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Hello and welcome to the Weekly 
Scroll Podcast. 

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My name is Ryan. 
And I am. 

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Yeah, and I'm Jared, this week's
special guest. 

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This week, this month, the 
permanent special guest. 

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At this point, you are. 
You've been on the show more 

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than anybody but us, I'm 
positive. 

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Maybe Stella? 
Yeah, Stella gets on a bunch 

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because she does a bunch of 
games with you guys. 

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Yeah. 
She's she's like, she's our our 

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our third for the weekly 
squirrel APS like designated 

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member of the show. 
I've been trying to get some 

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stuff. 
Did I send you a pen? 

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No, I. 
Didn't I? 

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I had another thing that I was 
trying to get finished made. 

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And then when I do, I'll send 
you. 

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We got new enamel pins made. 
I'll send you, I'll send you 

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one. 
But but this is this is episode 

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201 for us because now every 
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sequential order since our 200 
was our last one. 

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So welcome 1st guest in the two 
hundreds, Jarrett Crater of 

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Space Penguin, Inc. 
Congratulations on doing 200 

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episodes. 
That's a lot for a podcast. 

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And how many years is it? 
Is it 2 years now? 

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Or the end of the year will be 
3. 

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You've done like 2 1/2 because 
so technically your episode 267.

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68. 
No, this will be 67. 

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That was 66. 
OK, cool. 

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This will be episode 267. 
Yeah, so 3 1/2 years, I feel 

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like so. 
We're going to be, it's going to

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be very soon until we hit 300 
right after our 200 because we 

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just numbered them stupid. 
I just numbered them stupid. 

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But but yeah. 
So are you going to renumber 

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them then or I'm? 
Not going to renumber them. 

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It's just last episode will be 
#200 and this episode will be 

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#267 and people will think they 
lost 67 episodes but they 

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didn't. 
It's just. 

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Going to be. 
In order, Yeah. 

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So good times. 
And your hair is much shorter. 

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You got all. 
You got your ears lowered. 

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Yeah, got the summer cuts 
because of the definite heat and

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humidity down here in Florida. 
Beautiful. 

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Is it like 80 degrees 80% 
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It's like 85 to 95 and then like
95% humidity, so. 

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Does it rain every single day? 
It pretty much rains every day 

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around 3:00 PM for about an hour
or so and just makes it 

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oppressively muggy outside. 
That sucks. 

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Yeah, it's pretty rough. 
So Florida's obviously the worst

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because it way worse than what 
I'm about to say because it's by

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the ocean. 
But the only things I miss on 

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the East Coast, because I used 
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northeast, the very close to the
ocean. 

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The only things I miss are 
fireflies because for some 

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reason there aren't any in 
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And thunderstorms. 
And it wasn't like in the 

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summer, it wasn't daily 
thunderstorms, but it was like 

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every three to four days. 
So instead of like the daily 

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buildup of humidity, it took 
three to four days. 

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But then you get like an entire 
day of just thunderstorms one 

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nice day, 2 muggy days and then 
thunderstorms storms. 

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So I do miss the thunderstorms. 
Nice. 

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I. 
Think I've heard Thunder once 

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out here in like. 
Yeah, we don't get thunderstorms

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here. 
That rains a lot. 

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It's raining probably right now 
and it's like 50° outside, so 

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you. 
Don't get thunderstorms in in 

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the in the PNW. 
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That's unfortunate. 
Just rains, just lightly miss. 

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It's not even like a full range.
It's kind of spitting on you, 

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you know? 
That's, you know what's funny? 

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When you tell people, I've said 
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spitting to people in California
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what I mean. 
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Where you're just walking 
through a wall of water. 

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No, it's just like, it's just 
kind of like sprints in just a 

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tiny bit, just enough to like 
kind of feel it a little bit, 

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just spitting on you. 
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Yeah. 
But random rain tangent, 

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apparently this one, we're on 
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Really. 
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realize, but the West Coast, 
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culturally because a lot of the 
buildings are, you know, Mexican

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style buildings, there is not a 
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So when it rains it just you 
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And on the East Coast, if it's 
raining outside, you could walk 

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down like 10 city blocks and not
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the road. 
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It took me, I remember the day 
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I'm wet because none of these 
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You're just standing in the rain
all the time because it doesn't 

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fucking rain. 
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How's Florida with? 
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coverage, usually with trees and
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We live in a fairly suburban 
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buildings. 
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you go to the grocery store, 
you're going to get soaked 

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between the grocery store and 
the front door of your car, the 

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door of your car in the front 
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Like it just you just, you just 
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So. 
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it's such a completely different
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literally used to like I 
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drive a car, but still living at
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And like we would all, you know,
go grocery shopping with my 

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parents and then my mom would 
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car to bring it to the front of 
the grocery store because it was

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raining. 
And like, you know, the I'd 

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alternate with my older sister 
and who's going to have to run 

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through the rain to bring it in 
versus again, California. 

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I can't remember last time I 
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his what it is. 
I mean, we're all going to be 

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boiling soon, but you know, 
climate change isn't real or 

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anything, so. 
No, it's all fake. 

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Fake news. 
Yeah, fake news. 

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I'm going. 
To see how many roads melt this 

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year. 
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So, so, so so, so what's new 
with Space Penguin Inc? 

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What's been, What's been going 
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We have finished primary Karen 
fulfillment. 

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So all of that out the door now 
we're taking care of folks whose

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packages have gotten missed or 
have gotten damaged in the 

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transit. 
So we're replacing those and 

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things like that. 
Shipping out boxes to retailers 

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the other day, exciting. 
I shipped out my first pallet 

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from here. 
Debbie and I like she actually 

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stayed home and helped me build 
the pallet and wrap it all up. 

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It was it's kind of fun for 
those who never shipped the 

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pallet out of residential. 
Hopefully you have a good 

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driver. 
And we did it and he was really 

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super nice and he had a powered 
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his truck. 
And so he got everything out 

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really quick and avoided the 
rain, which is good. 

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We are currently Debbie is in 
process of fulfilling survivors 

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of the core wars are in PC deck 
for Mothership. 

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So y'all should be going out in 
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pretty good. 
Thanks. 

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I think that's going to be the 
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months that's going to 
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backed like like nine of those 
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But that'll be I think. 
I think a couple more have hit, 

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one of the ones that was UK 
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because I talked to Luke Gearing
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got one. 
Maybe. 

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Maybe I didn't back that one. 
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We'll be in the first few that 
will fulfill. 

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So then comes with a cool 
sticker, it comes with a cool 

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patch. 
Everything all usual. 

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Mothership project has a patch. 
Has a patch with it. 

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Unheard of. 
Crazy. 

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It was our first patch and I 
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I didn't learn how to do it 
pretty well so and I found a 

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good place thanks to Marco told 
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Called. 
The what is it called? 

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I can't even remember now. 
Not the shield, anyway. 

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The studio, the. 
Studio. 

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And they were super easy to work
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in no time flat, which was 
pretty cool. 

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We're not going to do a whole 
lot of those just because we, 

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even though we do mothership 
stuff like say it's a 

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requirement of Mothership month 
to do a patch or something like 

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that. 
We'll probably do another one 

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like that. 
But normally we just don't 

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because we like to try to be 
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can, if, if at all possible. 
So it just really depends on 

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what goes in those packages 
because if you put a patch in 

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there, you can't ship it. 
You're not supposed to ship it 

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medium mail. 
I know a lot of people do, but. 

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If you get caught, man, they're 
going to say no, no, no, no, no.

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Well, they'll, what they'll do 
is they'll remove your ability 

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to drop off that mail at that 
spot and then you'll have other 

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spots to drop it off at. 
And then that just complicates 

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your life because you, how are 
you that just, if I didn't have 

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my local post office to go to 
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they opened, I don't know what I
would do with myself. 

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Yeah. 
What now? 

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Now do like would something like
this be able to go in media mail

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or does it specifically has to 
be like a Zine like the for 

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those in podcast lanes like a 
card? 

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Technically that's an 
advertisement, so it's not 

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supposed to go. 
It's supposed to be 8 pages or 

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more and it has to be bound in 
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mail. 
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Writing on it as well, right? 
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anything short of an 8 page 
zeem. 

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So when you send out stuff like 
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to send those out media mail and
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It's it's all kind of check with
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they'll give you a thing about 
and tell you exactly what you 

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can ship media mail and what 
cannot. 

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Some some places tend to like 
let you slide stuff through. 

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Unfortunately for us mine 
doesn't down here so we've 

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always just shipped ground 
advantage unless it was medium 

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mail. 
If it was just a book, so. 

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But I mean, you know, except for
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government right now, respect 
your local post office. 

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I mean, you know, it makes sense
to a point. 

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Like the reason media mail was a
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like share books and maintain 
intelligence and all those kind 

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of things. 
So it's like I, it's, you know, 

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be a little sneaky, but don't be
too sneaky, I guess for, for 

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the, for the listeners, you 
know. 

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Yeah, so we've got survivors of 
Core Wars going out right now, 

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and then after that we'll be 
ghosted. 

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So is on a mountain, we'll be 
going out. 

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We had a minor snafu with that 
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Your boy here put in a stretch 
goal of a ribbon bookmark and 

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then failed to tell his printers
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that book. 
So in order to make that up to 

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all you lovely backers, we have 
printed the stretch goal that we

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did not meet, which was the 
sellers, which was a pamphlet 

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that to almost did for it's like
another expansion for the inside

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of the one of the houses. 
It's the sell one of the houses.

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So we've done that instead. 
So hopefully no one's too upset.

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We'll of course refund if people
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bookmark in their book. 
But I don't see a whole lot of 

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people being upset about a 
ribbon being missed. 

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I think most people would 
probably rather get. 

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More content. 
More content, something they can

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use seems to me to make more 
sense over something. 

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It's a pretty slim book. 
It's 88 pages as well. 

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So it's like it didn't really 
need the ribbon in the first 

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place in my opinion. 
But we did put it on there. 

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So and then I screwed up and 
didn't do it. 

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So for all of you on Podcast 
Land listening, that you can 

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blame me. 
Well, just just just go to your 

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local Wait, not Joann Fabrics, 
because they're gone. 

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What what Whatever fabric store 
you have left, are there any 

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that are set around? 
Does Michael still exist? 

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Get a little strip of fabric, 
put a little glue in and and 

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you're good to go. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Glue the top your book together.

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All of them. 
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And then that's not this one, 
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One, it'll be fine. 
Yeah, right. 

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It'll be good you. 
Mean glue them together, and it 

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would be fun to try to figure 
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without ruining it. 
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adventure. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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that, I don't think. 
No, it's more of a RIP. 

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Oh shit, yeah. 
Yeah, so and then what's coming 

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up after as I was on a mountain?
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Liminal horror deluxe edition. 
We're getting ready to send away

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to order up a proof copy of 
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The interiors aren't completely 
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blue proof with blank pages and 
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weights and things like that so 
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pre-order store set up. 
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waiting on. 
We just had, Zach just did a 

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rough cover version just so we 
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to possibly look like. 
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sample copy and then we'll be 
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that. 
It's a big book. 

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It's 432 pages, so there's going
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gutters and a normal liminal 
horror book. 

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There's plenty of room for the 
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just make sure that you're not 
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stuff into the gutters. 
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David Gutters, people remember 
your, your, your margins. 

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the show before. 
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Horror Deluxe? 
Luminal Horror, after Luminal 

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Horror Deluxe coming up this 
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Dead, which you have the flyer 
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infection scenario, Forbidden 
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Excuse me? 
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It's got a great new noise 
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possibly be overrun at the end 
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And it's got some really cool 
decoy panic. 

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actually cinematically play that
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make their last stand, which is 
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Pretty pretty good zombie flick 
if you ask me. 

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I so I have actually been 
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this do you see the shelf I'm 
pointing to right now in podcast

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land? 
You can't. 

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But you see all that? 
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forbidden some. 
Hell yeah. 

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It is, it is 2/3 of the shelf. 
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the the Mini's box from War 
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So very, very lots of stuff. 
And there's more coming. 

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Cannot wait. 
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So yeah, that goes, that goes 
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runs for a month. 
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think we might be taking part of
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crowdfunding. 
We've got a Luke Gearing book 

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that's in the works right now. 
It's all our volume that may or 

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may not go to crowdfund. 
I think it's probably going to 

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go to crowdfund to help us print
a larger print run of it and 

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then in. 
Can you, can you say what, what,

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what that's what area of TRPGS 
that's going to be in or not so?

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It's an adventure module that 
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classic medieval fantasy type 
stuff if you want to. 

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You can pop it anywhere you want
on a map. 

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It's called War Unsuppultured 
and he wrote it a couple years 

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ago and it's just been in in 
production for that long. 

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And it's it's another slim 
volume. 

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But I really think going with 
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that we can build where you have
a shit load of adventure packed 

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in there with good design and 
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reads and leads. 
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we're heading towards. 
We're still going to put scenes 

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out every month, but we want to 
tend towards larger, larger 

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books as things go. 
Not as large as like a 432 page 

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liminal horn deluxe. 
That's something we'll do like 

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once a year, once every couple 
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towards the 60 to 120 page 
count. 

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Yeah, so that's why and why. 
Why? 

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Why? 
So I know you guys. 

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I mean, we've been talking about
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it's been really cool to talk to
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Space Penguin with like, because
you've taught us all so much 

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about like the way publishing 
works and like how you like kind

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of like level up in publishing 
to be able to get farther and 

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farther with your reach. 
Is that part of it is, is that 

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to be able to have like more 
kind of like hefty stuff on 

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shelves and bigger places as 
opposed to disease or? 

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That's the biggest, one of the 
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retailers when we go to ACD 
Expo, which ACD is our largest 

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distributor, they're the second 
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cover something like that, like 
6000 accounts or something like 

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that, game stores, brick and 
mortars, you know, stuff like 

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that. 
And that's the biggest thing we 

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hear from retailers is if it 
doesn't have a spine, it's hard 

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to merchandise. 
So, you know, as a company that 

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does primarily Zenes, we're, 
we're well aware of that. 

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And you know, we've come up with
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years and several of us and my 
good friend Beckett Lauren has 

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come up with several solutions 
for retailers over time as well.

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It's just one of those, if you, 
if your books got a spine, it's 

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easier to shelve so it's easier 
to see and then people can pull 

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it out and kind of look at it. 
Totally makes sense. 

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Well, that's why my Zen's are on
this giant spinner rack here 

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instead of instead of on the 
shelves. 

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So. 
And some places have spinner 

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racks and things like that, like
comic books. 

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It's the same thing that comic 
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And so one of the solutions is a
comic book waterfall where it 

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kind of spills off the wall and 
stuff like that. 

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And so there have been several 
retail spots that have adapted 

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or adopted acrylic wall holders 
and things like that to work in 

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that fashion and spinner racks 
and other possible 

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merchandising. 
So where you can see the full 

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cover of this thing? 
Got you. 

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But but also nice to have spying
books and and that's kind of why

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you're going that direction. 
Yeah, it's fun. 

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If we could put out a new 
hardcover every month, believe 

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me, I would be putting out a new
hardcover every month. 

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That would be super awesome and 
super amazing. 

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I don't know where I would find 
the time to do that. 

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Yeah, seems like a tall order 
there. 

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Yeah. 
And then you were saying 

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something after after the loop 
gearing project for the 

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potential crowdfund. 
There's a large fantasy book 

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called Potheca, which is a city 
kit book in order to build, you 

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know, to help you build a city 
for your fantasy games, written 

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by Chris Ramdeen, who wrote Old 
School Stylish and Neilson. 

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And that's going to be a big one
that might come out, might go to

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crowdfund this year, might go to
crowdfund early next year. 

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We'll see it's been in 
development for a while too. 

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So can't really talk too much 
about that one yet because we're

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not quite sure exactly what the 
final thing is going to be. 

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But it's definitely going to 
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NPCS and then a way to build 
your own city of of really cool 

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and awesome stuff. 
So that's. 

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Awesome, got some fun. 
Sounds like system agnostic 

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stuff coming down the pipe, 
which will be neat. 

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Yeah, definitely leaning more 
towards stuff that you can slot 

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into whatever's, of course, 
supporting our main lines, 

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Forbidden Psalm and Liminal 
Horror, but also just coming out

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with more stuff that you can use
with whatever else. 

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Someone, Stella the other day 
posted up the back of someone's 

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book, I can't quite remember 
who, but it says compatible with

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role-playing, which I think is 
awesome. 

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It just needs to just things are
compatible with role-playing as 

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opposed to a specific system, 
which is pretty cool. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Systemagnostic is always 

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interesting, you know, 
especially like in the OSR space

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because you know, one of the 
qualities of like at least the 

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through line of what is kind of,
you know, pre 2019 OSR is that 

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they are all compatible roughly.
Like the dice mechanics are 

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roughly ish the same and there's
just some subsystems that are a 

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little bit different. 
You know, things are a little 

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bit different now. 
So, you know, you can't really 

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just give like monsters in hit 
dice, you know, So it's cool to 

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get newer system agnostic stuff 
that you really can just like 

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toss into any rule system 
whatsoever and still be able to 

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run it, whether it's adventures 
or like a city building thing. 

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Because there's, there's some 
stuff that's out like like that 

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does like city building, like I 
think Cess and Citadel is a is a

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big city builder, but it'd be 
really cool to get a different 

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take on being able to build like
a whole city and stuff. 

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Cool, that's what we're hoping 
for. 

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Yeah, going to be neat. 
And then so that's I mean that 

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sounds like that's the year for 
Space Penguin Inc. 

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So potentially 2 more crowd 
funds on top of at some point, I

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assume you're home losing 
multiple rooms again to to giant

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boxes with liminal horror in it.
But new releases you got 

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something out this month Right 
now I think it's been out of 

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like 10 days ish. 
What are we talking about today 

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that you can grab from Space 
Penguin Inc? 

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We're talking about Empire of 
Hatred by Sam Sorensen, and 

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that's actually Sam on the 
cover. 

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Mine's downstairs. 
So it's a hex crawl, ostensibly 

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written for more org, but usable
with pretty much any system. 

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It's got this really great map, 
hex map in the front that covers

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the different terrain types in 
different locations and things. 

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Then it has your crawl procedure
and how long it takes to travel 

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over certain types of landscape 
and things like that. 

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And then each of the different 
textures, each of the different 

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zones areas has its own weather 
and encounter table. 

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So like Hex Carl should. 
And then your main hexes are 

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keyed. 
So yeah. 

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Yeah, it's it's it's so it's 
it's very much it's Mark Borg, 

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but kind of like compatible with
Merkborg. 

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We're not necessarily from what 
I read, and maybe I'm completely

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wrong and I just missed a bunch 
of stuff. 

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It's not like this isn't like a 
hex crawl across Galagan Beck or

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anything. 
Like this is like a completely 

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different kind of like generated
world, right? 

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Like I know that the Sam on 
their blue sky and even on the, 

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the Spaceman page talked about 
they used a lot of, if not 

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almost all of the things from 
Heretic and Ferratory, the early

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Merkborg scenes, and also some 
feats and and relics from a 

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couple other things too. 
And it's very much like a, it's 

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almost like a religious kind of 
not pilgrimage, but you're 

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trying to like have this kind of
like holy Emperor and like 

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delivering a like an item across
for, for the, for them. 

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It's, it's really interesting. 
It's very. 

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I don't. 
I can't think of another giant 

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hexcrawl for merkboard. 
Yeah, it's I think it might be 

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the first one. 
Someone probably point out that 

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there's already been several, 
but who knows. 

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But yes, it uses those items by 
just mentioning them and all of 

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the all of the items and the 
monsters are available and 

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freely available. 
More, more first party content 

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and 3rd and 2nd party content 
that you can find on the work 

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board website. 
So you can, the the intent is 

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you have your hex crawl and you 
have your weather procedure and 

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then you're traveling across and
then if you need to then you 

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reference the more workbook or 
you reference ferratory or 

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heretic or the tenebrous 
reliquary and things like that. 

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It's neat to, to specifically be
able to like, if you're going to

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use all of that, it's cool that 
it's all freely available 

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content because like most of 
Mark Borg's first party stuff is

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free anyway, which is awesome 
of, of free league and, and 

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Joanna Paley and everything. 
But that's just a really 

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interesting thing. 
I mean, it, you do have to like 

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dig through four books to, to 
find all the stuff, but it's 

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neat that you don't have to pay 
for anything else. 

450
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,120
If you just pay the, I think $15
for the Zine or $10.00 for the 

451
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:51,440
PDF. 
Getting to be able to use all of

452
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,000
those things is really, really 
cool. 

453
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,400
As opposed to just maybe having 
one is like an adventure starter

454
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,840
or something. 
Having access to all of the 

455
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,800
monsters, adventures, relics, 
feats. 

456
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,320
I mean, some of the feats, it's 
like, yes, you can use them, but

457
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,960
one of them is literally like 
jump off a mountain that's 

458
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,520
10,000 feet high. 
If you survive, you get a feat. 

459
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:12,960
So it's, it's really neat. 
But like you said, that's, 

460
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,720
that's Sam. 
That's Sam right there on the 

461
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,440
cover yelling, yelling real loud
at you. 

462
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,920
So what have you guys published 
any Merkboard prior to this? 

463
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,280
I'm trying to think of anything 
you guys put out that was 

464
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,040
Merkboard content. 
Forbidden Psalm was totally 

465
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,680
well. 
Well. 

466
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,520
I mean. 
Originally, yeah, yeah. 

467
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,000
Felt around Merkboard. 
Yeah, This is the first thing 

468
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,800
for more porn that we've done. 
We're going to. 

469
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,480
We're going to have to get an 
Empire Hatred skirmish game for 

470
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,360
this compatible with Empire 
Hatred. 

471
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,880
Copy and have him make one up 
and he'll like turn me over a 

472
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,480
completed book in like a week. 
Yeah, I was going to say a day 

473
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,280
later you'll have the entire 
thing done. 

474
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,320
It's crazy. 
Like he finishes in a day when 

475
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,440
I've like not finished in four 
years. 

476
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,560
And it'll never not boggle my 
mind how good the quality is 

477
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,160
after that as well. 
Yeah. 

478
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,280
And then I know, you know, Sam 
has put out a bunch of stuff. 

479
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,640
I know. 
Oh, I was just going to ask, 

480
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,200
like, have you guys ever put 
anything from sand before? 

481
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,960
But. 
Sees of sand. 

482
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:24,920
Sees of sand was a was a big a 
big thing from sand before as 

483
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,920
well. 
I have it literally sitting on 

484
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,040
the top right there. 
And that was also kind of like a

485
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,480
big like hex crawlish or like 
giant thing that you can use the

486
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,080
things, right? 
Yeah, sailing sands thing, you 

487
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,800
know. 
Exactly. 

488
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,480
Sam goes big or doesn't go, it 
feels like on these big books. 

489
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,800
He definitely understands The 
Expanse. 

490
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,280
He's actually running a war game
for us right now called 

491
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,960
Cataphracts. 
And it's a play by posts. 

492
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,680
So it deals with a lot of fog of
war. 

493
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,600
So we just have like forum posts
and things like that. 

494
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,320
And he drew this huge map and 
all these armies and things like

495
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,040
that. 
And he must be playing the game 

496
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:16,320
24/7, like to be able to, to run
it for us as there's currently, 

497
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,520
I want to say we broke the 30 
commander mark. 

498
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,160
So there's like 30 different 
armies going across. 

499
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,760
And so he's got to be keeping 
track of this on a map at his 

500
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,840
house, like where, where he's 
at. 

501
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,760
And then we're supposed to be 
keeping track on our own little 

502
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,400
maps and we don't get the whole 
map of the whole area. 

503
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,800
You get like a fog of war map 
which makes it very interesting 

504
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:44,000
for play by post and we've been 
playing that for like 3 months I

505
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,440
think. 
That's pretty cool. 

506
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,440
How many people are in that? 
I think there's like 30 plus 

507
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,360
right now. 
Oh, you said 30 command? 

508
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,040
Wow, that's a yeah. 
I mean, yeah, if you're running 

509
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,600
30 people through anything, play
by post. 

510
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,760
The only thing I've ever done. 
By post you mean like discord or

511
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,200
you mean like are you mailing 
letters? 

512
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,680
By Discord. 
You got it. 

513
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,800
Just imagine if it's all just 
like mailing letters, but you 

514
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,160
like T stain all of them and 
like burn the edges and do like 

515
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,800
a whole thing every time. 
That'd be insane. 

516
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,200
I mean take a year and a half 
just to do like one round, but 

517
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,080
that'd be really neat. 
I had a question and then I said

518
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,040
something stupid and then I 
completely forgot what my 

519
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,480
question was about it. 
Oh, the the so no maps is what 

520
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,920
you said. 
There's also a thing in this 

521
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,720
like very clearly right off the 
bat it says like all the 

522
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,320
contents of the caravan you're 
with and you get no map. 

523
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,840
So you're really just wandering 
around this hex until you figure

524
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,720
out where the heck you're going.
Which I think is interesting 

525
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,440
because basically the entire 
book from like page one on is 

526
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,200
just like there's like a page of
like loot and like what's going 

527
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,640
on. 
And then the entire book is just

528
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,320
keys and like random encounters 
in different locations and stuff

529
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,440
like that. 
It very much fits that kind of 

530
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,280
like obviously it's not. 
I mean it's for mark boards 

531
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,160
wasn't like system agnostic, but
that same kind of idea of just 

532
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,760
like you could theoretically 
play any system with this and 

533
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,280
just run it because most of the 
things you know, even if you go 

534
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,080
to Merkborg it really easy to do
into any system. 

535
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,640
So it's just like a giant like 
50 page hex for all which is 

536
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,560
name. 
Yeah, well, and that's this 

537
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,640
thing too, because you it's got 
weather procedures and it's got 

538
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,120
your encounter tables. 
So as as you're going through a 

539
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,120
hex, if you go through a non key
hex, then you're expected to, 

540
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,920
you know, roll reaction, roll 
surprise, as you normally do for

541
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,520
whatever system that you're 
using and things like that. 

542
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,400
So like I said, like while it's 
written for more org, it's also 

543
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,360
usable with pretty much any 
system. 

544
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,000
That's pretty cool. 
That's pretty cool. 

545
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,440
Flags, you know. 
Yeah. 

546
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,080
Does it give it some legs? 
And I think Sam also said on 

547
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,840
their on their blue sky. 
This might be the first teach 

548
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,160
RPG with like a picture of the 
creator on the cover. 

549
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Yeah. 
Could be. 

550
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,880
Could be. 
I can't think of 1. 

551
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,640
I do like that the cover is 
like, I guess a like a quote UN 

552
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,440
quote version cover on the 
front, like no logo treatments, 

553
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,400
no like anything like that, 
which is really cool. 

554
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,200
It's just a shot. 
It's definitely very unique 

555
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,040
comparatively. 
Yeah, I would ask Taylor's how 

556
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,760
it does in stores because I bet 
once it gets in stores, I bet it

557
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,360
grabs more board fans and things
like that. 

558
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,160
Well, it's a very, it's a very 
boring picture. 

559
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,560
I definitely like if you, if you
held us up and asked me to guess

560
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,800
which is which game this was 
for, I feel like that would be 

561
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,640
my first guess. 
So I think I think they 

562
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,760
definitely, you know, met the 
prompt with that, which is good.

563
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,600
And then the map which you said 
before, like as you said, like 

564
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,240
go bigger or or go home, I 
guess. 

565
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,280
And that's a shit load of hexes.
Yeah. 

566
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,800
It's a shit load of hexes. 
Podcast land. 

567
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,880
Watch the show where go buy the 
game. 

568
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,680
But but yeah, I will be curious 
if someone's like, I'm actually 

569
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,520
like there's four other. 
I mean, there's 8000 Merkborg 

570
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,400
projects are compatible with 
Merkborgs, so I'm sure someone 

571
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,480
put a hex crawl on a shower 
curtain or something by now. 

572
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:24,280
But but but it is interesting. 
Really good idea, I kind of want

573
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,320
that. 
What the hex crawl on the shower

574
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,520
curtain? 
Yeah, I kind of do. 

575
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,040
Just put this X crawl on a 
shower curtain. 

576
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,120
I mean, it makes sense. 
It's got the right size. 

577
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,360
And then you just, and then you 
just use dry erase markers or 

578
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,600
wet erase markers in your shower
wall and you just mark which 

579
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,440
where you're at on which hex as 
you're playing through it. 

580
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,320
There you go. 
Play the shower. 

581
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,080
Always be gaming. 
Always be gaming, even when 

582
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,200
you're showering. 
Even when you're shower. 

583
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,480
Well, I mean, it sounds like 
with the amount of stuff that 

584
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,000
Catapracts is going, Sam must be
doing in the shower as well or 

585
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,760
he's not getting anything done 
right. 

586
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,440
And well, there's one thing that
I don't know. 

587
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,600
We we talked a little bit about 
the beginning, but you said this

588
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,560
is future future. 
Am I allowed to ask what's on 

589
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,280
that side of this card? 
I forgot if that was go ahead. 

590
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:18,159
So this run from the dark folk 
core role play, what's what's 

591
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:24,639
the story with this? 
So that's Will's Welsh folklore 

592
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,760
inspired fantasy role-playing 
game coming out, probably going 

593
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,239
to hit crowd fund sometime later
this year, and he's working on 

594
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,239
getting a grant to get it 
translated into Welsh as well. 

595
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,239
Oh awesome. 
Which is really cool. 

596
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,520
Can't tell you too much about it
yet because I haven't read it 

597
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:53,199
yet, but it's you're it's yeah. 
It pretty much uses Wales as a 

598
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:58,280
map, but then kind of not. 
And it's good too, is going to 

599
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:06,280
be in black and white, maybe 
maybe some red, but more it's 

600
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,040
it's own system from the ground 
up. 

601
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,680
So you don't have to worry about
being able to piece together 

602
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,640
with something else. 
So that's. 

603
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Awesome. 
It's we really need to see what 

604
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,000
what Will does with the tabletop
role-playing game because 

605
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,400
obviously like they know how to 
design whatever, but pretty much

606
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,600
everything that people know know
them for is is forbidden Psalm 

607
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,760
and you know, the skirmish game 
aspect of it and stuff. 

608
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,520
And you know, that is compatible
based on work board. 

609
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,400
So I'm really, really excited to
see like I did more than 

610
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,600
anything. 
I'm just like, what's the dice 

611
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,520
mechanic? 
Are we doing D20 roll under? 

612
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,440
Are we doing 2D6? 
Like that's what I'm really, 

613
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,480
really excited to be like Will 
who's, like we all said, whose 

614
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,840
work we really enjoy. 
I want to know like the first 

615
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,480
game, you know, the first big 
game, like what do they jump on 

616
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,760
to? 
So I'm I'm very curious. 

617
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,720
I think I did get they did send 
me a little a little preview of 

618
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,840
something. 
And I will say the layout looks 

619
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,680
fantastic already. 
Yeah, so, so very excited for 

620
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,360
that. 
So that's potentially 3 crowd 

621
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,920
funds this year then for you, 
potentially, possibly maybe 

622
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,520
three more on top of on top of 
the multis you've already done. 

623
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,680
That's, that's, Remember, 
Remember like a year ago when 

624
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,920
you're like we, we don't really 
want to do crowdfunds. 

625
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,800
Yeah, We've just figured out how
we figured out how to do them 

626
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,040
and land them and in the 
appropriate amount of time. 

627
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,920
We were two months late on 
Karen. 

628
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,800
We said March and it was more 
like the end of May, which and 

629
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,600
we all know in crowdfund and 
Kickstarter land, that's 

630
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,440
actually not that bad. 
It's not at all. 

631
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,160
It's surprisingly good. 
But it was still frustrating me 

632
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,880
because I really wanted it to 
land in in March. 

633
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,120
Now we've we've figured out how 
to adjust, you know, adjust 

634
00:36:54,120 --> 00:37:00,400
that, but adjust for that. 
Now we're giving more quarters 

635
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,880
as opposed to an actual month 
and shaving in more time for 

636
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,080
when it actually, you know, some
of these bigger ones like Karen 

637
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,520
and Liminal Horror Deluxe where 
we've got like 2000 + 4000 in 

638
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,400
the case of Karen, you know, 
backers. 

639
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,840
It, it doesn't change the work 
that goes into the creation of 

640
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,280
the thing. 
It takes the work on the 

641
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,960
fulfillment side of things. 
And so we've learned how to 

642
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,320
scale our time to better fit 
that. 

643
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,920
If we didn't have 4000 copies of
Karen to ship out, you probably 

644
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,160
would have been done in March. 
You know, if it was closer to 

645
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,480
1000, it probably would have 
been done in March. 

646
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,560
But it's just the sheer volume 
of the work. 

647
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,080
There's only so many hours in a 
day with two people doing this 

648
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,680
and Debbie doing the majority of
the packaging because of how she

649
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,760
hand stamps every box and things
like that. 

650
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,360
It, it just definitely takes 
more person hours to to do these

651
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,240
bigger ones. 
So but we've been able to stick 

652
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,560
the landing on survivors of the 
core wars and Zozana is going to

653
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,200
come out pretty shortly 
thereafter. 

654
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,320
And I think I had said that 
those would be in people's hands

655
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,480
in quarter 3. 
So it's the beginning of it'll 

656
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,360
be the beginning of quarter 
three shortly. 

657
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,600
So I kind of got figured out how
to do those, which is good. 

658
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,920
I'm pretty happy with that. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

659
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,760
I mean, at this point with any 
crowdfunds, like if it comes out

660
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,680
within six months of like the 
day you said it would, that's 

661
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,080
pretty. 
That's that's really great 

662
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,760
considering, Yeah. 
Considering the number of 

663
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,840
projects that are literally 
years late, yeah. 

664
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,520
It'll be out in two years, don't
worry. 

665
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,160
Yeah, or or they'll just stop 
answering the comments and stuff

666
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,320
and disappear. 
But do you think you're going to

667
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,480
get to a point or is the hope or
if you even want to get to a 

668
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,120
point where you're how like a 
warehouse and like workers doing

669
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,280
this or do you want to stay at 
the size where it's you and 

670
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,280
Debbie? 
I think we're going to stay at 

671
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,160
the size where it's being Debbie
for a while, probably for a 

672
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,800
couple of years. 
We're talking about a relocation

673
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:18,000
at some point possibly. 
And Oh yeah, once we get that 

674
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,520
relocation, we're going to need 
a couple more years and that 

675
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:24,000
base, you know, if we get a 
larger space to work out of and 

676
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,240
have all our storage at, at the 
same place, which would be 

677
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:36,160
really cool. 
But we, yeah, we don't, I don't 

678
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,320
see us hiring on more people. 
I see us being able to pay 

679
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,440
ourselves a little bit better. 
Good. 

680
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:48,400
And I, our collaborator for the 
marketing at some point in the 

681
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,600
future. 
And, but, but sticking with us 

682
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,920
is the best way just because we 
know what we're doing and we 

683
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,760
know how to do it. 
We need to do it several years 

684
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,120
in a row, in my opinion, before 
we try to bring on other people 

685
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,200
to physically help with that 
aspect of it. 

686
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,480
So now what? 
Now let's let's say for just for

687
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,120
for for the sake of argument, 
what happens if you if something

688
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,320
just goes off and you end up 
with like 8010 thousand backers 

689
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,720
on something like do you do you?
Would you just do it in like 

690
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:29,640
bigger waves or or what would? 
We would we could potentially 

691
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,360
look at a three PL. third party 
logistics company to help out 

692
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,080
with that. 
Someone like Flying Cloud or 

693
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,280
Quartermaster Logistics, someone
that that does that sort of 

694
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,160
thing. 
But we, I mean, I had originally

695
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,080
thought that that's what it 
would take to do Karen, but we 

696
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:54,360
proved that we can do Karen, 
which was 4000, right. 

697
00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:03,880
So yeah, it's just, I think 
probably 5000 would be about the

698
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,680
mark where we would be strongly 
considering a third party 

699
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,760
logistics company to do it for 
like a board game, one of the 

700
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,640
board games one of these years. 
If we get there, that might be 

701
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,120
definitely something that we 
look forward to. 

702
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:25,440
But no, I think we, we know our 
limits and we know how to tell 

703
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,320
people when we're they're going 
to get their stuff, which I 

704
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,800
think is the most important 
thing to be able to do in this 

705
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,720
business when you're 
crowdfunding is to be able to 

706
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:38,520
try to hit those marks. 
And I think we've proved to 

707
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,240
ourselves that we can do it for 
X amount of copies. 

708
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,680
But yeah, if we were like the 
8000 copy mark or something like

709
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:52,840
that, I definitely would be 
looking at shipping that sort of

710
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,440
work to a three PL. just because
we'd still need to do our 

711
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,920
monthly zenes and other smaller 
projects and being able to keep 

712
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,720
up with everything. 
So if we had a smashing success 

713
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:10,720
of like 8 or 10,000, yes we 
would consider switching that 

714
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,960
off. 
You just reminded me too. 

715
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,880
I don't think we've told you at 
all. 

716
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,920
And and the episode dropped like
an hour ago. 

717
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,080
So but we're we're changing the 
show up a ton. 

718
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,120
Oh, I need to change this window
too. 

719
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,320
Remind me to change this one, 
Hunter. 

720
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,040
OK, the weekly scroll tabletop 
podcast. 

721
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,880
What we're going to be So we're 
going to be talking not just 

722
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,720
about teach RPGs, but war games,
skirmish games. 

723
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,120
I know we've talked about 
forbidden song, but more so and 

724
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,760
also board games. 
And I totally escaped me until 

725
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,560
you said that that you are a 
huge board game person. 

726
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,440
So we're going to have to, yeah,
we're going to have to have you 

727
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,800
on for more than just not cat 
chats and actually come on and 

728
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,440
and talk about some, some old, 
new and crazy board games here 

729
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,240
on the show. 
Can we talk about like 1970s 

730
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,120
sports games? 
Whatever you want. 

731
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,840
Whatever you want, yeah. 
Baseball 1896, I think. 

732
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,680
I knew that's what you were 
going to say too, because you've

733
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,480
talked about that one before. 
Yeah. 

734
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,520
Yeah, 100%. 
That sounds literally like 

735
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,000
exactly the kind of board game 
we want to talk about on the 

736
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,800
show. 
We specifically were talking 

737
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,640
about bringing in more like 70s 
and 80s teach RBGS to like 

738
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,560
buddies and Burrows and stuff. 
So some like 1980s baseball 

739
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,920
board game. 100%, we'll talk 
about that. 

740
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Nice. 
I would I would love to get to 

741
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,720
one of these days. 
I'm going to be able to play 

742
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:35,160
that. 
Yeah, I mean, I wish. 

743
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,840
We'll have to bring it next time
we're at a cotton together and 

744
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,080
we'll sit down and and and play 
it and and we'll get it figured 

745
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,440
out. 
It's probably. 

746
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,040
Pretty bad to be honest with 
you. 

747
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,080
That's again. 
Fun is fun, man. 

748
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,040
Like if something is so bad, 
like there's only a very narrow 

749
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,600
window where something is so bad
you can't enjoy it, you know? 

750
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,000
Because like it either is, is 
it's OK enough to be good or so 

751
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,640
bad it's fun. 
It has to be like a perfect 

752
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,080
amount of like shitty to 
actually be bad and to not enjoy

753
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,600
it. 
So as long as it's slightly one 

754
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,920
way or the other, I think we'll 
be good. 

755
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,440
Nice. 
We'll, we'll, yeah, we'll make 

756
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,760
it fun. 
Yeah, come up with a list. 

757
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,160
I know we've already said come 
up with a list of older teach 

758
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,480
RPGs you want to talk about, but
board games for sure. 

759
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,400
I know that's a passion of yours
and something that we want to 

760
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,200
start expanding into. 
So we'll definitely start out we

761
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,480
hitting you up for those. 
I have one. 

762
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,320
I have one that's just called 
tennis. 

763
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,360
Yes. 
OK. 

764
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,600
Let's do it, let's do it. 
I know, Kobayashi commented. 

765
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,960
Because we, we're going to start
doing solo games too. 

766
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:48,720
A some a joust based solo game 
like that's called like flying 

767
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,720
ostriches and flying somethings 
and other. 

768
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,960
I don't know if you guys played,
I don't know if you played 

769
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,880
Joust. 
Have you ever played Joust? 

770
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,320
When I was a kid, we had like we
had Super Nintendo and then you 

771
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,760
would get like you could buy 
cartridges that just had like 10

772
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,600
old arcade games on them. 
And my favorite one was always 

773
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,240
like #2 or whatever and had 
Joust. 

774
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,600
And it's basically like you're 
flying an ostrich, but you're 

775
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,040
like, as if you're like a knight
with a Lance and you just have 

776
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,800
to get like the right angle 
where you're slightly higher 

777
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,240
than them to beat them. 
And you're just like shooting at

778
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,840
each other, like jousting on 
flying ostriches and stuff. 

779
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:19,880
Sounds sick. 
It sounds sick. 

780
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,360
Joust is Joust is a pretty 
amazing arcade game. 

781
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,600
It's pretty. 
And then we like want to see. 

782
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,280
Well, there's some deep lore 
behind it too, behind those 

783
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,600
ostriches and why they fly and 
the different things that you 

784
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,600
run into on different boards. 
I'm going to deep I'm going to 

785
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,160
be on Wikipedia for the rest of 
the day. 

786
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,960
Thanks so much but apparently 
there's a solo adventure game 

787
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,080
based on it, so I definitely 
have to check that out so so 

788
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,840
yeah oh gosh is that is that 
everything? 

789
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,960
I mean, every time we Oh yeah, 
that's right, you did have a 

790
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,240
heart out. 
That is, I think everything 

791
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:59,320
that's going on right now is 
Space Payment Inc, right? 

792
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:05,720
Yep, Karen, box set goes to RE 
retail, so it's available in our

793
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:09,440
stores starting this Wednesday 
and available in stores starting

794
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,400
this. 
As soon as that pallet arrives 

795
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,600
in Texas and gets split up 
between Acd's warehouses, people

796
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,360
can pick that up at like their 
favorite book shops and game 

797
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,200
shops and some. 
We had a bunch of retailers who 

798
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:28,280
backed online and offline and 
we've restocked a couple of 

799
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,240
people already, so that's pretty
cool. 

800
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,880
Yeah, that is pretty much what's
been going on with space so. 

801
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,040
Snap the Karen box that as soon 
as you see that if you didn't 

802
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,840
back it before, go grab Empire 
of Hatred right now from San 

803
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,840
Sorensen over on Space Penguin 
Inc. 

804
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,320
And and that's going to be us 
for today because I totally 

805
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,880
forgot Hunter has to go to work 
at his. 

806
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,440
My heart out was 8 minutes ago 
so I got to go. 

807
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,520
So jerk now. 
It was always a close one and 

808
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,560
we'll see everybody in like 2 
days. 

809
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,760
Bye everybody.