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Brothers and sisters, welcome 23 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:47,320 back to episode 4 of Devon and the Duke, a limited podcast 24 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:52,560 series hosted by your main man. Duke loves wrestling and the 25 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,120 Hall of Famer himself, Mr. Devon Dudley. 26 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,760 How you doing there Devon? I'm doing good man, how you 27 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,720 doing? Well, Devon, I, I have to break 28 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,480 some news to you here. The word is out, man. 29 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,400 Devon Dudley is a good guy, a baby face in life. 30 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,760 You know, not only did we have folks who saw you at the River 31 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,600 City Wrestling Con, you had your baby with you, had your wife 32 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,640 with you. You know, you're doing the 33 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:26,040 family thing and now we have folks like Eric Bischoff putting 34 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,400 you over and talking about how great of a guy you are. 35 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,240 That's it. Devon, you're, you're a good 36 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,840 guy, man. There's this whoever the, the 37 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,080 bad guy version of Devon Dudley is. 38 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,000 I I don't think you're going to be able to sell that too well 39 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,480 anymore. Well-being that I'm not 40 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,920 wrestling anymore, that's probably a good thing, you know? 41 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,200 You know, now that I'm retired and you know, and this and that 42 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,320 and I don't know, being a bad guy, I mean, what? 43 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,640 Unless I went back and did it, you know, the only place that I 44 00:02:54,640 --> 00:03:00,640 would ever wrestle for, other than what I'm going to be doing 45 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:06,200 in November with Bubba for Wrestle Cade, the only place I 46 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,480 would ever go back to wrestle for is WWE. 47 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:12,720 That's it. I wouldn't go anywhere else to 48 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,960 do it. And of course TNAI don't have 49 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,200 any issues with TNA or anything like that. 50 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:25,360 My heart is with WWE and being that WWE is now doing something 51 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,040 with TNA now I can put TNA that I would go back to TNA, but I 52 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:38,600 don't see it happening. I, you know, everything that's 53 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,960 in my tank is pretty much done. I'm going, I had the 1000 54 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,800 episode. I had a lot of fun doing that 55 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,280 with Bubba. You know, we tore the house down 56 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,760 and we hit the greatest hits, which is what we were going to 57 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,240 do. And we weren't thinking about 58 00:03:53,240 --> 00:04:00,200 doing a tour around the country, you know, to hit the greatest 59 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,520 hits and do that. And I don't think it's going to 60 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,520 happen. I'm not saying it's out of the 61 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,120 water, but I don't think it's going to happen. 62 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,920 So, you know, I just don't see me getting back in the ring 63 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,720 unless it's WWE, and that ain't going to happen because I think 64 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,760 we're way over the hill to go back to WWE. 65 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,920 People say, oh, you guys look in great shape and it's not, It's 66 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,320 one thing to look good, but it's one, it's another thing to have 67 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,480 your body just broken up inside. You know, I, I hear that 100%, 68 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,720 Devon and I understand, Hey, you definitely want your body to be 69 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,000 in working order, especially if you're going to be out there 70 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 taking bumps. But when it comes to pro 71 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,680 wrestling and retirement, you know, the two don't mix. 72 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,080 I'm thinking back to a great friend of yours and Terry Funk. 73 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,680 That man retired how many times over and yet he still managed to 74 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,560 find himself in rings all over the world doing what he does 75 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,920 best. So maybe it's a never say never 76 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,680 when it comes to retirement. Well, there's one thing between 77 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,040 there's one thing you got to understand about Terry Funk, and 78 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,520 I knew him on a personal level. That son of a bitch was crazy. 79 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,480 God rest his soul. He was one crazy SOB. 80 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:18,920 And I think he enjoyed pain. I think whatever was ailing him 81 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,960 when he got in the ring, he kind of enjoyed it, you know? 82 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,360 And that's the way some wrestlers are. 83 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,040 They enjoy that pain. They don't know how to handle 84 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,800 themselves without the pain 'cause they're so used to 85 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,920 dealing with it for so many years and then all of a sudden 86 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:36,960 when it stops, it's like they permanently hurt themselves. 87 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,760 That's where they can continue to feel that pain. 88 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,200 I know a couple of people like that in the business that have 89 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,560 done that and that have admitted it to me. 90 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,520 But again, you know, never say never. 91 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:49,360 You're right. You never say never. 92 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,840 But as of right now, you know, and I've said this before, I've 93 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:55,840 said I was, I wasn't retired and I said I was retired. 94 00:05:55,840 --> 00:06:00,400 I went back and forth until the 1000 episode, but I just feel 95 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,040 that right now it might be the end for everything. 96 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:11,120 Just because you know the the new generation now is doing a 97 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,720 fantastic job, especially in WWE. 98 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,000 I don't know if it'll take just hitting the greatest hits to 99 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,760 keep up with these guys. These guys are so damn good in 100 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,640 WWE right now, and I wouldn't want to do anything to cramp 101 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:33,720 anybody's style in the ring. So, you know, Bill Cosby said it 102 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,720 best when he ended The Cosby Show. 103 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,000 He ended it on top. Ratings were still up. 104 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,920 They weren't going down or anything, but he felt that it he 105 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,440 needed to get rid of the show before the ratings did start 106 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,960 dropping. And people will say, damn, I 107 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,360 don't even watch it anymore. It's not that good. 108 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,680 It's not like it used to. He ended it before that 109 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,240 happened. And that's the way I feel like 110 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,120 it should be with with us. You know, we need to get out 111 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,520 before we get to that point where people say, damn, they're 112 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:08,520 too old. They don't need to be in the 113 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,360 ring anymore because it it will happen. 114 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,880 You know, it will happen. We can't stay young our whole 115 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,720 lives. At some point stage of the game, 116 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,840 you got to say when it's when it's over, you got to admit to 117 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,840 yourself that it's over. Leave on a high note, you know, 118 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,480 leave with, you know, the Wrestlemanias, the the TLC 119 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,640 matches and all those great matches that you had. 120 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,760 Don't leave with, with a match that probably showed that you 121 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,320 should have been gone, you know, years ago and you decide to come 122 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,680 back. I just don't want that to 123 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,240 happen. Wise words there from the Hall 124 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,160 of Famer Devon Dudley. And, and I get it. 125 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,720 I respect that. Makes perfect sense. 126 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,560 Leave on a high note so people remember you the best of you as 127 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,000 opposed to remembering the lesser version of you, so to 128 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,680 speak. So certainly understand that. 129 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,880 As we said, Eric Bischoff was here on Duke Loves Wrestling and 130 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,480 he was very complimentary of you, just like you were about 131 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,160 him previously. Eric talked about the fact that 132 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,520 you're a great friend of his and how he loves running into you 133 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,800 and you always make him feel good. 134 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,960 Your your positive presence rubs off on him. 135 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,760 After hearing that back, what did you think of what Eric had 136 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,440 to say about you? Well, I love, I love Eric a lot. 137 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,280 He's a very good friend of mine. I consider him a very good 138 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,760 friend of mine. And Eric didn't know really a 139 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,880 lot about my background until one day he was right next to me 140 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,880 when we were doing an autograph signing. 141 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,400 And I believe it was in Texas somewhere. 142 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,280 And we started talking and I don't know how it came up, but 143 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:54,120 my background came up and things like that and we just started 144 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,280 talking and started going from there. 145 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,800 And he was pleasantly surprised 'cause he didn't know any of 146 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,160 that. We knew each other before this 147 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,000 conversation took place, but we never really indulged in each 148 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 other's lives. So it was one of those things 149 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,600 where it was cool that he realized, you know, all the 150 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,480 things that I had went through to get to where I am today. 151 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,480 And he, he really appreciated, he loved hearing the story. 152 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,840 You can tell that he was quite intrigued by everything that I 153 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,960 told him. And he was really taken back 154 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,600 about my parents being reverence 'cause he didn't know that. 155 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:34,120 He also, you know, said to me, he goes, that explains your 156 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,600 demeanor and how you are said, yes, I said, you don't gotta 157 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,720 understand. I grew up in Sunday school. 158 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:45,120 I grew up in revival. I grew up in regular church, you 159 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,240 know, regular morning service, afternoon service. 160 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,640 I grew up in all of that. So it wasn't something that I 161 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,680 was uncommon to. And you know, if you didn't do 162 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:58,200 what you were supposed to do, you got your butt whooped. 163 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,440 It's just wild to think about, man. 164 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:07,760 You know, the the preacher's kid, the church boy grows up and 165 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,680 he's putting people through flaming tables in ECW. 166 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,640 You talk about a a difference there. 167 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,000 It, it just goes to show, never judge a book by its cover and 168 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,600 you never know what you're going to get from folks. 169 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,240 And certainly the Hall of Famer here, Devon Dudley, is full of 170 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,240 surprises. I I wonder, Devon, the lessons 171 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,000 that you learned not only from your parents, but from being in 172 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,200 the church and growing up with a religious background, Do you 173 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,520 feel that that's helped guide you through all of the 174 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,920 challenges that come along with being in the wrestling business? 175 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:51,360 Absolutely. Even now as an adult, you know, 176 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:57,360 living life, you know my morals, how I feel about certain things. 177 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,720 The respect I should say more importantly than anything. 178 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,560 I mean, let me put it to you this way. 179 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,840 There might be stuff I might be into the the next man might not 180 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,000 be into a might not like that. Each his own in my opinion, but 181 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,120 in terms of respect, you know, I've learned to respect people 182 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,840 and not sit there and pass judgment just because it doesn't 183 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:25,360 fit my realm with things. You know, when you go on social 184 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:31,000 media and you say things or you put things out and somebody 185 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,560 might not agree with what you're putting out or saying, so they 186 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:38,800 get rude and, you know, they say things that are not 187 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,880 complimentary and they sit there and say, well, I got freedom of 188 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,040 speech and I'm allowed to say whatever I want. 189 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,040 Yes, you do. You do grant you 100% you do. 190 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,960 But being rude about it, No, you know, you don't have the right 191 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,080 to do that because if somebody did that to you or if somebody 192 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,320 did that to one of your family members, you'd be ready to 193 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,560 fight. You'd be ready to take a gun and 194 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:04,880 shoot them. There are things I see on social 195 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,040 media that I don't agree with, but that doesn't mean I'm going 196 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,120 to sit there and belittle that person or I'm going to sit there 197 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,000 and say something rude just to get a reaction from him. 198 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:17,680 Those are those type of people are the people that don't have 199 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:20,840 any lives that they want the reaction so they can go back to 200 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,480 their other friends and go guess what I said this about? 201 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,280 I said this to Divo on the social media and he responded 202 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,240 and he said this. What an idiot. 203 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,480 No, you're the freaking idiot. You're the Jackass. 204 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,520 You know, it's like for what? Like my son, there was a, a 205 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,320 video that he saw online and he put his two cents on what he 206 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,840 felt about it. And it was rude. 207 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,600 He told me about it. And he told me that when he said 208 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,520 it, you know, he was laughing. And I go, son, I go. 209 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,640 Let me ask you a question. If somebody put something like 210 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,480 that on your social media after whatever you put up there you 211 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,960 thought was OK to put up, but they thought it indifferent, if 212 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,440 they say if they made the same comment to you that you just 213 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,840 made to them, how would you feel? 214 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,000 How would you feel if it was me that they said that to? 215 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,680 How would you feel if it was your grandmother or your mother? 216 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,800 And he sat there he goes, yeah, you're right, I shouldn't have 217 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:24,920 said that. I said, yeah, you really 218 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,280 shouldn't have. I said you really should go back 219 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,160 and take that down because there's a 5050 chance that that 220 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,760 person might not have seen what you wrote, and there's a 5050 221 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:39,880 chance that they did. But you have no idea how you can 222 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,320 be towards a person when you say things like that. 223 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,040 You know, you're never taking consideration their feelings. 224 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,760 So again, there's a lot of people that listen to this 225 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,400 that's going to listen to this and go, you're absolutely right, 226 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,080 Devon. But guess what? 227 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:56,840 They're the ones doing it. That's the funny part. 228 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,640 It's like the people in church, you know, they're hypocrites. 229 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:02,760 They'll sit there and tell you what you shouldn't do and what 230 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,640 you shouldn't like, but then yet they do something totally they 231 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,160 do the same thing you're doing, if not worse. 232 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,480 Devon Dudley coming with the life lessons. 233 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,680 How about that for your Sunday folks? 234 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:19,640 That's why Devon and the Duke, you know, we want to drop these 235 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:26,800 on Sundays so that you get that extra dose of not only fantastic 236 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,520 conversation about pro wrestling, but fantastic 237 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,720 conversation about life. There's nothing wrong with that. 238 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,480 And certainly, as they would say, this is food for the soul. 239 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,880 And I also, you know, listen, what I'm saying is not going to 240 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,960 change people's opinions. They're still going to say what 241 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,080 they want to say and do what they want to do. 242 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,720 But at the same token, I'm just saying, think about what you're 243 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,120 saying before you write it. Think about the person that 244 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,560 you're saying it to. Even if you don't like that 245 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,480 person, So what? So what? 246 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,440 Especially in the resting world. Listen, they had enough courage 247 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,920 to go out there, pay their money to the whatever wrestling school 248 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,680 they went to, got taught how to wrestle good enough to where 249 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,320 they got picked up by NXT. And from NXT they went to the 250 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,160 main roster. So you might not like them, you 251 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,200 might not think that they're good wrestlers, but that don't 252 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,000 mean you go and bash them and try to belittle them on social 253 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,840 media. I just find that very 254 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,240 disrespectful and wrong. And that's where my upbringing 255 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,840 comes in, where I was taught not to do things like that, that 256 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,280 just because you don't like something, what somebody does, 257 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,560 that doesn't give you the right to belittle or say anything 258 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,160 terrible to them. I agree 100% and I mean, it 259 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:42,160 really comes down to how you say it and what your true intentions 260 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,640 are. So everyone listen out there as 261 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,920 as a consumer, absolutely you have a right to point out what 262 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,320 you don't like and what you feel needs to improve because they're 263 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,520 marketing to you. You know, this is something that 264 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,120 is supposed to entertain you and make you feel comfortable enough 265 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,480 to not only spend your time, but spend your money, your hard 266 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,960 earned money on these things. So certainly saying, hey, I 267 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,920 didn't like that. I don't feel that that was of 268 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,760 quality, what have you. That's fine, but it's when we go 269 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,600 to the point of trolling and, and just to 'cause, you know, 270 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,960 hardship and chaos in people's lives just for the hell of it. 271 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,400 Could you think it's funny? That's when we were crossing the 272 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,520 line there and, and certainly Devon Dudley knocked it out of 273 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,520 the park with that point. Good stuff there. 274 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,680 I got some breaking news for you here, Devon. 275 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:40,760 AEW Dynamite, they managed to have their lowest rating ever. 276 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:47,320 They averaged about 502,000 viewers, which is way, way, way 277 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,560 down not only from last week, but even compared to to last 278 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,080 year. It's it's the worst rating 279 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,520 they've had in history. Let's just call what it is worst 280 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,400 in history. And what's interesting is that 281 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,560 they normally have The Big Bang Theory that leads into AEW 282 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,480 Dynamite, which, you know, when the, when the TV channel 283 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,880 switches from Big Bang Theory, which is a rerun at 7:59 and 284 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,839 switches over to 8:00 PM when Dynamite starts, a lot of those 285 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,440 folks who are watching Big Bang Theory, they, they've stuck 286 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:27,560 around. So AW has been using these folks 287 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,000 and saying, hey, you know, they watch our show. 288 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,520 Technically not true, which is why there's always such a major 289 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,280 drop off in the first quarter hour compared to the rest of the 290 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,720 show because you know, a lot of those folks are not AEW fans. 291 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:47,160 So now here we are, where there was no Big Bang Theory this past 292 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,960 Wednesday, which was also Juneteenth. 293 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:54,400 No Big Bang Theory to lead in, and AEW just completely in the 294 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,320 toilet. It's clear that they are 295 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,360 slipping and it's not because of a lack of talent. 296 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,760 Something else that is amiss here. 297 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,920 Anyways, Deewon, I want to get your take on this year. 298 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,320 What are your thoughts on AEW pulling in their worst rating 299 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,560 ever at barely half a million viewers? 300 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,000 Well, you know Tony Khan, I guess he hasn't been out there 301 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,840 bashing WWE as of late after the comment he made during the NFL 302 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,640 Draft. But my thing is this, instead of 303 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,360 worrying about what the WWE is doing, worry about your own 304 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:34,400 show, worry about your own ratings. 305 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,720 You know, here's the deal. Like I said before, and I'll say 306 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,600 this again, there's a lot of guys in AWI have I am friends 307 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,160 with and I've grown to be friends with. 308 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,040 And there are a hell of a talent. 309 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,000 Some I haven't met, some that I have, some that I've worked 310 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:55,040 with, you know, but my thing is this, with all that great talent 311 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,000 that is there in that company, and there's a lot of people that 312 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,600 are great, why is it that those ratings are the way they are? 313 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:08,440 And I'm sorry, after being in this business for 33 years, it's 314 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,640 not the talent and it work. It starts writing, it starts 315 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,920 right in the office. Here's what I'm going to say. 316 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,040 When WWE was letting people go left and right during that harsh 317 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,440 time during the Vince era. And then all of a sudden, you 318 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,280 know, because a lot of those guys weren't being used on TV or 319 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,640 nothing like that, because Vince didn't know what to do with 320 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,240 them. The people in NXT, you know, the 321 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,400 whole 9. And then Hunter comes in, he 322 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,800 takes over, he brings them back, and now a lot of them are bigger 323 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,360 stars than they ever were. It's the booking. 324 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,320 It's the booking. Hunter knew what to do with 325 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,920 them. Vince didn't. 326 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,920 That's not a crap on Vince. It's just that he didn't know 327 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,720 what to do with them. So, you know, somebody came in 328 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,640 and did the right thing. My thing is, Tony might want to 329 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,800 look in the mirror and see that it's not the talent that he has. 330 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:05,480 It's him and whoever he has writing and doing whatever. 331 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,640 That's what he should be looking at. 332 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,680 Because there's no reason with all that great talent that AW 333 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,480 has that the ratings should be that low, that the houses should 334 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,000 be empty the way they are. There's no reason for it because 335 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,920 you have to agree with me, They have phenomenal talent over 336 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,640 there. It's just that none of them are 337 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,760 being used, right? You know, and some of the guys 338 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:33,760 who leave WWE to go there, you know, it's always good to have 339 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,120 an alternate place to go because when you get burnt out from one 340 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,760 territory, you go to another to rebuild yourself and then 341 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,440 eventually you wind up going back to the original territory. 342 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,680 I just hope a lot of them realize that when they do leave 343 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,960 WWE or unfortunately, if they get let go, that you're going to 344 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,960 be on, you know, the high end of things for the first month or 345 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,200 two months, maybe even 3, and the next thing you know, you put 346 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,200 right back on the shelf. Again, that is something I don't 347 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,000 understand and I don't agree with. 348 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,800 There's so much talent in that company that should be doing a 349 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,440 lot more things than what they're doing in that company 350 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,880 and they're just not. So to me, again, it's not the 351 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,440 talent, it's the people who are in charge that are doing it. 352 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,160 And I've spoken to a lot of AW people that I'm friends with and 353 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,360 they're just like shaking their heads. 354 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,800 They're like Devon, we know, we know. 355 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,440 We don't get it either. It just makes no sense. 356 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,360 But a lot of them are there just taking the money. 357 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,400 You know, Tony wants to throw out a boatload of money to 358 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,800 people. He throws it out and they're 359 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,560 going to take it. You know, it's one of those 360 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,800 things where why wouldn't you take the money if someone's 361 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,360 going to give you, you know, if someone wants to give you $10 362 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:48,600 million to go and and sit home and not be on their TV when 363 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,600 you're supposed to be contributing to the company, why 364 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,560 wouldn't you take the money? Why wouldn't you do it? 365 00:21:55,120 --> 00:22:02,840 I know freaking I would, you know, But yeah, but I said I you 366 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,160 don't have to put me on your TV. If you want to pay me a boatload 367 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,440 of money to sit home and be with my family, then by all means 368 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,000 Boo, I'll take the check. You know, it's interesting, 369 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,520 Devon, you talking about your experience history in the pro 370 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,960 wrestling industry, which is, you know, over 30 years Hall of 371 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,320 Fame wrestler, most decorated tag team champion with with 372 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,760 Bubba. Now you've transitioned into 373 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,480 being a fantastic trainer and coach for the next generation of 374 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,920 stars. You've also been a backstage 375 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,080 agent, you know, again, helping that next generation and really 376 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,560 current generation of stars understand how to deliver 377 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,720 matches that fans will give a damn about, which is really a 378 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,560 skill to be able to do that. So kudos to you on that front. 379 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:01,040 Something aired recently on A&E as part of their biography 380 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:08,800 series. This is A&E biography, WWE 381 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,040 Legends, the ECW episode, folks. So the episode literally is 382 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,720 titled ECW and this is on season four, episode 10. 383 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,240 So everybody listening right now, easy way for you to go look 384 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,240 that up and check it out. You know, whether you have Sling 385 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,960 or Xfinity, AT&T, whatever, I'm sure you have on demand or just 386 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,520 catch the rerun. But season four episode 10 387 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:39,880 biography, WWE Legends, ECW. Devon, you were all over this 388 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,120 thing. Photos, video clips, you know, 389 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,160 you even spoke about a few things. 390 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,440 And it's funny, you and I had a conversation offline about this 391 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:55,480 and you said just watching that program evoked some memories and 392 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,040 you had some things to say about it. 393 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,560 So we haven't dealt too deep into the ECW stuff yet. 394 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,320 We've been saving it. But now is a great time to start 395 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,200 knocking on that door. So let's hear it, Devon. 396 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:14,080 I mean, after watching that A&E biography, WWE Legends ECW 397 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,800 episode there, what did you think and and really what comes 398 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,320 to mind? Well, I will say this, I 399 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:28,000 remember right before I got into ECW, you know, I was barely 400 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,680 making it. I was working in the post office 401 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,480 as a letter carrier and a mail sorter, and I was unloading 402 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,640 trucks. And I remember, you know, I was 403 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,080 married at the time to my twins, Terrence and Terrell, to their 404 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,680 mom. And money was very, very tight. 405 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:49,440 I remember not knowing how I was going to survive with a wife and 406 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,280 twin boys. I mean, we, we would, we were 407 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,000 looking to do one baby, but when two came, it was like, oh, my 408 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,400 God, what are we going to do? And there were times where, and 409 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,000 I'm dating my, my age here. But, you know, back when there 410 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,040 were mannequins in the window of department stores to showcase 411 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,920 whatever outfits they were going, they wanted to sell. 412 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,400 And I remember a lot of times walking past that area and 413 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,960 seeing something maybe for my wife or my kids and going, man, 414 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,760 I wish I had the money to buy that. 415 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,840 You know, I had to go in the store and put it on what they 416 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,680 used to call layaway. You know, it was a layaway 417 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,440 program. And you know, at that time, I 418 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,520 didn't realize how special those moments were because you really 419 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,640 had to bust your behind to make the money to pay to get your 420 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840 wife or kids the present that you wanted to get them, whether 421 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,120 it was for their birthday, Christmas or what have you. 422 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:46,800 Anniversaries. And then I got the WWE and, you 423 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,040 know, from ECW. And again, I made good. 424 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,080 I made good money my last two years in ECW, but it was coming 425 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,720 up was very, very hard. And you know, when I got to WWE 426 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,160 now all of this money comes in, all the fame, all the stuff 427 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,440 comes in. Now I can walk to a store and 428 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,040 see something going in and just buy it, you know, didn't have to 429 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,640 worry about putting it on layaway or anything like that. 430 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,760 I just went in there and bought it. 431 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,040 And to me, it got rid of the feeling that I used to get, like 432 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:24,280 the appreciation that I would have after buying the gift or 433 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,000 something like that in the window because I worked so hard 434 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,640 to get it. Where as in WWE, I worked hard, 435 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,160 but there was just so much money being made during that time 436 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,160 during the Attitude Era, that it wasn't that hard to do it. 437 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,520 You know, you could always appreciate something when you 438 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,360 put the hard work into it as opposed to just getting it. 439 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,120 Boom, OK, here you go. I missed those days. 440 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:53,000 It brought back certain memories of that when I watched the 441 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,360 documentary because I knew how it was during that time for me 442 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,800 growing up in the business, trying to make it, trying to 443 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,080 really, really establish myself, Bubba and myself, you know, so 444 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,240 it brought back so many memories. 445 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,240 And then not to mention just being on the same accord as the 446 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,120 fans. That was the one thing I loved 447 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,920 about ECW. When I think back after watching 448 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:19,920 the documentary, how when you're in WWE, you're kind of like, how 449 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,600 do I say it? You kind of like separated from 450 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,000 the fans, you know, you're like this huge superstar, you know, 451 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,560 that's on the Monday Night Raw and Smackdown at WrestleMania, 452 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,680 pay per views and you can't be touched, you know, Whereas in 453 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,160 ECW, we would just like the regular fans, you know, we, you 454 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,760 know, it was easy access to us. We had conversations. 455 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,480 We weren't bigger than what we were during that time. 456 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,760 In other words, you know, we were all on the same level, 457 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,080 believe it or not. We just happened to do things on 458 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,120 TV and act like a bunch of fools beating the hell out of each 459 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,560 other. But you know, that to me was 460 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,560 very special because I remember just meeting so many great 461 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,840 people, watching that documentary, looking in the the 462 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,120 arena as they were showing and looking at the fans sitting down 463 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,520 in the seats. I remember, man, I remember him. 464 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,600 I remember them. And it started bringing back 465 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,480 memories from me of conversations that I had with so 466 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,400 many of them. And then of course, you go to 467 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,680 WWE and you don't have that intimacy like you did when you 468 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,600 were with ECW. It's totally different and a lot 469 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,000 of faces that I see now and I went back for WrestleMania 40, 470 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,720 it was like they look familiar but I couldn't place it 'cause 471 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,840 it had been so many years since I seen them. 472 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,120 So they had to refresh my memories. 473 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,360 And some I felt bad because some I had really long good 474 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,600 relationships with and I just didn't remember, you know, and 475 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,880 I'm like, forgive me. Can you please remind me who you 476 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,480 are and how we connected? And they would tell me I was 477 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,240 like, Oh my God, I'm so sorry. How the hell are you? 478 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,240 How's the family? How's mom and dad, you know, and 479 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,880 things like that. And you know, it was it was 480 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,200 special moments back then that will never be duplicated. 481 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,200 And like I said, even with the money thing, you know, not being 482 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,800 able to buy, you know, your family, whatever, you know, 483 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,200 jewelry, whatever, video game system, whatever, at the time, 484 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,880 because you and everybody else in the company was trying to get 485 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,200 ECW to a certain level where you could make that type of money. 486 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,360 So the first three years of me being in ECW, it was rough. 487 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,040 I didn't make that much. If I'm not mistaken, I believe I 488 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:48,600 made $75 a night NECW Every time I wrestled it was $75 a night 489 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:56,080 and we wrestled two nights a week with the 4th week of the 490 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,680 month being off. So you talk about $150.00 a 491 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,720 week. I still had to work at the post 492 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,480 office, you know, because the company was just getting started 493 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,600 and they didn't have the budget to pay the big money. 494 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,080 And, you know, we all understood that. 495 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,280 And that's why we did what we did to put our bodies on the 496 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,000 line to try to make that company, not just some indie 497 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,000 company that was here today and gone tomorrow, but a legit force 498 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,080 to be reckoned with. We never thought in a million 499 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,200 years that we would help change the face of professional 500 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160 wrestling, and we did. We did just that. 501 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,800 I think the documentary was a tremendous documentary. 502 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,120 I just wish they could have did a second or third series on it 503 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,600 because there was so much more to ECW than what you saw. 504 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,400 There was so many people that are still alive today to tell 505 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,320 you everything that was going on. 506 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,880 I wish we could have seen more of the franchise. 507 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,960 Shane Douglas, Gary Wolf from The Pitbulls, Mikey Riprack, you 508 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,240 know, go get Spike. You know, Francine, you know, 509 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,760 all of these people that are still around this, you know, 510 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,760 that that can be able to tell these stories about how ECW 511 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,800 really was and what it was about how many tremendous matches 512 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,040 there were that we had that made ECW the phenomenon that it is. 513 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,320 That's what I wish that could have been told more of, but you 514 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,880 can only do it so much in 42 minutes. 515 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,880 I was happy that I was part of the 42 minutes that made that 516 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,000 happen. But I wish that they would do 517 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320 maybe two or three more series on it. 518 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,880 You know, like an episode 2, episode 3, episode 4. 519 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,360 You know, there was so many. Like for instance, you know, New 520 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,520 Jack, the gangsters, New Jack passed away, but Mustafa still 521 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,640 around, you know, why not get him? 522 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,680 Why not interview him and find out his thoughts and what he 523 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,440 thought about ECW and how it was with him and New Jack coming 524 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,120 from Smoky Mountain, coming to ECW, working with the Public 525 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,280 Enemy, working with John Cronus and Perry Sadden. 526 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,280 And that's another name that was very integral in making ECWA 527 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,280 success and that was Perry Sadden. 528 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,640 You know, he's still around, you know, get his thoughts and views 529 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,880 because he was dead right in it. You know, little Guido. 530 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,880 There's so many names that have stories to tell about ECW. 531 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,440 And then some of the legends like Tommy Rich, you know, that 532 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,280 was there. It, it's just, it just, I was 533 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,000 happy with the documentary, but I was also saddened because 534 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,920 there was so many people that we couldn't talk to in 42 minutes 535 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,320 that needed to tell the story as well, you know? 536 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,200 So I just wish we would have had more time to be able to do that 537 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,640 or more episodes to be able to do that 'cause there was just so 538 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:08,400 much more than what the fans saw on TV for that documentary. 539 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:15,000 And I'll put it you this way, if you watched ECW, then you 540 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,560 understood it. If you were there you definitely 541 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,800 understood, but if you weren't you would never understood. 542 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,360 Why should they understand why it was the way it was? 543 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,400 ECW was a very special place that will never be duplicated. 544 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,600 I don't care what people can say or try to re innovate, it'll 545 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,000 never be duplicated. You will never have the type of 546 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,240 men and women that were in that company that would want to put 547 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,120 their bodies and souls on the line to make that company the 548 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,480 number one company in the world. I see things that people do in 549 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:58,840 other organizations, whether they emulate Ecws craziness, and 550 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,880 sometimes it's taken way too far. 551 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,720 There's no story behind it. There's nothing behind it. 552 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,360 They just use light bulbs and stupid things like that just to 553 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,679 get the pop from the crowd. I'm like, the thing about ECW is 554 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:16,600 that we told a story and you invested it in that story. 555 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,679 That's what made ECW matches so good, because we told stories. 556 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,120 Were there matches that didn't have stories that was just 557 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,120 chaotic? Absolutely there were. 558 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,520 I'm not denying that. But think about all the matches, 559 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,280 you know, with us three being Beulah Mcgillicarry and telling 560 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,040 that story. It was, it was stuff like that 561 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,760 that made you hate the dubbies. The people were very invested in 562 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,040 the stories. And you know what? 563 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,040 It's funny to me that a certain person who owns a certain 564 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,120 company now used to be sitting in the ECW arena holding up 565 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:56,199 signs and cheering everybody on. I guess that makes him qualified 566 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,400 to run a huge company. So he does. 567 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,080 And I'm not knocking him. I, I listen. 568 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,920 When I met him, I thought he was a great guy. 569 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,160 I thought he was a little off, but I thought he was a great 570 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:12,920 guy. I thought that, you know, he was 571 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,440 a little out there, which a lot of people are if you're in this 572 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:22,600 business. But I don't think reality sits 573 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,240 in with him very well when he starts talking about the 574 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,280 business. I think he looks at it still 575 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,560 from a fan's point of view. And that's fine, but you have to 576 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,600 have somebody to be able to pull you back and to say, hey, 577 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,360 listen, you're not a fan anymore, you're an owner. 578 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,400 Let's start doing it the way we should do it. 579 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,320 And he doesn't have that person. You know, that's a great point. 580 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,600 And I think that that's a lesson for everybody, whether you're a 581 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:57,440 promoter or a vendor or somebody who is doing anything related to 582 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,560 pro wrestling, Once you're in, in any capacity you're in, 583 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,920 you're not a fan anymore. You shouldn't be conducting 584 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,320 yourself like a regular fan. You shouldn't be sitting there 585 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,000 trying to hustle to take pictures and get autographs and, 586 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,080 and, and you want to hug this one and all this nonsense. 587 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:27,640 It's like you're in you in some capacity are part of the club. 588 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,840 So act like you've been there and act like a professional. 589 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,880 It's it's fascinating to see how many people are out there 590 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,280 carrying on, you know, similar to Tony Khan, where it's just 591 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,000 like, buddy, what are you doing? You know what I mean? 592 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,920 There's business trying to be conducted here. 593 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,640 I digress, folks. You know that here on Devon and 594 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,880 the Duke, we've been a slow burn. 595 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,000 Really wanted you to get acclimated to listening to Devon 596 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,320 talk about his life and you know, things that are happening 597 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:10,680 currently and what have you. Now we feel it's time for Devon 598 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,400 to really lean back in the chair and start telling some some 599 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,760 stories and discussing things that you want to hear about from 600 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,680 his illustrious career. So certainly you can shoot me a 601 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,240 message on social media or you can e-mail 602 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,320 dukelovesraphson@gmail.com. Let me know what would you like 603 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,440 to hear Devon go long form about because there's so many things 604 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:44,640 to touch upon, whether it's from EC, www.e, TNA, whatever. 605 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,680 This guy has been around for so many different things. 606 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,560 In fact, Devon, I'll tell you a funny story here and I want to 607 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:57,440 get your take on this. There was somebody who makes no 608 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,040 bones about the fact that at a certain period of time they were 609 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:08,320 supplying the party favors for a lot of the the boys and the 610 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,360 ladies in the wrestling industry. 611 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:17,400 And this somebody when they they heard the first episode of Devon 612 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,440 and the Duke, they hit me up and they said, hey, Duke, you doing 613 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,440 that show with Devon? I said, yeah, he never did any 614 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,000 drugs. He's as square as square can be, 615 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,840 Devon Dudley, no matter what. And it was always around him, 616 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,680 but he personally never partake. He's a square. 617 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,440 I thought that was interesting, Devon, just the fact that this 618 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,040 person was so adamant about pointing out the fact that 619 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,920 you're a square. So let me let me get your take 620 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,160 on this kind of a change of pace for a second here. 621 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,120 What do you think when you hear that? 622 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,040 And a lot of, like we said earlier, my upbringing, how I 623 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,360 was brought up, I was told that you didn't need drugs, you need 624 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,920 a guard. You know, that was my drug of 625 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,840 choice. And I'm not going to sit here 626 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,560 and say I was the perfect guy because I wasn't, that I slipped 627 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,320 in other ways. Yes. 628 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,120 Was it drugs? No. 629 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,920 Did I have my fun? Absolutely I did. 630 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,440 But it was never to the point where it was alcohol or drugs. 631 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,920 Did I have my nights going out with the fellas, having a couple 632 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,480 of beers and a couple of shots? Absolutely I did. 633 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:38,160 Did I sit there taking nine to 10 to 15 Somers and passing out 634 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,560 in a diner and having somebody carrying me? 635 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,720 It would throw up all over me. No, I didn't do that. 636 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,480 Did I do cocaine? No. 637 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,000 Did I? Do you know LSD, Angel dust, 638 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,440 heroin or anything like that? No. 639 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,760 I never did anything unlike that. 640 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,680 I was very, I was very happy and proud that I never touched that 641 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,080 stuff and never did it. Was it offered to me? 642 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,600 Yes. But I was always scared about 643 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,840 the lingerings effects. I mean, look, I'm a, I'm huge on 644 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,440 on medical marijuana now. I love, I love medical 645 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,360 marijuana. I have my license here in 646 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,680 Florida. After my stroke, I decided to 647 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,240 invest in that as opposed to painkillers. 648 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,640 'Cause I didn't want to touch any painkillers, especially 649 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,200 after my back surgery where there was stuff that was offered 650 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,240 to me and I said Nope, don't want it. 651 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,640 I said all I need to do is renew my medical marijuana license and 652 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,720 I'm good to go. I was like, at least I know with 653 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,600 weed I can smoke it, kick out and be good. 654 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,680 The other drugs, not so much. So for the person that said I 655 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,680 was a square, thank you very much. 656 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,400 I appreciate that because I pride myself on that. 657 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,000 And again, I'm not saying I was a St. because I wasn't. 658 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,040 There were other demons that I was fighting, you know, like 659 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,200 women. I'd be the first to say, you 660 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,520 know, I love the women and that was, you know, my drug, you 661 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,720 know, back then when I first started because, you know, I 662 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,520 really, really enjoyed the lifestyle that I was having 663 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,040 during that time. The fame, being on TV, you know, 664 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,840 everybody flocking to you and this and that and blah, blah, 665 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,240 blah. You know, So I enjoyed myself 666 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,240 with that, but never to the point where it was drug related 667 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,960 or alcohol. You hear how candid he is. 668 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,280 Brothers and sisters, this is what we're talking about. 669 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,520 For the first time, you're going to hear Devon Tudley really dig 670 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,560 in and open up about some of these subjects. 671 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,560 Let's keep this train rolling, Devon. 672 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,600 We kind of have like a rapid fire situation going on right 673 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:53,040 now. ECW, we've seen it in 674 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,960 documentaries. We've we've read about in the 675 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,280 books, Paul Heyman has gone on record himself that ECW had 676 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,160 major financial issues and everybody wasn't always paid on 677 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,000 time and, and, and things of that nature. 678 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,240 So let me ask you directly here, Devon, did you personally ever 679 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:16,360 had any issues with payouts in ECW? 680 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:22,320 Was your money ever short? No, I will say Bubba and myself 681 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,600 never had a bounced check. Were there times where we left 682 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,440 the arena not having a check? And Paulie said, I promise you 683 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,200 it'll be in the mail. You know one of his true words 684 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,600 and but he did. I worked in the office, in the 685 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,600 ECW office myself, Dreamer and little Guido. 686 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,800 We were the ones that the fans, when they would call the office 687 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,480 for merchandise, we were the ones that were answering the 688 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,640 phones, putting the T-shirts or whatever merchandise that we 689 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,360 were selling at the time in the envelopes and dropping them off 690 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,960 at the post office to give to the fans. 691 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,040 You know, so I would see Paul Lee so you know, his with him 692 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,080 saying you know, if if if we didn't get if I didn't get my 693 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,600 check or what have you on the last day of the tour. 694 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,400 He always made good with it. You know, I never ever had the 695 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,840 want or need for a check when I was in ECW. 696 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,480 Paul Heyman took care of me. I mean, I can say the same for 697 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,120 Bubba. He took care of both of us. 698 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,120 Not that he was playing favoritism or anything like 699 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,920 that, but, you know, we did not have that problem. 700 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,800 And I'll, I'm blessed to say that I'm happy that that was the 701 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,880 case. And I feel bad that some people 702 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,840 did have to endure that because some people have families. 703 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:50,240 So they did feel the financial burden of the company hitting a 704 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:54,400 low at one point, you know, But I gotta say that it never 705 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,280 happened to myself or Bubba. And you know, again, I have 706 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,320 nothing but respect for Paul Heyman. 707 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:08,240 I always said this Paul Heyman made me a star coming from ECW. 708 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,760 Vince McMahon made me a superstar. 709 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,800 You know, one subject that a lot of fans have reached out and 710 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,640 asked that you open up about is New Jack. 711 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,520 You know, we brought his name up earlier, but New Jack from the 712 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,720 gangsters before he passed away, he had some pretty disparaging 713 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,520 things to say about you in in a number of shoot interviews, 714 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:38,600 Devon and I don't recall you ever publicly opening up about 715 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,360 New Jack and and your side of some of the things that he was 716 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,040 saying. So I'll just ask you directly. 717 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,400 Was there actual beef between you and New Jack? 718 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,800 And if so, why? What happened, man? 719 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,280 Yeah, that was real beef. It never came to blows. 720 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,120 When the beef happened, we had left and went to WWE. 721 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,120 It really wasn't with Bubba. It was with me and it was all 722 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,840 over. A certain female knew Jack was 723 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,920 talking to this female at one point and they had broken up. 724 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,440 It was like three or four years later, I wind up going to WWE. 725 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,280 Me and the girl bumped into each other. 726 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,760 One thing led to another and we wind up talking to each other. 727 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,440 Knew Jack found out about it and got mad. 728 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,320 And I remember going, Jack told me. 729 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,400 I was like, why are you angry? You hadn't talked to this girl 730 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,680 in three or four years, you know, I mean, and the way you 731 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,080 left off, it was real bad. In other words, you know, he 732 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,800 didn't like her. He didn't want anything to do 733 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,000 with her. You know, he would always pond 734 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,320 her off. In other words, you know, he 735 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,240 would leave and go, hey, can you stay with Keeper occupied until 736 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,800 I come back, you know, and, and anybody be like, yeah, sure, 737 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,880 nice girl, no issues whatsoever. But she wasn't ready for New 738 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,880 Jack. And it just so happened that her 739 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,360 and I started, you know, talking and meeting up. 740 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,560 And next thing you know, we dated for almost maybe about a 741 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,480 year or so and New Jack found out about it and was extremely 742 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,600 angry. And that was where the beef came 743 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,080 in. So, and I remember going to a 744 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,000 couple of times in interviews and I said, I'm not sure why 745 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,040 this man is totally angry with me when I approached him with 746 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,600 the situation at first. And I said, hey, listen, I was 747 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,000 like, you know, me and this person is hanging out. 748 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,520 You know, I kind of like, I kind of like, I'm digging under your 749 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,440 mind. If we, you know, start talking. 750 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,080 And his exact words were, I don't care, go ahead, do what 751 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,360 you want to do. And I was like, OK, but to me it 752 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,520 was kind of like with a, like with a female. 753 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,600 You know how a female you know, And you go to a female and you 754 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,680 go, babe, listen, I'm gonna go hang out with the fellas. 755 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,640 Are you cool with that? And she goes, oh, yeah, go 756 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,560 ahead, go. Yeah, you cool. 757 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,880 What time you coming back? Oh, I'll be back about 11/30/12. 758 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,960 All right, cool. Have fun. 759 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,240 And then you come back in the house and she mad as hell. 760 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,760 She mad as hell 'cause she went out on a date. 761 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,160 I mean, you went out hanging out with the fellas and you should 762 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,760 have been home. You should have been home. 763 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,280 You left me home over and that's the way I took it. 764 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,920 That's the way I felt. And I told Jack, I said, listen, 765 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,840 I'm sorry if you feel that way. I, you know, after everything 766 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,200 when he started saying, I said, but you know, I don't need to 767 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,680 check in with you. I didn't do anything wrong to 768 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,400 you. I said I didn't stab you in the 769 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,200 back. I came to you like a man and 770 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,200 said I was interested in talking to this person. 771 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,760 Do you have an issue with it 'cause you have been gone, you 772 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,240 have been separated with like 3 almost four years now. 773 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,040 You moved on, you got married, you got a, you got a, you got a 774 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,360 wife who had a kid and everything. 775 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,040 You had a, you had a whole life and he didn't see it that way 776 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,920 and that. And then, you know, I think this 777 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:07,200 was only a cover up where when me and Bubba, Vince McMahon came 778 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:13,200 to us and said he didn't want us to wear the and overalls anymore 779 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:19,000 because it represented ECW. He wanted a WWE feel, a WWE 780 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,640 look. So we were, you know, scratching 781 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,520 our heads trying to come up with something. 782 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,680 And then somebody said, why don't you do fatigues? 783 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,760 And at first we thought we were saying, oh, you mean like the 784 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,200 bushrackers and like, yeah, yeah, yeah, the bushrackers. 785 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,320 But, you know, we, me and Bubba came up with the different 786 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,000 color, not the green that they normally, you know, have for 787 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,760 fatigues, but the different color, the red, the green, the 788 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,800 yellow, you know, we came up with that. 789 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,680 We're like, all right, cool, so we'll do that. 790 00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:03,560 The the fatigues was something that WWE basically wanted us to 791 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,200 do and we weren't going to tell them no. 792 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:16,800 You know, the idea came up and they wanted something different 793 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:23,160 than ECW, so that was it. You know, I think Jack didn't 794 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,840 really have a lot of well, how do I say this? 795 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,240 I think Jack lost touch with reality for a little bit because 796 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,480 again, he wasn't the first person to wear fatigues. 797 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,160 You know, a lot of it. We were afraid that not that 798 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,200 they were going to look at us like the gangsters, but they 799 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,840 were going to look at us like the Bushwhackers because we 800 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,880 didn't want that because we wanted to be a serious team. 801 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:53,680 And of course we know that when the Bushwhackers came to WWE in 802 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,400 the 80s, nine 90s, late late 80s, going into the early 90s, 803 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,200 they were kind of like, you know, fun loving for kids and 804 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,680 stuff. And we didn't want that because 805 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:09,200 we wanted to be the hardcore Dudley's from ECW being known 806 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,960 for us. So that was one. 807 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,600 And then the issue with the music. 808 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,080 You know, I hate pyro. I don't like pyro at all. 809 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,360 It was WW ES idea to have the pyro come in now new jazz music 810 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,080 that he came out to in the Gangsters, America's Most Wanted 811 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,560 with Ice Cube and Doctor Dre. In the very beginning of the 812 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:37,280 song, it had like a, a missile dropping and of course the the 813 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,800 beat hit and of course the rap came in. 814 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,040 So that wasn't our, our idea. That was Jim Johnson, who was 815 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,240 head of the music department at the time. 816 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:55,080 We were called to go to gorilla position to basically when we 817 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,360 walked into to the to the building that day and they said 818 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,000 the dud, they said Dudley's they want to see you in gorilla. 819 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,840 So we said, all right, so we want the gorilla. 820 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,360 It was Jerry Brisco and he's like, Hey, Dudley's, we got new 821 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,920 music for you and a video package. 822 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,400 We want you to check it out. We were like, OK, and then we 823 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,200 have pyro as well. So I was like pyro and I can't 824 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,400 wait to see this. And they did the pyro, they hit 825 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,240 the music. We listened for a little bit and 826 00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,520 then we walked out and we watched the video package they 827 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,160 did. And we were like, OK, that 828 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,080 sounds like, you know, it could be something and it wind up 829 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,120 being something. The only thing that we had 830 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:40,080 control of music wise and how it went was Power Man 5000. 831 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,800 When the Dudley Boys got back together in 2002, after me being 832 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,640 on Smackdown doing Reverend Devon and him being on Roar 833 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:55,080 doing Bubba Ray Dudley, that was the only time we were able to do 834 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,320 that. They got the rights to Power Man 835 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,040 5000, they paid for it and we used it. 836 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:10,880 So that was the only thing that we had say something was that 837 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,760 particular song. Other than that, everything else 838 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,680 we didn't have any say so. I have never heard you tell that 839 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,960 story before but wow. Definitely sheds a lot of light 840 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,880 and explains why. Knew Jack was carrying on the 841 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,600 way that he did about you and again, God rest his soul. 842 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,720 Knew Jack not speaking I'll of the dead, but just closing the 843 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,520 loop on something providing some some facts. 844 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:37,360 The other side of the story, so to speak, from Devon Dudley 845 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,520 here. Yeah, I mean, you know, again 846 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:46,920 with the, I think a lot of it had to stem from the girl who, 847 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,600 you know, we didn't, you know, we, we only were together for 848 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:56,640 like a year or so. She went and got married and had 849 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,960 a kid, you know, had me as the godfather of the kid and the 850 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,600 whole night, good friends with the family and the whole night. 851 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:08,000 So it was never any animosity with me, with Jack, with this. 852 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,720 It was more on him because he took it personally. 853 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:16,200 Again, I go to you and I say, do you, Are you OK with this? 854 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,800 And I gave him the respect in doing that. 855 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,320 They had been gone. They have been done for about 856 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,560 three or four years. Again, I'll say it again, he 857 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,000 moved on. He got married. 858 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,640 The woman that he married had a kid and they were raising the 859 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,200 kid the whole night. Why do you care? 860 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,600 And that's the part that always, you know, made me think, what 861 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,200 the hell, Jack, you know, but it's it was new Jack at the 862 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,840 time. And, you know, you just had to, 863 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,240 you know, deal with it, you know, and the social media was 864 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,480 eating it up, you know, they were instigating it. 865 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,680 They were feeding into it. So whenever Jack would say 866 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,360 something, you know, on social media or what have you, you 867 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,160 know, oh, did you hear what New Jack said about you? 868 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,720 Oh, you know, he ate you up Devon and blah, blah, blah. 869 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,960 OK. And it got to the point where I 870 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,880 left it alone for a little bit and then all of a sudden I got 871 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,720 tired of the nonsense and I was just like, OK, enough's enough. 872 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:16,160 I'm not doing this no more. I was like, I'm going to fire 873 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,320 back. I'm going to say something 874 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,120 because I've had it. And that's when I did. 875 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,680 And he really got pissed off when we did the song. 876 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,160 We had enough because Jim Johnson came to me and said, you 877 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,960 know, Devon, is there anything that you wanna add into the song 878 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,560 that would that we just did in the studio? 879 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,720 So I said, yeah, I would like to add something. 880 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:46,880 So knowing that he was a big Tupac fan, I took something from 881 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,000 Tupac's song and I made it about Jack. 882 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,080 If I'm not mistaken, I believe it said all these other 883 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,080 wrestlers want to be like us, trying to take us down with just 884 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,160 one punch. Now you wonder why me and Bubba 885 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,160 blew you out. Next time grown folks are 886 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,920 talking bitch, close your mouth. Now you're looking like New Jack 887 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,680 flab, being sick, trying to hate, trying to play a hate on 888 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,960 our shit. We had enough and it went out, 889 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,280 you know, through WWE and WWE, you know, it's a big platform. 890 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,520 So everybody heard it and he lost his shit. 891 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,960 He fucking lost his shit. He went into the studio with 892 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:32,560 Bootsy Collins and decided that he was going to do a rebuttal to 893 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,600 it, but it never got off because he didn't have the same media 894 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:43,680 type of attention that WWE had. And that album that we did with 895 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,280 the WWE went it it it went, they did very well. 896 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,200 And so a lot of people were talking about it, you know, so, 897 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,560 I mean, it didn't get that the critics ate it up. 898 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,080 In other words, they didn't like it, but a lot of the fans did. 899 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,520 So it did. His song did not get anywhere 900 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,240 near the near play that the WWE version of We Had Enough did. 901 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,200 And that's how that went down. Well, there it is folks, and you 902 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,520 hear how Ken did. Once again, Devon Dudley is 903 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,800 about this stuff. Reach out. 904 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,840 Duke loves wrestling on social media. 905 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:23,120 dukelovesrosslyn@gmail.com Let me know what else do you want to 906 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,600 hear Devon go long form on? I mean, we'll, we'll dig up real 907 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,480 deep and tell these stories. Certainly a Devon, if they want 908 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,920 to reach out directly to you to provide some suggestions, what's 909 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,440 the best way they can reach out to you and also any aspiring 910 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,920 wrestlers out there If they want to check out Devon Academy plug 911 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,040 away Man, what's the best way that they can get in touch? 912 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,880 Well, they can reach me at Testify Devon on Instagram. 913 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:55,160 Testify Devon on Twitter. I am huge on Instagram. 914 00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,280 I think I talked to a lot of my followers on Instagram more than 915 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,800 I do Twitter. They can find me there. 916 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:09,880 You can also find me at DDA Devon Dudley Academy, which is 917 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,560 my wrestling school I have in Winter Park, which is only 918 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,760 three, three minutes away from the Performance Center. 919 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,840 We're producing tomorrow's stars and getting them ready. 920 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,800 You know, that's one thing I'm very proud of is that we have a 921 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,360 lot of students that came out of our school that you're now 922 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,960 seeing on WWETV. So, you know, again, I can't be 923 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,640 more than happy and proud of them and, you know, very happy. 924 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,680 You know, one is Dexter Loomis. He's one of my students, you 925 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,000 know, love him to death. I think I mentioned this last 926 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,800 week. Jessica Carr is another one. 927 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,960 Also. We call them Tefita and Partay, 928 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,400 Haku's boys, the one that's with Solo Sekola. 929 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,000 Now they're ours. You know, Bubba and I trained 930 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,240 them before they went to Japan, so we have a lot of history. 931 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:12,640 Leva Blue Pants is ours. Some pentacle who's in AW now? 932 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,800 Jonathan Cruz, he's ours. God, there's so many. 933 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,320 Josh Dawkins who's in NXT right now, he's ours. 934 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:28,080 And Lacey, by what's her name? Oh God, I know as Lacey because 935 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,800 that's her real name, but she's in WWE with I always mix this 936 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:32,760 up. I don't know why. 937 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,720 Carter, She's part of the tag team. 938 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,080 Kaden Carter. Damn, I can't remember that name 939 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,160 for nothing, but her real name is Lacey. 940 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,760 So I always call her Lacey. And the fans go what? 941 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,680 Who? But yeah, Kaden Carter is mine, 942 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,680 you know, and again, there's a lot of other people that are out 943 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,760 there that is mine as well. So, you know, our schools speaks 944 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,920 for itself on the people that we produce and get out of there. 945 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,240 And if you want to, if you want to, you know, become that WW 946 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,920 wrestler and you want to make it happen, you can always contact 947 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:12,000 me at Devon Dudley Academy or call us at area code 948 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:18,440 407-790-7800. Brothers and sisters, I want to 949 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,120 thank you for joining us for another episode of Devon and the 950 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,320 Duke. And until next time Devon take 951 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,560 us home. Do unto others as you would want 952 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,160 others to do unto you. That's the quote that I live by 953 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:37,560 and that's the quote that I love, Mr. Kelly Shivani and 954 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,920 we're definitely out of time on Duke Love Wrestling.