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Now don't you be late. 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,480 Wrestling podcast never felt this crazy. 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:55,800 Brothers and sisters, welcome back to the most exciting hour 12 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,600 that you're going to hear all week. 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,920 I'm telling you this right now because the Hall of Famer 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,800 himself, Mr. D Von Dudley, five time Hall of Famer, the Hall of 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:18,560 Famer in the WWE and TNA, he is not afraid of any North Carolina 16 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:26,000 puffed up overstuffed tag team wrestler who thinks he's hot 17 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,160 stuff because he can shoot his mouth off on the Internet. 18 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,840 And I'm telling you on this week's episode of Devon and the 19 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Duke, we're going to get some things straightened out. 20 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,040 Matt Hardy, turn the volume up, tell the kids, hold on a second. 21 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,080 Quiet down. Uncle Devon has something to 22 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,840 say. So without further ado, the Hall 23 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,160 of Fame. I'm getting them in so much 24 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,200 trouble. Oh, my God. 25 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,680 I didn't even tell him I was going to do that. 26 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:52,640 I'm getting them in trouble here. 27 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,240 The Hall of Fame. Mr. Deepak Dudley. 28 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,360 What's up, brother? What's going on, man? 29 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,960 Listen, I don't work too into a shoot now, now what you going to 30 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,720 do? Oh no, I'm still trying to 31 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,480 think. Listen, this, this North 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,919 Carolina, this, this guy. And, and let me let me preface 33 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,000 this little bit because Matt Hardy, he's been doing his media 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,400 tour, him and his brother Jeff, who you know, you know them both 35 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,400 very, very well. You have battled them all over 36 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,880 the world. They're doing their media tours. 37 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,960 They're out there like there's some kind of singing group, 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,240 their jagged edge 2 point O or something out there singing 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,760 songs. You know, that song if I ever 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,760 fall in love again and all that stuff, they harmonizing and 41 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,840 stuff. I couldn't believe it. 42 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,520 I could not believe these guys are doing this kind of nonsense. 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,640 But this is what they've, they've done now, all right, to 44 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:44,200 generate some extra attention. And as soon as they get that 45 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,280 extra attention, Matt Hardy starts shooting his mouth off, 46 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,560 disrespecting Bubba, disrespecting Devon, 47 00:02:54,160 --> 00:03:01,560 disrespecting all of Dudleyville by saying the Hardy Boys want 48 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,160 another match with the Dudley Boys. 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,720 And since the WWE and TNA have announced that they're doing a 50 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:14,000 partnership, Matt Hardy believes that this is the perfect time to 51 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,400 to bring it back one more time here. 52 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,120 So I got to ask you directly, Devon, because everyone's been 53 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,120 waiting to hear from you. You're, you're the only one they 54 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,600 haven't heard from yet about this. 55 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:30,720 Is it at least possible that the Hardy Boys deserve one more ass 56 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,480 whooping from the legends? The greatest of all time, the 57 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:40,600 Dudley Boys. You know the Hardys are going to 58 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,080 do their thing. You know the Dudleys are going 59 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,320 to do all things. But you know I can't. 60 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,000 It's hard for me to believe that Matt was really shooting off at 61 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,640 the mouth, you know? I, I, man. 62 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,360 And if he did, that hurts, you know, because I thought me and 63 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,640 Matt were closed. So for him to start talking crap 64 00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,040 like that, if it means the Dudley boys, if it means me 65 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,640 coming out of retirement, getting back with Bubba, lace up 66 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,360 the boots one more time to whoop the Hardy's ass, then I guess it 67 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,520 had to be done. Just like Madison Square Garden, 68 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Royal Rumble. Why not? 69 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,120 If we if, if there's if there is an opportunity for it to happen, 70 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,720 then I'll see why it shouldn't happen. 71 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,840 So you know, whoever wants to make that happen can make it 72 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,440 happen. And we'll see from there. 73 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,840 See this this North Carolina guy with his Bony backside as as you 74 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:42,560 would say his narrow behind took himself online and had the had 75 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:48,200 this to say. Well, good evening Bubba, thanks 76 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,560 for listening. We would love to have another 77 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,240 match or matches with you and Devon. 78 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,200 I'm sure TNA and WWE would both be cool with it since they're 79 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:06,920 officially partners now. Otherwise, I tread lightly since 80 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,920 we're undisputedly the most popular tag team of all time, 81 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,920 the most influential tag team of all time. 82 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,440 By the time we hang them up, we may be the most decorated tag 83 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,640 team of all time too. Hell, I'll take two out of 84 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,600 three. Jeff and I are fine staying in 85 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,320 our lane because it's leading to a destination that no tag team 86 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,040 has ever reached. Have a great night. 87 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,280 This this North Carolina guy talking to you New York fellas 88 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:40,440 like this? I don't know, Devon, I don't 89 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,040 know. Look, I in my opinion, the most 90 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,720 decorated tag team of all time is the Dudley Boys. 91 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,960 I don't see how Matt or Jeff can argue that. 92 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,760 Every company we've ever been in, we won the titles and won 93 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,040 them numerous times. We are 24 time world Tag team 94 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,040 champion and you can't take that away from us. 95 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,680 So as far as I'm concerned, when they wrap it up, when they hang 96 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,600 it up, they're still not going to be the most decorated tag 97 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,320 team in the history of this business. 98 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,400 I don't think I hear people going around saying that the 99 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Hardys are the greatest tag team in the business or that was ever 100 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,440 in the business. But I do hear about the Dudleys. 101 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,080 You know, everything that we've accomplished has been something 102 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,800 that the people recognize and respect and I think maybe the 103 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,480 hardest need to learn how to respect that as well, especially 104 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,120 the ass weapons that we have given them over the years. 105 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,560 Now they want to come back and they want to talk crap. 106 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,240 If Matt truly said that, then whatever has to be done has to 107 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,840 be done. And we if we got to go one more 108 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:53,920 time, then we go one more time. That's what has to be done. 109 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,120 That's what I feel has to be done and and get rectified in 110 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,240 order to be known as the greatest tag team in the history 111 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,680 of this business. You know, you know, the the 112 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,160 problem is he's feeling himself. This Matt Hardy here, you know, 113 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,920 he, he he's got the lovely wife, he's got the lovely children. 114 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,400 Matt Hardy, you're not even he's not even the coolest guy in his 115 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,200 own household, but he has the audacity to disrespect you and 116 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:15,880 Bubba this way. Look. 117 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,280 I'm going to say this, say, Matt, I love you to death, man. 118 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,200 I really do. But I don't think you want to do 119 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,880 it one more time. Let's just call it a call it a 120 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,360 day. And you and Jeff will be known 121 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,240 as the second best tag team in the Business Today, not the 122 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,360 first, but I've always said the first would have to be LOD, the 123 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Road Warriors. No question about that. 124 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,160 And I've always said that, but, and we, we've come in #2 that 125 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,640 nothing wrong would be #3 it's all right. 126 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,640 So you don't have to go out there and challenge the Dudley's 127 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,120 and saying, you know, one more match will solidify everything. 128 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,320 We've already done that. We've already beaten you and 129 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:54,000 Jeff, so there's no reason to even remotely try to prove who's 130 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,560 the better tag team. History tells the truth. 131 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,680 Not only that, but our record speaks for itself. 132 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,400 So that you can go online all you want, but you cannot, and 133 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,280 I'll say it again, you cannot deny who the greatest of all 134 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,440 time is. No one has ever, and I mean 135 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,000 ever, done what we've done in that ring and had the most 136 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,280 championships that A tag team could have. 137 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Testify. My brother. 138 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,520 We're going to move on from from this, this Matt Hardy nonsense 139 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,640 here, Jeff. Jeff, your brother's getting you 140 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,880 in trouble, man. You better talk to him because 141 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,559 you know all that punishment that the Dudley's have dished 142 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,640 out to you over the years. You don't want that again. 143 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,320 Stop it. But hey, Matt, I love you. 144 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,160 Listen, this is 2025, man. We just started the year off and 145 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,160 it's already coming in hot. I can't believe it. 146 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,520 I can't believe it. But Speaking of coming in hot, 147 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:01,200 we got a situation here where the WWE has just signed someone 148 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,640 who previously was in AEW by the name of Penta. 149 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:10,840 This young man, he was in Lucha Underground and AAA. 150 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,200 Very well respected and appreciated wrestling star. 151 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,520 Made his debut on Raw against Gable. 152 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,560 Wonderful first match and Gable shout out to him. 153 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:27,800 He he is truly a specimen in his own right and just the fact that 154 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,600 he was able to have a a fantastic match with Penta who 155 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,120 never wrestle in the WWE ring, WWE ring before that was really 156 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,280 special for both of those young men. 157 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:45,640 But Penta before his match even happened, Devon WWE released his 158 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,400 merchandise on the WWE shop website. 159 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:55,080 There not only shirts and things like that, but also masks and 160 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,320 Penta has shot up to become the number one merch seller, at 161 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,560 least for the time being in the WWEI mean the the response has 162 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:07,120 been tremendous. So I want to get your thoughts 163 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,360 on this. Because when he was in AW, they 164 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:11,800 weren't able to do that with Penta. 165 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,880 They weren't selling like hotcakes like that. 166 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,800 So from a business standpoint, Devon, what's your thoughts on 167 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,400 that? Just the WWE having the 168 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,320 foresight to know if we market this guy properly, we could 169 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,960 start making money and start making that contract money back 170 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,840 right out of the gate before the man even has his first match, 171 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,040 before he even appears on WWETB for the first time, we can 172 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,760 already start making money off of this guy. 173 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,200 What are your thoughts on that? Well, you know, bent to. 174 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:45,480 I don't know too much about him. I know enough to know that being 175 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,080 an AW was kind of like a place where he needed to start. 176 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,160 Now he's left AW, he's come to the WWE now. 177 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,520 This is this is it. This is, you know, this is as 178 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,440 far as I'm concerned, this is something that every pro, every 179 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:06,560 inspiring pro wrestler, when they get when they get in the 180 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,680 business, that's the place they want to work. 181 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,880 They want to go to WWEI don't know. 182 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,080 There's not one person out there that's in the business that can 183 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,240 honestly and truly say in their hearts that they don't want to 184 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,120 ever wrestle for the WWE. Now here's this he's been in AW 185 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:28,000 didn't get quite the reception or response that he got when he 186 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,560 entered WWE. But here's what I've we've 187 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:34,080 always been saying. It's all in how you promote an 188 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,720 individual. It's all in how you bring him 189 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,000 out and show him and showcase him. 190 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,240 Because remember, the first impression is always going to be 191 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,840 the one that stands out the most. 192 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:52,760 And if I'm not mistaken, AW has not done anything in terms of 193 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,760 merchandise and things like that with him. 194 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,560 But then again, I've heard their merchandise stuff is not as good 195 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:01,920 as WWE. And listen, we all know, 196 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,240 especially those who have been there and done it, that when 197 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,880 you're on that gravy train with the WWE and you're able to get 198 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,800 the merchandise, you got to figure video games, T-shirts, 199 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,480 UPS, you name it, they're out there putting your likeness on 200 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,800 it and making money for you and the company. 201 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,640 So it doesn't seem like AW has that right now. 202 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,760 I'm sure within time, hopefully they will be able to grasp the 203 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,240 same thing that WWE does, but as of right now, it doesn't seem 204 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,320 like they have that. He's now, Pinta's now getting 205 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,360 everything that he so wanted, not only bringing him brought in 206 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,200 the right way, but most likely that they started T-shirts and 207 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,000 all that already. Merchandise. 208 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,040 So there you go, merchandise and just, you know, overall, we're 209 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,960 going to have to see the third one in terms of how he's being 210 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,040 used. But I'm sure he will be used 211 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,480 correctly. But in terms of storyline wise, 212 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:01,680 we're going to see what happens and how the WWE uses him in that 213 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:04,640 capacity. And I'm sure with the with the 214 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,400 way they do things over there, very, very suddenly the WWE 215 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,040 dropped the ball. They may drop the ball once in a 216 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,160 blue moon, but with this guy, I don't think they will. 217 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,240 I think they'll make him a bigger star then than any other 218 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,400 company could have ever done with him. 219 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,120 No doubt about it. And and right out of the gate, 220 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,960 he's already there. I mean, his profile is through 221 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,480 the roof. That episode of Raw was number 222 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,000 one on Netflix. So just think about all the 223 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,920 people that have seen that episode. 224 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,000 That's probably more people than have ever watched Penta ever in 225 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,040 his entire career combined. So right out of the gate, you 226 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,200 just got the most exposure that you've ever gotten and you're 227 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,480 being presented as not only a star, but as a superstar. 228 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,240 So and, and you know what I like about it too deep on the the 229 00:13:54,240 --> 00:14:00,080 events happened in San Jose, CA and Penta's family, his wife, 230 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,040 his kids, they were all front row. 231 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,320 They all got to see his debut raw. 232 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:12,280 Netflix sold out the biggest stage and you know, he got to 233 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,640 win his match and it was a good match and what have you. 234 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,520 He got to cut a promo after the match. 235 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,880 His merchandise was put out earlier in the day. 236 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,920 Everyone in the in the arena, a lot of people wearing his 237 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,560 merchandise already and what have you. 238 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,680 I mean, you couldn't you could not set somebody else up for 239 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,080 success any better than the way that WWE set Penta up for 240 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,200 success. And so far so great. 241 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:41,360 So, you know, Tony Kahn, Yeah, I, I know you're punching air 242 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,440 right now, brother, but, you know, I I hope you're learning 243 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,800 This is the way that you're supposed to do it. 244 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,760 So, you know, take it for what it's worth. 245 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,040 I I'm sure that the, the other folks in ATW are looking at this 246 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,040 and they're probably starting to, to wonder when's my contract 247 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,160 up, because maybe I need to try to make a jump too. 248 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,440 I mean, what do you think, Devon? 249 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,640 You think that's possible? I mean, it's definitely 250 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,120 possible. Not saying that it doesn't 251 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,480 happen, but it's definitely possible. 252 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,240 I mean, you know, when someone leaves one company and goes to 253 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,640 another and see what's going on over there for that person when 254 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,160 he left and how good he's doing, Of course, it's only human 255 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,200 nature that he's going to want to go see what's on the other 256 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,160 side as well. Hey, if that guy can do it, then 257 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,800 so can I. And that's probably exactly 258 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,160 what's happening with a lot of people as they see the success 259 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,480 of guys like him that come over from AW and go to WWE and see 260 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,000 their success. Look, CM Punk comes back, comes 261 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,080 back to, AW, big big thing, big thing, wow, amazing. 262 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,480 And then all of a sudden the troubles within started 263 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,960 happening, which started affecting how he was being used 264 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,200 and things like that. And you know, all the turmoil 265 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,400 that was going on during that time, he could never, ever get 266 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,000 back started again. He comes to WWE and it's a home 267 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,880 run. It's a complete home run because 268 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,120 again, these WWE knows how to take guys and use them and push 269 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,960 them. That's the difference. 270 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,640 Tony needs somebody that's going to be on that type of level 271 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,040 that's going to be able to help him to get to that level. 272 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,880 Tony doesn't realize how close he is. 273 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,160 He does not realize how close he is. 274 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,800 He's got he got to do something quick or he's going to lose it. 275 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,280 And that's what the consistency seems to be from everybody that 276 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,680 I've talked to. And I really, I'm really not 277 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,920 that involved like I used to be. But from all the talks I hear, 278 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,880 that's what I'm hearing. He needs that guy. 279 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,120 He needs that Pat Patterson. He needs that Michael Hayes. 280 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,520 You know, let me just say this. Maybe instead of throwing your 281 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,960 money out at talent and trying to get them to leave or to come 282 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,000 from Europe or what have you, maybe you should try to steal 283 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,880 the talent away within. Like maybe try to get a Michael 284 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,920 Hayes, you know, or you know, or Paul Heyman. 285 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,800 Try to throw your money that way as opposed to throwing it 286 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,040 towards talent that you already have. 287 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,360 In other words, you know, you have a great roster as it is. 288 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 It's almost like you really don't need to go anymore. 289 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,839 You got to be, you got to be able to, to, what's the word I'm 290 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,920 looking for? You got to be able to handle the 291 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,200 ones that you have before you go out and invest in others. 292 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:16,720 I mean, do you agree with me on that? 293 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:20,640 Oh, 100%. But the the problem with with 294 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,760 what you're saying, Devon, is the only way that a person does 295 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,200 something like what you're describing is if they actually 296 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,200 care about managing and growing a business. 297 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:35,520 You know, I don't know what this guy actually cares about just 298 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,200 based on the way that he moves it. 299 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,600 It's it's really fuzzy math on his part. 300 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,720 It never makes sense. He's not a a manager of people. 301 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,520 He's not a a good business manager and he sure as hell is 302 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,000 not qualified to manage a wrestling company. 303 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,840 Exactly what you said. Why wouldn't you bring in 304 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,000 somebody who has the experience and, and, and not only bring 305 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,600 them in, bestow upon them the responsibility and pay them to 306 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,400 manage your wrestling? I mean like. 307 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,640 Again, I don't know why. He, like I said. 308 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,320 Michael Hayes, a Pat Patterson, find somebody out there in 309 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:15,760 today's era that is more along the lines of guys like that that 310 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,920 can help you with your company. It's not just what we see on TV 311 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,760 that's going to get you where you need to be. 312 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,120 You need that storyteller, you need the right producers. 313 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:28,800 You need all of that stuff to make this happen. 314 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:33,120 And that's something that AW unfortunately doesn't have right 315 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,040 now. It's not saying that it can't, 316 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,320 but right now they don't have that. 317 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,760 And that's the sad part because he has no idea the gold barn 318 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,960 that he is sitting on right now. It this thing can explode at any 319 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,040 minute. He has the talent, he has the 320 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,240 money. He just needs the brains. 321 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,560 He needs the brains behind that. He needs the brains behind 322 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,040 that's going to make that machine work the way it should 323 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,840 work. You're absolutely right. 324 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,560 And it's, it's really crazy to me. 325 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,200 I, one of the things that I learned very early on in my 326 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:11,360 career because I, I've been in some type of leadership, just 327 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,000 that every, about every stop that I've ever had since day 328 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,160 one, I've, I've been groomed to be a leader, a manager, a person 329 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,640 who not only trains other people, but's responsible, 330 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,040 recruit, train, promote, sometimes fire. 331 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,520 That's my skill set. And one of the things I learned 332 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,080 early from an old timer is like, listen, you can't do it all 333 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,160 yourself. The best managers are the people 334 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:42,240 who who are able to recognize talent and know how to delegate 335 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,560 responsibility and then manage those outcomes. 336 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,680 So if I'm not good at something with I can remember when I was a 337 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,560 kid working in retail and I became a manager, I wasn't good 338 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,560 at the back of the room stuff, maintaining the inventory and 339 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,840 doing all of the, you know, the, the PNL reports and stuff like 340 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,080 that. That wasn't my skill set. 341 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,680 I could sell and I could teach you how to sell and I could I 342 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,840 could break record selling. So it's like, you know what, I 343 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,960 need somebody who's a good back of the house manager and let me 344 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,240 be the front of the house manager. 345 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,560 And that's exactly what I I was able to do. 346 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,160 And then when I brought people like that on, over time, I 347 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,320 trained them on how to be good salespeople and they trained me 348 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:31,240 on how to get better at managing the back of the house, managing 349 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,880 the the office work. And I eventually I developed and 350 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,840 got better at that and they got better at that selling and and 351 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,760 that was a, you know, match made in heaven. 352 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,880 That's what a good manager of anything is supposed to do. 353 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,160 And that translates to every single industry. 354 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,080 So for Tony Kahn, who's not good at managing wrestlers, he does 355 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,760 not understand how to format ATV show and to make it compelling 356 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,880 overtime, episodic television and what have you. 357 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,040 Why wouldn't you bring in people who know how to do that? 358 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,400 It's just crazy to me. It's completely nuts to me 359 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,920 because like you said, all the talent is there. 360 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,320 Well, it's not. And again, it's not that he 361 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,240 needs to get new talent because he's got the talent. 362 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,080 We all could see that. And now he needs, he needs 363 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,920 within. Like I said, he needs a Michael 364 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,560 Hayes, a Paul Heyman, you know, someone, you know, moral lines 365 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,080 of that. That's what he needs. 366 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,680 So it's not talent that he needs. 367 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,360 He just needs that power within the office, especially people 368 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,200 that will be able to tell, especially people that will be 369 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,480 able to tell them no, that this won't work, you know, and this 370 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,880 and that because they've been there, they've done it, they've 371 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,120 experienced it. When you got guys like that that 372 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,040 can tell you no, I mean, it's great. 373 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:48,240 Listen, there was a couple of times I was in the producers 374 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:54,040 meeting with Vince and Pat Michael Hayes and all of that. 375 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,080 And the one and the other producers and the one person 376 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,120 that would tell Vince no and Vince would actually respect it 377 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,800 and get his opinion why he said no. 378 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,160 And then nine out of 10 times that person would he would, he 379 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,080 would accept that person's vision on it and go with it. 380 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,600 It's Pat Patterson. That's how close Vince and Pat 381 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,840 were. That's how much respect Vince 382 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,760 had for Pat, you know, because of all his ideas. 383 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,680 I mean, Pat was just a genius when it came to that and Vince 384 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,840 knew it. So if Vince had a crazy idea 385 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,560 what have you, and Pat didn't see it and agree with it, Pat 386 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,000 would say, Vince, I don't think this is going to work. 387 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,600 I don't like it, This is why and blah, blah, blah. 388 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,480 And Vince would respect them. He doesn't have that. 389 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,800 That's the problem. He doesn't have a Patterson. 390 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,320 He doesn't have a man that will be able to tell him no, and not 391 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,720 only tell him no, but tell him why it's no and hey, he has an 392 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,000 option that might help. And maybe not only get your 393 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,960 vision, but my vision how I see it to work. 394 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,960 I'm going to tell you right now and, and, and tell me if this is 395 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,400 not a crazy idea. Instead of pumping all that 396 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,160 money that he did into the video game. 397 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,640 I mean, the video game bombed. It completely bombed, right? 398 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,320 That that Fight Forever AW video game that was on PlayStation and 399 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,160 a few other consoles there. The estimates are between 50 and 400 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,560 $100 million that it cost to put that game together and put it 401 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,320 out the way that they did. Tony Khan himself at least took 402 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,880 $20 million out of his own pocket and put it into that. 403 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,760 Can you imagine if he gave Triple H $20 million? 404 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,520 Because WWE is not going to match that. 405 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,160 Imagine if he gave Triple H 20 million or Paul Heyman $20 406 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,920 million and said, listen, you're going to run my wrestling. 407 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,040 I'm going to manage the business aspect of things. 408 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,480 But as far as what people see on TV, as far as assembling and 409 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,280 maintaining the roster, all that stuff, I'm going to hold you 410 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,360 accountable to do that. I'm going to give you a 2 year 411 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:57,280 contract, $20 million. Show me what you got. 412 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,320 Can you imagine where that company would be? 413 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,160 Tell you what. It would it wouldn't be a triple 414 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,920 HI guess you mentioned it. He got Triple H That ain't 415 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,400 working. I think Triple H is just fine 416 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,840 doing what he's doing with WWE. But I get what you're saying. 417 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,080 If they, if he, if that was to happen, forget about it. 418 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,320 Forget about it. You pay a person so much money 419 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,120 they have no choice but to do a good job. 420 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,920 I'm sure if he gave, if he called Heyman right now said 421 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,360 listen, I'll give you $20 million. 422 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,680 I will wire it to your account right now. 423 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,360 If you come work for me when your contracts, I guarantee you 424 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:36,080 Paul ain't going to turn down $20 million. 425 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,480 Hell no. And he's going to want to get 426 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,360 another 20 million. So you're going to do a good job 427 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,000 I. Mean you said people say Oh my 428 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,760 God, $20 million Oh my God, it's not worth listen could you 429 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,160 imagine if give payment $20 million yeah, that's a lot of 430 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,840 money right or or Michael somebody with that capacity 431 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,400 hell, I'll even throw it out there Bubba, because Bubba is 432 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,320 very good at you know finishes and storylines and things like 433 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,760 that. If anybody gets it or is even 434 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:10,680 close to the minds of a Pat Patterson, Michael Hayes or Paul 435 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,880 Heyman, it's Bubba. If you hear him talk on his 436 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,920 radio show Busted Open, he makes a lot of sense in what he says 437 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,400 and how the business should, you know, be. 438 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,400 And he's learned that both of us have learned how to how to do 439 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,280 business that way because of people that have come before us, 440 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,960 how we picked their brains and wouldn't stop until we 441 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,120 understood and got it. I mean, you know, Can you 442 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:39,080 imagine if he did that, if he gave Haman $20 million to come, 443 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,760 not only because, oh, well, you, you, you gave him $20 million, 444 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,960 Now what? Where's your return? 445 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,160 I guarantee you you'll see here return within a year or two when 446 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,200 ratings are up, house live events are up, the gates are 447 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,680 filled. I mean, you're going to see a 448 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,760 lot of it because people don't want to come see your product 449 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,960 because of the storyline, because of what they're doing to 450 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,920 help within the company. Not again, you cannot deny what 451 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:11,200 Payman had done for ECW. And you know, in my YouTube 452 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,920 channel I did, I said that you know, you the brain that that's, 453 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,960 you know, that Paul has for this business. 454 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,440 It's incredible how he can have you in the palm of his hands 455 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,160 just by the way he tells the story on what you're about to 456 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,160 see on TV. And if you think that Paul 457 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,760 Heyman doesn't have an influence on everything with the bloodline 458 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,640 and what's going on now, you're crazy. 459 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,120 But imagine now look at this. You have Paul Heyman, you have 460 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,400 Triple H, and you have Michael Hayes under one company. 461 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,800 The problem? And thinking of those three 462 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,680 minds right there, combine all three of them together, get the 463 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,240 storyline up. What kind of, you know, you're 464 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,080 going to get an Academy Award, which is what's been happening 465 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,680 storyline wise. Now, if you don't think all 466 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,840 three of those minds are together, especially when 1 gets 467 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,560 in trouble, in other words, when 1, you know, gets stuck in a rut 468 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,960 and trying to figure out something. 469 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,320 Hey, let's call, let's call, let's call Triple H Hey, let's 470 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,880 call Heyman. You know, forget about it. 471 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,720 I'm sorry, but it's a no win. It's a no win win there. 472 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,320 Yeah, win. I mean, in other words, let me 473 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,920 retract that. You can't lose. 474 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,880 Sorry about that. Edit that out. 475 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,480 You can't lose, you know, it's, it's just one of those things 476 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,040 that you got 3 great minds under the same umbrella. 477 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,520 What do you think is going to happen? 478 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,040 Dolla sign. Exactly what we see happening. 479 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,520 You're you're on Netflix making money hand over fist. 480 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,600 You're, you're, you're in Saudi Arabia making money hand over 481 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,560 fist. You're you're, you're more 482 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,320 popular now in making more money now than ever in the history of 483 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,080 any wrestling company, in the history of the industry. 484 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,720 Not So. That's what's not bad. 485 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,920 For the Harvey Weinstein, a professional wrestling or 486 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,680 Weinstein or whatever the name is. 487 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,680 Tony go live to regret that one boy, some people. 488 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,960 Some people might say, now I'm not saying this so you dirt 489 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,960 sheet riders don't fucking go and make sure that you print the 490 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,040 wrong shit. Some people might say well shit 491 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,040 at this point in case I might want to be the Weinstein or 492 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,560 Weinstein having to say his last name and not be Pepsi because 493 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,600 look at what the hell WWE is doing right now. 494 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,600 It's. Incredible. 495 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,960 Yeah. They, they can't miss. 496 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,320 They're at a point now where they just can't miss and and we 497 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,640 haven't even seen the best yet. We got the John Cena farewell 498 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,080 tour that's about to kick off. We got so many things. 499 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,360 Goldberg's last match. There's so many other things. 500 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,240 The Royal Rumble alone scene is going to be in it. 501 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,120 Roman's going to be in it looks like Logan Paul is going to be 502 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:53,440 in. Who do you? 503 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,840 Think is going to take it bad? Bunnies, Jesus. 504 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,080 I I honestly think that you got to have Cena win it and then 505 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,720 have Cena face Gunther win the title from Gunther and then 506 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,560 however long it takes, wherever it is, you got to have Cena drop 507 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,000 the title to J USO. The response that Jay USO has 508 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,040 been getting from the fans is as strong as anybody in the company 509 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,040 and you got to reward that. He's too hot, he's too over. 510 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,880 He sells merch handsome, he's marketable. 511 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,960 I don't understand you. You got to find a way to put a 512 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,080 belt on that. Now that that doesn't mean that 513 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,200 he can't go through growing pains and have a big feud and 514 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,400 Gunther certainly can still be a a a top challenger and all that 515 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,120 good stuff. But I think Cena getting the 516 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,400 title and then eventually putting over Jay USO is the best 517 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,120 way to pass the torch. I was just about to. 518 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,680 Say that I was gentle when you said when you brought up those 519 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,480 two, that's what was going through my mind. 520 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,400 It'd be great. That would enhance Jay more than 521 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,920 you can even imagine. They would pass that torch from 522 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,920 Cena. Something happened to me on 523 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,840 Monday when I was looking at Jay on the on TV on Netflix. 524 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:22,000 I realized this guy is the closest thing that we've had to 525 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,160 Macho Man Randy Savage since Macho Man Randy Savage. 526 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,800 That whole yeet stuff with the glasses and the and he's and 527 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,400 he's colorful and the, and the way that the crowd responds to 528 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,920 him and all that stuff, it's too genuine, man. 529 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,040 He's he's this is not a fad. This is something that has 530 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,200 staying power. But he still needs that extra 531 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,440 something to just get him completely over the top to where 532 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,000 he's in legendary status as a singles competitor. 533 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,560 And I believe John Cena not only putting him over, but putting 534 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,200 him over for a title. That's it. 535 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,520 Jay USO is truly a main eventer for the rest of his career after 536 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:01,840 that. Yeah. 537 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360 So I, I, I think the company's got to do it, man. 538 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,720 I think, and I want to quote his daddy now as, as Rikishi would 539 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,160 say, the heat man, They they got to put the title on the heat 540 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,880 man. So, you know, that's me putting 541 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:25,200 my little Booker hat on there, Devon, you know, So Jay USO, 542 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,680 make sure my check's in the mail, brother. 543 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,880 I just put you over bid. Yes, you did. 544 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,640 We're going to move on from AW, growing pains, WWE continue to 545 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,360 make money hand over fist and we're going to get into 546 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,720 something very, very serious and, and, and sensitive. 547 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,520 And I'm going to give a trigger warning to folks out there 548 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,080 because we're going to be talking about mental health. 549 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,400 We're going to be talking about emotional stability and things 550 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,040 like that. Our next couple of topics. 551 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,640 I want to start with a scenario because this is something that 552 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,360 you've personally experienced throughout your career. 553 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,920 So I, I want to frame it this way. 554 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:10,200 Let's say you, you came into the WWE and it's modern Times Now, 555 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Devon, you've already had your TLC series. 556 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,240 You're solidified as being not just this outside ECW group that 557 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,040 came in. Now you've made it over the 558 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,680 hump, you're respected. You're not the legend that you 559 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,040 are today because you still got a lot more career left to go. 560 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,360 But you're at that point now where you're establishing the 561 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,960 WWE. You are the A tag team like the 562 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:41,080 Dudley Boys are in right. You are going through the next 563 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,480 level of company adjustments, this shifting the rosters like 564 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,520 they always do, all that good stuff there. 565 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,960 You've been on the the A show, you've been on Raw for a while. 566 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,320 Sometimes you're on Smack down and that's OK, what have you. 567 00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:00,560 But suddenly without any notice, you're shifted to whatever the 568 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,440 third brand is. For a while, ECW was 1/3 brand 569 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,200 in WWE. So let's just say that let's say 570 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,280 you're shifted down to the new ECW instead of being on Raw and 571 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,560 on Smack right now. Your money hasn't changed. 572 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,920 Whatever you're you, you, you're getting paid, whatever your 573 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,680 guarantee is, that stays the same. 574 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,960 But it's just that you're not on the top shows anymore. 575 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,280 You, you're going to be on this other show for the foreseeable 576 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:32,680 future. Talk to us about the emotional 577 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,760 and the mental aspect of how you handle. 578 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,440 It's not necessarily a demotion, although it can feel that way. 579 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,920 How do you handle being shifted from the top shows to something 580 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:52,840 that is still up and coming? Are you asking me my opinion on 581 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,040 it? I'm asking I'm, I'm, I'm going 582 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,200 deeper than that. I'm asking you how did you 583 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,880 personally handle it? Because it is something that you 584 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,240 went through before. And I mean, I guess the closest 585 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,320 thing that I can think of is when you went from being part of 586 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,440 the Dudley boys to being Reverend Devon for a period of 587 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,480 time, which when you had to do that singles right and you know 588 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,719 you. Know the great part about it is 589 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,000 not to get off the subject, but that happened and you know, it 590 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,040 was a little bit of a dog time for me, I my career. 591 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,520 But yet when I look back at all the matches, all the promos, the 592 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,440 comments underneath what people tell me when I see them at 593 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,760 autograph signing and things like that, that gimmick was 594 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,719 really good. It was WWE. 595 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,480 We still remember it. Absolutely it we still remember 596 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,199 my opinion at the time, it was WWE that dropped the ball with 597 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,639 that one and they don't drop the ball. 598 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,760 They barely dropped the ball, and I said that earlier, but in 599 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,760 this aspect, I think they dropped the ball with the 600 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,160 Reverend Devon. It was getting over great. 601 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,920 Promos were funny and that's what it was supposed to be. 602 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,600 The character wasn't supposed to be somebody that was taken 603 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,000 seriously. It was supposed to be it was a 604 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,480 joke. It was like brother love, you 605 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,760 know, the evil, you know, Reverend, you know, goes out 606 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,560 there and tries to gather the money from the masses of 607 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,800 congregation. It was it was supposed to have 608 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,160 been a joke And and you know, like a feel good moment getting 609 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,600 back at crooked preachers. That's what it should have been 610 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,200 and that's what it was. But you know, they took it 611 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,280 another way and it was it is what it is. 612 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,400 As far as the whole Corey Graves thing go, yes, there were times 613 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,760 when me and Bubba even let's not talk about the Reverend Devon 614 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,280 thing. Let's just talk about us being 615 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,320 AW Boyce period. We basically we basically 616 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,880 touched on many times where we were on Monday Night War. 617 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,640 We were on Smackdown religiously just going at it. 618 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,840 And then at one point in time they put us on Sunday Night 619 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,240 Heat. They put us on the second show, 620 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:06,200 Velocity and you know they were like two or three weeks, maybe 621 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,440 even 4 weeks where we did that show straight after doing all 622 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,920 the smackdowns, all the money. I was, does it mess with you 623 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,440 mentally? Absolutely. 624 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,840 Did you like what did I do wrong? 625 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:23,160 Why am I put on the lowest show? But what me and Bubba gathered 626 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,240 from that, even with all the years that we had built up in 627 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,000 our career by that point, it was a night off for us in a sense. 628 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,600 We would still go out there and give 110%, but then we'll go out 629 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,400 there and just have fun because, you know, at T VS you're not 630 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,400 known to be able to have fun because you're under time 631 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,440 restraint. You can only do it within a 632 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,720 certain amount of time and this and that because they're trying 633 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:49,840 to get ready for Raw Smackdown. You know, we learned that we can 634 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,160 go out there and have a great match and even try to steal a 635 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,280 show on something that heat or velocity, you know, why not? 636 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,760 Why not have a knockout, you know, drag out great match, 637 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,240 which is what I'm trying to say and I don't know because I've 638 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,200 never done commentating. Would that be on the same level 639 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,200 as what Corey is going through right now? 640 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,120 Why not? If he's going to NXT now to do 641 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,440 that and it's going to be Booker and who's the other guy that's 642 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,600 there? That's Victoria. 643 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,960 Joseph Victoria. I'm sorry he's. 644 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,120 Going to if you listen to this, he's going to kill me. 645 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,800 He's, I forgot his name, sorry. Victoria. 646 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,080 You know, you have a chance to be there with two people that 647 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,120 you've had fun with in the commentating booth. 648 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,720 So just look at it as it's going out there having fun. 649 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,640 I don't think he should be worried about him being taken 650 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,480 off the main roster in terms of commentating. 651 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,720 And I'm sure he's gone through that himself being, being 652 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,440 talent. You know, it's really nothing 653 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,000 wrong with it. I don't feel like it is. 654 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,760 I feel like he can definitely grow even more than what he's 655 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,000 already have and help, help, you know, teach something else, you 656 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,360 know, that maybe Victoria doesn't know. 657 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,680 And even that damn Booker T. Especially that Booker T 658 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,240 especially. That Booker T who's having, too. 659 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,840 Much fun. Who's having too much fun at 660 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,000 NXT, by the way? He's having a ball. 661 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,360 This guy you know now books. My books, my boy. 662 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,400 I love him to death. Go ahead, I love. 663 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,440 It in book he's been on the show a couple times. 664 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,560 I I I love book grew up as I actually have witnessed his 665 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,960 entire career. I've, I've pretty much have 666 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,920 witnessed your entire career too, Devon, which is a very 667 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,840 interesting thing to be able to say where your first televised 668 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,520 match I've seen and I've seen your last televised match up to 669 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,680 this point. Yeah. 670 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,760 So that's I'm I'm very proud of that. 671 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,680 To be able to say that. That's how long I've been 672 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:43,080 watching you, brother. Since the beginning 19. 90191996 673 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,840 was the debut April 13th, 1996 Lost Battalion Hall, Queens. 674 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,240 I, I, I've seen it since then and, and all the way to the end. 675 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,920 So you know, it's, it's interesting and, and, and again, 676 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,560 you've been through so much, you've been through this type of 677 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,600 situation many times over. And. 678 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,040 It's all about perspective here. Here's what I'm saying for a 679 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,400 historical perspective. Good for anyone who listens to 680 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,080 this in the future who may not necessarily know what we're 681 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,600 talking about. Why we got here? 682 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:24,840 WWE commentator Corey Graves, he was upset and started posting on 683 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:30,160 X Twitter. That's the reason why he's not 684 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,120 on Smack Down or Raw is because the company doesn't feel he's 685 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,240 famous enough to be on either one of those shows. 686 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,640 So that's it. That's why I stopped asking him 687 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,880 because that's the reason, which is just wow, what a way to say 688 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,720 it. Look, he's. 689 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,840 Probably 1 of the greatest. He's probably one of the 690 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,120 greatest, yeah. You know, young commentators out 691 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,200 there right now. Not to mention he knows his 692 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,360 shit. He knows what he's doing. 693 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,320 He knows what he's doing. He he's the new Jesse, the body 694 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,280 Ventura, as far as I'm concerned, I would say. 695 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,080 No, he reminds me of Jesse. Yeah, yes. 696 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,200 Yeah. He he's not Bobby Heenan, but 697 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,960 he's Jesse also. Anybody. 698 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,920 Can be Bobby Heenan Bobby Heenan was one of the time. 699 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,760 Exactly. But he's. 700 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,440 Yeah, he's, he's definitely Jesse. 701 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,560 Here's the issue, though, and here's where it it makes it kind 702 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,600 of tricky. Corey has always been very open 703 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,160 about the fact that he suffers from mental health challenges, 704 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,520 anxiety, depression, things of that nature. 705 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:29,600 And and he had a career injury, career ending injury as a 706 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,560 wrestler, which certainly compounds the feeling of having 707 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,720 something important to you that you think is what you're going 708 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,560 to do for the rest of your career taken away from you, so 709 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,880 to speak. So I sympathize with that aspect 710 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,760 of things. Maybe the the way that we would 711 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,080 react to stuff is a little different when you have somebody 712 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,840 who has those additional challenges that they're working 713 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,360 through. So I sympathize with that. 714 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,520 And you know, those those issues are legal disabilities, by the 715 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,240 way. So I want to make sure that 716 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:05,880 everybody understands that we are aware of those facts and we 717 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:11,000 are sensitive to those facts. With that said though, Corey and 718 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,960 I'm talking to you directly, brother, you got to go to work. 719 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,640 There is too many opportunities, you work too hard. 720 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,040 The company is in too incredible situation for you not to 721 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,080 capitalize on whatever it is that they put on your plate. 722 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,800 NXT is on CW, that's network TV. That is the only network TV 723 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,400 television show that WWE has currently. 724 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,440 For them to put you on that show where you get to get to know the 725 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,720 younger stars and call their matches, what do you think is 726 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,480 going to happen when enough of them get called up to Smack Down 727 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,480 or Raw? You're going to be the preferred 728 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,680 commentator that they're going to want to call their matches 729 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,040 because you actually know them. You know their moves, you know 730 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,720 their tendencies. You know how to get them over by 731 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,160 by painting the picture with words on what they're doing in 732 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,720 the ring. So this is a golden opportunity, 733 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:10,600 brother, to to go down and and help these young kids build them 734 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,680 up. And then when it's time, you're 735 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,120 going to be bumped right back up to help them on that that next 736 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,640 level as well. So don't look at you didn't lose 737 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,160 any money. You just got a big raise and you 738 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,280 got to keep that money. You still getting paid the same 739 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,000 rate come on Corey, I get it. You had to blow some steam off. 740 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,320 That wasn't the best way to do it. 741 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,760 But it you know it happened. You take your lumps. 742 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,840 Maybe you get suspended or something or you get a good 743 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,120 talking to and that's fine but brother, it's time to go to 744 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,440 work. We better see you at work very 745 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,080 soon, and I'm just going to leave it at that. 746 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,400 Devon, you want to put a period on that one I. 747 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,880 Want to say, Lori, Uncle Devon saying come on back to work, 748 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,400 stop the nonsense and let's hear your voice up there again. 749 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,200 Damn right, damn right, too talented and, and the company 750 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,120 needs you. And, and I'm going to say that 751 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,000 definitively. The company needs you. 752 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,800 They've invested too much in you. 753 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,800 Your development has been excellent. 754 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,600 The company needs you to continue to pay off for them on 755 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,520 every level. You ain't got no business being 756 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,080 at home at this point unless you're hurt. 757 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,400 So let's go. Let's get back to work, yes? 758 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,480 Please. There's that. 759 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,720 Now let's let's let's move on to the next one here because this 760 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:35,200 is another personal thing WWE legend Molina trended last week 761 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,840 on XI heard about. That because some. 762 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:45,360 Yeah, some promoter put out that Molina's unresponsive and hasn't 763 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,080 returned their calls. So as a result, they deemed her 764 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,600 quote, UN quote, missing. And with the wildfires happening 765 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,960 in California, they're very concerned that something's wrong 766 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,040 and all this other nonsense. And unfortunately, the dirt 767 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,000 sheets, instead of doing any due diligence, they just took that 768 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,480 and ran with it. And that prompted even Fox News 769 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,840 to report on this and report that Molina is been reportedly 770 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,080 missing and all this other nonsense here. 771 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:22,160 Now Full disclosure. Well, yeah, in, in, in the end, 772 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,000 she, she, she and her team got in contact and let the original 773 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,920 poster know that she's perfectly fine. 774 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,600 And they had to retract what they said, which caused a little 775 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,560 bit of an avalanche of people having to walk back to the 776 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,760 sensationalism because, you know, all the dirt it it 777 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,160 trended, it was the number one topic. 778 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,320 All the dirt sheets were saying, oh, just she's missing and she's 779 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,760 unresponsive and Oh my God, and all this nonsense. 780 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,680 Here's what I'll say to this. Molina's been on Duke Loves 781 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,640 Wrestling a number of times. And she and I have developed a 782 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,320 very good rapport. We've spoken for hours on the 783 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,840 show and, and even more hours offline and what have you. 784 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,800 And, you know, I check in on her from time to time and she always 785 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,760 tells me, in fact, right before Thanksgiving, we had a great 786 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,080 conversation where she reminded me she was like, hey, you know, 787 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,560 sometimes things get overwhelming and I just have to 788 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,040 step away for a little bit. I'm not ignoring you. 789 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,800 It's just that, you know, that's the way I do. 790 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,240 I process things or what have you. 791 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:25,040 So just want to let you know, you know, there's nothing 792 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,400 personal on you, but sometimes I step away and I and I told her, 793 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,520 I said, look, you and I have already had this conversation 794 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,720 many times. I get it. 795 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,200 I understand and just stay safe. That's all we care about. 796 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,680 But don't worry, you know, you don't got to apologize for 797 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,240 anything. Take your time away as much as 798 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:44,400 you need to and, and, and focus on you and your family and what 799 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,160 and what's most important. So when I saw that she was 800 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:52,560 unresponsive to someone, that didn't surprise me because I 801 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,440 know that that's how she rolls, right? 802 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,480 And I reached out to her personally and I also reached 803 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,640 out to her brother. And then not long after that 804 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,560 they got in contact with those folks and told them to cut the 805 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,600 bolt. They I almost swore there. 806 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,520 Jesus, cut the nonsense out. So here's my question to you, 807 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,840 Devon. Can you imagine waking up and 808 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,960 finding out that you're quote UN quote missing and unresponsive? 809 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,040 How, how crazy would that be to you that you would be a number 810 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,080 one trending topic even on Fox News that Devon Dudley is is 811 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,040 missing and unresponsive? Well, you know, one of the 812 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,720 things I will say about that is hold on. 813 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:38,960 One of the things I will say about that is it's happened 814 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,720 numerous times, not just with wrestlers or what have you. 815 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:46,120 We've had incidents where somebody said somebody was dead 816 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,120 and they weren't in the wrestling world. 817 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,080 And you know, and this and that more about there was even right 818 00:46:53,080 --> 00:47:01,680 after Vince bought the company WCW, I think it was the next 819 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,720 week, there was a report when as soon as I got to the building, 820 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,000 there was a report that Whitney Houston and Luther Vandross both 821 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,080 passed away. And I remember I was like, what 822 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,240 the hell is this world coming to? 823 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,600 I was like, you know, this is crazy. 824 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,360 And then of course, we found out later on that that wasn't the 825 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,280 case and that somebody had put that out there. 826 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,200 They were looking to get a story. 827 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,480 They were looking to get people to respond to a story, which 828 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,360 wasn't true. And that's what you get a lot of 829 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,840 times with these dirt sheet riders. 830 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,760 You get that things that aren't true. 831 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,400 So when you read this stuff, don't take it like, well, this 832 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,840 is what the Internet said. This is what they said. 833 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,000 No, because probably 65 to 75% of that, it's false. 834 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,680 Unless you hear it from the person's mouth themselves or you 835 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,480 see whatever is going on yourself, that's when you take 836 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,840 it. That is the truth. 837 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,800 Hold on, do you remember when that rumor went around before 838 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,760 those two passed away, that they were there? 839 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,440 Absolutely. Absolutely. 840 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,840 So you didn't? Remember that, OK, Yeah, 'cause 841 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,920 I know it took, it took me like, 'cause you know, I'm like, damn. 842 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,600 Whitney Houston and Luther Vandross, both dead, who icons 843 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,320 in the music industry, especially in the black 844 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,320 community that that was, that would have been, that wasn't 845 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,440 like freaking mind boggling. Then we had just lost Michael. 846 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,080 No, we didn't. We didn't lose Michael yet. 847 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,520 Well, and keep in mind that was early in the Internet, so that's 848 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,200 why I was able to spread the way that it did exactly. 849 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,200 You know. That stupid rumor that was not 850 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,280 true. Absolutely. 851 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,200 I, I, I remember that like it was yesterday. 852 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,520 It was crazy, you know, and I said it before my first media 853 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,520 job, I was 13 years old and we were trained by some of the top 854 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,120 media professionals at the time in the nation and, and honored 855 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:59,280 with awards and stuff like that. So one of the things that was 856 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,960 hammered into me early is that if you ain't getting it directly 857 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,000 from the source, you got to be careful of how you're you're 858 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,080 talking about stuff. And that's why even with 859 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,560 podcasting, I'm not chasing rumors. 860 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,760 I'm not chasing trying to break news. 861 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,760 I would rather have either somebody who has direct 862 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,200 knowledge of what's going on to, to come on and talk about it or 863 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,640 literally give the the actual subject, the person who's being 864 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,800 spoken of to come on and and talk or at least give me a 865 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,480 statement. So it mortifies me to see how 866 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,560 these folks just run afoul. They've done it to you a million 867 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,040 times, Steve, on where they just say things that are just not 868 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,880 true. And because some goofball made 869 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,080 it up, everybody takes it and runs with it. 870 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,080 And now it's it's they're getting their clicks off of 871 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,680 that. It's disgusting and it pisses me 872 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,120 off. And Molina, who already has her 873 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,320 own challenges that she goes through to have to deal with 874 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,760 that where she legitimately is trending as if she's dead. 875 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,480 That is a pretty tough thing for a person to have to deal with. 876 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,960 You know what I mean? And, and for and for their 877 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,640 family more importantly, especially family who may be, 878 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,840 you know, you didn't talk to them today or you haven't spoken 879 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,920 to them since the holidays. And then you go online and 880 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,040 everybody's saying your family members probably dead. 881 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,600 That's crazy. It's absolutely. 882 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:16,960 Crazy. I do. 883 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,200 Know that she had went through some personal stuff in her life 884 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,760 where, you know, she kind of needed help. 885 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,560 And so to, to have to go through that, you know, about 15 years 886 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,400 ago now, to have this come up and for them to say what they 887 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,840 said, that's got to be working on the nerves and, and, and the 888 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,400 mind. It really does because you have 889 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,000 to a lot of trauma bro. Yeah, it's. 890 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,800 It's a lot of trauma. It is, yeah. 891 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,160 She she revealed on on my show that the first of about 10 years 892 00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:00,120 of her life, she was non verbal. This is a person who has been 893 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,240 dealing with challenges since day one, so she she already 894 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:08,480 didn't really talk much for the 1st 10 years of her life. 895 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,160 Think about that. So then all the other things 896 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,760 that she's had to go through and what have you. 897 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,640 And it's hard to even imagine that considering how flamboyant 898 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,120 she was, especially as a wrestler. 899 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,280 But she's playing a role, so it was easy for her to do that. 900 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,280 In reality, she's a very quiet, unassuming, trying to stay out 901 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,440 of the way kind of person. At least that's what's been 902 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,560 impressed upon me through our conversations. 903 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,160 So I don't know my. Yeah, You know, you, you, you 904 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,840 worked with it, you know, you know personally. 905 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,960 So my heart goes out and to Molina and her whole family and 906 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,640 and again to your dirt sheet folks. 907 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,040 And to these fans. If you truly are a fan, don't 908 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,880 contribute to somebody else's, whatever the opposite of their 909 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,320 well-being is to somebody else's trauma. 910 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,720 Let's say that. Please don't do that. 911 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,280 If we love these wrestlers, we don't need to be inflicting upon 912 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,600 these wrestlers and and I'll just leave it at that because 913 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,240 it's it's I'm still pissed about it. 914 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:05,160 Devo. I got to be honest. 915 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,400 I'm so pissed because it was crazy. 916 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,880 And and the person who, who started the the nonsense, when 917 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,240 they retracted the statement, they said, oh, she's been found. 918 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,280 She was never lost. What do you mean she's been 919 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,040 found? She was never lost. 920 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,240 So it's like, brother, Oh my God, no wonder she wants to 921 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,880 leave people alone for long periods of time because it's 922 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,560 like this is what they do. You know, it's it's, it's sick. 923 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaking of sick. And we're going to we're going 924 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:42,840 to end on this note here. There was a report, a tweet that 925 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,560 went out that Jada Parker who who's somebody who, you know, we 926 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,200 both have a lot of respect for and appreciation for. 927 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,440 She's doing a fantastic job in NXT. 928 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,800 Wonderful young lady who's developing well as a solid pro 929 00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,400 wrestler. She has a great character. 930 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,400 She cuts a fantastic promo. She looks amazing. 931 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,080 Like she, she's a star. No question. 932 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:09,160 Jada Parker's a star. She had liked a tweet that had 933 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:15,240 mentioned something about transgendered athletes competing 934 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,720 in sports against, you know, side by side with and against 935 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,720 women. And, you know, Jada had had 936 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,120 liked the tweet that said that that shouldn't be, you know, 937 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,400 women who were biologically born women shouldn't have to compete 938 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,960 with transgender athletes in sport, in real sport. 939 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,800 We're not talking wrestling or anything like that. 940 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,440 We're talking competitive sport. She liked it. 941 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,520 Now, Full disclosure, Jada Parker is a former Division One 942 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,120 soccer player. She was at the highest level and 943 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,320 she was very well accomplished. And she's and she's been a 944 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,800 winner her entire life as an athlete, an elite athlete, by 945 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,800 the way. So she's an expert on this 946 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,120 subject. She's a woman who's had to 947 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,480 compete at the highest level and had to go through everything, 948 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,000 you know, as a competitor. And she doesn't feel that she 949 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,480 should have to compete against somebody who biologically, 950 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,960 according to the definition, according to the laws, was born 951 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,080 a male. I think that she has enough 952 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,240 experience to be able to, to have an opinion on that and to 953 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,240 be able to say something about that more than anybody else who, 954 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,280 who never comes from that type of background. 955 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,200 But there's been an avalanche of people trashing her and, and, 956 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,600 and giving her a hard time about it and stuff like that. 957 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,400 And it, and it's just so ridiculous in my opinion, you 958 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,880 know, and in from a, from a societal standpoint, this is a 959 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,840 subject that is going to continue to be a hot button 960 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,560 issue. And this isn't anti anything. 961 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,600 There's no anti trans people or anything like that. 962 00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:01,360 This is just a fact of we got to take a look at biologically born 963 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,400 women. Why should they have to compete 964 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,960 with somebody who biologically likely has an advantage? 965 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,280 And, and I don't talk to me about, well, they're taking 966 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,280 pills and the hormones and you don't know. 967 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,520 No, actually I do know I interviewed Alexander Allred, 968 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:27,960 who she was one of the founders of the US Olympic bobsled team 969 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:33,000 for women and ironically she competed while she was pregnant. 970 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,000 She found out while she was competing as she was pregnant, 971 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,640 and she is the foundation of studying. 972 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,280 How do you treat an athlete in competitive sport when they're 973 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,040 pregnant, when they're early on in their pregnancies and when do 974 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,480 they have to stop and what should they eat and stuff like 975 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,920 that. Alexander Allred is the 976 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,080 foundation of that. She is person #0 I would say 977 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,440 where they had to learn from her and that's how they built the 978 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,320 whole system on how to treat athletes like that. 979 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,880 And, and Alex is an author now. She's a former martial artist as 980 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,640 well. She's a huge legend in sports. 981 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,720 She's an International Sports Hall of Fame as well. 982 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,000 And, and she's even said this is not something that women should 983 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,960 have to deal with. So when you got an expert like 984 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,160 that, I think she knows what she's talking about. 985 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,360 And she's educated me on a lot of stuff and on my oldest show, 986 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,040 Tell Us the Truth with iHeartRadio. 987 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,320 We had a fantastic conversation about that a few years back and 988 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,480 I still checking with Alex about the subject. 989 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:39,160 So I say all that folks, just to say this, everything doesn't 990 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,000 have to be a fight. Everyone's entitled to their own 991 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,800 opinion. But when you're talking to an 992 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:49,440 expert, I think you got to you got to put your pride aside and 993 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,040 and mind your manners a little bit and recognize I think this 994 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,360 person probably knows a little bit more about this subject than 995 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,200 I ever will because I'm never going to be AD one female 996 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,800 athlete. So I think I think those folks 997 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,520 know a little bit of something more than I do on this. 998 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,840 So Jada Parker, I support you. Sorry that you're being given a 999 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,120 hard time about this subject. WWE. 1000 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,160 It would be a shame if you gave her a hard time about sharing 1001 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,960 her opinion on something she's an expert on. 1002 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,040 That's my opinion and I'm going to leave that at that. 1003 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,920 I don't know Devon, do you have anything to add to that subject 1004 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,080 there? Well, you. 1005 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,720 Know this is coming from, you know, my brother who is gay and 1006 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,280 this had came up between him and I before. 1007 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,520 And it was funny because when I heard about what was going on I 1008 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,720 said I agree with her in terms of that. 1009 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,760 And I say that respectfully, not taking anything away from the 1010 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,880 gay community or whatever they decide whatever agenda they 1011 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,160 would prefer to be called. My thing is this and I was 1012 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,640 speaking to my brother about this and he agreed with me 100%, 1013 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,200 but he was the one that actually said it. 1014 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,280 He said and again, he's gay. So he said here it is. 1015 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,800 I'm gay. If I decide to be a woman and to 1016 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,840 transfer my body into being a woman, guess what? 1017 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,280 Biologically I'm still a man. So I'm still going to have that 1018 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,880 strength that I had growing up as a boy or as a man. 1019 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,960 If I go into a, if I go into a club, get into it with a girl 1020 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,240 who is gay and who dresses like a man or what have you. 1021 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:32,560 If I, if I, if I, if I was the push or to hit that individual 1022 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:38,440 out of an argument or, or some type of disagreement or what 1023 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,040 have you, which sometimes guys do in terms of with other guys, 1024 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,880 you know, they get mad fights, break out and things like that. 1025 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,200 But if I was to do that to a woman, they would still look at 1026 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:53,480 her as being a woman, you know, not pretty much a, a woman 1027 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,920 trying to make a transfer over to a man. 1028 00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:01,320 So again, I understand people are very, very, what's the word 1029 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,520 I'm looking for? They're very, very careful on 1030 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,960 how they say this or approach it because it's a very sensitive 1031 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,880 subject with a lot of people. But again, I agree, I agree with 1032 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:15,000 her to the to the point where she's a Division One athlete. 1033 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:20,840 So you can't take men who are Division One athletes and put 1034 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:27,400 them in to a a program with Division One women, you know, 1035 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,520 And of course, if the women win and it's like, yeah, you know, 1036 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,600 girl power. But if the guys win, it's like, 1037 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,480 oh, it's expected, you know, because of that it is. 1038 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,960 It's even like, say for wrestling, you know, you got to 1039 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,280 be very careful unless that person is very skilled and the 1040 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,320 other one isn't. That's pretty much the only way 1041 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,160 something like that could actually happen where if you 1042 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,440 take somebody with the strength of Brock Lesnar. 1043 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,640 Now, I'm not saying Brock, I'm just saying take a man that's 1044 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,040 kind of built like Brock has his same strength and this and that. 1045 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,360 And let's just say he felt like he was born the wrong sex or 1046 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,800 what have you, and he wanted to become a woman and he did 1047 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,280 everything possible to make the necessary changes to do that. 1048 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,800 Grant you he has the right to do whatever he wants to do. 1049 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,680 But the same token, he still has that strength. 1050 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,000 He still has that ability that he's had before he made the 1051 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,480 transformation. So to go in there with a female. 1052 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,880 And to actually go in there and say to wrestle or to be on the 1053 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:27,440 same level as AUFC fighter, to be able to fight them on that 1054 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,920 level, it's just that's impossible because he is still 1055 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,760 going to win regards or at that point she'll become a woman. 1056 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,000 So she will still win regardless. 1057 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,520 It's just to me, it's just that you just I don't know, it's just 1058 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,680 very touchy. It's very weird when you go into 1059 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,600 that type of when you get into that type of subject because 1060 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:55,720 again, you understand what both sides are saying, but I 1061 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,400 understand more of Jada than I do the other side because again, 1062 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,120 the strength is still going to be there. 1063 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,360 So how are you going to be able to compensate for that? 1064 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,920 That's that's what I think she's coming from. 1065 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,240 Absolutely. And and again, she, she's an 1066 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,440 expert on the subject. So she, I think she, she can be 1067 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,760 given enough grace to share her expert opinion without being 1068 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,680 beat up on about it. Folks are, are, are, there's too 1069 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,600 many of these fake activists. There's too many of these folks 1070 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,920 who who think they have an opinion on something and they 1071 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,480 really don't know what the hell they're talking about and they 1072 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,360 assume too much about everybody else. 1073 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,920 And again but and again, dude, I got to say this, no one is 1074 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,760 taking away anything. Whoever wants to be whatever 1075 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,840 they want to be in terms of they want to change their sex, their 1076 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,640 gender, that's fine. No one's saying anything bad 1077 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,640 about that. No one's saying that they're 1078 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,400 prejudice or racist against that particular situation. 1079 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:58,760 All they're saying is that the, the is, I don't know if ability 1080 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:04,840 is the right word, but you know, taking on taking a man who wants 1081 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:10,560 to be a woman now and then put them in a direct a physical 1082 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,760 competition with an actual female. 1083 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,240 Like I said, will it be wrestling? 1084 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,680 Even women's football, the the women's league that they have 1085 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,040 and things like that. Now, I'm not going to say 1086 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,760 basketball. I think basketball is a little 1087 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,160 because we've seen things where men and women have gone at it 1088 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,160 and a lot of times the women are pretty much victorious in that 1089 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,120 aspect. We we've all seen that at one 1090 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:41,640 point in time. But wrestling, MMA and even 1091 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,120 boxing I think would be totally unfair because again, you have 1092 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:52,600 that, you have the I mean. From a, From a, from a physical 1093 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,640 standpoint, I mean even your skeletal structure, you know 1094 01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,880 what I mean a bit. We are not the same. 1095 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,480 We are not the same. And, and, and that's biology. 1096 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,080 I don't care what your opinion is. 1097 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:06,960 I don't. And I'm not going to sit here 1098 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,320 and play games with any of these folks who want to sit there and 1099 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:10,480 act like they know what they're talking about. 1100 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,120 Let me tell you something. I'm in Massachusetts. 1101 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,600 I fought for, for, for marriage equality and I and, and, and 1102 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,360 rights for everybody and all that good stuff. 1103 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:19,480 And I continue to do so. And. 1104 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,800 Yeah, and. No one's saying no one, no one's 1105 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,280 going against that. That's, you know, if that's what 1106 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,480 if that's what you would like to do, then so be it. 1107 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,160 But when it comes to a physical aspect of the game, whether it's 1108 01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,600 wrestling, MMA, boxing, and I use those three because those 1109 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,480 are physical. That's where I think the 1110 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,320 advantage is unfair. Yeah, soccer too. 1111 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,000 Men are generally faster and stronger, and when you're 1112 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,120 biologically born that way, I don't care what hormones you're 1113 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,640 taking. If I knock your ass over as a 1114 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,640 biological woman, you're going to probably get hurt more than 1115 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,960 when you knock me over, no matter what hormones I take, 1116 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,240 because my skeletal structure is different. 1117 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,000 Don't give me that nonsense, folks. 1118 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,240 I don't want to hear that Well. Not only that, but the strength, 1119 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,520 the strength it's, it's, you know, it doesn't make any sense 1120 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:14,240 for that to even be considered not to be a factor in this. 1121 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:15,760 That's it. That's the. 1122 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,720 Thing and I'm going to. Tell people right now you want 1123 01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,480 to cancel me for what I said. That's OK. 1124 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,440 My record speaks for itself. But there's nothing. 1125 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,360 No, dude. I'm not. 1126 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,760 No, no, there's nothing to cancel you for. 1127 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,960 Nothing. Nobody's saying anything 1128 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,360 derogatory about them in any way shape or form. 1129 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,280 Or when I say them, I mean the people in the community that 1130 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,000 thinks that it's, it's wrong to even speak about it. 1131 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,400 It's a fact that it has to be brought up. 1132 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,360 No one should be cancelled because they have an opinion on 1133 01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,200 how they feel about a certain situation. 1134 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,840 So in my opinion, for those that want to make a big deal out of 1135 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,480 what you and I are saying, then go to hell. 1136 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,160 That's it. That's it. 1137 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,520 We're going to deal with it. And, and here's the worst part, 1138 01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,320 we got a guy coming back in office with Trump who he already 1139 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,720 made it clear that from a legal standpoint, there's only going 1140 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,320 to be two genders. And I'm telling those folks out 1141 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,720 there right now who are giving Jada a hard time. 1142 01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,840 What are you going to do when from a legal standpoint that's 1143 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,240 all it is. So it's like y'all got to really 1144 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,280 sit down and think about what you're choosing to, to give 1145 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,680 people a hard time about and where are you getting your 1146 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,000 allies from? Because you're going to drive 1147 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,720 people away who generally speaking, are actually on your 1148 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,480 side and willing to, to to advocate for you. 1149 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,760 But you're going to nitpick over something like this and you're 1150 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,640 going to drive people away. And you don't want to hear that. 1151 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,800 But I'm going to tell you that whole earthy crunchy, you know, 1152 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,360 your feelings are more important than the facts and all that. 1153 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,400 That's that's gone. The reality of situation is 1154 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,600 people have to start getting serious about how we're going to 1155 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,840 move forward as a society and what makes sense. 1156 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,040 And when an expert talks about something, you don't disrespect 1157 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,880 them as somebody who's never been and never will be. 1158 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,080 And I'll leave it at that. Big man, you got a lot to plug. 1159 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,080 Let's start with that, that wonderful, fantastic YouTube 1160 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,800 channel of yours there. Plug away, man. 1161 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,240 What's the best way folks can check you out on YouTube? 1162 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,520 Well, they can definitely check me out on YouTube. 1163 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,520 Devon Dudley on YouTube, that which we are we're close to 1164 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,680 60,000 subscribers. So thank you the fans and 1165 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,960 friends for making that number happen within a short amount of 1166 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,800 time It's been a great ride I'm enjoying everything the new 1167 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,200 video is up for this month, so check it out if you haven't seen 1168 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,920 it already and we have 1 coming out every Thursday. 1169 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,240 So and we've got some good guests, I should say great 1170 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,680 guests coming up within the next 3 or 4 weeks one you're not 1171 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,240 going to want to miss so please check out the YouTube channel 1172 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,480 and be a part of it. Also, you can reach on Instagram 1173 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,840 Testify Devon as well as testify Devon on Twitter. 1174 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:01,560 I have a private Facebook. So it's it's for family and 1175 01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,280 friends only. So I do not allow anybody from 1176 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:10,160 the outside to go on that site again, unless you're family or 1177 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,160 close, close friends. So I do so in other words, I 1178 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,840 don't really have a Facebook for the fans, but again, reach me on 1179 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,280 those platforms and we can definitely talk. 1180 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:26,160 Also, I have the wrestling school in Winter Park, FL 2724 1181 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,560 sites road right there in Winter Park, FL. 1182 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,240 It's literally 2 minutes away from Full Sail University, but 1183 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,240 yet three to four minutes away from the performance center. 1184 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,440 So come check us out if you're ready to take your, your, your 1185 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,520 career to the next level. And also we have a detailing 1186 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:47,400 business out in Fort Lauderdale, which I'm always advertising on 1187 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,080 Instagram. So you know, if you want your 1188 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,160 car detailed, if you live in the Miami area and as far up as 1189 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,960 Daytona, give us a call and we'll come to you. 1190 01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,520 It's a mobile detailing business and we're out there ready to 1191 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,240 clean your car and make sure it works for you. 1192 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,280 I love. It I love it. 1193 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,640 Of course, folks, Duke loves Rossin on Gmail on Facebook, 1194 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,760 Duke loves rossin@gmail.com. Let me know what you think. 1195 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:17,880 Listen, before we go, a great friend of the show, Nick Butay, 1196 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,760 his dad's Sam. Sam had a major health scare. 1197 01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,960 I don't know if you knew this before Devon, major health scare 1198 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,439 over the holidays. He was in the hospital for a 1199 01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,760 little while. They almost lost him, but you 1200 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,160 know, Sam, he kicked out, he's on the mend. 1201 01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,880 So he's back home with the family and he's and he's slowly 1202 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,120 recuperating what have you. Can we give some kind of well 1203 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,319 wishes to our brother Sam from River City Wrestling Con? 1204 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,680 Yeah, Sam, listen, it's Devon here. 1205 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,640 I just want to say please get well and know that you have 1206 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,279 family and friends in your corner protecting and guiding 1207 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,920 you, and know that God has you and he's going to bring you back 1208 01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,200 stronger than ever. So get well, my brother, and 1209 01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,160 testify. That's right, Sam, we love you, 1210 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,680 brother. Hang in there. 1211 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,279 Can't wait to see you at the 2025 River City Wrestling Con. 1212 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,120 You're always good for a great joke and what have you. 1213 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,240 So I can't wait to hear some of those, man. 1214 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,040 So get yourself ready for that because it's going to be a great 1215 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,439 time. That's right. 1216 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,720 All right, Devon, let's get our word of the week to take us out. 1217 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,279 Sure. Don't consider yourself to be 1218 01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:25,080 wise. This will this will come from a 1219 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,359 biblical aspect. Don't consider yourself to be 1220 01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,080 wise. Trust in the Lord with all your 1221 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,560 heart and do not rely on your own understanding. 1222 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,479 Think about Him and all your ways and He will guide you on 1223 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,479 the right path. Testify. 1224 01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:48,319 Testify indeed, Strictly. For the culture, every day 1225 01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:58,880 stepping style in your unique way, pants and colours so define 1226 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:08,760 all about the perfect life. Be yourself, let your spirit 1227 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,760 lie. In this fashion, you'll touch 1228 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:25,240 the sky strictly for the culture and so fine and show your shine 1229 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:42,960 strictly for the culture every day visit. 1230 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:58,760 Www.strictlyfortheculture.ca. Backstage whispers and the 1231 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:05,440 crowds roar from matching giants to legends of your Diva's wisdom 1232 01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:09,040 and Duke's keen view. Every episode feels like it's 1233 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:13,120 brand new. Diva and Duke bring the heat. 1234 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,560 Wrestling tails knock you off your seat. 1235 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:17,720 TuneIn.