1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,080 Aaron and Danny, to lifelong best friends, take turns picking 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,040 topics. Then they see where it ends. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,480 So wild. It's weird and sometimes 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,520 specific. Whatever it is, you know it will 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,720 be terrific. It's hyperfixation time. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,920 Hi everyone. Welcome back to Hyperfixation 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,160 Time. I'm Aaron. 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,240 And I'm Danny. And it's Danny's week this week. 9 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:29,360 So just to recap our podcast, basically every week Danny and I 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,080 switch topics. The other person doesn't know 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:32,840 what it's going to be. And it's just something that 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,640 we're interested in, you know, hyper fixated on And it could be 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,440 anything, literally anything. Go back and look at some of our 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,320 episodes. They are all over the place, but 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,960 just fun to sort of go down those rabbit holes together and 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,480 learn, learn about the different things that we're interested in. 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,920 Well, Danny, what is your microfixation of the week? 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,440 OK, so I found a podcast that is not I don't it's definitely not 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,960 new, but it's new to me and it's called was I in a cult? 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,720 And I think you would like it. And so I've been kind of dying 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,320 to tell you about it because I've been like binging listening 22 00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:14,480 to it. And yeah, it's basically these 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,760 two people that they both were in like different cults at some 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,440 point in their lives themselves. And then they obviously are no 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,480 longer in them. And they're just kind of like 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,560 exposing cults and and letting people kind of know, like, what 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,600 to look for, you know, like, what's some red flags? 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,640 Yeah, warning signs. And so they interview just a lot 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,080 of different people to get their life experiences and hear their 30 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,320 stories. And it's just so interesting. 31 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,840 And, you know, a lot of times it's really sad because people 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,280 have experienced some really sad things revolving their 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,920 experiences with cults. But it's just, it's very 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,720 interesting. And it's it's always fun finding 35 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,480 a podcast that you enjoy that has a giant backlog. 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,560 So. Yeah. 37 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,280 Nice, yes that sounds right up my alley. 38 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,480 Honestly, it's on. It's on my list of topics. 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,639 There's a couple of cult things. That. 40 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,160 I could talk about so each sorry, I might have missed it 41 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,760 when I was writing it down, but each time, each episode it's a 42 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,920 different person that they talk to from a different cult. 43 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:20,160 Or is it is it just those two talking about their experience? 44 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,240 So they interview somebody else that's experienced life in a 45 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,320 cult and basically gain their perspective on their cult, and 46 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,720 they get to tell their story. And it's, yeah, very 47 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,280 interesting. I love that God cults are so 48 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,240 fascinating. I know they are. 49 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,680 There's so many and just like so many variations, but then 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,400 there's like those common threads or like themes between 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,440 them, I feel. Yeah, sometimes too. 52 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,800 So. So I think it's good, you know, 53 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,360 they're getting this info out there too, so that people 54 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,920 hopefully can kind of recognize the signs. 55 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,040 Yeah, absolutely. So for me, rearranging, you 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,880 could just like randomly rearrange things like whether 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,480 it's your desk, yeah, like your dresser top or like, I don't 58 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,080 know, that kind of stuff. It just switches things up. 59 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,560 Yeah. I like it. 60 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:14,960 So we rearranged our living room and I'm also kind of rearranging 61 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,080 the other living rooms. We've got like 2 separate like 62 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,040 living areas and we're just kind of moving things around in those 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,560 spots. But like, I rearranged my desk 64 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,440 because I got this from my. Friend. 65 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,600 Boris And so like I wanted that on my desk and you know the. 66 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,840 Picture. It's like an illustration of her 67 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,000 cat. Yeah. 68 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,080 You're always good at being like. 69 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,600 Explain not a. Video, only a video, but you 70 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,920 know, just it's nice to kind of switch things up especially. 71 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,000 Like. You've been in a place for a 72 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,640 while, you know. Yeah, totally. 73 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,240 It feels refreshing, like you're almost in a new space, so that's 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,480 cool. Yeah, something different. 75 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,440 Well, in terms of main topic, I did not give you any clues 76 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,560 because I didn't know what it was going to be. 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,480 But do you have any guesses that you just feel like throwing out 78 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,000 there? I have AI, don't know. 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,360 We did some of like the astrology stuff already. 80 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,120 OK. Is it food? 81 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Is it? Yeah. 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:29,560 No, no, I didn't. It's has to do with language and 83 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,240 I think you're really going to enjoy it. 84 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,280 OK. All right, right. 85 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:38,280 I'm looking forward to it. Let me just pull up so I know I. 86 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,480 Was just going to say I have a feeling that there's somebody 87 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,960 maybe joining us. Why would you think that? 88 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,040 I just have this. Feeling. 89 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,080 I don't know a language though. Who do I? 90 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,040 Who do we know that? Trying to think. 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,120 Hello, it's Amy. Yay. 92 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,480 So I told Aaron that our topic today has to do with language, 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,600 and that is all she knows. Okay. 94 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,880 Welcome. Yes, welcome. 95 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,520 Thank you. Okay, so first before I get 96 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,840 started, I wanted to talk about two podcasts that you guys have 97 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:27,400 done already, so like one of each of you that I really 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,720 enjoyed. I love that. 99 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,480 OK. So, right, so Aaron, I I loved 100 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,200 the one that you did about like the punk rock scene of like the 101 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,120 2000s. I loved that so much. 102 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Yeah, I'm sorry, Pink. Like, I think like part of part 103 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,680 of what I loved about it, Like, I know we've known each other, 104 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,640 like, through that whole phase, Right. 105 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,480 Yeah. And so I feel like I remember 106 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,080 all of the clothing items that each of you brought. 107 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,400 Up I. Can't literally remember your 108 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,600 star shoes, Erin? Yeah. 109 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,120 I feel like Amy and and Jenny remember my star Phase I had 110 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,280 like. So funny and and your obsession 111 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:16,280 with Paramore. Yes, Yep, still strong. 112 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:18,640 Maybe not as strong to this day, but still pretty strong. 113 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,600 So we went to the concert at Summerfest, remember? 114 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,000 That yeah, we did. It's. 115 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,360 Like my first concert. Fun. 116 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,000 One of my first, Yeah, for sure. That was like my love for. 117 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,280 That's where like my love for Summerfest, if you like, took 118 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:34,840 off for sure. And that was one of our first, 119 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,880 like our parents let us go. Did any parents like come with 120 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,320 us or was it just I? Don't know. 121 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:42,960 I don't think so. I think it was. 122 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,400 Just we were pretty independent high schoolers, I feel for a lot 123 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,720 of things like that. And so if listeners haven't 124 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,360 gathered yet, Amy is one of our friends from high school as 125 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,480 well. So. 126 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,920 Yeah, we've all known each other for a very long time. 127 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,320 Yep. Yeah, so I loved going down 128 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:02,720 memory lane. Yeah. 129 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,320 And then Danny, one of the the ones that I liked that you did 130 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,480 was the romanticizing your life one. 131 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,760 Fun. Thank you. 132 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,520 We love hearing this feedback. Yeah. 133 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,760 Think about that. A lot like, how can I? 134 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,520 I still think about that every day. 135 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,560 It's like, you know? One thing that I did, I don't 136 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,600 like this is so random but I like to romanticize my life. 137 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,960 I bought a lamb that can go in my shower. 138 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,440 That's a great example, love it. Yeah, no, it's really great. 139 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,360 So like at the end of the day when I'm taking a shower, even 140 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,960 in the morning if I'm showering and my husband's still sleeping, 141 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,200 I can just turn on my lamp and just take a chill, relaxing 142 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,640 shower. So is it just kind of like, is 143 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,280 it like a colorful lamp or is it just kind of like a cozier 144 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,920 light? Just like a cozier, like a yeah, 145 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,240 like a soft kind of light and yeah, you just like click on a 146 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,800 little button and it turns on and then you can like recharge 147 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,280 it so. That's wonderful. 148 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,800 Solid. I love the callbacks to the 149 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,760 episodes. So yeah, if anybody's, you know, 150 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,240 listening and they haven't heard what Amy's talking about, those 151 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,440 are two great episodes to go back and listen to for sure 152 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,120 those. 2 are doing pretty well too. 153 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,720 So nice, yes? OK. 154 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,400 All right. So today, Are you ready? 155 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Yes, OK. So I'm gonna talk about American 156 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,320 Sign Language. I'm so excited. 157 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,919 I think you'd like that one. OK, I love it. 158 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:39,840 I love it. OK, very excited. 159 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,159 So tell me. Tell me why you're excited about 160 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:45,560 it. Two reasons. 161 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:51,880 One for a long time I really wanted to teach Trimates how to 162 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,720 sign. I didn't know that. 163 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,720 Yeah, and I actually took an ASL class in college, but it was 164 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,880 college, so I just didn't retain anything. 165 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,280 Like it was just this was like my least worried about class. 166 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,240 So I didn't, I didn't take a lot with me, but it's always been a 167 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,280 goal of mine to keep learning. And then my friend Olivia, her 168 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:20,240 wife Grace has a sister Tess, or she goes by CR sometimes too, 169 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,320 who is deaf and has Down syndrome. 170 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,840 And so she only communicates via ASL. 171 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,880 So when I go and I see her, I met her a couple times. 172 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,200 And when I hang out with them, I try to like beforehand prep a 173 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,920 little bit so I can talk with her just even a little bit, you 174 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,680 know, to say hi and whatnot. And yeah, it's, I think, cool. 175 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,880 We need to know like the basics at least, like all of us do. 176 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Yeah, well, that's interesting. You'll probably know, you might 177 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,840 know a lot of this then, because like I, I learned a lot to and 178 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,320 like one, one thing I wanted to say in the beginning is like, I 179 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:58,000 am not an expert. Like I've never taken a class in 180 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,880 sign language. I don't speak it or know anybody 181 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,240 that like uses it for their primary language. 182 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,280 So kind of like Aaron, you brought your sister on for POTS, 183 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,680 which was also a cool episode, but and she was like, well, I 184 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:15,720 see a lot of, you know, I'm a nurse and I see a lot of people 185 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,160 with this, like that is not this. 186 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,600 This is just like really out of like curiosity and some interest 187 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,680 in the language and, you know, just different ways that people 188 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:29,120 communicate. I love it, I think. 189 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,000 I think that's a, I was just going to say, I think that that 190 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,800 is a really good way to go about this because that's essentially 191 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,360 how aired and I have treated this platform as like, we're 192 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,000 just curious about something and so let's learn about it and talk 193 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,760 about it as friends. So I love it. 194 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,240 Yeah, and it's also like, I'm not trying to teach anybody 195 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,520 about deafness or like being deaf. 196 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,600 I mean, I'm not trying to like be part of a group that I'm not 197 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,880 part of, but I've just. So I'll be focusing more on like 198 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,760 the ASL specifically, but it is kind of intertwined with deaf 199 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:08,440 culture and just kind of some different things around that. 200 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,200 So they'll come up later and we can chat about it. 201 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:17,880 But OK I got interested in this topic because I work in a school 202 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:23,320 district and a lot of the people are the students that I work 203 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,120 with. Like some of them have hearing 204 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:33,120 impairments or are considered to be deaf but others just use like 205 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,560 maybe aren't verbal speakers or verbal English speakers. 206 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:41,680 So they would use like a sign or two just to like communicate a 207 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:47,280 topic like more is a really popular one or like help. 208 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,400 So I've like picked up like certain signs here and there 209 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,280 just from working with students in the schools. 210 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,480 And then another reason that I wanted to do like, have you guys 211 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,200 ever seen the movie Coda? No. 212 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,880 Wait, it's so good. Couple years ago, right? 213 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,880 Children of death adults, right? Yeah, yeah. 214 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,400 So I think it's on. I think it's on Apple TV. 215 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,680 But anyway, I've watched it a couple times and it's like one 216 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:21,800 of my favorite movies. And yeah, so KOTA, that is an 217 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,680 acronym that stands for a child's child or children of 218 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:27,680 deaf Adults. OK, This is a fiction movie, but 219 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:32,400 there are three of the main actors in it are deaf and you 220 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,720 sign language. So I thought that was cool. 221 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,960 And just like the way that they express themselves and this is 222 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,440 like the way that the language flows kind of. 223 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,280 It's just interesting to me. And then the the last thing I 224 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,120 wanted to mention is that there was, I don't know if you guys 225 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,560 saw this, but an Olympian, Ilana Myers Taylor. 226 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,600 She was, I think part of the bobsled team and she's like a 227 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,440 really decorated Olympian. But anyway, it's like she got a 228 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,680 lot of media attention because she has two sons. 229 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,760 One of them is has Down syndrome and also is deaf and her other 230 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,480 son is deaf and she learned sign language so she can communicate 231 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,440 with her kids. So it's awesome. 232 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,960 That was kind of like a recent thing that just came up as I was 233 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,480 researching this. So yeah, I would mention that. 234 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,680 So. I know some people regardless 235 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,400 like will teach their kids like more or like. 236 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,720 That's what I was going to say as well. 237 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,080 Or like, you know, thank you. Or things like just those kind 238 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,640 of little things to wait. Is it? 239 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:31,800 What is that more? Yeah. 240 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,240 Yeah, yeah. One more OK, anyway, did you 241 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,760 guys with either either of your children or children's, did you 242 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,800 teach them any of that? Basically just those ones that 243 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:44,840 you just did there. Yeah. 244 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,320 And I think milk is like this like. 245 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,600 Yeah, this and then all done is this. 246 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,960 So we we just keep like doing the motions. 247 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,680 And if you're just listening, I don't know, go watch the YouTube 248 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:57,440 video. And I can't describe all these. 249 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,160 You know, but my son who's 18 months, he's like starting to 250 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,600 talk more with his word like his verbal speech, but he he does 251 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,960 please, which is like rubbing your. 252 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,040 Chest it is please, so polite too. 253 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,480 And yeah, like baby sign is kind of separate from sign language, 254 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,560 but obviously like it uses the same elements. 255 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,720 So. So I'll start with a little bit 256 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,480 of history. So American Sign Language 257 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:36,080 specifically originated around 1817, which is fairly recently. 258 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,280 I feel like in terms of languages, obviously people who 259 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,560 are deaf or like communicating with deaf people have made their 260 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,680 own sign languages probably within their communities and 261 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,320 families forever. But American Sign Language 262 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:56,560 specifically was around 1817. And it was, it was formed as a 263 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,480 language because this guy, his name was Thomas Hopkins 264 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,840 Gallaudet. He was an American and he had 265 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,000 this neighbor named Alice Cogswell. 266 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,280 And she was deaf. And he like kind of picked up on 267 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,440 the fact that she was really intelligent, but like couldn't, 268 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,240 he couldn't communicate with her. 269 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,480 So he wanted to teach her how to like read and write. 270 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,160 So this Thomas Gallaudet, he was a teacher. 271 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,920 He went over to Europe and kind of learned from a bunch of 272 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,920 people and he brought this guy Lawrence clerk back with him. 273 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,080 He was a French deaf educator and they, they made this 274 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,400 language American Sign Language and they also formed a school, 275 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,240 the School for the Deaf, which still exists today in Hartford, 276 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,640 CT. So at that time, like a lot of 277 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,720 deaf children were coming to that school, and then in order 278 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,960 to communicate with them, they had to like, form a common 279 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,320 language, which became American Sign Language. 280 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,760 So it's really cool that he like wanted to do that for his 281 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,880 neighbor. Like it wasn't even, you know, 282 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,600 like his kid that like somebody that he has to communicate. 283 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,760 He went out of his way to make that happen. 284 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,480 That's really cool. Yeah. 285 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,440 So American Sign Language, interestingly, is similar to 286 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,080 like a French Sign Language because that guy Laurent Clerk 287 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,240 that he brought along with him over the ocean to help help him 288 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,000 form this school. And then later on, Thomas's son 289 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,040 founded Gallaudet University, which is the first college for 290 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,400 the deaf, which is in DC, Washington, DC. 291 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,960 OK, that's. Really interesting. 292 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:41,280 And so now there are more than 80 schools in the United States 293 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,160 specifically for, like, deaf individuals. 294 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,600 And ASL is pretty much how they would, like, communicate with 295 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,560 each other and teach classes and stuff. 296 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,360 And one of them is in Della Vandarian. 297 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,600 Did You Know? That yeah, that's where few days 298 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,800 from and so. I thought that's the big. 299 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,080 Thing about it being like yeah, an area that a lot of people 300 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,440 would move to to specifically go if their child or somebody had, 301 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,160 you know, was deaf, they could be immersed in that, you know, 302 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,720 others around them like just being able to communicate with 303 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,240 them in ASL so. So are these schools? 304 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,960 These aren't like colleges, These are like primary schools, 305 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,599 you said. So yeah, like I think the one, 306 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:28,040 the one in Wisconsin is yeah, like a primary school. 307 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,440 I don't know what age is probably like K12 and then 308 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,200 university is like a college. Yeah, for deaf. 309 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,400 So other notable dates in 1960, the first ASL dictionary was 310 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:48,200 written by William Stokoe and that kind of established ASL, if 311 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,960 it wasn't already as like a bonafide language separate from 312 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,240 English. So really like it's, it's you 313 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,080 kind of have to think of like sign language is totally 314 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,840 separate from English per SE, right? 315 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,440 Like it's, it's hard to, you know, because we're always like 316 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,520 trying to translate things from English, which is our first 317 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,880 language to like something else. But like ASL is not necessarily 318 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:17,680 like made like it's not word for word English, if that makes 319 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,680 sense. Because it like, sorry, no, I 320 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,560 was going to say it has to skip out a lot of words like the in 321 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,560 between words, right? Yeah. 322 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,120 And so like the format of a sentence has to be quite 323 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:30,960 different I'm assuming. Right, exactly. 324 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,280 So it has its own grammar and its own like phonology. 325 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,840 So it's only combinations of sounds or I guess it would be 326 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,560 like combination of hand signals or hand motion making a word. 327 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,800 It has its own syntax, which is the arrangement of words to make 328 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,600 a sentence. Like you were saying Danny, like 329 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,600 maybe you you would not use articles necessarily to like say 330 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,080 a sentence. And it has its own morphology, 331 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,160 so like the combination of prefixes and suffixes to make 332 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,480 meanings and then semantic, so the meaning of words and 333 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,680 phrases. So like sprinkling versus 334 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,200 raining, or like orange the color versus orange the fruit, 335 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:15,920 right? Like in English that's the same 336 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,440 word, but in sign language those would be like 2 totally 337 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,360 different signs. Would you be able to, I don't 338 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:24,560 know if this is possible, but would you be able to like give 339 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,960 an example of a sentence as it would sound? 340 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,240 Does that make sense what I'm saying? 341 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,520 Like the words, Do you get what I'm saying? 342 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,640 I think so. Let me think I might get to that 343 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,800 later actually, because we I will go into the more of like 344 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,520 the how you would sign certain things or how you would, yeah. 345 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,880 Like OK, say, so you can talk about it then. 346 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,640 Yeah. A couple more things that I 347 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,480 wanted to just mention about like the the history of the 348 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,360 language. And this kind of does go into 349 00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:03,480 like deafness and disability. Well, in 1975 IDEA was passed 350 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,880 and this is a national law. So this is like basically saying 351 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,320 that every child has the right to a free and public education. 352 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,640 So every child has like the right to learn, however they 353 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,280 would learn best. So that kind of like goes into 354 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:23,640 if a child is deaf and they enter a school system, we need 355 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,520 to accommodate them. Right. 356 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,960 So maybe they need like an interpreter or maybe they 357 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,560 require like closed captioning on any, any audio or any like, 358 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,920 you know, visual that they're like looking at with sound. 359 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,360 They would need closed captioning with words and like a 360 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:47,640 team dedicated to serving that student would have to like do an 361 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,480 evaluation and determine what any kid would need in that case. 362 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,440 And I think like, so if they would maybe determine and the 363 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,000 parents would decide like, oh, well, I think they would do 364 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,880 better in the school for the deaf, like that one in Delavan. 365 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:06,120 Then the public school would have to figure out how to get 366 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:09,040 them there and pay for it if there's like a tuition and 367 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,120 stuff. So just kind of an interesting 368 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:13,720 thing. And then in 1990, the Americans 369 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,240 with Disabilities Act was passed. 370 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,720 Also a national law, if any, if there's anything government 371 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,960 related, ASL interpreters are required for that. 372 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,880 And where do you think that there are like the most ASL 373 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,480 interpreters located like? I would just assume the biggest 374 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,000 cities like New York or Lai was gonna. 375 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,680 Say we're like DC with the government stuff like there. 376 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,440 Has to be. Interpretation there. 377 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,760 You got it, Erin. So DC has a lot of ASL 378 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,920 interpreters and users. It was like in the whole like 379 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,880 court system. ASL was the third most requested 380 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,160 language in like the national courts. 381 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,080 So oh wow. Interesting. 382 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:04,440 And so that leads me to wonder, is like ASL the most used sign 383 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,040 language then? Because I'm assuming it's people 384 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,040 from other countries that are also requesting ASL 385 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,000 interpreters. That's a good question. 386 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,120 I don't know if it's necessarily the most used, widely used sign 387 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:18,200 language. There's hundreds. 388 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,720 I think there's like, I don't know, hundreds of sign 389 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,040 languages, probably more than that if you count just like 390 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,280 small communities. But I feel like probably in 391 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,360 America at least, and there's a couple different ones or like 392 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,680 different sign languages people use in the United States. 393 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:43,240 But ASL is pretty much regarded as like the like top one that 394 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,640 people would use. And obviously if we, you know, 395 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,480 teach it, there's classes. I think too if you had a child 396 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,120 that was deaf the state would have to pay for or they could 397 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,160 you could get the state to pay for like classes if you want to 398 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,840 told her ASL. OK, as a parent like to learn. 399 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,640 As a parent and like as your child is learning language, like 400 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,400 somebody needs to teach them to yeah. 401 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,760 So they would have like deaf and hard of hearing teachers that 402 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,200 would teach them sign language. So it's interesting. 403 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,680 And then I feel like there's been throughout the years, the 404 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,080 research or the experts, the doctors, whoever seen these kids 405 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,320 have been like hot and cold on learning ASL. 406 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:33,800 Because I've read some stuff that was like the doctors told 407 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,760 me not to teach my kid ASL because they should learn how to 408 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,360 use spoken English or there was some idea. 409 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,560 Controversy there, right? Like. 410 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,160 There's a little controversy there, I think. 411 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,680 Yeah, because I think, and this kind of goes into the deaf 412 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,880 community and like that culture is they don't necessarily like 413 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,560 there's a camp of maybe deaf people that don't think that 414 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,160 they would need to learn spoken language because they have this 415 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,240 language that they can use. Why do they have to be the one 416 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,920 to learn like whole separate English language just to 417 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:16,200 communicate with people? So that kind of, there's a lot. 418 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,320 There's a lot there, I think, which is interesting. 419 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,640 And it kind of goes into a bigger conversation of like, 420 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,080 yeah, ableism and stuff like that. 421 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,560 But yeah, for sure. So let's get into a little bit 422 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,920 of how it works. So like we kind of talked about 423 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,960 before, instead of using words per SE or using concepts and 424 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,600 speakers, use facial expressions, gestures, space 425 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,960 around them, head movements and body language to communicate a 426 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:52,080 concept. So one thing would be like if 427 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,400 you, and this is actually an interesting one, like dog, you 428 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,240 would tap your leg. Like come here. 429 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,920 Like dog. If you were saying puppy, you 430 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,840 would tap your leg and then place your hands close together 431 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,440 to indicate like small, like dog puppy, right? 432 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,920 So you're kind of like illustrating concepts. 433 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,360 Monkey would be bending your arms up to scratch your armpits, 434 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,960 whereas like gorilla or like a large ape, you would do this, 435 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,400 beat your chest. I see. 436 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,240 I feel like if somebody did that like you could, you would be 437 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,360 able to like know what they're talking about. 438 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,840 A little bit. Make a guess for sure at least. 439 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,560 Yes, right, you get the gist of it. 440 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,720 Yes, yeah, exactly. Or another example would be like 441 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,280 a deer, you kind of like hold your hands up like they're 442 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,800 handlers. Cute. 443 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,440 But like, if you were assigning elk or moose, you would make 444 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,400 your hands come out. Yeah. 445 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,240 And to indicate, like, bigger antlers or like, bigger deer 446 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,560 kind of thing. So you're using all the space 447 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,160 around you to indicate a word. And then there's also a finger 448 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,720 spelling. Do you guys remember learning 449 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,320 the sign language alphabet? It's actually funny because in 450 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,040 4th grade, Aaron and I learned the alphabet in sign language 451 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,160 and then instead of like passing notes, we would sign to each 452 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,800 other messages across the classroom and to find on this we 453 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,280 we did. That was the thing that happened 454 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,240 and I. Believe you, it sounds like us. 455 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,120 So. OK, when I first got interested 456 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,760 in this topic, like I kind of like just went on Spotify and 457 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,320 I'm like, oh, is there any like podcasts about this? 458 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,200 And there is one from Stuff You should know. 459 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,920 Oh, I like that you guys. Know that and one of the hosts 460 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,680 literally said that exact thing. Like do you remember really in 461 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,360 middle school? But all the girls would learn 462 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,200 sign language and sign to each other. 463 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,200 That's why you said that. Yeah, it is smart. 464 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,200 So people do use finger spelling to sign out like specific names 465 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,120 or specific words. Maybe instead of doing like the 466 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,680 antler thing for elk I could just like finger spell eat LK 467 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,200 right? Yeah. 468 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,240 And I feel like that makes sense too, if you're trying to say 469 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,600 something really specific, because I was kind of wondering 470 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:08,960 about that. Like especially when you're 471 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,840 talking about different animals, it's like, obviously maybe 472 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,400 there's a specific breed of an animal that you're trying to 473 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,120 convey. Like how would you convey that 474 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,160 versus a? You know what I mean? 475 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,680 So I think they did use finger spelling like quite a bit. 476 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,680 And then like people can probably do it super quick that 477 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,480 are good at it and then they call the person that's listening 478 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,560 the receiver. So I suppose you would like 479 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,840 recognize them really fast if like you're used to seeing 480 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,800 people spelling out different letters. 481 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,960 So yeah, so kind of along the lines of finger spelling, 482 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,560 there's also this thing called indexing. 483 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,680 So like if I was telling a story about Aaron, say, I would finger 484 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,440 spell out her name and then I would point to the space next to 485 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,920 me. Like if I was telling a story 486 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,360 about Aaron and she wasn't here, I would finger spell Aaron and 487 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:04,680 then point to the space next to me. 488 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,680 So then when I'm referring to her during a story, I could just 489 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,560 like point there. You're spelling your name all 490 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,120 the time. That's way cool. 491 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,880 That's interesting, yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that. 492 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,280 That makes sense though. Yeah. 493 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,320 Like, yeah, I don't know. Makes it quicker too, so. 494 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,000 Yeah. Are there, are there examples of 495 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,000 like like how they would do that like index like would you if you 496 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,240 wanted to index a bunch of words is what I'm trying to say. 497 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,480 Would you .1 way and then the next way so that we can remember 498 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,880 could, I don't know. Or if you're talking about 499 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,800 several different people, I think there's something that you 500 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,280 could mimic a conversation that you like heard with somebody and 501 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,120 you would be like, oh, Erin, Erin, like point next to me. 502 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,720 This is Erin. And I'm like talking to her. 503 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,440 Or this is like when I turn towards that space where she 504 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,800 theoretically is and start talking to indicate, oh, I had a 505 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,920 conversation with her or like I heard a conversation she was 506 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,560 having or something like that. So. 507 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,160 Yeah, yeah. Using like context clues to put 508 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,440 it together. Yeah, OK. 509 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,200 It's really interesting. Yeah. 510 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,040 Another thing, and I don't know if you've watched people 511 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,840 signing, but they use like their facial expressions and the speed 512 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,760 of their hands maybe to indicate something. 513 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,080 So if I were saying running slowly versus running quickly, I 514 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,520 think I just looked this up. The sign for run is you kind of 515 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,080 like hook an index finger on a thumb and then you go like 516 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,240 running so. Interesting. 517 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,040 OK. Flex your finger. 518 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,880 But if I was running fast, I'd be like, I'm in a hurry, I'm 519 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,040 running fast. Versus. 520 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,920 So. I see. 521 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,240 So you kind of use your face to indicate, oh, I'm, I was like 522 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,440 really in a rush and I was stressed out and I was, you 523 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,960 know, you could like think about how your face would look like 524 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,920 for that versus just taking a leisurely jog through the perk 525 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,080 or something. I have an example or something 526 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,880 that I experienced similar to that in that the Barbie movie 527 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,120 was actually one of the 1st movies that had an option to 528 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680 have an ASL interpreter on the screen. 529 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,240 Because most of the time you'd think like, oh, you know, just 530 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,200 captions, you know, they had an ASL interpreter on the screen. 531 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,200 And so that person could like, the music was big in Barbie in 532 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,440 the Barbie movie, right? So they were signing the the 533 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,760 music along to the beat of the song so people could know, you 534 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,760 know, there's just those things that you don't think about that 535 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,080 like you said, like just using your face and using like, you 536 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,480 know, your expressions. I think it's not just reading 537 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,280 captions. There's so much more that goes 538 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,120 into it, you know, right. I just thought that that was 539 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,760 interesting that. Is cool. 540 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,040 I wish there were that was an option like all the time. 541 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,760 That would be really cool, yeah. I agree. 542 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,280 One other thing, if you sign something close to your body, 543 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,560 you might be talking about an event that happened recently or 544 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,240 will happen soon versus signing more away from your body would 545 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,280 be more like, oh, it's happening a long time from now or it 546 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,480 happened a long time ago. That's so interesting. 547 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,760 Yeah. I never knew that. 548 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,840 This is a lot more complex than I thought, but like it's like 549 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,440 complex but in a way that makes sense. 550 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,880 Yes. At the same time, it's super 551 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,880 interesting. Yeah, it is. 552 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,760 I feel like pretty intuitive. So I'm, I'm interested for I 553 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,560 didn't go into this much, but for like a deaf child, how 554 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,200 quickly they could pick it up versus like a, an English 555 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,760 language. I wonder. 556 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,880 And so I think we kind of talked about this before, but going 557 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,400 back to the controversy of doctors or whoever, experts 558 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,440 saying that maybe kids shouldn't learn sign language. 559 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,560 Part of the reasoning was that it's really hard for it 560 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,840 theoretically could be hard for people to learn how to read 561 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,840 English when they're speaking something that's like not 562 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,680 English, right. So if. 563 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,240 You would like delay their speaking? 564 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,640 Maybe I don't. I think like best practice now 565 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,080 is is like, yeah, teach them sign language. 566 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,360 Also teach them English. You know, more language is 567 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:21,080 better, but at one point it was kind of frowned upon to learn 568 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,200 ASL because they thought that these kids then wouldn't learn 569 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,960 or would be delayed in learning how to read. 570 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,320 And obviously learning how to read is a huge deal if you can't 571 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,760 hear and you're like, you know, reading stuff. 572 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,120 So I see learn things because it's not like those two things 573 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,080 aren't like a 1 to 1. So they prioritize reading 574 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,800 physical words over signing basically. 575 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,640 That's what. Some. 576 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,280 Some did, I guess. I think just with the advance of 577 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,200 certain technologies like Oakley or implants or ways to amplify 578 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,640 or like try to get some sort of hearing is also part of why 579 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,840 people kind of shield away from ASL at at one point or a certain 580 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,920 group may have, but. I. 581 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,600 Don't know, this is just interesting, like social topics. 582 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,760 Yeah, totally. Yeah. 583 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,760 Another thing I thought was interesting was that male 584 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,880 gendered pronouns would be signed at the head. 585 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,880 So if you would put your thumb up to your forehead to say, 586 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,280 like, dad, and your thumb down by your chin to say, mom, 587 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:37,480 thanks, Miss Rachel. But the reason is, like at the 588 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,840 time that this was developed, men would wear hats, like top 589 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,080 hats, sign it up here, whereas women would wear bonnet. 590 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,680 So you would sign up down by the chin because it would tie the 591 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,920 chin. To like, a lot less sexist than 592 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,600 I thought. That's the reasoning. 593 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,640 I immediately. I was like. 594 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,600 Oh, like men are about women? Yes. 595 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,040 Yeah, either that or it's like men are smart and women just 596 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,280 talk or something like that, is what I was thinking. 597 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,680 I had this day because I know boy and like boy is like this. 598 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,120 I can't remember what girl is but boy is like a hat like 599 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,159 almost like a baseball cap if. You think on the brim? 600 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,560 So kind of like a long fat line to kind of like a more modern 601 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:24,400 way you could do cheek to say to be more gender inclusive. 602 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,360 Oh, I like that OK. Like any language, sign language 603 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,560 is evolving all the time. And there's this really 604 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,080 interesting New York Times article that talked about how 605 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,040 signs are evolving with the times. 606 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,040 So there's people that will sign like the cheek thing, instead of 607 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,920 saying saying man or woman, they'll just sign by the cheek 608 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,400 and diploma. Not necessarily either man or 609 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,280 woman. Another example of that would be 610 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,639 like when ASL was first developed, the phones were two 611 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,320 pieces. So like phone sign would be a 612 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,200 hand by your ear and a hand by your mouth because you'd have to 613 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,440 use two hands to talk. And then it evolved to the like 614 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,200 what we know it as probably as like a hand or a thumb by your 615 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:12,160 ear and the pinky by your mouth. But then it's now more like 616 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,560 holding like a smartphone. Yeah. 617 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,440 That's crazy. So I've. 618 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,800 Seen that kids naturally started doing that because, like, yeah, 619 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,800 if we were playing as kids and you were pretending to call 620 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,200 somebody, that's how you do it, like with your pinky and your 621 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,120 thumb out. But I've heard that kids, yeah. 622 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,080 Now it's more of just like a straight hand. 623 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,400 Yeah. So it's interesting. 624 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,720 Yeah, that was a cool article because they, it's called, I 625 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,560 have it pulled up. It's called How a Visual 626 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,960 Language Evolves as Our World Does. 627 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,480 It's a New York Times article and they show, they embed people 628 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,320 doing the sign throughout the article. 629 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,640 So I'll send that to you guys. And it's just a cool, 630 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,600 interesting one. That's really. 631 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,920 Cool. Yeah, a couple etiquette things. 632 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,640 As with speaking English, you would wait for the person to be 633 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,960 done speaking or signing until it's your turn to talk. 634 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,160 And if they look away from you so the one doing the signs and 635 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,440 you look away, it means that you're still thinking and you're 636 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,240 going to be signing. And once you're like thoughts 637 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,680 come to you. So I would assume if you stop 638 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,040 signing and look at the person then it's their turn to. 639 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,640 I gotcha. I feel like when you're saying 640 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,640 this stuff, like I'm starting to think back and notice some of 641 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,960 those things that I didn't realize were actually on 642 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,560 purpose. I guess I feel like I remember 643 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,640 the look away thing in a couple of videos that I've seen and 644 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,240 things like that, but I didn't realize that that meant I'm 645 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,600 thinking so. And again, it like, might be 646 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,600 different for different people, but yeah, that's kind of like 647 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,360 the the gist of the etiquette. Yeah. 648 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,920 So another couple like fun backs. 649 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,560 Do you guys know what Martha's Vineyard is? 650 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,840 I can like picture it. It's like. 651 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,720 DC It's like Martha Washington's maybe I'm making. 652 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,680 I'm like picturing some brand for some reason. 653 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,040 Oh, like vines? Probably. 654 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,120 Maybe. OK, so maybe I'm not thinking of 655 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,920 the right thing either. Martha's Vineyard is this little 656 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,400 islands got on the East Coast, like kind of off the coast of 657 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,600 like Massachusetts. OK. 658 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,320 I think now it's kind of a the ritzy kind of place that there's 659 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,440 people go and have homes on or whatever. 660 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:39,880 But long ago people came there from Europe, I guess probably 661 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,400 England and settled there. And one of the people that came 662 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,960 there was deaf and he had all these kids that were deaf. 663 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,960 So like this population really boomed on the small little 664 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,400 islands in the 1718, hundreds of deaf people and they they kind 665 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,120 of formulated their own sign language Cool. 666 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,880 That existed for a long time until the 50s when the last user 667 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,280 died and then it was considered a dead language. 668 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,560 But I think some of those signs also like kind of carried over 669 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,560 into ASL. OK, just. 670 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,600 Kind of interesting, like we talked a little bit already 671 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,000 about like our kind of a lot about the controversy over 672 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000 learning ASL versus spoken language. 673 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,320 I saw different statistics, but one of them I feel like between 674 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,440 8 to 23% of families with deaf children regularly use sign 675 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,840 language. I saw somewhere 8% of parents 676 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,680 with deaf children know ASL. Like can't speak it, which was 677 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,320 like lower percent than I thought. 678 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,640 I would have thought it would be way higher and that makes me 679 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,800 kind of sad honestly. Yeah, I think a higher 680 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,200 percentage of parents use signs, maybe not necessarily. 681 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,800 Fluently. Oh, OK. 682 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,040 Yeah, like maybe not like a fluent language, but yeah, yeah, 683 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,360 it's low. And I'm wondering too, how many 684 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,600 kids now just like learn English versus using ASL, or maybe they 685 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:11,280 like use ASL with their friends that are deaf and then try to, 686 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,720 you know, use English with their families. 687 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,320 I don't know, but I thought that was kind of interesting. 688 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,640 Obviously, there's a lot of barriers, you know, to learning 689 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,520 it as an adult because I think it's harder to learn as an 690 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,800 adult. It's harder to learn any 691 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,080 language as an adult versus like, a kid naturally getting 692 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,200 it. And if you have a kid or a 693 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,000 toddler who's trying to learn it, you know, that's a busy time 694 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,960 of life already, and now you're trying to learn a language. 695 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,360 So I think, yeah, there's factors there. 696 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,680 But I think most families probably use the combination of 697 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,320 spoken language and sign language. 698 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,920 And at the end of the day, like figure out what works best for 699 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,600 you and your family too, you know, or I mean, that's like 700 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,040 with anything, obviously. But I know that there's state 701 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,640 resources you can get to for pointing you in the right 702 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,680 direction for some, some help with ASL classes and things like 703 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,920 that. But to your point, not everyone 704 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,920 has time to take classes. Good thing there's YouTube 705 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,080 nowadays, though, you know, I'm sure that there's, that's 706 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,240 probably helpful to learn a bit on your time. 707 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,320 No, I yeah, teach their own, I guess. 708 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,040 I wonder what makes people decide one way or another. 709 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,000 It's probably a multiple factors. 710 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,960 Right, right. A couple other things. 711 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,080 Like I mentioned, there's different kinds of sign 712 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,520 languages that people use. In America, S EE assigned exact 713 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,000 English, which is like literally translating an English word into 714 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,960 a sign. So that one has like the what 715 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,360 you call them. I forgot what they're called, 716 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,240 the like and articles. Like. 717 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,000 Articles. Yeah. 718 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,520 So if I would say like I am going to bed, I would sign every 719 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,200 single word there versus ASL. You might just say point to 720 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,320 yourself and then do the sign for bed and whoever you're 721 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,040 talking to is going to get it. And then there's pigeon sign 722 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,200 language, which is not spelled like the animal said, like the 723 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,320 animal, PIDGIN, pigeon, pigeon. Sign. 724 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,160 English like a combination between ASL and signed exact 725 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:21,080 English. I also saw a lot of signs if you 726 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,120 would sign the 1st letter of a word and then like if you're 727 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,600 going to sign breakfast, you would do the sign for B and then 728 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,280 put it to your mouth because the. 729 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,720 Sign. Putting your hand by your mouth. 730 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,040 So you would just sign AB and put it by your mouth and people 731 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,720 would get breakfast. But you could also sign 732 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:43,040 breakfast, eat and then the sign for morning, which is like the 733 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,480 sun coming up. OK, so there's more than one way 734 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,640 to say things. Yeah. 735 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,960 So like, I'm wondering why somebody would necessarily learn 736 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,320 one way over the other. Right. 737 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,040 Like if I don't know, it's just interesting. 738 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,480 I mean, I think signed exact English. 739 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,120 That's also kind of like controversial in the deaf 740 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,080 community because again, you're not signing. 741 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,440 I mean, you're using English as the foundation, which is like, 742 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,320 well, I don't need to use English, right? 743 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,880 I have this whole accessible language that I can use with 744 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:23,360 people. So I think probably how that 745 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:29,040 kind of formed is back to, you know, people thinking that 746 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,080 everyone should learn English and this is just like another 747 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,200 way to like communicate in English. 748 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:43,040 I guess one other little tidbit that I read, there is a black 749 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,400 ASL. So obviously back in like 1817, 750 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,440 there was still irrigated schools and for a long time 751 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,680 after that too. So people who are black and deaf 752 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,760 kind of formed their own signs. That makes sense. 753 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,080 So that's probably like a whole another topic. 754 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,520 I think they're like similar, but just taking into account 755 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,920 like, you know, the whole history of yeah, that's. 756 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,520 Language. And yeah, so like. 757 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,960 The cultural vernacular that we still saturate you from speaking 758 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,440 English, OK. So yeah, that's a whole rabbit 759 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,040 hole I could go down. That's so interesting. 760 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,560 I know. So I think it's like similar to 761 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,120 spoken English, you know, somebody who is communicating 762 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,000 with their black family might use different signs and if they 763 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,160 were signing with like, white friends, kind of like code 764 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,280 switching. Yeah. 765 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,200 Yeah. But I thought that was 766 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,840 interesting and would probably want to learn more about that. 767 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,760 So yeah. In conclusion, there's a lot of 768 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,680 variance in the use of ASL and other signs. 769 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,480 It's an important communication tool for the deaf community, 770 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,880 regardless of any hearing correction they may or may not 771 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,280 have or however much hearing they do have. 772 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,600 And I think it's important to mention that just like that 773 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:09,280 combination of communication or languages is becoming kind of 774 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,080 the standard of care for deaf children. 775 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,520 Learning both ASL and spoken English, reading English. 776 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,320 So yeah, that that's my my stuff errands. 777 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,120 Does any of this sound familiar from layer class? 778 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,800 Those brain sets are dead a long time. 779 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,760 Your class more like teaching you how to speak it versus I 780 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,600 don't know, maybe a lot of I mean, I guess Amy did talk about 781 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,160 like how to do different things, but. 782 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,080 It was intro and it wasn't in person. 783 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,160 So it was you watch the professor's video and then you 784 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,920 record yourself, do a video back. 785 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,760 And then like I said, it was like I wanted to learn it a lot. 786 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,800 My drive was there, but I had so many. 787 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,080 I think that was a semester I had O Chem as well. 788 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,440 So that was kind of the least of my priorities at that point, 789 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,160 unfortunately. But I've, yeah, I really want to 790 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,280 go back and just get like a, you know, a handful of things down 791 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,240 and practicing. So I'm curious, I didn't come 792 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:15,440 across any of the chimp things or like I didn't research into 793 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,440 like the animal sign language. So what do you know about that? 794 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,520 I mean, it's just a tool that for yeah, non human primates 795 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,360 that we've been using to communicate and they've, I, I 796 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,080 have it on my list of topics to talk about as well at some 797 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,480 point. But I think like, I just find it 798 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,000 interesting that they can also take words like, I think there 799 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,320 was like a caretaker that was pregnant and lost their baby and 800 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,400 like the next time they went in and I think it was a gorilla. 801 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,960 They like signed baby and then like cry and all that. 802 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,280 So they're just like it's intuitive or it's, it's, it's 803 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,080 just a way to I guess. Yeah. 804 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:02,040 Talk to species that aren't us, but like can also talk back, you 805 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,760 know, I don't know, really cool stuff like Coco and I can't 806 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,920 remember. There's a bunch of others. 807 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,080 I think it's. Sounds like a drunk. 808 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,480 I know, I know. Amy, are you going to go and 809 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,800 take a class or learn more now that you've sparked this 810 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,000 interest even more? I'm sure. 811 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,200 Oh gosh, I don't know. I like that. 812 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,360 I feel like the best way to learn it would be to like 813 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,360 talking with a native speaker. So far as like learning from 814 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,600 that. I feel like there's probably a 815 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,040 lot of classes that you could find online that are taught by 816 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,920 somebody who is deaf, just like using subtitles or like somebody 817 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,960 voicing it over. So like communicate with a 818 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,480 hearing person. So maybe, maybe. 819 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,560 I think this episode inspired me and more than I've ever felt to 820 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,680 learn it. Like it feels like we were 821 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,240 saying just super intuitive, which I enjoy. 822 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:05,160 And to Aaron's point to like we should maybe all be required to 823 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,720 take a class or two of it in school I think would be cool. 824 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,880 Yeah. I mean, it is considered a 825 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,600 foreign language, I guess. And so if you needed a credit, 826 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,440 if you're in college, that could be a foreign language credit, I 827 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,240 guess, or a world language credit versus taking Spanish or 828 00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:29,280 French or, and maybe like just as or more useful because like I 829 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,880 said, like I have students that use some signs and errands, you 830 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,120 know, somebody who uses sign language and it's just, yeah, 831 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,320 it's a cool language. And I think a beautiful language 832 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,840 too, if you just like watch people communicating with it. 833 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,440 Yeah, I'm also curious to learn more about like the cochlear 834 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,720 implant as well. I don't know too much besides 835 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:57,400 that sometimes people get it implanted and then they can 836 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,520 hear. But I is it like, I don't know, 837 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,760 Do you guys know much about the cochlear implant? 838 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,760 I know somebody that, no, I just, I know, like I know 839 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,200 somebody that's deaf that can like hear me still, you know 840 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,960 what I mean? And so like I'm assuming that's 841 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,120 what she has and that is the extent of my knowledge. 842 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,960 I think it's interesting and yeah, I don't know. 843 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:22,600 Yeah, I just kind of looked at it a little bit and I think they 844 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:28,400 can hear stuff, but it doesn't necessarily sound like you and I 845 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,080 would hear. Not necessarily. 846 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,120 Yeah, I'm curious, OK. Then I suppose like some people 847 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,480 too, I think there's like a range of deafness, right? 848 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,320 So some people are born like completely deaf. 849 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,320 Some people acquire that deafness. 850 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,240 Some people just have really, really bad hearing. 851 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,400 So maybe you can use like a different amplification to hear 852 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,600 better. Yeah. 853 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,840 So yeah, again, that's a whole different. 854 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,040 Thing yeah, another thing that's. 855 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,200 Cool. Yeah, really cool. 856 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,160 I learned a lot. Yeah, I did not. 857 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,400 Yeah, I've realized how much goes into it, you know? 858 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,440 Isn't that fun? I just didn't. 859 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,200 Know it's fun, yeah, I learned I I liked doing that research. 860 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,760 Yeah. Thanks for thanks for having me 861 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,280 on. That was fun. 862 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,520 Yeah. Thanks. 863 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,480 Yeah, we appreciate you taking the time. 864 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,360 Absolutely. Well, that was fun. 865 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,520 I wish I could just like do this in sign language right now. 866 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,760 Like that'd be cool. Like to alongside what I'm 867 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,320 saying. OK, could be your goal. 868 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,200 Yeah, maybe would watch. Yeah, be more inclusive that 869 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,000 way. But anyway, thank you so much 870 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,040 again for joining us, Amy. That was really fun. 871 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,040 And that's really it for this week's rabbit hole. 872 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,520 Next week dot dot dot. It will be. 873 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,040 It'll be here eventually. Yep, maybe next week. 874 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,920 But anyway, tell us what you're hyperfixated on as well. 875 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,200 Drop it in the comments, DMS, or e-mail us and maybe your 876 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,040 obsession will make it into a future episode as well. 877 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,320 Until then, embrace the spiral, stay curious, and we'll see you 878 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,880 next time. Bye. 879 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,360 Bye, it's hyperfixation time.