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Aaron and Danny, to lifelong 
best friends, take turns picking

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topics. 
Then they see where it ends. 

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So wild. 
It's weird and sometimes 

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specific. 
Whatever it is, you know it will

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be terrific. 
It's hyperfixation time. 

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Hey everyone, welcome to 
hyperfixation time. 

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I'm Danny. 
Hey, I'm Aaron. 

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And if you can't tell, we're in 
Wisconsin. 

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Oh, hey there. 
I don't know. 

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I just like, I, I don't like 
saying it exactly the same way 

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every time. 
So I'm like, oh, hey. 

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I don't know. 
Yeah, I like it. 

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I like the switch up. 
You should do that. 

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That's right. 
Well, anyways, it's Aaron's turn

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today to talk about a main 
topic. 

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I don't know what it's going to 
be yet. 

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I have no guesses at all really.
But. 

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Few clue, I don't know myself. 
But yeah, she's going to teach 

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us about something today or talk
about something today. 

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So I'm excited to hear what that
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And before we get to that, we're
going to catch up a little bit 

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and talk about microfixations, 
which if you're new here, is 

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basically Aaron's little made-up
term for our like weekly 

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hyperfixations. 
Just something that we're 

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interested in or this week in 
particular, something we're 

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doing or just interested in. 
So yeah. 

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One thing that's been bugging me
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should be a hypo fixation. 
Because hyper. 

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Yeah. 
But I like micro. 

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That's fine. 
It's ours. 

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Yeah, people get the gist. 
So jumping into the 

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microfixations, do you want 
first or second I'll? 

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Go second. 
OK, OK, Well, last week I gave 

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you the option of a couple 
things, one of them being a 

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game, but I'm going to talk 
about that today because, and 

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I've already talked about this 
game before, we're talking about

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Animal Crossing again. 
Again. 

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And here's why. 
Do you know? 

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I'd be surprised if you knew, I 
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Animal Crossing. 
Right now, yeah. 

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No, no. 
So, OK, so Animal Crossing New 

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Horizons quick history lesson 
for you came out in 2020, March 

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of 2020. 
I played it. 

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Yep. 
Yeah. 

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And it was wildly popular when 
it came out. 

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A little over a year later, they
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And the controversy was that 
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they were like, this is the 
final update, Like, we're not 

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going to update anymore. 
And the Animal Crossing 

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community did not appreciate 
that information because they're

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just like, excuse me, this is a 
wildly popular game like 

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Nintendo you've made. 
I don't know how much money off 

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of that. 
A lot, yeah. 

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Yeah, and you're just not going 
to give us updates anymore? 

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Like, come on, randomly in last 
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was just like, hey, we're going 
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JK yeah. 
Years later. 

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Yeah, years later 5. 
Years later, almost. 

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So the update came out and they 
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early. 
So it came out on January 14th. 

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And you know, by the time that 
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everything, that's going to have
been a while. 

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But basically I've just been 
playing nonstop again since 

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then. 
So it's a lot of fun. 

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And I think really like the 
update itself is fun, but it's 

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nothing like crazy crazy, but 
it's just kind of fun. 

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Like feeling nostalgic for this 
time period of when everyone was

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playing Animal Crossing. 
And like, all the Youtubers that

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I follow are playing it and, 
like, just kind of seeing 

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everybody like this resurgence 
of the Animal Crossing 

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community. 
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It's fun, I love it. 
I love it. 

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I know it was fun. 
I I remember like visiting other

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people's islands and stuff at 
that time and it was like 

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perfect for Covad times and 
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It was. 
So what are the updates? 

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There are, yeah, some major 
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Like the biggest thing about it 
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hotel. 
And so basically it the hotel is

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on your island and you can like 
decorate different rooms in the 

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hotel. 
They released like a lot of new 

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items with this hotel and like 
just the update in general. 

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There's like there's actually 
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Zelda inspired villagers and 
like items you can get. 

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I don't even have them yet. 
I think you have to get like 

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Amiibo for it. 
There's some like quality of 

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life updates with it that's 
really nice. 

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Like crafting is a lot easier 
because you can like mass craft 

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things, you know, like, instead 
of just like crafting one at a 

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time, you're like, I want ten of
these, you know? 

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Nice. 
That makes it more efficient. 

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Or for you at least. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

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Stuff like that. 
So. 

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Yeah, Oh my gosh, I forgot what 
my microfixation was. 

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I mean, if I'm going to be 
genuine and honest, my 

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microfixation has been on 
Minneapolis and what's going on 

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there right now. 
That is fair. 

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And we've talked about this 
before and I am just having, I 

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guess, a really hard time with 
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And I'm not trying to get like 
too into the weeds with this, 

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but I am confused and I'm sad 
and I'm angry and I feel 

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helpless and hopeless in a lot 
of ways. 

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Yeah. 
So not to bring it down. 

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I'm sorry. 
It's just like I just. 

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Feel like I'm like so silly over
here talking about Animal 

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Crossing. 
Well, I can I'm. 

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With you, no, it's OK. 
OK, I, like I said, I was like, 

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I wasn't going to bring it up. 
And then I was like, but 

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genuinely, this has been my 
hyper fixation of the week of 

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just like, and which is not a 
good thing 'cause I've been 

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doomed scrolling and everything,
which I don't recommend. 

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But I just want to say that 
regardless of political beliefs 

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that you have, nobody deserves 
to die in such ways. 

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And I'm, I, my company that I 
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of Minneapolis. 
So I'm there quite a bit. 

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Well, not quite a bit, but you 
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I've been there often in the 
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there and it's like a second not
home, but I have my friend that 

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lives there and everything. 
So it just feels a very. 

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It's like a sister city or 
something. 

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Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to
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Yeah. 
Like a sister city for me. 

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Minneapolis and Madison too, 
like just in general, are sister

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cities too because of the 
schools and everything I feel. 

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Yeah, like a lot of people. 
That don't go to school here 

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will go to Minneapolis. 
Yes, Yep, a lot of 

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Wisconsinites. 
Yeah, over to Minnesota. 

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And yeah, my heart's just with 
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And I hope that we can just try 
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humanity again in all of this. 
And that's my genuine topic. 

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And I'm also playing Balter's 
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That's fine. 
Yeah, I picked it up again 

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because I need something to 
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And when this comes out, like, 
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the news just moves so quickly. 
But yeah, I don't know what else

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to say about it really, other 
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I feel is just, we're angry 
about it, scared for the state 

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of the country. 
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I feel like it's like, is it 
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that or is it bad to break the 
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I don't know what your main 
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serious, could be silly, but we 
got to transition somehow I 

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guess. 
I know I didn't give you any 

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clues because I have a hard time
deciding and didn't know what 

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the time, but this episode comes
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Valentine's Day. 
That was going to be my guess. 

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This is it's going to be 
something Valentine's related. 

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Really OK, because I was 
looking. 

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At the calendar. 
I know I was like, I had like 3 

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different topics in mind and 
then I was like, I have like 

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half research on like three or 
four different things right now 

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because I just don't know what 
mood I'm going to be in or like 

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what makes sense. 
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well, this one is going to come 
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Like I could do like the history
of Valentine's Day, but I wanted

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to change it up a little bit and
I was hyper fixated on this at 

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one time. 
So again, it just felt genuine. 

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Can I give guesses or anything? 
Yeah, yeah, give. 

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Me can I be love languages? 
Yeah. 

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It is all right. 
Nice. 

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See, you're a freaking 
detective. 

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You know, every time I'm like, I
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It could be anything. 
I don't. 

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Know, I don't think I've known 
every time, but well. 

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You get. 
At least close. 

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Yeah, you. 
Get very funny yes so love 

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languages is my. 
Sister will be so excited about 

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this episode. 
Sorry in advance for some of the

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myth busting I'm going to be 
doing or I. 

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Don't believe in it. 
Like, well, I don't want to be 

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all rude, but yeah. 
We'll get into it, don't worry. 

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I feel the same way. 
But how long have you and Dwight

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been together now? 
We have been together for like 

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10 1/2 years. 
OK. 

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Yeah, Yeah. 
Is that right? 

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11 years, something like that. 
PJ and I, it's, it's basically 

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about three years at this point 
or three years. 13 years, I'm 

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like, yeah, three, that makes 
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officially, like when we started
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it's like 12 1/2. 
So basically around then I just 

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remembered like this coming up a
lot around that time and we 

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talked about it and everything 
and like I had him do the test 

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and all that. 
But did you and have you and 

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Dwight ever taken the love 
languages? 

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Like I think we have, I know I 
for sure have, yeah. 

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And I feel like similarly, like,
you know, similar time period 

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and everything. 
Like I feel like maybe towards 

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the beginning of the 
relationship, either he did take

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it or I've just kind of thought 
about like what his love 

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languages would be and all that,
you know what I mean? 

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Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 
You've been with somebody for 

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long enough. 
It's like, OK, I realize it's 

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this and this. 
Yeah. 

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So do you remember what the five
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Yes. 
OK, So there's gift giving, 

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there's physical touch, there's 
acts of service, quality time, 

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and words of affirmation. 
Nice good memory. 

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Thank you. 
Yes, that's spot on. 

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So the concept was introduced in
1992 by Doctor Gary Chapman. 

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He was a Baptist pastor turned 
marriage counselor and he wrote 

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this book based on his 
experience with with couples. 

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So his book was called The Five 
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Love That Lasts. 
Yeah. 

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So words of affirmation, access 
service, receiving gifts, 

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quality time, physical touch. 
Basically it's like, how do I as

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a partner to somebody else? 
How do I show them that I love 

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them? 
There may be a little bit of 

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everything, but technically 
Doctor Gary Chapman said that 

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technically there's like a 
primary and a secondary, so it's

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like really only two. 
I feel like I've evolved in from

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one thing to another to another,
so I don't know for sure what 

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mine are anymore. 
I feel like just personal 

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opinion real quick is like, 
yeah, you know, when I was first

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introduced to this idea and kind
of took the quiz and like, 

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thought about it for myself and 
everything like that. 

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Like I definitely had the ones, 
you know, that in my head were 

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true for me. 
Like this is how I feel loved 

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because that's it too. 
It's not just like how you show 

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love, but it's how you feel 
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And then I feel like if you like
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much, I feel like you're 
forgetting about some of the 

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other aspects and you kind of 
need all of them to paint a full

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picture, if that makes sense. 
And so I feel like if you go, 

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well, I don't need this thing at
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So like I don't need gift 
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That was, this is kind of my 
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first took this test, it was 
like, I don't need gift giving 

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at all. 
I don't feel loved that way. 

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And then you tell people that 
over and over and over again. 

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And then finally you're just 
like. 

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But I mean, maybe. 
Sometimes I want a gift. 

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Yes. 
I put in my notes. 

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I was like, but I kind of like 
all of these things, yeah. 

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You know, Important in their own
ways, you know? 

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They they are. 
I think at the time when I took 

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it way back, you know, like I 
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I'm pretty sure I did physical 
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and I'm not sure if I would say 
that those are mine today, to be

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honest. 
You know, you know how like the 

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Enneagram, we talked about it, 
that doesn't change. 

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Like that's foundational, what 
your motivations are and 

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whatever this I feel like I kind
of am like this has to change or

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ebb and flow and sometimes like 
you need a little bit of it all.

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So like, but basically so he 
kind of came up with these five.

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So words of affirmation means. 
I know it's kind of 

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self-explanatory, but just want 
to make sure. 

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To go over it, yeah. 
Words of affirmation so showing 

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love through verbal 
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encouragement. 
Quality time is showing love by 

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giving undivided attention, 
engaging and meaningful 

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conversations, and participating
in various activities together. 

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Gift giving is showing love 
through thoughtful and 

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meaningful gifts that symbolize 
appreciation and affection. 

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Acts of service is showing love 
by performing various tasks that

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are helpful and ease the 
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And then the last so physical 
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physical gestures like hugging, 
kissing, holding hands, you 

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know, that kind of thing. 
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sometimes around others as part 
of that. 

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But according to his theory, 
each person has the one primary 

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and the 1 secondary love 
language. 

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And he theorized that people 
tend to naturally give love in 

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the way that they prefer to 
receive it. 

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And the point of that, like to 
your point, this is like the 

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point of the book was saying 
that it's, it's better to figure

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out what each person in the in 
the relationship is and not do 

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what you want, but do what they 
want, if that makes sense. 

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No, it does make sense. 
Just to like clarify, I guess 

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this is really I never read the 
book. 

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My sister definitely did and 
explained it all to me. 

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Like all my knowledge. 
My sister just told me all this.

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She could have she could have 
been the host of this episode. 

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We. 
Should have her on. 

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But anyways, and I think that 
that theory is just like a 

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really good starting point for 
this type of conversation and 

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similar to when we talked about 
the MBTI. 

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By the way, if you are new here,
haven't listened to those 

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episodes, we have an entire 
episode about MBTI and 

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Enneagram. 
Go check them out. 

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MBTI was our first episode too 
so. 

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So Aaron and I are very 
interested in like personality 

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and. 
All that psychology. 

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I think that that idea is just 
like a really good starting 

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point. 
And if you're having issues in a

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relationship, it is a good 
conversation starter of being 

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like, hey, like like if 
somebody's not feeling loved in 

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the relationship and the other 
person is confused because 

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they're like, what do you mean? 
I'm showing you love in these 

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ways. 
And then the person on the 

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receiving end is just like, oh, 
well, I don't feel loved in that

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way. 
Like I wouldn't have even seen, 

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you know, that as a form of you 
showing love. 

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I don't know. 
It's just like a good way to 

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have those conversations. 
Totally. 

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So really I was going to give an
example. 

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So if like, you know, partner 
number one, their love language 

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is access service, they may be 
confused when they do laundry 

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and put the laundry away that 
their partner #2 does not like. 

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Oh my gosh, thank you so much. 
And just like really, really 

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received that as an act of love,
viewing it maybe more simply as 

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just performing household 
duties, which is which is fair 

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because the partner #2 maybe 
prefers the love language of 

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words of affirmation. 
And they may try to use that for

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to them that words of 
affirmation to express their 

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love. 
But the partner #1 will not 

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value that as much as the 
spouse. 

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I feel like this is just like 
far more confusing. 

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It's just if you understand each
other's love languages, you know

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how you give and you know or you
know what you want to give based

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on what they prefer and you know
what you want to receive based 

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on what you prefer. 
And it's usually different 

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things. 
So I know 1 of PJS is quality 

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time and he does not like it if 
I'm on my phone when we're 

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watching something because he 
wants to watch it together. 

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And I've worked on that. 
One of mine is physical touch. 

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I well, again, I'm not sure if 
it's like as strong as it was 

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when it, when I first did this, 
but he's not a physical touch 

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person. 
But he'll still know when I need

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a hug or when I need to just 
like, hold his hand for a bit. 

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And even though that's not 
something he prefers, he will do

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it because he knows that that's 
what I like, you know? 

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Yeah, and that's super 
important. 

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And I'm happy to hear, you know,
like that he recognizes that and

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and like that you recognize that
quality time is his because, you

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know, then you can practice the 
phone stuff. 

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Like that's really why this is 
like a good conversation 

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starter. 
Again, I don't know. 

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Totally. 
What were your love languages, 

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you and Dwight's do you 
remember? 

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Or what would you say now, I 
guess. 

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Yeah, good question. 
So I know words of affirmation 

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is definitely a big one for me. 
I don't remember exactly what my

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test results said or anything 
like that. 

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I just know that that that's 
true for me. 

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Yeah. 
Like I need, I need you to tell 

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me 50 times a day that you love 
me and think that I'm amazing or

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I'm not going to believe it. 
OK. 

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So it's you know what? 
I mean, yeah. 

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So it's in that way. 
Would you consider telling your 

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partner, Oh my gosh, you look 
very hot or that sure looks 

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great? 
Do you think that that's words 

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of affirmation or? 
Yeah, OK. 

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I think that counts and OK, 
yeah. 

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So like I need to be with 
somebody that's going to do 

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that. 
And fortunately, thank you 

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honey, to like he is very good 
at that type of stuff of just 

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like constantly lifting me up in
that way. 

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I would figured he would be. 
Both of our guys would be pretty

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receptive of this stuff. 
Yeah, I'm trying to think of 

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like what a secondary 1 was 
maybe like I feel like it's like

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AI don't know, maybe quality 
time trying to remember. 

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I don't know because yeah, like 
the rest of them all almost feel

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slightly tied. 
I know that in the past gifts 

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was definitely not one and I 
would say like that is almost my

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bottom. 
But like I said, I don't want to

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like, get rid of it. 
Like if you if somebody, and 

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this doesn't always have to be 
romantic, I guess I want to say 

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like, this can be like amongst 
friends or like family members 

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and everything too, you know 
what I mean? 

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But like, if somebody does have 
like, a thoughtful gift for you,

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like, yeah, that I feel loved. 
From that, yeah. 

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And then I would say for a 
Dwight, like definitely physical

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touch would be the biggest 1. 
And I I feel like he does 

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appreciate acts of service as 
well. 

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OK. 
Yeah, I think that even though I

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think physical touch would still
be like my #3 probably, but I 

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would say acts of service. 
See, it's hard because anytime 

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PJ gives me a compliment, I'm 
like, you know, really, yeah, I 

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can't take it. 
I can't take it, but I like 

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hearing it. 
I don't know, that makes no 

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sense. 
I realize that we just had this 

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conversation where he's like, 
what can I say? 

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And I'm like, I don't know. 
I just can't. 

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I just can't accept it for some 
reason. 

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But I enjoy it at the same time.
So that makes not a ton of 

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sense. 
But I guess access service and 

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probably quality time, but in 
the sense of just like, yes, I 

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may be on my phone. 
But I can multitask and I'm 

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working. 
On it, So you're saying that's a

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secondary for you is quality 
time, OK. 

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I would say yeah, because I do, 
yeah, I do prefer like even if 

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he's just like playing video 
games, I'll and we have a, his 

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office is downstairs and we have
a TV in there. 

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So he's playing video games. 
I'll just like come down there 

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and watch whatever show I'm 
watching at the time. 

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And even that's like we don't 
have to be talking or walk 

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watching the same thing 
necessarily for my quality time.

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It's just like I want to be 
around you, you know? 

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No, like if you have a person 
that you can literally just like

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be in the same room with and it 
feels like you're alone, I feel 

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like that's the ultimate honor. 
You know. 

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What I mean? 
Yes, totally. 

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And I'm an Aquarius, which we 
are very we like our alone time 

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and and like just kind of some 
space. 

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And we do have that too. 
Peter and I, even though we both

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work from home and we have for 
the less almost six years. 

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You think that we get sick of 
each other and there are days, 

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but but like I still need he and
he'd like just for some reason, 

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after all this time, like 
recognizes that that I need my 

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alone time at the same time, but
yet at the same time, quality 

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time is important to me too. 
I don't know. 

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Like I said, this is all just 
like. 

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Yeah, I think we're going to get
to that, you know, with like the

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myth busting and everything like
that. 

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And nobody is just going to have
just one, because they're all, 

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they're all needed. 
Yeah, I think so. 

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And yeah, like you mentioned 
there, it may be the ones lowest

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on the list, but it doesn't mean
that every once in a while you 

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don't want that or something. 
So this framework has become 

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very popular and easy to share 
and it got pretty popular around

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2010 and 2013 ish. 
Again, the book was published in

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1992, but in 2013 Oprah Winfrey 
endorsed it and kind of that 

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made it take off. 
The book itself that he wrote, 

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Doctor Chapman is has sold over 
20 million copies and has been 

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translated into 50 languages. 
In terms of the timing, this was

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also around the time of like the
rise of dating apps too. 

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And social media became, you 
know, pretty, I mean, it was 

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there, but it just became more 
of a thing I feel like. 

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And even like with the hashtag 
love language or love languages,

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there's like over 2 billion 
views by 2022 with that hashtag 

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on social media platforms. 
So it it like took off 

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essentially even years after it 
was published. 

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You could definitely see like on
dating profiles like people 

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listing that as one of their 
attributes or something like for

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sure love languages, acts of 
service. 

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Yes. 
I don't know. 

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Yeah, for sure. 
I feel like, I mean, again, it's

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like it's a it's a starting 
point, I think. 

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So despite the popularity of 
this book, Chapman's credentials

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and viewpoints have faced some 
scrutiny over the years. 

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For example, his doctorate is in
adult education, not like a 

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psychotherapy view. 
And he's a pastor as well, which

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led him to make these theories 
based on heteronormative couples

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as well. 
So that's part of the 

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controversy to those 
perspectives from a 

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heteronormative couple and works
exclusively with heterosexual 

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couples. 
I do have a question, yeah. 

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And I don't know if you'll know 
the answer or not, but like, is 

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his book really coming at it 
from, like a scientific 

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perspective? 
And like, we did these studies 

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and blah, blah, blah. 
It's just like, OK, so it's more

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written. 
Aaron's shaking her head no. 

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Yeah, sorry. 
Yeah, I forget. 

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I forget it's an audio. 
Platform sometimes, but anyway, 

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so it's more so it's just like. 
His observations, observations, 

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yeah, yeah, cuz he was a pastor 
turned marriage counselor. 

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So this is like the themes that 
he saw over his time in his 

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profession. 
But again, like there's that's 

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like a very, it's probably a 
white, again, heterosexual 

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couples. 
So it's it's not all inclusive. 

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00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,000
And when asked about same sex 
couples, he said I don't deal 

452
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,680
with all that. 
Oh, OK. 

453
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,440
So. 
The one thing I was just going 

454
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,120
to say is like, in terms of that
regard, like, yeah, 

455
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:58,560
controversial, like, OK, gross. 
But what I was going to say is, 

456
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,240
like, it reminds me of the seven
wonders of the world that we 

457
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,160
were talking about, where it's 
like, you have this idea and you

458
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,080
want to share this idea. 
And then you just like, don't 

459
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,240
realize how big it's going to be
and that people are going to 

460
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,440
treat this like a science even 
though it wasn't ever supposed 

461
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,400
to be like a science, You know 
what I mean? 

462
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,360
Yeah, totally. 
No, that's a good comparison for

463
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,640
sure. 
I feel like the audacity of 

464
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,480
white men in general. 
Sorry, I'll take that out, but. 

465
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,080
Why not? 
Or keep it. 

466
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,760
OK, so whether intentionally or 
not, he has developed a 

467
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,440
framework that is typically 
gender specific. 

468
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,240
The book has received approval 
from many therapists though, 

469
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,280
though some express some 
reservations. 

470
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,640
For example, Lisa Bobby, a 
psycho psychologist. 

471
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:52,200
Psychologist, psychologist and 
clinical director of Growing 

472
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,960
Self Counseling and the Coaching
in Denver notes that much 

473
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,040
relationship advice has become 
more inclusive since the 

474
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,520
publishing of this book. 
So we've, we've evolved, we've, 

475
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,240
we've gotten better. 
And I think that that's 

476
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:06,160
important. 
Also, it just reminded me of 

477
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,600
like when we talked about with 
the POTS episode with Katie, how

478
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,680
the research isn't out there 
because it's like these 

479
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,240
minorities, women that are the 
main people or these might, in 

480
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,080
this example, minority. 
Maybe they're not even minority 

481
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,880
anymore, but just like 
homosexual couples, you know? 

482
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,640
I don't know what you're getting
at right now. 

483
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,080
OK, I'm a little lost. 
In that I just mean like it it, 

484
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,720
it evolved over time. 
Like we're just learning about 

485
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,840
this stuff recently by including
more than one demographic. 

486
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,400
And what are we learning about? 
Like what, what the what 

487
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,640
relationships mean and like what
are the important things of it 

488
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,040
and whatnot. 
OK, yeah, sorry, I feel I'm 

489
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,480
going to take this out. 
No, I'm just like, I just got a 

490
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,840
little lost. 
There no, I just meant like it 

491
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,240
reminded me of just research is 
done primarily in general across

492
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:08,280
studies and like subjects and 
whatnot with like white. 

493
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:09,840
Got you. 
OK. 

494
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,560
Yeah. 
And so I think that now she said

495
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,760
that we've been evolving from 
this. 

496
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,920
But you know, based on his book 
initially. 

497
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,800
I guess I would be really 
curious like are there studies 

498
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,240
that have been done since this 
book came out on the love 

499
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,720
languages? 
Like people actually did the 

500
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,880
science now? 
Yes, yes, we will get there 

501
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,200
because one of the other 
criticisms is that it's not 

502
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,560
strongly backed by research. 
Yeah. 

503
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,440
So really actually research 
hasn't shown that this approach 

504
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,200
actually helps relationships in 
a proven way necessarily. 

505
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,960
It's just some limited 
scientific evidence supporting 

506
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,520
the effectiveness overall. 
And again, his model was built 

507
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,480
on his own observations, not 
multiple variables and things to

508
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,160
to find a common I guess. 
But anyway, there's little 

509
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,480
evidence that matching partners 
by their love language leads to 

510
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,840
a better relationship 
satisfaction. 

511
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,720
So just cuz you match love 
languages does not mean that 

512
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,240
that relationship will be 
successful necessarily. 

513
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,920
It might be I feel like. 
I mean, I feel like his theory 

514
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,880
wasn't necessary that you have 
to like be with somebody that 

515
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,000
has the same live languages as 
you. 

516
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,840
It's more so that you're just 
like trying to accommodate your 

517
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,480
partner's love language. 
But I and I think at the time 

518
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960
when it got popular, it was 
like, what's your love language?

519
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,080
And I think people did really 
think that you had to be the 

520
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,840
same. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

521
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,560
Like. 
I said with the dating profile 

522
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,400
like. 
Yes. 

523
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,680
I'm Tiffany and my love language
is. 

524
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,360
Yeah, yeah, totally. 
No. 

525
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,200
And I, yeah, I think that that's
where it comes from is like just

526
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,480
you shouldn't, if you're on the 
dating profile, you shouldn't be

527
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,680
like, oh, their love language is
just like mine. 

528
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,320
So that means we're going to be 
great together. 

529
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,680
It's that's not, that's not 
necessary. 

530
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,480
It could happen, but it's not 
necessarily like it's going to 

531
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,360
happen for sure. 
Human emotional needs are more 

532
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,680
complex than 5 little 
categories, essentially. 

533
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,640
All of this sounds good in 
theory, but one thing that I was

534
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,640
kind of curious about when 
researching this topic was have 

535
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,400
you ever felt. 
We kind of talked about this, 

536
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,360
but have you ever felt really 
loved even when someone wasn't 

537
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,080
doing your love language on 
paper? 

538
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,680
You know, let me get. 
Fonder for a second, you know. 

539
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,600
Yeah. 
It's hard because I feel like 

540
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,640
I've known about this idea for 
so long at this point that I was

541
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,920
because I I've known about the 
love languages longer than I've 

542
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,600
been with Dwight. 
Yeah. 

543
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,080
OK. 
And so it's just like, hard 

544
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,120
because I feel like in my entire
dating life, I knew about this 

545
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,920
concept. 
That's true, yeah. 

546
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,760
So I'm trying to like think of 
an example of like somebody 

547
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:04,360
loving me in a way that was 
different than what I want to. 

548
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,600
I don't know, I guess I just 
feel like I can recognize if 

549
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,400
somebody's doing something 
because they want to show me 

550
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,320
that they love me. 
Do you know what I mean? 

551
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,600
Yeah. 
Like whether you can see that 

552
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,640
it's important to them, which 
makes it very like, OK, that's, 

553
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,760
that's awesome that they did 
that. 

554
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520
I think you can recognize that 
as you get older at least. 

555
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,600
So like, I guess in the past, I 
probably wouldn't have thought 

556
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,760
of like acts of service as a big
one for me, but I feel like I 

557
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,080
totally can understand when 
somebody's like doing something 

558
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,520
to help you out. 
Like that's amazing, you know 

559
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,720
what I mean? 
And like, wow, I do feel so 

560
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,240
loved for that. 
And I think Dwight's very good 

561
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,400
at that as well. 
And I'm even thinking, like I 

562
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,400
said, outside of romantic 
relationships, people can do 

563
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,040
these things, and it makes you 
feel loved. 

564
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,320
And so like, I'm thinking of, 
like, my dad cleaning off the 

565
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,080
snow of my car or something, 
like in high school, you know 

566
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,160
what I mean? 
And it's like, oh, thank you. 

567
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,920
Like, that you wouldn't do that 
for somebody that you don't 

568
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,880
love. 
You know what I mean? 

569
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:06,840
Yeah. 
Totally. 

570
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,920
Yeah, I think that's a good 
example, honestly. 

571
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,640
It doesn't mean that you 
appreciate it any less. 

572
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,840
You just know that that's how 
they're expressing it, you know?

573
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,440
Do you have any examples that 
you can think of like that? 

574
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,320
Honestly, gift giving is a big 
one and I would say that when 

575
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,960
somebody gives me a sentimental 
gift, that's just like, how the 

576
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,000
hell did they know that this is 
something I would enjoy? 

577
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,480
My mom's really good at it. 
A couple of my sisters are 

578
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,680
really good at it. 
I am bad at it. 

579
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,880
So I'm, I don't know why, but 
I've just never been good at 

580
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,880
gift giving. 
It just stresses me out. 

581
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,040
Actually, I do know why, but 
that's a whole nother story. 

582
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,600
I'm curious. 
I think it's because I don't 

583
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,400
like wasting things and I want 
to get you something that you're

584
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,680
going to use, and I want to be 
sure of that. 

585
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,880
Does that make sense? 
Instead of just being like, I 

586
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,800
think they would like this, even
though that might be more 

587
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,720
sentimental to some people, I 
would rather know that it's not 

588
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,560
something that's going to go to 
waste and that they actually 

589
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,680
need it or like it or want it, 
you know? 

590
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,920
So my mom's really good at that 
and I recognize it in the sense 

591
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,880
of like, it's not as important 
to me necessarily. 

592
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Again, it feels great to get a 
gift, but like when it's 

593
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,680
sentimental one where you're 
like, wow, that I'm just like, 

594
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,160
she's really, you know, showing 
that to me. 

595
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,240
So I think that's the first 
thing I would think of gift 

596
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,120
giving. 
It's a good one. 

597
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,800
And then I think, you know, 
there's also on the flip side, 

598
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,720
if you've shown love and it just
didn't translate the way that 

599
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,560
you hoped necessarily to other 
people. 

600
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,440
But we don't. 
We don't have to go through 

601
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,200
examples. 
OK can I actually give a juicy 

602
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,080
example here of something really
quick? 

603
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,920
So I have an ex that really 
liked to do gift giving. 

604
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,680
And This is why I specifically 
was like, no, gift giving's not 

605
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,000
my love language because he 
would get me, like, he would 

606
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,600
send me like, flowers or 
something. 

607
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,200
And then I just didn't really 
care about it that much. 

608
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,800
Like I, I kind of, you know, 
it's like, oh, that's a nice 

609
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,640
gesture, but like, that's pretty
at the end of the day. 

610
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,600
Like, that's my reaction. 
Like, oh, thank you. 

611
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,880
You know, yeah. 
Yeah, and. 

612
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,400
He wanted me to be like, oh, my 
God, thank you so much. 

613
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,320
Like, I just love it. 
I'm crying. 

614
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,080
I love these flowers. 
You know what I mean? 

615
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:25,560
Yeah. 
Like. 

616
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,360
That on social media, that's a 
good boyfriend or whatever. 

617
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Yeah. 
And so he would get really 

618
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,000
frustrated that I didn't have 
like a bigger reaction, you 

619
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,880
know? 
Yeah. 

620
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,960
And then that makes sense. 
Pretty much is why I was like, 

621
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,400
oh, no, like I don't like if 
giving. 

622
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,200
And then I also was like, I 
don't want flowers. 

623
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,560
Like I don't like flowers. 
And then after a while I was 

624
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,800
like, well, sometimes I want 
flowers. 

625
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,800
I know what you mean. 
I know. 

626
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,600
I definitely know what you mean.
It's like it's not that 

627
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,400
important, but also it's like 
it's nice to be thought about 

628
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,320
outside of I don't know. 
So what relationship science 

629
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,320
shows matters more essentially 
is what I then looked into. 

630
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,080
So this is more research based 
and specifically with a 

631
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,920
research, sorry, a relationship 
scientist, Doctor John Gottman, 

632
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,440
he came to the conclusion based 
on against, you know, scientific

633
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,920
research, that small bids for 
connection are what counts the 

634
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,800
most. 
So healthy couples respond to 

635
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,400
the little attempts that their 
partners make to connect 

636
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,400
throughout the day, like sharing
a funny moment or opening up 

637
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,840
about something personal. 
I would agree with that. 

638
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:40,080
Yes, this actually was like a 
big TikTok trend for a little 

639
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,280
bit recently. 
Was it? 

640
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,360
OK, Yeah. 
The bid theory, yeah. 

641
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,360
OK. 
And people would like, so 

642
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,280
basically somebody would like 
record, you know, their partner 

643
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,840
unexpectedly. 
And then they would just be 

644
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,800
like, it got transitioned from 
the bid theory to be calling to 

645
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,640
be called the bird theory if it 
was like an accident. 

646
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,880
And This is why, because 
basically people would be like, 

647
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,400
oh, like I saw the craziest bird
today. 

648
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,720
And then you need to get a 
reaction out of your partner. 

649
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,680
And like their reaction 
basically says like how much 

650
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,360
they love you. 
Because it's like if they're 

651
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,400
just go like, OK. 
And they're just like on their 

652
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,920
phone, like that person doesn't 
love you, you know what I mean? 

653
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,080
And everyone in the comments 
would be like, break up with him

654
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,120
or something, you know what I 
mean? 

655
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,160
But like, I didn't really see 
that much, but usually what I 

656
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,360
saw was like the partner being 
like, really like, what do they 

657
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,160
look like? 
You know, like being really 

658
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,560
interested in what the person 
was saying and like, that's like

659
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,800
a sign of connection 
essentially. 

660
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,920
But also, like, if birds aren't 
your thing, it's going to be 

661
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,280
like, oh cool, glad you saw 
that. 

662
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,520
You know, I don't think it was 
always like the bird. 

663
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,120
It just kind of evolved because 
I think people like, started 

664
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,000
misreading, misreading it. 
That's so funny, I didn't know 

665
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,360
that. 
Gosh, you're so good at like, 

666
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,040
TikTok. 
Good at it or addicted to 

667
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,720
TikTok? 
Who knows, It's been better, 

668
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:03,600
don't worry. 
There are worse things. 

669
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,040
OK, so the other thing that he 
found Doctor John Gottman is 

670
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,760
that positive interactions 
outweigh the negative. 

671
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:15,480
So basically you have to make 
sure or he suggests that for 

672
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,680
everyone negative interaction 
with your partner, there should 

673
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,720
be 5 positive ones. 
So you're in them. 

674
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,800
They don't. 
They don't like cancel each 

675
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,280
other out necessarily. 
So you're supposed to like, 

676
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,560
measure that. 
I mean, it's, it's what he said 

677
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,440
that stable relationships tend 
to have more positive moments 

678
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,880
than negative ones in general. 
So I'm not saying it's like you 

679
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,560
have to be like, I'm going to 
tick this tick, you know, But 

680
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,080
it's like if you start noticing 
that you've had more negative 

681
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,080
reactions or, you know, 
interactions, I should say, and 

682
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,720
it becomes like pretty apparent,
then that's maybe not the best 

683
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,120
relationship. 
You know, I don't know, PJ and I

684
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,320
don't really like yell at each 
other fight necessarily. 

685
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,800
We get mad at each other and 
like get frustrated and probably

686
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,000
say things that we don't 
necessarily mean, but like we've

687
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,440
never been ones to be like, and 
this is no judgement. 

688
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:24,480
This is just him and I, but just
being like yelling or any sort 

689
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,920
of like like blame. 
I think too, it's like we we 

690
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,600
both come to the table with 
trying to understand the other 

691
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,400
person's perspective. 
I'm not saying my relationship 

692
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,760
is perfect by any of this, just 
so you know, but I just mean 

693
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,960
like I think that you would 
notice if there's more negative 

694
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,880
than positive. 
Yeah, do. 

695
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,240
You have anything about that? 
No, like I think it just sounds 

696
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,200
like, you know, that's what good
communication is. 

697
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,000
And I would agree for my 
relationship as well. 

698
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,120
Like yelling is not good 
communication. 

699
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,320
OK, yeah, no, it's true. 
Yeah. 

700
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,720
And then how couples handle 
conflict is also a key part of 

701
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,680
relationship. 
So again, no relationship is 

702
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,720
perfect. 
But couples who stay together 

703
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,840
tend to repair after 
disagreement. 

704
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,320
So recognizing when things are 
tense and using small gestures 

705
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,520
or words that calm that 
conflict. 

706
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,160
So it could be somebody maybe 
breaking the tension a little 

707
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,560
bit with like humor, because 
that's just how their 

708
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:27,120
relationship works or showing up
in a way that is we're going to 

709
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,880
get through this together maybe.
And you, you know, based on your

710
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,640
partner, I think in your 
relationship, what what works 

711
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,800
best for you to Like, I'm 
somebody who can't go to bed 

712
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,440
angry. 
Well, I have, but I don't like 

713
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,520
to because I will keep spinning,
spinning, spinning, spinning in 

714
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,200
my head, but everything. 
So how we handle conflict, we 

715
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,000
know that about each other that 
like this is how I need to 

716
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,920
repair this part before we can 
move on, you know? 

717
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Does that make sense? 
I feel like I'm not making 

718
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,560
sense. 
You're totally making sense. 

719
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,480
I always feel like, yeah, you 
do, man. 

720
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,760
I just don't really have 
anything to add. 

721
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,120
I guess that's okay. 
So at the same time, so again, 

722
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,800
there it's not research based 
necessarily this five love 

723
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,200
languages that came out of the 
book and everything, but can it 

724
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,480
still be useful to the point 
that we've been making? 

725
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,760
Yes, it can be. 
And it has some limits though. 

726
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,760
So thinking in terms of love 
languages can spark those 

727
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,880
conversations about how you and 
your partner show care. 

728
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,320
It might help you notice ways 
that they are expressing 

729
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,160
affection that you hadn't 
thought about before. 

730
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:43,760
But instead of treating love 
languages as like a relationship

731
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,560
handbook, it's more helpful to 
ask questions like, are there 

732
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,360
ways I show love that my partner
doesn't immediately recognize? 

733
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,600
Do I really pay attention to how
my partner feels valued beyond a

734
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,320
label? 
Am I emotionally responsive? 

735
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,720
Not just expressive, So just 
kind of. 

736
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,760
To your point of just like it's,
it's, it's not a bad thing to 

737
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,280
know what, what those things 
are. 

738
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,680
It's just don't put everything 
on it. 

739
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,000
You know, it's more, it's more 
than just that. 

740
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,720
I mean, we're humans. 
We're complicated. 

741
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,000
I'm curious thinking about this 
like because I feel like at some

742
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,040
point I saw maybe a list where 
they had extra items like more 

743
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,520
than just the five. 
Did this come up for you at all?

744
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,720
No, it didn't. 
That didn't come up for me. 

745
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:37,320
What did was that Chapman wrote 
more books around this, but it 

746
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,760
was like the first or the Five 
love languages of Children 5 

747
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,200
Love languages for Singles, 5 
Love Languages of Appreciation 

748
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,080
in the Workspace and the Five 
Love Languages military military

749
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,160
edition so he. 
Military edition. 

750
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,200
Yeah. 
OK, what is that? 

751
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,560
Strengthen relationships and 
military families, OK. 

752
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,360
So gotcha. 
Yeah. 

753
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,040
So he came out with more, but I 
don't. 

754
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,480
Yeah, I guess I'm not sure about
more. 

755
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,480
Basically, I was just trying to 
think of like, because what 

756
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,480
we're saying here is that love 
is more complex than just these 

757
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,680
five things. 
And I'm, I was trying to think 

758
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,600
about, like, do you think that 
you've ever felt loved from 

759
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,840
something that's not on that 
list? 

760
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,960
Do you know what I mean? 
For sure, yeah. 

761
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,720
And like can you think of an 
example? 

762
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,000
No. 
I know it's like it's a hard on 

763
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,760
the spot question. 
I know. 

764
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,040
I think one thing to maybe get 
the ball rolling with that is 

765
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,280
like, have you ever heard this? 
Like to be loved is to be known.

766
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,400
So like if somebody shows and I 
feel like, you know, that could 

767
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,400
be maybe shown through a gift or
something like that. 

768
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,280
Like when somebody truly knows 
you, like maybe knows your weird

769
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,520
habits that you have that maybe 
you didn't even realize about 

770
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,840
yourself. 
Like I feel like that is to be 

771
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,280
loved, you know what I mean? 
Yeah, OK. 

772
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,240
I do have an example then. 
OK, great. 

773
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:12,800
I am an extreme empath. 
I've been doing research on like

774
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,280
highly sensitive person as well,
especially based on this, these 

775
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,720
last well, this last 10 years to
be honest. 

776
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,800
But one thing that PJ knows is 
that my battery gets drained 

777
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,880
pretty quickly. 
And so when I come home from a 

778
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,880
long weekend with weather and I 
have a great time, it's not 

779
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,440
saying anything bad about these 
like people that I'm around. 

780
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,440
But when I come home and he's 
like, he's already cleaned the 

781
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,560
house and then he's like, he 
knows I like to lay on the 

782
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,440
couch. 
So like, he'll have the couch 

783
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,080
all set up and ready for me 
because he knows I need to, 

784
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,800
like, decompress. 
And just like I I can't do much 

785
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,280
else. 
So it's not, it's not doesn't 

786
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,040
necessarily. 
I guess it's kind of acts of 

787
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,320
service, would you say? 
But like, I was like, more 

788
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,720
nuanced, like more. 
Yeah, yeah. 

789
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,000
More specific to me. 
What about you? 

790
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:10,240
Do you have one? 
I would say like if like Dwight 

791
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:16,440
will make sure that I'm like 
eating because I, I will just 

792
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,800
not do it. 
And it's not necessarily because

793
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,680
I'm like, oh, I forgot. 
It's like I'm just busy and like

794
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,640
I'm determined to do something 
else or whatever it is like. 

795
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,280
So yeah, he'll just like make 
sure that I'm fed and hydrated. 

796
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,120
Because if I'm not, then one, 
maybe I'll become super hangry, 

797
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,360
but two, I get migraines and so 
like, yeah, just always on 

798
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,120
migraine alert. 
So I feel like those are good 

799
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,120
examples of that. 
Yeah, for sure. 

800
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,600
I think it gets like you get to 
know your partner that you find 

801
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,680
like this the specifics of some 
of these when you were talking 

802
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,160
about like are there more than 
the five? 

803
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,080
So I looked it up. 
So there is some research that 

804
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,240
expands on Chapman's idea to 
include emotional, so like 

805
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,880
empathy and support and 
intellectual sharing ideas 

806
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,600
style. 
Yeah, me too. 

807
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,760
Along with activity appreciation
and financial needs. 

808
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Love is complicated. 
So the bottom line? 

809
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,320
Love languages are fun and can 
open a doorway into deeper 

810
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,840
communication, but they're not a
scientifically proven formula 

811
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,680
for relationship success. 
What really matters in these 

812
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,680
lasting relationships is how 
people respond to each other 

813
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,000
emotionally, build that trust, 
communicate and nurture 

814
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,520
connection day by day. 
That's it, Happy Valentine's 

815
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,560
Day. 
Happy Valentine's Day. 

816
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,920
Are you guys going to do 
anything for it, do you think? 

817
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,640
We usually never do it. 
Yeah. 

818
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,160
Do you guys? 
And I would say my son's 

819
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,120
birthday is like right after 
Valentine's Day, so I heavily 

820
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,920
associate them with each other 
now. 

821
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:55,960
That makes sense. 
Yep, Yep. 

822
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,600
You're more preparing for that. 
I'm sure it's a Hallmark 

823
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,840
holiday, but it's also fun. 
I get it too, you know. 

824
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,960
Do you? 
Want. 

825
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,760
I enjoyed that. 
I feel like it's on brand for 

826
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:17,400
our podcast and definitely like 
let us know in the comments if 

827
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,600
you know your love language or 
if you feel like this is all 

828
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,360
garbage. 
I don't. 

829
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,360
Know there's like a balance, 
like I don't want to poo poo on 

830
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,560
it, but it's just like, yeah, 
sure, take it with a grain of 

831
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,280
salt, you know? 
It's just interesting to talk 

832
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,240
about. 
Yeah, for. 

833
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:35,440
Sure how I feel about it. 
Yep, definitely. 

834
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:41,280
And I think just the idea of 
like the misalignment, I think 

835
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,840
it's interesting and important 
for a lot of couples to think 

836
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,240
about. 
Anyways, for next week, I feel 

837
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:55,160
like we just keep being similar.
I'm going to still stick with my

838
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,960
topic. 
I don't really know how to give 

839
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,800
a clue for it. 
I'm going to say that it's going

840
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,960
to be timely, but not about 
Valentine's Day. 

841
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,120
What else happens in February? 
No. 

842
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,840
Leap day, Leap year. 
Yeah, fun fact, I actually used 

843
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,400
to date somebody that was born 
on. 

844
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,920
Oh, really? 
So they're. 

845
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Like they were born on February 
29th, Yeah. 

846
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,480
Yeah, they're like 10 right now,
actually. 

847
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,920
No, I'm just kidding. 
Pretty. 

848
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:30,200
Much, yeah, so that you can look
forward to for next week. 

849
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,360
But this was a lot of fun. 
Thank you, Aaron, for informing 

850
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,440
us. 
And again, let us know in the 

851
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,840
comments what your love language
is. 

852
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,240
Let us know something that you 
want us to talk about on an 

853
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,720
episode. 
What's your hyperfixation? 

854
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,440
Let us know, I don't know just 
how you're getting through these

855
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,080
dark times that we're living 
through because we did touch on 

856
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,480
that this episode as well. 
And I think, you know, one thing

857
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,520
that we, sorry, briefly talked 
about is like, you were not sure

858
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,400
if you could even record today 
because of how heavy everything 

859
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,480
is. 
And I think everybody just don't

860
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,960
let them take our joy. 
We need to keep doing the things

861
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,360
that you love and just sitting 
around and wallowing is not 

862
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,400
going to change anything, so 
don't let them steal your joy. 

863
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,920
Yes, like Mr. Rogers says, also 
find the helpers. 

864
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,000
Yeah, look for the. 
Helpers. 

865
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,480
Yeah, look for the helpers. 
Be a helper. 

866
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,120
Yeah, for sure. 
Anyways, if you can, if you can 

867
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,080
in some way, I mean, that could 
be so many things. 

868
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,600
It doesn't mean that you have to
be like in Minneapolis to do 

869
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,480
anything, but there are ways 
that you can help support. 

870
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,480
Absolutely. 
Well, anyways, we'll see you 

871
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,840
next time. 
Until then, embrace the spiral. 

872
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,480
Stay curious. 
Bye. 

873
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,240
Bye the end. 
It's hyperfixation time.

