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I have come here to chew bubble 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,880 gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble. 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,960 Brothers and sisters, welcome back. 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,120 Welcome back to Devon and the Duke, a limited podcast series 25 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,160 hosted by your main man. Duke loves wrestling and of 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,360 course, the Hall of Famer himself, one of the most 27 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,280 decorated wrestlers of all time, Devon Dudley. 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,760 How you doing that Devon? I'm all right. 29 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,880 I think like we had some technical difficulty 10-15 30 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,120 minutes prior to coming back on here to doing this. 31 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,440 So like I said earlier, I'm just trying to find a nice quiet 32 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,320 place to do this without my kids coming in the room and knocking 33 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,440 on the door going daddy. So you might hear that from time 34 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,560 to time. Well, you know, Devon, now you 35 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,200 got me curious here, man. Is it because you're a 36 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,000 television star? You know someone who's been on 37 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,760 TV over 30 years. People come from far and wide 38 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,760 just to meet you, get your autograph, let you know how much 39 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,160 you mean to them. Is it because you're this? 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,640 This star? Is that the reason why the kids 41 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:45,920 are always so fighting for your attention, so to speak? 42 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:49,240 No, the the you know, the older you know. 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:54,520 I got 7 kids all together. A lot of people know the 1st 2, 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,400 which is Terrence and Terrell. They go by the name of TNT in 45 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,560 the wrestling business. They followed in my footsteps. 46 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,760 They are, you know, they've been used to it their whole lives. 47 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,760 And then I have Matthew because Terence and Jarrell, they'll be 48 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,480 30 February 25th and then you have Matthew who will be 24 this 49 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,760 November 27th. Then you have my 16 year old son 50 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,080 who, you know, he can care less about this wrestling business. 51 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,960 You know, everybody knows when you're a teenager, 16 years old, 52 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,360 you really don't really care about stuff like that. 53 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,640 So I understand he's interested in driving. 54 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,040 He loves basketball. And you know, he's now getting 55 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,920 into that stage where girls are cute. 56 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,800 Oh, help me, God. And then you have, you know, 57 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,960 then me and my wife, we started over where we have a 5 year old, 58 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,720 a four year old and a six month old. 59 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,880 And the five and the four year old, they, the five year old 60 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,920 knows Daddy's on TV with Uncle Bubba and his friends. 61 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,960 But she doesn't really grasp, she doesn't really grasp it. 62 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,040 You know, she's not really like, you know, daddy's on TV and 63 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,200 stuff like that. She just sees me doing my stuff 64 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,520 and that's about it. So I don't think they fully 65 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,560 understand. I don't think they're there yet 66 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,880 to fully understand the magnitude of what I do and how 67 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,440 it touches so many lives. OK, so it's not because Devon 68 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,040 Dudley is a big star. I think mom is the big superstar 69 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,320 in the house. And you know, I think Chris Rock 70 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,160 said it best. You know, dads don't get no 71 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,920 respect. You know, every time you see an 72 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,040 athlete or somebody go, they thinking, mom, you know, I want 73 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,840 to thank my mom. I want to think my mom, what the 74 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,040 hell does daddy get? Daddy don't get shit. 75 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:46,760 Man, after seven kids, you, you certainly have found that out 76 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,880 the hard way, right? You know, I mean, you know, my 77 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,440 girls are daddy's, daddy's girls, but still, they love 78 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:53,880 their Mama and ain't nothing wrong with that. 79 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,640 There's no jealousy or pride, you know, on my end. 80 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,480 You know, I just, I'm happy that we're able to give them a family 81 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,520 that is not broken. Wow, that's deep. 82 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,920 That's real deep, man. How important is that to you, 83 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:16,000 Devon, to to make sure that your family has a stable home, your 84 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,440 children have a stable home? Well, it's, you know, extremely 85 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,040 important. I grew up in Brooklyn, NY Like 86 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,960 I've always said in the project, my mother was pregnant at 15, 87 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,840 had me at 16. My biological father was out 88 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:31,080 there selling drugs and doing his thing, running the streets 89 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,760 and whatever. And my mother and grandmother 90 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:42,040 was the foundation of my life. And so growing up with those 91 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,560 morals and stuff like that through my grandmother, you 92 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,080 know, it was one of those things where I take that very, very 93 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,640 seriously. And, you know, I just like to 94 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,680 make sure that my upbringing is not the same, is not going to be 95 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,720 the same as theirs. They're going to have a better 96 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,360 life than I have. My grandmother and mother 97 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,520 provided a very good life for me, but there was struggles 98 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,960 along the way. And but I'm very proud of some 99 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,360 of those struggles and some of the things that I've shouldn't 100 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,200 have seen as a child that I did see. 101 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,240 And it just made me, it made me, you know, grow up faster. 102 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:26,760 It's powerful to hear you share these sentiments and, you know, 103 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,000 open up about your life story in this manner and at the same time 104 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,240 hear the kids laughing and playing and calling your name in 105 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,320 the background. It just goes to show man, you, 106 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:44,840 you really have done a great job overall, not just as a father 107 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:49,680 and and a husband and a provider for your family, like you said, 108 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,000 providing that stability, something that you longed for. 109 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,960 And then you had to deal with all the challenges as you 110 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,640 recount. But just the fact that you are 111 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,200 able to set goals and then achieve them. 112 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,560 And I don't care who you are, that's not easy to do. 113 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,560 And certainly to provide a better life for your family than 114 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:16,000 what you had growing up, that's a very serious goal to set. 115 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,480 It's a very difficult goal to achieve because life is life. 116 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,440 There's so many twists and turns and challenges that can knock us 117 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,080 off track from what we've always dreamed or hoped we were able to 118 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,680 accomplish. But yet you are someone who's 119 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,280 actually made it work, made it happen, and you have fruits of 120 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,200 your labor to show for it. So, you know, again, kudos to 121 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,520 you, Devon. I just gained a tremendous 122 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,240 amount of respect for you, even more so than ever before now, 123 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,880 because that's, I didn't realize your beginnings were so humble. 124 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,880 And now it makes sense why you're so dedicated to your 125 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,360 family and why you're you're so serious about making sure that 126 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,680 they're all set. And it's interesting that we're 127 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,560 we're talking about this because we're seeing something like this 128 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,040 play out a little bit in the wrestling world right now. 129 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,800 For example, you you have somebody like the young lady 130 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,480 Stephanie Backer. Here's someone who back in 2018, 131 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,840 she had AWWE tryout. Things didn't work out for her. 132 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,320 You know, WWE decided not to go in that direction. 133 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:30,800 So she had to go back and build her career outside of WWE. 134 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,280 And you know, she's originally from Chile, but she's made a 135 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,840 name for herself down in Mexico, especially for the CMLL 136 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:44,680 promotion, became the the number one woman's wrestler and really 137 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:47,600 one of the top wrestlers period in Mexico. 138 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,080 And in fact, recently she's been doing some business with AEW. 139 00:08:54,080 --> 00:09:00,160 She had a match with Mercedes Monet and vignettes and and and 140 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,800 stare downs and promo and all that good stuff leading up to it 141 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:12,000 doing business with AEW right as as cross promotional partnership 142 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,880 with CMLL. Now something happened. 143 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,240 Something happened where Stephanie Backer was actually 144 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,480 negotiating with both AEW and WWE. 145 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,520 And according to Conan on the Keeping It 100 podcast and shout 146 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:35,520 out to Conan, Stephanie Vacker was actually left at the airport 147 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,360 by AEW. So this is not a new thing that 148 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,000 we've heard. This has been done before. 149 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,200 In fact, CM Punk himself has complained that this happened to 150 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,880 him before in AEW. But Stephanie Vacker was not 151 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,880 picked up at the airport. She had to figure out how to get 152 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,760 from where she was at the airport to where she needed to 153 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,880 be. And as a result, according to 154 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,040 Conan, she decided, you know, that plus hearing from other 155 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,240 wrestlers, especially Mexican wrestlers and how they're 156 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,080 treated in AAW and how they're treated in WWE, she decided 157 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:13,560 she's going to go with WWE. So Stephanie Backer left CMLL, 158 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:19,880 she left negotiating with AEW, signs with WWE, immediately 159 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:25,560 starts wrestling for WWE. In fact, she did 2 shots with 160 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:30,520 them down to Mexico back-to-back and it's already been discussed 161 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:36,400 on WWENXT that she's going to be part of that promotion or sub 162 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,000 promotion within the WWE Universe there. 163 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,160 So this is interesting. This is somebody who made a 164 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:48,160 decision to do what's best for them and best with for their 165 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,680 family and and go with WWE. AEW had a shot at her. 166 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:55,840 They had the best shot at her, quite frankly, because she was 167 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,280 already doing business with them and they just couldn't close the 168 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,040 deal. What's your take on that, Devon? 169 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:09,080 Well, let me just say this, her leaving AEW to go to the WWEI 170 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,880 can understand the two meetings that I had with Tony Kahn, or 171 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,080 three I should say. One was at Universal when they 172 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,440 were there. They did their last couple of 173 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:24,280 shows at Universal. Then it was in I think December 174 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,480 of that year. It was December of that year and 175 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,760 I basically had it. I don't know, it was a weird 176 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,000 experience. And then I had another one in 177 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,880 January, this coming January I believe it was. 178 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:50,040 The unorganized stuff that I saw was mind boggling to me because, 179 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,200 you know, it's true. The man has more money than the 180 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,200 WWE, you know, because of his father. 181 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,520 It seems like it's an endless amount of money, but yet there's 182 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,920 no organization. I think that was one of the 183 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,240 biggest things that I heard when I was there. 184 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,840 And again, I wasn't going there because I needed the job. 185 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,280 I was going there because I was told that if I went there, it 186 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,480 was going to help my sons, Terrence and Terrell be able to 187 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,880 get employment there and to be able to get some stability in 188 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,440 the company. And like I said on on a previous 189 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,440 podcast, when I told them, I did not want to wrestle really. 190 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,800 I just wanted to help my sons maybe manage like Jake the Snake 191 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,760 Robbins was doing, like Tully Blanchett was doing. 192 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,920 That's what I wanted to do. I just wanted to manage at the 193 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,280 time because I had the back surgery, I didn't want to mess 194 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,560 up anything. I was told yes, that was the 195 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:56,280 opportunity that I could, you know, achieve and you know, and 196 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,800 help my boys out in tremendous way. 197 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,560 But every once in a while getting a ring like in a six man 198 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:03,080 tag or something like that, Would I be opposed to that? 199 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,200 I said well, no, but understand, I'm not trying to relive the 200 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,480 attitude error or even the TNA error. 201 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:16,480 I just want to help my sons and just leading up to the first, I 202 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,440 thought the first meeting was good, but you know, Tony had me 203 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,560 waiting around like I was some young boy for him. 204 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:25,000 And I remember telling my agent I said I don't need this. 205 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,200 The only reason why I'm still staying here and dealing with 206 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,360 this is because of my sons. You know, I don't really care to 207 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,560 come to this company and work. When you've worked for the WWE. 208 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,160 To me, there's no other company that's better now. 209 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,800 I know people leaving the company and you know, they 210 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,320 badmouth WWE and they say this and they say that, but when 211 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,520 things are going good for them, they're on the WWE bandwagon. 212 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,760 You know, it's the greatest company in the world. 213 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,040 But the minute things start going South or going in a 214 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,120 different direction, now they want to bury the company. 215 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,560 Me personally, I've never seen so much unorganized stuff going 216 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:15,480 on in a company like AW. And again, I'm not bad mouthing 217 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,080 the company, but there's certain things. 218 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,760 Even people within the company that had jobs there would shake 219 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,320 their heads and go, you know, this is insane. 220 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:32,280 Producers are not getting their assignments until, you know, 221 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,440 10-15 minutes prior to their math. 222 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,640 She's supposed to go out. You know, it's, it's, it's not 223 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,880 the most organized place in the world. 224 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,880 And again, I'm not the only one saying that. 225 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,520 There are people within the organizations that have jobs and 226 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,920 are saying it. And so it doesn't surprise me 227 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,600 that this young lady was left at the airport and nobody picked 228 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,920 her up. Again, a lot of stuff is going 229 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,080 on in that company that no one can get a handle on. 230 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,840 But it has to start with Tony Khan. 231 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,440 He has to get control of his company because if he doesn't, 232 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,040 then it's going to wind up being like another WCW. 233 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,480 And listen, a lot of veterans across the board are saying 234 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,560 this. Again, even people within the 235 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:25,200 company, you have a lot of great talent there and you know the 236 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,480 stories and all that. I'm sure now I didn't see the 237 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:33,800 matches between her and Mercedes AKA Sasha Banks, but I'm sure it 238 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,600 was good. But it wasn't good enough for 239 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:41,320 her to stay and you know, to be disrespected like that. 240 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,320 Tony Khan doesn't realize. I don't care how much money you 241 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,600 got. This is the wrestling business, 242 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,840 my friend. Either you get your head out of 243 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,680 your ass and realize, and nobody really gives a damn too much 244 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,960 about your money. If you're going to disrespect 245 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,360 people, you know you're not going to survive. 246 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,120 He wouldn't do that to people like MJF. 247 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,560 He wouldn't do that to offspring. 248 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,400 He wouldn't do that to Mercedes. He wouldn't do that to Edge. 249 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,000 You know, he does it to people that think that. 250 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,440 I don't, I don't know. I can't explain it, so I'm not 251 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,360 even going to speak on that. I don't know why he does the 252 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,440 things that he does or why the people in his organization 253 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,640 choose to let a young lady like that slip through their fingers 254 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,680 and and do disrespectful stuff like that for for them to come 255 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,600 back and say, Oh, well, we didn't know she was left at the 256 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,880 airport and they never arrived. Well, when you knew she was 257 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,040 coming in, did you bother to have travel, make sure that 258 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,520 everything was taken care of? WWE make sure of that. 259 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,280 They don't leave their people stranded. 260 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,880 That's the one thing I got to say about WWE. 261 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,880 They don't do things like that. So it's not hard pressed for me 262 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,920 to believe that this young lady wanted to leave and go to WWEWWE 263 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,240 is a very well oiled machine. Tony Kahn can say whatever the 264 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,480 hell he wants to say about that company, OK, but they are well 265 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,400 oiled machine. Again, when things start going 266 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,720 South for a person in the company, that's when they start 267 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,880 talking crap or they don't get their way. 268 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,920 But when they're on top of the world and they're doing the 269 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,760 right thing. Oh, the WWE is the greatest 270 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,160 company in the world. And for those that have never 271 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:24,040 been there and probably went straight to AW before WWE, you 272 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,800 know, they don't know how things are there and how different it 273 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,200 is, especially with Hunter in the mix. 274 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,040 You know, the company now, the powers that be are going to have 275 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,280 their favorites and they're going to have their people that 276 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,200 they're not fond of. So the people that they're not 277 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,880 fond of who's not getting the push or who's not getting what 278 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,520 they want, of course they're going to talk crap and things 279 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,640 like that. They did it during the Vince era 280 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,840 and some are doing it now during the Triple H era. 281 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,680 But again, when the iron is striking there, no, there's 282 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,160 nothing, there's no wrong that WWE can do. 283 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,120 But the minute that you know, they started going to decline, 284 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,560 it's the it's the worst company in the world. 285 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,440 And you know, something else I heard you know about Tony Khan 286 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:19,360 is that he said Edge's run is better in AEW was in WWE. 287 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,480 I'm sorry, I know he smokes weed because I hear about it from all 288 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,400 the time, but is there some crack or anything involved in 289 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,680 that weed? What? 290 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,040 What planet is this man on for him to even think and say that 291 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,360 he hasn't nearly touched the tip of the iceberg on the stuff that 292 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:40,200 he did in WWE? Let's not even talk about the 293 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,160 world famous matches with the Dudleys, Hardys and edging 294 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,280 Christian. OK, let's put all the stuff with 295 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:51,880 the Rated R Superstar, you know, even after me and Bubba and and 296 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,920 the Hardys and and Christian were going, you know, again, 297 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,040 that in itself right there, those matches that we had are 298 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,000 legendary. And we'll go on in history and 299 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,240 people still talk about them 30 years down the road, you know, 300 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,880 after it's all said and done. So don't give me that crap, 301 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,960 Tony. Get your head out of your ass 302 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,760 and realize what the Hell's going on. 303 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,720 You haven't even built Edge to that point yet. 304 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,920 And remember, Edge was a superstar way before he came to 305 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,240 AW, which is why you jumped at the opportunity to get him. 306 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,320 It was WWE that made him, not you. 307 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,720 So don't think that you're, you know, the cat's meow. 308 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,120 You didn't make him, WWE did, Vince did. 309 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,480 And that's the truth. Whether he wants to, like when 310 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,120 he wants to hear it or not, that's the truth. 311 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,000 You hear some of the stuff that people are saying online after 312 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,400 he made this comment, OK, People can get mad all they want and 313 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,440 call me, you know, shut the F up, Devon. 314 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,680 You don't know what the hell you're talking about. 315 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,360 But I do because I'm not the only one that feels that way. 316 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,920 And the thing about it is, I bet you as well as I know Edge, he 317 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,920 don't think that way. But hey, Edge, take that money. 318 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,800 I get it. Take it and enjoy it because 319 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,960 that's exactly what's going on. Tony Khan is is kind of like, 320 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:11,160 it's Tony Khan is kind of like Ricky Stroder and Silver Spoons. 321 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,120 Silver spoons you. You're telling our age now, 322 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:20,000 Devon. I am, you know, it's kind of 323 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,400 like that. You know, he had the father with 324 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,600 all the money and then he was the kid that had all the video 325 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,840 games and the train going through and all that. 326 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,160 That's him. You know, he never really had to 327 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,520 work for that money or probably even knew what it was like to 328 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,280 help that money built. But yet he could throw it around 329 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,880 and then feel that he could say what he can say what he has to 330 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,480 say with this. And I remember going back to 331 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,840 what I said earlier about me having those three meetings. 332 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,320 Once the third meeting happened in Orlando, I looked at my age 333 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,400 and I said, you know what? I can't do this. 334 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,720 I, I can't, I, I love my boys to death, but I can't come and work 335 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,680 for an organization like this. It's just number one, too 336 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,840 unorganized and #2 this man is insane. 337 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,000 I'm so not No, if, if, if everything would have went well 338 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,960 and I started working for that company, I think I would have 339 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,960 had to lose my mind. And I don't think I would have 340 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,320 been in the right place mentally to be able to. 341 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,960 I don't care how much money he threw. 342 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,600 It's just I just saw so much stuff that it was like, what the 343 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,440 hell is going on here? And for people within the 344 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,880 organization to say that to me that I knew, you know, very good 345 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,080 friends of mine, they were like, Yvonne, this place is so 346 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,880 unorganized. It's probably the worst that 347 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,360 I've ever seen of any other place that I've ever been to. 348 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:46,080 And I had to agree with them. Some of the things I was hearing 349 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,720 and sitting and seeing, I just couldn't believe it. 350 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,960 I hope that he can get a grip on things like this so these things 351 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,720 can stop being said about the company. 352 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,760 Tony, you have a phenomenal company. 353 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,600 Take charge. Start doing the right thing. 354 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,200 Get people behind you that know what the hell they're doing. 355 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,680 Insane. Not these yay OS who freaking 356 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,280 get a podcast or they're dirt sheet riders and you have them 357 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,960 by your side. Go to hell with those guys, man. 358 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,680 Screw you guys. What the hell have you ever 359 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,200 done? What bumps have you ever taken? 360 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,360 When did you ever control a crowd in the palm of your hands? 361 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,720 You know, when did you ever do anything meaningful in this 362 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,280 business? But yet these are the people 363 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,640 that he brings in his inner circle because they're yes 364 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,880 people. They're yes men. 365 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,000 At least when Vince McMahon had yes men, they these were guys 366 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,560 that actually did something in the business or knew the 367 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,520 business, not these dirt sheet writers that he has by his side. 368 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,280 You know, the, the interesting part about this is it's not just 369 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,800 AEW itself that is having these challenges. 370 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,240 When you look at folks who have partnered with them, it hasn't 371 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,320 been a pretty picture. You have TNA, who you know, at 372 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,480 the time they were Impact Wrestling, what have you, would 373 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,160 they partnered with AW was a disaster and they lost a good 374 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,800 chunk of their audience for a while and their TV ratings were 375 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,560 in the toilet. By the time that was done, 376 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:23,320 allowing Tony Kahn and and Shivani and and also Omega and 377 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,040 those guys to bury Impact Wrestling on their own 378 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,640 television programming week after week for months at a time. 379 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,440 It was just, it was ridiculous. It really hurt them. 380 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,640 It really hurt them. And they're only now starting to 381 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,120 turn the corner on making that type of big mistake. 382 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:45,320 And certainly pairing up with WWE doesn't hurt, especially 383 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,480 considering they're being treated with far more respect. 384 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,280 So shout out to TNA. But you have a situation where 385 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,520 today Bushi wrote the parent company of New Japan Pro 386 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,040 Wrestling. They revealed some of their 387 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,880 financials. They're a publicly traded 388 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,280 company, so they have to do that. 389 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,200 And to make a Long story short, they're down about 7% year over 390 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,280 year. And New Japan Pro Wrestling is 391 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,160 just, you know, for lack of a better term, they're in a 392 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,800 toilet. Now. 393 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,240 This coincides with New Japan Pro Wrestling's relationship 394 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,480 with AEW and it it expanding. I mean, you even have a Jon 395 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,040 Moxley being IWGP world champion. 396 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,080 And clearly that hasn't done anything in terms of a net 397 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,600 positive for New Japan Pro Wrestling at all. 398 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,360 In fact, they they just are in a downturn period. 399 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,360 It's clear that they don't have enough stars. 400 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,460 It's clear that they're leaning on AE W and AE WS, quote UN 401 00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:48,560 quote. Stars are not big enough to help 402 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,920 New Japan and in fact, AE WS just really taking from them. 403 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,440 What's your take on that, Devon? Just the fact that even Tony 404 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:02,000 Khan's influences is having a net negative reaction on their 405 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,040 business partners, let. Me ask you a question. 406 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:10,520 When you look at TNA and WWE, when they're merging together 407 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:15,440 using talent, they put in correct storylines with these 408 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,200 matches with a Jordan Grayson, what what they're doing with her 409 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,360 and NXT champion what what how they brought her into the Rumble 410 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,520 and they're doing storylines that people can invest in and 411 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,200 feel what is AW doing with that? Nobody's feeling it the way he 412 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,000 thinks that they're feeling it. Because if that was the case, 413 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,720 the numbers would be up. People will be talking about it 414 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,800 and the whole 9. The difference is you have 415 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,800 somebody who Triple H, who knows the game, you know, who knows 416 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,720 how to do things like this and is working together with great 417 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,520 wrestling minds that can, you know, put a match together or 418 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,680 put a match on that makes sense to the people so they can invest 419 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,920 in emotional investment. People want to see it. 420 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,440 People are dying to see it. That's the difference between 421 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,240 those two companies working together and AW and Japan. 422 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,720 There is no structure with that company. 423 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,560 That's the problem. There is no, it seems like 424 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,000 there's no leadership or what have you. 425 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,480 It's like the blind leading the blind in a sense. 426 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,840 And I hate to say this because, you know, both organizations are 427 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,560 really, really good and have great talent. 428 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,360 And I can't stress that enough. I don't want these people to 429 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,800 think that I'm burying the company because I'm not. 430 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,840 But if Tony doesn't get a control of it again, it's going 431 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,480 to become like another WCW. God damn it. 432 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,960 Wake up. Shit. 433 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,760 Enough's enough. Listen to the wrestling minds. 434 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Listen. You always talk about you like 435 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,440 to, you know, listen to the people and let and give the 436 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,840 people what they want. But you're not because if you 437 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,280 did, your arenas will be full and stop trying to go after WWE 438 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,000 and talking about them or how bad they are or how you took 439 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,080 somebody from their organization and made them bigger stars than 440 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,160 they were in WWE here. The bottom line is this. 441 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,160 The only reason why you have them is because you're throwing 442 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,680 a boatload of money at them. That's the only reason why. 443 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,760 The other reason, you know, could be also is that the people 444 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,360 that you're grabbing from that company and bringing them over, 445 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,240 they're a little frustrated, they're fed up or they know 446 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,120 things are not going the way they want, so they're going to 447 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,960 want going to go over here. I think it's, you know, and it's 448 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,200 better over on the other side. But we all know the grass isn't 449 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,720 necessarily greener on the other side, especially when you get 450 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,920 there, you know? So again, all these people you 451 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,400 know, that are talking, you know, crap, you know, about the 452 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,240 WWE company when they were there and they were on top of, they 453 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,320 were doing well, you know, you weren't talking crap then, but 454 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,680 now you are BS. So to go back, in order for 455 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,320 things to work, you have to have a mind that knows how to do 456 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,440 that. Tony is that doesn't have a mind 457 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,240 for the wrestling business. You know, he's a great guy, yes, 458 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,480 he's a nice guy, but he doesn't know. 459 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,880 It's almost like having Dixie Carter run the show in TNA. 460 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,440 The minute that happened, TNA's downfall, she was a mock for the 461 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,760 business. She knew nothing about this 462 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,920 business. And I feel somewhat that's Tony 463 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,560 Todd. He knows it from a fan's point 464 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,120 of view, but not from a business point of view. 465 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,360 I think that's the difference. Well, Speaking of difference, or 466 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,640 rather difference makers, breaking news, she's back. 467 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,720 That's right. Ria Ripley, AKA Mommy has 468 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,800 returned. She's ready to stick it to Liv 469 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,920 Morgan. She's ready to reclaim her dumb, 470 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,760 dumb. In fact, Dominic Mysterio said 471 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,640 to Ria Ripley, you're my girl. And she says no, I'm not yours, 472 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,040 you're mine. So, Deepa, what do you think of 473 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,080 all that? Well, if mommy said that to me, 474 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,920 I'd be like yes, Mommy, I belong to you. 475 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400 You right about that. I mean, there's no question. 476 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,520 I mean we Ripley is fine as hell. 477 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,880 Yes, Dirk, she right as I said that she's fine as hell. 478 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,640 And you know, just her coming back, the suspense, the build up 479 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,480 of this, the WWE, this is what I'm saying. 480 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,520 They did it so good. They did it so right where you 481 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:47,160 saw Liv Morgan trying to infiltrate the Judgement Day and 482 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,560 their crew, and she did a damn good job at it. 483 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,080 She caused the seat or what have you. 484 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:57,120 And then after taking the title, now the next step was taking Dom 485 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,440 away. And that's exactly what she did. 486 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,960 And the build up to that was phenomenal. 487 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Now all of a sudden the kiss happens and they're tagging 488 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,280 together and all of that. And then all of a sudden here 489 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,000 comes Mommy. That place just exploded. 490 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,720 Rio Ripley came down with a with just this. 491 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,320 The look on her face, how she came down and the expression on 492 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,800 both Dom and Liv Morgan was priceless. 493 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,920 It was like they saw, they saw 10,000 ghosts coming towards the 494 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,040 ring to get them. I mean, it was freaking. 495 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,840 It was great storytelling, it really was. 496 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,120 I enjoyed it to the fullest and I've been enjoying it as they've 497 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,600 been projecting it on TV. It's one of those things where 498 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,280 my God, mommy's doing. I mean, I would have never 499 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,400 thought in a million years, and there's nothing against her but 500 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,320 that this type of deal would have been going on with Liv Dom 501 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,760 and and and Ria Ripley. But that just goes to show you 502 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,360 how damn good Triple H and whoever else is with him in his 503 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,160 corner is, is how they doing things. 504 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,880 They're getting you emotionally invested in their storylines and 505 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,280 that is what you have to do in order to get the people to care. 506 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,400 You got to get them emotionally invested into it and they're 507 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,360 doing a damn good job of it. And like I said, mommy is 508 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,400 mommy's mommy because. She sure is. 509 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,840 There's only one mommy and you know, if, if her and I were 510 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,560 dating, she'd be mommy every day. 511 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,360 JJ also better be careful because I don't know, he might 512 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,800 be barking up the wrong tree trying to get a date with mommy. 513 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,440 He might be saying ye. What? 514 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,840 What? What does he say ye? 515 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,760 Yes, Sir, he he says ye. That all day long, I'm telling 516 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280 you, she'll put a hurt on him. He better be careful. 517 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,680 He she'll put a hurt on him. Sometimes the old school sees 518 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,920 what the new school is bringing to the table and she's bringing 519 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,800 a lot to the table. So you better be careful. 520 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,120 Jay USOI, hope you're listening, brother. 521 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,800 Old school over here. Devon Dudley's try to pull your 522 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:05,200 coat to something. Shout out to Mobbie, Shout out 523 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,640 to Dom. Shout out to live. 524 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,440 Fantastic program they have going on there. 525 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,880 Everyone's intrigued, Everyone's tuning in. 526 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,640 It's it's interesting. It's very interesting and it's 527 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,640 fun, refreshing something different. 528 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,760 And that's OK. That's OK. 529 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaking of, OK, I mean, you saw it, Devon smack down. 530 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:32,000 Cody Rhodes was being held back while the Bloodline dismantled 531 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,400 Randy Orton and Cody taken a page out of his father's book, 532 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,840 The American Dream. Dusty Rhodes, Cody Rhodes 533 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,880 screaming take me, don't take him, take me as he watched Randy 534 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,960 Orton just get decimated. I mean goodness gracious Jacob 535 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,960 fought 2 with the Super kicks over and over and over again. 536 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,400 Randy was worse for wear. What's your take on what the 537 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,400 bloodline is doing? And now that they've claimed 538 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,280 another victim, this time Randy Orton. 539 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:10,040 Again, perfect storyline. Perfect storyline where the 540 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,120 people got invested and the emotion was so real. 541 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,360 I again, I can't put into words again, I'm going to repeat 542 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,120 myself because it's exactly what it is. 543 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,400 You're putting you're making people invest in a storyline 544 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,760 that you're telling that you're doing that is going very well 545 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,200 and people are reacting to it. And that's the thing. 546 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,000 So, you know, my take on it is this. 547 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,680 WWE keeps hitting it out the park every single time, and I'm 548 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,760 loving it because if it's not the mommy and Dom thing, it's 549 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,160 this. It's the Cody Rose and you know 550 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,800 the one. Like, again, they're investing 551 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,520 in the storylines and really, really telling the story and 552 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,600 they're keeping you going. It's no different than the 553 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,480 attitude error. This is exactly what they were 554 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,000 doing in the attitude error. Why? 555 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,480 Which is why everybody from the opening match to the main event 556 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,680 was over. Why everybody was over during 557 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,639 that time. People did not want to turn the 558 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,040 TV when the commercial came on during the Attitude Era because 559 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,239 they were afraid that they were going to miss whatever it was 560 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:23,159 when they came back. So again, kudos to the WWE, 561 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,880 Triple H, and I've got to say, Paul Heyman has got to be 562 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,760 helping out with this these storylines because it has Paul 563 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,400 Heyman written all over it to take a page out of Dusty Rose. 564 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,719 Well, you know, take me instead. Take me. 565 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,800 But the bloodlines like, Nah, we're going to kill him because 566 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,679 we know that means more to you than it would be beating your 567 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,679 ass. And it showed. 568 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,960 Kudos to everybody involved in that segment. 569 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,520 Again, my hat goes off to the WWE with that. 570 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,600 Well said, Well said, Devon. This past weekend you were at 571 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,360 the 90s con. So how was that? 572 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,400 How was the 90s wrestling con? It was OK, you know, it wasn't 573 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,600 really advertised or promoted the right way, but it was OK. 574 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,400 I still met some great fans and had a good time, some good 575 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,400 talks, but it could have been better. 576 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,080 Right now, promoters, come on now you, you have these, these 577 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,080 megastars, these folks from yesterday, some folks from 578 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,400 today, even few folks mixed in from for tomorrow. 579 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,200 The whole idea at these conventions is that you got to 580 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,200 get the word out. You know, if you get the word 581 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,880 out, people going to show up. But if you're not utilizing not 582 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:48,760 just newspapers and billboards, not just TV and radio, you got 583 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,640 to utilize these these podcasts, man. 584 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,440 You know, you get the word out on these podcasts and hey, it's 585 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,640 a whole different ball game. I mean, here on Devon and the 586 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,240 Duke and also on Duke Loves Wrestling. 587 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,040 You hear it promoted the River City Wrestling Con and made sure 588 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,760 that we did it within a ample amount of time, you know, months 589 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,840 and months and months. In fact, most of this year is 590 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,600 promoting that convention and it in turn, it was the most 591 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,040 successful pro wrestling convention in the history of the 592 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,480 state of Florida and per capita is one of the most successful 593 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,040 wrestling conventions this year in the world. 594 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,200 There's a reason for that, folks. 595 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,600 So these podcasts that actually have an audience that is 596 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,600 captivated and and interested, they spend money and they want 597 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,120 to meet their heroes, They want to bring the family out and what 598 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,600 have you. That can't happen if you're not 599 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,760 tapping into all of the different mediums you can tap 600 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,960 into. So you know, no disrespect to 601 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,320 anybody and we know that it's not the easiest business in the 602 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,720 world to be a promoter, but if you're going to bring these 603 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:04,040 folks out, these legends, you better make sure you're 604 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,480 promoting it properly so that everyone can walk away with a 605 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,120 great experience, especially the fans. 606 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,680 How, how crazy is it that you would have something and the 607 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,240 word didn't get out well enough. People who wanted to be there 608 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,680 weren't there because they didn't know if a, if a tree 609 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,120 falls in the woods and there's no one to hear it, did it really 610 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,840 happen? They don't know. 611 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,520 So just some advice out there. Anyway, Devon, for all the 612 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,640 serious promoters out there and the wonderful fans or what have 613 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,160 you, what's the best way that everyone can keep up with you 614 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,520 all? Right. 615 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,480 Well, you can follow me at Testify Devon on Instagram. 616 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,880 I'm on there a lot. You can also follow me on 617 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,920 Testify Devon on Twitter, but I'm mostly on Instagram and I do 618 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,760 answer a lot of the messages that are written to me. 619 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,040 Even the fans that think they know everything and want to try 620 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:03,760 to tell me off, I don't really get too invested in them, but I 621 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,680 say a couple of words here and there, then I block them. 622 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,800 So. But yeah, you can find me there. 623 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,960 And I mean again, you also find me at Devon Dudley Academy, 624 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,520 which is my wrestling school in Winter Park, FL. 625 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,280 You know, give us a call. Look it up at 626 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:27,200 www.devondudleyacademy.com. If you think that you want to 627 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,880 take your wrestling ability to the next level and you're tired 628 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,880 of the school that you're in wasting your time or you just 629 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,960 want to start off in a good school, give us a call. 630 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,440 All the information is on the website and would love to take 631 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,160 you. Great stuff there. 632 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,920 And of course, folks, hey, reach out. 633 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,320 You just heard it from the man himself, Devon Dudley. 634 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,680 He personally will be responding to you. 635 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,160 So that's not a bad deal there. Of course, Duke loves wrestling 636 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,480 on Facebook, on Twitter, Duke loves wrestling@gmail.com. 637 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,040 Let me know what you think. You got birthday shout outs. 638 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,840 You have questions for Devon. You know, you, you want to hear 639 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,440 us talk about anything? Certainly send in those 640 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,600 suggestions, those questions, those comments, we will actually 641 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,480 shout you out. We've done the birthday shout 642 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,800 outs and all that good stuff there. 643 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,240 You've heard that before. That's what we're here to do. 644 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,400 You know, just have a good time for sure before I get out of 645 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,680 here And, and Devon, I appreciate you letting me have 646 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,840 an open mic to wrap this up here. 647 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,400 I just want to say something because I, I have been receiving 648 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:37,760 some feedback from folks who are so shaken up and, and, and upset 649 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,640 and what have you over the fact that Devon would have the 650 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:47,040 audacity to criticize AEW. And you know, me, I've been 651 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,000 doing this since day one that, that company's been around. 652 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,200 I've been calling out some of the challenges that I see there 653 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,520 and, and really some of the, the marketing mistakes that Tony 654 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,000 Kahn has made. And I've told him personally 655 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,920 and, and Tony has responded to me and we've had some 656 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,840 interesting back and forth which, you know, I, I have not 657 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,640 been shy about it made that public. 658 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,520 But I want to make something clear, and I know Devon has said 659 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,240 it before, but I want to really hammer this point home, folks. 660 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:23,840 There is no way on God's green earth that we want AEW to fail. 661 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,680 That's not what's going on here. Congratulations on Dynamite 662 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,840 hitting that 250th episode and all that good stuff. 663 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,400 We don't want this to fail, folks. 664 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,920 If any of you have listened to Duke Loves Wrestling, you have 665 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,000 heard from people who are in AEW. 666 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,960 You have heard Tony Shivani, who's a great man in a legend, 667 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,320 Thunderosa, Shane Taylor, the Renegade Twins. 668 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,560 Do I, you know, Con? I can go on and on and on and 669 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,320 on. Layla Gray, We've had some 670 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:06,840 fantastic folks who are actively under contract in AEW and we 671 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,600 care about them. Devon has trained folks who are 672 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,200 in AEW, he cares about them. Devon has worked with folks who 673 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:19,080 are in AEW, he cares about them. So this isn't a situation where 674 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,960 we're we're praying for their demise or anything of the sort. 675 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,760 And anyone who is interpreting it that way, it's unfortunate 676 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,480 because that's not the case here. 677 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,960 Here's the reality of the situation. 678 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,240 In order for this company to continue to be a valuable place 679 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,920 where wrestlers and people who work behind the scenes have 680 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,720 another option, where they can make a great living for 681 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:48,200 themselves and their families, where they can still be seen on 682 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,600 television, where they can still be top stars. 683 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:59,360 In order for this thing to work, Tony Kahn has to foreclose on 684 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,640 whoever he was previously in terms of how he's been running 685 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,440 this company. He's got to shut that down. 686 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,560 Got to start from scratch here in the sense that it's time to 687 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,400 utilize the great wrestling minds that are around you 688 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,160 because there's plenty of them in that company. 689 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,760 It's time to loosen up the reins a little bit and get some 690 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,400 professionals who actually know how to run a business 691 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,200 successfully and not just be a trust fund baby, but actually 692 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,000 know how to run a business successfully. 693 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,320 It's time to bring these folks in, and I think piece by piece, 694 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,040 Tony is starting to do that a little bit, but it's time to 695 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,880 ramp that up. You got to show these television 696 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,920 partners, whether it be WBD or anybody else, that you're a 697 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:53,880 serious company with serious plans to last beyond 2024. 698 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,760 And you can't do that when you're doing goofy nonsense all 699 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,520 the damn time. You certainly can't do that with 700 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,640 Tony Khan being the spokesperson of the company because he just 701 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,040 really doesn't do a good job of that. 702 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,440 So again, this is this is like tough love here. 703 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,240 We love pro wrestling. We love the pro wrestlers. 704 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:17,880 We love the people who work in wrestling. 705 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,720 We love the fact that no matter what happens, you're generating 706 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,280 content that we can discuss. And of course, our listeners, 707 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,080 they love it because they want to hear perspective about 708 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,600 things. Hearing from a Hall of Famer 709 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,040 like Devon, who knows all the players, and then hearing from a 710 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,600 fan like myself who's been fortunate enough to interview a 711 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,960 lot of folks but is a lifelong fan. 712 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,880 And I can speak from the perspective of a consumer of 713 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,560 someone who they're trying to market to. 714 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,560 It's a nice 1-2 punch. So certainly it's great content 715 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,160 for us, but it's not great content for us. 716 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,000 If you go away, I don't want you to go away. 717 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,800 And I don't think anyone, for the most part, commenting on 718 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,920 this stuff wants AEW to fail. But it's disturbing, quite 719 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:12,760 frankly, that WWE was able to pivot and, you know, clean up a 720 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,040 lot of their mistakes and provide a product that we were 721 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,240 hoping AEW was going to be. That's disturbing. 722 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,880 All AEW had to do was just be what you said you were going to 723 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,720 be. Unfortunately, you just have not 724 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:33,680 hit the mark, Tony. So while we celebrate the fact 725 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,840 that you've lasted this long, there is a deep and serious 726 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,640 concern that come 2025, you may not be here anymore. 727 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,400 And if you are, it's not going to be anywhere on the scale that 728 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,640 you are right now. We don't want that to be people 729 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,560 we care about are going to be affected by that. 730 00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:02,040 We don't want that, brother. So it's imperative that change 731 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,120 gets ushered in like yesterday right away. 732 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,920 This whole nonsense about, well, there's still a young company, 733 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,520 Give them time, Give them time. Time is up, man. 734 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,760 Time is up. You you should not be a modern 735 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,160 company and you need to be given time to do the most basic stuff 736 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:29,480 such as treating women fairly. There is no reason why AEW 737 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,600 should still average only one women's match per television 738 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,800 episode. It doesn't make sense. 739 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,520 And for those of you out there who want to say well they just 740 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,200 had two matches, two women's matches on collision the other 741 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,720 night and and two weeks ago they they had two women's matches on 742 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,240 Dynamite and will. Will they have nice segments? 743 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,440 No, Look at the yearly average. What does it amount to? 744 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,640 The same thing it's amounted to all along for the whole history 745 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,000 of the company. That is not acceptable. 746 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,040 There's something wrong with that now. 747 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,280 Thank goodness you finally had some people of color become 748 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,520 world champion back-to-back here. 749 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,360 You have some old Joe. Now you have Swerve. 750 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,240 But the way Swerve has been treated as ridiculous, Swerve 751 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,560 has not been presented as the face of the company. 752 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,400 Swerve has been presented as another guy in the company. 753 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,440 When do we correct that problem? I heard people saying, whoa, it 754 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,920 was such a big deal, it's a big win that he defeated Will 755 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,840 Osprey. Is it? 756 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:38,080 The last time I checked, Will Osprey was never WWE World 757 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,160 Champion and he's never been AEW Champion and he's never even 758 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,880 been TNA Champion. How is it a big deal that Swerve 759 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,200 defeated Will Osprey, a guy that he's defeated previously in his 760 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,680 career, in both their careers? That's not a big deal. 761 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,920 It's ridiculous. Will Osprey, hey, might be a 762 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,840 nice guy, all that good stuff. He has not arrived yet. 763 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,360 Let me say that again, Will Osprey has not arrived yet. 764 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,040 Defeating him when you're the world champion is not a big 765 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,560 deal, but you know it would be a big deal. 766 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,520 Swerve defeating Jon Moxley, a guy who's been champion in the 767 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:27,080 WWEAEW New Japan, yes, that's a victory. 768 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,400 That makes sense. Let's have plenty of that, put 769 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,360 him in a feud and have Swerve defeat Moxley over and over 770 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,560 again. Definitively, that makes sense. 771 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,880 You want to make a face of your company, that's an easy way to 772 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,240 do it. Get MJF in there with Swerve, 773 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:48,520 put them in a feud. Have Swerve come out on top, 774 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,800 That will do it. Swerve should be beating every 775 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,760 single previous champion in that company. 776 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,920 And I can't beat CM Punk. He's gone, but everybody else 777 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,240 and I know Omega, he's injured, so whatever. 778 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,880 But everyone available Swerve should be defeating them. 779 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:13,560 And anyone who has not held that title or has not held the WWE 780 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,600 title, they're chopped liver. They're chopped liver. 781 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,760 They have not arrived yet. It's not a big deal to defeat 782 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,520 them. He should be defeating him. 783 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,120 He is your world champion. He's supposed to be the face of 784 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,680 your company. That is not a feather in the 785 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,960 cap. So don't sell me a Bale of goods 786 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,760 and tell me that they're roses when in reality they're manure. 787 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,520 Give me a break. Again, we want the best for AE W 788 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,080 And that's the other part about this. 789 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,840 When you listen to Devon's criticisms, when you listen to 790 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,800 my criticisms, there's always information about how to 791 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,760 improve. It's never just that's wrong and 792 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,360 that's the end of it. It's never just complaining just 793 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,680 to complain. There's always, hey, this is how 794 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,960 you can make that better. There's a reason for that, 795 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,240 folks. We care and many out of you out 796 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:16,360 there listening care and all of you fragile folks out there who 797 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,440 just enjoy wrestling and, and, and well, does it have to be 798 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:26,680 tribalism and all this nonsense? I, I'm just going to tell you 799 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,440 flat out Sox versus Yankees in the, in, in Major League 800 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,440 Baseball, the Boston Red Sox versus the New York Yankees. 801 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:41,280 It's the biggest rivalry in sports, Celtics versus Lakers in 802 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,520 the NBA, the Boston Celtics versus a lot Los Angeles Lakers. 803 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,160 It's one of the biggest rivalries in sports history. 804 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,400 Do I need to keep going in every sport and explain this to you? 805 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,160 Rivalries matter. You see it on an interesting 806 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,800 scale with the WNBA, right? You got Caitlin Clark and and 807 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,080 you have Angel Reese. These two powerhouses coming out 808 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,240 of college now they're in the WNBA, right? 809 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,360 Rivalries. This is healthy for the sport. 810 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,800 Look how it's driven ticket sales and interest in every 811 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,840 other sport. Pro wrestling is sports 812 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,200 entertainment. But the same concept in regard 813 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,080 to rivalries matter. When you pick a company over 814 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,240 another company and you want one to do well and you want them the 815 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,040 best, the other company, that's a rivalry. 816 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,960 WCW and WWE went through that. TV ratings and ticket sales and 817 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,320 making money and all that went through the roof for everybody. 818 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,200 It was fantastic. Fans were engaged like never 819 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,520 before. So for all of you fragile people 820 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,480 out there who can't wrap your head around the concept of a 821 00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:01,440 rivalry and and you know, touch grass, touch grass, well, stay 822 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,120 off the wacky tabacky because clearly it's messing up. 823 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,360 It's clouding your judgement. Don't touch that grass. 824 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,400 Stop touching that grass. It's not helping you. 825 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,440 It's messing you up. It's getting you paranoid. 826 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,000 You're getting that skunk weed. You're not getting the good 827 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,640 stuff, baby. All right, I'm just telling you 828 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:23,800 right now, Smarten up. Having some type of US versus 829 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,680 them situation is actually a good thing, especially for 830 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,960 people who are emotionally stable enough to be in on it, in 831 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,080 on the joke, the whole Red Sox versus Yankee. 832 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,080 Listen, I've seen people come to blows over that. 833 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,200 That's a little extreme, but you know, I grew up seeing that 834 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,240 happen. But I'll tell you right now, 835 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,520 both of those franchises make money hand over fist because of 836 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,080 that rivalry. It's just the way it is, man. 837 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,800 So why can't we have that with WWE and AEW? 838 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,520 Because I'm going to tell you when you want one company to to 839 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,520 be more successful than the other, when you pick a side or 840 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:08,040 when you switch sides, you don't want the rivalry to to end. 841 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,400 You want the the the rival to still exist and come back 842 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,600 another day. And hey, you know, quiet as it's 843 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,920 kept. Sometimes you want the the rival 844 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,440 to kick your ass so that you can come back 10 times stronger and 845 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,320 be motivated. It's not a rivalry if it's one 846 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,680 sided all the time. You need some kind of mix up in 847 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,600 there, right? That's the whole concept of 83 848 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,840 weeks, which Eric Bischoff was gracious enough to talk about 849 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,280 that on the show. I digress. 850 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:41,120 Listen, folks, we want AE W to stick around. 851 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,640 We want that to be a place where people could make some money. 852 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,400 We want the rivalry to exist, but we need you to be healthy 853 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,880 and stable. Stop acting like a bunch of 854 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,240 lunatics out there. Some of you take it easy. 855 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,120 It's OK. You'll make it through this. 856 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,600 I promise. Anyway, on behalf of the Hall of 857 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,360 Famer himself, Devon Dudley, this is the Duke from Duke Loves 858 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,760 Wrestling. Letting you know we appreciate 859 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,240 you and we thank you. Can't wait for you to join us 860 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:20,720 again for another episode of Devon and the Duke. 861 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:27,360 Take it away. Tony Shavani, this is Tony 862 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,200 Stevani. And we're desperately out of 863 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,480 time on Duke Love Wrestling.