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Visit strictlyfortheculture.ca. 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,560 Do it for the love, do it for the knowledge. 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,680 Most importantly, folks do it strictly for the culture. 13 00:00:58,440 --> 00:00:59,640 You are locked in. Look at. 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,400 What we have here. Folks, you're the only show that 15 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,920 matters. The Queen of the Crop, Duke 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,600 loves wrestling and there is no one that does it better than 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,400 your house. I have come here to chew bubble 18 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,360 gum and kick. Ass and I'm all out of bubble. 19 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:28,080 Welcome back to another wonderful edition of the Devon 20 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,920 and the Duke Podcast. This is a limited edition series 21 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,040 hosted by your main man. Duke loves wrestling and of 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,880 course the Hall of Famer himself. 23 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,200 For the Devon Dudley. How you doing that Devon? 24 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,600 I'm good, good, busy, just doing errands. 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,440 Bought me some sneakers today and needed them bad. 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,840 Man, I was having holes in the bottom of my shoes. 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,760 Devon can't go out like that. So, so, so we got to ask you 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,120 this man, what's what's your favorite sneaker line that you 29 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,960 prefer to wear? Nike, but I bought some Pumas 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,640 and some nice skecher. What do you call it? 31 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,560 Like track shoes? Really good, really nice. 32 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,880 Yeah, yeah, I. Prefer Nike? 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Yeah, I'm a I'm a Nike guy as well because listen as as 34 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,680 despite the fact that I am a very tall 5 foot 6 inches Steve, 35 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:20,480 I'm a very tall guy. Now I wear a size 13 shoe so 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,040 even in in middle school I was like a size 9 when I was 14 37 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,560 years old. So Nikes have always fit me 38 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,120 better than a lot of the other brands. 39 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,600 So I always stick with Nike. But it's funny that you 40 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,200 mentioned Skechers. Skechers make some excellent 41 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,040 walking shoes. Listen, I tried that shoe on, 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,520 man. I didn't want to take it off. 43 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,560 Yeah, yeah, it's, it's like walking on clouds, man. 44 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,280 Yeah. Oh, the cloud was so nice. 45 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,000 Yeah. Now do you do the the insoles as 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,320 well? Do you, do you mess around that 47 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,080 stuff? Good. 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:56,080 Yeah, good. Surgery, you know, I realized 49 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,640 how important stuff like that is. 50 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:01,760 You know, when you're young and everything works in your body, 51 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,560 you know, you don't really think about that, even though people 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,520 tell you about it as time goes on, you just don't think about 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,600 it. Then when you have surgery like 54 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,960 I did and you realize that the shoes that you used to, you 55 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,240 know, that you're used to wearing, you know, doesn't 56 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,680 really support you the way you thought it did. 57 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:26,720 And how much it really depended on the level of shoes that you 58 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,720 got, how your back took to it, and things like that. 59 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Because you just don't realize how much a sneaker or a shoe can 60 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,440 really make a difference in the way you walk and how you feel. 61 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,440 The stress that you have on your knees. 62 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,920 Again, the stress that you have on your back, you really don't 63 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,760 realize it. Because again, when you're young 64 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,360 and vibrant and you're out there doing your thing, you ain't 65 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,840 feeling no pain. You don't know that. 66 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Great point, great point. It's it's funny, I learned that 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,800 lesson in high school. I was working at a furniture 68 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,040 store and eventually I I worked my way up to being a a sleep 69 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,640 technician. So not just selling mattresses, 70 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,960 but learning about sleep and its effects on the body and things 71 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,400 like that and the importance of having the right type of 72 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,959 mattress and what that can do to you, you know, depending on all 73 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,560 your different aches and pains and pressure points and stuff. 74 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,880 So because of that, I started paying more attention to my 75 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,920 shoes and making sure every pair of shoe I get, I always get a 76 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,800 pair of insoles and put them in there as well. 77 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,160 And then I swapped those out at least twice a year. 78 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,000 You know, same, same concept mate. 79 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,280 You got to protect your back, got to protect your knees. 80 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,960 It matters, especially as we get older. 81 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,600 It certainly matters. So that's that's pretty cool. 82 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,680 That's pretty cool. Now listen, man, you, you, you 83 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,640 were able to ride out one of the biggest hurricanes that we've 84 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,800 had in in modern history, huh? Yeah. 85 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:57,400 I mean, look, we got some heavy wind, but barely any rain. 86 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,680 I mean, there were times before the storm got here, I think we 87 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,840 got more rain then before the storm got there than we did when 88 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:09,120 the storm. Came that. 89 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,960 That is fascinating too. But you know what you did say 90 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,240 based on where you are down there by Cape Canaveral, that 91 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,600 you folks haven't really gotten a major storm in at least 30 92 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,240 years. So I guess it it held true for 93 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,160 you where you you just don't get hit with that stuff. 94 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,480 Yeah, that was one of the reasons why they built the Space 95 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,480 Center over here on this side near Cape Canaveral. 96 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,400 Because of the way for the past 30-40 years, the earthquake, the 97 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,800 earthquakes, the storms of the Hurricanes have been coming to 98 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,440 Florida. For some reason, it veers away 99 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:51,080 from it. And we did get one back in 2003 100 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,000 where we had three back-to-back. I mean literally back-to-back. 101 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,080 I'm not talking a month or two months. 102 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,040 I'm talking literally within weeks of each other back-to-back 103 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,120 where the first one was OK, it was. 104 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:08,800 And the second one tore up Orlando real bad, Tore up the 105 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:14,240 beach side of near Cocoa Beach, things like that, and even hit a 106 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,320 little bit of Cape Canaveral, but nothing really bad and 107 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,200 severe over there. And then the third one that came 108 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,920 in barely did anything. So from that point on, I just 109 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,360 remember, you know, saying to myself, damn, you know, and that 110 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,960 was supposed to have been a big hurricane, but it but it did no 111 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,360 damage. I lost since I've been here in 112 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,880 Florida, a palm tree and some shingles off the roof and maybe 113 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,280 some screaming. But the position of where I am, 114 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,960 it's fantastic. And I feel bad for the people in 115 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,000 Tampa on the West Coast side. My heart, my heart goes out to 116 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,800 you guys. My prayers and thoughts are with 117 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,120 you because living on that side, although it's beautiful, you 118 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,880 know, outside of hurricane season, but man, during 119 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,840 hurricane season you are going to have to fear for your life in 120 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:08,080 some aspects or fear for the property damage and the stuff 121 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,760 that's going on. It's so bad in that aspect, and 122 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,800 I hate that because resting on beachside. 123 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,720 Beachside is beautiful in Florida, but you're taking a 124 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,360 chance just simply because of how the Hurricanes hit. 125 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,760 Yeah, for sure, for sure. And all that money going down 126 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,840 the drain. I mean, unfortunately some folks 127 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,000 don't even have insurance to cover against this. 128 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,360 You can't even get, you can't even buy nice things and make 129 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,200 your house look happy if you live on beachside because during 130 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,280 hurricane season, it's going to be destroyed. 131 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,040 The insurance goes through the roof. 132 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,480 You know which I mean, you buy beachside property, you got to 133 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,440 expect that your insurance is going to be high just because of 134 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,160 the insurance companies are not going to take any chances of 135 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,040 every time a hurricane comes. They got to shut out all that 136 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,200 money because guess what? The insurance company lose as 137 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,800 well. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's the, 138 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,120 they're not built to be giving money away. 139 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:12,000 They're there to make money. So, you know, but you know, 140 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,840 that's, that's actually a very good question, though. 141 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,800 As a, as a pro wrestler, I mean, is that something that you have 142 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,040 to disclose to the and if I'm asking a question that that's 143 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,040 taboo, then please correct me, but is that, is that something 144 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,680 you have to disclose to these insurance company on a personal 145 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,880 level? What do you mean disclose what? 146 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,880 That's that's your profession, pro wrestler, because obviously 147 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,840 for anyone who knows what the what the business is, just like 148 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,480 being an NFL player or something like that, you guys are walking 149 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,120 away with a lot of damage to your body. 150 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,320 So do you find it difficult to get insurance because of the 151 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,440 profession? Well, health insurance, yes, but 152 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,480 not so much to the point where it's difficult. 153 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:54,840 It's just that the premium that you're going to pay is going to 154 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,280 be through the roof a lot of times. 155 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,160 But again, it all depends on what insurance you get. 156 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,680 As far as home insurance, no, that has nothing to do with 157 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:07,360 anything in terms of that. The only thing that can affect 158 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,440 you in terms of your home insurance is where you are 159 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,600 located that that that affects it there. 160 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,080 But as far as health wise, that can be detrimental, especially 161 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,320 if you're not with a corporation. 162 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,360 Like for instance, me paying for health insurance on my own when 163 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,800 I was active in wrestling, the insurance was through the roof. 164 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,080 It was like almost $1000 a month, you know, and it was, it 165 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,960 was crazy. Sometimes it was even higher 166 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,960 than that, depending on if what insurance you got to remember 167 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,760 you want good insurance for your family. 168 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,880 So you're going to be paying out your ass. 169 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,600 You know, So when Vince is paying you all that money, he's 170 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,480 paying you all that money because all the stuff that you 171 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,200 got to pay outside of freaking the way you want to live. 172 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:56,800 But once I became a producer for the company, you know, we had 173 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,240 benefits and all of that. It was great. 174 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,240 The insurance was 50 times lower, you know, because of the 175 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,960 health plan that the WWE was able to provide for you. 176 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,680 So I think anytime you have a company that you work for as big 177 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:15,000 as the WWE goes, you're going to get great insurance. 178 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,640 If they're supplying that for you, it's when you're on your 179 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,680 own and you're a 1099 and they find out what you're doing for a 180 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:22,320 living is what's going to hurt you. 181 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:28,200 You know that's this is this is extremely in informative, 182 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,960 especially for these folks who are just starting off and even 183 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,240 for folks who are at the the middle point of their career 184 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,320 where they realize they're not getting any younger. 185 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,280 In your opinion, Devon, what's the point when you should Start 186 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,240 learning how to do something other than wrestle with if you 187 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,240 want to stay in the industry? At at what point should people 188 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,720 in their career, should they Start learning how to be a 189 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,880 producer or, or or learning how to be a a commentator or, or 190 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,040 something else so that they can have that extra skill in their 191 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,000 pocket just in case their career is over as a wrestler? 192 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:04,800 Here's what I think. I think it's your start. 193 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,200 The minute you get into business, the minute you start 194 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,360 working for a company, listen. Just because you make it to 195 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,560 where you are, like for instance the WWE, just 'cause you make it 196 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:21,360 to the WWE or AEW or TNA doesn't mean you stop learning. 197 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:25,120 Yes, you learn your craft and learn how to make your N ring 198 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,480 and promos and all that 10 times better than when you came from, 199 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,840 but you also have to put in perspective what happens when my 200 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,120 career is over? What am I going to do? 201 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,640 2 things behind that, number one, talking to Aunt Anderson at 202 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:45,000 that time, this is back in 2002. Aunt Anderson had a degree, I 203 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,280 forgot what he said it was in, but he had gotten it way before 204 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,480 he got into the business because he promised his family that he 205 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,280 would do that, you know, to have something to fall back on. 206 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,280 Now, he had been in the business for over 30 years at this point, 207 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,320 but you know, done what he done. And now when it was time for him 208 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,880 to retire, the degree that he had gotten was pretty much no 209 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,080 good because you got to understand he did that almost 30 210 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,920 years, almost 40 years before he got into the wrestling business. 211 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:18,800 So whatever whatever he majored in, time hurt him. 212 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,880 And I say that because everything that he learned back 213 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,280 then is different. Like for instance, I was going, 214 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,760 I was going to college for communication and broadcasting. 215 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,880 There was no way back in the early 90s that what I would 216 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,920 have, what I got back then could stand up to now because 217 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,840 technology changes all the time. You'd have to go back to school 218 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,200 to do that. And I remember Aunt Anderson 219 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,680 telling me he goes, Devon, I'm too old to be, you know, sitting 220 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:46,480 in the classroom trying to relearn all of that. 221 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,520 My mind frame is not there anymore to do that. 222 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,760 You know, I'm almost 50 something years old at the time. 223 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,800 He told me he was like, and I don't, I just can't. 224 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,360 I refuse to do it. So my thing is, you know, even 225 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,920 though you have that degree, you got to keep it active because 226 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,720 again, times change. What you thought you had the 227 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,400 knowledge of whatever craft you were going to do, you have to 228 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,160 keep up with it. Mine was communication and 229 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,520 broadcasting. I did it in high school and I 230 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,400 was going to college for it. But again, things change, 231 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,320 technology changes. That board that you see in front 232 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,480 of you is not the same board you watched or you practice with in 233 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,680 college back in in 91 or 89. It just, it's not the same. 234 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,440 There's so many new things that have gone on with it. 235 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:39,080 Let me give you a prime example. Look at DJs, you know, you take 236 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,720 a term, you take two turntables, you put them there and you start 237 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,360 scratching and doing all of that and you make the music from 238 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,040 there. Now all of a sudden they don't 239 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,760 do that anymore. Everything is digital. 240 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,680 So now you have to relearn everything all over again. 241 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,400 And it's hard, you know, for a person that doesn't have that 242 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,040 attention span to do that anymore. 243 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,520 So that was one thing that was always taught to me, especially 244 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,000 by Arnold Anderson, that, you know, even though you have a 245 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,680 craft and this and that, blah, blah, blah, you have to keep it 246 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:09,560 up. You have to keep it going 247 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:13,840 because as time goes on, things change and you have to keep up 248 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,000 with the times. And that's how that works. 249 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,840 So again, as a producer for WWEI wasn't ready for that. 250 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,680 You know, I'm I'm guilty of saying I didn't do that, so I 251 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,760 didn't practice what I preached, but I had to learn along the 252 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:29,680 way. Was it hard? 253 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,280 Absolutely. Did I make mistakes? 254 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,680 Absolutely. Did I have Vince McMahon and 255 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,360 John Laurenitis and other, you know, people, Kevin Dunn in my 256 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,160 ass? You know, and then what I mean 257 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,000 by that is, and for all you dirt sheet riders, don't fucking take 258 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,880 that seriously getting on me, you know, for messing up or 259 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,880 saying things wrong. And it's not blah, blah, blah. 260 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,400 But again, I had to learn the right way of doing things. 261 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,680 If I would have probably taken the knowledge of learning back 262 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:02,360 then. Because I remember, I remember, 263 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,760 you know, Laurenitis wanted all the producers to pretty much, 264 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,600 you know, if they have the time to go in there with Kevin Dunn 265 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,360 and watch how he produces things. 266 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,760 And I never took advantage of that, which I regret now. 267 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,400 Not saying that I would have went into that field, but I 268 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,800 regret not doing that, not going in there when I had nothing to 269 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,400 do or my matches were done early. 270 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,080 To go in there and watch Kevin at work and watch how that whole 271 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,160 operation works. I was only on headset calling it 272 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,840 to Kevin, you know, making sure that Vince was happy. 273 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,680 I never took that step beyond. You have to do that again, 274 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,720 'cause when the entering talent is done, and even if the 275 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,280 producing part is done for you, what are you going to do next? 276 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,880 You have to keep going. You have to keep striving to see 277 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,720 what the next chapter in your life is going to be, whether you 278 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,400 stay in that realm of business or you don't. 279 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,800 Sage advice. I love that and and you just 280 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,160 clued me in on something that Devon, this show helps scratch 281 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,640 that communications itch that you have. 282 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,280 Absolutely. Listen, before I started doing, 283 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,280 I remember when I first started with WWE and I started doing 284 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,680 interviews, I was nervous as hell. 285 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,320 I know I messed up a lot of times, but I keep telling like 286 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,920 my students, I say the more repetition you do, the better 287 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,000 you're going to become. So don't just be, if you're 288 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,000 scared of something, embrace it. Go after it 10 times more. 289 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,880 You're going to mess up, but you have to keep doing it to where 290 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,280 you don't and you have to feel comfortable with it. 291 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,320 So the interviews that I've done, man, I once I started 292 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,360 going, went realizing that I said to myself, you know what, I 293 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,320 want more and more. I would call the office and I 294 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,160 would say, hey, listen, if you ever want me to do these 295 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,440 interviews, please call me. I will do them. 296 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,360 I don't care how many. I'll do six in a row and I will 297 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,680 get home, man. Thank you, Devon. 298 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,360 A lot of guys aren't happy doing that. 299 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,360 I said no. I said I am. 300 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,800 I want to do it. I want to get better. 301 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,520 And that helped me to be able to do interviews. 302 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,440 Or even things like when you're doing a Comic Con on a parent 303 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,640 somewhere and they want you to do a 32nd promo, it helps you to 304 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,280 do that as well because it makes you feel comfortable on the on 305 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:15,680 the radio or even on your phone on your audio giving the promo 306 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,200 or what have you. They want to promote where 307 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,240 you're going to be. So it helps out tremendously. 308 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,000 So the more I did it, the better I became. 309 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,520 And it was one of those things where I loved it, you know, and 310 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,360 now it's like when everybody goes, hey, you know, I'm going 311 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,200 to do this interview. I'm going to do this interview 312 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,160 with you. If there's anything you don't 313 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,280 want to talk about, please let me know now. 314 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,160 I was like, no, I ain't going to let you know. 315 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:39,480 I was like, I know how to get out of it. 316 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,800 I'm not worried about it, and it won't make me look like a fool 317 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,640 either. So whatever you decide that you 318 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,320 want to say, and if I don't like it, I'll know how to get out of 319 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,920 it. That's good stuff. 320 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,480 That's good. Let's let's keep this train 321 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,480 going for a second here because I'm, I'm really, really curious. 322 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,440 And we have a lot of wrestlers who listen to the show. 323 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,800 Obviously they're on the road. They got to do something in 324 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,960 between towns and what have you. And, and they just love the 325 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,000 education that they receive listening to you and, and some 326 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,840 of the conversations that we have on here. 327 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,160 So, so here's a good one for you. 328 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,160 Let me set it up when I was a kid working at that furniture 329 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,840 store still in high school, you know, I, I was making maybe 100 330 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:24,960 bucks a week, let's say right when I got promoted to becoming 331 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,720 a sleep technician, which was actually a Commission sales job. 332 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,480 Now instead of being a kid making minimum wage, I'm making 333 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Commission and I'm selling 2, three $4000 mattresses. 334 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,720 So when you go from making 100 bucks a week to making let's say 335 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,520 $2000 a week on average as a kid, you're rich, you know what 336 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,320 I mean? But one of the, one of the old 337 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,120 timers said to me, they said, listen, when I got my first big 338 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:58,360 check, they said, listen, take that money and put it away and 339 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:01,480 act as if you never got it. Just keep putting it away. 340 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,280 You don't have to pay any bills. You're a kid, you're used to 341 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,000 only making, you know, 100 bucks a week and that was good enough 342 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,360 for you. So keep it that way. 343 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,360 Trust me, over time you're going to be happy that you developed 344 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:17,280 that skill. And it was so true, you know, 345 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,960 cuz we also had profit sharing and four O 1K. 346 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,600 When I became old enough to engage in that, I was, you know, 347 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,800 they were taking money out of the check and putting it towards 348 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,280 that. When I finally left and now I'm 349 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,120 in college, I was able to pull that money out and buy my first 350 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:35,760 car and then get my first apartment by myself. 351 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:42,480 So being able to save early benefited me long term in that 352 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,400 regard as a wrestler, especially starting off, when you go from 353 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,160 that point where you're only making a couple of bucks to when 354 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,600 you finally get that first big check, how easy or how difficult 355 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:59,640 was it for you to save? You got to understand during the 356 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,880 Attitude Era, the money was just coming in. 357 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,240 There were times where I would take the the paychecks and just 358 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,080 stack them up and see how far I could snack them up. 359 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,360 Before I could actually put him in the bank. 360 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,320 That's how good the times were then. 361 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,480 So I can only imagine what these kids are doing now in terms of 362 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,720 financially. I've, I've heard rumblings of 363 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,120 what the lowest paid guy on the roster might get. 364 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,520 And I think it's tremendous. You know, I'm not one of those, 365 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,280 so to speak, quote UN quote old timers that gets bitter because 366 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,320 of the money that is being produced now that wasn't being 367 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,240 produced back then. We made great money back then. 368 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,880 It wasn't hard for me to put money aside. 369 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,640 Did I do a lot good? Did I do the right thing with a 370 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,000 lot of it? No, I didn't. 371 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,360 You know, I had fun or what have you. 372 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,360 Plus, you had family members holding out their hands, you 373 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:04,000 know, and feeling sorry for them. 374 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,240 And that's why I always tell my students, I said, listen, if you 375 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,080 make it and you're making money, cut off. 376 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,360 Don't do not bring these yay OS into your life. 377 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,400 Trust me when I say it, the ones that you love the most are the 378 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,200 ones that's going to stab you in the back when it comes to money. 379 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,200 I'm telling you. That's deep. 380 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,040 That's deep. I, I hope you wrestles are 381 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,080 listening to that because that's, that's important. 382 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,960 We have some folks who are on the cusp of making it big, and 383 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,080 it's funny, I've spoken to a couple of them this week and 384 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,680 they've said, man, we really love the show. 385 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,680 We listen to it, you know, every week and what have you. 386 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,400 This is great advice for you. You know, be careful with the 387 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,640 folks with their hands out. Look at it like this, when you 388 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,760 were down and out, when you would call and ask to borrow 389 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,440 money, did they call you back? No, you say, hey, listen, my 390 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,480 rent is due on Friday and I don't know how I'm going to make 391 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,320 it. I'm short like $100. 392 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,360 Can you please spot me until I get paid again? 393 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,680 There's always when you're going to pay me back and blah, blah, 394 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,760 blah, you know, and like, well, call me on Friday. 395 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,760 You know, I'll call you on Friday. 396 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,600 Did you get that phone call? No, you didn't. 397 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,920 You don't owe them anything. That is your family. 398 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:20,840 They're supposed to love you unconditionally, but they don't. 399 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,920 They expect you to do for them before they do for you. 400 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,520 So the bottom line is, if Johnny needs braces, what would have 401 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,080 happened if you weren't in a position you were in to be able 402 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,720 to help Johnny get those braces? What would they have done? 403 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,240 Where would they have gone? Don't feel bad and sorry because 404 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,960 God forbid knock on something. If you lose everything tomorrow, 405 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,520 will they be there for you? They say they will, but will 406 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760 they really test the waters? Tell them no. 407 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,720 Tell them you don't have it, but you're on TV. 408 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,960 You're making all that money. That's where you that's where 409 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,000 you're gonna fucked up. You shouldn't have said that 410 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,280 because now I know where your head's at because I'm on TV and 411 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,320 I'm making money. You think I should have it to 412 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,240 help you? And the answer is no, I 413 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,720 shouldn't. I? 414 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,240 I put something on my Instagram that Ice Cube put up and I'm 415 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,040 going to try to remember what was said. 416 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,440 You know you're going to get mad at me for not giving you money. 417 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,600 I'm sorry. I got bills too. 418 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,040 I got kids and mouths. I had to feed. 419 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,880 So why am I going to feed your mouth and your kids and your 420 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,000 home? But I have my own home to feed. 421 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,400 And do you know, at the end of the day, this gravy train is 422 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,560 going to stop for me. I'm not going to be able to make 423 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,960 the money that I'm making now. So what's going to happen when 424 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,280 that money's gone? You're going to talk about me 425 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,840 'cause I didn't give you the money and didn't take care of 426 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,920 you and this and that, but you'll talk about me even more 427 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,720 as being the MC Hammer of the wrestling business, losing 428 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,440 everything than anything. Well said. 429 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,280 Well said. Again, sage advice for all of 430 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,760 you wrestlers, whether you're up and coming, aspiring or you're 431 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,040 in it, you know, just please you. 432 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,520 You're hearing from a guy who has been there and done that 433 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,080 many times over, and he's here to continue to share this wisdom 434 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,600 with you for sure. You know something, something 435 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,040 interesting happened since the last time we did a show together 436 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:31,440 here. AEW and NXT went head to NXT 437 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,680 destroyed AEW Dynamite in the television ratings. 438 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,840 It wasn't even close. I mean NXT. 439 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,520 Did 870. What's that? 440 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:46,640 You said who destroyed who? NXT destroyed Dynamite. 441 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,880 Really. Destroyed them, wasn't even 442 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:57,080 close. NXT did 874,000 viewers 443 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:05,600 meanwhile Dynamite which my God they did 329,000 viewers. 444 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,560 So over 500,000 more people watched NXT. 445 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,800 When they had the choice of watching NXT or Dynamite, they 446 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,520 chose WWE over AEW. In fact all of the AEW shows 447 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,120 combined for the week still did not equal NX TS rating. 448 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,160 That's how bad it is. So I want to get your thoughts 449 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,880 on that Devon, because this is this is AE W's flagship show 450 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,760 Dynamite. The fact that they got destroyed 451 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,840 like that in the ratings, over 500,000 more people watched NXT 452 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,600 instead. What are your thoughts? 453 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,000 On that, well, it just goes back to what we talked about before. 454 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,440 Who's running the show? Who is writing the storylines? 455 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,720 Who is producing that show? Who's in charge? 456 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,840 Listen, people can get mad at me all you want. 457 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:03,400 See, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. 458 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,440 I'm washed up and this and that. But I've been in this business 459 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,800 for 33 years, going on 34. Some of you weren't even born 460 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,760 yet. And I say that because some of 461 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,560 these people will. These are the people that had 462 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,120 wasn't even born yet when I was in these organizations making 463 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:20,640 money and seeing how things work. 464 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,880 So yet they're gonna badmouth me, tell them I'm washed up and 465 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,000 this and that. But what I do know is that being 466 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,840 around some of the greatest minds in this business, like a 467 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:36,400 Vince McMahon, like a Paul Heyman, you know, listening to 468 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,040 them, gravitating to what they were saying, even Pat Patterson, 469 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,400 who was one of the greatest bookers in WWE's history and the 470 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,960 wrestling business history, responsible for one guy that I 471 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,760 know that he owes his whole success, success too, and that's 472 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,800 The Rock. Rocky didn't make a move without 473 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,560 Pat Patterson. Not one move. 474 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,240 Even when he worked with the Dudleys, you know, we would go 475 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,000 over stuff and he'd be like, all right, let me clear it with Pat 476 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,760 1st. And Pat wasn't even our agent. 477 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,000 So, you know, it all depends on who's running the show, who's 478 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,600 looking. Tony, I'm not saying anything 479 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,920 bad about you. I don't have a dislike for you. 480 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,600 I actually like you as a person. I really do. 481 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,400 But I just think that you're in over your head with some of the 482 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,080 stuff. I think you need help. 483 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,640 If you bring into somebody like a Shane McMahon or somebody 484 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,680 that's been around the business that knows it, then yes, you 485 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,040 can't let the inmates run the asylum. 486 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,760 You can't do that if they've never had success on their own 487 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,120 in a wrestling company booking, then it should not be booking 488 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,880 Get somebody that you know that can help you, that can help with 489 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,880 the storylines, that can help put you where you need to be. 490 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,160 You are the second largest company in the world right now. 491 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,120 The talent that you have is freaking incredible. 492 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,880 I'm, you know, I, I don't really watch a EW, but some of the 493 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,520 things I see on social media, I'm amazed. 494 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,080 And if you didn't tell me what you just told me, I would have 495 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,600 never thought in a million years that NXT would have beat ATW 496 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,960 like that. Because from what I see on 497 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,400 social media, maybe because I'm just seeing clips and things 498 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,760 like that, you know, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, you know, 499 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,000 I'm not seeing the whole thing. There's something wrong. 500 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,080 There's something wrong when a developmental company like NXT 501 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,400 who takes nobodies and make them into somebody that can beat a 502 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:43,320 company like AEW, there's something wrong within and if 503 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,920 you don't fix it, you're not going to be around too long. 504 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,360 I don't care what station you got on or what, what have you, 505 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,360 you got to fix it. You got to fix it from within. 506 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,800 Again, AEW, Fantastic group of talent. 507 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,040 Love watching them when I do see them. 508 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,280 But if you don't get the right storylines and things like that 509 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,160 going for yourself, it's not going to work. 510 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200 And if that was the case, Duke, from what you just told me, 511 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,560 that's that's proof in the pudding right there. 512 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,720 You have to have somebody that knows what they're doing. 513 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480 Tony, please, before this company winds up being like 514 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,480 another WCW, We don't want that. Nobody wants that. 515 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,960 I'm asking you, for the love of God, to wake up and see what's 516 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,880 going on. Again, wise words from the Hall 517 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,800 of Famer himself, Mr. Devon Dudley. 518 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,480 I love it. And Tony, your, your people have 519 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,920 already let us know and I keep saying it on the air. 520 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,440 I know you listen to the show. It's a it's a hate listen, but 521 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,720 it's a listen. And we appreciate your 522 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,440 listening. Tony. 523 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,880 We're not trying to beat you up, man. 524 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,240 Just you know, in in all honesty, though, no manager can 525 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,960 do it on their own. The the easiest way to fail is 526 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,440 to believe that you can do it all by yourself. 527 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,840 You need help, bro, and you need real help, people with 528 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,040 experience who know what they're doing, not the yes men who are 529 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,520 just going to make you feel like you're so brilliant because 530 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640 you're really not. You're not experienced enough to 531 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,760 be brilliant at this thing. Get some help, man. 532 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,440 But before we go here, Devon, real quick, Rodney Mack just 533 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,280 celebrated her birthday last week. 534 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,680 Here's a guy who is in ECW, you know, with his lady Jazz. 535 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,760 And they both went on to the WWE. 536 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,800 To this day, they're still in the business doing work with the 537 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,520 N.W.A. What are your thoughts on the 538 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,440 birthday boy, Rodney Mack? How old is he? 539 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,280 Oh man, you want me to put the man's age out there like that? 540 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,240 Sorry, Rod. Yes, I did. 541 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,400 You, you really want me to say good? 542 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,600 I'm sure he's proud of it. 5454 years old. 543 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,320 He was born October 12th, 1970, fifty four years old. 544 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,520 Listen, I'm 52 and I'm retired because of the fact that all the 545 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,480 crap I did over the years, my back said F it, you're done. 546 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,400 You've met your bump card. That's it. 547 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,280 Every once in a while I get in there with Bubba and do a little 548 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,360 thing here and there. But the old Devon I don't think 549 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,080 will ever be able to come back again because I'm not willing to 550 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,720 hurt my body like that. But Rodney Mack and Jazz Man, 551 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,040 I'm, I'm so happy and I'm so happy for them because they're 552 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,760 still going. People that's been in the 553 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,160 business for as long as like those two have. 554 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,080 You know, 9 out of 10 times people can't walk because of all 555 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,400 the stuff that they've done, But they've taken care of their 556 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,800 bodies. They've, they're able to go on 557 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,000 there and do that. And God bless Rodney Mack for 558 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,080 being 54 years old and still going out there and doing what 559 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,680 he's doing. Look, guys like Sting, Rodney 560 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,640 and anybody else who's in that realm and who's the guy in NXT 561 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,040 that's I'm not an XTTNA, that's playing the Frankenstein 562 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,440 gimmick. That's playing the Frankenstein 563 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,120 Gimme. Oh, you're you're talking about 564 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,040 Carl Oulette. What do they call him? 565 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,320 PCO. PCOI was trying to think of the 566 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,160 name. I couldn't remember. 567 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,200 But I mean, just watching him, you know, I used to watch him 568 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,960 when I was a teenager. Yeah. 569 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,720 Yeah, you know, with the Quebecers, I mean, come on, he's 570 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,720 still going, still going tremendous shape. 571 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,520 I mean, for him, for his body to have taken a beating, especially 572 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,000 during that time. Remember, he was there during 573 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,880 the Bretton Shawn era and even somewhat during the Hogan and 574 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,560 Andre era. So, you know, apparently his 575 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,800 bump card hasn't run out. And if that's the case, God 576 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,680 bless him. Keep doing what you're doing, 577 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,320 bro. I mean, because apparently it's 578 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,920 working. He's still active, He's still 579 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,360 going. And I've seen him take some 580 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,040 bumps. I'm like, good God, not me 581 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,280 anymore. No, no, no, no. 582 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,800 I mean, that hurts. I'm looking at you and it hurts, 583 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,440 but I remember shaking his hand and, and just giving him a hug. 584 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,160 I was like, listen, don't take this the wrong way. 585 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,400 I'm hugging you. But I'm just, I'm just happy 586 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,320 that you're still doing what you're doing, my man. 587 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,080 I mean, I've, I watched you as a teenager, you know, in high 588 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,320 school, from 9th grade to senior, whatever. 589 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,440 And for you to still be able to go the way you do that is 590 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,600 tremendous. So with Rodney back turning 54, 591 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,160 bro, congratulations on turning 54 and congratulations on still 592 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,600 being able to do what you do best and do what you love and 593 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,800 continue success and many more bumps on your bump card. 594 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,200 Well said. Well said, Devon. 595 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,240 How can folks listening keep up with you? 596 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,360 Well, I'm on Instagram on Testify, Devon, that's one. 597 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:32,880 I'm on Instagram as well at DDA, my wrestling school that's on 598 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,880 Devon Dudley Academy, but you can type in DA as well. 599 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,800 I'm on there as well. And if you are ready to become a 600 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,840 professional wrestler or want to try your fielding, your craft 601 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,440 and you think you got what it takes, come on down to the 602 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,080 school. We're right in Winter Park, FL. 603 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,400 We are three minutes away from the Performance Center and you 604 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,200 know, go to my school, get pumped out of there and go 605 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,240 straight to the PC. I'm not saying that it's a 606 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,280 guarantee, but from what we can teach you at DDA, you have you 607 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,520 have the necessary tools that will get you the way you need to 608 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,440 be. So come on down, give us a call. 609 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,880 You can also check me out on Twitter at Testify. 610 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,199 Devon. Don't really go on there as much 611 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,960 but I'm starting to relive my Twitter again and not making 612 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,159 mistakes in terms of liking things I shouldn't be liking. 613 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,639 But no in eindsight loving all of that. 614 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,679 So if you want to contact me, please contact me. 615 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,920 You can inbox me, DM me, whatever they call these kids 616 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,679 call it nowadays. I'll respond. 617 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,719 Can't say I'm gonna hit everybody up, but I will 618 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,600 respond. And what about the Devon Dudley 619 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,520 Word of the Week? Oh man, I was supposed to, I was 620 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,360 supposed to have one ready for you guys. 621 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,440 And I said I've been thinking about one all week, and I had 622 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,520 one. And I mean, let me see. 623 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,600 Let me see. Let me think. 624 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,639 I, I know I wrote it down. So give me a second. 625 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,840 Let me see what I got. Oh, I got it. 626 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,240 It was one I just found today. I'm gonna put on Twitter. 627 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,040 Parents, please teach your kids that answering what to an adult 628 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,160 is rude. That's my quote for today. 629 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,760 You know, and I say that out of respect because my kids are not 630 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,680 allowed to when I call their names, you know? 631 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,840 Terrence Terrell, Matthew Preston, Talia Amaya and DJ If I 632 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,000 call you, it's not what it's yes. 633 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,760 And if you didn't hear me, it's excuse me teaching kids now. 634 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,400 The proper way of respect and way you talk to adults needs to 635 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,400 be addressed. So if you don't teach them now, 636 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,920 you're going to regret it when you get later. 637 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,360 Testify. Yes, my brother. 638 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:42,040 Take it away, Tony Shivani. Mr. Tony Shivani desperately out 639 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,440 of time on Duke Love Wrestling.