Hello, and welcome to the weekly.
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Archive, my name is Ryan and I'm of the jeweled spider in her
Stone web, beautiful, wonderful. Really, with us today, we got a
couple of special guests here. We got Josh, John Davis and Matt
Morris. Are you guys doing today?
Hello wow. Doing well so uh so what so who
the heck are you? Good?
You got this. Yeah.
Why what brings you to our show today?
Oh, I'm some nobody, I guess. I guess if there's folks out
there who know me, they probably know me from in the light of the
Setting Sun wild blue yonder or Helm in.
Allure. Yeah, and I'm just some dude who
stumble across cool. Old-school games 5e was all I'd
ever done. And I played a lot with little
mice and mouse Ritter and then I stumbled across bastards and the
rest is history as we all do. Yeah.
So, um, so talking about some of this stuff.
So today, today, the plan is to eventually, sorry, ADHD allows
us to get there. Maybe talk about the Bastardized
Classics prior to that though. You know, John you're old news,
we've had you on the show a couple of times, you know, once
you kill us, you know, you're you're officially part of the
show but Matt as you said before you you are a big mouse Ritter
guy for a long time, you just kind of hit the ground running
with that too. I think right before stream you
said you had like 40 supplements written form Twitter.
Yeah, it was, it was a funny, funny season.
I was making proxies for Magic the Gathering then covid hit.
And so, my D&D group, moved to online and I was like, oh, I'm
going to see if there's a community of stuff online,
stumbled across the osr, then stumbled across everything else
all in early twenty, twenty thousand Mouse Ritter.
And here's the honest story, I thought master was cute, but it
wasn't 5e and that was all I knew.
I'm sorry. I put it on the PDF file on my
computer and then one afternoon I was watching, I've got birds
out my backyard and there was this little field mouse running
around in a scrub. Jay dive-bomb, the field mouse
threw it up in the air and then proceeded to kill it was
horrific and I was like, wait, there's a game where you could
be an adventure like and I was like, I was like, I know I have
a game. So I searched like Mouse on my
computer and because my friend is written in German, it didn't
find it. And I was like, where is this
game? And then I found it and I was
like I need birds and mouth Shredder so I created a
supplement in like September of 2020 and that started a very in
addiction that is still very strong.
Nice. Yeah.
And that actually led to not only like I so I burn pile.
The yay. Yes.
But also we have little up Hootie.
Ian. Yeah, Lilliputian.
If so, there we go. Yeah.
What is it called? A travel.
He travels to the island of Lilliput where everyone's like 6
inches tall, and Isaac Williams, wrote Mouse.
Router has a little table, like a random table in the front
where it's like you stumble, across a Lilliputian Explorer.
And I was like, yes and I want to play Cairn but I want them to
be as tall as mice. So I'm going to make mouse
Ritter Karen together, but it's going to be sailing and that's a
little patience. Oh yeah.
So I'm using I'm using a bunch of like Karen supplements and
I'm like scale everything 1216 inches is 6 feet boom.
And now you can run Karen with mouse Ritter and it's crazy to
use it to the odd. We want you got enough like you
got enough stuff on the back here.
You got, you got caring, you got mouse that are you got Mark of
the odd? You gotta go.
It's all stacked it because actually the first thing I had
for me was actually this was carrying sand on crog's, which
is a chemical. And supplement.
Oh yeah. I've got the one printed on gold
paper. Yeah, this is.
This is my cool one, but that will cause.
I mean anyone that touches his nose it's that sweet.
LFO us our paper from Leo, their number one, and number two, oh
yum. So what I guess, what pulls you
to pull master and Karen. Honestly, when I went back and
reread it, I was getting kind of bored of by V and old-school.
Essentials seems yeah. I know, right.
Oh, old school essential. This is what I wanted to run,
but I came to RPGs in like 2016 was when I first rolled the dice
and so I had no history of old school so it was just Sacco and
all that stuff was a little too much and then I thought master
was so streamlined found out it was based on into the odd.
And I'm kind of one of those I think I'm a completionist.
So I was like anything that's based on into the odd.
I'm going to get it. I'm going to run it.
I got a whole I think they're on the other side, a bunch of into
the odd games, I even wrote A supplement that you can pretty
much be Doctor Who jumping from into the odd game back and
forth. So you can be a mouse one day
Nave and Karen the other day or a space fighting Muppet.
Yeah. But I like it, it's simple three
stats. And honestly, I thought bastards
Was into the odd hack when I first saw it and I was like, oh
sweet. I'm going to add this to the
collection and that was, that was really how I got into it.
Nice. Yeah, I mean IMA big into the
odd fan so I I respect I respect the into the odd grind.
I'm not sure what you've done, insead hack, but you know,
there's some, there's some feeling there, you know.
I explained it to my group I said it's crunchy Cairn or
old-school Essentials light it's somewhere in that weird middle.
Yeah. Totally crunchy Karen with a
little with a little Louis, our Twist on the top, I wrought with
a little obviously chose on the top.
I think that's a good example of it or a good.
A good explanation from it. Hmm and then John you know we
did I spell your name wrong to I think I did I didn't want to say
it here. So obviously, you know, you're
one of the, the homies, huge huge for the show, answer for
those that for those that haven't for those that remember
how to spell your name correctly, the cool people that
have you on that, know what they're doing.
And for those that haven't watched the previous episodes.
First of all, Watch the episodes we went over Helmand home, has
an absolutely fantastic game. We played how my got our asses
fucking handed to us talk about Some of your games a little bit,
you know. Because I do have I do have a
stack here because, you know completionist, I don't know what
you mean, man. I have no idea.
Exactly up and be like hey do you happen to have like one of
these like super rare and he's like yeah I got one for.
You didn't sign it for me but like you know I got but just
talk about some of the stuff that you've done a little bit
here between from wild blue yonder to Setting Sun to have a
little bit and and what eventually LED you to Bastards
and best-dressed Classics. Oh bastards, I think is just
another step and why my journey through tabletop games.
Like I kind of just go where my fancy takes me.
You know, that's that's kind of how you live with ADHD.
But yeah, but I don't know. Lock In light of the Setting Sun
was just my like attempt to fill a hole that I saw in the
community that I didn't see a good Western game like in the
tabletop space. Not like sort of this rules
light sort of Western game. So that was my attempt at that
and then wild blue yonder. I have, I live near Appalachia?
I've been in Appalachia all my life and why I just wanted to
Strong setting for Appalachia, you know, 40s like you know Matt
you mentioned osei. Like I didn't grow up old school
either but I don't know something about osc, just
clicked with me and then like Helm.
No. I just like guys swinging swords
around. That's that's really it.
Like at the end of the day fantasy for me is just A dude,
we're and plate. Male bashing you with a mace
over the head. Like, and that's I'm set, you
know, so that's what's up. I don't like to wax pull
poetically about like design or like intent or anything like
that. So really it's just what I have
fun with. And what I want to do with this
space. Very cool.
And I've personally, gone through the I've got I've played
at our Darkly. I've played one of your bastards
supplements and, yeah, I, you know, I, you know, I'm a big
fan. So I'd love to hear how they
ended up to, by the way. Why my players are sociopaths,
that's how it ended up there. So yeah, there are bastards
group. Yeah, they're bastards group.
They hire the guy who was a noncombatant and then Him to,
you know, punch the who's at the top, the Duke of the top of the
tower to death which at least got guy and they left to die
with a ghoul. So you know, just typical just
typical bastard stuff. Really.
Yes that sounds about right. Yeah.
They recovered. There were covering and cesspit
Duncan you know we're monster is so they saw shanked it right?
They did they Redemption their way into the tower.
The tower - yeah, classic classic weirdos.
Yeah I am. I'm ready to ask about what
we're going to end up asking about Ryan.
Do you have something? You know, that's that's II.
That's what I had I really wanted to just, you know chat a
little bit about the what led us to this wonderful moment now.
Yeah so go off King the bastardize.
X is a collection of revisits to old-school like classic modules
made an updated for bastards, what led to this West Broadway?
Say what was the impetus? This like I am super stoked on
this project obviously, and I've already gone through Vault,
Doom, or read through it, but what ledge all here?
Well, I think I think Matt approached me first about a
collab is where it began and initially I, I knew it one time,
I knew that I wanted it to be for bastards.
I knew that much just because I had been like steeped in
bastards up to that point. I had I think at our Darkly is
like the first third-party adventure for bastards.
Like it's not the first third-party thing written for
bastards. I think thrift answer has me
with that incantations but I think it was the first
Adventure. Yeah, incantations, but I knew I
wanted to the collab to be for bastards.
And initially, it was going to be a funnel Adventure called in
the court of the Crimson King, which was originally for Helm,
but I scrapped it could, as was just a bit too Gonzo for help
and then I don't know, I think I was work on stuff for my home
group. Like, I think I was converting,
keep on the Borderlands 2 bastards and I was just showing
notes to Matt and I think it just clicked with the two of us
like, oh, we should we should probably do something like this
for our collab. Yeah, it was, it came out of
nowhere. It was in the middle of that the
bastards jam and we were all like, I don't know.
John, you were putting out like one or two a week.
I was putting out one or two or a week, you know.
Just like a lot of that jam. I do remember watching that both
doll I just like she'll stuff out for it.
Yeah and it was it was just like I think you post a picture to
Twitter of the cover of what is it dungeons of dread and you'd
like written in with pain bastardize and I was like that
is so Savage. Like we should just do those.
Yes yes. And And so at the, I guess the
rest is kind of History. John hit me up.
I said, oh, that's cool. Two more Horrors.
Has that that head with the mouth and the horns.
Let me see if I can throw something together with some
public domain art created. This little cover right here and
was like, this is cool. Could we do something like this?
And I think initially, we were just going to do the one and
then you're like, well, I'm kind of working on the other three.
I was like, let's do all three. I'll and so I threw a bunch of
covers at you. You threw some maps my way and
yeah it kind of spiraled from there spiral upward right?
Because it's a good thing. Yeah I'm obviously super stoked
for it. I think the art and the covers
is like the cover it now. So fantastic.
Laughs I'm slots for hard. It really is a great way to pull
people in real quickly like look how clean is cover it looks so.
Um, what what made you guys specifically want to do like S1
S2 S3 and S4 for this, like batch here because you've done
some other of the classics already.
But why these four specifically for this project?
I don't know. Matt, was there really any like
this place? Yeah.
So to be honest before, John showed me the cover of that
dungeons of dread or the inside cover Wade, read that.
I'm that guy who didn't actually know what S2 S3 and S4 the they
even existed I'd seen tomb of whores.
But again, I had only ever seen the 5e conversion.
It's so I like got it in red. It was like, this is super sick
and and John had suggested doing those for and then, like, after
I red, white blue mountain, I was like, this is the coolest
thing ever, who puts a room with like, a floating water, that
goes around and you have to kayak through rooms of a
dungeon, but only to get ambushed.
And then escaped. I was like, yes.
I want this in every game. So yeah, there wasn't a question
whether or not we should do those I think it was just like
yes these these are the ones. Yeah.
There there's a reason that they're like iconic and they
like Classics. Yeah the classics.
You know it's like they were the first ones to do it.
Like they were the original. Oh geez.
Like to mijares was the first death trap dungeon I believe.
But there is a reason that they've stuck stuck around
there. Yeah they've got this Mystique
about them. You know like people.
Here about tomb of Horrors and they like get this like thousand
yard stare on their face, you know?
Because they know no God no I'm style flashback said to him or Z
but you know, it was such a good idea to because, you know, the
other thing with the with what you're doing with with the
baptized Classics is making different varieties of each of
the The Zane's that are coming out for it.
So, like all the Doom is a funnel peak of 0 is an
adventure, I think they all stars is an adventure cave.
The theme to the heck scroll, that's coming out for it.
So you're doing a lot of different styles of play for
each different one and off like turning Vault of Doom into a
funnel is such a good. Like, just an amazing idea when
I first saw that I was like, oh that's literally fucking peanut
butter and jelly like that's exactly what it should be.
What made you guys did you guys actively fuse to be like okay
well we want to do a funnel. Lund Adventure, a hex crawl
ascetic piece like we want to split up the variety or did it
just like these ones we want to do?
And this is what it feels, like it should be turned into.
John take it away like from my editor just felt like it was it
naturally flowed that way but John was the one who came up
with with with this part of it, it was mostly I guess it was
mostly just wanting to cover all of our bases, you know?
Because we were already making Vault of Doom, a funnel.
So that's a type of Adventure and then why plume mountain is
its own contain dungeon. So yeah, that's an adventure
too, but Like expedition to the barrier Peaks and the lost
caverns of such can't are so massive that I could not rightly
call them, just Adventures by themselves.
I think expedition to the barrier, Peaks involves like 6
dungeon levels that are all like multiple miles wide, you know?
So like that's just a setting, right?
There. Yeah.
That's that's like a Countryside and then lost Captain caverns of
such. Can I thought about it?
And was like, it would be a lot easier just to make this a hex
crawl personally. So it was a no-brainer for me,
at least. Yeah, yeah.
Very cool. So you guys already reimagined a
couple of these, I think we touched on a little bit.
There is the I just got in the mail, I think, yesterday from
spear, which in pursuit of what is hidden, which is the B1.
Yeah, there we go. And then you also already did
bashing on the frontier. So in Pursuit, is that, that is
a minaret map production, right? Is that Yeah, I'm at all Matt.
I think I was sitting in the office for a day and I just was
like, sketching out a map. I texted it to John was like,
hey, I think I'm going to try and do be one and I don't know,
it was like three or four days and I slapped a map together and
then was inspired by both Micah and John the way they write.
And so like evocative and concise as like, I'm gonna try
that and it took a lot of head-banging because I'm not a
good writer at all or at least this was a good practice that is
helping me grow but I think it turned out Yeah, it's great.
I am you know, it fit right in on the Shelf with all the rest
of the little books covers fantastic.
Um but but Bastion on the frontier is that the first?
Because cover says Davis Anderson Morris and Dom I'm
going to say it wrong. Doesn't she know?
The matcha Know, da macedo? I don't know.
Yeah, never heard it said out loud.
Yeah, Alex cool. That's what I though was that
was that the first time that you guys?
Guys, actually put something out together as like, what will
eventually be? Like, the Morrison Davis
Classics? That's one that kind of like,
triggered it going forward. Yeah, it was, I think, John, you
sent me a picture of the map that you had done, which is
beautiful layout in there and I was like, oh, that's sick.
I'm going to do it for my home, game 2 and then I remembered
Alex had put out when when he did beyond the Borderlands he
put out like a little Pocket. Mod for free on his itch page.
It was like a two-sentence description of each room and I
was like that's perfect for a a six size e'en.
So I reached out Some he'd done some work with me before on
Mouse Trader and I was like, hey, can we borrow this and
change? The stats?
Just a little bit. He's like free rein.
Take it. You don't need to credit me and
I was like, well, that's crazy. I'm going to cry to you.
And so then Micah Micah had written something for the jam.
It was brigands, rest. I think and it felt like it fit
in the, in the little region. So I reached out to Mike and
said, hey, could we just like reproduce this in there?
I am, I goes like go for it and so then I don't know.
I think think I started it, December 23rd.
My in-laws got in on December 24th and I think we finished and
I put it up on edge on, like, December 27th.
It was my little Christmas break project in the free time.
Nice. Yeah.
But it was the map, it was the map that did it all and I
wouldn't have even thought about doing it without the map.
Yeah, it was almost a proof-of-concept more or less
because I think we had already started off.
Like the astronauts Classics had already like formed in our minds
by that point. Yeah.
This is almost like, okay, let's let's maybe put this out and see
if people actually like latch onto it.
And, you know, it seems that like people really enjoy it so
that it's sold out at spear which like in a couple hours and
Jared just received a package today with 30 more copies.
So I don't know when they're going live on spear which but
there will be more copies available the mother bastards
every month. Yeah, nothing.
I said I think I might be up right now on spear with but if
you're wrong. So I have a, I have a tangential
question because the first time I ever saw this term tweeted was
actually by John ASR the after school.
Was it Renaissance a revolution? I can't enroll as thing but I
think that all is interchangeable personal.
Yeah, so the Rebellion know so so the after-school Rebellion
the after-school Renaissance Revolution.
So like how is that what is this distinction between that and
like OS RNs are? you know, I think everyone has
their own take on it but I think, you know, it's rules
light but not trying to couch it in this like Well, meaning like
why? Like I totally get why they nsrs
the thing, I totally understand, but they kind of like have their
noses upturned at like, osr as a term.
You know, it's like we're better because we're the ns are where
the cool kids and like I think a our reaction to that personally.
Lie because they're pretty interchangeable as follow, as
far as their design, ethos is go, you know, rules light games.
Yeah, like like Mica said in chat, at least the asrs motto
is, I believe in you like it, trusts, it trusts the reader to
take what is given and make something out of it.
We don't need like Pages upon Pages.
Like, in paragraphs explaining to you how you're supposed to
use these rules, you know? Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. I thought about it, I think, is
it Chris from loot? The room had wrote a A blog post
on it and I haven't even read that.
I just heard John use it. I think I heard Micah use it.
I was like, yeah, that's it. What it like brought to mind to
me was like, if I was 14 going to school and I was waiting for
the bus. I want something I can just whip
out of my pocket. And like, hey, let's roll up a
character in 30 seconds, and let's play an adventure before
the bus gets here. And if we ride the same bus,
we're rolling dice on the leather seats of the bus.
And so to me, it was just like something that That I could
imagine the kids from that TV show recess.
Like just pull like a tiny little magazine out of their
pocket. Be like we're playing D&D but
it's not 30 books and giant table with Miniatures.
So I don't know if that's just what my mind had.
Cool their respect. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think,
the first, the frightening, the first time I saw it was actually
Chris from Luther room. I think they even have it on
like a t-shirt or something too. But, you know, I like the ethos
behind it. You know, we've talked about
sometimes, little bit with 0s are the ns are I don't know if
we talked about it a ton on stream, but I've talked to
people that have created stuff for both and it's like, I'm
Louis, are had a very like I feel like it had a very good
purpose and meaning it came out but there's this like, weird
dichotomy where it's like, it's not really osr.
If it's not just a BX like you know, remake or something and
then there's other people are like, well it's osr but it's
just, you know, modernize rule sets and nsrs just like we're
like the osr but without like the white supremacy and then
Then you know the then we have the ASR so who gives like it's
whatever whatever people want to call stuff in the future it'll
be interesting when TT RPG people in the future talk about
the past and stuff, you know, the post post post PV Tas and Os
ours and nsrs and like all the rest of the stuff on what they
actually talked about for this era regardless.
So I think, I think the, what I find a lot of the core ethos of
All of the ours tends to be is that 5e does not do a good way
of writing Adventures or playing games.
So a lot of people wanted to go back to like here's more of, I
think it's more of that, like, I believe in you thing or just
like here, like, here's a world do stuff in it.
Not the world revolves around. You is kind of where I find the
cord to be the world's not balance to you, you exist, in a
world that turns without you. So whatever people want to call
that, that's How it? That's how it kind of feels me.
I don't know if it feels the same to you guys.
For sure it. I will just say this that host
os are the POS are. That's the posers that's posers.
What they are living at now is ours.
Now our time. This is our time down here.
Yeah. It's there to see The Goonies
The. Goonies lived.
The ASR aesthetic that, I mean, that was then.
It's the most ASR thing ever. Yes, yes.
Listen. The batch size Classics.
Obviously already a Smash Hit. The were all in love with and
Your Darlings of the Indie, ASR nsrs our community like future
forward looking. Like what are you guys doing?
What are you guys doing next? Like are you gonna continue on
this like exploration of like bastards and like bastard
supplements or like give other thing coming out for your own
like favorite systems? I mean, you know, John you have
helm And Mathieu you have everything apparently he knows
she's like making complement controversial thing.
Like what y'all I see yourself doing forward looking Well I've
got I've got a huge, we did a mouse trigger Jam.
I think it was back last year in May and we put together a mega
dungeon that's got like 300 something rooms in it and we
just slapped everyone's PDF. I gave like a PDF template.
We slap them all together, it looked really good and there was
like, some movement of people like, hey, are we going to
publish this print this? And I was like, that's a huge
document. But I've talked with Tony from
plus 1 to XP and we've kind of worked out.
Something we're going to do a B5 size book.
Reached out to Bruno, Pro Saco from Brazil.
He's doing the the cover artwork.
Shoot, there's a bunch of artists that have worked on some
mouse Razer stuff with me that are going to do art.
And then I asked all the people who submitted to the jam, hey,
send me all just like your plain text file, format it all.
So it looks like it's the same document.
I think it's gonna be like, a 200-page mouse.
Ritter dungeon that could literally With the amount of
rooms you could run probably two or three generations of mice
through it before you got to the end of it.
So it could be an entire 425 year-long campaign and just one
dungeon. So that's that's going to be
first part of end of spring first, part of Summer, but I'm
planning to probably put out a bastards thing once a month, as,
as long as I can. Hell, yeah, cool.
I look forward to being inundated with bastards content
but you John, Yeah, same thing going to still be putting out
bastard stuff. I don't know about you Matt but
I have my eye on ravenloft next. After I do what I think I'm
gonna do eyelid red, so maybe we'll do best as classic 2.0 and
the mom would read. Yeah, okay.
And then, you know, I'm actually going hard on a, we deal in lead
after we're done the vascularized classics, like I
don't know. That's one game that I'm
looking. That's just like man this really
needs some content. Yeah like my card since you can
game small little plug. I made a thing called we deal in
Pips and it's a mouse Ritter we deal in lead crossover so you
can be a mouse that goes through the void into like the wild west
or you can be a gunslinger that ends up on another world that's
like a mouse size world. So that's upon it for free, it's
up to you. I did want to ask a little bit
about the bachelor stuff to and about the bass just classic.
You know. One of the things we do judge
here or raped or whatever review on the show is the art and style
of of ziens. So with that you have great
artist associate with the Prodigy of Hodag, what, how did
you just reach out and be like, hey we like your stuff is like
the perfect Vibe for what we're doing.
We love to do some Pieces or or what?
What got him or them tight onto the project with you?
You know, I guess I'll talk. I'm the one communicating with
Hodag and like I had worked with them previously a couple times.
Done a couple classes for osc that used hodags art and they're
just a joy to work with like absolutely like Hodag say what
you will about them, they're not in it for the money.
Like really they they're just happy to have their artwork
featured in something and I'm happy to like pay them whatever
they ask for their art because it just kicks so much ass.
Like every time like that aesthetic of, there's like I
thought fit perfectly with the with the bastardize caused
especially Vault of Doom, like they killed It with those
spreads. Yeah, it's amazing.
Yeah, yeah. And it kind of stick with the
art theme here, a little bit to, you know, we all we all love
bastards. You know, we're playing the
trick in here on on the stream, you know, Hunter as a bachelor's
group, you guys have put out one or two things for it, but to
just to kind of dig a little deeper into why, why bastards
like when you guys first started playing it you know is it.
The system mostly that grabbed you into bastards because it's
light and modern stuff like that or why specifically were you
like fuck? This is such a good game.
I really want to pick it up and and write content for it.
I think for me the simple dungeon a simple dungeon I saw
that I was like, that's cool. I didn't even know bastards was
a thing when I saw that dungeon. So I downloaded it.
It just kind of sat. I was like I need a quick little
one shot dungeon. I ran it and it was like four
bastards. I was like, I don't know what
that is, so I found bastards. I thought it was sick, but I
was, I was so steeped. It, I mean, I think my mouth
Schroeder campaign just finished up. 72 sessions and we switch to
bastards, but I'd written the We of the bastard stuff, I've
published before ever even playing bastards.
And so like now that I've played at some of them like oh man, I
used way too many d8s. We don't use those ambassadors
but no, I think it was how Micah has such an aesthetic about
them. Like like, it's so clean.
It's so concise for whatever reason, it just spoke to me.
I was like, this is what I want. And so, I think it was the, the
Adventure generator Jam, the, the Luther room did and so I did
a blade in the burning Peak. It's like a little six-page
dungeon but I was like, I really like this style and then John
was was putting out a sea of glass and I was like I want to
try and come back to this but then shelf tit.
And then Micah put the jam out and I was like, now's the time I
got to catch up to John because I think John posted like three
or four things right away. You were doing the manor, The
Manor and oh yeah, the most like this is so cool and then you
were posting screenshots of your layout.
I was like gosh darn it. I want to do that.
Yeah, coming back to the manor. The Manor is not been abandoned.
Yes for an update. Yes.
Yeah bastards is. I think What I thought B and D
before ever playing and date. Yes, why I've talked about this
story before my first introduction to what
role-playing games were was the episode of dextrorotatory where
they're playing, like the weird like amalgam of the Indie, you
know? and I don't know, it's just this
like This weird esoteric, like Enigma of a game where you have
to figure out how it works, as you're playing it, I love that.
I love a game, that's a puzzle. And yeah, I mean, I mean like
that best thing about bastards just like in the moment you're
like, okay, well, this is just how this is going to worry,
we're deciding right now. It's like we I mean we just talk
about this like well I think know that was on stream before
but Mike is like yeah I don't know.
Let's just go ahead and Hospital laughs.
Yeah exactly. Because what was it one of my
players. Like, they were like they
thought an owlbear and they were just like are there any eggs I
want to have a egg? And I'm just like, oh I don't
know. Spend all of your points of
luck, I guess for there to be an owlbear egg and that's so cool.
They found one and they're trying to like figure out how
they're trying to find information about how to like
have a pet owl bear and I'm just like, oh shit, I'm gonna have to
figure out. That's so cool.
How to mechanically do Yes, it's fun.
Like, as it gives you the chances of GM to play the game
as much as like, they're playing the game like I play.
Like, do they run so many like run.
So many games do so many years and I played more playing
bastards and I think I have in like most systems over time.
Yeah. That's like that's the thing
that I think really made me switch over from 5e.
Was I love world-building? I love like imagining like
Tolkien is my hero when it's like.
The silmarillion. I read it once a year because
I'm just weird. I replied what I loved about
mouth Ritter was, I was like, I'm not even going to prep, like
I've got the idea of the world but as the game master like
everything is random tables. And so like for me, I get just
as like as much excitement as the players because I'm like, I
don't know what's going to happen.
Let's find out roll the dice and it when that happens, like I
think Michael, when they were on stream episode to a trick in
swamps you You said it was like, I don't have a fortress in this
hex, keep talking. I'm going to roll one up real
quick. I was like that is the epitome
of amazing game master and also, that's the game I want to play
because I love to be a player. But I love to also facilitate
and so, yeah. I think bastards does that so
perfectly. Yeah.
You fucking hear that. Michael.
We love you. So yeah.
Yeah, fuck. You Mica.
Is it kiss you on the mouth? Yeah.
You know, that's the thing, the system wise, it's just a great
clean system. Exactly.
You guys are talking about but layout wise.
No, because the first, the first thing I really saw that was
additional content because there were two men, Travis is an
amazing book too, but at our Darkly blew me away.
First of all, the the green and purple together was just like,
super evocative. But a simple dungeon when I
first pulled that out too, like it's such a fucking awesome
layout. And then the way that like,
Little hexes and things are like it just it was so good.
And then when you see something like a tower, Darkly capture it
and then do its own thing with it.
And then now this like plethora of things that went with it, you
know. I'm it's really interesting.
I'm curious, if, if the layout was different, if it was just
like black and white text and like, columns and stuff like
that, if his much stuff like if if we would have the bastardize
classics or something like that because the the layout itself is
so evocative, Native and it's so much his style is just it's just
interesting thing about sometimes how much, not only
the, the style of the game but the game itself has influence of
people that are creating content for it.
So yeah, it's interesting that you say that because I was
pretty active and still in pretty active in the in the care
and Discord yohai is super cool like when I first got into doing
stuff for mass murder like yohai reached out it was like Hey I
can help you edit a couple things.
I was like that's super cool like a mime.
That was like you're the creator of Cairn and you reach out to me
I was like whoa. And so like you're right, I've
gone back and forth a whole bunch and in that Discord like
there's Karen conversions for a bunch of Classics and I really
wanted to do it but I just I felt and I love Karen and like I
will always love care and but it was so hard for me because I
wanted it to be perfect. And I think bastards lets you
not let it like, it doesn't have to be perfect because you just
do it. And I, so I feel like I have
more freedom with bastards that did with Karen and then playing
it. I was like, yeah, no, no joke.
I'm just going to do this forever now.
Oh yeah, yeah absolutely. Um so I'm not going to get into
fifth edition and why it sucks but I really like, you know, I
actually started my 5e no login first episode ever.
I actually have my I'm in a fifth edition game, directly
following this stream. I still play, I don't run it, I
still play it. I have a great time with my
press but here's here's the thing.
II had a similar somewhat, I guess transition, as you have
done, And it's good to hear someone who decided to try
something different and then latch on and be like, wow, like
I just like, you know, whether you know, it's fine, if people
still like that Edition, it's fine, do your thing but it's
nice that, you know, I started the 5e, I went super hard on it
and then I just for the same reasons was just like I just
want to like this is not scratching the itch for me
anymore. Like I want to do something a
little bit different and for for you too.
To say the same thing kind of where you just like, you know, I
was running it but I wanted this and you found Mouser, then you
found bastards. It's nice when you actually
because so much of the, the discourse out there is play
another game. And it's nice when you actually
meet someone who not only has played another game but like,
has latched onto these other games and created so much
amazing content for it. Do you feel like you're starting
with fifth edition and being introduced to this system?
That is so polar opposite to so much of you do now, like do you
feel like that made you latch on more to things like masseter and
bastards and change it? Or was it more just like trying
to fill like the holes and gaps if IV wasn't really like giving
you any more? I think for me it was not so
much. The filling in the gaps.
I just really wanted to World build and I felt like 5e put me
in such a box that I had to be like okay there's this there's
some sort of system for how to like test the dirt to see if I
could like just like why are there so many formulas and
systems and everything? And and so when I found
something that was like no random is cool.
Yeah that that was the Breakaway for me, I didn't I wasn't Aunt
told by the overlord you have to do it this way and II, think
dungeon craft the YouTube channel was always like you
shouldn't have to roll a dice to see if you can hit someone with
a mud leg. I mean, or have the ball or like
like, like the bartender brawler feet or whatever?
I'm just like, what is all this stuff?
I just want to play. I don't want to like study.
Yeah, you want the rules to get out of the way of you having
fun. Which like, yeah, I mean there's
like Real games. I put over time where like they
were really trying to achieve that concept like early like
years and years ago, I think I'm thinking like Cipher system
which was Monte cook which is way less rules than d and d and
to very much has to go out of your way and it's funny like
from five. Yeah, I went to Cipher and I'm
sorry for I found my way into like the 0s are in a sari Sr P.
BD a scene and yeah, I think that's like bastard is such a
great like yeah fucking sugar that it's fine.
Like you don't know, you don't go in knowing like it can be,
this can be a completely random experience and like, yeah, you
can fucking decide you're going to roll up a fortress that we
don't even get to in the end of episode.
Yeah, at least weekly glimpsed it.
We saw it. You know, that's the thing too.
It's just like, you know, 5e, there's a whole page in
beginning that says these are just rules, do whatever you
want, but then has like 200 pages of like very specific
rules and someone on Saturday, telling you exactly how to run
it all the time. You know?
And like the way a game is written is it's kind of like do
as I say not as I do, you know what I mean?
Like, the way a game is written is going to encourage the way
that the game is gonna be played.
Regardless of, if you put, like a one-line disclaimer, in the
beginning, right? So, like, no matter how much you
say, oh, just do whatever you want in 5th edition.
It's still going to be fit addition or Cipher, or whatever
the game is, you know? And, and there's a lot of us are
games that are that try to like, get out of the way, but one of
the things I really love. It's about bastards is that
there is that disclaimer, like, do whatever you want, I believe
in you, but the rules just get out of the way to the point
where look we've talked about it, might give a literally this
be, like, I don't remember to do this, like, it doesn't matter
like, you know, there is enough of a structure there that it
whatever you decide to do. You can just keep moving forward
and games at like that are like that are, it's at least where
I'm at, you know, in my table top stuff.
I don't want to sit and read the 600-page book.
I will for the stream. I'm not going to run it, you
know. So bastards feels like Pete
600-page books on this track is that we're never coming back.
We got water to. We got to like kind of flip
through but broke but yeah. Probably you know, that's I mean
and that's what it kind of feels like the consensus here.
Mon monk syrup is exactly. I system that gets out of the
way and a style that really like, encourages this amazing
content that you guys are doing. So, it's absolutely fantastic to
see. I'm really excited for what goes
forward. I hope there's more Davison
Morris stuff in, you know, and vaulted.
Doom was the is out right now, you know, it's each funding
right now, is there, when is there?
Is that gonna is there a chance? It's getting into.
Yeah. So the order was placed earlier
this week for a print run and Jared at spear which is already
told me how many they want and we're expecting it to sell out
and so yeah, hopefully soon I think it ships for mix-ins
warehouse on the 23rd. So that's this week.
And so, yeah, that's pretty cool and it should be arriving pretty
close to the time. My brother-in-law does some did
some dungeon synth in his free time and he is going to be
sending me audio files of an accompanying soundtrack to go
along the game. Specifically tailored to Vault
of Doom one, that's going to be tailored to Vault of or peak of
waffle. And then in the future, they
love Stars. It's and Cave a fiend.
So there's going to be a whole playlist, I think Micah put it
on the bastards page. This game is meant to be played
with this kind of music and so we've got custom Davis and
Morris themed dungeon synth, is there a, is there any
possibility some time in the future of, you know, maybe some
tapes that I can keep collecting for a tape player?
I don't have yet. Oh, that would be cool.
John and I kind of tossed. The idea around about in the
summer maybe like doing a deluxe release of all four of them.
My other brother in law is currently he just, I wish I had
the pictures to show you guys. It's in the mail right now but
it is a dungeon master screen for bastards but it is hollowed
so that when it folds it'll hold it'll hold a total of I think 14
A6 about this size. In it it clasps and everything
and so maybe have him make a box and get some cassettes.
We could do some kind of cool. No promises.
But the concept will all be together talking.
You're talking now to the two people that like, would actually
just be guaranteed to buy it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
Because well, if, if one shows up on your doorstep, just you
never know. We might just say, we love you
guys, I would be version. Yeah, I mean it, listen, I
again, I can't tell you how excited I am for this, every
aspect of it. I mean, You guys just make
amazing content, John you've come on the show and killed us.
I'm never going to not say that, but, you know, Helm is amazing.
All the stuff that you've created, you know, it's just,
it's really awesome to, in this space, find a Creator who makes
amazing stuff get to meet that crater and find out there just
as much of an amazing person and then just be able to be a fan of
a friend for a long time. And that's one of my favorite
things about this show that we found.
And, you know, Matt, this is our first time meeting you, but you
seem like an awesome guy stuff. I'm super excited to get more of
it going forward. So well.
Hey if you ever want to play a mouse that gets killed by a blue
jay, I know a guy who runs Mouse Ritter.
Yeah, we definitely. Yeah.
I actually 100% do on, did I solve their played Notch further
same, and I grew up reading redwall Series.
So yes, like I'm like, yeah, fucking listen.
I'm super down to be a mouse. All right, it's gonna happen.
I hope that you both keep work together because I'm For
enjoying the content you guys, you're like I hate to very great
team of but I would love to see you guys.
Make some make something for Helm.
Yeah, reason I really do like Helm and I think it's like a
really interesting comment system and I would love to
revisit a Helm, Helm will come back with a vengeance.
I swear it and it, you know, if Matt's down I'm down.
So, oh yeah. Oh yeah, that would be fun and
be a little more gritty. Little more, you know, realism,
you know, so, You'll have to come back on.
We'll have to try to survive this time and and and see what
happened. You know, it's interesting too
because you know, after you killed us in 17th century
minimalist, I we had to go review 17th century minimalist,
so you know, that triggered that trigger that episode, which is
really, really fun. It's a great little system.
I'm glad that you I hadn't even heard of it until you introduced
us to the the adventure packs for, for that.
And then of course, I had to go try to find a very expensive,
copy somewhere and now I own it. So you know what?
You've only found it. Oh yeah, I did.
Yeah, I've been searching Andre is so cool.
Like the dudes are games omnivorous.
That I came as awesome and I've never been able to find a copy.
It's always, there is a single one in the world.
That is for sale, right? I'll find it.
So, you get the adventure collection along with it.
I did. Yeah, older and everything.
Oh, it's so pretty. It's great.
Yeah. So you know that was I was just
you know, one of the great things to come out of home
except the sides, you know, are T PK, which it was amazing.
I can't I can't even like that was such a fun experience to get
just absolutely get our ass kicked.
And the system itself is so much fun to run like I want to play
it again even just for just like not, I will, I will succeed this
time, you know, kind of thing. So it's it's great, you know.
I again I mean we've said a bunch of Havoc so excited for
both. You guys content to keep coming
out and keep dropping and and Very Stoke to play it.
Both of you guys are open invite any time.
You fucking want to come on and run anything.
So, you know, just she just a message.
I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah.
I'd be more than happy to be awesome if John runs vaulted.
Umm, can I get killed in it? Can I come on and just play as
the best for the dies? Absolutely.
All, yeah, I'll just make you an MPC and ensure that your killed
nice. Yeah, nice.
Now we could. Figure something.
We'll switch it up to like a, for Player 1 and John, Candice
murder for people this time instead of three.
So nice, second highest highest kill count on the stream right
now is John Davis oldest continuing on, I, you know, it
great. That would how absolutely
suicidal I play every table. Top game ever that no one's been
successful. Yeah, Mike man waiting we went
after a fire with my bare hands you know it's funny because
rocks oh yeah it's funny because I'm actually Kind of a teddy
bear. When it comes to my home games,
I don't kill people by period, like almost never.
And then I guess that was just a fluke or something because I get
it. I listen, I don't kill my
players, they killed themselves, you know?
Yeah. Awesome.
Um so these are out right now. Obviously, you know it was it
was it? I mean it's still technically
it's funding right? But you've Pastor its funding
goal. Yeah oh yeah yeah definitely and
then that pretty much just going to keep funding like the later
bastard stuff to write like it's all just gonna know pay itself
forward. Yeah.
But I was going to say, yeah, it was going to do.
We've got more artists that were like, this is super dope.
I've got a similar aesthetic, maybe I could slap a piece of
their perfect perplexing. Ruins has really like got the
bastard itch and is producing stuff in reached out to me was
like, hey, I know you're doing more down the road, would you be
okay if I did something for it? I was like, yeah, and reach out
to John. John was like, yeah, for sure,
why not? Let's drink fluids in there.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh yeah. I said, they're mine.
I know you said, you, you got years already.
So, I assume on a come tomorrow but we'll see.
But um, but where, where can people get this out?
Because you said, Paul today was going to be rich but where can
people get the digital copy that right now?
That is at going to pull up the link.
No creative separate addresses. No, it's so, so consistently
true. No Creator knows their own Edge.
I had it. I had it right in front of me
and then I switched to a different tab.
So now I have to go through six pages to get back to it, but no,
it's a civet sanctum dot itch.io /, bastardized classics.
And that's where and in the Civic sanctum you know it's a
logo next to me it's funny because I'm an idiot because I
remember on the first the first time we had you on the show, I
was like where's the same as saying them come from it's just
like it's just my last name backwards.
I was like, oh my gosh. So whoa.
Did that just it's just click those like what?
Not the only one. Yeah, it's like, is it somewhat
cool character? For one of the things that I
think in In the actual truecrypt you reference civet The Seer and
I was like I got to know more but I don't know how to ask.
It's just your net come on that's awesome.
Oh yeah I do the do the the classic thing of if you need a
wizard just spell your name backwards you know that?
I love it and in Mana ramp Matt I'm a Hunter references, the
beginning of the stream but I didn't really know what What is
Manner? Where did, man?
Our ramp Matt come from. Yeah.
You know, I used to play Magic the Gathering and I really love
it, kind of stopped playing it when covid hit but I was making
proxies for Commander in like Cube which are just two
different formats for Magic. The Gathering and my friends
were like, hey, you need to like come up with a name and I was
like, I play Green cards, they man or a.
I'm man around Matt Productions. And then when I did my First RPG
thing. I was like, I, everyone else has
a company name. I'm going to use that one.
It has nothing to do with RPGs. It actually is kind of confusing
potentially and so I'm getting an overhaul currently being
worked on. I think Tony Tony made a post a
year or two ago about like rebranding and how important
that is. And so I'm officially rebranding
and it's going to be way. Cool cool.
But yeah, Melissa To play Magic, the Gathering.
I still do but I used to as well.
Yeah, so I respect that. Yeah, it's a So we found we all
just like he loves him. So John are we on 7 sanctum here
you can find all about yourself on Spirits.
Matt where can we find all of your content Mouse rotor and
bastards and like all the stuff he done?
Yeah. So I'm on itch at Mana ramp,
Matt dot itch.io, I've got all my bastard stuff.
All my master stuff did an official adventure for liminal
horror. It's up there.
That was a super cool little Group we got together and also I
think there's a link on my itch to a big bastards bundle that
you can buy the bundle, get everything John and I have made
pretty much for bastards and also helps support vaults of
Doom and so that one that one exploded, it was cool.
Yeah, just get the bundle. It's a much better deal.
Like you'll get so much more content and you'll also be
supporting the the bastardized classics.
So just get the bundle. Yeah.
I mean I got the bundle. I have like almost everything
but like I got the bundle anyway because I think is you have like
your solo rules and stuff in there too.
Right. Is that does that in a bottle?
Yeah. No I think I think I added the
solo. I can't remember if I added the
solo rules to it. I made a dungeon master screen
and it came with like two little supplements.
Micah said yeah just take the text slap it in there I think I
put that in there. I should throw the solo rules
and their though if they're not that they're free on my each
page so I can just add them. But they're in Prince and spear,
which is going to pick those up in about a week or two.
So amazing. I'm I constantly try to save
money and then like every other week, you know, jarrod's just
like, here's another one. Here's another one.
Here's know what I'm like. Can you just like keep all of
them till the end of the month? So I can buy for at one time and
pay shipping once because I can't not bite the second, I get
the email but you know, here we are.
There's a wedding recipe book my home.
Yeah don't even get me started about.
It's right up its recipe or somewhere.
Yeah it's fantastic. So guys It is been so amazing
having booked you guys on seriously please come back
anytime you know kill us or not. I either way we'd love to see
both of you again very excited for all of these classes to drop
for the rest of the year. And yeah really really
appreciate being here. Thank you so much.
Thanks to be back. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Great. To have both, you spend a lot
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