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I have come here to chew bubble 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,400 gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble. 22 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,120 Brothers and sisters, welcome back to another wonderful 23 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:47,640 edition of Devon and the Duke, the Limited podcast series 24 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,400 starring myself. Duke loves wrestling, who 25 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,720 finally has gotten over COVID-19. 26 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,560 Oh my goodness, they tried to Take Me Out. 27 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,440 But I'm back and I'm here for you. 28 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,120 And of course, one of the greatest of all time, the Hall 29 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,920 of Famer himself, Mr. Devon Dudley. 30 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,760 How you doing there Devon? Good good, how you doing? 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,080 Glad glad to hear that you got over COVID. 32 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,160 You know what's funny, man? We, we had a conversation, you 33 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,760 know, folks, Stevon and I, we, we talk a lot. 34 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,600 We actually are, are, are becoming really good friends 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,120 aside from doing this show. So I picked up the phone and we 36 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,040 and, and he heard my voice and I sounded like a different person, 37 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,800 didn't I? Yeah. 38 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,320 I, I, I didn't know what was going on. 39 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,720 Yeah, I don't know the rest. Yeah. 40 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,040 Right for real for I'll tell you right now, bad My my voice is my 41 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,480 money maker, OK? No matter what I've done in 42 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,440 life, this voice is the thing that that keeps me afloat. 43 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,840 So the fact that I was sounding crazy like that, that, oof, it 44 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,160 was a rough week. It was a rough week. 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,320 You know, on the flip side though, you had a fantastic 46 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,680 week. In fact, this past weekend you 47 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:09,160 were at a live event signing at a convention, and you definitely 48 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,880 set the place on Fireman. Talk to me about that a little 49 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,960 bit. Well, it was Galaxy Con in 50 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,240 Raleigh, NC. I've never been signing 51 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,080 autographs in the Carolina area. I've always performed but never 52 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,120 signed. And the fans came out in in huge 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:30,680 numbers for the support. Not just for the wrestlers that 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,760 were there, but all of the talent that was in attendance. 55 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,320 Again, it was Galaxy Con and I mean again, they really know how 56 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,480 to take care of their talent. Galaxy Con, I can't put over 57 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:50,520 enough how good it felt to be in a con that knew exactly what 58 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,920 they were doing. Because I've been to some comic 59 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,320 cons that man, they don't know where they're, they, they, 60 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,920 they're just horrible and how they treat people, the 61 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,240 advertisement and things like that. 62 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,800 But Galaxy Con was right on the money with everything. 63 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,880 Well, we definitely want to give a shout out to the folks at 64 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,200 Galaxy Con Certainly again, folks, you can check out Devon 65 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,640 social media, especially his his Instagram and you'll see 66 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,760 fantastic photos. The, the fans out there were 67 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,240 excited. It was a it was a good time. 68 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,520 It was a good time. And, and that's the whole point 69 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,200 anyone out there. If you are connected to a live 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,800 event, convention, meet and greet or what have you, and you 71 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,400 want Devon Dudley in your city, come on now, reach out. 72 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:41,400 Reach out and and let's see if Devon can make some time on the 73 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,640 schedule to be out there. Meet and greet the fans, sign 74 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,760 autographs. Most importantly, have a good 75 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,160 time. That's what it's all about here, 76 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,000 right? Absolutely, 100% testify. 77 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,000 That's right, that's right. Now folks, we know Summer Slam 78 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,000 is this upcoming weekend, the big PLE, it's one of the big 79 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,920 four. And certainly Devon Dudley is no 80 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,600 stranger to SummerSlam. In fact, I'm, I'm taking a look 81 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,280 at the stats here. Devon, you have had 17 matches 82 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,000 through the years at SummerSlam that that's incredible, 17 83 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,160 matches. Talk to me about that. 84 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,040 Just your fondest memories of competing at SummerSlam. 85 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Well, one of the fondest memories that I have, of course, 86 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,680 is Summer Slam where we did the first TLC match with the 87 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,760 Hardee's edging Christian, which really helped put us on the map 88 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,400 30 years ago and people still talk about today. 89 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,120 It was the one where I particularly hung with Jeff 90 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,920 Hardy, 25 to 30 feet up in the air, landed on my back and you 91 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,000 know the rest is history. That match right there helped 92 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,560 put The Dudley Boys edging Christian and The Hardee's on 93 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:58,360 the map as being, but how do I say this as being a very huge, 94 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,240 successful tag team during that time? 95 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,200 There were so many different tag teams that were on the horizon 96 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:12,080 back then, but that match that we did helped solidify us into 97 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,440 being one of the greatest rivalries that the WWE has ever 98 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,640 seen in tag team wrestling. I love those guys. 99 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,840 Andrew Christian, you know, the Hardees, Matt and Jeff, and of 100 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:29,560 course, Bubba myself, You know, again, I can't be more proud of 101 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,080 the work that we did that people still talk about. 102 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:38,680 And of course, that Summer Slam match led to WrestleMania 17 and 103 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,120 then other TLC matches that we did. 104 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,920 So again, Summer Slam has always been something true to my heart. 105 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,520 WrestleMania has as well, but Summer Slam is always that 106 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,160 special thing just because of that match. 107 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:58,040 Again, we had numerous matches that came out of SummerSlam, but 108 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,960 the one again that sticks out is the TLC match Tables, Ladders 109 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,680 and Chairs. It was a great time, a great 110 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,360 error, and just something that I will always be fond and 111 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,800 remember. Now, I know some wise guys out 112 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,120 there are going to say Duke, what do you mean 17 matches? 113 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,840 Of course, the WWE Live SummerSlam Heat Wave Tour, 114 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,640 that's also included in the mix there. 115 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,400 But in terms of the, when I say 17 matches, but in terms of the 116 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:31,040 actual SummerSlam PLE that we call it now, absolutely. 117 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,880 I mean, the, the TLC is definitely the one that stands 118 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,840 out for all of us the most. Devon, ironically, the last time 119 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,120 you performed at SummerSlam, the actual PLE, it was the Dudley 120 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,920 Boys taking on Neville and Sami Zayn. 121 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,640 So when we Fast forward now, we think about where Sami Zayn is 122 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,920 today, where he's definitely on that upper card. 123 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,680 Now he's he's somebody who, you know, at any point you can plug 124 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,360 him in as being a top contender for the world title and people 125 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,040 will show up and pay money to see that. 126 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,520 How does it feel to know that you were somebody who was 127 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,040 helping this young man early on in his WWE career to make a name 128 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,520 for himself and now you know it's stuck and he he 129 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,560 legitimately is becoming a household name? 130 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,840 Well, I look at it this way, anybody that we've helped or 131 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,360 I've helped over the years and has been very successful, I'm 132 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:37,360 very happy about being able to extend the knowledge to someone 133 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,760 and they take it and wrap it up and do something with it is 134 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,039 always a good thing. I think that's one of the 135 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:48,000 reasons why I got into teaching at the Wrestling Academy that I 136 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:53,120 have, because I found more joy in passing the torch than being 137 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,080 in the ring. In itself. 138 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,280 It's just a complete honor and I'm so happy that everything is 139 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,320 going well for him. I, I just, you know, I can't 140 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:06,920 begin to stress enough how much gratification I get when I see 141 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,080 things like that happening. Because again, it's a testament 142 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:16,280 to what you've done and what you are doing for the person, the 143 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,320 individual that you are helping, and for them to grasp it, take 144 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,000 it in and then be able to make something of it and go out there 145 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,200 and do it. It's a very special thing. 146 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,560 Certainly if you if you have ever shared a ring with Devon 147 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:34,800 Dudley, you probably are somebody who is very well 148 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,280 regarded and remembered in the wrestling industry. 149 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:38,920 That's just the way it is all over the world. 150 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,200 There's no two ways about it. And again, that's a testament to 151 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,040 you and Bubba and just the great work that you guys have done 152 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,920 through the years, not just Hall of Farmers and great Wrestlers 153 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,040 yourselves, but as you just said, great teachers and folks. 154 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:58,120 That's exactly why Devon Academy, you definitely, if 155 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,200 you're somebody who's interested in becoming a pro wrestler, go 156 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,560 to a reputable wrestling school. Learn from the best, OK, we're 157 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:11,600 talking about a Hall of Famer here who's won titles all over 158 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,720 the world, all the different major promotions and what have 159 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,440 you. The proof is in the pudding. 160 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,920 And again, take a look at who this man has been in the ring 161 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,000 with and where they've gone. Take a look at who this man has 162 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,240 trained and where they are today. 163 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,960 This is exactly why you got to check out the Devon Dudley 164 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,520 Wrestling Academy. In fact, What's the website 165 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:42,160 again there, Devon? It's www.devondevondudley.com. 166 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,640 Love it, love it. Check it out, folks down there 167 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,680 in Florida for sure. I wonder, I wonder Devon, some 168 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:54,760 some chatter has been happening online regarding this summer 169 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,320 slam. Right now there were seven 170 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,040 matches that have been announced and it looks like a great card. 171 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,120 Top to bottom looks like a great card. 172 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,720 Of course, they'll probably have some matches on the pre show as 173 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,680 well. But one of the most glaring 174 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,200 issues here and something that folks have really have started a 175 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,520 movement about is the fact that there isn't a single black 176 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:23,480 wrestler currently on this Summer Slam card. 177 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,720 And I mean, we're only a few days away from this card 178 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,280 happening. It's happening this Saturday. 179 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,040 What are your thoughts on that, Devon? 180 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,680 I mean, in Full disclosure, you know, there's, there's different 181 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,400 races and, and nationalities being represented on the card, 182 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,120 but unfortunately there's nobody black on it. 183 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,120 Any thoughts on that? Well, you know, again, sometimes 184 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,560 it's a hard decision. I don't think it's so much race 185 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,320 that has to do with it. It could be just the luck of the 186 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,520 draw and it just could be a coincidence. 187 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,320 I've never known Triple H to play the race card or even 188 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,200 working with them. You know, it's, it's hard to say 189 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,560 why something like that, you know, is not happening the way 190 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,400 it should. It just goes back. 191 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,040 I mean, we have Montez Ford, we have Dawkins. 192 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,200 You know, they're a good tag team. 193 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,520 Why they're not on it, I don't know. 194 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,400 What about Bianca Bel Air, is she on it or is she still 195 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,800 injured? I believe she was injured, 196 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,920 correct? Bianca and Jade, they've been A 197 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,680 tag team recently. Yeah, they're both, they're both 198 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:30,000 a little banged up, but they were just on a recent tour in 199 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,680 Japan and they and they performed. 200 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,920 Obviously when you take two singles wrestlers and you make 201 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,680 them A tag team, that could be a way, and correct me if I'm 202 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,360 wrong, Devon, but that could be a way to help somebody who may 203 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,680 be dealing with nagging injuries. 204 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,000 Does does that make sense? Absolutely no question about 205 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,920 that. And you know, injuries can take 206 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:56,040 you out, you know, I mean, as we all know, sometimes it's good in 207 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,320 the sense because the body needs a rest. 208 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,200 Sometimes it's bad. But I don't know, I just feel, 209 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,640 you know, to me, in my career, whenever there was an injury, I 210 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,680 always felt, you know, there's a reason for it. 211 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:11,320 I had to look at it from a biblical standpoint. 212 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:14,640 And what I mean by that is, you know, sometimes God takes you 213 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,800 out of something and brings you into something that's better for 214 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,360 you. Maybe, you know, an injury 215 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,880 happening could be a good thing. I think people should look at it 216 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,000 that way. I mean, sure, it hurts, it 217 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,760 sucks, you know, you don't want to go through it. 218 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,760 But think about what happens when you come out of that, you 219 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,080 know, you could be better than ever and moving the way you 220 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,080 should. So I, I think, you know, from 221 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,840 looking at it from that perspective, I've always tried 222 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,000 to look at it from a biblical standpoint and say God knows 223 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,880 what he's doing. He ain't gonna let it happen if 224 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,640 he doesn't. So that's the way I kind of look 225 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,160 at it from that perspective. Well said. 226 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,320 Well said. I mean, listen, I, I think that 227 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,040 when we look at the history of pro wrestling, there's no 228 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,400 confusion about the fact that there has been a tremendous 229 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,440 amount of racism and challenges through the years, including in 230 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,640 WWE. But we got to tip our hat. 231 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,600 And we have to give credit where credit is due. 232 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,040 That has not been the case over the past five, 6-7 years. 233 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,520 It's been a complete 180. That's been done. 234 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,280 No, absolutely. You know, again, could it be a 235 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,040 coincidence? Absolutely. 236 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,160 I don't think anybody should really play the race card yet in 237 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,880 terms of that. And I say yet because it really 238 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,720 hasn't been proven to that degree. 239 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,400 But you just never know, you know, nowadays, you know, I 240 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,480 would like to think that Hunter wouldn't play the race game, you 241 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,840 know, because I've never known him to do that. 242 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,640 You know, when you look at certain things over the years 243 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,800 with Vince and how he did certain, you know, black 244 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,480 performers, a lot of people would say it was wrong. 245 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,720 And speaking to people like Bad News Brown, Coco, beware 246 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,600 schooling me when I first got into the WWE, you know, I was 247 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,240 always told, you know, Devon, this is a white man's sport and 248 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,520 you're going to have to work 10 times harder for your character 249 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,200 to get over then the white man will. 250 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,280 And sometimes it showed his ugly head. 251 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,480 And you know, I kind of witnessed certain things, but 252 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,560 then again, I didn't mind working hard. 253 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,080 You know, it showed me that I could go out there and nobody 254 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,240 can ever take that away from me. So I didn't mind doing that. 255 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,000 I just feel, you know, and again, I'm not trying to say 256 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,920 anything, but maybe, you know, that should have been looked at 257 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,920 because again, if you noticing that there are no Black Stars on 258 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,480 Summer Slam, then guess what? Other people are going to notice 259 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,760 that too and they're going to bring it out. 260 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,880 So you've got to be very careful about how you're doing things 261 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,200 like that. And it's a shame that that is 262 00:15:55,200 --> 00:16:00,840 the case because I don't think anything should be, nothing 263 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,280 should be like that in terms of, you know, saying, hey, how come 264 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,000 there's no many? How come there's no black people 265 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,160 on the show and this and that. So I think we need to be careful 266 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,960 when they're booking and realize what they have because nowadays 267 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,480 with cancer culture and all of this stuff that's going on, it's 268 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,720 going to be picked up and it's going to be recognized. 269 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,560 And if someone is doing it maliciously, then they will be 270 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,640 exposed as time goes on, which is why I said, you know, 271 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,640 everything is on God's timing. You know, if he wants you to be 272 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,160 a part of that, then he will. If he doesn't, then he's not. 273 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:32,560 He's got something bigger for you. 274 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,560 That's how I've always looked at it. 275 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,600 Well said, well said. And, and you know, for, for 276 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:45,320 fairness here, when you take a look at NXT, which for all these 277 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:50,440 years it's been the developmental promotion, this 278 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,080 year in particular, you can't find a more diverse pro 279 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,680 wrestling program on TV today. NXT is just tremendous in that 280 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,160 regard. And them moving over to The CW 281 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,520 in a couple of months, you really aren't going to call them 282 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,760 developmental anymore. That's a third brand. 283 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,880 So it's not as if WWE is not focusing on developing Black 284 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,240 Stars. In fact, that's a mandate, you 285 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,720 know, at these tryouts and things like that, they are 286 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,280 particularly looking for wrestlers of color, especially 287 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,200 Black Stars, because you get the numbers of the proof in the 288 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,840 pudding, you know what I mean? The fans, that's what they want 289 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,880 to see. They want to see that diversity. 290 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,680 Everybody wants to turn on the television and see themselves 291 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,880 somewhere on the card. So with that said, I don't think 292 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,160 this is going to be something that we see again. 293 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:46,800 I think this was just a, a strange coincidence given what 294 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,520 WWE has been doing top to bottom overall. 295 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,480 And by the way, it doesn't mean that there isn't diversity 296 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,720 elsewhere as well. You know what I mean? 297 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,760 And you look at all these, the Samoans and Tongans and what 298 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,520 have you, the Asian wrestlers, there's a, there's a lot going 299 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,960 on. Hispanic wrestlers, Jesus, 300 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,840 Damien Priest Bailey, they are Hispanic wrestlers. 301 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,240 So there are, there is diversity everywhere. 302 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,560 We do want to see our Black Stars, though, not taking that 303 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,840 away, but I think this is kind of a hiccup. 304 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,560 That was just a happy accident and hopefully that we don't see 305 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,280 that again moving forward. It's it's interesting, Devon, 306 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:27,320 because WWE continues to chug along, making money hand over 307 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,640 fist at these PL. ES. 308 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,560 You know, they're getting site fees from these cities, so the 309 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,440 cities are literally paying them to host PL. 310 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,360 ES at their no longer pay per views PL. 311 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:44,240 ES in their cities. And because of that, they're 312 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,640 setting up residences. So in addition to the actual 313 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:53,000 card, you know, Summer Slam on Saturday, you also have 314 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,520 Smackdown. You're going to have Raw. 315 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,280 They're all going to stay in the same area there. 316 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,440 But then you have these other live events. 317 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:04,040 You have an Undertaker event, you have a Sami Zayn event, you 318 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,440 have a screening of the Damien Priest documentary that's 319 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,640 happening. What are your thoughts about WWE 320 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,520 figuring out that they can make even more money by having these 321 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,720 extra events in addition to the big game, so to speak? 322 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,560 Well, think about it. The more content you have in 323 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,360 terms of what you just described, the better it's for 324 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:29,400 the company. You know, the documentary on 325 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,920 Damian Priest, which is great. I mean, think about the, you 326 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:38,960 know, the Puerto Rican culture that is going to really enjoy 327 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,120 seeing something like that because it's somebody that's 328 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:45,920 representing them, you know? So I think that's a great thing. 329 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:51,880 Sami Zayn, you know, with where he's come from, you know, since 330 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,280 his time being in WWE, let's just say, even say NXT to where 331 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,320 he has now and he has evolved and the whole thing with the 332 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,960 Bloodline storyline, that was a huge success. 333 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,840 And now he's going on on his own without the Bloodline and is 334 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,360 even getting more success. So to me that's huge. 335 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,240 So when you have. You know, people like this that 336 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,120 are actually having extra content on the show and being 337 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:20,800 represented in a positive light, it's only good for the show for 338 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,040 that to be so I honestly think that it's a great thing. 339 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,160 And the more the stuff that they can do like that, the better it 340 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,680 is. You're kind of stepping outside 341 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,640 the box. Remember when we were growing 342 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,080 up, you really didn't have documentaries and things like 343 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,720 that. You didn't know, like, for 344 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,240 instance, when I first saw Hulk Hogan, I always thought that he 345 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,040 talked the way he talked. You know what the you know 346 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,840 what's what the brother, I always thought that was him. 347 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,280 And then one day I saw him on an interview and he was just as 348 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,000 calm as can be. And that kind of shocked the 349 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,840 hell out of me. I was like, what the hell? 350 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,520 He's not screaming, he's not yelling. 351 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,720 But you know, that's showing the real side of of Hogan. 352 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,800 And I think you see a lot of that when you're seeing the 353 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,560 documentaries of of Damian Priest and you're seeing 354 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,080 whatever you're seeing with Sami Zayn and you know all the star 355 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,240 that they're doing in between. I think it's great. 356 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,840 It's one of those things, again, fans aren't used to seeing. 357 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,400 We're only used to seeing what we're seeing on TV in terms of 358 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,160 their characters during the shows. 359 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,560 But to see them outside of that and to see them in a normal 360 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:29,160 life, it's a great thing. Absolutely, absolutely. 361 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,840 I agree. And listen, we we have these 362 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:36,800 other promotions out there who they go into the same cities 363 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,880 that the WWE are in, especially WrestleMania weekend, summer 364 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,400 slam weekend, and they hold events because they they turn 365 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,240 into a big convention because they're trying to make money 366 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,160 since all these fans are going to be in town anyway. 367 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,040 And it's interesting. And I've always wondered about 368 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,520 that, you know, WWE could make more money if they held more 369 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,000 events during that time period because these other indie 370 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,600 promotions and what have you're doing it. 371 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,600 So hey, you know what I mean, WWE drew those fans, so why not 372 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,880 keep that money in house? And, and it seems like that's 373 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,320 exactly what they're starting to do now from a business 374 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,240 standpoint. They're figuring out, hey, let's 375 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,800 give the fans more things to do since they're in town, because 376 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,480 if we don't provide that service for them, somebody else will. 377 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,520 And that's that's just money that you're losing as a result. 378 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,560 So it's a it's an interesting concept there. 379 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,320 It's proof that that pro wrestling is really as a whole 380 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,800 and WW ES business as a whole is as strong as it's ever been. 381 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,360 And I want to ask you about something, and I want to preface 382 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,000 this, folks. We're not going to go too, too 383 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:48,200 far off the deep end politically here, but there is a perspective 384 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,760 that I think Devon is perfect for providing here. 385 00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:00,840 Hulk Hogan was invited to speak at the Republican National 386 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,280 Convention and he was one of the people that was helping to 387 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:12,520 introduce former president and the now Republican nominee, 2024 388 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,320 nominee for president, WWE Hall of Famer, Donald Trump. 389 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,720 Hogan was one of the people who were there to help introduce 390 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,400 Trump. And, and Trump had tears in his 391 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,320 eyes when he was listening to Hogan speak and what have you. 392 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,440 Hulk was up there. He tore off his shirt. 393 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,080 He did the whole Hulk Hogan shtick that we grew up watching 394 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,120 and all that good stuff. What are your thoughts about? 395 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,920 And this isn't the first time, it's not the first time that a, 396 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,240 that a pro wrestler has been at one of these conventions. 397 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,480 Ric Flair has done it. The Rock has done it. 398 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,440 It's it's happened through the years. 399 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,360 What are your thoughts on not just politics, but just 400 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,920 mainstream in general, finding these creative ways to use the 401 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,800 star power of pro wrestlers in order to help further whatever 402 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,480 it is that they're trying to do? Well, remember back in the day, 403 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:08,400 Rock the Vote, which was headed by Linda McMahon and Stephanie, 404 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,000 you know, they've always used pro wrestling to do things like 405 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,840 that. Also remember there was a 406 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,480 relationship between Trump and Hogan before this WrestleMania 407 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,880 four and five, when it was held at the Trump Plaza in Atlantic 408 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,000 City WrestleMania. So there's always been a 409 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,240 relationship between those two. There's always been a 410 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,360 relationship between pro wrestling and Trump. 411 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,520 And right now, pro wrestling is hot. 412 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,160 So why wouldn't you get, you know, a wrestler to come in to 413 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,840 represent the candidate? You know, we call on everybody 414 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,760 else to come in and help. You know, they call everybody 415 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,800 else to come in to help out. Why wouldn't they call us? 416 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:51,920 Wrestling right now is on. A is on. 417 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,120 I don't say wrestling is very hot right now. 418 00:24:56,120 --> 00:25:02,920 And you know, I think either party, whether it be Republican 419 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:09,520 or Democrat, can use the endorsement for pro wrestlers. 420 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,560 Remember, we attract the young vote, which is why back in the 421 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,960 day when Linda McMahon got involved in it and basically did 422 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,840 the rock your vote thing, This is why because the young people 423 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,560 can make a difference. So if you can get enough young 424 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,120 people that watch wrestling and turn them to get to the polls 425 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,760 and start voting, it's a win win for everybody. 426 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,720 You know, we're not just sitting home waiting for the results of 427 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,120 the election and then being disappointed. 428 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,440 You know, when the one that we wanted didn't win, you got to go 429 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,920 out there and vote. You got to go out there and do 430 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,080 that. And if bringing in pro wrestlers 431 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,120 is the way to get you to get off your couch and then go and vote, 432 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,120 then so be it. So I think it's a good thing. 433 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,440 But again, it's always been like that. 434 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,280 Absolutely. And and clearly it's effective. 435 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,160 I mean, the TV ratings are through the roof. 436 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,920 Trump raised a lot of money as a result of that. 437 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,320 There was a lot of press because of Hogan. 438 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,600 So the proof is in the pudding there. 439 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,760 Who would you counter a Hulk Hogan with it if if, if you were 440 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:14,680 to put a different wrestler up to counter that to somebody 441 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,040 who's going to draw you ratings or any? 442 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,200 Is there anybody, do you think there's anybody else who could 443 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,280 deliver the way a Hulk Hogan could? 444 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,040 I mean, The Rock is one. I think John Cena can do it. 445 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,080 Even Roman Reigns, you know, you want to put the head of the 446 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,960 table there, I think. I think Roman can do it. 447 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,280 I think any of those three guys I just mentioned can be more 448 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,440 than happy to go with. And, you know, almost, I don't 449 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,360 want to say, yeah, I'd say toe to toe with Hogan. 450 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:45,640 Well, since these are current guys, these are more current 451 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,160 guys, right? Exactly. 452 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,600 And who are very popular again, The Rock, You know, did it at 453 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,720 one point, which was very, you know, he influenced a lot of 454 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,640 people to come out and vote back in the 90s, you know, 'cause he 455 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,800 was on that King that campaign during that time. 456 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,240 So the WWE did that job in terms of getting a lot of young people 457 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,160 to get off their behinds and go and vote back in the 90s. 458 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,280 And why not still use that platform today? 459 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,560 And that's a lesson for all of you folks out there who have 460 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,600 brands no matter what it is, whether it's politics, whether 461 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,480 it's soda, chips, skin care products, you name it. 462 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,360 You know, pro wrestlers are hot. And just like Devon said, you 463 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,440 know, they, they draw a younger demographic for sure because 464 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,840 folks grew up watching them are, are actively still watching 465 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,440 them. So it's not a bad idea if you 466 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,000 want to push your product, no matter what it is, to reach out 467 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,280 to a pro wrestler with some name identity. 468 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,280 You might move some units. And certainly the last time I 469 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,240 checked, Devon Dudley was open for business. 470 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,960 Am I? Am I right about that, Devon? 471 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,680 I don't know about going to the convention and speaking, but I 472 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,800 can do it from social media, from my house. 473 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,840 Well, listen, that you, you, you know, even beyond that, if it's 474 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,440 a flavored water company or you know, it might be a brand of 475 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,200 cigars or something, what do we say? 476 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,080 Are we we going to get a Devon Dudley being the the the face of 477 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,400 a brand? That might happen. 478 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,200 That could happen. If anybody is listening, I would 479 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,200 love to do that. So let's make it happen. 480 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,240 Give us a call. There we go. 481 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,080 You see that folks, I'm telling you, we do business around here. 482 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,640 That's right. Speaking of business and I, you 483 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,120 know our our favorite friends here. 484 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:45,280 This is this is the part of the show every single week where the 485 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,040 the hate listeners, they're tuning in for this part. 486 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,280 And certainly, you know, devoted the Duke. 487 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,560 We're going to give you what you're listening for, you hate 488 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,320 listeners out there. Tony Kahn, he's done it again. 489 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,400 He's managed to find himself back in the news cycle. 490 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:13,240 This time, ironically, he stated Tony Kahn stated that he would 491 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,120 be interested in doing business with the WWE. 492 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,040 So the same guy that called the WWE the Harvey Weinstein of pro 493 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,720 wrestling just a few months later is now saying that he'd do 494 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,080 business with them. Is this guy out of his mind, 495 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,800 Devon? I, I, I'm not sure what's going 496 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:42,040 on with Tony Khan, you know, man, I mean, you know, you would 497 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440 think so. I mean, the way he's acting, you 498 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,640 know, again, here's the here's the thing that I got to say is 499 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,800 that I don't think the WWE would want to do business with him. 500 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,880 That that's my, I could be wrong. 501 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,920 I could be overstepping my boundaries when I say that. 502 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,600 But you know, I don't know. I just don't think that I don't 503 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,360 know. I don't think it. 504 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,880 I don't think they would. I'd be more surprised if Hunter 505 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,720 did because again, WWE doesn't need them. 506 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,560 AEW needs WWE, and I'm not saying that from a talent 507 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120 standpoint because again, I've said this before and I'll say it 508 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,320 again, AEW has a tremendous amount of talent in their 509 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,400 company. They just don't have the 510 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,080 guidance from the right person steering the ship to lead them 511 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,480 in that direction to go against a head to head like WWE. 512 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,840 They have tremendous talent, but they're lacking the leadership 513 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,400 and that's the problem. So, you know, to think that WWE 514 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,480 would want to do business with somebody like Tony Khan, I don't 515 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,520 know. I, I, I find it hard pressed to 516 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,440 believe that that would happen again, I've seen other things 517 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,240 happen and I don't know, you never know, but I, I just don't 518 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,240 think it would happen. I think it would be insane to 519 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,560 want to do business with a man, you know, that would say the 520 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,720 things that he said. I mean, just just think about 521 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,440 the things even, you know, the Harvey, Harvey Weinstein or 522 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,720 Weinstein, whatever that guy's name is in Hollywood, they got 523 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,400 in trouble to say that WWE is like him. 524 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,240 And then of course, I'm sure he'll backtrack and say, well, 525 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,400 no, I meant Vince McMahon, you know, and blah, blah, blah, 526 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,320 whatever. You should have said it in the 527 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,640 1st place. It was the wrong place to say 528 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,800 that. The wrong platform. 529 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,920 You're at the NFL draft. Why would you say something like 530 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,920 that? Secondly, to actually say that, 531 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:34,000 you know, Edge had the greatest run of all time in AW, bigger 532 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,200 than WWE. I'm trying to understand what 533 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,800 Tony Khan is smoking because he's only had four or five 534 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,080 matches. So how can you even make that 535 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,400 reference when he's done what he's done in WWE, which is 536 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,840 probably why you wanted him to come to your company in the 1st 537 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,480 place. So that I don't know that just 538 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,800 man, I don't know. I'm at a loss. 539 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,040 He's all over the place. Yeah, he's all. 540 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,760 It's like my ex-wife. Listen, you got to get this 541 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,000 cancelled, man. Stop that. 542 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680 Don't do that to me though. Oh no. 543 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,960 If you knew my second ex-wife, you'd understand why. 544 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,600 But it's it is kind of crazy though, when you think such big 545 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,760 extremes and Tony Khan is covering both bases there, it 546 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,920 really makes you scratch your head. 547 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,800 I ironically, when you look at the success that TNA is 548 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,640 achieving right now, you know they just had a major sellout 549 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,000 for their last pay-per-view. That's probably why he sees what 550 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,440 WWE is doing for TNA, the working relationship that they 551 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,280 have. So you don't think Tony Conn's? 552 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,840 I don't want to piggyback off of that. 553 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,760 Absolutely. You know, Tony Khan is not Tony 554 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,040 Khan. In my opinion, he's like Dixie 555 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,480 Carter. He should be behind the scenes 556 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,320 financially, taking care of business and let those who know 557 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,080 what they're doing with the wrestling minds, let them handle 558 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,560 the storylines and all that. Let them handle that part of the 559 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,080 business. You just stick to the 560 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,400 financials. Well, I don't even know if he 561 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,640 can do that right. We know that Tony's good at 562 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,840 spending money, but he hasn't proven that he knows how to 563 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,280 actually make money in pro wrestling. 564 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,000 I mean it, and it it's strange. There was a story that was 565 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,800 floated out there and a lot of these dirt sheets picked up on 566 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,200 it. They claim that there was a 567 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:41,120 agreement in principle between WBD and AEW, So they had signed 568 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,520 something stating that they were going to have a new contract for 569 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,640 AEW. So all their shows, you know, 570 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,400 Dynamite, Rampage, Collision, what have you, that they were 571 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,080 going to give them a new contract. 572 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,240 They just were still negotiating. 573 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,680 But the agreement in principle, you know, just makes it so both 574 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,520 parties have to continue to negotiate. 575 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:05,880 They're not going anywhere else. Tony Kahn had to state that that 576 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,560 wasn't true and that although he's still negotiating, there is 577 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,159 no agreement in place right now. But then he said something that 578 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,040 was very strange. I want to get your thoughts on 579 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,560 this Steve on. That doesn't surprise me, he 580 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,840 said something strange. Exactly that's that's his his 581 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,679 MO. Tony Kahn said that one of the 582 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:32,760 dirt sheet riders confided in him that somebody from WWEPR had 583 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,199 floated this story and it wasn't true that AEW had an agreement 584 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,400 in principle with WBD. And the idea is they're they're 585 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,320 trying to mess with our negotiations. 586 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,199 And you know, the WWPR, they need to stay out of our 587 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,560 business. He started going on this crazy 588 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,480 rant in this crazy conspiracy that WWE is trying to meddle in 589 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640 his negotiations. What are your thoughts on that? 590 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,120 WWE is not worried about Tony Khan. 591 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,720 I can tell you that right off the bat. 592 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,440 They ain't worried about him. Tony Khan is too busy worried 593 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,800 about WWE. Someone who I admire very well 594 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,880 in this business that works for AW is swerved, you know, great 595 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,520 guy. But I do know that his cousin, I 596 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,840 think it is, who's a dirt sheet rider who basically is in Tony's 597 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,080 air a lot. That might have been the one 598 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,840 that basically pretty much said that to him. 599 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:38,720 Tony likes to be fed information or what have you by anybody that 600 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,960 will give it to him. And if if, if it was Swerve's 601 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,960 cousin that said that to him, probably, which probably was, 602 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,920 you know, as far as I'm concerned, from my understanding 603 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,800 from people in the locker room, the three times I was there in 604 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,440 the meetings, every single person said he's a snake And 605 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,960 they don't know why Tony Khan is trusting him. 606 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,080 I don't know him personally, but and what I've seen and his 607 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,800 demeanor and all that, I got to tend to agree that they're 608 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,240 probably right. He can write whatever he wants 609 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,160 to say about me. But the bottom line is everybody 610 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,440 in that locker room thinks that you're a snake. 611 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,200 And if you're a snake, then if they think that then depends on 612 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,120 you probably are. Again, this is getting off that 613 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,480 a little bit off the topic, but you know, these are the people 614 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,920 that Tony Khan has in his ear. You know, Vince doesn't have 615 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,680 people like that in his head. The people that Vince had or 616 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,920 even I'm, I'm just saying for Vince, the people that Vince had 617 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,560 in his ear, a lot of the boys didn't like them, but they were 618 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,800 wrestling minds that knew how to draw money. 619 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,280 Tony doesn't have that in his company. 620 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,920 He's got people that he should not be trusting and is messing 621 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,880 him up. Triple H, as we can see, is 622 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,800 doing a fantastic job with doing what he's doing and yet with his 623 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,040 knowledge and what he's got going on in the business, you 624 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,240 can see in the ratings and and everything else in terms of 625 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,800 people in his ear, I'm sure he has the right people in his ear 626 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,680 telling him what to do and how to do it. 627 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,960 Not everybody's gonna be happy 100% of the time, but for those 628 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,400 that are happy, they're singing his praises. 629 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,360 For those that aren't happy, they're gonna bury him. 630 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,600 That's just the way it is. Well said, Well said. 631 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,960 And listen, you, you, you're talking about Swerve's cousin. 632 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,840 I'm assuming you're talking Will Washington, who Tony Khan hired. 633 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,080 This is a guy who worked for Fightful. 634 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,200 He had, you know, podcasts and what have you. 635 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,280 Interesting guy. You know, there there's a lot of 636 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,480 people who like him, but then there's a lot of people who 637 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,800 don't like him so much. So that's interesting. 638 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,280 If if the if the boys in the locker room are saying this 639 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,840 guy's a snake. Hey, Tony, what do you think 640 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,480 about that? And. 641 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,520 What I'm telling you, I'm not saying that I think he's 642 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,040 personally Snake. I'm saying what is being told 643 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,840 when I've asked the questions. Who is that guy? 644 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,920 I've gotten the same response from everybody. 645 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,040 Even when I was on the Jericho cruise and his name came up, 646 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,600 that was what was being said. And you know, again, I'm not 647 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,800 going out there saying anything bad about him, but I'm telling 648 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,200 you what the perception is about him within the company, within 649 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,240 the company that he works for. And these are people that say, 650 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,960 you know what, I'm nice to him because if I'm not nice to him, 651 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,200 he'll go to Tony, say something. I'm off for TV so I don't say 652 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,080 anything. Well, it's, it's interesting 653 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,680 because, you know, there, there are some friends of the show who 654 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:51,720 had a, a situation where one of the folks was injured and it was 655 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:53,880 a very serious, you know, medical issue. 656 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,320 And somehow information got leaked out into the dirt sheets. 657 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,840 Now, whether the information was accurate or not, nonetheless 658 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,760 this is about very personal medical information that was 659 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,600 being put out there. And you got to wonder because 660 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,720 the publication that put it out was fightful. 661 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,920 And that's the same publication that Swerves cousin Will 662 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,080 Washington used to work for. You got to wonder who this stuff 663 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,400 is coming from. So when we talk about somebody 664 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,200 potentially being a snake, if you're putting out people's 665 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,800 personal medical information that is not public record and 666 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,920 that only a handful of people in the company could have possibly 667 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,040 known whether it's true or not, that says a lot about your 668 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,400 character. And I'm just going to leave it 669 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,480 at that. You know who I'm talking to and 670 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,560 you know what I'm talking about, OK? 671 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,120 It was wrong. Whether it was accurate or not, 672 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,160 it was wrong to be putting out people's personal medical 673 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,920 information. In fact, I think it's against 674 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,920 the law, quite frankly. And my question for Tony Kahn, 675 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,480 cuz I know you hate listening to the show. 676 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,760 One of your confidants has already told me that. 677 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,120 By the way, Devon, congratulations, Tony's 678 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,280 listening. You know, Tony, you got to 679 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,840 wonder, who are these bozos that you're employing where they're 680 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,800 putting out people's personal medical information out there? 681 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,000 Accurate or inaccurate? You know what I mean? 682 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,120 Is, are these the type of financial problems you want to 683 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,680 have? Because that's a lawsuit waiting 684 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,560 to happen, brother. I'm just going to leave it at 685 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,600 that. Just going to leave it at. 686 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,960 That, well, I mean, look, let the lawsuits kill you. 687 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,400 I mean, you know, I don't get it. 688 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,440 I really don't get it. This business is really not that 689 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,160 complicated, complicated to get. And history, it's like life. 690 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,280 Life is one big circle and the problems that you're going 691 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,600 through, the situations that a person is going through, all you 692 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,880 have to do is look at the past and see that it's very similar 693 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,560 that somebody else has had the same problems that you've had 694 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,320 and all you gotta do is learn from their mistakes. 695 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,920 Point in case WCW, look at what happened there and everybody's 696 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,000 saying that AW is following that same path. 697 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,320 I hope it does it for the sake of the wrestling business 698 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,360 because we need competition, but if you don't get your shit right 699 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,960 and and start taking care of business, then you're going to 700 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,240 wind up just like that. Whether you believe it or not, 701 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,720 it's going to happen. That's right. 702 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:27,960 And, and certainly here we are. It's already we're knocking on 703 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,240 the door of August and they still don't have a new 704 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:35,000 television deal going into 2025, at least not in the United 705 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,560 States. That is a big, big problem. 706 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,200 I mean, you got all those people on staff, you got all those 707 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,880 people under contract and they may not have a job come January. 708 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,320 I mean, you know, Devon has somebody who has worked show to 709 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,800 show appearance to appearance. Talk to me about the the anxiety 710 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,280 of, in the modern day working under those conditions when you 711 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,440 know you're accustomed to being under contract and, and as far 712 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,240 as you know, the company's going to be around. 713 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,440 So that the idea that in a couple of months that paycheck 714 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,960 just may stop. What kind of feeling is that? 715 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,840 Well, it's an uneasy feeling, especially when you have a 716 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,480 family. If you have a family that you're 717 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,400 taking care of, you don't want the paycheck to stop. 718 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,720 That's like any job that goes on today. 719 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,520 You know, once you hear that a, a job that you work for for 720 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,360 20-30 years is going to close down and you're nowhere near 721 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,200 financially stable already, it's nervous. 722 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,760 You're nervous, you're scared. How are you going to feed your 723 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,400 family, feed yourself? You know it's crazy, you know 724 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,440 it, it is crazy and you know you don't want to be caught on the 725 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,160 outside of anything, so you want to try to protect yourself as 726 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,280 much as problem as much as possible. 727 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,080 How many times have you heard, you know, people working in 728 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:01,520 plants and stuff like that or what have you, you know, where 729 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,600 they, you know, heard about their businesses closing and 730 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,240 they're scared. I mean, no one wants to hear 731 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,160 that the place of employment where they make the money to 732 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,320 feed their family is going to close down. 733 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,560 They just don't want. To all said, well said. 734 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,920 So my heart goes out to everybody in that company who's 735 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,960 collected a paycheck. I mean, look, you got to start 736 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,400 asking yourself what's what's Plan B here? 737 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,600 Because January's around the corner, you know what I mean? 738 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,200 And this is a very real situation now historically, and 739 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,080 I don't know if you know this or not, Devon, but historically 740 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,640 Shahd Khan has a reputation for bankrupting companies. 741 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,960 It's what he does. And Black News Channel is a 742 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,200 prime example. Here we have this Pakistani 743 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:55,960 businessman who purchases a 24 hour black news channel and 744 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,920 within a couple of months he bankrupted them and didn't even 745 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,240 pay everybody. So a lot of folks, if they did 746 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,000 get paid, they got paid pennies on the dollar for work they had 747 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,280 done. We're not even just talking 748 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,040 regular contracts that that some of those are guaranteed. 749 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,800 We're talking work they had already done. 750 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,120 They did not get all of their money. 751 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,240 So, and that's the guy who really owns AEW folks. 752 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,000 So for all of you out there, especially all of you out there 753 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,920 who are currently negotiating with that company, if your 754 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:34,120 contract is not insured by the Khan Family Trust to certain 755 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,440 people like Jim Ross, they made sure they did that. 756 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,680 If your contract is not insured by the Khan Family Trust, I 757 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,320 don't know how much that contract is really worth. 758 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,120 Because if this company doesn't get TV, there's no way in hell 759 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,800 Shad Khan is going to continue to allow this company to exist. 760 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,200 They're, they're just going to shut it down. 761 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,200 And that's, it's scary to say that because we don't want our 762 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,240 friends in the wrestling industry, especially over there, 763 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:02,280 to lose their jobs, lose their their way to support their 764 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,600 families. But you got to start thinking 765 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,280 about this. You got to start figuring out 766 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,080 what you're going to do. In fact, that entire roster, 767 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:16,960 they should band together on Wednesday before it goes on TV. 768 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,320 They should band together and force Tony Kahn to have a 769 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,400 conversation and give them some concessions. 770 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:27,360 What is going to happen if we don't have TB come January? 771 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,600 What are you going to do? How we know we're going to get 772 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,680 paid? Because if this is going out, 773 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,680 you know, if this is going down the drain here, then we need to 774 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,000 start making some moves. You know, nobody, nobody's ever 775 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,480 really thinking that. So, you know, it's one of those 776 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,160 things where they're not putting that in perspective unless you 777 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:49,840 hear about reports of the family, you know, bankrupting 778 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,360 businesses and then people not getting their money. 779 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,640 That's when people start thinking, OK, wait a minute, you 780 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,160 know, if this company goes under, am I going to get paid 781 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,280 still? That's something they got to put 782 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,040 in perspective. You know, when they're doing 783 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,040 these contracts, if the company goes because nobody ever thinks 784 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,240 that a wrestling company is going to go under, you know? 785 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:13,320 I mean, you know, and of course over the years it's been proven 786 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:20,680 AWAWAWA, you know, you know, WCW, of course, and all those 787 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,160 federations that vents bankrupt somewhat, you know. 788 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,360 You know, we should, you know, take in consideration, but 789 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,280 nobody's thinking that far. So I don't know, man. 790 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,320 It it's just one of it's a scary situation out there now 791 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,320 especially times are different. It's not what it used to be. 792 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,760 It's not what it used to be at all. 793 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,320 And, and, and we could be deceived by WWE success. 794 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,160 We could be deceived in the thinking that the entire 795 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,000 industry is this way, when in reality it's not. 796 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,560 And unless you're WWE or, or wow, women of wrestling, you 797 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,760 know, TNA is on the upswing now, but that's because of their 798 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,160 partnership with WWE. Unless you're one of those 799 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,560 companies, you're kind of living on the edge, so to speak. 800 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,640 So again, all you talents out there, just make sure you're 801 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,040 keeping track of your business and and you're paying attention 802 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,360 to what's going on because the worst thing that could happen is 803 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,400 that you you show up one day and find out, yeah, it's over. 804 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,720 You know, that's that's scary. That's scary stuff. 805 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,440 What's not scary is the fact that Devon Dudley is going to be 806 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,240 live and in color once again this upcoming weekend. 807 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,560 Where you going to be, Devon? I'm going to be in Cleveland, 808 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,040 OH. It's it's gonna be great to see 809 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,560 the fans in Cleveland, OH at Wrestle Con. 810 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,720 I'll be there from August 2nd to the third with Bubba. 811 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,080 I'll be there with Bubba and signing autographs and, you 812 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,640 know, having fun. So I'm gonna be at the Cleveland 813 00:47:54,640 --> 00:48:01,880 Marriott downtown at the Key Tower, 1360 W West Mall Drive in 814 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,960 Cleveland, OH. So I'll be there signing 815 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,480 autographs with Bubba and getting to know the great fans 816 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,840 of Cleveland, OH cause I've never been there to sign 817 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,880 autographs. We've wrestled there a million 818 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,600 times, but never been there to do autographs. 819 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,840 So that's going to be great. Can't wait. 820 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,720 You folks out there in Cleveland, you're going to get a 821 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:23,720 chance not only to see Devon, but also see Bubba. 822 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:27,200 The Dudley boys are in town, so make sure you show up this 823 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,880 weekend. Check these guys out, get your 824 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,320 photos, get your autographs. It'd be fantastic. 825 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,360 Bring the whole family, please. That's right, Devon, if anyone 826 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,680 out there listening wants to get in touch with you, what's the 827 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,560 best way they can do that? Alrighty, well, you know, I love 828 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,760 it because you know, I've said it before, I say it again, you 829 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:51,640 can go to Devon Academy, you know on Instagram as well as 830 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:57,360 Twitter. It's D hyphen VON Dudley or I'm 831 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,400 sorry, testified Devon, which the Devon is spelled DVON. 832 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,240 So be testified in DVON. You can find me on social media 833 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,960 a lot on Instagram. I post a lot of pictures and 834 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,880 things and what I'm doing trying to let the fans know that Devon 835 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,400 is still alive, kicking and going. 836 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,680 So, you know, you can contact me there or you can contact me on 837 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,840 Twitter, which I'm not really on as much. 838 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,440 But again, you can contact me on there. 839 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,880 It's Devon Dudley again. Testify Devon on Twitter and say 840 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,800 hello. Say hello to the Hall of Famer 841 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,880 himself. Devon Dudley, of course. 842 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,080 Folks, as always, we appreciate you. 843 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,360 Duke loves wrestling on Facebook, on Twitter, Duke loves 844 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,440 wrestling@gmail.com. Send in your questions, your 845 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,400 birthday shout outs, the whole 9 yards. 846 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,480 We'll slide it in on this show here. 847 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,520 And listen, we're not going to hold our tongue. 848 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,040 That's the main idea. I know some of you AE W fans out 849 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,040 there, you're a little upset because Devon is very direct and 850 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,480 clear in his opinion on things. But you got to remember 851 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,040 something. He's not speaking from a third 852 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,680 person standpoint. He has met Tony Kahn. 853 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,200 He has formed his own impression. 854 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,200 He has people in that company who he has relationships with. 855 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,680 Devon has been in the wrestling industry over 30 years. 856 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,120 This is an expert, this is a Hall of Famer. 857 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,280 So whether you like it or you don't like it, learn to love it, 858 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,920 as Rick Flair would say, because it's the best thing going. 859 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:32,960 It is what it is. I'm going. 860 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,920 To I'm going to say this, I'm not trying to bury AW. 861 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,240 You know, I'm not Jim Cornette. I love Jim Cornette, though. 862 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:45,200 I love him to death, but I'm not trying to bury AW or bury Tony 863 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,080 Khan. The fact of the matter is 864 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,440 there's too much crap that's going on. 865 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,200 It needs to be addressed. And if everybody's just going to 866 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,480 yes, him to death because of the money, then that's wrong. 867 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,560 I'm only going by facts, like again, about, you know, Swerve's 868 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,360 cousin. I'm not going by what I'm 869 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,080 thinking. I'm going by what people are 870 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,520 telling me about him. I don't know the man personally 871 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,480 and don't really care to know him personally, but I'm only 872 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,720 going by what every single person that I have interacted 873 00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:18,640 with in that company. When I was there at the meetings 874 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,560 I was having with Tony or when I was on the Jericho Cruise with a 875 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,800 lot of the AEW stars that were on there that was telling me 876 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,720 about him. So again, I don't know him 877 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:29,240 personally. I'm just going by what people 878 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,600 say. That doesn't form my opinion on 879 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,640 him because I don't I don't really talk to him or speak to 880 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,160 him. I have any words for him. 881 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,400 As far as Tony Kahn goes, I just think the nonsense needs to 882 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,480 stop. Worry about your company as 883 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,000 opposed to WWE and maybe you'll get somewhere. 884 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,920 Stop hiring these bozos that don't know nothing about pro 885 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,400 wrestling higher my higher wrestling minds that can show 886 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,640 you how this works. And I'm not talking about me. 887 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,120 I'm talking about other wrestling minds that can give 888 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,960 you the knowledge that you need to get your company where it 889 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:02,760 needs to be. Take it away, Tony Shivani. 890 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,520 Mr. Tony Shivani and we're desperately out of time on Duke 891 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,320 Love Wrestling.