1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,560 The man and the tune bring the heat. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,360 Wrestling tails knock you off your seat. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,760 TuneIn. Now don't you be late. 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,040 Wrestling Punk has never felt this Great. 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,080 Tails, ladders, chairs, they tell it all. 6 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:23,360 From the highest highs to the lowest fall. 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,680 Great glory, tails from the ring. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,280 Every chain, every cheer they'll bring. 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,480 Wrestling podcast never felt this crazy. 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,560 Brothers and sisters, welcome back. 11 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,720 Welcome back to another exciting edition of the Devon and the 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,960 Duke podcast. This is a limited edition series 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,800 hosted by your main man. Duke loves wrestling and of 14 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,120 course, the five time Hall of Famer, one of the greatest of 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,520 all time, the YouTube sensation Devon Dudley. 16 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,240 What's going on there, Devon? What's going on? 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:16,800 Just got done doing I think what 9 videos in a row so we can have 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,560 in the can so they'll be able to pump it out. 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,680 Yeah. And you got some special guests. 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,600 I don't know if you want to you want to tease any of that, but 21 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,960 you got some special guests that are going to be on the YouTube. 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,440 Absolutely. Zack Ryder, Matt, Matt. 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,960 I can never say his last name. Matt Cardona. 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,440 Cardona, thank you, and Stevie Riches from ECW. 25 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,600 You know, Stevie has kind of turned himself into some to a 26 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,400 expert on the do's and don'ts of pro wrestling, especially the 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,760 unsafe stuff. He does a very good job of 28 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,720 breaking down why something is unsafe and stuff like that. 29 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,520 He's he's a pretty sharp guy, huh? 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,280 Yeah. He really is very smart to the 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,720 business, knows what he's doing. I really like Stevie a lot. 32 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,400 I always have. Yeah, yeah, he seems like a good 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,320 guy there. And of course, Matt Cardona, AKA 34 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,440 Zack Ryder, the fact that he is married to the United States 35 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:17,200 champion who happens to be a Canadian, Chelsea Green, you 36 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,160 know, I, I got to give him props for that alone. 37 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,720 Well, you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to go on record. 38 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,000 I don't think I've ever seen a bad looking Canadian girl. 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,880 I mean, every Canadian girl that's ever been in the 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,640 spotlight, whether it be wrestling, whether it be any 41 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:36,880 type of sports, whether it be singing, they're all hot, man. 42 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,160 Yeah, yeah. They really are. 43 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,520 It's not a bad, they're not a bad looking Canadian chick. 44 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,880 I was, I was, I was like before I got married, I was like, man, 45 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,520 maybe I should go to Canada to get me a girl. 46 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:53,000 Of course, that was before I got married. 47 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,800 Listen, don't, don't mess around now you know you your your 48 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,360 fellow Hall of Famer there, Trump, he might deport you up to 49 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,760 Canada. You keep talking like that. 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,440 Well, I could say, well, I wouldn't be mad at him, but I am 51 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,320 married so I can't do that. Yep, Yep. 52 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,240 Yep, Yep, stay out of trouble now. 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,120 Stay out of. Trouble. 54 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,440 I need to say my black ass out of trouble. 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,160 Yes, please got. Too much going on here. 56 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,280 Please, please. But no, that's cool man. 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,760 It's cool that you connected with those guys again, 58 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,920 especially your your ECW brethren, Stevie. 59 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:30,280 I think that's really awesome. What is your connection with 60 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,320 with Zack Ryder AKA Matt Cardona beyond just like, did you 61 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,680 produce for him or something? Well, we worked together in the 62 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,920 ring when I came back, and I also produced for him. 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,040 So, you know, I did a lot of stuff with Matt. 64 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,520 So you know it. Yeah. 65 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,880 So you know, this, these generation of wrestlers like 66 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Matt and them. Oh, Kurt, you know, it's been 67 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,760 great, you know, that I've been able to work with these guys and 68 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:02,080 really, really, you know, be able to do stuff like this with 69 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,000 them. And you know, it's just, it's a 70 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,000 testament to when we came back, how much respect these guys had 71 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,640 for us. Well, you, you came back and you 72 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,240 gave back and. Exactly. 73 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,360 You know, it's funny, I, I was talking to my lady about this 74 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:21,800 the other day because she manages people and I have, you 75 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,960 know, a pretty strong management background myself. 76 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,520 So I was reminding her, hey, no matter what happens, people 77 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,320 never forget the way that you treated them, especially if 78 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,320 you're somebody who's in a position of being a mentor, a 79 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,800 manager, a trainer or whatever on the job trainer, like in your 80 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,800 case, eventually you, you went from working with them in the 81 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,360 ring to being a producer and helping them layout matches and 82 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,360 stuff like that. They never forget how you 83 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,240 treated them. So if you're a jerk, they going 84 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,760 to remember you're a jerk, you know what I mean? 85 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,520 But if you're, if you're a gentleman and you've been 86 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,600 helpful and you poured into their cup and, and they're 87 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,320 better off because of it, which is the case with you, they never 88 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,360 forget that man. They never forget that. 89 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,160 So you know, that's a testament to to you being a gentleman and 90 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,240 doing the right thing. So shout out to those guys and 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,440 shout out to you, bro. Can't wait to see that that 92 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,680 material there. Well, you know, again, we really 93 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,680 got some good stuff coming up and I really hope the fans like 94 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,560 it and enjoy it, but also like and subscribe, get the word out. 95 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,200 And again, let us know what you want to see on the channel too. 96 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,080 We we listen, we read the comments. 97 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,000 So just let us know. Absolutely, absolutely. 98 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,600 And, and especially when it comes to other guests and 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,000 collaborators and what have you. If there's somebody that you 100 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,240 want to hear Devon speak to, especially on the channel over 101 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,320 there, please let him know. Let him know. 102 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,800 Absolutely. And the and the channel is just 103 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,640 Devon Dudley right on YouTube. Yes, it's just Devon Dudley. 104 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,800 Awesome, awesome stuff there. Listen man, we're on the road to 105 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,280 WrestleMania. So one of the things that 106 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:08,520 happens during this time period that I've noticed because you 107 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,760 know, I have a Facebook groups and different communities on 108 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,600 social media. So being able to, to gauge fan 109 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,240 interest in different ways there. 110 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,400 The engagement is always through the roof right around this time 111 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,720 period and it it typically lasts through April where people are 112 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,480 just so plugged in the WWE they can't consume enough content. 113 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,560 So not just the current stuff, but they they want to go back 114 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,040 and watch stuff from the past and talk about it and things 115 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,560 like that. There's just a buzz because 116 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,000 WrestleMania is the granddaddy of them all. 117 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,800 It's the thing that we all grew up on, we loved the most and all 118 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,280 that good stuff there. From from that perspective, how 119 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,600 are you feeling? Do you feel the energy that that 120 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,440 is the road to WrestleMania, so to speak? 121 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,560 You know, on a scale of 1:00 to 10:00, I'm going to probably say 122 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,040 mine is a three or four. And it's not because it's WW ES 123 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,440 fault. It's because I've been out of 124 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,920 tune with all my outside projects that I've been doing 125 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,840 and I really haven't had a chance to really follow a lot of 126 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,080 stuff. You know, I followed the Naomi, 127 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,040 Bianca and Jade thing. I thought that was great. 128 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,400 You know, looking excited to that to see where they go with 129 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,880 that. You know, the whole Rock thing 130 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,000 with Cena, you know, looking to see what happens there, you 131 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,560 know, so there are a lot of stuff that I'm really, really 132 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,160 eager to watch and see. But you know, that high pitch, 133 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,000 you know, WrestleMania Flint, I don't have yet. 134 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,120 And again, it's not WWE's fault. It's the fact that I haven't 135 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,600 been in tune with the company in a long and and some time because 136 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,560 I've had other things that I've had to deal with. 137 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,920 That's fair. That's fair. 138 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,720 When. But when you're out and about, 139 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,400 do you? What are you seeing out there? 140 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,640 Are people talking about mania at all? 141 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,080 No, I think some of the buzz is still around John Cena turn. 142 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,800 And I just had a conversation with a guy in the sauna at the 143 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,000 gym, and he brought that up and how, you know, he was happy that 144 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,280 John had turned and that, you know, I think people have been 145 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,800 anticipating it and so forth and so on. 146 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,160 And I told him, I said, yeah, you know, but who's this? 147 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,680 You know, Vince didn't want him to turn, didn't think it was 148 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,000 good to turn even though everybody else did. 149 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,640 Vince didn't. So my thing is, you know, being 150 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,960 that Vince didn't, it was probably good that he didn't 151 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,880 turn them because now look at what we got. 152 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,360 Who's to say we would have the same reaction if he would have 153 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,080 turned them when everybody want him to turn? 154 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,799 Well, and, and keep in mind in order to turn who probably other 155 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,200 than Hulk Hogan is probably the John Cena is the biggest 156 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,960 babyface ever. In order to turn somebody like 157 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,000 that who's generating all of that revenue with merchandise 158 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,240 and all this stuff, he's doing the Make a Wish stuff, you got 159 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,720 to have somebody replace them and. 160 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,040 I don't know if Bodie's digging up to do that. 161 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Well, well, I'm not even talking about, I'm not even talking 162 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,520 about right now. I'm just talking about 163 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,840 throughout Cena's career. You know when when he came in, 164 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,840 Austin was already banged up. Pretty much done, right? 165 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,960 Who was the big Hollywood? Yeah, Rock was in Hollywood, so 166 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,480 it's not like he could be full time. 167 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:19,440 Who would have been the babyface that could have filled in and 168 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,400 still maintain the revenue that WWE was making? 169 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,360 If you don't have John Cena as your top babyface and you have 170 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,560 them as actually your heel, could you even think of a single 171 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:34,240 person who could have slid into that role during those 25 years 172 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,160 and actually held things together? 173 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:37,920 To be honest with you, I don't think I know. 174 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,200 I don't think I have the answer to that. 175 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,640 Brother, I can't think of a single person, and that's no 176 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,560 disrespect to anybody, but that is a nod to John Cena's 177 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:51,000 commitment and dedication and connection with the fans. 178 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,160 It's not as simple as he's a good guy and the other guy's a 179 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,280 bad guy. It's like, no, this person has 180 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,360 touched the people on a scale like we've never really seen 181 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,680 other than Hogan. Hogan had me and you when we 182 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:09,200 were kids that exact same way that John Cena had these kids. 183 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,200 You know, it's, it's literally the same thing, but Cena did it 184 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,720 for longer at that level. So which, which makes this turn. 185 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,520 I've been thinking about this and I guess we'll transition 186 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,040 into this because the debate is, is this the biggest turn in 187 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,320 history? Is this is John Cena turning 188 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,320 heel bigger than Hulk Hogan turning heel? 189 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,320 And I've been going back and forth, but I'm, I'm, I'm going 190 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,280 to, I'm going to land on this. And I want to get your, your 191 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,880 take too. I think Cena turning heel is a 192 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:47,720 bigger deal because it was harder based on society and all 193 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,400 the things that we had already experienced. 194 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,600 It was much more difficult for John Cena to be a babyface as 195 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,760 long as he was compared to when Hogan was a babyface. 196 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:03,800 So as a result, I think it hurts more the, you know, the people 197 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,080 who looked up to John Cena and care about him because it's 198 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,680 still a whole new generation of kids who are into that hustle, 199 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:11,920 loyalty, respect, never give up, all that stuff, dressing like 200 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,520 him and all that. I think it hurts them more. 201 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,800 When Hogan turned heel in WCW, Hulk Hogan as a as a babyface 202 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:25,080 really wasn't that hot anymore. So, you know, it was like kind 203 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,360 of whatever, John Cena's still John Cena. 204 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,200 So I think this is a bigger turn. 205 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:36,880 What would say you, Devon? You think John Cena's turn is 206 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,800 bigger than Hogan's? Only because of when Hogan's 207 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,440 happened. He it was. 208 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,640 It's not like it happened when he was red and yellow Hulk Hogan 209 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,440 in WWE. That's the only reason I don't 210 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:55,840 think Hulk Hogan was as big of a babyface in WCW as John Cena has 211 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,520 been. As big of a babyface he's as 212 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,600 he's been in WWE. Well, I will say this, I feel 213 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,800 that the whole I, I do feel that the Hogan turn was bigger. 214 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,840 And I say that because of look at all of the garbage and stuff 215 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,680 like that that was thrown in the ring at the time. 216 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,640 Look at the reaction from the the fans were just, it seems to 217 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:26,040 me that the fans were more shocked than anything when John 218 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,440 turned. And then you have some cheers 219 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,080 because they have been waiting for it. 220 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,160 People have been waiting for John to turn for a long time. 221 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:37,480 Would you? And you know, it was like they 222 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,640 wanted it. They didn't see it. 223 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:44,480 They didn't see Hogan turning that night. 224 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,640 The only people that probably saw it a little bit at a split 225 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,720 second was when Bobby Heenan let the cat out of the bag when he 226 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,640 was commentating and said which side is holding on, you know, 227 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,200 But other than that, they didn't see that coming. 228 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,400 And so when that leg dropped, everybody was shocked. 229 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,000 There was no chairs. You had a couple of the smart 230 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,840 marks who had basically just started writing sheet, you know, 231 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,440 the dirt sheets and stuff like that that would cheer on the 232 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,480 front row. The big heavyset guy. 233 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,680 When you go back and look at that, you know, guys like that, 234 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:19,920 they were like happy, but they their voices weren't loud enough 235 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,480 to, you know, sit there and to say that they were cheering 236 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,800 because Hogan turned back. The majority of the people show 237 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,960 their disgust by throwing that garbage in the ring and reacting 238 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,160 the way they did. You got when if you go back and 239 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,520 look at it, when he when Cena first did it, you got you got a 240 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,360 lot of cheers. It was it was cheers. 241 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,920 I think some of it was being surprised, but I also just feel 242 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:53,440 they got cheered just for the simple fact that, you know, 243 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,680 people that have been waiting for John to turn, they wanted 244 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:58,840 him to turn. Now, if John would have turned 245 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,040 back when everybody wanted him to turn a few years back, then 246 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,040 you probably would have got the reaction from the crowd the way 247 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,080 Hogan got it. But you didn't get that. 248 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,520 That's the only thing that makes it to me, makes it different 249 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,440 than when Hogan turned. And that's why I feel Hogan's 250 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,960 turn was bigger. Listen, I, I respect that take 251 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,360 and I don't think you're wrong. And I guess history is just 252 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,240 going to have to let us know because you know, with Hogan 253 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:29,880 turning, that also coincided with WCW kicking WW ES ass for 254 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,800 83 weeks. And, and the NWO to this day is 255 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,560 still one of the biggest brands in wrestling. 256 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,880 It's, it's definitely probably the biggest brand in, in 257 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,920 wrestling history other than WWE. 258 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,960 So I, I, I, I see your logic. I see your logic and I guess we 259 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,640 just have to wait for this to play out. 260 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:55,000 I will say though, this past Monday on Raw when Cena cut that 261 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,800 promo which lasted for you know was like 1/2 hour promo, Cody 262 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,520 came in and it halfway through and then they had a promo 263 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,600 together. But Cena explaining why he 264 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,760 turned, telling the fans that I'm breaking up with you, 265 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,920 telling the fans that is this is your fault. 266 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,520 I'm in a in a abusive relationship with you fans, 267 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,000 because no matter what I do, it's not good enough. 268 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,200 You know, saying that he's not going to change his music, he's 269 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,840 not going to change the way he dresses just because they want 270 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:33,920 him to know the way that he laid out his logic is so classic 271 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,800 because there's so much truth in what he's saying. 272 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,800 And yet it's it kind of reminds me, Yeah. 273 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,400 It reminded me of Randy Savage when he was complaining about 274 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,080 Hulk Hogan and and all the things that Hogan did to him, 275 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,840 which drove him to the point where he had to turn heel. 276 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,800 It it was it was a very similar. I got that feeling like, wow, 277 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,280 damn. He kind of makes a lot of sense 278 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,320 here. But the fans were ripping him 279 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,120 apart. They booed him out of the 280 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,560 building. They wouldn't stop. 281 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,120 So. OK, but let me ask you this. 282 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,920 Yeah, yeah. It was an overseas crowd. 283 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,240 Could he have done that here in the US? 284 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,320 Could he have gotten that same reaction? 285 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,640 I mean, it's almost like going overseas fans are very different 286 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:23,120 than the fans here in the US. You're right. 287 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,480 You're absolutely right. I mean, the last time we we 288 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,280 heard fans carry on like that, especially for the entire 289 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,760 episode of Raw was the last time they were overseas. 290 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,240 Like you, you're right. You, you don't necessarily get 291 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,720 that in the in the US, So that's a good question. 292 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,800 Well, if they would have done that, that also that also can be 293 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,080 because they don't get to see the wrestlers like they do here 294 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,480 here. It's almost like we're spoiled 295 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,160 here. You know, they can wait two or 296 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,520 three months and see AWWE event, you know, or maybe even less 297 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,840 time. So, you know, now that you go 298 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,319 overseas now they, it's almost like all that pent up energies 299 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:08,640 coming out and it's letting loose that that's what I feel. 300 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,119 You know, I could be wrong, I could be right, I don't know, 301 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,800 but that's what I feel. No listen man, you you, you 302 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,560 bring up some valid points. If it happened in MSG, you don't 303 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,800 think MSG would have would have gone crazy like that booing him 304 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,600 and carrying on? Well, New York is a different 305 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:34,560 animal, especially Madison Square Garden. 306 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,440 I, I, I don't know if it would have been as loud. 307 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,880 I don't know. I, I can't answer that question. 308 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,600 Maybe it would have, I don't know. 309 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,880 But I just, I don't know, just the overseas crowd I've always 310 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,560 found to be a little bit more heartfelt. 311 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,240 And, you know, and when they're wrestling on their wrestlers 312 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,040 then in the US, in other words, I think they they're they're 313 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,080 investing more of their heart into the storylines. 314 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,200 And they do here because we're spoiled. 315 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,280 Even though they get it overseas on TV, they're still spoiled 316 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,320 here. You know they can go to any day 317 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,880 again. Like I said, they can wait a 318 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,840 month and a half to two months after being there and see WWE 319 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,400 again. I'll, I'll tell you something 320 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,520 which may skew my, my perspective on this, 'cause, you 321 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,520 know, Cena's a Massachusetts guy and you know, I'm a 322 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:36,720 Massachusetts guy. I know the people and I who own 323 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,680 the store, they actually sold it recently. 324 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,760 So I know the new owners too. But the people who own the store 325 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,080 with Cena was filming those Bounty paper towel commercials 326 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,560 from a few years back. It's an old general store in a, 327 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,440 in a, in a, in a town around here. 328 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:00,000 And it's, it literally looks like you're going back in time 329 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,480 to like the 50s or something like that. 330 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,200 The way it's set up and, and what have you. 331 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,960 So that's why they wanted to film in that store. 332 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,720 And when he was filming there, 'cause he did multiple 333 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,040 commercials in that location, I would talk to the folks, they'd 334 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,280 be like, oh, he was so nice to the kids and my, my aunt, my 335 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,200 nephew and this and that and whatever they were so over the 336 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,240 moon, they got pictures the whole 9 yards, right? 337 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,280 He, he did bouncy and he did Hefty trash bags in that store. 338 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,200 Well, he turns heel. And even though the store is 339 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,040 under new ownership now, they held on to somebody from the old 340 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,640 folks. So, you know, the neighborhood 341 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,120 would still feel good about tradition is still there and all 342 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,360 that good stuff. The lady literally said to me, 343 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,760 John Cena, as soon as I walked in, John Cena. 344 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,840 And I'm like, yeah. And she was like, my nephew is 345 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,320 so upset. He, he doesn't want to wear the 346 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,240 T-shirt anymore. He's so up. 347 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,600 And I'm like, Oh my God, you know what I mean? 348 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,520 Like, this is crazy, that reaction. 349 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,360 And this is coming off the street basically. 350 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,280 So that's why I'm like, I, I it, it feels different for me. 351 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,680 It feels different. But I hear what you're saying. 352 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,240 I mean, listen, Hulk Hogan's biggest name in the history of 353 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,680 the of the business. So he going the other way. 354 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:23,240 It changed the business. Can we say that John Cena's heel 355 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,160 turn is going to change the business? 356 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,000 Probably not. Yeah, I mean, and I'm not 357 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,480 taking, believe me when I say it, I'm not taking anything away 358 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,960 from Cena's current. I thought it was tremendous. 359 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:38,320 I no, no, I don't know if I would have. 360 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,720 I don't know. And this is just me having the 361 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,720 rock, you know, do the 1-2. I know why he was doing it 362 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,400 because it's, you know, seen as three fingers, which was 363 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,040 originally the Dudley boys, you know. 364 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,160 But you know, I understand why he was doing it, but IA little 365 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,280 bit of me wish he wouldn't have because I would have liked to 366 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,960 have seen the hug, maybe get the face. 367 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,960 But the minute we saw the face and then Rock do what he did, we 368 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,520 knew there was a turn. Maybe there is a hug. 369 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,800 We get the face. Are we seeing what? 370 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,480 Wait, why is he looking like that? 371 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,960 Steps back. Maybe there's a smile. 372 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,680 There's the kick. Got it. 373 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,600 Draw it out a little bit more is what you're saying. 374 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:23,160 Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe, you know, WWE will look 375 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,400 at that and go D don't know. What the fuck? 376 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,680 You don't know what the hell he's talking about. 377 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,040 You know, I don't know, I, I just look at I, I just saw it 378 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,440 like that because I was just like, I didn't want the Rock to 379 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,200 do that. But he did it and it is what it 380 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,160 is. I'm sure they had their reasons 381 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,800 why he did it that way. Well, let me ask you this 382 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,120 because again, we're on the road to WrestleMania. 383 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,600 It looks like Randy Orton is going to be in a program with 384 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,440 Kevin Owens, which that is what it is. 385 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:56,080 But when you look at Cena and he has The Rock in his corner, 386 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,960 would you take Randy Orton and and and make him part of the 387 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,160 heel turn where he and Cena are part of the Rocks faction? 388 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:09,320 I can see that, but I also feel that we've seen Randy turn so 389 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,640 many times. You know, how many more times 390 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,840 can we see it? But then again, it's like, OK, 391 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,240 what? You want him to retire, you 392 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,680 know, because he's seen it so many times. 393 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,360 How many times can we see him as a babyface? 394 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,880 I don't know. I do think that the turn was way 395 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,760 too much for Randy and there was a lot of times where I didn't 396 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,760 agree or didn't like that they turned them. 397 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,200 But again, it wasn't for me to, you know, to, to, to witness. 398 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,720 So it is what it is with that. Well, it's like the old joke 399 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,640 about the big Show. You, you could watch Big Show on 400 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,960 Raw and he's a babyface. And then you turn on Smackdown 401 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,080 and he's a heel. It's like you never do what you 402 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,040 were going to get with him. Because, you know, there was a 403 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,560 period of time where that that kept happening, where they, the 404 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,480 writers were, were confused, you know what I mean? 405 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,160 It's like, wait a second. I thought he was supposed to be 406 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,360 a heel. Like, why is he smiling at the 407 00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:00,000 crowd? So, hey, it, it, it all is good 408 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,880 stuff. At the end of the day, it all 409 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:07,840 comes down to excitement. Like you said last week, we have 410 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,920 a John Cena that we're now more interested in with this 411 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,880 retirement tour. If he was just a babyface, it 412 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,160 would be like, Oh yeah, whatever. 413 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,960 But now you actually want to see what's going to happen next and 414 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,880 who he's going to wrestle with. Can you imagine, well, would you 415 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,600 put the belt on him at WrestleMania? 416 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,160 Would you have seen him beat Cody Rhodes? 417 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,840 I don't know. I don't know. 418 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,080 I mean, do you want to see him break the break the the, the, 419 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,560 the record or what? I I see that's all because this 420 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:48,680 has been brought up to me before and personally I said no, I 421 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,840 wouldn't want to see it. But then why did we turn him 422 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,360 heel in the 1st place to get all this heat? 423 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,280 Why not have him beat Cody and have Cody chase him until the 424 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,760 retirement? Yeah, I mean, I, I think Cody 425 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,000 should be his last match and he should be putting the belt on on 426 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,120 Cody during that last match. Absolutely. 427 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:11,480 So why not have him do that rest of man? 428 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,680 Now, when is John supposed to be leaving? 429 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,840 He said that literally the last WWE event in December will be 430 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,400 his last match. When? 431 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,160 The last WWE event in December, so whenever that is, is at the 432 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,480 end of the month in December of 2025, this. 433 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,080 Year. That's usually at the garden. 434 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,320 Yep, Yep. That's usually that holiday 435 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,200 Christmas special, yeah. Yep, Yep. 436 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,200 So it's not like we're going to do this next year. 437 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:47,320 This is it, this is it. So a lot has to happen between 438 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,720 now and then. Right. 439 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,040 You know, because it's not like Cody's the only person he's 440 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,600 going to wrestle. He's going to, he's going to 441 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,720 have to wrestle Randy Orton one more time because that's his 442 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,960 biggest feud. So that's going to have to 443 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,800 happen. But there are, there are younger 444 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,000 guys that he needs to get in the ring with and, and, and help out 445 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,720 as well. So he's going to be a busy boy 446 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,560 in next couple of months. He's going to be a busy boy, 447 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,320 which would make sense. If you put the belt on them. 448 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,920 If you put the belt on them, now you have stakes on top of 449 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,400 everything. It's interesting. 450 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,160 The whole thing is interesting. I can't wait to see what happens 451 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,120 next. I thought that crowd on Raw was 452 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,800 through the roof. They were in Germany. 453 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,280 I thought they were through the roof. 454 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:38,560 I really enjoyed their energy as a performer, as as a legend, as 455 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,880 a Hall of Famer. Which way do you go with that? 456 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,840 Does it, does it ever get to a point where it gets annoying 457 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,120 that the crowd is basically hijacking the show? 458 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,960 Cause 'cause you were doing that in ECW, you and Bubba were 459 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,640 literally playing the fans like fiddles and getting them all 460 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,480 riled up and carrying on. That crowd participation was 461 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,760 something like, you know, you we really hadn't seen before, 462 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,120 despite the fact that, you know, in the 80's the crowd would 463 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,040 cheer and go crazy. But there was a different energy 464 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:14,240 in ECW that legitimately what we see today in these international 465 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,920 tours are really just a bigger scale of ECW. 466 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,200 But did did it ever get annoying or or did you enjoy it the whole 467 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,880 way through? No, I enjoyed it the whole way 468 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,200 through. Let me just say this, like I 469 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,400 said earlier, these fans don't get, you know, the wrestling 470 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,480 that they're going to be on a regular basis like they do here 471 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,000 in the United States. So when they come, they make 472 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,440 they they, they make it known that they're here to enjoy the 473 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,320 show. They want to do exactly what 474 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,160 they see on TV. They want to do exactly what 475 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,440 they've been programmed to do, and that's really be involved in 476 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,240 the match. Sometimes it might go a little 477 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,160 crazy, but you know what? At least they're not sitting on 478 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,480 their hands. Yeah, that's a good point. 479 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,040 No, reaction is definitely not what you want. 480 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,720 Unless you're unless you're in Japan. 481 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,120 Yep, Yep, good point. Good point. 482 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,160 You're in Japan. Sitting on your hands is not a 483 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,400 bad thing. They, you know, you got to get 484 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,680 used to that. And that's the hard part with 485 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,320 young wrestlers who go to Japan for the first time. 486 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,200 They don't get the reaction that they would get, you know, in the 487 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,320 United States in terms of the cheering and booing where 488 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,240 Japanese fans, you know, they'll sit on their hands before they 489 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,320 even do anything like that. So, and and that's not all 490 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,960 cases. Like they really go out for 491 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,840 their for their Japanese wrestlers. 492 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,760 But I've noticed that, you know, with with guys, you know, who 493 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,400 come in from, you know, other countries or what have you. 494 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,880 It's like they said, they're not, it's not, it's not a sign 495 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,840 of disrespect for them. It's a sign of respect when they 496 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,960 don't do that. And that's what I learned. 497 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,560 Well said. Well said. 498 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,200 It's interesting. I mean, we're talking about 499 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,480 fans. We're talking about fan 500 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,280 participation and all that good stuff there. 501 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,600 Something happened out there in in Mexico with a guy that you're 502 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,840 very familiar with, Alberto Del Rio or sometimes. 503 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,880 Yeah, I just read something, but it didn't go in. 504 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,520 It didn't go in detailed about that. 505 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,320 What happened? So he was wrestling at an event. 506 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:32,400 It was a AAA event in Tijuana over the weekend and after 507 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:40,680 beating El Gio del Doctor Wagner fans were were storming the the 508 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,880 barricade. They were upset. 509 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,960 You know, obviously it's they didn't want Alberto to win. 510 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,160 So they were upset about that and, and you know, they, they 511 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,520 were throwing things at him. They threw pennies at him. 512 00:28:54,520 --> 00:29:00,160 They threw a beer at Alberto. So in response to what the fans 513 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,000 were doing, he ran after them and, and, and took a chair and 514 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,800 threw it at them and it actually hit old lady. 515 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,400 So this wasn't any funny, funny ha ha either that people were 516 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,920 really pissed off because they were emotional about the match. 517 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,560 They didn't want him to win but Alberto snapped and took a chair 518 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,680 and threw it at them but hit the wrong person. 519 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,880 So what say you on that? I mean, I don't think fans need 520 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,520 to be throwing stuff at people so that that should have never. 521 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,200 Happened. How bad? 522 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,720 How bad did the lady get hit? Not that it matters, but I'm 523 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,520 just curious. Well, she got hit bad enough 524 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,600 that Alberto was suspended for 180 days. 525 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,440 That's what that place hadn't. Yeah, that's what I read. 526 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,920 You know, fans, you're right, should not be. 527 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,800 Now, we talked about this earlier when Hogan turn the fans 528 00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:00,320 upset, emotionally invested in a match and in the story that is 529 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,400 very dear to them. So and one hindsight, we're 530 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,200 saying, yes, it's good that the garbage was being thrown in the 531 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,400 ring and and then that could have just means you're 532 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,720 generating good heat. And then on the other sense, 533 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,400 we're like, wait a minute, you know, it's like you're pulling 534 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,840 back the curtain. We got to decide which way we 535 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,440 want to go, you know? You know, Bubba and I got stuff 536 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,080 thrown at us all the time, and we loved it. 537 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,640 There was only times when people would try to reach over and grab 538 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440 us to hit us, where we would fight back and we would go at 539 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,240 them. But other than that, you know, 540 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,960 when the garbage was thrown in the ring, we didn't do it. 541 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,200 You know, Mexico, I heard was was good for that in terms of 542 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,320 their fans getting, you know, invested in the storylines, in 543 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,000 the matches and actually trying to, you know, actually hurt 544 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,400 people for real. You know, you know what we what 545 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,280 they call shaking, meaning trying to stab somebody with a 546 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,160 knife and they're walking to the ring. 547 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:04,480 You know, I used to hear stories about that all the time, and it 548 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,280 always scared me to go because it's like, OK, guys, it's pro 549 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,440 wrestling. I understand you're emotionally 550 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,560 invested, but come on. Seriously. 551 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,320 So you want to take something you want, take a knife or 552 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,320 something and stab me or hurt me because you don't like that I 553 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,600 won. I think it's wrong. 554 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,720 But I also think that, you know, Alberto's got to be careful 555 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,440 because he knows how some of these fans are, especially in 556 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,760 Mexico, and he knows that. So he's got to kind of relax. 557 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,720 He's got to keep his cool because if not, things like this 558 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,000 would happen and get out of control. 559 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120 No doubt about it. And listen, I Alberto, he's, 560 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,960 he's a guy, you know you, you've seen it all with him. 561 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,520 People putting him over people, you know, disparaging him and 562 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,760 what have you. I've always been a fan of his 563 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,000 work. I don't know the guy personally, 564 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,520 but I've always been a fan of his work. 565 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,360 I just hate to see this kind of negativity around him because it 566 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,120 seemed like he was picking his career back up and, and things 567 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,800 were going well. You know, 180 days is a long 568 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,040 time to be laid off from, from doing the thing that you love to 569 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,280 do and that you make a good living doing. 570 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,040 So. You know, that's unfortunate, 571 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,040 but shame on the fans and quite frankly, shame on AAA. 572 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,360 Where the hell was security? That's the way I look at that. 573 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,160 You know what I mean? Why aren't you protecting 574 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,080 everybody in that situation? Right. 575 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,840 They Alberto should have never been in a position where he 576 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,560 could have thrown a chair into the stands. 577 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,920 They should have been on top of those fans. 578 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,320 Somebody, somebody should have been on top, somebody should 579 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,480 have been on top of Alberto. Yeah. 580 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,920 You know, I didn't get him. Out of there. 581 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,360 Yeah, if you remember back in the days of Dusty and Flair, 582 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,520 when all when that stuff was done all the time because, you 583 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,160 know, the word wasn't out yet that pro wrestling was a work. 584 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,400 And so a lot of these people believed that it was what it 585 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,120 was. And how when Flair or the Four 586 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:07,000 Horsemen would try to make it back to the locker room after 587 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,360 doing something to Dusty or what have you, they would have 588 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,360 security allowed them, walking them to the back, trying to 589 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,280 protect them. You know, maybe that should have 590 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,760 been taking any consideration. They probably didn't think it 591 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,360 was going to be as bad. By the time they realized it 592 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,720 was, it was too late. Couldn't do anything about it. 593 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,960 Yeah, that's true. That's true. 594 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,400 It's it's unfortunate man, but it seems like a pretty harsh 595 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,760 punishment. But the lady did go to the 596 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,320 hospital and I guess her, her injury was significant. 597 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,080 So that's why they had to at least look like they were doing 598 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,200 something about it. But that's a harsh punishment. 599 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,520 I hope they banned some of those fans from ever coming back to 600 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,200 AAA cause they don't have any business there If they're going 601 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,200 to be trying to assault the wrestlers like that, that's 602 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,280 ridiculous. Well, did they find out who did 603 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,440 it? If they found out, You can't ban 604 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,320 the fans if you don't know, because you know where the 605 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,040 garbage came from or whatever they were throwing that hit. 606 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,080 Alberto, you, you, you, you can't, you know, unless you tell 607 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,520 everybody they can't come back, then you won't have no show, you 608 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,800 know. But I, I don't know. 609 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,679 How do you how do you pinpoint who did it unless you actually 610 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,520 saw them? Well, now you bring up a good 611 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:23,199 question here, because did Alberto see who threw the the 612 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,760 pennies and all the garbage at him or did he just pick up a 613 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,239 chair and just throw it? You know what I mean? 614 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,600 Just from a general standpoint, that's that's actually a good 615 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,719 question. Well, do we know that? 616 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,800 No, we don't know that yet. We don't know that yet. 617 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,600 You know, that's, it's unfortunate though. 618 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,120 You hate to see that sort of thing. 619 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,120 And, and these companies, man, they, they got to get a little 620 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:53,080 better at protecting everybody. There has to be some level of 621 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,159 safety at these events. You know, there really should 622 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,640 be. It should be, It should be. 623 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,440 It's in, in. I'm going to transition into a a 624 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,040 very tragic situation that happened over the weekend. 625 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,120 An independent wrestler by the name of Vince Steele, he passed 626 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:19,560 away in the ring. The guy was wrestling for Brie 627 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:27,240 Combat Wrestling BCW and during an event in New Jersey on 628 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:32,400 Sunday, he was in a four way match and he just, he, he went 629 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,520 down and he started clutching his chest in the corner and it 630 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,160 just took a turn for the worse, man. 631 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:46,040 Well, unfortunately, there were no medical professionals in the 632 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,080 building not on duty. And this is this is the tragedy 633 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,600 of it all, because it's not like Vince Steele passed away right 634 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,320 away. He, he was still, you know, 635 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,520 there was a period of time that he was just in trouble and 636 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:10,960 someone called 911. The EM TS didn't get there and, 637 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,360 and I'm getting this information from people who are actually 638 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,760 there. The EM TS didn't actually get to 639 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:22,960 Vince for 45 minutes. Now, I'm being very specific 640 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,680 about what I'm saying here. The EM TS, the police were the 641 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,880 first to actually arrive on the scene, but they didn't 642 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:36,440 physically get to him until over 20 minutes after he had gone 643 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,120 down initially. And they did have a 644 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,480 defibrillator. So they did try to use that on 645 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,080 him. But at that point, man, it was 646 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,240 it was too late. It was too late. 647 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:54,400 You know, in New Jersey, it's the law that when you have full 648 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,640 contact events like MMA, boxing, pro wrestling, it's actually in 649 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,360 there. They call it extreme wrestling. 650 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,440 That's how they separate pro wrestling from like Olympic 651 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,920 wrestling. They call it extreme wrestling 652 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,160 in the in the actual law, but it says you're required to have two 653 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,880 EMTs and they have to have the proper equipment because there 654 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,240 are different types of EMTs. You're not going to have the the 655 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,280 EMT that you would have at a sporting at, at a concert. 656 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,440 You're not going to have them because they're not going to 657 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,640 have the same equipment as what you would have for a full 658 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,440 contact situation because it's different. 659 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,040 Somebody passing out at a concert because they drank too 660 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,520 much or something like that doesn't have the same issue as a 661 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,680 pro wrestler who has a concussion or is having a heart 662 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,840 attack or something like that, which basically is what happened 663 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,280 to this guy. So given all that information I 664 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,480 just gave you that Devon, what do you, what do you think about 665 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,040 that situation? I don't know the sense this is 666 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,160 something like this happened before in Mexico. 667 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,880 Wasn't Rey Mysterio part of that? 668 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,280 It was a little different but yes, Rey Mysterio was in a match 669 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:04,160 and he did the 619 and and unfortunately his opponent had 670 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,240 whiplash and ended up dying as a result of that. 671 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,400 Now my point to this is what I'm about to say is that when are we 672 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,680 going to learn our lesson? You know, WWE is doing a great 673 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,000 job. Let me let me just say this was 674 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,280 I mad? Yes. 675 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:28,720 I was furious when I couldn't participate in the NXT stuff 676 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,520 with Trick and Bubba in them and even just coming in there and 677 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,520 doing, you know, the 3D because we didn't know. 678 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,800 I didn't know and we in the Max didn't know that they wanted me 679 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,920 to go through extensive testing because of my back, because of 680 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,560 the back surgery I had. And in order for me, you know, 681 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:59,240 like Randy Orton had the same exact back back surgery that I 682 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,800 had, which I didn't know at the time until I called them up and 683 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,560 we spoke. I remember saying to them, how 684 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,720 the hell are you still in there doing what you're doing? 685 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,200 I freaking cringe at every bump you take now because I know that 686 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,960 I'm scared to death to do that, you know, but he had to get 687 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,680 cleared, you know, just like I did. 688 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,640 He had to get cleared. You know when it's one thing 689 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,480 when you have WWE behind you and doing it or when you're a Randy 690 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,200 Orton, you know, because they'll make sure you go through the 691 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,720 necessary channels to get cleared because you know, of 692 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,160 course WWE has to cover their ass. 693 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,640 But I didn't know that. And we even Terry Taylor, you 694 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,480 know, who was the agent for that match and didn't know that. 695 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,400 So I'm on my way to go to medical just thinking I'm 696 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,720 getting my blood pressure checked. 697 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,880 And then we were told that I couldn't participate in it 698 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,840 because I didn't get medication. I'm like, what do you mean I 699 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,520 didn't get medication? I said I'm clear. 700 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,840 No, you have to go through their doctors. 701 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,400 So if there's something wrong, you know you're they're going to 702 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,280 know. We need to learn our lesson. 703 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,040 WWE is doing a great job with that. 704 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,960 Like I said, I was pissed off and mad, but at the same time I 705 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,120 kind of understood where they were coming from, you know, so I 706 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,320 couldn't get. People bent out of shape and 707 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,640 said, oh, WWE screwed me. No, they didn't screw me. 708 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,280 They were taking the the necessary precaution to protect 709 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,760 me. Here's the problem. 710 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,240 Back in the Attitude Era, back in the Hogan and Andre era, your 711 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,040 arm could have been falling off. Take some tape, wrap it up, get 712 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,720 right back in the ring. That's the way they were, you 713 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,800 know, And you know, they don't like that anymore. 714 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,480 And thank you they. Are basically right. 715 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,840 They are definitely taking the precautions to make sure that 716 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,680 you are in good shape to do this. 717 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,200 A lot of these companies don't do that, but a lot of them don't 718 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,160 have the budget that the WWE has too. 719 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,840 So you have to put that in perspective as well. 720 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,520 So there's a lot of stuff behind that. 721 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,480 Again, these companies don't have the money that the WWE 722 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,400 made. They don't have it. 723 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,960 So it's like, OK, what do you do? 724 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,360 Oh, shoot, at least, at least have somebody who's part of your 725 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,480 company that is an actual certified EMT and that's how you 726 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,520 cover that base. You know what I mean? 727 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,640 I, I, I know that it's, it, it, it, it sounds crazy at first, 728 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,120 but it's like, look, if I got it, if I got to pay a couple, a 729 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,800 couple of bucks to have a guy who's always at the event and, 730 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,160 and he could do anything, he could be the damn time keeper. 731 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,120 He can, he could, you know what I mean? 732 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,600 He could be a manager or whatever, but in reality, he's 733 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,960 actually a trained EMT. At least I cover that base 734 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,160 because here's what's going to happen because they violated the 735 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,960 law. If the family wants to sue, 736 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,640 that's going to be a whole other level of something. 737 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,360 But you can bet your ass the state of New Jersey is going to 738 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,240 go after that promoter. They have to, you know what I 739 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,160 mean? The building is, is in trouble 740 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,960 because it happened in their building, right. 741 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,840 So there's, there's a whole trickle down effect that that is 742 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,760 a result of people cutting corners in places that they have 743 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,480 no business cutting corners. It's, it's unfair. 744 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,680 And, and in that life, who knows? 745 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,040 I mean, he was a £400 guy. Should he have even been in the 746 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,840 ring at all if he had? Gone through a proper, yeah. 747 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,960 Yeah, if he had gone through a proper physical, would he have 748 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,880 been cleared? You know what I mean? 749 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:32,880 So. So. 750 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,680 But again, that comes back to the promoter. 751 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,120 What are you doing, bro? What are you doing? 752 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,760 Yeah, I mean, do you remember when Vince went public and 753 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:48,400 stated that WWE was entertainment and we were not 754 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,800 legit because they were trying to beat something? 755 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,720 They were trying to. I forgot what it was. 756 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,040 Well, they were. Congress is coming after them. 757 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,640 Congress is coming after them. They wanted to regulate them 758 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,120 like a real sport. So that's why he had to say 759 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,880 we're not sports, we're sports entertainment. 760 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,200 I remember that. Absolutely. 761 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,720 And so at that point they had to have a doctor on the floor, a 762 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:15,200 legit doctor and had to have an MATMATEMTS. 763 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,360 So there you have it. This is why I said it. 764 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,480 WWE is doing a great job without, even though Vince's 765 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,560 hand was forced because he made that statement, you know he had 766 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,720 to do it. Therefore, guess what? 767 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,520 It covers his, it covers his ass. 768 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,120 Look at what happened when Jerry the King, Lawler had the heart 769 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,560 attack. They had people down there. 770 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,480 There's no telling what would have happened if those people 771 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,480 weren't down there at the time when Jerry had that heart 772 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,960 attack. He wouldn't have made it. 773 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,160 The he wouldn't have made it. The unfortunate thing was Owen 774 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,960 Hart. That was unfortunate because 775 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,000 there was nothing they could have do. 776 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,080 A lot of people are saying that he died before that anybody got 777 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,520 in the ring because when he hit the turnbuckle, he broke his 778 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,840 neck. I don't know that to be true or 779 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,160 not, but that's what I heard. So yeah, I don't know. 780 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,880 Regardless of who was there, regardless to who, basically, 781 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,080 you know, could have got to him in time. 782 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,000 If he broke his neck the way he did after the fall, there was no 783 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,320 way he was going to make me able to survive. 784 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,480 That's the only way. Things like that will not be 785 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,080 able to work. Because even when that happened, 786 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,760 Owen Hart got immediate medical attention. 787 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,040 Immediate. They were right there on the 788 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,520 scene. They were right. 789 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,880 Wasn't a second to spare. Yep, they were right there. 790 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,440 They were right there. So all you Indy promoters, man, 791 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,040 I'm just telling you right now, it's not worth it. 792 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,800 I know you have your dreams of promoting wrestling because you 793 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,320 grew up a wrestling fan and you want to be in the business and 794 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,920 all that stuff. If you can't afford to somehow, 795 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,640 someway have a medical professional there in a, a 796 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,680 certified EMT who's certified in the jurisdiction where you're 797 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,760 putting on the show, you have no business putting on the show. 798 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,600 I'm sorry, That's that's my opinion. 799 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,880 Life is always more important than whatever couple of bucks 800 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,360 you're going to make. And and then I heard from talent 801 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,360 that they didn't even get paid. So there's that whole aspect of 802 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,640 it too. But I'm sure the fans, because 803 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,160 the fans had to leave. This was like the third match on 804 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,960 the card, Devon. They had the fans leave. 805 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,360 So I'm sure those fans want a refund too, right? 806 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,760 There's a lot of stuff that's going to come out of this. 807 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,400 Yeah. Bro, you haven't heard. 808 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,480 You have not heard the end of this? 809 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,280 By no means. No, it's it's going to be 810 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,760 national news, might be international news. 811 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,760 And it's unfortunate that because this was something that 812 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,040 should have been avoided. You know what I mean? 813 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,400 From what I understand, the guy was moving for at least 10 814 00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,000 minutes after he went down. If he would have gotten proper 815 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,840 medical care, probably could have saved his life. 816 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,320 So. Now explain to me again what 817 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,560 happened to him to be in that position. 818 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,360 He was in the match. I'm, I'm not sure what moves or 819 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,600 what or or what kind of bumps he was taking, but he just clutched 820 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,880 his chest and he went down. He had a heart attack. 821 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,600 Wow, he had a heart attack. Yeah, now you said something 822 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,920 that that treated me. You said he was £400. 823 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,160 Big boy. I mean, you see picture of him? 824 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,720 You see, he's a big boy, Yeah. See, and that's, that's the part 825 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,640 that bothers him too, you know, don't get me wrong, you have a 826 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,440 lot of guys in the wrestling business. 827 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,360 That was £400 but nowadays with what we know, why isn't someone 828 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,280 taking more responsibility to make sure that guys like that 829 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,560 are in shape? Yeah, I mean, but he should have 830 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,200 had a physical that would, that probably would have eliminated 831 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,080 him from being in the ring, you know? 832 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,360 And then you get, then you get people to hear you say that 833 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,400 like, oh, come on. But no. 834 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,960 Because now look at where we are. 835 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,360 Yeah, Yeah. Now look at where we are. 836 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,680 I I don't. Know what his. 837 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,320 Family situation is but you know, that might be kids without 838 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,040 a father. That's that's parents without a 839 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,600 son. That's, you know what I mean? 840 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,960 Like that's, that's a big loss, man, that's a big loss. 841 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,600 So rest in peace. My condolences go out to the 842 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,480 family. Devon's condolences go out to 843 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,480 the family of absolutely steal, you know, tragic, tragic 844 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,080 situation there. You know, Devon, I, I, I want 845 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:37,600 to, I want to end on something that happened that unfortunately 846 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,800 we got to talk about it. And I know that, you know, you 847 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,840 and I, we have our conversations offline and, and, and what have 848 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,160 you. And, and having to broach these 849 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,680 subjects is never something that we want to do. 850 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,200 But sometimes you have to do it because people just step out of 851 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,080 line and it ain't right. And folks, you know that Demont 852 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,320 and I will. We, we first, when Demont first 853 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:07,280 came on 2 clubs wrestling, we had to address an issue relating 854 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,720 to Dylan Hines and Bobby Fulton. And you see where those guys are 855 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:16,360 these days. So you know when, when Devon has 856 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,840 to, has to go in on something, it is what it is. 857 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,040 And one thing we know Devon is not a liar. 858 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,520 It's one thing that people always say, well, we know Devon 859 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,000 tells the truth, so it is what it is. 860 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,480 But when you have people who I don't know, they overstep their 861 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,360 bounds. Are they, are they drunk with 862 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,280 power? Is disrespect just something 863 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,280 that is natural for them? I don't know. 864 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,040 But when you have people who crossed the line, it needs to be 865 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,080 addressed. So I'm going to ask you straight 866 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,960 up, big man, what happened recently that unfortunately not 867 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,880 only crossed the line with you, but also crossed the line with 868 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:56,880 Terrence and Terrell? Yeah. 869 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,920 That well, you know, I basically had put something to rest that 870 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,640 you and I had talked about. Well thinking what is it, 871 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,320 Russell? Russell Cade. 872 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,280 Russell Cade, That's correct. Yes, Russell. 873 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,800 Cade that was and there's what the not the guy that runs the 874 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,000 place, Tracy, but the guy that Tracy has working for him, 875 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,240 Brian. Yeah. 876 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,720 To refresh some of the people's memories, what happened was back 877 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:29,000 in November when Bubba and I appeared at their event, 878 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,760 basically we were said there was talks about us doing a couple of 879 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,920 things #1 coming out and doing a photo op with the Hardys. 880 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,880 And it was the first time that the Dudleys and the Hardys were 881 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,360 doing this. And this was, you know, deemed 882 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,960 to be very big though somebody. There was some miscommunication 883 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,160 on how it was supposed to be worded to the fans. 884 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,560 So then it got all messed up. So when fans were coming to us 885 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,920 now remind you we were right next to the Hardys signing 886 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,400 autographs. We were supposed to do it in a 887 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,960 private room, so to speak. When they do private, you know, 888 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,840 photo OPS. And so we were doing good. 889 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,600 Everything was good. There was there wasn't any 890 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,680 issues. And then there had seemed to be 891 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,280 some miscommunication. Now I thought we were doing it. 892 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,560 I had no idea what was going on. I was informed by the Hardys 893 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,160 agent who's my agent as well, but at the time he wasn't. 894 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,600 When this took place I was told that there was seem to have been 895 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,280 a miscommunication on how this was supposed to have been worded 896 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,800 to the fans and that it was supposed to have been the 897 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,800 Hardee's and the Dudley's taking photo OPS. 898 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,680 But if I'm not mistaken, I think it was said that we were signing 899 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,240 doing signing together but we were already sitting next to 900 00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:58,280 each other. That's one #2 the photo office 901 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,280 was separate from the signing. So somehow or another it got 902 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,240 mixed up. Now, the thing that that bothers 903 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:11,120 me the most is that the guy Brian was telling my sons at the 904 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,680 time that your father is a bad guy, he doesn't do business well 905 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:22,000 because he no showed the Hardys. And I said to my son, I said, he 906 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,720 said that to you. And he said, yeah, dad. 907 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:27,880 Both of them said I was like, ah, he was like what happened? 908 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,320 I was like nothing. You see, the Hardys are right 909 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,240 here. I was like, I don't know you 910 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,920 talking about I I know showed. So you know, it caught me off 911 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,560 guard. I'm like, how are you going to 912 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,560 blame me for something that was messed up by you? 913 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,200 But yet I do bad business. That didn't make any sense to 914 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,400 me. And so I was told by the 915 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,240 Hardee's agent, Tony Hunter, that it had been called off, 916 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,720 that it was too much miscommunication that was going 917 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,040 on and that they were lucked not to do it. 918 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,040 But meanwhile, somehow or another I got brought up in the 919 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,680 mix, like I never showed up or me and Bubba both didn't show up 920 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,200 and we stood up. The Hardee's. 921 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,520 We're sitting right there next to the Hardee's. 922 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,080 Here's the other part that was weird and I never said on the 923 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,040 first time we talked about this, we had photo OPS as well. 924 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,520 We went to go do our photo OPS and guess who was next? 925 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:27,560 The Hardys. So we were told by both Matt and 926 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,880 Jeff and Tony Hunter that we're not they're not doing it 927 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,720 because, you know, it was a mess up and it just wasn't right. 928 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,160 So I was like, all right, you know, they they're not doing it, 929 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,480 So why are we going to do it? So how is that bad business for 930 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,080 us? That's one number two. 931 00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:52,640 The second thing was they wanted me and Bubba to come in and 932 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:58,000 wrestle for their show. We said yes, we were going to 933 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:03,360 wrestle. Then we found out that somebody 934 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,000 they we came up with a number and we said yes to it. 935 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,640 But then we found out that somebody took us and sold us to 936 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,680 somebody else. In other words, there was 937 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,360 another promoter that wanted to take over that and somebody 938 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,280 within that company told us to this vendor. 939 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,960 And now it's almost like we're wrestling for practically 940 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,960 nothing because the amount of money that they received for 941 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,600 selling us was like, I think I heard it was like 2025. 942 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:35,760 It was, it was a large amount of money. 943 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,680 So that means that when Brian and Bubba, Brian Winstein and 944 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,720 Bubba did the math on it, they said it was like we were only 945 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,560 going to get $1000 for the match. 946 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,160 So they called me and they said, look, we're not doing this. 947 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,560 This is what happened. And when they told me, I 948 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,960 couldn't get mad at them because if you hired us to come in there 949 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,040 to do a job for you, then let us come in there and do the job. 950 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,080 Don't sit there and sell us to somebody else and think that's 951 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:13,040 OK. And so I took a stand with Bubba 952 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,480 and, and Wednesday happened. Absolutely. 953 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,080 I think it's wrong. Can't do that. 954 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,080 And Bubba was like, I'm not doing it. 955 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,720 I said, OK, not a problem. I got to stand by you. 956 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:26,760 I'm not going to afford the Bubba to say hey, you got to do 957 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,240 the show and blah, blah blah. No, I'm not, that's not a fight 958 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:32,160 that I'm going to do #1 #2 it's not a fight that should be 959 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,440 happening in the 1st place. You don't go and do business 960 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,600 like that. That's one. 961 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,160 So then Brian proceeds to tell my sons that your father is a 962 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,760 bad man, he's not a good father at all. 963 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,160 And they said what do you mean what happened? 964 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,680 Well, your father refused to come in the ring and do and help 965 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:58,360 you guys out without telling the boys what the real deal was. 966 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,960 And they said, what do you mean? So they were like he he's a bad 967 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,080 father. He would go to NXT and help 968 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,720 trick Williams with his match, but he can't help out his own 969 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:15,800 sons. Number one, WWE called me and 970 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,360 asked me. I'm still in the contract with 971 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,200 WWE, especially my legends deal. So guess what, when they call 972 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,600 me, I'm going. It's just as simple as that. 973 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,040 You can't tell me I can't. I got to turn WWE down and why 974 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,280 would I? So for him to say that, you 975 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,880 know, pissed me off. I'm a bad father because I 976 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,480 didn't want to do something with my boys. 977 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,760 So then even right before that, when me and the twins were 978 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,080 talking, I said, you know what I want? 979 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,600 I'm going to help you out Bubble knob Bubble won't be able to do 980 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,800 it because he's not going to want to do it because of how he 981 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,960 felt the how things went down. So I'll tell you what, go back 982 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,120 to them and tell them that I will do it. 983 00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,560 I will go out there and be a manager. 984 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,200 Like for you guys, I'm not wrestling, but I'll be a 985 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,280 manager. So they went back and they said 986 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,040 something to Brian and Brian said, no, no, it was like my dad 987 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,800 said he's going to he's going to walk us out there. 988 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,040 No, no, that's OK. Nope, we're not doing it. 989 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:15,840 Now. Scratch it. 990 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,280 Forget it. And he was like, why? 991 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,160 Your father's a bad man. He's a bad father. 992 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,560 He shouldn't be doing that. And when they came back and told 993 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,960 me, I go, what? I go I'm sitting here telling 994 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,520 you that I'm going to do it and you don't have to pay me 995 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,960 anything to help my sons out. So how am IA bad father? 996 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,560 Because I'm telling you I'm going to do it to walk my sons 997 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,560 out and be their managers for the match. 998 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,240 And so I I time to calm down this and that. 999 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,000 I remember speaking to you about this. 1000 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,400 I remember you spoke to Tracy about it. 1001 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,800 Tracy apologized. I said OK, not a problem. 1002 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:58,120 So about two months ago, I do an autograph signing for Russo. 1003 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,080 Cade had a independent show that they had, and I went out there 1004 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,840 in great business, no problems. But I saw Brian and at first I 1005 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,040 didn't know what he looked like until I asked. 1006 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,440 Somebody said there's Brian right there. 1007 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,240 I said that's Brian. I said, yeah. 1008 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:13,400 I said let me go up there and ask him. 1009 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,560 So I asked him very nicely. I said Brian. 1010 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,160 I said the story. I told her. 1011 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,080 I said, did you say I was a bad father because I didn't come out 1012 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,320 and wrestle with them? No, no, I never said that. 1013 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,440 I never. And you could tell he was lying. 1014 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,800 You know, he's a big, fat butterball. 1015 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,760 You could tell he was lying. And I'm sitting up there going, 1016 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,160 you got to be kidding me #1 the people that told me this, 1017 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,160 including my sons, they're not going to lie about it. 1018 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,240 He goes, no, I didn't. I didn't. 1019 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,240 I didn't say that. But I know who did say it. 1020 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,840 And I said, OK, well, who said it? 1021 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:49,520 I'm not at liberty to say that. So a few people other than my 1022 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,080 son said that. You did say that. 1023 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,800 And you were running your mouth. So I'm asking you as a man 1024 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,600 politely. I'm not being hostile in any way 1025 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,000 shape or form. I'm not disrespecting Tracy at 1026 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,280 the show, but I'm asking you nicely. 1027 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,080 Are you the one that said this and you're telling me, no, you 1028 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,680 didn't, that somebody else said it, but you're not at liberty to 1029 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,000 tell me who it is. And he had this shit eating grin 1030 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,800 on his face. And that's when I knew he was 1031 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,600 full of shit. And I just went, OK, not a 1032 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,160 problem. And you know, I shook his hand 1033 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,480 and I walked away. You know, let it be, let it be 1034 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,360 known or what have you. Now I get a couple of phone 1035 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,200 calls stating that he's still talking mess and he's still 1036 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,000 going around saying stuff about this and that. 1037 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,840 Devon's kid ain't nothing. They can't wrestle and this and 1038 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,840 that and blah blah blah. You fat piece of shit. 1039 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,920 All you are is a freaking bald headed mark that tries to get a 1040 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,000 part of the business and can't. It's because of guys like us 1041 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,360 that shouldn't even have a job in this business in the first 1042 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,480 place, but yet you want to talk shit. 1043 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,720 This is where the disrespect comes in. 1044 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,800 So therefore, with all of that being said, you know, I'm like, 1045 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,120 OK Brian, not a problem. You're a snake. 1046 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:08,920 Damn. You're a liar. 1047 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:15,040 Listen, that Brian out there, please have a conversation. 1048 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,920 Straighten it out. You know what I mean? 1049 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,720 Because this is ridiculous. You know, it's best for Brian to 1050 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,760 stay far away from me. And and I know that Terrence and 1051 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,240 Terrell, they don't deserve any of that. 1052 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,040 You know what I mean? They they haven't done anything 1053 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,000 to anybody. So for for somebody to treat 1054 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,680 mistreat them is just ridiculous. 1055 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,120 It's completely ridiculous. I hope he he can reach Brian. 1056 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,040 You can reach out to me. We got to get this straightened 1057 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,960 out conversation. Try to find some common ground 1058 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,600 here. You got too many people saying 1059 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,960 the same story, brother. So, so either you, it's just a 1060 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,720 coincidence that everybody is saying the same story or, you 1061 00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:58,760 know, you're not telling the truth. 1062 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,680 But in, in any event, we got to get this sorted out man 'cause 1063 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,200 this is not good, not good at all. 1064 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,840 So, you know, folks listening, you know how we do here, we, we 1065 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,120 don't shy away from having these difficult conversations and, 1066 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,880 and. Quite frankly, there's too many 1067 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:26,480 people in the wrestling industry who lack basic respect and, and, 1068 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,760 and really, you know, decency. So you got you got a five time 1069 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,080 Hall of Famer here. I think he's earned a hell of a 1070 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,080 lot more respect than what's being shown here. 1071 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,640 So, you know, take that as you may. 1072 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,880 Someone said to me. Someone said to me, and I hate 1073 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,440 to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway, Why do you think 1074 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,520 he said this? Don't know, doesn't make any 1075 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,480 sense to me. You think he, you think he's a 1076 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,120 racist or anything like that? I said I don't. 1077 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,400 I can't answer that. But if I was on the outside 1078 01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:00,040 looking in, wow, I would probably say he probably had a 1079 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,640 problem with my skin color or something like that. 1080 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,000 I don't know. And I have to put up with crap 1081 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,280 like that in 2025. That's the worst part, man. 1082 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,280 Yeah, I'm sure he'll say, oh, I had nothing to do with all that 1083 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,400 is garbage. Yeah. 1084 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,240 OK, So what other excuses you have? 1085 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,320 Well, I didn't say it. Bullshit. 1086 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,080 You didn't say it. Yes, you did, and you know you 1087 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,480 did. So stop. 1088 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,640 Own up to it. I would have more respect for 1089 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,360 you as a man if you owned up to it than to sit there and deny 1090 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,480 it. Someone once asked me one time, 1091 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,360 because I got this from somebody, they said when I was 1092 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,360 first got in the business, how how do you like going to the 1093 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,840 South wrestling now, Mike, it's in 91. 1094 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,720 It hadn't even been 30 years since the Jim Crow laws and all 1095 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,320 of that. I said, how do you like going 1096 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,600 into SI? Said I actually like, it doesn't 1097 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,400 bother me at all. The fans like are hot. 1098 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,840 I was like, they really, really get into that wrestling this and 1099 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,600 that. What about the racism? 1100 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,680 I said, here's the difference between the racism of North and 1101 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,680 the racism down South. At least the racism down South. 1102 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,160 You know, they're races. You know that they don't like 1103 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,760 you because of the skin color and they tell you off the bat, 1104 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,920 but the worst kind is the ones up north that pretend they like 1105 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,480 you but yet they don't like you because of the color of your 1106 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,760 skin. I have more respect for the I 1107 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,280 have more respect for people who wear white sheets and all of 1108 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,680 that than the people that wear suits and lie about what they're 1109 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,400 saying. So as far as I'm concerned, he 1110 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,480 is a fat man in a suit. Yeah, I, I hope this guy reaches 1111 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,360 out and and gets it sorted out because this is, this is not 1112 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,160 good. It's not good at all. 1113 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,240 You don't talk, you don't talk about my kids and think I'm not 1114 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,200 going to get hot and then say something back. 1115 01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,680 You know, I was willing to forget everything that happened 1116 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,200 with the whole, you know, selling us to some other guy and 1117 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,520 getting more money. Forget all that because it was 1118 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,760 for my sons. So for you to throw your name, 1119 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,400 for you to throw my name, my sons names into something like 1120 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:04,680 that. And now you want to be mad at my 1121 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:09,120 son because they told me what you said, why you should have 1122 01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,000 said it in the first place? OK, I agree. 1123 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,800 I agree completely. Brian, reach out bro. 1124 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,640 Let let's let's get this sorted out, man, because this is not, 1125 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,960 it's not the way to to go And and more importantly, people are 1126 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,160 going to hear this. So how does that affect 1127 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,920 business? You know what I mean? 1128 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,160 You got to get it sorted out, man. 1129 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,440 That's all I know. Listen again, I want to make 1130 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:34,880 this perfectly clear. Sure. 1131 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,480 Now we'll leave it at this and we can end it. 1132 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,800 It has nothing to do with Tracy. This has nothing to do with 1133 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,400 Tracy that runs Rest OK. He has been nothing but a 1134 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,240 professional, utmost righteous guy for me and I have no issues 1135 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,560 with him. But the people who he has in his 1136 01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,560 organization I have problems with. 1137 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,080 Well said. Well said. 1138 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,000 When you have an issue, you got to make sure that it's directed 1139 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,160 at the right party. And certainly in this case, it 1140 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:03,240 certainly is so. But you know, Brian, 1141 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,920 conversation, bro, we, we, it, it doesn't need to stay 1142 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,640 lingering. Just have a conversation. 1143 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,280 Let's try to figure it out because this is not good and 1144 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,280 I'll just leave it at that. Devon, best way for everybody to 1145 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,080 keep up with you and and especially any, any bookings you 1146 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,600 got coming up. Absolutely. 1147 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,440 Well, I'm off for a little bit so I'm happy about that. 1148 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:27,520 I got a little bit of vacation, but I will be home this week. 1149 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,560 But you know, you can find me on Instagram at Testify Devon, of 1150 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,880 course, my YouTube channel, which is Devon W YouTube 1151 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,080 channel. I mean, you know, we've got well 1152 01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,440 over 127,000 subscribers. I've sat there, I've got myself, 1153 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,080 I've got my plaque. I was very eager about and 1154 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,400 excited to get there. So I got my plaque. 1155 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,280 Everything is going real well with that. 1156 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,680 So you know, I'm very happy. Now you got to help me get to a 1157 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:54,960 million. I need that gold plaque. 1158 01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,960 I need that gold plaque. So please everybody get the word 1159 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,760 out there and let them know that, you know, I'm, I'm ready 1160 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,880 for, I'm ready for that 1,000,000 subscriber. 1161 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,480 We need to push this and get it going. 1162 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:14,200 I love it. 2025, that's the best part. 1163 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,800 Like like you said, you know, you started what, 91 in 2025? 1164 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,760 I love it. Gold plaques, brother, I love 1165 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,200 it. Duke loves wrestling. 1166 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,960 On Facebook, on twitterdukeloveswrestling@gmail.com 1167 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,160 As always, let me know what you think of the show. 1168 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,560 Questions, shout outs, the whole 9 yards. 1169 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,640 Hopefully there aren't any terrible promoters out there who 1170 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,960 are disrespecting folks, you know, because, boy, I think 1171 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,400 we've had enough of that on all fronts. 1172 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,360 On all fronts. Think we've had enough of that 1173 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,440 anyways. How about our word of the week 1174 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,040 there, Devon? Sure, nothing kills you faster 1175 01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,800 than your own mind. Don't stress over things that 1176 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,520 are out of your control. Testify. 1177 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,640 Testify mean strictly for the common joy every day. 1178 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:16,760 Stepping style in your unique way, pants and colours so define 1179 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:26,640 all about the perfect life. Be yourself, let your spirit 1180 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,640 lie. In this fashion, you'll touch 1181 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:43,080 the sky strictly for the culture and so and show your shine 1182 01:06:44,560 --> 01:07:00,800 strictly for the culture. Every day, visit 1183 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:16,660 www.strictlyfortheculture.ca. Backstage whispers and the 1184 01:07:16,660 --> 01:07:23,340 crowds roar from matching giants to legends of your Diva's wisdom 1185 01:07:23,340 --> 01:07:26,940 and Duke's keen view. Every episode feels like it's 1186 01:07:27,060 --> 01:07:31,060 brand new. Diva and Duke bring the heat. 1187 01:07:31,740 --> 01:07:35,460 Wrestling tails knock you off your seat. 1188 01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:38,940 TuneIn. Now don't you be late, Wrestle.