1 00:00:15,620 --> 00:00:17,860 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,860 --> 00:00:22,540 My name is Ryan. And I am the pilot C4621. 3 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,960 And, and today we are going to be looking at let me get let me 4 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,800 get the one of the three that I have here. 5 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,439 We are looking at. Flames of Orion by Steve Huffer 6 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,800 is a mechanized tabletop skirmish game set in a dark 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,040 future. I am. 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,000 I'm stoked by this one. You know, honestly, I'm so dark 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,120 on the inside that this just seems like a regular future to 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,760 me. Yeah, look. 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,000 At look at look at look at you look at look at us. 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,840 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the world thing, 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,560 everything is nihilistic. That's just normal. 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,400 For me, you know? Yeah, right. 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,400 You know, we're both out here reading Sharon. 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,959 But one of us, one of us is I I got, I got one on the way to 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,560 you, buddy. You can get sad like I am. 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,240 Yeah. So I mean, we've seen each other 19 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,080 like 4 times this week. I don't think there's anything 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,120 new that we don't know about each other. 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,600 Keep playing Flames over Ryan, man. 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,080 Yeah, so, so one thing we talk about on the show is in the 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,080 context of I'm gonna sound, I'm gonna get up my own ass a little 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,160 bit here. Both of us, we have read and 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,280 played so many fucking TGRBGS. And honestly, like we can, we 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,560 can read it and and understand how a game plays. 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,640 And for the most part, unless there's like a brand new 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,520 mechanic, which we pretty much know where it came from, what 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,480 something's hacked from, right? So like we don't need a ton of 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,920 context to understand teach RB GS as much. 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,840 But I know for me, like being newer to the skirmish scene over 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,200 the last like year ish, Fuck, I have no context. 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,440 There's shit where I'm talking to like Dylan, like white tiger 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,760 table crap. And I'll, I'll read a mechanic 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,320 and he's like, Oh yeah, that's how they do it in X&X&X&X&X. 36 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,400 I'm like, I get, I don't, I, I got to play more 3rd edition 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,480 this and 6th edition that and all the rest of it. 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,160 So because there's times I'm like, this mechanic feels weird. 39 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,040 Is it normal? Is this how it normally is? 40 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,800 And they're like, yes, that is just how the game would work. 41 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:11,960 So, so before we review skirmish games, which are doing a lot 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,480 more on the show, which feels great, which is great for my 43 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,320 mental health and my desire to, to, to interact with the 44 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,880 tabletop space. We play them all of them usually 45 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,840 a couple of times. It's great because we played 46 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,320 Mech 28 I think 3 times before we reviewed that. 47 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:28,360 Something like that. We played Malagas like two or 48 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,120 three times we played. So we played Flames and what's 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,920 great about it is we didn't play it and then a month later play 50 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:34,360 it again. We played it and like 4 days 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,240 later played it again. So all of our notes were still 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,680 there. Oh, I have notes written on my 53 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,160 board right here that I forgot to write into my notes. 54 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,640 I was wondering if you would put ended up putting those into your 55 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:47,560 notes, but I was going to leave it for you the. 56 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:50,920 You know, the best part of my notes on my board is I 57 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:52,960 absolutely cannot read my own handwriting. 58 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,960 So that's that's super fun. There's a couple rules we wanted 59 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,360 clarification. Yes, I remember some of those, 60 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:06,760 but I'll try to let me see. I know I see core stabilizers 61 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,040 and heat sink. I see explosive reduced by AR 62 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,640 Remind me to talk about that. And then I see something about 63 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:22,800 OK, destinative, dusty. You're doing great buddy, 64 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,280 Welcome to the show. I'm going to send you a picture 65 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,560 of this and you're going to be like, I have no clue. 66 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:38,560 I have absolutely no clue. All right, we're doing this 67 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,080 live. Bucket. 68 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,600 We'll do it live. All right, we're doing it live. 69 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,640 All right, I'm sending that to you. 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,200 You tell me what the fuck the second one is. 71 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,280 So anyway, so we are, like I said, nothing is new. 72 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,480 We're playing the game a bunch. Obviously we like it. 73 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Big fans, we're going to talk about it. 74 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,680 We're going to do that here on the show, right? 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,440 No idea, right? But you said the last one. 76 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,480 No, the the one above that looks like starts with AD. 77 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,360 Anyway, as you try to decipher that, I'm going to go into, 78 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,000 we're going to get into the review. 79 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,920 So why don't we click over? I think you need to like throw a 80 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,800 a still of this onto the YouTube video right before right? 81 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,280 So people can see like what the. Literally just squiggles like. 82 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,520 I'm going to have to go back. Yeah. 83 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,560 Anyway, so flames of Orion. This is Flames of Orion. 84 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,240 Let's give you some info about Flames of Orion. 85 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Here we go. We're getting into it. 86 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,280 So Flames of Orion, a dark future at miniatures war game 87 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,400 where players pilot giant mechanized combat machines in 88 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,280 the Orion system. The planets of the Orion system 89 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:43,880 sit heavy with shadows and foreboding, and the sector is 90 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,520 littered with Renegades, outlaws, and mercenaries. 91 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,880 As I said before, the game is Steve Huffer. 92 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,080 They're the publisher of Under the Dice fanzine. 93 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,440 They are one of the hosts of the High Scum podcast. 94 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,800 They do one of the dice Fest like all the stuff basically 95 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,880 I've talked about you know fucking high scum podcast pretty 96 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,760 much every episode for the past like 6 months. 97 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,880 So watch it they're better than we are. 98 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:12,200 Flames of Orion or Foo Dash 01 funded on Kickstarter June 5th 99 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:19,840 2025 with 1089 backers for $35,320 on a $5000 goal. 100 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:26,840 You know, just like 6 times so far, like so far there have been 101 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:31,960 3 supplements released. There has been 10-02 Universal 102 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,240 Industries General Ordinance supplies an arm and material 103 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,240 catalog. 110-03 Universal Industries General Ordinance 104 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:44,120 supplies an arm and material catalog. 2 and 10-04 Guerrilla 105 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,920 warfare and Unconventional Operations. 106 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,320 These add new rules, upgrades, weapons, frames and factions. 107 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,480 They're very good. They're so good, Yeah. 108 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,160 Flames of Orion is available in print@underthedice.com, as well 109 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,040 as some cool merch on there like character sheet pads, T-shirts. 110 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,840 There is like dice and stuff that they say coming soon on. 111 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,080 We'll see. And it's also available 112 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,120 digitally at under the dice dot itch dot IO as well as all of 113 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,360 these supplements that I just said, which are pay what you 114 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,080 want. And you can find a trimmed down 115 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,320 version, like a free version of the game that is everything but 116 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,800 basically the campaign stuff and some of the art for free also on 117 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,800 the itch page. So you can get the all the rules 118 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,040 you need to actually play the game and all three additional 119 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,000 supplements for pay what you want, AKA free or you don't give 120 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,040 money to people. But that is basically the info 121 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,840 for Flames of Orion. And this is the the dope cover 122 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:41,000 for Flames of Orion. I'm going to go to zoom to page 123 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,800 level. You can see that incredible art. 124 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,120 One thing we're going to talk about? 125 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,000 All the way through. One thing we're going to talk 126 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,040 about a bunch of this whole thing is just the incredible art 127 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,560 I do. I don't have the down camera, 128 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,200 but I'll go through my Flames of Orion collection here. 129 00:06:55,840 --> 00:07:02,120 So I did get the Flames of Orion Arcane CON version of the book. 130 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,840 Yeah, version, which actually is a very nice version. 131 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:09,440 It's, it's actually like a little thicker, maybe a little 132 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,280 bit nicer than what ended up being the Kickstarter version, 133 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,920 but that very nice. And then I got the Kickstarter 134 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:21,280 version right here. And then somehow I ended up with 135 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,520 the test printing, right? Thank you for that one. 136 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,920 That one's. Pretty cool test printing #5 of 137 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,520 20. Steve sent me to this with with 138 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,360 a bunch of extra shit too which was incredible just because I 139 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,280 was like getting a bunch of stuff from the website. 140 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,960 Also came with I don't remember if this is part of the 141 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,800 Kickstarter, the extra, but the cover art as a poster. 142 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,720 Dude what? I didn't know that. 143 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,520 Sick I also did get in print. These are still available. 144 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,440 You can get all three of the supplement pamphlets 10 O 145 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,760 410-0210 O 3 and 10 O 4 as pamphlets. 146 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,120 Those are available still on the Under the Dice website. 147 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,400 I also did get the official Flames of Orion Mack. 148 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:14,520 Pretty cool. The flames of Orion dice which 149 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,000 are are dope as hell, aren't. Those the ones that are marked 150 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,640 coming soon. Yes, but this is was part of the 151 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,440 extras that I got sent for no fucking reason just because you 152 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,640 know just because they're cool and then also from ramshackle 153 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,200 the original. I believe gardens of pack of tea 154 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,080 modeled these. I do believe I could be wrong 155 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,600 that are available on Ramshackles website Ramshackle 156 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:43,799 minis and what I love about these is the minis come on a 157 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:47,400 base that is a destroyed version of the miniature. 158 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:50,120 Very cool. Let me take it. 159 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,160 Out of the plastic. So it's not, it's so fucking 160 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,560 cool. So I need to paint these up. 161 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:59,440 These were going to be what I did for so you can see that it's 162 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,720 the mini and then it's like a broken version of the mini on 163 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,960 the bottom so you can literally swap out and have terrain. 164 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,360 I still might do these up, but when I was building out my flame 165 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,160 stuff I found I found Atlas mex. I've never I've never got into 166 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,760 battle tech before and I think I was talking about this. 167 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,760 I found the battle tech and I love their dumb little faces. 168 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,120 So I bought like 5 different kinds of Atlas model MEX and I'm 169 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,480 just going to have my whole war band be those and I'm probably 170 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,040 going to at least paint these up as metal and then repaint over 171 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,640 that later to bring like an extra war band in case somebody 172 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,040 doesn't have it. If I can finish all the rest of 173 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,320 the stuff I need to get printed, but that is my flames 174 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,160 collection. I'm very, very happy to have all 175 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,920 of it because I, I, as you'll, as you'll hear as we reviewed 176 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,200 the game, it fucks and I like it a lot. 177 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,400 Yeah, I mean, we're, I'm going to, I'm going to really, you 178 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,400 know, talk about how much I love this game. 179 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,200 A lot of this time too. So a lot. 180 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,280 Of the time, yeah, that's what we're going to do. 181 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,160 So let's get into the into the book into. 182 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,160 The show and tell is over. Now the show and tell, which 183 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,120 I'm, you know, I, you're welcome everybody. 184 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,360 I will say, I will say I do believe I think maybe that the 185 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,840 field version, there was like 150 of them on Kickstarter. 186 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,160 I do think it is like this. I know it was a wire bound book. 187 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,760 I will say this is the ultimate edition. 188 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,000 Like the first of all, I love this this MEC art. 189 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,680 It's also the art that's on the cover of the like the graphic 190 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:31,000 for the soundtrack, which is incredible, but the wire bound 191 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,840 for table play so so fucking good. 192 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,920 And it also just looks like in world, you know, kind of like 193 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:44,240 like manuals anyway, so let's go through the beginning of the 194 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,360 book a little bit and then we'll do, I'll do rules breakdown, 195 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,000 you'll do character like we normally do, and then we'll do 196 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,960 the rest of what we normally do for 310 episodes. 197 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,400 So again, art is incredible. I've already talked about some 198 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,120 of the stuff. Flames of Orion's dark future 199 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,600 miniature set in the Orion system. 200 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,840 And in the Orion system, basically Long story short, it 201 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,840 gets colonized and then the sun goes out and then everything 202 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,400 goes to shit because there's no sun. 203 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,320 So it starts out atmospheric listening, which I always love 204 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,000 when a game gives you the soundtrack that the person was 205 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,800 listening to when they when they made the game. 206 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,160 Some media basically this is their, you know, appendix and 207 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,520 mech warrior Armored core Dark Souls pitch black. 208 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,600 I will say that they they really sold me immediately when they 209 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,480 said liquid drum and bass on blown out speakers. 210 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,480 I'm like, this is good for me. I like this this. 211 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,200 Is going to be the one and there is OST there. 212 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,240 Trey Grier did under the dice on the under the dice band camp 213 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,000 flames of Orion. It's it's incredible. 214 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,280 Like it's what I put into tabletop simulator the whole 215 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,000 time we were playing and it's, it's great. 216 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,480 It's great to to play the game too. 217 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,280 I I do wish it eventually would come out as a cassette because I 218 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:02,240 played the fuck out of that. All right, so flames of Orion in 219 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,240 the dark and distant future, the stars have smouldered and 220 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,520 burned. Everything that once stood in 221 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,400 the Orion sector has descended Into Darkness. 222 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,680 Those who have not fled the sector or gone mad from the 223 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:14,280 emptiness around them now fight over what little remains and a 224 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,840 time and humanity should be united. 225 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,000 They become the greatest threat to themselves. 226 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,680 Thus, the age of man has ended. Left in the shadows of the 227 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:24,200 flames of Orion, all will trudge forward into oblivion. 228 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,000 Inside the mechanical tombs. An age of darkness has begun. 229 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,360 I, I can only assume at least somewhere like the whole like 230 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,960 what is that line from Blade Runner about? 231 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,520 Like I've seen like burning some things off the shoulders of 232 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,520 Orion like that has that has to be, this has to be a Blade 233 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,040 Runner reference, right? So there is a timeline here, 234 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,840 which is cool. So there's three parts of the 235 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,440 timeline. The age of light, basically 236 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,160 everything's good in the sector. Corpos come in and make 237 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,240 everything corpo. The age of fire. 238 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,720 The sun starts to go out, everything starts getting dark, 239 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,280 and the mega corporations falter in the face of escalating 240 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,360 anarchy and war sweeps through. And then there's the age of 241 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,760 darkness. The last days of light come. 242 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,680 Outlaws, religious and noble houses, state claims throughout. 243 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Everyone flees and anyone that doesn't end up as a rebel or a 244 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,120 renegade or a mercenary or something within the system. 245 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,240 And then eventually the civilization has crumbled and 246 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,760 everyone's just basically fighting over the wreckage of 247 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,440 what's left. Beautiful. 248 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,840 The the only, the only question I have about this lore wise is 249 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,760 the timeline feels very tight. Like very tight. 250 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,800 So like from the time that prosperity is predicted in the 251 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:36,040 sector, so people go out to it, it's 2377 and by the time the 252 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,280 sun is burnt out, you're only at 2454. 253 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,200 So you're less than 100 years from like discovering the sector 254 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:47,800 to terraforming the sector to have it being like a bustling 255 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,480 sector to sun going out and sector being completely fucked. 256 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,360 They're moving quick. They're that's 70 years. 257 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,960 That's like one person that's like 2 generations and then but 258 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,720 where you're playing now is like 120 years after that. 259 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:07,240 So you you are almost twice as long in like everything being 260 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,320 shit as you were in the sector being good at all. 261 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,520 Yeah, that was really just good few good years, you know that's. 262 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,800 All it had, and then it's been shit ever since. 263 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,320 And then again, like I love like this is a great shot. 264 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,240 I know it's just like a like an eclipse, but incredible. 265 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,840 Yeah, getting into the content of the books. 266 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,600 There is a bunch of chapters, preparations, game structure, 267 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,600 building a combat unit, starting a game after action, campaign 268 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,480 resources, and then the references. 269 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,040 And I love throughout the entire book, we're going to talk about 270 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,200 the art a lot. We're not going to point out 271 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,800 every single piece, but every piece is labeled, which is cool. 272 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Like I love either when a when a book has every piece labeled by 273 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,120 who the artist is or has an index reference to who all the 274 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,320 art pieces are, which is incredible. 275 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,400 But this piece right here, like this, this Martin McCoy piece at 276 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:53,640 the beginning. And if you don't know Martin 277 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,640 McCoy, go look at their art. They're insane. 278 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,440 But this piece right here from Martin McCoy right off the bat 279 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,200 is fucking insane. Like it? 280 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,440 It just slides. Really enjoy that piece. 281 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,560 It also just feels really like, like a wartime, like bloody 282 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,760 atmosphere piece. You know, there's just like this 283 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,800 Reds in it. Yeah, they feel very ominous. 284 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,240 Yeah, if you in in podcast world, if you happen to be 285 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:24,760 listening, it's in the front is, you know, a guy, a pilot behind 286 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,560 them is a person who might be like a mechanic based on just 287 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,920 like the the tablet in their hand, probably an engineer of 288 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,800 some kind. And way in the back is A2 legged 289 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,160 neck. But everything is bathed in this 290 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,600 like red light except for a little bit of blue popping up in 291 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,520 front of the two figures in the front. 292 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,360 So it's just an absolutely incredible piece. 293 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,560 And then we continue on more dope art. 294 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,280 I mean, a lot of the artists in here, you got let you got Hodag, 295 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:52,840 you got Martin McCoy. We'll go through the list of 296 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,000 artists at the end, the credits pages all the way at the back. 297 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,600 You know what, no, let's do that right now. 298 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,440 Let's just roll back to the bottom because I want to make 299 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,920 sure we we we address that because one thing that we want 300 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,360 to talk about or give credit to and and everything is the the 301 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,000 artist that make all of these visions come to life. 302 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,600 Word. Steve Huffer copy yeah. 303 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,000 Mike Hutchinson as a copy editor. 304 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:20,800 Insane cover by Jan Burgay. Interior are Nico lucido, Martin 305 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,920 McCoy, Lett Morrison Hodag, Ryan Walker and Tyler Russo layout 306 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,400 and design work and combat unit sheets. 307 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,120 Dylan Molesko and game photos. Dylan Ryan because there are 308 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,920 insane photos of painted Mexican, which is incredible. 309 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,200 There are all those artists, yeah. 310 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,760 And we, we've seen art from a lot of the people like let. 311 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,840 We obviously seen so much fucking hodag on this. 312 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,000 Everyday shout out Hodag. You know, shout out fucking 313 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,520 Hodag. So all right, so that's getting 314 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,160 into the book, so let's get into the game. 315 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,520 So I'm gonna go over the rules breakdown of the game. 316 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,320 So the gist of this game? What is this game in few words? 317 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,640 Now, Flames of Orion is a model agnostic tabletop miniature 318 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,319 skirmish game where players control combat units composed of 319 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:08,640 four giant mechanized combat machines fighting over the 320 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:14,000 devastated Orion system. That is Flames of Orion in a 321 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,560 fucking nutshell, right? So how does that work? 322 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:22,880 So getting started, players build combat units of four mechs 323 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,000 each. Usually there are some factions 324 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,480 to change that. Did you see that faction in the 325 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,120 Guerrilla Warfare 1? Which one? 326 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:35,120 There's there's two. There's a bunch of factions 327 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:36,160 added. Which one was the one in the 328 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,520 guerrilla warfare? One, the guerrilla warfare, one 329 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,240 that has the 1A dead or alive mercs in the back, but it's the 330 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,760 one that has Inner Sphere militia, where you can only have 331 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,520 two mechs and then all the rest of your stuff is like infantry 332 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:47,920 and like Garrison forces and stuff. 333 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,840 I thought of you right away. That sounds like a fun way to 334 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,360 play that's. What I'm saying, that's why I 335 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:54,240 thought of you right away. I thought the guerrilla warfare, 336 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,280 excuse me, the guerrilla warfare stick. 337 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,360 I love the inventory so. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. 338 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,120 So anyway, so players build their combat units of Form X 339 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:08,720 Hunter is going to go over combat units and all that kind 340 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:09,680 of stuff. So I'm just going over the 341 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,040 rules. The models are roughly 6mm scale 342 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,920 so minis are that are roughly on a 28 to 40mm base in scale. 343 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,760 So they're still big but small like versus mech 28 which was it 344 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,760 has to be at least 4 inches 4. Fucking inches. 345 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,720 Yeah, most of the mechs here that they list like Catalyst, 346 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,840 Paddle Tech, Reaper calves, I will say that over Knuckle Bones 347 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,960 minis, I did buy some of the Knuckle Bones minis I have. 348 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,040 I have so many mechs now, but if you look at the original under 349 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,920 the dice minis versus the new under the dice mini, you'll 350 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,680 notice that it is a very different size scale. 351 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,800 You can see like this little guy versus the guy next to it. 352 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:54,640 It's almost like twice as big. OK, so I'm curious if this was 353 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,760 like originally thought of as like the scalar think it were 354 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,600 just a little bit smaller, but this? 355 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,760 Is kind of the big guys and some are little guys, you know. 356 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,680 Yeah, this is kind of the scale of like all the battle tech and 357 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,640 stuff too. They're like 28mm bases and 358 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,680 stuff, which I think is a great size. 359 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,160 Like they're like 2-2 inches, maybe a little bit more. 360 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,120 The board is generally 2 by 2 up to a four by four and can have 361 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:20,920 destructible terrain. Lots of, you know, mech shit on 362 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,560 it, right? The game uses mostly D sixes. 363 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,680 You can pre measure all that kind of stuff. 364 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,520 There's activation tokens. There's tokens all over the 365 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:35,400 craze for for a bunch of stuff. So quick intro to MEX again 366 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,680 honey, we'll go over that a little bit more, but Mex have 6 367 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,640 stats, whole points or HP, armor, AR, combat skill or CS, 368 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,880 speed or S, heat limit, HL and platforms for PF. 369 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,680 And at base you start with just a standard MEC frame, which is 370 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,000 what's on the board here, which I don't know for some reason 371 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,120 honestly might be my favorite piece of art in this entire 372 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:58,880 game. It is. 373 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,400 Again, it is what's on the field. 374 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,520 The field press, it's what was on the soundtrack and for I 375 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,560 don't know what about it, the isometric view something about, 376 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,200 but the the squatness of it. I don't know. 377 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,280 It's dope as fuck. I love. 378 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,760 It cannons it's got on both arms. 379 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,320 I love it. Baseline chassis, a good mix of 380 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,880 speed, Harmer and efficiency. So you can see the base Mac. 381 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,640 So speed 6, combat skill 4 plus armor 6 plus whole .6 heat limit 382 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,840 10 platforms 4. That is your standard base Mac 383 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,040 Artwork by Nico Lucido. Standard, right? 384 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,000 You can get different stuff with optional rules and add-ons, but 385 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,480 that's generally what it is. The way that the game is 386 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,600 structured is you play 5 rounds across three different three 387 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,280 different phases across 5 rounds. 388 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,920 Your phases are the initiative phase, the your activation 389 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:52,200 phase, and then the heat phase. The way those work is when you 390 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:58,600 like when you roll initiative it is just a I got lost my notes. 391 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,360 It's AD 6 and you can add +1 if you finished first in the 392 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:04,920 previous round. So if you have less mex or 393 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,720 whatever for any reason, you can do that. 394 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,200 I love this whole page here specifically about the Rule of 395 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,480 Cool. We'll take a break real quick. 396 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,240 Probably the most important rule in this book. 397 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,040 Sometimes the rules don't exactly fit the situation, or a 398 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,720 disagreement comes up over their application. 399 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,800 Whenever this happens, the best outcome is typically found by 400 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,920 rolling a dice to decide and simply moving on. 401 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,480 If something sounds or looks cool but the rules obstruct your 402 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:24,880 vision, bend the rules around it. 403 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,200 If there is a rule for what you want to do, it's OK to make one 404 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,240 up. This is one of my favorite lines 405 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,240 ever. That has now become part of my 406 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,720 vernacular. Always be strict with yourself 407 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,480 and lenient with your opponent. Yeah. 408 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,640 And just in general, as like a life lesson, be strict with 409 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,920 yourself and lean with others. That's really in. 410 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,920 General for everything, yeah. Like the world forgot like the 411 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,400 the golden rule that we all learned as kids, which was like 412 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,640 treat others as you would like you know yourself to be treated. 413 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,080 I'm good with this. Be strict with yourself and and 414 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,920 and leaning with other people. I fucking love that shit. 415 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,480 It's great. OK, so activations, how does 416 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,280 this work? There are you can take 2 actions 417 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,320 per activation per model and the model you go back and forth. 418 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,160 It's a fucking war game. There are five actions you can 419 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,760 take which are move, ranged attack, a race attack, melee 420 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,760 attack, disengage, and purge. Heat. 421 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:13,480 We purged a lot more heat, or at least I did in the second game 422 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,720 and then all blew up anyway. But. 423 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,920 Yeah. When you're activating. 424 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,240 You know. Yeah, right. 425 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,000 Well, I did right. I purposely like jacked my heat 426 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,320 up and then ran into you and blew up. 427 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:34,200 So you generate heat anytime you do a second action or just in 428 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,640 the heat phase, which we'll get to or a bolstered action. 429 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,240 So if you just do like 1 action flat, you don't generate heat 430 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,040 that that round until the heat phase. 431 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,440 But if you do a second action or bolster. 432 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,080 So really you could do, you could generate 0 heating around, 433 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,680 or you could generate up to three heat per round. 434 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,480 Yeah, because you could bolster a move, you could bolster an 435 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,080 attack. And then there might be special 436 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,680 stuff that like makes you do extra heat, but you can generate 437 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:03,080 at base basically zero or three heat before you even get to the 438 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,840 heat phase. And I like that. 439 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,520 I like that there are things that you can do without 440 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,880 generating heat in this game, like in MEC 28. 441 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,160 I love that game is built around like your heat management. 442 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:14,920 This one's definitely a bit different. 443 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,600 I just talked about bolstered actions. 444 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,000 Bolstered actions are cool. Like every all 5 actions can get 445 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,520 a bolstered option. Like for example, a bolstered 446 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,960 range attack, you could have focused fire and it adds that 447 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,640 plus one to your combat skill and we'll all get over how to do 448 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,840 combat rolls in a second. But there's bolstered melees, 449 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,960 bolstered range, there's bolstered purge, there's 450 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,720 bolstered disengage. Even like all 5 actions have a 451 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,720 way to bolster it and increase it, which is cool. 452 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,080 I love that. I'd love the trade off of I want 453 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,600 to do something more. I'll just get heat with it. 454 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,160 Yeah, which it's a funny, of course, of course that's how it 455 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,120 works, but it's still cool. That's still attacking. 456 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,200 Four of the of each mech is like pretty generous as compared to 457 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,560 like mech 28 which is more of a heat focused game. 458 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,400 Like yes, you can push heat for quite a while before you go. 459 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,320 Like OK, well I really need to purge now, you know? 460 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,000 Yeah, well the thing too though with mech, with mech 28 is part 461 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,640 of every round is ending purging heat. 462 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,160 So you can purge every round versus this one where you have 463 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,680 to like choose to purge heat. So we're going to talk about the 464 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,360 comparisons between Flames of Orion and MEC 28 for multiple 465 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,320 reasons, one being they're the two MEC games we played 466 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,600 recently. But also I think at least in the 467 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,000 skirmish kind of circle ish that I'm roughly on the outskirts of, 468 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,640 they're kind of like the two preeminent like more indie 469 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,840 skirmish MEC games versus like battle check or something like 470 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,760 that. So there's a lot of comparison 471 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,120 that you can have between those. So anyway, attacks, how do you 472 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:42,720 fucking attack in Flames of Orion? 473 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:48,000 So basically, I hate when this little fucking thing comes up 474 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,160 that way. To attack, you make AD 6 roll 475 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,040 higher than your CS value. As I said before, base CS across 476 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,320 all models across all frames is 4 plus. 477 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,600 So you roll AD 6, and if you get a four roll higher, you hit. 478 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,640 Boom, good job, you do an amount of damage whether it's one or 479 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,120 two. Let's say it's 2 and I'm 480 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:12,760 shooting my Mac at Hunter. Hunter then gets an armor roll 481 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,640 to defend against the damage and he rolls a number of D sixes 482 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,280 equal to the damage. So if I roll and get a four plus 483 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,280 with on A2 damage thing. Let's say I have a heavy long 484 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,200 range weapon and. Your armor score. 485 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,920 Let's say you do. Let's say that all my mechs 486 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,960 didn't have that. No a medium, a medium, a medium, 487 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,320 heavy as 4. You would then get to roll on a 488 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,600 your armor roll 1 armor roll per damage and that base 6 plus is 489 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,520 generally the armor unless you get MK1 or MK2 armor or you have 490 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,560 a heavy frame. So 100 would roll AD 6 for each 491 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,480 point of damage and on a six on a six they would negate one 492 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,960 point of damage. And if it's A5 or A4 whatever. 493 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,000 Let's say you have MK2 armor, which knocks your armor to A4 494 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,280 plus and you roll A4 and A5. You take no damage your armor 495 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,560 eats at all. So it's it's armor soaked with a 496 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:07,000 roll, which is cool. And then six are always critics. 497 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:14,320 Once are always misses and then critical hits add 1 automatic 498 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,280 damage. And then if if I hit you with a 499 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,080 crit, I would roll on the catastrophic, I would roll to 500 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,680 see if you get catastrophic damage. 501 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,120 So I would roll and if I meet or exceed my CS again, basically 502 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,800 it's kind of like confirming A crit, kind of like if if I if I 503 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,480 hit you, I get a six and then I quote UN quote hit you again, 504 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,840 I'll roll 2D6 on a catastrophic damage table. 505 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,880 Why don't you hit me with the 2D6 real quick and we'll roll on 506 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,880 the catastrophic damage table. Yeah, should have had dice with 507 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,440 me. You always got to have dice. 508 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,480 You never know what I'm going to ask. 509 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:51,880 I rolled A5 and A6 so 11. All right, so you got a weapon 510 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,360 disabled. A random weapon is disabled. 511 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,400 Perfect. That sucks. 512 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,880 Yeah. If you roll a 12 it's cockpit 513 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,840 fire in your model is automatically reduced to 0, 514 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,360 which means you roll an explode check. 515 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,800 I love that we didn't have any of that happened. 516 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,280 I honestly don't even remember if we would if we even noticed 517 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,280 every when we rolled sixes on our CS rolls cuz at some point 518 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,880 in two games we had to have, you know, we. 519 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,920 Had to have yeah, yeah, we, but also through forgetting that I 520 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,920 had the armor piercing on hard javelin. 521 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,320 And for for half of the first game we were shooting our 522 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,120 weapons twice per per activation before we realized that no, you 523 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,040 only get one. Which makes sense what else we 524 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,360 have here. Whenever you attack melee or 525 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,920 range, you only get I literally specifically wrote in the notes, 526 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,040 whenever you attack mainly or range, you only get one attack 527 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,240 per round with each weapon because we, we did that for like 528 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,120 3 rounds. We, we kept being like, I fired 529 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:44,800 my weapon twice. All right, there's basic game 530 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,960 mechanic stuff here that I'm not going to go over movement 531 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,240 falling. I just talked about all the 532 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,120 combat stuff. Long range is important. 533 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,000 So anything greater than 10 inches, there is no range. 534 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,440 For the most part you can shoot anywhere on the board, but 535 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,120 anything greater than 10 inches you automatically reduce your CS 536 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:03,840 by 1. Line of sight is important. 537 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Cover which is interesting. I love the way this works 538 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,840 actually. Cover doesn't reduce your CS, it 539 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,680 adds to the other persons armor. So instead of having to roll A6 540 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,560 to reduce damage, they would roll A5 instead. 541 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,360 Because it reduces it gives them a + 1, which is cool. 542 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,720 Engaged is interesting, which interesting too. 543 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,920 In the FAQs in the back it does say you have to disengage from a 544 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,560 cable whip if you're within 3 inches of it because you are now 545 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,760 considered engaged because that is its engagement range, which 546 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,480 is fucking cool. That's cool. 547 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,760 Yeah. Yeah, but if you're engaged, you 548 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,680 can't move away, you can't fire a range weapon, you can't do 549 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,040 anything. You have to disengage or 550 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,400 basically go melee. I already talked about crit. 551 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,000 We already talked about catastrophic damage. 552 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,000 Let's talk about heat. So there's two ways to have heat 553 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,720 in the game. I already talked about the ways 554 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,560 you can generate heat in a turn. But one of the three phases of 555 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,000 the game is the heat phase. So basically mix, generate a 556 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,240 shit load of heat. So at the end of every round, 557 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,000 once everyone's gone, there's a heat check that everyone goes 558 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,320 through in the game. So basically you roll the D6 and 559 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,160 there is a a table for how much heat. 560 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,000 So on a 1 you generate 2 heat, on a 2 to 4 you generate one 561 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,840 heat, on a 5 to 6 you generate no heat. 562 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,520 So even if you don't do anything to generate heat, you can still 563 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,200 end up with heat at the end basically. 564 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,040 Not pretty forgiving role really, you know. 565 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,920 Yeah. And there are ways to reduce 566 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,960 even the the heat check, which we'll go over when we go over 567 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,760 like some of the other stuff. So if you reach your maximum 568 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,640 heat, your whole points automatically go down to 0, 569 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,120 which knocks you out of action. If your whole points go down to 570 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,840 zero, you're also out of action. So two ways to end. 571 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,800 It's either HP actually going down or you're heat maxing out. 572 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,720 And if that happens, you roll an explode check. 573 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,240 And I think we exploded almost every time. 574 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,920 I think one guy that I wish exploded. 575 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,640 Yeah, we, we, we. You use that very effectively. 576 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,720 The first time it was used effectively by accident. 577 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,120 The second. The second time I learned and 578 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,920 used it on purposely. On purpose, yeah. 579 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,360 Yeah, I'll go over. I'll go over that in a second. 580 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,280 So explode, check. Basically, if you hit zero or 581 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,440 you Max out your heat and hit zero, you roll AD 6. 582 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,120 On a three to six, you explode. And the way explode works, which 583 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,880 I think is fucking perfect, it is. 584 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,520 The damage is equal to half your heat, rounded down. 585 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,480 So let's say you have 6 heat, you get it's three damage, and 586 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,120 the range is the number of inches you have heat. 587 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,640 So again, if you have 6 heat when you die, it's three damage 588 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,040 in a six inch radius. Nice clean rule too, you know. 589 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,920 It's great. It's very first of all, you 590 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,360 know, these Sixers are my favorite dice. 591 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,080 Like I think these 6 is the perfect dice. 592 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,200 So it's, it's great. So what happened in the second 593 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,040 one that we did is the way that my next kind of had to work 594 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,800 their way around this ship. I put one in the front and it 595 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,000 got so much damage, but it's whole points had like 2 left or 596 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,680 whatever. So for like a turn or two, I, 597 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,120 I'm, I bolstered every action. I did everything I could to Jack 598 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,280 up as much heat as I possibly could and then moved it into 599 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,560 your two mechs and then you hit me with a melee which I had like 600 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,080 1 HP left, immediately knocked me out and exploded. 601 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,520 But since I jacked my heat up by like 3 or four more in the 602 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,080 previous round, it was enough that I blew up. 603 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,960 I think both of them or only. Wayward Core Phantom Walker was 604 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,600 still up. And then I shot my own guy on 605 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,000 accident who was standing in front of you who only had one HP 606 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000 left, which blew him up, which then blew up Phantom Walker. 607 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,400 That one took it, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 608 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,800 It's funny that never. Took out the frenzy demon to 609 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,800 this day has never fallen in combat. 610 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,280 That little fucker. The only reason is because I 611 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,800 think it was Itinerary of Hate. DID is the only guy that didn't 612 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,640 pass the explode check to explode. 613 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,240 So in the first game, the only MEC left standing was Frenzy 614 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,960 Demon. In the second game, I think we 615 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,600 we in it on five rounds and I had I think just one guy up and 616 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,240 you had two guys up or we both had two guys up but you had 617 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,720 taken out more of mine or something. 618 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,240 I don't remember. But I think you won both games 619 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,600 anyway. Quick battle report. 620 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,400 That is the way it is. Yeah, there's a couple other 621 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,440 things here. Destructible. 622 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,280 Oh, that's what that says. Destructible terrain. 623 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,760 That's what that says. See that scribble that says 624 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,880 destructive terrain, Right? We have questions we have. 625 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,440 Question, we have question. Yeah. 626 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,560 So, yeah, So, oh, this is a question. 627 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,320 We're talking about exploding. Nowhere on here can I find 628 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,800 weather. And this is the clarification 629 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,040 that we're going to ask, does your AR reduce explosion damage? 630 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,400 We play it as no it doesn't but I would be interested to know. 631 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,480 I'd be interested for the clarification. 632 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,480 My thought is if it did it would say. 633 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,120 Yeah, that's why. Wouldn't, but why wouldn't it? 634 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,560 Like when does when? The other question then is when 635 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,960 we're talking about destructible terrain. 636 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,240 In a second, when terrain destroys, do you roll armor 637 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,080 against terrain falling on you? If not, then it would make sense 638 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,000 that you wouldn't for explode and you wouldn't for terrain. 639 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,480 So let's look at destructible terrain real quick. 640 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,800 It does say takes damage as normal in destruction. 641 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,200 So that kind of leads me to believe take damage as normal. 642 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,480 Normally for damage you do roll armor. 643 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,080 So I do think we might have been playing that wrong, which, but 644 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,120 yeah. Either way, a clarification 645 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,440 would be good. So the way it says destructible 646 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,200 terrain here, which I first of all I love that there's 647 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,120 destructible terrain. We didn't fuck with it in mech 648 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,920 28 because one of the cool things in mech 28 is anything 649 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,360 painted red explodes when you hit it, so we needed to put more 650 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,840 red shit around. The board just exploded. 651 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,680 Exactly. Yeah, but the way destructible 652 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,040 terrain works focus refocusing. The way destructible terrain 653 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,640 works in Flames of Orion is if terrain is dealt any damage from 654 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,160 an action, place a counter on it. 655 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,360 When a piece of terrain receives a second damage that turn 656 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,120 important, important choice of words there. 657 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,800 Or if it is dealt 3 or more damage in one action, it is 658 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,680 destroyed. Remove the terrain from the 659 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,320 table. Do one damage to all models than 660 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,760 two inches and then if a MEC moves on to destructible 661 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,560 terrain, roll AD 6. On a roll of one or two the 662 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,080 building is destroyed. I love that basically you can 663 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,400 just walk across terrain and you fuck it up. 664 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,840 It's great. But the issue is when a piece of 665 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,040 terrain receives the second damage that turn. 666 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,239 What if I do damage to the train one turn and then damage terrain 667 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,760 the second turn? It's not like terrain heals, 668 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,239 right? So the fact that it says that 669 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,360 turn. That turn isn't interesting. 670 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,239 Yeah, I wonder what the logic is behind you. 671 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,560 Could just, I think you could just, I think the intent is you 672 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,920 could just delete the words that turn and then it works the 673 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,920 second time it receives damage. Yeah, it goes down. 674 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,360 Or if you do a three damage in one turn, which is how we played 675 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,320 it. That's my assumption. 676 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,880 It just doesn't need the words that turn there because based on 677 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,360 that assumption, then in the next turn you would have to do 2 678 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,800 more damage. Like basically you would be, you 679 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,760 know, immortal healing terrain. Weird wall keeps healing. 680 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,240 Bro so that those are the two clarifications. 681 00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,120 I think 2 of the only was explosion damage. 682 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,440 Does AR do you roll AR roles? Destructible terrain Do you roll 683 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,880 AR roles and does destructible terrain counter counter carry 684 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,320 over between turns? I think the way you played it is 685 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,520 the intended way, but clarification I. 686 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,000 Don't think so anymore. I think when it says you take 687 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,480 explosion damage like as normal like that implies to me that 688 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,640 like the way you normally take damages rolling armor. 689 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,880 Terrain. No terrain blocks explosion 690 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,160 damage. Destructible. 691 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,600 Terrain takes damage as normal. Damn. 692 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:41,240 Well, yeah, yeah. So cool piece of art of a mech 693 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,240 exploding, chunks flying all over the place. 694 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,480 Dope. OK anyway, moving on, there are 695 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,160 some optional rules. There is pilot eject which is 696 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,280 cool. We didn't fuck with this but 697 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,600 it's awesome. Basically, your Mac can bail out 698 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,160 and become like an inventory and stay on the battlefield, which 699 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,720 is cool. Love that modded frames. 700 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,760 We definitely both did without talking to each other. 701 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,880 We both just decided like, oh, we're gonna do that. 702 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,200 So it'll. Be fine, you know? 703 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,240 Yeah, and. Of course it was. 704 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:11,280 Yeah, because we both did it. We literally both picked instead 705 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,560 of the standard frame, we picked one light frame, 2 medium or 706 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,720 standard frames, and then one heavy frame. 707 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,840 Which did you see the Titan 1 frame in the expansion? 708 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,200 I believe I did. I've I saw all the different 709 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,480 frames in the expansion. It's. 710 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,760 So good. A lot of them are very funny, 711 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,560 yeah. Yeah, my God. 712 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,920 Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting switch on 713 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,160 the experience. But yeah, it was that you're 714 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,600 interested in this getting those 3 pamphlets. 715 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,280 Super worth it 100. Percent so fucking worth it and 716 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,720 we'll talk. I definitely want to discuss the 717 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,600 pamphlets more. So basically light frame gives 718 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,880 you a higher heat limit and higher speed, but less haul 719 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,200 points and less platforms. And then vice versa for the 720 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,920 heavy frames you get it lower speed and lower heat limit, but 721 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,280 higher whole points and more platforms. 722 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,280 You know, so I, I liked it, it was great. 723 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,800 There is option to have experience. 724 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,640 So like XP in games, so you can gather stuff, you know, by doing 725 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,600 things like common collected, add +1 to heat check roles. 726 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,640 So after you gain 5 XP, you get like a little bonus, which is 727 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,440 neat. That's an optional rule, which 728 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,760 you know, this game is. We didn't. 729 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,200 We didn't say this in the beginning, but this game is 730 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,480 designed to be campaign, campaign game. 731 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,200 There is. It's great for that. 732 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,440 There is a quick play option, but honestly, if I was going to 733 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,040 do, we'll talk about it later. And then there's scrappers. 734 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,760 So when a model is taken out of action, you can place a token on 735 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,800 it and then your MEC can actually be scrapped, like a 736 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,520 platform can be taken off of it and taken by somebody else. 737 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,720 So and then massive. Dick move. 738 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,600 Dude, and then at the Even so when you go into your after 739 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,320 action campaign stuff, you're just down a fucking platform. 740 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,160 Sucks to suck, you know, love that. 741 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,880 So you'll go over building a combat unit and then we'll talk 742 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,440 about the the rest of the book after that. 743 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,080 So talk to me about building a combat unit. 744 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,840 Yeah. So building a combat unit. 745 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,920 Let me pop up my notes. Yeah. 746 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,080 So building a combat unit, you're going to create a combat 747 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,600 unit. And this is more or less made-up 748 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,680 of four parts. The first part is going to be 749 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,640 your faction, which provides you a really cool little trait for 750 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,400 when you're putting together your combat unit, rides you like 751 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,120 a little narrative jumping off point. 752 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,200 Ryan has a really picked like a religious sect and like, really 753 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,600 dove into like some lore for his religious sect. 754 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,280 I chose a mercenary unit and I reference a mercenary unit from 755 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,920 a book that I'm reading, and they just gave us like some 756 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,080 immediate flavor that I think was really effective. 757 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,640 Ryan's especially was super effective. 758 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,560 I really love Ryan's. After that, the second part is 759 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,640 going to be the black market. This is where you get your gear 760 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,920 and weapons for your back, including upgrades, range, 761 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,720 melee. There's a lot of really great 762 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,960 stuff in there. After that you have ground 763 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,560 forces, an option, an optional alternative troop to replace 764 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,880 mech units. You can switch out one neck, I 765 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,200 think for two different ground units. 766 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,440 I picked mercenary, so I actually came with an infantry, 767 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,640 which was very fairly effective and I have ideas to make it more 768 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,600 effective. And in the fourth part of this 769 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,640 building, your combat unit is your call signs. 770 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,760 This is your kind of your name that gives identification and 771 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,440 potential reputation and shit you know? 772 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,600 Beautiful and shit, you know? And shit, you know, I put ways 773 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,840 to play in here. I don't know if I was supposed 774 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,960 to put this in my. Section. 775 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,920 That's fine. Yeah, OK, cool. 776 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,760 Yeah, so as Ryan spoke of earlier, there's two different 777 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,600 ways to play this game. There's the right way and then 778 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,200 Quick Play. So Flames is meant to be, I'm 779 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,560 obviously joking, but Flames is meant to be played as like a 780 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,280 multi game campaign. Use game upgrades and scars as 781 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,120 they move forward through the story. 782 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,720 But you do have the option to do quick play. 783 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,240 The way they're different, they're different just for quick 784 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,800 play. You're going to roll for 785 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,000 equipment instead of buying equipment. 786 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,200 You roll for each platform and you can roll on the upgrades, 787 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,920 the melee, the range you you pick. 788 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,840 You start with four free mechs and you have 25,000 credits to 789 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,120 spend and you can spend 10K at any point to re roll one of your 790 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,000 platforms. My question is, if you have 791 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,560 25,000 and it costs 10K, what's the other 5000 for? 792 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,840 R and RI don't know. Yeah. 793 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,960 I mean, yeah, that does make sense for each of the four PF 794 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:35,600 slots and a Mac, Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it would be smarter to 795 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,360 have 20 or $30,000. Well, 5000 leftover I guess if 796 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,880 you're gonna but you didn't quick play, then what's the 797 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,920 point? You're not. 798 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,800 You're not carrying it over. You're right, you're right, 799 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,560 you're right. I thought about it. 800 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,200 Yeah, as opposed to veteran mode. 801 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,160 In veteran mode you still start with four Max as you do in the 802 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,120 other mode, but you start with 150,000 credits to spend on 803 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,800 equipment and extra models if you would like to buy one. 804 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,480 Although this one you do choose a faction you can. 805 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,680 Everything else is pretty much the same. 806 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,400 You make a swap for ground forces, you don't roll, you do 807 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,640 purchase equipment. You give each model a call sign 808 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,480 and they name your combat unit. Those are the 2 modes. 809 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,760 Yeah, Yeah. Can we talk about this? 810 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,440 I mean, Quick Play, Quick Play's fine, but we we basically did 811 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,000 like a, we did like a kind of bastardized veteran mode 812 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,640 version. I think we basically just played 813 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,880 veteran mode like the first game of the campaign, right? 814 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,840 Yeah, well, how did we bastardize it? 815 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,520 I think we played it straight on. 816 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,600 Well, I think I put a bunch of messages like, we should do 817 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,480 this. No, we should do that. 818 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,160 And then I think it eventually just be like, let's just do 819 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,920 better remote optional rules. And then that's what we ended up 820 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,880 doing, yeah. I'm interested in doing put 821 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,280 play. It's interesting to have a mech 822 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,000 that has all platforms full with random stuff, you know, because 823 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,480 the way Ryan and I played it, we definitely have a couple of 824 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,320 units that are really dialed into a certain build. 825 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,240 And then I have two generic ones that I didn't spend that much 826 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:04,360 money on. I think there's a lot of room to 827 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,200 customizing that in a very interesting way in this game. 828 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,400 Well I mean after a game or two the amount of extra credits and 829 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,560 and weapons you and like salvage rolls you get would be enormous. 830 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,360 Like our base Macs I think feel really cool. 831 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,840 Absolutely. Out of the gate but bro like 832 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,360 like one or two games in like with mechs that survive like 833 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,120 dude. And like when we get there, I 834 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,960 don't know if I'm doing the after the combat rules, I'd like 835 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,480 to because I love them but I am writing notes from them. 836 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,040 But I do know them and I have pulled up but. 837 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,200 Anyway, moving forward. Back to building your combat 838 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,200 unit. So the first thing you're going 839 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,680 to take is factions. So each give you some fluff and 840 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,720 a cool bonus for building your combat unit. 841 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,800 You have mercs, mega corps, noble houses, and religious or 842 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,480 religious sects. The Lost and the Damned, and 843 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,240 then there's some additional factions that give you 844 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:03,280 additional things in the supplemental material. 845 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,320 I picked the mercs, which immediately started me with a 846 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,520 extra infantry unit that did not count towards my limit on my 847 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,120 maximum combat unit size. Ryan, you started as a religious 848 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,760 sect, which gave you I think, 30,000 extra credits. 849 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,120 Which I spend. You spent, it was great. 850 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,480 All of your guys had thrusters at one point and let you move a 851 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,120 little bit faster, but you rolled that money around the 852 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,880 other. Stuff your infantry didn't do 853 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,080 shit for two games, but it's right. 854 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,240 It survived. That is how you won. 855 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,000 That is how you won the world the the the final game because 856 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,320 we had two two each. But then you had your infantry 857 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,080 up because I forgot he was there and I could have just fucking 858 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,840 new geometry. You bet. 859 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,560 Yeah, dude, AI missiles on infantry. 860 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,120 AI missiles on infantry is going to make them way more effective. 861 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,840 It's, well, not only that. Not only that, if you use some 862 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,360 of the guerrilla warfare stuff too. 863 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,240 Oh yeah. Like the the the mines and stuff 864 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:58,200 like that. From the guerrilla warfare 865 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,240 pamphlet. Bro the infantry can be insane. 866 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,760 I. Urine for the mines, yeah. 867 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,880 There's also land and air vehicles too, which I think are 868 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,360 really. Cool. 869 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:19,840 Yeah, but did my interesting. OK, sorry. 870 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,440 Moving forward after the faction, we have the black 871 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,880 market. So you start with 150,000 872 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,440 credits or you don't right. So you have it here to spend in 873 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,320 the black. In the black market, credits are 874 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,000 just the money that you use for everything. 875 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,440 There is also a scrap yard option. 876 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:40,400 Upgrades, weapons and even MEX can be sold to the scrap yard. 877 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,600 All items can be sold at half the purchase price. 878 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,680 So if you want to get some money back, I honestly am going to 879 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,280 start running this as a house game in my own home. 880 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,840 And I actually think that I'm going to do a house rule for the 881 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,640 scrap yard because I'm a big Armored Core fan. 882 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,640 And Armored Core, 6/1 of the strongest things about it is 883 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,280 that you can sell back your equipment for the for one for 884 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,680 one, which allows a lot more like infinite customization 885 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,080 because you're not worried about losing money. 886 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,640 And I actually do think that's a lot of fun. 887 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,400 But you can make money in this game, so you don't really 888 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,840 necessarily need it. So within the black market, your 889 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,520 first option is going to be upgrade options. 890 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,440 There's some really insane things here. 891 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,080 I'm not going to go over all of them, but they're crazy. 892 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,400 We should touch on a couple though. 893 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,480 I mean, yeah. Let's touch on my favorite like 894 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,840 little loop that I put. Which is your favorite? 895 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,240 Yeah, well, I'm not talking about my favorite pairing that I 896 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:34,120 put together so far, but you can do out of the gate and it's 897 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,320 fairly effective. And Ryan copied me after he 898 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,160 realized I did. This was a good idea because. 899 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,800 I I I had half of it already, but then you deadly optimized. 900 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,160 It and then you're like, oh that's a good idea. 901 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,480 I'm like I know I'm a genius. So for upgrades the one I picked 902 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,400 was defense array only cost 10,000 and the defense array 903 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,480 anytime an any model gets within one inch of you which is melee 904 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,880 range, it's in gauge range. You may roll D6 on A4 plus the 905 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,600 enemy model instead is placed just outside of 1 inch so they 906 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,560 can't melee. This is an interesting thing, 907 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,680 especially if you want to keep people away from you, but it's 908 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,280 very interesting for a melee unit that is equipped with the 909 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,720 melee weapon, the cable. So melee weapons all within one 910 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,320 inch accept I think it's just the cable whip is a longer range 911 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,480 right? Yeah, I think, well, yes, 912 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,800 because I think the piston gauntlet just moves you away. 913 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,680 Yeah, that's the only melee with more range, so. 914 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,680 The range on the cable whip is 3 inches. 915 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,600 It does 2 damage, so you can attack from three inches away. 916 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,880 But if you're attacking A melee unit that only has a melee 917 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,160 weapon, they have to be within an inch. 918 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,280 And if you're attacking with a cable that's three inches, 919 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,880 they're engaged at 3 inches, which means they can't shoot at 920 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,080 you either. It's mind blowingly good and not 921 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,960 super. It's only 20. 525K25K it's. 922 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,240 The same. Cost as a heavy weapon like it's 923 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,000 not that bad. No. 924 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,160 And it created some like, it's a very interesting thing you can 925 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,680 do out the gate, you know? And I love that. 926 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,080 I love that you can make an interesting loop like that 927 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,600 immediately and not have to wait to build up a ton of credits. 928 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,560 But there's a lot of options like that. 929 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:09,800 We're not going to go through all of them. 930 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,280 The weapons are fantastic, some really cool options, especially 931 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,960 later as you get more money. I can't wait to get a rail 932 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,400 weapon. No. 933 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,040 So good, so good. Just in. 934 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,120 The straight line. Anything in the straight lines 935 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,400 getting hit. Beautiful. 936 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,200 Yeah, it's so good. I mean, obviously armor is 937 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,160 important, but like the weapons also have great mix and matches 938 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,960 and stuff like that. Like the the and, and like you 939 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,720 said, the the options for mixing and matching to do 940 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,520 customization. Like I picked a heavy weapon 941 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:41,920 which is like 4 damage which is crazy but then I paired that 942 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,960 with the long range targeting which ignored the -1 to CS which 943 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,320 let me beam across the board with forward damage which is 944 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,080 crazy. And if I bolster it, I'm now at 945 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,320 a three plus on ACS roll, you know, so it was it was there's 946 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,680 so much good combo. Like I still want to look at 947 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,680 like stuff with like Lance's. I had one guy that had a piston 948 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,560 gauntlet like. There's yeah the Lance looks 949 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,360 really cool. I am very interested in that. 950 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,480 It basically just if you make a move action it increases your 951 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,360 damage and you also gain armor piercing. 952 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,320 Which is dope. Which gives you the enemy of -1 953 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,040 to their armor roll or their armor roll is goes up by 1. 954 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,600 I can't remember which one it. Is yeah, whichever. 955 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,960 Whichever 1's worse, yeah. Whichever one's worse yeah yeah, 956 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,800 there's some fun to be had here like there really is. 957 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:34,240 I I can't say how much I want to play this game more after the 958 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,160 options for upgrades, melee and range. 959 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,760 You have ammo options. We didn't really use any of the 960 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,760 ammo options that's. That's one thing that I do like 961 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,480 about this game too, is that we didn't need to to feel like we 962 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,880 engaged with the game, but we can add it when we are 963 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,880 comfortable enough to. Great. 964 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,720 Yeah. So a big thing about the armor 965 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:59,160 is at the end of the game you roll AD 6 for each ammo you have 966 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,240 equipped and a one to three you're out. 967 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,480 So 4-5 and six you still have enough. 968 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,040 You have ammo left to use next battle, but you can use all up 969 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,240 in a single battle. A weapon may only have one ammo 970 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:14,800 equipped during a game, a weapon may only have one ammo equipped. 971 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,520 A weapon, which means that you have like 3 guns on what you can 972 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,760 have three different ammos. Absolutely. 973 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,760 And I think that that is rife for an interesting like time to 974 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,640 be had, you know, Bow. Show. 975 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,760 After that we have our ground forces. 976 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:40,000 So a combat unit and it says you must contain a minimum of two 977 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,800 mechs but you can take 2 ground forces to replace 1 mech in 978 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,720 combat. Ground forces obviously cannot 979 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,680 use melee weapons for Mac because your infantry dudes 980 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,520 using big swords doesn't make any sense. 981 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:55,240 You have a few options. You have the land vehicle, the 982 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:57,920 infantry and the aircraft. The land vehicle and the 983 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,240 aircraft are more expensive than the infantry. 984 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:02,840 A fun fact about the infantry though. 985 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,880 You can take 3 infantry and place one mech, Some other stuff 986 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,960 infantry can't ram yada yada yada. 987 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,960 Very interesting. The infantry though a rule for 988 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,160 it that is the most interesting thing is taking Garrison inside 989 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,080 of destructible terrain and they can fire from inside of 990 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,240 destructible terrain and if that terrain is destroyed on you roll 991 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,480 AD 6 on a one to four, they die in the wreckage. 992 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,440 I really wish we had done that and you had gotten to blow them 993 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,400 up. I'm also from mech walks over 994 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,680 and there's a good chance for squash them. 995 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:39,200 Yeah, yeah, Yep, yeah. After that we have the last bit 996 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,520 of making our combat unit, which is the call sign generator. 997 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,400 This is how I generated all of my call signs and I thought it 998 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,320 was awesome. Yeah, I had actually generated 999 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,880 my books in there. I had generated all call signs 1000 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,880 from this too. And then I decided to, you know, 1001 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,880 switch over. And if you want to know all 1002 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,680 about that, go watch the VOD. I'll switch over. 1003 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,000 I don't think I'm switch over some. 1004 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,760 I really love hard javelin and frenzy demon and phantom Walker 1005 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,560 and wayward core. Like I'm like these. 1006 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,360 Are both? Yeah, they're all. 1007 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,560 Really good. I will say I did because I I do 1008 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,800 love the part underneath the bottom here. 1009 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,920 I think the example is incredible. 1010 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,600 I want to read some of it. Brian needs to name him X so he 1011 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,640 rolls on. So basically the way the call 1012 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,440 sign table you want to tell you how the call sign table works. 1013 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,240 No, go for it. OK, so there's an A table and AB 1014 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:31,840 table and you basically roll 2D6 AD 66, so 2D6 and then 2D6. 1015 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,680 So if you roll like a three and a three and a four, you could 1016 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,360 have the word heavens, or you could go the other way and it 1017 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,040 could be 3 and a four and it'd be war, right? 1018 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,080 So you roll one on each. So you could put like, you know, 1019 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,960 2 and a three could be hell, and then three and a three could be 1020 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,720 machine. So you have hell machine, but 1021 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,680 you can also go machine of hell. Like you can go back and forth 1022 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,240 with this shit, right? And I love that. 1023 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,280 I love the way this is written. At the bottom it says Brian 1024 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,840 needs the name of X. So he rolls on table A, 1025 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,520 resulting in A2 and A1 getting heavy. 1026 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,440 He then rolls A6 and A4 on table B, getting Dragon. 1027 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,720 Playing around with the names, he doesn't like this mix very 1028 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,360 much, but he likes heavy. After reviewing the table he 1029 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,960 decides to name it Heavy Gear MK2. 1030 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,040 Brian used his head and decided to use the chart pair with his 1031 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,440 own imagination of what he thinks sounds cool for a mech. 1032 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,560 Be like Brian like I love the implied like like use your 1033 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,560 imagination, have fun and don't be dumbass like just like it's 1034 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,800 so it's I. That's one of my favorite little 1035 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,560 bits in the whole fucking game. I definitely let the names I 1036 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,000 generated determine how I built those mix too. 1037 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,160 Like I built Frenzied Demon who has a cable whip and has defense 1038 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,200 array and is like fast and meant to be like an up close like 1039 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,640 aggravator. And then I had Hard Javelin, 1040 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,400 which was my heavy knit with the long range systems that I just 1041 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,400 perched in a place and did not move the entire game and just 1042 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,280 took Hotshots. It's really interesting the way 1043 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,960 that the the call sign can you can either build based on what 1044 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,840 you roll or kind of like roll and then tweak based on what you 1045 00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,160 built because. Absolutely. 1046 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,000 I rolled 4 dudes and then had kind of ideas on my head and 1047 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,800 we're like, well, this name sounds more for like my heavy 1048 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,440 guy. This one sounds better for my 1049 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,520 light guy. And then kind of like mix and 1050 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,200 match and adapt it a little bit too because I would roll 1 and 1051 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,120 then it might be like when I roll the second one, it's OK. 1052 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,160 But I actually like this one better. 1053 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,480 So it was like this mix and match of of it, which exactly 1054 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,200 what it says to be like Brian anyway. 1055 00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:25,240 Yeah, a blast. It's pretty much the end of the 1056 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:30,880 building your combat unit. We have a little bit in between 1057 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,120 and then we can talk about the. Yeah, yeah, the rest of the 1058 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,080 book. Then we'll go into the rest. 1059 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,960 So now we're getting into the photos of people's Macs that are 1060 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,040 painted. My God. 1061 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,880 First of all, everyone is so incredibly talented and the 1062 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,640 photos are amazing. I love these guys here at the 1063 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,920 top. They're so fucking cool. 1064 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,840 Like they're all incredible. It's hard to pick out any, but I 1065 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,160 do really love these ones that are kind of like the off white 1066 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,080 with like the red wiring and and weapons and stuff. 1067 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,720 Those are fucking fire. Those are bi. 1068 00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,360 No where the person who took the number 13 got their very small 1069 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,680 infantry people because I want. Those let's, let's see, go down 1070 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,920 to 13 or is that the one that's like Garrison up on like the 1071 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:16,600 rocks and stuff? Yes. #13A unit of infantry. 1072 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,400 Will von Doom. They're in the inner suit. 1073 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,880 Test discord. Hop in there and ask them. 1074 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,160 Oh, yeah, I should. You're right. 1075 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,800 Yeah. But all of them are incredible 1076 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:31,520 and #15 here from Evan at it's what Evan, those are the 1077 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,200 original under the dice ramshackle minis. 1078 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,080 And they're fucking gorgeous. They're incredible. 1079 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,840 So yeah. And then more, even more, 1080 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,200 there's more like the, the variety of different mechs in 1081 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,680 here are are insane. And I love #18 to the nano BOD 1082 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,800 infection, one that has like this like cloud of nanobots, 1083 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,000 like swarming out of the, the one that's like falling down. 1084 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,280 It's incredible. That is a really cool. 1085 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,920 One, yeah, there's a really amazing one too that has like a 1086 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,160 did you see the infantry helicopter 1-2, number 7? 1087 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,320 No, I did not even track that. Oh yeah, very cool. 1088 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,360 Very cool air. Vehicle. 1089 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,800 Yeah, yeah. So cool. 1090 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,840 Anyway, so let's go over the rest of the book because it's 1091 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,640 actually talked about like playing a game. 1092 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,760 So where they that works is you pick a mission, you throw out 1093 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,520 your terrain, you pick your deployment zones, there's rules 1094 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,240 for multiple players. But basically one thing you can 1095 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,480 do that we didn't do but we would for next time is special 1096 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,520 objectives, which I love. So before a game begins, but 1097 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,560 after missions are selected, you choose in secret one special 1098 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,400 objective and write it down so it's your own like mission 1099 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,400 inside a mission thing. So examples like systems hot 1100 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,600 game, 10 heat, gain, 10 heat and then explode with a MEC. 1101 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,440 Boom, you get an extra. Yeah, I could have done it like 1102 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,560 crazy. You get an extra salvage dice 1103 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,040 roll at the table and the salvage gear table rolls are 1104 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,480 crazy. One of the other ones is cool 1105 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,080 comic collected. Finish the game with at least 1106 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,600 one MEC at 3:00 or less heat. So there's eight options here of 1107 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,240 cool little basically mini quests to do within your game 1108 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,800 that are the special objectives. And I love that they're they're 1109 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,240 so cool. Like basically you write it 1110 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,800 down, you know, put it in a thing and then at the end you'd 1111 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,400 be you flip it over and be like, yeah, I got it. 1112 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,840 I tracked it. Be like, well, it's so fucking 1113 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,400 cool. I love that it's so clever. 1114 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,360 What's interesting too is how much the Hives Come podcast 1115 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,520 talks about Mordheim and kind of like how Mordheim is such a 1116 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,680 central pillar of like the Ink 28, you know, kind of grim dark, 1117 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,680 like indie war game scene, how it just built off of it and how 1118 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,680 much this game you can see is influenced by it. 1119 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,440 Because you know, a lot of people say the Mordheim rules 1120 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,240 are fine, but the coolest part is like the after the game stuff 1121 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,480 where you turn in your weird stone and and upgrade your guys 1122 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,880 and do all the stuff. And you can tell that in the 1123 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,160 after action stuff here. And I think in that game there 1124 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,640 is also, I don't know whether it's in the core rules or a lot 1125 00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,840 of people play with it because I know I've heard, I think I 1126 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,280 believe Terry and them have talked about it is having little 1127 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,360 mini objectives within the game itself that you can do while 1128 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,960 you're playing the the base game too. 1129 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,400 So it's just a cool I, I, I think that's great. 1130 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,200 Is it something that even in some teacher RPGs we've looked 1131 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,720 at, there's been some that are like more combat focused where 1132 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:24,320 you can like earn bonus things like you took out like 10 dudes 1133 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,960 or whatever, Like you get a patch or something. 1134 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,240 It's just something cool that I think is really easy to add into 1135 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,960 war games because of the way they're put together. 1136 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,640 Anyway, there's loot tokens. So based on the mission and 1137 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,880 everything, loot tokens will be spacer on the board. 1138 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,720 And if you have loot tokens at the end, you also get, you know, 1139 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,040 salvage rolls and things like that. 1140 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:49,440 There are, I believe it is 12346 different missions that you can 1141 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,440 pick from. There's Warzone, which is 1142 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,320 basically, you know, kill them all. 1143 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,720 There's recovery, which is you're trying to both of you are 1144 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,120 trying to recover this piece of cargo. 1145 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,840 There is scavenge, which is actually like going around and 1146 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,920 hunting like relics inside ruins and things. 1147 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,920 There's burn to a crisp, which immediately made me think of the 1148 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:16,320 scenes in like horse heresy. Anyone that's read it, the horse 1149 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,560 heresy when the the sun starts burning across calf and people 1150 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,040 are being like chased by the sun before they like and they try to 1151 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,360 get into their ecologies before they're, they literally like 1152 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,520 melt in the radiation of the sun, which if you haven't read 1153 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,320 it, you know, whatever, but burn to a crisp like the sun. 1154 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,320 Basically it's a solar flare and it's you're scrambling. 1155 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,360 You have to like loot and then get back into like your bunker 1156 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,920 before you get hit by the sun. There's Hold the Line, which is 1157 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,240 like attack versus defense. One person's the attacker, one 1158 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,880 person's the defender and you kind of go that way. 1159 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,560 And then there is the Noble fight, which I think is dope as 1160 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,160 fuck. It's basically 1V1, but like as 1161 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,600 soon as like if you win round one, my next steps in and you 1162 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,520 keep going until you go down. It's kind of like A1V1 that one. 1163 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,280 Sounds like a blast honestly, like I would want to do that one 1164 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,880 with a whole new like unit set though and make like custom like 1165 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,800 one V1 or units you know? Yeah, be so cool. 1166 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,800 And then the way that it deploys too, once you once you your new 1167 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,320 guy comes in nine inches from the model you destroyed and six 1168 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,680 inches from the enemy model. So you just get to like kind of 1169 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,360 see where you like pop up and keep going. 1170 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:21,520 So cool. I love that one. 1171 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,600 We just did this game is great. Just did it's so it's so fucking 1172 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:28,920 good. We just did Warzone twice. 1173 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,040 And then there's after action stuff, which basically you're 1174 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,200 rolling for casualties and scars. 1175 00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,960 So basically if your neck goes down, you see if they're 1176 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:44,400 totaled, if they survive, like what kind of lingering damage 1177 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,840 basically that they have that you can try to repair before the 1178 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,920 next turn, but you can only repair like one thing before you 1179 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,040 have to go into your next mission. 1180 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,240 So that's really cool. Not going to get too deep into 1181 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,720 that. The salvage rolls which we 1182 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,320 talked about before there are you can have up to I think it's 1183 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,120 like 8D6, but each of the missions say like in special 1184 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,880 circumstances you can go beyond. On that and you get to basically 1185 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,360 do like a mini game of salvage. Did you see how this works where 1186 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,760 like you roll all your salvage? Yeah, I still need to do it. 1187 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,800 I still need to do it. I didn't save the first game, 1188 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,720 I'll do it for real after our second game that we just did, 1189 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,880 but. We need to remember well, a good 1190 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,760 thing we have a lot. It's actually because I want you 1191 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,520 to know, after the first game I rolled like three of a kind on 1192 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,280 the salvage gear, which is the best. 1193 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,440 Like, I mean, not the best, but three of a kind's good. 1194 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,160 Like there's some good stuff on there. 1195 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,160 Yeah, yeah. The way it works is like you 1196 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,880 roll all your salvage dice and you match up sets and there are 1197 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,840 a one through 6 and then they're single, two of a kind, three of 1198 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,360 a kind, four of a kind. So if you some I get 4 sixes, 1199 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,640 you get to roll once on each row of the table and and get 1200 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,120 whatever, right. But for like a single roll the 1201 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,880 lowest, like if you just roll A1, you get one D 6 * 1000 and 1202 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,000 then I think you get an extra like 1000 or something per 1203 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,720 salvage dice too automatically, yeah. 1204 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,560 Yeah, something like that. The worst thing you can do like 1205 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:09,840 if you have 8D6 is get like like 9000 credits, which I mean 1206 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,040 that's not great. You can't buy anything with 1207 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,920 that, but but it's cool. I love that it's like a mini 1208 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,680 game within the game, which is which is pretty sick. 1209 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,160 I. Rolled like game 75,000 and I 1210 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,120 was like fuck. You can buy a whole new fucking 1211 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,200 Mac with that. That's crazy. 1212 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,760 And then then there's like bunker stuff, which is basically 1213 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,720 your R&R thing. There's like some sheets here, 1214 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,280 campaign pages, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 1215 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,240 Some some photos of everyone actually playing the game, all 1216 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,360 the hive, some guys, and that's Arcane Bryan. 1217 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,520 And then the last thing that we're not going to talk too 1218 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,880 deeply about because it's not the free rules. 1219 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,000 So if you want the game by the fucking game is the campaign 1220 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,720 stuff. So there's more lore here on the 1221 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,320 Orion system, which gives you a breakdown of like all the 1222 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,720 planets and the inner circle, outer circle, stuff like that, 1223 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,680 which is great as just lore, the way that they do the lore. 1224 01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,800 And this is really cool too. We'll talk about that a little 1225 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,480 bit more. And then there is the Sumar 1226 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,280 conflict, which is the flames of Orion campaign, which is part 1227 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,920 we're really not going to go over because again, you don't 1228 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,080 pay the tail. Do a fucking PDF. 1229 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,000 It's fucking worth it. It's fucking worth it. 1230 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,120 And that's basically it. The campaign is made-up of like 1231 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,200 sectors, relics, the final confrontation. 1232 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,680 There's some more mercenaries that are part of it. 1233 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,880 Well, because you can pick like your mercenaries throughout the 1234 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,400 thing And and that's, you know, we can look at some of the 1235 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,080 mercenaries at least these are cool. 1236 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:38,120 So Undertow pilot Mack, you got the dark Demon with the pilot of 1237 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:42,960 David Dax Bauer, Fire fury with Donegal and the silent scream 1238 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,560 with Blaze the hammer. The number of different 1239 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,280 character sheets in here too is insane. 1240 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,160 So there's like a simple sheet. There's this one, which is a 1241 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,480 drawn sheet, which is really fucking cool. 1242 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,320 It's and then the the simple sheet. 1243 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,960 Here's a simple sheet, which is the one that I was using. 1244 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,880 This one is incredible. I'm not going to turn on the 1245 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,280 page here. Oh yes. 1246 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,040 It's ridiculous, The cockpit sheet. 1247 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,920 Yeah, What page am I on, 69? Yeah, I'll just turn this one 1248 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:15,440 page. Boom. 1249 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,720 Yeah, dude. This is if you have just like if 1250 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,520 it's a 1V1 Mac, like your noble fight or whatever. 1251 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,840 Yeah, it's actually from inside the cockpit, and all of your 1252 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,000 stats are like, on boards next to you. 1253 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,720 Incredible. One of the coolest character 1254 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,680 sheets ever. Ridiculous. 1255 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,280 Absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't say who did this one. 1256 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,840 Whoever did a good fucking job. It is stunning. 1257 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:48,400 It is absolutely gorgeous. So let's go counterclockwise and 1258 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,840 turn that back. And then that's basically it. 1259 01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,080 There's a little story here which is cool. 1260 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,080 It's like someone like basically thinking that it's going to be 1261 01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,800 all cool to, to join, to join up and you know, go be a mech 1262 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,280 person or whatever FAQ in the back. 1263 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:03,920 It's not. Cool. 1264 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,760 It's not cool. Shit sucks. 1265 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,960 Quick reference in the back which is fantastic. 1266 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,320 It's really good there's. Also an NQ page. 1267 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,080 There's a bunch of good answers on there. 1268 01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:13,800 Unfortunately, a couple of questions we have aren't on 1269 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,560 there, but yeah, it's all good. But yeah, that's basically the 1270 01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,200 that's basically the game. So let's get into the rest of 1271 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,280 what we're talking about. This one's going to run a little 1272 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,840 bit longer, but I think it's worth it. 1273 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,160 So thoughts, thoughts. What are your likes, dislikes, 1274 01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,200 miscellaneous Before we get into the metrics, which is basically 1275 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,920 a round out of of all of our thoughts, but what are your what 1276 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,960 are your general thoughts about Flames of Orion? 1277 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,680 Listen, we all know I'm a Big Mac guy, OK? 1278 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,000 We've established that Hunter loves a good neck. 1279 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,320 You know, I'm a big guy and I have been since like junior 1280 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:50,560 high, even though a lot of those games are bad and I this is so 1281 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,720 my ideal skirmish game, like it really is. 1282 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,440 There's enough in here to be interesting. 1283 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,680 It's not overly crunchy. It's a little more crunchy. 1284 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,160 Nothing we played. It's also just a thing that I 1285 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,560 like. I think the mechanics work 1286 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,280 really well together and they all make a lot of sense. 1287 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,760 Nothing about it isn't is very confusing or hard to hold in 1288 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,640 your brain as you're playing. I love this game. 1289 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,000 I really do. This one in Cauldron are like my 1290 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,760 like these are like up there for me. 1291 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:24,840 Yeah, I mean, easily. I mean, we've just been picking 1292 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,240 some banger fucking skirmish games too. 1293 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,920 I mean, Cauldron is absolutely incredible. 1294 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,960 I mean, so is this. I mean, again, I think the 1295 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,280 corollary that's closest is like mech 28, but I think I think 1296 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,920 they're different games for for for different reasons. 1297 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,040 We can go over that little bit more. 1298 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,440 But I, I I said this game Fox like it's it's really good. 1299 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,240 I I love playing it. It was great. 1300 01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,520 I've watched a ton of mech anime, but I have not I 1301 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,440 basically have no experience with mech video games, no 1302 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,160 experience with mech like war games. 1303 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,960 I never played battle tech. I never played armored corps, 1304 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,680 never did any of this stuff, but I just watched a fuck load of 1305 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:04,560 mech anime. So I really enjoy mech and like 1306 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,200 I said, the other one is that we've done recently is 28, but 1307 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,680 this is definitely not Lancer and I wouldn't I mean, I don't 1308 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:11,760 you like Lancer? It's too. 1309 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,880 I don't want to I. Do like, there's stuff, there's 1310 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,720 stuff I like about Lancer. It's. 1311 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,520 Too much, it's too much, and this is not so. 1312 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,200 The core of this game is very light and there is more crunch 1313 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,320 than than like Mech 28 for example. 1314 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,960 But all of the crunch is where you want it, which is in like 1315 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,200 customization and advancement. It's all the stuff that you can 1316 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,480 do out of game on your own in a fun like almost like mini game 1317 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:38,280 of like it was so fun building the Max, you know, and that's 1318 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,680 not something and that's something you do on your own 1319 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,920 prior to getting to the table and you can have fun doing like 1320 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,320 that's where you want the crunch of the game, not when you're 1321 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,520 trying to play and there's just all this bullshit in the way. 1322 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,360 And I think they did a really good job of making the core game 1323 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,680 super fun, super easy super play, but it's D sixes like 4 1324 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,280 up, like fucking roll the shit and just do whatever, right. 1325 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,240 And then having a lot of fun crunch. 1326 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,280 And you can tell by even the fact that like all three 1327 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,040 supplements is just is just more of that right. 1328 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,880 There's very few like additional or expanded rules. 1329 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,240 It's almost all weapons, mods, frames, factions. 1330 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,000 It's more customization, more advancement stuff, more of the 1331 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,120 fun crunch. So I think they did a perfect, 1332 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,400 it's a perfectly balanced that way with the core of the game. 1333 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,480 Like I said, by the second time we played, like we could play 1334 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,040 again right now without the rule book in front of us and I think 1335 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,400 we'd get 90% of it right just because we played once or twice. 1336 01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:38,680 Yeah, but I would spend, I would spend 6 hours and building a 1337 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,040 whole other combat, you know, You know what I mean? 1338 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,600 Like easy. Easily, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm 1339 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,640 still down for our idea where we do the elite units of our 1340 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,880 current like. Oh yeah. 1341 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,480 Actually, the way we're going where we start with like 250 or 1342 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,440 300,000 and just build from there, you know? 1343 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:57,000 Yeah, well, our idea was that you you can build any. 1344 01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:02,760 There's no credit limit. Lore wise, we are too. 1345 01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,720 And what's cool is we can actually pick two of the the 1346 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,640 ones from like you could pick like I could pick Aries and you 1347 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,760 can be what's the one that's going against Aries? 1348 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,120 It's like the CKSI think it is. Yeah. 1349 01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:15,920 I. Think it's an acronym so. 1350 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,160 Yeah, so you could pick those guys and be like we, we are 1351 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,319 lining up our top of the line prototypes. 1352 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:25,200 These are the best. These are the Cadillac versions 1353 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,520 of our shit with all the bells and whistles. 1354 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,600 Let's see how they go. You know, like a prototype 1355 01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,800 battle and you get unlimited money, but you can only have one 1356 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,920 platform that's worth 30,000 credits or more. 1357 01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:39,120 Yeah. Was the was the idea. 1358 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,160 I think that's a good limit. Yeah. 1359 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,800 I mean, my idea for that was that the I've been playing as 1360 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,359 the Raven feeders, as my mercenary group that I have. 1361 01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,399 And like I, I was like, oh, these are like the lower tier 1362 01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:52,040 Raven feeders. So I would play as like the 1363 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,040 elite squad of the Raven Feeders, you know? 1364 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,200 Yeah, that would be incredible. And like you could even do, you 1365 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:05,479 could even do like the, the faction that has like all like 1366 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:10,520 basically, you know, 2 mechs and all the rest of the fucking 1367 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,520 infantry like crazy because you can, you don't you get like 3 1368 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,680 infantry units per mech or something like you can get up to 1369 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,560 that. Yes, you can get 3 per mech. 1370 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,359 So you can have six infantry units with two mechs and have 1371 01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,200 them. All with like sticky. 1372 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,600 Bombs and mine, but that's the thing with with dude, there's 1373 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,600 like smoke bombs and mines and all sorts of shit. 1374 01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,840 It's crazy. The other thing, the other thing 1375 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,359 about that I wanted to talk about a little before this is 1376 01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:34,880 the way that the lore works in this because I mean, you know 1377 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,479 how I feel about teach RBG people lately like it is what it 1378 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,399 is, but I like lore. I like lore when lore is well 1379 01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:46,600 done, which means like not a convex position, Give me the 1380 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,200 setting and then and then let it go. 1381 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:50,640 You don't. Actualize it for me. 1382 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,880 Yeah, exactly. So the way this is, you get this 1383 01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,680 is the world, this is the timeline go. 1384 01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,080 And in the very back of the book you get like 2 or 3 pages of a 1385 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,560 little breakdown of the planets, which is very much like location 1386 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,440 description, which gives you like cool ideas and that's it. 1387 01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,880 But one of my favorite things and we've talked about them over 1388 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,800 and over again is the pamphlets, the extra bits. 1389 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,840 So I actually want to open one of those up. 1390 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,320 For example, let's look at, I keep talking about the Guerrilla 1391 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,800 Warfare 1. So let's look at the Guerrilla 1392 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,600 Warfare 1. So when you look at that, first 1393 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,400 of all, it's it, you know, split three, get to the fucking 1394 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,120 pamphlet, right. But going down to the bottom, so 1395 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,120 the bottom left, right, it's it's, it's very much done in 1396 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,200 world, which I love the way that they talk. 1397 01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,720 Like if you actually open up, like I'll open up 10O2 as well 1398 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,480 and you can read the beginning part of it and it literally says 1399 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:46,480 we're we're engineering a better tomorrow. 1400 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,480 We at Universal Industries are dramatically increasing the 1401 01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:50,800 pace, you know, blah, blah, blah. 1402 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,480 So it's like an in world document. 1403 01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:57,120 This is literally a catalog. This is like this is literally a 1404 01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,880 please enjoy this complimentary catalog of new technology. 1405 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,320 So it's like an in world thing with like the Aries frames and 1406 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,880 the Hades frames and all sorts of shit. 1407 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,680 But as you go through each one, the little descriptors in the 1408 01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,040 weapons and stuff give you so much world building. 1409 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,680 That's the lore that I like to see when it's built into in 1410 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:17,840 world stuff. You're already doing. 1411 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,480 It's not just like, oh, here's Bach text of exposition, right, 1412 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,600 Because you're learning about like Aries and Haiti's frames 1413 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,440 here. Like it literally gives you like 1414 01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:28,640 Hades is top of the line, blah, blah, blah, right? 1415 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:33,240 But then when you go into like like 10 O3, you can talk about 1416 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:37,480 it goes into Inner Sphere militia and, and you know, the 1417 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:39,000 void companies and all that kind of stuff. 1418 01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,800 And then in one of the pamphlets, it must be the one 1419 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:47,160 that I didn't open, it talks about how it talks about how 1420 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,240 which one didn't open 10O3? No, I didn't open 10 O2. 1421 01:11:51,600 --> 01:12:00,080 It talks about the war going on between I think Haiti score and 1422 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,240 Colossus Kinetic Solutions. So like right there on the back 1423 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,960 in this on this pamphlet, in this tiny little bit, there's so 1424 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,560 much world building just by describing these corporate 1425 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,000 factions about like shit that's going on in the world. 1426 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,520 This is how you do lore like in an in world kind of document for 1427 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,160 like expanded content and pay what you want pamphlet. 1428 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,280 You get a little bit more of what's going on with Haiti score 1429 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,120 versus Aries versus colossal kinetic solutions, you know, 1430 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,080 versus all the rest of that stuff like this is the way to 1431 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,440 fucking do it. Like, I don't know, that's also 1432 01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:30,640 one of my favorite things is the way that they drip the lore out 1433 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:35,840 in the game itself. As opposed to like opening the 1434 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,640 fire hydrant trying to drink, you know? 1435 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,720 Yeah, I don't need write a so many people in teach RPGs 1436 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,800 honestly, straight up genuinely need to just write short stories 1437 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:53,000 because like, yeah, anyway, so those are our random thoughts. 1438 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,520 So now let's run through our metrics real quick. 1439 01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,080 So what we do to kind of like round out and really solidify 1440 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,520 our thoughts and opinions of a game is we we quantify some of 1441 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,360 that stuff into metrics that we used to give scores to. 1442 01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,200 We don't need more. There's six things that we look 1443 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,120 at a game at. It is the art and layout, the 1444 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,440 usability, the rule set, the originality, the value and the 1445 01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,840 vibes of the game. So going into it right off the 1446 01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:18,040 bat, art and layout, thoughts, feelings, emotions. 1447 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,960 Am I going first? Yeah, it's. 1448 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,560 Fine. No, I'm just kidding. 1449 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,400 Yeah. So this is filled with like 1450 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,320 incredibly solid art, like all the way through. 1451 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,160 I love the the actual photos they've taken of of miniatures 1452 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,160 that people have made. They're beautiful. 1453 01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,040 There's page decorations all over the place, which I always 1454 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,960 really appreciate because it's just something a little bit 1455 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,480 extra that you don't have to do. But I love when it's done. 1456 01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:44,920 It looks really good. I think as far as the layout 1457 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,280 goes, it's incredibly solid and readable. 1458 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,640 I love the use of boxes in this and I love like the heading 1459 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,240 boxes have all these like kind of tacky look to them where 1460 01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,840 they're not just squares, they're a little decorated, 1461 01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:01,800 corners are chopped off. They like it's very good all the 1462 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,280 way through and very readable. It's good. 1463 01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,560 And and that's exactly like we've talked about this over and 1464 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,280 over again, like first of all, the we've said the art is 1465 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,680 incredible and we've seen a lot of art from a lot of these 1466 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,440 people, especially like Latin Hodag, but everyone else too. 1467 01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:18,120 Obviously a lot of my favorite pieces in here are by this 1468 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,320 person, Nico Lucido, fuck, fucking amazing. 1469 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:22,880 But they're all they're all incredible. 1470 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,200 And Martin McCoy, my fucking God. 1471 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,080 So if you've seen Necropolis at all, which we've played, it's 1472 01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:28,840 all Martin McCoy art all through Necropolis. 1473 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,280 Fucking insane. But like you said with the 1474 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:37,400 layout more teach RBG people need to learn the beauty of like 1475 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:42,320 a big black box like the way that it can separate your 1476 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,840 thought like my ADHD brain when I can see it again. 1477 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:48,680 This is why I look at things in pages not spreads because they 1478 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:49,800 don't want that much information. 1479 01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,600 A giant black box makes my brain feel so good because I can just 1480 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,040 separate it from everything else. 1481 01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,400 Like you said the layout like the the font choices are great. 1482 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:03,400 It is an extremely readable like body font, but then all of the 1483 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,560 headers are this like stencil font, which is perfect for for a 1484 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,640 mech thing. But like you said, the page 1485 01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,360 decorations all throughout, like that little bit of mech chunk in 1486 01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,880 the corner and everything and the little highlight boxes that 1487 01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,680 they put on the pages just it's great. 1488 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,560 It's great. It looks like aesthetically it's 1489 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,560 great. It's extraordinarily readable. 1490 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,040 I mean, it's white. The other thing too that you 1491 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,840 notice too, it's black text on white, but what's up with the 1492 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,840 white background? It's like a textured white. 1493 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,080 It's a textured white. I'm not, I'm not my eyes aren't 1494 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,960 burning out of my fucking skull on like a bright white fucking 1495 01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,760 background. So it's so it's a small thing, 1496 01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,480 but don't don't put a texture on your pages. 1497 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:44,760 And it's gorgeous. It's great. 1498 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,720 So again, aesthetically kills it. 1499 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,280 And one thing that I really like is a they have like, well, like 1500 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,080 6 different artists. They did a really good job of 1501 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,040 we've talked about this a bunch. Like it's really great when you 1502 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:58,960 have a book that has one artist all the way through. 1503 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,600 But if you're not going to, if you're going multiple artists, 1504 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,080 making them work together cohesively so it doesn't feel 1505 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,240 like it's all over the place is not that easy to do. 1506 01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,680 And I think they did a really incredible job here of, of doing 1507 01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,200 that. It's you very rarely will have 1508 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,760 like a piece by somebody right next to a piece by somebody else 1509 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,000 that makes it a little bit jarring. 1510 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,680 They they're separated by a page or two and then they and you 1511 01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,440 know, and full page pieces and stuff. 1512 01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:26,120 So it's great aesthetically, artistically, layout wise, 1513 01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:31,800 fantastic. So going into usability, Yeah. 1514 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,720 So the PDF we, we talked about this all the time on the show 1515 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,760 for 300 fucking episodes for four fucking years. 1516 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,680 Hyperlink your PDFs, bookmark your PDFs. 1517 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,360 Like there are 0 navigation tools like I'm going to open 1518 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,400 this bar, right? Nothing, no bookmarks. 1519 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,760 Most PDF things will do that automatically for you. 1520 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,680 There's no hyperlinks, there's no E9 hyperlinks. 1521 01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,800 So it says go to page 24. You can't click page 24, right? 1522 01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,120 Like I, I, you know, I think that a lot of people are 1523 01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,600 assuming like you're going to play at the table with this and 1524 01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,960 everything and that's great. And then ideally the the wire 1525 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,800 bound, but for APDF, you know, especially if this is going to 1526 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,440 be more a limited run for a while or whatever, like the fact 1527 01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:12,480 that you have the PDF for 10 bucks, it'd be so much better if 1528 01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:13,800 it was hyperlink, it'd be so much easier. 1529 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,160 Because we did have to scroll through it while we're playing 1530 01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,360 on Tabletop Simulator because we don't live anywhere near each 1531 01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:19,640 other. And we're going to continue to 1532 01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,080 play on Tabletop Simulator. And like, luckily, as we get to 1533 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,600 know the rules more, we'll have to reference them less. 1534 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,680 But like, we'll still reference, you know, Yeah. 1535 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,360 Well, the other thing too is on like the giant version of the 1536 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,440 PDF, which I do want to say like this version of the PDF is let 1537 01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:36,040 me, let me let me look at the size of this. 1538 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,040 I called it Flames of Orion huge. 1539 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:43,160 It's 838 megabytes fucking massive. 1540 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,840 Fucking insane. So big. 1541 01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,760 But also for whatever reason I don't know what they did with 1542 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,640 like the compression or non compression or whatever. 1543 01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,680 It's not searchable. I can't like control F through 1544 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,760 this PDF which I think it's a low previous one. 1545 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,880 You can. And the low res 1 you can which 1546 01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,400 is great. So I don't know, but also the 1547 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,120 low res how what? What's the size on the low res 1 1548 01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,920 it? Is quick access. 1549 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:17,360 It's like 70, it's like 70 something, isn't it 8989 1550 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,080 megabytes? And this one's, this one is 10 1551 01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:24,760 times bigger than the low res and it's, it's not you can't do 1552 01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,320 like a control F to like find shit in it because I still can't 1553 01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,280 find the rule that talks about shooting past your own guys. 1554 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,720 But I know it's in here somewhere anyway. 1555 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,040 So it would be great if it had digital resources because that's 1556 01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,360 how we're gonna play. Cuz like you said, we don't live 1557 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,640 near each other. So the PDF while we're in TTS is 1558 01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,040 where we're gonna play a lot. But outside of that, it does 1559 01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,600 have a ton of resources available, right? 1560 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,520 Like the like 4 different kinds of character sheets which are 1561 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,880 incredible. All of the expanded content 1562 01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,600 which has we're not, that's not usability, but like all of the 1563 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:55,800 extra stuff you have to play with it. 1564 01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,440 The character sheets and everything are fantastic. 1565 01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:58,760 There's a quick. Reference in the back. 1566 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,440 That's very usable. Reference in the back, Yeah. 1567 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,320 The book itself I think is laid out incredibly well. 1568 01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:06,320 Like. Rules. 1569 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,640 Character stuff and then actually playing the game and 1570 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,320 then the campaign stuff in the back. 1571 01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:13,120 I wouldn't change anything. I think everything is in like I 1572 01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,560 felt like when I read it front to back, it felt cohesive. 1573 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,160 I felt like I understood and it's it almost every time. 1574 01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,240 What I wanted was what came next, right? 1575 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,240 So it's it's really well done, well put together. 1576 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,680 The only thing that obviously we're gonna harp on because it's 1577 01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,360 what we harp on again forever is digital tools in the PDF would 1578 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,200 be so nice. And it's really not that hard. 1579 01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,800 Whether you're in Infinity or I assume this is an Indesign, you 1580 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,040 literally just highlight and then select where you wanted to 1581 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,680 go. It's super easy anyway, so that 1582 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,920 is usability and like I said, perfect version of the game. 1583 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,000 Please put out another like playing version of the game that 1584 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,320 just. Comes into those man. 1585 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,800 Yeah, spiral bound one. Thank you, Steve. 1586 01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,120 I appreciate it so much. I don't know, adding this and 1587 01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,600 the dice and the neck and everything is very, very nice of 1588 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,280 you and I will forever be grateful because it is my 1589 01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,120 favorite version of flames is is that version? 1590 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,960 So anyway, so moving on to rule set. 1591 01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,360 So do you want to start? You want me to start? 1592 01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,160 Yeah, I'll go. I mean, I think that it's solid 1593 01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:14,560 and fun. Like like you said earlier, the 1594 01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,800 bulk is really around building, but you can do that in your free 1595 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,120 time. You don't you're not doing that 1596 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,000 table at the table. It runs really smooth and it's 1597 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,360 very easy to understand, like we had a couple of questions, but 1598 01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,000 that we were able to make decisions in the moment and 1599 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:31,360 overall really great. I especially enjoy the emphasis 1600 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,360 on the long term play and the tools it gives you for that, and 1601 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,320 the possibilities for what your Mac becomes as it moves forward 1602 01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,920 through this story. Yeah, I mean, at some point 1603 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,320 early on it does say maybe it's the only Kickstarter page. 1604 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:47,720 This was designed to be a campaign game. 1605 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:49,040 Yeah. Like there's a quick play 1606 01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,360 option, which is fine, but you can tell obviously, like the 1607 01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:55,320 campaign aspect is what it is meant to be. 1608 01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,760 And I think they did an incredible job with that. 1609 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,120 Like I did redo the campaign. Like I didn't read it thoroughly 1610 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,200 because I want to play it, so I don't want to like, yeah, give 1611 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,360 myself any, you know, someone has to read this, so it's not 1612 01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,160 going to be spoilers, but I want to wait till we actually get 1613 01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,000 playing into it. But all of the advancement 1614 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,880 stuff, the salvage, the salvage tables, like the scars and 1615 01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:19,000 things like that, It is. It is built to carry MEX over to 1616 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:24,720 the point where like I, I would want to paint scars onto my MEX 1617 01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,240 and I would want to like chop arms off and like put new shit 1618 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,000 like you know, it's, it's you know, it's, it's, it's great. 1619 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,720 And, and again, the rules. So D sixes, pretty much D sixes, 1620 01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,320 you know, and the rule of cool, if you're not sure, roll AD 6 1621 01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,200 and just go with it. And that's what we did for the 1622 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,440 questions we had, which are destructible terrain explosions. 1623 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,160 It took us about 3 seconds to be like fuck it, let's just do this 1624 01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:45,280 and. Go, I guess, totally. 1625 01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:47,600 Totally fine. And there's nothing in the game 1626 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,360 that you can fuck up that would break it. 1627 01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,160 I think it Which is a sign of a good game, yeah. 1628 01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,920 Absolutely. That's rule set, so originality 1629 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,920 it's Max. My original note is Lily says 1630 01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:06,480 the Fires of Rubicon, which is the name of the last Armored 1631 01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:08,560 Core game, is the Fires of Rubicon. 1632 01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,960 Gotcha. But it's not about the sun 1633 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,440 burning out. The fires are different. 1634 01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,080 But yeah, you know what? Whatever, man, It doesn't need 1635 01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,560 to be the most original concept ever. 1636 01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,200 I don't talk about that. It just needs to be good, you 1637 01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:21,240 know? That's the whole point. 1638 01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,520 That's the thing with originality is like, it only 1639 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,920 matters as much as it matters. And like, what can you possibly 1640 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,720 do with MEX at this point? That would be like a holy 1641 01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,000 original idea. It doesn't matter. 1642 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,920 So all you all you need to do. Feel derivative or does this 1643 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,920 feel like an homage or inspired pie? 1644 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,960 You know it definitely. Feels like homage and inspired. 1645 01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,040 Like. Nothing about this feels 1646 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,440 derivative in any way, shape or form. 1647 01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:41,920 Couldn't agree more, you know. Yeah. 1648 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,000 And and that's the whole thing is like like it doesn't need to 1649 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,560 have incredibly original ideas, but like you said, is like, does 1650 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,440 it take its inspirations, do what it wants to do with him and 1651 01:22:52,440 --> 01:22:56,480 do it well, like abso fucking lutely right, like it is 1652 01:22:56,480 --> 01:22:59,560 whatever it wanted to do it did you know, and that and that's 1653 01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,880 what's important value. So let's talk about the value of 1654 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,000 it. So physical to get the book to 1655 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:11,360 get this version of the book right here, which is soft cover. 1656 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,160 It's got a nice soft touch outside, like the non 1657 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:21,120 fingerprinting one. It is a total of so 80 pages 1658 01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:28,360 with cover is $30 and then on top of that there is the PDF 1659 01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,840 which is 9999. It's 10 bucks on each 10 bucks 1660 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,880 for the PDF. Fucking steal. 30 bucks is fine. 1661 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,720 But in addition to that you also do there is the free version of 1662 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,400 the game which is all the rules you need to play the game minus 1663 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,720 some art in the campaign stuff. But then just the fact that the 1664 01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:52,120 three expansion pamphlets are pay what you want, which pay pay 1665 01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,320 a couple bucks if you have them, but theoretically free. 1666 01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,400 The fact that you can play this game entirely free is great, but 1667 01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,040 I highly recommend actually getting the book. 1668 01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:02,600 Oh, I've got to say, there is a T-shirt. 1669 01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,680 I got the T-shirt too because a fucking course I did. 1670 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,240 But it's worth it I think. I don't know if when you buy the 1671 01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,760 physical you get the PDF, I'd be shocked if you didn't. 1672 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,720 But as part of the campaign too. Other things you can get are STL 1673 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,560 files of a shit load of mechs. And it's not just the mechs, 1674 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,600 it's all the mech parts too. So you can kit bash out of like 1675 01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,480 the I think 10 different fucking frames and and and things that 1676 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:34,840 are that are part of the STLS for this. 1677 01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,680 I'm pull it now. I just want to just say how many 1678 01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,080 frames and stuff are in here as part of the STL files. 1679 01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:57,440 There are 12345678, there are 8. There are 9 frames plus all of 1680 01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:59,840 the weapon parts and bits and stuff to all of them that you 1681 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,520 can get bash all of the stuff you want with it. 1682 01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,480 So I mean that in and of itself is is fantastic. 1683 01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:07,360 So anyway, good value. I think 10 bucks for the PDF is 1684 01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,520 is exactly what you expect to be. 30 bucks for the book is 1685 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,040 fine. And then you get all of the 1686 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,760 character sheets, you get all of the pamphlets, you get all of 1687 01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,160 the extra stuff. Great value. 1688 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,560 And then vibes. I mean, what are your thoughts 1689 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,040 on the vibes? Oh, I I've been pretty clear 1690 01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:26,600 about how stoked I am on this. I'm waiting for our next time to 1691 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,520 play this, actually. Like we have to play another 1692 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:30,880 skirmish game before we review it. 1693 01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,040 I'll be bummed that we're not going to be playing Flames of 1694 01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:38,360 Orion, you know? Yeah, I mean, yes, I so we 1695 01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,720 didn't talk about this before, so we we can talk about it now. 1696 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:44,320 Mech 28 Flames of Orion. I mean, I think that's the the 1697 01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:46,680 the kind of like corollary recently. 1698 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,240 So like in the indie scene, like are you going to play Mech 20? 1699 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:50,480 Are you going to play Flames of Orion? 1700 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,000 And what's interesting is I don't think that's really like a 1701 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,680 choice you have to make like because at the end of the day, 1702 01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,480 what I would do is if I was going to play quick play Flames 1703 01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:00,720 of Orion, I would just play Mech 28 Arena, totally. 1704 01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,320 I just do buy mech 20 the arena and I put all the fun extra 1705 01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,520 stuff on that comes with arena and make it like a quake esque, 1706 01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,960 like a unreal tournament style mech game. 1707 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,240 Yes, which is what I would do, which is because I think in in I 1708 01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,640 think cuz that game is designed for that, that style of play. 1709 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,280 It doesn't really when you, when you look at regular mech 28 1710 01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:24,920 there you could, you could campaign it if you want, but I 1711 01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,040 think it's more designed for kind of like the one shoddy kind 1712 01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,200 of play. But if I wanted to play campaign 1713 01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,240 stuff, Flames O'Brien has all the extra bits he won for it. 1714 01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,440 So there's no I know I created the choice of one or the other, 1715 01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:36,080 but there's no reason too, because it's just whatever 1716 01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,360 you're doing on the day. You just pick one or the other. 1717 01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:39,880 And I think both are fucking incredible. 1718 01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,920 So I just think, yeah, they're too, they are different. 1719 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,280 And also, yeah, if I have very little time to set up Mech 28th 1720 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,240 the way I'm going because take a lot of time to set up. 1721 01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,680 Right, but if you if, like you said, like you, we want to do a 1722 01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,040 campaign, we want to keep it going. 1723 01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,520 I think that the the the meat for that is in flames. 1724 01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,960 And I've again, I think the campaign, the campaign aspect is 1725 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,560 fantastic like because we even talked like we did basically 1726 01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,480 quick play and we said fuck it, let's just do the campaign style 1727 01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:07,520 anyway, because we won the customization. 1728 01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:11,160 So that's flames of Orion. We just talked about it. 1729 01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,560 Like you literally just said, you know, if if we have to play 1730 01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:14,840 another skirmish game, you're going to be sad. 1731 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,760 It's not this one. So if that's not like saying how 1732 01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,880 we feel about Flames of Orion, that is, that is what it is 1733 01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:25,280 outside of a couple of rules clarifications that could easily 1734 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,960 be added in FAQ or just ignored because who the fuck is what we 1735 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,680 think? Yeah. 1736 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,000 And then we didn't talk about it. 1737 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,120 But there are like, I mean, there's, I mean, to be pedantic, 1738 01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,160 there's a couple typos and run on sentences and like that 1739 01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,840 things that could be like grammatically cleaned up just a 1740 01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,880 tiny bit. But that's yeah, that's being 1741 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,040 that's me being a piece of shit. But it's it's incredible. 1742 01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,600 Like it is, it is fantastic. I mean, I can't at this point, 1743 01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,600 the problem is like I can't pick the famous scrimmage game that 1744 01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,920 we've done. I mean between Necropolis, 1745 01:27:53,280 --> 01:28:00,440 Cauldron 28, Flames of Orion, like I couldn't like those are 1746 01:28:00,440 --> 01:28:02,480 top four and I couldn't pick which ones my favorite. 1747 01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:05,840 For me or my top 2 so. Yeah, I don't know. 1748 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:06,960 I love Necropolis. I mean. 1749 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,480 Yeah. On any given day, it could be 1750 01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:10,520 any of them. You know what I mean? 1751 01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,120 Because like Necropolis is incredible, you know, but if you 1752 01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,720 want something, maybe it's a little kind of goofy, your 1753 01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,840 cauldron is fantastic. And then if you want to do like 1754 01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,360 crazy arena quake stuff, you got MEC 28. 1755 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:22,720 If we're going to run a campaign, you got flames. 1756 01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,360 I mean, there's all of them are those are the top 4, you know, 1757 01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,840 because we, we've played, you know, a couple other ones, but 1758 01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,720 those are the ones that like on any given day, I would be happy 1759 01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:36,280 to play any one of those. But flames, it's it's great. 1760 01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,880 It's incredible. Buy it sports Steve, go listen 1761 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,480 to the high school podcast. You know, get all the flame 1762 01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:44,400 shit. Go to underthedice.com. 1763 01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,000 The links below will be exactly where you fucking think they 1764 01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,080 are. If you're happen to be at 1765 01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:53,080 Adepticon coming up at the end of March, I will be there. 1766 01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:54,920 Say hi. I have my game death cut in 1767 01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,840 stone. I'll put my stickers back. 1768 01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,040 That's a game I would be actually like, I wouldn't be 1769 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,600 supposed to play that game, so. Yeah, but I'm not going to wrap 1770 01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,040 that game at the end of this stream. 1771 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,040 Death in a stone. Go find it if you want, Google 1772 01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:09,920 exists. But go play Flames of Orion. 1773 01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,000 Buy it, have fun with it. Trust me, you will. 1774 01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,920 And at some point in the next three weeks, I will have my 1775 01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,320 Flames of Orion war band painted up and I'll show them off on 1776 01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,360 stream. But until then, we will see you 1777 01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,480 when we see you and we'll talk to you later. 1778 01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:27,360 Thank you so much. Bye.