1 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:22,900 You know, I'm going to hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll 2 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:25,220 podcast. My name is Ryan and today I'm 3 00:00:25,220 --> 00:00:27,140 joined by Goob. How you doing this morning Goob? 4 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:29,460 Doing good. I'm doing all right. 5 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,160 Doing great best start to episode we've had so far 300 6 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:34,640 plus, and that's the first fucking time. 7 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,240 So that's that's a first. Thank you for that. 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,880 So hey, so for those who might not know who Goob is, who the 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:47,200 heck is Goob? I am a guy who sculpts 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,200 miniatures in Lai makes primarily orcs and goblins and 11 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,720 not much else honestly. But I don't know if you like old 12 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,760 hammer orcs. That's that's here it is. 13 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,920 Can't really see them like cameras. 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,800 Shitty but I mean. We did a whole thing gathering 15 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,880 pictures to start for, so I'll pop over to one right here right 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,640 now. Yeah, yeah, they're sick. 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,560 I mean I so when did I see your stuff? 18 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,040 So I went to Adepticon 2 years ago, but I knew I had no idea 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,160 what the fuck was going on. But I got to meet you this year 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,320 at Adepticon and you were faces for $5 is what I saw. 21 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,080 And then you just looked stressed for a lot of the time 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,800 where you just have this pile of miniatures in front of you and 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,800 you're just like putting faces on a bunch of stuff, which was 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,320 great. Then I got to meet you at 25 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:37,200 Fantasy Fest again and we'll we'll talk about all of that 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,320 stuff. But how, how was Adepticon? 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,800 This year was pretty good. It was fun. 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,800 I usually most, I mostly just use it as an excuse to actually 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,760 go visit friends and everything because it's like I, I don't 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,640 like carrying my miniatures to go play games to other states 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,320 like that. Because I, I have like this 32 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,880 irrational like thought that even though I like like double 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,520 gloss coded and then Matt coded and everything, but like, you 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,880 know, it's just going to get scuffed up on an airplane or 35 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,520 something. And it's like I spend hours 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,240 painting this. It's a point it's I'm gonna have 37 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,840 to get over it sooner or later, honestly. 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,720 But Adeptagon was good. I saw a lot of Milwaukee or a 39 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,680 lot of Wisconsin actually, not just Milwaukee. 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,800 Went to Tanner, showed me a bunch of cool shit. 41 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,240 We went to a place called House on the Rock. 42 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,480 That's pretty badass. It's a it's like a fever dream 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,920 of a space. Like you just have to look it up 44 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:28,760 and go into I'm not going to go into a lot of detail at the 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,320 moment just to save some time right here. 46 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:36,600 But it was always cool to see friends just walking around the 47 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,480 vendor hall buying some shit that I would otherwise pay 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,520 shipping on. And if I ordered it from home, 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,240 you know, the faces for $5 thing that was just kind of like, hey, 50 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,760 I spent too much money buying this. 51 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:57,360 I think I have it right here. Hold up a Marauder war waiver. 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,400 Oh, it's going to be blurry. Why like a like mint in box for 53 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,520 like 100 bucks, which is like way out of my budget. 54 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,320 I wasn't planning to spend anything but I also ate 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,120 deliciously and drank too hard so I needed to replenish that 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,640 fast. And the I just figured I'd do a 57 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:17,040 little sign and be like hey, give me a model and I'll make a 58 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,480 stupid little face on it. Which was a lot more lucrative 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,800 than expected at a depth of cop. I did it at Fantasy Fest and 60 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,320 nobody gave gave a shit because that's a completely different 61 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:28,480 crowd. I underestimated the fact that 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,920 people aren't walking around with pockets full of random 63 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:39,440 little little guys here in LA as they do in Milwaukee for a game 64 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,200 convention, you know, like tabletop gaming thing. 65 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,040 But yeah, no, I mean, Adapticon is always a good time. 66 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,040 It's just like the first time you go, it's really, it's a lot. 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,480 It's a lot bigger than you think it is. 68 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,080 And it's, it's kind of fucking crazy. 69 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,920 The, the fact that this could just like, like the vendor hall 70 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,800 alone is incredible. Like you can go every day and 71 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,440 you could probably still find and dig through random shit and 72 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,560 find new shit. It's cool, though. 73 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,760 It's if if you if you haven't gone, I would suggest you go. 74 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,120 Is, is the thing here? It's, it's a cool little fest. 75 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:17,360 Yeah, not. Absolutely. 76 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,000 Yeah. It's it's the second biggest 77 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,399 convention I've ever personally been to. 78 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:25,040 I went to a Gen. Con before and that was, I'm not 79 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,000 doing that again. It's like 80,000 people a day 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,480 and it's literally a whole Convention Center and like a 81 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,280 stadium too. I, I went to the vendor hall and 82 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:35,520 left the by the closest door every day and just ignored a lot 83 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,720 of it. But Adeptagon's huge. 84 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,320 But it's what's nice is it's not even the vendor hall is pretty 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,680 massive. It's not super crowded though. 86 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,200 Like you never feel like you're like Dick to ass with anybody. 87 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,360 You have a room to like walk around and stuff which is really 88 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,480 nice. Yeah, some days it gets a 89 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,800 little, it gets a little packed, but it never really gets like, 90 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:54,160 like shuffling like, yeah, like that. 91 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,960 That's the worst. That is the fucking worst. 92 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,600 Yeah. And then there's always the grim 93 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,680 dark alley hallway, whatever, which feels like a kind of like 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,640 almost a little small convention unto itself that gives you kind 95 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,680 of space to breathe a little bit and hang out, which is really 96 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,880 nice. Yeah, yeah. 97 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,480 When I went two years ago, I had, no, I knew nobody. 98 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,040 I had no idea what the fuck was going on. 99 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,640 I I had just kind of started getting in a skirmish and, and 100 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,560 war games and stuff. And yeah, it was just a lot. 101 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,320 And then this year was just like, yeah, it was so much 102 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,560 cooler. I knew a lot more people. 103 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,080 And it's a great time. I encourage everyone that's in 104 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,160 any part of, you know, this hobby space, they definitely 105 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,960 check it out at least once. But I think once you go once, 106 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,640 you're going to be like, shit, I got to do this again. 107 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,080 But why is it 5 days long? But but it was cool. 108 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,160 And yeah, and then and then we did Fantasy Fest, which is like 109 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:46,200 you said, it's very to me, as as an LA native yourself, the every 110 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,760 time someone asked me about it, my first response is always 111 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,680 like, it was very LA. The entire thing was pretty much 112 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,000 the most LA shit I could possibly have imagined. 113 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,440 It's so it comes with the territory, like especially when 114 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,840 it's ran by someone who's like a big brand like Brain Dead or 115 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:06,560 anything. It's it's, it was basically just 116 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,840 I, I, I, I don't like this sort of thing. 117 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,000 I don't like LA stuff. So it's like it was all people 118 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,440 who really like brain Dead, which is completely fine. 119 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,120 That's their own fan base and everything. 120 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,800 But that's why I think there was like a a weird disconnect for me 121 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,640 in the sense of like enjoying it, to which they have a lot of 122 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,280 cool shit. I'm not going to, I'm not going 123 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:34,720 to knock them on that. And everybody who went in the 124 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,120 sense of like hobby people, it's it brings fresh eyes to that. 125 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,520 So I will say that's great. That part is great. 126 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,520 I like the exposure for people who would probably appreciate 127 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,520 the exposure, but I'm just always weary of big brands 128 00:06:53,720 --> 00:07:00,520 putting their eyes on like otherwise stuff that wasn't 129 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,680 cared for really or just like little scenes. 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,880 It's just, it's I, I just have this weird thing where I feel 131 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:12,160 like it's a genuine in the sense of like trying to get profit 132 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,640 from it somehow, because that's, that's just what it feels like 133 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,600 to me, which is like if the people who are at the head, 134 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,480 those aren't their intentions and they're just using their 135 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,560 money to like kind of like completely fair. 136 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Who am I to judge? I don't fucking know. 137 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,360 But I, I'm always genuinely genuine. 138 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,320 Generally weary of like a lot of money but going into something. 139 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,640 I think we're of the same mind across the entire board. 140 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,560 I thought there was some really awesome stuff down there. 141 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,360 Like we talked about the secret headquarters booth. 142 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,560 I got to meet Lord of Skulls, the hell Apocalypse guy, which 143 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,080 was really incredible. There was a lot of like even 144 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,800 like Cave of Elemental Evil was there, which is fucking dope. 145 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,880 And and then, yeah, you know, hives come Tyler with Mark, the 146 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,480 brand, everything. It was, it was really cool. 147 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,640 There was a lot of cool stuff, but you're right. 148 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,400 Like it like I I'm newer to the community too. 149 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,600 Like I said, I've only been in the space for kind of about a 150 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,640 year. And even then you want to kind 151 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,120 of tread lightly because it's not like you're kind of getting 152 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,640 into the community. But whenever someone with money 153 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,960 suddenly appears and it's not really like part of the 154 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,120 community and you don't know like how they're going to treat 155 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,400 the community or how like their money is going to affect the 156 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,920 community afterwards. Because like, you know, you get 157 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,800 a fantasy fest and you could prop a bunch of people up and 158 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,880 then suddenly, like the attention turns to something new 159 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,200 and that like, you know, drops out from people. 160 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,520 You never know like what where it's going to be. 161 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,880 And now they're talking about like doing one in like Portland 162 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,039 OR doing 1 somewhere else. And you know, I don't think 163 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:41,120 people are super stoked on an LA brand trying to city hop to do 164 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,280 hobby stuff. So we'll see. 165 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,240 I, I, I don't, I, I really don't think that's going to fly to the 166 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:53,520 like the way they want it to. I feel like the communities in 167 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,400 those areas, like it's really up to them whether they want that 168 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,880 to happen or not, if they're probably going to do it 169 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,320 regardless. I'm not going to lie. 170 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,760 Did they get enough? Because brain again, brain dead 171 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,880 is like this humongous brand. People who like brain dead are 172 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,880 going to be like, yeah, I want brain dead in my city. 173 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,320 And that's that's the thing, the people who go to Brain Dead 174 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,640 Fantasy Fest or the people that they have asked to come. 175 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,360 So these are like the, the, the people in the hobby that they 176 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:25,120 deem worthy or deem cool enough to do so and people who are 177 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,520 brain dead fans. So that's, that's pretty much 178 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:34,360 what it boils it down to because it's like, again, no, it's, it's 179 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,800 like, you know, these like these little communities because they 180 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,400 could like choose to outright reject them or whatever just 181 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,640 because they're wary of them or whatever. 182 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,880 But it's like, I don't know, it's, it could be like a good 183 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,800 and a bad thing. I just, I just think it's like a 184 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:53,680 weird balancing act of being, I don't know people, whether 185 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,440 people are like genuinely into it or not. 186 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,280 Yeah, I think, I think one word you said is kind of how I feel 187 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,680 all the way about it. It's just like wary. 188 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,800 It's just like it was a cool event, you know, made some new 189 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,800 friends down there, saw some really cool stuff at the end of 190 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,320 the day, like, yeah, it was, it was, it was cool. 191 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,520 I'm glad it went. It was a great time. 192 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,000 It's just like, yeah, just wary of the intentions and wary of 193 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:15,880 the impact it could have on the space because, you know, like 194 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:18,840 the, the, the path to hell is paved with good intentions. 195 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,000 So we'll see. We'll see, you know, we'll see 196 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,200 if there's another one. We'll see if they take more than 197 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,200 six weeks to plan it. So it's, it's, it's a little bit 198 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,000 smooth the next time and we'll kind of see how it was. 199 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,640 But like I said, at the end of the day, it was cool. 200 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,120 I haven't been out to LA in a long time. 201 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,400 I got to to meet some friends at and got to meet you at that live 202 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,720 in LA and got to, got to, I got to meet you and say, Hey, come 203 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,480 on the show and now we're here. So, so it was cool. 204 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,640 At the end of the day, it was really cool. 205 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,280 But but winding it back, I guess all the way back. 206 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,400 So you, you, you're, you're a maker, you're a miniature 207 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,040 designer and sculptor and everything. 208 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,560 How like when did how did you get into mini sculpting And you 209 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:56,440 know, even kind of how like into the like war games and stuff in 210 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,480 general as well. OK, so like initially I, I 211 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,840 wasn't really like a miniature sculptor. 212 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,520 Like I used to make Japanese soft vinyl toys and everything 213 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,840 because that was like my interest at the time and I 214 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,040 thought it was, it's cool. Like I still have a bunch of 215 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,360 them and everything. I still have the urge to like 216 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,280 slip some every so often, you know, like Kaiju and shit like 217 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,560 that. But I didn't really like the 218 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:23,720 same. It's it's very much like there's 219 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,200 in people when there's out people. 220 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,240 But it's, it's really weird because since it's an industry, 221 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,840 it's like if you're an out person, you just won't get any 222 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,840 luck with factories to make your stuff with in Japan anyways. 223 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,040 In China, people don't give a fuck. 224 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,920 But you know, so you know, going away from this, I've always been 225 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:47,120 kind of like a fan of Warhammer 40K, Like I've always known 226 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,440 about it. I've played, you know, fucking 227 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,000 what was it Dawn of War, like the RTS and everything? 228 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,600 Like I always played that. That was pretty fun. 229 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,560 Which came hand in hand with like Warcraft 3, The Frozen 230 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:01,880 Throne and shit like that. So around the time that I 231 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,320 stopped doing the, the Japanese sub final thing, I think it was 232 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,160 around COVID. And because it was COVID, I had 233 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,640 like a lot of, you know, indoor time as we all did. 234 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,880 So I got really into watching like people paint stuff, you 235 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,480 know, and I was like, OK, that looks fun. 236 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,880 And then I started painting stuff. 237 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,640 I started getting into miniatures and everything. 238 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,640 And then once I got into like painting stuff, I got into the 239 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,680 more like characterful stuff of like old medals and everything. 240 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,200 And I was like, oh, wow, I like this. 241 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Like I really, really like this because like the draw for me for 242 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,360 the Japanese sub final initially was that a lot, a lot of it is 243 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,480 very is hand sculpted. It's very crude. 244 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,640 It's very like it's charming, you know, like it's not highly 245 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,560 detailed or anything, but it's very charming. 246 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:51,920 Like there's, there's something there. 247 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,280 Like you can tell it was, it was made by like, but like hands, 248 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,440 but like some guy who was probably paid like little to 249 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,720 nothing to do this because you know, that's what he had to do. 250 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,440 So I started getting that same vibe as into, into like the old 251 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,640 hammer stuff and I kept looking into it and everything. 252 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,320 And then I, I started buying, you know, of course, the old 253 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Night Goblins. And this was before I knew about 254 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,600 recasters and everything, which I would never buy from. 255 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:26,760 But I spent like a good, yeah, I spent like a good, I want to say 256 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:33,200 like $100 on like old night Goblins before I was like, I 257 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,320 can't, I can't keep doing this. And then I started looking into 258 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,480 the sculpting and I, I just kind of figured like, Hey, I'm a 259 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,200 sculptor. Why don't I just try to imitate 260 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,600 these little night goblin guys that have. 261 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,400 So I tried to imitate them and everything. 262 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,800 And then it's like, you know, over time, I just made a little 263 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,520 set of four. And then I, I randomly made an 264 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,680 Instagram and I'm just like, you know what, I'm going to get 265 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:55,400 these, I'm just going to post these. 266 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,400 I'm going to post my my painted miniatures and I'm going to post 267 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,920 these goblins. And then I was just some guy who 268 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,080 randomly came out of nowhere. It was just like, hey, look, 269 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,400 look at my goblins. And then people were people 270 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,480 would hit me up and they seemed kind of excited about them and 271 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,240 everything. And it's like I'm going to try 272 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,720 to find like a metal caster or something. 273 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,280 I guess I'll let you guys know. And my first little set, which 274 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,040 was like the bludgeon her boys. I think I sent a picture of them 275 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,960 to you. They have like the half red half 276 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,480 like cream robes or whatever. And they have a squig or 277 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,840 something. That was like my first foray 278 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,400 into like miniatures production and everything apart from that. 279 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,880 I was pretty seasoned in the sense of like pre-orders, 280 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,200 shipping stuff, you know, order fulfilment and everything. 281 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,960 So it's like I was no stranger to that aspect, but I just did 282 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,120 the, the miniatures and you know, I liked them. 283 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:51,080 People like them, you know, I, I, I really just do this for 284 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,520 myself. But it really does help when 285 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,320 someone's like tells you that they really enjoy your work and 286 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,760 everything because that's just like, well, cool, OK, Because 287 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,760 everything I sculpted for myself like these orcs, I really wanted 288 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,960 like the orcs from the chaos Marauder like card game box from 289 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,040 like the 80s, I think it was. So I just figured out how to 290 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,200 sculpt those faces. And I've just been doing that 291 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,760 ever since, you know, like everything just going ape shit 292 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,280 with this. And generally like whatever I 293 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,040 make kind of sells, which is really nice, even though it's 294 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,200 like, you know, something that I just I just really like like 295 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,960 traditional works of Coppins. I don't know, I'm very specific 296 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,000 to niches. Like I have a little, little 297 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,360 specific niches that I like and I'll kind of just stick to that 298 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,360 and not straight away. But I mean, you know, I feel 299 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,800 like it's turned from like Kev Adams invitation to like, you 300 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,440 know, I feel, I feel like people, people seem to be able 301 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,120 to tell like when a sculpt is buying, which is kind of cool 302 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,040 because it's like, to me, it just looks like a little goblin 303 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,480 or something. And then to other people, 304 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,920 they're like, oh, that's that guy specifically. 305 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:56,920 And I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. 306 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,960 I don't know. But that's, that's how I got 307 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,560 into it. I, I want to say I got into it 308 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:08,440 like officially like 20/21/20. Like that's when I really put my 309 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,760 foot out there. So I've been around for like 5 310 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:19,040 years now, but it's, it's dude, it's been fun. 311 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,480 Like everybody I've met through this and everything has been 312 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,840 just complete sweethearts and like night and day from like the 313 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,680 Japanese soft vinyl scene. So I really, I really value all 314 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,480 the all the nice people I have met in this scene because it's 315 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,080 like they're very accepting. They welcome you with open arms 316 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,280 and everything and it's very cool. 317 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,680 No, and like I said, I'm newer ish to the scene too. 318 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,560 But yeah, I could easily tell yours from pretty much anybody. 319 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,720 Like especially when you were doing like faces at at 320 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,320 Adepticon, like there you have a very unique style and that's one 321 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,200 thing that I really love about. I was talking to, I was talking 322 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,680 to Nick Evans from miniatures recently and we kind of got in 323 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,480 this conversation about old Hammer and new Hammer and this 324 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,600 resurgence of like really cool sculptors with a lot of 325 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,440 personality in their things. And I'm, I'm not nostalgic to 326 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,880 old Hammer because I wasn't like I didn't know Warhammer back 327 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,400 then or whatever. But like even now looking back 328 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,720 on it, one thing you said is like the personality that goes 329 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,920 into those sculpts feels so much better than like a lot of the 330 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,319 modern stuff. Like if you look at like a 331 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:19,240 premier space Marine, it looks like it was built on a computer 332 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,480 and you can't tell one from another. 333 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,000 But if you look at those old sculpts, you can be like that 334 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,280 was sculpted by someone completely different from that, 335 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,880 someone from completely different from that. 336 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,080 Like I got a buddy who literally like I busted out like a 337 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,440 cauldron war band and it had like a Reaper ogre. 338 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,080 And he literally, I don't remember the name of the person, 339 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,600 but he was like, oh, that's from that guy. 340 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,200 He did it with this line. And I'm like, that's you can't 341 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,960 do that with like a lot of the modern sculpt. 342 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,520 So with the old ones, like, I don't know, like having that 343 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,600 little bit of goofiness, having like their proportions be a 344 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,240 certain way. There's like so much personality 345 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,480 into it. And that's one thing I love 346 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,400 about your work. I mean, every since I found you, 347 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,080 I bought like all the stuff on your website because there's so 348 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,200 much personality and everything that you do like all the little 349 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,680 gobbles, like everything has like these very just distinct, 350 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,400 really interesting, you know, faces, positions, posters. 351 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,200 I'm I'm, I can't believe this is the first thing that you did for 352 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,680 for sculpting. Obviously you said you were a 353 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,280 sculptor beforehand, but these goblins look incredible. 354 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:13,240 The one with the Squigs. And then there is these guys 355 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,360 here, the one with the giant, like they have like the giant 356 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,800 hand weapons. Yeah, yeah, the the blemia or 357 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,480 whatever. Blemi. 358 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,120 Well, I wanted to make a troll, but I didn't exactly wanted to 359 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:25,560 make just like an outright troll. 360 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,000 And you don't really see any like blemias with sure like the 361 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,560 medieval like chess face men like the headless man or 362 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:38,320 whatever. And I was just thinking like, I 363 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,040 don't know what, what would be like a fun way other than just 364 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,040 like straight up weapons. So I made them kind of like 365 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,960 gesturey and I gave them like, you know, I, I, I think it was 366 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,200 like a pointing finger, a fist. And then I don't remember what 367 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,960 the other one or yeah, just little, yeah, little things 368 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,600 like, yeah, little horns. And then just like the big guy. 369 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,160 So like I was just doing little war bands. 370 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,480 Like I wasn't trying to make like regiments or anything. 371 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,400 So I was just, I would have a theme for a war band and then I 372 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,280 would keep it like that. And then just just to have like 373 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,560 a little direction now I've been trying to be more loose where 374 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,560 it's like I wanted to make just more like ragtag guys. 375 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,800 So it's like they kind of kind of fit in together. 376 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,720 But like my initial 40s into this were like, these are the 377 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,760 guys who just melee weapons. These are the guys who follow 378 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,320 this, this giant blemia guy. And they're like gestures for 379 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,360 some reason. And then I did the, my most 380 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:31,440 popular one was I think the big helmets, which I need to make 381 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,280 more of, which were just like squig proxies, which were these 382 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,520 like just goblins with these giant fucking helmets. 383 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,120 And then I just had the little legs pop out. 384 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,520 So like, people really like those because I think, I don't 385 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,120 know, I think just the idea of just like a big helmet with legs 386 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:49,800 is very appealing for whatever reason. 387 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,120 Yeah, but again, like it's just there's so much personality in 388 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,880 what you do and like, they're so unique and they don't look, you 389 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,240 know, if you go get a box of goblins, they're all basically 390 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,440 the same goblin, maybe with like a different arm or something 391 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,200 like that. And yours are. 392 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,240 I don't. Like you said, they're just so 393 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,680 incredible. And even at Adept Common, I saw 394 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,160 you sculpting all the faces and stuff. 395 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,560 It's I don't know, I don't. I am not a sculptor. 396 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,560 I have played the green stuff a little bit and I don't fucking 397 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,920 know how you did it. I saw your blog and there's like 398 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,640 how to do a little guy thing and I was like, it looks great in 399 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,960 pictures. It seems like it could be 400 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,360 something you could do but but I know somehow you you put it out 401 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:26,080 and they look incredible. Well, it's, it's just like 402 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,240 everything else. It's a cumulative, cumulative 403 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,440 skill. And it's like the more time you 404 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,640 spend on it, the better you'll get. 405 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,280 But it's like you're not going to see it. 406 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,440 You're not going to see yourself get better because it's like 407 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,440 how, how it goes. I think there's this little 408 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,040 chart that I don't remember the name of, but it's like, you 409 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,440 know, as your skill goes up, you're going to be able to like, 410 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,360 you get better at it. But then there's also like these 411 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,400 weird little times where you plateau and you feel like you're 412 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,160 not getting better. But since you're continuing to 413 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,800 do, do it, it's like after a certain point, there's like 414 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,320 little breakouts. So it's like you just, it's just 415 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,640 a constant cycle of getting better. 416 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,120 And then you're just like, I don't feel like I'm getting 417 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:03,880 better. But you are. 418 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:09,240 It's it's very, it's very odd. But yeah, green stuff is hell to 419 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,120 work with. And it's, it's like sculpting 420 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:15,800 with like the stickiest like, like just like bubble gum that 421 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,320 doesn't want to work with you and everything. 422 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,720 But it's like when when, when you when you embrace the suck, 423 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,040 you just kind of like you get good at it. 424 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,960 Like you kind of you kind of mess with. 425 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:35,360 It's like, it's, how do you say? Like it's eccentric nature? 426 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,760 It's, it's a little ecentricities or whatever and 427 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,240 it's just like you get used to it. 428 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,320 But it's, it's, it's, it's a hell of a fucking sculpting 429 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,360 medium. It's terrible. 430 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,440 But wait, wait. Which is funny to say because I 431 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,640 love it. I'm just like. 432 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,480 Do you always just sculpt with green stuff? 433 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,120 Do you ever mix any like Tamia? And do you ever do any other 434 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:58,640 like epoxy putties at all like any Miller putt, anything like 435 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,720 that, like? It's it's always green stuff, 436 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,800 pure green, pure green for the most part. 437 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:10,080 I do like using other epoxies like Timia. 438 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,240 Timia is great like that shit is amazing. 439 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,440 I don't like millipa. It's good for blocking stuff 440 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,360 out, but I don't use it because. So there's this thing with 441 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,080 epoxies. Let me just do a little tangent 442 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,680 right here. There's this thing with epoxies 443 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,280 where you can develop an allergy and it's more of like a, the 444 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,680 more you work with it, the more, the higher chance you get to 445 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,320 like develop an allergy to it. To my understanding, green stuff 446 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,480 doesn't really do that or it's known to not do that. 447 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,320 But Millipa is more of a hardware like home fix it stuff. 448 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,600 So it's a little gnarlier. So that one makes my face itchy. 449 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,680 If I work with it, I don't have to touch my face. 450 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,560 It just make like just being into the proximity of like mixed 451 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,960 green stuff. It makes me itchy like just very 452 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,920 vaguely. So I'm just like, I'm not going 453 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,400 to use it because it does that and I will enjoy that 454 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,960 particularly. Yeah, no, yeah, no. 455 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,760 And, and the thing with allergies too is like you could 456 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,880 have like nothing. You could have like a little 457 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,880 tingle one day and the very next day have like an anaphylactic 458 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,080 reaction. Like I had that like super 459 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,240 random. I got a fish allergy at 27, 460 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,480 literally ate fish and like an hour later had some leftovers 461 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,680 and the same fish that didn't give me an allergy before 462 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,560 suddenly I was like intensely allergic to fish with like the 463 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,440 same piece of fish. So like that's. 464 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,880 Fucking wild. That is terrible. 465 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,280 Yeah, yeah. It was crazy. 466 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,200 So, I mean, now I'm vegan so it doesn't matter, but like, but 467 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,920 yeah, if you're a little itchy to middle butt now, don't fuck 468 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,160 with. Yeah, absolutely stay away from 469 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,520 that shit. Like unless you're patching your 470 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,360 bathtub. Like that would absolutely make 471 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:39,960 sense to just stick with the green stuff then. 472 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:41,440 That's crazy. I had no idea. 473 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,360 I'd not heard that from anybody at all. 474 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,880 So very good to know if I start tingling while I'm playing with 475 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,040 Tamia to to just stick with green stuff. 476 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,120 Yeah. I think Tamia doesn't do that to 477 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,560 me either. So I think it's just like 478 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:58,200 there's probably like an earlier like epoxy like activator or 479 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,360 something in Milliput that just does not agree with me. 480 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:01,920 So I'm just like I'm just that's fine. 481 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,160 Well. I mean, it is Wayne Larner. 482 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,200 I mean, it's just you can say in this stuff, it's literally 483 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,240 design. Isn't it designed to like, like 484 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,800 I said, like patch bathtubs and like tile walls and stuff? 485 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,120 Like you, you, you can, it cures underwater. 486 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,560 You can use it to like fix a pipe or something like, yeah, 487 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,080 it's, it's, it's heavy duty. Like if you've ever fucked with 488 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,040 milliput, like that stuff gets rock hard, you know, like, yeah, 489 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,480 it's it's definitely for like, hey, I need to fill in this 490 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,560 little drywall like whole so I could fucking get my deposit 491 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,600 back real quick, you know, like something weird. 492 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,480 Good to know. And as far as the thing you said 493 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,800 about like the, the, like the, the talent OR the skill 494 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,440 threshold going up, do you feel that, that you had that with 495 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,280 sculpting with, with like green stuff and, and the goblins and 496 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,920 stuff, you know, especially coming from already having a, a 497 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,880 sculpting background, Did you feel when you got in, because 498 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,000 again, that that thing you said that your first batch of goblins 499 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,800 are fucking incredible. Like do do you think that you've 500 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,160 plateaued and peaked and gone up and gut or do you feel like 501 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,080 you're constantly getting better? 502 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,720 Or are you about where you want to be with what you're doing? 503 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,280 I feel like I'm constantly getting better. 504 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,560 I will say that because there are sets that I've released 505 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,800 where I look back now and I'm just like, OK, I could have done 506 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,320 that differently now. I could have made like this, 507 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,400 this body better, like a little base armature or anything. 508 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,880 And it's like you're just always going to get better is the 509 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,880 thing, because as long as you keep doing it, you're just 510 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,600 always going to find different ways to do something. 511 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,520 You're going to find better ways. 512 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,600 You're going to find ways to just cut down on time for things 513 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,160 like prepping, just, you know, maybe like you make a lip like 514 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,160 as a little spaghetti or something and then you stick it 515 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,000 on and do that when and then later down the road, you're just 516 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,480 like, oh, I could just sculpt the lip out right now and then 517 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,760 it looks better. Like, you know, just shit like 518 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:48,720 that, but it's like, you know, I'm I'm definitely I'm I'm where 519 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,840 I want to be right now, but I could definitely get better. 520 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,320 I will keep improving and the more I do this, that's for sure. 521 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:00,400 But you know, like I'm doing like little little things that I 522 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,440 wouldn't really think that I would be able to do before, 523 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,760 which is nice in the sense of just like, you know, back then 524 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,280 when I was making those guys, I was doing like a goblin. 525 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,680 I was doing like a whole a couple of days to sculpt the 526 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,760 goblin or something. Whereas now I just have like, 527 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,840 you know, I can make like a whole guy mostly done in like a 528 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,040 day and then finish him over the course of like another day. 529 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,480 If I really like hammer it on. Because it's like, if I want to 530 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,560 be really honest, I would want to say like the accumulated 531 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,640 time, accumulated time to like sculpt. 532 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,040 One guy is probably anywhere from like 8 to 12 hours, maybe 533 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,760 depending of just specific, just sculpting. 534 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,360 Like I'll do maybe like two or three hours a day sprinkled over 535 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,080 like a week. But it's like the grant. 536 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,880 It just accumulates to like around 12 hours or so depending 537 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,400 even less if I, if I use like one of my prior sculpts that I 538 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,640 just like butcher and then use that to make new miniatures, 539 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,680 which is what they used to do in like the 80s and 90s. 540 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,880 Because it's like you can only you can only like fucking. 541 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,560 I treated a guy like a workhorse so many times before. 542 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,320 He's like, I'll just cut off the sword and add a different sword, 543 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,400 cut off the face, add a different face, add some armor. 544 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,160 Do this and set than that. Like it was in the old Citadel 545 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,320 catalogs where it's like they will have a goblin with the same 546 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,640 pose, but his face is different, his spear is different. 547 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,920 One of them is wearing like a boot or something. 548 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,640 The other guy's got like chainmail armor. 549 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,400 It was just like a way to do it to get more out more bang for 550 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,560 your buck when it comes to like the original little masters. 551 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,360 And then you like with with these orcs that I sculpted as of 552 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,320 late, these are all done on like my orc Spearman that I released 553 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,200 before and I made them into like little little doll weapon guys. 554 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,360 I made them into fucking different Spearman, you know. 555 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,200 And it's, it's like, let's see those 3 sculpts that I did turn 556 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,560 into, I think I have like a set of six that has a double hand 557 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,120 weapons. And then I have like an extra 3 558 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,080 that I made into like the Champions retinue for like the 559 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,520 dude with two heads and all that shit. 560 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,600 So it's like what, 99 figures out of those initial 3? 561 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,880 And they all like, I like to change them enough to where the 562 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,320 silhouette is completely different, where it's like, you 563 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,680 know, once if you have them together, you could probably see 564 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,720 the similarities. But it's like much like people, 565 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,800 if you see like, you know, if you go to Mexico, everything, 566 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,680 everybody like it vaguely looks more or less the same with like 567 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,280 very degrees of like little features and everything, you go 568 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,040 to another country, same thing. It's like they're all kind of 569 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,320 the same, but with like specific little things, like they, they 570 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,800 all look like their own people. But you could definitely point 571 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,000 out like that guy's Mexican or something, you know what I mean? 572 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,360 Like, oh, those are orcs. But they all like kind of 573 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,160 different, similar but different. 574 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,120 Like like probably could give a better example or something. 575 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,080 But it's like that's how I see because it's like orcs are orcs. 576 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,880 But it's like there should be some sort of variety there be it 577 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:08,000 faces, posing, you know, different armor, like maybe this 578 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,400 guy likes shade melon, like a big helmet. 579 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,920 This other guy is completely bold and he has like leather 580 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,120 armor on. But it's like the same, the same 581 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,840 base sculpt, you know, but it's you. 582 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,640 You wouldn't be able to. You could probably pick him out 583 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,800 if you like really stared at him or had him like side by side. 584 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,960 But I want to change him up enough to where it's like, oh, 585 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,280 OK, you know, it just looks like a little ragtag regiment or 586 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,480 something. I mean, I'm looking at one of 587 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,160 your the pictures, maybe this from the website or or from your 588 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,680 Instagram, but they look like a big bunch of them are like a 589 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,000 part of the model are like white metal and then you have like 590 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,480 green over top of it. Is that what you're talking 591 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,480 about? Like you sniff a piece off and 592 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,240 do something different? I mean the go ahead, sorry. 593 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,680 No. I'll just say the other thing 594 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,400 too is like there's only so many poses kind of that you can do 595 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,440 with like a belly and two legs that like, you know, you're 596 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,760 going to do anyway. But you were saying? 597 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,840 I was going to say like, yeah, those that's exactly what 598 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,680 happened. What happens? 599 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,680 It's like all of those guys I've completely sniffed off the the 600 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,160 weapons that like varying degrees. 601 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,320 Sometimes I sniff off like arms. I I always get rid of the face 602 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,480 because it's like the what these guys like the face is just like 603 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,520 doing into the chest. It's like just this humongous 604 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,280 ass head. So it's like I have to get rid 605 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,560 of that completely to like really make a new one. 606 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,400 But it's like, yeah, it just saves time. 607 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,280 You get a different result and it adds more like variety to 608 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,640 your army and everything, I feel, or your little regiment or 609 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,760 something. But it's, it's just a time 610 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,600 saver, man. It really, really is what it is. 611 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,440 But you can have fun with it, which is nice. 612 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,480 You don't have to go through the slog of sculpting a new armature 613 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,040 for each of these guys. It's like, Oh well, just give 614 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,760 them a new face and that's enough to change it up some 615 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,920 armor or something. But now after this, I feel bad 616 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,680 if I do any more on these guys because I feel like I've I've 617 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,440 kind of like squeezed out like all the creative juices on this. 618 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,120 So I'm just like, right. The next set that I do will be 619 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,160 completely different, like completely new armatures and 620 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,600 then I could have more fun with it like that, you know, because 621 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,880 these guys don't have like Shields or anything. 622 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,960 So I'm thinking maybe like some orcs or something with like the 623 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,440 Shields incorporated into the school. 624 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,560 So it's still like a one piece. So, you know, you can go 625 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,640 completely like random directions with that, like, so 626 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,240 I'm going to have fun thinking about that. 627 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,800 I'm also probably going to try to do more like war machines and 628 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,160 like you know, like like boar riders and shit like grunts and 629 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,720 snorters type stuff. I wanted to make kind of like an 630 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,360 Oregon gun thing, like the old goblin Oregon gun from like I 631 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,840 think 3rd edition. It is Warhammer Fantasy War 632 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,440 wyverns, just anything. I just want to kind of branch 633 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,760 out a little bit more and do more bigger stuff. 634 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,080 But it's very imposing. It's very imposing to make a 635 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,880 giant animal, or A4 legged animal for that matter. 636 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,040 You know, that was going to be my next question is if you do so 637 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,160 many like orcs and goblins and stuff like do you see yourself 638 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,480 branching into other things? And are you going to keep you 639 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,360 said, you know, these these war animals and why birds and stuff? 640 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,560 Do you feel like for the most part you're going to stick with 641 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,080 like the old hammer like fantasy vibe? 642 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,080 Or do you do you ever see yourself trying to branch into 643 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,840 something completely different? Because I mean, there's so that 644 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,400 you could spend a lifetime just doing, you know, the old 645 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,720 fantasy, old Hammer stuff. But do you see yourself ever 646 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,760 going into a different direction? 647 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,600 Well, currently no, like I do need to sculpt some sci-fi stuff 648 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,920 because I I sculpted the little guy on the wander reward CC 10K 649 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,360 thing. So that was like that was my 650 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,920 attempt at just making like a like a fake space marine. 651 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,920 And I didn't expect it to be like the I didn't expect it to 652 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,800 turn to like the face of the of like the game, like the probably 653 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,520 the most identifiable thing, which is hilarious to me, which 654 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,920 is wild. It's just, it's just wild that 655 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,640 shit like that happens. But I want to do more sci-fi 656 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,800 things, like more or less like sooner or later. 657 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,440 It's just I I really like fantasy more than sci-fi. 658 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,680 Like that's just, that's them's the brakes. 659 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,680 That's just the way it is. I find it more appealing for 660 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,280 whatever reason. But I do want to branch out like 661 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,880 I've been, I've wanted to make like more like Vampire Counts, 662 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,400 like undead miniatures or something, or maybe like some 663 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,400 peasants or some shit. I don't know, like I have to 664 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,240 have to really like drawn out. Like I do have these ideas, like 665 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,520 I do have things I want to do, but it's like there's only so 666 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,800 much time and like in your day. And then it's like when you have 667 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,800 a day job too, it's like, you know, this is the hobby for me, 668 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,840 you know, like just sculpting little guys and painting stuff. 669 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,600 But yeah, no, definitely do like there are definitely things I 670 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,600 would like to do when it comes to just more wanted reward 671 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,920 miniatures or something because it's like people, people like 672 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,600 Tanner and like other people in the community kind of have that 673 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,760 covered because we do have like a lot of people who sculpt like 674 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,520 sci-fi miniatures that can be used for that. 675 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,120 And it's all people in our little community. 676 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,280 So it's very like cool that it's like it's just kind of like 677 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,560 recycling, like they're recycling, but it's like self 678 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,239 feeding. It's self self productive. 679 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,159 It's really cool. It's really nice to see. 680 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,719 So it's like I don't really have, I don't really feel the 681 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,000 burden of I have to make this. So that's why I don't really do 682 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,239 it. But Speaking of 1 and reward, 683 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,040 you know, that's I mean, I'd love the fuck out of one reward. 684 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,440 I, I tell people all the time, it's like one of the best 685 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,560 skirmish games and teach RPGs all rolled up into one and, and 686 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,360 impossible to navigate at the same time, like games that exist 687 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,239 out right now. And you like, you know, I know 688 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,199 Tanner is like who people see a lot, but your, your name's all 689 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:41,600 over that book. You did a lot of stuff with one 690 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,520 reward. So like what, like how did one 691 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,880 reward come about? And like, you know, talk to me 692 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,080 about like how you started working with Tanner to to make 693 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,280 that game. Well, well, fucking Tanner was 694 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,840 like one of the one of the earlier people who like hit me 695 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,120 up when I started, like just posting stuff on Instagram, 696 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,440 which is really cool, Super nice. 697 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,120 He's like probably my, he's pretty much like my best friend 698 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,560 at this point. But when it came to wanted 699 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,800 reward, it's like this guy, this guy would always write systems 700 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,400 and everything and he was very out there, which is always 701 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,680 really cool. Like the guy, the guy's unique 702 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,680 in many aspects, but it really shines with his systems and the 703 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,960 way he writes games and everything. 704 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:26,840 But with wanted reward, I basically had an idea for a game 705 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,040 and I, I don't know, like Jack shit about writing games or 706 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,120 anything, you know, like I, I hardly get the chance to play 707 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,320 them like games in general, but I I do, I do game every so 708 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,920 often, despite what everybody thinks, because I I would joke 709 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,880 about it being like, I've never played a game before, like, you 710 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,640 know, I just play so little. I don't really like have a good 711 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,280 grass roll a lot of shit, but it's like, you know, I'm I'm 712 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,360 changing that as time goes on because it's fun. 713 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,200 These games are fun. It's just hard to find people to 714 00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,400 play fucking fantasy. Like in LA especially, There are 715 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,560 people out there, but it's like, you know, the schedules and 716 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,040 everything don't really line up when stuff happens. 717 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,600 It's just being an adult. It is what it is. 718 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,120 But with Tanner, I just kind of like, asked him, like, can you 719 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,720 help me write a game? And he's like, oh, sure. 720 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,800 Like, you know, like, immediately just yeah, yeah, 721 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,360 let's like, fuck it, dude, let's do it. 722 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,400 And the initial idea for this game is I just came up to Tanner 723 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,680 and I told them, how would you translate? 724 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,760 This is so fucking stupid because like, the end result is 725 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,600 nothing like this. How would you translate like, 726 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,640 like, like a Metal Slug esque, like running gun into a tabletop 727 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,680 game? Like, how would you do that? 728 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,640 And then we just kind of like that that turned into like, OK, 729 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,000 what about what about like, you know, bounty hunting or 730 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,240 something? Like we had to have like a gore 731 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,240 or something. So I told them I'm like, OK, 732 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:59,280 what if we did like a, a thing that was like kind of like a 733 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,840 capture the flag thing where you get like a team of three and a 734 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,280 team of three. And then you have to like, you 735 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,840 know, catch this, this like a bounty and then like get them 736 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,720 out and everything. And, and like, pretty much it 737 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,720 was like a, what is it called? Like an extraction shooter, I 738 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,360 guess would be like the the game version of that where you just 739 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,440 get something and get the fuck out. 740 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,040 And that just kind of like turned into like, all right, 741 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,480 well, the the bounty would have to have goons. 742 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,440 Like it's not just going to be like one guy, right. 743 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,400 So we started doing that and then it's like, all right, well, 744 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,040 what, what if there were civilians? 745 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,560 And then and then once we started getting like the wheels 746 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,040 going Tanners, fucking mine kicked into OverDrive and just 747 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:47,880 made OK, well, what, what if, what if you could overhear like 748 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,520 civilians talking? Here's a table for that. 749 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,880 What if like, you know, you could build your own, you build 750 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,880 your own guns and everything. What if like, you know, there's 751 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,040 like a panic fucking was it like a hysteria? 752 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,040 Like the hysteria fucking build up and everything. 753 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,080 So then it's like after a certain point, it's like you 754 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,520 just just shit happens. You know, you can get a civilian 755 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,280 arrest, like a civilian could try to tackle you. 756 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,200 A civilian could try to shoot you, a civilian runs away from 757 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,160 you or something like, you know, and then it alerts like the guys 758 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,720 goons and everything. And it's just like this game 759 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:27,120 really like just gets its own life after a certain amount of 760 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,200 turns and it's fucking stupid. I love it. 761 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,760 It's great. I'm, I'm glad people responded 762 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,480 to it because it's like, and all of this is like, it was really 763 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,880 just what, what, what if we made this thing and it was fun, you 764 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,960 know, like it's fun for people because it's like, you know, we 765 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,120 have our printed copies, but it's like the PDFs, they're for 766 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,040 free. I mean, we updated and 767 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,440 everything. And so it's like it was never 768 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,120 about making money. It was just kind of like, what 769 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,680 about just a cool little game for people? 770 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,600 Because we never expected to even do a printed run. 771 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,480 Like we just kind of did that because we're just like, fuck 772 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,400 it, you know, because, you know, opening a book and flipping 773 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,920 through shit is a lot more reasonable than fucking, you 774 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,440 know. Oh, hold up. 775 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,920 Let me see. Let me see the rule for that. 776 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,560 Yeah. OK, it's like, yeah, that 777 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,040 fucking sucks. I've done that so many times. 778 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,160 It fucking sucks. So, you know, we, we have the 779 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,040 book there for people who want the book, which don't really do 780 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,760 a lot of print runs or anything because it's like we again, 781 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,480 we're not really about the money that comes to this. 782 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,600 If you want, if you want the PDFPDS there, print it out. 783 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,560 Who cares? You know, but it's, it's just so 784 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,040 funny to me how it built a little community and how we get 785 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,960 like random people being like, Oh, I love this game or 786 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,360 something. And we've had people like we had 787 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,920 a, a demo day at La War Games. Some guy helped me run it. 788 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,520 I forget, I forget his name. I'm so bad for names. 789 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,800 But he helped me run it because I as much as I've like am a Co 790 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,880 creator of this game. I was very hands off which 791 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,440 Tanner really took hold of it. So it's like it's Tanner says 792 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,600 it's my game, but it's really Tanner's game and Gabe's as 793 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,480 well, which is my friend Niall Nelly who helped a lot with the 794 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,280 play testing and everything and making up our forum and 795 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,280 everything. We have a forum. 796 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,760 There's a fucking that's like completely dead, but it's there. 797 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,880 If people like it, like we just did it because we were like, 798 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,360 fucking why not? But it's like I just came up 799 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,120 with the idea. Tanner really flushed it out. 800 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,360 Tanner really made it live. Gabe also did a lot. 801 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,760 He helped like refine the rules and everything, and he also had 802 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,520 suggestions and everything he play tested, you know, like 803 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,040 there's, there's a lot and then a lot of people helped play 804 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:43,400 tested as well. Like, but like the LA War games 805 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,640 demo day, the response was astounding. 806 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,840 We had, I had a lot more people there than anticipated. 807 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,640 And it would be people who aren't in the discord, people 808 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,960 who aren't like, you know, in contact with me and Tanner. 809 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,560 And then they'd be like, Oh yeah, I love this game. 810 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,600 I've played, me and my friends have played like a couple games 811 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,200 like ever since we found it. And I'm like, are you on the 812 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,920 Discord? No, it's like where the where 813 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,160 the fuck did you find this? Like who, who, who who showed 814 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,480 this to you? Like there's like oh, I think I 815 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,040 think the thing was like they saw it on like an HI, like on 816 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,880 the H dot IO thing or something, or I don't know how, but I'm 817 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,200 people find this game and we don't know how they find it 818 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,640 sometimes. And it's really it's really it 819 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,560 makes you feel good that they that they enjoy it. 820 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,280 You know, like we had a we had a random guy make like a like a 821 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,560 fucking target generator. Like, I think it's like big 822 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,160 bounty board, big shot BBS dot GitHub dot IO. 823 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,720 They just made a fucking a website that generates bounties 824 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,040 and everything. And it's, again, don't know who 825 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,200 this guy is. He just popped into the Discord 826 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,480 when they said, hey, I made this for like, you know, bounty 827 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,560 generation. And it's just like, oh, OK, 828 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,560 thank you, thank you very much. It's like, yeah, the game's 829 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,440 going. It's like, I'm glad you enjoy 830 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,160 it. You know, it's just what what? 831 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,760 What what fuck what I enjoy about it, It's just that people 832 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,640 like it because it's like, at the end of the day, nobody's 833 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,520 making money off this. And we just kind of like threw 834 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,760 something into the ether for the sake of throwing it into the 835 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,320 ether. Like we, we, we just left our 836 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,920 baby on the side of the road and someone picked it up, you know, 837 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,280 like. Yeah, but it's an, it's an 838 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,680 incredible game. I love it. 839 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:31,840 And it's, it's, you know, I, I really think that much like, you 840 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,960 know, we were talking with the miniatures, the personality that 841 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,360 comes out in the miniatures like that really draws people to it. 842 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,280 And, and same thing with the game too, Like it's a game that 843 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,560 is like super fun, but also like a little bit challenging to 844 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,600 parse and like kind of ridiculous to play in some parts 845 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,720 and this and that. And like that little bit of 846 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,120 friction and that little bit of like personality and interest in 847 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,200 it really just pulls people in the entire thing. 848 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,720 And plus like the PDF being free, the website where you can 849 00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:59,360 generate like your weapons, you got the character sheets on 850 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,640 there. You got like the forum, like you 851 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,920 said on there, like you've made it really accessible for people 852 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,840 when they do find it to be able to like play it and, and, and 853 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,080 again, like it's just like it's ridiculous in the best way. 854 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,240 And every time I've played it, it's just been ridiculous. 855 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,480 Like to the point where like when you're reading it and 856 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,920 you're like, oh, like I have to come up with like lines of code 857 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,760 for the way that like my Droid acts while also doing these like 858 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,520 10 other things. Like it's just ridiculous. 859 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,720 And it's so good. And the book came out so well. 860 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,560 Like the the IT was Dylan Moleska that did the cover art 861 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,040 for that. Right. 862 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,760 Yeah. Dylan Moleska did the cover art. 863 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,360 He's a, he's a genuine sweetheart. 864 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,360 And it's it came out great. He did an amazing job with it. 865 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:44,200 Yeah, I wanted to, I wanted to stray away from like grim dark 866 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,040 or like fucking more boring bright colors or collage, you 867 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,360 know, like I'm just like, no, this is, this looks like 868 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,520 something you'd walk into a GameStop and buy a fucking like, 869 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,240 oh, that cover looks interesting or some shit. 870 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,920 And then you fuck off and then you're like, wow, this game 871 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,000 sucks and then you return it. But it's we wanted it to be like 872 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,040 just different. It's us. 873 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,560 It's not, we're not trying to be somebody else. 874 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,080 It's just our stuff, you know? Yeah, it very much channels that 875 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:16,200 kind of like Nintendo box feel of almost like like like a smash 876 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,040 brothers kind of thing where there's like a mash up a bunch 877 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,280 of different characters just like all kind of like popping 878 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,960 and and it's great. It fits the game. 879 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,680 You know, I snagged it and I fucking I got it in zip disc and 880 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,040 I don't even have a fucking zip disc player, but I wanted to 881 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,800 have all the ways to have the game and it's sick. 882 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,080 Like I, you know, I, I'm very glad to have it and super stoked 883 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,960 that it was in miniature and I grabbed a every fucking metal 884 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,160 miniature there too. Like they were great. 885 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,440 Merlin, I don't know if you met him, was also doing like 886 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,040 incredible 1 reward miniatures too. 887 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,040 Merlin is an amazing kid dude like that guy, that guy, like 888 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,000 he, he's been just in that little discord and just talking 889 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,720 to me in town here for like a good while now. 890 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,160 And he's, he's a, he's a genuine dude. 891 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,640 And you know, he came all the way from Germany. 892 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,960 The dude's like 19. He came with a box full of hand 893 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,120 sculpted metal miniatures and they're really good. 894 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,040 And it's just like, dude, yes, like that's what that's what 895 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,080 it's about. It's like you got to be like 896 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,600 that. That kid just has his fucking 897 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,800 foot in the door. You got a head start. 898 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,160 He's it's cool. It's really cool to see. 899 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,560 He was really cool to meet him too, because it was like you, 900 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,800 you literally came from Germany just for this. 901 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,080 Like, you know, it's, it's funny, crazy. 902 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,240 Yeah. And he's. 903 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,480 Cool kid he's he came with his dad too. 904 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,480 His dad was fucking playing. Games the whole time too, which 905 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,600 was sick. Yeah, they were both great. 906 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,440 They both played my game, which was fucking awesome. 907 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,640 And yeah, and dude, if my dad would have played fucking 908 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,160 scrimmage games and I was 19 and I was doing a little like I wish 909 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,600 I was having school as Merlin at 19, that kid is fucking awesome. 910 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,880 So my. Dad just fucking came home from 911 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,160 work and drank beer. That's all he did. 912 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,120 It's like, it's like the other thing, Like cool, but yeah. 913 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,320 No, it's it's it's cool. It was it was really it was 914 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,040 really, really cool to see. Did I also see did I also see 915 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,160 some like dungeon synth somewhere in like your your 916 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,720 Instagram link? Is that a thing that's also 917 00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:58,640 about fool? Is that what? 918 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,960 It is, yeah. Fool is is like me. 919 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,920 Like, I don't, I don't, I don't understand how to make music on 920 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,560 the computer. So I attempted to make something 921 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:14,640 dungeon synthy and it's just like garbage loops with with 922 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,240 like the audio levels being too high. 923 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,800 Like like Steve, Steve told me he wanted to make it into like a 924 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,800 thing like, yeah, I'll make it into like a cassette or 925 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,280 whatever. And I'm like, yeah, sure. 926 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,520 And I send him the the files and he's like, can we like mess with 927 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,320 it to like fix the levels and everything? 928 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,520 And I'm like, yeah, sure, go ahead. 929 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,200 Like I don't care. Do whatever you need to do. 930 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,720 And he said they lowered it like a lot. 931 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,440 And it's still too loud. And I'm like, you wanted to make 932 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,600 this man out of it. Yeah. 933 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,880 It was basically just, I was just having fun. 934 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,280 I just did. I think I made those like in one 935 00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:03,160 evening, like on Thanksgiving, like 2024, Thanksgiving 2024. 936 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,960 And I was just, I was just like, I have to fit. 937 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,360 I have to make 4 songs and then Gabe helped me make like a weird 938 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,440 little jazzy thing at the end, which I don't have online 939 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,720 because I thought that'd be fun. So like 10 seconds or something, 940 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:21,840 something really short. But it was fun. 941 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,800 It was just like, it's a little experiment and just trying 942 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,720 something out, you know? Like if people like it, they 943 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,120 like it, they don't, they don't, who cares? 944 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,000 I think that's how I approach everything now as as a kid, I 945 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,120 kind of cared what a lot of people would think of and 946 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,440 everything. But now I'm just like, hey, if 947 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,520 you don't like it, you need shit. 948 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,200 I don't really care. Like, you know, like, but. 949 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,880 Like that's the way to do it. That's the way to hobby too. 950 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,240 You know what I mean? Like you, you, you hobby. 951 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:51,960 Well, like you hobby, right. I don't know how to say how 952 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,880 people hobby right and wrong, but like you made like something 953 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,560 that's fucking awesome and you're just like it exists. 954 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,080 If you like it, play it. If you don't fuck off. 955 00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,480 Like I'm not making any money. Who cares? 956 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,240 Like, you know, you're you're you were like, Hey, I want to 957 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,720 make some music. So you threw some tracks out 958 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:06,680 there and people like it. They don't like this drive for 959 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,320 everyone to like, like fucking Max out their hobbies so that 960 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,680 they can somehow like like make a living from every single thing 961 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,880 that they do and like make everything like perfect all the 962 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,760 time and drive towards it is crazy. 963 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,480 Like I wish people were like more accepting of just doing 964 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,400 things because they enjoy it. And if it's not perfect and 965 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,600 you're never going to get like super fucking great at it, 966 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,080 that's fine because you just had fun. 967 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,160 And it feels like you do that like to the nines and it's 968 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,680 really respectable. Well, it's, it's just because if 969 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,000 you strive for perfection, you're going to finish it. 970 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,360 I think you're never going to really hit the perfection. 971 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,400 So it's like good enough is good sometimes. 972 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,360 And that goes to all aspects of like hobbying. 973 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,240 And it's just like, you know, if you want to get better, you'll 974 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,560 get better. Just keep doing it. 975 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,080 It's just like, I feel there's like a weird thing right now. 976 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,480 I feel when it comes to hobbying where it's like everybody's 977 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,920 really accepting and they give people thumbs up when they make 978 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,960 kind of bad stuff. And it's like, it's fine if 979 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,800 that's the best of their ability, good shit, but like 980 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,040 help people out. Like like everybody tells people 981 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,640 to thin their paints or something, but it's like, dude, 982 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,880 teach someone how to glaze, teach someone how to fucking 983 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,560 like build something. Because it's like I've had 984 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,520 people reach out to me and ask for help and I'll give them 985 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,800 help, but they just don't use it. 986 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,480 It's really weird. It's really odd, but it's like 987 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,800 just help people out. I and I, I think I seem very 988 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,600 unapproachable online, but generally when people message me 989 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,440 for anything, I, I like to help them out to the best of my 990 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,160 ability. And sometimes, you know, I get, 991 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,040 they get the result they want, sometimes they don't. 992 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:53,560 But I, I like when people reach out because it's like, if I can 993 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,880 help you, that's cool because that's what people did for me, 994 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,240 you know, like that's, that's kind of, that's kind of the 995 00:49:58,240 --> 00:49:59,680 thing about this hobby that I like that. 996 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,160 It's like, sometimes you'll find someone you really like who's a 997 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,600 much better obvious than you. And what happens is like you 998 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,800 become friends and they kind of like mentor you almost into like 999 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,640 how to do this, how to do like, oh, you can better get a better 1000 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:19,000 result by like, you know, using this paint and thinning it this 1001 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,200 much or something or using a brush like this or this specific 1002 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,360 tool or something, or, you know, stuff like that. 1003 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,160 It's stuff that never doesn't really come to you. 1004 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,320 Like you wouldn't have known if some guy wasn't like, hey, just 1005 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,040 do this. And you're like, oh, that makes 1006 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,680 sense. That makes a lot of sense 1007 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,800 actually. But it's like, it's cool. 1008 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,280 And I think that's where social media shines here and there, 1009 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,280 especially with like the local communities and everything 1010 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,040 because it's like, you know, if you ask us a question, you 1011 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:51,960 sometimes people make fun of you. 1012 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,560 It's fine. There's like very tongue in 1013 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,840 cheek, like jokes and everything. 1014 00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,120 I know I'm guilty of them. I'm kind of an asshole, but but 1015 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,560 I will, I will, I will help people if, you know, if they ask 1016 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,360 me for help. Like there's, there's just no 1017 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,920 way about that. Like you're not, nobody's going 1018 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,160 to get better if everybody just constantly tells you that you 1019 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,760 suck, which isn't the case. It's very accepted here so. 1020 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like you said, especially 1021 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,240 within the skirmish community, it's been, it's been really 1022 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,840 great. Like we, you know, not saying 1023 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,520 that the TRPG community isn't, but that's been, you know, our 1024 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,280 bread butter on the show for a really long time. 1025 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,320 But as I've been shifting into skirmish more and more, that's 1026 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,760 one thing that I tell everybody is just that the community is 1027 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,240 fucking incredible. Like almost everyone I've talked 1028 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,440 to in the space is super nice, super welcoming. 1029 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,840 Like you said, like super, like you like this here, try this or 1030 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,880 this or that or that. Then everyone I've reached out 1031 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,680 to, you know, about like the show or about like adapt con 1032 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,920 about anything. Everyone has just been so 1033 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,640 pleasant and so kind. And it's just been a really cool 1034 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,560 thing to get into. So if you're trying to get into 1035 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,000 the hobby base, you know, reach out to people. 1036 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,240 It's been, it's been really great. 1037 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,120 And I think that the industry trust discord is really good 1038 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,600 help for that. And then I've been able to find 1039 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,080 a lot of people from that into other places. 1040 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,400 So yeah, it's been great. And like you said, just helping 1041 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,760 people. And I've anytime I've had 1042 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,760 questions, people have, people have answered them and it's 1043 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:06,960 been, it's been really great to see. 1044 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,120 Yeah. And if you don't, if you don't 1045 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,640 fit in somewhere to like, if let's say for whatever reason in 1046 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,480 Rust, we trust you, like you don't respond to it or 1047 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,680 something, There's other communities like you can, you 1048 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,000 will find, you will find your niche. 1049 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,920 Or if you don't find it right away, just stick around. 1050 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,960 Like you'll find people who like fit into you, fit in with you a 1051 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,760 lot more because it's like you're not going to like 1052 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,040 everybody. Not everyone's going to like 1053 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,040 you. That's completely fine. 1054 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,880 But don't let it beat you down. Like you will find people, be it 1055 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,840 in Rust we trust or anywhere else really. 1056 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,240 You just got to kind of got to keep at it. 1057 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,960 It just, it sucks sometimes, but it's like you got to you got to 1058 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,680 wade through stuff. Yeah, but I mean that's part of 1059 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,480 growing up, like the older you get, the fewer friends you have. 1060 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,440 That's just like how it works. And then you just got a whole 1061 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,440 lot of the ones you have and, and work and making new ones. 1062 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,800 When you get the opportunity to, to have that kind of community 1063 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,080 and things like Adepticon, things like fantasy fest, things 1064 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,560 like, you know, the the those discord communities or game 1065 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,280 communities are, are great places to find that. 1066 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,160 You know, one, it has a, a, a community around it that build 1067 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,080 up and people have met each other, you know, at, at at 1068 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,880 Adepticon and we're playing, you know, playing with Tanner and 1069 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,200 stuff and it was great. So like you said, just like 1070 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,880 everything, just keep at it and, and try to find your people. 1071 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,160 And it's, it's a good community to find people. 1072 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:21,080 And one of the other things you had on your, on your links was a 1073 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,400 blog that had, I think 4 posts on it, maybe 5. 1074 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,920 Are you, are you going to, are you going to pick that back up? 1075 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,280 Or is that you know, because two of them, I mean, how did make a 1076 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,360 Goob 1 and 2 are fantastic posts, but is that a thing that 1077 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,280 you're going to continue with or is that just going to be like 1078 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,120 when you get around to it? Those were for fun for the most 1079 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,280 part. I, I should pick it back up 1080 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,560 because I like speaking into the void, I'm not going to lie, 1081 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,240 because it's like there's something really nice about no, 1082 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,640 no like not knowing if people fucking read it or not, which is 1083 00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,880 like the best part of like the old Internet where it was like 1084 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,640 you just kind of did it because you were a fucking, you're this, 1085 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,080 this, this demented freak who would just write on your own 1086 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,920 website and get like 0 responses, but you do it all the 1087 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:14,680 time for some reason. But I, I mean sooner or later, 1088 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,160 yeah, I, I have like, I think like 2 YouTube videos up to that 1089 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:23,120 I have to finish. I made like sculpted sculpt the 1090 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,600 fucking gob with the goo or whatever. 1091 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,960 And I have like these little tiny feet that I need to finish 1092 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,520 and make more videos on, but I'm, I have a fucking day job. 1093 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,160 I'm not, I'm not making, I'm not making a fucking living off like 1094 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,120 making YouTube videos. This isn't my niche. 1095 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,760 Like if I really wanted to, I'd put the time into it and I want 1096 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,280 to, but I don't really want to. Like, you know, I'll, I'll do it 1097 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,440 when I, when I really get the fucking itch. 1098 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,680 But I, I don't have plans. But it's like it's, it's never a 1099 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,120 no. Yeah, but I mean that's just 1100 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,560 that's just interacting with Internet like it would be cool 1101 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,920 if we grew the podcast bigger, but I also don't feel like 1102 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,040 getting on TikTok or posting more than once a week. 1103 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,880 So like it's not going to happen because it's not really that 1104 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,720 important to me then. But like going forward, you 1105 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:14,480 know, we already talked about your expanding your what you 1106 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,400 want to do with miniatures like we talked about wanna reward it. 1107 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,680 Is there any other games you got cooking on the background or is 1108 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,520 that just when you get the inspiration same thing? 1109 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:22,800 Like maybe something else will pop up? 1110 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,840 Fuck, let's see, let's see, let's see I have a Google Docs 1111 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,960 full of like 3 song, 3 songs, 3 fucking games and shit. 1112 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,080 Hold up. I have like 4 or five that I 1113 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:40,560 worked on, but I have let's see. I had I had a really shitty like 1114 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,440 works in goblins based ranking flank called Gore Magog. 1115 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,480 That was one. Then I had one that was a 1116 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,880 skirmish game, a swampy skirmish game. 1117 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,080 Wow, what a fucking dinner. It wasn't orcs and goblins, but 1118 00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:00,200 it was like I was thinking more of a four humors bio orthodox 1119 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,120 like Christian ish stuff. But I didn't want it to be grim 1120 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:12,080 dark. I wanted it to be like like 1121 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,600 funnier. I don't know, like it's it's 1122 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:21,600 it's based on the four humors. So there's a lot of like, like 1123 00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:27,800 body like gross body shit. What? 1124 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,080 Isn't there isn't there like a genre that kind of isn't like 1125 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,880 whim whim dark or something like that? 1126 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,280 Isn't there one that it's like dark, but like has some like 1127 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,680 humor to it? I feel like it's something like 1128 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,600 that and that sounds exactly like what you're going for. 1129 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:38,880 Like I'm. Trying. 1130 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,920 To think I. I I like, like, I like like 1131 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,440 gross out like trova shit. So that's that's kind of my 1132 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:56,480 niche that I like. Like we got, we got bio magics 1133 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,440 and shit like this. This game is called Bio Bog. 1134 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,080 Yeah, you like, you like the, you, you look, the humors are 1135 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,320 like bile and blood and all that kind of flim. 1136 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,240 And then you got another one called bile. 1137 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:08,680 Yeah, you kind of like the, the, the gross body stuff, huh? 1138 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,160 Yeah, I do. It's very, it's very funny, like 1139 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,480 yellow bile. Is it Kaleric magics? 1140 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,800 I have one of them that's like Yuri and javelin. 1141 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,520 So it's just like a you just do like a little 12 inch long PB 1142 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,160 line. You know what kind of thing? 1143 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,560 Think like think like think like Warhammer like fucking flame 1144 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,560 template but it's just P it's. Just P yeah. 1145 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:34,560 Incontinence, involuntary expression, shit like that. 1146 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,960 Just like, yeah, the green, the phlegm 1, you just like launch a 1147 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,960 bogey at someone's a little fucking booger. 1148 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,680 But that sounds fucking awesome dude. 1149 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:46,600 Like if I can make that shit. Well, I am it's, it's very I'll 1150 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,440 share it with you even look, give it a look over. 1151 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,800 Very excited for that. Very excited for for for boogers 1152 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,200 and piss It's. It's basically that's why I'm 1153 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,200 all like, yeah, these guys have to be like peasants and shit, 1154 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,840 you know? Yeah, that's awesome. 1155 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,080 Like there's there's a good skeleton there. 1156 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,760 I really, I really enjoyed this and I play tested it with with 1157 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,960 fucking Dylan Molisko and he helped me out and it was really 1158 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,240 cool. He made like little cards for 1159 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:16,520 it, which is really cool for him to do, But it's, it's, it's got, 1160 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,760 it's got a base. It's just, I didn't want to 1161 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,720 fucking immediately be like, oh, another fucking muddy swamp 1162 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,080 game. Like not not muddy swamp, but 1163 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,640 like another muddy core game like turnip or sludge or 1164 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,800 anything like that. You know, like I didn't want to, 1165 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,960 I didn't want to just be seen as like because, because it's like 1166 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,920 the idea for it is I wanted to make the PDF for the book for it 1167 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,400 with a a lot of paper, like hand sculpted art instead of 1168 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,440 illustrations like I have, I have these guys that I was going 1169 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,960 to put on the cover and see because like there's like a main 1170 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,520 organ for like each bile or whatever. 1171 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,320 So it would be like the spleen. I had like a little paper clay 1172 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,440 spleen I made. Paint nice. 1173 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,760 Then I had the note, the fucking. 1174 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,600 I used to think that phlegm would come off from like your 1175 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,040 brain or whatever. So I got a little brain with a 1176 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,840 nose on it and I fucking sculpted and painted. 1177 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:20,600 You know, they got little, little ocker liver and of course 1178 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,480 that hurt. Dude those are great looking 1179 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,720 organs. Well, it's it's all paper clay 1180 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,000 stuff I used to be really good at. 1181 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,800 Well, I still am good at paper clay. 1182 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,400 And they had like a little little homunculus jar guy right 1183 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,840 here. Oh dude that is sick as fuck. 1184 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,800 Yeah, it's very like I had a good basis and I just need to do 1185 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:42,640 it. It's like he's supposed to be 1186 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,160 pressing up against the bottle. It's it's something I should 1187 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,800 pick up again sometime soon when I have more time. 1188 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,000 But it's very much, it was just like a little passion project. 1189 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,280 I had an idea and I just wanted to go after it. 1190 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,360 Of course, Tanner still helped me on a lot of it as well, but I 1191 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,280 wanted to be more like hands off, like more more just me. 1192 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,520 So it's like if I need stuff to work, I'll fucking hit up Tanner 1193 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,960 and ask him to help me if he has time. 1194 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,880 This that's that's that one. And then that's bile Bog. 1195 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,760 There's a lot of shit there's it's, it's very broken. 1196 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,920 There's words that I need to I think I use like 3 words for 1197 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,640 fucking the currency. So I think there's like gold 1198 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,160 pieces, silver and like some other shit where someone it's 1199 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,080 just unusable. But it does work to an extent. 1200 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:37,520 I also did a, a bio buildup system in it because I wanted to 1201 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,360 make a little system to like, make it, you know, like a little 1202 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,080 bit more interesting because it's like, you know, for the 1203 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,400 four humors, like the thing was like, you know, if you had more 1204 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,920 of 1 bile color, you'd become imbalanced and that's why you 1205 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,360 would get sick. Like, you know, you got a tummy 1206 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,960 ache. So you got like too much yellow 1207 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,400 bile. So we're going to have you like 1208 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,480 like poop in a bucket or something, I don't know. 1209 01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:04,840 So like the way that this bile buildup system would work is we 1210 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,120 have like these little cards and then you put a dice on each bile 1211 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:16,600 thing and to use biomagics, I think it's like each unit has a 1212 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,840 amount of bile that it regenerates and you choose a 1213 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,840 bile type or a color for your war band. 1214 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,080 So it's like, you know, if you want to do red magics, you your 1215 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,880 war band regenerates all like red, you know, or all blue or 1216 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,640 whatever the fuck it is. And each each magic. 1217 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,840 This is your mana essentially. And if you have like a wizard or 1218 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,360 something, he'll generate like more. 1219 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,760 And then it's like when they do the attacks and you, you know, 1220 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,840 like, let's say your war band is red bile and then your your 1221 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,200 fucking friend's war band is like green. 1222 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,200 He can't really use that bio color. 1223 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,920 So he does like bio buildup or some shit. 1224 01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:01,560 So it's like you can use I think different bio colors, but it's 1225 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,600 like you have a chance to like whiff it because it's not like 1226 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,120 you're specific thing. So the point, the point of this 1227 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,280 was the longer the game goes on, the more bio build up there will 1228 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,960 be. And if you keep getting, if you 1229 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,320 keep fucking like fighting each other, you can do like infused 1230 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,520 attacks and shit. So it's like you will give the 1231 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,160 other person your bio color and they can't fucking really use 1232 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,440 it. So after a certain point you 1233 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,640 start getting like drawbacks. So they'll be like, I think, I 1234 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,760 think once you have like a certain amount of bile things, 1235 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,080 which is like, you know, more the markers are like a little 1236 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,520 dice. So you put it up and then if you 1237 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,600 go above 6, you just keep stacking up the dice And it's 1238 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,720 very like you build it up real quick and it's really fun to 1239 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,200 just try to pass it to each other. 1240 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:49,080 And like, how do you say like just use it up like, because 1241 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,880 you're just like, I need to get the fuck out of this because my 1242 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,840 guy keeps getting like incapacitated every time I I 1243 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,320 roll at the start of the fucking thing. 1244 01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,640 So that that that concept worked really well. 1245 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,480 That was really fun. I didn't work on it more though, 1246 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,360 but it was it's it's it's a it's got, it's got a good skeleton. 1247 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,080 It really does have a good skeleton on it. 1248 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,640 I just need to fuck around with it more. 1249 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,000 I think I'm trying to, I think my issue is I'm trying to make 1250 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,440 it like suitable for campaign play, but I think it might be 1251 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,320 better for just like a one off thing, which is like sometimes 1252 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,160 that's just what it is. You just, you can't really force 1253 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,680 it into something that it's not. Well, yeah, at the end of the 1254 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,640 day too, like realistically you're going to get more play 1255 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,360 out of one offs than than convincing people to be able to 1256 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,160 do with campaign stuff anyway. But it sounds great. 1257 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,840 Like I love the idea of of a system that's not fighting that 1258 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,280 still fucks with like the other person, which is which is 1259 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,400 really, really cool. Yeah, like there's, there's a 1260 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,840 lot of like AOE spells, like stream spells and all that 1261 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,160 stuff. And then I really like going 1262 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,200 heavy into the equipment and like magical stuff. 1263 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,760 So it's like there are things to like items that you can buy to 1264 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,520 like like expose bile or something like that. 1265 01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,480 When you pick a color and then you just turn it to 0, there's 1266 01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,520 like the little homunculus jar thing, which is supposed to be 1267 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,440 like a, a throne thing. And then once you throw it, you 1268 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,240 like roll on what kind of unit it's going to give you. 1269 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,360 So it can give you nothing or it can give you like the equivalent 1270 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,960 of like a, like a troll or an ogre, like just a big 1271 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,520 motherfucker for no reason. And it's like, you know, there's 1272 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,600 all these little things. It's, it's like, I wanted it to 1273 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,000 be very fun. And then so that's that one. 1274 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,080 And then I have another one called mob rule, which is like a 1275 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,880 work in progress name, which is like the concept for that one 1276 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,160 was like you get like a 50mm base and you fit as much little 1277 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,880 guys as you can on there. So like a little orcs and 1278 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,320 goblins like war band, but just on one base. 1279 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,560 And then you just fight against like another war band. 1280 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:48,080 And each the idea behind that is that like you have a base like 1281 01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:53,560 war band thing, like stat. So it's like, you know, and then 1282 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:58,720 every time you add a goblin or snot laying or non copyrighted 1283 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,880 term for green skin on the base and they'll add like, you know, 1284 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,240 like plus plus one like attack or something agility, like shit 1285 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,920 like that. So it's like you, you can have 1286 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,600 like a really opie little war band as long as you just you 1287 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,920 just make them fit on there. And I was trying to avoid people 1288 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,360 like stacking them up on each other, like just stupid. 1289 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,880 But it's it was it was more of like a a way to get like a cool 1290 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:29,000 little unit filler and just to make like AI don't know, just 1291 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,680 kind of it's kind of like, you know how there's games where you 1292 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,040 make dioramas and everything and it's like a diorama building 1293 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,240 game. The the appeals that you get 1294 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,120 like a diorama. The appeal for this one was just 1295 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,440 again, kind of get like a cool little little goblinoid war band 1296 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,360 on one base to just kind of use for whatever. 1297 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,720 But that that's still kind of like a super work in progress, 1298 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:50,400 But I just like the idea of having them all on one base like 1299 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,080 that because it just looks cool when they're all crowded 1300 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,040 together. And I feel like you're kind of 1301 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,440 you kind of lose that with like them each on their individual 1302 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,080 base, which is not a bad thing either. 1303 01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,040 Like it's just I was just like, I wonder what this would look 1304 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:06,080 like. But I there's it's just like a 1305 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,040 it's a fun idea. It's it's all of the stems to 1306 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,520 like, hey, that sounded cool to me. 1307 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:21,800 And then I had a one-on-one like one V1 type fucking game that's 1308 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,680 just supposed to be like a like a little gladiator pit. 1309 01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,640 And then you have like a war band of maybe like one or three 1310 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,480 guys or something, which is called like Obscena toast, which 1311 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,000 is supposed to be more like Realms of Chaosi generate your 1312 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,440 guy. And then you know, there's 1313 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,160 there's your stuff. But that one is like completely. 1314 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,760 I made like a logo for it, which looks really fucking cool. 1315 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,520 But apart from that, nothing. I I really just thought the name 1316 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,360 sounded cool and I was. Just like that sound cool yeah. 1317 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,200 I love the idea of like one V1 skirmish. 1318 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,440 My next game that I've been working on is A1V1 sumo skirmish 1319 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,840 game because I'm a big sumo fan and trying to come up with like 1320 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,240 the one V1 stuff has been really, really interesting when 1321 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,880 so much stuff is is like unit based and everything. 1322 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:09,080 So I I love the idea of like if skirmish is small then like dual 1323 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,280 is even smaller so. Yeah, it's, it's, it's just, 1324 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,040 it's just hard to like when you get to that skill where it's 1325 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,960 just like a dueling or something, a duel. 1326 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,200 It's it's very hard to like, not make it just like, hey, you run 1327 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,560 at this guy and you hit each other. 1328 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,000 You know, it's, you got to have something else there. 1329 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,680 There has to be like some something that makes it 1330 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,080 interesting because it's very easy to just fall into that 1331 01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,360 these guys just hit each other thing. 1332 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,200 Yeah, it's kind of like even in teach RBGS, like the number of 1333 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,440 times that you get stuck in a doorway and it's like you could 1334 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,640 advance past it, but if you just hit in the doorway, I hit in the 1335 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,320 doorway. Nothing is happening here but 1336 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,120 his bullets punching. So yeah, absolutely. 1337 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,680 Yeah, so those so those are on the horizon for you or these 1338 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,160 other games that are coming out. And I love just how goofy and 1339 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,200 but like interesting everything is that you're making. 1340 01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,040 And just the idea of just like I had this cool idea. 1341 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,000 It sounds cool to me. Like I'm gonna make this and 1342 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,720 it's gonna come out like, I don't know, it's it's it's 1343 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,240 really cool. Like the stuff that you make is 1344 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,640 is incredible as far as like your miniature making. 1345 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,320 And as you said, with, with one reward, like getting this idea 1346 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,200 in your head and that's what came out of it at the end is it 1347 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,200 is awesome. So it's, it's really cool to 1348 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,399 see. It's really cool to follow. 1349 01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:22,960 Like I said, as soon as I I encountered you on the Internet, 1350 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,680 I've been a fan ever since and it's been great to get to talk 1351 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,560 to you as well. But for, for those that don't 1352 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,359 know where to find you on the Internet, like where can people 1353 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:35,680 find your miniatures? Where can people find like all 1354 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,880 of the these games that that you're talking about making? 1355 01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,800 Where, where? Where are you on the Internet? 1356 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,680 I'm on Instagram, that's about it like I mean that has all my 1357 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:49,120 links and everything. My Instagram is Goobins gitz, 1358 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:54,439 GOOBINSGITZ on Instagram, nothing else. 1359 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,520 If you want anything from me, it's my links are all in the 1360 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,080 bio. If you want to send me a 1361 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:06,040 message, send me a message. My my response will vary, but 1362 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:12,760 but if I post stupid shit on my story, just don't, don't take it 1363 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,000 seriously. I'm very I like to make fun of 1364 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,479 everything. Not, not in the sense of like 1365 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,479 I'm making fun of people, but I'm just like very stupid 1366 01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:22,680 online. Yeah, I'm a shit poster. 1367 01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,319 I'm a shit poster. That's all. 1368 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:29,120 It's fun. I built, I built this castle 1369 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,680 brick by brick with shit posts and that's what it is. 1370 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,640 So. There we go. 1371 01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:37,279 Don't don't take it too seriously. 1372 01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:42,240 And and and grab grab a T-shirt, grab the gobbos that from from 1373 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,960 Gobbins grotto. Make sure you click the link 1374 01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,760 below. I'll make sure it's the fucking 1375 01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:46,880 Internet. So when you click the links 1376 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,479 below, like that's where they'll be whenever you watch this 1377 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,359 episode. So Goob, I just want to say 1378 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:52,880 thank you so much for coming on and chatting. 1379 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,360 It was a pleasure to meet you at Adoptcon and at fantasy fest. 1380 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,840 I'm really glad that you you agreed to, to come chat and it's 1381 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,120 been it's been a wonderful time. Yeah, no problem. 1382 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,800 It's it's always nice to hear myself talk. 1383 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,920 Yeah. Yeah. 1384 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,720 Cool. So once again, thank you and 1385 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,000 that's going to be us for today. So everyone out there, thanks 1386 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,360 for listening and we will see you next time. 1387 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:14,800 Bye.