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The River City Wrestling Con is 
happening June 8th and 9th at 

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the World Golf Village in St. 
Augustine, FL Visit 

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more information and tickets. 

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I'm telling you right now 
brothers and sisters, this is 

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going to be the biggest and best
River City Wrestling Con ever. 

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Guests scheduled to appear 
include The Icon, Sting, Trish 

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Stratus, Devon Dudley, Big Vito,
Legrazzo, Lita, Booker T, The 

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Hardy Boys and so much more. 
But get this, it will also be 

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live wrestling action. 
Fishing Pro wrestling champion 

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Tiffany Nieves takes on Ruthie J
We also have Scotty Sosa. 

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We also have the gold medalist 
herself, the suplex Queen 

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herself, Tiny Funnelly. 
She'll be in action once again 

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folks. 
World Golf Village St. 

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Augustine, FL June 8th and 9th 
The River City Wrestling Con 

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River City Wrestling con.com For
ticket information, check it 

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out. 
That's right. 

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You're locked in this. 
Is what we have here, folks. 

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To the only show that matters, 
the Queen of the Crop. 

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Duke loves wrestling and there 
is no one that does it better 

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than your host. 
I have come. 

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Here to chew bubble gum and kick
ass. 

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And I'm all out of bubble. 
Brothers and sisters, welcome 

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back to Devon and the Duke. 
This is the limited podcast 

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series hosted by myself. 
Duke loves wrestling and of 

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course, the Hall of Famer, our 
favorite brother himself, Yvonne

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Dudley. 
How you doing there Devon? 

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I'm doing good man, just one day
at a time. 

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Tired as all hell. 
Just came back from the road, 

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was in Altoona, PA Very, very 
good show there. 

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And then, of course, I was in 
Berkeley. 

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I think I, I always pronounce it
wrong. 

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Yeah. 
Berkeley, West Virginia. 

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So I was at Frizzle's production
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It was. 
That was a really good turn out 

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there. 
Shout out to our friends over at

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Frizzle. 
Certainly they they do a good 

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job. 
They keeping you booked and busy

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huh? 
Yeah, they really are. 

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And I said I got to make some 
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That's how much that, you know, 
I'm just going, going, going 

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constantly. 
But but that's a good thing. 

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And I'll never say no to any of 
that, you know? 

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Hey man, listen out of sight is 
out of mind. 

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So the more you stay out there, 
the more people continue to to 

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request you. 
That's good stuff there. 

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In fact, you got the River City 
Wrestling Con coming up June 8th

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and 9th. 
That's at the World Golf Village

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down there in Florida there. 
You. 

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How do you feeling about that? 
I feel good. 

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I mean, I've heard there's, I 
mean, a lot of people down there

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and I can't wait. 
Try to pump this out as much as 

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possible. 
In other words, get the word out

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and let the people know that 
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Frizzle production along with a 
host of other wrestling 

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superstars. 
We're going to be there and just

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really make, you know, make this
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You know, I want everybody to 
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show your love and support 
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same thing when you do come out.
So I'll be there from, I 

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believe, from 10:10 AM to 6:00 
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Wow, that's a full day right 
there listen folks, you you 

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heard the commercial right 
before you heard our voices here

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River City Wrestling con.com. 
You want to get your tickets in 

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advance. 
I'm telling you the walk up 

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business is going to be crazy. 
This is already pretty much sold

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So if you want to get your 
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sure you can see Devon Dudley, 
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the whole 9 yards there, then 
you definitely want to go to 

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River City Wrestling con.com, 
get your tickets. 

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It's going to be a hot day. 
It's going to be an exciting 

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It's going to be a fun time 

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there. 
So definitely folks, check it 

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out. 
You know, Devon, some some crazy

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But one of the things that is 
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crossed over, so to speak, is 
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Jaguars. 
One of their players was accused

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Shah Khan and his son Tony Khan 
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Elite Wrestling. 
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connection there. 
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back referred to the WWE as the 
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wrestling. 
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allegations that have turned 
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thoughts on the the cons here? 
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Jacksonville Jaguars, AEW 
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What are your thoughts on them 
having to deal with their own 

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rape scandal in one of their 
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Well, you know, I don't think it
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meant any ill harm verbally 
towards the WWE. 

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And like we've said before, not 
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the podcast, why are you 
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You know, forget the WWE. 
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Stop worrying about the WWE and 
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It's almost like he's trying to 
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rivalry again. 
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You don't have the star power 
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think. 
And you know, 'cause back in the

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day, you know, it was different.
You know, you had Flair, you had

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all of these guys that really, 
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pro wrestling and future legends
and Hall of Farmers way before 

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their time. 
You know, Tony doesn't have that

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roster. 
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Like, why would you even try to 
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beyond me. 
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careful of what you say about 
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the same thing that he accused 
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his football team is on the hot 
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And again, you know, we don't 
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The guy is allegedly saying that
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but he'll have his day in court 
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And you can't go around saying 
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wrestling world and WWE is the 
Harvey Weinstein or Weinstein. 

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Now, let me say his name. 
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what's going on in your 
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major football team, why would 
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route was beyond me. 
Again, worry about you and your 

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company and getting your company
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there as opposed to worrying 
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company is going through. 
Not to me. 

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The WWE is doing quite well 
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everywhere, whether it's live 
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And you know, I said this before
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I say this, but think about it, 
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WrestleMania sold out both 
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Over 80,000 people, correct? 
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And now you. 
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sad Saturday and Sunday, and 
then Monday Night Raw, they sell

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out again, you know, same area, 
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selling out back-to-back to 
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row in the same state, in the 
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I mean, even though Monday Night
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next door, but still that's 
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They did that. 
AW is not ready to do anything 

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like that yet. 
They can't sell out 80,000 

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back-to-back two nights in a row
and then go, do you know, 15 to 

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20,000 seat arena and they got 
rid of half of the stage so they

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can make room for more seats to 
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out. 
So until AEW can do that, I 

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think Tony Kahn shouldn't be 
saying anything. 

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Worry about your own company and
stop worrying about what the WWE

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is doing again. 
Now it's coming to bite him in 

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the behind for saying what he 
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So, you know, whether he looks 
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have a a sexual case against 
somebody in your homecourt. 

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Now what are you going to do 
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Well said. 
Well said. 

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It's just bizarre. 
I mean, sometimes I feel like 

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the left hand is not really 
communicating with the right 

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hand when it comes to that whole
business situation that they 

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have over there. 
Case in point, AEW world 

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champion Swerve Strickland. 
OK, this is a man who has been 

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AW champion for about what, six 
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now is more likely than ever 
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and WWE to work together. 
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you're calling WWE the Harvey 
Weinstein of pro wrestling, does

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it make sense to have your world
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that he would like to for your 
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We Does that even make sense? 
This is what that's what doesn't

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make sense and This is why 
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You know, all you die hard 
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with me, tell me to shut up, 
mind my business or what have 

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you. 
But This is why it's being 

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looked at as Tony being a big 
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Now he doesn't know when to keep
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enough alone. 
WWE is not saying anything or 

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taking shots at them. 
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You know, like he said or like 
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So here it is. 
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swerve actually saying it would 
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Tony can handle a guy like 
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I just really don't think so. 

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I don't see it happening just 
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three occasions that I've met 
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look, Tony's a nice guy. 
Don't get me wrong. 

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Everybody will say that about 
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He's a nice guy, he's good 
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But Tony doesn't know the 
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he does. 
He knows it from a fan's point 

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of view. 
He has no idea from a promoter 

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side, and that's what scares me 
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everybody, and I speak for a lot
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They want to see AEW prosper. 

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like that, it's. 
Not going to. 

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Happen, you know, it's just not 
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And I'm hope somebody's putting 
the muzzle on them and, you 

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know, keeping him quiet just 
because he doesn't need to poke 

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the bear, you know, you just 
don't need to do that. 

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Tony, you know, leave him alone.
You know, just leave it alone. 

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Michael Jackson made a song like
that. 

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Leave it alone. 
That's right. 

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That's right. 
Just stop dogging me around. 

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Of course, you know, great song.
Great. 

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So in fact, Marvin Gaye, Don't 
mess with Mr. TT stands for 

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Trouble, You know, leave that 
man alone. 

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You know, maybe because Tony 
feels he's got so much money 

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that, you know, he can go around
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know, but Ted Turner thought the
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he, I think Hogan said he had 
two TV's in his locker room, one

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with WCW program and the other 
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programming. 
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how things were going on in WWE 
and pretty much saw the tide 

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starting to turn. 
And he says, boys, you better be

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careful because Vince is coming 
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He has that fire back up in him 
to actually try to take over 

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this this war that's going on 
now. 

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So you better be careful because
Vince is coming now. 

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And sure enough, that's exactly 
what happened. 

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And you know, people have to 
understand too. 

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Don't sleep on Triple H Do not 
sleep. 

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Don't take his kindness for 
weakness. 

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You know, if Hunter has to be a 
shark, Hunter will be a shark if

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he has to. 
But for you to sit there and to 

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think that he's not going to do 
anything or say anything, you're

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a damn. 
Fool. 

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Well, well said. 
And and Speaking of which, I 

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mean, look, triple HI, got to 
tip my hat to you, brother. 

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You were able to not only were 
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you know, the TNA Knockouts 
champion, you're doing a 

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crossover with them. 
So there's a collaboration 

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there, which is cool. 
You had her on NXT and now she's

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going to be part of the upcoming
paper PLE, which is great. 

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Not only that though, you went 
out and you found one of the 

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biggest names in music today, 
Sexy Red. 

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She was a part of NXT last week.
She's going to be part of the 

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PLE. 
And you know, I want to get your

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thoughts on this Steve, on, you 
know, NXT traditionally is going

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to do like a point 21.22. 
And in the in the demo for their

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rating, they did a .42 in their 
demo with Sexy Red, who was 

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actually advertised. 
So to put it in perspective, I 

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mean, she's somebody who does 
over 20 million streams per 

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month of her music and her 
audience, you know, primarily 

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are young adults. 
So the fact that she was able to

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bring a significant portion of 
her own fan base to tune into 

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NXT, she was a difference maker 
there. 

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What are your thoughts on that, 
Devon? 

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Just about doing that type of 
collaboration with a big star 

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like Sexy Red. 
I think it's a genius idea. 

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You know, you have to understand
the rap world has always loved 

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pro wrestling. 
You have a lot of rappers that 

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basically, you know, mention, 
you know, a lot of wrestlers and

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their lyrics and things like 
that, and they go on record 

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saying they were wrestling fans.
I can't begin to tell you how 

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many of these new artists that 
I've met over the years and said

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how they used to watch the 
Attitude Era. 

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They loved the Attitude Era and 
this and that. 

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They love the Hogan and Andre 
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That was their shit back then. 
Oh my God, you don't know. 

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I was so hyped up. 
I was so good. 

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And when I saw you at you and 
Bubba and Edge and Christian and

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the Hardys do your thing with 
those TLC matches, oh man, you 

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know, you hear it all the time. 
So those wrestling fans in the 

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rap world that might have left 
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time, now it's coming back 
because of her and she's 

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bringing that fan base, which is
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And even those who don't even 
watch wrestling, I've never even

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seen wrestling, are now watching
it because they're watching her.

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And guess what? 
That's bringing in ratings. 

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I got to tell you, I I tipped my
hat and you're absolutely right.

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And keep in mind in October, NXT
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The CW Network. 
They draw traditionally a high 

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percentage of people of color 
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audience, and they're younger 
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So to start tapping into these 
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celebrities in general who can 
maintain that demographic for 

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you, it just makes sense. 
Well, you know. 

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I'm sorry, but I. 
Also think that, you know, Vince

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tapped into other cultures, the 
Latino culture, the Indian 

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culture, the Japanese culture, 
you know, in terms of bringing 

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stars that represent those race 
of people. 

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And, you know, it was always 
huge. 

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And we, I think African 
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that Vince didn't do enough for 
the black community in terms of 

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promoting Black Stars and things
like that. 

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Sure. 
The New Day got the rub. 

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Absolutely. 
You know, what do you say? 

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The New Day, The Rock, you know,
things like that. 

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Yeah, But the way they like, for
instance, Jinder Mahal, you 

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know, I remember the big push 
that he got, you know, leading 

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up to him winning the title and 
how big it was and how they were

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really trying to get that India 
market and they were really 

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trying to press forward with it 
it. 

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And even with Rey Mysterio, with
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they were just pushing so hard 
to get those those people coming

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in to watch it. 
And so when it came to African 

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Americans, a lot of black people
felt that Vince didn't do his 

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due diligence. 
He did. 

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He didn't do what he was 
supposed to do in terms of that.

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I also feel, you know, now with 
Triple H coming aboard, he's 

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doing that. 
He understands that he's 

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basically doing what he has to 
do to hit every kind of market 

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there is to hit, especially 
nationality wise. 

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My hats, my hat goes off to 
Triple H. 

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He knows what he's doing. 
And listen, you might as well 

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just sit back and enjoy the ride
because it's going to be a fun 

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one. 
Absolutely. 

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I mean, when you look at it, Bad
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you just look at those three key
figures right there and the 

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following that they have, it's 
tremendous. 

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They, they're bringing that to 
the so, so for any wrestlers out

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there, by the way, who say, 
well, why do you have to have 

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these folks from outside of 
wrestling come in and they're 

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taking a spot and this and that.
Let me tell you something. 

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Those folks have a following and
a loyal following that spends 

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money and watches programming 
and goes on social media and 

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generates money for them in that
way as well, watching videos and

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tweeting and talking and 
snapchatting and all that stuff.

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If you're not doing that, then 
you need to take a step back and

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understand, thank the stars for 
the house. 

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OK, you know what a Bad Bunny 
is? 

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One of the Is that literally the
biggest music icon today? 

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Thank you Bad Bunny for the 
house anytime you show up in the

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WWE. 
Absolutely. 

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And I think people got to 
understand that it's not about 

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taking the spots and. 
This and that in order for like 

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for instance, there are people 
with that young lady coming in 

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the NXT. 
Sexy red, yes. 

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Red I'm sorry, I I don't know 
the the art. 

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Of today, a lot of them. 
She she's out of your 

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demographic. 
Diva on mine too, but it's sexy 

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red. 
You know I'm Big Daddy Kane. 

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And on and run DMC, you know, 
Hey, don't make me. 

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I'll go even further. 
Curtis Blow. 

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Here we go. 
Here we go. 

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You know, but no. 
But you know, even, you know, 

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people that follow, you know, 
red, you know, basically who 

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don't watch wrestling. 
Now we're going to watch 

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wrestling because she's on the 
show and that might be something

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that, you know, sparks their 
attention and go, Oh my God, I 

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like this. 
Oh, this match is great. 

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And now I'm gonna start watching
every week because of her. 

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So it's definitely a cross 
promotion. 

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She might be helping out a 
little bit more for the WWE than

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on her side. 
But again, it's their, the 

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publicity, they're doing it and 
you know, it's getting out there

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and it's very positive right 
now. 

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Sure is sure is shout out. 
Hey, listen, I'll say it. 

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Thank you for the how sexy red 
the fact that you were able to 

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deliver all of that extra 
audience and they got to see 

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Trick Williams, they got to see 
Lola Vice, they got to see the 

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best and the brightest of NXT. 
Thank you sexy red for providing

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that. 
You just put a lot of money in a

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lot of folks pockets. 
That's good stuff there. 

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You know, I'm a big I'm a big 
fan of the storyline between. 

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Trick and Lashley, I love it. 
Oh, my God, Last, oh, last 

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legend. 
She, she first of all, you know,

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she is a a legend in the NCAA. 
She she has a bunch of different

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records and rebounding, what 
have you from Mississippi State.

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And she made it to the Final 
Four actually last legend there.

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So she she is a super athlete in
her own right. 

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Did you know that about her 
history there? 

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Yeah. 
We've talked. 

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Remember I was in NXT. 
That's right. 

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I talked. 
We, we, we talk somewhere. 

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I'm not gonna say a lot, but we 
did, you know, talk a little 

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bit. 
And I remember asking her, 

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'cause I had heard about her 
playing basketball and she went 

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into detail and told me some of 
the things she had done. 

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And I was, I was amazed because 
I didn't know that. 

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And, you know, it was like NXT 
never really put that out there,

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I don't think. 
And if they did, I might have 

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missed it at the time. 
But I, I, I didn't know it until

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I spoke to her. 
So, you know, again, everything 

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that they're doing, you know, 
they say wrestling is a male 

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soap opera show. 
And they got me hooked with that

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story. 
You know, all the things that's 

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going on between those two. 
And I'm like, I can't wait. 

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I'm intrigued to see what they 
do next with this story. 

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Well said. 
And listen, you know what? 

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Is that an example of black 
love? 

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OK, it has been. 
What's that? 

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I said I say that all the time. 
Black love at its best. 

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Black love at its best, and it's
something that, quite frankly, 

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we haven't seen a lot of through
the years in pro wrestling on 

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this scale. 
So the fact that they're even 

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writing a storyline like this is
just tremendous, and it's 

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wonderful to see it develop, 
right? 

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And you know, this is what I'm 
saying, they're touching base on

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stuff like that and they're 
hitting it. 

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So they're getting that 
demographic from the African 

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American community. 
But you know, is AEW doing that?

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And I don't see that there, You 
know, I don't see that there at 

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all. 
It's it's one of those things 

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where I think they better start 
stepping up before they all 

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starts taking notice and then 
calls power on it. 

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You know, Tony again, and I said
this last week, you know, he 

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needs the right people in the 
front of him to help him because

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right now it is just not 
working. 

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And I hope to God that the light
bulb comes on with somebody over

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there that can really help him 
get everything going because we 

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would hate to see AW Fold or 
anything like that. 

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Not saying that they would, but 
we would hate for them to really

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drop dramatically. 
I love the fact that they are a 

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number two company and I love 
the fact that they're really 

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trying to make strides to be the
best and I hope they really 

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succeed. 
But they got a clean house 

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first. 
Well, listen you you just coined

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a phrase right there. 
Drop dramatically. 

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And unfortunately, that's 
exactly what happened with one 

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of your former rivals, one of 
your best rivals in in your 

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entire career history, Adam 
Copeland, the man known as Edge.

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He was in a situation recently 
in AW where he was standing on 

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top of the steel cage. 
And I don't know what he was 

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trying to do. 
It wasn't a splash, it wasn't 

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anything like that, but he 
literally jumped from that cage 

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and dropped like a rock straight
down. 

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And unfortunately, he he broke 
some bones in his leg. 

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So he is going to be out for the
foreseeable future. 

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A couple of people weighed in on
this. 

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Booker T is waiting on this, 
saying he doesn't know why the 

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hell he even took that bump. 
Your brother Bubba, Bully Ray, 

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he he's waiting on this and 
said, brother, you don't have to

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do this. 
So I'm going to ask you, the 

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Hall of Famer, Devon Dudley, 
literally one of Adam Copeland's

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biggest rivals, greatest rivals.
We saw it on the WWE Rivals show

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on A&E. 
And for all you folks that have 

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on demand, definitely I 
encourage you to check that out.

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WWE rivals, that is the Dudley 
Boys versus Edge and Christian 

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versus the Hardy Boys. 
Definitely want to check that 

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out. 
But Devon, what do you think 

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about Adam Copeland taking a 
bump like that at at his age and

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just the fact that he got so 
banged up as a result of it? 

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Well, you know, when you get a 
certain age and you're still 

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wrestling in this business, it's
like you don't have, Especially 

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when you've been as successful 
in this business as Edge has 

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been. 
You can't really expect your 

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body to hold up for as long as 
it's been holding up. 

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00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,920
You know Edge has to realize. 
That those days are over, man. 

448
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,800
We can't just jump from the edge
like that and then expect 

449
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,920
nothing bad to happen. 
But here's the deal. 

450
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:40,280
Also, Edge realizes that and he 
went, he went to Twitter and he 

451
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,760
pretty much said that, you know,
his body was like, no, wait a 

452
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,560
minute, what are you doing? 
You know I'm going to put you 

453
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,520
on. 
Freeze mode right now so you can

454
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,720
understand, you know, that we 
can't do that anymore. 

455
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,640
You know, we're not those 2530 
year olds that, you know, was 

456
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,480
hanging from ladders and hitting
each other and doing that. 

457
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,280
Listen, yeah, it was almost like
when Sting did that dive on the 

458
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,920
thing. 
You know, he's a 60 year 

459
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,640
something year old man. 
He was diving, you know, out of 

460
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,600
the Raptors and it was just like
Sting wide. 

461
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,400
Don't do that. 
You don't need to. 

462
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,160
You are over more than enough to
have to do that. 

463
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,920
And that's where I feel about 
Edge. 

464
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,240
You know Edge don't need to do 
that. 

465
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,480
Anymore, you know, but I think 
Edge realizes that now, you 

466
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,600
know, And he said that in the 
video that he put out on 

467
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,960
Twitter. 
So, you know, I think Edge 

468
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,000
realizes it was a mistake. 
But listen, I've been with 

469
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,320
Edges, You know, when your body 
gets a certain way and then all 

470
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,320
of a sudden it starts to tell 
you, no, we can't do that 

471
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,800
anymore, then, you know, you 
kind of listen to it to a 

472
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,920
certain degree. 
And then, you know, the next 

473
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,600
time you're out there, you start
feeling good. 

474
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,040
You're like, yeah, I got this, I
got this. 

475
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,200
Hell, let me go up there and do 
it. 

476
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,600
And they do it because they feel
like they can. 

477
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:59,200
And it's only until the end of 
that move when you realize you 

478
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,160
fucked up, you know, And it's 
one of those things where, you 

479
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,720
know, I'm sure Edge realizes 
that now. 

480
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:11,520
I don't think we will see Edge 
do anything like that again, but

481
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,560
again, I hope a speedy recovery,
Edge, I hope that you're right 

482
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,120
back in the driver's seats where
you belong. 

483
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,080
And you know, again, kudos to 
you, man for even attempting to 

484
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,600
do that. 
But I'm sure it won't be done 

485
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,080
again like that 'cause like I 
said, I think you learned your 

486
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,680
lesson and now you know you 
don't have to do it. 

487
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,560
You don't have to do it that put
that on AT shirt. 

488
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,080
Seriously, you don't have to do 
it. 

489
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:45,960
The the experience that Adam 
Copeland has, the amazing mind 

490
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,200
that he has all the battles he's
been through throughout his 

491
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,840
wrestling career to take a risk 
like that. 

492
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,560
You're on top of a what, 15 foot
high steel cage and you're 

493
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,240
jumping off of it. 
Just come on, brother, we we 

494
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,240
don't want to see you do that 
and we hope you get well bested 

495
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,200
Adam Copeland and edge Beth 
Phoenix, the whole family there.

496
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,920
We hope you get well, brother. 
That's just that's heavy. 

497
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,320
Absolutely. 
Look on the What was it? 

498
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,400
The 1000 episode of TNAI Went up
to the second rope to do what's 

499
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,840
up? 
And when I landed, I went, oh, 

500
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,280
maybe I shouldn't have done 
that. 

501
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,600
Maybe it's me to do that. 
You know, I mean, that was the 

502
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,920
2nd rope that wasn't nearly 
where Edge was. 

503
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,880
But even that little bit, you 
know, I was like, Oh yeah, no, 

504
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,520
ain't going to do that no more 
that. 

505
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,640
But every once in a while, you 
know, me and Bubba will do a 

506
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,400
match. 
He'll be like, so we're going to

507
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,840
do the what's up tonight? 
I go, no, he goes, you can't do 

508
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,880
it at all. 
I go, Nope. 

509
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,080
I'm not even entertaining the 
idea of doing that anymore. 

510
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,280
Even if I'm the even from the 
second rope. 

511
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,400
Not even from the second rope. 
I wouldn't even do it from the 

512
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,200
first rope. 
Listen, I, I think the last 

513
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,080
time, at least one of the last 
times that you did the What's up

514
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,920
was here in Boston. 
It might have been 20/16/2017, 

515
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:08,400
your last WWE run at I think it 
was ATLC pay-per-view and you 

516
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,560
were in a, in a match, an 
extreme match, you Bubba. 

517
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Tommy Dreamer was in that match,
I believe, and might have been 

518
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,880
the Bludgeon Brothers. 
You know, God, God rest his 

519
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,200
soul, Brody, He might have been 
in that match with Eric. 

520
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,040
I remember you guys doing the 
What's Up. 

521
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,240
That might have been one of the 
last times you ever did that 

522
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,520
move man Wow. 
No, the last time we did it was 

523
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,640
on the 1000 episode. 
OK, OK, OK. 

524
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,240
So that was it. 
You never did it again. 

525
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,240
No, never did it again after 
that. 

526
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,760
Wow, wow. 
Well, there it is. 

527
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,880
You. 
Know, again, it's just one of 

528
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,960
those things where you really 
don't have to do stuff like that

529
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400
anymore. 
You know, you've done enough in 

530
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,400
your career where the people 
know we've got fond memories of 

531
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,440
it and you know, you enjoy it. 
Sometimes you just got to know 

532
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,400
when to fold them, you know, 
like that old know when to hold 

533
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,000
up, know when to walk away when 
it's done, you know, And I've 

534
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,440
learned quick. 
I've learned quick. 

535
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,840
So. 
Whoever thought they'd hear 

536
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,520
Devon Dudley quoting Kenny 
Rogers The Gambler? 

537
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,880
OK, here it is. 
I didn't know you were a country

538
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,360
music fan, man. 
Listen to this. 

539
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Yeah, I no, believe me, I'm not.
But you can't understand. 

540
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,680
He was big back in the 80s. 
You know everybody you know when

541
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,320
growing up in Brooklyn, NY, 
everybody knew who he was. 

542
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,760
You know he. 
Had some faint. 

543
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,680
He has some very famous songs 
along with the movies that he 

544
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,560
did that made the songs even 
more popular. 

545
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,080
So can he? 
He was. 

546
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,560
He was known in the projects. 
Don't think, don't sleep on it. 

547
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,080
He was known in the projects. 
Well, certainly didn't hurt that

548
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,160
Lionel Richie wrote. 
Lady, that Kenny performer. 

549
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,840
I think that might have been his
biggest hit. 

550
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,840
And my loved that song. 
Oh loved it played it over and 

551
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,720
over again until the damn tape 
ran out. 

552
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,400
It was she loved that song lady.
It was a very very good song. 

553
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,360
It actually just really put him 
in another atmosphere when he 

554
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,920
did that song. 
For you young bucks that don't 

555
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,240
know about the the song lady 
from Kenny go to YouTube check 

556
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,040
it out. 
Very love, great song. 

557
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,240
Great song and again, written by
Lionel Richie, Sir Lionel 

558
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Richie. 
He he literally is, I think he's

559
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,960
knighted officially by the King 
of England, you know, in the in 

560
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,800
the face of his his charitable 
organization. 

561
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,320
So Lionel wrote that song for 
Kenny Rogers specifically. 

562
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Kenny took it as his biggest 
hit. 

563
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,840
Beautiful, beautiful. 
Listen. 

564
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,680
They don't write music like that
anymore, Devon, Where where you 

565
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,800
you actually can love on 
somebody, you know? 

566
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,480
Listen, they don't write songs 
period, like they used to do 

567
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,120
back in the day. 
And you know, when I listen to 

568
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,800
like everything is sex, you 
know, it's either sex, money or 

569
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,560
whatever it, it's not the same. 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not 

570
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,800
saying our generation didn't do 
that 'cause we probably started 

571
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,320
this generation into doing that 
because of what we did, but we 

572
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,480
also knew how to have fun with 
our music. 

573
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,400
You know, it wasn't so much. 
Pressure like it is now. 

574
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,840
I don't know, I just, there are 
some songs of today that I can 

575
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,080
get just a lot that I just 
cannot. 

576
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,360
I'm stuck in the 80s, I'm stuck 
in the 90s. 

577
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,840
I'm stuck in the early 
Millennium, say from 2000 to 

578
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,200
2007. 
I'm stuck in that air. 

579
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,680
And you know, I'm OK with that. 
I'm OK with. 

580
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,720
That, at least, it was the best.
Yeah, and not to mention, like 

581
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,640
when I'm in my car and I listen 
to satellite radio, I'm either 

582
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,520
listening to Joel Osteen, which 
I'm not afraid to say that I 

583
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,840
love. 
I love listening to his 

584
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,920
messages. 
I listen to, you know, Dave Le 

585
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,880
Greca and Bubba, Tommy Dreamer 
and Mark Henry on Busted Open 

586
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,360
Radio. 
But music wise, the groove on. 

587
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,520
So I love the old school. 
I love the I love the old school

588
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,280
music from back then because to 
me that was when I was growing 

589
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,320
up, that was when music was at 
its best. 

590
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,239
Man, did you? 
Were you somebody that used to 

591
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,880
watch a video Soul on on BET? 
Absolutely. 

592
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Oh my God. 
Donnie Simpson, brother. 

593
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,840
Yes, I was there watching it and
loved every minute of it and 

594
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,360
then never knew that one day it 
would all end it. 

595
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,880
Will. 
Be over. 

596
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,719
You always thought it would 
always be there. 

597
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,800
You just never saw the ending of
it. 

598
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,480
And you know, it's unfortunate 
now because when I look back how

599
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,440
I felt, I took advantage of that
time. 

600
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,840
In other words, I didn't really 
appreciate it because you always

601
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,840
thought it was going to be 
there. 

602
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,840
But again, you never know about 
things like that. 

603
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,560
Who would ever thought it would 
disappear? 

604
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:54,920
I was just on Instagram and saw 
all of these restaurants, these 

605
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,200
well known restaurants that a 
lot of them are going to be 

606
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,800
shutting down to the point where
they're going to be non existent

607
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,560
anymore. 
You know, Red Lobster was one, 

608
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,240
Pizza Hut was one. 
They're getting rid of a lot of 

609
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:11,120
their locations, Subway, a lot 
of the major, major restaurants 

610
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,840
that we know, the franchise, 
they were actually getting rid 

611
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,680
of some of them and to the point
where eventually they'll just be

612
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,160
gone. 
Well, listen, once, once they 

613
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,960
got rid of Filene's basement and
Woolworths and things like that.

614
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,040
When I was a kid, man, I knew 
that it was over. 

615
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,360
Yeah, and I remember Woolworth. 
I remember that very well. 

616
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,080
I haven't gotten over that, man.
Certain things you just, it's, 

617
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,920
it's like certain sounds, 
certain flavours, certain 

618
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,120
atmospheres. 
You'll never experience that 

619
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,640
again. 
It's such a trip, man. 

620
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,640
Like I'll never experience that 
again. 

621
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:53,280
I tell my I tell my kids, I tell
a lot of the kids at the 

622
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,240
wrestling school. 
DDAI say you guys have no idea 

623
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,200
the time you missed the 80s and 
the 90s. 

624
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,920
You know, you have no idea. 
I'm not, I'm not hating on this 

625
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,480
new generation, but I'm like, 
you have no idea the fun, the 

626
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,000
way how music was done, how just
everything was invented. 

627
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,840
You know how we went from the 
1930s and 40s, fifties and 60s 

628
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,680
and 70s to the 1980s, just 
creating, you know, the 

629
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:26,560
Internet, all of that stuff, 
just new, you know, video games,

630
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,720
just everything, everything was 
invented in the 80s and the 90s 

631
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,400
that we use today that we would 
have never thought in a million 

632
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,120
years, you know, that we would 
ever do without. 

633
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:39,400
Or I don't know. 
It's just, it was just an 

634
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,400
amazing time. 
Well, think about this. 

635
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:53,480
We had a period in life where 
Michael Jackson, Prince, Super 

636
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Mario Brothers, Arnold 
Schwarzenegger, all of this Hulk

637
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,840
Hogan, all of this was happening
all at the same time. 

638
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:03,880
Yeah, let's not forget Whitney 
Houston. 

639
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,880
Whitney Houston. 
Oh, listen, I remember because 

640
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,560
my father had it. 
I remember he had the record, 

641
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,720
her first album, and she had 
that short, like really, really 

642
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:17,640
short slicked back hairdo. 
And she looks so beautiful in 

643
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,880
that album cover. 
She looked like a damn Angel, 

644
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,520
brother. 
Oh my God. 

645
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,920
Oh. 
I I remember, and I remember 

646
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,280
when she first came out, I was a
little upset at Whitney because 

647
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,440
I had saw the video for the 
first time, the greatest love of

648
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,600
all. 
And I was like, wait a minute, 

649
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,960
that's not her. 
She don't sing that. 

650
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,320
That's George Benson, you know, 
and I was just like, wait a 

651
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,120
minute, you know, why is she 
covering George Benson's song? 

652
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,280
That and, and she's getting the 
credit for it. 

653
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,640
But I was young. 
I didn't know any better, you 

654
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,280
know, So I mean, again, it was 
just a beautiful time back then.

655
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,360
And you know, like you said, all
those stars that you you just 

656
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,880
mentioned, I mean, it was just, 
it'll never be like that again, 

657
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,960
unfortunately. 
Man, you messing me up now, 

658
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Devon 1996 Harbor Lights. 
I saw George Benson and Kenny G 

659
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,520
talk about a back-to-back 
lineup. 

660
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,000
George Benson and Kenny G 
perform at the same concert 

661
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,160
there. 
And in fact, George Benson, 

662
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,280
everybody was yelling out 
Broadway. 

663
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,400
Broadway. 
When he did Broadway, he brought

664
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,000
the damn house down. 
Oh, yeah. 

665
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,880
And you know, a lot of these, 
this new generation can't even 

666
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,400
fathom music like that. 
You know, I was playing. 

667
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,320
There was a there was a Cardi B 
song playing at the school. 

668
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:44,760
And one of the students looked 
at my son and said, your father 

669
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,120
knows that song. 
And he went, yeah. 

670
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,800
And he was like, and I started 
singing some of the lyrics. 

671
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,680
And she goes, oh, my God. 
And he's singing the lyrics. 

672
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,200
I looked at that person. 
I said, listen, understand one 

673
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,840
thing before there was Cardi B, 
there was MC Light, there was 

674
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,200
there was money, love, you know,
there was the real Roxanne. 

675
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,240
You know, there was all of these
other females that blew them out

676
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:11,200
the way out of the water. 
But yet they got their start. 

677
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,440
People like Cardi B and them 
from listening to artists like 

678
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,360
that from back in the day. 
So don't look at me as being 

679
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,400
old. 
I remember people that you would

680
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,480
never even have thought of. 
So I was like, you know, I might

681
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,720
be a little older, but don't 
sleep on me now. 

682
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:29,600
Don't sleep on experience baby. 
That's. 

683
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,240
Right, like some of those 
comedians. 

684
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,680
Go watch out young fella. 
That's. 

685
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Right. 
But I will say this. 

686
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,240
Because I keep trying to bring 
it up and I keep forgetting my 

687
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,280
memory goes blank. 
Too many head shots. 

688
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,560
I I was on the plane coming home
today and I happened to look at 

689
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,520
the documentary. 
The documentary on Netflix, The 

690
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,800
making of We Are the World. 
Oh yes, love it, love it. 

691
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,000
It was a fantastic watch. 
If you have not seen it, I 

692
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,920
suggest you go on Netflix and 
take a look at it. 

693
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,000
Especially our generation. 
I don't know if the new 

694
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,400
generation will understand like.
Our generation will because we 

695
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,880
lived it. 
We were there. 

696
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,720
You know how important that song
really was. 

697
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:24,600
And then think about it after 
the after the American of Music 

698
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:32,280
Awards, all of those stars that 
were in that song left the Music

699
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,240
Awards and went straight to the 
studio at like midnight started 

700
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:37,320
and didn't get out of. 
There till like. 

701
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,960
Four, 5:00 in the morning. 
And these were big main people 

702
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,200
with the egos and stuff like 
that, you know, So who would 

703
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,640
have ever thought that Quincy 
Jones, Michael Jackson, Lionel 

704
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,440
Richie would have gotten all of 
these huge stars during that era

705
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,880
to come and to do that? 
And I almost forgot because I 

706
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,640
remember this very well. 
But then I but I had forgotten 

707
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:04,320
because it had been so long that
at 7:50 AM the world. 

708
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,760
All around the world played that
song at the same time. 

709
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,720
In other words, when 750 hit, 
everybody around the world 

710
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,440
played that song, got together 
and started singing it in unity 

711
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,360
across the world. 
It was like, that's how big that

712
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:27,480
song was and how it helped raise
over $80 million for the 

713
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,960
starving people in Ethiopia. 
It was an amazing time. 

714
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Back then, we could just do a 
podcast of talking about the 80s

715
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,720
and 90s and I guarantee we'd be 
as big as any other podcast out 

716
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:40,840
there because you have a lot of 
people reminiscing about what we

717
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,560
talked about. 
It was just truly a great time. 

718
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,560
When Netflix does things like 
that, I'm instantly glued 

719
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,240
because I missed the time 
growing up. 

720
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:51,960
I missed the 80s, I missed the 
90s. 

721
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,960
It was such a great time and you
don't have to worry about 

722
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,560
nonsense. 
There wasn't disrespect, 

723
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,560
respectful people to the point 
where how a lot of people are 

724
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,480
now. 
It was a different world, a 

725
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,360
different time back then. 
You know, it's funny that you 

726
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,440
say that because everything that
you just said to, to wrap up 

727
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:17,160
your comment was embodied in 
Diana Ross in that documentary. 

728
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,120
If you remember correctly, she 
was she, she literally started 

729
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,880
break me down crying. 
Yeah, right. 

730
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Because of all the stars that 
were there under one roof for 

731
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,840
the occasion. 
And she didn't want it to end. 

732
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,360
Like literally this is one of 
the greatest moments of her 

733
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,320
life, to be around everybody in 
one place, collaborating and 

734
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,000
just enjoying each other's 
company. 

735
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,160
Right up in Hella Belafonte. 
I didn't realize. 

736
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,600
I mean, I knew the history of 
him, but how important he really

737
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,200
was to the African American 
community. 

738
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:53,120
And I don't think our generation
gave him enough credit for the 

739
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,800
things that he has done for 
civil rights movements and all 

740
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,000
of that. 
And he was so instrumental also 

741
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,240
in that song and doing what he 
did. 

742
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:09,000
And for everybody from that was 
in that room that night to start

743
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,680
singing his song. 
I mean, you know, people say I 

744
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,080
ain't singing that song. 
I got my own hit music, but they

745
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,840
were singing song to pay tribute
to him at that particular time 

746
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,960
when everybody's tired, hungry, 
want to go home, just got off a 

747
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,200
tour. 
What am I doing here? 

748
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,880
They were all giving tribute to 
Harry Belafonte. 

749
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,760
And it just showed me how 
important people that, you know,

750
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,400
people like him were back then 
and how, you know, inspiring he 

751
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,440
became as an artist and as a 
person. 

752
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,160
Very, very well said, very well 
said. 

753
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,400
They were singing Dao Dao. 
That's right. 

754
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,720
I, I wonder about something, 
Devon, because you bring this up

755
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:50,040
and now you're, you're, you're 
making me have some recall here.

756
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,640
There was a scene in that 
Netflix documentary, We are the 

757
00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,960
World in which Bob Dylan, who at
that point is a legend. 

758
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,880
He, he's cemented, he, he is 
certified. 

759
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,600
There's no question Bob Dylan is
a legend already, right? 

760
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,520
One of the greatest folk 
singers, songwriters, whatever, 

761
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,920
everyone covering his music, 
there was a scene where he just 

762
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:22,360
wasn't getting the melody and he
needed a lot of assistance in 

763
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,920
doing his part. 
And Stevie Wonder, who was very,

764
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,560
very, despite the fact that he 
was blind, he was very good at 

765
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,440
mimicking everybody. 
So he helped Bob Dylan 

766
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,480
understand the melody and then 
Lionel Richie and and Quincy 

767
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,880
Jones and and a few other folks,
Al Jarreau, what have you. 

768
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,760
They, they assisted Bob Dylan, 
Bruce Springsteen and want to 

769
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,280
make sure I give the boss credit
as well. 

770
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,960
They assisted Dylan in feeling 
comfortable and secure enough to

771
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,760
be able to deliver on his part 
in that song. 

772
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,280
What we saw in that moment 
though, Devon was one of the 

773
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:04,000
biggest stars in the history of 
music, having a very insecure 

774
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:10,440
moment and needing support and 
his peers being there to help 

775
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,960
him and guide him into a safe 
space. 

776
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,360
Well, and the thing about it was
when you're watching the 

777
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,840
documentary, you see the 
uncomfortableness in his face. 

778
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,920
It was almost like, I don't 
belong here. 

779
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:25,600
I don't belong here because. 
He Can't Sing like the rest of 

780
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,760
these folks. 
Right. 

781
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,960
He, like you said, he was a 
focusing and that's totally 

782
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,400
different range of singing. 
And you know, like again, you 

783
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,760
got Cyndi Lauper, Kenny Loggin, 
the guy from Air Supply, Britt, 

784
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,720
Bruce Springsteen, Ray Charles, 
you know, Michael Jackson, I 

785
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:47,720
mean, unbelievable, you know, 
the stars. 

786
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,520
And I again, I hope nobody gets 
offended because I'm leaving out

787
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,680
some people, but it was just an 
amazing time. 

788
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,200
And I wonder because I don't 
know if the question was ever 

789
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,240
asked, You know, Prince 
basically was asked to be there 

790
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:06,800
and they, you know, they got in 
touch with Sheila E to basically

791
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,440
get in touch with Prince because
Prince and Sheila E were very, 

792
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,440
very tight. 
And, you know, they were like, 

793
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,560
can you get him to come down? 
And she's like, I don't know, 

794
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,680
I'll try. 
And she called him. 

795
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,160
And, you know, he just wasn't 
having it. 

796
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,400
He was, he didn't come down. 
And I wonder, you know, I wonder

797
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,840
if he ever regretted not coming 
down there. 

798
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,560
No one ever knew that this song 
was going to be as big as it 

799
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,640
was. 
You know, no one ever knew that 

800
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,400
it won album of the year, record
of the year. 

801
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,040
It won all of that the next year
at the at the Grammy Award. 

802
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,160
So nobody knew how big this song
was going to be. 

803
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,800
And again, everybody took time 
out of their schedule to go do 

804
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,960
this. 
And you know what the great part

805
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,480
about it was all these egos in 
that one room did it all for 

806
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,160
free. 
Great point. 

807
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,920
No one point they knew what the 
course was and they went out 

808
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,160
there and they did it. 
And it almost made me tear up 

809
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,320
when I was watching it because 
I'm like, man, think about this.

810
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,840
They all got together. 
They didn't have to be there. 

811
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,160
They could have made excuses in 
their busy lives, especially 

812
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,920
after the Music Awards. 
Why? 

813
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,560
Why do we have to go there? 
We have our own field, you know,

814
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,920
stuff to deal with. 
But they put their egos at the 

815
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,680
door. 
Quincy Jones wrote something 

816
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,720
down a piece of paper. 
So when they first walked in, 

817
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:30,880
they looked at it, it said leave
your egos at the door. 

818
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,720
And that's exactly what they 
did. 

819
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:37,320
They left it at the door. 
They created history that will 

820
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,920
never be forgotten. 
And now this documentary, I 

821
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,040
think is going to do extremely 
well on Netflix. 

822
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,600
And I'm so happy that the powers
that be did what they did with 

823
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,360
this 'cause it was truly a great
watch. 

824
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,040
Shout out to Netflix once again 
the we are the world Netflix 

825
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,760
documentary absolutely worth 
checking out folks. 

826
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,120
I checked it out Devon checked 
it out. 

827
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,680
We want you to check it out as 
well. 

828
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,880
And don't forget Monday Night 
Raw is moving over to Netflix 

829
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:11,760
starting in 2025 S how fitting 
Netflix delivering on all this 

830
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,320
top notch content. 
The fact that they're doing 

831
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,680
something like the We are the 
World documentary and they 

832
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,440
thought enough of a pro 
wrestling to actually buy the 

833
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,040
rights of Monday Night Raw. 
So it's pretty awesome to just 

834
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,240
think about that Netflix is 
going to be part of the family. 

835
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,400
So shout out to Netflix. 
Thank you for all the great work

836
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,280
that you do and we can't wait to
see what happens next for sure. 

837
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Absolutely. 
It's, it's interesting, Devon, 

838
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,080
that we go down this road of 
nostalgia and, and think about 

839
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,880
life because at the end of the 
day, that's what we're talking 

840
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,160
about. 
We're talking about life. 

841
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,680
And you and I had a conversation
couple weeks back and I, I 

842
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,560
talked to you offline about this
before we started recording 

843
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,400
today and asked you if it was OK
if we brought it up on air 

844
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:05,000
because you had a situation 
where you had a tremendous 

845
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,640
health event in your own right. 
And quite frankly, Devon, we 

846
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:16,280
almost lost you. 
Yeah, yeah, we, I had a stroke 

847
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:24,720
November 13th of 2020. 
And I was always embarrassed to 

848
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,520
talk about this because, you 
know, I'm Devon Dudley. 

849
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,960
I'm supposed to be strong, fit. 
I'm too young to have a stroke. 

850
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,520
I'm nobody should ever look at 
me in that light, you know? 

851
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,360
And over the years since the 
stroke, I realized that that's 

852
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,960
not the case. 
You know, everybody, nobody's 

853
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,080
is, is Superman, you know, 
everybody's human and they're 

854
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,920
going to go through their stuff.
So I finally accepted it. 

855
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,400
And I was like, you know what? 
Don't be afraid to talk about it

856
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,960
because talking about it, you 
could help somebody, you know, I

857
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,360
didn't like talking about it 
because the dirt sheets made it 

858
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,480
seem like I was dead. 
I was dying, you know? 

859
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:09,240
And but I was, you know, and I 
got angry for them putting it 

860
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:15,280
out there 'cause I didn't go 
into great detail about it back 

861
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,720
then, but I just thought they 
took it just a little too far 

862
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,640
when they put the news out 
there. 

863
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,120
But yeah, I my blood pressure 
for a long time, I couldn't get 

864
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,680
down. 
I was very stressed, you know, 

865
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,320
when I was a producer for the 
Vince regime, 'cause it was a 

866
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,480
very, very stressful time for me
during then. 

867
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,320
You know how, Vince? 
Ruled things and did what he did

868
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,200
but. 
It, it caused my blood pressure 

869
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,480
to just constantly, constantly 
stay up. 

870
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,040
Couldn't get it down to save my 
life. 

871
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,320
And I started getting signs of 
it. 

872
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,560
You know, I was getting dizzy 
certain, you know, points of the

873
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,600
day. 
I would, you know, I would walk 

874
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,200
down the hall and basically 
start feeling dizzy. 

875
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,640
Had to grab the wall a couple of
times and it was the stroke 

876
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,560
starting the form but I didn't 
know that. 

877
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,640
And finally I went down to 
Hollywood, CA with Alexa Bliss 

878
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,240
and Charlotte Flair. 
WWE asked me to go down there 

879
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:25,600
with them to help produce their 
scene with NBC for the new Punky

880
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,240
Brewster show and I said yeah 
not a problem. 

881
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:38,520
I remember saying goodnight to 
both Charlotte and Alexa because

882
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,040
we have to go get COVID tested. 
And it was like the minute you 

883
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,800
got off the plane, you got to go
get COVID tested. 

884
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,360
Then you go and do something, 
you got to get COVID tested 

885
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,160
again. 
I mean, it was crazy during that

886
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,760
time how many times we got COVID
tested just to go across the 

887
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,640
street, it seemed like. 
And so we said goodnight to each

888
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,800
other. 
I went upstairs, I called my 

889
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,600
wife, I ordered some Panda 
Express. 

890
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,960
And I remember after I was 
finished, I told my wife. 

891
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,160
I said OK, I got to get up in 
the morning. 

892
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:10,800
I got to meet Alexa and 
Charlotte downstairs at 8:30 in 

893
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,720
the morning, so I'm going to go 
to bed. 

894
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,040
So, you know, it's a long day 
for me. 

895
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,440
I'm really excited because it's 
the first time that WWE trust me

896
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:26,360
to go out there and to, you 
know, look over Charlotte and 

897
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,400
Alexa, who were two, you know, 
the biggest stars at that time, 

898
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,360
woman wise. 
And I'm going to produce this 

899
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,880
segment on an NB Sheets NBC show
that's about to be rebooted. 

900
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:43,200
Punky Brewster. 
And I remember saying goodbye to

901
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,320
my wife, going to the bathroom, 
leaving the bathroom. 

902
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,720
Now, usually in my hotel room, I
locked the door and I put the 

903
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,960
latch on there. 
I've done that since day one. 

904
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,120
But as I'm walking out of the 
bathroom, something kept yelling

905
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,440
at me. 
Take the latch off the door. 

906
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,480
Don't lock the door. 
And it kept volume because I was

907
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,760
like, I was going to ignore it 
because I was like, no, I always

908
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,000
lock the door. 
Don't, don't stop. 

909
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,200
And as I'm getting close to the 
bed, something said, take the 

910
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:19,080
latch off the damn door. 
And I'm just like, somebody was 

911
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,960
talking to me. 
I'm just like, what the hell 

912
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,520
sounds like F it's going to it's
going to mess with me. 

913
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,640
So I might just take it off. 
So I took it off. 

914
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:33,160
I got up my recollection. 
I got up at around 4:00 that 

915
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:39,480
morning to go to the bathroom 
and I went to go step out of the

916
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,840
bed and I couldn't feel my legs 
but I thought it was one of 

917
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:49,480
those things where you basically
laying in the bed and sleeping 

918
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,600
your legs fall asleep on you. 
So I got up to walk to the 

919
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,480
bathroom and fell completely 
face first on the ground and I 

920
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,800
was like what the hell is going 
on? 

921
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,080
And I tried to get up, could not
get up for the life of me didn't

922
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,520
know what was going on. 
So I had the army crawl to the 

923
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,320
bathroom. 
I army crawled to the bathroom. 

924
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:11,640
I had to, I mean with every 
possible strength I had to push 

925
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,920
myself up on the toilet to get 
up on as I can go to the 

926
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,960
bathroom and the phone rings, my
cell phone rings and I'm not 

927
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,240
answering it. 
I'm sitting up there telling 

928
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:23,000
myself get up, get up, let's go,
let's go. 

929
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,360
I couldn't get up. 
And finally there was a phone by

930
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:34,840
the toilet in the bathroom. 
And so the phone rings and the 

931
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,400
front desk goes on. 
Mr. Hughes, your wife has been 

932
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,160
trying to call you. 
Please. 

933
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,920
She wanted to make sure that you
were OK because I had given her 

934
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:50,160
all my information also earlier 
that that the day before for 

935
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,960
some reason. 
And I, I couldn't understand for

936
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,240
me why. 
And I remember giving her, you 

937
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:58,640
know, them saying that. 
And I said, tell my wife I will 

938
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,280
call her back. 
You know, I'm being stubborn at 

939
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,560
this point. 
I'm like, tell my wife to leave 

940
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,360
me. 
You know, I'm fine, don't worry 

941
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,720
about it. 
Relax. 

942
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,480
I will answer the phone. 
I'm just, I'm in the bathroom 

943
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,760
right now and I'll call her 
back. 

944
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,720
And I remember hanging up the 
phone on a guy 'cause I was, I 

945
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:20,640
was, I was pissed. 
And I hung up the phone and she 

946
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,840
calls the cell phone again. 
I don't answer, I don't answer. 

947
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,000
Finally I was like, you better 
do something. 

948
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,120
So I wanted to go try to get up,
to get up the toilet, and again 

949
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,400
I could not feel my legs. 
So I kind of put myself down on 

950
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,440
the ground. 
So the army crawling back to the

951
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,520
bed and the phone just kept 
ringing, ringing, ringing. 

952
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,640
And then it stopped. 
Then I finally got myself up on 

953
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,440
the bed. 
The phone rings again. 

954
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,920
My wife is constantly calling. 
It rings again. 

955
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,320
And I realized that I must have 
rolled over and kicked the phone

956
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,360
off the bed 'cause now it's on 
the other side of the bed on the

957
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,360
floor. 
I was like, you got to be 

958
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,600
kidding me. 
So I reached down, you know, 

959
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,080
trying to get it and it took a 
little bit for me to get it, but

960
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,560
I reached down actually and got 
it, picked it up and I answered 

961
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:05,560
it. 
I was like, hey, I was like, 

962
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,720
didn't I was going to call you 
back. 

963
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,520
She's like, what's going on? 
What is wrong with you? 

964
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,680
How come you got to answer the 
phone? 

965
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,320
And I told her what was going 
on. 

966
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:16,280
My wife's an RN, she's a 
registered nurse, so she knows 

967
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,960
you know things when when I tell
her what's going on with me. 

968
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,800
So when I told her what was 
happening, she goes, sweetheart,

969
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,000
you're having a stroke. 
She's like, we don't we we got 

970
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,120
to get you to the hospital. 
I said, I'm not having a stroke.

971
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,680
I'm not going to no hospital. 
I'm fine. 

972
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:36,000
I have to meet Alexa Bliss and 
Charlotte Flair downstairs so we

973
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,760
can do this, this scene, you 
know? 

974
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,160
For for the. 
Punky Brewster reboot show. 

975
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,800
Babe, you're having a stroke, 
I'm telling you. 

976
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,920
So I got mad and hung up the 
phone on my wife and 'cause it 

977
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,800
was like, how dare you tell me 
I'm having a stroke? 

978
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,160
I mean, this is how stubborn I 
was, you know, And I don't know 

979
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,720
what was going on in my head and
why I was reacting like that, 

980
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,360
but I was very angry. 
And it was like, I don't know. 

981
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,760
And as to this day I still don't
know why I acted that way and. 

982
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,120
She. 
Called downstairs and told the 

983
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,880
friend that she said, listen, my
husband is being stubborn, He's 

984
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,600
having a stroke. 
Somebody needs to get upstairs 

985
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,720
now and get him. 
And they were kind of like, 

986
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,480
brushing her off. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

987
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,440
And that's when she said, 
listen, if someone doesn't go 

988
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,040
upstairs right now, I will sue 
not only this hotel, but I will 

989
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,840
sue everything around it. 
I'm warning you, if my husband 

990
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,720
dies, this, this, this hotel's 
unreliable for it. 

991
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,760
So they said, OK, fine, We'll 
send somebody like a Wellness 

992
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,960
check form. 
So they came upstairs, knocked 

993
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,480
on the door. 
They said, Mr. Hughes, I was 

994
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,440
like, what do you want? 
I'm still acting stubborn. 

995
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,480
And they said, your wife called.
I said, damn it. 

996
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,520
I said, would you tell her to 
stop calling? 

997
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,520
It was like, yeah, well, they 
want us. 

998
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,720
She want us to check 'cause she 
thinks you're having a stroke. 

999
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,240
I said I'm fine. 
They were like, well, can you 

1000
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,000
open the door so we can see you,
please? 

1001
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,960
And that's when I had to check 
my my ego and pride at the door.

1002
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,400
And I said I can't. 
I said, you guys don't have to 

1003
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,480
come inside. 
I said I can't feel my legs. 

1004
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,640
They came inside. 
They will. 

1005
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,520
They said we got to call 911. 
They called 911. 

1006
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,520
The ambulance came. 
They put me on a gun and all 

1007
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,720
that. 
They said, Mr. Hughes, you're 

1008
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,160
having a stroke. 
And I looked at them like they 

1009
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,040
were crazy. 
I was like, I'm too young to 

1010
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,920
have a stroke, 45 years old. 
There's no way. 

1011
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,200
They're like, no, Mr. Hughes, 
you're having a stroke. 

1012
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,760
We got to the hospital. 
They told me that if my wife did

1013
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,760
not call when she did and do 
what she did, that I would be in

1014
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,480
a wheelchair permanently while 
I'd be in a nursing home or 

1015
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,800
dead. 
And you know, to this day when 

1016
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,160
people question, you know, why 
does Devon always put his wife 

1017
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,840
on social media, you know, his 
love for her and this and that. 

1018
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,680
God, we're getting tired of it. 
Because I say because if it 

1019
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,600
wasn't for her, I would not have
been here. 

1020
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,080
If she wasn't so adamant in 
making sure that I answered that

1021
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,160
phone and spoke to her, I 
wouldn't be here today. 

1022
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,040
And so I'm very grateful for 
everything that she does. 

1023
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,200
Even when I get, even when we 
get into our little fights and 

1024
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,640
arguments and you know, I get 
pissed and what have you, you 

1025
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,080
know, I always think back to me 
being in California and almost 

1026
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,920
dying and not being here. 
I would not, I would have never 

1027
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,760
met you. 
We would never be doing this. 

1028
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,560
And I would never, I would have 
only had two kids that my, my 2 

1029
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,560
girls, my, my second son would 
not my fifth son would not have 

1030
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,720
been born today if that would, 
that would have happened if I 

1031
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,120
would have died. 
So I'm very grateful to my wife.

1032
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,640
I'm very grateful to the 
hospital and the young nurse 

1033
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,080
that took care of me during that
time. 

1034
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,640
I'm also very grateful for 
Stephanie McMahon, who I was 

1035
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,840
pissed to at the time because 
Stephanie called me and I was so

1036
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,360
grateful about it. 
You know, I was very, very 

1037
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,240
grateful about it. 
And you know, she left me two 

1038
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,960
messages because I didn't answer
the 1st 2:00 because I was out 

1039
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,480
of it. 
They had to run a stint through 

1040
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:10,640
the grind to the left side of 
the brain to break up the 

1041
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,480
stroke. 
And so I kept constantly missing

1042
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,200
her calls. 
And, you know, she was just 

1043
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,560
giving me such encouragement and
things like that. 

1044
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,440
So when I was going on my 
podcast and thanking her, I made

1045
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,000
the mistake and said I was 
infatuated with her as opposed 

1046
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,520
to I forgot the word I was going
to use. 

1047
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,880
Infatuated. 
I was grateful or what have you.

1048
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,800
Like I, I, I really liked her a 
lot, but liked her in a 

1049
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,880
respectful way. 
And of course the media, you 

1050
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,320
know, dirt, she's all Devon's in
love with Stephanie. 

1051
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,200
I'm like, no, man, I'm not in 
love with Stephanie like that. 

1052
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,120
I'm disinfatuated. 
I was, I was like I was saying I

1053
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,480
was infatuated with her as a 
person, how she handles herself,

1054
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,320
how legit she is and how smooth 
she is. 

1055
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,400
I was like, you know, she is 
probably one of the most nicest 

1056
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,960
people in the position that she 
was in that I had ever met. 

1057
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,160
And I was honored that I could 
call her my friend. 

1058
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,160
And for her to talk to my wife 
and to to leave those voice 

1059
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,680
messages on my cell phone to 
give me the encouragement to 

1060
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,280
fight through what I was going 
through. 

1061
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,000
It was truly amazing. 
And that's why I'm very grateful

1062
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,280
for people like Stephanie 
McMahon and Triple H. 

1063
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,840
And I will always be that way 
because of how they were during 

1064
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,520
the time of the stroke. 
And of course, my beautiful 

1065
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,560
wife, Taylor. 
So, so let me start with 

1066
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,120
Stephanie McMahon. 
Shout out to to Stephanie and, 

1067
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,960
and Triple H and I, I agree. 
I mean, I, I understood when you

1068
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,760
originally made that statement, 
the point that you were making, 

1069
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:52,800
to be treated with such humanity
and care and respect and to be 

1070
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,360
treated like a human being, not 
just a, a number, not just So 

1071
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,280
what, what can you do for our 
company, but legitimately to be 

1072
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,440
treated like a human being, like
a friend, like somebody who 

1073
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,040
matters. 
Stephanie McMahon knocked it out

1074
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,440
of the park, man. 
And it was genuine. 

1075
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,640
To this day I still have those 
voice messages. 

1076
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,880
I never got rid of them. 
That's a big deal. 

1077
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,040
So, so absolutely the utmost 
respect and appreciation of 

1078
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:23,760
Stephanie and Triple H for just 
showing the the compassion and 

1079
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,320
again, the humanity that you 
show D Von and his family during

1080
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,640
one of the probably the most 
challenging time ever for these 

1081
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,800
folks. 
And if I'm not mistaken, I got 

1082
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,240
to remember my wife. 
But I believe some flowers were 

1083
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:41,440
sent too, like that's the house.
So, you know, again, you know, 

1084
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,480
I'm a, that This is why I said 
on another interview, I'm a 

1085
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,960
Triple H guy. 
You know, it's not anything 

1086
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,560
against Vince McMahon. 
I'm not saying that at all, 

1087
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,960
especially now with the truck, 
with what he's going through 

1088
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,640
right now. 
But I'm just the hunter guy. 

1089
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,640
He was the one that hired me as 
a producer, you know, and you 

1090
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,080
know, he was the one that 
really, really helped me when 

1091
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,120
things were not going well. 
And so I will always be grateful

1092
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,760
to him for that. 
And ironically, when he went 

1093
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:17,320
through his own health 
challenges, thank God that he 

1094
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,080
was paid it forward, the 
humanity in the, in the, in the 

1095
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,120
respect and appreciation that he
showed you. 

1096
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,640
He got that right back in 
return, and he certainly needed 

1097
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:26,760
it. 
Absolutely. 

1098
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,080
And I remember because I called 
Stephanie and I, you know, you 

1099
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,840
know, was checking on, telling I
was, you know, wanting to check 

1100
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,160
on Hunter and see how he was 
doing. 

1101
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,400
Because no one really knew the 
full story about what was going 

1102
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,840
on until Hunter released it 
himself, you know, So we didn't 

1103
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,320
know what was going on. 
But, you know, I didn't. 

1104
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,280
I did the same thing Stephanie 
did for me. 

1105
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,000
I left a voice message that she 
didn't answer. 

1106
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,480
And I didn't, I didn't really 
expect her to answer. 

1107
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,640
You know, her husband is, you 
know, going through what he's 

1108
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:54,920
going through with this and 
that. 

1109
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,960
So I was very grateful in that 
aspect to be able to return the 

1110
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,720
favor. 
Unfortunately, you know, the 

1111
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,560
situation that he went through, 
you know, didn't want to. 

1112
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,480
I was hoping to never have to 
return it like that. 

1113
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,880
But I was very happy that I was 
able to, you know, show my love 

1114
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,200
for him and and Stephanie and 
the family because again, they 

1115
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,320
didn't have to do what they did,
but they did. 

1116
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,840
And I was very grateful for it 
and I will always be grateful 

1117
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,560
for it. 
So you know, what if the dirt 

1118
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,440
sheets want to go and say stupid
shit like, oh, Devon's 

1119
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,400
infatuated with Stephanie. 
Yes, I'm infatuated with 

1120
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,200
Stephanie and I'm also 
infatuated with Triple H in a 

1121
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:35,200
good positive business way and A
and in a friendship way, not in 

1122
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,920
a rude way like these guys tried
to make it out to be. 

1123
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,080
You know, I'm just very grateful
for how their their friendship 

1124
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,800
and their love that they showed 
me and my family during my most 

1125
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,840
vulnerable time. 
And it was like they took that, 

1126
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:50,440
you know, I'm in my hospital 
bed. 

1127
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,520
They they actually took the I 
wasn't in the house. 

1128
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,240
I'm sorry. 
I had just fresh out of the 

1129
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,240
hospital. 
They took that and turned it 

1130
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,680
around and made it into 
something that it wasn't. 

1131
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:06,480
And, you know, I never really 
got to express how I felt during

1132
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,440
that time until now being on the
show with you. 

1133
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,400
So, you know, I, you know, I 
hope I never have to go through 

1134
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:14,920
that again. 
I hope he has to never have to 

1135
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,120
go through that. 
And none of our families will 

1136
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,240
ever have to deal with that ever
again. 

1137
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:25,280
That is amazing Devon, just a 
such a inspirational story and 

1138
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,920
and so much that you've gone 
through. 

1139
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,640
I wonder, here we are now, three
years later, how does Devon 

1140
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,120
Dudley feel today? 
Well, you know, I feel 

1141
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,680
fantastic. 
You know, I did the 1000 episode

1142
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,400
with Bubba for TNA, and training
for that was a little hard. 

1143
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,520
And I say that not because of 
the stroke or even the back 

1144
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:53,120
surgery I'll get into, but it 
was because I hadn't taken a 

1145
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:57,960
bump in almost seven, maybe 
eight years, although I had been

1146
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,600
still in the gym and training 
rehab, doing all of that. 

1147
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,200
It's a different animal when 
you're training to get inside 

1148
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,040
the ring. 
And it took a lot out of me. 

1149
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,240
But you know, we did it just for
what we did for the 1000 

1150
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:11,120
episode. 
We did it. 

1151
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,880
I got a clean bill of health 
from my neurologist. 

1152
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,320
They've been, they had been 
checking to make sure that 

1153
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,920
everything was under control. 
And I'm happy to say that they 

1154
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,000
said that I won't have to worry 
about it no more in terms of 

1155
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,240
blood thinners and all of that. 
I don't have to take that 

1156
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,040
anymore. 
They do put a precaution in for 

1157
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:34,480
aspirin because an aspirin a day
will help that continue to be 

1158
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,600
like that and everybody should 
be taking an aspirin a day. 

1159
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:41,960
Believe it or not, but in my 
case the blood thinners all the 

1160
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,680
other medication I am clearly. 
Off I again have a clean bill of

1161
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,240
health and. 
You know, they said even if I 

1162
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,840
wanted to get back in the ring, 
just no chair shots to the head.

1163
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,600
I can't do that anymore. 
But other than that, if I wanted

1164
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,320
to wrestle again, I can get in 
there and wrestle. 

1165
01:06:55,360 --> 01:07:00,280
There are no, there's nothing 
stopping me from doing that now.

1166
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,840
Real quick on the back surgery, 
it was like almost eight months 

1167
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:11,440
later after having the stroke, 
then my back went out L4L5 and 

1168
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,120
S1 had to be fused. 
And you know, all the years of 

1169
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,960
doing what I was doing and ECW, 
all of that took a toll on the 

1170
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,880
back. 
And you know, it was degenerated

1171
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,960
disc disease, which a lot of 
wrestlers have, believe it or 

1172
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:31,520
not, had no idea until I started
poking around and asking 

1173
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,600
questions. 
And it was like I was told just 

1174
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:38,400
about everybody who's been in 
the business as long as I have 

1175
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,040
or even longer pretty much has 
that. 

1176
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,840
And it's like, wow, because our 
bodies weren't made to do this. 

1177
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:51,640
Our bodies were not made to jump
off ladders, to take back bumps 

1178
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,560
on a mat with metal beams on the
bottom of it and and boards. 

1179
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,080
You know, it wasn't made for 
that. 

1180
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,560
So eventually your time will 
come. 

1181
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:02,480
Terry Taylor like to say that 
you will always allowed a 

1182
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,240
certain amount of bumps before 
your career is over. 

1183
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,920
Well, I had reached my certain 
amount of bumps. 

1184
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:12,000
Not saying that my career is 
done, but in terms of doing what

1185
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,920
I used to do, the flying and all
that, you know, as you get 

1186
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,560
older, like we said earlier, you
don't need to do that stuff. 

1187
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,760
You need to hit the greatest 
hits and that's it. 

1188
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,520
Go home. 
And that's exactly what I'm 

1189
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:24,680
doing now. 
So if I'm in the ring with 

1190
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,279
Bubba, you better get back. 
Guarantee it's the greatest hits

1191
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,240
without the what's up. 
We're going to switch that 

1192
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,760
around. 
Bubba will come off the 2nd and 

1193
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,240
not the top and I will come more
and I'll be holding the legs 

1194
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,520
now. 
And you know, we're perfectly 

1195
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,160
cool with that. 
At least one of us is still 

1196
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,760
doing it. 
As far as the war dance go, I'm 

1197
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,319
trying to teach Bubba how to do 
the war dance with the Testify. 

1198
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:47,200
You know, when you do the sign 
of the cross, that's a hard task

1199
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,640
in itself, but Bubbles got 
enough rhythm to do that. 

1200
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,319
But All in all, I just want 
anybody to know that I'm very 

1201
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:56,319
blessed and happy and thankful 
that I had a full recovery from 

1202
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,880
both the back surgery and the 
stroke. 

1203
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:00,840
And I'm back to almost 100% 
again. 

1204
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,600
The feeling that I had that that
I the left, how do I say this? 

1205
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:10,920
Me only having 35 to even 40% on
my left side, I could say 

1206
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,160
probably is back down to nine. 
It's probably back to 95% still 

1207
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,439
with those little things here 
and there which that comes with 

1208
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,080
it. 
But other than that, the health 

1209
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,600
is doing great. 
And again, thank you to all of 

1210
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,960
the fans, all the powers to be 
in WWE that were there that 

1211
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,760
helped me and, you know, helped 
took me, Let me take my time and

1212
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,520
coming back and do what I do 
Thank you. 

1213
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,520
And a big shout out to Triple H 
and Stephanie McMahon for being 

1214
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,279
in my corner during that time of
need. 

1215
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:38,640
Thank you so much. 
Deep. 

1216
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,439
Deep. 
These are the moments that 

1217
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,880
define character. 
You know, it's, it's when 

1218
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,600
everything is going great and 
all that good stuff. 

1219
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,560
Yeah, sure, everybody can be the
hero. 

1220
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:57,320
But in these times of 
challenges, literally life and 

1221
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:02,280
death, how you treat people will
make a lasting impression. 

1222
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,840
And certainly Triple H and 
Stephanie McMahon, they they 

1223
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,640
stepped up and they knocked it 
out of the park. 

1224
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,600
And you know, Devon, you did as 
well when Triple H was was going

1225
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,000
through his challenges with his 
heart issues and what have you. 

1226
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,240
So that's, it's beautiful And, 
and you know, I wanted to make 

1227
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,280
sure I, I tabled that and, and, 
and make sure it made that clear

1228
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,200
there. 
And now let's get to the main 

1229
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:27,080
event. 
Devon, your wife Taylor is a 

1230
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,840
tremendous person. 
And I know you and I, we, we 

1231
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,480
joke about it offline and I 
always remind you that she's a 

1232
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:37,000
pretty popular person because 
she's so gorgeous. 

1233
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,160
She's absolutely gorgeous. 
Everyone loves her fans, people 

1234
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,040
in the business, they always 
talk about how gorgeous Devon's 

1235
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,680
wife is and how it's amazing. 
You know, Devon, really he, he 

1236
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,760
did a great job there. 
He's got a gorgeous wife. 

1237
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,320
But the fact that she is so 
great at her job that she could 

1238
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:58,920
talk to you on the phone and 
just listen to your symptoms and

1239
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:03,520
automatically know what you're 
going through and then have the,

1240
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:08,520
the, the presence to be able to 
motivate people to check on you 

1241
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,920
and especially save your life. 
Let me tell you something, 

1242
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,800
brother, All you could ever do 
for the rest of your life is 

1243
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,920
honor that woman, right? 
Oh, yeah, And that's what I do, 

1244
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,280
You know, hands down I honor 
her. 

1245
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,000
And, you know, she's my life 
support. 

1246
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,040
She likes to say I'm hers, but 
she's more mine than than 

1247
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,080
anything. 
And, you know, very happy. 

1248
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,840
And sometimes I wonder, like, 
how the hell did I get a woman 

1249
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:33,480
like. 
This. 

1250
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,640
You know, it's like, it's 
incredible, but yet you know, 

1251
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,560
she's, she's my everything. 
She's my. 

1252
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,520
Rock. 
And no, you know, no man or 

1253
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,160
woman will ever come in between 
that. 

1254
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,520
I love a shout out once again to
Taylor Missus Devon, you are 

1255
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,840
absolutely appreciated. 
Thank you. 

1256
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,320
Like Devon said, he wouldn't be 
here with us today having this 

1257
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:01,480
wonderful conversation if it 
wasn't for you and your presence

1258
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:05,000
of mind and, and, you know, 
being cool under pressure, being

1259
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,600
able to do the right thing, make
the right decisions to help save

1260
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,760
your man's life. 
That's just we love. 

1261
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,920
We, we thank you and appreciate 
you for that. 

1262
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,520
Seriously. 
Wow. 

1263
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,880
We covered a lot of bases here 
today, Devon. 

1264
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,920
Yes, we did. 
I'm, I'm. 

1265
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,840
I was like I'm having fun doing 
this. 

1266
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,680
Anyone listening right there, if
you're having fun listening to 

1267
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,520
us, hey, we want to hear from 
you. 

1268
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,360
So you know Duke loves 
wrestling@gmail.com. 

1269
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,400
Certainly Duclas Rassel and all 
your social media. 

1270
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,040
Devon what? 
What's the social media they can

1271
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,560
reach out to you at? 
They can reach out to me on 

1272
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:44,680
Testify Devon on Instagram as 
well as Testify Devon and it's 

1273
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:52,920
spelled DVON, no hyphen or no E 
on Twitter, you know, So Testify

1274
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:58,920
Devon on Twitter, Testify Devon 
on Instagram and my Facebook is 

1275
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,000
private. 
It's only for my family and 

1276
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,760
friends that I put up a lot of 
private pictures that I don't 

1277
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,320
want the public to see or know. 
So I make sure that, you know, 

1278
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,000
my family, who I don't get to 
see all the time, back in New 

1279
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,440
York, back all over the United 
States, because everybody's so 

1280
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:18,760
spread out that at least they 
get to see what's going on in my

1281
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,640
life. 
And a lot of my friends from 

1282
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,320
high school, junior high and all
of that. 

1283
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:27,920
So, you know, they can contact 
me there also, you know, we have

1284
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:32,320
the wrestling school, DDA, Devon
Dudley Academy just ready to 

1285
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,480
produce, you know, the future 
stars of the business and really

1286
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:38,360
trying to really just do what we
got to do. 

1287
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:44,600
And once again folks, the River 
City Wrestling Con OK June 8th 

1288
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,200
and 9th if you want to meet 
Devon Dudley live, this is a 

1289
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,080
perfect opportunity for you. 
The weather is going to be 

1290
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,880
fantastic. 
I mean, come on now, St. 

1291
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,160
Augustine, FL, you can't beat 
it. 

1292
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,280
Join D Von and the whole crew 
there. 

1293
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,280
Everyone's going to be there, 
from Sting to Booker T, Trish 

1294
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,360
Stratus, leader, the Hardy Boys,
you name it. 

1295
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,480
OK River City Wrestling con.com 
For more information so you can 

1296
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:13,200
get your tickets ahead of time. 
Guarantee that you're going to 

1297
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:14,720
be there. 
Certainly. 

1298
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,320
Listen, D Von Dudley, as always,
man, I appreciate touching base 

1299
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,520
with you. 
And the fact that we get to have

1300
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,440
these, these intimate 
conversations for the world to 

1301
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:27,440
hear is just truly a blessing. 
And for all you listening out 

1302
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:32,480
there, join us next time on 
Devon and the Duke because, you 

1303
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,360
know, we're going to talk about 
what's current. 

1304
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:35,920
We're going to tell some great 
stories. 

1305
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:41,720
Most of all, we are going to 
remind you about how precious 

1306
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,000
life is and why you need to 
celebrate it now. 

1307
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,720
Devon, take us out, brother. 
Well, you know again. 

1308
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,160
God bless you, the fans that 
have been in my corner taking 

1309
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,600
care of me and, you know, 
showing me the love that you 

1310
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,200
have over the years. 
All I got to say is Oh my 

1311
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:03,120
brother, testify. 
Till next time, be kind to 

1312
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,400
yourselves and be kind to 
others. 

1313
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:07,360
Take it away. 
Tony Shivani. 

1314
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,800
This is Tony Shivani, and we're 
definitely out of time on Duke 

1315
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:15,360
Love. 
Blessed.