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Welcome back to another exciting 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,840 edition of the Devon and the Duke Podcast. 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,840 This is a limited edition series hosted by your main man. 14 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,600 Duke loves wrestling and of course the Hall of Famer 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,360 himself, one of the greatest of all time, Brother Devon Dudley. 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,480 How you doing that Devon? I'm good, man. 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,320 How's everything going? Listen, brother, I'm a I'm a 18 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,600 year older officially, you know what I mean? 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,520 I'm, I'm old enough to know better and I'm too old for this. 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,840 You know what? How about that? 21 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,880 That's right. Happy, happy birthday. 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,560 Happy birthday. I hope you celebrated it good. 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,680 Oh, man, I, I spent time with mom and my sister, you know, 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,400 took them for their holiday shopping and all that and picked 25 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,600 up some of my birthday stuff. And then my lady and I, you 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,920 know, we, we, we had sushi and we went to the movies and, you 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,720 know, relaxed. That was the main point, 28 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,160 brother. I just got a chance to just 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,600 unplug and relax. So absolute. 30 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,520 We were talking about that too. Man, you, the older you get the 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,560 more you you really appreciate sleep and rest, huh? 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,920 Listen, I appreciate it from the time I go to bed to the time I 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,800 wake up. Well, listen, you got a whole 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,760 gang of kids too, so I know that that for for many years sleep 35 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,400 hasn't come easy for you, right? Not really. 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,920 The kids go to sleep, like when I go to sleep, really it's I, 37 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,200 I'm, I'm really blessed and lucky to have that, especially 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,000 the baby, the infant, you know, he goes to bed. 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,680 He, he never gave us problems or anything. 40 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,120 Two months after two months of being born, he was going to bed 41 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,600 through the night. So we never had to get up in the 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,800 middle of the night to do anything. 43 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,840 He was. He's a very, very good baby. 44 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,640 Wow, wow. So. 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,680 So he done got with the program right away. 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,720 Right away, even to this day. And if he wakes up in the middle 47 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,800 of the night, that means either he got a diaper change or 48 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,520 something's wrong. I love that shout out to the 49 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,680 baby, Hey, doing the right thing. 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,880 You know what I mean, is that it's almost like working a job. 51 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,240 They, the baby knows when to wake up, knows when to go to 52 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,120 bed. Hey, can't beat that. 53 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,560 I love, I love that. Listen man, we got the holidays 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,160 coming up. So. 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,080 So how far along are you on on your holiday preparation, so to 56 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:08,680 speak? Have you? 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,800 Have you even started your Christmas shopping and all that? 58 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:17,440 Yes, I have, believe it or not, which I'm shocked, going great. 59 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:23,280 I'm gonna try to get it all done this week, this weekend coming 60 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,040 up because I've taken off for the next two or three weeks. 61 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,560 I'm not doing anything. I'm just going to be home. 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,680 No autographs, signings, appearances and nothing. 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:35,960 And I doubt if WWE calls Bubba and myself to do anything up and 64 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,480 from now until January. So I'm really going to enjoy the 65 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,240 time I have off and, you know, just relax with the fam. 66 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:48,840 I'll tell you man, for for years when I was younger, I had a job 67 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,880 at one of the malls and holiday season was always crazy because 68 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,920 usually you, you could always count on Mother's Day and 69 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:03,320 Christmas in particular, fathers, men, they would rush 70 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,560 the mall a day, two days, you know what I mean? 71 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,040 It'd be like December 22nd, December 23rd. 72 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,560 It's just a mall full of guys trying to grab whatever they can 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,160 doing that last minute shopping. And it will always just boggle 74 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,720 my mind because it was like, damn brother, you had all year 75 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,920 to figure this out. Now you hear it in the in the 76 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,440 midnight hour, try to try to scrape it together and figure 77 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,920 just just give them a gift card, give them some money and call it 78 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,720 a day. You know what I'm saying, right? 79 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,480 Yeah, yeah, that's what, listen, I I'd never, I'd never had a 80 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,640 problem when I get money for Christmas, that's that's the 81 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,120 best gift you could get. Shoot, Go get what you want, you 82 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,720 know? Exactly. 83 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,240 What what was the big Christmas gift for you? 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,800 It it when when you think about when you were younger, was there 85 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,040 one thing that when you finally got that thing, it was like, 86 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,680 yes, this is the this is it right here. 87 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,000 I'm going to say, man, oh gosh, what was the one? 88 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,840 I guess my electronic drum set that I got from my grandmother. 89 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,040 I was like an oar, you know, 'cause I always wanted a drum 90 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,160 set and never had really had one, that I had the electric 91 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,080 drum set and actually I still have it. 92 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,160 Wow, but. I still have it. 93 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,400 That's crazy bro, you still have your electric? 94 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,040 How old were you when you first got it? 95 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,840 Man, I was probably 1415 years old. 96 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,320 How I kept it with me all this time is beyond me. 97 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,360 Wow, that is something. So did you ever play drums in 98 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,440 church? Oh, absolutely. 99 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,280 I put stuff on my Insta. If you go back on my Instagram 100 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:43,400 with my videos, me and two other people were jamming upstairs in 101 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,160 my game room. That is amazing. 102 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,960 No, yeah, I played the drums for many, many years. 103 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,800 And you know, sad to say, when I had my stroke, I hadn't played 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,720 in a while. So I went up there for the first 105 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,920 time in about two or three years and tried to play songs that I 106 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,160 knew. And it was a little rough. 107 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,640 But, you know, if I, if I keep going at it, I'm sure I'll pick 108 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,440 it up again. And, you know, but it was to the 109 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,040 point where I could play with my eyes closed. 110 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,480 And now it was kind of like a little weird for me because 111 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,600 again, I had been out because of the stroke and everything. 112 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,320 So trying to get my bearings and everything was a little rough. 113 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:21,320 But it, it wasn't what I wanted. But I'm sure if I kept on doing 114 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,280 it, it'd be it'd be good. You know, folks, you you've 115 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,360 heard Devon say before on the show, he grew up in the church 116 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,560 and in fact, both parents were church leaders. 117 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,840 To this day, Devon's mom is still a well respected, well 118 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:40,520 accomplished church leader. In fact, she recently got 119 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,880 bestowed upon her A a major honor, right A. 120 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,160 Major honor. She's the mediator of all the 121 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,920 Baptist churches in New York City. 122 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,080 Incredible. And you could check her out on 123 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,320 Facebook, Facebook or Instagram. No Facebook, I'm sorry, Facebook 124 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,200 or look her up. Renee Washington Gardner 125 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,240 Memorial Baptist Church, Harlem, New York. 126 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,440 She took over my the church when my father passed away in 2003. 127 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,080 Who when he passed away, he was a Bishop but well respected man 128 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,360 Preston Robert, Washington senior. 129 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,840 And, you know, I'm like I told her in my Instagram post, my 130 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,640 grandmother and my father would be so proud of her because the 131 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,480 things that she accomplished, you know, after all the 132 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,880 tragedies she went through and all the, you know, setbacks, she 133 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,760 really, really, you know, blew it out the park. 134 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,960 I mean, it's, it's true. Not only is it a tremendous 135 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:47,720 honor for anybody to be, you know, somebody who's 136 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,600 facilitating the, the, all the Baptist churches in New York 137 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,200 like she is, but this is a woman, this is a female church 138 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,440 leader who gets bestowed that honor. 139 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:58,920 And that's not very common, right? 140 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,400 You know, and, you know, not to mention, you know, the first 141 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:09,240 black female on top of that. Wow, wow, huge deal. 142 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,920 Huge deal. So again, shout out to the Rev 143 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,360 that that is tremendous. And and that just goes to show, 144 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,400 you know, when God calls you, you got to answer, you got to 145 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,800 you got to get to it. And and certainly she continues 146 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,360 to do that, which is why she continues to be blessed. 147 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,280 That's good stuff. But diva on the drummer. 148 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,920 Oh my. So so where did you think you 149 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,720 were going to take that? Where you did you have 150 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,960 aspirations to have your own band or something like that? 151 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,000 Or was it were you just sticking? 152 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,799 With the church, I was just doing it, you know, I watched 153 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,200 people in the church play the drums. 154 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,240 I watched them play the drums and I was fascinated by it. 155 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,240 And I was just like, oh man, I would love to learn how to do 156 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,000 it. And nobody taught me. 157 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,920 I just watched. I learned by watching. 158 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,760 And it was the strangest thing. And then I remember in 6th 159 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:07,960 grade, my grandmother was giving me money to take a lesson to to 160 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,640 learn how to play the drums the right way. 161 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,840 And on my way, I had to ride my bike. 162 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:18,640 It was about maybe 6-7 miles from my house at the time. 163 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,720 I'm on my way to drum practice. Somehow another lost control of 164 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,240 my bike, fell and broke my arm. Oh man. 165 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,680 So I never really got to really learn the proper way. 166 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,560 I learned a lot by just watching. 167 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,320 You know, that's like sometimes you hear people with guitars or 168 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,840 piano, they don't really take lessons, they just learn by 169 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,920 watching. Yeah, you know, but. 170 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,000 Again, I encourage you to go to my Instagram, go where the 171 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,280 videos are and take a look at some of the stuff that I've 172 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,480 done. I love playing rock music 173 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,960 because it's very challenging to me. 174 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,480 And like Iron Maiden, I love Iron Maiden. 175 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,120 I'm a big Iron Maiden fan, love Iron Maiden and love playing 176 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,040 their music. Somewhere in time, The Trooper 177 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,320 Revelations. I really, really had a good time 178 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,400 in playing those, playing those song and I did it on my 179 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,840 Instagram. Wow, that's fascinating. 180 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,760 So I, I, I wonder about that because here you are, this this 181 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,880 kid growing up, you know, originally from the projects in 182 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,760 New York and what have you. How the hell did you get into 183 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,840 rock music? Well, the school I went to in 184 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,480 Long Island, New York was John Glenn High School in East 185 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,200 Northport, Long Island in Huntington. 186 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,960 And when crack first came on the scene in 83 and it became a 187 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:44,280 epidemic, basically, my mother and grandmother said we got to 188 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,400 get Devon out of here, you know, 'cause if not, he's going to 189 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:49,840 fall victim. And I wasn't getting in trouble 190 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,080 or anything, but they just saw the bigger picture. 191 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,440 And they said to me, you know, what do you think about going to 192 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,000 Long Island and going to school out there? 193 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,840 And I was like, yeah, I'll go, I'll do it. 194 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,440 I never thought in a million years it would happen. 195 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,880 You know, I was talking out of my behind. 196 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,200 And when they finally said yes, they were going to send me out 197 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,200 there 'cause what I would do is I would go to school in Long 198 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,800 Island Monday through Friday, but then Friday come back to 199 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,960 Brooklyn. And I just never thought it 200 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,480 would happen. And when it really did, I, I, I 201 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,080 became a little bitch and started crying. 202 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,600 I don't want to go, I don't want to go. 203 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,200 My, my mother was like you going, you going and, you know, 204 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,360 and I went to a school. It was like Saved by the Bell or 205 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,720 Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Do you remember that one? 206 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,480 Oh, absolutely. That's a classic, brother. 207 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,440 Absolutely. Yeah, that was that was my 208 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,520 school at the time in in East Northport and so I in Long 209 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,760 Island. So it was kind of like that was 210 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,400 the type of school I went to, you know. 211 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,920 And so I went from all black and Spanish school to now all white. 212 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,920 So it was like maybe 3% maybe. Now I'm not going to say 3%. 213 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,280 There's probably maybe 10% black and Hispanic at that school at 214 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,720 the time. And you remember this was in the 215 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:12,120 80s, you know, and of course, heavy metal was big back then, 216 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,480 and rap was just starting. It was, you know, Sugar Hill 217 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,680 Gang just hit #1 so that's how far back we're going. 218 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,880 That is I, I never knew that bro. 219 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,480 I never knew that about your history and it and it's it's so 220 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,720 fascinating because I have a similar story. 221 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,880 You know what I mean? I, even though I'm a little 222 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,040 younger than you, same concept you got, you got parents for 223 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,800 police officers and, and my mom in particular, she was very 224 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,760 serious about not wanting me to fall into gang culture and 225 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,280 things like that. So we moved and you know, as she 226 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,520 progressed in her career, we would move to different 227 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,240 neighborhoods. And more often than not, and 228 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,960 especially by the time I got to high school, I was living in a 229 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,280 town that was less than 2% non white. 230 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,680 It was over 98% white, which was crazy. 231 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,400 Now, the good thing about the school is that they had what's 232 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,920 called a school choice program. So they were bussing in children 233 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,800 of color from different neighborhoods surrounding that 234 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,720 that area. So, you know, the school was 235 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,240 only about 51% white and the rest was everybody else. 236 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,720 So there was diversity in the school itself, but same concept 237 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,240 that just, you know, the concern with the crack epidemic and the 238 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,520 gang culture and people shooting each other up all over the 239 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,440 place. I mean, absolutely. 240 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,280 I mean, I grew up in in Myrtle Ave. 241 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,600 Myrtle and Nostrand, you know, near Flatbush. 242 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,360 So it was rough and Coney Island, she said they and it was 243 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,840 rough, you know, And so, like I said, when crack first came on 244 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,080 the scene, it made people do things that were, you know, 245 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,200 ordinary, you know, citizens that went to work every day, 246 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,520 took care of their families. And after that first hit, they 247 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,960 were they were hooked and it made them it made them become 248 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,600 people that you do would never known or never thought that they 249 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,400 would become. And when my parents saw they 250 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:08,520 were like, we got to get them out of here. 251 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,240 We can't have them for victim. And that's what they did. 252 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,880 And so like I said, when I left to me was a culture shock, you 253 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,800 know, I went from, you know, being with all black and Spanish 254 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,960 kids to now the majority were white. 255 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,720 And I didn't know how to handle it at first. 256 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,360 I, I was miserable at first because it was a culture shock, 257 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,640 you know, I felt nobody understood me. 258 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,400 Nobody, you know, knew about where I came from or nothing. 259 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,400 It was just one big culture shock for me. 260 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,320 And eventually I started fitting in and starting adapt, adapting 261 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,520 and this and that. I did get in trouble along the 262 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,640 way in terms of fighting because, you know, kids back 263 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,840 then not understanding me or how I grew up and acting a certain 264 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,520 way with me. So it was kind of like one of 265 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,520 those things where I just said, you know, I'm going to have to 266 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,040 make sure that, you know, everything is good and and this 267 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,080 and that. So, you know, that was just the 268 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,320 way it was. Wow, that's that's deep. 269 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,960 I I wonder that experience of, of being taken out of your 270 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,280 normal surroundings and being dropped into a place where, like 271 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:17,840 you said, you had to learn how to adapt. 272 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,680 You had to learn how to make new friends, experience different 273 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,200 aspects of life and what have you. 274 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,360 How much did that help you and prepare you for who you would 275 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,560 eventually become as this this world famous figure? 276 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,040 Well, it allowed me, you know, because again, you're coming 277 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:43,400 from 1 diverse, you know, group of people, you know, and only 278 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,880 lowering their ways of being and all of that. 279 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:51,440 Now all of a sudden you are trying to learn a different way 280 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,200 and it's kind of like it's hard, you know, it was hard. 281 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,560 But because I was able to make that switch at a young age and 282 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,960 adapt, it was like fantastic, you know, it was, I was able to 283 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,440 adapt. I was able to do what I had to 284 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:10,960 do and you know, and be able to adjust accordingly. 285 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:16,960 So to me, I was good with it. You know, I, I basically, you 286 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,000 know, got along with everybody. You know, I fit in very well 287 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,760 When I had to make the change, I did. 288 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,880 And it was, it was, it was a good time for me. 289 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,120 I just, I, I think about your whole career, Devon and, and you 290 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,240 know, the, the, the Dudley family, not just the Dudley 291 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,240 boys, the Dudley brothers, Team 3D, the Dudley family was a 292 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,640 bunch of white guys. And then there was you, other 293 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,440 than the answers with Dudley, who was who was Native American. 294 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,200 But you know, you were the black guy in this mix, which is a 295 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,960 parallel to your real life. Exactly. 296 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:51,480 Wow. I mean. 297 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,080 That was me 100%, you know? Wow, Was that a happy accident 298 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,760 or, or, or was that because of how you grew up? 299 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,400 It was, it was thought, hey, you know, you would fit in with this 300 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:10,839 thing that we're doing here. Well, to me it, you know, again, 301 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,520 I fit it. I fit in because I was, I wasn't 302 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,040 close minded even at that age to be able to open up and to really 303 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,680 enjoy. And plus pro wrestling helped me 304 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,720 too. You know, seeing that and you 305 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:29,000 know, idolizing people of different races during that time 306 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,960 was huge. Because remember growing up in 307 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,240 Brooklyn, it was different time, different era. 308 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,280 You didn't see too many white people or, you know, people that 309 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,560 weren't the same as you. It was totally different. 310 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,360 Yeah, yeah, it's, it's it's more cosmopolitan today. 311 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:49,400 It's more commercialized today. Wasn't like that back then, 312 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,280 that's for sure. Yeah, good point. 313 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,880 Wow. Wow. 314 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,720 That's, that's a fascinating piece of history, man, which has 315 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,200 served you throughout your life. I mean, you know, you, you're 316 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,640 encouraging people to check out your Instagram at Testify Devon 317 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,800 and anyone who's paying attention, You have a common 318 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,880 post that you put up every so often of a very close friend of 319 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,480 yours. And you know, you and him get 320 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,760 together, have a, have a drink, have a cigar. 321 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,040 And, and, and you always put a nice message in there about, you 322 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,000 know, you've been friends with this person for years. 323 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,360 And that's, that's literally, that's like family. 324 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,400 That's your brother right there. And it's a white guy, right? 325 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,800 Are you talking about Henry Garlin? 326 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,560 I don't think it's Henry Godwin. It's somebody who's not in the 327 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,040 in the business. It's it's the other guy who who 328 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,360 wears glasses. I, I I don't know his name. 329 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:48,640 Oh, yes, yes, Scott. Yeah, basically him and I yeah, 330 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,120 he, he actually played for a band called, I think it was 331 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:59,400 Bonehead back in the 90s, very, very successful band out of New 332 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,880 Jersey. And I met him through the Blue 333 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:07,280 Meanie after the ECW show, went to one of his gigs and fell in 334 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,600 love with the band and the music. 335 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,600 And I had every time they were in the area. 336 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,280 I made sure when we were done with ECW I would go frequent the 337 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,680 shows. That's something else. 338 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,600 But you you've maintained that that friendship throughout all 339 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,720 those years. Absolutely, absolutely. 340 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,360 There was a point in time where we did lose in touch, in touch 341 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:32,400 with one another. But then he came to an NXT show 342 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,600 because of Jeremy Borash. They knew each other. 343 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,360 Oh wow. And he came down and I was 344 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:45,840 producing at the time, and I remember coming from the arena 345 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,200 part of NXT to the back where the producers are, and I ran 346 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,200 into him. I was like, Scott, what the hell 347 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,840 are you doing here? He was like, we hadn't seen each 348 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,080 other in such a long time, maybe 20-30 years. 349 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,760 And it was like we didn't skip a beat, you know, we took over 350 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,280 where we left off. Wow, wow. 351 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,480 Shout out to Scott. You know, his gimmick name in 352 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,320 the band was Scott Stanley. He's a bass player. 353 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,160 Scott, what is it? Pustelnick, That that's his 354 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,480 name, right? Scott Pustelnick. 355 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,920 Yep. With the band Bonehead Band out 356 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,400 of Philadelphia, that that's, yeah, you're, you're absolutely 357 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,680 right. Alternative rock band. 358 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,560 So folks out there, if you're on Spotify or any of those other 359 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,600 apps, definitely check out Bonehead to hear some of the 360 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,280 fantastic music by Scott and his and his band members there. 361 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,920 Wow, that's, that's, that's pretty cool, man. 362 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,280 That's pretty cool to to know your history and get an 363 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,320 understanding because you do maintain a diverse group of 364 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,880 friends even to this day. And it's interesting once again, 365 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,840 being plucked out of your surroundings in Brooklyn and 366 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,520 being dropped in Long Island and you have to figure it out out 367 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,560 there. That set the table for you and 368 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,480 it's never left you. Exactly. 369 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,720 Especially during that time, we're talking about the 80s, you 370 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,480 know, where at the time, you know, the majority of that area 371 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,640 was white, you know, and Brooklyn was black and Hispanic 372 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,040 all the way. You know, now even Brooklyn is 373 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,600 becoming diverse with, you know, white people and other 374 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,640 nationalized Chinese, Japanese or anything coming into the 375 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,720 area, even Harlem. Now, Harlem was known for just 376 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,400 being, you know, African American. 377 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,000 Now, you know, I remember dry, I hadn't been to New York in a 378 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,760 while. And I remember going to visit my 379 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,240 mother at church and I'm seeing all these white people walking 380 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,920 the street. I go, what the hell is going on? 381 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,960 And I didn't mean that in a bad way. 382 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,720 I was like, wait a minute, what it what is going on? 383 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,040 I was like, I've never seen so many white people in Harlem 384 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,680 before a day in my life. I was like, what is going on? 385 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,600 And my mother goes, yeah, they were like, you know, Harlem is 386 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,520 building up. It's not what it used to be. 387 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,480 And you know now why people feel uncomfortable coming into the 388 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,760 area and things like that. So I was like, oh, cool, very 389 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,160 cool. That's a trip. 390 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,280 That's a trip right there. Wow. 391 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,120 See folks, we, we just brought a full circle there. 392 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,440 Big history in a big understanding of Devon Dudley's 393 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,800 career when you understand his, his humble beginnings. 394 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:24,640 So that that says a lot there. Speaking of history, a a group 395 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,120 that you have a lot of history with the New Day, Kofi and 396 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:34,640 Xavier Woods just recently kicked Big E out of the New Day 397 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,960 officially. So I definitely want to get your 398 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,520 thoughts on this. Devon, how do you feel about 399 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,920 Kofi and, and and Xavier Woods? First of all, they turned down 400 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,240 Big E when he said he wanted to manage them. 401 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,520 They said they didn't want to have nothing to do with the big 402 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,720 man. He's out injured because of his 403 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,600 neck, so he can't wrestle. But how do you feel about those 404 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,560 guys kicking Big E out of the group and and turning heel 405 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,320 basically? Well, you know, everybody 406 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,720 eventually turns on somebody and you know, unfortunately that's 407 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,240 going on with the new day. You know, I'm sure maybe one day 408 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,280 they'll be able to has hands all of this and what is it hands all 409 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,720 of that and you know, basically, you know, come back together 410 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,280 because everybody does at one point in time. 411 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,280 But you know, it was a shock to me. 412 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,880 It was it wasn't really a shock to me because it seemed like the 413 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,600 writing was on the wall. But I thought we thought it was 414 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,000 going to be Xavier and Kofi. We had no idea it was going to 415 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,760 be kicking Biggie out, you know, So to me that was like a little 416 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,480 twist and turn for us. But you know, you need to make 417 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,640 these storylines compelling, and that's exactly what WWE is doing 418 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,440 right now. Honda's doing a great job. 419 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,840 I, I love the WWE. They have the hottest ticket in 420 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,880 town right now. And you know, it's only a matter 421 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,760 of time before WWE just takes over. 422 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,520 Period. Yeah, they, they can't miss 423 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,560 right now. It's, it's amazing to see and 424 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,600 to, to freshen up the New Day the way that they have. 425 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,240 I mean, recently on, on Raw this week, we had a situation where 426 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:14,240 Rey Mysterio kicked Kofi and Xavier out of the locker room. 427 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,600 Rey Mysterio as the locker room leader saying, yeah, we, we 428 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,840 don't want you guys, you guys got to dress somewhere else. 429 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,560 So Kofi and Woods, they complain the whole episode of Raw and 430 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,520 they had different segments where they were complaining, 431 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,080 going outside, complaining and arguing with the fans. 432 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,080 They took it online and they're complaining there as well. 433 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,880 Talk to me about that concept of, of telling somebody that 434 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,080 they can't dress in the locker room 'cause we know, you know, 435 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,560 that's something that really happens and has happened 436 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,200 throughout the years. The Miz has the most famous 437 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,080 story that we as fans know about being kicked out of locker room 438 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,400 for a period of time because he was, I guess he was eating 439 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,680 chicken over somebody's bag and that was considered 440 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,480 disrespectful. But in, in, in your career at 441 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,200 how often would you see people being excommunicated from the 442 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:09,760 locker room like that? I only saw one and that was it 443 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,680 because by the time I got to WWE, that stuff kind of stopped 444 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,800 in a way. But I only saw it one time and 445 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,360 it was, I don't want to say any names, but he was kind of being 446 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,840 bullied in a sense. So he really didn't do anything 447 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,760 wrong. But his attitude and demeanor 448 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,360 basically along with the boys made it like that. 449 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:37,320 So in other words, he kind of, he had a little pompous 450 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:42,000 attitude, very cocky and arrogant, especially where he 451 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,400 came from. It was kind of expected. 452 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,520 But the boys didn't care, you know, And one of the guys 453 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:55,200 basically, you know, made his help life a living hell when a 454 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:01,680 guy had a change in his car, freaking in what was it like 20° 455 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,960 outside, snow, ice, all of that and couldn't change in the 456 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,800 locker room. Wow, wow. 457 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,720 That's something. These, these customs, these 458 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,720 customs in wrestling, knowing the the right thing to do, shake 459 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,680 everybody's hand, look them in the eye, take care of everybody 460 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,280 in the ring, all that stuff. How much of that stuff to this 461 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,520 day is taught in the wrestling school? 462 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,960 So, so I know that you obviously you teach your, your, your 463 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960 folks, right. But from a general standpoint, 464 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,560 how much that stuff is actually still taught in wrestling 465 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,600 schools? Well, if it's a reppable 466 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,240 wrestling school like, you know, somebody like myself or Booker 467 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:49,840 T, you know, you know guys who have been somewhere, they know 468 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,080 what it's like to be in a locker room. 469 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,680 They know what it's like to be on the road and in front of the 470 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,120 boys. If they have been, if they had 471 00:26:56,120 --> 00:27:03,800 been, what's the word? If they had been put in a 472 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,160 scenario where they knew about stuff like that, they were able 473 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,560 to teach that at the rest of the school. 474 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,080 And I tell my, my students all the time because I bring up 475 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,840 scenarios like this, how to act, because it's very important to 476 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,880 know how to act in the locker room as opposed to learning your 477 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,680 craft. Really. 478 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,960 I mean, because that can destroy you if you don't know how to 479 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,200 act, right? It can. 480 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,000 It can literally take your part in this locker room. 481 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,040 Yeah, yeah. I mean, we and we see it and 482 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,680 we've, we've heard the stories throughout the years. 483 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,520 I remember something playing out on the TV show Total Divas, 484 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,440 which I found very interesting. And, and I don't think that it 485 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,480 necessarily was 100%, you know, on the level, I think it was 486 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,360 more showing you what could happen. 487 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,600 But there was a scenario where NIA Jax was having a 488 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,760 conversation with Maurice and she had mentioned something 489 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,600 about a match that she would had. 490 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,800 And, and she asked Maurice, hey, have you ever had a match like 491 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,000 that before? And Maurice was completely 492 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,280 dumbfounded and she felt disrespected. 493 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,800 She was like, listen, I was Divas champion, you know what I 494 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,080 mean? What how could you ask me a 495 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,720 question like that? I literally held the, the the 496 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,840 number one women's title in the company before. 497 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,960 Of course, I've done things like that. 498 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,240 And, and you know, and then you, you really think about it and 499 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,200 say, OK, Maurice hasn't wrestled in a long time, but that doesn't 500 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,280 take away from the fact that she did earn her stripes in the 501 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,600 ring. She she was in there. 502 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,800 She did win championship. She did have to go up and down 503 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,640 the road and what have you. It was and, and NIA was still, 504 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,560 she was only about a couple years in the business at the 505 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,840 time. So she just didn't know the 506 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,960 history. But I, I found that to be an 507 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,800 interesting commentary, just that, that whole scenario, how 508 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,000 it played out. Have you ever been in a 509 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,120 situation where maybe maybe you didn't know or even somebody 510 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,720 else, you didn't fully comprehend the the history of a 511 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,480 veteran and, and you're speaking to them and you may have said 512 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,320 something unintentionally offensive as a result of not 513 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,040 understanding how far back they went and what they've 514 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,600 accomplished? Well, I do know, and this is 515 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,480 kind of funny. What happened to me was we were 516 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:21,400 in Saskatoon and Bradshaw and Farooq were downstairs and the 517 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:29,160 bar slash restaurant and it was during a house show and I didn't 518 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,040 really know the history of this town. 519 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,080 I didn't know Dick Murdoch was from there. 520 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,160 And we were, we came downstairs because we again, we were 521 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,720 getting ready to get in the car to go to the live event. 522 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:49,560 And I remember going downstairs and saying hello to Bradshaw and 523 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:55,200 Farooq and I, I had a really bad headache. 524 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,120 I mean, it was, it was like pounding like a migraine. 525 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,560 It was a real bad. And I just wanted to get in the 526 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,320 car and just, I asked Bubba to drive. 527 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,280 He said not a problem. And I remember just wanting to 528 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,280 lay back in the car and go to and just close my eyes and try 529 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,880 to sleep. I think we had like a 45 minute 530 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,360 drive and I was just like, I just want to rest my eyes for a 531 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,880 little bit. And I remember Bradshaw goes, 532 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,320 we're going to have a, we're going to drink. 533 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,760 We're going to drink the Dick Murdoch, you know, and this 534 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,880 thing that we're going to have a shot. 535 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200 And Bubba, you want, you want to do a shot of Jack in the honor 536 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,320 of Dick Murdoch. And Bubba goes, yeah, of course. 537 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,440 And he goes, Devon, you never shot. 538 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,760 I was like, oh, man, I was like, guys, I'm sorry, my head is 539 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,160 hurting, guys. I was like, it's pounding. 540 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,040 I'll just take a Coke. And Brad sure looked at me. 541 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,680 And he goes, you want to take a coke? 542 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,440 The man who helped put this business on the map, Dick 543 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,240 Murdoch, we're going to we're in his hometown of Saskatoon and 544 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,880 you're going, I might be wrong in terms of the area where he's 545 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,080 from. And so please forgive me if I'm 546 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,000 wrong with that. But he goes, we're in his 547 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,920 hometown and you're going to drink a Coca-Cola in honor of 548 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,840 Dick Murdoch. I was like Bradshaw. 549 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,960 I was like, my head is is really pounding. 550 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,400 I mean, it was really bad. And I was like, I don't think I 551 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,720 can I don't think I can drink Jack. 552 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,440 I was like, he was like, and Brett and Peru goes, well, I'll 553 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,400 be down. I cannot believe you, Devin. 554 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,360 I was like, I was like, guys, I am so sorry. 555 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,640 My head is killing me. He goes so Bradshaw goes, oh, 556 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,320 that's OK. He was like, when we get to the 557 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,800 building, we're going to talk to take about this. 558 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,160 We like this might be charges to bring you up in restless court. 559 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,600 And I went I was like restless court. 560 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,680 He's like, Oh, yeah, you want to drink a Coca-Cola in honor of 561 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,720 Dick Murdoch in his home hometown and you want to insult 562 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600 him by drinking a Coke as opposed to taking a shot at 563 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,920 Jack. I was like, no, that, that's not 564 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,320 it. I was like, my head was my head 565 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,240 is really pounding and I just want to close my eyes and lay 566 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,800 down. He goes, you want to restless 567 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,960 court. He was like, see you at the 568 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,840 building, Devon. I was like, oh, fuck. 569 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,000 Bubba goes Devon, why did you just take the drink? 570 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,360 I was like, my Bubba, my head was, my head is pounding. 571 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,200 He was like, you should have sucked it up and just took the 572 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,880 drink and I was like, oh, I was like, what do I do? 573 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640 Bubba goes, well, if I'm a betting man, what happened to 574 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,240 edging Christian when they went to Restless court? 575 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,680 You know Bradshaw and Farook are going to be the prosecutors and 576 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,840 you know that Undertaker is going to be the judge, so you 577 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,520 don't have a chance in hell and winning this case. 578 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,360 I was like, oh shit, what do I do? 579 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,960 He goes, if I was you, I'd go get some alcohol and get it 580 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,880 quick and try to bribe them. I, I knew, I knew Farooq like 581 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:48,960 Crown and Jack Daniels was for Bradshaw and Taker. 582 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,920 So I went and got three cases of it. 583 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,880 I found the nearest liquor store, got three cases of it. 584 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,400 We got to the building. I basically had this the, the 585 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,560 they called runners. I said, can you do me a favor? 586 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,040 Can you bring these into the locker room, please? 587 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,760 And they grabbed them. They brought them in the locker 588 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,440 room. So by the time Taker got there, 589 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,640 here comes Bradshaw and Farooq. Devin, you ready for the rest of 590 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,680 the court? I was like, not really. 591 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,600 He was like, well, you're going and we already told Taker what's 592 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,400 going on. And Taker can't wait to try this 593 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,600 case. So before they got everybody in 594 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,720 the room that you had to get all the boys and all of that, you 595 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,000 know, to be in the room before they got everybody in the room, 596 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:33,240 they basically I went to I went to Taker, Ron and and John. 597 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,640 I was like, guys, I am so sorry. I didn't mean to disrespect the 598 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,320 honor of Dick Murdoch. I was like in his home in his 599 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,120 own hometown. I was like, you know, but as a 600 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,240 peace offering, I'm hoping this can be accepted. 601 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,600 Here's 3 cases of Jack for you. And here's a case of Crown for 602 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,200 you. Farooq. 603 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,640 And Farooq looked at me. He goes, well, damn, Devin, 604 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,320 that's the best present anybody ever gave me. 605 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,040 And take a look at me. He goes, Devin, you might get 606 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,120 off on this one. He goes Bradshaw, what do you 607 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,000 think? He goes, well, hell, I ain't 608 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,040 going to turn down no alcohol. He's like, I'll take it. 609 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,640 I was like, oh thank God, because there was no way I was 610 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,080 winning that that that court case, my ass would have been 611 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,639 done. Jesus, that, that is a story 612 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,360 right there, brother. Wow. 613 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,199 Oh yeah, wow. That is a story. 614 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,280 So, so again, these, these wrestling customs, these inside 615 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,600 customs right here, they matter that much. 616 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,239 No. Damn. 617 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,000 Yeah, especially with the old school guys, you cannot break 618 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,400 tradition. And if you do, there's a price. 619 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,320 There was a price to pay. And you had to learn real quick, 620 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,280 you know, So the old school way of doing things was very 621 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,760 relevant back when I was there during the Attitude Era. 622 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,719 You might have had fun and you know a whole bunch of crap went 623 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,920 on back then, but if you didn't follow the protocol of how 624 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,639 things should have been, you were screwed. 625 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,840 How much of that stuff was important in order to bring 626 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,040 people together as, as as crazy as that sounds, They're, they're 627 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,720 reinforcing the notion of respect, respect for the 628 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:14,920 history, respect for, for, you know, everyone who you working 629 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,360 with today. If you, if you're going to 630 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,640 disrespect the people who laid the groundwork for you to exist 631 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,360 in this business, then how are you going to, you're not going 632 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,040 to respect me either. So we, we got to straighten that 633 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,800 out. How important was that for the 634 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,400 camaraderie in the long run? Well, it was big. 635 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,400 I mean, if you didn't have respect, then the veterans 636 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,080 wouldn't have respect for you and they can make your life a 637 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,200 live in hell. Now, today's wrestling 638 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,280 generation is totally different and in certain companies, I'm 639 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,960 not going to say any names, but we've heard the horror stories 640 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,040 about how the younger generation treats the the guys that have 641 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:52,640 come before them. The disrespect that I've noticed 642 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,120 in the locker room with some of the younger talent. 643 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,280 You know, when I was growing up in the business, I would have 644 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,080 never even dreamt about doing it. 645 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960 And if I did, I would have woke up and apologized because that 646 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,880 was the respect When I was taught in this business, you 647 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,040 know, by Johnny Rods, basically, he would beat the hell out of 648 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,280 me. Even things that I wasn't even 649 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,320 my fault, I would get beat up for. 650 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,280 Big Veto would help out and whooping my ass in the middle of 651 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,400 the ring. And so did a guy named Larry. 652 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,040 Larry Briscoe, not Sabisco, but Larry Briscoe, who in my opinion 653 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,640 was way before his time when he came into the wrestling business 654 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,120 and he never made it. But he was a straight shooter 655 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,640 and he knew his stuff. And whenever there was a 656 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,600 problem, Johnny Rodge would beat me up, then Vito and then 657 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,160 Sabisco. So I got my ass handed to me on 658 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,000 many occasions. So it was one of those things 659 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,040 where I learned respect right away and I wouldn't have dared 660 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,800 open my mouth in the locker room or did anything inappropriate 661 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,000 because I was fearful of what was going to happen. 662 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,840 Wow, that's deep. And, and like you said in, in 663 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,720 this day and age, it, it, that whole notion just seems to, it's 664 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,480 not to say that people need to be beating each other up per SE, 665 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,280 but the notion of respect and honor and why that stuff 666 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,200 matters. It, it, it just seems like in a 667 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,280 lot of places it doesn't exist anymore. 668 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:24,600 And I wonder if that coincides with making it so easy for 669 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,800 anybody to quote UN quote, call themselves a wrestler these 670 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,120 days. Do you do you think that has 671 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:35,080 something to do with the erosion of the notion of respect in 672 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,400 wrestling today? I just don't think it's taught, 673 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,360 you know, you having these guys that never made it in the 674 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,680 wrestling business that will get a that will get a warehouse, put 675 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,280 a ring in it and say he has a wrestling school and you have a 676 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,640 lot of people that fall for it. Just because somebody gives you 677 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,360 the notion that they know what they're talking about doesn't 678 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,800 necessarily mean that they know what they're talking about. 679 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,600 If they knew how to get you where you needed to be, then 680 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,680 they would have been there. But if they didn't, then there's 681 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,200 your answer, you know, And that's, that's, that's the crazy 682 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,640 things. That's the crazy thing about 683 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,760 some of these wrestling schools and some of these people who 684 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,120 think they're good. Now, when you look at them 685 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,960 physically or when you look at them in the ring, yes, they 686 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,320 might know what they're doing and handle themselves very well, 687 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,720 but doesn't necessarily mean that they know what the hell 688 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,200 they're talking about. Unless you've experienced and 689 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,480 went through what we went through to get to the level that 690 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,320 we're at, we have no reason to open your mouth to say anything 691 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,760 disrespectful for those that have come before you. 692 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,120 Well said, well said. Wow, Devon dropping gems today, 693 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,920 You know. Speaking of gems, Saturday 694 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,120 night's main event made his triumphant return this past 695 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,560 Saturday. The main event was Cody Rhodes 696 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,280 versus Kevin Owens for the WWE Championship which Cody was 697 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,920 displaying the the Winged Eagle belts. 698 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,400 He brought back the old school belt for that match. 699 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,240 Cody ends up winning but at the end of the match Kevin Owens 700 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,200 attacks him and beats the hell out of him and then steals the 701 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:22,040 belt and it was so egregious that Triple H even came out and 702 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,680 cussed Kevin Owens out and pushed him a few times or what 703 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,000 have you. Owens gave Cody a package 704 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,000 powerbomb and WWE reported that Cody's having some cervical 705 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,480 issues as a result of that devastating maneuver, so to 706 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,400 speak. I'm using all the the old school 707 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,480 descriptions of these things. What what did you think? 708 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,600 The overall Devon Saturday night's main event coming back, 709 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,440 a little bit of nostalgia for us. 710 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,280 How did it feel to watch that? Well, to me, I loved it. 711 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,760 I enjoyed it. Now here's what I liked even 712 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,480 more. I don't. 713 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,160 I saw it on social media, so I don't know if they showed it on 714 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,600 NBC or even Peacock. Do you remember the old that 715 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,280 when Saturday Night's Main Event used to come on and they used to 716 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,720 have the promos with the music in the background and this and 717 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:09,760 that, and it was kind of like a drama thing? 718 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,880 They did that with The Bloodline. 719 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,200 And it was somebody else they did it with. 720 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,560 I forgot, but it brought back memories because you think about 721 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,760 something that happened forty, 30-40 years ago and how they did 722 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,040 it and they're still doing it today. 723 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,320 They reinvented it and did it today. 724 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,760 So it was kind of like, it was cool to see that it was the, you 725 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,280 know, again. Do you remember how those promos 726 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,600 were when you know, like for instance, when after Hogan, 727 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,640 after WrestleMania 3 settings main event came on and had that 728 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,280 music playing in the background. It was there was Andre and 729 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,120 Heenan standing there and you know, Heenan said something 730 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,520 like, you know, I'm going to prove to you that this man 731 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,640 behind me, Speaking of Andre is still undefeated and deserves to 732 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,480 be world champion and blah, blah, blah. 733 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,800 While the music is playing in the background, he goes, I'm 734 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,640 going to show you just why WrestleMania 3 was a victory for 735 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,840 this man right here. And Andre goes, I'm still 736 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,120 undefeated. And then it goes to Hogan. 737 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,280 And Hogan starts, you know, talking about saying his 738 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,320 prayers, eating his vitamins and how he slammed that nasty giant 739 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,560 in the middle of the ring with all his Hulk of maniacs and 740 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,280 blah, blah, blah. And he's like, what you going to 741 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:27,040 Andre when Hulka Maniac runs wild on you? 742 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,560 And you have that music that they played back then and they 743 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,520 did that. And I was kind of like, wow, you 744 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,080 know, 40 years later and it brought back memories. 745 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,680 But now I'm waiting to see Nikolai Volkov, the Iron Sheik, 746 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,480 Jake the Snake, Robbins, you know, the magnificent Morocco 747 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,120 because, you know, that was what I grew up watching Saturday 748 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,400 Night's Main Event. And that's what attracted so 749 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,840 many of us that are still wrestling fans to this day from, 750 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,920 from, you know, all those years ago, you know, and Hunter bought 751 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,360 that back. He kind of made you feel like 752 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,720 for the old school guys that you know, that error is still alive 753 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:09,080 and well and we still remember how things were back then and 754 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,960 bringing back Jesse the body Ventur. 755 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,040 Now don't get me wrong, Jesse's jokes were a little off. 756 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,960 I don't think. I think he got AI think he got a 757 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,520 couple of boos when he said something about Dusty Rose. 758 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,720 I'm not mistaken. Do you remember that part? 759 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,560 Oh yeah, Oh yeah, he sure did. Yeah, he got a couple of boos. 760 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,480 And, you know, 30-40 years ago, you know, people would have not 761 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,640 popped, but they would have laughed about it because it's 762 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,640 Jesse. You know, I don't think this 763 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,960 generation understood Jesse Ventura the way we did back then 764 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,080 and how he really did things. You know, This is why it's 765 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,680 important for the newer generation to watch the old 766 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:51,240 school, the old school wrestlers because, you know, things were 767 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:54,920 so much different back then. My God, it was just, it was 768 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,520 magical. And This is why wrestling is 769 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,680 huge in the way it is now, because we watched the growing 770 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,640 up and now it's kind of like we're trying to relive it all 771 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,680 over again or make it fun to watch again. 772 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,800 And This is why, you know, the attitude ever existed the way it 773 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,760 did and you know, and even after and so forth and so on, why 774 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,360 people are doing what they're doing now to me, you know, I 775 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,320 miss those days of having, you know, things like Senex main 776 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,200 event, the way they did it and how, you know, they went about 777 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,240 doing things back then because it brought back so many 778 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,320 memories. So as I go back and watch the 779 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,760 old school settings main event, I'm like, damn, I remember this. 780 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,040 I remember this promo, I remember that match. 781 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,720 I remember this, that, and it makes me feel like I'm a kid 782 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,920 again, you know, so I really enjoy it and love it. 783 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:48,000 And so to actually know that they're trying to do that now, 784 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,040 man, thumbs up. Yeah, same. 785 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,640 I did. The nostalgia was through the 786 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,680 roof. I loved it. 787 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,080 Those those vignettes you were talking about, those 788 00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,600 introductions you were talking about. 789 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,120 I don't think they, I didn't see that played during the 790 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,200 broadcast. But yeah, it was online. 791 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,920 So you had the New Day and then even the women were doing 792 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,520 similar ones. I saw Liv Morgan wanted what 793 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,000 have you. So I yeah, I agree that that 794 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,480 just that got you pumped up for what you were about to see. 795 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,240 That's the whole point. So. 796 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:21,880 And not to mention the referees and the button down tie with the 797 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,080 big bow tie that brought back memories. 798 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,880 Now, how did you feel when you saw Ref Jess in that little 799 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,080 outfit? Because you trained her, right? 800 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,280 So how did you feel when you saw her like that? 801 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,720 I was very happy for her because, you know, Jessie, Jess, 802 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:45,480 Jessica Carr had been with me for almost almost 10 years and 803 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,400 she's definitely a student of the game. 804 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,240 If anybody would have lasted during the attitude ever, it 805 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,760 would have been her. She is, she absorbs things like 806 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,320 a book. I mean scream like a sponge. 807 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,320 And she's just, she's very old school. 808 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,520 She has an old school mentality. She has an old school soul. 809 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,280 So she respects those who have come before her and is willing 810 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,200 to ask questions, watch videos of old stuff, not necessarily 811 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,040 the new stuff, but the old stuff, to kind of get an 812 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,920 understanding of where all of this started and where it all 813 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,680 began. And so to see her doing that, I 814 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,560 can only imagine what she was feeling inside, the joy that she 815 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,760 had being a part of history. And to me, that was history, no 816 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,840 question about it. No question. 817 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,120 And she, she looked, she literally looked like an old 818 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,320 school ref, which I really enjoyed. 819 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,480 She did. She looked, she looked amazing. 820 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,440 She looked amazing. I was actually, I had. 821 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,920 I should have called her, but I want to give her some time, you 822 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,120 know, to come off the road and do what she's doing. 823 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,800 But, you know, I was very proud of her. 824 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,800 I've always been proud of Jess and I call her every so often. 825 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,040 I don't like to bother her because I know she's busy and I 826 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,480 don't want her to feel obligated to have to call me. 827 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,320 So every once in a while I'll hit her up and tell a great job. 828 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,320 I'm very proud of you and you know, I'm very proud that you 829 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,600 were my student. You know, she did everything she 830 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,120 was supposed to do. She sure did. 831 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,400 She sure did, and she did a fantastic job with that, just 832 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,880 like she always does. I got a lot of time for ref Jess 833 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,280 as she's known online and then Jessica Carr. 834 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:31,760 She's fantastic, just like Daphne, the show who was 835 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,400 originally ref Asha. She's another one that you know, 836 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,680 these these female refs, man, they're they're eventually going 837 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,320 to be the ones passing down the knowledge to the next 838 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,800 generation. And that is so cool to see. 839 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,320 I love that, I love that. And and I love to see that type 840 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,680 of diversity in the company because it matters. 841 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,440 It certainly does. Overall, what's your thoughts on 842 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,200 this feud with Cody and Kevin Owens? 843 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,600 I mean, it clearly is not ending anytime soon, huh? 844 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,480 No. And I think it's very good for 845 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,440 business. I think it's more storytelling 846 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,960 than anything, which is what I like. 847 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,320 I I, I like the fact if anybody can do it. 848 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,400 And, you know, Kevin Owens is very, very good, very, very good 849 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,840 when it comes to storytelling. Him and Sami Zane, both 850 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,240 extremely good putting the matches together with them. 851 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:22,360 They go, they cover ABC all the way up to Z. 852 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,400 They make sure nothing is missed. 853 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,920 And I was just telling somebody, I said my last match was with 854 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:35,680 Sami Zayn and Neville SummerSlam, you know, 2016 and, 855 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,560 you know, had a really good time with them. 856 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,480 And it was I told, I remember after the match was over, I told 857 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,000 Sammy, I said thank you. I said, if we don't ever wrestle 858 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,880 again, I just want you to know I appreciate everything that you 859 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,520 did, you know, tonight in this match. 860 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,000 And he was like, oh, no, thank you, Devon. 861 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,320 It was a pleasure. I said, I don't know what's 862 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,920 going to happen. I said, but if I don't come 863 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,240 back, I said, I just want you to know I thank you. 864 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,240 And you know, I came back about two months later as a producer. 865 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,080 But you know, that's something that me and Sammy, every time we 866 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,960 talk to each other, he goes, you got one more in you. 867 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,440 I don't know, bro, I don't know. I said the money's got to be 868 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,200 right. I don't know. 869 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,120 I was like because you nearly kicked my ass in that last 870 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,760 match. I, I don't, I don't know about 871 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,480 you taking that. That's that kick that he does 872 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,000 that you know, when he, when he runs across the ring in the 873 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,840 corner and, and, and, and kicks his opponent in the face. 874 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,680 I can't even imagine you taking that, brother. 875 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,920 Well, you know, I remember I would never put my hands up 876 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,160 whenever Kane, Kane would whip me off and put the big boot up 877 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,960 and I would run right into it full blast 'cause I didn't want 878 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,600 anybody to think what we were doing was fake. 879 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:47,000 And you know, I made sure that whenever Kane did it, I made 880 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,560 sure I would tell as he was whipping me off. 881 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,160 I said, Kane, brace yourself, I go, I'm coming. 882 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:55,200 And he would put his leg up and I'd run right into a smack face, 883 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:58,480 just right into his boot face 1st. 884 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,440 And I remember Taker one time said Devon, you can put your 885 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,320 hands up. I said, with all due respect, 886 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,120 take a fuck that. I'm not putting my hands up. 887 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,280 I was like, if I'm going to hit it, I'm going to hit it. 888 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,040 And take it would always get mad at me for not putting my hands 889 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,600 up because he was like, you're going to knock yourself out, 890 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,520 you're going to give yourself concussions and you don't want 891 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,600 that. I said, take it. 892 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,320 I get it. I said, but remember where we 893 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,320 come from, it's ECW. I'm not saying that we're the 894 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,520 smartest group of people in the world. 895 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,160 We're probably the dumbest for not wanting to do what you're 896 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,240 saying, but that was the way I grew up in this business. 897 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,960 You know, you, you took pain and you enjoyed it. 898 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,400 You never complained about it. You did what you had to do. 899 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,640 You know, nowadays you break your foot. 900 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,200 You got to be out for as long as you got to be out for it, as 901 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,520 long as the doctor tells you. Back then we put a boot on our 902 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,760 leg and went in there and wrestled. 903 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,480 You know, I wrestled with a torn Achilles heel. 904 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,240 I had 25. I had 3030 minutes to go in the 905 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:54,200 match and tore my Achilles heel 5 minutes into the match and had 906 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,440 to finish it. I remember Jeff Jarrett going, 907 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,720 how the hell did you do that? I said Jeff, I've learned to 908 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:04,240 ignore pain over the years and to me it was like hitting my 909 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,200 knee against a chair or something. 910 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,440 That's that's how, you know, tough we had to be back then, 911 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,200 you know, we had to ignore it. And how many times did I see 912 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,960 Tommy Dreamer wrestling in one of those boot casters or RVD, 913 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:19,360 you know, NECW wrestle like that. 914 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,120 You know, we didn't take time off. 915 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,360 We were very old school. We didn't take time off. 916 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,040 And I'm not saying it was the smartest thing in the world, 917 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,080 because it probably wasn't, but we didn't do that. 918 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,320 That was just the way that generation was. 919 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,760 And I was very proud to be that part of that generation. 920 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,440 Listen, thank God for DDP Yoga and rest, because the fact that 921 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,880 you can move the way you can move today given your career 922 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,440 says a lot, right? I'm very grateful, you know 923 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,600 through the grace of God, that I'm able to walk, whether I walk 924 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,160 with a limp or walk a little slow. 925 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,120 Like you said, understand what I've been through and where I've 926 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,480 been before. You judge me when you see me. 927 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,360 Damn right, damn right. Wow, that's a big one. 928 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,880 That's a big we got to put that on AT shirt or something. 929 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,440 That's a big one right there. Wow. 930 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,960 Tell everybody about the businesses, man, because you you 931 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,080 got the detailed business, you got the cigar coming out the 932 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,160 cigar line. You got the the wrestling 933 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,680 school. Let's plug away, man. 934 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,320 Yeah, so the wrestling schools in Winter Park, FL, 2720 Forsyth 935 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,480 Rd. Winter Park, FL And you know, we 936 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,440 are, you know, we've been up since 1919, since 2007, and 937 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,560 we're still going strong. Bubba left, of course, and went 938 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,360 to Connecticut. He has the school up there and I 939 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,080 kept the school in Florida, so we're still ready to go. 940 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,240 We got a lot of students at our school and we're just trying to 941 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,520 get them in and pump them out and getting ready for NXT or 942 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,800 whatever is next for them on the horizon after being in our 943 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,480 school. But it's going great. 944 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,280 I'm enjoying myself and every once in a while I get burnt out 945 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,080 and I'm thinking what the hell am I doing? 946 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,440 Maybe I should just retire fully. 947 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,200 But then I get that itch to come back at all every so often. 948 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,360 So I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. 949 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,680 The rest of the school is still there. 950 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,760 Give us a call or you can go online and go to 951 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:14,240 www.devondudley.com and and it's VEVON Academy, 952 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,560 devondudleyacademy.com. Go on there and get all the 953 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,760 information you need if you want to become a wrestler and you 954 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,800 want to take the take your school to the next level. 955 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,520 And what about the car detailing? 956 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,520 You have the car detailing business down in Fort 957 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,480 Lauderdale. It's mobile. 958 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,680 I, I did it with a friend of mine who I went to high school 959 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,720 with and we put things online and things like that. 960 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:43,560 If if you live in in Miami, Fort Lauderdale area, Orlando Winter 961 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,880 Park, we go as far as Daytona. If you live in those areas from 962 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,920 Daytona down to Miami, if you would love your car to be done 963 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,480 the right way, then check us out at Devon Dudley. 964 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,440 I'm sorry at 3D auto detailing on Instagram and as well as 965 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,720 Facebook. Check us out and we'll come to 966 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,040 you. You don't have to come to us. 967 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,280 And how about the cigars? Yes, the cigar is a work in 968 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,840 progress. I didn't realize how tough this 969 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,480 getting this cigar was that was going to be easy. 970 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,080 But no, it's, it's something that we're trying to organize in 971 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,960 terms of what the distributors and all of that. 972 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,760 So that's in the works. And again, as soon as that comes 973 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,120 out and we're ready to distribute, well, let everybody 974 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,320 know. So that way you can get yourself 975 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,000 a Devon Deadly cigar. I love it. 976 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,440 I love it folks. Duke loves Rossling on Facebook 977 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,200 on on X or Twitter as we know it. 978 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,200 Duke loves rossling@gmail.com. Let me know what you think of 979 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,480 the show. Sending your questions. 980 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,120 All that good stuff there. As we mentioned before at 981 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,080 Testify, Devon on Instagram and on X as well. 982 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,800 If you see Devon on Facebook, don't even try it. 983 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,400 That's for close personal friends and family. 984 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,000 That's the private stuff. But the public stuff, you can 985 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,760 hit them up on X and on on Instagram and really see some 986 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,200 cool stuff, of course. And that does it for this week. 987 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,960 Devon, what do you have for our Word of the Week? 988 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,560 You know, I really didn't have one. 989 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,880 I should have had one. Let me go. 990 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,080 Let me go back to something I said in the very beginning, and 991 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,720 this isn't, this is for life in general. 992 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,040 If you fail to prepare, you are preparing to fail. 993 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,800 So if you don't get your life in order in the very beginning, how 994 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,480 can you get your life in order for the future? 995 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,040 So prepare yourself in the very beginning so you can prepare 996 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,240 yourself for the future and be successful. 997 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,480 Can we get a testify on that? Oh testify. 998 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:44,040 Strictly for the culture, every day stepping style in your 999 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:54,360 unique way, pants and colours. So define all about the perfect 1000 00:54:54,360 --> 00:55:00,560 life. 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