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I have come here to chew bubble 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,240 gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble. 24 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,920 Brothers and sisters, welcome back to another edition of Devon 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,360 and the Duke, a limited podcast series starring myself. 26 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,040 Duke loves wrestling and of course, the Hall of Famer, one 27 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,760 of the greatest of all time, one of the most decorated wrestlers 28 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,520 of all time. Mr. Devon Dudley, who is running 29 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,640 a little late right now, folks. But have No Fear because we have 30 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,920 a special guest that you have been requesting since episode 2 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,039 when Devon spoke about his amazing friendship with this 32 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:13,360 person and her family. So without further ado, 33 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,360 legitimately a real life shero, not a hero shero. 34 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,520 Someone who has put her life on the line for our nation, Someone 35 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,880 who has put her life on the line to entertain all of us. 36 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,480 She's a wife, she's a mother, she's a business owner. 37 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:32,880 Most importantly, she's a great person. 38 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,360 Macy Estrella AKA Lacey Evans, welcome to the show. 39 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:42,800 Hey, how's it going, guys? It is going fantastic. 40 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,720 Oh, who's that? Who's that with you there? 41 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,960 This is little Sunny, she decided to join me today. 42 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,960 I love it. Hello, Sunny. 43 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:51,680 How you doing? Hi. 44 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,440 Are you taking care of mom over there? 45 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Yes, I love it, I love it. What do we have for breakfast 46 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,520 this morning, Sonny? Pancakes and. 47 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,080 Bacon pancakes. I love it. 48 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,680 I love and bacon. OK, that's a Big Breakfast. 49 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,120 All right. Wow. 50 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,520 So you're going to grow up and have big muscles like Mommy. 51 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:17,680 Yes, Mesa, I I know you have your, your new business there. 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,040 It's it's a cafe, right? Yes, it's a mental health cafe 53 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:25,800 in in the town of Beaufort where I was stationed. 54 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,600 So what made you decide to open up that cafe in Beaufort? 55 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,520 I've always, so I've been planning it about two years into 56 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,320 my final goodbye out of exit out of WWE. 57 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,680 It's just always been a goal of mine in order to, you know, give 58 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,200 back to my community through uplifting ways and caffeine 59 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,280 being one of them. So yeah, we're we're really 60 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,520 excited. Yes. 61 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,440 You want me to be quiet? Are you going to say something? 62 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Are you going to tell them about the cafe? 63 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Yeah. It's Sunny Summer's Cafe, so 64 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,440 it's named after my girls and I get to be with my. 65 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Children. Well, Sunny, what's your 66 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,200 favorite thing at the cafe? What do you like to get at the 67 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,080 cafe? Sunny. 68 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,960 Guys. Oh boy. 69 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,240 OK, sprinkles. All right, so we're going to 70 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,360 have to visit that cafe sometime and, and, and get the sunny 71 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,160 breakfast with the sprinkles. How about that? 72 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:29,680 Oh yeah. And ladies and gentlemen, we 73 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,440 have our our main man has joined us now, Mr. Devon Dudley. 74 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,760 Devon, how you doing, brother? Good. 75 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,320 How you guys doing? What's up, Lace? 76 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,200 Hey, Devon, what's up, man? You know, living the dream 77 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,400 somewhat. You're late. 78 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,200 I know I was on the phone. I was trying to get everything 79 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,760 together with the school supplies and everything with 80 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,200 Taylor. I was trying to hurry up and it 81 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,360 was just no stopping. Oh, I feel you man. 82 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,520 That that is the life of being a super parent. 83 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,440 Oh, well, you know, that's the way it is. 84 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,400 I mean, Laci knows. That's right. 85 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,880 That's right. You know, Devon, it's funny, you 86 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,400 and I have been teasing this for a couple weeks now having Laci 87 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,200 on the on the show because you had spoken in depth about your 88 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,440 friendship with Macy, which is a real name. 89 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,400 Everyone knows her as Lacy, your friendship with her and her 90 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,360 family and, and, and how great she's been to you and what have 91 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,800 you. So folks wanted to hear from 92 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:34,160 Macy herself and and hear her perspective on this. 93 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,320 So so I want to start there. Macy Devon Dudley, Of all the 94 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,520 people in the world to strike up such a great friendship with, 95 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,160 what the heck are you doing striking up a friendship with 96 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,800 this guy? Man, it was, you know, him and 97 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,560 Scotty too hottie. I'm telling you right now, there 98 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,880 are people that I could call at any time, no matter what. 99 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,840 And I think what the reason me and Devon hit it off so well as 100 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:03,520 I think it's just our, our passion with family. 101 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,640 We, we were sitting at an airport, we were on tour. 102 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,480 It was one of the weekends that I didn't have my kids with me, 103 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,560 my husband with me because they normally travel all the time 104 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,040 with me. And, and he saw that, you know, 105 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:22,080 as you can hear my baby behind me right now, he just saw that I 106 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,360 was like kind of down and he's like, Hey, get your head up. 107 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,400 This is, you know, part of part of this, this job. 108 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,120 And he we, and, you know, he kind of just went into detail 109 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,640 about what I can expect on a parent level and how to get 110 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,880 through it. So I mean, after that, it was 111 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,440 just, it was just awesome. And and it honestly helped my 112 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:46,120 career knowing that I could do both successfully and just by 113 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,240 kind of his guidance. You want to talk, say hi. 114 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,400 And it's a nap time for this one. 115 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:55,920 So she. Yeah. 116 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,280 Yes, Sir. Sunny, what do you what do you 117 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:01,280 think about? What do you think about Uncle D 118 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:02,880 Bond? I love that. 119 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,200 Yeah. She, I mean, our kids play 120 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,680 together, you know, if there's ever anything that he needs or I 121 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,240 need and, you know, and, and he knew where my heart was and he 122 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,360 just helped me get through it, especially in my last, you know, 123 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,720 couple years in WWE and, you know, gave me pointers and, and 124 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,480 I just am forever thankful for that. 125 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,800 Oh absolutely. Listen, I saw it right on her 126 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,280 face, the passion. And when I first heard about 127 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,960 her, what got me was my sons Tarrant and Terrell, they were 128 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:38,000 doing the tryout and they said, yeah, this this girl named Lacey 129 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,240 Evans, just she was pushing us and saying, would your dad like 130 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,760 that? Would your dad do this? 131 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,320 Come on, don't embarrass your dad. 132 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,480 What's wrong with you? Get up. 133 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Like she's like being like a drill instructors. 134 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,240 He was like, yeah, that's what she was. 135 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Dad. I was like, oh, OK. 136 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,840 He was like, yeah. But it was in a good way. 137 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,200 It wasn't bad that it was good. It pumped us up. 138 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,360 I was like, OK, cool. Very cool guys. 139 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,920 And I was always grateful for ladies for that, you know, And I 140 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,520 just saw how she was 'cause I know in this business people can 141 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,520 take things like that, like being a family person and things 142 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,880 like that, you know, and try to make fun of it because you're 143 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,880 not out partying, drinking and doing what everybody else doing, 144 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,560 but you're more concerned about your family. 145 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,960 And I think that's what it all should be about. 146 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,520 Because you know, I got to say this back in the Attitude Era, 147 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,320 ECW era, Ruthless Aggression era, you know, whatever era, the 148 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,880 PG, in the beginning of the PG era, so many guys were dropping 149 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,600 left and right, dying because of the party and the things that 150 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,240 they were doing. And if we could have stopped 151 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,520 some of them from doing that and just made them concentrate more 152 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,200 on their family and their well-being in their life, maybe 153 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,880 a lot of them would have still be around today. 154 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,200 As opposed to being like, you know, overdoses or things like 155 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,880 that, 'cause this business can put one foot in the grave and 156 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,800 the other foot halfway in if you let it. 157 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,840 You know, you get caught up in the, in the glitz and the 158 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,000 glamour. You get caught up in the 159 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,120 partying and it could take a hold of you, you know, So you 160 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:09,400 have to be very careful on how you present yourself now, You 161 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,800 know, back in the Attitude Era, you know, people were just 162 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,000 running around wild. It was like anarchy. 163 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,280 You know, there was no cameras in the phone. 164 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,600 There were no real cell phones. If you had a cell phone, you 165 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,920 were a drug dealer back then. You know, not everybody, not day 166 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,240 where everybody had cell phones, things like that and phone and, 167 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,320 and cameras and their phones. So it was a very different time. 168 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,240 People got away with a lot of stuff. 169 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,160 Can't do that now. And I'll be honest with you, I'm 170 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,960 kind of glad about that because again, we're saving lives by not 171 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,040 having them go out there and party and take unnecessary 172 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,440 stupid stuff. I'm sure some people still do 173 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,000 it, but the percentage rate has got to be a lot lower. 174 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,520 For sure. Speaking of saving lives, Devon, 175 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,400 you had a pretty major health scare when you had a stroke 176 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,680 that, you know, it was, it was pretty tough. 177 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:00,640 It was pretty tough. And the road to recovery is 178 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,480 pretty difficult. Lacey. 179 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,000 I'm I'm saying Lacey, but her name is messy, folks. 180 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,560 You reached out to Devon and Devon told the story of you 181 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:16,080 packing up the family and actually showing up at the house 182 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,680 with food and what have you do? If you remember that, that 183 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:22,120 moment there, please give us your side of that. 184 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,080 Macy, what made you decide to go visit Devon as he's recovering 185 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,240 there? I mean, I just, like I said, 186 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,600 family, I, I witness it. And so is he first hand with how 187 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,080 hard it is on the road, leaving your family and giving 188 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,320 everything you have to that business. 189 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,520 And then to find that, you know, and I'm not saying it's, it's 190 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,840 wrestling's fault, but our bodies go through so much with 191 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,880 WWE mentally, physically, emotionally. 192 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,240 I haven't done it as long as men like Devon Dudley has. 193 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:57,320 But watching first hand, these performers leave their family, 194 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:00,400 get on the road, put their bodies through what they go 195 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,240 through, and then, you know, come back and, and they're 196 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,640 expected to be parents and, and have successful marriages. 197 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,560 And, and then this, it's like we, me and Devon, way too much 198 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:13,040 damn time together, talking about the people we love the 199 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,440 most and knowing that. And I just know Taylor and his 200 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,160 kids so well, knowing that they're sitting at home and 201 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,280 after everything this man has done for this business, he's 202 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,800 sitting there looking at his family, probably with tears in 203 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,160 his eyes, you know, wondering what's next. 204 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,320 I've given every. And I was like, fuck that. 205 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,240 I said, we're going to D Von's right now. 206 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,520 I said, we're all going to load up. 207 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,040 We're going to go make sure he's all right, see if there's 208 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,080 anything I could do. Because if and when it's my turn 209 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,960 that I'm in a situation like that, I'm giving everything I 210 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,800 can to a business in order to support my family. 211 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,880 And if I'm laid up, I know Devon would come bust my door down 212 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,640 too. So, you know, it was just, it 213 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,080 was just that I, I know him personally as a, as a dad and as 214 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,960 a husband and he's a, he's an awesome motherfucker. 215 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,560 And there was no way that I was going to let him, you know, go 216 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:04,200 through that alone. And, and, and it's not, I didn't 217 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,040 want to just do a phone call. I wanted to look him in the eyes 218 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,720 and let him know that I'm there for his wife, for his girls, for 219 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,240 his boys, whatever I could do. And it was just cool that I, you 220 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,480 know, that I could be there for him. 221 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,880 And I tried my best to keep her away. 222 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,360 She kept saying, listen, I'm on my way, fucker. 223 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,360 And I was like, you don't need to come. 224 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,680 I was like, stay there and enjoy your family. 225 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:27,640 She goes, no, I'm on my way. Give me your address. 226 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,440 And I even tried to go, oh, wait a minute, sometimes I I'll be 227 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,720 right back. I got to go to the bathroom real 228 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,960 quick. And I was like, I'll call you 229 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,360 back. And I hung up the phone. 230 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,440 I had the phone and then all of a sudden, like 1020 minutes 231 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,880 late, I get a phone call back. She goes, you still pissing 232 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,760 fucker? I just what I was like lazy 233 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,160 don't have come here. She goes, Devon, we're coming or 234 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,640 I'll get like either way, I'll get the address. 235 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,600 I was like, fine. I was like, I tried my best to 236 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,680 keep her away. She just wouldn't not stay away. 237 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,440 It was funny. It was funny and I would always, 238 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:07,640 I was grateful for her for that. You know, people say in life and 239 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:13,040 even in this business that women and men cannot be friends 240 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,680 without something intimate going on. 241 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,920 And this is not true because me and Laci are a prime example of 242 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,480 that. I respect her, she respects me, 243 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,760 she respects my family, I respect her family. 244 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,800 We respect each other. And that is the that's on the 245 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,160 basis of why we get along so great because of the fact we 246 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,440 respect each other. And when people don't respect, I 247 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,840 like each other, that's when things go South and things 248 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,120 happen. So that was one of the things 249 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,480 that I loved about Laci's and our relationship is the respect 250 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,120 that we have not only for each other but for each other's 251 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,520 family. You know, Macy, I wonder about 252 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,920 something here because you and I were talking offline about an 253 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,000 interview you did back in 2021 on the Chasing Glory podcast 254 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,640 with Lillian Garcia and you went in depth about your life story 255 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,000 and all the challenges that you've had to overcome. 256 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,280 I mean, legitimately, you're as courageous a person as I've ever 257 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,680 seen. I wonder how much of you being a 258 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,160 survivor, being a warrior, I know it's a word that you often 259 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,000 use, being somebody who despite whatever has happened to to you 260 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,200 in life, you're focused on your family, building a loving and 261 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,080 strong environment for them. How important is it for your 262 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,720 friends to share those types of quality? 263 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,240 Because I know Devon is exactly that way as well. 264 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:45,760 I'm very, very, very particular on who I surround myself with. 265 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,800 I have been my entire life because of my upbringing. 266 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,080 There is a quote, it's a birds of a feather flock together and 267 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,360 I'm very, very, like I said, I, I take that very serious. 268 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,040 So even in WWE he mentioned the drugs, alcohol. 269 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,160 I'm straight edge. I don't drink, I don't do drugs, 270 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,840 I do nothing. So right there, that limited a 271 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,600 lot of who I was around or spent any extra time with that what 272 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,560 little time we did have on the road. 273 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,840 So they, people would go out, I'd go straight to my hotel room 274 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,520 or I'd go and start feeding my family. 275 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,640 I'd go and start spending time with my husband and I. 276 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:25,320 So, and same thing with today. I mean, I, I invested a lot. 277 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,160 I, I stick around or surround myself with people that are on 278 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,720 a, a positive path, a good mission. 279 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,480 You know, it's because it's very easy to be sucked into a 280 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,520 lifestyle that, that is not conducive to what you want out 281 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,880 of your life. Just your mindset. 282 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,200 You know, I, I've got to be around people who love their 283 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,440 family. I got to be around people who 284 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,920 have good marriages. And if they don't, they're 285 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,840 working on it, right? The March forward, somebody 286 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,840 people that are marching forward because you got to be careful 287 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,640 that that can bring you down real quick. 288 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,120 I, when I was active duty, it's like the, the divorce rate, even 289 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,880 marriages, not to bring that up. Devon, you know, kind of touched 290 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,320 on it, but Meredith, we got 50% divorce rates right now. 291 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,240 In the military, it was even worse. 292 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,520 So statistically, I already got all of us. 293 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,280 It's going to be very difficult. You add social media to the 294 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,040 bunch and then and then a job like WWE. 295 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,440 It's like you got to be careful. So everybody that you're around 296 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,360 and the moments that you spend and how you spend them are very, 297 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,000 very important to me in purpose. You know, I, I surround my 298 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,960 people who want to give back and that kind of motivates me in all 299 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,120 aspects of my life as a mother, as a wife, as a business owner. 300 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:41,560 Here at Sunny Summers Cafe, we just actually did our youth a A 301 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,720 meeting. So yes, youth have a, a problem 302 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,160 with addiction and we've always provided a, a meetings for 303 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,400 adults. But I am very proud to say that 304 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,800 now we also offer youth a a meetings to try to get these 305 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,560 babies and these younger crowds, this younger generation to 306 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,280 realize that they just like I can one day at a time, choose 307 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,440 who they surround their self with and what the hell they 308 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,280 choose to do and March forward going from there. 309 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,359 So we actually last night wrapped up about 8:00 at night 310 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,040 with our first youth a a meeting. 311 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,560 So I take that very serious when it comes to who I surround 312 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,680 myself with because, you know, that can change your life in 313 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,599 many ways. Absolutely. 314 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,840 I agree 100%. You got to think about who you 315 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:34,120 have around you before you start, you know, letting people 316 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:37,400 in. And I learned over the years 317 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,960 that if you are on the same page with the person that you're 318 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,240 hanging out with, then chances are you're going to be OK. 319 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,800 But the minute you start getting involved with people that's not 320 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,200 on the same page as you or have the same values or what have 321 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,080 you, that's when things go South and that's when things happen. 322 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,000 And probably why we're on such a high divorce rate right now with 323 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,320 people, because it seems like people just change and don't 324 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,040 think about who they let in their circle before they do, 325 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,560 especially when it comes to your family. 326 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,640 Right. I completely agree. 327 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,760 And so, yeah, that's kind of with that interview that he 328 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,720 mentioned with Lillian Garcia. It's one of my favorite 329 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,360 interviews that I've ever got the chance to do because I did 330 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:20,120 get to open up about my childhood and why I am the way I 331 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:23,400 am. So, yeah, Devon, I can't agree 332 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,240 with you more, man. It's, it's that's why I think 333 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,240 you and I get along so well and why our marriages are doing so 334 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:34,360 well because we make sure that we put that we put that first. 335 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,880 There's no career on the face of this freaking earth that will 336 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,320 come before how my husband feels when he lays his head at night, 337 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,960 when he lays his head down at night and how my kids feel when 338 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,440 they when they go to bed and how they feel when they wake up. 339 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,000 I was telling I was we were just talking before it went live, 340 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:58,160 Devon and I was explaining how when I was in WWE, I'm a wife, 341 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,400 I'm a mother, been with my husband since 15, you know, 342 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:07,800 raising babies, homeschooling my girls and I was lucky to be able 343 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,520 to cook and provide a meal for my family one day a month. 344 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,040 And that to me did not sit right. 345 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,360 I'm very thankful for WWE. That's that's there's no hard 346 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:20,560 feelings. They're awesome. 347 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,880 But for me, that right there when I when I was laying in bed 348 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,560 at night and I would think that I would just get sick to my 349 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,840 stomach. You know, it's just it's there's 350 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,280 some people with a passion that that you know, there's certain 351 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,680 things you want to do in life and provide a meal for my family 352 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,960 from my hands as a woman and as a wife. 353 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,160 One day a month was not it, brother. 354 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,720 You see This is why and I got to be careful Laci when I say this 355 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,440 because the dirt sheet riders are just looking to take 356 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:53,200 everything I say and twist it. This is why I love her because 357 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,080 she is such a family person. She's she has a head on 358 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,000 straight. She is a person that puts a 359 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,040 family 1st and loves her family. Does not allow outside 360 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,560 negativity of men. And anybody that does have that, 361 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,560 she's going to put the brakes on it right away. 362 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:16,200 And it's just something that I really treasure with her and her 363 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,040 relationship. Or ignore it. 364 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,360 We were also. Me and Duke were also talking 365 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,160 about that. It's like, you know, with how 366 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,760 the world is and these dirt sheets and everything else. 367 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,440 Hold on one second here. I got it. 368 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,200 Can I talk? Can you talk? 369 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:30,840 All right, Say hello. Hi. 370 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,200 Hello. Hi. 371 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:35,840 Hello. But we were. 372 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,000 Me and Duke were just talking about. 373 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,160 I'm going to go get you this. Nope, you can't hold the phone 374 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,440 till I'm done. We were just talking about how, 375 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,920 you know how, how angry the world gets in regards to stuff 376 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,840 they have no idea about. And I just mentioned something 377 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,120 about the Olympics. The boxer. 378 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,320 Yeah, Devon, you know me. I'm going to bring that shit up. 379 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,520 And I mentioned I, I shared an article had nothing to do with 380 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,320 it, with being trans. It was just what in my opinion 381 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,880 of what's fair and what's not fair. 382 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,840 And they had a shit fit. They were saying, you know, I'm 383 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,320 spreading false information and you know, I should be sued. 384 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,360 And I stepped back and I thought like, man, spreading false 385 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:16,480 information. It's like kind of like the time 386 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,960 that for years, for months while I was WWE, I was the most racist 387 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,040 person or I was a homophobic person or I was this and I was 388 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,760 that. And not one of them 389 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,440 motherfuckers know who I am. This is just something that they 390 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,360 gathered from I don't know. So I said it's like garden food 391 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:33,880 is more healthy. It was like an article. 392 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,680 I don't who who gives a shit, but when you have your head on 393 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,640 straight and you know who the hell you are that they doesn't 394 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,880 bother you, You know, it's like, and it was wild to me that that 395 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,560 the whole world and the masses were getting mad about people's 396 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,080 opinions of of one thing, two things doesn't matter. 397 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,840 And they're losing sleep because it was they were on. 398 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,880 I mean, it was two in the morning, 3:00 in the morning, 399 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,360 and they're just still steady coming. 400 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,800 And it's not just me. It's I just see this all the 401 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,000 time. And when you're in in a, in a 402 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,640 career such as we are, or we were, you got to be careful what 403 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,800 you say. You got to be careful what you 404 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,480 do. And it was so refreshing that I 405 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,280 woke up the next morning, I got my coffee and not one 406 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,040 motherfucker was on the phone with me telling me, you got to 407 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,160 take this down, down. And you got to take that down 408 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,960 and you got to delete that. And you now have to put you can 409 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,080 no, absolutely not. I'm not doing it, brother. 410 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,080 I'm not, not anymore, not now, not ever. 411 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,440 It's it's crazy to me that the way this this is how the world 412 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,200 is, but I don't know. I just, it's, it's wild. 413 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:39,000 That's another thing in that in in a career such as that that 414 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,320 you got to, you know, work on and do and have to be so 415 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,520 consumed in. Well, I will say this, Lacey, 416 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,760 and we're talking about that incident, you know #1 you're not 417 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,840 a racist, OK? I can vouch for that, OK, That's 418 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,280 number two. Homophobic. 419 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,000 Not at all. Listen, if I'm not mistaken, 420 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,960 correct me if I'm wrong, you're in a locker room with women and 421 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,680 then a guy who's a transgender or a guy who's making that 422 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,320 transformation comes into the locker room and you're you feel 423 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,960 uncomfortable changing in front of them, then listen. 424 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,880 Oh yeah, you know the story. Yeah, I'll tell. 425 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,040 And then for those of you motherfuckers who don't, it was 426 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,680 I, my husband. I've been with my husband and 427 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:25,960 I'm not. I wish I was on video because 428 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,480 I'm I'm passionate right now. I have been with my old man 429 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,520 since I was 15 until I got my fan time. 430 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,040 That's the only only man who's ever seen my naked body. 431 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,520 OK, For one, you see, I did a plug there. 432 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,480 It's limitless. Macy. 433 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,720 Anyway, for two, he is the only man who's ever touched my naked 434 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,640 body, OK? And I went. 435 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,360 It was the first time. It was the first time that it 436 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:55,080 was like it was on an indie show and I was, I was expected to 437 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,560 change in front of in front of a in front of these gay men, men, 438 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,480 period. It doesn't matter. 439 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,480 I don't care if you're gay, straight, you're a man and I 440 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,280 don't want you to see my thong brother. 441 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:06,520 I don't. I don't want you to. 442 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,640 So I was not come to. There was no way I was changing 443 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,400 in that locker room. So I went and I changed 444 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,720 somewhere else and they got mad. I you're not, I don't want you 445 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,800 to see my leg back back then. Even now if I'm in face to fit, 446 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,840 like no hell, you ain't seeing my titties. 447 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:27,400 You could pay for them now on 4G or four online 4K, whatever. 448 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,880 But brother, no, Sir, so and then it went from that and and 449 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,480 the guy is like she's homophobic because she no, no, hell no, I'm 450 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,920 in love, bitch. I love my old man and you're not 451 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,960 you're not seeing what what little ass I got in in live 452 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,000 right in front. No, no Sir. 453 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,960 Yep. And you know, Lacey, it's funny 454 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,480 because I, you know, I was upset when the stroke happened. 455 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,440 I actually, it's, I had another podcast called Table Talk and I 456 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,680 basically slipped and said something about the stroke and 457 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,360 their sheet riders went crazy with it, had me dying. 458 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,600 You know that was my. Of course, yeah, of course that 459 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,640 to hear them tell it, you're you're half dead on your 460 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,080 deathbed, probably can't walk. I'm let what is it? 461 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,400 Homophobic and racist and and the world keeps turning like 462 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:28,560 fuck them Devon. People who I had a relationship 463 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,480 with in the business that I wrestled with, who had a podcast 464 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,640 was also doing the same thing. And I got pissed. 465 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,000 So I went back on the show and I said, you know what, it's wrong. 466 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,320 I said #1 I'm not dying #2 you're sitting here looking at 467 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,080 me because we had visual that time. 468 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,360 I was like, I'm not dying, I'm not dead. 469 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:49,440 So you people go fuck off. You know, make me feel and make 470 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,760 people think that I'm dying. I said, here's the deal. 471 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,240 If I told you I was gay, then it would be like, Oh my God, news 472 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,520 built in. Devon's gay. 473 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,480 Oh my God, if I told you I was going to be on a RuPaul, was it 474 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,560 RuPaul drag show? You'd be like, Oh my God, he's 475 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,520 going to be on a RuPaul drag show. 476 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,480 You would be putting that out left and right. 477 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,920 But that's not the case. But here's the deal. 478 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,600 Just so you don't she writers, let me see what you're going to 479 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,920 do, OK? I'm gay. 480 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600 Not only am I gay, but I'm going to be on the RuPaul drag Queen 481 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,360 show. They're going to clip that 482 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:22,640 they're they're going to clip that one, that one audio to get 483 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,680 their clicks. Yeah, they did. 484 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,280 They took, oh, news flash, Devon's gay. 485 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,960 You know, Devon, that he's going to be on a RuPaul drag show. 486 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,480 I'm like, no, you idiot. I was trying to make a point. 487 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,480 And then I'm on Twitter and somebody said, hey, Devon, I 488 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,080 heard you were gay. I'm like, no, I was trying to 489 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,800 prove a point to these dirt sheet writers who are being 490 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,960 idiots. And then one guy comes on and 491 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,320 goes, you know, that's, you know, how you would use that to, 492 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,160 to, you know, when we're all trying to fight to get, you 493 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,800 know, gay pride going and all of that. 494 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,920 And you're going to use that as your platform to get your point 495 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,880 across. That's, and we kind of went at 496 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,640 it back and forth being this individual. 497 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,640 But I'm like, look, man, I was like, my brother's gay. 498 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,760 I have no problems with the gay people. 499 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,400 I said, who you decide to lay with is your business. 500 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,920 But I did that to prove a point that the dirt sheet writers are 501 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,640 going to take what I said and twist it around, which is what 502 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,920 they did. And, you know, and they were 503 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,840 like, oh, that's still wrong. You shouldn't do that. 504 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,160 You know, there's a lot of us dying out here because we're 505 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,640 trying to, you know, show that we are. 506 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,680 We are here and we're not going anywhere. 507 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,200 I said I'm bravo. I'm glad you're not. 508 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,720 I'm like, no one's knocking gay people. 509 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,480 They they could win over their heads completely. 510 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,400 And then and while I see their point, if they, they should see 511 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,760 ours. And you know what I think too? 512 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,160 It's like, it's so wild how if we say something about gay or 513 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,240 biology or XY chromosomes or men fighting or this and that, it's 514 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,040 an uproar, right? Like, fuck you, you are the 515 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,800 worst piece of thing on the track. 516 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,600 You share an you share an article about giving back or 517 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,680 trying to change the world, or you know, or you're doing this 518 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,360 event for for Alcoholics or addiction or mental health. 519 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,600 Fucking crickets. They don't want to spread, 520 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,440 discuss, talk about, highlight, share none of that. 521 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:18,080 But the minute they could jump on a on a assumption and share 522 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,920 their negative opinion about some shit they don't know 523 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,880 nothing about, then it that that OK, clicks, clicks, trends, 524 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,920 comments, everything. But anything positive, it's I'm 525 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,760 over it brother. I'm I'm so done with it all that 526 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,120 it it's just crazy to me. I mean, another thing would 527 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,880 happen was and I was giving Stephanie McMahon her props, you 528 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,960 know about it, the kind of person she is, because I I 529 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,600 really like Stephanie McMahon a lot. 530 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560 We've gotten along since 1999 when I first came to the 531 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,760 company, until the present day. We talk, we basically talk about 532 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,880 music and, you know, the different genders of music 533 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,560 that's out there and how we were in. 534 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,560 We were like so in tune that we didn't realize that we liked a 535 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,160 lot of the same stuff. So I did an interview and I was 536 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,680 like, yeah, I was saying saying that, but they were like, what 537 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,360 would you date Stephanie? Well, I mean, she's married to 538 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,080 Triple H, but back in the day, I don't see nobody that wouldn't 539 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,000 have want to date Stephanie. So yeah, she had all the 540 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,160 qualities. I'd love to. 541 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,840 I said, let me tell you something, I'm infatuated with 542 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,720 Stephanie. But I should have said admire 543 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,080 because the minute I said infatuated, brother, they ran to 544 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,200 they ran to the computers and started clipping everything. 545 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,240 I said, oh, Stephanie McMahon, Devon is in love with Stephanie. 546 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,320 Stephanie McMahon. I'm like, I'm not in love with 547 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,000 her. All I'm saying is that I admire 548 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,920 the So instead of saying that Maya, I said infatuated, which 549 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,760 was the wrong word, but they took it out of content and 550 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,880 somebody else who has a podcast who I was very good friends 551 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,680 with. I was disappointed because his 552 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,320 headline went, oh, Devon is infatuated with Stephanie 553 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,320 McMahon. I'm like, no man, he wants to 554 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,320 marry Stephanie McMahon. No, I don't. 555 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,360 She's married to Paul the vet, Triple H I'm married to Taylor 556 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,040 Hughes. That's the way it is. 557 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,160 I don't want I'm not looking to date Stephanie McMahon. 558 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,680 You asked me a question about back in the day or either one of 559 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,520 us was married, Would I have? And I said yes, I would have if 560 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,920 given the opportunity. I'd have been a fool not to. 561 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,000 Yeah. I want to, you know, marry her 562 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,640 now. I'm happy where I am. 563 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,240 I don't need that and she's very happy. 564 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,560 So stop the BS and just report real news, not fake news. 565 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,680 Yeah, they but they're they're doing it for their clicks and 566 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,080 and you know, I just that's why I don't I don't respond. 567 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,600 You know it. Whenever I was labeled racist, I 568 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,240 I WWE asked me to put out a that hell no, I'm going to my garden. 569 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,560 I'm going I'm going to go feed my family and respectfully, I'm 570 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,600 not putting out a response to some bullshit, not giving them 571 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,400 my time. I was relabeled as homophobic 572 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,880 WWE. Will you put out a Nope, not 573 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,640 doing that either. I don't know, Devon. 574 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,200 I don't know how I lasted seven years. 575 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,840 I'm not putting out an apology for some bullshit that ain't 576 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,880 fucking true that that they could go. 577 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,440 You know, autism denier. Will you put out good? 578 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,480 Will you delete that? No, no, it was an article. 579 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,480 It was 22nd video about a guy explaining how back in the day 580 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,240 they ate more out of the garden and had less diseases. 581 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,960 But the motherfuckers didn't want to listen to that shit, did 582 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,920 they? They just saw the headline 583 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,160 screenshot it. I'm not putting out nothing for 584 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,560 that neither. Brother, go look on my track 585 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,440 record you. I will not sit there and defend 586 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,440 myself on some bullshit that ain't true. 587 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,040 I won't do it now. I won't do I didn't do it then 588 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,840 and I'm not going to do it tomorrow because it's been same 589 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,720 thing with this. Damn. 590 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,640 Now that now that it's trending and people are still running 591 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,160 their mouths, let's have that conversation about this 592 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,920 biological Y chromosome popped up in a in a test LED there's 593 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,480 higher testosterone levels and he has an advantage. 594 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,400 My daughter OK fights. She just did her first cage 595 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,480 fight and whoop that girl's ass. Now as a mother, I don't want 596 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,200 her to fight a boy. And I'll tell you a little a 597 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,160 little story. She did tackle football at nine 598 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,280 years old and I didn't want her to do it. 599 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,600 But all the players were tiny little 9 year old boys. 600 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,760 She was the only female and she was fast as fuck. 601 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,280 I said summer, you could play this year. 602 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,960 I said next year when it gets into the 1011 you, you're not 603 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,040 playing. And there's two reasons why boys 604 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,400 are faster and fucking stronger. And they're not going to hurt 605 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,360 you 1-2. I'm not going to put your little 606 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,240 ass in there and make them boys have to think twice before they 607 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,720 lay your ass out. Let them play the game with the 608 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,240 boys that they are. And I pulled my kid and she 609 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,280 didn't play the next year. She played that year. 610 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,920 But then 10:10 and 11:00 you the boys are bigger. 611 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,800 They're they're taller, they're faster and they're a little 612 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,160 stronger than nine you and I, I didn't only pull my daughter 613 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,400 because I didn't want her hurt. I pulled my kid because I wanted 614 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,600 to let the boys do what boys do. And that's fucking play. 615 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,160 Does that make sense? Like they're so I'm not just 616 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,920 saying that there is a a woman who has a testosterone levels or 617 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,640 whatever biologically is different and has advantages. 618 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,960 I posted that because I too stand for what the fuck I 619 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,240 believe in and I pulled my daughter out of that shit just 620 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,560 like because I believe what's right is right. 621 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,200 I'm not going to have her running around up there with 622 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,000 some 1011 year old boys that want to fucking go and they have 623 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,680 to think twice before they lay my kid out that that's my 624 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,600 beliefs and I hold true to who the fuck I am in regards to my 625 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,680 girls as well. I don't discriminate. 626 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,320 There ain't no double down and on on a motherfucking thing. 627 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,320 My daughter, my female fucking kid that is built like a little 628 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,200 lady don't need to be in there with the fucking boys at 10:00 629 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,680 and 11:00 you. So I pulled her ass so they 630 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,760 could be boys. Does that make sense? 631 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,000 And then the same goes for women. 632 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920 I, I, that's my beliefs. That's what I'm gonna stand for. 633 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,080 I'm gonna I'm gonna protect my daughters and I'm gonna protect 634 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,720 the men's sports as well. Testify. 635 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,320 That's all I gotta say. Testify. 636 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,200 Yes. Macy Estrella is is coming in 637 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,159 hot here, folks. She is not holding them back per 638 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,120 usual, which that's exactly what we love. 639 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,760 It is OK to have a perspective, it's OK to have an opinion. 640 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,560 It's OK to love your family and it's OK to set the record 641 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,719 straight. And that's certainly what just 642 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,760 happened here Macy. It's the best way everyone can 643 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,639 keep up with you and and even check out your business 644 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,360 sometime. Yeah, so we have a Sunny Summers 645 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,600 Cafe, Instagram and Facebook. If there are any local people 646 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,120 that need uplifting motivation, not just through coffee, but 647 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,360 through services, seminars, free of charge. 648 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:49,639 We do youth A A groups here, We do adult A, A meetings here in 649 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,520 order to give back to the community. 650 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,480 And I love what I do. I love that I can be home that 651 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640 give back to the community. Talk about drug addiction, talk 652 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,840 about mental health, provide services for those that need it, 653 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,840 and I get to feed my damn family. 654 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,520 Come on brother, rocking and rolling. 655 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,120 All night long. Life has been has been different 656 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,760 and I and two things that I love the most. 657 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,200 Obviously, it's one, being able to be with my family, being able 658 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,520 to make a difference on a larger scale and not being held back 659 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,440 because it is about money in that business. 660 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,360 You know, if it doesn't make them money, it's not something 661 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,560 that they want to discuss, highlight or spend time on. 662 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,640 And that was depressing for me. So the fact that I can create a 663 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,840 Cafe that literally that's the topic of discussion is bettering 664 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,600 yourself and, and bright and literally sunshine and 665 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,120 motivation is so cool to me. And then two, I, I don't have to 666 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,200 worry about what I can and can't say. 667 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,880 Everybody's entitled to their opinion. 668 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,560 You could be gay as hell, brother. 669 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,120 Come on in and sit down and talk to me. 670 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:55,880 I don't care. Life is beautiful and people are 671 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,640 amazing. But you could, you could 672 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,080 disagree and still be awesome. Because I'm telling you right 673 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,160 now, I don't care if a car breaks down, if it has a 674 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,120 rollover and is on fire, I'm still going to be a responder to 675 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,080 that scene. I'm going to clear the Airways, 676 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,480 stop the bleeding, treat for shock, bandage the wounds. 677 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,640 And the fact if you're gay, if you're black, if you're 678 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,120 straight, I don't care. You're a human being and I'm 679 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,640 going to be there. That's how I am in in my life. 680 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,560 But but the way the world, you know, whatever they want to 681 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,960 believe out there on the interwebs, they can run with it. 682 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,560 I know who I am and anybody who's ever met me worked with 683 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,880 me. I that's that's a person I am. 684 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,600 I will testify to that 24/7. Fantastic conversation there 685 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,760 with Macy Estrella AKA Laci Evans. 686 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,720 Wow. First and foremost, she doesn't 687 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:51,200 play games, man. That is a woman that is going to 688 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,520 express her point of view. She's going to let you know 689 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,160 exactly where she stands so there's no confusion. 690 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,200 And I don't know, for me, that's refreshing. 691 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,640 We don't have to agree on everything, but just the fact 692 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:11,640 that she's a straight shooter and she's someone that puts 693 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,880 family first. I, I can't argue with that. 694 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,640 It's great stuff. It's great stuff. 695 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,680 And there's no wonder why Macy and Devon are such great 696 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,560 friends. I mean, they, they share a lot 697 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,480 of similar qualities. Everyone who knows Devon, you 698 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,000 heard Eric Bischoff talk about it. 699 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,160 Devon is very serious about his family. 700 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:35,400 He's very serious about his relationship with God, very 701 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,120 serious about his friends. You know, he's just a very 702 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,280 caring and, and deliberate, deliberately positive person. 703 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,480 That's a great way to describe him. 704 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,920 And certainly Lacey shares the same qualities. 705 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,480 You know her as Lacey Edmonds. Her real name is Macey Estrella. 706 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:57,080 Ironically, she has a sister named Lacey in real life, which 707 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,760 is really interesting. You heard her daughter Sonny, 708 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,240 who joined us for different periods of time during the 709 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,760 conversation as well. It's good stuff. 710 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,440 Really, really good stuff. And some great insight into why 711 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,000 Macy Estrella, AKA Lacey Evans decided it was time for her to 712 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,720 leave WWE. You know, she wanted to spend 713 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:23,440 time with her family. She wanted to be able to prepare 714 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,080 meals for her family, something that may sound so simple, but 715 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,360 for somebody who's constantly on the road, they don't get to do 716 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,640 that very basic but very important thing. 717 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,440 You know, it's it, it matters. It matters. 718 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,800 And certainly her priorities are to her family first and 719 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,040 foremost. I think it's cool that Macy 720 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,000 opened up that cafe as well. I think that's really cool. 721 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,720 So you can kind of kill two birds with one stone. 722 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,360 You know, you have your business that you take care of, you're 723 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,360 able to feed your family, see your family, family business, 724 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,760 the whole 9 yards. That's good stuff. 725 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,680 That's really, really good stuff. 726 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,080 And I thought that was pretty hilarious. 727 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:14,120 First and foremost, Sunny, Sunny's Summer Cafe, OK, that is 728 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,760 Sunny Summers Cafe. That is the name of the 729 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,120 business. You can find it on Instagram. 730 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,360 Get more information about them as well. 731 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,840 But the fact that they offer Alcohol Alcoholics Anonymous 732 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,680 meeting space, not only for adults, but for the youth, it's 733 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,960 a big mission. It's a very, very big mission. 734 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:43,280 And I commend Macy Estrella for dedicating her life to doing 735 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,120 things like this. You know, we saw a little 736 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,600 glimpses of it in the WWE when she talked about the challenges 737 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,840 that her father faced, you know, addiction and what have you and 738 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,280 how that affected the family. So the fact that she has a 739 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,520 business where she's helping people overcome addiction, cope 740 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,520 with addiction, that's a big deal. 741 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,400 It's a big deal. So she's a pretty dynamic person 742 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:13,680 there at Limitless, Macy. That is her name on social media 743 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,360 where you can find all the other information, including her 744 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,160 website that she was plugging there folks, for everybody who's 745 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:27,640 over 18, right? So limitlessmacy.com, that's the 746 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,880 website there. Check her out certainly. 747 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,920 And of course, you know, Devon Academy for all you aspiring 748 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,680 wrestlers out there, if you want to learn from one of the 749 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,800 greatest of all time, right? If you want to go to a place 750 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,560 that's reputable and get an excellent education in pro 751 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:55,680 wrestling, visit www.dvonacademy.com. 752 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,000 All right? You will not regret that for 753 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,560 sure. And of course, you want to reach 754 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,400 out to D Von that's at Testify DVON on social media. 755 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,080 It's interesting folks. It's interesting, the past week 756 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,320 we've had here on the last episode of Devon and the Duke, 757 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:20,560 you heard Devon delve a little bit into Will Washington, Person 758 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,400 who works behind the scenes at AEW allegedly is Swerve's 759 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:31,200 cousin, and Devon had been provided some information from 760 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,720 people in AEW. They let Devon know their 761 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:39,040 opinion of Will Washington and it wasn't positive. 762 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,560 And Devon came on the show and and spoke about that a little 763 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,280 bit. It went viral and a lot of 764 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,800 people had a lot to say about it. 765 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,040 And unsurprisingly, Will Washington and his gang of, of 766 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,400 merry humanoids, as I refer to them, especially coming from the 767 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,080 fightful camp and Sean Ross sapped those folks. 768 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,440 They expressed a lot of frustration and anger and turned 769 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,920 it into a crusade and, you know, trying to find other topics and 770 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,560 whip everybody up into a frenzy. I got a couple of death threats 771 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,240 and, and threats of bodily harm from some of these folks, which, 772 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,040 you know, I have all the screenshots. 773 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,600 Don't worry. Even if you can get those those 774 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,800 messages deleted off of Twitter, don't worry, I got the 775 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,440 screenshots and I'm keeping track. 776 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,320 People are very upset over the audacity that people who work 777 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:44,120 with Will Washington would express a lack of of what 778 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,560 respect for this guy. I guess frustration with him. 779 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,480 People upset about that. And it makes me scratch my head 780 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,240 for this reason, folks, anyone who's ever been in a in a 781 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:59,840 position of leadership anywhere in any end industry, of course 782 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,000 people are not going to like you. 783 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,640 No one likes the people in charge. 784 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,160 That's the kind of the point US versus them, right? 785 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,960 So Will Washington is one of Tony Khan's assistants and he's 786 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,680 going around and giving people direction, people who feel that 787 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,120 they know better. And, and I tend to agree with 788 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,360 them. They're the experts, they're the 789 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,280 wrestlers. I think this guy's ever been a 790 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,560 wrestler in his life. It's not hard to believe that 791 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,040 people would take issue with the guy. 792 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,120 It's actually pretty common sense. 793 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,520 So the frustration and the pushback on that is just weird. 794 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,280 Somebody said, did you, did you allow will to tell his side of 795 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,080 the story? Well, what side of the story 796 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,080 could he have? If I say to you, some people 797 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,720 that you work with said that they don't particularly like 798 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,280 you, they don't trust you, what side of the story could you 799 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,600 have? You couldn't say it's, it's not 800 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,000 true. You couldn't say that. 801 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,320 So what are you going to say? But I digress. 802 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,760 I, I said, you know something, everyone gets a fair shot on any 803 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,280 of my shows, whether it be Duke Loves Rasslin or Devon and the 804 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,720 Duke. So I, I put it out there. 805 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,560 I'd say, you know, will Washington's welcome to come on 806 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,080 the show. He wants to express himself. 807 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,840 And Will, to his credit, got back to me in a timely manner. 808 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,440 I think it was less than a day and he declined and had some 809 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,640 disparaging things to say to me, which whatever man, I understand 810 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,640 his feelings are hurt. I told him, I said, you know, 811 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,560 if, if, if what has been said about you is a misunderstanding, 812 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,200 then I hope that you find a way to clear it up with the people 813 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,640 that you work with. And if it's not a 814 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,840 misunderstanding, then I hope things change for the better for 815 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,000 everybody. I told them, pull up your skinny 816 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,800 jeans, you know, make good choices in life and, and say no 817 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,920 to drugs. That's my response to, to the 818 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,080 aggression and the frustration that individuals have when 819 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,480 people have the audacity to have an opinion about them. 820 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,240 It's just very strange. But I want to make something 821 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,640 clear because I, and I'm going to end on this note here, folks, 822 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,280 Devon Dudley has been a pro wrestler almost as long as I've 823 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,160 been alive. You know, I'll be 42 later this 824 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,520 year. Devon Dudley is, he's been a pro 825 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,240 wrestler almost as long as I've been alive and he's a a big 826 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:31,680 grown man. We've got 7 kids, a wife, you 827 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,120 know, this is a guy who's been all over the world and is 1 828 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,960 accolades all over the world. He's a Hall of Famer. 829 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:46,080 Some folks said, well, how could you let Devon speak of Will that 830 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,680 way? How could you let him? 831 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,840 Brothers and sisters, I can't let a grown man do anything. 832 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,600 They either do it or they don't do it. 833 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,680 Some folks out there have this desire to control others and it 834 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,680 it just, it boggles my mind because I just don't. 835 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,240 I don't think that makes any sense. 836 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,880 I'm not saying you shouldn't hold people accountable for the 837 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,440 things that they say and do, but I'm not going to try to control 838 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,560 you. I might try to shut you down. 839 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,600 If you're doing something that I feel is nefarious and that's 840 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,680 bringing harm to people. Oh, I will shut you down. 841 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,360 It doesn't matter how long it takes. 842 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,640 I'm going to get there. But I'm not trying to control 843 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,680 anybody. So it always boggles my mind 844 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,360 when these goofballs hit me up and they they express sentiments 845 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,040 such as how could you let Devon do that? 846 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,520 It's just, it's very strange to me. 847 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,560 Again, it is not hard to believe that a person that you work 848 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,200 with, you would express dislike for that person. 849 00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,440 Every single person listening right now has worked with people 850 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,240 that they don't like for one reason or another. 851 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,640 It's just, it's just real life. So, and those aren't Devon's 852 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,800 words, by the way. This is what Devon was told. 853 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,920 He was very particular about pointing that out. 854 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,880 This is what I was told on multiple occasions. 855 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,680 He even talked about the occasions he was told. 856 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,520 He even expressed how he had been behind the scenes at AE W 857 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,800 on multiple occasions. So he got to observe Will 858 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,360 Washington himself. He talked about on the Jericho 859 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,320 Cruise, this is not some guy who's stirring up anything. 860 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,960 It's certainly, you know that because that's been the biggest 861 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,000 reaction from everybody, no matter where you land. 862 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,280 Well, Devon Dudley's not known for doing things. 863 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,200 He doesn't stir things up. That's not the kind of guy he 864 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,000 is. Exactly. 865 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,680 So if he's telling you this, oh, no, it's true. 866 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,920 It's true. Somebody said this to him, it's 867 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,920 true. Multiple somebody said this to 868 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,560 him on multiple occasions. It's true. 869 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,760 And that's how they feel, whether you like it or you don't 870 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,920 like it. So that is what it is. 871 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,160 Some of you going to be upset that I, I had Lacy on the show. 872 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,760 And you know, for those of you who take offense, good for you. 873 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,600 It's OK for you to disagree with any stance that she has, but 874 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,400 it's her life and she's going to live her life the way she's 875 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,280 going to live her life, and that's OK. 876 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:25,680 So you know, if you take issue with us highlighting Macy 877 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,920 Estrella AKA Lacey Evans, good for you. 878 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,520 I hope that that keeps you warm at night. 879 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,680 Anyway, till next time folks, listen, be kind to yourselves 880 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,560 and be kind to others. As always, Duke loves Raslin on 881 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,800 Facebook, on Twitter, Duke loves raslin@gmail.com. 882 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,880 Sending your birthday shout outs, sending your questions, 883 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,480 your comments, but who else do you want to hear on the show? 884 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,600 Cause Devon, he pretty much knows everybody. 885 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,280 So if there any other guests that you would love to hear 886 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,280 Devon talk about his relationship with them, let us 887 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,280 know. Take it away, Tony Shivani. 888 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,280 Mr. Tony Shivani. And we're desperately out of 889 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,520 time on Duke Love Wrestling.