just kind of feel it out and that 418 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,960 sort of thing. So to me that's like your base 419 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,560 level, it's a little bit of exploration. 420 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,320 It's, it's a lot slower, it's a lot more, it's a lot less 421 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,760 variable, although that you can try it in a few different ways, 422 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,240 all that sort of stuff. And I was thinking about it 423 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,600 today as we're doing some of our, our defensive work and 424 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,080 we're, we're implementing different plays. 425 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,800 It's like, OK, it's sometimes nice to actually walk through 426 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,520 something first rather than just do the whole thing, have it be 427 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,480 live and trying to figure it out because there's just so much 428 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,280 information. You have no idea where to 429 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,240 attend, where to go, any of that sort of thing. 430 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,440 And so it, it kind of comes back to you need this initial 431 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,880 constraint of an example and that starts to guide your 432 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,520 movement, guide your actions. And then from there you can 433 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,440 start to explore off of that. And so to me, like there's this 434 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,200 progression that goes on in, in terms of practice of like, OK, 435 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,880 where, where are we and what do we want to, how we want to start 436 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,120 interacting with things? Because I think eco D has in 437 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,040 some ways, rightly, because this has been the predominant way of 438 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,480 doing things and to try to break people out of this of like just 439 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,080 this mass, I think it's mass practice. 440 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,840 What's a just constant practice, right? 441 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,800 Of like doing the same thing over and over and over again 442 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,720 with this idea of drilling it when you, when you start to 443 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,200 think about it, Well, one, the research shows that the 444 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,640 stickiness of doing things over and over and over and over and 445 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,160 over again, it's basically, I mean, we've all experienced 446 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,640 this, that what you're doing is cramming. 447 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,480 So how much of all of the tests that you've crammed for, how 448 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,280 much information do you remember after the test? 449 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,640 Like not very much, right? And So what they find is that if 450 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,640 you want learning that's going to stick around for longer and 451 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,240 to transfer and across different situations and experiences, 452 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,120 etcetera, that you actually want to space things out, you want to 453 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,800 allow some level of forgetting to occur. 454 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,080 And so I think we have to part of like this idea and this 455 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,600 notion of like creating some variability allows for some 456 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,560 forgetting. And I think that element needs 457 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,680 to get played in. But at the same point where I've 458 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,480 come to with this whole notion of, OK, every Rep needs to be 459 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,160 different. I think there's, there's a flaw 460 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,440 in that. There's a flaw in that thinking. 461 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,560 Not because, because I don't think we, we, we quite always 462 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,360 those of us who are in the ecological world and, and all 463 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,000 the sort of, oh, what's the word? 464 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,160 I'm looking for all the rhetoric that's out there. 465 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,560 I, I, I, I think rather we don't appreciate that eco deep 466 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,320 principles are always present all the time. 467 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,760 They're always acting and the, the whole notion of Rep without 468 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:27,880 Rep is true even when you are doing the same thing or even 469 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,440 when you're doing constant practice doing the same, like 470 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,080 you're drilling the same thing over and over and over again. 471 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,360 Self organization is still present, it's still active, it's 472 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760 still working. And Rep without Rep is still 473 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,760 happening. It's still active and it's still 474 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,960 working. So, and, and so to me, it's like 475 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:51,600 actually, if we don't rather it gives us an opportunity. 476 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,000 Cause when we go back to what we've talked about before of the 477 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000 importance of intention, right? What's our intention when it 478 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,480 comes to doing these different types of activities? 479 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,280 Whether it's constant practice of like, I'm just trying to feel 480 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,640 the straight up ground ball over and over again. 481 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,680 I'm trying to throw my fastball, whatever middle, etcetera, or 482 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,960 I'm just trying to throw, let me throw 5 fastballs here. 483 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,280 I think you can still apply ecological principles in 484 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,320 constant practice. And I actually think there's 485 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,400 value to it of doing that. And so that's actually where my 486 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,880 mind is kind of changed a little bit and where I kind of wanted 487 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,520 to, to start challenging some things because we like I, the, 488 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,040 the, the language or the rather the rhetoric that you hear. 489 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,680 And that what we're, where we get knocked is like, Oh, you 490 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,080 guys just do a bunch of random stuff. 491 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,600 Like all your stuff is all about just being random. 492 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,000 It's like that actually, there's a time and place for that. 493 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,000 You know, some of the some of the stuff that I've I've run 494 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,120 across too isn't necessarily from eco D, but one on just 495 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,600 learning right. And in learning, if you wanted 496 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:08,280 to get really good at art history, you would think and the 497 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,680 way most people study is just to study one era at a time. 498 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,240 But if you actually want to get good at picking out what era art 499 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600 is from, you actually need to study multiple eras at once, 500 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,680 because then you can start to notice the differences. 501 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,560 And so I say all that or there's there's other study about like 502 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,720 learning music or a song or whatever and just doing like 503 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,040 small strips, like of the sheet music. 504 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,240 And all of a sudden you get much better at all these different 505 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,400 types of things. And so there's, there's a level 506 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,480 of, yes, you do need some structure and randomness can 507 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,880 help create some level of flexibility and you can actually 508 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,320 start to see patterns when you do that. 509 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,240 But at some level, what I've also experienced is that that 510 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,600 guys can sometimes struggle when you go back to something that is 511 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,840 just a pattern. And so you also have to it. 512 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,240 Well, I wanted to share this one video cause this one person I 513 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,760 was listening to, he was talking about how, and he's also an 514 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,680 artist and this is interesting, right? 515 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,560 He was used. He, he was saying that. 516 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,360 What was it? No, I didn't pull this up. 517 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,160 What's this clip? Repetition is the soil in which 518 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,920 spontaneity is birthed, is what he said. 519 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,120 And it's, and he's talking about like kind of in a way doing the 520 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,560 same thing over and over and over and over again. 521 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,440 And when you start to like when you look at something like dance 522 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,920 and flow stuff, really when you start breaking it down, dance is 523 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,320 just a bunch of repeated patterns. 524 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,520 And when I was learning swing dance, I thought I was doing 525 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,240 something really boring. But when you start thinking 526 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,560 about it more to, to somebody who's watching it, they're like, 527 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,320 oh, wow, that's kind of, that's really cool. 528 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,720 And so like, I just strung together a bunch of like basic 529 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,160 moves. And that's kind of the thing 530 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,480 once you look at like the animal flow, guys, I don't think animal 531 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,120 flow is the right word, But you know, the, the movement flow, 532 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,760 not, not the baseball 1, but like the, the, the fitness type 533 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,120 people, their stuff. They're just like spins and 534 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,760 different things. And it's just like repeated 535 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,360 patterns. And through that, though, they 536 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,800 create some very, very creative things. 537 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,560 And so I say all that to say is that actually I'm starting to re 538 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:37,560 think about, are we really super anti repetition? 539 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,920 Like do we actually need to moderate that, you know, because 540 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,200 people in the past have found that, well, when I, when I 541 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,240 practice a bunch of, you know, throwing more fastballs, I tend 542 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,240 to throw my fastball better. You know, when I practice this, 543 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,640 you know, if I want to get feel for my change up, well, I'm not, 544 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,960 I'm going to eliminate all these other pitches and I'm so that I 545 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,760 basically have to throw more change UPS, right? 546 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,080 Or like, I think it was like Johann Santana, in order for him 547 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,960 to learn his change up or whatever, they just basically 548 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,880 told him, you're going to throw nothing other than change UPS, 549 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,960 right? And so like, I guess that's 550 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,360 there's that clearly helped him in some way. 551 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,920 So I I think we have to, we have to, we have to have an account 552 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:26,199 for that. Yeah, I would add that one thing 553 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:32,440 I've noticed since applying this is when you're applying it with, 554 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,719 you know, my team, for example, my pitchers, etcetera, your 555 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:46,199 group, it feels like when you start talking about the 556 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,880 principles of not doing the same thing the same way over and over 557 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,480 and over again, because that's not actually what emerges in the 558 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,520 game when you look at it with a, you know, fine tooth comb, so to 559 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,440 speak. What tends to happen is let's 560 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,600 just take catch play, for example, what you do, you know, 561 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,480 all your in fielders are doing it, outfielders, etcetera. 562 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,520 All your pitchers are doing it before they go to the bullpen, 563 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,680 they're going to go play catch play. 564 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,800 And whether you're, you know, a proponent of certain distances 565 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,680 or Alan Jagger or whatever, right, like there's this form or 566 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,880 this structure that a lot of people put in. 567 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,280 So when I institute something like we want to have more 568 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,720 athletic catch play, we we don't want to just be robots the whole 569 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:36,920 time, but we want to move and flow and do different things. 570 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,000 What tends to happen is that guys feel like every throw has 571 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,600 to be 180° different than the one before. 572 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,800 And that's been frustrating for me because that's not actually 573 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,880 what's happening during the game. 574 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,600 I want to acknowledge that. I think exploring way beyond and 575 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,040 even just slightly beyond what they're experiencing as a 576 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,360 pitcher still has crucial, important benefits. 577 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,120 But for instance, yesterday during practice, because I've, 578 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,160 I've captured that and seen that so often, I finally just had to 579 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,720 controls the wrong word, but zoom them in much, much 580 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:17,960 stronger. And what I did was, is I talked 581 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,640 to each set of partners for catch play and I said, hey, 582 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,480 player A is going to start the catch play with something that 583 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,040 they want to start with. A lot of our guys will start 584 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,360 with like they'll just do circles with their arms and then 585 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,920 they'll just let the ball go. I go, the other person's 586 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,640 required to copy that once. And then what's going to happen 587 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:44,480 is the the original person who sort of chose the initial drill 588 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,400 movement, whatever you want to call it, you have to figure out 589 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,480 a way to do it such that when I look at you, I go, oh, that 590 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,640 looks similar, but it's just a little bit different. 591 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,440 And then the other person needs to build on top of that. 592 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,280 And now they're going to do it and I'm going to go, they're 593 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,640 doing the same like throw, but he just took a step to the side 594 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,520 or a step backwards. And you're going to do that 5 or 595 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,760 6 times. You're going to try to build 596 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,760 onto each other and you're going to sort of play a game where you 597 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,760 watch the other person. You go, oh, that makes me think 598 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,640 I could subtly vary it in this way. 599 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,960 And you're going to do that for the entirety of your catch play. 600 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,840 And you're going to do it 5 or 6 times. 601 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,200 And then the other partners now going to pick a new thing to do. 602 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,760 They're going to define what it is. 603 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,000 You're going to go back and forth for five to six reps each. 604 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,600 So you're getting 11:50, hopefully unique and different, 605 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,640 but still within variable, but not. 606 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,920 So I just have to do crazy stuff. 607 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,800 And I think that what can emerge from that is really creative 608 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,120 things such as what you're talking about with you on 609 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,720 Santana having to throw only change UPS. 610 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,480 Well, he's not only, especially if he was being asked to do that 611 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,040 in the game, if he's coming up in the minors, he's gone. 612 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,880 Well, then I have to figure out how to do different things with 613 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,640 this to get guys out if it's the only pitch I can ever throw. 614 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,880 And so that's where I think that what you're saying can have some 615 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,960 really beautiful creativity is that with when you constrain 616 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,240 them and you say this is the only option you have, you have 617 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,000 to start getting really creative with how that gets expressed. 618 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:12,400 Even if from a 30,000 foot view, it looks like the same pitch 619 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,440 over and over or it looks like a very similar movement over and 620 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,720 over, at a more granular level, it becomes very variable. 621 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,120 And I actually think that's something I'm looking for my 622 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,800 guys to do more of. Not when I do my plyo work. 623 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,200 Everything looks like a totally different job every time, but 624 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,280 they're finding subtle ways to move and solve the problem that 625 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,960 they're trying to do. Whether they're being more 626 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,880 internally focused and they want to focus a little bit on some 627 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,320 sort of mechanical thing that they want. 628 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,840 I'm not going to push back against that all the time. 629 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,360 Or if it's more of an external target goal and we're just 630 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,280 putting different things. So I think that that's an 631 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,960 important piece that you're bringing out about that 632 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,800 repetition. And, and I think that we see 633 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,720 this, there's a website where it's, I think it's only haikus 634 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,160 about spam. And it's like, how silly and 635 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,400 weird is that? But they put such a crazy 636 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,160 constraint that what you get is incredible creativity about 637 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,200 haikus within spam because that's the only thing they can 638 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,000 write about. And I think that that's what 639 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,040 we're kind of talking about here is that there's incredible value 640 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,320 in that because our game does look fairly similar thing to 641 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,640 thing to thing. It's not like a football game 642 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,200 where it's going to be, you know, the movements are going to 643 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,520 be dictated and very different whether you're closer to the 644 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,200 sidelines, bigger hole position, etcetera. 645 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,800 Ours do tend to at times look a little bit more similar. 646 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,040 And I think that that's maybe we're talking about a little bit 647 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,200 here. Yeah, I'm going to try to do 648 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,920 something here. I don't know if I'm going to be 649 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,320 successful. I'm going to try to tie a bunch 650 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,440 of things in here together. Let's see here one of the things 651 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,560 that because I mean there's a lot there that I want to kind of 652 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,920 touch on. Let's see here all, all that's 653 00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:03,400 running away from me. So when it comes to going back 654 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,120 to what we've, we've been talking about transfer of 655 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,720 training, OK, we want to see things transfer to the field. 656 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,160 So this is something that Sean brought up when he was working 657 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,920 with Everson and he would like the, their whole offseason theme 658 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,640 was exploration. And so he's exploring, trying to 659 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,440 be creative, finding ways to get stuff done. 660 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,840 I, I feel like I've said this multiple times on the podcast, 661 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:30,760 but anyways, hopefully this this will start to resonate and make 662 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,080 more sense in the context here of OK, so he is doing all this 663 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,080 exploration. He's getting into pre season 664 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,100 where he needs to win a job and he's still exploring in pre 665 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:44,840 season when he needs to find us, find the most parsimonious 666 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:50,280 solution and get the job done. And this for me, like that story 667 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,600 illustrated to me this, this tension, this that you're 668 00:40:54,600 --> 00:41:00,520 playing here of exploration and creativity and the most 669 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,240 functional solution. And this actually comes back to, 670 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:07,520 to me of like one of the vital things that ecological dynamics, 671 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,360 especially ecological psychology is trying to get us, is trying 672 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,960 to get us to understand is it's about connecting to the 673 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,120 environment, to the information that is present right now, 674 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,240 right? This is the thing of like, you 675 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:24,080 know, all the, the, the mental performance coaches, right, 676 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,400 Brian Kane, etcetera, right? They keep talking about being 677 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,560 present, right? Being present to the what is, 678 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,000 what is present and how am I coupling my movement, my action 679 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,680 to that. And what all this exploration in 680 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,160 this creativity stuff is trying to do is trying to allow us to 681 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:48,000 connect to the what is and also to begin to be more sensitive to 682 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,920 the to the, to the affordances that are available, not just one 683 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,120 affordance, right? Because we go back to the 684 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,640 attractor states that we kind of talked about before, like our 685 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,360 natural tendencies are favorite solutions, right? 686 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,840 If we only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail, 687 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,440 right? But if you start to play with 688 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,520 the hammer and start to see other ways of using the hammer, 689 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,960 once you get into situations where you're like, this is a 690 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,000 little puzzling. All of a sudden, the, the, the 691 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,960 affordance or the, you begin to see another way to solve that 692 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,280 problem with that hammer, how you can use things when you're 693 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,360 missing the tool that you that would be ideal for it or you'd 694 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,520 have no idea. All of a sudden now, because 695 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,680 you've done all this exploration, all this creativity 696 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,360 stuff, you become, you be, you're able to find a solution 697 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,840 in that moment that fits the problem instead of trying to hit 698 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,880 it like it's a nail when it's not a nail. 699 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,360 And so to me, this is, this is kind of where things need to 700 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,400 start to transition of like, OK, instead of trying to be as 701 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,760 creative as possible, how can I be most in the present and just 702 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,080 let things flow? And like, like I was talking 703 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,160 about before, this whole notion of repetition is the soil in 704 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,760 which spontaneity is birthed, right? 705 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,600 Being in the moment, the more you can get into the moment. 706 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,800 Because some of this has been a hard thing for me to reconcile, 707 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,000 you know, in, in my faith practice. 708 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,520 And there's so much about the, the, the being Eastern Orthodox 709 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,040 that is very, very similar to ecological dynamics, this whole 710 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,480 notion of being present, of embodiment and participation and 711 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,120 all these sort of things. But yet there's all this 712 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,800 repetition within the, how things are going, like your 713 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,120 prayer rule, all this sort of stuff. 714 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,160 And that it's, it's, it's, you already know what's going to 715 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,160 happen. But there's something about it 716 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:45,520 of like when you are so in tune with what's going on, you 717 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,360 basically can give yourself fully to it because you, you 718 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,160 basically this is this is, This is why you need rules, right? 719 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,200 This is why there's rules in baseball so that you can give 720 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,440 yourself fully to it and know what to expect. 721 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,520 And and not like just out of completely left field have to 722 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,360 worry about, you know, somebody just coming out of the stands 723 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,920 and just like tackling you like it's football, like just 724 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,000 something just completely random, you know. 725 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,400 And so this is this is where you kind of get back to of like you, 726 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:24,400 you want rather there are patterns within within the game. 727 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,800 And the more that you can get into the moment, the more that 728 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,160 you can start to introduce like this is this to me comes back to 729 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,360 the CLA of of skillful and artful manipulation of 730 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,720 constraints. All right, the system is moving. 731 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:40,840 All right, let's throw, let's throw a little little curveball 732 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,520 into the mix. All right, How does that, how 733 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,760 does that change what's going on? 734 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,880 And you we're because I've now I've spent a little bit more 735 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,600 time looking at dynamic systems theory and some of this stuff 736 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,200 came up when I was initially first reading dynamics of skill 737 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,360 acquisition. So what you begin to see when 738 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:06,040 you look at the the movement behavior is that or even like in 739 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,640 the brain, right? There's brain waves. 740 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,640 And when you have coherence, it's actually very rhythmical, 741 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,680 OK? And the same thing is true when 742 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,880 it comes to movement. There are going back to 743 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,800 attractor states, OK? So there's this idea and this 744 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:26,040 concept of like, OK, out of dynamic systems theory or chaos 745 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,760 theory, a dynamical system is very sensitive to the initial 746 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,760 conditions. You change the initial condition 747 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:38,600 conditions just ever so slightly and you're the outcomes that 748 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,120 you'll get are going to start to diverge. 749 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,360 Like they're never going to follow the same exact path. 750 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,000 You're never going to repeat the same exact thing. 751 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,640 But early on it will look very similar. 752 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,320 But the longer things play out, the more divergent there is. 753 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,240 So this is This is why because they use, they use chaos theory 754 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,040 to that's how we get our weather. 755 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,520 This is why they can't predict more than 10 days out with any 756 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,880 level of accuracy is because the further the model goes out, the 757 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,560 more the more the error begins to, you know, get magnified. 758 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,520 You know, it's the same thing, right? 759 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,160 If I'm off just a little bit at the beginning and I want to go 760 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,680 to, you know, McDonald's or whatever. 761 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,520 If I'm off just by a little bit, no big deal because it's still 762 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,960 going in the direction that I'm trying to go. 763 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,240 If I want to go north of even if I'm off just a little bit to the 764 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,920 West, I'm still heading north. But the further out I go, the 765 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,960 more off of north I'm going to be. 766 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:37,440 So this is true when it comes to our, our movements and whatnot, 767 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,600 is that these, these small conditions start to make these 768 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,160 big changes later, like longer down the road. 769 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,000 But also within that you see this pattern, these patterns 770 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,360 emerge in these dynamical systems. 771 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:56,800 And these patterns often times, well, to me, the, the way that 772 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,000 they're, they, they move, they're, they kind of have like 773 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,440 a, they have a rhythm to it. There's something, there's 774 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,480 something about them that. So for example, a lot of the, 775 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,920 the different tasks that are like oscillations. 776 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:15,560 And so there's where I'm going with this is that rhythm seems 777 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,200 to be a huge component in order for us to move in a fluid way. 778 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,520 And this is something that in the sport movement skill 779 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,560 conference, Rafe Kelly talked about, in talking about like 780 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,240 what are the basics of, of locomotion or, or whatnot. 781 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,520 And so to me, this is where rhythm and what is rhythm? 782 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,600 Rhythm is a repeated pattern. And so this is where, OK, so if 783 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,800 you can get in rhythm, all of a sudden now you can start to be 784 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,280 creative. You can do, you know, you can 785 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,680 syncopate things, right? Like this is, or you can slow 786 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,840 things down, whatever. You know, you can take a pause, 787 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,960 all these different sort of things. 788 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,360 And still, as long as you stay in rhythm, your movements are 789 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:02,200 able to, to be to to flow and to stay connected to the what is. 790 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,960 So anyways, that's that to me is like something that I've been 791 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,400 thinking more about is, is what is this interplay between 792 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:17,400 repetition and never and Rep without Rep? 793 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:23,360 How do these two things play together to get US1 creativity 794 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:30,560 but also skilled performance? It makes me think of that that 795 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:36,680 our starting catcher had this past weekend, he was late on a 796 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,440 fastball and then for some reason the lefty threw him a 797 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,120 breaking ball and he was way out in front of it but got his 798 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,880 barrel to it and hit it right down the line for a home run. 799 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,800 And not only was the sequence I thought terrible, but it was 800 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:59,840 such a perfect example of how to look at one side of the of the 801 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,280 equation, so to speak. Having the same swing every 802 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,000 single time will not work. Now. 803 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,080 What would be the, when we're doing a dynamic warm up or we're 804 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,440 doing catch play, and I'm talking about that example and 805 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,320 it's like you're making every Rep different. 806 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,320 That feels like it can be a lot crazier different when you're 807 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,800 swinging a bat. Like there's not a ton of 808 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,880 different ways. There's not ways to me that I 809 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,040 currently think of that I'm going to swing that bat. 810 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,640 It's going to be drastically different in terms of having to 811 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,920 hit a ball coming at me, but I could, I could pull the ball by 812 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,480 trying to get jammed. I could pull the ball by being 813 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,480 on time. I could pull the ball by being 814 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,360 out front. Essentially, I could find these 815 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,960 creative ways to do the same thing, to pull the ball and and 816 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,000 to see if I could have success hitting it down the line. 817 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,520 Because in this situation, like it didn't look super pretty. 818 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,080 He wasn't. I don't think he was necessarily 819 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,840 fooled because he was late on the previous pitch, but he was a 820 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,720 little out front of this, but he had a functional solution and it 821 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:13,080 was a great one. It was a home run. 822 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,440 It was the best solution that you could possibly have as a 823 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,360 hitter. And I think that that's that's 824 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,720 what it makes me think of just a little bit is, is, is how do we 825 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,120 zone in our repetition rhythm, etcetera, that you're talking 826 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,240 about our Rep without Rep to accomplish different things in 827 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:32,800 the same way, but but not accidentally communicate that it 828 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,800 has to look drastically crazy weird. 829 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:42,040 But but that we can look at a lot of these players and 830 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:47,600 programs that are they having success because they're doing 831 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,440 the same drill over and over. I think we would fight back on 832 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,560 that. And I think we would look at the 833 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,080 more long term development and acknowledge that those guys are 834 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,000 being embedded in a lot of game environments, etcetera. 835 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,520 But I think that that's one way that we could look at that and 836 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,920 go, why? Why might that player be getting 837 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,920 better instead of ruined? Because sometimes I think maybe 838 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,440 the way that we talk about ecodynamics is like, we almost 839 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,080 like, what if you're going to do the same thing every single 840 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,360 time, then that's going to ruin you. 841 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,000 And, and that's not what we're saying. 842 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,600 What we're saying is that there's a better way to do it. 843 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,720 You'll probably get better at hitting a baseball if you hit 844 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:25,360 the baseball in the same way every single time because you're 845 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,520 still hitting a baseball. The human body is an amazingly 846 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,640 adaptable. We just think that this way will 847 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,800 make you better faster, it'll make you more adaptable. 848 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,600 It'll make you have solutions like our catcher did this past 849 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,600 weekend, ones that maybe don't look perfect, that are 850 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,640 completely functional for the situation that emerged. 851 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:47,520 Well, and also to, to that point of you're more adaptable and 852 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:53,400 this going back to your point of yeah, OK, well, OK, so I got, I 853 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,040 got a response on a, on a comment that I put on a, a 854 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:02,720 YouTube video about about traject and my, my thoughts on, 855 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,480 on that. And they took it to me. 856 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,520 And like, oh, well, then if, if that's the case, you know, then 857 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,920 we should see guys getting worse and we don't see that. 858 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,040 And it's like, no, that's not all what I'm saying. 859 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,560 What I am saying is that you might not see a transfer. 860 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,520 And here's the other thing, right? 861 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,640 With all things that we do, OK, this I, I learned this 862 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,200 specifically in strength and conditioning. 863 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,880 There is a there's a bell curve, right? 864 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:39,240 The whole the whole rating scale 80 was it 6020, right that that 865 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,480 they use that scouts use, right? That's the bell curve. 866 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,280 OK. So there's a bell curve on any 867 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,000 training modality where you're going to have your high 868 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,400 responders and you're going to have your low responders. 869 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,480 And so and also too, you have multiple different things of 870 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,000 like survivorship bias, all these different types of things 871 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,080 like that that are that we have to remember when we start 872 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,360 looking at the success that a facility or program or whatever 873 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,320 has, it's like, OK, for how many guys that it worked for? 874 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,880 How many guys did it not work for? 875 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,680 Do you have? Because again, it just goes back 876 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,680 to this whole thing of like, well, if all you've got is a 877 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,320 hammer, than everything looks like a nail. 878 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,000 And if you happen to be a screw, you're going to just get smashed 879 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,480 like your nail, that might not go so well because it a screw is 880 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,800 not designed like a nail. So anyways, you know, the whole 881 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,720 like, you know, circle or square peg circle type of thing, right? 882 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:39,280 So the other element that needs to be remembered is that these 883 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,440 ways of like we even talked about in one of our previous 884 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,400 episodes of like, you know, thinking that, OK, if I zone in, 885 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,480 you know, you might have success If you if especially if your 886 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,160 opponent hasn't adapted yet, their strategy, OK, your 887 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,760 strategy might work because maybe your strategy fits a niche 888 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,200 like within within the current landscape of how the game is. 889 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,240 But if the game keeps developing and changing strategies, This is 890 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,560 why, for example, the flyball revolution was just went 891 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,680 gangbusters for a little bit, right? 892 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,640 Is that everybody before was their mentality was all right. 893 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,920 I'm just trying to hit a ground ball to to the second to 894 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,240 backside, you know, low line drives all this sort of stuff 895 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,640 station to station. And then pitchers are getting 896 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,400 even more nasty. And then the defense is getting 897 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,000 better. Guys are becoming more athletic. 898 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,360 And so then all the sudden the strategy isn't not as effective 899 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,960 as it used to be. All of a sudden you tell guys to 900 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,480 like hit the ball in the air and surprise, surprise, like, you 901 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,920 know, and two, be ready for the fastball. 902 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,160 Most, most pitching, like the pitching side used to be really 903 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,680 fastball focused. You know, try to and they preach 904 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,520 throw in strikes, get strike one. 905 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,040 So then you could sit there and you could you could train 906 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,760 fastball, be on time for the fastball and just go ham on 907 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,960 that. We're not there anymore. 908 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,680 That game is that game is largely moving on. 909 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,440 And so this is where from a from an offensive standpoint, this 910 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,280 whole like, OK, just get your a swing off all the time. 911 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,280 I don't think that like it. It will work for some, but I 912 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,120 think that's not going to work for everybody. 913 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:21,240 And so you need to. Have to run into a picture where 914 00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:22,920 it doesn't work. Right. 915 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,000 And so it's like, OK, are you, is your offense only 916 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,400 one-dimensional? And this like we're using 917 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,280 offense as an example, but like, is your game just whether it's 918 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,680 offense, defense, whatever, is your game one-dimensional or 919 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,720 does your game have flexibility so that it you have multiple 920 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:40,680 tools in the toolbox so that, OK, we run into a certain 921 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:41,960 constraint, the wind's blowing in. 922 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,840 OK, Do you have another way? Do you have a way to adapt? 923 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,040 And if you're this go like, and I think, you know, this comes 924 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,840 back to I think this is the wave, sorry to cut you off, but 925 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,280 this is the wave that I feel like it's kind of in in the air 926 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,120 within the the baseball community of like, OK, what 927 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,600 Glasnost said being athletic. What does that mean? 928 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,920 OK, I think that's always been in there. 929 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,120 But what does it mean? I think ecological dynamics can 930 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,320 explain what that means in a very detailed way that's 931 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,720 concrete, not just this kind of abstract concept of athleticism, 932 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,880 right? Like, whereas like what we're 933 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,240 saying is athleticism means that you have multiple different ways 934 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:22,960 to solve the problem, you're adaptable. 935 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,480 So yes, that's, that's still a broad term, but I think it's 936 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:32,240 more, it brings more clarity to what is being asked and said 937 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,600 rather than just like, Oh yeah. Like, because even that was said 938 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,160 to me. Oh yeah, you're you're athletic. 939 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,320 OK. What does that mean? 940 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,320 Oh, well, you do things that are different. 941 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,200 OK. But is it functional? 942 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,120 Because that was my thing was like, I mean, it's not as 943 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:46,880 functional. Yeah. 944 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,560 OK, maybe I move different ways, whatever. 945 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,000 I don't know. But I did not perform at a high 946 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,200 enough level, right? So like that's that to me 947 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,440 becomes the the the other piece of it is like athleticism has to 948 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,720 also play. So that those are at least kind 949 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:08,160 of my my initial thoughts when it comes to all right, we need 950 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,200 to I don't even know what I'm saying. 951 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,240 What were you going to say? I think This is why scouting 952 00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:22,280 reports can work and do work, quite frankly, and why teams 953 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,320 why? And I think we've learned this 954 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,800 from football. I'll confess, I'm not like a 955 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,680 huge, I'm going to sit and watch 8 million clips. 956 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,520 I I've never been in the football world, but I think we 957 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,440 really adopted that from them. They watch a lot of film. 958 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,440 You heard Peyton Manning do that all the time, and so you 959 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,920 absolutely pick up on tendencies and things that are going to 960 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,240 guide your search when you're in that situation. 961 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,120 I think This is why scouting reports work is because you'll 962 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,200 watch a team, you'll see a tendency, something that you can 963 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,120 exploit, and then you go do that as a pitcher, as a hitter on the 964 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,720 defensive side of the ball. We just had a scouting meeting 965 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,920 for our first few teams. We play on spring break and one 966 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,320 of the teams that came up was like, Oh yeah, this team hits 967 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,560 for a lot of average. Like they've good hitters, high 968 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,560 average. Oh, by the way, they also like 969 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,400 crush balls. Oh, OK, so they do damage. 970 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,080 Yeah, but they might like steal and bunt on you too. 971 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,720 OK, so pretty much they'll find a way to win the game in any 972 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:26,920 way. How are they? 973 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,800 They'll be like the best team we play. 974 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,840 OK, that makes sense. And so that's kind of what we're 975 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,080 talking about here is if you are that one trick pony, it it'll 976 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,440 it'll definitely probably work. And, and I think we see this a 977 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,880 lot in so many different places that you know, well, I'll, I'll 978 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,440 say I'm an Atlanta Braves fan and couple years ago, I think 979 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,560 they won 100 and some games they like. 980 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,160 I think they tied the twins home run record like then unreal 981 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,680 offensive year. And then they got into the 982 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,800 playoffs, played the Phillies, and they had guy after guy after 983 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:05,080 guy who were throwing smoke and like hard breaking balls out of 984 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,360 the pen. And they lost the series. 985 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,840 And obviously it's a short, it's a random game. 986 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,000 It's not, as you know, baseball can be so random like that. 987 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,840 But I think the point is, is that's probably why scouting 988 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:23,200 reports are very useful. But that's where the advantage 989 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:29,600 could be had for you is if you are training in a way that is 990 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,280 functionally finding solutions to win games in different ways, 991 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,880 you're going to be really hard to beat. 992 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,280 And that could very well be the next thing that people run after 993 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,160 here is how can you help a player score in different ways? 994 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,720 How can you help a pitcher pitch in different ways to be able to 995 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,320 get any sort of hitter out? And I think that that's what 996 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,320 we're kind of saying with the back to the repetition pieces. 997 00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:02,560 Can you do the similar outcome thing in different ways and not 998 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,600 just? Get the ball hard in different 999 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,280 ways. Can you score in multiple 1000 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,640 different ways? Those those are the teams that 1001 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,520 are quite frankly, the hardest to beat because how do you 1002 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,720 exploit that team? I don't know. 1003 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,240 You just have to execute better. You just have to be more 1004 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,800 talented. You just, you know, that's 1005 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:23,520 really, really hard to exploit. And one of the things too on, on 1006 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:29,040 what you're saying is I think part of the reason why 1007 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,240 tendencies and why we're seeing so much success at the 1008 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,440 professional level of exploiting people's weaknesses is because 1009 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,160 they just that's the athletes or hitters or doesn't matter which 1010 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,800 side of it aren't trained to be adaptable. 1011 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,640 So they're, they're left swimming once their weakness is 1012 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,520 found out. You know, and, and also to, to 1013 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,160 go off of what you're talking about with with the Atlanta 1014 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,440 Braves, it makes me think of the Minnesota Vikings, right? 1015 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,280 They've had a great year and there's two different 1016 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,560 strategies, right? There's the strategy that gets 1017 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,560 you to the dance, meaning the playoffs. 1018 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,760 And then there's the one that wins you the playoffs because 1019 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,200 the teams, in order to get to the playoffs, you need to win X 1020 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,840 number of games. So your strategy needs to be 1021 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:20,400 able to beat more than half of your opponents, right? 1022 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,200 And so like that's, but then to win the playoffs, your strategy 1023 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:30,840 needs to be able to beat the top or like they're top teams of the 1024 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,560 whole league. Those two things are not the 1025 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,160 same. And like that's where even like 1026 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,640 the Minnesota Twins, I feel like that's what that's that's why 1027 01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,040 they can't ever go far in the playoffs or why they get 1028 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,360 eliminated almost right away, is that they they're built well 1029 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,960 enough to get them through the season. 1030 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,440 They're not built to beat the best teams or the teams that 1031 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,000 have that, that have different strategies that are unique or 1032 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,680 whatever. They their matchups to them 1033 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,840 aren't very good. Their matchups may be really 1034 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,360 great for the bottom half of the league, but they're not as well 1035 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,280 or not as good at the top, right. 1036 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,600 And this is kind of the thing of like, OK, yeah. 1037 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,840 All right, we we beat all the teams we're supposed to, but how 1038 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,040 do you do against the best teams? 1039 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,960 That's really the measure of like how good you are in some in 1040 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,200 some respects, right. If we're going to look at past 1041 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,840 performance, predicting future performance, I'm going to go off 1042 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,040 of like, how do you play against the best now? 1043 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,600 Do you play down to the worst? Meaning if you start all if you 1044 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,560 also lose to the bottom and while beating the top, like I 1045 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:28,880 also think there's something wrong there. 1046 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,720 But anyways, that like, and so I think that's that also plays 1047 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:41,400 into again, back to how are we thinking about what we're trying 1048 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,040 to do, our intention right there, the intent to well, you 1049 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,000 know, the Seattle Mariners, we're just trying to win 53 or I 1050 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,240 can't remember 54. I can't remember what the number 1051 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,360 was 56% of their their games. That's what that that's their 1052 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,560 intention. So their whole strategy and how 1053 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,000 they think about their team and how they organize and run their 1054 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:08,320 team is around that, right? Whereas, you know, I don't know 1055 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,000 what the Dodgers mentality is and what their strategy is, but 1056 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,080 it's it might be, you know, they have a different way of thinking 1057 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,760 about it. So this, this kind of comes back 1058 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,560 to how much intent and what your principles are really drive the 1059 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,600 content and the, and the later on outcomes and the 1060 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,280 sustainability of those outcomes. 1061 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,520 And so for me, that's where an ecological approach allows you. 1062 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,920 If your whole motto is like to be adaptable, I don't know how 1063 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,840 that goes out of style, because as the, your opponent adapts, 1064 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,560 you adapt to your opponent. And so if you are, you know, 1065 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,600 kind of in a way like the Dodgers and you're staying out 1066 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,560 ahead of it, you you got the, you got the lead and you're 1067 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,760 going to keep iterating. And adapting, not a baseball 1068 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,520 example, but here's probably a better example. 1069 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,640 And granted, we know baseball, the randomness is much 1070 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,000 different. So having this type of sustained 1071 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,880 success is really hard. But one of the things that the 1072 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:10,400 New England Patriots were, you know, famous for, so to speak, 1073 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,760 is, you know, people said, well, they're a different team every 1074 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,480 week, that they they find these things to exploit and they 1075 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,640 become different. Now, some within the locker 1076 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,120 room. And I think this is actually a 1077 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,480 really good example of exactly what we're trying to talk about 1078 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,760 here. It kind of got blown up in the 1079 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,560 media as like they're a completely different team every 1080 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,840 single time. And within the locker room they 1081 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,240 said, well, no, we're not like we're, we're sticking to who we 1082 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,400 are. And yet we adapt little by 1083 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,680 little to the team that we play. And look at the success that 1084 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,240 they had in that run. Now, obviously incredibly 1085 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,600 talented players, one of the best quarterbacks of all time. 1086 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,240 You have to have those pieces in place, but how then when you're 1087 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,520 doing exactly what you're saying, when you're getting to 1088 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,720 the playoffs and you're playing the best of the best, They have 1089 01:04:54,720 --> 01:05:00,760 this ability to make these minor adaptations to continue to win 1090 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,640 and be the best amongst the best. 1091 01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,840 And that's essentially what we've gotten onto this train 1092 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,960 with is sort of Rep without Rep, not being completely different 1093 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,400 all the time, but sort of potentially for the paths, 1094 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,120 staying true to who you are and yet finding different nuanced 1095 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:24,160 ways to exploit, become adaptable, Do it in different 1096 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,920 ways, win in different ways, because ultimately the only 1097 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,320 thing that matters for them is winning titles. 1098 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,800 And I think too, like it comes back to, you know, like we kind 1099 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,960 of talked about before mindset, if it's already part of your 1100 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,240 mindset, your intention to be adaptable and that adaptability 1101 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:47,280 is something that you prioritize, then all right, when 1102 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,520 things start to go like you're able to shift and, and it goes 1103 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,800 back to again, what I was talking about before, the the 1104 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:57,120 principle of, of staying in tune and connected to what is what 1105 01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,400 currently is going on to being present. 1106 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,000 And adaptability is in my mind, really tied to that. 1107 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,360 It's not adaptability for the sake of adaptability. 1108 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,960 Going back to transfer training, kind of the, the whole point of 1109 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,200 this is like it's about finding a functional fit. 1110 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,720 It's about the execution, it's about the outcome, it's about 1111 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,440 the performance outcomes. It's adaptability around that 1112 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:23,880 and every like another key component of, you know, what are 1113 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,720 the basics of ecological dynamics, right, is it's all 1114 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,600 especially the ecological psychology side of it. 1115 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,400 It's all about relationships, your relationship to the 1116 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,960 information, the environment and the relationship to your 1117 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,520 movements, your actions to the outcome. 1118 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,520 And so your adaptability needs to be tied to that towards 1119 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,360 working towards that end of finding success. 1120 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:55,200 And so to me, that's that's what why an ecological approach is, 1121 01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,120 is extremely helpful to me, like, and why I'm so passionate 1122 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,880 about trying to advocate for it. Because this way of thinking, 1123 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,560 going back to like what I was talking about before of like, 1124 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,800 OK, if you're off just a little bit, OK, early on, you may have 1125 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,480 good results. But the further you go down that 1126 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,360 road, if you don't have any self correcting mechanisms, you're 1127 01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,520 going to end up like your run of success is going to be short 1128 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,000 lived. Maybe it's, you know, the, the 1129 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,760 window that you have is going to be shorter than if you have 1130 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,600 these self correcting mechanisms. 1131 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,200 And to me, this, this, when I look at it like eco D the the 1132 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:37,080 ideas, the concepts will keep you on the path that's going to 1133 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,040 extend your window of success. And so for me, that's that's why 1134 01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,640 I think it's so powerful and is why it's so different than 1135 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,480 everything else. And also again, it's a Michael 1136 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,680 O'Connell put out a released a sub stack article today that I 1137 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,040 thought is, is kind of where I think things need to get going. 1138 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:02,640 As far as everybody is talking, you know, the, the this era has 1139 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,480 been the era of data, you know, in being data-driven. 1140 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,480 I think the next phase and where the next advancement lies is in 1141 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:16,479 being principally driven because data doesn't doesn't tell you 1142 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,520 what to do. Data needs to be analyzed. 1143 01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:23,080 So you need principles and frameworks to be able to help 1144 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,359 you utilize that data in the most effective way. 1145 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,720 Data doesn't interpret itself, you know, like, and you have to 1146 01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,560 be able to discern from good, bad, all this sort of stuff. 1147 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:37,040 Like data is just just is data. And so you actually need a 1148 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:41,040 framework, you need principles to actually know what to do with 1149 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,040 that stuff. And so I think really ecological 1150 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:49,760 dynamics, it gives you principles and a framework, a 1151 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,880 way of thinking to be able to fully utilize everything in my 1152 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,080 mind from the past and the the old and the new school stuff. 1153 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,560 And allows you to sift things and to figure out what is good 1154 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:06,520 and useful and functional and, and to know when and where to do 1155 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,640 that. So that's kind of my pitch for 1156 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:09,920 that. You got anything that you want 1157 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,120 to land the plane on? No, just I think the the most 1158 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,600 helpful thing is as we're searching for those principles, 1159 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,120 I think that you highlighted it twice, once the beginning here 1160 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,200 and then now again near at the end. 1161 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,359 You know, being connected to the outcomes that you're looking 1162 01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:30,760 for. Not necessarily yeah, ones that 1163 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,760 a spin rate or something, but something that's connected to 1164 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:40,720 the game and and allows you getting yourself on base, right, 1165 01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,520 getting the next guy up as a hitter or or getting the batter 1166 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,359 out as a pitcher. You know, the thing that that is 1167 01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:49,200 the very thing that will help you win the game. 1168 01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,840 That is the very thing that you're trying to do. 1169 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,600 So I think staying connected to that and then ultimately kind of 1170 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,840 what's underneath that is, is what you said at the beginning 1171 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,000 that it really one of these principles is, is very clear 1172 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,000 that it comes back to problem solving and having the ability 1173 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,080 to solve multiple types of problems regardless of what 1174 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,520 emerges. Yeah, I agree. 1175 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,520 All right, until next time.