1 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,000 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,240 My name is Ryan. And I really get that like, elf 3 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:22,360 is your class in this game, but I'd really like to be like an 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,200 elf warrior. Is there a way we could like 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,360 hack it so I could be like, you know, two things at once? 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,640 And today we're looking at Mini BX from Lucas Rahlem. 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,240 This is a a disruption subversion or even a profanity 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:45,360 against D and DBX. Neat little game, nice little Z 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,480 and and we'll get into it. That's probably the longest name 10 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:51,320 you've ever done. That actually wasn't a name at 11 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,960 all. Yeah, so far. 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,760 So far. That actually reminded me of a 13 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,200 note that I meant to make. Remind me when we start talking 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,800 about elves, if maybe I just didn't look deep enough on 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,960 elves. Which it's funny because it's 16 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:07,600 very counter to how I actually feel. 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:14,280 I actually love the old school race as class of like BXOD&D 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,280 like I, I think it's very interesting, you know? 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:24,040 I think it's interesting. I'm curious like I need to read 20 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:33,040 deeper on why and knowing Gygax I'm worried and that's my only. 21 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,720 I'm sure what has what has Gygax ever said or done anything 22 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,800 problematic at all? You know you. 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:46,000 Know what never, never. Just such just a paragon of of 24 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:52,320 of understanding and truth, you know, so, so yeah. 25 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:57,560 So today we're looking at mini BX Lucas Rolam, great lat am 26 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,080 RPG, lat am creator. We've looked at think maybe just 27 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,960 one and I don't think you were here for it. 28 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,880 We looked at packs and blades. I think I was done with Kirby. 29 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,400 Yeah, yeah. Great game. 30 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,320 A lot of stuff has come out like Salamander House and other 31 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,600 things for that super interesting, fun little system, 32 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,000 very more cocky and system. So so I was excited to go 33 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,040 through this. I've had this one for a while on 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,000 my shelf. I don't. 35 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,040 Don't have a physical of this. I so we'll let's talk about 36 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,320 that. Let's let's get into, let's get 37 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,280 into mini BX little bit because I got I got listen, 2025 is a 38 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,640 new year for us. We take notes. 39 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,280 So we have we have information. Yeah. 40 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,480 So, so Mini BX, as I said, disruption, subversion or even 41 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,640 profanity against DNDBX. Mini BX was, as far as I can 42 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:51,960 tell, originally released on Itch on December 2nd, 2021 as 43 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,320 part of a slow funding campaign and reached its final goal of 44 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:01,080 3200 bucks on May 6th, 2022. I'm saying as far as I can tell, 45 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,920 because usually the Itch funding goal has like the, you know, the 46 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:06,520 bar across the top, but I think after a point it comes off. 47 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,200 So I don't know what the final tally was or, or anything like 48 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,120 that for the funding. So that's gone now, but but that 49 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,280 funded a number of stretch goals, which included a 50 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,120 character sheet. Oh, I have a graphic for this. 51 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,160 I mean, let me throw this up on on screen. 52 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,520 Hold on everyone. If you're listening, just 53 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,960 imagine it. I don't have a graphic. 54 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,120 Yeah, well. Let's go to fit to screen, but 55 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,440 this is the graphic I stole from the Itch page. 56 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,920 I'll throw that up here so people can see it in podcast 57 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,720 line. But I'll read it for those in or 58 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,480 on the show. But I'll read it. 59 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,600 For those in podcast land, a number of search goals which 60 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,720 included a character sheet from Bruno Perseco, mini settings 61 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,400 from Gontigo and Emmanuel Mello, a bestiary from Alex Demacino, 62 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,360 adventures from Victor Ameren and Giliano Riverato, and a 63 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,920 dungeon by Dio Naguera, and finally a Hollow Earth setting. 64 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,040 And then physical copies were released on June 28th, 2022 on 65 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,320 the Soul Muppet Shop. And for those that don't know, 66 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,440 the Soul Muppet shop, the Soul Muppet US shop, I think it maybe 67 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,680 it's just AUS shop or the UK one, I don't know, has an entire 68 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,200 RPG lat AM section. So a lot of the physical stuff 69 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,680 from a lot of the Latin South American creators ends up on 70 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,200 Somopa shop, which is where I got like, I don't think I got 71 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,000 rad there, but I got like cantrip and like basically my 72 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,840 entire section up here that you guys can't see. 73 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,280 But that's the entire like lat AM section on my shelf. 74 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,520 A big a vast majority of that comes from soul Muppets. 75 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,160 So a lot of really, really cool stuff there. 76 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:48,600 So that's pretty neat that they have that as an option for for 77 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,800 that. So the the print run it was back 78 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,760 in 2022, I don't think it was a huge print run. 79 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,640 I don't know if they printed more than one and that's why 80 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,720 this is pretty hard to find. Yeah. 81 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,880 But I snagged 1 and got it. Beautiful looking scene. 82 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,800 I will say Bruno Preseco art all the way through and and Bruno's 83 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,720 art slaps super super hard did. You look at any of the like 84 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,480 adventures or stuff that also come out like the. 85 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,680 Yeah, I remember. I remember as they were actually 86 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:20,960 popping out some of the stuff too. 87 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,600 But why did you go? Did you deep dive any of those? 88 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,120 Just the I looked, I scammed not deep dive the the cult of the 89 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,120 blind God, because I opened it and immediately I was like, 90 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,880 that's that's P Rs art and I'm a huge perplexing ruins art fan. 91 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,040 So I was immediately drawn in. It looks cool. 92 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,960 Yeah, I mean, all of them look really great. 93 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,480 What I really, I think we talked about some before the show 94 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,440 started. This is a great, great gathering 95 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:52,520 of like a lot of the biggest names in RPG Latam to to make 96 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,040 this between like the art, the adventures, the the extra 97 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,960 settings, all of that stuff, just amazing creators. 98 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,720 I don't and you know, I'm sorry if I'm wrong. 99 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,400 I don't believe everybody is Brazilian. 100 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,840 I do think it's like a mix, but I could be completely wrong. 101 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,800 But everyone in the world's Brazilian, there are other 102 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,200 people as well, so. Well, so I'm wrong. 103 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:21,280 Fuck me, but but just a really great gathering of Latin South 104 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:24,840 American creators to to do this little thing from art to 105 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,360 settings and everything else. Because again, when you, when 106 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,680 you go buy this on itch, it, this is like the smallest part 107 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,640 of what you're going to get. You get a massive folder of, of 108 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,120 stuff and we'll talk about that in value later. 109 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,280 But that's that's the intro to Mini BXI. 110 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:43,120 Don't think there's anything crazy that we need to, to catch 111 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,520 up or talk about. And if there is, I don't 112 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,800 remember it. So why don't we just hop in? 113 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,280 Sure. All right, let's fucking do it. 114 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:58,200 Let's get this out of the way, Mini BX. 115 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,880 So again, insane cover. Let me show the whole cover here 116 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,320 zoom to page level Burnham sickos art kills it. 117 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:16,160 It's we got 3 adventurers that are on in a in a very Donkey 118 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:23,840 Kong ass like mine carts. You know going across a looping 119 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,000 track in the sky with a bunch of monsters around it. 120 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:34,880 That is a why the name of this monster immediately jumped out 121 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,960 of my head the second I flipped to it, but I knew it was before. 122 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,360 It's the one that's like a brain with a beak with tentacles. 123 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,120 I don't know the name of that one, I've seen it before, but 124 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,200 you know. God, oh God, I feel like it's 125 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,280 like a growl or so It's not a is it a grill? 126 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,680 Maybe it's a grill and I'm sorry, we're immediately going 127 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,000 off a grill. Yes, I was right. 128 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,960 Yes, John, John pulled that right out of my 5E ass. 129 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,480 There's a ghrel and then another creature on that and I think it 130 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,200 folds over to the back. I'll flip to the back real 131 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,800 quick, but it's the front and the back and the PDF. 132 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,520 So I can't stop them together. But on the other side, it's got 133 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:16,040 this this giant open mouth of this statue it laid it's it's 134 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,320 fire the the whole cover and all the art thread is fired. 135 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,160 Bruno just does some incredible, incredible work. 136 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,400 And then the colors all the way through are like a I could burnt 137 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,000 orange and like a dark kind of maroon. 138 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,040 It's the very interesting color combination. 139 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,560 Yeah, it's a cool color combination. 140 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,880 I do like it, you know. I can't really think of anything 141 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,919 that kind of looks like this color combination, except for 142 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:40,159 it's not Auburn. There's a football team that 143 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:46,320 kind of has like a maroon and and orange, orange layer. 144 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,120 Football. You lost me so. 145 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,320 Yeah, well, all Alabama has is Crimson Tide in Auburn. 146 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,520 So and I mean that like in totality. 147 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,080 But but yeah, some more great art pieces as we go through, 148 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,760 like in Page art on the inside, which is really fire, a really 149 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,200 cool piece of a, a figure holding a sword downward, very 150 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,920 Bronze Age kind of looking sword, very gladius kind of 151 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,520 style. Beautiful. 152 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,000 And then we get to a table of contents. 153 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,920 So. So this is obviously a Zine, 154 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,200 right? It's only what is it like 2028 155 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,200 pages? I read an older version of this. 156 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,440 I read an older version of this. Oops. 157 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:37,360 I I opened the one called print. OK, maybe it's the same version. 158 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,240 I just opened the not the not print one. 159 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,200 Yeah, that's fine. Well, it's so the print, it's 160 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,280 called print, but it's the one that was like the same version 161 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,360 as one that's called spread. So I figured the print was just 162 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,200 like the pages version, which is what worked. 163 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:58,080 But but yeah, so that's no, I scrolled all the way back to the 164 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,080 beginning. Then we're going to server. 165 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,240 So 25 pages not on hyperlink table of contents. 166 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,440 Obviously we would prefer it, but we're not going to hit it as 167 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,400 hard in, in this. We don't even have a usability 168 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,240 score in NZ and so it doesn't really matter that fucking much. 169 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,760 But we do have a table of contents here. 170 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,160 It's an interesting whether they do. 171 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,760 The table of contents. Nothing is really separated out, 172 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,520 but it gives you everything that's on each page, which I 173 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,200 think is neat. Yeah, so it starts on 174 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,480 serviceable. Yeah. 175 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,440 Yeah, I think it's really interesting. 176 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,000 I don't know if I have seen a Zine that does that before where 177 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,760 it doesn't give you like the header for it and then the page 178 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,200 number. It gives you the page number and 179 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,440 all the stuff that's on that page. 180 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,760 I don't know, it's neat or like starts on that page. 181 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,440 So it it's cool and the graphic design is really cool. 182 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,040 Oh, let's do they. Is there a? 183 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,160 Is there? Here it is. 184 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:47,520 Here it is. I wanted to Scroll down and make 185 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,960 sure that they do. We'll get to it then. 186 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,480 We'll just go in the order that the book is right now. 187 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,040 Yeah. Well, usually, like the layout 188 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,880 in writing is before the content. 189 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,520 Yeah, but yeah, there's a bunch of stuff. 190 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,120 I'm not going to go through all of it because we're going to go 191 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,720 through all of it in a second. Again, there's only 25 pages and 192 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,080 a lot of it is going to be like, this works like how you think it 193 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,120 works. More sick art, a really cool 194 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,640 figure, kind of like diving to the side of some arrows, holding 195 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,360 a sword and a shield. Again, super fire. 196 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,480 And then we get into a what is this? 197 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,120 I will say one of my favorite things about this book is what 198 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,360 we're going to get into in a little bit. 199 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,800 I don't know why don't just keep going then shut the fuck up and 200 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,000 get there. But that's what I do. 201 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,320 So what is this? With the OSR movement's 202 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,120 progress, which seeks to restore the experience and play style of 203 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,080 the first editions of D and DI, decided to create this 204 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,600 minimalist hack of the rules for BX with some additional design 205 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,480 touches that I find pertinent. There's an extra space in there, 206 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,640 but remember, these are minimalist rules that will in no 207 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,200 way cover all game situations. In other words, collaboration 208 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,960 rules, adaptations, and even new rules are welcomed and 209 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,520 encouraged. If you still don't know about 210 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,560 tabletop RPGs or the old school movement, welcome. 211 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,560 A quick Internet search or two will let you learn much more 212 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:07,720 than a wall of text here, so I'll leave that to you. 213 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:14,920 I do like that part, Wolfwald. This is like a mini kind of 214 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,680 version of of what Wolf all did, where they said like, we're not 215 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:19,280 going to give the whole system, We're just going to give this 216 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,280 shit you need to tack on to whichever version of the system 217 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,960 you want. And I really like that where 218 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,160 it's just like, I'm not going to intro you to RPG. 219 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,440 Google exists, right? And I'm a big fan of that. 220 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,800 I'm a big fan of games, like a lot of games we've talked about 221 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,000 this over and over again are written as intro games that 222 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,960 aren't intro games, right? And give you like, what is this? 223 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,320 What is the TBRPG? What is role-playing? 224 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,360 And it's like, this isn't going to be anyone's first game. 225 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,120 Don't do that. It's just waste of waste of 226 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,240 paper. I want I want a three page 227 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,560 description of what RPGs are and the lineage of the one that I'm 228 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:56,280 currently reading, right? It's just like it's like 229 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,440 watching a movie, right? And it's like, but it's a 230 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,120 Criterion collection at the beginning tells you how like how 231 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,440 to enjoy a movie. It's just like we like we're not 232 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,080 this deep without knowing, right? 233 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,440 So there's another section here. It's the forward and game design 234 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,400 choices. I'm going to skip some of this 235 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,640 and get down to here. It says keep in mind that this 236 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,000 game is a disruption, subversion or even a sacrilege against the 237 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,600 old dragon game. Very buzzwordy. 238 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,040 I don't know if it's quite a sacrilege. 239 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,280 It's just a hack. It's yeah, that. 240 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:29,920 You know, but I'll, I'll take it. 241 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,320 That's a good buzz line. Like the the better buzz line 242 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:33,680 than a lot of the things we've read. 243 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:39,320 Anyway. An attempt to make this game our 244 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,000 own. This is a culmination of 245 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,200 thoughts, studies, and insights made after years playing, 246 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,880 talking, and reading blog posts about BX and its retro clones. 247 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,560 Game design topics will be further elaborated in the Game 248 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:54,080 Design Notes, parentheses, GDN in the appendix. 249 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,520 Probably my favorite part of the game. 250 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:59,120 I love the game design notes. What are those? 251 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,400 And we're, we're actually going to bounce back and forth between 252 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,000 those when they're pertinent as opposed to waiting to read them 253 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,960 all at the end because I really love them. 254 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,760 So I'll, I'll wait till we hit the first one to be able to go 255 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,120 down and get it. But it's literally like, it's 256 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,080 not like tips or guidance or anything like that. 257 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,880 It's literally the thought process right now. 258 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,280 Like my opinion is this. So I thought that and that's why 259 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,760 I did this and I fucking love it. 260 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,640 We'll go over a little bit more later, but I wish more games did 261 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:31,000 that and I'll do my spiel now. Death of the author, right is a 262 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,920 thing that exists and has been blown way beyond. 263 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,200 It's very limited, if necessary at all, proportions. 264 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,040 Like death of the author. For those that aren't aware, is 265 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:45,920 is a literature term for reading intent into literature, but it's 266 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,320 supposed to be for literature people that try to imply death 267 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,360 of the author in like tabletop role-playing games. 268 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,000 It's counterintuitive because at their essence, tabletop 269 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,600 role-playing rule books are books of rules the intent is 270 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,480 literally designed into. It it's designed into it, yeah. 271 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,520 I mean, I feel like that's manipulation, you know, if 272 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,560 you're trying to incentivize the action that people will do 273 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,200 things within a system, like, you know, it's bad. 274 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,680 Yeah, maybe we should do a YouTube video about it, but but 275 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,880 so, so I wish more books kind of annotated their stuff this way 276 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,400 because like a lot of people, you know, especially with 277 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,040 something like 5 E right, half the time for 5 E rules 278 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,640 clarifications, you had to go read Jeremy Crawford's fucking 279 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,960 Twitter because people cared minutely very much if you could 280 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,400 like shield, shield bash before or after you didn't attack, like 281 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,160 who gives a fuck? But like people did, right? 282 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,560 So they had to then basically explain every possible thing. 283 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,080 So my point with death of the author is a rule book is in and 284 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,800 of itself intent written down. So actually getting a whole 285 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,920 section of a book where it's the thought process behind that and 286 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,480 explaining why they made the choices they did is really 287 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,160 fantastic because you can stop trying to guess and just read 288 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,240 what they wrote. I do very much agree. 289 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,480 I think it's very helpful. And yeah, I mean, I think taking 290 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,760 the guesswork, I mean it personally for me, I very rarely 291 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,280 go and look up the intent of a rule of an RPG that I'm playing. 292 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,400 I will interpret it with my players at the table. 293 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,960 But I do think people enjoy that discussion and it is, like I 294 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,160 said, a very cool thing to have added into this book. 295 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and then even the, and, 296 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,280 but even though even beyond that, like the game design topic 297 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,600 section isn't even necessarily just like the intent as much as 298 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,840 like the thought process, which I think is really cool too. 299 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,280 So it's nice to be able to kind of like, you don't need to ask 300 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,440 the like, why did you do this? Because they just said, hey, 301 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,120 This is why I did this. And I really dig that. 302 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,240 So we'll, we'll, we'll hit those as we go through. 303 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,800 But they're pretty neat. There's like seven of them 304 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,600 because again, the books are like, you know, 25 pages, a 305 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,960 great, great art piece here. I don't know, let's see if this 306 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,480 is actually going to give us Oh my God, it is. 307 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,520 It'll give us spreads options here, which is great because 308 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,440 some of the art, yeah, some of the art is good in spreads, even 309 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,760 though the because it's the quote UN quote print version. 310 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,720 It doesn't. Line up. 311 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,480 Perfectly line up, yeah, that's fine because guess what? 312 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,599 There's the spreads version, but this is a great piece of art 313 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,400 with that. Like what is this and the 314 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,599 forward next to it? But it also has the like credits 315 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:25,760 page. The art is by Bruno Perseco. 316 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:33,200 The layout is by MAIGUAXI want to say like go God I'm I'm 317 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,640 fucking it up and I'm I I apologize because I love their 318 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,920 layout work. Yeah, the layout's great, so. 319 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,480 Yeah, so however you say it, I do apologize. 320 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,760 I've always said go. I've always said it like but in 321 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:50,120 a very much like a fringe GAUGHK or whatever I threw that K there 322 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:58,000 editing by Wayne Kenipa CA Berlitz, and I want to say is 323 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:03,240 that MALK or MAIK and then rules by Lucas Roland. 324 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,360 So after I fucked up all your names and I genuinely apologize, 325 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:08,960 That's that's who's in here. I don't have a question for you. 326 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,280 Do you think I should grow up my hair like this guy in the 327 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,480 picture right here in the name? Absolutely one. 100 yeah, 328 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,880 nothing on top. And then just like, I mean, I 329 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,160 think you would look and with the beard I think you'd look 330 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,640 Stovic as fuck. You know, I think you could. 331 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,840 I think you should and then we immediately jump into it. 332 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,480 So I will say that the game is not divided in any way, shape or 333 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,680 form really in like this is the rule section. 334 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,440 This is the character section. Just gives you section by 335 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,840 section by section, which honestly is fine. 336 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,120 Yeah. I think they did a good job of 337 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,480 delineating things and doing stuff. 338 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,440 So the first thing. Is just like a Zine, it's very 339 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,040 easy to go through. It's not like an over packed 340 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,720 like product. I don't really need as much as I 341 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,280 would in other places, you know? Yeah, yeah. 342 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:57,200 I mean, this is the thing that I like about Zenes is that, oh, 343 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,720 sorry, John David called it the scullet. 344 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,520 You should definitely rock a scullet. 345 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,280 Yeah. Yeah, I used to have more. 346 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,400 When I had hair, so you know. You should do it. 347 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,480 You should do it again. The thing that I do like about 348 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,440 Zenes versus Chronicle, like books, what we call it basically 349 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,680 zenes are like 30 to 40 pages or less, whether they're hardback 350 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,840 or not for us. And books, quote UN quote, are 351 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,520 like 30 to 40 pages or more, whether they're hardback or not. 352 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,920 It just kind of depends because we rewrite them a little bit 353 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,760 differently. But I like that sometimes when 354 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,160 the scenes are short enough that they can sacrifice a little bit 355 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,640 of like what we would call usability for like vibes and 356 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,200 that's why we score the vibes instead. 357 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,440 I think it helps in this. I really do like the way that 358 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,720 they did like that the the headers though, where it's like 359 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,120 a, a line of colour and then the words are the same colour as a 360 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:46,480 background. So like it's punched out. 361 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,120 I think it looks really neat. It's great. 362 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,800 But we immediately go into game terms and creating a player 363 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,200 character. So there's a 10 step list of 364 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,360 game terms and creating a player character and we'll we'll go 365 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:03,600 through this. So 10 steps. 366 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,880 Do you do you want to, do you want to? 367 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,800 Yeah. Yeah, so step in Rule and give 368 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,560 your character a RAD name. Yeah, I would be rad. 369 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,480 I was saying. I was saying get a dice roller 370 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,440 out and make a fucking character. 371 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,360 But yeah, you could also read it. 372 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:19,120 Oh. Oh yeah, you do that then, and 373 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:25,160 I'll grab the dice roller, OK? And my notebook's in front of me 374 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,280 already, so I'm ready. So give your character a rad 375 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,480 name or don't. Brute, brute master. 376 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,600 Brute master. No Brute, brute master. 377 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:40,680 Brute, brute, master. OK, sick. 378 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,680 Now is brute and brute spelled the same or is 1 like a BREWT? 379 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,760 The first one is brute as you would expect it to be, and the 380 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,680 second one is BROOT master. Oh brute OOT not the EWT. 381 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,880 Gotcha. So your brute brute master and 382 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,560 then alignment. Choose your alignment, blah, 383 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,240 blah, blah. I love this. 384 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,120 Choose your alignment, blah, blah blah, I'm lawful, I'm 385 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,280 neutral or I'm chaotic. I the blah blah blah. 386 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,040 This I'm media was just like, yeah, I love this. 387 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:08,800 This is a writer. This is a designer writing a 388 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,760 design book, writing a book, not worried about exactly like what 389 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,360 we were talking before, like an intro or whatever. 390 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,520 Like I love when when people are just like, you know what the 391 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:18,880 fuck to do, You know what I mean? 392 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:20,480 Like that's kind of real. You should. 393 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,520 Understand that. And I went with Chaotic just 394 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,240 because of the name, you know? Of course, yeah. 395 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,880 Brute brute Masters got to be chaotic. 396 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,640 OK, so skills are the reference values to be generated by 397 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,720 players. Basically, there's five skills 398 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:39,480 and you use two D 3 -, 3 to roll each, and the skills are. 399 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,640 There's a little plus sign in front of each, but it's attack, 400 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,200 armor, magic, life, and morale. So while you roll up two D 3 -, 401 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:55,240 3 five times, basically the modifiers are it's like a 1 is a 402 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,400 plus one. That's it. 403 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,600 And there's no, you're not. So you're basically you're just 404 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,440 rolling for modifiers. You're not rolling for scores 405 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,920 and then deriving modifiers, which thank fucking God, that's 406 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,520 the dumbest shit ever, right? I That's why we roll under. 407 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,720 Derive stats. It's so funny every time we get 408 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,440 to derive stats you're like fuck, derive stats man. 409 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,280 I don't mind drive stats that make sense, but it's like why 410 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,640 roll for a number that is literally only used to give you 411 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,800 another number? You know what I mean? 412 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,160 That's very fair. I can't. 413 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,560 It's fucking pointless. Then we get to go to GDN number 414 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,640 20. We missed GDN one that was 415 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,160 actually at the beginning. So we'll go over GDN 1 and GDN 416 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,000 2. So I'm going to Scroll down and 417 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,120 we'll look at GDN 1 and GDN 2, which are the game design notes. 418 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,640 So the first game design note we're going to talk about, it 419 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,280 says no ability scores, no ability check, no ability or 420 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,320 skill checks, just modifiers and modifier meanings. 421 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,560 And it says ability scores if you don't have ability checks 422 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,720 are meaningless. Very true. 423 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,080 The original idea, the first editions according to my 424 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,440 interpretation and I love this. I personally think that one of 425 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,440 the worst parts of the TCRBG space are the people that try to 426 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,480 write authoritatively. And I don't know if it's like 427 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,400 very much in like the headline of newspaper way to be like 428 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,360 doing this, whatever. But like I hate when people are 429 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,880 go like, this is how the thing should be. 430 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,640 You should not have this, don't do that. 431 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,160 And it's like, I, I hate it. I because you sound like a 432 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:28,640 douchebag and you make and it's very, I think a lot of the times 433 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,760 it's extremely unwelcoming to people trying to get into the 434 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,200 space where they're basically being told from all angles that 435 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,080 what they're doing is wrong in 10 different ways constantly 436 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,480 versus just hedging your shit a little bit using qualifiers, 437 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,440 right? Which is like, in my opinion, 438 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,800 according to my thoughts, based on how I feel, things like that, 439 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,040 I think would be a much more welcoming space. 440 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,360 And because all of that shit is your fucking opinion. 441 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,440 Right are you saying are you saying the old school scene has 442 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,600 an overly authoritative this is right and this is wrong in my 443 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:07,080 game mentality? Yeah, it's hard to really in 444 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,360 point or notice, but when you really once you see it the first 445 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:15,000 time, you can pick it out more readily, you know what I mean? 446 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,400 So I. Game design Twitter. 447 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,760 Okay, right. Way better than used to be. 448 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,840 But I will say that I really love the way that Lucas writes 449 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,720 this because that is specifically how he writes it. 450 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,000 He writes with a lot of qualifiers and saying that 451 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,360 these, this is all my opinions. These are my thoughts. 452 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,360 This is how I feel about things. And I enjoy that. 453 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:41,640 It's not like the original first editions were wrong because of 454 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,840 this. And and you shouldn't do that. 455 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,440 It's just like that's they that. Yeah. 456 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,680 So I like that they they specifically say like according 457 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,760 to my interpretation through all the things I said before was not 458 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,240 to have any skill or ability checks. 459 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,360 This means the things should be resolved using the fiction blah 460 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:58,720 blah. I'm not going to read these all 461 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,320 throughout, but that's basically what the first one said. 462 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,720 They said they decided that many BX would not have meaningless 463 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,720 ability scores, only modifiers and what those modifiers mean 464 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,680 and the meaning is in the name A+ attack means it's to attack 465 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,640 armor is armor like that's it. You don't need a dexterity stat 466 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,800 to get a modifier that lets you do like attacks, whatever like 467 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,040 it just is what it is. It says what it is and gives you 468 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,640 the number that you need and that's all it is and I love 469 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,080 that. I think that's I'd love that. 470 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,840 I think that's great. The GDN 2 that we just got to in 471 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,120 skills talks about the role modifiers, which are those 472 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,240 interesting little math. It says the modifiers are rolled 473 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,720 with an insanely intuitive unintuitive two D 3 -, 3 roll. 474 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,560 But why? The main reason is due to the 475 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,360 probabilities below and what there's a graphic here, and it 476 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:46,440 says -1 gives you an 11.11% chance. 477 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:55,440 You have a 2222.22% chance for a 0, a 33.33% chance for A1, a 478 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,800 22.22% chance for A2 and an 11.11% chance for a three. 479 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,960 So it's a very it's, it's, it's obviously like an I saw curve 480 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,360 there. It's like it really, it really 481 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,360 wrangles in your bonuses to be like they're not massive. 482 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,520 And as I said many times, I love when characters are very squishy 483 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,120 in the beginning, but also like has characters, you know, like 484 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:20,920 you don't need to start with the plus fives or something. 485 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,280 That's insanity. No, absolutely. 486 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,560 I mean, and, and it's crazy, yeah. 487 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,760 Because you get to a point, especially at low levels that if 488 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,440 you're too high-powered, you literally just like, well, 489 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280 nothing can touch me. Yeah, like and everyone, you 490 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,640 know, does this. As you can see, it's simpler 491 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,160 than BX. First of all, I believe that 492 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,000 rolling in BX, that rolling in BX should be more player 493 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,080 friendly and there are no changes to ability scores after 494 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,440 rolling in mini BX, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 495 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,280 I think it's neat. I think it's really clever. 496 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,680 I do like that and I think the math is interesting. 497 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,280 It's kind of the same way that like Merkboard does their scores 498 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,600 and stuff too. So in a similar kind of idea 499 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:04,760 that you can get a low kind of negative to start to like a low 500 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,120 kind of positive to start, and that's about it. 501 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,160 But that was talking about #3 skills #4 is archetype. 502 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,920 So archetypes replace classes and there are six of them. 503 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,880 There's three human archetypes and three non human. 504 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,920 You got cleric, warrior, and wizard are you humans? 505 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,640 And then you got dwarf, elf, and hafling are you're non humans. 506 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,480 You don't have to pick one now if you don't want to because 507 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,600 we're going to go over our types later. 508 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,200 Brute Brute Master is definitely a dwarf, you know. 509 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,240 OK, all right. We're going to go non human. 510 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,600 We'll go dwarf with that. And then next we get to the Hit 511 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,360 Dice chain, which is an interesting. 512 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,280 It's basically like the core of the game. 513 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,440 So we'll go over this, but the Hit Dice chain, it talks about 514 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,840 it in game design. Note 3 is basically an 515 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,680 adaptation of the Black Axe usage die and I think that's 516 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,520 really interesting. We turned around with using hit 517 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,400 dice as HP before I would use it a little different way, but this 518 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,480 is a cool way to do it. And it basically is like your 519 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,640 whole character in this hit dice and it's also your like attacks 520 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,240 and defense and spells and everything. 521 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,440 So basically says this is the core mechanic. 522 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,760 It mean to be extra placing. Most of the rules from BX hit 523 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,880 points and attacks work with a hit dice chain called an HD 524 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,280 chain, except that they use multiple different words 525 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,160 throughout the entire thing. Sometimes it's called a hit dice 526 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,280 chain, sometimes it's just called a dice chain, sometimes 527 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,720 it's called HD chain. There's like 4 different words 528 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,040 where a little bit of uniformity would be would be a little bit 529 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,440 nice. I just in my notes I just called 530 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,920 it an HDC and I thought that was that worked. 531 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,280 Funny because I saw it referred to as I think, a dice chain at 532 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,480 one point. I was like, Ryan's gonna say 533 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,000 something. There's a note when we get to 534 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,680 the archetype section. I think I literally like 535 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,280 highlighted and and said what I just said till I'll say it again 536 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,480 later. So, so basically the way it 537 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,920 works is each archetype will have a specific hit dice, which 538 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,040 if you've ever played any D&D games, you understand that. 539 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,240 So it'll be different. Like Wizards are like AD four 540 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,800 and warriors are AD 8. And then whatever the hit dice 541 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,720 is, you get dice equal to the lower or the ones below that, 542 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,680 right? So if you have, the example is 543 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:06,040 if you have a warrior that is AD 8, you'll have AD 8, AD 6 and AD 544 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,920 4. But if you have a wizard, you're 545 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,040 just going to have AD 4. So you don't get that lower dice 546 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,960 change, right? But if you're like a fourth 547 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,960 level warrior, you just keep getting more hit dice of your 548 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,680 class at dice, which is your highest 1. 549 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,920 So you'll get like 4D8 plus 1D6 plus 1D four. 550 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,560 And if you're a level 4 wizard, you're just going to have 4D 551 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,960 four. That's it. 552 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,560 So it's neat, it's really interesting. 553 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,400 I like it. And as we get into the way 554 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,760 combat and stuff works with it, I think it's clean. 555 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,280 I think it's clean the whole way through. 556 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,720 Yeah, I did enjoy reading through combat in this one. 557 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,520 Yeah, there's one thing I, I'm not a big, I'm sure I, I want to 558 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,680 discuss about that. But I think I think this is 559 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,080 really smart. I think this is really, really 560 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,920 clever. The fact that it's basically 561 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,880 like your whole you is really neat. 562 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,000 So game design Note 3, we're going to shoot down to there 563 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,440 real quick and go over this HD chains and combat rules. 564 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,720 I'll get into the other stuff later, but it says in terms of 565 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:13,760 TJPG combat, we're not going to go over this right now. 566 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,200 We'll wait for combat, OK? I'll be here so. 567 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,200 Yeah, so that's number five, hit dash train. 568 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,040 Number six is saves. Your archetype determines your 569 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,880 saves. We'll go over saves, but saves 570 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,600 are basically you get a number of them. 571 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320 Your equipment, it says choose four pieces of equipment as 572 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,840 desired, for example, armor, weapon, backpack, and rope. 573 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,840 PCs can't begin with plate mail as armor, a characterization. 574 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,560 So you get 4 things, but no equipment is ever discussed 575 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,080 outside of armor and weapons. So you can just have have it and 576 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,640 I assume it's just a narrative usage thing and that's it. 577 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,600 I would also assume that as well. 578 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,200 Yeah #8 is armor. You just write it down, plus 579 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,480 your bonuses, which can be apparently everything but plate 580 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,560 armor. And then #9 is your carrying 581 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,800 capacity. So there's no real discussion of 582 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,480 equipment or how any of it works, but there is a carrying 583 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,640 capacity even though there's no. I mean obviously this isn't a 584 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,600 game where you can just have make your shit up and it 585 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,880 specifically says make your shit up. 586 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,920 But it never says like what is one item is worth 1 is 2 items 587 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,640 worth? Like there's no discussion of 588 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,480 that. But like again, this is a game 589 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,840 for people that have done this shit before. 590 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,840 So I know that A2 handed weapon is probably. 591 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,840 Probably 2 slots, yeah. Yeah, and this is the first time 592 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,080 you'll see how the dice chain, you derive basically everything 593 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,400 from the dice chain, right? So PCs can carry a number of 594 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,920 items equal to their life modifier plus life plus the 595 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,840 total number of dice in their hit chain total in their hit 596 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,640 chain. And the example is a level 2 597 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,000 warrior would have 2D eights, AD 6 and AD 4. 598 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,200 So that's total A4 dice. And if they have a life of 599 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,600 modifier of two, that gives him 6 items that they can carry. 600 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:03,520 So clever it's a way that to derive everything that you to to 601 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,840 everything you need from the dice chain, which again is the 602 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,680 core of the entire game. And it says you can always carry 603 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,400 a minimum of two no matter what any of your modifiers and shit 604 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,440 are, which is nice. You can always at least carry 605 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,640 like some armor and a weapon basically. 606 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,360 And then you have magic circles is number 10. 607 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,680 Archetypes give you magic circles and that's the whole 608 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,000 thing. That's that's character, 609 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,240 Christian name, alignment skills, archetype, hit dice 610 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,520 chain saves, equipment, armor, carrying capacity and magic 611 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,240 circles. So next section is skills. 612 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,680 There are five of them, like I said before. 613 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,960 There's attack, which is your skills with combat, and it's 614 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,000 added to weapon dice when attacking. 615 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,640 There's armor, which is defensive ability, and it's 616 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,800 added to your first defense role along with life. 617 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,720 Remind me to to come back to that against any attack, armor 618 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,640 and Shields can increase this value further. 619 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,640 Added to the first defense role along with life magic scale with 620 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,880 magic, add it to spell dice rolls and adds the number of 621 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,480 fells known and or casted per circle. 622 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,480 Your life modifiers, your toughness and vitality. 623 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,080 It's added to all defense rolls against attacks and determines a 624 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,160 PCs carrying capacity which you've talked about already. 625 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,640 And then the morale is your charisma and luck. 626 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600 Added to morale checks and determines how many mercenaries 627 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,160 APC can hire I. Hire one. 628 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,600 You can hire one, but let's let's talk about morale later. 629 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,960 Remind me to talk about morale later. 630 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,840 Because if it's if morale is charisma and luck, why isn't it 631 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,640 just called charisma or luck and not morale? 632 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,560 You know. Initiative, it says just like 633 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,080 MBX, the GM and players roll A1D6 each round. 634 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,640 Whoever rolls the highest acts first as a group. 635 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,120 And if there's a tie, everyone acts the same time at the G Ms. 636 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,320 discretion. I would love to know how 637 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,000 everyone acts. I mean, everyone, quote UN quote 638 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,600 acts at the same time narratively, but like that, 639 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:08,560 that's not a, that's not a, that's not a rule. 640 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,440 That's not that doesn't help anybody, you know what I mean? 641 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,520 I have a hard time with everyone acts at the same time because 642 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,320 that. Doesn't work. 643 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,080 Yeah. Yeah, like narratively you can 644 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,440 say that, oh, you did all of this in time or whatever, but I 645 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,639 still need an order in which people actually, yeah, events. 646 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,040 Events inherently are sequential. 647 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,520 That's how time works. I mean by our perception of it, 648 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,440 but right. Even if you have to, even if all 649 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,199 of the events once said happened at the same time, they still 650 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,679 have to be said in an order. Yes, I yeah, yes. 651 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,400 I've read something else. Previously that also had another 652 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,679 like, oh the turns all happen at once. 653 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,600 I'm just like, what the fuck does that mean man? 654 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:56,159 They apparently cannot. Movement, distance and actions. 655 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,320 So I talked about two things. The first says theater of the 656 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,840 Mind, which? Very self out of that. 657 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:03,240 Yeah, we're not going to explain that. 658 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,520 If you're listening to this podcasting, the ability to the 659 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,280 mind is I'm shocked you're. This deep end, you're still 660 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:09,880 listening to us. Oh. 661 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,120 God, yeah, yeah, I'm shocked that IN was listening at all. 662 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,560 But obviously this is a preference. 663 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,160 Like, you can use a fucking map if you want, right? 664 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,240 And then the next part is combat distances, basically the short, 665 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,120 medium and far. Which God, if you've read TT 666 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,400 every cheese, you understand what that means. 667 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,880 And in a turn you can basically move one distance and take an 668 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,680 action or move two distances. There you go. 669 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,480 Done. So perfect. 670 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,280 And and most range attacks can target up to medium, which 671 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,120 reasonable. Yeah. 672 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,880 So basically you're not long bowing shit from 500 yards away. 673 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,920 So we're going to get into attack and damage in combat, 674 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,760 which is where I think our first like big discussion is going to 675 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,760 happen and we're going to jump back to GD and three. 676 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:02,160 So basically, and they, they say this a lot of the time 677 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,360 throughout the book to the point where you don't need to say it. 678 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,120 So if we go back to movement distance and actions, it says 679 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,920 these rules replaced the standard B and BX action 680 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,480 economy. And then attack and damage, it 681 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,120 says these rules replaced the normal BX action and damage 682 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,760 sequence. You don't need to say that they. 683 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,760 Do we're actually reading mini BX right now so and it's this 684 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,200 games attack and damage sequence so. 685 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,520 Like the whole point I think of this game is that it replaces 686 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,040 those things. So to say it every time you get 687 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,440 to a new section becomes redundant really quickly. 688 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,040 I mean, it's fine. It's like it's like 8 words, but 689 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,440 like it just becomes redundant really quickly. 690 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,160 So in this section we're going to talk about attack roles, 691 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,440 defense roles, missing residual damage ties, death saves, and 692 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,800 recovering hit ice chain. So attack roll super easy peasy. 693 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,160 You roll weapons, attack die. So all weapons, say your weapons 694 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,240 like AD 6, you roll your D6 plus your attack modifier and you 695 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,920 have to be within the range, obviously of of what the you 696 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,240 can't just swing at long range for short range weapon like 697 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,480 obviously, but that's, that's it. 698 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,200 That's an attack roll. Perfect. 699 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,880 And then it's all opposed rolls. So then the defense roll, the 700 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,360 the the defense roll is you roll your highest dice in your hit 701 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,040 dice chain plus your armor modifier. 702 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,080 So here's the issue that I have. Right. 703 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,400 Yeah, I think we're no, we're about to say it, but go ahead 704 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,200 and say. It this is not my biggest issue 705 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,760 with this small one. It says in the wording of the 706 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,720 actual book. It says the target of the attack 707 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,160 then rules the highest die. They currently have their hit 708 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,680 dice chain, which would generally be like your 709 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,200 characters hit dice and adds their armor modifier if any to 710 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,240 the total. They do not add life on their 711 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,560 first roll of an attack made against them, only against 712 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,000 residual damage. But when I scroll back up to 713 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,840 skills here. Yes, OK. 714 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:55,920 It says armor defensive ability added to the first defense role 715 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,080 along with life against an attack. 716 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,680 That's clearly a contradiction. Right off the bat. 717 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,880 This says that you on the first attack, you specifically add 718 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,360 your defense and life. And then in the defense role 719 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,840 section it specifically says you add your armor modifier and do 720 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,360 not add life on the first attack role. 721 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,080 That there's that's not compatible. 722 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,400 That's funny because I was reading this, this page at least 723 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,640 I read fairly late after the gym one night. 724 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,120 And so I was kind of like pretty, pretty ready to pass 725 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,160 out. And I went back and forth like 726 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,000 three times because I'm like, am I an idiot? 727 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,280 But no. No. 728 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,560 Well, maybe not. Still not Not about this. 729 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,920 Yeah. And then when we get to residual 730 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,080 damage in a second, it specifically again calls out the 731 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,920 fact that you don't add life to the first one. 732 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,200 So I think there's just like a a little bit of a mis wording in 733 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,200 the armor stat added to the first defense role along with 734 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,760 life. They can just chop. 735 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,600 They literally can just delete that whole thing in the 736 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,640 paragraph and it'd be totally fine. 737 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,120 So that's how defense role works. 738 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,760 So basically an attack role you add, you roll. 739 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,400 Like if you're attacking me, you would add your weapon damage and 740 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,600 your attack mod, boom. And then I would roll my highest 741 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,120 die and on my armor mod. And that is how an attack works, 742 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,840 right? It's a miss if the defense roll 743 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,080 exceeds the attack roll, boom, easy peasy, right? 744 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,640 But on hitting damage, if the attack roll total is equal to or 745 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,560 higher than the defense roll, the attack hits and the defender 746 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,280 loses the highest die from their dice chain, their HD chain. 747 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,400 Easy fucking peasy, right? Love that super clean. 748 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,360 Yep, perfect. Yeah, right. 749 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,680 Let's muddy it up a little bit. So residual damage, residual 750 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,440 damage is where I have my first kind of like I'll say it like an 751 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,840 issue, right? So basically the way residual 752 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,840 damage works is if the attack role is higher right and the 753 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,080 defender rolls another defense role against the difference. 754 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,720 Of the two rolls using their new highest hit dice. 755 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,320 Right. Plus their life modifier, but 756 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:16,120 not their armor modifier, right. So for example, say that you 757 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,840 rolled AD six with an armor modifier of two and say you get 758 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,800 like a four or plus or two. That's a six, Yeah. 759 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,240 And then I'm a, I'm a little wizard boy, right? 760 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:31,680 And I roll AD 4 and I get a three and that's my highest 761 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,040 dice. And let's say I have like a one 762 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,520 in my armor because I'm just adding that. 763 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,000 So I have a four and you have a six. 764 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,760 So you you hit me or I hit you right now you hit me and then 765 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,720 and then the difference is 2. So then I have to then roll 766 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:53,880 another time, and then instead of adding my armor this time I 767 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,400 roll my new hit dice, which would still be AD 4 because I'm 768 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,280 a little wizard boy, And then I don't add my armor modifier this 769 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,520 time, I add my life modifier and I have to beat A2. 770 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:11,320 If I once again failed to beat A2, I lose another hit dice and 771 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:17,760 have to keep rolling against the difference every time until you 772 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,880 either die or beat the difference. 773 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,760 So my biggest, so my biggest issue with that is let's roll 774 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,920 down to GD and three and look at the discussion. 775 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,920 Yeah, it's like, because I think this is this, this rule is very 776 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:39,000 counter to one of the points, one of the one of the points. 777 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,000 So it says in terms of teacher pitch combats. 778 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,880 I hate two things. This is what Lucas is saying. 779 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,560 Lucas Realm. Well the first one is tracking 780 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,480 HP and the second one is long combats, parentheses, tons of 781 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,400 rolls. So tracking HP? 782 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,280 Totally fucking get it. Every time you get hit, boom you 783 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,560 lose a hit dice. Love it. 784 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,680 Makes sense, yeah. Love it and they have a whole 785 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,000 section here on I don't like tracking HP Boom, there you go, 786 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,440 I get it. I'm right there with you buddy. 787 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,320 The next paragraph starts as my main inspiration was the usage 788 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,480 dice from the Black hack, which is the best part of the black 789 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,760 hack by converting hit dice into the dice chain. 790 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,280 Hit dice chain. I hit dice chain the way PCs 791 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,000 lose any die blah blah blah blah blah right? 792 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,400 OK, so this is how I solve the two issues. 793 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,680 Number one, it says you only roll once in each attack, not 2 794 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000 rolls on a successful hit as normal in BX. 795 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,360 More agile and simpler combat once players are familiar with 796 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,040 the rule. And then I'm not, I don't care 797 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,200 about #2 HP values, none of that stuff matters. 798 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,360 So but the but number one to me feels counterintuitive, right? 799 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,040 So basically you're saying if you're attacking, you only roll 800 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,640 once and then you're done, right? 801 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,000 And that's fewer defending. You can roll a bunch of times a. 802 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,160 Bunch of. Times you're robbing Peter to 803 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,880 pay Paul here like you're you're making fewer attack rolls to 804 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,400 potentially add fewer defense rolls. 805 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,000 Not all the time because it has to be if if you successfully 806 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,200 hit, the defender has to roll at least one more thing again, But 807 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,320 not only do they have to roll the roll again, they have roll a 808 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,280 whole different roll. They have to be. 809 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,360 And now I feel like that slows it down even more because you're 810 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,600 going from saying like, OK, I'm rolling my defense roll plus 811 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,320 armor shit, so I you hit me. What's the difference? 812 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,840 OK, the difference is too. All right, so I'm going to roll 813 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,760 again. No, wait, it's not defense and 814 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,280 armor this time. It's defense and life. 815 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,680 OK, I'm going to roll my defense and life and then do it. 816 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,200 Shit, I I missed again. What's the difference this time? 817 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,880 Oh, the difference is what? OK, now I need to do that again. 818 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,720 Like that to me. Yeah, it's it's a layer of 819 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:38,560 complexity added supposed to not have several layers of 820 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,080 complexity. Right. 821 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,600 And like I it just to me, like you just hit the nail on the 822 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,640 head. It's just like I thought it was 823 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,640 like perfectly slimmed down. I was like, yeah, perfect, 824 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,320 great, makes sense. And then the whole residual 825 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,400 damage thing popped up and I was like, that doesn't. 826 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,720 And that feels counterintuitive to the entire. 827 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,960 What I feel like is ethos to this book, which is to simplify 828 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,760 it down. I'll make it quick. 829 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,880 I would agree with you there. Because if you, if you, if 830 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,120 you're fighting against a bad, bad guy, right, and someone 831 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,880 rolls super high damage and someone put a super low defense, 832 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,600 if you roll low defense a couple of times, you could have to do 833 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,880 this thing like two or three times. 834 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,680 Yeah, potentially. I wonder, I'm playing through 835 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,480 scenarios in my head on this and I think it kind of because 836 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:29,840 they're like HP, your hit dice chain is like a fairly low like 837 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,080 health pool that you're pulling from. 838 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,080 Like you burn through those nice quickly, especially at low 839 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,080 levels. I wonder if this rule is 840 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,680 specifically to help mitigate how unbelievably dangerous 841 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,680 combat can be at like very low levels. 842 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,480 Because if I just, if I just said like you, the person who 843 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,440 hits, if they, you know, if they win the attack sequence, right, 844 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,920 that the loser, the defender loses a hit die and they only 845 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,840 have two or three hit die. But no, but you're saying 846 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,720 mitigate it makes it worse because if you fail, you lose a 847 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,160 hit dice, and if you fail again, you lose another hit Dice. 848 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,880 And if you fail again, you lose another hit dice. 849 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,280 Yeah, you're right. I love the brutality of that. 850 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,240 I just think the whole concept of it is is is counterintuitive 851 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:15,800 to the ethos. It's also like the biggest 852 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,760 paragraph rule to explain this thing in here. 853 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,920 So. So I wrote up a quick heck for 854 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,720 this already. Do you really? 855 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,960 Yeah, so it says for a real, I said for a real simplification, 856 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,680 you could just get rid of residual damage. 857 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,800 Like if you get hit, you lose a hit dice done. 858 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,160 So right, It's very kind of tunnel goonsie, right? 859 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,720 Like it reduces the damage you can take the next time and boom, 860 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,360 super quick. Like both people rolled like 861 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,640 once and then it's done. But if you still want to use hit 862 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,600 dice, my potential hack I wrote was if the attacker rolls 863 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,640 maximum damage and the defender rolls minimum defense, just lose 864 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,600 2 instead and move on. Because theoretically at low 865 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,160 level right? Like at level 1, let's say even 866 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,520 level 2 wizard if. You if they roll. 867 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,680 If they rolled defense bad twice they did, they're dead. 868 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,640 Which I'm again, I'm totally fine with the brutality. 869 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:13,440 But in that same vein, if they roll lowest on the 1st roll, 870 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,400 they roll like a one on that D4 and you're hitting and you roll 871 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,080 like a six on your weapon, they're dead because you lose. 872 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,200 Dead. I'm fine with that. 873 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:22,920 I think that's a very fine and clean. 874 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,800 Yeah, I just think there's a simplification of this 875 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,000 simplification. Wizard dying in one hit is the 876 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,080 most true the form I. Love it love it. 877 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,600 I I just. I love the dice chain. 878 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,320 I love how attack works. I love how defense works. 879 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,600 I love how miss works because basically how miss also worked 880 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,240 is like if you if you if you roll, if you attack and roll 881 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:49,200 higher, they lose a dice chain, they lose a hit dice. 882 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,600 If you attack and roll lower, they don't lose a hit dice. 883 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,720 If you hit even they lose a hit dice, but you don't go with the 884 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,960 residual. Damage, yeah. 885 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,120 Right. Yeah, but I just think residual 886 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,840 damage feels like the clunkiest thing in this entire rule set 887 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,840 when the rest of it is literally designed to be super, super 888 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,680 simple. And again, I really like the way 889 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,600 attack an offense works. I just think residual Damon, 890 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,400 it's just it feels like this giant thing tacked on to the 891 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,800 end. So anyway, so then ties when an 892 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,560 attacker defender tie, the defender still loses. 893 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,560 Hit ties. They said that death. 894 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,680 If you lose your last D4, you're fucking dead. 895 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:31,800 There's no saving throws. Love it saves AI have notes for 896 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,880 this and I'm just reading stuff out. 897 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:37,760 Basically Defender is available to use a save for a bunch of 898 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,480 different things. We'll get to saves later, but 899 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,720 one of the things that you can do is if you're going to spend 900 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,600 your last D4, like if it, if it's gone, if it's spent, you 901 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,200 can use a save, which is like a point and just not die. 902 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,160 You can just keep your D4. It's one of the it's one of the 903 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,480 things you can do with a save, which is specifically stave off 904 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,880 death. So that helps you a little bit. 905 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,800 It's kind of a way to like tuck in as if there. 906 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,040 I like that. I think it's great and then 907 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,440 recovering hit dice chain dice lost dice from hit dice chain 908 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,480 are not restored after combat. You have to do stuff for it. 909 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:14,640 And then there's a whole like pretty lengthy example of play 910 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,240 here, which is fantastic and I love that it's in here. 911 00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:21,400 They do this a lot and I think they're great and and Azine this 912 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,640 small to have this many examples of play is fantastic. 913 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,640 Absolutely. So moving on Hit dice recovery. 914 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,560 So how does this work? You must be in the safe place to 915 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,320 rest and the way it works, and this is brutal, you roll your 916 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:38,520 current highest hit dice versus the last lost hit dice you had, 917 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,800 and then if the lost hit dice is better, you get it back, and if 918 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,680 the current hit dice is better, the wound gets worse and you 919 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,160 lose another hit dice. And if it's your. 920 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,840 Last E4 you die, so try to heal can kill you. 921 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,600 Yeah. Crazy. 922 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,280 It's brutal. I like it. 923 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,800 I like the. Brutality of it, that is a 924 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,320 really good rule, so. I think it's really interesting 925 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,880 that it's just like, there's no way to just like chill out for a 926 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,840 little while and you get it back. 927 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,840 It's like, no, you have to roll this and. 928 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,880 No, listen, if you go sleep in the bed for 8 hours, you'll be 929 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,720 perfectly healed. Yeah. 930 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,160 So the worst part of it is like if you're rolling, say you're 931 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,680 higher level and you're like a 4D8 warrior, right? 932 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,920 And you lost one of your D eights, you're rolling ADA 933 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,000 versus D8. So it's actually at lower levels 934 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,400 you have a higher chance of getting it back, which I think 935 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,440 is a really interesting mechanic built into the game at higher 936 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,280 levels when they're kind of less, not less important, but 937 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,760 like less debt. If you're like level 8 and you 938 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,720 lose one hit dice, like that sucks, but you still have like 7 939 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,240 more, right? And if you lose one more in 940 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:42,640 healing, it's like, OK, you still have 6 more, but at level 941 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,400 1, and if you lose your D8, you're rolling AD 8 versus AD 6. 942 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,800 So mathematically you do have a better chance of getting it 943 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,640 back. I think that's super clever and 944 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,560 again reinforces the entire hit dice and which is super clever. 945 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,600 I don't think it's interesting because is there a higher levels 946 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,720 you would really go? Is it worth even trying to 947 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,400 recover this hit dice right now? Like why would I even do that? 948 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,120 Like, we'll just keep going, you know? 949 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,880 That's exactly. I mean, that's another huge part 950 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,960 of which I think is a really cool, like built in choice 951 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,760 moment of man do I really want to try. 952 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,360 Which is great at low levels. Obviously you're like fuck it, I 953 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,720 got to try to get it back. But how bad would it suck to 954 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:21,120 like you're on AD 8, you lose it, you roll D6 to heal and lose 955 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,400 it because you failed and now you're on your last D4 and the 956 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,200 only way that you can heal back is to try to heal again, which 957 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,360 could literally kill you. I. 958 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,280 Think it's great. I think it's like a narrative 959 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,240 like, you know, you have a wound, you have a bad wound, you 960 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:37,480 gained in combat. And we're not in 2025 in this 961 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,040 game, but I assume I wouldn't be playing that year. 962 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,680 So like, you know, the medical technology is not up. 963 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,120 Like, you're going to try to get better, but also wounds can get 964 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,160 worse, you know, like you're trying to, you know, go for 965 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:50,560 good. Oh, just. 966 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,720 Say you're trying to like dig out that piece of shrapnel and 967 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,080 you're like Nick and Artery, you know? 968 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,200 There there is like a little blur bullet point on treatment, 969 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,120 which is that the GM agrees the wound is treated in a plausible 970 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,240 way. The character can roll their 971 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,320 lost hit die twice and take the better result. 972 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,440 I think that's a cool way to address finding medical help, 973 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,160 but I would be like hey listen, you're going to fucking piss 974 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,280 poor town and nowhere land bro. There's not a doctor here. 975 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,400 Yeah, yeah, I mean, but yeah, like I they start kind of around 976 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,440 this point having like the narrative be like, hey, give us 977 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,720 a narrative reason and we'll we'll we'll do whatever. 978 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:29,840 Like you said, like you get to roll. 979 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,560 It's what I'd love to is it's not just like, hey, give us a 980 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,400 narrative reason for treatment and sure, you just get hit the 981 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,680 ice pack. It's like no, no, no, no. 982 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,120 You just get advantage and that's it. 983 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:38,680 That's all. And I. 984 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,160 Think that's great. You know, I think that's yeah, 985 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,560 yeah. I mean. 986 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,240 It's, it's, it's like, it's still brutal, but you're like, 987 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,320 we'll throw you a very small bone. 988 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,280 And then there's a whole another example of play here, which is 989 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,080 great. So next we get into saves and 990 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:58,040 basically PCs have a pool of saves and so they can use to 991 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,400 auto avoid one effect, one traditional effect like like 992 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,200 what would be a saving throw, like being poisoned, for 993 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,520 example. You can just be like, actually, 994 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,160 I used to save and I'm not poisoned. 995 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,120 And then the other option is what we just talked about, which 996 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,960 is saves are regained at the start of each session or more at 997 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:21,240 the GM Think that's really cool. And then the discussion topic is 998 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,560 down here in GDN 5. I read highlighted this. 999 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,320 Oh, I remember why. So it says saves and saving 1000 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,760 throws down here. This is the GDN, the game design 1001 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,080 note section. It says, in my humble opinion, 1002 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,720 IMHO, this is Lucas talking. Saving throws are a game design 1003 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,880 mistake. And the reason I love that they 1004 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,240 said in my humble opinion, instead of just saving design, 1005 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,480 like that's exactly what I mean is because I am now like, as 1006 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,000 soon as you're like saving throws are a mistake, you're a 1007 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,440 lot of people be like, no, they're fucking not. 1008 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,800 And you're not listening anymore. 1009 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,880 That's why you use qualifiers because you're like, Hey, I'm 1010 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,720 I'm saying a thing and you go, OK, interesting. 1011 00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:00,160 Let me listen to this thing, you know, so in my humble mistake, 1012 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,080 saving throws, saving throws are a game design mistake. 1013 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,360 I can't blame early DND designers for it as they didn't 1014 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,960 have a lot of parameters or the decades of TT RPG design 1015 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,440 experience we do now. But yes, things such as Fate, 1016 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,200 Destiny point, Fate or Destiny points work much better than 1017 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,480 saving throws. So they decided once per game 1018 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,360 session a save can save the PC from an effect normally governed 1019 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,440 by one of the traditional saves. So that's I disagree with that, 1020 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,440 but I really like their thought process behind it. 1021 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,400 I like saving throws. I do. 1022 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,080 Really like saving throws actually. 1023 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:40,880 So I hate this opinion but. No, I mean it's A and what I 1024 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,280 like is that they explain why they think that and why they 1025 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,600 decided that something like a luck point or a fake point or 1026 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,320 something like that is better for their design ethos. 1027 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,640 Which I think is again why I love these game design notes is 1028 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,360 because it's like, I totally hear what they're saying. 1029 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,040 There's like a whole nother paragraph that explains a little 1030 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,720 bit more. I just personally disagree. 1031 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,800 I honestly at the end of the day would rather have a whole game 1032 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:07,080 that is just saving throws than a game that is like like action 1033 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,120 roles with HP and shit like that. 1034 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,000 Like you could have a whole game that is literally just saving to 1035 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,120 keep your HP I mean. I definitely think that like 1036 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,800 saving throws have their place in whatever, whatever game we're 1037 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,360 talking about or like, or they don't have a place in that game. 1038 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,080 Obviously I don't think they have a place in this game. 1039 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,160 It wouldn't make sense with how everything else is designed. 1040 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,640 But yeah, I don't I like, I like saving throws. 1041 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:33,720 So I mean, I'm a big BX hack fan and I like the old school 1042 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,880 methods and you know, I love Wolves Upon the Coast, which has 1043 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,400 saves and you know, yeah, listen. 1044 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,720 I'm just not. Fun and creative guys, you know. 1045 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,440 Yeah, used to fucking bum but. OSR fucking yeah. 1046 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,600 That's all you have to say. Is OSR new? 1047 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:57,600 Yeah, I know raspberries. So my, my all an interesting 1048 00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,680 thing that comes up here, which is funny because this is written 1049 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,920 in like 2021 or 2022 is something that I I, I keep 1050 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,400 seeing pop up a little bit, which I think is very 1051 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,480 interesting. Is this whole like, I can't 1052 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,800 blame early D&D designers for it. 1053 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,000 They didn't have the parameters and blah, blah, blah, blah, 1054 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,840 blah. It's like it's a very weird take 1055 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:15,920 to have. And I've seen some people have 1056 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:23,120 this take where they're, it's very much like of the time, 1057 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,720 what, what's the word I'm thinking of where it's like, I 1058 00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:26,840 think this is the best because it's the thing that I'm seeing 1059 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,600 right now. You know what I mean? 1060 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,160 Like I'm I'm trying to think of what worries. 1061 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,440 Me biased or whatever. There's a massive recency bias 1062 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,040 because I can tell you right now if this rule didn't exist and 1063 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,800 someone came out with it now, they would think it's the most 1064 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,280 ingenious thing fucking ever, right? 1065 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,160 Like, I think there's this insane recency bias. 1066 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,920 And I've seen a number of people, another blogs, another 1067 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,880 blogs say things like that where they're like, man, they didn't 1068 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,120 know what we know now. And it's just like, it's just 1069 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,680 dice in a fucking game. Like any idea is an idea, right? 1070 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,120 Like you're just saying that your idea is the the great, 1071 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,600 great, great, great grandson of another idea, right? 1072 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,520 Versus like this idea, which was like back in the time, it's just 1073 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,560 an idea that you could get the same idea tomorrow. 1074 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,640 And I guarantee people that have never read OD and D will come up 1075 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,640 with an idea that thing you think is like the newest thing 1076 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,400 ever and then realize eventually, oh shit, that was 1077 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,480 done 40 years ago, 50 years ago, you know what I mean? 1078 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,800 So like an idea is just an idea to a point. 1079 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,840 You know what I mean? But I I just not saying that 1080 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,160 this is wrong, that it's just a weird thing that I've seen pop 1081 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,680 up a bunch of times where people somehow think that like we're so 1082 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:28,960 much better now than we were before. 1083 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,000 It's just a fucking. Idea We all know that humanity's 1084 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,160 actions, forward movement and growth at all times, things were 1085 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,080 only getting better and more advanced. 1086 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:39,920 Right we never repeat past mistakes because we. 1087 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,280 Always learn. We've never done that. 1088 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,480 Right, you know, so anyway, I just thought that was a really 1089 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,480 interesting thing. But again, I really enjoy the 1090 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,160 take, even if I personally disagree with it. 1091 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,760 And again, that's I love the games. 1092 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,040 I know it's specifically so I can hear the take. 1093 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,760 I love takes when they're written with qualifiers and 1094 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,520 stuff. Anyway, so moving on. 1095 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,200 Next is morale checks. This is where I have another 1096 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,760 little bit of a qualms that says basically a morale check is in a 1097 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,160 pose role against the game Master using your morale 1098 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,960 modifier for narrative control. So if you beat the game master 1099 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,920 and imposed role, you get narrative control and can talk 1100 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,960 about like the how the situation is good for you and the game 1101 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,280 master gets narrative control. They can talk about the the 1102 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,080 situation. But when you looked at the 1103 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,480 morale modifier up at the top, it said specifically morale is 1104 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,800 charisma and luck. If the morale is charisma and 1105 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,600 luck, just call it charisma and luck then, because I think one 1106 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,400 of the remember when they said in the skills that the skill is 1107 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,200 just what it is. So armor is for armor. 1108 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,200 So if morale should be for morale, but if morale is for 1109 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,280 Chrismar luck, just call it Chrismar luck, right? 1110 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,080 And this has nothing to do with with morale at all because 1111 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,880 morale in BX in most games is literally about like I killed 1112 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,320 your boss or half of you do you run away from combat right? 1113 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,400 And in this it specifically is not that. 1114 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:06,520 And if we go down to game design, no #7 it says morale. 1115 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,440 This is a more comprehensive rule than the simple BX morale 1116 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,680 test. I am implemented it as a 1117 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,280 narrative advantage tool, much like story games where players 1118 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,840 take the narrative for themselves. 1119 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,520 So morale check and mini BX is more than just scaring off 1120 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,680 enemies. It's leaving the world, perhaps 1121 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,920 in metaphysical way, in the PC's hands and will. 1122 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,920 I love it. I think it's fucking fantastic. 1123 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,360 I think it's really great. But it's just not morale. 1124 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,800 Like just call it charisma then, you know, And that's, I mean, 1125 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:34,720 easy peasy. Boom. 1126 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,400 If it's charisma, it's charisma, you know? 1127 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,520 Next, we're getting to Riz. You know. 1128 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,280 Yeah, yeah. Where do you think Riz comes 1129 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,480 from? That's where it comes from, so. 1130 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,960 Yeah, Charisma. Yeah, it's not. 1131 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,200 I'm skipping time. I'm gonna write like a brain rot 1132 00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:00,680 TTRPG and I'm gonna only. Use like like the the not even 1133 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:06,600 like gin alpha slang like like post gin Z like I said skippity 1134 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,320 toilet fucking. Level 10 GAT. 1135 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,560 Riz or a GAT? Yeah, farming. 1136 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,360 Will be an action in the game, you know. 1137 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,360 You know what's funny Is how how slang dates people. 1138 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,640 I saw someone driving a fucking Nazi mobile the other day at 1139 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:30,760 Tesla and the license plate literally said EV swag with two 1140 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,640 GS. Oh God, I just. 1141 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,840 You hate it but also the word was swag so you know that person 1142 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,360 was easily 40 plus because swag is definitely like an elder 1143 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,760 millennial terms when there's so many things happen after swag. 1144 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,680 When it was recent, either people were like, yeah, I 1145 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,640 remember being in junior high and like seeing people like the 1146 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,320 say swag and like post swag fits and stuff. 1147 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,600 I'm like this, this is lame. This is lame. 1148 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:01,800 Yeah, it's. Super. 1149 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,840 Lame swag Swag came out the same time Yolo and shit did. 1150 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,160 No, yellow is terrible. After that. 1151 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,960 Yeah, I mean, swag was kind of swag was almost our parents. 1152 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,400 Swag is almost like a young. Swag, I think SWAG really blew 1153 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:20,680 up when with Little Wayne using in the bunch and then Yolo 1154 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,160 really blew up. I'm not in the Origin but Yolo 1155 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,520 really blew up when Drake made You live once so. 1156 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,040 That's true. But so swag though, Because 1157 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,280 swag. Because now it's Aura, right? 1158 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,160 Aura is the ditch in Alpha. Yeah, it's so much better. 1159 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,160 It's so much better. Yeah, so much better. 1160 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,240 But I was just like, bro, you're like 50 because it says swag, 1161 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,120 but you're you're you're murdered out. 1162 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:51,320 Fucking Tesla ain't swag, homie. Anyway, so character 1163 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,160 advancement, the way this works is pretty easy. 1164 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,880 So basically PC is level up after something incredible and 1165 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,840 significant happens. That's it. 1166 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,040 Like it's basically milestone leveling, but something super 1167 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,040 fucking dope has to happen. I think that's neat. 1168 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,800 I think that's super neat. Like we finally killed, we 1169 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,880 killed our first dragon Dope. You level up, right? 1170 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,680 But like, hey, we, we, we just visited a bunch of villages. 1171 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,200 You didn't do shit. Down the towns. 1172 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,600 Perfect. Oh yeah, and then elves need to, 1173 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,520 because fuck elves, right? I yeah. 1174 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,200 So basically the way it works is at every. 1175 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,480 Sorry can I can I can I leave a new so the elves needing more? 1176 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,880 The level up is really funny because actually if you go back 1177 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,040 and you read like OD and D you're like even though OSC 1178 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,320 because if all it's the same thing. 1179 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,240 Elves leveling up takes a lot more experience points than 1180 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,760 pretty much everyone else does. Yeah. 1181 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,640 And that was actually going to be my question here is like why 1182 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,000 and like it's obviously. You're a spell sword because 1183 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,000 you're the only real like in in. You're the only real like spell 1184 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,480 Slinger who also uses weapons, you know. 1185 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,000 So you basically have to level up twice before your warrior and 1186 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:03,680 ever. Less. 1187 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,200 It's not quite twice, but it's not far off from it, you know? 1188 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,280 But like, and I get that in OD and D, but why leave it in here 1189 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,840 except as like an ODE is? My thought is like, yeah, it's 1190 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,120 not quite as hard, but like, as an ode to BM, we're going to 1191 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,400 say, you know, again, fuck else. But but I like it. 1192 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:22,680 I think it's clever to make me giggle. 1193 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,960 Because this one still gain spells every level and they also 1194 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,720 can use any weapon and they can use Gmail armor. 1195 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,680 So there's still, that's what. I'm saying is there's no reason 1196 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,720 it's never explaining where why elves need to. 1197 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,560 And if you've never read what you said earlier, like the fact 1198 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,800 that the original ones, that's why I'm like, so this is just an 1199 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,600 ode. This is literally and I'd love 1200 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,440 that that's in there, though. I love that it is a nice little 1201 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:47,920 ode. All right. 1202 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,120 So gosh, I thought this would go a lot faster. 1203 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,480 We're talking a lot, but I like this one. 1204 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,760 So we're going to feel. So basically. 1205 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,200 It's a great discussion piece for people who are interested in 1206 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,800 like kind of the old school way of thought and also like modern 1207 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,600 hacks and their interpretation. And also I think the game design 1208 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,960 notes add a lot of fuel for us to discuss how we feel about 1209 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,360 this as well in our own opinions. 1210 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,800 Yeah, I I agree. And I like that the game design 1211 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,280 notes kind of let you have this kind of conversation with the 1212 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,400 with the designer, the other designer present, which is cool. 1213 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,920 So basically at every level, PCs gain one hit dice, spellcasters 1214 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,640 gain 1 spell. Every third level you gain one 1215 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,920 additional save to your pool and you increase one of your one in 1216 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,640 six chance abilities by 1. So if it's one in six, it 1217 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,120 becomes two in six, etcetera, etcetera. 1218 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:38,120 And then every third level, casters increase their circle of 1219 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,720 magic by 1. And we'll get to magic in a 1220 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,160 little bit. And that's best basically what 1221 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,640 you get. We'll get into archetype 1222 01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,160 advancement stuff later and alternate advancement rule. 1223 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,160 Basically instead of the whole like wait till cool shit 1224 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,880 happens, it basically says that each level the GM asks the PC is 1225 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,800 like what do you think would get you to the next level? 1226 01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:05,640 And then if they accomplished that or similar ish they do they 1227 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,880 they advance the level. And it says GMs should not 1228 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,560 accept bad or simple suggestions. 1229 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,920 I fuck with that rule, actually. I love like the like insertion 1230 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,040 of even more narrative context to leveling up. 1231 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,440 Like, yeah, what is your character improving within their 1232 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,320 own sphere of whatever that looks like? 1233 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,160 You know, is that your fighter finding a master and training 1234 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,840 with them for a little bit and you can just do that in the 1235 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,520 background, like a training montage or whatever. 1236 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,520 Like, I think that's a cool. Or even as like a group level 1237 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,080 thing, you could be like, well, like you could really bring the 1238 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,760 narrative into like, we're we need to take out this fucking 1239 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,600 guy so we can get to the warlord. 1240 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,320 And I think that once we take out that guy, that's enough to 1241 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:44,400 level us up. And it's like dope. 1242 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,920 All right, well, now you not only do you know when you're 1243 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,320 going to level up next, you have a focus to your love language, I 1244 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,640 think is really neat. And you know, more Bruno art and 1245 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,520 more Bruno art that this this wizard piece. 1246 01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,560 Wizard piece is so unbelievably good. 1247 01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,600 They're on. They're on the horns, too. 1248 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,560 Yeah. So, magic. 1249 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,200 Do you want me to read through magic or do you want to read 1250 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,120 magic? I'm on the cruise. 1251 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,200 All right, Ryan heavy episode, which we did plan before that 1252 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,000 and I'm fine with it today, so. Right, so magic basically says 1253 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:22,040 that Wizards and elves get one spell on their tone at first 1254 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,680 level, and clerks get one miracle at second level, then 1255 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:31,840 one at each level after. And this is part of GDN 4. 1256 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:34,920 Let's jump down to that real quick and see if we want to talk 1257 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,320 about magic before or after we read spells and magic rules. 1258 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,120 We'll read it after. Remind me to jump down there 1259 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,080 after we've read the magic. I won't forget. 1260 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,120 That's fine. It's in the notes so I'll be 1261 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,160 able to remember it so OK cruising through this. 1262 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:55,480 So basically tomes of magic. It basically says that in your 1263 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,360 tome, Wizards and elves can have multiples of the same spell. 1264 01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,560 There's no limit to how many spells can be written inside the 1265 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,760 tome, and your tome counts as one item for carrying capacity. 1266 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,640 You get Cleric miracles, which basically says clerics pray for 1267 01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,520 and memorize spells each day and can you can pray for the same 1268 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,960 miracle more than once, but once you've used up that version it's 1269 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,280 gone for the day. This is very obviously super 1270 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,880 classic Wizards and and and clerics. 1271 01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,440 Your spell durations is next. Basically says most spells are 1272 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:32,600 instantaneous, some last as long as concentration and some can be 1273 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:37,480 permanent with like components. And shit, yeah, yeah, you can 1274 01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,000 do. You can do a ritual with a bunch 1275 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,240 of stuff and make a thing happen for good. 1276 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,320 Yeah, yeah. Concentration works like you 1277 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,600 think concentration works. You can spin action each round 1278 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,000 to keep it. I was gonna. 1279 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,280 It's so funny because I was this section. 1280 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,400 It's like magic works exactly how you think it does. 1281 01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,760 Yeah, so. This magic works exactly how 1282 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,080 magic fucking works and all of it. 1283 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,080 This is a really great adaptation of the way that they 1284 01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,360 did some of the stuff to simplify it, but it's basically 1285 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,000 just like a simplified version of exactly how it works. 1286 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,560 Yeah. Like you spin an action to keep 1287 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,680 your concentration and if you get injured, it's broken. 1288 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:07,280 Boom. Donzo. 1289 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,360 Healing spells are neat. It's interesting again. 1290 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,720 It I one thing that I do like about this game, and one thing 1291 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,360 that I do like about like Zine and small games in general is, 1292 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,520 and we said this over and over again, the smaller the game, the 1293 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,480 easier it is to make every, every part of the system loop 1294 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,120 back into itself really consistently. 1295 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,760 The bigger game gets, the more loops I think you're done and 1296 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,880 the more subsystems kind of get away from the core system. 1297 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,880 So with the hit dice chain being literally the core of pretty 1298 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:39,160 much everything, and the opposed action versus defense being the 1299 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,440 core basically mechanic of the entire game that used the hit 1300 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,720 dice chain. I love the way healing spells 1301 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:44,880 work. And the way healing spells work 1302 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,800 is basically the cleric rolls a healing spell opposed by the 1303 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:54,880 target. So if the opposed person, they 1304 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,360 roll their last lost hit dice, just like healing works, just 1305 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:04,600 like your own high hit dice, recovery works, and you roll 1306 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,600 your hit dice against your target's last lost hit dice. 1307 01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:12,400 If the cleric rolls higher, the target regains two hit dice 1308 01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,200 Exactly. But if the target rolls higher, 1309 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:21,000 they only regain one hit dice. Yeah, so you get one back no 1310 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,080 matter what. It's a win win situation really. 1311 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,160 You know, it's, it's way better than trying to lay down to heal, 1312 01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,479 you know? Yeah, I mean it. 1313 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,920 Yeah, you like, that's why you do at high levels as you get 1314 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,520 your clarity to just drop a heel on you because you know you're 1315 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,680 going to get at least one. You don't try to like fucking 1316 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,279 again, like dig the wound, like the the the merce out of the 1317 01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:42,040 wound or some shit because that's just not going to work. 1318 01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,479 So I think. This is a very solid hack and 1319 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:49,560 there's so many like, kind of like gameplay, like motifs or 1320 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,680 like loops that take place in kind of like the BX space. 1321 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,439 They do really enjoy that. They also have brought into this 1322 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,760 It's like, yeah, high levels you would have a cleric with you and 1323 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:01,720 you would just be like, yeah, hey, pump us real quick, bro, 1324 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,240 we're going in. Yeah, just just give us a pump, 1325 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,319 bro. I'm such a gym rat that that's 1326 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:12,200 the word that I use. The next is circles of magic and 1327 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,560 spell casting. So basically it says that Elvis 1328 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,359 and Wizards can cast any classic spells. 1329 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,680 They just use the rules for the circles listed below. 1330 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,000 The circles go from 1:00 to 5:00. 1331 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,520 And for example, let's look at let's look at one spell. 1332 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,960 And then we'll we'll, I'll come back and talk about it lists one 1333 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,880 through 4, but there are five and I'll explain why in a 1334 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,960 second. So when you go to the example 1335 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,920 spells, it lists magic missile, charm, monster, slash, person, 1336 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,399 mage armor, illusions, someone, monsters, tech, magic, 1337 01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,080 polymorph, self or other protection from either, and 1338 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,359 fireball. But you can make up whatever the 1339 01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:49,720 fuck you want. You just use these. 1340 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,560 It's almost like it's almost like how you adapt a monster to 1341 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,640 a game system. This is how to adapt any spell 1342 01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,480 you fucking want to the magic system and I think it's super 1343 01:09:58,480 --> 01:09:59,680 clever. So what do you want to go with? 1344 01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,320 You want to go with like fireball, magic missile? 1345 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,400 What do you think? Summon Monster. 1346 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:09,000 OK, that let's pick one that's like got attack stuff so. 1347 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,560 Fine. Magic Missile. 1348 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,320 OK, magic missile. So magic missile. 1349 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,960 Let's look at 1st circle magic, right? 1350 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,920 It says magic effects use 1D6 for each effect, which means 1D6 1351 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,960 attack, role, recovery, protection, life, whatever. 1352 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,200 They have a lesser effect in other aspects. 1353 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:31,400 So conjure or charm up to one HD monster, create one illusion, 1354 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,320 etcetera etcetera etcetera. But then if you go to circle, 1355 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,640 2nd circle it says magic effects gain plus one to dice effects. 1356 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,520 So it's 1D6 plus one attack recovery and protection. 1357 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,520 Lesser effects are doubled. So you can conjure up to 21 HD 1358 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,400 monsters. And then once you hit third 1359 01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,240 level, magic effects increase to 2D6 for effects, etcetera, 1360 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:55,480 etcetera etcetera. 4th circle is filed as the same logic. 1361 01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:58,920 It says magic follows the same logic. 4th circle follows the 1362 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,760 same logic as second, fifth logic leaves the same logic as 1363 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,680 third. So basically 4th it's 2D6 plus 1364 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,640 one, at 5th it's 3D6, et cetera, et cetera. 1365 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,280 So super easy. So any spell you want to cast, 1366 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,440 you just look at it. So from an example, magic 1367 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:20,480 missile 1st circle 1D6 second circle 1D6 plus 1/3 circle 2D 1368 01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:26,640 six 4th circle yeah, 2D6 plus one and then 5IS3D6. 1369 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:35,000 Like super, super easy to literally adapt any spell you 1370 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,240 want just using you just go OK, this is third level. 1371 01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,080 So that means that fireball at third level. 1372 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,200 And when we go to the game design notes, they physically 1373 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,240 talk about fireball and they're like, that means that first 1374 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,440 level bad guy, first level Wizards, little low, low, low 1375 01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:51,880 wizard guys can cast a fireball. It's as weak as fuck as one D6 1376 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:53,360 That's. Fine. 1377 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:53,840 And that's. Good. 1378 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,200 Yeah, that's neat. Yeah. 1379 01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:57,480 And then secondary effect, So if you look at something like 1380 01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:01,400 Fireball, it talks about all targets in a short distance and 1381 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,600 then all, yeah, it says all targets in a short distance. 1382 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,760 So you get that secondary effective of of adding that 1383 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,280 stuff in. And that is how magic works. 1384 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:25,680 So if we go down to if we go down to which GDN was it GDN 1385 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,960 for, we can talk about magic real quick and then move on. 1386 01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:37,310 Spelling magic rules. As you guys see in my other 1387 01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:41,830 games, freeform magic is my jam and many BX. 1388 01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:45,520 I try to make freeform rule compatible with BX, which also 1389 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,280 means that the original rules can be used in the game through 1390 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,080 examples that try to match the different circles of spells and 1391 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,160 effects for a spell for the most iconic spells overall. 1392 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,080 That means that a wizard can have fireball at first level, 1393 01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,480 but it will only have a very close an effect a very close to 1394 01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:00,040 magic missile. It's flavor and I love it. 1395 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,480 And to simplify stuff a lot, next we get to equipment, which 1396 01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:07,040 again is really only listed as armor. 1397 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,480 Weapons. So basically there's plate mail, 1398 01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:11,760 chainmail, leather plus 3 + 2 + 1. 1399 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,600 And then you have a shield which is plus one and you can destroy 1400 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,960 the shield to reduce all damage from one attack. 1401 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,960 Plastic God armor works like you think it does Weapons. 1402 01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:25,760 It lists different types of weapons from daggers, swords and 1403 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,400 two handed swords to pull weapons to long bows to short 1404 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,200 bows. And it gives you the attack dice 1405 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,440 which is 26/28/2010 etcetera. And then here's my next issue 1406 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:37,400 that I have it, it gives you the type of weapon, so like a dagger 1407 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,480 or whatever, like Mace, whatever is slashing or crushing, 1408 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,200 slashing, slashing. But then once you get to the two 1409 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:47,000 handed stuff and thinks it says Wheeler goes last in combat, 1410 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,520 wielder goes last in combat, up to long range combat happens. 1411 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,720 Once. Or you go 1st and then go last. 1412 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,440 But also if someone has A2 handed axe and someone has a a 1413 01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:59,080 pole weapon, how can the Wheeler go last in combat? 1414 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,240 So but then also if that's how that works, then why not talk 1415 01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,080 about it in the initiative section or in the action 1416 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,200 section? But it's also contradictory to 1417 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:14,280 itself because it specifically discusses in the initiative or 1418 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,560 combat section. It's under the movement section. 1419 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:23,520 It specifically says that combats do not need to declare 1420 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,760 spells and retreats at the start of each combat rounds. 1421 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,560 Spells do not take one full round of cast and the standard 1422 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,160 combat sequence is ignored in favor of the following rules. 1423 01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,880 So I I took the standard combat sequence quote UN quote to be 1424 01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,880 like the the old school. Yes, that's how your spells 1425 01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:39,600 everything. But then. 1426 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,880 But then two of your weapon types jump you back into this 1427 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,520 like you go last you go last bit. 1428 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,760 But why is the only place that that's discussed in the graphic 1429 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,600 for how for weapons not in actions, movement, or 1430 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,080 initiative? I'm fine with it. 1431 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,600 That's totally fine. Just throw it in where the rules 1432 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,160 are instead of just the graphic. It'd be nice to have the context 1433 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:00,640 of that rule where that rule is explained. 1434 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,880 Yeah, I agree. But I also do really love this 1435 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,440 spread. I think the art around it is 1436 01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:06,160 really needs. Oh, it's not on a spread. 1437 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:08,880 Yeah. Anyway, I love this individual 1438 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,080 graphic here because I most of the book is in that light. 1439 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,600 So it's the colors are an orange, a purple, like a maroon 1440 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,160 and then like a like a super pale yellowish. 1441 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,240 So most of the pages are yellowish, but a couple of them 1442 01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,320 have purple as a background and it pops so nice. 1443 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,640 Just great layout choices all the way through. 1444 01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,880 All right, next we're getting to archetypes. 1445 01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,720 So what archetype did you pick? Dwarf. 1446 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:35,760 Dwarf. So we're just going to cruise 1447 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,360 through dwarf. So basically each archetype is 1448 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,960 like 1/2 a page and it gives you, it gives you a description 1449 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,120 of the archetype. It gives you your dice chain 1450 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,160 specifically says dice chain, not HD chain. 1451 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,000 It gives you your bonus attacks, it gives you your saves, and it 1452 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,920 gives you weapons and armor and the special abilities if you 1453 01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,840 have them. So for example, like the cleric 1454 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:06,120 list special abilities and turned undead, but the warrior 1455 01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:07,800 doesn't list any special abilities at all. 1456 01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:13,080 So there are, yeah, there there are differences, not just that. 1457 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,400 That's basically the roughly of what it is. 1458 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:19,160 Do you want to read Dwarf? Yeah, Dwarf short, stout, 1459 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,560 irritable, greedy, loyal, big fancy beer. 1460 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,560 It's a proclivity for using axes and drinking ale. 1461 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,360 Live in mountains and like to fight. 1462 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,240 Yes. You start with your dice chain, 1463 01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:30,840 you start with your hit dice chain. 1464 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,520 You start with is 1D81D61D4 and you get plus 1D8 thereafter. 1465 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:44,720 Bonus attack plus one increases to +3 at Level 3 into plus 6 1466 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,600 level 6. So you really be hitting, you 1467 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:51,240 know two saves. Cool. 1468 01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:56,160 Can use any armor, but cannot use two handed swords or long 1469 01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:56,760 bows. Is. 1470 01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,240 It too short. You're a little guy. 1471 01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,560 Too short. I'm a little guy, yeah. 1472 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,600 Special abilities doors have a two in six chance of detecting 1473 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,200 anything built on or into stone secret doors, traps, etcetera. 1474 01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:12,800 This increases to by increases by one in six to. 1475 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,760 I don't know why, I said. I don't know why they just put 1476 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:19,400 increases to three and six at third level and oh, 'cause it's 1477 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,280 again, it's level increases, Yeah. 1478 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,520 So it goes up. One to three and six at third 1479 01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,400 level and then one more to four and six at six level. 1480 01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great. 1481 01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,480 This is such a better like imagine like a 5E. 1482 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,200 The 5E explainer is literally a full fucking page. 1483 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,520 Like it's ridiculous how much shit you get. 1484 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,080 And I that's one thing I really like about this is you don't 1485 01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,480 really get anything more. The shit you have just gets a 1486 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:47,440 little bit better. Yeah, which I really like. 1487 01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:48,720 And they're they're all like that. 1488 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,760 They're all I I really like the way that like they clearly like 1489 01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,040 it is ABX hack and they really brought the spirit of it into 1490 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,320 the archetypes and even the things like I said, like the the 1491 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,760 elves getting needing too for a for advancement. 1492 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,760 It's definitely like a a a minimalist hack of it, but 1493 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,640 definitely keeps the spirit. I think like very, very, very, 1494 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:11,960 very much alive. If you played a lot of BX or a 1495 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:16,120 lot of like the old retro clones, this like feels like 1496 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,120 that even if the mechanic comes up are different. 1497 01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,720 So that's how archetypes work. Again, we talked about the there 1498 01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,800 being the six of them. Three are humans and three are 1499 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:30,360 not your humans being your cleric, your wizard and your 1500 01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,480 warrior, and then your non humans being your dwarf, your 1501 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:37,680 elf and your halfling. So they're neat. 1502 01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,120 And then there is a whole section here the the actual like 1503 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,640 archetype progression tables for each one that lists your level, 1504 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,000 your attack bonus, your magic bonus, your HD chain, your 1505 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,080 saves, and number of spells you can have in your magic circle 1506 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,400 for clerics. But for other people, it's just 1507 01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,640 your level, your attack bonus, your HD chain, and your saves. 1508 01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,640 So everything you need. Super easy peasy, really 1509 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:02,720 straightforward. Like a lot. 1510 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,400 There's a section here on how to hack monsters from BX retro 1511 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,720 clones to mini BX. It's great. 1512 01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,640 We're not going to read it, but it breaks down everything on how 1513 01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,480 to use the hit ice chain, what to do if they're two, if they're 1514 01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:17,760 really big and powerful abilities that rely on hit 1515 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,520 points, saves, armor attacks, attack rolls, like magic mile 1516 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,240 everything. It breaks down every aspect of 1517 01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,360 turning one over and it's great. And then there's some examples 1518 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,080 here. Red dragon bugbear basilisk 1519 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,920 super classic in the art is is really, really a banger for 1520 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,320 that. And then we get to the appendix, 1521 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,560 which is a game design notes. We've already talked about talks 1522 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,600 about nobility scores, rolling modifiers, HD chain and combat 1523 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,360 rules, your spell of magical rules, your saves and saving 1524 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,280 throws, hit test recovery and morale, and a cute little piece 1525 01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:47,480 of art in the back with a little heart. 1526 01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,920 A banger piece of art of like a bull person playing a trumpet 1527 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:59,040 next to a Jack O Lantern guy holding a car. 1528 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,000 Yeah, so fucking random and cool. 1529 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,880 I love it in pages and then the back of the book. 1530 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,200 That's it. Easy peasy. 1531 01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,160 We did that, yeah. That was a fun discussion 1532 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,080 though, You know, I mean, for a game so short, it took us longer 1533 01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,440 than would have maybe for another game, but it was 1534 01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:18,080 enjoyable to talk about it. Well, that's one thing that I 1535 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,440 like sometimes about doing the Zenes is like they're shorter 1536 01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:24,880 than our normal episodes in that like they're not tuned after 1537 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,120 their hours long. But I feel like we get to like 1538 01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,920 stop and talk a lot more razines than we can with the bigger 1539 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,560 games because we have to cruise those a little bit more. 1540 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:36,040 And this was a fun one to talk about because the game design 1541 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,160 know we'll get that in a second. So go into the review scores. 1542 01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,080 I need to remind myself to say, go into the review scores more 1543 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:43,920 because that's where I like listen. 1544 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:49,280 So I can cut into, into the, into the thumbnails, but the, 1545 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:53,000 the timestamps. So, so we do quantify our 1546 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,760 terrible opinions with numbers and metrics, right? 1547 01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,000 So zines are different than books. 1548 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,360 We said that before zines being 30 or 40 pages or less, quote UN 1549 01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,480 quote books being 30 or 40 pages or more depending on the book. 1550 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,320 And with books, we can do 5 metrics, but with zines we only 1551 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,880 do three, each having a potential value of up to 10. 1552 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:16,720 So Max score being 30, we do visuals, which is the all of the 1553 01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,240 visuals of the book, the the art, the layout, everything that 1554 01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,120 you see in the book is visuals. The rule set is the rule set. 1555 01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,720 If it's an adapted rule set, how well is it adapted in our 1556 01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,480 opinions? If it's a new rule set, do we 1557 01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:32,680 like it? And vibes are kind of the catch 1558 01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,080 all for everything else to a point. 1559 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,280 It's once you close the back of the book, how bad you want to 1560 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:45,240 play the book and also a mix of do the visuals and rule set work 1561 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:50,000 together in concert to give you a really cool, fun experience 1562 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,720 reading the book that you can imagine at the table and want to 1563 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,880 play really bad. So those are the vibes. 1564 01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,200 So visuals. What are your thoughts on 1565 01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:58,600 visuals? So the the art and layout 1566 01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,920 basically. I think this is visually like a 1567 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,880 really great game, you know, it looks amazing. 1568 01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,440 There's art packed into this thing all the way through. 1569 01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:10,080 There's some really cool pieces. The layout is really, it looks 1570 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,960 really good. I like a lot of the Heathers 1571 01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,920 like you do. I like the font choices. 1572 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,160 I think it's incredibly readable. 1573 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,640 Yeah, I I enjoyed this game visually. 1574 01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,560 Yeah, visually it I think it slaps. 1575 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:27,400 Bruno's art is incredible. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I, I 1576 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,280 need to know so that I don't fuck up their name every single 1577 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,440 time. But MA go gua. 1578 01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,520 Love the fucking layout, love the way that it works. 1579 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,520 Love the way like visually, how it goes. 1580 01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,480 The color choices are fantastic. Yeah, really, really great. 1581 01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:46,120 What do you what do you think? You think it's great? 1582 01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,720 I think it's really good. What are your thoughts? 1583 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,680 Yeah, yeah, I'm leaning that way, you know. 1584 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,520 You think this, you think this, you think his greatness. 1585 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,000 I think for a Zine in the context of zines, yeah, I 1586 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,320 definitely do. Sick. 1587 01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:03,560 All right. So what number are you looking? 1588 01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:18,500 At thinking like an 8. I think 8 yes, OK, I think I 1589 01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:23,140 think 882. I mean art throughout, amazing 1590 01:23:23,140 --> 01:23:25,140 layout, color choices are fantastic. 1591 01:23:25,180 --> 01:23:27,380 I mean, it kills it. It it this is this is what I 1592 01:23:27,380 --> 01:23:31,060 really like in scenes is when when the they're small enough 1593 01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:33,020 that they can let the art and layout really speak and shine 1594 01:23:33,020 --> 01:23:33,900 through. Absolutely. 1595 01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:37,620 And that's great. So rule set really interesting. 1596 01:23:37,620 --> 01:23:40,240 I know that there's some stuff that we like, like discussed a 1597 01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,360 bunch through it like the residual damage and things like 1598 01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,720 that, but what are your thoughts overall on the the rule set as a 1599 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,760 minimalist hack of of being? I think it's a clever thing. 1600 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:54,200 I enjoyed it plenty. Yeah, I don't know that I don't 1601 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:55,880 know. Everything in the rule set's 1602 01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,480 good, and it works well, except maybe residual damage. 1603 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,600 I'd be interested to hear your opinion on that. 1604 01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,240 Yeah, I think it's really neat. I think I think a lot of people 1605 01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:12,440 think that BX is for some reason complicated compared to like 5th 1606 01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:14,480 edition which I think is like fucking laughable. 1607 01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:19,080 It's actually pretty funny. I think most of it Thako that 1608 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,480 makes them feel like that. Yeah but Thako fucking sucks. 1609 01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:27,160 Just use ascending anyway. But like, but but it's not. 1610 01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,960 And so BX is like clever and interesting. 1611 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,200 And this is like a super simple hack. 1612 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,440 I think it's it's extremely clever hack. 1613 01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:37,760 It's basically like a black hack hack of of BX. 1614 01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:43,400 This is like the fucking this is like the the mock out of 1615 01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:44,880 monsters. This is like the Gray hack. 1616 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:48,000 But if you if you didn't add white hack, you just added BX 1617 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,080 into it. And I think it's extremely 1618 01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,600 clever. I think the core mechanic dice 1619 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,240 chain, and then how everything derives from the dice chain, 1620 01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,000 like the ice chain is the core of the entire thing. 1621 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:02,040 And then the opposed role is the mechanic that utilizes the core 1622 01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,120 throughout the entire thing. And I think the simplicity of 1623 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,840 that and the cleverness and cleanness of that is fantastic. 1624 01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:13,120 I love it. I think my only like I would say 1625 01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,320 like big conical issue within like mechanic is a residual 1626 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:17,920 damage. I think that there's a super 1627 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:22,960 easy way to either not use that or to simplify it and and then 1628 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,800 it would be more consistent with the rest of the book, but I 1629 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:29,480 can't remember any specific rule that I had an issue with beyond 1630 01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:40,050 that. And go away. 1631 01:25:40,050 --> 01:25:41,850 I can't. Can you? 1632 01:25:42,090 --> 01:25:42,970 Can you? Can you? 1633 01:25:43,530 --> 01:25:44,290 Can you? Sorry, sorry, sorry. 1634 01:25:44,690 --> 01:25:45,570 Sorry. Sorry. 1635 01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:50,090 And then, sorry, there was a thing that popped up in chat 1636 01:25:50,090 --> 01:25:52,250 that I was trying to get rid of and it wouldn't go for some 1637 01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:56,160 reason. So I love, I think the rules 1638 01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,960 incredibly clever. I think there are parts that I 1639 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:03,240 disagree with some of the statements, but I love that the 1640 01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,040 statements are there. And I honestly think we kind of 1641 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,200 have to throw the game design notes into rule set and the fact 1642 01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,040 that they're they're like basically annotating the thought 1643 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,880 process behind every choice that they made and how they adapted 1644 01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:15,440 BX. I love this. 1645 01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:17,680 I wish every fucking game had like two or three pages in the 1646 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,480 back where they just like, hey, This is why you fucking did 1647 01:26:19,480 --> 01:26:20,840 this. So you don't have to like 1648 01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,760 question why or like figure out how to like hack it in a 1649 01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,320 different direction. I love it. 1650 01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,640 I think it's incredibly clever. They're like the great thing 1651 01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,240 about this and a lot of systems like this is it even tells you 1652 01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,000 like this is just basically a framework. 1653 01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:40,680 This is not some giant like comprehensive exactly like it's 1654 01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,960 enough to do your own thing. And what I like about that is 1655 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,160 that means that anything I don't like I would just hack. 1656 01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,280 So my issue with residual damage, the game literally says 1657 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,320 just make up your rules or do whatever you want. 1658 01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,840 Like this is just like the initial framework guidance. 1659 01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,320 I I did it in the fucking notes as we were doing it. 1660 01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,920 So I I really, I think it's really I would like to play 1661 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,520 this. I love the brutality of it. 1662 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:07,280 I love the the simplicity of it. Like if I was going to play BX, 1663 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,640 realistically played BX, there are two games I think that I 1664 01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:17,920 would play and it's advanced Dungeon Goons and this. 1665 01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:23,000 I think it's interesting that the mechanic that they use is 1666 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,880 similar in both. How like the tunnel goons thing 1667 01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:29,160 of like hit and then you get worse each time you hit and the 1668 01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,920 way that hit dice works, the hit dice chain works and like you 1669 01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,320 lose a hit dice and it gets worse you totally. 1670 01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,120 Breaking down the character, yeah. 1671 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,440 Yeah, there there is definitely like a a similar kind of spirit 1672 01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:40,560 in those. I I really, I really enjoy it. 1673 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,680 And as a hack, I think it's a really interesting hack and 1674 01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,800 having those design discussions in the back makes it more 1675 01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,520 interesting to me. What are your thoughts? 1676 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,600 I think very similar thoughts to you. 1677 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,320 Yeah, I enjoyed those. So what do you think? 1678 01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:56,360 So what do you think for a number? 1679 01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:06,830 Somewhere between the seven. I'm 7:00-ish. 1680 01:28:06,830 --> 01:28:10,230 I'm 7:00-ish. Right now so. 1681 01:28:10,230 --> 01:28:17,880 Yeah, 7-8 and or seven in. Yeah, probably like 7.4, you 1682 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,560 know? Yeah, let's go 7 on this. 1683 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,480 I really do enjoy it. I do like the simplicity. 1684 01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,600 I do think at some point we do have to toss in like there is 1685 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,840 like some like really contradictory information, like 1686 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,800 the the life with the armor and and stuff like that in scenes. 1687 01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,680 This is kind of where we have to throw in those things. 1688 01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,600 So like having the contradictory information, having some other 1689 01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,440 things pop up where you're like, this is really making sense in 1690 01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:41,880 context of this. Like the way that the equipment 1691 01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,520 isn't really like you don't need to explain the equipment beyond. 1692 01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,760 But like that it says like there is no sequence of combat, but 1693 01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,760 then there are sequence of combats is in the equipment 1694 01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,160 section. I think has to weigh in a little 1695 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:52,160 bit. So I think the rule set is about 1696 01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,560 a seven. And then where are your vibes 1697 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,480 for this? I enjoyed this fine. 1698 01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,840 This is not like I'm not like fucking burning to play this 1699 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,440 version. I think it's cool and I like the 1700 01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:06,680 ideas from it and I I think I'd more appreciate this as a 1701 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,960 discussion piece on design then I really like. 1702 01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,240 You know, now that I don't think it'd be a good game to play, but 1703 01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,800 that's how I feel so. I don't I don't disagree. 1704 01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,640 I don't disagree with that. That was actually what's popping 1705 01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,680 in my head too, is like, I thought this is a really 1706 01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,040 interesting game and I would love to play it. 1707 01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,920 I also think it's so simple that we could we could we could play 1708 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,760 it right now. We could explain this to 1709 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:30,320 somebody in like 10 minutes and be playing in 20, which I you 1710 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,680 know that this is our. Kind of a very positive part, 1711 01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:36,920 yeah. But I and I'd so I do really 1712 01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,720 enjoy the game, but I think even more so, like you just said, I 1713 01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,800 like it as a discussion piece to sit down and really have like a 1714 01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,560 conversation about design and having the game design notes in 1715 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,360 the back, letting us have the conversation with Lucas without 1716 01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,560 having Lucas present, which is right and cool. 1717 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,560 So my vibes are a little bit higher for talking about this 1718 01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,280 game than like playing the game. So what are you thinking and. 1719 01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,600 Like a six. Yeah, I think my vibes are 1720 01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:05,760 probably about a six. Cool. 1721 01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:13,160 Yeah. So 6 + 7 + 8 is the same as 7 * 1722 01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:14,200 3. So that's the 21. 1723 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:16,920 Look, I didn't even pull up a calculator. 1724 01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:19,440 I'm so proud of you. Look at us. 1725 01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,400 So silence or here I think this is I think this is great. 1726 01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:30,720 You know what also that doesn't come into play here, but is if 1727 01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,960 it was more of a book value would come into a little bit 1728 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,360 more and I do want to discuss that a little. 1729 01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,240 Bit yeah, I think it's a good point, so. 1730 01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:41,480 When you if you were able to get it on Soul Muppet, it was only 1731 01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:45,000 20 bucks for the physical scene which is fantastic if you buy it 1732 01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,680 right now. Because Luke was I think 1733 01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:51,480 previously was having a sale. I think maybe their computer 1734 01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:54,160 broke or something cuz I think Diogo was having a sale before 1735 01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,520 cuz they got their phone stolen. I think Lucas maybe needed a 1736 01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,840 computer or something so they were having a sale so you can 1737 01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:06,720 get a bundle. The complete creative bundle 1738 01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,200 support my art for this $15 bundle. 1739 01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:10,640 You better believe I snagged this in heartbeat. 1740 01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:12,760 Is there some things that have? It's basically Lucas roams 1741 01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,960 entire like entire fucking catalog on itch which is 1742 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:25,440 literally 1234 so 12345 so like 20 things and some of them are 1743 01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:27,440 like a lot of them are fucking bangers. 1744 01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:30,520 Packs and blades is insane. All the stuff for packs and 1745 01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,040 blades like Salamander house is on here. 1746 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,320 What else is on? So you get mini BX. 1747 01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,720 You get Last Oath, which actually just recently got the 1748 01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,400 physical of which is a fucking banger. 1749 01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:44,200 You get Death Knight which is a solo or GM less RPG, which is 1750 01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,480 the fucking banger with incredible art in it. 1751 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,920 You get the death God mausoleum adventure, which is incredible 1752 01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,440 like like everything Lucas does is fantastic. 15 bucks for 1753 01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:57,520 everything is insane. I would highly recommend going 1754 01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,640 and grabbing that we'll make sure that the link to this 1755 01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,520 bundle specifically is in here again, we're not sponsored by 1756 01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:04,800 anyone, which I really love the way that Lucas does a lot of the 1757 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,680 stuff and especially their layout is really fantastic too. 1758 01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:16,080 But that also means that currently the the Mini BX PDF is 1759 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:21,200 $3 when it's normally $30. I would highly recommend getting 1760 01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,760 this because not only do you get Mini BX, which is a really fun 1761 01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,400 interesting that we just went through, but you also get what 1762 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,440 all do you get character sheets from Burner Seca, which are 1763 01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:32,760 gorgeous. You get a whole there's a whole 1764 01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,160 thing about game design choices written for mini BX, which is 1765 01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:38,760 great. You get the stack tower like 1766 01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,760 little game thing for it, which is like a game about like 1767 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:42,920 stacking dice. So basically like a mini game 1768 01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:46,400 inside the game. You get a bestiary you get and 1769 01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:47,960 then you get all the adventures and settings. 1770 01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:52,520 So Unseen Citadel, Saint Linmore, St. 1771 01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,960 Linen's Graveyard, Cult of the Blind God, a whole section of 1772 01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,680 new archetypes for this too. Like so much. 1773 01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:02,080 Fucking Like if this was getting a value score at our normal Zine 1774 01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,840 thing, this would easily be like an 8 or 9 just in the amount of 1775 01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,840 shit you get for it. It's crazy. 1776 01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,640 And the fact that right now it's $3 is insane and $15.00 for 1777 01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,640 Lucas's entire portfolio is one of the best deals on on itch 1778 01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,360 right now because you're going to dig into it and think and 1779 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,040 know that everything is a fucking banger. 1780 01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,560 Even just to get mini BX and packs and blades and Death 1781 01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,320 knight. 15 bucks it's in the same deal and you get like 17 1782 01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,440 more things for it. So I would highly recommend 1783 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:30,400 grabbing it. Very gore. 1784 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,200 I hope that they would do another print run of this to 1785 01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,320 gorgeous little book. I would, absolutely. 1786 01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,800 This this is. For side quests I would play 1787 01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:42,920 this in a heartbeat, but that is that's mini BX. 1788 01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:45,560 This is fun. I, I, this is again why I really 1789 01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,800 like doing Dean's every now and then is we do get to spend a 1790 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,280 little more time on it, but that's it. 1791 01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,560 I don't know what the fuck we're doing next week, but we have 1792 01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:57,520 some fun stuff coming up here soon on our yeah, on our blue 1793 01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,840 sky. We dropped a little hint of some 1794 01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,920 potential things coming up. In a regular formula for some 1795 01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,440 episodes. Yeah, it's going to be fun and 1796 01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:06,840 interesting, but that's it for today. 1797 01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,280 Hunter. I will talk to you later and 1798 01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:09,480 we'll see all of you later. Bye.