1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,560 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,640 My name is Ryan. And I'm Char Asnabel. 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,680 And today we're joined by a couple of very special guests. 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,680 We have Charlotte and Binary here today. 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,760 How are you? How are you guys doing? 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,800 Good. Good. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,240 Thanks for coming on the show. Stoked to have you of. 8 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:35,480 Course, thanks for having us on. Yeah. 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,000 And for those out there who might not know who either of you 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,520 are, who who, who the heck are you? 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Let's start with Charlotte. I do data entry for my uncle, 12 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:51,560 that's who I. Am cool, cool, cool, cool. 13 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,560 And what what might people have known you from with your 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,200 previous works? I've made Daisy chainsaw and 15 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,440 rose thorn keep and celestial bodies. 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,440 Game saw excited for that and people tomorrow might be excited 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,640 for it as well for some reason. And binary star games? 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,480 How? How are you and what might 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,040 people know you from? Well, I'm binary star. 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,000 He, him. That's my real name. 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,040 You might know me from running Binary Star games as mentioned 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,720 specifically, you might know Apocalypse Frame. 23 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,000 You might might know Value and Horizon. 24 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,520 Most recently I put out corpse layers. 25 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,640 I put a lot of shit I don't know. 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,280 I guess I made celestial bodies too. 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,160 I guess that counts you. Like the backbone of celestial 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,560 bodies. And celestial bodies, yeah, 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,760 we're, we're going to get to celestial bodies because 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,080 obviously that's kind of the main reason why we're here. 31 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,760 It's why there's a logo next to my head that you guys can't see. 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,080 But that kind of went crazy on Itch, and we'll get to that. 33 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,720 But as I just kind of alluded to a second ago, people might be 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,160 excited for Daisy Chainsaw. We actually did an episode on 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,400 Daisy Chainsaw on Friday that's going to release tomorrow 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,039 because I worked all weekend. But what's funny is before we 37 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:15,360 started the show we were talking as we always do about random 38 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,600 shit. And so you guys have made a lot 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,440 of mech games or mech associated games or things and art haven't 40 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,200 really done a lot of mech anime like Red or say or seen a lot of 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,800 mech anime or manga. What? 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,360 Why? Why Max? 43 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,560 I love robots. Also, I the reason I wanted to 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,760 make celestial bodies is because every MET game I've played and 45 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,720 tabletop games was not satisfactory, which is the same 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,000 reason I made Dizzy Chainsaw, because I couldn't find a 47 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:49,240 magical girl game that I liked. So I was tinkering with 48 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:54,200 celestial bodies like in 2021-2022 and I never really got 49 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,520 anywhere with it. So I was like, oh, and then I, 50 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:01,280 after Binary commissioned me from Valley Horizon, I was like, 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,040 oh, do you want to help me with this celestial bodies game? 52 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,160 We can collab, I'll help you with this and or you help me 53 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,720 with this and I'll help you with something. 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,960 And then it exploded and we got hit by the celestial bodies bus. 55 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,160 Yeah. I had like 3 different works in 56 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,000 progress that got hit by that bus, by the way. 57 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,160 They're coming eventually. I don't know. 58 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,360 We'll see. It's funny because that was 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,000 going to be my next question was like, how did you guys team up? 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,800 So it all kind of it all kind of comes from celestial bodies. 61 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,400 That's where that's where you guys kind of started it. 62 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,800 Started from valley and horizon. I commissioned Charlotte for 63 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,720 Valley and Horizon like Charlotte did all of the 64 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,040 interior art for every class in that. 65 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,040 Go look it up, it's all bangers. No, I I've seen Valley and 66 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,640 Horizon too. Trust me, I I am a fan of of all 67 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,920 of your things, including Corp slayers, so so yeah. 68 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,400 Yeah, Speaking of, I think you have like one of the four copies 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,600 of corpse layers that's out there that I printed. 70 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:57,920 So good work. Thank you. 71 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,120 But yeah, as far as Mex, well, First off, my personal priors is 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,000 like, I mean, as a boy growing up, I love robots, of course. 73 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,800 I mean, I studied robotics in college even. 74 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,160 So specifically though, my priors are weird on that because 75 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,360 my main priors are like Armored Core and Front Mission. 76 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,480 I don't know if you know anything about Front Mission, 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,960 but it's more like a Cold War game with a side of mechs. 78 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:33,360 So that sounds cool. It's dope, but you know, yeah, 79 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,000 I. Think more of a classic mech 80 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,880 background like I watch a bunch of Gundam growing up, watch code 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,480 geass, watch Evan Gallium which is mech ish and. 82 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,960 And that's real technical. There's not. 83 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,520 There's metal on them. There is many. 84 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,320 They are living creatures. And then people go inside them, 85 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,320 so it's. It's kind of a hits all the 86 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,240 technical. Does this count? 87 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,920 Yeah, you're basically driving like angels in armor suits, but 88 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,280 like whatever. Like spoiler alert for like a 20 89 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:07,640 year old anime guys but. It's if you haven't seen 90 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,360 Evangelion yet, well, that's your fault I guess. 91 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,800 It's your fault, actually. Yeah, it doesn't bother me at 92 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,320 all. And I and we were talking about 93 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:20,040 Gundam obviously is too. I've not seen the one that is 94 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,440 your favorite. I know that a lot of people's 95 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,600 favorites. A newer 1 the The Witch. 96 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,040 What? Is it rich from mercury? 97 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,520 I've not seen witch from Mercury. 98 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,440 I really the last one I really saw was Origin, which I thought 99 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,080 was a fantastic retelling of like the the original, you know, 100 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,600 with Char and tomorrow and everything. 101 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,880 I don't know what anyway, God, nobody exists and we're talking 102 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:45,640 about Max. And then I guess one of the 103 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,200 other things again we've brought up a number of times is Daisy 104 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,560 Chainsaw. So why? 105 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,760 Why a magical girl game? And like what other ones I guess 106 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,160 are out there? We've only seen like one or two. 107 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,080 Like I think there's like a like one of the Jarrett Sinclair 108 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,400 hacks, like what's so great about magical girls or whatever. 109 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,560 But I haven't seen a ton of magical girl games. 110 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,120 So what made you want to make that? 111 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,280 Because I wanted to play a magical girl game and there 112 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,520 aren't a lot of them. I actually started it. 113 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,680 It was kind of on accident. It was probably like four years 114 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,600 ago now during a game jam on a Discord server I'm in. 115 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,000 Before I was like in the scene, I made the first iteration of 116 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,080 Daisy Chainsaw and like 2 weeks and learned affinity on the side 117 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,760 while I was doing it and that. And so it looked really bad, but 118 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,240 that's fine. And then I worked on it kind of 119 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,520 on and off for a few more years. I had friends help me write 120 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:47,400 abilities and I did a lot of art and then I scrapped the art and 121 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,520 did the art again and then I scrapped the art and did the art 122 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,160 again and then I got it edited and then I scrapped the art and 123 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,560 then I did the pixel art and that was the one in the book. 124 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,840 I probably have like 5 iterations of drawings where I 125 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,040 was like, oh, I'll do it in this style. 126 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,920 And then I didn't like it anymore after like a month and 127 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,800 but I wanted to make a magical girl game because I wanted to 128 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:11,640 make one of my friends run a magical girl game for me. 129 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,160 And but we didn't like any of the systems. 130 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,080 So I was like, I have to finish this so we can run it. 131 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,280 And I called it Daisy Chainsaw before I knew there was a band 132 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,640 Daisy Chainsaw. And then after I named it Daisy 133 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,400 Chainsaw, everyone kept making Lollipop Chainsaw references. 134 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,280 So that's how I learned about Lollipop Chainsaw. 135 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,800 Now I get those references which is cool like. 136 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,160 Oh, I thought you knew about that beforehand. 137 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:35,920 Oh, that's awesome. I. 138 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,280 Didn't know about Lollipop Chainsaw until like a year after 139 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,960 I was I started working on it. I was like, Oh well, that 140 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,520 exists. Yeah, nice space between 141 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,520 Lollipop, Pain Saw and then Daisy Chainsaw, which, like, I 142 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,320 mean, the lead singer was like, well, at least like Courtney 143 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,400 Love called her like one of the original riot girls. 144 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,560 So I assumed that, like you, you knew Daisy Chainsaw. 145 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,800 That's interesting. I I it wasn't an intentional 146 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,360 reference. I just thought the I, I, I 147 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,240 thought I was, I, I thought Daisy chain and then Daisy 148 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,240 Chainsaw and I was like, well, that's a cool name for magical 149 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,720 girls game. And then everyone's like, oh, 150 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,480 there's a band called Daisy Chainsaw. 151 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:20,000 And I was like, Oh, well, there was my CEOSEO, there's my CEO. 152 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,800 That's pretty. That's a bunch of little happy 153 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,920 accidents. You know that you found this, 154 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,880 this name. That's like double referential 155 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,520 they. Both fit. 156 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:31,960 Yeah, they're. Appropriate. 157 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,240 It's funny because I, I, I told Hunter I was like, did you 158 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,000 listen to Daisy Chainsaw while you read the game? 159 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,960 Because like it, it works like they're a bunch of riot girls 160 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,360 for like the magical girl anime. So. 161 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,560 No, I listened to Dungeon since while I've read it, which is not 162 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:49,240 the same vibe at all but it's what I had in my reading games 163 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,960 playlist so. I have an official Daisy 164 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,200 Chainsaw playlist that I've never linked anywhere, but I 165 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,240 titled it Official Daisy Chainsaw Playlist so I can look 166 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,960 into it. I should probably. 167 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,120 Searchable on Spotify. You just throw it on itch or 168 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,560 something or I I guess on on maybe the SPI page or something. 169 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:11,080 I'll have to find it in my pile of 100,000 playlists, yeah. 170 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,840 Yeah. And then? 171 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,880 So for Daisy, for magical girls, like what is your like point of 172 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,680 reference or like what inspired you to want to play magical 173 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,240 girls? Like what is your past with 174 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,760 that? Are you like purely a Sailor 175 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,360 Moon person or because there's like a million different series 176 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,560 so. So it's really similar to the 177 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:35,080 mech situation where I just kind of made magical girls out of the 178 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,960 idea of magical girls I had in my head. 179 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,440 I didn't start watching magical girl anime until well after I I 180 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,600 was doing celestial bodies. I mean, I watched Sailor Moon as 181 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,080 a kid. I don't remember anything about 182 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,520 it. I've been I want to I'm trying 183 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,240 to learn more about Sailor Moon because of unrelated stuff. 184 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:58,600 I think it's cute, but I I didn't really have like I 185 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:04,160 watched Madoka Magica, but that wasn't until celestial bodies 186 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,080 was like released or Daisy chainsaw was released. 187 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,520 Sorry. And so there was no real like 188 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,080 inspiration drawn from those things. 189 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:19,280 I feel like one of one of my favorite parts about Daisy 190 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,600 Chainsaw is that you could make the character from chainsaw man 191 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:29,320 in it, which is not a magical girl, but it it at that point it 192 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,440 is a magical girl like you can make you can turn into a 193 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,640 chainsaw guy and so now. Yeah. 194 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,680 It's funny if we're not watching all of those series, how well 195 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:43,280 you can hit the beats of what the series are about. 196 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,960 And even like in the kind of GM guide, how like the episodes are 197 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,680 kind of formulated. They're like the overarching 198 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:53,040 like narrative with enemies or even like your use of mascots. 199 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,960 Like is, are these like things that you went and sought or did 200 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,640 you just inherently put these in and they fit? 201 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,920 I don't remember, but I think it's just stuff that like I knew 202 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,400 about. Like I'm not like it's not like 203 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,760 just because I didn't watch me doesn't mean I don't know what's 204 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,560 going on. And I have friends who like 205 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,160 magical girl stuff like the aforementioned friend I need to 206 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:21,760 make run Daisy chainsaw for me. So I just sort of. 207 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:28,240 And then my editor also Matt K helped a lot with name. 208 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,440 He I think he helped name the, you know, the, you know, episode 209 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,800 season sort of naming scheme there. 210 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,720 So. But that was pretty close to 211 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,440 what I wanted to do anyway. Very cool. 212 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,400 Yeah, it's really interesting that like again, you've you hit 213 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,800 the nail on both mech stuff and magical girl stuff without being 214 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,840 like deeply into either. So very good job for that. 215 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,560 It came out of the primordial soup of things I've vaguely seen 216 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,240 online. There you go. 217 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,720 Well. And then Speaking of Max, so 218 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,320 binary star, I know one of the early things that I saw from 219 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,720 you. I have seen Valley Horizon, but 220 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,160 apocalypse frame again getting into the next step a little bit 221 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,480 more. I guess similar ish questions 222 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,920 with Daisy chains like where where why Max? 223 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,160 I know you talked about you were robots and you're in robotics 224 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,800 and stuff, but like what made you want to go from I like 225 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,040 robots to I made a pretty cool like illuminated by Lumen 226 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,360 apocalypse frame like my game. OK so Apocalypse frame is a 227 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,560 weird one because everyone always says it's an Armored Core 228 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:36,520 game and I say that too. Just I'm the reality, it's for 229 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,800 marketing partially. I mean, it's not wrong, but 230 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,120 that's a big, that's a big unifying point. 231 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,480 It's actually a Xenoblade X game knobbies. 232 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,960 That's where it started. That was my document. 233 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,200 So that is really a touch point in that sense. 234 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,160 If you look at it from that perspective, you can see a lot 235 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,200 of the decisions like why there's divisions, why there's, 236 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,760 you know, kind of a mission structure, like why you know, 237 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,800 why it's organized around like a central point, that kind of 238 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,040 thing. Because I was just trying to get 239 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,640 through that game in 2021 when I found out about Lube and I was 240 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,960 like, you know what, this works perfectly, just like looking 241 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,720 peanut butter and jam. So let's, let's see if this, 242 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,000 let's see if I can make something out of this. 243 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,160 This was about a year and a half into making 36th Way, which is 244 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,240 like a big 13th age conversion, which is on my side. 245 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,760 If you care, it exists. I don't think it's my best work, 246 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,680 but it's a lot of it. The. 247 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,200 Other half is celestial bodies and like 1% other stuff. 248 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,240 Yes, no, I think that combined that's like 220 pages. 249 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,160 Celestial bodies like 270 pages right now. 250 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,720 So I think the two of those combined are probably like, I 251 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,880 don't know, 80% of my output, but yeah, Celestial. 252 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,240 Bodies just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger yeah. 253 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,040 And we can we we can talk about that a bit. 254 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,600 One thing I noticed the transition to celestial bodies 255 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,920 is apocalypse frame is very much about like bad shit happens and 256 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,280 it comes to you right to Earth and everything and celestial 257 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,400 bodies is kind of opposite like bad should happen and everyone 258 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,720 did left. Was there was that a thought at 259 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,080 all or was it just like the the ideas that you wanted to have or 260 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,240 more of like either on Earth or like in space That's. 261 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,680 Interesting. Do you want to talk about that, 262 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:31,760 Charlie? I mean social. 263 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,440 So the reason I did that is because I had this idea in my 264 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:42,160 head of giant like cruise ship spaceships that everyone was on 265 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,680 and that had giant greenhouses like right in the middle where 266 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,440 they grew all their food and like got oxygen and stuff from 267 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,040 this huge greenhouses that they just have floating around in 268 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,320 space. And then it just kind of spawned 269 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,600 from there. That's where the story. 270 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,280 But the story started because I liked greenhouse spaceships 271 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,320 there. You go very. 272 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,640 Cool. Nothing wrong with that. 273 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,800 I also like the idea, it sounds pleasant. 274 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,360 Yeah, like I always thought, like, what if you're in space? 275 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,800 Do you get to hang out with some plants? 276 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,160 That sounds cool. That doesn't. 277 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,800 Hang out plants anywhere, man. So. 278 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,320 Yeah, I have a snake plant. That's that's what I got. 279 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:22,240 So celestial bodies, right? Like we talked about it when it 280 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,920 was itch funding a while back and it kind of blew the fuck up. 281 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,200 Like I don't know if I've seen an itch project like make that 282 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,160 much money in that short a period of time. 283 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,360 It was like almost like Kickstarter money on itch, which 284 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,560 is an interesting thing that happened. 285 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,760 But tell me about how like obviously you guys said you got 286 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,480 hit by the bus of celestial bodies. 287 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,240 Like, how did it feel for that to kind of like come out and 288 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,840 then just blow up? So when we so we soft launched 289 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,520 the itch page to make sure there were no issues with like getting 290 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,080 rewards or whatever and I added fifty community copies just in 291 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:02,120 case anyone found it. And then we went to bed and when 292 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,280 I woke up it was $1000. We had not announced anything. 293 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,760 People. There was a thread like a 294 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,920 dedicated thread in the official Lancer Discord that people had 295 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,200 made to look out for the launch of celestial bodies. 296 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,480 And that's where a lot of which people bought it from because 297 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,360 someone spotted it like as soon as it went live and then linked 298 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,840 it there. And then I had some piece, 299 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,320 someone messaged me the next morning like, oh, I'm glad I had 300 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,800 insomnia. And I was able to stay up 301 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,320 because I wanted to get the, you know, Max reward, which was 302 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,720 $200.00. And it was gone by the time they 303 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,440 would have, they woke up the next day and I was like, oh, OK. 304 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,640 And we had to limit that because of the amount of work and it was 305 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,240 still a lot of work for all the stuff we had to. 306 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,080 So much work. Almost it. 307 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,520 Was so there have. 41 factions in the book right now. 308 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,920 Nineteen of those are Bevan backers, just so you know. 309 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,280 And half of them, half the hard part, was just getting people to 310 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,440 fill out the form so we could actually make them. 311 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,079 That that that sounds right, actually. 312 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,720 That hurting it was a lot. So I had had some experience 313 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,520 with itch funding prior. I had funded valley and horizon. 314 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:21,319 It made just shy of 3000 bucks. 3000 was a ish I I figured. 315 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,880 So at that point the highest itch fund was I think 4300. 316 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,680 I think that was anyone can wear the mask because like before 317 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,200 this launched, I I like looked up what the highest itch funds 318 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,840 were just for my own benefit. I want to say actually no, the 319 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,080 highest one was some like first Zeem months thing for like 4800 320 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:45,280 celestial bodies made 87 something like. 321 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,000 So right now I think we're the number one ditch fund. 322 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,880 Other people have surpassed that 4800 number since, but I don't 323 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,960 think anyone's passed us yet. How that happened is fuck I 324 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:01,240 don't. We don't know. 325 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,160 We didn't do. Anything a big thing is just I 326 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,440 had a huge mailing list from Apocalypse Frame and it's like I 327 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,000 I don't have a better answer for you other than I emailed them 328 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,280 and then our number went up. Emailing does make numbers go up 329 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,360 consistently. I don't even remember where I 330 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:22,200 originally saw it because I back to day one, like I've acted like 331 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,000 the second it dropped and I don't even remember where like 332 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,320 what link I saw to it. But as soon as I saw like the 333 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,760 writing, the even just like the the the font, you guys chose the 334 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,080 art, I was like, I don't care. I'm doing this thing and and and 335 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,960 everyone else apparently did the same thing too. 336 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,000 And that's crazy that this that you guys are like the highest 337 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,400 funded like itch project ever still. 338 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,280 And that sounds like by almost double which is which is 339 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,160 absolutely not. And it's pretty crazy. 340 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,120 One antidote about that. OK, so when two people buy an 341 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:00,720 itch roar at the same time and it's the last one because this 342 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,400 happened to us, it's just kind of shrugs and goes, OK, you can 343 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,560 both have it. Yes, someone bought the last 344 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,600 $200 tier I believe at this within a minute of each other, 345 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,960 so basically at the exact same time and each gave it to both of 346 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,720 them. So they were only 5 and we end 347 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,560 up doing 6. Why functioning just as well as 348 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,600 we would all expect it to. We didn't know this could happen 349 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,480 and we didn't know it would happen so. 350 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,120 It was. Very strange. 351 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,520 We we had no idea because like just the idea of that happening 352 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,320 is very, very strange in general. 353 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,520 But I was like, why did why does it say 6 out of five rewards 354 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,720 that I checked and it just had them both like like recently 355 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,320 bought the same time And I was like, oh OK, sure I guess. 356 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,280 Six out of five. I can't imagine that that's not 357 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,920 something that's going to come up like super often or people to 358 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,240 buy like a limited reward within like, you know, the same minute 359 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,080 of each other. Yeah, I assume they had to have 360 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,800 both had the payment window up at the same time as how that 361 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,320 probably happened. But. 362 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,760 Yeah, that means they would have had to do it within a minute, 363 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,120 Yeah. Well, you guys just had to do 6, 364 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,560 which just added to the, the list of like the 19 other things 365 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,960 you had to do. Because if you look at the 366 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,080 original, the original celestial bodies version and then you look 367 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,760 at the schools I have, what do I I have the terrestrial edition, 368 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,760 right. If you look at the Titan 369 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,720 edition, like like basically the entire middle of the book is 370 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,920 just like factions. And it's like a huge chunk of 371 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,560 that like, like I guess backer rewards from itch. 372 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,080 I would accept Scavengers and Infinity. 373 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,680 We did. We didn't make any original ones 374 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,400 for this edition. We're going to later. 375 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,960 Binary is frozen. They are. 376 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,560 Classic, classic. There we go. 377 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,360 We're. Back Yeah, yeah, we didn't make 378 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:58,600 any original ones. We're going to make original, 379 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,840 more original ones for the Titanic Eclipse edition. 380 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,680 There were just so many backer factions that we were like, we 381 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,000 had to figure those out first so people could have them, and 382 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,560 we're like, we'll just do everything later. 383 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,120 Binary. Do you have your test print of 384 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,400 the potential final soft cover version? 385 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,400 I'll check the shit out. It's that. 386 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,960 Blur. The blur put. 387 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,840 It in front of you and it'll unblur. 388 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,720 There you go. So we're going to do a softcover 389 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,320 version on the Kickstarter that's cheaper than the 390 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,520 hardcover version, but to make sure it was viable, Binary 391 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,640 copied a bunch of pages and ordered it in black and white to 392 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,240 see if it would it would like hold up. 393 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,680 By itself duplicated the faction section. 394 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,080 That's all I had. To do. 395 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,360 That's a thick boy. That's a thick boy. 396 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,840 Was there ever any thought about potentially like just having 397 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,720 like the book and then like a faction book? 398 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,200 Yes, yeah, but we didn't feel like it. 399 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,760 See, what I hate and like is if you get like half of the book 400 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,680 and you're like, oh, I can't actually do anything with this 401 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,200 without the other half. Like the DND, like players 402 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,480 handbook, monster manual situation where it's like, OK, I 403 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,240 can kind of do something with this, but like not really. 404 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,680 We want to do eat that shit. Factions are really important in 405 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,600 celestial bodies because like the whole like mission process 406 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,240 is revolves around and progression revolves around the 407 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,640 factions you meet. So separating them kind of means 408 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,720 like if you lose the factions book, well, what are you going 409 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,360 to do now? Yeah, and all factions double 410 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:37,120 it. Like the only enemies we have in 411 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,080 there are factions right now, So I did. 412 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,040 Print all of celestial bodies. I forgot about that. 413 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,960 For a solo game, let me see if I can get it. 414 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,280 Here's all explicit bodies currently printed. 415 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,080 Nice. It's so I can play it solo, but 416 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,280 the factions tab is is huge. Like massive. 417 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,240 A massive chunk of pages. And that's like 8 1/2 by 11 too. 418 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,240 That's not even the size of like the the the regular book as 419 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,080 well. Yeah, it's 8 1/2. 420 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,560 Yeah, it's regular printer paper. 421 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,280 I didn't, I didn't adjust the zoom or anything. 422 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,000 I wanted more margin space. Our current PDF is 6 by 9, so it 423 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:23,240 wasn't too, too much different. But yeah, it's very, it's very 424 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,200 big. The factions are very important, 425 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,720 which is why we have so many of them because they're just kind 426 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,680 of like the core. Everything revolves around the 427 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:36,280 factions and who you meet. We kind of dug right into 428 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,400 celestial bodies without really even saying for those that might 429 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,440 not know what celestial bodies is like, what the heck is 430 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,440 celestial bodies? I guess what's the what's like 431 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,280 the elevator pitch for the game and then for those listening, 432 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,680 you know, now we'll learn it our. 433 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,080 Community copies are any indications. 434 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,600 Yeah, but so, yeah, so. So what's the pitch for 435 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,560 celestial bodies? OK by any? 436 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,200 OK, I guess I'll do it. Celestial bodies. 437 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,280 It's a mech tabletop game. I don't have the rest of the 438 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,480 pitch yet. I haven't had to think about 439 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,960 that before. My favorite part is the grid and 440 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,840 all the grids. It's just it's, it's, it's in my 441 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,640 tabletop game. There's not a lot of like like 442 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,120 story wise. I feel like it's not super 443 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,520 different from a lot of other MET games. 444 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,520 I once had someone ask me on Tumblr to sell them on it over 445 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,400 Lancer and I just ignored the ask because I'm like if you need 446 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,360 me to sell it for you then just play Lancer. 447 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,440 Like, I don't care, I'm not your mom, whatever. 448 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,360 I do have the, I do have the pitch we wrote up. 449 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,640 Yes, right up the pitch. Tell us. 450 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,520 In Celestial Bodies you will play the residents of home ships 451 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,560 that house the remnants of humanity. 452 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,360 Specifically, you'll be playing it's lamplighter that unions of 453 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:57,160 pilot and mech humanity is completely spread out from 454 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,840 Earth. They're starting to arrive at 455 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080 the corpses of dead gods floating in space. 456 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,280 They're starting to make mechs out of those dead gods. 457 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,280 That's probably a bad idea. We're doing it anyway. 458 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,040 No, yeah, that's a great pitch multi. 459 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,040 Like you're like 5 generations from like Earth, deep in space, 460 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,240 making all this mech. And so the grid obviously, I 461 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,720 think is one of the things that a lot of people were drawn to 462 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,400 because it's an incredible idea. It's super clean, it's super 463 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,120 neat. Don't know how it hasn't been 464 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:29,760 done before because it's so cool And it is kind of, I mean, you 465 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,840 can see a little bit in some like video game stuff like 466 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,480 STALKER and things like that. Have you know, their backpacks 467 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,560 you have like the grid or whatever. 468 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,920 But talk about the grid a little bit and just how that be like, I 469 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,440 I guess came about where that came from and like kind of how 470 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,800 it works just a little bit for for those that haven't seen it. 471 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,640 The grid was one of the original ideas I had when I made 472 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,800 celestial bodies. It was the first thing I was 473 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,720 like, I want character creation to be on a grid. 474 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,920 This was in like 2021. I didn't have an idea of what 475 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,000 the grid would look like. I just was like, it has to be on 476 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,400 a grid. I can be weird shaped or 477 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,160 whatever. I don't know. 478 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,040 So but that was like that plus being jam less were like the 479 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,480 things, the requirements for creating celestial bodies that I 480 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,120 came to binary with. Yep. 481 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,680 So for the grid, it's really funny because at some point I 482 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,280 looked up our initial conversations about like what it 483 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,560 became, and it literally was just like, hey, I want character 484 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,720 creation on grid. OK, what if the grid was hit 485 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,680 locations? OK, what if if you hit a already 486 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,840 hit place, it was a crit all right? 487 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:35,280 Binary came up with the 6 by 6 like base grid, which makes it 488 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,800 really easy to roll because you can just roll 2D6 and you're 489 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,680 fine. So that general shape from this 490 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,320 guy put it in front of me again. Choke by clove Fulminata. 491 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,880 That's the one that made me think about like that 6 by 6 D 492 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,240 66 grid shape joke obviously does not do the same thing, but 493 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,920 that got me in that mindset and like from there, that's where we 494 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,720 went from there. It's a really cool idea. 495 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:05,240 It works really well and it's very interesting. 496 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,360 I going through socialize first time I was like, oh, this is 497 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,440 cool. Like it very much takes you out 498 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:16,640 of the regular like nebulous hit location or whatever, have 499 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,640 damage. It's very, it's very pseudo 500 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,240 battleship, you know? Yeah, it's abstract, but in a 501 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,160 very like non abstract way, driving it where it's like you 502 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,800 don't see like legs and arms and heads like battle tag or 503 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,320 something, but get a sense of like OK, I'm making something 504 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,640 also. It's really fun. 505 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,120 It's really fun to make builds because you have to make 506 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,480 everything fit. Instead of just calculating how 507 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,160 many points you have. You, you, you have to like. 508 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,880 It has to fit together. Yes, so that was the known 509 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,200 moment I really knew we had something is when I spent like 510 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,600 all weekend just fucking around with builds when we made the 511 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,800 initial like general ideas like, okay, no, this is something like 512 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,240 we're going somewhere. No, it's so neat because again, 513 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,400 like it all. And that makes sense, right? 514 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,960 Like you're fitting things on this grid, which again, if 515 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,880 you're playing like a video game that does a similar thing with 516 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,480 like the backpack, you have to fit it in the pack. 517 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,560 So if a thing is shaped like this, you know, you have to, you 518 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,640 know, do a little thing like this. 519 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,840 But not only that, the modules and like the the bits and parts 520 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,080 that actually make make go also have to fit and they have to be 521 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,680 next to the thing that makes it work. 522 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,120 And then armor goes on top of it. 523 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:23,040 And then like, yeah, the battleship hit location to like 524 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,000 hit the thing. It's all so it's so clever and 525 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,760 so clean. And again, is one of those 526 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,080 things like how, how has this not been thought of before? 527 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,840 This is so smart and it's it's I mean, again, the second I saw 528 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,880 the grid, I was like, I'm backing the fuck out of this. 529 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,240 I'm just going all the way. But one of the other things I 530 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,320 really love is that most of the frames have square, rectangular, 531 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,800 you know, they're they're, you know, whatever. 532 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,760 I can't remember that all my polygons, they're they're a 533 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,360 squarish shape, rectangular shape until you get to the end 534 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,760 where you start talking about the these guys. 535 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,440 I'm scrolling for those that can't see the Titan frames. 536 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,000 Yeah, that are actually, and then those are all the all these 537 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,240 like weird shapes. And then when you see like why 538 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,160 the Titan frames are Titan frames and how they're different 539 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600 than the regular ones, then I saw that they were weird shaped. 540 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,120 I was like, oh, this is so perfect. 541 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,240 Like they're not like all the other ones and you have to do 542 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,080 this other weird thing and there's layers of armor and 543 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,800 stuff. So I mean, you guys just did 544 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,320 such a fantastic job of, of making it this kind of abstract 545 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,600 idea feel so grounded again by having the pieces have to be 546 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,680 next to each other and stuff like that. 547 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,400 It's I mean, I good job. That's all I can say. 548 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,640 Rob, Basically, yeah. And so we have, again, I have 549 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,920 the Terrestrial edition, you can get the Titan edition now. 550 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,920 And the next thing that's coming out is a Titan Eclipse edition. 551 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,720 So talk about that a little bit. Like what is the big difference 552 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,440 between I guess the three versions of the game? 553 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,360 I know we talked about the Titan version, there's a lot more of 554 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,400 the fact and stuff in it, but what's the big difference for 555 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,800 the newest 1 coming out? So Terrestrial edition was 556 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,600 really just like really focused on that combat system. 557 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,400 Like just very, like the grid was the main thing with the 558 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,760 Terrestrial edition. It's like 60 pages long and like 559 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:17,760 almost all of it is just that the Titan edition we were really 560 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,800 focused on like, OK, this needs to be like properly playable GM 561 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,240 Leslie. Like we really need to make this 562 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,000 properly playable and like playable in a fun way. 563 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,560 Not just like, yeah, you can do it, but it like kind of sucks 564 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,640 after a while. Like we wanted to be like 565 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,600 sustainably playable. GM Lesley So that's where you 566 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,280 saw a lot of the progression systems. 567 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,160 That's where you saw a lot of the faction stuff. 568 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,040 That's where you saw like Charlotte's incredible Mission 569 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,680 Hex flower thing, which is. Yeah, super cool. 570 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,960 Now that's that's all. Charlotte, I can't take credit 571 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:55,120 for that, but yeah, like that's where you saw all of that kind 572 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,360 of stuff come in. And yeah, the next one is going 573 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,280 to be emphasis on that taking a lot of those ideas a little 574 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,920 further, adding more content, frankly, that's that's one 575 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,920 thing. We had hex flowers. 576 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,360 We have 5 Titan frames in the tank right now that we have not 577 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,200 put in the in the Titan Titan edition. 578 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,760 The reason is because they're attached to factions and we had 579 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,320 to figure out what that means. So there's a lot more stuff with 580 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,280 factions we want to do and there's a lot of other things 581 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,400 too. I don't know. 582 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520 We're estimating it's going to be like another, I don't know, 583 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:40,400 like hundred, 120 more pages. I estimated this big boy at 400. 584 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,040 So to give you some big book. I have a lot of ideas because I 585 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,400 will it'll be like one in the morning and I'll be like binary. 586 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,480 We should put this and bless your bodies and he's like, dear 587 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,080 God, no, and I'm like, well, we're going to I'm going to 588 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,240 figure it out is. There any concern on like scope 589 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,640 creep at all where you feel like it's just going to like get away 590 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,360 from you or you or you want to make sure that you have 591 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,760 everything possible that you want on like I guess like the 592 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,800 third iteration of this. So there's some concerns over 593 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,200 time. It's definitely been one of 594 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,760 those things where you want to keep an eye on the size of any 595 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:20,320 given feature is the big thing. I am very assiduous about this 596 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,120 because I don't want to die making this. 597 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,720 But aside from that, I don't know. 598 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960 It's a big game. Like that's enough scope. 599 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,240 I don't, I don't think we need to worry too hard about it. 600 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,760 I think we've already crept pretty far. 601 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,960 Yeah, and I feel like, I mean, there's a lot of stuff in the 602 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,160 game, but it's all around like the core gameplay loop of do 603 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,080 missions, meet people, make friends or make enemies and then 604 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,520 do it again. And all the stuff we've added is 605 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,160 just contribute to that. It's not like random, random 606 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,640 stuff we're adding. The factions take up a lot of 607 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,080 space because we want a lot of factions and that's like most of 608 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,800 the page count anyway. A lot of it's also a layout 609 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,720 concern. The reason it takes up so much 610 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,920 space is we have like a full page for every like build that a 611 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,960 faction does, like including like reposted stat blocks for 612 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,640 weapons. And the reason for that is just 613 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,400 to make it a lot easier for you to run. 614 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,720 You can just open to that page and you're ready to go. 615 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,080 You don't have to reference everything. 616 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,560 So it's not just like straight text for 280 pages like. 617 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,400 There's a lot of white space. We made it very it's very clean, 618 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,640 which was why it was so easy to print out it on my 20 year old 619 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,880 HP laser printer. Yeah, definitely. 620 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,600 I mean especially when you get to the frames and stuff, the 621 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,600 pages definitely have plenty of room to breathe. 622 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,400 It is very nice. We talked about this with Daisy 623 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,600 Chainsaw as well. Is that you did a really 624 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,720 fantastic job of of exactly that, like having a nice size 625 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,280 margin, having a nice size font where you know, if I if I have 626 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,840 like 8 1/2 by 11 two column things, it's all text. 627 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,040 I'm just I just get lost and like the spreads and stuff. 628 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,840 I like having the information I need for what I'm talking about 629 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,960 like in front of me and that's it. 630 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,960 And you guys did I mean Daisy chainsaws like that. 631 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:11,520 And the Titan edition is like that too. 632 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,280 It's very readable. And like you said, the page 633 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,760 count. I mean so much for dis factions. 634 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,120 If you look at you're at page 34 to start the factions just in 635 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,120 the Titan edition and it's page 164 until you're done with the 636 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,840 factions. So there's like 130 pages of the 637 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,800 200 and and 50 ish pages is just all factions, which again, I 638 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,520 mean, that's you don't you don't need to read every single bit of 639 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,239 that all the time. If the if the rules are mostly 640 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,760 the 1st 34 pages and then there's like more build stuff at 641 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,040 the end. You really do have a pretty 642 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,480 small kind of player section beginning that's still nice and 643 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,639 tight and interesting. Any of the the faction section 644 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,920 is for there when you need it and to access it. 645 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,120 So if it's 200 pages long, you don't need all 200 all the time. 646 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,280 So it's OK, you know what I mean? 647 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,120 Like that's I mean. You're going to be referencing 648 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,800 all the time. You could probably fit it on 649 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,600 like 4 pages. Like it's not that much like or 650 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,360 if you have like weird shit like missiles, but like for most 651 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,840 builds it's not really that much. 652 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,320 I'm trying to convince Binary that our dust jacket for the 653 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,760 hardcover version should be a CHEAT SHEET, but I still don't 654 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,720 think he's convinced. Oh, that. 655 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,200 'D be a great idea. That's such a good idea. 656 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,240 Production is the part. Yeah, the. 657 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,120 Little. Well then, the dust papers don't 658 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,920 cost too much. Yeah. 659 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,200 And so the the layout overall that. 660 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,280 We've kind of been talking about with like the, the rules being 661 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,760 kind of like a in the beginning and the the rest of it being 662 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,200 like this, this useful toolbox. It very much reminds me of 663 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,360 fists, the game fist with it's like the rules are very slim and 664 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,200 they're very much at the front and the rest is the intelligence 665 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,120 matrix. I really do actually like that 666 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,920 model to have like this game. It's like fairly lightweight to 667 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,200 run, but then has this like very robust like toolbox or things to 668 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,280 add. And I think there's a really 669 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,120 cool idea, especially for this, like you said, it really adds to 670 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,720 the core gameplay loop of, you know, making friends or making 671 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,240 enemies, fighting and doing it again, you know? 672 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,640 Yeah, the secret is that despite being associated now with a 280 673 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,840 page book mostly, I don't like huge games. 674 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,960 I don't usually play huge trad games, like that's not a thing I 675 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,360 usually do anymore. You're with. 676 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,360 Friends here I I have played Pathfinder second edition. 677 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,200 I'm in a Pathfinder second edition game. 678 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,600 I played a lot of Pathfinder when I first started table talk 679 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,720 games. I've never read Pathfinder. 680 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,400 I've used the websites that have the Pathfinder stuff on them. 681 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,960 So my Pathfinder Second edition story is that disliking it was 682 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,520 what actually made me a game designer because I started 683 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,120 thinking about, yeah, 13th Age was way better than this, but I 684 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,520 can make a fixed version of that. 685 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,960 And that got me here. There you go, I will say. 686 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,160 I will say one of the good pitches of like why celestial 687 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,720 bodies over Lancer is you don't need a fucking app to play 688 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,520 celestial bodies because it's impossible to play Lancer 689 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,240 without like the fucking app. Tools that I will die on. 690 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,400 If you make a game and it needs an app that sucks. 691 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,520 I hate Yeah. They'll have kind of celestial 692 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,960 bodies on a napkin and a pencil. You just have to draw some boxes 693 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,800 and you're good like. You can just play it on your 694 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,560 like a normal table with printouts. 695 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,800 It's so much it's probably easier to do that than to try to 696 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,200 make it put it in an app. Listen, I have said those exact 697 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,760 words. I mean you. 698 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,280 Can you can you can hire someone too. 699 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,880 You don't need to, and that's great. 700 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,560 That's The thing is, if you have it but you don't need it, it's 701 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,960 very different than if you have to have it in order to play the 702 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,680 game. The way people share builds they 703 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,160 make on celestial bodies in the Binary Star Games discord server 704 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,600 is with a code block where they use little brackets and put, you 705 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,320 know, a corresponding letter in the brackets and then they post 706 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,800 the key at the bottom and that's it. 707 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,560 They it's perfect. It's so easy to share a whole 708 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,240 MEC build in one little Discord message. 709 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:09,280 Nothing else is needed. No, that's nice. 710 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,680 I love build. System. 711 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,840 I'm just like, I'll never get over how just clever and clean 712 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,760 and functional building in celestial bodies. 713 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,120 It's a really great idea. And it's just, I don't know, the 714 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,520 cleverness is it makes me just like smile every time I see it. 715 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,720 I'm just like, and then, and then it's battleship. 716 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,440 And that makes so much sense because like, if you have a 717 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,600 grid, why not just like attack the grid? 718 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,840 I don't know. It's just, it's, it's so 719 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,520 unbelievably clever. And again, I think that's 720 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,600 realistically, I think the grid system is one of the reasons it 721 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,920 blew up the most on itch, because as soon as people saw 722 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,520 that, they were like, holy shit, yes, this is a game I want to 723 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,280 play. Plus that shade of pink was a 724 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,160 very nice choice. It's this. 725 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,880 Pyramid. Yeah, yeah. 726 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,800 I don't know if you have seen our overlay, but it's basically 727 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,160 the exact same color as what we use for like everything that we 728 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,200 do. So solid choice the. 729 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,040 Grid devlog is the only devlog I've had blow up on social 730 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,040 media. Like that's a nuts experience 731 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,320 because like who? Who cares Usually, but. 732 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,640 Yeah, that's great. So the the Titan edition is 733 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,440 going to be bigger, heavier, but again, the game itself is is 734 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,240 going to be pretty streamlined. A lot of it's going to be other 735 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:18,520 stuff. What? 736 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,080 And I know you guys said you got hit by the bus from this and you 737 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,680 have a lot of other projects on the side. 738 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,520 What does the future look like for celestial bodies, and what 739 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,840 does the future look like after celestial bodies for both of 740 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,040 you? For celestial bodies is a lot of 741 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,120 work on celestial bodies because it's going to be very third. 742 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,800 Page. Needs a lot of layout. 743 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,320 We're doing like all these little supplements, which means 744 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,960 that we're going to be laying those out and releasing those. 745 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:53,280 Then the supplements we hired some writers for to each write 746 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,280 little scenes about like what happened elsewhere on Earth for 747 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:05,480 like specific parts of Earth. That happened on and so they're 748 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,320 they're writing this. We've already paid them for half 749 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,080 of it so and so we're going to have layout some spreads of 750 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,800 those and then have little mock ups for those on the Kickstarter 751 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:22,200 page and they have their own Macs and stuff builds and items. 752 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,800 And then we also have our little zenes that we have to do mock 753 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,120 ups for where we have our Zen of stuff rules we wanted to add 754 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,760 into the main book that are fun but don't really make sense to 755 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,160 be in the main book, like our fun little things we like. 756 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,720 And then we have one of downtime actions that we have to do as 757 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,240 well. Yep, our big ones are a How do 758 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,800 you play as a faction? Because like that was a question 759 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,320 we got a lot and like that's an interesting question to answer 760 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,320 because some of them have a bunch of home ship and some of 761 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,240 the no home ships and just like how do you thread that needle? 762 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,520 The other one is, yeah, talking about like specifically focusing 763 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,400 on like the lamplighter pilots, like what's their life like? 764 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,560 You know, like what do they do between missions? 765 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,560 Like really thinking about like that more so than like and like 766 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,280 adding little like procedures for funsies, but like nothing 767 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,120 that really like ties into like the main game loop in the same 768 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,040 way. And the answer to what 769 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:21,880 lamplighters do outside of the mech is more grids. 770 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,680 Yep, I'm. Finished Listen, yeah, we can't 771 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,560 go wrong with grids. You'll see that you'll see that 772 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,360 spread soon, but I came up with like some like 2 overlapping 773 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:38,240 grid system for what are they doing and how does it turn out? 774 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,920 There you go. The grid, the grid system for 775 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,960 celestial bodies is partially what inspired me to look into 776 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,720 making something similar for like mission generation because 777 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,960 I wanted it to be. And same with the faction 778 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,400 reputation stuff. I wanted it to be the same level 779 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,160 of tangible. I didn't want to just like hand 780 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,800 wave it as numbers because that felt wrong when you were 781 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,600 tracking your character, you know, your mech on the grid. 782 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,400 I wanted to feel the same or feel similar where you can like 783 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,360 see the progress and it affects what's going on around you, 784 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,440 which is why I found hex flowers and was like, let's do this, 785 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,560 let's turn this into mission generation. 786 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,760 That's a. Pretty great idea. 787 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,200 Yeah, I mean, we didn't even really get deep in the hex 788 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,240 flowers. And guess what? 789 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,840 If you want to go go go back to the Kickstarter and buy the 790 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,280 book. I highly recommend still 791 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,360 grabbing the Titan edition. But that's it's such a clever 792 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,800 thing as well, just like the way that you move around and then 793 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,520 also the things that can happen if you like. 794 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,720 Here's a factual thing. But if you go off the edge, 795 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,280 guess what, now you have this other thing too. 796 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,680 It's just such an interesting mechanic that also fits really 797 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,920 well with the grid because somehow grids and axis still 798 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,840 really hold hands nicely. So it all feels like super 799 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:59,960 cohesive and in post celestial bodies for I know Binary, you 800 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,320 said you had like three games you were working on Charlotte. 801 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,000 I know you said you have Rose Thorn keep and stuff. 802 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,440 I don't know that you put out these chainsaw with Space 803 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,960 Penguin. Is there other projects that 804 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,200 either of you guys have that are going to come out during, before 805 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,640 or after celestial bodies that are that are on the horizon? 806 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,200 Want to go first or should I? I'll. 807 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,840 Go First Rose Thorn Keep is also going to be published through 808 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:28,520 Space Penguin very soon and dirt told me he's going to order like 809 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,720 a bajillion copy. So I'm excited because I love 810 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:37,640 Rose on Keep and I think it's awesome and I am going to be 811 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,160 finishing up Happy 99 around the same time we're working on so 812 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,320 Steel bodies because that was delayed by my job that sucked 813 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,040 the soul out of me. I love that job, but it it also 814 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,480 was very tiring so I didn't do anything else. 815 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:57,320 So I'm fishing up Happy 99 and I'm going to have the I'm trying 816 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,680 to get the actual like rules out before Celestial Bodies launches 817 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,000 because it feels wrong to launch a Kickstarter after my 818 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,720 Kickstarter isn't done yet. And I also am working on another 819 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:12,200 magical girl game, but I don't know how much I'm supposed to 820 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,920 share about it. So I there's just another 821 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,200 magical girl thing coming. Cool. 822 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,040 Yep. So for me, one thing that 823 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,880 Charlotte and I are probably going to both be working on is 824 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,760 like I said, we talked about doing a work trade at at the 825 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,800 beginning of celestial bodies and this is the second-half of 826 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,040 the trade. So anointed is a game that 827 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,200 exists now technically on my itch. 828 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:39,960 It's going to get completely revamped. 829 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,160 That is going to happen at some point in the near in the far 830 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:43,640 future. The. 831 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,160 Far future, the future some point. 832 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,400 Yeah, Speaking of the far future, I'm also continuously 833 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,880 working on Liminal Void. That is my space total effect 834 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,560 game, same system as varying Horizon. 835 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,520 I just released an update to the quick start this this weekend, 836 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,760 so that's fun. That one. 837 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,600 I'll just be working on and off during celestial bodies 838 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,920 probably. When you hate celestial bodies, 839 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,840 you need a break. I tend to bounce between like 5 840 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,400 projects at once. So yes. 841 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,240 So we have that going on. I have about 1/3 of AVN Nash 842 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,160 Nation of Amorous also on my itch page. 843 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,680 I'm probably going to be continuing to work on that. 844 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,000 I'm still working on Valley and Horizon Tactics, which is my 845 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,480 room variant. I'm continuing to work on that. 846 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,080 I don't know. I have a few things that I have 847 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,320 specifically not working on, specifically to not add it to 848 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,200 the pile so it's. Like 8 things going on at once 849 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,760 on top of celestial bodies that's coming to kick harder 850 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,040 soon. That works. 851 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,920 Yeah, yeah, when I got tired of working on celestial bodies, I 852 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,320 did come up with a lot of cool ideas for Anointed, which 853 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,920 includes more hex flowers. It does. 854 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,480 No, it's sick. We're talking about doing like a 855 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,680 combat via hex flower thing. So like. 856 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,760 No dice. Dance like that. 857 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,680 Sounds awesome. It does sound awesome based on 858 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,400 where you are on it. That kind of thing. 859 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,960 You. Just pick where you go on. 860 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,040 Your equipment. Yeah, you change the equipment 861 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640 you have, changes the actions you have available on your hex 862 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,960 flower. So there's like a base no 863 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,240 equipment hex flower. And then different parts of it 864 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,040 change depending on like what weapon you have, what armor you 865 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,320 have, and maybe you can block or dodge. 866 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,080 And you have to time your blocks and dodges with when the enemy 867 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,640 will attack. And you kind of have to learn 868 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,440 how the enemy attacks and when they're winding up so that you 869 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,800 can attack and still safely block or dodge their attack by 870 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,080 with your actions on the hex flower. 871 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,920 But you using an action on the hex flower, you know, opens up 872 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,640 more actions, but it also limits you from only what's available 873 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,360 around you. So that's that's my idea for it. 874 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,760 That sounds awesome. Yeah, that does sound pretty. 875 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,040 Cool. Very early, by the way. 876 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,160 Yeah, I mean, anything in that description may change, but. 877 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,880 Everything. Yeah. 878 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,120 I mean, I think I described it vaguely enough. 879 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,680 Yeah, but it still sounds awesome. 880 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:05,920 We'll definitely, we'll definitely be keeping eyes out 881 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,880 for that. So when is there a date for the 882 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,280 Kickstarter launch for Celestial Bodies? 883 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,240 March 4th Pope right after Zemo Zine Quest. 884 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,920 Yeah, we don't want to do it during no. 885 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,440 Matter where you fall on the Zine discourse, this is not a 886 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,800 Zine. It is a bunch of Zine stapled 887 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,720 together. My 400 page Zine guys, it's it's 888 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:35,560 a hardback. It's it's a Zine yeah, but but 889 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,000 great. So March 4th for that. 890 00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:39,560 The link is on our overlay right now. 891 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,080 What I have and what I wrote was binary star dot game slash 892 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,640 celestial as the short URL that'll take you to the 893 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:47,960 Kickstarter. We'll make sure that that link 894 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,360 is in below. But you talked about anointed 895 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,720 and a bunch of stuff on your itch page. 896 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:53,920 So where can people find your stuff? 897 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,080 Binary. Yes, so my stuff is at Binary 898 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520 Dash, Star Dash games dot itch dot IO. 899 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,280 You can also just find it from binary star dot games. 900 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,360 I have everything linked out from there. 901 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,400 I have a bunch of shit on there. I make blog posts all the time 902 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,080 there. Go to either, you'll find it. 903 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,720 Yeah. You know, we figure it out. 904 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,600 What's funny is about one in 10 people that we have on the show 905 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,120 actually can give like their itch address without having to 906 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,080 look up their own address. Almost everyone's like, oh, I 907 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,680 don't really remember what my itch is. 908 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,040 Mine is super easy because I made an itch account like 100 909 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,960 years ago so it's just the username I use on like discord 910 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,680 and stuff. It's a selkie SELKIE dot itch 911 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,120 dot IO. Perfect. 912 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,960 Easy peasy. And then you said you had a 913 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,120 website as well. Yeah, Fragrant dot garden is the 914 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,280 whole URL, and I posted A blog there recently explaining 915 00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,880 Mission hex flowers because binary kept pestering me about 916 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,640 it. Yes, go read you. 917 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,560 Better write A blog. You got to write blogs. 918 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,720 And I was like I don't want to but OK fine. 919 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,920 There you go. But yeah, we'll make sure that 920 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,880 all those links are below. Listen, I'm super excited. 921 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,040 Philistro bodies again. Every time a new addiction has 922 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,600 come out, I just get more excited for it. 923 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,800 I'm excited for the brick that I'm gonna get when it comes out 924 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,880 after March 4th self. Defense so. 925 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,920 Yeah, right. So it looks fantastic. 926 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,040 Honestly. Thank you guys so much for 927 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,400 coming on. It's been a pleasure to talk to 928 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,320 you. We love all of your stuff. 929 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,240 Like I said, this episode will drop this week after the Daisy 930 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,760 Chainsaw episode and at some point Apocalypse Frame is on our 931 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,840 list as well. So we're fans of both of your 932 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,160 guys work and we just really appreciate you guys coming on 933 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,000 and and and, you know, chatting with us. 934 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,600 Thank. You for having us. 935 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,720 Thanks. For having us. 936 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,200 Of course. Absolutely. 937 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,240 Thanks for coming on. So that will be us for today and 938 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,720 TuneIn for all of this. Make sure you back the project 939 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:48,840 on March 4th and click the links below to find all that and we 940 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,120 will talk to you all later. Bye. 941 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:51,000 Bye.