You know, I'm going to hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll
podcast. My name is Ryan and today I'm
joined by Goob. How you doing this morning Goob?
Doing good. I'm doing all right.
Doing great best start to episode we've had so far 300
plus, and that's the first fucking time.
So that's that's a first. Thank you for that.
So hey, so for those who might not know who Goob is, who the
heck is Goob? I am a guy who sculpts
miniatures in Lai makes primarily orcs and goblins and
not much else honestly. But I don't know if you like old
hammer orcs. That's that's here it is.
Can't really see them like cameras.
Shitty but I mean. We did a whole thing gathering
pictures to start for, so I'll pop over to one right here right
now. Yeah, yeah, they're sick.
I mean I so when did I see your stuff?
So I went to Adepticon 2 years ago, but I knew I had no idea
what the fuck was going on. But I got to meet you this year
at Adepticon and you were faces for $5 is what I saw.
And then you just looked stressed for a lot of the time
where you just have this pile of miniatures in front of you and
you're just like putting faces on a bunch of stuff, which was
great. Then I got to meet you at
Fantasy Fest again and we'll we'll talk about all of that
stuff. But how, how was Adepticon?
This year was pretty good. It was fun.
I usually most, I mostly just use it as an excuse to actually
go visit friends and everything because it's like I, I don't
like carrying my miniatures to go play games to other states
like that. Because I, I have like this
irrational like thought that even though I like like double
gloss coded and then Matt coded and everything, but like, you
know, it's just going to get scuffed up on an airplane or
something. And it's like I spend hours
painting this. It's a point it's I'm gonna have
to get over it sooner or later, honestly.
But Adeptagon was good. I saw a lot of Milwaukee or a
lot of Wisconsin actually, not just Milwaukee.
Went to Tanner, showed me a bunch of cool shit.
We went to a place called House on the Rock.
That's pretty badass. It's a it's like a fever dream
of a space. Like you just have to look it up
and go into I'm not going to go into a lot of detail at the
moment just to save some time right here.
But it was always cool to see friends just walking around the
vendor hall buying some shit that I would otherwise pay
shipping on. And if I ordered it from home,
you know, the faces for $5 thing that was just kind of like, hey,
I spent too much money buying this.
I think I have it right here. Hold up a Marauder war waiver.
Oh, it's going to be blurry. Why like a like mint in box for
like 100 bucks, which is like way out of my budget.
I wasn't planning to spend anything but I also ate
deliciously and drank too hard so I needed to replenish that
fast. And the I just figured I'd do a
little sign and be like hey, give me a model and I'll make a
stupid little face on it. Which was a lot more lucrative
than expected at a depth of cop. I did it at Fantasy Fest and
nobody gave gave a shit because that's a completely different
crowd. I underestimated the fact that
people aren't walking around with pockets full of random
little little guys here in LA as they do in Milwaukee for a game
convention, you know, like tabletop gaming thing.
But yeah, no, I mean, Adapticon is always a good time.
It's just like the first time you go, it's really, it's a lot.
It's a lot bigger than you think it is.
And it's, it's kind of fucking crazy.
The, the fact that this could just like, like the vendor hall
alone is incredible. Like you can go every day and
you could probably still find and dig through random shit and
find new shit. It's cool, though.
It's if if you if you haven't gone, I would suggest you go.
Is, is the thing here? It's, it's a cool little fest.
Yeah, not. Absolutely.
Yeah. It's it's the second biggest
convention I've ever personally been to.
I went to a Gen. Con before and that was, I'm not
doing that again. It's like 80,000 people a day
and it's literally a whole Convention Center and like a
stadium too. I, I went to the vendor hall and
left the by the closest door every day and just ignored a lot
of it. But Adeptagon's huge.
But it's what's nice is it's not even the vendor hall is pretty
massive. It's not super crowded though.
Like you never feel like you're like Dick to ass with anybody.
You have a room to like walk around and stuff which is really
nice. Yeah, some days it gets a
little, it gets a little packed, but it never really gets like,
like shuffling like, yeah, like that.
That's the worst. That is the fucking worst.
Yeah. And then there's always the grim
dark alley hallway, whatever, which feels like a kind of like
almost a little small convention unto itself that gives you kind
of space to breathe a little bit and hang out, which is really
nice. Yeah, yeah.
When I went two years ago, I had, no, I knew nobody.
I had no idea what the fuck was going on.
I I had just kind of started getting in a skirmish and, and
war games and stuff. And yeah, it was just a lot.
And then this year was just like, yeah, it was so much
cooler. I knew a lot more people.
And it's a great time. I encourage everyone that's in
any part of, you know, this hobby space, they definitely
check it out at least once. But I think once you go once,
you're going to be like, shit, I got to do this again.
But why is it 5 days long? But but it was cool.
And yeah, and then and then we did Fantasy Fest, which is like
you said, it's very to me, as as an LA native yourself, the every
time someone asked me about it, my first response is always
like, it was very LA. The entire thing was pretty much
the most LA shit I could possibly have imagined.
It's so it comes with the territory, like especially when
it's ran by someone who's like a big brand like Brain Dead or
anything. It's it's, it was basically just
I, I, I, I don't like this sort of thing.
I don't like LA stuff. So it's like it was all people
who really like brain Dead, which is completely fine.
That's their own fan base and everything.
But that's why I think there was like a a weird disconnect for me
in the sense of like enjoying it, to which they have a lot of
cool shit. I'm not going to, I'm not going
to knock them on that. And everybody who went in the
sense of like hobby people, it's it brings fresh eyes to that.
So I will say that's great. That part is great.
I like the exposure for people who would probably appreciate
the exposure, but I'm just always weary of big brands
putting their eyes on like otherwise stuff that wasn't
cared for really or just like little scenes.
It's just, it's I, I just have this weird thing where I feel
like it's a genuine in the sense of like trying to get profit
from it somehow, because that's, that's just what it feels like
to me, which is like if the people who are at the head,
those aren't their intentions and they're just using their
money to like kind of like completely fair.
Who am I to judge? I don't fucking know.
But I, I'm always genuinely genuine.
Generally weary of like a lot of money but going into something.
I think we're of the same mind across the entire board.
I thought there was some really awesome stuff down there.
Like we talked about the secret headquarters booth.
I got to meet Lord of Skulls, the hell Apocalypse guy, which
was really incredible. There was a lot of like even
like Cave of Elemental Evil was there, which is fucking dope.
And and then, yeah, you know, hives come Tyler with Mark, the
brand, everything. It was, it was really cool.
There was a lot of cool stuff, but you're right.
Like it like I I'm newer to the community too.
Like I said, I've only been in the space for kind of about a
year. And even then you want to kind
of tread lightly because it's not like you're kind of getting
into the community. But whenever someone with money
suddenly appears and it's not really like part of the
community and you don't know like how they're going to treat
the community or how like their money is going to affect the
community afterwards. Because like, you know, you get
a fantasy fest and you could prop a bunch of people up and
then suddenly, like the attention turns to something new
and that like, you know, drops out from people.
You never know like what where it's going to be.
And now they're talking about like doing one in like Portland
OR doing 1 somewhere else. And you know, I don't think
people are super stoked on an LA brand trying to city hop to do
hobby stuff. So we'll see.
I, I, I don't, I, I really don't think that's going to fly to the
like the way they want it to. I feel like the communities in
those areas, like it's really up to them whether they want that
to happen or not, if they're probably going to do it
regardless. I'm not going to lie.
Did they get enough? Because brain again, brain dead
is like this humongous brand. People who like brain dead are
going to be like, yeah, I want brain dead in my city.
And that's that's the thing, the people who go to Brain Dead
Fantasy Fest or the people that they have asked to come.
So these are like the, the, the people in the hobby that they
deem worthy or deem cool enough to do so and people who are
brain dead fans. So that's, that's pretty much
what it boils it down to because it's like, again, no, it's, it's
like, you know, these like these little communities because they
could like choose to outright reject them or whatever just
because they're wary of them or whatever.
But it's like, I don't know, it's, it could be like a good
and a bad thing. I just, I just think it's like a
weird balancing act of being, I don't know people, whether
people are like genuinely into it or not.
Yeah, I think, I think one word you said is kind of how I feel
all the way about it. It's just like wary.
It's just like it was a cool event, you know, made some new
friends down there, saw some really cool stuff at the end of
the day, like, yeah, it was, it was, it was cool.
I'm glad it went. It was a great time.
It's just like, yeah, just wary of the intentions and wary of
the impact it could have on the space because, you know, like
the, the, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
So we'll see. We'll see, you know, we'll see
if there's another one. We'll see if they take more than
six weeks to plan it. So it's, it's, it's a little bit
smooth the next time and we'll kind of see how it was.
But like I said, at the end of the day, it was cool.
I haven't been out to LA in a long time.
I got to to meet some friends at and got to meet you at that live
in LA and got to, got to, I got to meet you and say, Hey, come
on the show and now we're here. So, so it was cool.
At the end of the day, it was really cool.
But but winding it back, I guess all the way back.
So you, you, you're, you're a maker, you're a miniature
designer and sculptor and everything.
How like when did how did you get into mini sculpting And you
know, even kind of how like into the like war games and stuff in
general as well. OK, so like initially I, I
wasn't really like a miniature sculptor.
Like I used to make Japanese soft vinyl toys and everything
because that was like my interest at the time and I
thought it was, it's cool. Like I still have a bunch of
them and everything. I still have the urge to like
slip some every so often, you know, like Kaiju and shit like
that. But I didn't really like the
same. It's it's very much like there's
in people when there's out people.
But it's, it's really weird because since it's an industry,
it's like if you're an out person, you just won't get any
luck with factories to make your stuff with in Japan anyways.
In China, people don't give a fuck.
But you know, so you know, going away from this, I've always been
kind of like a fan of Warhammer 40K, Like I've always known
about it. I've played, you know, fucking
what was it Dawn of War, like the RTS and everything?
Like I always played that. That was pretty fun.
Which came hand in hand with like Warcraft 3, The Frozen
Throne and shit like that. So around the time that I
stopped doing the, the Japanese sub final thing, I think it was
around COVID. And because it was COVID, I had
like a lot of, you know, indoor time as we all did.
So I got really into watching like people paint stuff, you
know, and I was like, OK, that looks fun.
And then I started painting stuff.
I started getting into miniatures and everything.
And then once I got into like painting stuff, I got into the
more like characterful stuff of like old medals and everything.
And I was like, oh, wow, I like this.
Like I really, really like this because like the draw for me for
the Japanese sub final initially was that a lot, a lot of it is
very is hand sculpted. It's very crude.
It's very like it's charming, you know, like it's not highly
detailed or anything, but it's very charming.
Like there's, there's something there.
Like you can tell it was, it was made by like, but like hands,
but like some guy who was probably paid like little to
nothing to do this because you know, that's what he had to do.
So I started getting that same vibe as into, into like the old
hammer stuff and I kept looking into it and everything.
And then I, I started buying, you know, of course, the old
Night Goblins. And this was before I knew about
recasters and everything, which I would never buy from.
But I spent like a good, yeah, I spent like a good, I want to say
like $100 on like old night Goblins before I was like, I
can't, I can't keep doing this. And then I started looking into
the sculpting and I, I just kind of figured like, Hey, I'm a
sculptor. Why don't I just try to imitate
these little night goblin guys that have.
So I tried to imitate them and everything.
And then it's like, you know, over time, I just made a little
set of four. And then I, I randomly made an
Instagram and I'm just like, you know what, I'm going to get
these, I'm just going to post these.
I'm going to post my my painted miniatures and I'm going to post
these goblins. And then I was just some guy who
randomly came out of nowhere. It was just like, hey, look,
look at my goblins. And then people were people
would hit me up and they seemed kind of excited about them and
everything. And it's like I'm going to try
to find like a metal caster or something.
I guess I'll let you guys know. And my first little set, which
was like the bludgeon her boys. I think I sent a picture of them
to you. They have like the half red half
like cream robes or whatever. And they have a squig or
something. That was like my first foray
into like miniatures production and everything apart from that.
I was pretty seasoned in the sense of like pre-orders,
shipping stuff, you know, order fulfilment and everything.
So it's like I was no stranger to that aspect, but I just did
the, the miniatures and you know, I liked them.
People like them, you know, I, I, I really just do this for
myself. But it really does help when
someone's like tells you that they really enjoy your work and
everything because that's just like, well, cool, OK, Because
everything I sculpted for myself like these orcs, I really wanted
like the orcs from the chaos Marauder like card game box from
like the 80s, I think it was. So I just figured out how to
sculpt those faces. And I've just been doing that
ever since, you know, like everything just going ape shit
with this. And generally like whatever I
make kind of sells, which is really nice, even though it's
like, you know, something that I just I just really like like
traditional works of Coppins. I don't know, I'm very specific
to niches. Like I have a little, little
specific niches that I like and I'll kind of just stick to that
and not straight away. But I mean, you know, I feel
like it's turned from like Kev Adams invitation to like, you
know, I feel, I feel like people, people seem to be able
to tell like when a sculpt is buying, which is kind of cool
because it's like, to me, it just looks like a little goblin
or something. And then to other people,
they're like, oh, that's that guy specifically.
And I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool.
I don't know. But that's, that's how I got
into it. I, I want to say I got into it
like officially like 20/21/20. Like that's when I really put my
foot out there. So I've been around for like 5
years now, but it's, it's dude, it's been fun.
Like everybody I've met through this and everything has been
just complete sweethearts and like night and day from like the
Japanese soft vinyl scene. So I really, I really value all
the all the nice people I have met in this scene because it's
like they're very accepting. They welcome you with open arms
and everything and it's very cool.
No, and like I said, I'm newer ish to the scene too.
But yeah, I could easily tell yours from pretty much anybody.
Like especially when you were doing like faces at at
Adepticon, like there you have a very unique style and that's one
thing that I really love about. I was talking to, I was talking
to Nick Evans from miniatures recently and we kind of got in
this conversation about old Hammer and new Hammer and this
resurgence of like really cool sculptors with a lot of
personality in their things. And I'm, I'm not nostalgic to
old Hammer because I wasn't like I didn't know Warhammer back
then or whatever. But like even now looking back
on it, one thing you said is like the personality that goes
into those sculpts feels so much better than like a lot of the
modern stuff. Like if you look at like a
premier space Marine, it looks like it was built on a computer
and you can't tell one from another.
But if you look at those old sculpts, you can be like that
was sculpted by someone completely different from that,
someone from completely different from that.
Like I got a buddy who literally like I busted out like a
cauldron war band and it had like a Reaper ogre.
And he literally, I don't remember the name of the person,
but he was like, oh, that's from that guy.
He did it with this line. And I'm like, that's you can't
do that with like a lot of the modern sculpt.
So with the old ones, like, I don't know, like having that
little bit of goofiness, having like their proportions be a
certain way. There's like so much personality
into it. And that's one thing I love
about your work. I mean, every since I found you,
I bought like all the stuff on your website because there's so
much personality and everything that you do like all the little
gobbles, like everything has like these very just distinct,
really interesting, you know, faces, positions, posters.
I'm I'm, I can't believe this is the first thing that you did for
for sculpting. Obviously you said you were a
sculptor beforehand, but these goblins look incredible.
The one with the Squigs. And then there is these guys
here, the one with the giant, like they have like the giant
hand weapons. Yeah, yeah, the the blemia or
whatever. Blemi.
Well, I wanted to make a troll, but I didn't exactly wanted to
make just like an outright troll.
And you don't really see any like blemias with sure like the
medieval like chess face men like the headless man or
whatever. And I was just thinking like, I
don't know what, what would be like a fun way other than just
like straight up weapons. So I made them kind of like
gesturey and I gave them like, you know, I, I, I think it was
like a pointing finger, a fist. And then I don't remember what
the other one or yeah, just little, yeah, little things
like, yeah, little horns. And then just like the big guy.
So like I was just doing little war bands.
Like I wasn't trying to make like regiments or anything.
So I was just, I would have a theme for a war band and then I
would keep it like that. And then just just to have like
a little direction now I've been trying to be more loose where
it's like I wanted to make just more like ragtag guys.
So it's like they kind of kind of fit in together.
But like my initial 40s into this were like, these are the
guys who just melee weapons. These are the guys who follow
this, this giant blemia guy. And they're like gestures for
some reason. And then I did the, my most
popular one was I think the big helmets, which I need to make
more of, which were just like squig proxies, which were these
like just goblins with these giant fucking helmets.
And then I just had the little legs pop out.
So like, people really like those because I think, I don't
know, I think just the idea of just like a big helmet with legs
is very appealing for whatever reason.
Yeah, but again, like it's just there's so much personality in
what you do and like, they're so unique and they don't look, you
know, if you go get a box of goblins, they're all basically
the same goblin, maybe with like a different arm or something
like that. And yours are.
I don't. Like you said, they're just so
incredible. And even at Adept Common, I saw
you sculpting all the faces and stuff.
It's I don't know, I don't. I am not a sculptor.
I have played the green stuff a little bit and I don't fucking
know how you did it. I saw your blog and there's like
how to do a little guy thing and I was like, it looks great in
pictures. It seems like it could be
something you could do but but I know somehow you you put it out
and they look incredible. Well, it's, it's just like
everything else. It's a cumulative, cumulative
skill. And it's like the more time you
spend on it, the better you'll get.
But it's like you're not going to see it.
You're not going to see yourself get better because it's like
how, how it goes. I think there's this little
chart that I don't remember the name of, but it's like, you
know, as your skill goes up, you're going to be able to like,
you get better at it. But then there's also like these
weird little times where you plateau and you feel like you're
not getting better. But since you're continuing to
do, do it, it's like after a certain point, there's like
little breakouts. So it's like you just, it's just
a constant cycle of getting better.
And then you're just like, I don't feel like I'm getting
better. But you are.
It's it's very, it's very odd. But yeah, green stuff is hell to
work with. And it's, it's like sculpting
with like the stickiest like, like just like bubble gum that
doesn't want to work with you and everything.
But it's like when when, when you when you embrace the suck,
you just kind of like you get good at it.
Like you kind of you kind of mess with.
It's like, it's, how do you say? Like it's eccentric nature?
It's, it's a little ecentricities or whatever and
it's just like you get used to it.
But it's, it's, it's, it's a hell of a fucking sculpting
medium. It's terrible.
But wait, wait. Which is funny to say because I
love it. I'm just like.
Do you always just sculpt with green stuff?
Do you ever mix any like Tamia? And do you ever do any other
like epoxy putties at all like any Miller putt, anything like
that, like? It's it's always green stuff,
pure green, pure green for the most part.
I do like using other epoxies like Timia.
Timia is great like that shit is amazing.
I don't like millipa. It's good for blocking stuff
out, but I don't use it because. So there's this thing with
epoxies. Let me just do a little tangent
right here. There's this thing with epoxies
where you can develop an allergy and it's more of like a, the
more you work with it, the more, the higher chance you get to
like develop an allergy to it. To my understanding, green stuff
doesn't really do that or it's known to not do that.
But Millipa is more of a hardware like home fix it stuff.
So it's a little gnarlier. So that one makes my face itchy.
If I work with it, I don't have to touch my face.
It just make like just being into the proximity of like mixed
green stuff. It makes me itchy like just very
vaguely. So I'm just like, I'm not going
to use it because it does that and I will enjoy that
particularly. Yeah, no, yeah, no.
And, and the thing with allergies too is like you could
have like nothing. You could have like a little
tingle one day and the very next day have like an anaphylactic
reaction. Like I had that like super
random. I got a fish allergy at 27,
literally ate fish and like an hour later had some leftovers
and the same fish that didn't give me an allergy before
suddenly I was like intensely allergic to fish with like the
same piece of fish. So like that's.
Fucking wild. That is terrible.
Yeah, yeah. It was crazy.
So, I mean, now I'm vegan so it doesn't matter, but like, but
yeah, if you're a little itchy to middle butt now, don't fuck
with. Yeah, absolutely stay away from
that shit. Like unless you're patching your
bathtub. Like that would absolutely make
sense to just stick with the green stuff then.
That's crazy. I had no idea.
I'd not heard that from anybody at all.
So very good to know if I start tingling while I'm playing with
Tamia to to just stick with green stuff.
Yeah. I think Tamia doesn't do that to
me either. So I think it's just like
there's probably like an earlier like epoxy like activator or
something in Milliput that just does not agree with me.
So I'm just like I'm just that's fine.
Well. I mean, it is Wayne Larner.
I mean, it's just you can say in this stuff, it's literally
design. Isn't it designed to like, like
I said, like patch bathtubs and like tile walls and stuff?
Like you, you, you can, it cures underwater.
You can use it to like fix a pipe or something like, yeah,
it's, it's, it's heavy duty. Like if you've ever fucked with
milliput, like that stuff gets rock hard, you know, like, yeah,
it's it's definitely for like, hey, I need to fill in this
little drywall like whole so I could fucking get my deposit
back real quick, you know, like something weird.
Good to know. And as far as the thing you said
about like the, the, like the, the talent OR the skill
threshold going up, do you feel that, that you had that with
sculpting with, with like green stuff and, and the goblins and
stuff, you know, especially coming from already having a, a
sculpting background, Did you feel when you got in, because
again, that that thing you said that your first batch of goblins
are fucking incredible. Like do do you think that you've
plateaued and peaked and gone up and gut or do you feel like
you're constantly getting better?
Or are you about where you want to be with what you're doing?
I feel like I'm constantly getting better.
I will say that because there are sets that I've released
where I look back now and I'm just like, OK, I could have done
that differently now. I could have made like this,
this body better, like a little base armature or anything.
And it's like you're just always going to get better is the
thing, because as long as you keep doing it, you're just
always going to find different ways to do something.
You're going to find better ways.
You're going to find ways to just cut down on time for things
like prepping, just, you know, maybe like you make a lip like
as a little spaghetti or something and then you stick it
on and do that when and then later down the road, you're just
like, oh, I could just sculpt the lip out right now and then
it looks better. Like, you know, just shit like
that, but it's like, you know, I'm I'm definitely I'm I'm where
I want to be right now, but I could definitely get better.
I will keep improving and the more I do this, that's for sure.
But you know, like I'm doing like little little things that I
wouldn't really think that I would be able to do before,
which is nice in the sense of just like, you know, back then
when I was making those guys, I was doing like a goblin.
I was doing like a whole a couple of days to sculpt the
goblin or something. Whereas now I just have like,
you know, I can make like a whole guy mostly done in like a
day and then finish him over the course of like another day.
If I really like hammer it on. Because it's like, if I want to
be really honest, I would want to say like the accumulated
time, accumulated time to like sculpt.
One guy is probably anywhere from like 8 to 12 hours, maybe
depending of just specific, just sculpting.
Like I'll do maybe like two or three hours a day sprinkled over
like a week. But it's like the grant.
It just accumulates to like around 12 hours or so depending
even less if I, if I use like one of my prior sculpts that I
just like butcher and then use that to make new miniatures,
which is what they used to do in like the 80s and 90s.
Because it's like you can only you can only like fucking.
I treated a guy like a workhorse so many times before.
He's like, I'll just cut off the sword and add a different sword,
cut off the face, add a different face, add some armor.
Do this and set than that. Like it was in the old Citadel
catalogs where it's like they will have a goblin with the same
pose, but his face is different, his spear is different.
One of them is wearing like a boot or something.
The other guy's got like chainmail armor.
It was just like a way to do it to get more out more bang for
your buck when it comes to like the original little masters.
And then you like with with these orcs that I sculpted as of
late, these are all done on like my orc Spearman that I released
before and I made them into like little little doll weapon guys.
I made them into fucking different Spearman, you know.
And it's, it's like, let's see those 3 sculpts that I did turn
into, I think I have like a set of six that has a double hand
weapons. And then I have like an extra 3
that I made into like the Champions retinue for like the
dude with two heads and all that shit.
So it's like what, 99 figures out of those initial 3?
And they all like, I like to change them enough to where the
silhouette is completely different, where it's like, you
know, once if you have them together, you could probably see
the similarities. But it's like much like people,
if you see like, you know, if you go to Mexico, everything,
everybody like it vaguely looks more or less the same with like
very degrees of like little features and everything, you go
to another country, same thing. It's like they're all kind of
the same, but with like specific little things, like they, they
all look like their own people. But you could definitely point
out like that guy's Mexican or something, you know what I mean?
Like, oh, those are orcs. But they all like kind of
different, similar but different.
Like like probably could give a better example or something.
But it's like that's how I see because it's like orcs are orcs.
But it's like there should be some sort of variety there be it
faces, posing, you know, different armor, like maybe this
guy likes shade melon, like a big helmet.
This other guy is completely bold and he has like leather
armor on. But it's like the same, the same
base sculpt, you know, but it's you.
You wouldn't be able to. You could probably pick him out
if you like really stared at him or had him like side by side.
But I want to change him up enough to where it's like, oh,
OK, you know, it just looks like a little ragtag regiment or
something. I mean, I'm looking at one of
your the pictures, maybe this from the website or or from your
Instagram, but they look like a big bunch of them are like a
part of the model are like white metal and then you have like
green over top of it. Is that what you're talking
about? Like you sniff a piece off and
do something different? I mean the go ahead, sorry.
No. I'll just say the other thing
too is like there's only so many poses kind of that you can do
with like a belly and two legs that like, you know, you're
going to do anyway. But you were saying?
I was going to say like, yeah, those that's exactly what
happened. What happens?
It's like all of those guys I've completely sniffed off the the
weapons that like varying degrees.
Sometimes I sniff off like arms. I I always get rid of the face
because it's like the what these guys like the face is just like
doing into the chest. It's like just this humongous
ass head. So it's like I have to get rid
of that completely to like really make a new one.
But it's like, yeah, it just saves time.
You get a different result and it adds more like variety to
your army and everything, I feel, or your little regiment or
something. But it's, it's just a time
saver, man. It really, really is what it is.
But you can have fun with it, which is nice.
You don't have to go through the slog of sculpting a new armature
for each of these guys. It's like, Oh well, just give
them a new face and that's enough to change it up some
armor or something. But now after this, I feel bad
if I do any more on these guys because I feel like I've I've
kind of like squeezed out like all the creative juices on this.
So I'm just like, right. The next set that I do will be
completely different, like completely new armatures and
then I could have more fun with it like that, you know, because
these guys don't have like Shields or anything.
So I'm thinking maybe like some orcs or something with like the
Shields incorporated into the school.
So it's still like a one piece. So, you know, you can go
completely like random directions with that, like, so
I'm going to have fun thinking about that.
I'm also probably going to try to do more like war machines and
like you know, like like boar riders and shit like grunts and
snorters type stuff. I wanted to make kind of like an
Oregon gun thing, like the old goblin Oregon gun from like I
think 3rd edition. It is Warhammer Fantasy War
wyverns, just anything. I just want to kind of branch
out a little bit more and do more bigger stuff.
But it's very imposing. It's very imposing to make a
giant animal, or A4 legged animal for that matter.
You know, that was going to be my next question is if you do so
many like orcs and goblins and stuff like do you see yourself
branching into other things? And are you going to keep you
said, you know, these these war animals and why birds and stuff?
Do you feel like for the most part you're going to stick with
like the old hammer like fantasy vibe?
Or do you do you ever see yourself trying to branch into
something completely different? Because I mean, there's so that
you could spend a lifetime just doing, you know, the old
fantasy, old Hammer stuff. But do you see yourself ever
going into a different direction?
Well, currently no, like I do need to sculpt some sci-fi stuff
because I I sculpted the little guy on the wander reward CC 10K
thing. So that was like that was my
attempt at just making like a like a fake space marine.
And I didn't expect it to be like the I didn't expect it to
turn to like the face of the of like the game, like the probably
the most identifiable thing, which is hilarious to me, which
is wild. It's just, it's just wild that
shit like that happens. But I want to do more sci-fi
things, like more or less like sooner or later.
It's just I I really like fantasy more than sci-fi.
Like that's just, that's them's the brakes.
That's just the way it is. I find it more appealing for
whatever reason. But I do want to branch out like
I've been, I've wanted to make like more like Vampire Counts,
like undead miniatures or something, or maybe like some
peasants or some shit. I don't know, like I have to
have to really like drawn out. Like I do have these ideas, like
I do have things I want to do, but it's like there's only so
much time and like in your day. And then it's like when you have
a day job too, it's like, you know, this is the hobby for me,
you know, like just sculpting little guys and painting stuff.
But yeah, no, definitely do like there are definitely things I
would like to do when it comes to just more wanted reward
miniatures or something because it's like people, people like
Tanner and like other people in the community kind of have that
covered because we do have like a lot of people who sculpt like
sci-fi miniatures that can be used for that.
And it's all people in our little community.
So it's very like cool that it's like it's just kind of like
recycling, like they're recycling, but it's like self
feeding. It's self self productive.
It's really cool. It's really nice to see.
So it's like I don't really have, I don't really feel the
burden of I have to make this. So that's why I don't really do
it. But Speaking of 1 and reward,
you know, that's I mean, I'd love the fuck out of one reward.
I, I tell people all the time, it's like one of the best
skirmish games and teach RPGs all rolled up into one and, and
impossible to navigate at the same time, like games that exist
out right now. And you like, you know, I know
Tanner is like who people see a lot, but your, your name's all
over that book. You did a lot of stuff with one
reward. So like what, like how did one
reward come about? And like, you know, talk to me
about like how you started working with Tanner to to make
that game. Well, well, fucking Tanner was
like one of the one of the earlier people who like hit me
up when I started, like just posting stuff on Instagram,
which is really cool, Super nice.
He's like probably my, he's pretty much like my best friend
at this point. But when it came to wanted
reward, it's like this guy, this guy would always write systems
and everything and he was very out there, which is always
really cool. Like the guy, the guy's unique
in many aspects, but it really shines with his systems and the
way he writes games and everything.
But with wanted reward, I basically had an idea for a game
and I, I don't know, like Jack shit about writing games or
anything, you know, like I, I hardly get the chance to play
them like games in general, but I I do, I do game every so
often, despite what everybody thinks, because I I would joke
about it being like, I've never played a game before, like, you
know, I just play so little. I don't really like have a good
grass roll a lot of shit, but it's like, you know, I'm I'm
changing that as time goes on because it's fun.
These games are fun. It's just hard to find people to
play fucking fantasy. Like in LA especially, There are
people out there, but it's like, you know, the schedules and
everything don't really line up when stuff happens.
It's just being an adult. It is what it is.
But with Tanner, I just kind of like, asked him, like, can you
help me write a game? And he's like, oh, sure.
Like, you know, like, immediately just yeah, yeah,
let's like, fuck it, dude, let's do it.
And the initial idea for this game is I just came up to Tanner
and I told them, how would you translate?
This is so fucking stupid because like, the end result is
nothing like this. How would you translate like,
like, like a Metal Slug esque, like running gun into a tabletop
game? Like, how would you do that?
And then we just kind of like that that turned into like, OK,
what about what about like, you know, bounty hunting or
something? Like we had to have like a gore
or something. So I told them I'm like, OK,
what if we did like a, a thing that was like kind of like a
capture the flag thing where you get like a team of three and a
team of three. And then you have to like, you
know, catch this, this like a bounty and then like get them
out and everything. And, and like, pretty much it
was like a, what is it called? Like an extraction shooter, I
guess would be like the the game version of that where you just
get something and get the fuck out.
And that just kind of like turned into like, all right,
well, the the bounty would have to have goons.
Like it's not just going to be like one guy, right.
So we started doing that and then it's like, all right, well,
what, what if there were civilians?
And then and then once we started getting like the wheels
going Tanners, fucking mine kicked into OverDrive and just
made OK, well, what, what if, what if you could overhear like
civilians talking? Here's a table for that.
What if like, you know, you could build your own, you build
your own guns and everything. What if like, you know, there's
like a panic fucking was it like a hysteria?
Like the hysteria fucking build up and everything.
So then it's like after a certain point, it's like you
just just shit happens. You know, you can get a civilian
arrest, like a civilian could try to tackle you.
A civilian could try to shoot you, a civilian runs away from
you or something like, you know, and then it alerts like the guys
goons and everything. And it's just like this game
really like just gets its own life after a certain amount of
turns and it's fucking stupid. I love it.
It's great. I'm, I'm glad people responded
to it because it's like, and all of this is like, it was really
just what, what, what if we made this thing and it was fun, you
know, like it's fun for people because it's like, you know, we
have our printed copies, but it's like the PDFs, they're for
free. I mean, we updated and
everything. And so it's like it was never
about making money. It was just kind of like, what
about just a cool little game for people?
Because we never expected to even do a printed run.
Like we just kind of did that because we're just like, fuck
it, you know, because, you know, opening a book and flipping
through shit is a lot more reasonable than fucking, you
know. Oh, hold up.
Let me see. Let me see the rule for that.
Yeah. OK, it's like, yeah, that
fucking sucks. I've done that so many times.
It fucking sucks. So, you know, we, we have the
book there for people who want the book, which don't really do
a lot of print runs or anything because it's like we again,
we're not really about the money that comes to this.
If you want, if you want the PDFPDS there, print it out.
Who cares? You know, but it's, it's just so
funny to me how it built a little community and how we get
like random people being like, Oh, I love this game or
something. And we've had people like we had
a, a demo day at La War Games. Some guy helped me run it.
I forget, I forget his name. I'm so bad for names.
But he helped me run it because I as much as I've like am a Co
creator of this game. I was very hands off which
Tanner really took hold of it. So it's like it's Tanner says
it's my game, but it's really Tanner's game and Gabe's as
well, which is my friend Niall Nelly who helped a lot with the
play testing and everything and making up our forum and
everything. We have a forum.
There's a fucking that's like completely dead, but it's there.
If people like it, like we just did it because we were like,
fucking why not? But it's like I just came up
with the idea. Tanner really flushed it out.
Tanner really made it live. Gabe also did a lot.
He helped like refine the rules and everything, and he also had
suggestions and everything he play tested, you know, like
there's, there's a lot and then a lot of people helped play
tested as well. Like, but like the LA War games
demo day, the response was astounding.
We had, I had a lot more people there than anticipated.
And it would be people who aren't in the discord, people
who aren't like, you know, in contact with me and Tanner.
And then they'd be like, Oh yeah, I love this game.
I've played, me and my friends have played like a couple games
like ever since we found it. And I'm like, are you on the
Discord? No, it's like where the where
the fuck did you find this? Like who, who, who who showed
this to you? Like there's like oh, I think I
think the thing was like they saw it on like an HI, like on
the H dot IO thing or something, or I don't know how, but I'm
people find this game and we don't know how they find it
sometimes. And it's really it's really it
makes you feel good that they that they enjoy it.
You know, like we had a we had a random guy make like a like a
fucking target generator. Like, I think it's like big
bounty board, big shot BBS dot GitHub dot IO.
They just made a fucking a website that generates bounties
and everything. And it's, again, don't know who
this guy is. He just popped into the Discord
when they said, hey, I made this for like, you know, bounty
generation. And it's just like, oh, OK,
thank you, thank you very much. It's like, yeah, the game's
going. It's like, I'm glad you enjoy
it. You know, it's just what what?
What what fuck what I enjoy about it, It's just that people
like it because it's like, at the end of the day, nobody's
making money off this. And we just kind of like threw
something into the ether for the sake of throwing it into the
ether. Like we, we, we just left our
baby on the side of the road and someone picked it up, you know,
like. Yeah, but it's an, it's an
incredible game. I love it.
And it's, it's, you know, I, I really think that much like, you
know, we were talking with the miniatures, the personality that
comes out in the miniatures like that really draws people to it.
And, and same thing with the game too, Like it's a game that
is like super fun, but also like a little bit challenging to
parse and like kind of ridiculous to play in some parts
and this and that. And like that little bit of
friction and that little bit of like personality and interest in
it really just pulls people in the entire thing.
And plus like the PDF being free, the website where you can
generate like your weapons, you got the character sheets on
there. You got like the forum, like you
said on there, like you've made it really accessible for people
when they do find it to be able to like play it and, and, and
again, like it's just like it's ridiculous in the best way.
And every time I've played it, it's just been ridiculous.
Like to the point where like when you're reading it and
you're like, oh, like I have to come up with like lines of code
for the way that like my Droid acts while also doing these like
10 other things. Like it's just ridiculous.
And it's so good. And the book came out so well.
Like the the IT was Dylan Moleska that did the cover art
for that. Right.
Yeah. Dylan Moleska did the cover art.
He's a, he's a genuine sweetheart.
And it's it came out great. He did an amazing job with it.
Yeah, I wanted to, I wanted to stray away from like grim dark
or like fucking more boring bright colors or collage, you
know, like I'm just like, no, this is, this looks like
something you'd walk into a GameStop and buy a fucking like,
oh, that cover looks interesting or some shit.
And then you fuck off and then you're like, wow, this game
sucks and then you return it. But it's we wanted it to be like
just different. It's us.
It's not, we're not trying to be somebody else.
It's just our stuff, you know? Yeah, it very much channels that
kind of like Nintendo box feel of almost like like like a smash
brothers kind of thing where there's like a mash up a bunch
of different characters just like all kind of like popping
and and it's great. It fits the game.
You know, I snagged it and I fucking I got it in zip disc and
I don't even have a fucking zip disc player, but I wanted to
have all the ways to have the game and it's sick.
Like I, you know, I, I'm very glad to have it and super stoked
that it was in miniature and I grabbed a every fucking metal
miniature there too. Like they were great.
Merlin, I don't know if you met him, was also doing like
incredible 1 reward miniatures too.
Merlin is an amazing kid dude like that guy, that guy, like
he, he's been just in that little discord and just talking
to me in town here for like a good while now.
And he's, he's a, he's a genuine dude.
And you know, he came all the way from Germany.
The dude's like 19. He came with a box full of hand
sculpted metal miniatures and they're really good.
And it's just like, dude, yes, like that's what that's what
it's about. It's like you got to be like
that. That kid just has his fucking
foot in the door. You got a head start.
He's it's cool. It's really cool to see.
He was really cool to meet him too, because it was like you,
you literally came from Germany just for this.
Like, you know, it's, it's funny, crazy.
Yeah. And he's.
Cool kid he's he came with his dad too.
His dad was fucking playing. Games the whole time too, which
was sick. Yeah, they were both great.
They both played my game, which was fucking awesome.
And yeah, and dude, if my dad would have played fucking
scrimmage games and I was 19 and I was doing a little like I wish
I was having school as Merlin at 19, that kid is fucking awesome.
So my. Dad just fucking came home from
work and drank beer. That's all he did.
It's like, it's like the other thing, Like cool, but yeah.
No, it's it's it's cool. It was it was really it was
really, really cool to see. Did I also see did I also see
some like dungeon synth somewhere in like your your
Instagram link? Is that a thing that's also
about fool? Is that what?
It is, yeah. Fool is is like me.
Like, I don't, I don't, I don't understand how to make music on
the computer. So I attempted to make something
dungeon synthy and it's just like garbage loops with with
like the audio levels being too high.
Like like Steve, Steve told me he wanted to make it into like a
thing like, yeah, I'll make it into like a cassette or
whatever. And I'm like, yeah, sure.
And I send him the the files and he's like, can we like mess with
it to like fix the levels and everything?
And I'm like, yeah, sure, go ahead.
Like I don't care. Do whatever you need to do.
And he said they lowered it like a lot.
And it's still too loud. And I'm like, you wanted to make
this man out of it. Yeah.
It was basically just, I was just having fun.
I just did. I think I made those like in one
evening, like on Thanksgiving, like 2024, Thanksgiving 2024.
And I was just, I was just like, I have to fit.
I have to make 4 songs and then Gabe helped me make like a weird
little jazzy thing at the end, which I don't have online
because I thought that'd be fun. So like 10 seconds or something,
something really short. But it was fun.
It was just like, it's a little experiment and just trying
something out, you know? Like if people like it, they
like it, they don't, they don't, who cares?
I think that's how I approach everything now as as a kid, I
kind of cared what a lot of people would think of and
everything. But now I'm just like, hey, if
you don't like it, you need shit.
I don't really care. Like, you know, like, but.
Like that's the way to do it. That's the way to hobby too.
You know what I mean? Like you, you, you hobby.
Well, like you hobby, right. I don't know how to say how
people hobby right and wrong, but like you made like something
that's fucking awesome and you're just like it exists.
If you like it, play it. If you don't fuck off.
Like I'm not making any money. Who cares?
Like, you know, you're you're you were like, Hey, I want to
make some music. So you threw some tracks out
there and people like it. They don't like this drive for
everyone to like, like fucking Max out their hobbies so that
they can somehow like like make a living from every single thing
that they do and like make everything like perfect all the
time and drive towards it is crazy.
Like I wish people were like more accepting of just doing
things because they enjoy it. And if it's not perfect and
you're never going to get like super fucking great at it,
that's fine because you just had fun.
And it feels like you do that like to the nines and it's
really respectable. Well, it's, it's just because if
you strive for perfection, you're going to finish it.
I think you're never going to really hit the perfection.
So it's like good enough is good sometimes.
And that goes to all aspects of like hobbying.
And it's just like, you know, if you want to get better, you'll
get better. Just keep doing it.
It's just like, I feel there's like a weird thing right now.
I feel when it comes to hobbying where it's like everybody's
really accepting and they give people thumbs up when they make
kind of bad stuff. And it's like, it's fine if
that's the best of their ability, good shit, but like
help people out. Like like everybody tells people
to thin their paints or something, but it's like, dude,
teach someone how to glaze, teach someone how to fucking
like build something. Because it's like I've had
people reach out to me and ask for help and I'll give them
help, but they just don't use it.
It's really weird. It's really odd, but it's like
just help people out. I and I, I think I seem very
unapproachable online, but generally when people message me
for anything, I, I like to help them out to the best of my
ability. And sometimes, you know, I get,
they get the result they want, sometimes they don't.
But I, I like when people reach out because it's like, if I can
help you, that's cool because that's what people did for me,
you know, like that's, that's kind of, that's kind of the
thing about this hobby that I like that.
It's like, sometimes you'll find someone you really like who's a
much better obvious than you. And what happens is like you
become friends and they kind of like mentor you almost into like
how to do this, how to do like, oh, you can better get a better
result by like, you know, using this paint and thinning it this
much or something or using a brush like this or this specific
tool or something, or, you know, stuff like that.
It's stuff that never doesn't really come to you.
Like you wouldn't have known if some guy wasn't like, hey, just
do this. And you're like, oh, that makes
sense. That makes a lot of sense
actually. But it's like, it's cool.
And I think that's where social media shines here and there,
especially with like the local communities and everything
because it's like, you know, if you ask us a question, you
sometimes people make fun of you.
It's fine. There's like very tongue in
cheek, like jokes and everything.
I know I'm guilty of them. I'm kind of an asshole, but but
I will, I will, I will help people if, you know, if they ask
me for help. Like there's, there's just no
way about that. Like you're not, nobody's going
to get better if everybody just constantly tells you that you
suck, which isn't the case. It's very accepted here so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like you said, especially
within the skirmish community, it's been, it's been really
great. Like we, you know, not saying
that the TRPG community isn't, but that's been, you know, our
bread butter on the show for a really long time.
But as I've been shifting into skirmish more and more, that's
one thing that I tell everybody is just that the community is
fucking incredible. Like almost everyone I've talked
to in the space is super nice, super welcoming.
Like you said, like super, like you like this here, try this or
this or that or that. Then everyone I've reached out
to, you know, about like the show or about like adapt con
about anything. Everyone has just been so
pleasant and so kind. And it's just been a really cool
thing to get into. So if you're trying to get into
the hobby base, you know, reach out to people.
It's been, it's been really great.
And I think that the industry trust discord is really good
help for that. And then I've been able to find
a lot of people from that into other places.
So yeah, it's been great. And like you said, just helping
people. And I've anytime I've had
questions, people have, people have answered them and it's
been, it's been really great to see.
Yeah. And if you don't, if you don't
fit in somewhere to like, if let's say for whatever reason in
Rust, we trust you, like you don't respond to it or
something, There's other communities like you can, you
will find, you will find your niche.
Or if you don't find it right away, just stick around.
Like you'll find people who like fit into you, fit in with you a
lot more because it's like you're not going to like
everybody. Not everyone's going to like
you. That's completely fine.
But don't let it beat you down. Like you will find people, be it
in Rust we trust or anywhere else really.
You just got to kind of got to keep at it.
It just, it sucks sometimes, but it's like you got to you got to
wade through stuff. Yeah, but I mean that's part of
growing up, like the older you get, the fewer friends you have.
That's just like how it works. And then you just got a whole
lot of the ones you have and, and work and making new ones.
When you get the opportunity to, to have that kind of community
and things like Adepticon, things like fantasy fest, things
like, you know, the the those discord communities or game
communities are, are great places to find that.
You know, one, it has a, a, a community around it that build
up and people have met each other, you know, at, at at
Adepticon and we're playing, you know, playing with Tanner and
stuff and it was great. So like you said, just like
everything, just keep at it and, and try to find your people.
And it's, it's a good community to find people.
And one of the other things you had on your, on your links was a
blog that had, I think 4 posts on it, maybe 5.
Are you, are you going to, are you going to pick that back up?
Or is that you know, because two of them, I mean, how did make a
Goob 1 and 2 are fantastic posts, but is that a thing that
you're going to continue with or is that just going to be like
when you get around to it? Those were for fun for the most
part. I, I should pick it back up
because I like speaking into the void, I'm not going to lie,
because it's like there's something really nice about no,
no like not knowing if people fucking read it or not, which is
like the best part of like the old Internet where it was like
you just kind of did it because you were a fucking, you're this,
this, this demented freak who would just write on your own
website and get like 0 responses, but you do it all the
time for some reason. But I, I mean sooner or later,
yeah, I, I have like, I think like 2 YouTube videos up to that
I have to finish. I made like sculpted sculpt the
fucking gob with the goo or whatever.
And I have like these little tiny feet that I need to finish
and make more videos on, but I'm, I have a fucking day job.
I'm not, I'm not making, I'm not making a fucking living off like
making YouTube videos. This isn't my niche.
Like if I really wanted to, I'd put the time into it and I want
to, but I don't really want to. Like, you know, I'll, I'll do it
when I, when I really get the fucking itch.
But I, I don't have plans. But it's like it's, it's never a
no. Yeah, but I mean that's just
that's just interacting with Internet like it would be cool
if we grew the podcast bigger, but I also don't feel like
getting on TikTok or posting more than once a week.
So like it's not going to happen because it's not really that
important to me then. But like going forward, you
know, we already talked about your expanding your what you
want to do with miniatures like we talked about wanna reward it.
Is there any other games you got cooking on the background or is
that just when you get the inspiration same thing?
Like maybe something else will pop up?
Fuck, let's see, let's see, let's see I have a Google Docs
full of like 3 song, 3 songs, 3 fucking games and shit.
Hold up. I have like 4 or five that I
worked on, but I have let's see. I had I had a really shitty like
works in goblins based ranking flank called Gore Magog.
That was one. Then I had one that was a
skirmish game, a swampy skirmish game.
Wow, what a fucking dinner. It wasn't orcs and goblins, but
it was like I was thinking more of a four humors bio orthodox
like Christian ish stuff. But I didn't want it to be grim
dark. I wanted it to be like like
funnier. I don't know, like it's it's
it's based on the four humors. So there's a lot of like, like
body like gross body shit. What?
Isn't there isn't there like a genre that kind of isn't like
whim whim dark or something like that?
Isn't there one that it's like dark, but like has some like
humor to it? I feel like it's something like
that and that sounds exactly like what you're going for.
Like I'm. Trying.
To think I. I I like, like, I like like
gross out like trova shit. So that's that's kind of my
niche that I like. Like we got, we got bio magics
and shit like this. This game is called Bio Bog.
Yeah, you like, you like the, you, you look, the humors are
like bile and blood and all that kind of flim.
And then you got another one called bile.
Yeah, you kind of like the, the, the gross body stuff, huh?
Yeah, I do. It's very, it's very funny, like
yellow bile. Is it Kaleric magics?
I have one of them that's like Yuri and javelin.
So it's just like a you just do like a little 12 inch long PB
line. You know what kind of thing?
Think like think like think like Warhammer like fucking flame
template but it's just P it's. Just P yeah.
Incontinence, involuntary expression, shit like that.
Just like, yeah, the green, the phlegm 1, you just like launch a
bogey at someone's a little fucking booger.
But that sounds fucking awesome dude.
Like if I can make that shit. Well, I am it's, it's very I'll
share it with you even look, give it a look over.
Very excited for that. Very excited for for for boogers
and piss It's. It's basically that's why I'm
all like, yeah, these guys have to be like peasants and shit,
you know? Yeah, that's awesome.
Like there's there's a good skeleton there.
I really, I really enjoyed this and I play tested it with with
fucking Dylan Molisko and he helped me out and it was really
cool. He made like little cards for
it, which is really cool for him to do, But it's, it's, it's got,
it's got a base. It's just, I didn't want to
fucking immediately be like, oh, another fucking muddy swamp
game. Like not not muddy swamp, but
like another muddy core game like turnip or sludge or
anything like that. You know, like I didn't want to,
I didn't want to just be seen as like because, because it's like
the idea for it is I wanted to make the PDF for the book for it
with a a lot of paper, like hand sculpted art instead of
illustrations like I have, I have these guys that I was going
to put on the cover and see because like there's like a main
organ for like each bile or whatever.
So it would be like the spleen. I had like a little paper clay
spleen I made. Paint nice.
Then I had the note, the fucking.
I used to think that phlegm would come off from like your
brain or whatever. So I got a little brain with a
nose on it and I fucking sculpted and painted.
You know, they got little, little ocker liver and of course
that hurt. Dude those are great looking
organs. Well, it's it's all paper clay
stuff I used to be really good at.
Well, I still am good at paper clay.
And they had like a little little homunculus jar guy right
here. Oh dude that is sick as fuck.
Yeah, it's very like I had a good basis and I just need to do
it. It's like he's supposed to be
pressing up against the bottle. It's it's something I should
pick up again sometime soon when I have more time.
But it's very much, it was just like a little passion project.
I had an idea and I just wanted to go after it.
Of course, Tanner still helped me on a lot of it as well, but I
wanted to be more like hands off, like more more just me.
So it's like if I need stuff to work, I'll fucking hit up Tanner
and ask him to help me if he has time.
This that's that's that one. And then that's bile Bog.
There's a lot of shit there's it's, it's very broken.
There's words that I need to I think I use like 3 words for
fucking the currency. So I think there's like gold
pieces, silver and like some other shit where someone it's
just unusable. But it does work to an extent.
I also did a, a bio buildup system in it because I wanted to
make a little system to like, make it, you know, like a little
bit more interesting because it's like, you know, for the
four humors, like the thing was like, you know, if you had more
of 1 bile color, you'd become imbalanced and that's why you
would get sick. Like, you know, you got a tummy
ache. So you got like too much yellow
bile. So we're going to have you like
like poop in a bucket or something, I don't know.
So like the way that this bile buildup system would work is we
have like these little cards and then you put a dice on each bile
thing and to use biomagics, I think it's like each unit has a
amount of bile that it regenerates and you choose a
bile type or a color for your war band.
So it's like, you know, if you want to do red magics, you your
war band regenerates all like red, you know, or all blue or
whatever the fuck it is. And each each magic.
This is your mana essentially. And if you have like a wizard or
something, he'll generate like more.
And then it's like when they do the attacks and you, you know,
like, let's say your war band is red bile and then your your
fucking friend's war band is like green.
He can't really use that bio color.
So he does like bio buildup or some shit.
So it's like you can use I think different bio colors, but it's
like you have a chance to like whiff it because it's not like
you're specific thing. So the point, the point of this
was the longer the game goes on, the more bio build up there will
be. And if you keep getting, if you
keep fucking like fighting each other, you can do like infused
attacks and shit. So it's like you will give the
other person your bio color and they can't fucking really use
it. So after a certain point you
start getting like drawbacks. So they'll be like, I think, I
think once you have like a certain amount of bile things,
which is like, you know, more the markers are like a little
dice. So you put it up and then if you
go above 6, you just keep stacking up the dice And it's
very like you build it up real quick and it's really fun to
just try to pass it to each other.
And like, how do you say like just use it up like, because
you're just like, I need to get the fuck out of this because my
guy keeps getting like incapacitated every time I I
roll at the start of the fucking thing.
So that that that concept worked really well.
That was really fun. I didn't work on it more though,
but it was it's it's it's a it's got, it's got a good skeleton.
It really does have a good skeleton on it.
I just need to fuck around with it more.
I think I'm trying to, I think my issue is I'm trying to make
it like suitable for campaign play, but I think it might be
better for just like a one off thing, which is like sometimes
that's just what it is. You just, you can't really force
it into something that it's not. Well, yeah, at the end of the
day too, like realistically you're going to get more play
out of one offs than than convincing people to be able to
do with campaign stuff anyway. But it sounds great.
Like I love the idea of of a system that's not fighting that
still fucks with like the other person, which is which is
really, really cool. Yeah, like there's, there's a
lot of like AOE spells, like stream spells and all that
stuff. And then I really like going
heavy into the equipment and like magical stuff.
So it's like there are things to like items that you can buy to
like like expose bile or something like that.
When you pick a color and then you just turn it to 0, there's
like the little homunculus jar thing, which is supposed to be
like a, a throne thing. And then once you throw it, you
like roll on what kind of unit it's going to give you.
So it can give you nothing or it can give you like the equivalent
of like a, like a troll or an ogre, like just a big
motherfucker for no reason. And it's like, you know, there's
all these little things. It's, it's like, I wanted it to
be very fun. And then so that's that one.
And then I have another one called mob rule, which is like a
work in progress name, which is like the concept for that one
was like you get like a 50mm base and you fit as much little
guys as you can on there. So like a little orcs and
goblins like war band, but just on one base.
And then you just fight against like another war band.
And each the idea behind that is that like you have a base like
war band thing, like stat. So it's like, you know, and then
every time you add a goblin or snot laying or non copyrighted
term for green skin on the base and they'll add like, you know,
like plus plus one like attack or something agility, like shit
like that. So it's like you, you can have
like a really opie little war band as long as you just you
just make them fit on there. And I was trying to avoid people
like stacking them up on each other, like just stupid.
But it's it was it was more of like a a way to get like a cool
little unit filler and just to make like AI don't know, just
kind of it's kind of like, you know how there's games where you
make dioramas and everything and it's like a diorama building
game. The the appeals that you get
like a diorama. The appeal for this one was just
again, kind of get like a cool little little goblinoid war band
on one base to just kind of use for whatever.
But that that's still kind of like a super work in progress,
But I just like the idea of having them all on one base like
that because it just looks cool when they're all crowded
together. And I feel like you're kind of
you kind of lose that with like them each on their individual
base, which is not a bad thing either.
Like it's just I was just like, I wonder what this would look
like. But I there's it's just like a
it's a fun idea. It's it's all of the stems to
like, hey, that sounded cool to me.
And then I had a one-on-one like one V1 type fucking game that's
just supposed to be like a like a little gladiator pit.
And then you have like a war band of maybe like one or three
guys or something, which is called like Obscena toast, which
is supposed to be more like Realms of Chaosi generate your
guy. And then you know, there's
there's your stuff. But that one is like completely.
I made like a logo for it, which looks really fucking cool.
But apart from that, nothing. I I really just thought the name
sounded cool and I was. Just like that sound cool yeah.
I love the idea of like one V1 skirmish.
My next game that I've been working on is A1V1 sumo skirmish
game because I'm a big sumo fan and trying to come up with like
the one V1 stuff has been really, really interesting when
so much stuff is is like unit based and everything.
So I I love the idea of like if skirmish is small then like dual
is even smaller so. Yeah, it's, it's, it's just,
it's just hard to like when you get to that skill where it's
just like a dueling or something, a duel.
It's it's very hard to like, not make it just like, hey, you run
at this guy and you hit each other.
You know, it's, you got to have something else there.
There has to be like some something that makes it
interesting because it's very easy to just fall into that
these guys just hit each other thing.
Yeah, it's kind of like even in teach RBGS, like the number of
times that you get stuck in a doorway and it's like you could
advance past it, but if you just hit in the doorway, I hit in the
doorway. Nothing is happening here but
his bullets punching. So yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, so those so those are on the horizon for you or these
other games that are coming out. And I love just how goofy and
but like interesting everything is that you're making.
And just the idea of just like I had this cool idea.
It sounds cool to me. Like I'm gonna make this and
it's gonna come out like, I don't know, it's it's it's
really cool. Like the stuff that you make is
is incredible as far as like your miniature making.
And as you said, with, with one reward, like getting this idea
in your head and that's what came out of it at the end is it
is awesome. So it's, it's really cool to
see. It's really cool to follow.
Like I said, as soon as I I encountered you on the Internet,
I've been a fan ever since and it's been great to get to talk
to you as well. But for, for those that don't
know where to find you on the Internet, like where can people
find your miniatures? Where can people find like all
of the these games that that you're talking about making?
Where, where? Where are you on the Internet?
I'm on Instagram, that's about it like I mean that has all my
links and everything. My Instagram is Goobins gitz,
GOOBINSGITZ on Instagram, nothing else.
If you want anything from me, it's my links are all in the
bio. If you want to send me a
message, send me a message. My my response will vary, but
but if I post stupid shit on my story, just don't, don't take it
seriously. I'm very I like to make fun of
everything. Not, not in the sense of like
I'm making fun of people, but I'm just like very stupid
online. Yeah, I'm a shit poster.
I'm a shit poster. That's all.
It's fun. I built, I built this castle
brick by brick with shit posts and that's what it is.
So. There we go.
Don't don't take it too seriously.
And and and grab grab a T-shirt, grab the gobbos that from from
Gobbins grotto. Make sure you click the link
below. I'll make sure it's the fucking
Internet. So when you click the links
below, like that's where they'll be whenever you watch this
episode. So Goob, I just want to say
thank you so much for coming on and chatting.
It was a pleasure to meet you at Adoptcon and at fantasy fest.
I'm really glad that you you agreed to, to come chat and it's
been it's been a wonderful time. Yeah, no problem.
It's it's always nice to hear myself talk.
Yeah. Yeah.
Cool. So once again, thank you and
that's going to be us for today. So everyone out there, thanks
for listening and we will see you next time.
Bye.