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To the only show that matters, 

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the Queen of the. 
Crop Duke loves wrestling. 

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And there is no one that does it
better than your house. 

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I have come here to chew bubble 
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Ass. 
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Brothers and sisters, welcome 
back to another wonderful 

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edition of Devon and the Duke, 
the limited podcast series 

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hosted by your main man. 
Duke loves wrestling and of 

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course the five time Hall of 
Famer himself, the family man 

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himself, Mr. Devon Dudley. 
How you doing there Devon? 

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Good, good, not bad at all. 
Just sitting here with my baby 

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girl at home and just relaxing. 
You know, it's, it's funny, last

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episode you were talking about 
cleaning up the the room and the

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closet and what have you and I, 
we got so much feedback over 

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that. 
Like just say, man, Devon is 

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just a he's a regular dad, isn't
he? 

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I say yeah, he sure is. 
I do it all, man. 

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I listen. 
I like my wife is cheap, she 

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likes to save money. 
So we clean the pool. 

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Anything that we got to do, we 
do it ourselves and I, you know,

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I just make sure that everything
is done around the house and try

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to make sure that I free up my 
Sundays getting ready for month 

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for football. 
So as long as I do it during the

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week I'm OK. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

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Well, you know, you just open up
a can of worms now. 

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Now I got to warn you, Devon, 
and this is probably going to 

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drive a little bit of a wedge 
between our our friendship here.

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So I apologize in advance. 
Despite the fact that I'm born 

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and raised in Boston and we know
that this is New England 

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Patriots territory, I am a die 
hard Dallas Cowboys fan. 

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So knowing where you come from, 
I'm pretty sure we're rivals. 

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But let's find out now who? 
Who's your NFL team? 

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The New York Jets. 
So how did you get to The Jets? 

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Well, if I can remember right, 
as a kid, 6-7 years old, I was 

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watching and I believe I'm, I'm 
looking at it in my head right 

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now. 
I was watching ABC and there was

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a football game on and I just 
remember reading it said Jet. 

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You know, I was like I said I 
was like 6. 

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I was like five or six years old
and I remember reading Jet and I

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thought the green and white was 
like really cool at that time. 

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So I remember just saying to 
myself, the New York Jets, 

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that's my team. 
The New York Jets, that's my 

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team. 
And every week, you know, I 

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football was on. 
During football season, I would 

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look for The Jets and that's how
it was won. 

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There was no rhyme or reason 
like I thought they were great 

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or good. 
I just like the colors and the 

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fact that I could read the 
jersey that said Jets. 

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I love it. 
I love it. 

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And ever since now you, I know 
you remember the, the Curtis 

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Martin years and all that. 
Those are some good years there 

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man. 
Absolutely. 

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Listen, Curtis Martin, Richard 
Todd Freeman, McNeil, Wesley 

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Walker, you know, I mean, the 
list goes on. 

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You know, Gaston or Klecko. 
I mean, that was, that was great

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times in the 80s. 
You know, I also, I, I just 

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remember not really being a 
football fan until I became a 

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Jet fan. 
It was one of those things where

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I was intrigued, like I said 
earlier, by the colors and the 

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fact that I was able to read the
the word Jets on the jersey. 

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But most importantly, the fans 
in New York were phenomenal. 

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Even when The Jets sucked, they 
still were behind them 110%. 

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And I think that's what got me 
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know, I remember some of the 
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the teams. 
I remember Bill Parcell did it. 

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I think it was at what, right 
after the, the, the run with the

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Giants. 
And we thought that our legacy 

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was going to be fulfilled and it
didn't work. 

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I think The Jets are cursed. 
We have not been good since Joe 

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name it. 
And I, I pray to God that before

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I leave this earth that I can at
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the Super Bowl and possibly win.
That's my goal in life now. 

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Well, I hope you get it. 
I mean, at the very least, let's

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hope that The Jets beat the dog 
mess out of the Patriots. 

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Because I'm going to tell you 
right now, there is nothing more

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than I love than to giggle my 
backside off at the expense of 

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Patriots fans. 
I can't stand the Patriots. 

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OK. 
That's you. 

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So you and I are aligned. 
That's when you should have 

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jumped over the ship and come to
New York, fan. 

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That's it, that's it, you know, 
but Dallas has my heart though, 

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man. 
I mean, Emmett Smith, I got to 

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blame him. 
I just, I find him to be such a 

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gentleman, classy guy, Always 
appreciate the way you played 

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ball. 
So because of him, I just stuck 

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with the team, you know what I 
mean? 

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That that's just the way it went
so. 

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I feel the same way about The 
Jets. 

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No matter how many times they 
lose, I'll still be with them. 

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I love it. 
That's good stuff there. 

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And you know what else is good 
stuff? 

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All of you folks in Ottawa, 
Canada, the Ottawa Comic Con is 

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coming up September 6th through 
the 8th and guess what? 

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The five time Hall of Famer 
himself, Devon Dudley is going 

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to be there on September 7th and
8th. 

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So you've got to make sure you 
get your tickets, you got to 

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come out, bring everybody, OK? 
Bring your Mama, bring your 

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cousin, bring your girlfriend, 
whoever. 

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Make sure you come out and check
out the Ottawa Comic Con so you 

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could see Devon Dudley. 
Are you going to have any 

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special merchandise up out 
there? 

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Up in. 
Well, I got the new T-shirts, 

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Team Dudley, and then it has a 
very cool logo on the back 

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that's done very well here in 
the States. 

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I got the old school ECW tie dye
shirts I'm going to be selling. 

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So, you know, come on down and 
just really, really check out 

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the merchandise. 
Real cool stuff. 

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And you know, go from there. 
That's right. 

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That's right. 
Devon Dudley's second home. 

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What what do you think about the
food up in Ottawa that Devon? 

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Have you had any, any good food 
up there? 

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Can't see that I have. 
It's always been chain 

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wrestling, chain wrestling, 
chain restaurants that I've gone

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to, stuff that you already know 
what's in there, but yet it's in

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a different country and you try 
it anyway. 

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But that, that's me. 
I don't really think outside the

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box. 
Got it, got it. 

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Well, listen, any of you fans 
out there, especially up in 

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Ottawa, if you have any 
suggestions when I try to break 

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the bank here, but we want a 
good meal. 

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If you have any suggestions for 
Devon, send them in. 

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OK, Of course, testify Devon on 
on Instagram and Twitter, do 

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clubs wrestling on Instagram and
Twitter. 

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Let us know what you think 
there. 

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I'm sure we can find something a
little better than a regular 

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chain restaurant for Devon. 
I tried that Tim horton's coffee

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man, and I'm I'm sorry, I'm 
still stuck to Dunkin' Donuts. 

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I just can't. 
Do it. 

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Really. 
You're the first one that said. 

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Yeah, man, I listen. 
Maybe it's just because that's 

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what I'm used to. 
In fact, the original Dunkin' 

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Donuts is not far from where I 
live. 

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Is this is the first one ever 
built. 

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So I I'm, I'm stuck to the 
original man, I'm sorry. 

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Wow, I don't have too many 
people say that. 

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You know, are you a coffee guy? 
Absolutely love it. 

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OK, all right, so, so, so here 
we go. 

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This is a big one. 
Now, what is the D Von Dudley 

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coffee? 
How how do you get it all fixed 

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up and what have you? 
Where do you get it from? 

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Dunkin' Donuts We don't have a 
Tim Hornet over here. 

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The Dunkin' Donuts Black 4 
sugars. 

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There it is. 
OK, OK. 

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You sound, you know, my mom 
takes it. 

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She she has to do decaf these 
days, but she does a small black

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decaf 3 sugars and that's a a 
former police officer, 37 years 

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on the job. 
And and she would always tell me

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it doesn't matter if it's hot 
outside, cold outside, I want my

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small black decaf 3 sugars 
Dunkin' Donuts. 

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That's the way to roll. 
I may have to be like mom and go

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to decaf too. 
I really shouldn't be drinking 

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regular coffee. 
Hell, I shouldn't even be really

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taking five hour energies, but I
do it. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
You ain't supposed to have that 

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stuff. 
I know. 

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Is that is that your preferred 
energy drink though, if you do 

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have it? 
Is it? 

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Is it 5? 
Hour. 

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Yeah, I drink Monster or any of 
that stuff. 

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I drink 5 hour energy. 
Wow. 

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Some people like to say it's 
worse than the other stuff, but 

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I don't think so. 
But then each his own. 

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Listen, it's small but mighty. 
That's what we know. 

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It's small, but. 
Mighty. 

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You know, Speaking of which, 
there, Listen, we just had a 

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crazy week of pro wrestling 
action. 

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Of course, AEW had their all in 
pay-per-view. 

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This is the anniversary of when 
they had all that, all that 

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trouble last year, which 
ultimately ended up with CM Punk

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leaving the company and coming 
back to WWE. 

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So they didn't have any 
controversy like that this year.

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But what's interesting is that, 
you know, last year Tony Kahn 

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had claimed that they drew 
81,000 fans. 

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The government out there, you 
know, they came back with a 

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figure that was close to 72,000.
So we don't know, you know, Tony

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may may have messed up his math 
a little bit. 

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But this year, surprisingly, 
they went down to a little over 

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50,000 people that were in the 
building. 

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That's a pretty dramatic drop. 
I mean, we're talking somewhere 

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between 25 and 30,000 people 
difference there. 

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What are your thoughts on that 
type of reduction in business in

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just one year, same venue by the
way, by the way, but in one year

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they lost that well. 
Let me just say this going back 

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to what you said originally, you
know about the numbers being 

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increased by Tony possibility. 
Listen, they there are some 

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talks that WrestleMania 3, you 
know 93,173 people were 

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exaggerated that the number was 
not that big. 

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It was big. 
It was definitely close to 

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100,000 people, but it wasn't 
that big that that was always 

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spoke upon years after Wrestle 
Mania. 

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So it's not unheard of for a 
company to take, you know, some 

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numbers and make it more 
appealing to make it seem like 

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they sold more. 
That's that's never been a case.

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But in terms of the drop in the 
attendance, you know, when AW 

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first went out there, it was 
new, basically nobody really, 

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you know, they were excited for 
it. 

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You know, they knew what they 
knew from TV. 

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But now it was, it's kind of 
like they got that, they got out

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there, they performed, they had 
a great show last year. 

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And it's like the suspense, the 
thrill is over in a sense. 

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So now you have to get those 
people back that only went there

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to see it because they've heard 
of it, but they've never been 

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involved. 
They've never seen a real AW 

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match, so now you have to put 
that in perspective and then try

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to go back to the drawing board 
and get those people that you 

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lost back. 
Absolutely. 

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And and listen, every venue that
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part, there is a significant 
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They're not even trying to set 
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the same amount of fans they did
last year. 

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they're booking these venues 

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that hold 131415 thousand seats 
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2025 hundred. 
Yeah, you know, just crazy 

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numbers, man. 
The place is completely empty. 

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Well, I mean, we, we all, we all
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when the pandemic happened, you 
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in the arenas. 
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the first time they went out 
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up and everything. 
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you kind of expect the numbers 
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I'm not surprised, you know, 
because the, the whole, you 

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know, element of surprise with 
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first time it was new. 
It was unique and you know, they

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did what they did. 
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Listen, I, I'll just say this, I
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mistakes that Tony Khan has made
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these numbers and making claims 
that he was going to take on the

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WWE and do this and do that. 
Now that they're in a 

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significant downturn, AEW and 
WWE is way up and, and the Sky's

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the limit for them right now. 
It really looks silly on Tony's 

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part and all of his words are 
coming back to bite him. 

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Listen, the only people that 
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with WWE was WCW, with the magic
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It was, it was just that it was 
magic. 

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And nobody had ever seen a 
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with the likes of WWE before. 
So, you know, Tony's still got 

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some growing pains. 
He's got to get out of his 

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company. 
I think once he does that and 

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then push the right people by 
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talking about to help that 
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it really should be, then and 
only then will you see the 

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success of AEW. 
You know, again, I'm pulling for

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a EWI think a lot of people are 
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Hell, there are people in the 
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for AEW because you don't want 
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monopoly. 
It's just as simple as that. 

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And right now, it seems like AEW
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that middle ground. 
In other words, it's kind of 

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like, OK, we hit the high, where
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This is why I think a person 
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company, I think would do great 
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able to use the knowledge that 
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able to help this company. 
Agreed, Agreed 100%. 

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And, and listen, if that's what 
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pull the trigger and let's go 
because they still don't have 

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that, that TV deal going into 
2025, at least not in the United

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States. 
I mean, they're in bad shape 

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when it comes to that. 
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insecurity. 
I, I talked to a lot of people 

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in that company and they are 
just as confused as anybody else

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in terms of what the future of 
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That is not how you want your 
team to be feeling right now. 

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You know what I mean? 
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the holidays, man. 
Duke, remember, be careful with 

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that, because then it'll all 
turn around. 

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They'll say that you said that. 
Good point. 

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Good point. 
Yeah, we got to watch out for 

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that. 
Yeah, we don't. 

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We don't want the snakes to get 
upset again like they have been.

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That's right. 
So. 

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No, but in all actual, you know,
Tony, I love your product. 

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I think it's great. 
I just think you need help and I

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think you need people that's 
going to steer you in the right 

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direction. 
It's great that you have been 

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watching wrestling since you 
were a little kid and you know 

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you at the ECW Arena and 
probably countless Wrestlemanias

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before you made the jump into 
wrestling. 

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I mean, you know, my hat goes 
off to you, but you just need 

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somebody that's going to be 
there and not just be a yes man.

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But if they have to say no to 
you, then they say no 

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regardless. 
So if they lose good job or not,

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that's a real friend, that's a 
real business partner. 

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Indeed, indeed. 
Now on the other side, we saw on

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smackdown Jacob fart two, you 
know, he he was able to attack 

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Roman Reigns and and now 
business is really starting to 

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cook now because the entire new 
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beaten up on Roman. 
And the question remains now, 

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who is going to help Roman take 
on this this faction of young 

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hungry lions led by Solo Sokoa. 
What are your thoughts on that 

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there? 
I mean that the the hell of a 

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pop between Roman and the rock 
would be huge to have something 

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like that. 
Other than a rock. 

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I just don't know if you put the
Rock Cody together, that's a 

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fraction right there that could 
help Roman overpass. 

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Plus you got the Usos already 
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So I don't I don't know if 
anybody, I think the players are

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already there from the Rock to 
Cody to the Usos. 

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They could all have, you know, 
Roman's back. 

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But, you know, again, I don't 
think there's anybody that can 

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come close to filling that void 
except for the people that are 

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already there. 
Well said. 

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Well said. 
I mean, again, it's just one of 

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those things where you have to 
tune in to find out what's going

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to happen next because it's all 
action, it's all excitement. 

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And these folks, at this point, 
WWE is printing money they just 

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can't miss. 
It's crazy, man. 

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My hat goes off the hunt. 
My hat goes off to Paul Heyman. 

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My hat goes off to everybody 
that is responsible for the 

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growth and success of the WWE. 
It's truly amazing to see how 

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much they are doing right now 
and how much ratings are up, 

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attendance are up. 
I mean, it's, it's, it's 

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incredible. 
It sure is. 

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It sure is. 
So again, once again, 

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congratulations WWE. 
Just keep doing what you're 

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doing. 
I mean, there's not much more to

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say about it than that. 
Just keep doing what you're 

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doing because clearly it's 
working. 

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Diva, I want to ask you 
something because I know that's 

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you. 
You have a some things that tend

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to outside here. 
So I want to ask you this before

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you go. 
There is a a trend that's been 

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going on the last couple of 
years where we have independent 

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wrestlers who unfortunately they
get injured at in the events and

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then they go online and they set
up GoFundMe to help try to pay 

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for medical bills. 
And I find this interesting. 

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Instead of getting the money 
from the promotion where you got

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injured, you're asking the fans 
to foot that bill. 

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You as a Hall of Famer, as a 
person who has been on every 

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level of pro wrestling, you 
started from the bottom and then

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you went all the way up to the 
top. 

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What are your thoughts on this 
trend right here? 

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Do you feel that the promoter 
should be responsible for paying

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those medical bills? 
Or, you know, is it OK to be 

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doing these? 
Go fund me. 

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It's a it's a real tricky thing 
with those things because you 

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got people that make these go 
fund me accounts and then they 

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take the money and steal it and 
it's not used for what's 

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interpreted for what his 
intentions for using it for. 

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So it's a very, very sticky 
thing with that. 

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You know you have to be careful 
on on people on who you send 

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your money to and where. 
Make sure that you know where 

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it's going because if not, you 
can get scammed. 

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Absolutely, absolutely. 
All I'll say there is please, if

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you are asking for GoFundMe 
money, please make sure you're 

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using it for what you're 
claiming you're going to use it 

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for. 
Because to, to be hitting up 

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these folks these days, the fans
are already spending money on 

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the merchandise. 
They're already spending money 

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on the pay per views. 
They're they're seeing you live 

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at the meet and greets and what 
have you. 

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You can only squeeze so much out
of a rock, you know what I mean?

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So it's it's it's interesting. 
And we'll leave it at that. 

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Devon, if anyone wants to reach 
out to you, keep up with you. 

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Even if they want to check out 
the wrestling school, what's the

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best way that they can do all 
that? 

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OK, we can go to Instagram. 
I am on Instagram at Testify. 

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Devon, I'm sorry, Devon Dudley 
Academy DDA short for and you 

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can check out all the 
information, check out what we 

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do there. 
And you know, if you feel like 

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you want to be a wrestler and 
you think that you can, you got 

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what it takes, then come on down
and give it a try. 

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We'll be more than happy to help
you come in and help you train 

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to be the next Roman Reigns, 
Cody Rose or whatever you feel 

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fit that you want to see 
yourself become. 

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We can help you do that. 
Well brothers and sisters, as 

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always, the five time Hall of 
Famer Devon Dudley, he is just 

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hilarious and and insightful and
that's good stuff there. 

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Devon had some business to take 
care of. 

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But don't worry folks, we are 
just getting started because we 

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have a special friend of 
Devon's, a very special friend 

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of mine who took some time out 
of his busy schedule to come in 

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and speak to all of the Devon 
and the Duke listeners out 

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there. 
The man himself, the Don, the 

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true Don, the pro wrestling big 
Vito Lagrazzo. 

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How you doing there Vito? 
I'm doing fine, Duke. 

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Thank you very much for having 
me on your show with my good 

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friend Devon Dudley. 
Devon and the Duke. 

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Everybody should listen to this 
show. 

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It's got a lot of good content. 
Thank you for having me on. 

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You know, it's, it's a weird 
thing here. 

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We East Coast guys, we just 
can't get away from each other, 

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you know what I mean? 
It's, it's like we're, we're 

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pies on all the way, right? 
Yeah, I would tell. 

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I would tell. 
I would think so. 

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I mean, all our tans match, so I
mean we're all good. 

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Folks, I I tell Vito all the 
time. 

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In fact, my mother even says 
this Vito is black whether he 

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knows it or not. 
You know, he's Sicilian, he's 

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black. 
It's just, it is what it is. 

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OK, so for. 
Anyone wondering? 

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So in Italy, and then listen, we
dress the same too, you know, So

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that's the best part. 
Vito's just a little bit taller 

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than I am. 
That's the only difference 

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there. 
Yeah, I mean, I shop at big and 

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tall you, short you, you know, 
you buy it short and short. 

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I mean, it's good. 
You're the only one who can get 

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away with that with me. 
OK, I'm just going to let let 

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this be known. 
You're the only one. 

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My goodness. 
What? 

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Listen, I'm letting you be Joe 
Pesci. 

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Joe Pesci was 55. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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And he was always the toughest 
guy in in the in the whole 

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movie. 
So yeah, I'll take that. 

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I can deal with that all. 
Right, so I'm giving you Joe 

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Pesci and you still barking. 
It's not like you sent me a 

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fruit basket or, you know, a 
wine collection or cigars. 

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I mean, you know, you do it for 
Yvonne, but not me. 

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Oh, here we go. 
You see you, you in the fruit 

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basket. 
Listen, if, if, if somebody 

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wants to send you a fruit 
basket, let's get this 

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straightened out once and for 
all. 

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What is in the basket? 
Give me the rundown of what is 

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the, the, the Don big beetles 
fruit basket. 

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What has to be in there? 
There has to be Italian cheese. 

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There has to be some brijute, 
some olives, some wine, OK, 

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maybe some Italian pastries 
wrapped up properly, you know, 

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maybe a bottle of champagne, 
some after dinner, Italian 

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mints, you know, I don't know. 
I mean, Duke, you still haven't 

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come through. 
And you know what's funny people

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is I know Duke Longing and Devon
and there's a show called Devon 

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and the Duke. 
What happened to friggin the 

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Duke and and Cosmo show? 
I don't know. 

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I don't. 
Know we can't do that show 

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because it'll it'll it'll get 
pulled off the air because we'll

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be talking about things that 
we're not supposed to talk about

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and you know that thing with 
that happened with that guy and 

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you know I I'd listen you know 
I'm trying to stay on the right 

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side here. 
Come on now, VO. 

446
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:57,440
Yeah, you're the guy that 
everybody wishes they could be. 

447
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,440
You know what I mean? 
And I'm saying at reverse 

448
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,360
psychology, you're the guy who 
sits there clean cut, mom and 

449
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:08,720
dad, apple pies, sisters, 
brothers, brother Devon. 

450
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,080
And then you got me, old 
Scarface. 

451
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,760
You wish you can be me. 
You wish you could say things in

452
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,840
public and get away with it 
because I'm the guy you want to 

453
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,680
be. 
Old Scarface who has some of the

454
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,520
best skin that you can find. 
I mean, clear as as a beautiful 

455
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,400
day. 
This guy over here, Noxzema and 

456
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,840
all these other skin care lines 
out there. 

457
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,480
You should be doing business 
with this guy. 

458
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,160
OK, I'm just going to put that 
out there. 

459
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,360
It is what it is. 
My goodness. 

460
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,680
Listen, Vidal, you have been 
traveling all over the place. 

461
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,840
The fans have been excited to 
see you. 

462
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,520
It's been really, really cool to
see the resurgence of the Dawn 

463
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,560
Big Veto. 
You know, we, we talked about 

464
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,160
your time at the River City 
Wrestling Con and some of these 

465
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,080
other places that you've been 
and what have you. 

466
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,160
As we, as we turn the corner on 
2024, we we look ahead to 2025. 

467
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,080
I mean, hey, how does it feel to
be in the shape that you're in 

468
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,560
to, to have the excitement 
around you that you have? 

469
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,640
How does it feel to be the Dawn 
Big Veto? 

470
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,280
It has been a great experience, 
you know, being in shape, being 

471
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,480
ready to go. 
People always say veto, you 

472
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,600
always dress to the nines. 
You look great. 

473
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,280
And the one thing that I always 
taught the young guys always be 

474
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,320
ready. 
And one of the guys posted, this

475
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,480
guy is always ready, always be 
ready. 

476
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,640
A spray tan away from going on 
TV. 

477
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,960
But most importantly, you know, 
taking care of yourself for the 

478
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,920
future of your life means a lot 
too. 

479
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,160
So you can enjoy the fruits of 
your labor and enjoy, you know, 

480
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,280
life maybe not on the grind, but
enjoy things that you work for. 

481
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,800
And that's what I stress to 
people. 

482
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,800
You know, you got to take care 
of yourself. 

483
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,240
You got to look good, feel good.
If you dress like a million, you

484
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,600
feel like a million. 
You look like a million. 

485
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,360
Indeed, indeed. 
You know, you're a Family Guy, 

486
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,440
which is one of the main reasons
why you and I are such great 

487
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,360
friends. 
It's one of the main reasons why

488
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,760
you and Devon are such great 
friends because we, we all are 

489
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,800
family people. 
We take care of our family. 

490
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,600
We make sacrifices for our 
family. 

491
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,040
This is this is what we're 
about. 

492
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,520
That's how we were raised. 
That's what that's what is part 

493
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:27,400
of our code as men. 
Why is that so important to to 

494
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,880
live like that and to be about 
that, especially for you 

495
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,000
personally? 
Well, I mean, you know, coming 

496
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,920
up, I really didn't have it 
easy. 

497
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:45,640
And well, my mom dying at 19 
kind of cut the family life out.

498
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,360
So like you miss a lot of 
things. 

499
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,400
You know, I didn't really get 
along with my old man too well. 

500
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
But in the end, we were we were 
OK. 

501
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,960
You know, my brothers, they had 
a tough too, you know, growing 

502
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,920
up in a neighborhood where you 
know, you had to fight and 

503
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,160
defend your turf and fight to be
somebody. 

504
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,840
And because who you were related
to, that took into account of a 

505
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,720
lot of things and the people you
work for, you know, and, you 

506
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,760
know, finally picking a 
profession that you know, you 

507
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,080
had to stand up and be a man. 
And when you talk about family, 

508
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,800
you know, not having, but then 
wanting to have people around 

509
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,960
you loving, love for you and 
care for you. 

510
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,280
And maybe it's not who you start
out with, but it's who you 

511
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,000
finish with. 
And what people don't realize 

512
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,640
is, you know, that the wrestling
business is a lonely life. 

513
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,640
And you're on the road and away 
from your family. 

514
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,680
But when you're not in it full 
time, what do you come home to? 

515
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,720
An empty house? 
So I mean, like Devon, you know,

516
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,040
he rode the same roads and he 
had, you know, he's been through

517
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,040
his stuff. 
I've been through my stuff and 

518
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,040
what you realize at the end of 
the day is having a family and 

519
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:10,440
raising kids, enjoying the small
things like going to a cigar bar

520
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,240
or hanging out in a jazz club 
and listening to music. 

521
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,840
Or, you know, just being home 
and messing around with your dog

522
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,560
or going out to dinner with your
wife and trying to live a 

523
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,920
comfortable life and not have 
the struggle, you know, being 

524
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,560
able to enjoy the people who you
consider your family and, you 

525
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000
know, embrace them and include 
them in everything. 

526
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,360
I mean, and watching kids grow 
and be productive citizens. 

527
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,560
And, you know, you know, 
sometimes they say I don't want 

528
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,000
to be like my mother and father,
but the best traits do come from

529
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,040
your mother and father. 
And, you know, I've raised two 

530
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,360
children that have my traits, 
you know? 

531
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,120
And you know, they're doing, 
they're doing good. 

532
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,160
They're doing good. 
Love to hear that. 

533
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,480
Love to hear. 
And and yeah, you are a a dog 

534
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,200
guy, a dog dad, so to speak as 
well. 

535
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,920
What is it about you and your 
bond with animals? 

536
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,560
Because legitimately you just 
turn into a big pile of mush 

537
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,200
anytime you you have your dog 
around. 

538
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:25,840
Well, I mean, with kids and dogs
and animals, I mean, you know, 

539
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,680
having to be tough every day of 
your life and having to go out 

540
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,600
there and just look at the 
world. 

541
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,040
No, it gets it gets draining. 
But when you could kick back and

542
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,880
just be yourself, your inner 
self, and you could hug your 

543
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,000
dog. 
And like even when I go grocery 

544
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,840
shopping, I talk to every little
baby in a stroller, you know, I 

545
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,880
talk to every little kid. 
I make friends and it makes me 

546
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,680
happy. 
So I mean, you know, I like to 

547
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,280
be happy. 
I like happy kids, happy dogs 

548
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,400
and and kids and dogs can sense 
good people when they come up to

549
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,360
you and hug you and kiss you. 
That means that you, you are 

550
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,240
good people. 
Your, your quality. 

551
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,360
So I got that that quality and 
trait in me. 

552
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,200
So on on that note, you know, 
I'm good. 

553
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,440
Everybody fights with their wife
every now and then, but that's 

554
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,200
just normal living. 
So I mean, that's the way it is.

555
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,440
It's just household one O 1. 
Indeed, indeed. 

556
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,640
And listen, shout out to your 
lovely wife Noel Best Buns. 

557
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,960
We know that. 
We know she's she's Miss Best 

558
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,320
Buns out there. 
She is a whiz online and all 

559
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,280
that good stuff helps manage the
big Veto brand. 

560
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,600
And on top of all that, 
legitimately one of the nicest 

561
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,840
people I've ever had the 
pleasure of knowing. 

562
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,040
Really respect and appreciate 
her and the bond that you 2 

563
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,840
have. 
It's it's very, very special and

564
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,400
it's awesome possibly to call 
you both friends. 

565
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,160
Thank you very much for that and
you know, the same goes for your

566
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,160
family. 
Dude, I know I never met your 

567
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,720
family or spoke to your wife and
but we do speak about your 

568
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,360
lovely mother and her fondness 
for me, which I greatly 

569
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,080
appreciate. 
Don't start any trouble now. 

570
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,560
She still has her handcuffs. 
OK? 

571
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,760
I'm just going to tell you right
now. 

572
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,680
All right. 
That's what I'm looking forward 

573
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,520
to, I'm telling you. 
You know, folks, we through the 

574
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,280
years, especially on Duke Club's
wrestling, Vito has just been an

575
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,480
awesome, awesome guest. 
He and I have shared so many 

576
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,440
wonderful conversations online 
and offline and, and 

577
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,760
legitimately this is one of my 
my true friends in life. 

578
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,760
I really appreciate Vito and 
Noel very much, which is why I 

579
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:53,760
was very disturbed, quite 
frankly, at some recent behavior

580
00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:00,240
from someone who I have covered 
before, a guy by the name of 

581
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,360
Eric Sims, who is a vendor in 
the wrestling industry. 

582
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,720
I guess that's the best way to 
describe Eric. 

583
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,480
He's a vendor. 
He sells memorabilia and he'll 

584
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,920
book wrestlers to either do 
virtual events where they sign 

585
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,280
autographs on on things or he'll
actually bring them out to 

586
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,160
events to do signings and what 
have you. 

587
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,920
Eric's been at it for for years 
and everyone knows who Eric is 

588
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,840
because of that. 
And he's a pretty polarizing 

589
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,760
guy. 
You know, a lot of people do 

590
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,600
business with him and Vito has 
done business with Eric through 

591
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,840
the years. 
But there are a lot of people 

592
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,160
who are not too happy with Eric 
because of his business 

593
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,520
practices and and really his 
temperament, the way that he 

594
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,240
treats people, which is not 
always savory, for lack of a 

595
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,600
better term. 
So a lot of folks who have 

596
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,040
listened to my shows through the
years, Vito, they were alarmed 

597
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,480
when they saw some a series of 
posts from Eric Sims. 

598
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,160
And this has been going on for 
weeks now in which Eric has 

599
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:15,760
disparaged you and your family. 
Eric has said a lot of things 

600
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,040
that I know for a fact are not 
true. 

601
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,679
Let's just call it what it is. 
I know it's not true. 

602
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:27,560
And I will say, at least from my
perspective, it looks like Eric 

603
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,280
has taken a turn for the worse 
now where he has made some 

604
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,120
threats. 
And it's scary for me as a 

605
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,840
friend of yours and as somebody 
who respects the wrestling 

606
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,480
industry and respects all of you
folks who have sacrificed so 

607
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,679
much to entertain us as fans. 
And knowing you personally veto 

608
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,000
to this day, the sacrifices that
you make for your family and for

609
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,120
the fans just to deliver on a 
great experience every chance 

610
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,240
you get. 
It is disturbing that this guy 

611
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:09,280
who's best known for being 
slapped by the iron Sheik over 

612
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,160
not communicating properly and, 
and, and, you know, 

613
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,080
disrespecting the Sheik, quite 
frankly, this same guy is out 

614
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,920
here threatening you and your 
family essentially. 

615
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:31,320
So I know that this has has made
a turn to the legal field and I 

616
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,520
know there are certain 
parameters where you can't touch

617
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,360
upon for legal reasons. 
And I, I'm not trying to drive 

618
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,560
that. 
We're not going to go in that 

619
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,600
direction per SE, but just from 
a general standpoint, based on 

620
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,360
what you can say right now, how 
are you feeling? 

621
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,600
I, I mean, are you folks are, 
are right, especially given the,

622
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,000
the threats that this guy's been
making recently. 

623
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,120
Well, dude, I'll tell you, it's 
been very hard. 

624
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:05,680
And you know, this started out 
where a friend of mine, Tracy 

625
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,120
Smothers, had passed, was in a 
hospital bed. 

626
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,920
Mr. Sims had sent him photos to 
sign on his deathbed. 

627
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,160
I didn't take kindly to that. 
And that's where the first thing

628
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,080
started, and I outed him online 
for it. 

629
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,920
So he settled that. 
And then a gentleman who's 

630
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,880
another friend of mine, Mantar, 
died in the early mornings. 

631
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,880
And like about 8:00 or 9:00 AM, 
Eric came on his, his Facebook 

632
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,000
and he says, hey, who would you 
like to see on my show? 

633
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,520
Because he had a booking and 
Mantar was booked. 

634
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,880
Mantar is not going to be able 
to make it very insensitive, 

635
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,080
immoral, very, very heartless. 
I stood up for my friend. 

636
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,280
I said that was that was low, 
you know, and Mr. Sims has had a

637
00:36:54,280 --> 00:37:00,480
habit of praying on people's 
hardships and trying to act like

638
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,640
a savior, But in the end, he's 
looking to line his pockets as 

639
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,760
best as can be. 
When it comes to my wife and I. 

640
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,960
I came back to wrestling because
I'm trying to pay medical bills 

641
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,080
and everybody knows this. 
And I started wrestling again, 

642
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,880
you know, I couldn't work. 
And she had major surgery. 

643
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:26,320
Eric knew about this. 
So, you know, he, he booked me 

644
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,920
on a show and you know, it 
turned out to be one of the 

645
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,840
worst decisions I ever made in 
my life. 

646
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,120
I'd go to the show. 
I was in an airport just to give

647
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,720
you guys an outline and how the 
weekend started. 

648
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,080
I was in, I was in the weekend. 
I was in the airport for like 10

649
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,960
hours. 
I get to the hotel by 11:00. 

650
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:59,040
I hadn't eaten nothing. 
And he says, well, everything is

651
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,280
closed. 
So I go to, I go to 711. 

652
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,600
I get a couple of monsters. 
I didn't eat anything because I 

653
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,400
don't like to eat when I travel.
Get to the hotel. 

654
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,120
All right, Why don't you come up
and sign some photos? 

655
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,360
I told him no. 
I said I just spent 10 hours 

656
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,320
traveling. 
I didn't eat. 

657
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,640
I went upstairs. 
He comes upstairs. 

658
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,200
Oh, well, you know, I'm, I'm 
looking to get you something to 

659
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,240
eat and take care of you, make 
sure you're all right, and then 

660
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,800
maybe you could sign some 
photos. 

661
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,640
I said I am not signing no 
photos. 

662
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,680
You told me there was no food. 
So I knew the weekend was going 

663
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:43,240
to start bad, you know, And 
quite frankly, I had a bad 

664
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:45,360
feeling in my stomach when this 
happened. 

665
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:51,760
So the next day, 9:00 I show up 
for photo OPS in a separate 

666
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:58,040
gimmick Escolvancrush, you know,
and I fulfill my obligations by 

667
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:03,040
signing his memorabilia, his 
signing his photos because I was

668
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:09,360
there to sign his photos only 
not sign any other vendors 

669
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:16,040
photos or a merchandise. 
So the next day, that day Johnny

670
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,320
the bull text me, he said, you 
know, I'm not going to be able 

671
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,200
to make it. 
Now, the only reason Johnny was 

672
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,440
coming was because he was trying
to help me out because he knows 

673
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,600
that I've been, you know, 
struggling. 

674
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,760
Not because I can't pay my 
bills, not because I can't 

675
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,840
survive in the world and Eric 
Sims gave me a booking, but 

676
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,320
because I just had to pay 
medical bills and I have money 

677
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,680
in the bank. 
I'm good financially. 

678
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,200
I pay my bill. 
You never seen a big veto 

679
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,760
GoFundMe or me begging for money
online. 

680
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:53,160
And dude, you know, I sold all 
my memorabilia that I had and I 

681
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,000
didn't mind doing it because a 
family man takes care of his 

682
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:03,840
family by any means and costs, 
which you know that so and I 

683
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,000
never, and you know, Duke and I 
are personal friends and I'm 

684
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:13,040
friends with Devon. 
Never once in the 10 years if I 

685
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,920
ever asked any one of my friends
for a dollar. 

686
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,320
And Duke and Devon could always 
say that no, Vito's a stand up 

687
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,000
guy, takes care of his family, 
never came to me begging, 

688
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,280
nothing. 
Never once so Johnny the bull 

689
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,440
text be I'm not going to be able
to make it because I have a 

690
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,200
family emergency. 
OK, I understand. 

691
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,560
I tell Eric change the whole 
demeanor of the weekend. 

692
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,080
All of a sudden he was unhappy, 
mean. 

693
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,440
The first thing I he says to me 
is I'm sunk. 

694
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,680
Val Venus was sitting right next
to me along with his partner 

695
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,720
Richie. 
Now what people don't know is 

696
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:03,240
Richie acts as the Gopher, but 
Richie actually is the silent 

697
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:05,440
partner and the money guy for 
Eric Sims. 

698
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:11,040
But he allows Eric to treat him 
shabbily, humiliate him in 

699
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,160
public. 
Now, if I was a partner to 

700
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,640
somebody, he ain't talking to me
like that or went better, yet 

701
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,920
you're never talking to me like 
that in public because it just 

702
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,760
ain't happening. 
So we go to lunch that day. 

703
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,560
I'm going to tell everybody Val 
Venus and I made Eric Sims money

704
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,400
on that day. 
So we finally go to lunch and I 

705
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,800
still haven't eaten yet. 
From the day before. 

706
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:44,680
We go to a sushi buffet. 
Everybody eats the happy Eric 

707
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,640
gets the bill. 
It's $150.00 again. 

708
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,240
He turns more miserable, it's 
$150.00. 

709
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:59,280
So we go to the next day. 
I get down there and he has a 

710
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,040
face on and it's going to be a 
terrible day. 

711
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:10,800
Not only is he miserable, but he
humiliates his partner Richie. 

712
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:18,040
He does it in front of Bill 
Hazelwood, who's the MC for T 

713
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,400
Mark Promotions. 
Someone who can give credibility

714
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:30,680
to everything that I am saying. 
The rest of the day he's just a 

715
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:37,200
miserable human being. 
And then he has a fight with the

716
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,360
photographer who was in the room
doing photo OPS. 

717
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:48,880
Then he has a fight with the 
vendor who was bringing in Big 

718
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,320
Sal and Tony Mameluke. 
Now, grant you, this is kind of 

719
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,680
strange. 
We're supposed to be doing AFBR 

720
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,880
reunion, but everybody's sitting
at separate tables, so it was 

721
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,840
kind of stupid. 
So come the end of the day, I've

722
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:11,800
fulfilled my obligation to Eric 
Sims by signing all his photos. 

723
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:17,320
Now, when you say sign photos, 
guys come up with 100, maybe 

724
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,440
150. 
I signed 300 photos. 

725
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,400
Talk about somebody taking 
advantage. 

726
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:32,440
But I am a quality person. 
Anybody who books me and Dukes, 

727
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,240
you notice for a fact, anybody 
who books me, anybody who does 

728
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,880
business with me, anybody who 
has anything to do with me in 

729
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,520
the professional wrestling 
business, Veto is one of the 

730
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,280
most professional human beings 
that ever stepped foot in the 

731
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,080
wrestling business. 
I dress like 1,000,000 bucks and

732
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,480
then when I'm not in doing my 
signing, I dress down. 

733
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,360
I still look like 1,000,000 
bucks. 

734
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,880
I'm humble to fans, I'm humble 
to vendors, I'm humble to 

735
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,600
everybody out there. 
And anybody who knows me knows 

736
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:13,280
that when it comes to wrestling,
I give 150% every time because I

737
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,200
do have a secret love and 
passion for wrestling and a 

738
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,600
respect for all the people who 
took the time to teach me. 

739
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,840
And it would be a slap in the 
face to them for me to act like 

740
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:29,480
an ass because those guys, those
superstars, those greats pass 

741
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,680
the torch to me in letting me be
in the business and teaching me 

742
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,600
wrestling one-on-one. 
So come the end of the day, it's

743
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,120
still 226. 
Everybody is PO is closing up 

744
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,440
shop. 
Eric asked me to sign some 

745
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Shinsky boards and some more 
stuff. 

746
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,360
I said Eric, I'm done. 
I said I'm not signing anything 

747
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,400
else for other vendors. 
It's not our deal so you can 

748
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,720
make extra money. 
I fulfilled my obligation to 

749
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,400
you, Eric. 
I'd like to get paid. 

750
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,640
He starts to pay in front of 
Bill Hazelwood and a few other 

751
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,840
people who was sitting there. 
I said, Eric, I said you're not 

752
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,000
going to pay me in front of 
anybody. 

753
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,720
I said we are going to go to a 
private room. 

754
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,440
We go to the private room. 
I make sure the other person 

755
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,000
leaves and it's just Eric and I 
sitting in that private room. 

756
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,480
I let him know strongly how he 
treated me like garbage. 

757
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,400
He made the he made the weekend 
miserable, I said, and I wasn't 

758
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,360
taking it anymore. 
I would like to get paid. 

759
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,440
Now, mind you, on this podcast, 
he went on and ranted and raved 

760
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,560
on me. 
He said it almost came to blows.

761
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,520
No, I spoke strongly and Eric 
sat there quiet, didn't say a 

762
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,560
word. 
So I come out after I get paid 

763
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,000
and I said he says, OK, let's go
to lunch. 

764
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:16,960
I said, Eric, I say, would it be
OK if you gave me if I could do 

765
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,000
lunch later because I have to 
wrestle? 

766
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,840
He says, fine, that's no 
problem. 

767
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,040
When he went on and said on the 
podcast, it's like total 

768
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,920
nonsense. 
So I I go and wrestle for 

769
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,680
teamwork. 
I have a great match. 

770
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:39,040
It's documented what old school,
what old school tradition was 

771
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,040
like from people like Barbara 
Goodish who I met, Karen 

772
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,800
McDaniel and a lot of the other 
people like Bill Hazelwood and 

773
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,160
the Southern wrestling 
community. 

774
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:58,400
How great it was to see old 
school psychology in wrestling. 

775
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,680
So I ended the night on a 
pleasant night. 

776
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:05,400
Eric had left. 
Here comes the day where I got 

777
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,200
to go home. 
So there was a storm back home. 

778
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,440
And everybody knows I live in 
Florida and my wife is alone. 

779
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:19,320
She's she's scared because she's
she has her health issues. 

780
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,360
So flight cancels. 
Now the driver Paul takes me to 

781
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,760
the airport after I asked Eric 
about 50 times can I have the 

782
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,880
name and number for this guy, 
which he didn't do until like 

783
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,800
8:00 or 9:00 at night. 
So the gentleman Paul was so 

784
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,440
nice and polite, takes me to the
airport, flight is cancelled. 

785
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,280
I called Paul, I said Paul, 
flight is cancelled, comes back 

786
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,040
and picks me up. 
Now when I left the hotel, I 

787
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,840
asked Rebecca who was the host 
behind the desk at the Hilton, 

788
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,320
please keep my room open because
I might be, I might have to 

789
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,720
stay. 
She gives Vito. 

790
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,120
No problem. 
She was also a big wrestling fan

791
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,320
of mine. 
She said, Vito, I'll help you 

792
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,720
out as any way I can get back to
the hotel. 

793
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,760
I had already let Eric know that
the flight is cancelled. 

794
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,160
He calls up the hotel and tells 
Rebecca word for word. 

795
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,600
Don't let him use my credit 
card. 

796
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,720
He's got to pay for his own 
room. 

797
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:29,320
Now, when you're a guest by a 
vendor, the vendor is 

798
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:34,680
responsible for you getting you 
there and getting your hotel and

799
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,440
getting you home and paying for 
your hotel. 

800
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:49,680
So I go back to the hotel and 
we're sitting there and we're 

801
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,640
trying to figure out Eric is not
answering his phone. 

802
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,600
I call his partner Richie. 
He tells me Eric is not picking 

803
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,600
up the phone. 
Now my wife then texted me and 

804
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,720
said what's going on, why is 
there a problem? 

805
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:14,360
Paul, the driver for Team Art 
Promotions puts the hotel on his

806
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:22,040
credit card. 
I repeat people a driver that's 

807
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,720
not has nothing to do with me 
being a guest. 

808
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:29,040
We had alerted T Mart Promotions
that I was staying on. 

809
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,800
He said he is a guest of Eric 
Sims. 

810
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,640
I'm not responsible to pay for 
his hotel, which is right. 

811
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,920
We finally get Eric on the 
phone. 

812
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:46,560
I give the the phone to Paul. 
He says listen, I got Vito a 

813
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,240
hotel. 
I pay for it. 

814
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,520
Make this right. 
The hotel was not the same 

815
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,360
Hilton that I stayed at, but I 
had to go to another hotel 

816
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:04,200
because Eric didn't want to pay 
a $40 fee for an Uber driver to 

817
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:10,280
get me back to the airport. 
He also stated in this podcast 

818
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,920
he could have got me home on a 
Monday but made me stay over on 

819
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,000
a Tuesday. 
All because Johnny the Bolt 

820
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,120
didn't show up and he didn't get
what he wanted and make the 

821
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,480
money he wanted. 
He lost money. 

822
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:35,760
So once this is all settled, he 
gets on the phone with my wife. 

823
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,360
Well, he can go to the desk and 
get a voucher. 

824
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:46,640
When someone buys a ticket for 
you guys, the refund goes back 

825
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,400
to the person who buys the 
ticket. 

826
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,200
The voucher also goes back to 
the person who buys the ticket. 

827
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,800
It wouldn't go in my name, it 
would go in Eric's name. 

828
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,600
So I was stuck. 
The fact that I had to spend 2 

829
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,400
days out there with no ride. 
I was in the middle of nowhere 

830
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,360
with nowhere to get food, 
grocery store, nothing. 

831
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:16,640
It was tough. 
My wife is upset and she's home 

832
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,160
alone during this storm in 
Florida which was a big storm 

833
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:26,920
that was documented. 
So I finally get home and the 

834
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:33,200
next day Richie the so-called 
silent partner calls me and says

835
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,920
Vito can you help me out? 
I said what's up? 

836
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,040
He said well I'm partners with 
Eric on this and I lost $1100. 

837
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,320
Can you call Johnny the bull to 
sign this? 

838
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:50,920
I said you have the gall and the
audacity to ask me to do this 

839
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:57,120
after him treating me like shit.
He says I just thought I'd ask 

840
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:04,640
you no problem, fine. 
Eric goes on a podcast with 

841
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,920
Monty and the Pharaoh, his 
buddies now. 

842
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:12,360
He used a platform out of his 
friendship with these guys, not 

843
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,000
knowing what had transpired the 
whole weekend. 

844
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,840
So of course they took his side.
That's fine. 

845
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,080
Eric badmouthed me, tried to 
humiliate me, selling my 

846
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,360
pictures online for a dollar, 
trying to devalue me, which has 

847
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,440
led to other stuff that's going 
on behind the scenes. 

848
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:42,120
So he started calling vendors, 
saying not to book Vito because 

849
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,720
he's a prima Donna. 
I get a call from Dylan Hines, 

850
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,120
which everybody knows is Bobby 
Fulton's son. 

851
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,000
Now, what people don't know 
behind the scenes about Dylan 

852
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,600
Fulton is when he was going 
through the roughest time of his

853
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,240
life and everybody knows he was 
going through a rough time. 

854
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,840
I called him. 
I said, hey man, what's going 

855
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,160
on? 
Not looking for a booking, not 

856
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,880
looking to be get anything out 
of him, but the guy looks. 

857
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,680
The guy looked in bad shape and 
he was having a rough time. 

858
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,560
I called him, I talked to him 
like a mentor and like a friend 

859
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,960
and I became friends with him. 
And I wasn't asking him for 

860
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,720
anything. 
You just see somebody online, 

861
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,200
you're in stress. 
And I've done this and Duke can 

862
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,040
vouch for me. 
I have helped many of the boys 

863
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,160
in this business when they were 
on the seat of their pants and 

864
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,600
who goes to pick them up of Vito
Lagrasso. 

865
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,200
I saw somebody having a rough 
time and I want to help this 

866
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,320
gentleman also. 
He tells me Vito, he calls me 

867
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,640
Vito, can you do me a favor? 
I said what can you sign these 

868
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,800
Johnny the Bull pigs who would 
help? 

869
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:58,800
I said absolutely not. 
I says he already did a podcast 

870
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,880
and he buried me, why would I do
anything for him? 

871
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,880
He says I totally understand, 
Eric asked me to call you. 

872
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,800
So Eric asked his partner to 
call. 

873
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,160
He asked Dylan Hines to call. 
The gist of it is Johnny the 

874
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,320
Bull told him I'm not signing 
nothing until you make right by 

875
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:25,400
veto for your actions. 
All he had to do was pick up the

876
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,120
phone and apologize. 
This thing would have been over 

877
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,600
with but this thing escalated 
into something that is so 

878
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,560
ridiculous for 56 year old man 
that it makes me sick. 

879
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,640
And to think that wrestling is a
make believe world and is not 

880
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,840
real life. 
And you go on your Facebook page

881
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,640
and you post stupidity and then 
you get with your cronies who 

882
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,280
listen to one side of the story 
and they boast about this guys 

883
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,400
real life comes out. 
Eventually the truth comes out. 

884
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,200
This has gone further than just 
real life. 

885
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,680
There's a threat online, There's
some other things online, and 

886
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,920
Duke, I'll let you handle it 
from here because I haven't 

887
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:19,520
heard your wonderful voice. 
I mean, it's, it's, it's 

888
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,400
troubling. 
And like I said, the, the series

889
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,520
of posts that Eric has made, 
he's making reference to 

890
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,880
murdering somebody, which is 
disturbing, you know what I 

891
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,640
mean? 
And, and, and I again, I, I 

892
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:43,680
understand that on Thursday the 
29th on your TikTok channel, and

893
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,080
that's at the big veto brand on 
TikTok. 

894
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,480
I know that you're going to be 
doing a live stream where you're

895
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,920
going to be going even more in 
depth about some of this stuff 

896
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,160
and, and how it's affected you 
and your family from an 

897
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,480
emotional standpoint and even 
from a safety standpoint. 

898
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,080
The concern here. 
But I guess the main, the main 

899
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,200
thing that I, I want to know 
Vito is how should the fans 

900
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,840
interpret what the heck is going
on with right now? 

901
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,000
This guy is burying you. 
He's he's disparaging your 

902
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,960
brand, he's threatening you and 
your family safety. 

903
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,960
What's the biggest take away 
that the fans should have about 

904
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:29,960
all this mess? 
Well, now that I've I have, I 

905
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,840
have waited to make a statement 
and people have been wondering 

906
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:40,040
why I have not made a statement.
I have gone beyond Facebook, 

907
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,880
Twitter, social media to handle 
this in a legal matter. 

908
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:50,600
What people who participated in 
this slander are going to be 

909
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,240
held accountable. 
And I say this as a scholar and 

910
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,400
a gentleman. 
And in a business sense, you 

911
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,320
don't do things like this to 
people who complete their 

912
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,600
business transaction with you, 
which I have receipts in text 

913
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,640
messages that Vito did fulfill 
his obligations. 

914
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,280
So Vito fulfilled his 
obligations. 

915
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,160
Why did you go to these great 
lengths to humiliate me, devalue

916
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:24,160
me and do all these things, 
especially with podcasters who 

917
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:30,280
don't know the whole story? 
So he, Eric, put them in 

918
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,840
jeopardy as well, as well as the
sponsor for the show. 

919
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,320
Everybody's going to be held 
accountable. 

920
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,440
So if I was the people who are 
associated with Eric after 

921
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,160
listening to this and tomorrow, 
I would be pretty angry at Eric 

922
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,040
because I'm sure Eric didn't 
tell them the whole truth and 

923
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,960
nothing but the truth. 
And this thing is LED into a big

924
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:02,040
giant facade. 
And for what? 

925
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:10,800
Unsigned photos, folks. 
Well said. 

926
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,120
Well said again. 
Check out Veto stream on TikTok 

927
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:21,080
at the big Veto brand tomorrow. 
What what time should folks tune

928
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:27,560
in for that There Vito on on the
29th SO2O clock. 

929
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,880
Now listen, if you miss it, 
that's OK. 

930
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,440
We understand people got things 
to do and all that good stuff 

931
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,440
there. 
Not everyone's going to be 

932
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,880
available at the same time. 
So keep an eye on on the big 

933
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,280
Vito brand on Facebook, on 
Twitter as well, because there 

934
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,720
will be specific snippets and 
what have you that'll be 

935
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,080
released after the main live 
stream. 

936
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,480
But the main point is this, and 
I'm just going to speak pretty 

937
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,200
frank to everybody out there. 
Everyone out there is is doing 

938
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,000
what they can to survive on this
planet. 

939
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,800
And it is horrific that anyone 
would think it's acceptable to 

940
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,320
threaten the lives of others, 
especially over something so 

941
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,320
trivial and ridiculous. 
You're upset because another guy

942
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:21,920
wasn't able to make a booking? 
Come on, Eric Sims, come on, 

943
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,760
man. 
And you go on some podcast, 

944
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,120
which I'm not even going to give
those guys any promo and mention

945
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,760
them because I I'm a little 
disappointed in them as well. 

946
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,160
It's just ridiculous the way 
that there's such a lack of 

947
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,680
respect and professionalism. 
And it makes me question just 

948
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,280
how much these folks care about 
pro wrestling as an industry, 

949
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,760
about pro wrestlers and, and 
really about Veto. 

950
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,880
It's clear that you don't. 
And to take it to that next 

951
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,320
level where you're threatening 
people's lives. 

952
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,400
And Vito's going to talk more 
about that on, on his stream on 

953
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,160
the 29th, once again, 2:00 PM 
Eastern Standard Time, the big 

954
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,360
Veto brand on Tiktok. 
He's going to talk a little bit 

955
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,160
more about the threats and, and,
and the implications of that. 

956
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,280
I just don't understand how you 
guys think you're going to get 

957
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:18,920
away with this stuff because I'm
going to tell you right now 

958
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:26,240
going the legal route makes 
sense and who knows what that 

959
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,560
means for all of you. 
So I hope you have your ducks in

960
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,480
a row, folks, you and are in the
pot that you pissing. 

961
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,880
I hope you have your ducks in a 
row because you're you're, 

962
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,240
you're sacrificing it when you 
do these things. 

963
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:47,280
And back to Eric Sims in 
particular, you really, really, 

964
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,160
in my opinion, you really need 
to take a, a long look at 

965
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,040
yourself in the mirror, brother.
You, you keep having these 

966
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:59,720
issues where it's clear that you
do not respect the wrestlers. 

967
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,480
I don't even know if you respect
yourself, Eric. 

968
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,160
And you and I have had 
conversations personally and it 

969
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,800
all amounts to the same thing. 
There is just something 

970
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,960
disturbing about you, brother. 
It's wrong. 

971
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,720
And again, to be threatening 
people and their family and 

972
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,360
disparage them to try to hurt 
their brand. 

973
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,120
I mean, let's, let's call it 
what it is, right? 

974
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,880
I don't know how you think 
you're going to get away with it

975
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,640
the way that you've been 
carrying on, but we'll see. 

976
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,000
And from a legal perspective, 
good luck to you. 

977
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,040
You're going to need it. 
So I'm going to I'm going to 

978
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,840
leave it there for now and table
that because I really want folks

979
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,680
to check out Vito stream on his 
TikTok at the big Vito brand, 

980
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,920
2:00 PM Eastern Standard Time 
29th of August. 

981
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,480
If you miss it, keep an eye out 
on all the social medias the big

982
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,120
Vito brand, because they they 
will be chopping it up and 

983
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,160
making sure that the pertinent 
information is out there for 

984
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,240
everyone to consume. 
So you know, Vito, my heart goes

985
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,240
out to you and, and, and your 
lovely wife and the kids, the 

986
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,720
whole 9 yards, even the, the, 
the, the pets, the whole 9 yards

987
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,360
there man. 
I just hope that you folks stay 

988
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,880
safe. 
I don't know a more stand up guy

989
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,080
in wrestling than you. 
You've always been nothing but 

990
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,000
professional. 
I've had countless talks with 

991
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,960
fans, with vendors, with 
convention owners, and it's been

992
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,800
nothing but positive when it 
comes to Big Beatle Lagrasso. 

993
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,080
You know, Eric Bischoff was just
on the show not too long ago 

994
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,640
putting you over about, you 
know, how how incredible that 

995
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,120
you addressed and how 
professional you are and the 

996
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,360
whole 9 yards. 
Of course, Devon has put you 

997
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,440
over here on the show, Devon and
the Duke, the whole 9 yards. 

998
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:47,280
You're, you're a guy that exudes
class and sophistication and 

999
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:52,160
respect. 
So for anyone to mistreat you, 

1000
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,640
it's just ridiculous and it's 
not right. 

1001
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,360
And somebody needs to stand up 
and say something about it. 

1002
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,320
And that's exactly why, you 
know, I'm glad to have you here 

1003
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,400
on the show to, to, you know, 
open up a little bit about it. 

1004
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,800
And of course, folks can check 
out your platform to get the 

1005
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,800
rest of the story. 
But all I can say is hang in 

1006
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,320
there, my friend, because, you 
know, God doesn't make mistakes.

1007
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:22,080
And certainly, certainly every 
action will result in a 

1008
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,200
reaction. 
And in this case, from a legal 

1009
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:30,480
perspective, I can't wait to see
the reaction, and I'm going to 

1010
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,200
leave it at that. 
Vito, you can have the last word

1011
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,480
bro. 
I just want to thank everybody 

1012
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:41,920
here at Devon on the Duke and my
two friends for having me come 

1013
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,400
on the show today and speak and 
be able to make of my first 

1014
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,040
statement since this whole thing
has happened. 

1015
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,640
Coming on here as a gentleman 
and a professional means more to

1016
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,640
me than anything. 
And for the people who know me 

1017
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,920
out there, they know me as just 
that. 

1018
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:07,480
And it's just very sad that this
has happened over something so 

1019
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:15,320
minute as photos because someone
didn't make enough money is just

1020
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,560
is beyond belief because 
everybody struggles in this 

1021
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,800
world, you know, and everybody 
has hardships. 

1022
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,240
You might not know about their 
hardships, you know, from 

1023
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,360
Facebook or behind closed doors.
But, you know, I've been 

1024
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,120
standing tall for a long time. 
They've been trying to knock me 

1025
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,360
down. 
And I keep getting up, you know 

1026
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,120
what I mean? 
And I just look at people and I 

1027
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,240
just, you know, I handle life as
it comes. 

1028
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:48,760
But if they ever put me in A 
room and I had to fight my way 

1029
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,200
out of it, and they say if, you 
know, it's life and death, could

1030
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,800
you do it? 
I put my money on me. 

1031
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,720
So I'll leave you guys with 
that, you know, and I got no 

1032
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,720
qualms about saying that I'm 
going to keep on chucking, keep 

1033
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,920
on moving, you know, take care 
of the olive oil business, you 

1034
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:17,640
know, and see my gumads on 
Thursday night, Tony Stevani. 

1035
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,280
And we're desperately out of 
time on Duke Love Wrestling.