1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,640 You know, Devon, I know that everyone is waiting with bated 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,119 breath to hear what you have to say about the big announcement 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,800 that we're going to get one more time. 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,240 Probably the last time in history, the Dudley Boys versus 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,040 the Hardy Boys in TNA. What's your prediction for that 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,120 match? Prediction Pain. 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,040 Tails knock you off your seat, TuneIn. 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:38,360 Now don't you be late wrestling. Punk has never felt this great. 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,320 Tails, ladders, chairs, they tell it all. 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,640 From the highest highs to the lowest fall. 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,560 Great glory. Tails from the ring, every 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,800 chain, every cheer. They'll bring team One and the 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:02,800 two bring the heat. Wrestling tales knock you off 14 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:06,320 your seat, TuneIn. Now don't you be late. 15 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:08,440 Wrestling podcast never felt this crazy. 16 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,720 Brothers and sisters, it is with a heavy heart that I announce 17 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:25,800 that on Thursday, the 24th of July 2025, the immortal Hulk 18 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:33,920 Hogan took his last breath. Condolences to family, friends 19 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,480 and fellow fans out there. This is absolutely one of the 20 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,040 most traumatic and impactful losses that we've had probably 21 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,280 in our lifetime as it relates to pro wrestling. 22 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:50,800 So definitely my heart goes out to everyone out there and 23 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,920 really, you know, here on Devon and the Duke, the the honor of 24 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,560 being able to do a show with the Hall of Famer who grew up as a 25 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:07,040 wrestling fan and somebody who was great friends with Hulk 26 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,200 Hogan. It's it's tricky here to do this 27 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,400 episode because I know that it's pretty emotional. 28 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,520 So I I want to give a disclaimer for everyone. 29 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,520 This is not going to be a long one, but it is going to be 30 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,520 heartfelt, so just bear with me here. 31 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,840 So without further ado, my brother, the Hall of Famer 32 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,880 himself, the five time Hall of Famer, Devon Dudley. 33 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,680 How you holding up there man? I'm doing all right, you know, 34 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,120 hanging in there it, it was complete surreal and just 35 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,120 unbelievable. You know, we all have to go, we 36 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,400 all have to go to that other side. 37 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:55,480 And but when it happens, there's someone like this, it just seems 38 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,600 to be surreal, like you just can't believe it's happening. 39 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:05,720 You're always caught off guard. And I think this caught everyone 40 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,760 off guard because this is something that they weren't 41 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,000 really ready for. You had Malcolm Jamal Warner, 42 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:19,840 God rest his soul, and the drowning, you know, that caught 43 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,480 people, you know, for shock a little bit, and then Ozzy 44 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:28,240 Osbourne and now Hulk Hogan. You know, they all say they go 45 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,760 in threes. And I hate that saying. 46 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,160 And I say that because everybody's panicking. 47 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,680 Who's next? You know, when there's like the 48 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,000 first one or the second one, you know, there's a third one. 49 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,280 But if you really think about it, when people make that 50 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,760 statement, it's not that they go in threes. 51 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,800 It just happens to be somebody in the celebrity world that 52 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,200 goes, you know, if they go in three. 53 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,120 But I mean, that's just the way it is. 54 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,200 You know, Hulk Hogan was a bigger than life superstar. 55 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,560 I mean, he was bigger than the business. 56 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,840 I'm sorry, some people say no one person was bigger than the 57 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:15,520 business, but Hogan was. Hogan was the man that drew 58 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,079 asses and seats. You know, if it wasn't for 59 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:26,520 Hogan, none of us would be here talking about pro wrestling. 60 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:32,480 The collaboration between him and Vince McMahon in the 80s was 61 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,280 just unreal. It it came at the perfect time 62 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:40,040 and when that collaboration happened and Hogan came back and 63 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:46,440 left the AWA, it just Hulk Mania blew up and you can't deny that. 64 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,000 Not to mention, you know what he did in the AWA with Vern Gunya, 65 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,640 That's where it all started. People think it started with 66 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,800 Vince and Hogan and WWF, but it actually started in the AWA. 67 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,840 He was selling out seats, ripping the T-shirt, that 68 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:06,400 charisma. It was all in the AWA. 69 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,480 But like I've said so many times, when you have a mind like 70 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,600 Vince McMahon expressly back then, and I'm sure with the help 71 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,800 of Pat Patterson, 'cause he was back then too, when you put 72 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,160 those minds together, Hulk of Mania went to another level. 73 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,000 And that was just something that Vernon in and the AWA didn't 74 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,160 have at that time. He didn't have that. 75 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,560 I mean, he was very good and knowledgeable in what he did and 76 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,840 where he bought the AWA, but to have those other people backing 77 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:42,560 you and giving you ideas and stories for your character and 78 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,840 everything like that, he didn't pretty much have that. 79 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:49,080 What Vince had, you know, he had those people behind him that was 80 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,680 able to elevate and push Hogan to that level. 81 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:58,760 The first, you know, time I remember being Hogan was in 82 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,960 Rocky three. He did Rocky 3 and I remember 83 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:07,320 seeing him going, man, he looks familiar because as a kid, even 84 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,360 though in 1977 when I first started watching wrestling, you 85 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:18,360 know, I didn't really know wrestling like I did as I got 86 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,360 older into my teen years and stuff like that. 87 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,320 So when I turned it on and I saw it, I didn't know what I was 88 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:29,280 watching. I didn't know the people that I 89 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,440 was looking at. So I'm sure I might have seen 90 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Hogan here and there. That's why he looks so familiar 91 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,400 when I saw him in Rocky three, especially when Hogan took on 92 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,720 Andre Shea Stadium. I remember at one point that I 93 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,280 remember they because it was such a big draw for them at that 94 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:52,120 time that they kept replaying it over and over again, sometimes 95 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,040 in little videos and stuff like that back then. 96 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,840 And so that's probably how and why he looks so familiar. 97 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:02,280 Rocky 3. And because everybody knows my 98 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:05,880 story with Rocky 3, how I basically my characters built 99 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,000 off of Mr. T. For me, it's one of the greatest 100 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,880 Rockies of all time. And it was the one that drew the 101 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:21,320 most money as well. I, I just remember seeing him 102 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,280 and going, good God, this is incredible. 103 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,200 You know, as a kid, I remember watching it in the movie theater 104 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,680 and then every chance I got, I wanted to watch it on VHS tape 105 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,840 or HBO, you know, or another one that a lot of people may not 106 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,400 remember only well, I know this new, I know this generation 107 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,880 wouldn't remember, but there was another cable station called WHT 108 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:52,000 those that was like HBO rivalry. And you either had one or the 109 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,800 other, unless you were rich, you had both. 110 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,800 But I remember trying to watch it every chance I got when it 111 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,280 was on HBO or like I said, WHT it was. 112 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,680 It was something that to me was special. 113 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,680 The best of Stallone casting Hulk Hogan at that time probably 114 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,040 didn't realize how what he was doing for professional 115 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:19,600 wrestling. Hogan again, to me was a bigger 116 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,280 than life star. He just basically was everything 117 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,800 that pro wrestling needed at that time. 118 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:37,159 Nobody drew more money back in the 80s, even in the 90s then 119 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,280 Hulk Hogan. I'm sorry, I I firmly believe 120 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,799 that because think about it, he didn't have social media. 121 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,640 He didn't have none of that to help him. 122 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,200 He did it all on his back with everybody else that was in the 123 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,320 company. And Vince McMahon, you know, he 124 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,880 didn't. He broke records that I don't 125 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,840 think anybody could have done. And Ric Flair said it best. 126 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,960 He was the biggest star. And if that comes from Mick 127 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,800 Flair, then he was, you know, that's Ric Flair putting Hogan 128 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:15,000 over, you know, even more than himself because everybody looks 129 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,760 at Ric Flair as being the greatest of all time with all of 130 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,880 his, you know, his catchphrases that he did back in the N.W.A, 131 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,440 all his promos and things like that, his matches with Dusty and 132 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,160 the list goes on and on. But even Flair, you know, pay 133 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,800 tribute to Hogan. And it was just one of those 134 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,880 things, man, where again, I am at a loss for words. 135 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,440 So I'm jumping all over the place with what I'm saying 136 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:48,080 because again, yet they say you don't want to meet your heroes. 137 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,120 I met him and was not disappointed. 138 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,480 There's going to be a lot of bad things that are said about 139 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,440 Hogan, especially because of the words that he used when he was 140 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,400 at his lowest. I didn't put anything up on 141 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:10,040 social media because of the haters that will sit there and 142 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:18,080 degrade him and put him down because of, you know, his when 143 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,240 he was at his darkest place and things like that. 144 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:29,120 Listen, the Bible says it best. He, he who's without sin, cast 145 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,120 the first stone. All those people out there, 146 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,320 they're saying negative stuff now that Hogan is no longer with 147 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,560 us. Look at yourself in the mirror. 148 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:45,080 What have you done in life that everybody could be proud of? 149 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,080 Or I should say, nobody would take offense to what you've done 150 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,600 because you can't. We, we all are guilty in one 151 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,400 way, shape or form of saying something, doing something that 152 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,200 wouldn't be appropriate or what have you. 153 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,320 I'm not condoning in any possible way what happened or 154 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,800 what was said at his lowest point because listen, I'm 155 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,320 African American. I get it, OK, If anybody gets 156 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,040 it, you know, us as African American people, we get it. 157 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,240 But at the same token, you cannot deny what this man has 158 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,760 done for this business. If it wasn't for Hulk Hogan, 159 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:31,480 there would be no WWE, there would be no AEW, there would be 160 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,080 no TNA, there would be none of this. 161 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,320 We wouldn't even be having this platform right now. 162 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,720 That what we're doing, we're able to still be relevant in 163 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,280 this business because of that man. 164 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,800 This business, the business right now is hot. 165 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,960 It's hotter than it's been in a long time. 166 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,360 And in my opinion, it never gets to that level. 167 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:04,000 If Hogan didn't do what he did back in the 80s, if Hogan didn't 168 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,200 generate what he generated, we wouldn't be here. 169 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,520 This would our world would probably be totally different. 170 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,720 There'd probably be no wrestling podcast. 171 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,480 There'll be no nothing wrestling probably anymore. 172 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:21,000 The way territories were dying out, you know, and how they 173 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,560 fizzled, not just because Vince McMahon went in there and you 174 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:28,960 know, rated all of the talent, but think about it. 175 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,280 Everything eventually folds in one way, shape or form. 176 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,160 Businesses, things that you never thought would go out of 177 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,280 business and things like that. It happens. 178 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,520 Who's to say that that wouldn't happen with the WWE and how 179 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:50,520 close it became so many times WrestleMania, the first one was 180 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,880 a hit or miss. If it would have missed, we 181 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,240 definitely wouldn't have been here. 182 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,160 WrestleMania 2, which I just found out from watching the 183 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,720 events documentary that some a lot of people can say that 184 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,600 WrestleMania 2 is being a flop in a sense because it didn't 185 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,600 draw the numbers or the ratings that the first WrestleMania did. 186 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,760 But then here comes WrestleMania 3 and who did that? 187 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,040 Hogan. The build up between Andre and 188 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:27,560 Hogan is something, if it's done right, it can be done again. 189 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:29,360 But I don't think it'll ever will be. 190 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,000 No one ever thought in a million years that Hogan would beat 191 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,280 Andre. They played that storyline to 192 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,800 AT-15 years being undefeated. Never once, Hogan, did you ever 193 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,440 give this man a title shot. Never once did you offer him 194 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,680 anything. The build up between Andre and 195 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:55,320 Hogan and with Bobby Heenan being the mouthpiece for Andre, 196 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,840 I mean, the three of them together, good God, you had to 197 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:04,880 be there during that time to feel what I'm feeling right now. 198 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,720 And again, I told you, I'm all over the place. 199 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,840 But let's go back to the to the early 80s when he first came in 200 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:18,360 the Rock and wrestling connection, the, the whole 201 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:23,000 collaboration with Cyndi Lauper and Dave Wolfe, Rick Derringer 202 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,680 and all of that. You know, you really had to be 203 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:33,760 there to understand what these guys were doing back then. 204 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,840 It was unreal. It was surreal. 205 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,480 It brought wrestling out of the closet and made it mainstream. 206 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,280 Captain Lou Albano, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Mr. Wonderful, Paul 207 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:53,280 Londorf, you know, Muhammad Ali, Liberace, you know, all of that. 208 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,000 All of those guys at the first Wrestle Mania just was 209 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,720 phenomenal. It'll never be forgotten. 210 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,760 I'm sorry, but it will never be duplicated. 211 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,360 It just won't. And as far as I'm concerned, 212 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:13,240 it's one of those things where, you know, those that were there 213 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,440 can reminisce and go back and remember where you were when 214 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,440 certain things happened during that time. 215 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,000 But this new generation will never, ever know what it was 216 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,800 like to deal with Hulkamania when it first came out. 217 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:36,840 Again, I refuse to go on social media to say anything about it 218 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,160 because it's something negative hate that I've seen out there 219 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,280 from some people, you know, still living, you know, in the 220 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,160 past about what he said or what he did. 221 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:53,600 Was Hulk Hogan a a stand up person all the time? 222 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,440 Maybe not. Are we all? 223 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,000 No. Again, there are things in our 224 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,600 lives that we're not happy, probably that we've done, but we 225 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,520 want forgiveness. Bubba said this best, too, as 226 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,080 well. He said when a guy, when someone 227 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:16,640 commits murder and he's convicted for 2530 years in 228 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,200 jail, when he gets out, he's given a new start. 229 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:28,880 He's given a new lease on life. Hogan never got that. 230 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,320 Some people say that what his remarks were when it got made 231 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,360 public, that there was not enough remorse or what have you. 232 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,120 OK, grant you, if that's how you feel, that's how you feel. 233 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,520 And I understand that, and I'm not denying how you should feel, 234 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,440 you know? But to denounce everything that 235 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:59,840 he's done and sweep underneath the rug is asinine. 236 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,280 There would be no Cody Rose. There would be no Rock. 237 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:11,200 There would be nobody that is big right now in pro wrestling 238 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,240 if it wasn't for Hogan. You know, Devon, you, you've, 239 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,200 you've nailed it on so many fronts and, and you're speaking 240 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,960 from the heart. So, so that you know, to say 241 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,240 that you're, you're all over the place. 242 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,119 No, you, you're, you're speaking directly from the heart man. 243 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,840 And it's, it's solid. It's also, it's the, the, The 244 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:38,320 thing is, we talked about Hulk Hogan and, and you know, the 245 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,120 racist things that he said and we expressed our feelings about 246 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:42,400 that. We talked about that earlier 247 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,720 this year. So folks, there's no confusion 248 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,040 about our position on that. With that set. 249 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:57,360 Devon, you touched upon a story, I think it was actually last 250 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,920 year when you did it, when we first started doing this Devon 251 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,600 and Duke show. You touched upon a story a 252 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,680 little bit, but offline, you and I, you know, you gave me a lot 253 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,680 more detail and what have you. So I'm going to, I'm going to 254 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,560 ask you to, to, to put this out online because this is not 255 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,560 something that most people know. Most people never heard this 256 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:21,160 before. You credit Hulk Hogan for being 257 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,800 a major help to you in TNA. And before you start to tell 258 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,840 that story, I, I want to, I want to set the stage for people out 259 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,320 there, especially the younger folks out there who may not know 260 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,320 the history. Devon Dudley and Bubba Ray 261 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,560 Dudley Dudley boys were, were already legends at ECW. 262 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,640 They already accomplished everything they could accomplish 263 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,120 there. They went to the WWE and became 264 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:49,120 legends in the WWE, right? TLC and all these different 265 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,520 things that they did working with The Rock, the whole 9 266 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,160 yards, they became WWE legends and basically cemented 267 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,880 themselves as future Hall of Farmers. 268 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,040 So they had already done all of that. 269 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:07,200 They signed the TNA and they go on a tear and TNA as well. 270 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,000 So now they become TNA legends, they go to Japan, become legends 271 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,480 in Japan, the whole 9 yards here as A tag team, they they pretty 272 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,680 much accomplished about as much as they could have at that 273 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,400 point. So you guys were split up in TNA 274 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,360 and Hulk Hogan had some influence over your career at 275 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:28,440 that point. So I'm going to, I'm going to 276 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,720 ask you, Devon, tell us the, tell us the TNA story and, and, 277 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,040 and what Hulk Hogan did for you just so folks can really 278 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,240 understand where you're coming from with all of your comments 279 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:45,560 there. Well, you know, back then when 280 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:50,200 me and Bubba slit up, it seemed like TNA, the powers that be 281 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:56,720 thought that I was washed up. I was done and they put me at 282 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,360 the wayside and they started pushing Bubba like there was no 283 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:02,400 tomorrow. And I couldn't understand for 284 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,800 the life of me why I did. I gained some weight, not 285 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,920 unhealthy, gained some weight and I wasn't moving his 286 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,640 whatever. But both of us were in that 287 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,000 pretty much that category. They gave Bubba the opportunity 288 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,080 to work and do what he was doing. 289 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,280 While he was in the process of losing the weight and developing 290 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,840 his persona as Bully Ray, they gave him the opportunity to do 291 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,920 that on camera while he was still relevant. 292 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,200 Where with me, they kept me home. 293 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,600 They didn't want to do anything with me. 294 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,680 Each week I would come in. Nah, Devon, we don't have 295 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,120 nothing for you. Or if we did, it was just to go 296 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:50,240 in here to put people over. And I felt like I was more than 297 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,720 that. So I got myself together. 298 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,840 I said, OK, I'm not going to cry about it. 299 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,280 I'm not going to do anything. I'm going to go home. 300 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,960 I'm going to get my thoughts together. 301 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,360 I'm going to get in the best shape I possibly could be in. 302 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:04,880 And I'm going to prove them wrong. 303 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,600 And that's exactly what I did. I remember I was sitting and 304 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,560 catering. Hogan came in and he goes, damn, 305 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,600 Devon, he goes, how much weight have you lost? 306 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,520 I don't remember the time. I was like 50, maybe 40 to £50. 307 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,720 And I goes, man, you look amazing. 308 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,280 I said thanks, Hulk. He goes, yeah, he was like, 309 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,560 yeah, keep it up. And then the next week, you 310 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,640 know, I think a couple weeks later, you know, he said, Devon, 311 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,640 you know, I've been watching you. 312 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,880 He's like, good God, you're moving like the old Devon. 313 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,160 I said, really? He goes, yeah, man, you go. 314 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,200 You look great in that ring. I said thank you. 315 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,160 I said, but they still not doing anything. 316 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:49,720 Yeah, I don't understand that. And then they kept me home. 317 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,840 They were still doing what they were doing. 318 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:58,960 Then all of a sudden I'm home and I remember I get a phone 319 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,960 call and I think it was either from Al Snow or or Bruce 320 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,840 Pritchett and said we need you here at the pay-per-view. 321 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,280 I think it might have been no surrender. 322 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,560 I'm not sure. I said, OK, I'll be there. 323 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,160 This is when we were filming at Universal Studio, so I was like 324 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,240 maybe 40 minutes away from my house, like I'll be there. 325 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,440 So I get there. And they said, yeah, Hogan 326 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,640 really pushed for you to come back, him and Eric. 327 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,880 And I was told by Dave Heppner because Dave was in the meet. 328 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,920 I'm not, I'm not, not Dave. I'm sorry, Earl, because Earl 329 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,520 was in the meetings in TNA and he goes, man, Hogan loves you. 330 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:44,840 I said, why do you say that? He goes. 331 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,680 He kept pushing and pushing for you and he kept saying how come 332 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,720 Devon's not there? Have you seen Devon? 333 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,800 Have you seen what he looks like now? 334 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,400 Have you seen what he's been doing in the ring? 335 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,560 I don't understand it. You guys are making no sense by 336 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,920 putting him on the back burner. You know, this came from Earl 337 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,240 Hebner and and his son Brian Hebner 'cause they were all in 338 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,920 the meetings with them and they both pulled me aside 2 separate 339 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,960 occasions and told me what was being said about me. 340 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,680 So they said, yeah, you have a match with Robbie E, who was the 341 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,720 television title champ. And he says, yeah, they were 342 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,080 debating back and forth on who should go over in this match. 343 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,920 And Hogan said, what do you mean who should go over again? 344 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,480 Do I have to say it? Look at Devon, look at what he's 345 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,200 doing. Why wouldn't you put him over? 346 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,480 Put him over, Let him have a title run. 347 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,480 I don't get it, nor do I understand what you guys are 348 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,600 doing. Hogan fought, both of them said. 349 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:51,440 Hogan fought tooth and nail. And finally they said, OK, we'll 350 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,600 get the title on Devon. And I just remember going in 351 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,240 there and doing that and then, you know, just having a 352 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,560 successful run with that television title. 353 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,040 And it was all because of Hogan. Hogan was in my corner left and 354 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,080 right when I was having contract disputes with them. 355 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,800 You know, they basically let me go and I had the television 356 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,000 title with me. They never took the title off of 357 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,720 me. So I went home with the title 358 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:24,040 and I remember they needed it because they were going to. 359 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,440 I was going. I had left. 360 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,000 I had no, I wasn't coming back. I had no plans on coming back. 361 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:34,640 And they said we're going to have a tournament for the 362 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,280 television title 'cause it's vacant, 'cause Devon is not 363 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,560 coming back. He left his champ. 364 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,800 I took the title home with me. I get a call from Al Snow. 365 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,160 Al says, Devon, how you doing? I said I'm good. 366 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,800 Al, what's up? You know, 'cause Al at this time 367 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,560 was office, so my guard was up with Al, which it shouldn't have 368 00:24:54,560 --> 00:25:00,480 been, but it was. And he says, hey, we're gonna 369 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,720 have a tournament for the title and we need that title back. 370 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,080 Can you give it to him? Can you bring it to us? 371 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,320 I said I'm in Mexico right now, man, I'm on vacation. 372 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,360 He says you're in Mexico. I said yeah, I'm in Mexico right 373 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:15,840 now. He was like, alright, can 374 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,400 somebody come and get the title? I said no man. 375 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,840 I said I got 3 big ass Rottweilers. 376 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,520 Anybody steps on my property, I get the ass bit. 377 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,360 He was like Devon, come on. I was like, Al, I'm serious. 378 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,520 Nobody's at my home. And if they do show up there, 379 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,680 I'm telling you, I'm not going to be responsible. 380 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,400 I told you what would happen if they show up. 381 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,840 And of course, Alan knew I was full of shit, but I wasn't 382 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,360 budging. I felt that TNA did me so wrong 383 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,160 back then. Not this new regime TNA, but 384 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,840 the, you know, Dixie Carter's, you know, version of TNA. 385 00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:00,120 And, you know, I was just like, yeah, no, I can't do it, Sorry. 386 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,480 I said, I'll give you the title after I come back from Mexico. 387 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,160 And of course the next week after the tournament, you know, 388 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,920 and I and I, it was Samoa Joe versus Ken Anderson. 389 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,480 And Joe knew what I was doing. Samoa Joe knew what I was doing. 390 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,920 I called Joe after and I said, Joe, I said, I'm sorry, man. 391 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,080 I said, but I I I can't give this title back. 392 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,320 I said, they screwed me. They messed with me. 393 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,240 They tried to cut my money. They they, they really tried to 394 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,400 destroy me in my career. I said I can't do. 395 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,880 He goes Devon. He goes, I knew you were full of 396 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,000 shit. He said I knew you were. 397 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,160 He goes When they told me what you was saying, he was like, oh, 398 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,720 he was like that. He yeah, my fucking lying. 399 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,000 But Joe didn't. Joe understood and Joe was like, 400 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,400 Devon, I don't blame you. He said if it was me, I would 401 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,720 have threw the freaking title in the damn ocean and told him to 402 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,320 go get it and tell him where I sit and put it. 403 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,320 And you know, Joe was understanding about it. 404 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,040 And this man, he just laughed. We both laughed about it. 405 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,960 But then Hogan went on his Twitter, which is X now, got to 406 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:13,320 be correct, and said I don't know why Devon's not here. 407 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,160 I think it's BS that he's not back in TNA. 408 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,560 They should have signed him. They should have did everything. 409 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,760 I mean he really went public and I remember he tweeted me, tagged 410 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,280 me in it. My Twitter file was went from 411 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:34,080 100,000 to 300,000 at that .0. Like good God, the power of 412 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,960 Hogan and then the the love and support that I got from the fans 413 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,920 back then was just unreal because of Hogan and Bischoff. 414 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,480 Don't want to leave Bischoff out. 415 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,960 I don't care what Bischoff did in the end and WCW and, and it's 416 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,200 net and the people that he did, whatever people claim that he 417 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,840 did wrong too and all, I don't care. 418 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,080 All I know is that when Bischoff was with me and we did business, 419 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,840 he was a complete gentleman. He was behind me. 420 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,040 Me and him have a great relationship now, but going to 421 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,600 Hogan, he called me and told me, you know, brother, I don't 422 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,320 understand this. He goes, I'm at a loss for words 423 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,600 with this company. He goes, it just doesn't make 424 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,080 any sense. Half the stuff that they're 425 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,640 doing. I said Hulk, I say it's alright. 426 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,000 I was like, you know what, It is what it is, man. 427 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,120 I was like, I've been dumped this card pretty much my whole 428 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,560 career with the exception of ECWI said. 429 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,160 But other than that, it is what it is. 430 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,880 And he just went, brother, listen, I'm getting you back in. 431 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,960 He's like, don't worry. That was when the whole idea 432 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,280 with the Aces and Eights came in and who was underneath the mask 433 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,520 and that was all Hogan's idea. And it just put another spark in 434 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,280 my career when, you know, we did that and it was like Devon was 435 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,440 reborn again. So there was 2 separate 436 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,840 occasions where Hogan actually saved my career. 437 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,920 So for people to say that, you know, the comments that he made, 438 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,480 I get it and understand why you're hurt by it. 439 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,120 I was hurt by it. But like the Bible says, forgive 440 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,960 because if you don't forgive your brother, I will not forgive 441 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,800 you. And that's exactly what the 442 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,840 Bible says. He apologized to me. 443 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,320 Pull me as I said, divine he goes. 444 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,640 I'm not that type of person. I'm not. 445 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,960 He was like, but they're killing me in social media. 446 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,560 They're making me feel like that I am. 447 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,240 I know it might have said things in the past or done through the 448 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,640 past. The brother, I love you. 449 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,360 And you know what? He didn't have to tell me that. 450 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,160 He didn't have to pull me aside and say that, but he did. 451 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,800 In his world. If you really think about it, 452 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,720 I'm not taking anything away from myself, but I'm a nobody. 453 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,680 And if you take care of what this man has done, he didn't 454 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,520 have to do that with me, but he did. 455 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,160 He goes, Yvonne, I love you, brother. 456 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,080 He goes. I love and respect everything 457 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,400 that you've done, how you've gotten yourself out of this 458 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,320 hole. And no matter how many times 459 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,360 they try to knock you down, you keep getting up, he goes. 460 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:16,160 I have so much respect for you. And that was that. 461 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,720 Let let's talk about the last conversation that you had with 462 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,840 Hulk, because you you spoke to him fairly recently, right? 463 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,680 Yeah, I spoke to him during WrestleMania week and I was 464 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,640 doing, I was doing the autograph signing, the con. 465 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,240 I have butt dialed him about a week or two weeks prior to 466 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,280 WrestleMania and it was like I would always butt dial him by 467 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,040 mistake. I don't know why, but I would 468 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,960 always butt dial him and he would always wait about a week 469 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,320 or two to call me back and I was signing and it said Terry 470 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,520 Bollea, Hulk Hogan on my phone. I went, oh, I said Hulk, he goes 471 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,000 and he always answered. Devon, what's going on brother, 472 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,760 how you doing? Sorry, I'm just getting back to 473 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,600 you, man. I'm like, Terry, you ain't got 474 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,120 to apologize to me. I said I made a mistake and butt 475 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,640 dialed you. I was like, you have to 476 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,600 apologize to me. He was like, Nah, but I want to 477 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,840 speak to you. I want to see how you were 478 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,760 doing. We, you know, it's been some 479 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,520 time. I was like, yeah, like I'm doing 480 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,640 good. You know, I told him about the 481 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,880 back surgery, talking about all of that, talking about Dallas 482 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,440 DDP, how he helped me. And he said to me, he goes, 483 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,040 yeah. He was like, Dallas has been 484 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,600 trying to get me to do that for years. 485 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,120 But you know, I just being me, being me. 486 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,720 I would just brush it up to the side. 487 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,120 He's like, it really worked for you. 488 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,880 And I said, Hulk, it really does work. 489 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,640 I said, I know it doesn't seem like things that you're used to 490 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,240 doing in the gym with the weights and stuff, but I'm 491 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,280 telling you, this works. It was like, yeah, he's like the 492 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,120 amount of back surgeries that I've had and this and that. 493 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,360 He was like, man, he's like, I need something right now. 494 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,040 He's like, I'm going to give Dallas a call. 495 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,560 And I don't know if he made that call. 496 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,640 I'm not sure he made a call at all. 497 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,000 But you know, I know we continue to talk a little bit and it was 498 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,680 time to wind it down. And you know, he said, Devon, he 499 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,520 goes, I want to I just want to tell you that I respect the hell 500 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,960 out of you. It was like you're very genuine. 501 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,760 You're this and you're that. He was like, I have a lot of 502 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,680 respect for you. He said, and I just want to say 503 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,720 I love you brother, for that. And I said, well, thank you, 504 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,080 Terry. I said, thank you for everything 505 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,120 that you've done for me. Thank you for everything that 506 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,520 you've done for this business. I said, if it wasn't for you, I 507 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,120 wouldn't be here. I said, I don't care what these 508 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,960 idiots say about you. I don't care how they portray 509 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,040 you as being, I know you. I know. 510 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,640 And I say that because I remember what George Foreman 511 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,800 said. I remember what Dennis Rodman 512 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,200 said. Hell, I remember what Carl 513 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360 Malone said when all that stuff came out on him. 514 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,760 It said we still love Hogan. We respect him. 515 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,360 We know he, we people make mistakes. 516 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,040 People say things they're not supposed to say. 517 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,160 You know, they do things they're not supposed to do. 518 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,000 But he's asking for forgiveness, whether you think it's genuine 519 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,720 or not, or he's bullshitting around and he's asking for 520 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:07,040 forgiveness, you know, and you know, I, I remember, you know, 521 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,840 them saying this stuff, those guys about Hogan. 522 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,120 And I just remember going, you know, I ain't holding no grudge 523 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,720 against this man. I ain't holding no grudge at 524 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,880 all. I understand why people upset. 525 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,480 I get it. But again, sometimes you just 526 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,120 got to learn how to love and forgive. 527 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,280 And that's exactly what I did. And right before we left the 528 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,040 phone, he says Devon. Yeah. 529 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,480 I just want to say I love you, brother. 530 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,600 I love you very much. And I said I love you too, Hulk. 531 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,720 I said we'll talk to each other soon. 532 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,920 Thank you. Got it, brother. 533 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:40,840 Take care. I said. 534 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,720 Bye, Hulk. No. 535 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,840 The last time I spoke to him. You know, a lot of people have 536 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,680 been reaching out and they don't know which way to go because 537 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,280 they're still hurt by by what Hulk said. 538 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,560 Hell, I'm hurt by it. And again, you and I covered 539 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,880 this on the show. There's no confusion about that. 540 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,560 And I'm also hurt by the fact that one of my heroes, one of 541 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,239 the biggest pieces of my childhood outside of my 542 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:22,360 immediate family, is gone. I'm hurt because his friends 543 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:28,360 like you, Devo, have lost somebody Who, warts and all, he 544 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,760 had your back. I'm hurt over the fact that his 545 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:39,040 children lost their father. I'm hurt over the fact that the 546 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,080 industry that depended on this man so much. 547 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,239 And like you said, he set Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan set the 548 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,120 table for everybody. There's not a single person in 549 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,040 pro wrestling today that can say that they're that they made a 550 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,320 Diamond Pro Wrestling on their own. 551 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,480 What Hulk Hogan did in in in revitalizing the business and 552 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,080 making it larger than life and putting it in a position where 553 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,760 it can be mainstream forever. You know, everybody in the 554 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,080 Business Today owes Hulk Hogan a debt of gratitude. 555 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:20,280 That doesn't mean that we forget about the warts, doesn't mean we 556 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,720 forget about the negative things he said. 557 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:25,960 Doesn't mean we forget about that stuff, but you can't deny 558 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,520 the fact just like you said, this man had an impact on all of 559 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:37,120 us and it's OK. It's OK to to to mourn that 560 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,560 folks. It's OK and I don't give a damn 561 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,680 all the other folks who who just want to to stay stuck. 562 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,080 Well, he did something wrong and we just have to hate him 563 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,640 forever. You can be that way if you want 564 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,360 and good for you. But just like Devon said, you 565 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,920 know, at some point you got to let that hate out of your heart. 566 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,920 At some point, you have to be able to be a human being and 567 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,240 recognize that people are imperfect. 568 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,960 People are going to disappoint you. 569 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,000 People are going to also bring you a tremendous amount of joy. 570 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,800 Pro wrestling saved all of our lives. 571 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,480 And when again, when we talk about pro wrestling, we're 572 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,240 talking about Hulk Hogan, Vince McMahon, Ric Flair. 573 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:29,640 We're talking about them. That's what we're talking about. 574 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,160 So I just say this to everyone, piggybacking on what D Bond 575 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,040 said, Sure, never forget that this person did some negative 576 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,320 stuff, some hurtful stuff. Never forget that. 577 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,400 That's OK. But damn it, don't pretend like 578 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,120 you weren't saying your prayers in eating your vitamins and 579 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,360 looking up to the man upstairs. Who the hell is the man up? 580 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,240 I didn't even know who the man upstairs was at at 3456 years 581 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,160 old. I don't even know what the hell 582 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,640 that meant. I just knew that Hulk Hogan said 583 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,960 we got to pray to the man upstairs. 584 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,800 OK, so I'm praying to the man upstairs. 585 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:09,360 Andre Giant ripped the the the crucifix off of Hulk Hogan's 586 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,760 neck. Everyone's upset about that. 587 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,120 Hulk of Mania is being attacked. OK, I'm being attacked because 588 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,360 I'm a Hulk of maniac. It's OK to go back to those 589 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,360 moments in your life where you experience those, those 590 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:30,400 tremendous levels of joy and concern and triumph when the 591 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,640 hero was able to to defeat all the evil people. 592 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,640 It's OK. You've got to be able to 593 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,040 separate things if you're going to be a complete human being and 594 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,600 an adult. Not making any excuses for what 595 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,000 the man has done wrong, but damn it that was our hero at some 596 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,080 point. The man is dead. 597 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:57,160 It's OK to mourn them. You know what kills me and hurts 598 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,960 me, Duke? And I'm not going to name any 599 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,040 names. And if you're listening to this, 600 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,840 you know who you are. You sat there and you buried 601 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,760 this man for the comments that he's made. 602 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,080 Yes, I get it. But I know these same people 603 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:18,160 have done things that if it was brought to light, that these 604 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:25,680 fans would not be happy with or the people I should say would 605 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:32,080 not be happy with, and you would probably be put in the same boat 606 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:38,160 as Hogan. But yet, you know, and you 607 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,880 buried the man when he was here. I get it, you were upset. 608 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,680 But now that he's in death, it's kind of like you're being 609 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,720 hypocrites. I'm not talking about these 610 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,840 people in the industry, but I'm just talking about people in 611 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,640 general. You're being hypocrites about 612 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,560 it. Don't say good things about him 613 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:05,200 now that he's gone. Try to correct how you felt and 614 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,840 how you couldn't let it go. One of the biggest things the 615 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,360 counselor will tell you is that in order for you to heal, you 616 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,520 have to let go. You have to let go because if 617 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,200 not, the hate in your heart will consume you, will consume you 618 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,520 too. Trust me, I know. 619 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,480 I've been married three times, so I know what that hate to feel 620 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,120 like. But the minute you let it go, 621 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,840 oh, I don't care. The minute you let that hate go, 622 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,680 it's a new feeling, It's a new world. 623 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:49,840 You see things a lot clearer. You know, here it is. 624 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:55,720 I'm an ECWI would this is when they have portable DVD players. 625 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,560 I would have the Hulkamania DVD. I would watch it before I went 626 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,600 out because the energy that that man drew when he came out 627 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,280 through that curtain was just unreal. 628 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:15,960 It was, it was energy that I basically never seen before. 629 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,240 The likes of Hulk Hogan when he would come out and how pumped up 630 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,440 that crowd would be. It would get me pumped up. 631 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,320 It would bring me back to when I was a kid watching it and I 632 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,200 would go out in the ECW Arena. I feel like I was a guy. 633 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,320 I feel like I was untouchable, not a God. 634 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,840 Use that. Not taking anything away from 635 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,200 the creator, but I felt like I was invincible because I would 636 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,640 be so charged. People be like, oh, you're such 637 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,240 a mock. You're damn right I am. 638 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:54,680 And I'm damn proud of it because it made me go out there and do 639 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,000 things I never thought I could do because I was so pumped up 640 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,760 watching that man. Before I went out there. 641 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,560 We were on Charlotte. We were on the charter flight 642 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,920 one time and I'm sitting there watching the Hulk Hogan's 643 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,520 greatest hits. And you tried, you know, flying 644 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,840 8 to 12 hours on a flight, landing, checking into the 645 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,600 hotel, only to come back downstairs and get back on the 646 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,160 bus after a 2 hour ride from the airport to the hotel. 647 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,320 To do that. Now you're driving an hour to 648 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,960 the arena and then put on the show. 649 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,800 I would take that portable DV player, I put the Hogan's 650 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,040 matches in, the promos, everything. 651 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,920 I would watch it. I got off that bus, man. 652 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,240 I was ready. Didn't need a 5 hour energy, 653 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,640 didn't have that at the time, didn't need a Red Bull, didn't 654 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,600 have that at the time, didn't need nothing but that DVD. 655 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,640 You know, the first time I ever met Hogan was at the Staples 656 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,320 Center was when they came back from when WCW was brought out. 657 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,880 They were bringing people in little by little to see how we 658 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,640 would all generate together when Vince bought the company. 659 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,840 Me and the Bubba leaving the hotel, we're driving to the 660 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,720 Staples Center to get to the building and do Monday Night 661 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:21,280 Roar and Bubba knew how much of a big fan I was at Hogan and how 662 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,760 much I loved that man. I had 370 something posters in 663 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,560 my room of Hogan, that's how obsessed I was. 664 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:52,840 And I just knew me living in 665 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,840 Brooklyn and the projects cracked, hitting the scene so 666 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,040 bad. I rushed home, not to be in the 667 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,480 streets, but to see what he was going to do. 668 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:16,320 I rushed home to the TVI told him, I said when I first met 669 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:24,440 him, I said you saved my life. I didn't get mixed up and all 670 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,560 that crap out there in the street because I was so in tune 671 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,360 and so intact on what you guys were doing. 672 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,880 My father, who's the reverend who I called my dad, didn't come 673 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,560 into the picture until I was about 1415 when my mother met 674 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,720 him and got remarried. So I had really no real father 675 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:50,760 figure growing up, I said, But you were the you were the 676 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:56,280 leader. Well, I looked up to you. 677 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,640 Everything you said I want to do, I was mesmerized. 678 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,320 I remember getting to the Staples Center. 679 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,720 But because, you know your boy is going to be here, right? 680 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:12,880 And I said who? He said Hogan and WO was coming 681 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:19,120 in today. I said, oh, OK, I was being all 682 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,080 tough and yeah, OK, yeah, not a big deal. 683 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,120 I remember getting into the building. 684 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,960 I went to the locker room. I dropped my bag off, I went 685 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,560 back to walk 'cause I was going to go to the to the ring and 686 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,160 then I'm going to the ring. There he is. 687 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:36,120 He's standing there with Scott and Kevin talking to Vince. 688 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:42,240 And I remember my body heated up and I went back into the locker 689 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:43,600 room. I ran back into the locker room 690 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:49,120 because I was nervous to meet him because I had never met him 691 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,480 at that point. I had met Kevin, I had met 692 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:57,560 Scott, but I've never met Hogan. And that just how that's how 693 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:03,360 strong it was for me. I said, Devon, get yourself 694 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,400 together. You gotta get yourself there. 695 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,160 Come on, come on now. Come on. 696 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:12,160 You're Devon Dudley Stop. And I remember going back out 697 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,000 there and I got myself together and I was like, hey, Hulk, I was 698 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,360 like, how you doing, Mr. Hogan? And I said, Mr. Hogan, you know, 699 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,840 that's the respect said how you doing? 700 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,360 I said, I'm the I said, how you doing? 701 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,080 I'm Devon. He goes, Devon, get the tables. 702 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,080 I said what he said, man. Me and my son Nick, we love you, 703 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,120 man. We watch you guys and that's all 704 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,960 we do around the house is go Devon, get the tables, man. 705 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:44,000 My heart was filled with joy. A man that I idolized, that I 706 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:50,840 felt saved my life, was telling me that. 707 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,120 It was something, you know, people are embarrassed to tell 708 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,160 stories like that because of where they are in the industry 709 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,240 right now. I don't care. 710 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,080 Make fun of me, make memes about it. 711 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:18,320 I don't care. I know what this business has 712 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,200 done for me and I know what Hogan's done for me. 713 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,280 And I remember telling him I said, brother, I will never turn 714 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,360 my back on you. I've done things in this life 715 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,560 even up to this day, I'm not proud of. 716 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,160 I've made wrong decisions. I've said things that have 717 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:49,200 probably been inappropriate that I would get ridiculed for and 718 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,280 maybe even put in the same category as Hogan. 719 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,120 But that's why I would never throw stones at somebody. 720 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,720 But I know I've probably done just as worse. 721 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,480 So all you guys that might listen to this, that wanted to 722 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,320 have something negative to say, go ahead and say it. 723 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,240 I don't care. It's not going to hurt me one 724 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:20,480 bit. I know the relationship I had 725 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,240 with him and that's a memory that I'll never forget. 726 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,800 It's like you don't know my struggle, you don't know 727 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:38,960 anybody's struggle but your own. The hatred that I've seen, I've 728 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,400 seen a lot of love. That's one reason why I don't go 729 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:49,920 on Twitter 'cause I feel like Twitter is kind of like it could 730 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,720 be the death of somebody or what have you. 731 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:57,200 But I just, I, I have Twitter for just promotional reasons for 732 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,480 what I'm doing in my career now. But other than that, I don't 733 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,680 like to go on Twitter. The people are nasty, they're 734 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,200 vulgar, they have no respect and they feel like they could just 735 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:15,760 say and do whatever they want. So I barely post anything on 736 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:21,160 Twitter. My thing is Instagram or my 737 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:28,120 personal Facebook. But the negativity that I've 738 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:34,600 seen on Twitter and some of the things that was said was totally 739 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,760 disgusting. That's somebody's father. 740 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,360 That's somebody's husband, that's somebody's brother. 741 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,800 How do you think they feel in the loss of their loved one who 742 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,400 actually go on social media and see this stuff? 743 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,160 Oh, but let me guess, you don't care, right? 744 00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:02,560 You don't care. He came to you personally and 745 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,040 disrupted your life, so you don't care. 746 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:14,630 You're full of shit if you're going to sit here and denounce 747 00:49:14,670 --> 00:49:16,390 everything that that man has done. 748 00:49:17,070 --> 00:49:19,870 The reason why you're even still watching pro wrestling is 749 00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:25,150 because of him. You're a fool. 750 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,920 You can act all big and bad and hope that somebody sees your 751 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,800 tweet or what have you and go yeah, you damn right. 752 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,640 Yeah, forget him. Yeah, yeah. 753 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,320 Somebody even said good that he's gone. 754 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,200 What type of human being are you? 755 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,040 It just kills me, man. It's. 756 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:02,840 Sad. It's sad, you know, Devon, I'm 757 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,680 going to, I'm going to put a button on this because we, we, 758 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,360 we're going places with this one boy again, such a major part of 759 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,760 our childhood. That's it. 760 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,280 And, and you being inspired by this man and then building a 761 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:29,680 Hall of Fame career and being able to meet him, get to know 762 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:36,880 him, build a friendship with him, make money with him. 763 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,560 I got it. I got it. 764 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:49,680 I know this isn't going to be easy, but you are the the 765 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,520 Bishop's son and the Bishop's son, the Bishop and the Bishop. 766 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,040 You are their son. You are the reverend, your own 767 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,720 damn self. So I'm going to, I'm going to 768 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:04,360 challenge you on this one. We always do our word of the 769 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,640 week. This might be one of the most 770 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,120 important words of the week that you'll ever do here. 771 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,560 So to dedicate this to Hulkamania, what is your word of 772 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,800 the week to take us out, brother? 773 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,320 I'm going to combine a couple of things. 774 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,320 You know, as you're talking, I'm just saying what am I going to 775 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,680 possibly say to end this? I'm going to combine a couple of 776 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,680 things. It's not going to just be one 777 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,240 thing. Number one, that he was without 778 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:44,520 sin, cast the first stone. John 316 You know, he gave his 779 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,960 only begotten Son so we could be free. 780 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:56,840 Let go and let God. It may not come when you want 781 00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:07,240 them, but he's always on time. John 316 was something that 782 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:10,400 Hogan wore in countless interviews because he had given 783 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:19,560 his life back to Christ. And, you know, there was a 784 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:26,000 preacher on Twitter that Bubba had read, and he said it on the 785 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,840 show today about how he said Hogan gave his life back to 786 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,840 Christ. He got saved. 787 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,760 So he knew. He knew that he was going to 788 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,040 heaven. You got baptized and everything. 789 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,560 And I believe that brother will be there when that trumpet 790 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,960 sounds and we're all raising. He'll be there along with so 791 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,480 many others. I know it's not something 792 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,200 Normally I would say I would give you one thing and that was 793 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,520 it and we would go off. But I had to combine all of that 794 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,920 into one. It's a sad moment for a lot of 795 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:14,160 us and it's time to heal and that's what we're going to have 796 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,920 to do. And for those haters out there 797 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,360 that want to down me or make fun of me or what I'm saying, go 798 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,760 ahead. That's OK. 799 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,160 Can't hurt me and you definitely can't hurt that man anymore. 800 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,240 So good luck with you and your life. 801 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,760 You ready for this one? Yep. 802 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:49,080 Testify, Brother. Testifying D my brother testify. 803 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:22,600 The eye in this fashion, you'll touch the sky strictly for the 804 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:30,680 culture, wrestle fine dress to impress and show your shine 805 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:38,880 strictly for the culture. Every day snip in sky in the 806 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:48,320 unique way. Visit 807 00:54:48,440 --> 00:55:04,170 www.dodgestrictlyfortheculture.ca. Backstage whispers and the 808 00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:10,850 crowds roar from matching giants to legends of your Diva's wisdom 809 00:55:10,850 --> 00:55:14,410 in Duke's keen view. Every episode feels like it's 810 00:55:14,570 --> 00:55:15,370 brand new Diva and Duke.