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Brothers and sisters, we are 
kicking off this episode of the 

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Devon and the Duke Podcast with 
a exclusive conversation with 

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one of the brightest stars on 
the indie scene today. 

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Check out my conversation with. 
Hey, this is Lady Bird, Monica 

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Monroe, the sweetest thing from 
Texas, and you're listening to 

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Duke Loves Wrestling. 
We're locked in. 

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Look at. 
What we have here folks, to the 

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only show that matters, the. 
Queen of the Crop Duke loves 

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wrestling and there is no. 
One that does it better than 

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your house. 
I have come here to chew bubble 

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gum and kick ass and I'm all out
of bubble. 

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Brothers and sisters, we have a 
very special guest here. 

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You could hear her giggling in 
the background because she is 

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full of life and positivity. 
But on top of that though, 

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she'll kick your butt if you 
step out of line, which you 

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know, you don't go messing with 
a Texas girl. 

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So without further ado, welcome 
to Duke Loves Wrestling. 

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Legitimately one of the shining 
stars, the up and coming stars 

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on the independent wrestling 
scene today. 

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Lady Bird, Monica Monroe, how 
you doing there? 

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Hello. 
Hey, Duke. 

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Thanks for having me doing 
great. 

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It is a pleasure to have you and
listen, I'm not going to play 

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games here, OK, because I'm 
talking to one of my Texas 

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cousins, Lady Bird and we got to
start talking some some some 

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down South stuff. 
I want to start with BBQ because

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I am a huge BBQ fan. 
I make my own sauces and rubs. 

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I'm all into it. 
So. 

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So talk to me about BBQ. 
When it comes to Texas BBQ, why 

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the Why is it the best barbecue 
around? 

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Oh my goodness, gosh. 
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of heart in Texas BBQ because a 
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events are, you know, surrounded
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kind of meal. 
It kind of brings people 

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together. 
So I know as cheesy as it 

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sounds, I think it's a lot of 
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around it. 
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around Texas who, you know, 
study that craft and love it 

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for, you know, football games 
and just really anything. 

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But that's what I would say, as 
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I mean, my favorite barbecues 
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backyard, so. 
That's cool. 

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Well, when it comes to the food 
itself, like think back to the 

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last time you had BBQ. 
What did you get and and and why

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did you get it? 
Literally yesterday I had some 

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brisket and I had some sausage 
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juicy and tender and it takes a 
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tender, you know, And obviously 
the sauce, you gotta slap some 

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sauce on it, a little spicy 
sauce, just good. 

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And it's protein, you know, as 
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protein and anytime I can get it
in. 

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So yeah, it's just delicious and
easy to eat. 

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I love that. 
Are are you a a dry rub or are 

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you a sauce kind of person? 
I'm a sauce girl. 

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How about you, Duke? 
You know, I, I, I'm, I'm not, 

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I'm not a sauce girl, but I'm 
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I, I love my sauce. 
I don't know why, you know, some

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people can eat meat and they 
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on it and that's the end of it. 
I don't know how they do it. 

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I, I think that these folks, we 
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Space Force and have them picked
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another planet and we got to 
deal with that. 

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Sauce your BBQ. 
OK, folks, sauce your BBQ. 

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I don't know what kind of 
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so you agree with me? 
I agree but I can see why people

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sometimes, you know with they 
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meat good enough to eat on its 
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sauce is kind of overpowering 
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sides. 
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sauce side for sure. 
I'm I'm going to tell everybody 

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out there right now, the only 
way you are going to get mussels

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like Lady Bird is to eat 
barbecue and sauce, OK? 

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That's just the way it has to 
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I'm I'm, I'm putting that out. 
There right now. 

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No confusion. 
That's right. 

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Yes, if you want a six pack, add
the sauce. 

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Add the sauce. 
That's right, add the sauce. 

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So you're a very interesting 
person and I've been keeping an 

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eye on your career since the 
beginning because for someone 

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who's only been in the industry 
for a few years, you've managed 

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to be in some pretty big time 
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And I commend you for that 
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I mean, that's your, your career
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literally 99.999% of wrestlers 
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They're they're never. 
Going to make it to TV. 

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Seriously, that they're never 
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never going to get matches and 
big promotions or what have you.

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And, and, and you've been 
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year one. 
What do you attribute your early

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success to? 
Like how did how did you do 

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that? 
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hear. 
Thank you, Duke, That that 

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really means a lot to just to 
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What do I contribute my success 
to early on training? 

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That's really what it comes down
to and having, you know, wanting

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it more than anything else, you 
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a nine to five outside. 
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should indulge in that. 
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know, my daily to do's, I have 
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You know, my whole day is 
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So I, I trained at this little 
gym with no AC called America's 

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Academy of Pro Wrestling. 
And that the trainer over there,

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Papa Don has, you know, been in 
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And one thing I love about 
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don't make a lot of money, 
right? 

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These businesses don't make lots
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indie scene. 
So you, these trainers have to 

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have a lot of passion. 
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definitely had that. 
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that love of wrestling from him 
and by everyone who was training

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there that, you know, I just 
showed up every day to train and

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I wanted to be the best at this 
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I have, you know, an athletic 
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I have a cheerleading, 
gymnastics, soccer. 

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I've been doing, you know, 
sports since I was four years 

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old, right? 
So I think that really helped in

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the beginning of me wrestling 
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Talk to me about that viral clip
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this battle to the bell. 
In reality, you're wrestling and

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you are holding a ladder. 
You put it down, you did some 

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kind of like upside down 
handstand thing, you wrapped 

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your legs around the ladder and 
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To. 
Ascend the ladder because of 

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that. 
Talk to me about this thing. 

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Here because this is pretty cool
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A pretty agile person, right? 
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wrestling, moments are really 
important, having specific 

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moments. 
You know what I learned from OVW

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with Al over there was moves 
don't, well, moves don't sell 

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seats. 
It's characters, it's moments. 

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And that was really kind of a 
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Lady Bird is, is I'm super 
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basically anything to get the 
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way. 
So that was just a, a really 

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nice moment for me to have in 
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And I actually have to give 
credit to the people at Roe 

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because that was actually 
something that someone came to 

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me about and they said, hey, I 
think this would be great if you

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could do this. 
I think you have the athletic 

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ability to do it. 
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probably, I don't know, 20 
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And then, yeah, then I'm, we put
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Well, it definitely was a big 
hit and again, I commend you for

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it because that is not easy to 
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In fact, one of these days, 
we're going to see you in the 

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the Royal Rumble and you're 
going to be doing some amazing 

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things. 
I'm putting that out there right

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now to the universe, Lady Bird, 
Monica Monroe is going to be in 

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the Royal Rumble. 
She's going to be in ladder 

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matches. 
She's going to be in these 

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matches where she's able to show
off these these amazing agility 

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skills. 
And fans are going to go nuts 

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for it just like they did when 
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I mean, really, really cool 
stuff there. 

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So again, kudos to you. 
Now I know that you are Texas. 

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You are Texas through and 
through you and your family. 

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So we're talking cowboy hats and
cowboy boots and and all that 

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good stuff there. 
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Talk to me about country music. 
Like who who? 

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Who are your favorite country 
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And really, what songs do you 
listen to to get yourself pumped

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up before matches? 
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That's a good question. 
Country. 

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I normally like more sad country
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2000s country with like Keith 
Urban and Tim McGraw, Miranda 

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Lambert, you know, all those, 
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But you know, Beyoncé's a 
country girl and she just put 

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out a country album. 
So if I really do want to get 

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pumped up, I mean my Houston, TX
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something to get me pumped up 
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What's another good one that I 
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Oh, Family traditions. 
That's a really good song, a 

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little honky tonk kind of song. 
So stuff like that. 

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And I hear the little birdie 
told me, a little birdie told me

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about lady Bird that you are A2 
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even taken 2 step lessons and 
all that good stuff there. 

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So let's talk about it. 
What is 2 step? 

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I'd say I'm pretty good. 
I started learning back when I 

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and we had a substitute or 
something and a little country 

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boy, because I'm from a small 
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I grew up, you know, went to 
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A little country boy friend of 
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step. 
It's really just kind of take 

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two steps forward, one step 
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You take a half step forward and
A and a step back and you just, 

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you know, spin around and twirl 
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I did that most of my, you know,
when I was in my teens, you 

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know, I would go to clubs and 
two step for, you know, this is 

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my favorite activity to do. 
I would do that every weekend. 

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I just love being twirled around
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a good time. 
Yeah, it's it's awesome. 

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Have you ever 2 step Duke? 
I actually have, you know, I I 

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grew up on boot scootin boogie. 
OK, so I I mean I'm a real. 

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Country music. 
Fan from way back. 

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I've I've done swing dancing, 

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waltz, all kinds of different. 
Types I I think. 

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Dance lessons through the years,
yeah. 

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But I love country music and and
I go back to early Garth and and

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and Travis Tritt, Randy Travis 
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Like that real golden age of 
country in the 80s and 90s where

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the music videos were starting 
to influence what people 

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So it was really interesting to 
see the mix of the two and and 

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just how you know, everyone has 
YouTube today, but back then you

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had to watch CMT channel country
music television. 

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Which was the country? 
Version of MTV in order to 

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figure out what the next big 
song was going to be And and and

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some of those songs they would 
show you how to dance. 

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You know what I mean? 
So those were some fun years in 

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country music what happened? 
But yes, I definitely know how 

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to two step. 
I I can't do it like you, but I 

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can sure so try OK. 
I'd love to see it. 

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Now what about the singing? 
Because you do everything else. 

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Can you sing as well? 
Oh gosh, in the shower or at a 

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concert when I'm tuned out by 
everyone else? 

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No, I mean, my sisters sing and 
they're phenomenal at it. 

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I kind of grew up. 
I did choir and all that fun 

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stuff. 
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something I'm trained in in any 
way, you know? 

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But I admire the people who do 
May. 

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Maybe one day, maybe one day, I 
can start singing again. 

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You know, folks, we're talking 
here to Lady Bird, Monica Monroe

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and and I'm telling you right 
now, you can hear it from her. 

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She is a person that is so she's
infectious, you know what I 

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mean? 
Just a positive person doing 

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some great things out there. 
So many wonderful experiences. 

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She is the the American dream. 
So when it comes to a a star 

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that's out there, a new star 
who's on the hunt, on the 

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ascent, all the big companies 
out there are going to be making

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big offers to her in the not too
distant future. 

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This is somebody to get behind. 
You know what I mean? 

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She can 2 step. 
She can she can tell you about 

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the best barbecue and if she has
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she'll do a little flip 
something or other and and get 

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up on top of that thing and she 
might actually jump off of it on

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you. 
So you got to watch yourself. 

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But this is really a special 
person that we really, you know,

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here at Duke loves wrestling. 
We really want to highlight and 

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put our stamp on and say, hey, 
she's next. 

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OK. 
So for all of you challengers 

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out there, if you're looking for
a great opponent, go up to your 

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promoter and let them know right
now, Lady Bird Monica Monroe is 

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open for business. 
So let's get it on. 

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I'm gonna tell you that right 
now. 

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What do you think about that 
Lady Bird? 

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Am I? 
Am I saying it right? 

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Darn right. 
Yes, yes, absolutely. 

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Thank you for that, Duke. 
It really means a lot. 

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What What can folks expect when 
they come out and they see Lady 

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Bird Monica Monroe wrestle? 
What, what? 

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What can they expect to see from
you? 

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Oh, that's a great question. 
Well, the first thing you're 

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gonna see is I dress well for 
you. 

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I like to look good when I'm out
there, so I'm a a good sight for

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your eyes and I don't need to 
Bose myself up. 

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But we do it for the fans, we do
it for you guys. 

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And then you're gonna see some 
fun stuff. 

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You're gonna see me doing some 
flips and tricks. 

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And not only that, you're gonna 
see me kicking ass, beating up 

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my opponents. 
It's a good time. 

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I think I'm trying to always be 
unique, be a little different 

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with what I deliver in the ring.
So you'll hopefully see 

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something special and unique 
when I'm when I'm out there 

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wrestling. 
Talk to me about tag team 

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wrestling 'cause that's also 
something that you've become 

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pretty experienced at as well, 
right? 

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Yeah, yeah, I actually learned 
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Basham. 
He was like, you know, he was in

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A tag team back in his WWE days,
the Basham Brothers. 

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So I kind of got to learn from 
someone who was, you know, 

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signed with a, a major company. 
I, you know, So yeah, I did, I 

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did that for a while at OVW for 
about 5 months. 

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And then I've come back to, to, 
to Texas and then started doing 

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it at reality of wrestling with 
my, my main B, my girl Gigi Ray,

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me and her actually met. 
We were both newbies in the 

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business. 
We started writing together and 

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then we became best friends. 
So she's the perfect person to 

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tag with. 
She's, we have similar styles. 

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She's just a bad ass. 
She's delivering these big 

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moves. 
We're both studying, you know, 

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matches. 
So yeah, I, I love tag team 

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wrestling. 
It's definitely, it's definitely

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different from singles, but I I 
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on a a partner in a match. 
Awesome, awesome stuff. 

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So once again, folks, she is 
very versatile. 

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She'll give you tag matches, 
she'll win gauntlet matches, 

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everything in between. 
I'm telling you right now, Lady 

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Bird, Monica Monroe, do not 
forget that name. 

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You will be seeing her all over 
your TV screens, no question 

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about it. 
In fact, Lady Bird, for anyone 

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out there, especially promoters,
if they want to reach out to you

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and do some business, what's the
best way they can do that? 

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Yeah, that'd be great. 
You can message me. 

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You can e-mail me at 
russellladybird@gmail.com or 

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find me on X or Instagram. 
Send me Adm. 

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I'd love to work all around the 
US. 

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Yeah, just message me and we can
start a conversation. 

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Awesome stuff. 
Awesome, awesome. 

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Before I let you go, I got to 
ask this last question because 

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it's very important, OK? 
This is the biggest question 

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that you've ever been asked in 
your career. 

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So let's see where we're going 
to go with this year, OK? 

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You're you're you're Texas now 
and you're talking to a Yankee 

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here. 
I'm Boston. 

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All right, so. 
You know, we, we, we're cousins,

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but very different in a lot of 
ways here, here in Boston, we 

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call it soda, OK? 
That's what we call it. 

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It's soda, the little fizzy 
drink. 

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We call it soda. 
We don't call it anything else. 

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We might call it by it's brand 
name, but it's soda, all right? 

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And we stand hard and firm on 
this. 

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This is the way we roll. 
So Lady Bird, Monica Monroe, you

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got the entire state of Texas on
your shoulders right now. 

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All right, we need to know the 
answer to this. 

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What do you call fizzy drinks 
down there? 

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Oh my goodness, we, I don't want
to disappoint anyone from Texas,

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but I, you know, I'm going to 
speak for the Texans. 

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I'd say we call it pop. 
How do you feel about that? 

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Does that enrage you? 
Well, ladies and gentlemen, I 

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take back everything positive 
I've ever said about this lady. 

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She has completely turned heel 
on me. 

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OK, so we're putting a bounty on
the head of Lady Bird, Monica 

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Monroe. 
If there is any wrestler on the 

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planet who wants to straighten 
her out for having the audacity 

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to call fizzy drinks pop, I will
get the Harley Race briefcase 

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full of money. 
Take the money. 

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I want you to straighten out 
Lady Bird Monica Monroe, because

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clearly she's gone the opposite 
way during this conversation. 

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I can't believe she just turned 
on us folks. 

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OK, I can't believe you, Lady 
Bird. 

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I had to, I had to defend a 
whole state. 

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Most importantly folks, do it 
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Brothers and sisters, welcome 
back. 

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Welcome back to another exciting
episode of the Devon and the 

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Duke Podcast. 
This is a limited edition series

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hosted by your main man. 
Duke loves wrestling. 

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And of course, the Hall of Famer
himself. 

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The man that went viral once 
again, especially with his, with

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his dance moves and his 
preaching. 

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We're talking about the man, the
myth, the legend, Mr. Devon 

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Dudley. 
How you doing there Devon? 

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I'm doing good man, not bad at 
all. 

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Just one day at a time, doing 
what I got to do. 

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So so we got to jump right into 
this man. 

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You went viral with this music 
video that she had with Trick 

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Williams and and the return of 
Reverend Devon. 

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OK, what? 
What was going on up there with 

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this video, brother? 
Well, Trick asked me to come and

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do the video. 
I really don't watch the product

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as much as I should because I, 
you know, I have kids and 

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businesses outside of the 
business, so it's very hard for 

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me to keep up with everything 
that's going on. 

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And so I basically got a phone 
call from Trick asking me to be 

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in the video and to do the 
Reverend Yvonne. 

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And I said, yeah, I said sure. 
So I'd love to do it because, 

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you know, Trick and I, when I 
was in NXT, you know, we became 

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friends and you know, we clicked
on every cylinder and you know, 

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anything that he want for me, 
he's got it and vice versa. 

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So it was one of those things 
where when he called me, I was 

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very happy to be a part of it 
and, you know, just couldn't 

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wait to sit down and collaborate
with him. 

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How talented is this trick 
Williams man? 

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I mean what, what a what a 
special young man he is and the 

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fact that he's already a two 
time NXT champion is just 

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fantastic. 
What are your thoughts on him as

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as a as a Hall of Famer? 
Checking out his work, 

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interacting with him behind the 
scenes? 

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What are your thoughts on trick?
I think trick has come a long 

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way. 
I think, you know, when he came 

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in and he became a part of 
Carmelo's stable, so to speak, 

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he was kind of like a side 
piece, you know, on the side 

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and, and basically, you know, he
was developing his own 

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character. 
He was developing his own style 

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in the process of it. 
So becoming second to somebody 

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is not necessarily a bad thing. 
If you take advantage of it, it 

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can work out great for you. 
And I think this worked out 

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great for Trick. 
And This is why he's in the 

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position that he's in, because 
even though Carmelo really got a

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lot of the press, he basically 
learned and was always asking 

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questions and he basically, you 
know, studied. 

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And now look at him now. 
Two time NXT champion and he's 

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on top of the world now. 
So very proud and happy for 

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Trick and now the Sky's the 
limit. 

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Sky's the limit. 
Absolutely. 

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And folks, don't forget we're 
talking November 6th, OK? 

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They're going to be at the the 
ECW Arena with some folks call 

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the 2300 arena in Philadelphia, 
PA, NXT on CW. 

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So this is going to be a big 
event. 

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There's going to be a lot of 
familiar faces who are going to 

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be showing up. 
You never know what kind of 

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surprises to expect there. 
So you definitely want to tune 

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in if you have an opportunity to
be there live, make sure you 

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take your pictures, use the 
hashtag WWENXT, the whole 9 

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yards. 
Be part of some history there 

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for sure. 
So there was a little 

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controversy that happens Devon 
and and you know, I definitely 

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want to make sure that I talk 
about this on air because I know

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folks are are waiting to hear, 
you know, the final word on 

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this. 
So I you know, I'm going to take

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a minute here and just go over 
it. 

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First and foremost, shout out to
Chris Bay from TNA and also 

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baking go, you know the the 
Mexican wrestler who also has 

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been doing some shots in the 
United States. 

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Both of those guys in the past 
few days have been injured in 

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the ring. 
Unfortunately. 

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Not really sure the extent of 
the Kingo's injury. 

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I know it was a leg injury and 
we definitely wish him a speedy 

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recovery. 
In the case of Chris Bay, 

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there's been some information 
that's come out that he had to 

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have emergency neck surgery and 
the surgery was successful. 

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So he's on the mend and who 
knows the next time he's going 

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to be back in the ring. 
And that's not really as 

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important as making sure that 
his health and safety are OK. 

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So definitely, you know, shout 
out to Chris BAE and the Kingo, 

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and we wish you both a speedy 
recovery. 

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Now, the interesting thing 
happened as soon as BAE had that

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injury in it and it made its 
rounds online, someone, a very 

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close personal friend of his, 
set up a GoFundMe and I believe 

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the original goal was like 
$50,000. 

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They've they've since changed it
to $100,000 because so much 

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money is poured in in support of
Chris Bay. 

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So I had tweeted out a message, 
you know, he didn't he get 

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injured in the ring. 
Why are we soliciting funds from

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fans? 
Shouldn't the promotion be 

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paying for this? 
This is ridiculous. 

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So I put that out there and you 
folks know me. 

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I, I'm not one to hold my 
tongue. 

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I share my opinion just like 
everybody else. 

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I don't swear. 
I don't cuss anybody out or 

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anything like that. 
You guys know that I'm, you 

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know, I, I don't work blue, so 
to speak. 

446
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,760
I'm more of a Sinbad, if you 
know the, the comedian Sinbad. 

447
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,400
I, I, I talk about life and 
ironic things and I'm very 

448
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,800
specific about what I'm saying. 
But I, I make sure that I'm 

449
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,160
being professional at the same 
time as I say it. 

450
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,240
To my surprise, so many people 
jumped all over me on this. 

451
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,160
There are definitely people who 
agree, but so many people, oh, 

452
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,320
how dare you. 
And this is about supporting 

453
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,120
Chris. 
And you can't be so negative and

454
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,800
all. 
So then I said, wait a second. 

455
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,280
It is unsustainable to treat 
fans as if there's some kind of 

456
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,720
unlimited ATM. 
And unfortunately, we've seen 

457
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,240
this happen throughout the years
where folks keep hitting fans up

458
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,720
for money. 
And it's not a transaction. 

459
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,000
It's not like buy my 
merchandise, come out to a show 

460
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,760
or whatever. 
No, this is literally give me 

461
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,360
money to pay my bills. 
And hey, this is a bad economy 

462
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,640
for everybody. 
The average person is working 

463
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,040
more than one job just to make 
ends meet. 

464
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,840
We're coming off of terrible 
hurricanes that just happened. 

465
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,720
We're coming with, you know, 
we're in the midst of a possible

466
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,000
World War Three happening out 
there. 

467
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,960
We got the holiday season coming
up. 

468
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,800
Financially, most people are 
pretty strapped. 

469
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,320
And as a fan, I'm not a 
wrestler. 

470
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,640
I'm not in the wrestling 
industry. 

471
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,040
I do this show to highlight all 
the legends and and the folks 

472
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,040
breaking into the business, 
everybody in between. 

473
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320
That's what I do. 
But I'm not a wrestler and I 

474
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,160
never pretend to be. 
But as a fan, I'm pointing out a

475
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,320
reality here. 
Hey, it's time to stop hitting 

476
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,400
us up for these, these, these 
funds. 

477
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,200
You know, we're all human beings
here. 

478
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,200
And, and if I fall on hard 
times, I can't go to you and ask

479
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,240
you for money. 
So stop asking me. 

480
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,760
Just a general point, whether 
you agree or disagree, just a 

481
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,640
general point. 
But on top of that, I said, hey,

482
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,320
This is why wrestlers need to 
unionize so they can have these 

483
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,040
protections in place. 
If I get injured at work, 

484
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,640
there's workman's comp, right? 
I, if I have lost wages, that 

485
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,520
gets covered. 
I got medical bills that gets 

486
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,160
covered. 
Independent contractors in the 

487
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,600
pro wrestling industry don't 
have those protections. 

488
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,320
And I think there's something 
wrong with that. 

489
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,560
I think you deserve it, all of 
you wrestlers out there. 

490
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,720
So that was the point I was 
making. 

491
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,040
Unfortunately, a lot of people 
took issue with that, including 

492
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,760
former WWE referee Jimmy 
Corderas, which, you know, 

493
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,880
Jimmy, you said a lot of 
disparaging things about me and 

494
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,000
I'm just going to tell you right
now, you don't know me. 

495
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,320
I don't know you. 
If you disagree with me, that's 

496
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,800
OK. 
But there was no reason for you 

497
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,480
to to call me a douche nozzle 
and an idiot and cuss me and all

498
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,520
this other stuff. 
Jimmy Corderas, you, you know, 

499
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,000
you, you Jelly back humanoid 
bastard. 

500
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,000
There was no reason for you to 
speak to me like that. 

501
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,360
Because if you're benefiting 
from the fact that the wrestling

502
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:12,320
industry is not unionized and 
good for you, that's not going 

503
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,840
to stop me from saying that the 
wrestlers deserve it, Jimmy. 

504
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,960
And the last time I checked, 
referees were employees in the 

505
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,360
WWE. 
So you had benefits that the 

506
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,760
people who are out there risking
their lives every day in that 

507
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,480
ring didn't have. 
I'm advocating for them. 

508
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,480
Mr. Slapped the mat. 
You were completely covered. 

509
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:33,200
So you, you, you take that song 
and dance somewhere else, Sir. 

510
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,120
That's that's all I say to that.
Listen, folks, you know me. 

511
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,520
I'm not here to be liked about 
what I said. 

512
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,960
I'm not here to be disagreed 
with. 

513
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,240
I just point out the fact and I 
push conversation and I'm pretty

514
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,680
effective at it. 
For some reason, people can't 

515
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,320
stop responding when I do these 
things because they know what 

516
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880
I'm saying is true. 
And if that forces the 

517
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,640
conversation to come back into 
the forefront and so be it. 

518
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,600
There was a point where a 
wrestling union almost happened 

519
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,320
a few years ago, but 
unfortunately the guy who was 

520
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,920
leading it, David Starr, he got 
caught up in the Me Too stuff. 

521
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,000
And if any of that stuff was 
true, what was said about him, 

522
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,480
that's unfortunate, you know, 
because the whole wrestling 

523
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,400
union thing died with that 
moment. 

524
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,880
And that sucks because again, 
the wrestlers do deserve it. 

525
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,560
There are parts of this industry
that are making money hand over 

526
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,720
fist right now and it is 
wonderful. 

527
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,320
The spoils are happening, but 
for the most part, people are 

528
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,320
struggling. 
And if Chris Bay needs a 

529
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,920
GoFundMe to pay his bills after 
getting hurt in a wrestling ring

530
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,160
when he is literally on TV, not 
only United States but also in 

531
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,200
Japan, he got that New Japan 
deal as well. 

532
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,480
Something is wrong with that in 
my opinion. 

533
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:48,480
Have the conversation, figure it
out, but the fans can't keep 

534
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,480
supporting that. 
That's just my opinion. 

535
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,280
That's what the what fans that I
talk to all the time, they say 

536
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,520
the same thing kind of hard up 
here. 

537
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,600
They're the ones asking for 
money too, because they're in 

538
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,840
financial turmoil. 
So come on, guys. 

539
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,400
I think the the faucet is being 
shut off a little bit here. 

540
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,560
But again, I wish a speedy 
recovery to everybody and, and I

541
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,840
don't wish bad on anyone. 
Don't want to see anyone get 

542
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,920
injured out there. 
But you know, there's a right 

543
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,440
way to do this long term and I 
think the industry needs needs 

544
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,960
to take a look at it. 
Devon, any thoughts on that? 

545
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,200
You know, the GoFundMe, you 
know, does help a lot of 

546
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,960
wrestlers because, you know, we 
don't have a union. 

547
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,200
I know Jesse Ventura talked 
about it in the documentary and 

548
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,720
so many other documentaries that
they did on pro wrestling where 

549
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,680
he tried to form a union. 
And all of a sudden, I think it 

550
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,600
was Hogan, I believe, that blew 
the whistle on him and went to 

551
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,600
Vince and told him what they 
were trying to do. 

552
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,480
It's very hard for a lot of 
these guys to really make, you 

553
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480
know, they people look at us as 
making millions and millions of 

554
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,040
dollars and some, some of us 
are. 

555
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,080
But then you have some guys and,
you know, certain promotions 

556
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,240
that aren't making that it's 
almost like it, it's like the 

557
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,760
rap world in a sense. 
And what I mean by that is some 

558
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,120
of these guys are portraying 
that they're, you know, got more

559
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,040
money than God and this and 
that. 

560
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,600
But then you come to find out 
that they're not, they don't 

561
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,600
have that money because the 
music industry, you know, robs 

562
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,880
them blind. 
I think that has to do with the 

563
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:31,680
case with some promotions. 
Some promotions do not pay the 

564
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,080
talent what they're really 
entitled to pay. 

565
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,680
But that's been for years, you 
know, across the board, you 

566
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,240
know, for what we do in that 
ring, we should be getting paid 

567
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,600
a lot more than what we get 
paid. 

568
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,080
And, you know, that's the fight 
that's always been with 

569
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,760
wrestlers for decades, well, 
long before I came in this 

570
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,960
business. 
And it seems like the promoters 

571
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,840
are the ones that are getting 
rich off our blood, sweat and 

572
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,480
tears. 
So it's one of those things 

573
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,000
where, you know, I kind of 
understand where it's coming 

574
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,440
from because, again, the company
should be paying for it, but 

575
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,560
they don't. 
And a lot of the organization's 

576
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,120
top organizations feel like you 
need to have your own insurance 

577
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,560
just in case something like that
happens. 

578
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,080
So I'm not sure what that young 
man's deal is in terms of what 

579
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,360
he's making in TNA or things 
like that. 

580
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:39,280
I do know that when I was in TNA
during the Dixie regime, a guy 

581
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,920
named Jesse Swanton, I think it 
was his name, he was a student 

582
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:48,120
of ours who basically made it to
and made it to TNA at the time, 

583
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,960
broke his neck in the ring. 
And, you know, Dixie swore that 

584
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,920
she was going to take care of it
and not to worry, told his mom, 

585
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,520
you know, that, you know, you 
have nothing to worry because 

586
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,240
the mother was sitting ringside 
when the accident happened, told

587
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,080
him that she was they were going
to take care of it. 

588
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,440
You don't have to worry about a 
thing. 

589
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,440
You know, we got this. 
And come to find out that the 

590
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,080
mother wound up selling, had to 
sell her restaurant, I believe, 

591
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680
or something like that to pay 
for the medical bills because 

592
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:25,280
apparently the promise that was 
given to Jesse wasn't done. 

593
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,800
The bills were not paid and he 
needed to pay the money, you 

594
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,440
know, that they did for all the 
surgeries. 

595
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,160
And if you know anything about 
broken necks and the stuff that 

596
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,200
you have to go through, it's a 
lot of money. 

597
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,920
It really, I mean, you could 
lose everything just to pay for 

598
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,800
those bills. 
And then not to mention the 

599
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:50,440
countless rehab that you have to
go through just to get back to 

600
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,480
even half the way you once was. 
So, you know, and that hurt me 

601
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,320
when I heard that because, 
excuse me, you know, you, you 

602
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,920
got to look at it as this man 
went in that ring and put his 

603
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:07,080
life on the line to entertain. 
Yes, this is a love that he had 

604
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,280
for the business and he knew the
consequences. 

605
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,360
I get that and understand that. 
But at the same token, when you 

606
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,400
have top promoters telling you 
that they're going to take care 

607
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,159
of you if something goes wrong, 
you know they're betting 9 out 

608
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:20,960
of 10 times is not going to 
happen. 

609
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,679
But it's always that one time 
that it does happen. 

610
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,880
Then what? 
Then your ass out if they don't 

611
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,960
keep their promise and take care
of you during that time. 

612
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:37,560
So it's really hard in a sense, 
to not understand where they're 

613
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,040
coming from because, again, the 
bill for something like that can

614
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,000
be crazy. 
And I get it. 

615
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960
You know, the fans, you know, 
are tapped out to, we're all 

616
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,880
living in an economy that it's 
rough right now and that we all 

617
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,200
need that handout as well. 
But my thing is, if the fans are

618
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,840
willing to do it to help them 
out, then, you know, so be it. 

619
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,160
You know, because again, we are 
putting our lives out there and 

620
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,280
we are putting our bodies and 
things like that, taking time 

621
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,040
away from our families and, and 
everything, you know, to do 

622
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,880
this. 
You know, luckily when I had my 

623
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,880
stroke and I had my back 
surgery, I was an employee of 

624
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,560
the company and I was able, I 
had the benefits and all of that

625
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,920
to take care of that. 
You know, getting health 

626
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,400
insurance on your own is very, 
very rough. 

627
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,160
I think I was, I think I was 
paying almost something like 

628
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:42,320
almost sixteen, $1800 a month 
for health insurance for me and 

629
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,280
my family, you know, at one 
point. 

630
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,560
And then all of a sudden I 
became an employee of the 

631
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,480
company and you know, didn't 
have to worry about that in the 

632
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,280
morning. 
I was paying like $100 for my 

633
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,680
family at that point because it 
was employee. 

634
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,400
But it's rough man. 
And again, I hope, I wish that 

635
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,360
brother a very fast and speedy 
recovery. 

636
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,720
May God with you, May God be 
with you. 

637
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,800
But again, hopefully he gets 
back on his feet and he's able 

638
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,520
to do what he truly loves. 
And you know, again, my my heart

639
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,720
and prayers go out to him and 
his family. 

640
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,560
I believe the guy's name is 
Jesse Sorensen. 

641
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,800
And I, I remember that injury. 
Woof, that was a tough one. 

642
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,640
He was out for a few years 
because of that. 

643
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,880
He did eventually make his 
return to pro wrestling, but 

644
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,600
obviously you have a major neck 
injury that takes a lot out of 

645
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,960
you and you never quite the same
after that. 

646
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,760
So definitely shout out to Jesse
and shame on Dixie Carter for 

647
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,000
not falling through, you know, 
leading this young person 

648
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,440
believe that the company would 
support them and ultimately they

649
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,120
did not. 
That's just piss poor management

650
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,840
in my opinion. 
There's no two ways about it. 

651
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,640
I I wonder, Devon, when it comes
to management, when it comes to 

652
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:01,400
the professionalism and the 
support that you've received 

653
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,800
throughout your career, if you 
could pick one promotion that 

654
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,680
you felt compared to everybody 
else, they got it done right, 

655
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,600
especially in a particular time 
period in your career, when 

656
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,920
would that be and what promotion
would would you give the nod to 

657
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,480
saying that? 
Yeah, out of all the ones I 

658
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,480
dealt with, they were the best. 
Well, no doubt WWE, you know, 

659
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,240
under the Vince regime, 'cause I
don't know, the Hunter regime, 

660
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Vince always took care of you. 
He was never one of those guys 

661
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,200
that made promises that he would
do something when you got hurt 

662
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,840
and didn't follow through with 
it. 

663
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,800
If you got hurt 9, I would say 9
out of 10 or 10 out of 10 times 

664
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,560
you would you were taken care 
of, you know. 

665
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,200
So I never really had a problem 
with that. 

666
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:58,720
The organization, in terms of 
how an office should be run, was

667
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,000
top of the line. 
So when you went to these other 

668
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:10,240
organizations that were under 
WWE, meaning not on the same 

669
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,240
level, you kind of saw the 
writing on the wall with that. 

670
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,440
And there was a couple of times 
when me and Bubba was like, man,

671
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,720
if this was WWE, it wouldn't be 
run like this because that's 

672
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:28,600
just the way it was. 
You know, we basically realized 

673
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,680
very early when we left in 2005 
and went to other organizations 

674
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,960
how businesses should not be 
run, especially from an office 

675
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,440
standpoint. 
I think the only thing that was 

676
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,600
close to being top notch when it
came to business in an office 

677
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,480
was the Japan organizations. 
They were on top of this stuff. 

678
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,120
They had everything running like
a world oil machine. 

679
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,280
They were very, very good when 
it came to stuff like that. 

680
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,680
I don't think Hunters in terms 
of taking care of business is 

681
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,920
any is that much different than 
the way Vince did it. 

682
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,400
You got to understand he was 
under Vince for many, many 

683
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,040
years. 
And you know, you can't deny the

684
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,920
stuff that Vince did in terms of
how he ran the company. 

685
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,720
You might not have liked him 
outside of the company, but when

686
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:29,400
it came to how he did business, 
he was a genius. 

687
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,720
And I will always stand by that 
and say that because look at 

688
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:41,560
where he bought the WWE from his
father's company to this billion

689
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,800
dollar, not million, but billion
dollar entity. 

690
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,880
You know, we always hear about 
Pat Patterson and his 

691
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,480
contributions, especially to 
match finishes and things like 

692
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,520
that. 
Other than the obvious with 

693
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,600
Vince and Pat, who else, who 
else would be next? 

694
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,440
Who you would say had the most 
influence and their influence 

695
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,160
had the most positive impact on 
things, especially when you were

696
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,440
in the WWE? 
Who? 

697
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,840
Who was the other brain behind 
the scenes that helped make 

698
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,520
things go around? 
Other than Patterson, I really 

699
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,000
don't know. 
I mean, you had Bruce Pritchard,

700
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:28,120
you had Jr. 
Bruce had his hand and stuff. 

701
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,520
But I never saw Bruce at work. 
I just knew that he was under 

702
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,880
Vince and Vince liked him very 
much. 

703
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:43,080
How much did Pritchard have in 
terms of having his input on 

704
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,560
things at that? 
I don't know as and as well as 

705
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,880
Jr. because again, I wasn't in 
the meetings to see that, nor 

706
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,200
was it talked about. 
So I really don't know. 

707
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,120
I just know that those two had 
their hands and a lot, but I 

708
00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:00,200
didn't know how much. 
But you always knew about Pat 

709
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,880
Patterson. 
You know how much of A genius he

710
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,360
was. 
Oh, and Michael Hayes. 

711
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,920
Michael Hayes came in as a 
producer, not even supposed to 

712
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,240
be permanent for my 
understanding, and his ideas was

713
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,680
just so good that Vince said, 
Nope, you're in. 

714
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,960
You know, I'm brought him in. 
Michael is very, very good in 

715
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,120
terms of putting storylines 
together. 

716
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,040
His knowledge for the business 
is, is incredible. 

717
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,600
I think next to Pat Patterson 
had to have been Michael Hayes. 

718
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,560
His ideas were just superb. 
Little crazy sometimes, but 

719
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,280
again, he knew his stuff. 
You know, it's interesting that 

720
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:48,200
you bring up Michael Hayes. 
Here's a guy who was with the 

721
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,160
WWE in the late 70s, early 80s 
for a drink of water basically. 

722
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,880
And you know, he went on with 
the Free Birds. 

723
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,240
They set the whole Texas 
territory on fire. 

724
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:03,600
They were working for Watts and 
working for the N.W.A and, you 

725
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,440
know, working for the Von Erichs
all over the place and making a 

726
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,480
name for themselves. 
And then it's not until what, 

727
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:17,280
the early 90s that Hayes comes 
back as this this Doc Hendricks 

728
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,480
character and then eventually 
just settles in as a creative 

729
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,760
guy. 
What a career this this man has 

730
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,080
had in pro wrestling and in so 
many different hats. 

731
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,920
He's worn at such a high level. 
But the fact that his time in 

732
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:37,800
WWE is where he spent the most 
time in his career is really, 

733
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,800
really interesting. 
I think it says a lot about who 

734
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,640
Michael Hayes is and and his 
ability to continue to remain 

735
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,880
relevant enough to maintain a 
job on the highest level. 

736
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,960
Yeah, I started in 1999 and he 
was there working. 

737
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,400
So you know, and we're now in 
2015. 

738
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,720
I'm so good. 
Jesus, we're in 2024 and he's 

739
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:05,080
still there. 
So he was there during the 

740
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,680
beginning of the Attitude Era. 
So let's go back even more, say 

741
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:14,520
1996, maybe 95. 
He was there, maybe even longer 

742
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,520
than that, and he's been there 
ever since. 

743
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,360
Yeah, again, it shout out to 
Michael Hayes. 

744
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:26,640
Staying relevant, innovating, 
making yourself necessary as 

745
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,480
time goes by that that's just, 
it's really smart. 

746
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,560
It's a skill. 
Most people don't have that 

747
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,920
skill, unfortunately. 
So that just shows his value. 

748
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaking of value, you had your 
cigar unveiling events last week

749
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,680
and I know fans were very 
excited about that. 

750
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,640
You had a great turn out from 
what I understand. 

751
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,000
But most importantly for 
everybody who was not able to 

752
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,760
make it. 
Tell us about it there. 

753
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,480
Devon, how was the cigar event? 
Phenomenal. 

754
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:03,000
Great turn out, you know, really
had a great time. 

755
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,720
You know, been here for 33 years
in this area and the turn out 

756
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,480
was was great. 
And I say that because I've been

757
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,040
here for so long, you know, I've
seen people left and right. 

758
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,280
So I didn't think I was like, 
you know, people know me, so I 

759
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,880
don't know how to turn out. 
It's going to be. 

760
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,960
And it blew me away. 
Yeah, when I saw it. 

761
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,560
So I was very happy about that. 
You know, I'm very excited about

762
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,160
the cigars. 
They taste great. 

763
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,440
And, you know, I'm just enjoying
every bit of it. 

764
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:40,640
Thanks to, you know, Dave over 
there at NASDAQ is not sure. 

765
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,400
So thank you very much. 
And Dave Ortiz, big Poppy from 

766
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,760
the Boston Red Sox, thank you so
much for bringing me along. 

767
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,360
And I can't wait for the ride, 
man, I'm enjoying this also. 

768
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,440
I got to add in also as well as 
fairway cigars with Big Trey. 

769
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,480
Thank you very much for 
introducing me to these guys and

770
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,560
you know them eager to do 
business with me and wanting, 

771
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,800
you know, these cigars to really
go out there. 

772
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,760
I'm excited about it. 
So I'm not going to say that I'm

773
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,800
going to step away from the 
wrestling business, not saying 

774
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,680
that at all, but I am going to 
do a lot of mean focus on the 

775
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:21,200
cigars now and try to really 
branch out with that and you 

776
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,840
know, and then, you know, come 
back to wrestling when I can. 

777
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,440
Wrestling will always be my 
first love. 

778
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,920
I'm not leaving the business. 
It's just that, you know, I am 

779
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,320
just trying to venture off into 
other things. 

780
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,320
There'll be another unveiling of
the cigars and things like that 

781
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,200
and where you can get it. 
I will have that information for

782
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,360
you very soon. 
I'm just excited and pretty much

783
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,920
overwhelmed over everything 
that's been going on because it 

784
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,240
all came at me at once. 
Never saw this coming at all. 

785
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,840
So, you know, it's a great 
feeling to know that and you 

786
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,000
know, it's something to secure 
my family, you know, money wise 

787
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,280
and and all of that. 
So I'm really excited about 

788
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,600
that, you know, so hopefully 
this turns into something where 

789
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:10,200
I can have my own yacht and, you
know, a big ass mansion on top 

790
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,920
of the hill. 
We'll see what happens, man. 

791
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:17,920
Yeah, you go get your yacht, big
man, You've you've earned it for

792
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,560
sure. 
Shout out to Notorious Cigars. 

793
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,400
Definitely. 
This is a great partnership and 

794
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,720
I can't wait to see and to 
sample the new Devon Dudley 

795
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,080
cigars in partnership with 
Natura Cigar Company. 

796
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,040
There big man, I know you got to
run to the Rhode Island Comic 

797
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,640
Con Day 2. 
So you'll be hanging out with 

798
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,640
all the wonderful fans out 
there. 

799
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,600
And I know Bubba's also there 
DDP whole bunch of great people,

800
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,200
Francine ECW original. 
So you go right ahead, man. 

801
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,520
I'll I'll finish up for us here 
folks, if you want to keep up 

802
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,160
with Devon and find out where 
he's going to be next, 

803
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:02,040
definitely check out Instagram 
testify Devon DVON testify 

804
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,960
Devon. 
You can follow him see his his 

805
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,000
latest bookings coming up and 
what have you. 

806
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,480
Some great stuff is also on X, 
but you know, Instagram is 

807
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,520
really your best hookup, so to 
speak there. 

808
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,400
Also, don't forget if you are 
somebody who is serious about 

809
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,120
becoming a pro wrestler and you 
want to learn from one of the 

810
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,760
absolute greatest of all time, 
the Hall of Famer himself, Mr. D

811
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,600
Von Dudley, then you definitely 
want to check out the D Von 

812
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,080
Dudley Academy. 
OK, it's a pro wrestling 

813
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,080
Academy. 
It's out there in Winter Park, 

814
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,480
FL. 
And of course, you can either go

815
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,960
to D vondudleyacademy.com For 
more information. 

816
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,360
You can find them on Instagram 
as well. 

817
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,120
But seriously, with the holidays
coming up, that'd be a great 

818
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,000
gift to give someone, you know, 
training for one of the greatest

819
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,360
of all time. 
Why not chase your dreams, 

820
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,840
achieve your dreams, do it with 
D von Academy. 

821
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,000
That's right, of course, with 
me. 

822
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,760
Duke close Rassen on Facebook, 
on 

823
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,280
twitter.dukecloserassen@gmail.com.
Let me know what you think. 

824
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,000
It doesn't matter to me if you 
agree or if you want to call me 

825
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,560
names like, you know, the former
referee, Jimmy Corderas, former 

826
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,720
WWE referee. 
That's OK. 

827
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,960
I, you know, just know that I'm 
going to give it right back to 

828
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,760
you. 
Got that right for sure. 

829
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,320
Thank you once again to Lady 
Bird Monica Monroe for joining 

830
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,120
us to kick off this episode. 
That was really nice. 

831
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,120
And she's a fantastic indie 
wrestler that you folks got to 

832
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,440
keep an eye on. 
We just got to get her stop 

833
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,520
saying pop because we know it's 
soda. 

834
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,720
It's soda. 
That's right. 

835
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:47,080
Anyway, I am going to leave you 
with the word of the week. 

836
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,200
OK, Since Steve Vaughn's running
to go meet all the wonderful 

837
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,120
fans at the Rhode Island Comic 
Con, here is the word of the 

838
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,480
week. 
Be the change that you want to 

839
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,440
see in others. 
It's as simple as that, folks. 

840
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,640
Don't just expect everybody else
to be one way if you're not 

841
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,400
going to practice what you 
preach. 

842
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,840
Got that right? 
Anyway, As always, be kind to 

843
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,680
yourselves, be kind to others. 
Take it away. 

844
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,200
Tony Shibani. 
Mr. Tony Shibani. 

845
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,880
And we're desperately out of 
time on Duke Love Wrestling.

