1 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,440 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,120 My name is Ryan and joining me once again is Zach of Soul 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,320 Muppet. How you doing today, Zach? 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,040 Hey Ryan, how are you doing? Good to see you and glad to be 5 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,600 back on the Weekly scroll. Yeah, we were just talking about 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,720 where the stream started that I do think at this point you are 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,200 the most guested guest we've had. 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,160 So at some point I'm going to go back and count it and we'll see, 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,600 We'll see exactly what that is. But. 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,640 Too many podcasts at this point. I mean, not that that's 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,640 possible, but you know, if it could be done. 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,720 I've tested on too many podcasts. 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,280 I've seen, well, not only ours you've been every time I hop on 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,280 Blue Sky, there's like another like Orbital Blues podcast 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,880 popping up recently. I'm talking about the project, 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,640 which is what we're going to talk about here today, but 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,200 Orbital Blues Month, that's what's going on. 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,480 So there's been a bunch of months going on, on Backer kit. 19 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:10,560 We were talking a little before the show started. 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,280 So how how's it been having a whole month to yourself? 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,760 Yeah, I mean, I always get intensely jealous when I see 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,120 another publisher with a month, right? 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,560 You know, my mothership months and my mouse written months and 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:32,320 my more tobers, you know, and it makes me envious and jealousy 25 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:35,880 and that obviously that kind of emotion is always the best thing 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:43,240 to drive progress, you know, So but in all seriousness, it's the 27 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,600 they're always a really cool thing to see done. 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,760 And like the ones that are happening for those games you 29 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,360 were talking about are of all the Blues. 30 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,160 It's like, you know, it's popular game. 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,000 I'm very happy of how well it's done and how well the third 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,360 party team is doing, but it's definitely a bit more nascent 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,760 bad to some of those other games, you know, a little bit 34 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,160 more kind of growing in that space. 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,720 And it's felt like a really good opportunity to like alongside 36 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,720 project we were planning outdoors and corporations, which 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,320 is going to be our third entry from so Muppet. 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,480 There's like an official Orbital Blues first party product that 39 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,760 we work with some other folks to release some things as well, you 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,160 know, so we've made our game, we've made our adventure for it 41 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,920 as like the big kind of tentpole craft free project of the month. 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:39,360 And then there are five other sort of contributions from other 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,000 people all around the open Blues third party scene. 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,680 You know, we've got a couple of adventures, a full system 45 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,520 rewrite and like some other like weird different ways to play all 46 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,160 these as well. So it's it's been exciting 47 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,080 putting that all together, you know, coming up with what we 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,800 wanted everyone's pitches to be and how it was going to be 49 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,880 different work out who we're going to work with and how we're 50 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,320 going to plan it and what kind of promotional gizmos we're 51 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,560 going to do to make sure that everyone else was excited about 52 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,160 it as we were. But it's kind of all to come 53 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,080 together into like a really exciting celebration of what, 54 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,480 you know, our sad space cowboy role-playing game would be. 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,320 So it's been a fantastic experience obviously over the 56 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,680 last weeks and in the months of planning that it takes to to run 57 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,520 this kind of enterprise. Yeah, and obviously we're going 58 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,000 to dig deep into all of these projects. 59 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,280 But for those that might not have seen like that a the other 60 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,320 times you've been on the show or the reviews we've done or like 61 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,760 all of the Orbital Blues stuff here. 62 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,960 What what the heck is Orbital Blues? 63 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,520 A little bit of who is Soul Muppet that's making those games 64 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,360 to just so the people once again that haven't seen it and are 65 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,840 going to go back. All of these great projects know 66 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,600 know what they're back. Yeah, so I'm Zach by Jelly 67 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,920 Muppet on the Internet and I run an RPG company called Soul 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,320 Publishing. We're auk based indie RPG 69 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,920 publisher. We've done a mix of like 70 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,520 publishing other people's work and for Oracle Blues kind of is 71 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:17,200 our flagship indie story. OSRE rules like emotions heavy 72 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,760 game. It's game S play Cowboys. 73 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,720 You play a bunch of interstellar outlaws trying to make ends meet 74 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,480 in a Dust Bowl retro future Americana Galaxy. 75 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:35,720 The game is about role-playing these kind of sad losers trying 76 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,680 to make ends meet under the sort of existential threat of rent 77 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:46,880 while dealing with depression. All the art for the game, the 78 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:55,960 world is this kind of dusty retro future kind of music, 79 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:02,920 Americana inspired universe. So all of the arts is like a lot 80 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,400 of the art rather is like in world and sort of a mix of like 81 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,520 advertising materials, business cards, posters for places that 82 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,720 don't exist, schematics, diagrams, marketing copy. 83 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,400 So it kind of has this kind of skew morphic sensibility, which 84 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,280 means that as you're reading it, you're kind of finding out more 85 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,640 about the vibes of the world and the characters. 86 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:30,760 We've ran a couple of crowdfunding projects over the 87 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,800 last few years. Is the third one Outlaws and 88 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:38,720 Corporations is for a new kind of setting slash source book 89 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,920 that we're doing that details the two kind of opposing forces 90 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,240 within any old Blues campaign, which is going to sort of be the 91 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:59,840 criminal outlaws and the sort of corporate bodies that kind of 92 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:02,360 rule the Galaxy. And it's a book kind of 93 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,120 centering around all these different types of characters, 94 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,800 all these factions. A book like fundamentally in 95 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,800 opposition with itself. If you take a look at the page 96 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,440 for the project, you can see that it's this type of book 97 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,520 called a Tech Bash, where like if you read it one way, it's all 98 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,120 outlaws and you meet to the middle, it then turns upside 99 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,520 down and then it's corporations the other way. 100 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:29,480 So it's kind of a book in conflict about what is going to 101 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,840 happen in your campaign. And it kind of dives a bit 102 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:38,600 deeper into some of the stuff that kind of more of the 103 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,080 different parts of the Galaxy because the adventures we've 104 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,600 written so far kind of focus really deeply on like three or 105 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,440 four different systems. And this is like this is your 106 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,680 tool for running a campaign across the entire Galaxy if you 107 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,480 need to and kind of going into a bit more about the law. 108 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,680 And then alongside the soul market option made by which is 109 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,920 made by my 2 amazing Co creators for all the Blues, who are Josh 110 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,840 Clark, our artist. And then Sam Slini, our kind of 111 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,960 vibes guy who does all a lot of the adventure writing and you 112 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,160 know, the original idea for the game, part of the the 113 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:20,600 instigator, if you will. And that's kind of our stuff. 114 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,240 And then there's these five other adventures, I'm sure, some 115 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,240 of which you'll be able to scroll through on your screen or 116 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,720 in the show notes or whatever. There's a mix of different sort 117 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,040 of genres and approaches from like a list of amazing creators 118 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,160 you'll be familiar with if you've spent any time hanging 119 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,000 around in the RPGs. So yeah. 120 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,600 Yeah, Orbital Blues, sad Space Cowboys. 121 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,120 It's I think it's one of the earlier reviews we did way back 122 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,280 in the day. And I don't remember we did 123 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,240 Orbital Blues first or if we did best left buried first. 124 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,080 But either way, we've covered in both. 125 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,560 I was actually shocked to hear that this is only the third 126 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,560 release from you, but I guess it is because you guys did Orbital 127 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,360 Blues, you did Afterburn, and I guess this is just the the third 128 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,840 one. I feel like I have so much more 129 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,400 orbital Blues than that though. It's because every time we do 130 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,520 it, we go ballistic, right? Yeah. 131 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,960 It's never like, here's a book. Like in the first crowdfunding 132 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:18,120 project we did a book, AGM screen sets and then an art 133 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,800 book. As a stretch goes for that. 134 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,040 We then released the PDFs for five individual adventures, like 135 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,360 soft covers, all of which like 4860 pages long. 136 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,920 And then in Afterburn, we collected those five stretch 137 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,360 goal adventures into a slip case. 138 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,240 We also made Avhs case full of pamphlet adventures. 139 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,520 We made a whole new book, Orbital Blues Afterburn, which 140 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,039 came with a huge adventure and a load of different like setting 141 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:47,680 material and in terms of like different spaceships your 142 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,440 characters might be able to get a hold of. 143 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,760 And then like a bunch of like GM advice that I wrote having based 144 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,760 on my experience running the game since it came out. 145 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,720 And then also alongside that, we just happen to do 2 more albums. 146 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,720 And now this Orbital Blues release is going to be similarly 147 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:13,440 ginormous in that alongside, you know, outlaws and corporations 148 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,160 from us, there's going to be F Infinity from the team of plus 149 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:22,600 one Exp, which is A kind of race space racing RPG where it's kind 150 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,920 of a mixture of F1 and NASCAR, but in space with sad space 151 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,680 pilots. There's a vape wave Wanderlust 152 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:40,240 by Graham Turner which is going to be a sort of a AI in not AI, 153 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,760 rather VR. Sorry got my letters wrong. 154 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,960 A sort of VR dreamscape of an orbital Blues adventure. 155 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:52,400 There is Paramore from Josh Damansky for who's the creator 156 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:57,800 of liminal horror that is a kind of romance themed adventure. 157 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:05,480 We've then got Fistful of Stars which is a like a space train 158 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,440 heist adventure from the guys behind Infinity of Ships. 159 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,280 And then finally a lone archivist who was the original 160 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,760 graphic designer for All the Blues is coming out as with 161 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,160 Jupiter and E flat minor, which is a was E flat major. 162 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,000 I've forgotten Jupiter and an E. Flyer. 163 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:28,880 And that's like a sort of jazz and Blues inspired mystery 164 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,840 adventure. So tons of different people 165 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,240 coming up with tons of different things. 166 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,200 And like, it might feel like, but this is, yeah, this is only 167 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,360 the third craft phonic project we've done for the Blues over 168 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,440 the last like 5 years. The first one was in 21. 169 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:45,760 The second was in back half of 24, I want to say. 170 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,160 And now we've got this one in 2026. 171 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,880 So it was 23. I can't remember. 172 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,600 It doesn't matter. It's a we've, but we've put a 173 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,480 lot of stuff in the meanwhile. So, you know, I was going to 174 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,480 say, yeah, like you guys, it's maybe it's just how much stuff 175 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,360 we get total from Soul Muppet, not just from not just from 176 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:07,880 Orbital Blues, but but but the backer kit month specifically 177 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,600 talking about that a little bit, how there's a bunch of them now 178 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:14,160 and more coming up. Apparently eventually it's just 179 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,320 going to be a calendar for backer kit alone, But how does 180 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,000 that all come together? I guess so like how do the story 181 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,760 of the Orbiter Blues month? I know you said you saw one you 182 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,160 wanted to do when it's great, but how does one actually do you 183 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,760 reach out to backer kit this backer reach out to you and then 184 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:33,280 how do you decide and, or take submissions from people to join 185 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,560 your month to turn this into what it has become, which is 186 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,800 extremely successful. Every single project is funded 187 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,280 and the whole thing is made over $130,000 for these six projects, 188 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,960 which is fantastic. But how, how does that start? 189 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,640 And like, how do you actually get to the point of being able 190 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,960 to launch six projects together with this amazing group of 191 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,240 creators? Yeah. 192 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,520 So like the, I think the turn around time on this one was 193 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,120 quite short by back standards. We started working on it August. 194 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,800 We had a meeting at Gencom, which you would have been there 195 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,360 for, not there for the meeting, but there on the day that Moll 196 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,360 and I had that meeting probably manning our stand. 197 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,880 So we sat down, we said we wanted to do a month. 198 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,000 We talked about kind of what we wanted to do with it and back 199 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:18,960 it. We're really excited. 200 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,560 I feel like the collaboration months are like a really unique 201 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:25,640 part of their ecosystem. Like it's something that 202 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,160 Kickstarter sort of try to do initially with stuff like Zen 203 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,400 Month, right? Or Zen Quest, I guess it would 204 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,640 have been the time, but that's been something that's run like 205 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,160 quite inconsistently and not super aggressively now. 206 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,840 And kind of that collaboration month is sitting a lot more in 207 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,680 like the back territory now. And like, as much as I really 208 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,880 like Kickstarter, it's a fantastic platform and it's a 209 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,080 really great way for us to connect with backers back here. 210 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,520 Just so much more like aggressive with like features 211 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,760 and developing new stuff, which means that when they see a 212 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,800 market opportunity, because they're not the market leader 213 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,640 like Kickstarter is, they're not the brand name, they're excited 214 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,920 to do something cool for us. So we said we wanted to do it. 215 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,960 They were really excited. I think it's a goal for them to 216 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,640 grow the number of months. And then it was put together for 217 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,360 us to kind of go away and find a load of people to work with. 218 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,720 Like the first touchstone for us was like working with people 219 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,920 who'd made all the blue stuff before, right? 220 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,120 Josh had made an amazing adventure called Starfall 221 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,200 Instagram, who's behind vaporwave? 222 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,560 Wanderlust had done 3 orbital Blues adventures, all of which 223 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:39,280 you can find on the song website now. 224 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,760 We've been printing them for a couple of years now. 225 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,760 And lone arc of this was our original graphic designer. 226 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,280 So we reached out to them and said hey, we want to do 227 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,600 projects. And they were all like, huh, OK, 228 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,720 yeah, I'd like to do that. Took a little bit finagling 229 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,680 because you know, not all of them have done crowd friendly 230 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:58,640 projects themselves before. So for us it a big part of soul 231 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,000 market is like knowledge sharing and ladder building. 232 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,000 So being able to be like, hi, I will help you run this thing. 233 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,080 I will support you with it. I will sit down with you, I will 234 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,200 work out what your pages. I'll give you feed rock and 235 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,640 everything. Like it's been a little bit more 236 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,080 bespoke than I imagine it is for some of the bigger projects. 237 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,280 Like I'm sure that you know, on the Mothership team, Sean McCoy 238 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,520 hasn't had like a sit down with all 25 of the creators on 239 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,560 Mothership month at this point. That would just be insane or 240 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,720 unrealistic to expect of a person because you know, we're 241 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,960 able to have a slightly smaller working group. 242 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,520 It means we've been able to kind of interweave quite nicely and 243 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,400 coordinate really well. Then it was a case of like 244 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,000 reaching out some other folks within our circle who we knew 245 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,160 had experienced with crowdfunding projects who would 246 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,560 be excited about all of the police, you know, our friends 247 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,320 basically. And then we said, you know, hit 248 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,520 us up and see what you can do. Like I said, at one point, there 249 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,760 was going to be before we spoke, one point was going to be 12 250 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,760 projects. And that would have been 251 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,960 madness. Like, I think that probably 252 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,760 would have been too many. We would have exhausted the 253 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,440 enthusiasm of all the Blues fans at that point, which is normally 254 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,760 pretty limitless. And we'd have came asking people 255 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,000 to back like 12 projects. That would have been insane. 256 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:16,000 But, you know, people were happy to be there in the end and, you 257 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,480 know, basically put it together and start promoting about three 258 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,480 months ago. So kind of five months from 259 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,280 initial conversation to I need you to like have a project page 260 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,320 ready for an idea that maybe didn't exist before. 261 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,400 It's sometimes a little bit difficult, but you know, I'm 262 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,720 really happy that the people we were working with were excited 263 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,360 and able to do it. And given how well this one, 264 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,040 this one's gone, we might have to look at doing another 265 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,040 collaboration month next year, maybe. 266 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,280 You know, even though it's been a lot of work for me and more on 267 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,000 the sole Muppet side, but you know, it's good to feel like 268 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,240 we've got this sense of community. 269 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,160 Because the thing that's so exciting about these kind of 270 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,400 collaboration months, and I've said this on a bunch of the 271 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,720 other podcasts I've done, and what I've talked about it is 272 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:04,880 that it's so easy to like allow what a thing can be like an IP, 273 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,640 right? If you want or a game or a genre 274 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,520 to be stuck within the idea of what the people making it want 275 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,360 it to be, right. You know, whereas all these 276 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,840 different people collaborating and working together and 277 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,240 providing their own spins on what the Blues can be, but are 278 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,760 just completely different to anything that I could write from 279 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,920 my own experience. And you know, never mind once 280 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,960 you add art and editing and layout and you know, everything 281 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,560 else that goes into making one of these things. 282 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,040 So you just, it's one of the most rewarding things to do 283 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,440 because beyond that initial idea of like, hi, I want you to make 284 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,840 a project. Everything that's happened here 285 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,680 is like these incredible creatives going off and making 286 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,960 their own thing within our kind of sandbox, you know, and then 287 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,320 going off and building whatever castles and rivers and, you 288 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,440 know, snow angels they want to do. 289 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,280 Because we were doing our thing. We knew what our orbital Blues 290 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,880 was. But how could I ever know what 291 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,120 someone else saw the Blues would be. 292 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,280 All the orbital Blues is going to happen at the table of people 293 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,720 who are playing with this stuff in the end, which is why it's so 294 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,359 exciting. It's like it will bursting into, 295 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:13,079 you know, possibility. Yeah. 296 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,800 That's one of the things I find interesting about these months 297 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:25,720 and, and in general, because if you have the game to, you can't 298 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,400 just make something and think you're going to have a month on 299 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,680 back or get it has to have it a community behind it. 300 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,040 And Orbital Blues absolutely does. 301 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:33,720 And one of the interesting things about indie games is the 302 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,480 number of people that hack a game and make it into something 303 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,520 that the creator could have never imagined, like you said. 304 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,280 So I, I, that's always something that has driven me towards the 305 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,240 indie scene and everything else is just the ability to have so 306 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,040 much for one thing that is different than even what it was 307 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,600 intended to be. And the cool thing about the 308 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,200 backer kit months is the crystallization of that where 309 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,000 not only do you get to see all these different facets of a 310 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,840 game, but it all, it all works together. 311 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,920 And Backer Kit does a really cool job of something that 312 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,120 Kickstarter would never do because let's be honest, they 313 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:07,840 don't really give a shit about TRPGS. 314 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,280 The cross collaborations that that are available not only 315 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,480 through all of a ton of backer kit projects, but specifically 316 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,440 through the month. But even the way the project 317 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,120 itself is displayed on the backer kit page where when you 318 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,160 do the month, you're not having to dig through. 319 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,640 Like if you do Zenquest, there's no real way to pull out all 320 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:29,880 projects that are doing Zenquest. 321 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,560 But when you're doing the Backerikit months, like I have 322 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,520 the project page open right here for Orbital Blues Month and we 323 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,640 can talk about literally the Orbital Blues Month page that 324 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,240 starts it off way. Go explore through all of the 325 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,280 different pages. And I love that they do this 326 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,720 little logo thing for for everything that they do and then 327 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,720 be able to dig through all the projects individually. 328 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,560 So the way Backer Kit puts this together, they do a really, 329 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:59,320 really fantastic job. Do you think that if you had 330 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,120 wanted to do this not on backer kit, let's say before backer kit 331 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:06,080 month was happening, do you think you would be able to 332 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,400 corral these like 6 projects together into something similar 333 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,200 to this on on Kickstarter? Or is it pretty much just this 334 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,760 specific way that Backer kit puts the platform together that 335 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,560 makes it a little bit easier, a little bit more manageable? 336 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:25,000 I'm sure it could be done, but it would be a case of trying to 337 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,200 fit a, a round peg into a square hole, right? 338 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,880 And whereas budget kit will just make you a whole, right, if you 339 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,320 are excited enough about something and you know, you can 340 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,560 suggest a feature which will drive value, right? 341 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,320 They will literally build it for you, right? 342 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,920 The, and it's been very interesting, like being involved 343 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:54,280 in sort of a different project management, like project people 344 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,280 management, like being account managed, which is like very 345 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,480 boring from a, you know, perspective. 346 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,320 And it's not like I, I do not have a very good relationship 347 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,880 with people at Kickstarter and I'll continue to work with them 348 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,320 on projects which I feel like are a good fit. 349 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:13,680 Like the way kind of the market spec I've seen for at the moment 350 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,080 is that the USP of back kit for me are the pledge management 351 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,240 tools. The and the the collaboration 352 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,880 months where it's like I still think individual projects more 353 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,000 people are browsing Kickstarter. So if I am bringing the people 354 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,360 with me like I am with all of the Blues, I want that product 355 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:35,480 from back kit. Whereas if I'm trying to find 356 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,680 new customers like I am with like a new IP like Doom Spiral, 357 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,880 right, that would certainly live on Kickstarter. 358 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,880 And that's kind of because I think there's more people 359 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,880 browsing it, even though like some of the new features might 360 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,320 not be as tip top pledge manager hasn't caught up yet. 361 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,120 Back at 1:00. But if there's still a place for 362 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:56,960 it to exist and like we have ran something like this on 363 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,840 Kickstarter, yeah, we could have done, but it wouldn't have had 364 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:07,600 the same like features built for it. 365 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:14,280 That chip hard ready to go. So I'm and obviously like this 366 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,760 stuff wasn't invented for TCRPGS. 367 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,280 You know, it really comes from like the events like pin Topia, 368 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,320 right? It's like where all this 369 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,360 collaboration month actually stems from, you know, mother 370 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:29,320 ship month is just, even though we think of that as the first 371 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,840 kind of thing, it's really just them using the pin Topia and the 372 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,520 Zen type of technology for a specific game. 373 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,920 And when it's applied to a community, like a group of 374 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,440 people both from a design community and a fan community, 375 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,680 that's when it starts to get really exciting to me, you know, 376 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,040 and that really levels up the potential for what project could 377 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,840 be, you know, So I, it could have been done, but it would 378 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,600 have been less, I think it would have been less successful at the 379 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,720 moment. Like in a few years maybe that 380 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,720 won't be the case. But right now it's definitely 381 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,160 the kind of the USP for at the moment at least. 382 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,280 Yeah, it, you know, it seems like that's really the one of 383 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,720 the key features that Back Cricket has now that Kickstarter 384 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,640 doesn't honestly, is usability across the entire site. 385 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,040 And I think possibly maybe being a backer thing for so long, like 386 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,000 needing to build in every bell and whistle to be able to put 387 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,040 stuff together might have helped them. 388 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,040 But like you said, Pintopia, Pocketopia, Zintopia, and now 389 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,080 all these months it, it just feels like the entire thing is 390 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,640 extremely, as I said, accessible for multiple projects with the 391 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,400 collaborations, with the months with, with all of it together 392 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,400 and having these like hub, the, the technology to create these 393 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,680 basically hubs for everything. Like you can imagine them 394 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,680 putting out something that has 100 projects and easily being 395 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,400 able to just go to the explorer page and hitting one of their 396 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,280 little icons and being able to find it a lot easier. 397 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,000 When once again, like if you try to do the inquest on on 398 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,040 Kickstarter, you're hoping that someone puts together another 399 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,520 website that'll that'll somehow put it together for you. 400 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,280 So that's definitely the thing that I've seen as as a backer of 401 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,840 way too many projects that backer kit has done really, 402 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,680 really well. And I think it's really good for 403 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,360 them. You know, eventually, you know, 404 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,640 maybe they'll get as big as Kickstarter is as far as the 405 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,360 ability to to create new people. But until then, I think the 406 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:24,320 ability to to link like minded people together has been very 407 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,440 successful for them and it's been really, really cool to see. 408 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,240 Absolutely. Now you got over the Blues. 409 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,040 Is is is a big thing that you guys do and we'll talk more 410 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,440 about some of the projects here on Orbital Blues Month, but you 411 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,480 have other games. Do you think there's a future 412 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,040 where there's like a soul Muppet month or like another month for 413 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,320 like a different game you guys have? 414 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,320 Or do you think Orbital Blues is kind of the one that's most 415 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,080 successful and accessible for for like a third party market 416 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,840 for that so? You don't want to make any 417 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:00,320 promises, but like I feel like couple years ago, I think a best 418 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,080 left buried month could have done quite well. 419 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,600 It's got like a, you know, a couple people writing the 420 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,080 occasional bit of third party stuff for at the moment. 421 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,120 The thing I'd really like to get off the ground is paint the town 422 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:11,440 red month. I think that could be really 423 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,800 cool. I'd love to make like a sort of 424 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,680 really log mega campaign in between a couple different 425 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,560 people and kind of see where we go from there. 426 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,920 So like that's what I'm kind of eyeing up for next year. 427 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,360 If we feel like we can make it work, but obviously it's very 428 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:34,160 contingent on getting the right people and obviously the 429 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,160 understanding that paint the Town right is not going to be as 430 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,000 big a game as all the Blues, right. 431 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,880 It's definitely the biggest thing we make by a reasonable 432 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,840 margin, and I think it's past the time where Best of Buried 433 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,040 could support that kind of play. I think people are playing it, 434 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,880 but it's like a sort of real hardcore cult classic game, a 435 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,120 little bit broggier than what else we make. 436 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,680 So I think there's worlds for it in the future. 437 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,120 There's definitely games I would like to run collaboration months 438 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:11,640 for, but I really like the idea of like potentially what we're 439 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,160 trying to do is run like 2 projects a year, one of which is 440 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:21,440 a new thing on hit starter and the other which is a a re 441 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,000 release of an existing game with a new thing on that kit as a 442 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,560 collaboration month. That's like my dream scenario at 443 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,680 this point. But obviously I we can't do an 444 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,640 all the police month every year like that. 445 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,560 Would that would burn us out, Never mind the never mind the 446 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320 the fans and we'd have to look at something else. 447 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,600 So maybe paint the town right, But I think like Orbital Blue 448 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,720 sits in a really specific position for us right now. 449 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,000 So and I wouldn't want to, you know, I'd only want to run this 450 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,840 sort of thing if I know it's going to be a really big 451 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,800 success. You know, maybe we'll do a best 452 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,280 left very second edition at some point or a third edition, I 453 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,440 guess at this point, considering technically deeper is a new 454 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,000 version of the rules after the original Z version. 455 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000 But you know, I think what would that be? 456 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,880 Best left very deepest, best left buried. 457 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,920 You got it already. Bottom. 458 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,920 Yeah. Best left, Barry. 459 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,480 Rock bottom. Yeah, like. 460 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,360 You. You. 461 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,520 In the future, but in the future, you know. 462 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,360 I got to be honest, I would I would love more best left Barry. 463 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,000 It's one of my favorite things you guys have put out. 464 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,000 Vibes are Immaculate. So yeah, I would not. 465 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,160 I would. I would definitely back best 466 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,520 left Barry deepest in the future. 467 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,040 But the thing with the months too though is that realistically 468 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,320 in in the case of crowdfunding, as someone who once again has 469 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,760 never crowdfunded something but is backed way too many 470 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,240 crowdfunds a year is not a lot of time. 471 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,520 Like I mean we still have not received mothership month 1 472 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,400 stuff and we've already had mothership month 2 and I assume 473 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,720 we'll have a mothership month 3 next year, so. 474 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:06,520 It's only been announced Month 26 is in October. 475 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,600 Yeah. Which is again, like, I 476 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,520 hopefully we have mothership month 1 stuff by the time we 477 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,040 have Mothership month 3 come out. 478 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,720 A year is not a lot of time for crowdfunding because you have to 479 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,320 do the project, then you have to actually like wait for the 480 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,640 funds. If there's something that needs 481 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,120 to be produced, that has to be produced. 482 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,760 If there's stuff going on overseas, the world is burning 483 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,160 what as always. And you got to get all that 484 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,040 stuff done and shipped and and put together and distribute and 485 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,760 stuff. A year is not a lot of time to 486 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,240 do something every single month that seems and crazy. 487 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,560 Let's just do bi. Let's do biannual people. 488 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,720 Let's do this. Yeah, yeah. 489 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,120 I mean, like the, the, the place where I'm at at the moment is 490 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:53,440 like I, my goal always is to have the project I did most 491 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,360 recently released digitally before I do my next craft friend 492 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,440 project, right? Because otherwise I'm running 493 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,880 three projects at a time and that is just insanity, right? 494 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,160 You know, and also actually I've already written about 2/3 of the 495 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,960 game and got about 1/3 of the art for the thing that's coming 496 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,800 out in six months, right? So right now in some market 497 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,640 we're fulfilling that as hell, which is printed even though it 498 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,720 crowdfunded last April. We're working on the doom spiral 499 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,040 layout now, which hopefully will be done by UK Games Expo. 500 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,160 We've then got, you know, this is coming out at the moment. 501 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,480 Sam and Josh are working on their book. 502 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,720 There's all those things ongoing. 503 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,640 I'm currently working on my next game releasing in November, 504 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,680 which I'm writing. It's a best, it's an inevitable 505 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,240 follow up. And then also I've got people 506 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,480 writing for the game in a year's time, which is a Paint the Town 507 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,040 Red adventure that may become a collaboration month, right? 508 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,240 So at that point I've got 5 projects on the go and many of 509 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,840 those have multiple bits to them. 510 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,240 You know, Matters How has a core book, the Radicals Handbook, 511 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,680 which was done at the time, at the time we launched it, but 512 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,400 also the Scarred and the field guy telling Earth and the GM 513 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,360 screen. That's five different things. 514 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,440 And you know, even though the the layout for Matters How was 515 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,520 basically done, it's still taken as nearly nine months, a year, 516 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,000 full year actually to get the project like actually released. 517 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Because printing is the kind of the relentless ambition that I 518 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,480 bring to all this stuff is just makes it so difficult because 519 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,360 you know for matters how you know. 520 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,120 For those unfamiliar with the project, the core book is a 521 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,000 well, I can just show it on the street. 522 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,880 Yeah, those gorgeous cutouts in it. 523 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,520 You just had to. You're just taking it farther 524 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:07,680 and farther with every game. So, so this is the cover. 525 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,120 Have you seen this in real life? Did I bring this to? 526 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,240 No, I wouldn't have time. So that's the meat version. 527 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,800 It flips open like this and then there's a book inside and so 528 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,800 it's got 2 separate die cuts in it, one in the dust jacket and 529 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,960 one in the call book. And you have to do it like that 530 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,480 so you can see it all the way through. 531 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,640 And then the GM screen is the same cardboard as the book 532 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:44,120 cover, so that we did 2 alt dust jackets which fold over this so 533 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,240 you can dress it up like a, like a, like a Barbie doll with a 534 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,480 book and like, yeah, that's, I can't get that done in six 535 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,680 months, you know? What I'm saying it's the turn 536 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,240 around the layout. Designer nearly killed me so 537 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,320 like, and it's but if I didn't make a new release on 538 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,320 Kickstarter every six months, I'd go out of business because 539 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,680 the company, you know, the the industry is so addicted to 540 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,280 crowdfunding that like running everything running everything 541 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,200 sensibly and slowly. You know it's it's it's we're 542 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,200 growing out of it like, you know the the our crowdfunding 543 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,880 projects are doing a smaller percentage of our business each 544 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,480 year because, you know, we're doing a really good job of like 545 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,400 growing our retail business particularly. 546 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,760 But you know there's a lot of crowdfunding to do so yeah, even 547 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,960 even one month a year is really like a month every year would be 548 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,080 massively ambitious and also we're adding 6-5 other people's 549 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,120 stuff onto it as well. So you know I'm I'm always and 550 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,200 the funniest thing about all this is that working on those 551 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,240 five projects, which I'm currently in various stages of 552 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:02,040 right matters how doom spiral orbital Blues, it's the boss 553 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:09,160 paint the town red. But one point in 2022, I had 22 554 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,960 different books on the go, right between my work at Romo and 555 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,520 Decard of my work here. And I was like, that's just not 556 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,840 possible. Nothing's getting done, you 557 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,440 know? And whereas, you know, this 558 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,360 modest 5 projects, which in reality is me doing a little bit 559 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,000 of writing when I have some time, me hiring some people for 560 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,440 two projects, doing layout for one, doing printing for another, 561 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,680 and doing active project management for all of the Blues, 562 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,320 which is what's on right now is, is more sustainable. 563 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,960 But it's still a lot of work. And you know, the way that we 564 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:47,480 put all this stuff out is that I work really hard and I have a 565 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,080 lot of ADHD and that gets it all done and it's impressive and it 566 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,520 happens and it comes. But like, you know, being 567 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,800 sustainable is like a big goal. And I feel like I'm sustainable 568 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,760 backers as well, because you don't want to outstrip people's 569 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,840 abilities to actually play the games because people playing the 570 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,320 games is what actually keeps the business alive, right? 571 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,280 Because they play it, they have fun and they want to do more and 572 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,200 they want to buy the next thing. You know, we well, I just if we 573 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,520 sort of. Hit playing the game paying for 574 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,640 the game as well is the other issue too. 575 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,080 If you people can't go special edition 200 stuff every six 576 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,720 months a lot so. And that's kind of quite 577 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,960 important to me that like the digital pledges for over the 578 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,360 Blues Month, we try to keep them really modest, really sensible. 579 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,640 There's only 6 projects you can walk away with, you know, 6 580 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,320 digitals and a copy of Outlaws and Corporations with physical 581 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,640 alongside all your physical goodies, including the 582 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,040 collaboration set and the adventure that I'm writing in 583 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,160 Zoom form. I think it's for like 120 lbs, 584 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,320 so like $150.00. So like if you do that, you're 585 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,960 going to get 6 orbital Blues books. 586 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,000 Obviously some of those will be PDFs, but and only one batch of 587 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,600 shipping as well. So, you know, hopefully the goal 588 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,560 is that. And one of the things we have 589 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,199 seen is that because we've been a little bit smaller and 590 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,440 everything, you know, I've kind of encouraged everybody to keep 591 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,400 their standard pledge in vertical was quite low. 592 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,920 We've we've got a massively higher backed every project 593 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,080 percent than you would have on something like mouse rhetorical 594 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,960 shipment. You know, you know, and I'm 595 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,760 really happy that all of the all the Blues fans have come with us 596 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,239 on that because like, you know, running this sort of thing and 597 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,080 finding out that actually we've without stripped the fans, 598 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,760 without stripping the scene is, is really, really good. 599 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,120 You know, of the of the backers. I've just literally just typed 600 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,639 the word month into Google because I'm trying to find the 601 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,000 actual number that is all the Blues month. 602 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,960 Total Blackers 2376. Yeah. 603 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:09,360 And of those, you know, but yeah, of the total like 1200 604 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,600 backers, like 180 of them have come in for everything, for one 605 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,320 of each project, which is really amazing. 606 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,200 That's so much better than the equivalent insane mother, shit 607 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,480 mother. I think that number is like 5%, 608 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,000 you know? So I'm really happy that like 609 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,160 everybody's been with us and excited because obviously back 610 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,040 in 27 projects is mad, right? You know, So, but you know, even 611 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,600 our 6 plus percentages, it doesn't matter. 612 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,840 It's not competition, but it's exciting. 613 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,520 But like everyone's come with us on this little journey, on this, 614 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,720 well, this big intergalactic journey, you know? 615 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,840 Yeah, You know, it's not competition, but it's good to 616 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,920 see those numbers too because we've discussed this on the show 617 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,280 before and I think it might have been during Mouse Writer Month 618 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:02,040 where that is it? The months are interesting and I 619 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,480 do think that there is a positive and a negative to the 620 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,720 months in that it's really cool that a project gets so much 621 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:11,040 focus on it, right. But it is incredibly difficult 622 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,280 for everyone to back all the projects they want to back in 623 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,320 one short period of time. If say a project, say it has 10 624 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,680 projects, if one of those backed a month, more people might be 625 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,840 able to back them because each month they might be able to do 626 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,880 one versus having to drop all 10 at once. 627 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,920 So there is a little bit of of a give and take in that and I do 628 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,880 really like that you guys kept it to like 6 projects because a 629 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,120 mouse shooter had was it 16 something like that which is. 630 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,760 Mother Ship Month 25 was 27 projects. 631 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,280 Which is insane. And I, I, to me again, I think 632 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,440 that one of these months, a year is really going to start 633 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,400 weighing on people. I would much prefer for me 634 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,480 personally, if they cut that in half and they just split that 635 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,840 across and had more of like a two year window for, for the 636 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,680 things that they want to do. I think that'd be at the end of 637 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,000 the day, like more reasonable not only for the creators, but 638 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,520 for the backers and for the market that we currently exist 639 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,840 in with production and distribution. 640 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,120 So we'll see how it goes. I I love that the project is 6 641 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,880 because I definitely did back all six and it didn't break the 642 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,440 bank. Even get physicals with all the, 643 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,720 with the orbital blue stuff versus trying to back all of, 644 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,040 you know, mouse shit or something like that. 645 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,080 Like even if you go pretty light with the Zenes, which is what 646 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,480 they did, it adds up really, really quickly. 647 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,240 And, and not wanting to miss out on a lot of great projects makes 648 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,520 it hard for people. So I, I would much prefer to see 649 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,240 over the Blues month this year with only six projects and maybe 650 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:40,400 another thing next year, the year after with another 5 or 6 651 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,760 projects. And I think that sounds more 652 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,720 sustainable for everybody then then going crazy. 653 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,320 But you know, some projects have just a lot of, of, you know, big 654 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,320 third party scene. But I will say, and I'll say 655 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,360 this again, I showed this off a little bit before. 656 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,080 You are not allowed to make a book as big as inevitable again 657 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,800 because I've run out of shelf space and all my shelves are 658 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,880 shorter than this. So this is this is all soul 659 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,120 muppet and this is inevitable here way at the top. 660 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,320 So shorter books than inevitable through just just for the 661 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,920 future. You gotta, you gotta. 662 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,640 I'll see what I. Can do. 663 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,880 I do have to consider your shelf space as one of my primary 664 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,280 production design concerns. Which as you should. 665 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,480 That's my point. That's what I'm saying. 666 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,960 I'm just letting you know now that that's an important thing 667 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,640 that you have to keep in mind and consider. 668 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,800 Is it going to kill you to know I'm making another a four book 669 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,880 by the end of the year? I mean, Doom Spiral is that big 670 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,080 as well. Doom Spiral is a four, so you'll 671 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,720 be in danger there. Why are you doing this? 672 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,520 Why are you doing this, man? I'm. 673 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,720 Sorry. So Doom Spiral is really going 674 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:49,720 to be that big. Yeah, a four like it's 75,000 675 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,360 words I think. No, 8585 it's. 676 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,000 Massive you got to do like B4. That's a good size book. 677 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,600 See how it goes. How are you with US letter? 678 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,520 Do you prefer that to a four? Fuck American sizes of 679 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,160 everything. Give me a everything because it 680 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,360 makes sense. You know, I'll take an A5A6A4 681 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,840 all day before I'll do anything. My game I dropped in an A6 682 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,600 because I was like fuck these American sizes. 683 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,960 So we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll figure it out. 684 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,080 I'll just have to create a whole do. 685 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,320 I'll just chop a part of the shelf out just for your books. 686 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,480 But so, so you do have 6 projects on. 687 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,840 I know we, we talked about them a little bit and Outlaws and 688 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,360 corporations. I want to dig into that a little 689 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,520 bit more because you, you are doing something. 690 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,800 Let me mute this because it's going to make me talk. 691 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,040 There it goes for those watching live on back, KID. 692 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,120 Thank you. So outlaws and corporations, 693 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:50,160 you're doing something really cool with this project that I've 694 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,680 only seen in if I think about my shelves 2 two other books. 695 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,440 You're doing the the the flip book and you said that. 696 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,920 The. The Yeah, What's it called 697 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,040 again? Tet besh. 698 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:08,120 It means like tet besh in French. 699 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,520 Literally right right there on the screen as I'm as I'm looking 700 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,280 at it, it looks fantastic. So I know you talked a bit about 701 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,720 why you want some friction with that, but like what expand on 702 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,600 that a little bit? And also like what is the 703 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,920 production like when you decide to flip a book upside down? 704 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,640 Is it literally as easy as in layout, you just turn the pages 705 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,840 upside down? Or is there more to go into 706 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,960 production of a book like that? So the file prep is really easy, 707 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,920 like you just make APDF and then you smash it together and flip 708 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,200 it in Adobe. It's not very hard. 709 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,280 The bit that's a bit more challenging has been sort of, it 710 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,080 has to be really tightly planned because like what we've been 711 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,960 attempting to do is we agreed the different bits of what was 712 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,080 going to be in this book right at the start because Josh is 713 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,360 writing 1/2, Josh is doing the outlaw half, and Sam is doing 714 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,200 the corporation stuff. So we decided there needs to be 715 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,600 6 factions. They all need to be 2000 words 716 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,320 long. There's going to be 6 locations. 717 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,040 They all need to be 1800 words long and like so that they're 718 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,560 like meeting them as literally like a book inverted, right? 719 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,800 You flip to the same section and the other half of the book and 720 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,000 similar stuff will be there. And then the other bit has kind 721 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,480 of been on the art side where Josh is trying to come up with 722 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,120 like 2 distinct art styles, one of which is kind of this glossy 723 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,680 corporate style and the other of which is the kind of dustier 724 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,480 outlaw visual language that is really iconic to. 725 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,160 I mean, both of those styles are really iconic topical Blues. 726 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,800 But the kind of the need from it originally burst upon like the 727 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,520 fact that Josh wanted to do more writing for me. 728 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,880 And I was like, Josh was like, I really want to do more writing 729 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,920 because Josh did some stuff during Afterburn and really 730 00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,400 enjoyed it. And I really enjoyed Josh's 731 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,920 work. And I've obviously got a million 732 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,120 projects on the go. And I kind of said, well, you 733 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,960 guys write this book together. I'll kind of step back a bit and 734 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,160 focus more on the kind of directional side and briefing 735 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,160 and magic management running the month basically at this point. 736 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,720 And then they kind of went off. We agreed the shape and then 737 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,640 went off and just wrote it all and did all the art. 738 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:31,240 So, but you know, this isn't the first RPG book in this style. 739 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,840 You know, I'm really happy to say that I stole this idea from 740 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,600 Ronan Decker. I used to work. 741 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,800 They're doing, they've done recently or crowdfunding a game 742 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,320 called Ways and Means, which is like a heart book, which is a 743 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,400 similar vibe. You go at it one way, it is all 744 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,880 about dungeons. Oh, sorry. 745 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,640 You go at it one way, it's all about like dungeon crawling and 746 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,880 delving. You go at it the other way, it's 747 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,960 all about treasure and trading. And that meets in the middle of 748 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,040 the same way. So that was a very exciting, you 749 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,960 know, idea. And I was like, what could this 750 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,880 be for an idea? I wasn't like, I'm going to 751 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,600 steal this idea or do an Oracle Blues book. 752 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,480 But when I we kind of realized we wanted to write something 753 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,760 about like the factions and the setting going like out here's a 754 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,400 cool novel idea. It's like ultimately when it 755 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:25,040 comes to all the Blues, I think like and soul Muppet projects in 756 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,560 general, we've set such a bar for ourselves to be like 757 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,400 absolute weirdos with it in terms of like every project just 758 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,560 has to be bigger and crazier and weird than last with holes in 759 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,400 it. Bold leaf leather books that are 760 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,440 the same half inverted and VHS box sets full of pamphlet 761 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,560 adventures. Like we couldn't just say and 762 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,440 here's a hardcover 6 by 9. People would laugh at me. 763 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,280 I'd lose my street cred, you know, because how would people 764 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,080 know I'm a sicko if I don't do weird stuff? 765 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,040 Yeah, gonna do sicko shit. You're not really a sicko, so 766 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,800 yeah. Yeah, exactly. 767 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,480 And I, I, I actually literally cannot tell you live on air what 768 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,960 we are doing for the project in six months because someone will 769 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,200 steal it from me and do it first. 770 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,720 So I'll have to tell you about it basically another project 771 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,560 like another in about 6 months or just after the show. 772 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,360 Yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's a constant like commitment to 773 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,120 the bit, essentially. And like eventually I'm going to 774 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,760 run out of weird shit to do with books. 775 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,840 And when that happens, I think I'll just like retire and make 776 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,880 shoes or something, you know? I don't know, Probably that's 777 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,120 that's a bad. I'll do something else, you 778 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,280 know. Something but. 779 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,000 For now, there's runway left to go. 780 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,800 So on top of the fire project, you have the core project here 781 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,880 is Outlaws and Corporations, the Ted bash we're talking about 782 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,720 right now when people go to backer kit right now, I mean 783 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,480 projects funded, which is absolutely fantastic, pushing 784 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,080 800 backers for it and you still have almost half the month left 785 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,320 to go, which is great when they actually go to the project page 786 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,200 and choose to back this project. What all you know, what all 787 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,480 sticko shit are we getting with this project like we got with 788 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,160 the rest of the stuff? What all is what all is coming 789 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,160 with Outlaws and Corporations on top of what I assume is the 790 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,600 ability to click a button and grab everything. 791 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:18,880 I think that's previously been out for it. 792 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,040 Yeah, so the actual new things we're developing for the month 793 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,000 for for the Outlaws competition really slim. 794 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,920 It's just the book, right. I didn't want to be like, hey, 795 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,600 we're doing a book that we're doing this, we're doing that, 796 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,120 we're doing this, we're doing that because like that would 797 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,520 take the oxygen out of the room of these other people who I 798 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,520 really want to support. So actually in terms of like 799 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,000 projects were saw Muppet, it's just Outlaws Corporations, that 800 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,520 is £40.50 bucks. That's what you need. 801 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,400 You can get bundles of all the previous stuff, you know, the 802 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,240 core book and there's a collection for Give Me 803 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:57,520 Everything right. But the other stuff we're doing 804 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,760 is kind of more to do with the cross collaboration nature of 805 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,920 the month, right? So the other bits you can get is 806 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,120 if you buy. So all of the projects, each of 807 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,320 them is an orbital Blues project and all the Blues is about 808 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,560 music. So I went to my friend Behold, 809 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,600 and I said, hey, I want you to make me a song for each one of 810 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,840 these six projects. And that is like themed to the 811 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,920 vibes, but still part of a cohesive whole. 812 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,880 And then he's smashing out at the moment, this amazing album 813 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:41,240 of different songs, which you can get as a as a physical 814 00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:44,400 cassette if you bat 4 projects at any level. 815 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,920 Well, three and Outlaws and Corporations, because I pay to 816 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,720 ship it to you. But you get it for backing a few 817 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:54,640 projects. And alongside that, there's like 818 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,360 a sticker pack with each of the stickers from the six different 819 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,520 projects that you kind of like see on the Orca Blues book page. 820 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,200 And then the other thing that we're doing is this adventure 821 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,920 I've written for Orca Blues called Atmospheric Breakup, 822 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,720 which is the if you back every single project, all six of them, 823 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,480 you get this like completionist. I think it was going to be a 824 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,560 pamphlet, but we smashed the stretch goal to turn it into a 825 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,320 Zine. So I'm currently, you know, 826 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,920 writing that Zine with the intent to run it live on stream 827 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,720 next weekend on plus one Exp with a bunch of my pals. 828 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,040 So you could watch me GM ING as well. 829 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,400 And all the links for that will be all over the Soul Muppet 830 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,000 Kickstart page. So that's happening. 831 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,240 And we've got some stretch goals for other stuff we want to do. 832 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:50,080 The one that I'm really fucking excited for, the most excited I 833 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,960 think I've ever been for a stretch goal is the map, Josh. 834 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,720 We've always really resisted doing an orbital Blues map 835 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:02,640 because I feel like, you know, making a map of the Galaxy 836 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,480 suggests a sort of finite Canon, which we've always just been so 837 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,680 averse to. But we've decided to focus on 838 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,360 like a specific region of the Galaxy called the Reach, which 839 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,000 is like the sort of old frontier between the belt, which is like 840 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,960 the outer rim basically like the expansionist edge where there 841 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,160 barely is anything. And the galactic call, there's 842 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,360 the Reach. And Josh is going to be doing a 843 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:34,600 map of the Reach with and then I'm going to skew morphic in 844 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,600 universe map with a bunch of stuff on it. 845 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,400 And that will be detailing all the sort of major worlds, major 846 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,160 systems, all the different, you know, bits that exist in the 847 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,560 existing adventures and a bunch of stuff fill the gaps as well. 848 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,800 And then on the other side of that enormous A1 poster we're 849 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,040 going to be doing is going to be a load of tools and 850 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,840 spreadsheets. Not spreadsheet, sorry, tools 851 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,800 and tables and tips for like running a galactic scale or 852 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,600 Blues campaign, you know, all the different sort of like 853 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,400 travel tables and locations and different sort of networks of 854 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,760 things. You might need a bunch of 855 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,240 products. And that's our 60K stretch goal. 856 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:18,640 That is going to be like the rabbit sicko shit that I'm 857 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,680 really excited for and like going to a printer and saying, 858 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,840 hi, can you make me a A1 folding map, please? 859 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,920 And most of them sort of develop aneurysms trying to think about 860 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,360 having to fold it that much. But we're going to do it. 861 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,840 And Josh is going to be a freak and I'm going to be a freak 862 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,840 about how much for freak Josh's. And then if we hit, I think it's 863 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:44,600 75 K, my amazing friend Galen Brochure is going to be doing 864 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,560 another poster for a really iconic spaceship, which I'm 865 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,320 going to write an adventure to call the back off for the looks 866 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,880 of it. So just more, more and more 867 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,880 successive stuff. But right now that's kind of all 868 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,760 in the stretch goal territory. And all of those are going to be 869 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,760 made available digitally for free for all the backers of 870 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,280 them. So you know, there will be some 871 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,720 extra bits to add, but your £40 call book or your £20 call book 872 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:18,280 PDF will also get you this if we hit the stretch goal galactic 873 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,880 map and then whatever an operation goals you hit by 874 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,560 backing bot projects. So I'm, and obviously beyond all 875 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,920 that I was just talking about, there's five other projects, all 876 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,240 of which contain all that amazing stuff. 877 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,680 Yeah, very, very excited for all of them. 878 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,400 Excited for that. Those specifically those maps 879 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,760 sound fantastic and you're only about 7 1/2 K away from at least 880 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,600 a 60K stretch goal which is incredible. 881 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,800 Like halfway through the project so I really open both posters 882 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,000 happen. You said the map is folding. 883 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,720 Is the poster being folded or mailed in a tube? 884 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:00,400 I will not be mailing anything in a tube brother. 885 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,240 That is why things fold up. Do you think this is my first 886 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,560 rodeo? Do you think I like shipping 887 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,400 things in tubes by volumetric weight? 888 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,680 Tubes are great because then you don't get fold lines in the 889 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,840 poster, you know? No, but they also cost $1 890 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,760 million to. Shoot, I know, I know, I know, I 891 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,920 know that. Just put it on the back. 892 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,120 I. Feel like have a tube? 893 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,680 Option. Particularly, particularly for 894 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,280 what it's trying to do, you actually want crease lines in 895 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,280 your galactic map, right? You want it to be weathered. 896 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:35,400 I will be manually weathering every single map with sandpaper 897 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,560 before we set. There you go right on the edges. 898 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,320 Notice I said, is the poster going to be in a tube? 899 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,360 Because the map, you're right, has to be folded. 900 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,680 So so it's got to be it's got to be. 901 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,800 That absolutely makes sense because it's basically says on 902 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,960 their fold out map, which for those old enough to remember 903 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,840 using those that that'll hit you right in the nostalgia. 904 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,400 So so you're here on the show and it's it's always great 905 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,120 talking to you, but I've seen you all over the Internet on a 906 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,520 bunch of other podcasts recently. 907 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,920 So for those that are trying to get more info, more stuff, more 908 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,000 of you as this project goes on, what what are some of the other 909 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,520 podcasts that they can catch that you've been on recently or 910 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,640 that you're going to be coming up on? 911 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,240 So I did the Yes Indeed podcast with Thomas Manuel of Rascal 912 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:22,480 fame. You'll be able to find that 913 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,520 online. The guys from Why We Roll That 914 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,480 Still Feat Studios did an entire Blues Month series. 915 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,720 I did an episode. There was one with Wes Franks, 916 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:39,800 there was one with Adam Stations, and there was one with 917 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:46,040 my good friend Josh Dramatsky. You can also find me on 3rd on 918 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,600 the Tabletop Corp podcast from Third Floor Wars that should be 919 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:57,680 coming out in the next few days. Also did weight roll that again 920 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,960 with my good buddy Alex mix up pixels. 921 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,960 That was kind of a lot about like community building and like 922 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,320 growing again, like specifically about like growing all the Blues 923 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,280 from like an original project that did OK into like a much 924 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,160 bigger success than it is now. And then obviously the other 925 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,800 thing you'll be able to see me do that I mentioned is that 926 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,120 atmospheric breakup actual play stream that will be happening on 927 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:32,200 plus one Exp on the 25th and 26th of April. 928 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,160 So the last weekend of the campaign month at 11:00 PM 929 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,080 Eastern. I don't know what that is in in 930 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,840 West Coast money, but. 8:00 AM, 11/8, 8:00 PM Early. 931 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,360 Yeah, yeah. Wrap it up with plus one over 932 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,440 there. Yeah, just, I mean, getting 933 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,280 doing the whole circuit. Glad that we are all part of it 934 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,680 again. It's always a pleasure to talk 935 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,000 to you here on the show. I can't wait to see this 936 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,960 project. And I just want to clarify. 937 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,040 So the the final two stretch goals are the poster and the 938 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,160 thing and that's going to be digital. 939 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,280 But if you want them and you have the stretch goal, you got 940 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,600 to go back in and add them as a physical add on, correct? 941 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,240 So yes, but there will be a pledge manager and that is the 942 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,400 best way to do it at the end to just add it back there. 943 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,840 And I think there is a certain level above which we are giving 944 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,280 people the map. But I think it might be the Give 945 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,840 Me Everything pledge we'll be making. 946 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,600 We'll be poking people on that because like I want to get that 947 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,880 thing into as many people's hands as possible. 948 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:42,400 So it will be priced to move. If I actually had wall space to 949 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,160 put posters, I would put posters up, but every wall in my 950 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,280 apartment looks like this, so I have no place to put posters 951 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,520 unless I put them basically on the ceiling because these are 952 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,840 definitely 6 foot bookshelves. But once again, Zach, always a 953 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,680 pleasure. You know that if you're a soul 954 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,640 Muppet fan, every time a new project gets together to come 955 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,400 out, you can expect Zach here on the show. 956 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,160 I'm talking about it. So it's always great talking 957 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,920 with you. It has been too long. 958 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,960 Let's not make it that long again, and thank you for being 959 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:10,800 here. I really appreciate it. 960 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,440 Yeah, thank you so much for having me on, and thank you to 961 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,560 the listeners for listening to me ramble about Space Cowboys 962 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,000 and project management for 60 minutes or so. 963 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,640 Yeah, absolutely. You will find all the links to 964 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,120 to everything that we talked about below, maybe the links to 965 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,520 the other podcast. If I'm feeling particularly 966 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,120 awake when I'm putting this episode out, don't be surprised. 967 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,040 So check. Those out there's an update with 968 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,920 all of them on that. You can just link that I'll. 969 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,760 Just link the update to it. Perfect. 970 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,560 If I remember to do that, you'll see that below. 971 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,360 Otherwise find them. But again, thank you so much. 972 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,560 And that's going to be us for today. 973 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,040 Bye everybody. Thanks. 974 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:44,240 So much.