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Hello, and welcome to the 
weekly. 

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Scroll podcast brought to you by
the adventure. 

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Archive, my name is Ryan and I'm
of the jeweled spider in her 

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Stone web, beautiful, wonderful.
Really, with us today, we got a 

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couple of special guests here. 
We got Josh, John Davis and Matt

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Morris. 
Are you guys doing today? 

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Hello wow. 
Doing well so uh so what so who 

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the heck are you? 
Good? 

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You got this. 
Yeah. 

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Why what brings you to our show 
today? 

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Oh, I'm some nobody, I guess. 
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there who know me, they probably
know me from in the light of the

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Setting Sun wild blue yonder or 
Helm in. 

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Allure. 
Yeah, and I'm just some dude who

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stumble across cool. 
Old-school games 5e was all I'd 

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ever done. 
And I played a lot with little 

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mice and mouse Ritter and then I
stumbled across bastards and the

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rest is history as we all do. 
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So, um, so talking about some of
this stuff. 

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So today, today, the plan is to 
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us to get there. 
Maybe talk about the Bastardized

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Classics prior to that though. 
You know, John you're old news, 

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we've had you on the show a 
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you kill us, you know, you're 
you're officially part of the 

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show but Matt as you said before
you you are a big mouse Ritter 

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guy for a long time, you just 
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with that too. 
I think right before stream you 

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said you had like 40 supplements
written form Twitter. 

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Yeah, it was, it was a funny, 
funny season. 

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I was making proxies for Magic 
the Gathering then covid hit. 

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And so, my D&D group, moved to 
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going to see if there's a 
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stumbled across the osr, then 
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all in early twenty, twenty 
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And here's the honest story, I 
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wasn't 5e and that was all I 
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I'm sorry. 
I put it on the PDF file on my 

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computer and then one afternoon 
I was watching, I've got birds 

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out my backyard and there was 
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around in a scrub. 
Jay dive-bomb, the field mouse 

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threw it up in the air and then 
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horrific and I was like, wait, 
there's a game where you could 

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be an adventure like and I was 
like, I was like, I know I have 

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a game. 
So I searched like Mouse on my 

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computer and because my friend 
is written in German, it didn't 

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find it. 
And I was like, where is this 

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game? 
And then I found it and I was 

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like I need birds and mouth 
Shredder so I created a 

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supplement in like September of 
2020 and that started a very in 

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addiction that is still very 
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Nice. 
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And that actually led to not 
only like I so I burn pile. 

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The yay. 
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But also we have little up 
Hootie. 

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Ian. 
Yeah, Lilliputian. 

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If so, there we go. 
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What is it called? 
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He travels to the island of 
Lilliput where everyone's like 6

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inches tall, and Isaac Williams,
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Router has a little table, like 
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where it's like you stumble, 
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And I was like, yes and I want 
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be as tall as mice. 
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Ritter Karen together, but it's 
going to be sailing and that's a

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little patience. 
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So I'm using I'm using a bunch 
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I'm like scale everything 1216 
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And now you can run Karen with 
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use it to the odd. 
We want you got enough like you 

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got enough stuff on the back 
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You got, you got caring, you got
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the odd? 
You gotta go. 

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It's all stacked it because 
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for me was actually this was 
carrying sand on crog's, which 

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is a chemical. 
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Oh yeah. 
I've got the one printed on gold

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paper. 
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This is my cool one, but that 
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I mean anyone that touches his 
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LFO us our paper from Leo, their
number one, and number two, oh 

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yum. 
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to pull master and Karen. 
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reread it, I was getting kind of
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Essentials seems yeah. 
I know, right. 

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Oh, old school essential. 
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but I came to RPGs in like 2016 
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and so I had no history of old 
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all that stuff was a little too 
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was so streamlined found out it 
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And I'm kind of one of those I 
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So I was like anything that's 
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I'm going to get it. 
I'm going to run it. 

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I got a whole I think they're on
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the odd games, I even wrote A 
supplement that you can pretty 

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much be Doctor Who jumping from 
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forth. 
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Nave and Karen the other day or 
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Yeah. 
But I like it, it's simple three

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stats. 
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Was into the odd hack when I 
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sweet. 
I'm going to add this to the 

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collection and that was, that 
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Nice. 
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odd fan so I I respect I respect
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I'm not sure what you've done, 
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there's some, there's some 
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I explained it to my group I 
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old-school Essentials light it's
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Yeah. 
Totally crunchy Karen with a 

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little with a little Louis, our 
Twist on the top, I wrought with

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a little obviously chose on the 
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I think that's a good example of
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A good explanation from it. 
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did I spell your name wrong to I
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it here. 
So obviously, you know, you're 

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one of the, the homies, huge 
huge for the show, answer for 

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those that for those that 
haven't for those that remember 

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how to spell your name 
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have you on that, know what 
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And for those that haven't 
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First of all, Watch the episodes
we went over Helmand home, has 

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an absolutely fantastic game. 
We played how my got our asses 

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fucking handed to us talk about 
Some of your games a little bit,

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you know. 
Because I do have I do have a 

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stack here because, you know 
completionist, I don't know what

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you mean, man. 
I have no idea. 

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Exactly up and be like hey do 
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these like super rare and he's 
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You didn't sign it for me but 
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talk about some of the stuff 
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here between from wild blue 
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little bit and and what 
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and best-dressed Classics. 
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another step and why my journey 
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Like I kind of just go where my 
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You know, that's that's kind of 
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But yeah, but I don't know. 
Lock In light of the Setting Sun

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was just my like attempt to fill
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community that I didn't see a 
good Western game like in the 

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tabletop space. 
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light sort of Western game. 
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and then wild blue yonder. 
I have, I live near Appalachia? 

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I've been in Appalachia all my 
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Strong setting for Appalachia, 
you know, 40s like you know Matt

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you mentioned osei. 
Like I didn't grow up old school

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either but I don't know 
something about osc, just 

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clicked with me and then like 
Helm. 

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No. 
I just like guys swinging swords

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around. 
That's that's really it. 

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Like at the end of the day 
fantasy for me is just A dude, 

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we're and plate. 
Male bashing you with a mace 

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over the head. 
Like, and that's I'm set, you 

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know, so that's what's up. 
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poetically about like design or 
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that. 
So really it's just what I have 

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fun with. 
And what I want to do with this 

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space. 
Very cool. 

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And I've personally, gone 
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at our Darkly. 
I've played one of your bastards

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supplements and, yeah, I, you 
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fan. 
So I'd love to hear how they 

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ended up to, by the way. 
Why my players are sociopaths, 

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that's how it ended up there. 
So yeah, there are bastards 

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group. 
Yeah, they're bastards group. 

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They hire the guy who was a 
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you know, punch the who's at the
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tower to death which at least 
got guy and they left to die 

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with a ghoul. 
So you know, just typical just 

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typical bastard stuff. 
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Yes that sounds about right. 
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They recovered. 
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Duncan you know we're monster is
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They did they Redemption their 
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The tower - yeah, classic 
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Yeah I am. 
I'm ready to ask about what 

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we're going to end up asking 
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Do you have something? 
You know, that's that's II. 

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That's what I had I really 
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little bit about the what led us
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Yeah so go off King the 
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X is a collection of revisits to
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made an updated for bastards, 
what led to this West Broadway? 

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Say what was the impetus? 
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this project obviously, and I've
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Doom, or read through it, but 
what ledge all here? 

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Well, I think I think Matt 
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collab is where it began and 
initially I, I knew it one time,

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I knew that I wanted it to be 
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I knew that much just because I 
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bastards up to that point. 
I had I think at our Darkly is 

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like the first third-party 
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Like it's not the first 
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bastards. 
I think thrift answer has me 

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with that incantations but I 
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Adventure. 
Yeah, incantations, but I knew I

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wanted to the collab to be for 
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And initially, it was going to 
be a funnel Adventure called in 

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the court of the Crimson King, 
which was originally for Helm, 

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but I scrapped it could, as was 
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and then I don't know, I think I
was work on stuff for my home 

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group. 
Like, I think I was converting, 

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keep on the Borderlands 2 
bastards and I was just showing 

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notes to Matt and I think it 
just clicked with the two of us 

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like, oh, we should we should 
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for our collab. 
Yeah, it was, it came out of 

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nowhere. 
It was in the middle of that the

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bastards jam and we were all 
like, I don't know. 

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John, you were putting out like 
one or two a week. 

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I was putting out one or two or 
a week, you know. 

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Just like a lot of that jam. 
I do remember watching that both

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doll I just like she'll stuff 
out for it. 

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Yeah and it was it was just like
I think you post a picture to 

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Twitter of the cover of what is 
it dungeons of dread and you'd 

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like written in with pain 
bastardize and I was like that 

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is so Savage. 
Like we should just do those. 

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Yes yes. 
And And so at the, I guess the 

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rest is kind of History. 
John hit me up. 

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I said, oh, that's cool. 
Two more Horrors. 

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Has that that head with the 
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Let me see if I can throw 
something together with some 

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public domain art created. 
This little cover right here and

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was like, this is cool. 
Could we do something like this?

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then you're like, well, I'm kind
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I was like, let's do all three. 
I'll and so I threw a bunch of 

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You threw some maps my way and 

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yeah it kind of spiraled from 
there spiral upward right? 

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Because it's a good thing. 
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for it. 
I think the art and the covers 

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is like the cover it now. 
So fantastic. 

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Laughs I'm slots for hard. 
It really is a great way to pull

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people in real quickly like look
how clean is cover it looks so. 

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Um, what what made you guys 
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S2 S3 and S4 for this, like 
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some other of the classics 
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But why these four specifically 
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I don't know. 
Matt, was there really any like 

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this place? 
Yeah. 

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So to be honest before, John 
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dungeons of dread or the inside 
cover Wade, read that. 

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I'm that guy who didn't actually
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even existed I'd seen tomb of 
whores. 

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But again, I had only ever seen 
the 5e conversion. 

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It's so I like got it in red. 
It was like, this is super sick 

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and and John had suggested doing
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I red, white blue mountain, I 
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thing ever, who puts a room with
like, a floating water, that 

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goes around and you have to 
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dungeon, but only to get 
ambushed. 

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And then escaped. 
I was like, yes. 

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I want this in every game. 
So yeah, there wasn't a question

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whether or not we should do 
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yes these these are the ones. 
Yeah. 

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There there's a reason that 
they're like iconic and they 

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like Classics. 
Yeah the classics. 

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You know it's like they were the
first ones to do it. 

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Like they were the original. 
Oh geez. 

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Like to mijares was the first 
death trap dungeon I believe. 

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But there is a reason that 
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there. 
Yeah they've got this Mystique 

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about them. 
You know like people. 

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Here about tomb of Horrors and 
they like get this like thousand

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yard stare on their face, you 
know? 

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Because they know no God no I'm 
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but you know, it was such a good
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other thing with the with what 
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baptized Classics is making 
different varieties of each of 

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the The Zane's that are coming 
out for it. 

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So, like all the Doom is a 
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adventure, I think they all 
stars is an adventure cave. 

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The theme to the heck scroll, 
that's coming out for it. 

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So you're doing a lot of 
different styles of play for 

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each different one and off like 
turning Vault of Doom into a 

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funnel is such a good. 
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I first saw that I was like, oh 
that's literally fucking peanut 

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butter and jelly like that's 
exactly what it should be. 

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What made you guys did you guys 
actively fuse to be like okay 

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well we want to do a funnel. 
Lund Adventure, a hex crawl 

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ascetic piece like we want to 
split up the variety or did it 

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just like these ones we want to 
do? 

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And this is what it feels, like 
it should be turned into. 

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John take it away like from my 
editor just felt like it was it 

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naturally flowed that way but 
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with with with this part of it, 
it was mostly I guess it was 

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mostly just wanting to cover all
of our bases, you know? 

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Because we were already making 
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So that's a type of Adventure 
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its own contain dungeon. 
So yeah, that's an adventure 

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too, but Like expedition to the 
barrier Peaks and the lost 

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caverns of such can't are so 
massive that I could not rightly

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call them, just Adventures by 
themselves. 

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I think expedition to the 
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dungeon levels that are all like
multiple miles wide, you know? 

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So like that's just a setting, 
right? 

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There. 
Yeah. 

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That's that's like a Countryside
and then lost Captain caverns of

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such. 
Can I thought about it? 

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And was like, it would be a lot 
easier just to make this a hex 

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crawl personally. 
So it was a no-brainer for me, 

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at least. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Very cool. 
So you guys already reimagined a

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couple of these, I think we 
touched on a little bit. 

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There is the I just got in the 
mail, I think, yesterday from 

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spear, which in pursuit of what 
is hidden, which is the B1. 

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Yeah, there we go. 
And then you also already did 

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bashing on the frontier. 
So in Pursuit, is that, that is 

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a minaret map production, right?
Is that Yeah, I'm at all Matt. 

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I think I was sitting in the 
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like, sketching out a map. 
I texted it to John was like, 

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hey, I think I'm going to try 
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it was like three or four days 
and I slapped a map together and

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then was inspired by both Micah 
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And so like evocative and 
concise as like, I'm gonna try 

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that and it took a lot of 
head-banging because I'm not a 

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good writer at all or at least 
this was a good practice that is

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helping me grow but I think it 
turned out Yeah, it's great. 

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I am you know, it fit right in 
on the Shelf with all the rest 

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of the little books covers 
fantastic. 

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Um but but Bastion on the 
frontier is that the first? 

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Because cover says Davis 
Anderson Morris and Dom I'm 

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going to say it wrong. 
Doesn't she know? 

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The matcha Know, da macedo? 
I don't know. 

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Yeah, never heard it said out 
loud. 

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Yeah, Alex cool. 
That's what I though was that 

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was that the first time that you
guys? 

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Guys, actually put something out
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eventually be? 
Like, the Morrison Davis 

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Classics? 
That's one that kind of like, 

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triggered it going forward. 
Yeah, it was, I think, John, you

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sent me a picture of the map 
that you had done, which is 

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beautiful layout in there and I 
was like, oh, that's sick. 

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I'm going to do it for my home, 
game 2 and then I remembered 

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Alex had put out when when he 
did beyond the Borderlands he 

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put out like a little Pocket. 
Mod for free on his itch page. 

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It was like a two-sentence 
description of each room and I 

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was like that's perfect for a a 
six size e'en. 

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So I reached out Some he'd done 
some work with me before on 

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Mouse Trader and I was like, 
hey, can we borrow this and 

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change? 
The stats? 

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Just a little bit. 
He's like free rein. 

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Take it. 
You don't need to credit me and 

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I was like, well, that's crazy. 
I'm going to cry to you. 

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And so then Micah Micah had 
written something for the jam. 

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It was brigands, rest. 
I think and it felt like it fit 

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in the, in the little region. 
So I reached out to Mike and 

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said, hey, could we just like 
reproduce this in there? 

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I am, I goes like go for it and 
so then I don't know. 

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I think think I started it, 
December 23rd. 

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My in-laws got in on December 
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I put it up on edge on, like, 
December 27th. 

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It was my little Christmas break
project in the free time. 

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Nice. 
Yeah. 

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But it was the map, it was the 
map that did it all and I 

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wouldn't have even thought about
doing it without the map. 

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Yeah, it was almost a 
proof-of-concept more or less 

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because I think we had already 
started off. 

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Like the astronauts Classics had
already like formed in our minds

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by that point. 
Yeah. 

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This is almost like, okay, let's
let's maybe put this out and see

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if people actually like latch 
onto it. 

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And, you know, it seems that 
like people really enjoy it so 

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that it's sold out at spear 
which like in a couple hours and

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Jared just received a package 
today with 30 more copies. 

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So I don't know when they're 
going live on spear which but 

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there will be more copies 
available the mother bastards 

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every month. 
Yeah, nothing. 

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I said I think I might be up 
right now on spear with but if 

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you're wrong. 
So I have a, I have a tangential

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question because the first time 
I ever saw this term tweeted was

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actually by John ASR the after 
school. 

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Was it Renaissance a revolution?
I can't enroll as thing but I 

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think that all is 
interchangeable personal. 

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Yeah, so the Rebellion know so 
so the after-school Rebellion 

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the after-school Renaissance 
Revolution. 

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So like how is that what is this
distinction between that and 

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like OS RNs are? 
you know, I think everyone has 

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their own take on it but I 
think, you know, it's rules 

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light but not trying to couch it
in this like Well, meaning like 

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why? 
Like I totally get why they nsrs

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the thing, I totally understand,
but they kind of like have their

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noses upturned at like, osr as a
term. 

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You know, it's like we're better
because we're the ns are where 

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the cool kids and like I think a
our reaction to that personally.

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Lie because they're pretty 
interchangeable as follow, as 

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far as their design, ethos is 
go, you know, rules light games.

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Yeah, like like Mica said in 
chat, at least the asrs motto 

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is, I believe in you like it, 
trusts, it trusts the reader to 

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take what is given and make 
something out of it. 

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We don't need like Pages upon 
Pages. 

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Like, in paragraphs explaining 
to you how you're supposed to 

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use these rules, you know? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Yeah. 
I thought about it, I think, is 

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it Chris from loot? 
The room had wrote a A blog post

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on it and I haven't even read 
that. 

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I just heard John use it. 
I think I heard Micah use it. 

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I was like, yeah, that's it. 
What it like brought to mind to 

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me was like, if I was 14 going 
to school and I was waiting for 

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the bus. 
I want something I can just whip

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out of my pocket. 
And like, hey, let's roll up a 

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character in 30 seconds, and 
let's play an adventure before 

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the bus gets here. 
And if we ride the same bus, 

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we're rolling dice on the 
leather seats of the bus. 

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And so to me, it was just like 
something that That I could 

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imagine the kids from that TV 
show recess. 

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Like just pull like a tiny 
little magazine out of their 

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pocket. 
Be like we're playing D&D but 

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it's not 30 books and giant 
table with Miniatures. 

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So I don't know if that's just 
what my mind had. 

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Cool their respect. 
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think, 

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the first, the frightening, the 
first time I saw it was actually

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Chris from Luther room. 
I think they even have it on 

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like a t-shirt or something too.
But, you know, I like the ethos 

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behind it. 
You know, we've talked about 

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sometimes, little bit with 0s 
are the ns are I don't know if 

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we talked about it a ton on 
stream, but I've talked to 

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people that have created stuff 
for both and it's like, I'm 

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Louis, are had a very like I 
feel like it had a very good 

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purpose and meaning it came out 
but there's this like, weird 

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dichotomy where it's like, it's 
not really osr. 

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If it's not just a BX like you 
know, remake or something and 

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then there's other people are 
like, well it's osr but it's 

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just, you know, modernize rule 
sets and nsrs just like we're 

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like the osr but without like 
the white supremacy and then 

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Then you know the then we have 
the ASR so who gives like it's 

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whatever whatever people want to
call stuff in the future it'll 

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be interesting when TT RPG 
people in the future talk about 

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the past and stuff, you know, 
the post post post PV Tas and Os

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ours and nsrs and like all the 
rest of the stuff on what they 

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actually talked about for this 
era regardless. 

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So I think, I think the, what I 
find a lot of the core ethos of 

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All of the ours tends to be is 
that 5e does not do a good way 

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of writing Adventures or playing
games. 

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So a lot of people wanted to go 
back to like here's more of, I 

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think it's more of that, like, I
believe in you thing or just 

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like here, like, here's a world 
do stuff in it. 

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Not the world revolves around. 
You is kind of where I find the 

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cord to be the world's not 
balance to you, you exist, in a 

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world that turns without you. 
So whatever people want to call 

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that, that's How it? 
That's how it kind of feels me. 

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I don't know if it feels the 
same to you guys. 

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For sure it. 
I will just say this that host 

442
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:11,600
os are the POS are. 
That's the posers that's posers.

443
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:18,800
What they are living at now is 
ours. 

444
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,900
Now our time. 
This is our time down here. 

445
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:27,600
Yeah. 
It's there to see The Goonies 

446
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,100
The. 
Goonies lived. 

447
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:31,300
The ASR aesthetic that, I mean, 
that was then. 

448
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:34,200
It's the most ASR thing ever. 
Yes, yes. 

449
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:35,700
Listen. 
The batch size Classics. 

450
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:38,900
Obviously already a Smash Hit. 
The were all in love with and 

451
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:46,000
Your Darlings of the Indie, ASR 
nsrs our community like future 

452
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,800
forward looking. 
Like what are you guys doing? 

453
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,000
What are you guys doing next? 
Like are you gonna continue on 

454
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,800
this like exploration of like 
bastards and like bastard 

455
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,900
supplements or like give other 
thing coming out for your own 

456
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,700
like favorite systems? 
I mean, you know, John you have 

457
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:05,200
helm And Mathieu you have 
everything apparently he knows 

458
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:07,800
she's like making complement 
controversial thing. 

459
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,900
Like what y'all I see yourself 
doing forward looking Well I've 

460
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:18,100
got I've got a huge, we did a 
mouse trigger Jam. 

461
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:24,200
I think it was back last year in
May and we put together a mega 

462
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,200
dungeon that's got like 300 
something rooms in it and we 

463
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,200
just slapped everyone's PDF. 
I gave like a PDF template. 

464
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,900
We slap them all together, it 
looked really good and there was

465
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:36,800
like, some movement of people 
like, hey, are we going to 

466
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,500
publish this print this? 
And I was like, that's a huge 

467
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:45,200
document. 
But I've talked with Tony from 

468
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,000
plus 1 to XP and we've kind of 
worked out. 

469
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Something we're going to do a B5
size book. 

470
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,400
Reached out to Bruno, Pro Saco 
from Brazil. 

471
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,500
He's doing the the cover 
artwork. 

472
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,000
Shoot, there's a bunch of 
artists that have worked on some

473
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,900
mouse Razer stuff with me that 
are going to do art. 

474
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,200
And then I asked all the people 
who submitted to the jam, hey, 

475
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,100
send me all just like your plain
text file, format it all. 

476
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,300
So it looks like it's the same 
document. 

477
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:10,200
I think it's gonna be like, a 
200-page mouse. 

478
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Ritter dungeon that could 
literally With the amount of 

479
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,200
rooms you could run probably two
or three generations of mice 

480
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,100
through it before you got to the
end of it. 

481
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:23,800
So it could be an entire 425 
year-long campaign and just one 

482
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,100
dungeon. 
So that's that's going to be 

483
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,000
first part of end of spring 
first, part of Summer, but I'm 

484
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,900
planning to probably put out a 
bastards thing once a month, as,

485
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,800
as long as I can. 
Hell, yeah, cool. 

486
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,400
I look forward to being 
inundated with bastards content 

487
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,900
but you John, Yeah, same thing 
going to still be putting out 

488
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,600
bastard stuff. 
I don't know about you Matt but 

489
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,800
I have my eye on ravenloft next.
After I do what I think I'm 

490
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,500
gonna do eyelid red, so maybe 
we'll do best as classic 2.0 and

491
00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:59,500
the mom would read. 
Yeah, okay. 

492
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:07,500
And then, you know, I'm actually
going hard on a, we deal in lead

493
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,900
after we're done the 
vascularized classics, like I 

494
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:12,700
don't know. 
That's one game that I'm 

495
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:15,400
looking. 
That's just like man this really

496
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,300
needs some content. 
Yeah like my card since you can 

497
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:22,800
game small little plug. 
I made a thing called we deal in

498
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,400
Pips and it's a mouse Ritter we 
deal in lead crossover so you 

499
00:31:27,408 --> 00:31:31,300
can be a mouse that goes through
the void into like the wild west

500
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,800
or you can be a gunslinger that 
ends up on another world that's 

501
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,100
like a mouse size world. 
So that's upon it for free, it's

502
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:47,900
up to you. 
I did want to ask a little bit 

503
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:50,600
about the bachelor stuff to and 
about the bass just classic. 

504
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,000
You know. 
One of the things we do judge 

505
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,500
here or raped or whatever review
on the show is the art and style

506
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:01,900
of of ziens. 
So with that you have great 

507
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:07,100
artist associate with the 
Prodigy of Hodag, what, how did 

508
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,100
you just reach out and be like, 
hey we like your stuff is like 

509
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:12,200
the perfect Vibe for what we're 
doing. 

510
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,600
We love to do some Pieces or or 
what? 

511
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:18,500
What got him or them tight onto 
the project with you? 

512
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,700
You know, I guess I'll talk. 
I'm the one communicating with 

513
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:29,700
Hodag and like I had worked with
them previously a couple times. 

514
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,300
Done a couple classes for osc 
that used hodags art and they're

515
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:41,800
just a joy to work with like 
absolutely like Hodag say what 

516
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,800
you will about them, they're not
in it for the money. 

517
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,400
Like really they they're just 
happy to have their artwork 

518
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:54,900
featured in something and I'm 
happy to like pay them whatever 

519
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:58,500
they ask for their art because 
it just kicks so much ass. 

520
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:03,200
Like every time like that 
aesthetic of, there's like I 

521
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,000
thought fit perfectly with the 
with the bastardize caused 

522
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,100
especially Vault of Doom, like 
they killed It with those 

523
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:12,400
spreads. 
Yeah, it's amazing. 

524
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Yeah, yeah. 
And it kind of stick with the 

525
00:33:17,008 --> 00:33:20,600
art theme here, a little bit to,
you know, we all we all love 

526
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,300
bastards. 
You know, we're playing the 

527
00:33:22,308 --> 00:33:25,400
trick in here on on the stream, 
you know, Hunter as a bachelor's

528
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,400
group, you guys have put out one
or two things for it, but to 

529
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:35,000
just to kind of dig a little 
deeper into why, why bastards 

530
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,100
like when you guys first started
playing it you know is it. 

531
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:43,500
The system mostly that grabbed 
you into bastards because it's 

532
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:46,200
light and modern stuff like that
or why specifically were you 

533
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,700
like fuck? 
This is such a good game. 

534
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:50,300
I really want to pick it up and 
and write content for it. 

535
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:56,700
I think for me the simple 
dungeon a simple dungeon I saw 

536
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:59,300
that I was like, that's cool. 
I didn't even know bastards was 

537
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:02,100
a thing when I saw that dungeon.
So I downloaded it. 

538
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,000
It just kind of sat. 
I was like I need a quick little

539
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
one shot dungeon. 
I ran it and it was like four 

540
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,100
bastards. 
I was like, I don't know what 

541
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:10,699
that is, so I found bastards. 
I thought it was sick, but I 

542
00:34:10,707 --> 00:34:13,100
was, I was so steeped. 
It, I mean, I think my mouth 

543
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:18,100
Schroeder campaign just finished
up. 72 sessions and we switch to

544
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:22,300
bastards, but I'd written the We
of the bastard stuff, I've 

545
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:24,600
published before ever even 
playing bastards. 

546
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,199
And so like now that I've played
at some of them like oh man, I 

547
00:34:28,207 --> 00:34:31,000
used way too many d8s. 
We don't use those ambassadors 

548
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,400
but no, I think it was how Micah
has such an aesthetic about 

549
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,300
them. 
Like like, it's so clean. 

550
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:44,800
It's so concise for whatever 
reason, it just spoke to me. 

551
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,400
I was like, this is what I want.
And so, I think it was the, the 

552
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,900
Adventure generator Jam, the, 
the Luther room did and so I did

553
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:59,600
a blade in the burning Peak. 
It's like a little six-page 

554
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:06,500
dungeon but I was like, I really
like this style and then John 

555
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:10,000
was was putting out a sea of 
glass and I was like I want to 

556
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,800
try and come back to this but 
then shelf tit. 

557
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,400
And then Micah put the jam out 
and I was like, now's the time I

558
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,800
got to catch up to John because 
I think John posted like three 

559
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,200
or four things right away. 
You were doing the manor, The 

560
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,800
Manor and oh yeah, the most like
this is so cool and then you 

561
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,800
were posting screenshots of your
layout. 

562
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,400
I was like gosh darn it. 
I want to do that. 

563
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:37,000
Yeah, coming back to the manor. 
The Manor is not been abandoned.

564
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:40,600
Yes for an update. 
Yes. 

565
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:49,900
Yeah bastards is. 
I think What I thought B and D 

566
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:54,800
before ever playing and date. 
Yes, why I've talked about this 

567
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,400
story before my first 
introduction to what 

568
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:04,300
role-playing games were was the 
episode of dextrorotatory where 

569
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:08,700
they're playing, like the weird 
like amalgam of the Indie, you 

570
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:15,000
know? 
and I don't know, it's just this

571
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:22,700
like This weird esoteric, like 
Enigma of a game where you have 

572
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:27,700
to figure out how it works, as 
you're playing it, I love that. 

573
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:34,000
I love a game, that's a puzzle. 
And yeah, I mean, I mean like 

574
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000
that best thing about bastards 
just like in the moment you're 

575
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,600
like, okay, well, this is just 
how this is going to worry, 

576
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,900
we're deciding right now. 
It's like we I mean we just talk

577
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:43,600
about this like well I think 
know that was on stream before 

578
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,200
but Mike is like yeah I don't 
know. 

579
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Let's just go ahead and Hospital
laughs. 

580
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:51,100
Yeah exactly. 
Because what was it one of my 

581
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,600
players. 
Like, they were like they 

582
00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:00,000
thought an owlbear and they were
just like are there any eggs I 

583
00:37:00,008 --> 00:37:02,300
want to have a egg? 
And I'm just like, oh I don't 

584
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:04,900
know. 
Spend all of your points of 

585
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:09,100
luck, I guess for there to be an
owlbear egg and that's so cool. 

586
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,400
They found one and they're 
trying to like figure out how 

587
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,600
they're trying to find 
information about how to like 

588
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:19,600
have a pet owl bear and I'm just
like, oh shit, I'm gonna have to

589
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,400
figure out. 
That's so cool. 

590
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,200
How to mechanically do Yes, it's
fun. 

591
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,700
Like, as it gives you the 
chances of GM to play the game 

592
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:30,400
as much as like, they're playing
the game like I play. 

593
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,200
Like, do they run so many like 
run. 

594
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,300
So many games do so many years 
and I played more playing 

595
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:38,700
bastards and I think I have in 
like most systems over time. 

596
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,100
Yeah. 
That's like that's the thing 

597
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:45,500
that I think really made me 
switch over from 5e. 

598
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:50,400
Was I love world-building? 
I love like imagining like 

599
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,700
Tolkien is my hero when it's 
like. 

600
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:54,400
The silmarillion. 
I read it once a year because 

601
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,600
I'm just weird. 
I replied what I loved about 

602
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,000
mouth Ritter was, I was like, 
I'm not even going to prep, like

603
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,500
I've got the idea of the world 
but as the game master like 

604
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:10,600
everything is random tables. 
And so like for me, I get just 

605
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,000
as like as much excitement as 
the players because I'm like, I 

606
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,800
don't know what's going to 
happen. 

607
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,400
Let's find out roll the dice and
it when that happens, like I 

608
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,100
think Michael, when they were on
stream episode to a trick in 

609
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,100
swamps you You said it was like,
I don't have a fortress in this 

610
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:26,800
hex, keep talking. 
I'm going to roll one up real 

611
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,800
quick. 
I was like that is the epitome 

612
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,100
of amazing game master and also,
that's the game I want to play 

613
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,500
because I love to be a player. 
But I love to also facilitate 

614
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,900
and so, yeah. 
I think bastards does that so 

615
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:43,100
perfectly. 
Yeah. 

616
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:44,100
You fucking hear that. 
Michael. 

617
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,900
We love you. 
So yeah. 

618
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:47,500
Yeah, fuck. 
You Mica. 

619
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:52,700
Is it kiss you on the mouth? 
Yeah. 

620
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,000
You know, that's the thing, the 
system wise, it's just a great 

621
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,300
clean system. 
Exactly. 

622
00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,700
You guys are talking about but 
layout wise. 

623
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:04,600
No, because the first, the first
thing I really saw that was 

624
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,400
additional content because there
were two men, Travis is an 

625
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,500
amazing book too, but at our 
Darkly blew me away. 

626
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:13,500
First of all, the the green and 
purple together was just like, 

627
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,600
super evocative. 
But a simple dungeon when I 

628
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,400
first pulled that out too, like 
it's such a fucking awesome 

629
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,600
layout. 
And then the way that like, 

630
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Little hexes and things are like
it just it was so good. 

631
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:32,600
And then when you see something 
like a tower, Darkly capture it 

632
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,100
and then do its own thing with 
it. 

633
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:37,000
And then now this like plethora 
of things that went with it, you

634
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,600
know. 
I'm it's really interesting. 

635
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,400
I'm curious, if, if the layout 
was different, if it was just 

636
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,500
like black and white text and 
like, columns and stuff like 

637
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:49,400
that, if his much stuff like if 
if we would have the bastardize 

638
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,200
classics or something like that 
because the the layout itself is

639
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,700
so evocative, Native and it's so
much his style is just it's just

640
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,800
interesting thing about 
sometimes how much, not only 

641
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,900
the, the style of the game but 
the game itself has influence of

642
00:40:01,908 --> 00:40:03,700
people that are creating content
for it. 

643
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:07,500
So yeah, it's interesting that 
you say that because I was 

644
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:10,500
pretty active and still in 
pretty active in the in the care

645
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:15,500
and Discord yohai is super cool 
like when I first got into doing

646
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:18,400
stuff for mass murder like yohai
reached out it was like Hey I 

647
00:40:18,408 --> 00:40:20,200
can help you edit a couple 
things. 

648
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,700
I was like that's super cool 
like a mime. 

649
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:26,000
That was like you're the creator
of Cairn and you reach out to me

650
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,900
I was like whoa. 
And so like you're right, I've 

651
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:33,700
gone back and forth a whole 
bunch and in that Discord like 

652
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:37,100
there's Karen conversions for a 
bunch of Classics and I really 

653
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:41,500
wanted to do it but I just I 
felt and I love Karen and like I

654
00:40:41,508 --> 00:40:44,600
will always love care and but it
was so hard for me because I 

655
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,000
wanted it to be perfect. 
And I think bastards lets you 

656
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,100
not let it like, it doesn't have
to be perfect because you just 

657
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:55,300
do it. 
And I, so I feel like I have 

658
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,100
more freedom with bastards that 
did with Karen and then playing 

659
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:01,800
it. 
I was like, yeah, no, no joke. 

660
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,200
I'm just going to do this 
forever now. 

661
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:11,900
Oh yeah, yeah absolutely. 
Um so I'm not going to get into 

662
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:15,600
fifth edition and why it sucks 
but I really like, you know, I 

663
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,900
actually started my 5e no login 
first episode ever. 

664
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,300
I actually have my I'm in a 
fifth edition game, directly 

665
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:27,400
following this stream. 
I still play, I don't run it, I 

666
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,800
still play it. 
I have a great time with my 

667
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,100
press but here's here's the 
thing. 

668
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:34,900
II had a similar somewhat, I 
guess transition, as you have 

669
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:38,500
done, And it's good to hear 
someone who decided to try 

670
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:41,000
something different and then 
latch on and be like, wow, like 

671
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,100
I just like, you know, whether 
you know, it's fine, if people 

672
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:49,300
still like that Edition, it's 
fine, do your thing but it's 

673
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:53,800
nice that, you know, I started 
the 5e, I went super hard on it 

674
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,500
and then I just for the same 
reasons was just like I just 

675
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:59,100
want to like this is not 
scratching the itch for me 

676
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:00,600
anymore. 
Like I want to do something a 

677
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,500
little bit different and for for
you too. 

678
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,600
To say the same thing kind of 
where you just like, you know, I

679
00:42:07,607 --> 00:42:10,200
was running it but I wanted this
and you found Mouser, then you 

680
00:42:10,207 --> 00:42:12,700
found bastards. 
It's nice when you actually 

681
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:15,500
because so much of the, the 
discourse out there is play 

682
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:20,100
another game. 
And it's nice when you actually 

683
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:22,300
meet someone who not only has 
played another game but like, 

684
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:25,100
has latched onto these other 
games and created so much 

685
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,800
amazing content for it. 
Do you feel like you're starting

686
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,400
with fifth edition and being 
introduced to this system? 

687
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,800
That is so polar opposite to so 
much of you do now, like do you 

688
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,200
feel like that made you latch on
more to things like masseter and

689
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,700
bastards and change it? 
Or was it more just like trying 

690
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:44,900
to fill like the holes and gaps 
if IV wasn't really like giving 

691
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:49,700
you any more? 
I think for me it was not so 

692
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:51,000
much. 
The filling in the gaps. 

693
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,100
I just really wanted to World 
build and I felt like 5e put me 

694
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:58,100
in such a box that I had to be 
like okay there's this there's 

695
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:01,100
some sort of system for how to 
like test the dirt to see if I 

696
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:05,200
could like just like why are 
there so many formulas and 

697
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,200
systems and everything? 
And and so when I found 

698
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,500
something that was like no 
random is cool. 

699
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:16,400
Yeah that that was the Breakaway
for me, I didn't I wasn't Aunt 

700
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:22,800
told by the overlord you have to
do it this way and II, think 

701
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,800
dungeon craft the YouTube 
channel was always like you 

702
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,600
shouldn't have to roll a dice to
see if you can hit someone with 

703
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,100
a mud leg. 
I mean, or have the ball or like

704
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,400
like, like the bartender brawler
feet or whatever? 

705
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,000
I'm just like, what is all this 
stuff? 

706
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,100
I just want to play. 
I don't want to like study. 

707
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:43,000
Yeah, you want the rules to get 
out of the way of you having 

708
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,800
fun. 
Which like, yeah, I mean there's

709
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,700
like Real games. 
I put over time where like they 

710
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:51,200
were really trying to achieve 
that concept like early like 

711
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,300
years and years ago, I think I'm
thinking like Cipher system 

712
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:57,400
which was Monte cook which is 
way less rules than d and d and 

713
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,000
to very much has to go out of 
your way and it's funny like 

714
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:03,000
from five. 
Yeah, I went to Cipher and I'm 

715
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,400
sorry for I found my way into 
like the 0s are in a sari Sr P. 

716
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,600
BD a scene and yeah, I think 
that's like bastard is such a 

717
00:44:13,607 --> 00:44:15,900
great like yeah fucking sugar 
that it's fine. 

718
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:18,500
Like you don't know, you don't 
go in knowing like it can be, 

719
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:21,200
this can be a completely random 
experience and like, yeah, you 

720
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,100
can fucking decide you're going 
to roll up a fortress that we 

721
00:44:25,107 --> 00:44:27,700
don't even get to in the end of 
episode. 

722
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:30,600
Yeah, at least weekly glimpsed 
it. 

723
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,500
We saw it. 
You know, that's the thing too. 

724
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:35,900
It's just like, you know, 5e, 
there's a whole page in 

725
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:38,900
beginning that says these are 
just rules, do whatever you 

726
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:42,700
want, but then has like 200 
pages of like very specific 

727
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:45,200
rules and someone on Saturday, 
telling you exactly how to run 

728
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,600
it all the time. 
You know? 

729
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,800
And like the way a game is 
written is it's kind of like do 

730
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,800
as I say not as I do, you know 
what I mean? 

731
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,500
Like, the way a game is written 
is going to encourage the way 

732
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,000
that the game is gonna be 
played. 

733
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,600
Regardless of, if you put, like 
a one-line disclaimer, in the 

734
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,300
beginning, right? 
So, like, no matter how much you

735
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:06,800
say, oh, just do whatever you 
want in 5th edition. 

736
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,300
It's still going to be fit 
addition or Cipher, or whatever 

737
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,000
the game is, you know? 
And, and there's a lot of us are

738
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,100
games that are that try to like,
get out of the way, but one of 

739
00:45:15,107 --> 00:45:17,600
the things I really love. 
It's about bastards is that 

740
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,100
there is that disclaimer, like, 
do whatever you want, I believe 

741
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:23,300
in you, but the rules just get 
out of the way to the point 

742
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:25,000
where look we've talked about 
it, might give a literally this 

743
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,900
be, like, I don't remember to do
this, like, it doesn't matter 

744
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:30,800
like, you know, there is enough 
of a structure there that it 

745
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,200
whatever you decide to do. 
You can just keep moving forward

746
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,800
and games at like that are like 
that are, it's at least where 

747
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,500
I'm at, you know, in my table 
top stuff. 

748
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:41,400
I don't want to sit and read the
600-page book. 

749
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,800
I will for the stream. 
I'm not going to run it, you 

750
00:45:43,808 --> 00:45:46,400
know. 
So bastards feels like Pete 

751
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,100
600-page books on this track is 
that we're never coming back. 

752
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:53,400
We got water to. 
We got to like kind of flip 

753
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,000
through but broke but yeah. 
Probably you know, that's I mean

754
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,700
and that's what it kind of feels
like the consensus here. 

755
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:01,200
Mon monk syrup is exactly. 
I system that gets out of the 

756
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,700
way and a style that really 
like, encourages this amazing 

757
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:10,000
content that you guys are doing.
So, it's absolutely fantastic to

758
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,800
see. 
I'm really excited for what goes

759
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,300
forward. 
I hope there's more Davison 

760
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:16,000
Morris stuff in, you know, and 
vaulted. 

761
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:19,700
Doom was the is out right now, 
you know, it's each funding 

762
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:22,400
right now, is there, when is 
there? 

763
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,900
Is that gonna is there a chance?
It's getting into. 

764
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:27,800
Yeah. 
So the order was placed earlier 

765
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,300
this week for a print run and 
Jared at spear which is already 

766
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:36,700
told me how many they want and 
we're expecting it to sell out 

767
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:41,600
and so yeah, hopefully soon I 
think it ships for mix-ins 

768
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,000
warehouse on the 23rd. 
So that's this week. 

769
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:51,800
And so, yeah, that's pretty cool
and it should be arriving pretty

770
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,300
close to the time. 
My brother-in-law does some did 

771
00:46:54,700 --> 00:47:00,200
some dungeon synth in his free 
time and he is going to be 

772
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,000
sending me audio files of an 
accompanying soundtrack to go 

773
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,800
along the game. 
Specifically tailored to Vault 

774
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,400
of Doom one, that's going to be 
tailored to Vault of or peak of 

775
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,400
waffle. 
And then in the future, they 

776
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,400
love Stars. 
It's and Cave a fiend. 

777
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,700
So there's going to be a whole 
playlist, I think Micah put it 

778
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:23,400
on the bastards page. 
This game is meant to be played 

779
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,900
with this kind of music and so 
we've got custom Davis and 

780
00:47:28,900 --> 00:47:36,000
Morris themed dungeon synth, is 
there a, is there any 

781
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,600
possibility some time in the 
future of, you know, maybe some 

782
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,100
tapes that I can keep collecting
for a tape player? 

783
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:46,000
I don't have yet. 
Oh, that would be cool. 

784
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,400
John and I kind of tossed. 
The idea around about in the 

785
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,000
summer maybe like doing a deluxe
release of all four of them. 

786
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:58,900
My other brother in law is 
currently he just, I wish I had 

787
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:00,900
the pictures to show you guys. 
It's in the mail right now but 

788
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:07,300
it is a dungeon master screen 
for bastards but it is hollowed 

789
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:13,400
so that when it folds it'll hold
it'll hold a total of I think 14

790
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:18,900
A6 about this size. 
In it it clasps and everything 

791
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:23,500
and so maybe have him make a box
and get some cassettes. 

792
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,300
We could do some kind of cool. 
No promises. 

793
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:31,500
But the concept will all be 
together talking. 

794
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,400
You're talking now to the two 
people that like, would actually

795
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,500
just be guaranteed to buy it. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. 

796
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:43,800
Because well, if, if one shows 
up on your doorstep, just you 

797
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,100
never know. 
We might just say, we love you 

798
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:52,800
guys, I would be version. 
Yeah, I mean it, listen, I 

799
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,200
again, I can't tell you how 
excited I am for this, every 

800
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,300
aspect of it. 
I mean, You guys just make 

801
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:59,900
amazing content, John you've 
come on the show and killed us. 

802
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:05,400
I'm never going to not say that,
but, you know, Helm is amazing. 

803
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,600
All the stuff that you've 
created, you know, it's just, 

804
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:14,500
it's really awesome to, in this 
space, find a Creator who makes 

805
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,600
amazing stuff get to meet that 
crater and find out there just 

806
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,100
as much of an amazing person and
then just be able to be a fan of

807
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:23,000
a friend for a long time. 
And that's one of my favorite 

808
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,700
things about this show that we 
found. 

809
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:27,400
And, you know, Matt, this is our
first time meeting you, but you 

810
00:49:27,408 --> 00:49:31,500
seem like an awesome guy stuff. 
I'm super excited to get more of

811
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:33,700
it going forward. 
So well. 

812
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:36,600
Hey if you ever want to play a 
mouse that gets killed by a blue

813
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,600
jay, I know a guy who runs Mouse
Ritter. 

814
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:40,300
Yeah, we definitely. 
Yeah. 

815
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:42,900
I actually 100% do on, did I 
solve their played Notch further

816
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:46,400
same, and I grew up reading 
redwall Series. 

817
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,300
So yes, like I'm like, yeah, 
fucking listen. 

818
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:53,200
I'm super down to be a mouse. 
All right, it's gonna happen. 

819
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:56,400
I hope that you both keep work 
together because I'm For 

820
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,500
enjoying the content you guys, 
you're like I hate to very great

821
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:00,400
team of but I would love to see 
you guys. 

822
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,100
Make some make something for 
Helm. 

823
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:07,200
Yeah, reason I really do like 
Helm and I think it's like a 

824
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,300
really interesting comment 
system and I would love to 

825
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:14,400
revisit a Helm, Helm will come 
back with a vengeance. 

826
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,200
I swear it and it, you know, if 
Matt's down I'm down. 

827
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,100
So, oh yeah. 
Oh yeah, that would be fun and 

828
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:25,000
be a little more gritty. 
Little more, you know, realism, 

829
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,400
you know, so, You'll have to 
come back on. 

830
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,800
We'll have to try to survive 
this time and and and see what 

831
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,400
happened. 
You know, it's interesting too 

832
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,500
because you know, after you 
killed us in 17th century 

833
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:41,300
minimalist, I we had to go 
review 17th century minimalist, 

834
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:44,800
so you know, that triggered that
trigger that episode, which is 

835
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,300
really, really fun. 
It's a great little system. 

836
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:48,900
I'm glad that you I hadn't even 
heard of it until you introduced

837
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:51,900
us to the the adventure packs 
for, for that. 

838
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,200
And then of course, I had to go 
try to find a very expensive, 

839
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,800
copy somewhere and now I own it.
So you know what? 

840
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,900
You've only found it. 
Oh yeah, I did. 

841
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:02,100
Yeah, I've been searching Andre 
is so cool. 

842
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:03,900
Like the dudes are games 
omnivorous. 

843
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,000
That I came as awesome and I've 
never been able to find a copy. 

844
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:12,900
It's always, there is a single 
one in the world. 

845
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:15,200
That is for sale, right? 
I'll find it. 

846
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,000
So, you get the adventure 
collection along with it. 

847
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:23,700
I did. 
Yeah, older and everything. 

848
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:25,500
Oh, it's so pretty. 
It's great. 

849
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,400
Yeah. 
So you know that was I was just 

850
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,200
you know, one of the great 
things to come out of home 

851
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,600
except the sides, you know, are 
T PK, which it was amazing. 

852
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,600
I can't I can't even like that 
was such a fun experience to get

853
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,000
just absolutely get our ass 
kicked. 

854
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,600
And the system itself is so much
fun to run like I want to play 

855
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,300
it again even just for just like
not, I will, I will succeed this

856
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:50,200
time, you know, kind of thing. 
So it's it's great, you know. 

857
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,100
I again I mean we've said a 
bunch of Havoc so excited for 

858
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:55,200
both. 
You guys content to keep coming 

859
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,000
out and keep dropping and and 
Very Stoke to play it. 

860
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,800
Both of you guys are open invite
any time. 

861
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,600
You fucking want to come on and 
run anything. 

862
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:06,200
So, you know, just she just a 
message. 

863
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,600
I appreciate that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

864
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:13,700
I'd be more than happy to be 
awesome if John runs vaulted. 

865
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,600
Umm, can I get killed in it? 
Can I come on and just play as 

866
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,500
the best for the dies? 
Absolutely. 

867
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:23,500
All, yeah, I'll just make you an
MPC and ensure that your killed 

868
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,100
nice. 
Yeah, nice. 

869
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:27,400
Now we could. 
Figure something. 

870
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,900
We'll switch it up to like a, 
for Player 1 and John, Candice 

871
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:32,800
murder for people this time 
instead of three. 

872
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,600
So nice, second highest highest 
kill count on the stream right 

873
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,000
now is John Davis oldest 
continuing on, I, you know, it 

874
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,200
great. 
That would how absolutely 

875
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,500
suicidal I play every table. 
Top game ever that no one's been

876
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:48,700
successful. 
Yeah, Mike man waiting we went 

877
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:53,400
after a fire with my bare hands 
you know it's funny because 

878
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,600
rocks oh yeah it's funny because
I'm actually Kind of a teddy 

879
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,500
bear. 
When it comes to my home games, 

880
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,800
I don't kill people by period, 
like almost never. 

881
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,000
And then I guess that was just a
fluke or something because I get

882
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,400
it. 
I listen, I don't kill my 

883
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,500
players, they killed themselves,
you know? 

884
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,900
Yeah. 
Awesome. 

885
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:20,400
Um so these are out right now. 
Obviously, you know it was it 

886
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,200
was it? 
I mean it's still technically 

887
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,300
it's funding right? 
But you've Pastor its funding 

888
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:28,200
goal. 
Yeah oh yeah yeah definitely and

889
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,400
then that pretty much just going
to keep funding like the later 

890
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,400
bastard stuff to write like it's
all just gonna know pay itself 

891
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,900
forward. 
Yeah. 

892
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:40,200
But I was going to say, yeah, it
was going to do. 

893
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:43,100
We've got more artists that were
like, this is super dope. 

894
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:46,500
I've got a similar aesthetic, 
maybe I could slap a piece of 

895
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:50,500
their perfect perplexing. 
Ruins has really like got the 

896
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:55,700
bastard itch and is producing 
stuff in reached out to me was 

897
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:59,100
like, hey, I know you're doing 
more down the road, would you be

898
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:02,500
okay if I did something for it? 
I was like, yeah, and reach out 

899
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:04,400
to John. 
John was like, yeah, for sure, 

900
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,600
why not? 
Let's drink fluids in there. 

901
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

902
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:09,100
Oh yeah. 
I said, they're mine. 

903
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:10,900
I know you said, you, you got 
years already. 

904
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:12,900
So, I assume on a come tomorrow 
but we'll see. 

905
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,500
But um, but where, where can 
people get this out? 

906
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:19,000
Because you said, Paul today was
going to be rich but where can 

907
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,500
people get the digital copy that
right now? 

908
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,700
That is at going to pull up the 
link. 

909
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,900
No creative separate addresses. 
No, it's so, so consistently 

910
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:35,000
true. 
No Creator knows their own Edge.

911
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,900
I had it. 
I had it right in front of me 

912
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:38,500
and then I switched to a 
different tab. 

913
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:42,400
So now I have to go through six 
pages to get back to it, but no,

914
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,200
it's a civet sanctum dot itch.io
/, bastardized classics. 

915
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,700
And that's where and in the 
Civic sanctum you know it's a 

916
00:54:52,707 --> 00:54:57,000
logo next to me it's funny 
because I'm an idiot because I 

917
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,700
remember on the first the first 
time we had you on the show, I 

918
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:02,900
was like where's the same as 
saying them come from it's just 

919
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:04,400
like it's just my last name 
backwards. 

920
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,200
I was like, oh my gosh. 
So whoa. 

921
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,900
Did that just it's just click 
those like what? 

922
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:17,000
Not the only one. 
Yeah, it's like, is it somewhat 

923
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,400
cool character? 
For one of the things that I 

924
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,700
think in In the actual truecrypt
you reference civet The Seer and

925
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:26,700
I was like I got to know more 
but I don't know how to ask. 

926
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:28,900
It's just your net come on 
that's awesome. 

927
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,700
Oh yeah I do the do the the 
classic thing of if you need a 

928
00:55:34,707 --> 00:55:38,200
wizard just spell your name 
backwards you know that? 

929
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:44,600
I love it and in Mana ramp Matt 
I'm a Hunter references, the 

930
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,400
beginning of the stream but I 
didn't really know what What is 

931
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,300
Manner? 
Where did, man? 

932
00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:52,800
Our ramp Matt come from. 
Yeah. 

933
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:58,400
You know, I used to play Magic 
the Gathering and I really love 

934
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,700
it, kind of stopped playing it 
when covid hit but I was making 

935
00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:07,000
proxies for Commander in like 
Cube which are just two 

936
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,400
different formats for Magic. 
The Gathering and my friends 

937
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,500
were like, hey, you need to like
come up with a name and I was 

938
00:56:13,508 --> 00:56:15,300
like, I play Green cards, they 
man or a. 

939
00:56:15,308 --> 00:56:20,300
I'm man around Matt Productions.
And then when I did my First RPG

940
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:22,600
thing. 
I was like, I, everyone else has

941
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,300
a company name. 
I'm going to use that one. 

942
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:29,100
It has nothing to do with RPGs. 
It actually is kind of confusing

943
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:34,500
potentially and so I'm getting 
an overhaul currently being 

944
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:38,600
worked on. 
I think Tony Tony made a post a 

945
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,900
year or two ago about like 
rebranding and how important 

946
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:44,500
that is. 
And so I'm officially rebranding

947
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:46,700
and it's going to be way. 
Cool cool. 

948
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:50,600
But yeah, Melissa To play Magic,
the Gathering. 

949
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,500
I still do but I used to as 
well. 

950
00:56:52,700 --> 00:57:03,300
Yeah, so I respect that. 
Yeah, it's a So we found we all 

951
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:06,500
just like he loves him. 
So John are we on 7 sanctum here

952
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,700
you can find all about yourself 
on Spirits. 

953
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:11,600
Matt where can we find all of 
your content Mouse rotor and 

954
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:12,900
bastards and like all the stuff 
he done? 

955
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,800
Yeah. 
So I'm on itch at Mana ramp, 

956
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:21,600
Matt dot itch.io, I've got all 
my bastard stuff. 

957
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,800
All my master stuff did an 
official adventure for liminal 

958
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,800
horror. 
It's up there. 

959
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:32,800
That was a super cool little 
Group we got together and also I

960
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:38,100
think there's a link on my itch 
to a big bastards bundle that 

961
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:42,300
you can buy the bundle, get 
everything John and I have made 

962
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:45,700
pretty much for bastards and 
also helps support vaults of 

963
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:48,800
Doom and so that one that one 
exploded, it was cool. 

964
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,300
Yeah, just get the bundle. 
It's a much better deal. 

965
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,200
Like you'll get so much more 
content and you'll also be 

966
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,800
supporting the the bastardized 
classics. 

967
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,700
So just get the bundle. 
Yeah. 

968
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:04,300
I mean I got the bundle. 
I have like almost everything 

969
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:06,700
but like I got the bundle anyway
because I think is you have like

970
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:08,300
your solo rules and stuff in 
there too. 

971
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:09,800
Right. 
Is that does that in a bottle? 

972
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600
Yeah. 
No I think I think I added the 

973
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:13,900
solo. 
I can't remember if I added the 

974
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:16,200
solo rules to it. 
I made a dungeon master screen 

975
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,000
and it came with like two little
supplements. 

976
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,200
Micah said yeah just take the 
text slap it in there I think I 

977
00:58:22,207 --> 00:58:24,800
put that in there. 
I should throw the solo rules 

978
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,800
and their though if they're not 
that they're free on my each 

979
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,400
page so I can just add them. 
But they're in Prince and spear,

980
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,700
which is going to pick those up 
in about a week or two. 

981
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,800
So amazing. 
I'm I constantly try to save 

982
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,800
money and then like every other 
week, you know, jarrod's just 

983
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,800
like, here's another one. 
Here's another one. 

984
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,400
Here's know what I'm like. 
Can you just like keep all of 

985
00:58:47,408 --> 00:58:49,500
them till the end of the month? 
So I can buy for at one time and

986
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:52,000
pay shipping once because I 
can't not bite the second, I get

987
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,300
the email but you know, here we 
are. 

988
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,500
There's a wedding recipe book my
home. 

989
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,000
Yeah don't even get me started 
about. 

990
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,700
It's right up its recipe or 
somewhere. 

991
00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:08,200
Yeah it's fantastic. 
So guys It is been so amazing 

992
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,100
having booked you guys on 
seriously please come back 

993
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,200
anytime you know kill us or not.
I either way we'd love to see 

994
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,900
both of you again very excited 
for all of these classes to drop

995
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:21,100
for the rest of the year. 
And yeah really really 

996
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,900
appreciate being here. 
Thank you so much. 

997
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:27,000
Thanks to be back. 
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 

998
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,400
Great. 
To have both, you spend a lot 

999
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,000
of. 
Uh, so this is the weekly scroll

1000
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,500
podcast. 
You can find us at the adventure

1001
00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:36,800
archive or on Twitter at weekly 
underscore scroll. 

1002
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,800
I'm just going to stop talking 
about the IG until I actually 

1003
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,700
update it. 
So don't worry about that. 

1004
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:42,100
We have an interior of good 
luck. 

1005
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,100
Hey, I used to be really good at
it and then the spoons just they

1006
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:47,600
just, they just fell out of the 
drawer. 

1007
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,100
So, um, so that's us. 
That's a show. 

1008
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:52,600
This is my Morris and John Davis
with the bastards classics. 

1009
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:56,500
I'm Ryan that's Hunter and we'll
see you sometime in the future 

1010
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:58,100
for something else. 
Have a wonderful day. 

1011
00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:59,600
Everybody is.