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Dwayne, we're back here. 
We are. 

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So you got 15 years in, 15 years
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what recovery? 
And you know, like I was telling

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you off air, we get a lot of 
people that talk about us using 

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the word recovered addict and 
they don't like the past tense 

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have recovered, you know, and 
and so my question to them is, 

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why can't you be like, like, 
why? 

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Like, why can't things be past 
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Or even more important? 
And you know about this, if we 

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just live in the present moment,
then there is no addiction. 

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That's very powerful, yes. 
What do I need outside of the 

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present moment? 
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Absolutely, absolutely nothing. 
And in the present moment, we're

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in communion with God. 
Yes. 

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So guess what happens there when
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then in that very moment we have
we're we're perfect. 

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We're just yeah, so, you know, 
for me, and so I kind of wanted 

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to break it down because people 
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bullshit. 
You know, so I kind of want to 

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do it more in like phases and 
how that happens to get 

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recovered. 
If we want to say, I think you 

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know, like foundational those 
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because you, you assist in help 
people on a weekly basis the 

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first year, you know, like 
that's where you're trying to 

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break the addiction cycle. 
And the problem that we have is 

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stabilizing biology. 
And so we got to stabilize 

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because your body's all fucked 
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But then you also have to build 
initial tools, if that makes 

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sense. 
What, what do you like? 

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I want you to kind of go, if you
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sitting across from somebody in 
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four months in five months and 
they got to try to get to the 

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year. 
What are some of those initial 

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tools that you share? 
Man, this is just such a 

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fantastic Ave. to head down. 
We have an array of tools at our

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disposal. 
Really what we got to start 

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discussing initially is the 
willingness to try something 

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different and we're really is to
try and behave counterintuitive 

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to our condition behavior that I
liked what you said initially 

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just about the body needing to 
stabilize Fool is just 

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understanding. 
I'm for the past however many 

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years I've been partaking in my 
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I'm in complete fight or flight 
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Yes, I'm in the sympathetic 
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I'm prepared for battle. 
My hormones are dumping 

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cortisol. 
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stress that just most people you
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and we think that is normal. 
We think that's a normal feeling

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to go through the world with 
anxiety, to go through the world

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irritable, to go to world and 
and pissed off we're not getting

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our way seeking control. 
That's a very normal existence 

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for an addict or alcoholic, 
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addiction. 
So it's a good tool to just 

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start to see my, my, my, my 
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This is I, I, it's very funny, 
you know, you start getting 

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these little slivers, these 
little intimations of a feeling 

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that, that this is so weird. 
What's going on here? 

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I'm not not feeling aggressive 
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What's happening to me? 
I've got three weeks. 

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Oh man, I got a month. 
What's it's like that's called 

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inner peace. 
You don't know what the fuck 

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that feels like. 
So we just initially a great 

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tool is just beginning to 
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There's a gauntlet. 
There are countless tools that 

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are available to us. 
We have to be honest. 

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We have to get serious about 
trying to be the best version of

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ourselves. 
Another important piece of our 

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understanding in regards to the 
reason we call ourselves 

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Recovered Addict podcast is, you
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Genesis, God ordered the world 
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So when we start to bring in 
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lives. 
I heard something the other day,

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bro. 
Just I've been, I've been 

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hitting it left and right as 
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Routine doesn't just help me 
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Routine helps me shape it. 
I started shaping my own world 

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with and order and discipline. 
Alcoholics are very 

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undisciplined. 
Addicts are very undisciplined. 

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We do the fuck we want whenever 
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chaos and we're fly by the seat 
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So we start bringing in a lot of
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We start bringing in a lot of 
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In that respect, I become my own
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And on the flip, on the on the 
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we'll get to here shortly, 
That's where we start to 

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articulate. 
I have recovered that chaos. 

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I've recovered from a hopeless 
state of mind and body broke. 

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We've been doing this so long, 
every single cell in our body 

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regenerates at least once every 
seven years now, even our bones.

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Now every single cell in my body
has regenerated at rated at 

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least twice since. 
I've been free from addiction, 

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free from alcohol, free from 
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My body is completely new. 
I'm not the same person anymore.

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Yeah. 
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that. 
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want because we're going to go 
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of what happens almost kind of 
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with you from your 15 years to 
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talking about. 
I think it's really important to

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commit to total abstinence. 
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Yeah. 
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can't teach you how to do like a
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teach you how to like let's 
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but not to go to the bar after, 
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Yes, yeah, I think this requires
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Absolute abstinence is the only 
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other people because the only 
stance that ever works for me. 

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Yeah, and I think for, for 
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important that if you're an 
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there's no, I'll just drink a 
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You know, it doesn't work. 
And #2 is, and we believe this 

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wholeheartedly, is a nutrient 
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Buy it. 
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recover, you've got to get 
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You've got to get Omega threes 
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You've been living on carbs as 
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Sugar and carbs, your friend. 
Yep, it's also, but it's. 

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A bad at friend. 
And I don't know why my tin goes

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from here to here, but I but I 
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night. 
Yes, yeah. 

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So Omega threes, proteins, 
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those nutrient dense diet full 
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day of exercise, whether it's 
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weights. 
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part. 
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benefits, the weight training, 
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cardio, the whatever. 
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It's like in yourself. 
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It's like a diamond was created 
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lot you got to you got to put 
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in order to emerge into 
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I start feeling good about the 
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I just accomplished. 
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have to take a substance in 
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order to yes, yes, powerful. 
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This is what I I created a whole
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it's so it's so productive, it's
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2 episodes on this. 
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So go back and watch those 
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The nutrient dense is huge. 
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consuming 250 grams of protein a
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Yeah, that's you would be 
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So how the heck do you eat 250 
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The answer is I eat a shit load 
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Yeah, exactly. 
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automatically start to stabilize
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alone internally you begin to 
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I want to get into the 
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We're going to stay mindful 
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side, but the mindful base is 
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understanding what relapse is, 
being mindful of that and then, 

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you know, adopting prevention 
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And then one thing that you did,
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talked about this a lot is 
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triggers and adopt. 
I'm going to use a word that a 

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lot of people don't know about a
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High agency is like, like you 
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man and I want to be this man, 
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But I, this is what the best of 
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I'm high agency. 
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version on here. 
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The introspection is so, so 
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If I have a it's very helpful to
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kicking my ass live someplace 
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So I'm giving myself a chance to
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very stressful, anxiety ridden 
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angry emotions that I'm very 
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I'm giving them somewhere else 
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live is on is on paper. 
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This isn't a keyboard deal, this
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phone deal, although those 
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For me, it was, it was pen meets
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Something very spiritual happens
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Now I have an honest appraisal, 
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so it's not. 
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navigate muddy water. 
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picture of these are the issues.
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Jay, I know we'll jump into the 
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me was I saw I was writing. 
I saw I was taught right. 

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The issue immediately bringing 
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like God, I need your help or 
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I didn't know it then, but I was
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relationship with a God that I 
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Yes, yes, through writing. 
It was like God my pen, yes. 

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Yeah, 100% and it's so funny. 
Right here at my desk. 

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Here is my my journal and then 
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scripture. 
That's awesome, So. 

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Just what you said a journal 
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And then I always want to take 
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in some way. 
It always touches me, you know, 

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and so for me, you know, it's 
it's Jesus's teachings. 

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You know, I love our the Psalms,
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something like that. 
Those are what I go into and 

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that leads us into spiritual 
define a how a higher power, our

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purpose in in in a one cent 
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What is what is higher power or 
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Is it being of service? 
Is it being is it is it having 

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truth? 
Like I'm going to live truth? 

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I'm I fucking live for a decade.
I lived, you know, false 

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bullshit. 
So whatever, but come up with 

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that one sentence statement. 
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I'll let I also think what we're
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meditation or prayer. 
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Prayer is meditation. 
It's just active. 

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You know, whether you're doing 
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You don't have to sit there and 
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be an addict, that doesn't work.
You're not going to be able to 

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sit there and be still, but you 
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Yeah, absolutely didn't work for
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The sit across like there is a 
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can do it, but that didn't that 
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The meditation I found work best
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on the bike. 
I put yes, put prayer or 

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meditation in my headphones, in 
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And then I put on beautiful 
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happen in my den, like whatever 
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it's beautiful nature images all
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wonders, blah blah. 
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as I'm listening to my prayer to
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mantra. 
I have the parents have the 

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meditation. 
Just like you said, praying is 

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meditating. 
Meditating is praying for me. 

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They really bleed together like 
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and did some of the mantras that
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Are that purpose are that 
meaning that you discuss, find 

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it, find a higher power that you
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And then a purpose. 
What's your purpose? 

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What your, what you, what are 
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What you're calling? 
What do you call to do is to 

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light you up on the inside. 
There needs to be a resonation 

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needs to resonate inside of you.
If it puts a shit eating grin on

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your face, that's a good sign. 
That's like, oh, I'm heading in 

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the right direction here. 
One of the ones that works very 

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well for me is I expand an 
infinite love, abundance and 

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success. 
I extend an infinite love, 

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abundance and success and I hit 
it over and over and over again.

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Thank you God for this moment. 
Thank you God for this moment. 

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We know the undercurrent of the 
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present moment, be angry about 
what happened yesterday. 

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I'm not trying to be fearful 
about what's going to happen 

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tomorrow. 
I'm trying to honor the present 

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moment where all power exists. 
That's the only place I can 

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touch God. 
And in the present moment, as 

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you got for this moment, thank 
you God for this moment. 

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So we start touching genuine 
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We start building a relationship
with the thing that's powerful 

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enough to heal our addiction. 
That's the thing that pulls a 

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stock from the gates of death. 
That's the thing that changed my

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behavior. 
Order routine, invite God into 

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that process. 
It's super powerful. 

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I became a new person, bro. 
That's how we become recovered. 

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Yeah, it's 100%. 
And, and I want to give people 

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in this stage, this one year 
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going to go to phase two. 
But 4K PIS or keep performance 

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indicators, however you want to 
say it, Four things that you 

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know you can grade yourself off 
of #1 is 365 days of abstinence.

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You already fucked yourself. 
That hasn't happened. 

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So start from zero, start on one
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365, you know, so that's the 
first one because a year can 

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start. 
You know, you can start a year 

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anytime. 
If you if you if you commit to 

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this today, you can start your 
year right now. 

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It doesn't have to wait till 
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And then you need had to have 50
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That's one almost every week. 
Maybe you're sick two weeks. 

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So you don't go, but you either 
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really sick. 
If you don't, you have to make a

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commitment. 
If you do not have a flu or 

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you're not super sick or you're 
going to hurt somebody else, you

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go to a meeting period once a 
week and then 80% diet, exercise

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appearance. 
So, you know, you can look at 

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that and be like, fuck, I 
haven't gone to a meeting in two

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weeks. 
Well, instantly, you know what I

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need to do, You know, our, our 
shit. 

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I've, I've gotten off my diet. 
I need to go back on to this 

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because any one of these things 
and then #4 of course is what we

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just talked about, you know, is 
prayer, meditation, 

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affirmations, you know, having 
that spiritual side. 

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So if you're out on any of those
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lead you to falling off the 
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Absolutely. 
If you stick with those four 

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things, you're going to do good.
You could you could just bracket

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that and say this is a program 
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If you follow, if you take these
actions, you have a very high 

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likelihood of there is 
successful sobriety. 

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I like live 15 years later. 
It's by the grace of God, my 

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life is bigger than it's ever 
been, and that was accomplished 

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one day at a time, one day at a 
yes. 

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When shit gets heavy, it's an 
hour at a time. 

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When she gets super heavy, it's 
a minute at a time. 

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The prayers literally next right
thing, next right thing. 

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God help me to do the next right
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God help me do the next right 
thing. 

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And then that that that you 
nailed it with the the support 

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group. 
It's what a minimum once a week 

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you have to be plugged in to a 
community have to be plugged 

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into a support group. 
What that really sounds like is 

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do not isolate. 
Yes, yes, us, us alone and our 

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problems. 
Me Dwayne and Dwayne's mind are 

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not the best playmates. 
They don't up with the best 

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idea, right? 
Right. 

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I need to be plugged into other 
people that didn't call me on my

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shit, but also other other 
people that are going to provide

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me with wisdom. 
Wisdom is collected. 

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That's oh good. 
That's so good. 

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If I if I was big enough to get 
sober by myself I would have 

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fucking done it like. 100%, 
yeah. 

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We all need help and it's 
totally OK to just start where 

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you're at, improve that diet and
and and exercise. 

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Shoot for 80%. 
You just have a high aim. 

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Just head in that direction. 
We're going to fuck it up every 

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single day, but at least I have 
an aim. 

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At least I have a direction. 
And if that prayer, meditation, 

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building a relationship with 
higher power, bro, if, if, if, 

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if you do all of those things as
a way of life, We say I'm 

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recovered. 
I, I have had I have experienced

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recovery sufficient enough to 
bring about a personality shift.

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I'm a different person. 
Like my personality has 

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literally changed my walk. 
I grew up in the in the same 

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town and we actually grew up 
across the street from each 

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other going to high school. 
Wow. 

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Bro, we didn't go to the same 
high school, but we did with our

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high schools. 
River did right down the street 

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from each other. 
Santa Fe is a small city, you 

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know what I mean? 
Like everyone kind of knows 

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everyone. 
We never met when and I say 

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thank God because that's what I 
did the majority of my drinking.

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And if I had met her then there 
she wouldn't want to have 

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anything to do with me. 
Nobody wanted anything to do 

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with me. 
I'm a different person. 

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Like she met me at the right 
time. 

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That's awesome. 
Yeah. 

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Let's get into phase two. 
This is great, bro. 

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We're you're nailing it. 
So this is years 2:00 to 5:00. 

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This is that consolidation, the 
rewiring of the neural and the 

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psychological patterns and the 
solidifying of your purpose and 

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your restoration to 
functionality in life. 

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So biologically, you're still 
maintaining abstinence. 

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So that's that's kicking. 
You're hopefully you're doing 

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your diet and your exercise. 
The reason you have to do diet 

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and exercise and why it's so 
important, I would put it up 

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there super high as far as not 
relapsing is because you must 

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normalize dopamine and you have 
to keep the epigenetics going 

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and I know you could talk about 
that. 

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Yeah, absolutely, man. 
There's a new form of science. 

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It's fucking. 
We can literally turn on new 

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cells, new proteins in our genes
dependent upon our environment. 

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And the question that arises 
from that's like, Oh my God. 

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And then the the epigenetics is 
actually finding those new 

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cells, those new genes can be 
passed down. 

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Yes. 
Yes, from generation to 

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generation, which is absolutely 
exciting, but the point of OK, 

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the environment turning on my 
genes, the question that arises 

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is what's my environment? 
What type of environment am I 

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creating? 
Am I creating a world where I 

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have higher power and I can lean
on something bigger than myself?

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Am I creating a world where I'm 
prioritizing inner peace and 

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service to others? 
Am I creating a world where I 

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have a purpose in my life and 
I'm and I'm high functioning, I 

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actually have a job that I show 
up to. 

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I feel good that I've 
accomplished my workouts. 

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I feel healthier in my body 
because I'm nailing my protein 

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goals, my nutrition goals. 
Is that the environment I'm 

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creating? 
Or am I creating an environment 

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where I'm terrified because I 
didn't show up for work? 

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There's empty bottles all around
me that I don't know who's at 

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the front door? 
I'm pretty afraid to answer 

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because it might be the cops, it
might be the landlords. 

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I don't fucking know. 
I don't want an answer. 

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I'm hiding under the sheets, you
know what I mean? 

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What? 
What environment am I creating? 

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What genes am I turning on that 
epigenetics is a fucking 

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superpower right now for us, We 
can turn the volume up on 

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healing. 
We can turn the volume up on 

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getting well and being high 
functioning. 

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And then you know, very well, 
bro, addicts are the best 

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entrepreneurs there are. 
Like yes. 

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If you turn that energy. 
Yes, take that desire, that 

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energy to get loaded and 
redirect it into recovery. 

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Bro you're. 
Unstoppable, unstoppable. 

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This is really cool because I 
think in these in these, these 

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years that's happening from a 
psychological standpoint, I feel

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this can sometimes not be it. 
It this victim mindset can still

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come out years 2 through 5. 
And what I believe we should be 

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doing, and I know you're going 
to agree 100% is what you're 

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talking about is we need to 
embrace a creator identity. 

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Oh yeah, we're creators now. 
Absolutely. 

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We, we. 
Well, this is what we've been 

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discussing the entire time 
prompted. 

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Very simple. 
This is right. 

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I talked to about the people 
that I try and help, especially 

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the clients that I have at the 
gym. 

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Are you the victim of your life,
creator of your life? 

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That answer is simple for us. 
It's just tough. 

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If I'm if I'm serious about 
getting into into and having 

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long term recovery, if I'm 
serious about that, that means 

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I'm also willing to take 100% 
responsibility for what's going 

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on in my hand. 
Yeah, yeah, it's. 

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Not slice and surroundings and 
my environment. 

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It's my environment. 
Starts here with my head. 

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If I'm willing to tear 100% 
responsibility, that also means 

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we start paying attention to our
thoughts, those victim thoughts,

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those fear thoughts, those if 
only she was different, I would 

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be OK Thoughts those are 
delusions aren't. 

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That is not reality. 
I'm playing the victim when I'm 

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lost up here in the itty bitty 
shitty committee and I'm hoping 

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and I'm hoping the whole world 
was behave Dwyane's Wade. 

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It's just a losing strategy. 
A better strategy for us, of 

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course, is self sacrifice for 
the future. 

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I'm going to make a sacrificial 
decision now, which might look 

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like going to a meeting. 
I'm going to make a sacrificial 

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decision now that might look 
like take 35 minutes and go to 

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the fucking gym. 
I'm going to take a sacrificial 

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decision now and say take my ass
to the grocery store and buy 

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some food on the around on the 
outer perimeter of the grocery 

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by home. 
Get some fucking eggs, get some 

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fresh veggies, get nothing 
frozen, nothing in the middle or

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a yellow box. 
I'm going to take a sacrificial 

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decision now, which is going to 
benefit future doing later. 

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We're the only creatures on 
planet Earth that can do that, 

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Jake. 
We're the only creatures that 

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can plan for the future and then
take action. 

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Well, we have a creator and he 
put in US the ability to create.

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Yes, that's our identity. 
Our your true identity is to be 

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pure creator. 
And I, I want to say this, yes, 

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from a spiritual aspect, in 
these years, you're going to 

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forgive past mistakes, truly 
forgive. 

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You're going to work on 
forgiveness because you're going

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to be more mature. 
You're going to be able to do 

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that. 
And then, and, and I want you to

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talk about this, Dwayne, you're 
going to frame addiction as a 

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teacher, not as you're not a 
victim anymore. 

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You have a creator identity. 
So the framing, the reframing, 

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the reprogramming of addiction 
becomes that that addiction past

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tense. 
Was a teacher, Absolutely bro. 

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So so powerful. 
I know we're throwing a lot of 

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people quickly, addicts and 
Alcoholics, once they commit to 

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a recovery program and start 
doing the deal and living this 

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way of life we are fucking 
phenomenal at. 

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I mean yes, throwing absolute 
shit into gold. 

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Make absolute shit and transmute
it into gold. 

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Ow on earth was hell. 
All that pain, all that 

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destruction that I experienced 
as an active alcoholic, how is 

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00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,960
that today one of my greatest 
assets? 

451
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,480
It's something I do not regret. 
It's something that I do not 

452
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,360
want to try and turn my back to.
I don't regret it. 

453
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,360
How? 
How can I make it useful for me 

454
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,360
today? 
Well, looks like stuff like this

455
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,680
looks like doing a podcast where
we're trying to be of service to

456
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,920
other. 
It looks like extending out the 

457
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,040
hand of help, letting other 
people know that this life is 

458
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,640
available, available for you. 
Getting, getting better, having 

459
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,560
improvement, getting healthy and
living well is available for 

460
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,720
you. 
Jason's done it. 

461
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,720
I've done it. 
There's a way out We can show 

462
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,840
you a way out we want. 
Yeah, I lost. 

463
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,400
Yes. 
That's so good bro. 

464
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,720
I also want people to understand
year three-year 4 now, since you

465
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,520
are a creator and you're creator
now, it's time to take that 

466
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,280
social community leadership 
role. 

467
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,480
And how you do that is to become
a sponsor. 

468
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,760
Talk about talk about helping 
someone else and how much that's

469
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,160
helped you, Dwayne, by helping 
other addicts. 

470
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,520
You know, it's a very powerful 
spiritual paradox to say 

471
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,480
something like I cannot transmit
something I don't have. 

472
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,880
So if I want to try and teach 
somebody spiritual principles, I

473
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,840
need to know those spiritual 
principles myself. 

474
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,360
So there's an initial self 
improvement that takes place, 

475
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,800
but it doesn't come full circle.
It's like, what's the point? 

476
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,480
Good for you, Dwayne. 
You got a lot of knowledge. 

477
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,720
Right, right. 
Yes, yeah. 

478
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,240
What's the? 
Fucking point. 

479
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,440
If I'm not sharing that with 
other people and trying to also 

480
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,120
enrich their lives, it's like, 
it's like, we're so selfish, 

481
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,720
brother. 
It's like I said, if I said 

482
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,160
Jason and I, how are you doing? 
And you said, oh, hey, doing 

483
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,160
good. 
And you say I'm making a 

484
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,520
sandwich and you say, Hey, can I
have half of your sandwich? 

485
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,640
And I was like, well, I don't. 
I'm kind of planning on eating 

486
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,800
all of it. 
And and that's how selfish we 

487
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,440
are, bro. 
That's how addicts behave. 

488
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,960
But an idea, an idea or 
principle is not like that is I 

489
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,960
can say, hey, Jay, look at this 
idea. 

490
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,920
You and I do this all the time. 
Listen to this idea I just 

491
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,400
heard. 
I can share an idea with you. 

492
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,680
You get to keep 100% of the idea
and I get to keep 100% of the 

493
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,600
idea. 
We both benefit. 

494
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,640
And so we again again back to 
Genesis broke 11, God created 

495
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,120
the earth out of chaos. 
We start creating this helpful 

496
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,440
relationship where we're of 
service to other people. 

497
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,080
I'm creating a world where I'm 
actually here to help. 

498
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,440
I show up with the idea. 
What can I bring to the table 

499
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,320
rather than what do you have for
me? 

500
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,920
And when I do that, I start to 
feel good about the man I am. 

501
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,840
I set to light up on the inside.
It feels way better than 

502
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,120
stealing your wallet and then 
trying to help you look for it 

503
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,440
after. 
Yes, you're embarrassed when I 

504
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,000
do that kind of shit. 
Dude, I love that that you went 

505
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,200
to Genesis 1-1 something I heard
John 11, you know, in the New 

506
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Testament, John 11 that says it 
says it says in the beginning 

507
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,720
was the word and the word is low
is logos. 

508
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,160
Logos is the universal laws. 
And when you go against them, 

509
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,920
guess what, they don't care. 
They're you're going to you go 

510
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,040
against the universal law, it's 
going to smack you back. 

511
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,560
That's the law. 
That's how it is. 

512
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,960
It's a law. 
If you speed and there's a cop, 

513
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,560
he can pull you over. 
It's the law there then you 

514
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,040
could do it's a law. 
So in the beginning, before 

515
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,160
there was order, there was the 
law and then the law as the 

516
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,560
Spirit. 
Genesis 1/3 says the Spirit 

517
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,280
moved upon the water, you know, 
and then conserves without form 

518
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,400
and void and, and then through 
the law, God came in through 

519
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,400
with that with the Holy Spirit 
and then brought order. 

520
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,800
So you know, what's the water 
the. 

521
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,760
Water is chaos. 
God ordered the chaos with the 

522
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,680
law. 
We start, but you got to. 

523
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,040
You got to have chaos, bro. 
You got to have water to have 

524
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,680
birth. 
Absolutely did. 

525
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,040
We need both. 
We need in the end and we, it's 

526
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,040
our job to just thread the line.
We want to, we want to be on, 

527
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,400
you know, the proper balance of 
each. 

528
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,440
However, for addicts, it's just 
fucking chaos all the time. 

529
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,880
I've been drowning for a while. 
That's not a drink, that's a 

530
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,200
flood. 
Yes, yeah, 100%. 

531
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,360
The last thing I want to talk 
about in this phase two before 

532
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,280
we get into phase three, which 
is mastery phase two, I think 

533
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,560
it's really important to 
understand that you need to when

534
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,040
you're start looking at yeah, 
I'm going to meetings regularly.

535
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,720
I have spiritual practices, I'm 
working out, I'm eating good. 

536
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,480
You know, I'm big, took a 
leadership role, I'm mentoring, 

537
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,360
you know, someone else. 
Something that can really help 

538
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:38,480
you is at least have two plus 
super meaningful restored 

539
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,480
relationships at that time. 
Three to five years, 2 to 3:00 

540
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,080
to 5:00 years. 
If you've been consistent and 

541
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,320
has had that amount of 
abstinence, you can introduce 

542
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,680
yourself back into 
relationships. 

543
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,920
You've earned the right. 
Absolutely, you know, and it 

544
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,640
with the proper guidance. 
The the most important 

545
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,840
suggestion is that we don't do 
those type of things alone. 

546
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,720
We have proper guidance, just 
like you said, with appropriate 

547
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,560
mentorship and someone guiding 
me through this process in 

548
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,240
regards to restoring these 
relationships that the the 

549
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,400
healing, the miracle of healing 
that it takes place is so 

550
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,760
powerful, bro, because I get to 
come to these these individuals 

551
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,640
that I harmed in the past and 
say I was wrong. 

552
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,240
Is there anything I can do to 
make it right? 

553
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,920
Then I also get to say this is 
me making a commitment to never 

554
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,600
be that type of man again. 
And then the deal with that is I

555
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,720
actually have to change. 
I actually have to not be that 

556
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,880
type of man again. 
So I have to really go there 

557
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,240
with a sincere desire to be 
different. 

558
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,760
And this is just such a fucking 
huge, beautiful thing, bro. 

559
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,320
Because on one-on-one, from one 
perspective, I come to them 

560
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,880
different and they learn to, you
know, OK. 

561
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,520
Over time, my actions can 
rebuild trust. 

562
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,600
It's very powerful. 100% a much 
better version of me, right? 

563
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,880
This is the alchemy. 
This is the God starts to fill 

564
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,600
our hearts. 
What also takes places? 

565
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,800
Well, the best version of them 
gets to step forward also 

566
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,680
because they don't have to be in
a flight or fight around. 

567
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,560
Me and. 
They have to be terrified of 

568
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,040
what Dwayne is going to do. 
When is he going to fly off the 

569
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,880
handle? 
When's he going to grab a 

570
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,360
bottle? 
The best version of them gets to

571
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,480
step forward because now they 
can just exist around me. 

572
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,120
Yeah, have to be afraid. 
That is like the heart gets 

573
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,720
filled up. 
And actually our recovery 

574
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,480
benefits the people closest to 
us this week. 

575
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,960
Give them that opportunity. 
They start to get better. 

576
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,880
I love that I love that I want 
to get into phase 3 here. 

577
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,160
The mastery part, whether that's
if you're a go getter, that's 

578
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,480
year 6, if you're, if it may 
take you 10 years, like we're 

579
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,800
still, you know, you've been, 
you know, free for 15 years. 

580
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,680
I have food addiction. 
So I still face that here and 

581
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,600
there. 
But it's not, you know, I make 

582
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,480
my meals, eat my meals, do my 
thing. 

583
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,880
I mean, you've known me for a 
long time. 

584
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,080
When I do have, when I do have 
something, it's intentional, 

585
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,600
it's purposeful. 
And it's a tin, you know, and I 

586
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,360
make sure, yeah, I make sure 
it's a tin. 

587
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,400
If it's not a tin, I don't need 
it. 

588
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,960
If it's garbage, I'm not going 
to need any of that stuff. 

589
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,880
But no fast food ton of that 
stuff. 

590
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,520
So what we look at with mastery 
is This Is Us living a purpose 

591
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,120
driven high impact life. 
And it's us that we have 

592
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,080
integrated all the addictions 
lessons into our life because it

593
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,920
was a big teacher for us. 
It was one of those big teachers

594
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,520
that came along in our life. 
How we we've learned the lessons

595
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,760
of those and we're integrating 
them in what we do daily. 

596
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,360
Recognize OOP, that that's a 
past thought. 

597
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,400
OOP Yeah. 
And of that, that's that's an 

598
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,320
addictive thought. 
I don't even want to go near 

599
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,560
that fucker and I I want to get 
into, you know, biological. 

600
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,800
This is sustained abstinence, 
like you said, all the cells in 

601
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,960
your body. 
So if you are thinking about it,

602
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,160
then it's just thought in your 
head. 

603
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,040
It has no power, there's nothing
there. 

604
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,480
Your cells are completely clean 
and then health routines for you

605
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,560
want to have you still. 
It takes a long time, especially

606
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,600
if you use drugs. 
It takes a long time to get a 

607
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,080
baseline brain function that's 
healthy. 

608
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920
So, you know, drinking tons of 
water, you drink a lot of water.

609
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,040
I drink a lot of water. 
I've got my big water jug. 

610
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,840
These are, I got BCAAS here that
I put in here, you know, for 

611
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,920
after working out, you know, so 
we're, we're constantly drinking

612
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,320
water. 
These are this is what's going 

613
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,480
to help help your brain and your
brain, your brain's way slower 

614
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,520
to heal then especially if you 
did meth or you did a ton of 

615
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,840
pills. 
Yes. 

616
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,480
And then, you know, at this 
level, you're monitoring stress,

617
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,240
fatigue and you're getting it 
medical annual checkups, you're 

618
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,280
getting your blood done and 
you're practicing, you know, 

619
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,240
mindfulness, You're you're 
practicing a spiritual practice.

620
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,680
This is what I want you to talk 
about because I think it's so 

621
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,160
important. 
A lot of people have a hard time

622
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,120
and this happens like I talked 
to people still and they still 

623
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,040
haven't done this. 
And that's releasing shame. 

624
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,520
And I put this at the end 
because I feel like a lot of 

625
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,440
people are stuck in this and it 
takes years and years and years.

626
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,640
And I think that's that's why 
they say I'm still recovering or

627
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,560
you could never say that you're 
recovered because it's the shame

628
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,040
of the addiction. 
Does that make sense, Dwayne? 

629
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,040
I still am feeling shame of 
addiction. 

630
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,440
It makes sense. 
However, I would also just 

631
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,600
suggest that this is more of a 
lineage definition. 

632
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,880
It's kind of the way people are 
taught to approach recovery. 

633
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,120
If you are taught you will never
recover from this, your 

634
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,400
addiction is in the parking lot 
doing pushups waiting for you. 

635
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,520
Which I agree with. 
Like if I started drinking 

636
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,560
today, I know that I'm not going
to have one. 

637
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,240
Not not really interested. 
I've never been interested in 

638
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,000
it. 
But the point is there may be 

639
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,360
many reasons people would be 
have a issue with our language 

640
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,280
of recovered addict. 
I would totally agree that some 

641
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:58,160
of the shame surrounding my past
behavior would propel me to be 

642
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,680
very serious about my perception
of my disease. 

643
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Like I as alcoholic, I will 
never be recovered from this. 

644
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,880
And a certain point, bro, we're 
kind of like at semantics. 

645
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,640
It's kind of like, well, that's 
the language choosing to use. 

646
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,480
However, you're not behaving the
same way you used to. 

647
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,560
We one, one of the things that I
teach are most of the people I 

648
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,960
work with is pain. 
And this is not my language. 

649
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,600
This comes from, from literature
that we, we, we just love pain. 

650
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,480
Is we've talked about this. 
We did a podcast on this. 

651
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,720
Pain is the touchstone to all 
spiritual growth. 

652
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,840
Most people I've felt many 
years, I thought touchstone 

653
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,360
meant like cornerstone, like, 
oh, I have to be in pain to grow

654
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,680
spiritually. 
That's what a touchstone is. 

655
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040
And it's like, no, that's not 
what touchstone. 

656
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,160
And I actually have to look it 
up. 

657
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,760
A touchstone is a tool that was 
used by miners doing the gold 

658
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,240
rush and they would rub it on 
other rocks. 

659
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,080
It was a stone that they would 
rub on other rocks to see if the

660
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,160
rock was gold, it to see if it 
had the color. 

661
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,600
So is the test to all spiritual 
growth? 

662
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,960
Am I behaving the same way or am
I doing something different? 

663
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,480
The way I used to behave was 
pouring alcohol down my throat 

664
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,199
and not showing up for work. 
What I'm being different now is 

665
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,280
how about a little bit of prayer
about that? 

666
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,800
Can I ask God to enter and 
soften my heart? 

667
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,600
What am I doing different? 
Can I go to the gym and take out

668
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,440
some stress and anger on the 
weights and I call someone that 

669
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,719
I trust? 
Hey Jay, can I bounce something 

670
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,360
off you right now? 
I'm getting my fucking ass 

671
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,840
kicked. 
Do I have support? 

672
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,120
So if I'm taking different 
action when I'm in pain, I'll 

673
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,600
recovering nothing. 
That behavior leads us into that

674
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,040
mastery. 
I would ideally like that to 

675
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,520
permeate every area of my life. 
Yes, yes, yeah, 100%. 

676
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,560
I think 1 of the big things too 
in this is people, of course we 

677
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,199
talked before. 
So this is somebody that's 

678
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,880
advanced, they have a purpose, 
they're driven, they're doing 

679
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,960
these things. 
But it's not until we start to 

680
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,040
develop a clear mission and live
a clear mission. 

681
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,000
You've got to gain clarity in 
your mission. 

682
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,960
You've got to know what your, 
what is your mission because it 

683
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,880
may not be the job that you're 
at right now. 

684
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,640
It may be you being maybe an 
entrepreneur or maybe starting 

685
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,000
your own business. 
Maybe it's you doing 2 jobs at 

686
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000
the same time. 
Maybe it's, it's not being in 

687
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,880
the relationship that you, maybe
you've spiritually outgrown the 

688
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,600
person that you're with. 
You know, a lot of people don't 

689
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,880
have clarity, and you need 
clarity if you want to continue 

690
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,760
being recovered. 
Absolutely, yeah. 

691
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,320
Otherwise, you know, you wander 
around in the desert, it's 

692
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,560
Exodus. 
All in Lost, it's Exodus, man. 

693
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,120
It's like. 
The tiny we. 

694
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,520
Got away. 
We got away from the tyrant. 

695
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,400
Alcohol. 
But then we're in the desert. 

696
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,280
It's like I don't know what I 
am. 

697
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,680
I'm wandering around lost. 
So I have to have clarity, like 

698
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,280
you said, I have to have high 
aim. 

699
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,280
I have to have vision. 
Moses came down from Sinai with 

700
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,800
the Decalogue and said be this, 
do these 10 things and they 

701
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,880
became a people. 
Then they came Israel. 

702
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,400
They became yes, yes, they had a
high aim. 

703
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,040
These 10 things. 
We're going to goof it up every 

704
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,160
day. 
We're going to miss the mark, 

705
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,000
right, But at least I have 
direction ahead and be very 

706
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,680
clear on your mission. 
Be very clear on your your 

707
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,600
purpose. 
Be very clear on the thing that 

708
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,200
lights you up. 
What do you love during most bro

709
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,480
you and I? 
Yes, there you go. 

710
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,960
Made have made businesses 
surrounding what we like doing 

711
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,680
most. 
Why would you do that? 

712
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,040
Why would you want to do it? 
Does that answer is simple. 

713
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:31,520
That's when I feel most alive. 
That's when I'm creating. 

714
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,040
That's about Genesis bro. 
God told Adam you. 

715
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,080
You named the cattle. 
You do it. 

716
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,240
You order the world. 
You, you, you put things in 

717
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:45,680
their proper place. 
We're our own little atoms, our 

718
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,720
own little world. 
But without an aim. 

719
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,640
There's no fucking way I'm going
to do that. 

720
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,520
I'm wondering where I'm lost. 
Dude, and that's that's so 

721
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,760
important. 
I want you know, people that 

722
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,800
have struggled with addiction to
understand this. 

723
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,960
When you get into these levels 
of year 678910, it is time for 

724
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,120
you to be done with the shame 
and start looking with the 

725
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,360
lessons that you've learned at 
high impact work. 

726
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,440
Trust me, you're being fearful. 
You have the ability if you 

727
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,680
conquered addiction, you have 
the ability to do high impact 

728
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,560
work. 
You should be making great 

729
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,920
money. 
You should be doing something 

730
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,480
amazing if it's if it's if you 
just doing construction start a 

731
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,200
construction company, whatever 
it may be like you said, 

732
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,440
whatever lights your passion up,
go do it. 

733
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,800
Maybe you do it part time. 
Maybe you do it on the weekends.

734
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,400
You got plenty of time you don't
need. 

735
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,080
We high impact people like you 
and I and what we've learned and

736
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,520
and do we don't we don't waste 
time It's not like we we're 

737
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,240
working. 
Where do you work? 

738
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,720
You work your ass off, bro. 
What time do you get up in the 

739
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,600
morning? 
Yeah 3:00 AM. 

740
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,800
You're getting up at 3, AMI 
feel. 

741
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,280
I feel bad now that I get up at 
5:00 AM, but there's still tons 

742
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,120
of people sleeping. 
Yeah, there's still. 

743
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,880
Doors of equal you work way 
later than I worked. 

744
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,960
Though, so it's yeah, yeah, I'll
work till 10 or 11 or whatever, 

745
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,800
or I'll have my laptop while I'm
watching, you know, watch 

746
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,320
something on YouTube and have my
laptop. 

747
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,520
But I warn people real quickly 
broke. 

748
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,360
Take it back off of what you're 
saying in regards to this shame 

749
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,720
because it is so important. 
The high impact work helps me 

750
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:19,480
transmute that shame into gold. 
I'm I'm no longer ashamed of 

751
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,800
that bad behavior in the past 
because that experience can now 

752
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,680
help somebody else. 
I can come to someone hurting, 

753
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,080
bro. 
I can come to someone broken and

754
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,240
bleeding and say, hey, I've been
there too. 

755
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,600
Yeah, I did that also. 
Yeah. 

756
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,800
And I know what it feels like to
behave that way. 

757
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Let me show you the way out, or 
let me offer you a path that 

758
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,920
worked. 
Yeah, I went to the redwoods, 

759
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,680
you know, the Redwood forest, 
and I always encourage everybody

760
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,160
to go there. 
And it's so neat to see these 

761
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,240
huge monster trees that's been 
around for thousands of years, 

762
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,880
but they have some that are cut 
off and they're bigger than, you

763
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,880
know, then they're like 12 feet 
around, you know, and there's 

764
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,400
tree rings in there. 
And I want you to understand 

765
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,920
that your addiction, your pain, 
your suffering, the trauma of 

766
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,600
experience, everything, they're 
just tree rings. 

767
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,160
That's all they are. 
It's just showing you the years 

768
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,640
of what you've gone through. 
But those tree rings, it was 

769
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,600
really interesting. 
Park Ranger was talking about 

770
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,000
this. 
He goes, that's what creates the

771
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,960
stability in the tree. 
And each of those rings are what

772
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,600
it went through that year or 
multiple years. 

773
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,000
But the wind, the storms, 
everything that goes on, it 

774
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,360
didn't blow the tree down. 
It just made the tree stronger. 

775
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,280
It needs that. 
You'll get a really weak tree if

776
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,240
you don't have it from when it's
it has to have the winds and 

777
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:30,160
storms and everything, you know,
And yeah, we all may be Jonah 

778
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,600
and the whale may come, but the 
whales, the addiction. 

779
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,520
But what happened? 
It's spit him out. 

780
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,000
I couldn't even handle him. 
You know we're so powerful 

781
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,360
creators that Addiction can't 
even handle us. 

782
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,760
That's right. 
That's exactly right. 

783
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,920
Then the whales spit Jonah out 
when he said yes to his 

784
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,080
responsibility, Said OK, yes 
I'll do this. 

785
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,600
Yeah, you think that that bottle
is like a whale that's just 

786
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,840
surrounding and you're stuck 
inside of it, but that's 

787
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,200
bullshit. 
And then why then Jonah went 

788
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,440
right to a mission, and he saved
the whole town. 

789
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,440
He. 
Said the town of people he 

790
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,680
hated. 
Exactly, he's like a racist that

791
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,840
wouldn't do it that it saves 
everybody. 

792
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,440
Dude, It's that's how powerful 
you are too. 

793
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,440
You're just you're just tree 
rings and so don't have shame 

794
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,080
over a fucking tree ring. 
Learn it and understand it. 

795
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,280
Say I've gone through more 
bullshit than most people have 

796
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,120
and guess what? 
That makes me a high impact 

797
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,880
person and I can do high impact 
work. 

798
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,320
I can be successful. 
I can, I can buy rentals, I can 

799
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,400
buy stocks. 
I can buy cryptocurrency. 

800
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,880
I can, I can do. 
I can work as in the C-Suite or 

801
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,840
I can own multiple businesses 
like you do. 

802
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,320
You can do this. 
I was homeless. 

803
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,120
Dwayne was on the side of the 
road with Bloody. 

804
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000
Yeah, absolutely, man. 
That's why we call it recovered 

805
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,160
ad is because we're nothing. 
We're we, we've come so far, 

806
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,680
bro. 
We we're different. 

807
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,360
I'm not that Jason. 
No. 

808
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Yeah, that that Jason's gone. 
Well, Dwayne, this has been 

809
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,240
great. 
This has been awesome. 45 

810
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:51,280
minutes. 
We hammered it. 

811
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,480
So this, this you're going to 
have to listen to like multiple 

812
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,160
times, guys. 
It's always an honor being with 

813
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,040
you guys. 
Invest in yourself. 

814
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,520
That's the only person I'm 
willing to invest in, at least 

815
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,520
when it's set and getting nasty.
You know what I mean? 

816
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,880
The only person I want to invest
in is me and God.

