1 00:00:15,270 --> 00:00:17,550 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,550 --> 00:00:20,310 My name is Ryan and joining me today is Greg Horton of Electi 3 00:00:20,310 --> 00:00:21,310 Studio. How you doing this morning, 4 00:00:21,310 --> 00:00:23,150 Greg? I'm doing great. 5 00:00:23,470 --> 00:00:26,630 My name is Greg and this is Cat Chats. 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,479 You know, we got to get you on for like a monthly thing if if 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,320 we're going to keep talking about as much as you do at 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,440 Electi Studio. But it's not cat chats, by the 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,800 way, 'cause. But yeah, Greg, it's a pleasure 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,640 to meet you. Great to have you here on the 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,560 show. Obviously big fan. 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,960 We'd recently just talked about Blaster Magazine on an episode 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,600 with CJ from over at Hot Head. And so then have you Come on, is 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,920 is fantastic. But for those who don't know 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,360 who, who who you are? What Electi Studio is like who, 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,360 who, Who the heck is? Who the heck is Greg Horton? 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,519 Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm really excited. 18 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:10,680 I love the scroll. So who is Greg and what is 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:11,520 Electi? Yeah. 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:20,200 So I was a graphic designer for a couple of decades now, and I 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,280 was working at an agency, kind of keeping my head low, working 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:32,640 on client work, websites and magazines and all this and, you 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,720 know, marketing stuff, conventions, all the things. 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:42,840 And my friend Sean Sutter, who I met at Kubla Con, was talking to 25 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,880 me about this magazine that he was starting with some friends. 26 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,320 And then he described the friends which were like the 27 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,640 author of Frost Grave and the author and Ash from Gorilla 28 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,280 Miniature Games, and then the author of Gaslands, all these 29 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,400 games that I'd played and loved and were indie. 30 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,840 I was like, man, must be nice dude. 31 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,560 And realized, oh, this guy, no, he's inviting me to participate 32 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,080 as the graphic designer. Got it. 33 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,120 Sean is a very just one of my favorite people, but super coy. 34 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,120 So he I just couldn't pick up that he was inviting me to join 35 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,240 the magazine. And I started working on Blaster 36 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,120 and after years of doing graphic design and work with Blaster, I 37 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,480 thought, man, this has got some pretty good momentum. 38 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,160 I could be doing this full time instead of like, you know, 39 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,040 working on postcards and business cards and websites and 40 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,440 stuff. I could start working on 41 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,880 something that I was passionate about, so I started Electi 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:49,240 Studio and we've been publishing Blaster, and our first big game 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:54,920 was Mike Hutchinson's Hobgoblin. And yeah, I've been running 44 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:58,480 Kickstarters and working with artists and authors and 45 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:01,560 sculptors and it's just been a wild ride. 46 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,560 Yeah, yeah. I think my first interaction 47 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:13,600 with you guys was I saw Eternal, which is just insanely gorgeous 48 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,080 little Zine. And then I was like, who the 49 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,680 fuck makes us? Because this is incredible. 50 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,400 And then I got to Electi and then a Hobgoblin was the very 51 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,800 next thing. And then I saw Blaster magazine 52 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,360 and was like, fuck, these are going to be expensive to 53 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,840 collect, but I need all of them. But yeah, what you guys do is is 54 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,240 awesome at Electi Studio. I know you specifically said 55 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,400 like, you know, it's indie. You know, Mike Hutchinson too is 56 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,480 just, I mean, I'm newer to the space, but even I'm like, oh 57 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,600 God, it's, you know, it's Mike Hutchinson and the stuff he 58 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:44,160 makes is incredible. But how did you know? 59 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,800 You said basically how did Blaster magazine and working on 60 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,480 the magazine get to Electi Studio? 61 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,960 So I don't know the answer to that actually let me let me try 62 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:06,000 to walk it back a little bit. So I was working with the 63 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,760 authors. The authors were talking about 64 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,640 publishing life and like some of the hurdles and, and how they 65 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:20,480 felt about working as an author. And a common strain is like this 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:26,720 pressure that authors have to do everything. 67 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,240 Like they have to do the photography, the like they have 68 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:36,040 to provide illustrations and paint the miniatures and take 69 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,760 the pictures and do all the things. 70 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,320 And for many of them that's totally cool because they just 71 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,000 happen to be fantastic and everything, which is how I feel 72 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,640 about the people in Blaster. But it also just means like 73 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,000 writers can't just focus on the writing, they have to do all the 74 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,280 things. And I wanted to create a place 75 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:04,040 that was a collaborative environment where the publisher 76 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,520 didn't just take the manuscript, put it into printing, take the 77 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,240 pictures, drop it in the layout with like some cheap layout and 78 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,320 just get it out it. I wanted to create something 79 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,440 where the publisher was on the same page as the the author, 80 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:24,520 artist, sculptor, that this is like a special game and that all 81 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,440 the components kind of matter at the same time. 82 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,720 So if you look at our old, you know, videos of us chatting 83 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,880 between me, Mike and all the team we're, we're talking about, 84 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,080 you know, what makes a game and what makes a board game a board 85 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,840 game versus a tabletop game. And we're exploring some ideas 86 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:48,880 that are more thoroughly understood now. 87 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:58,040 But at the time, I was realizing that story game rules 88 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:04,000 presentation and like what's in your hands when you're at the 89 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,080 table and what's in your hands when you're in bed preparing for 90 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,800 your game and what kind of imagining what it's going to be 91 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,440 like. All of those things are so 92 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,200 integral. That or interconnected actually, 93 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,600 that that's the game, the whole thing. 94 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,680 Like that's what it is. And I think Warhammer infamously 95 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,160 takes it too far and like took the game, took the company and 96 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,000 the all the things and it's now an IP and it's not a, you know, 97 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,920 like all these things, but a game is all of those, some of 98 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,760 all those parts. So I wanted to create a place 99 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,520 where the author could collaborate with the publisher 100 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,000 who's on the same page with that. 101 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,480 And Hobgoblin's kind of my shining star of how that would 102 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,440 work. Yeah, and you so you said 103 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:00,160 hobgoblin was the first thing that was Electi Studio like post 104 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,760 blaster? Publicly, no. 105 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:06,000 Behind the scenes, yes. So I started working with Mike 106 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,760 on it. Pretty much out the gate for 107 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Electi. The first thing we did was 108 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,760 something called like Miniatures for Blaster. 109 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:23,040 I think it was called Brutal Tank Arena by Joey Joseph 110 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,120 McCullough and Joey McGuire. So Joey McGuire and I did that 111 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:35,800 and Joey had this kind of like absurd tank arena game that he 112 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,360 came up with. And we put that in the in the 113 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,240 the pages of Blaster volume 4. So it's coming off the last 114 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,360 blaster. And then we were talking about 115 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:55,320 big chunky tanks and how there's a deficit of them in miniatures 116 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,120 right at the explosion of 3D printing as well. 117 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,000 So we were like, what if people, what if we did a Kickstarter for 118 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,080 STLS, which was in 2020. So it was pretty early for not 119 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,760 super early, but you know, like we were getting, we were picking 120 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,800 up on the trends of what was happening. 121 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,040 And we made that Kickstarter and it did OK and then started to 122 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,960 release other things. And then Hobgoblin finally came 123 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,960 out after years of working on it together there and it's. 124 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,640 Crazy. First of all, it's gorgeous. 125 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,920 So you did so do you do all the graphic design for for 126 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,080 everything that I like to puts out or for like just the OR 127 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,000 blaster plus some specific projects? 128 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,080 So I do graphic design for all of it. 129 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,679 Sometimes I use graphic designers. 130 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,760 I like get some help when I'm freaking out mentally. 131 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,640 And, and what I'll do is I'll like prepare the designs as a 132 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,480 concept and then start the process with with them of 133 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,280 merging it into an Indesign document. 134 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,880 And without getting too much in the weeds, then I come back and 135 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:04,280 finish it off. That's not the rule. 136 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,240 That's the exception. And pretty much the person 137 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,720 that's most, you know, like trusted to me in that area was 138 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,360 Will. So Will Will I reached out to 139 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,480 because I liked the designs and forbidden Psalms and Psalm. 140 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,120 And I could tell that he was, you know, understands visual 141 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,680 language and was like, here's the concepts. 142 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:31,600 Can you help me get this process started while I work on 143 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,400 something else? And he's helped me with a few 144 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,920 projects. And your game that you were 145 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:47,200 drawn to, Eternal was as a notable exception for my graphic 146 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,640 design. So that design I tried to do 147 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,840 over and over again. And one of the things that I 148 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:01,560 wanted was to start integrating illustration with graphic design 149 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,720 in a way that I hadn't really seen sense. 150 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:13,160 Essentially like Mork Pork, not a clone of Mork Pork, but like, 151 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,680 how does illustration and graphic design get totally tied 152 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:20,080 together? And my theory was that has to be 153 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,840 the same person. The illustrator has to know 154 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,120 graphic design and then they plan out the layout and 155 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:32,160 illustrate the the book and tie it to the graphic design. 156 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:40,000 And so I worked with Till Forster on that, and he did the 157 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,840 graphic design and the illustration, and he has a 158 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,640 contract so that I'm actually paying him royalties on the book 159 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,520 because I wanted to have the artist elevated. 160 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,240 So Eternal was like a real different approach for me. 161 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,960 I was trying to weave in more, you know, how do I, how do I 162 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,880 give more ownership to a graphic designer? 163 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,440 Yeah. I mean, and it's a absolutely 164 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,000 gorgeous book. It's very different than, you 165 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,200 know, blaster and hobgoblin stuff like that, obviously 166 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,960 because you have a different graphic designer working on it. 167 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,520 But man, it's you guys did a really good job at that one. 168 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,240 And then the minis on our on the website is too. 169 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,440 I mean, it's cool that you guys do STLS, at least for pretty 170 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,000 much everything you put out, right? 171 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,800 It's gotten to that point it we started with almost no STLS and 172 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,320 then started just slowly adding stuff. 173 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:48,960 Last year I did a Patreon for like dead by lead and, and other 174 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,480 things to like kind of build up some eternal and dead by lead 175 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,400 and trying to build up more of a volume of, of miniatures to 176 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,280 support. And, and we just went into 177 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,840 physical production on the Kickstarter for the first time. 178 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,320 So now we'll have like actual boxes of minis, which is 179 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,600 exciting. But all of that is possible 180 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,880 because of a relationship I built with Skullforge. 181 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:20,800 So Jordan Coffey is the sculptor for 90% of our miniatures. 182 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:28,520 And if it could be 100%, I would have it be 100%. 183 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:34,360 But he, he's incredible. He's one of the the best artists 184 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:39,920 I know. He takes like he takes in a 185 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:45,400 conceptual approach to making miniatures that he knows the he 186 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:50,040 knows that they're game pieces. So when they're printed or 187 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,480 physical and whatever way that they become physical, the pieces 188 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,320 done all just shatter and break off. 189 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,800 They're playable, they're highly detailed. 190 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,880 They're they, they have a concept and a perspective on 191 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,800 each one. If you look carefully at the 192 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,640 like, you know, group of minis in a, in a squad, you can see 193 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,960 this character that he's playing out and adding details to make 194 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,120 each one different. That I think is really cool and 195 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,920 just so prolific. Like if you go to Skullforge 196 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,720 Studios and look at his catalog, it's like mostly him just 197 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:38,040 churning out minis of whatever the status or whatever the 198 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,800 current sci-fi series is of the time. 199 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,920 He's like riffing off of that. And then we started the 200 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:49,360 relationship because he he wanted an outlet for non sci-fi 201 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,560 ideas essentially. And I provided him lots of 202 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:58,280 opportunities for Cowboys and monsters and and all that stuff. 203 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,280 Yeah, I so obviously I, I back blaster right away. 204 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,480 I've been waiting for for, you know, I've been following the 205 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,440 page for a long time, but man, those dead by LED minis are 206 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,880 absolutely stunning. I had to grab those immediately. 207 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,800 Dude, the dead by LED minis are also spec kind of a special 208 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,840 case. That one I collaborated with Sam 209 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:24,960 Lotfy, who's a who's a comic book illustrator and we had 210 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:31,600 worked on Bloody Hollow together, which was anyway, it 211 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,440 is a very cool American gothic horror game. 212 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,080 And I really loved his illustrations and was like, I'm 213 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,600 what he's a I'm like, he's a concept artist, right? 214 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,200 Like this guy makes characters and comic books. 215 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,400 Let's see if how this works and I write them a little 216 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,680 description and then he come back with concepts that were 217 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,640 just absolutely crushing it the character that's put in there. 218 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,760 And then of course Jordan just nails the interpretation of that 219 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,160 character in the sculpted form. Yeah, I think there's some of 220 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,720 the my favorite minis. I think they're very unique 221 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,400 against Western minis During during the design of those 222 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,240 miniatures, I was looking up period specific weapons and 223 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,760 costuming and I was hoping the concept artist and Jordan kind 224 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,600 of like tuned back in towards real life things. 225 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,520 And there's things in there that don't look right because we base 226 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,960 our cowboy stuff on movies, right? 227 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,560 And these like weapons are more advanced than that, like as 228 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,640 you're starting to veer out the Victorian era into the modern 229 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,760 era. So it was just an interesting 230 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,720 project and I'm glad you like those. 231 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,240 I really love the dead violent minis. 232 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,800 Yeah, I mean, for reasons, I've been looking for a lot of 233 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Western stuff lately and there's a lot of. 234 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,800 There's a shit load of terrain, I'll tell you that. 235 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,240 People make western buildings all the time. 236 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,600 But for minis, there's like one company out there that does like 237 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,880 a shit ton of them. But beyond that there's not too 238 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,480 much. So I was. 239 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,560 So stoked. Who are you excited about for 240 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,960 their well, who are you hunting miniatures from? 241 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,120 Like who? Who did you find as a producer 242 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,680 at Miniatures? It is. 243 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:23,000 Is it Badger games? They do a western game called Oh 244 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,840 my God. Dead Man's Hand is the one that 245 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,840 I was able to find like a ton of western minis for. 246 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,800 I think that's knuckle duster. Is that right? 247 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,160 That sounds about right. I think it's knuckle duster. 248 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,720 And then there's, yeah, there's a lot of like European and 249 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:46,520 British brands as well that do cast metal stuff, artisan 250 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,680 designs. And what is Scorpion Miniatures? 251 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,960 That's a fun one. They're they're out of the UK 252 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,480 and they're starting to get into digital, which is kind of 253 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,760 exciting to me because it means longevity for that brand and 254 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,359 really, really character full. And they have that old school 255 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,440 sculpting style, even though it's going digital, which is 256 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,920 really cool. Oh, Dev instance, Great Escape 257 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,119 games. I don't know if they're also the 258 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,520 ones that sculpt, but they're the ones that put it out, Yeah. 259 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:25,720 Oh, I'm confusing it with Nope. Yeah, I I know what you're 260 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:26,880 talking about. The you're talking about the 261 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,520 blast the plastic box I got. Confused Yeah yeah they do. 262 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,280 They do like metal 5 packs and stuff too that are neat but but 263 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,600 but yeah you said the dev LED ones are are crazy. 264 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:43,560 Are they 32mm or 28? So that's a great question. 265 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,040 This is actually a huge thing that I need to get better at. 266 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,040 But they're kind of in the middle. 267 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,760 So Jordan sculpts very realistic, but he also is 268 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,200 sculpting details so that they don't break. 269 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,520 So they're not quite anything. It's like it's, I call it heroic 270 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,440 28. It's like on its way to 3032. 271 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,680 But then what I do is I scale them down to somewhere close to 272 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:19,560 both pure historical 28 and 32. I print them and test them at 273 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,560 different sizes and find something that works like as 274 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,480 closely as you can with all of them. 275 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,280 Because if you collect minis from multiple lines, it'd be 276 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,640 kind of nice if this kind of fit into the mix and it wasn't like 277 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,360 disruptive. So that's kind of how we went 278 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:40,560 about those miniatures is that we designed them to be a part of 279 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:46,480 your collection, even though it's using Jordan's signature 280 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:53,680 like very human proportions and very realistic looking weapons 281 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,920 and all that stuff. So if you go smaller, you have 282 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,880 to like ham up the the arms and the knives and the guns and the 283 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,680 mustaches and everything starts to skew more towards that kind 284 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,000 of character full, which is totally fine. 285 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,760 I have lots of minis like that. But yeah, we wanted something 286 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:21,120 that, you know, had that high level of detail and kind of you 287 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:24,720 had the fine detail without being too small or too big. 288 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,840 Yeah yeah, like I said, I'm getting I'm I'm newer ish to to 289 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,160 the scene, like a year a little bit more and man, the difference 290 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,360 between yeah, like a kind of smallish 28 and we're like the 291 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:40,960 30 twos in the detail like even like I don't know what it when I 292 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,520 was looking at warhammer, I mean he's like a space marines and I 293 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,320 was just like, oh, premieres just has a stomach now. 294 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,720 That's really what it is. They just have like a human 295 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,440 proportion where their chest isn't literally like sitting on 296 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,160 their belt and it gives them a little bit more of like the 297 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,200 realistic stuff, but it's definitely like AI mean. 298 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,720 I can understand what people like more old hammery stuff 299 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,160 because it's so. Like you said, character full 300 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,960 like everyone's got these like giant shoulders and giant hands 301 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,040 and and these cool designs across this like again, groin 302 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,320 that goes right into their chest. 303 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,760 So. Yeah, yeah. 304 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,960 In the early days of the Internet that I was like 305 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,480 following on, there's a website called DACA, DACA that's like 306 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,480 been a forum for a long time. And I remember guys on that 307 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,800 forum chopping the torsos off like here and then chopping at 308 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,960 the waist and then chopping each section of like, like hips and 309 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,320 legs and then feet. And I don't know what the lower 310 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,920 part of your leg is called, but just like literally breaking 311 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,440 them up into body parts and then sculpting in like human 312 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:53,480 proportions to it making like really good. 313 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,400 And like this is some of the origins of this really cool like 314 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,720 blur between, hey, I'm just using green stuff to kind of 315 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,360 emphasize something or tweak this mini so it's doing 316 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,320 something different than my friends minis. 317 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,800 And that evolution into complete full sculpting. 318 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,320 This one's somewhere in the middle. 319 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,040 But yeah that the the culture with that green stuff and keep 320 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,800 bashing is so sick. Yeah, it's with some I so I fuck 321 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,240 around with a little bit of green stuff and I've, I'm just, 322 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,000 I have no idea how these people make these tiny literally craft 323 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,280 whole people out of it. I'm like, I'm getting some 324 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,760 smeared stuff on and maybe putting a texture and, and 325 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,480 getting and I'm happy with it. But yeah, when I see people that 326 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,840 are literally making like entire like Savitar minis with like 327 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,880 every fucking detail and like you guys are crazy and you know, 328 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,680 with green stuff, I did buy like 6 tubes of it and throw it in 329 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,720 the freezer just in case. Like I start using it more since 330 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,920 now it's it's gone supposedly. But we'll see what goes on with 331 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:58,200 that. So many follow up questions to 332 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,720 that. Yeah, we could continue. 333 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,680 Did you know green stuff is like dead? 334 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,600 No. Yeah, there was one company. 335 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,120 There was apparently 1. I don't know. 336 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,200 There's single point of failure. There's like 1 factory that 337 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720 makes it, and the company that owns it decided to close that 338 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,600 one factory. So now like supposedly green 339 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,160 stuff is no more. There's another company that's 340 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,080 like, we're going to start making it now, but we have to 341 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,200 figure it out. But yeah, green stuff apparently 342 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,400 is what's out is out, and the factory's closed, so see what 343 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,080 happens. Man, yeah, times are changing, 344 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,120 that's how. How do corporations not 345 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,600 understand like Indy niche miniature kit bashing and and 346 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,800 why we need, you know, epoxy putties? 347 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,880 We need them, yeah. Blaster. 348 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,800 So Blaster going winding back a whole way. 349 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,600 So one of the things we talked about on the show with CJ was 350 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,400 Blaster Magazine and the and after about halfway now that 351 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,720 number 8, like after #4 it switched from anthologies of 352 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,120 games to one game per. What was the impetus for for 353 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:01,080 that change? Yeah, so it's really funny. 354 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,080 This is. So I'm going to tell you the 355 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,680 sidebar first and then I'll tell you the real story. 356 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:13,960 But the sidebar is that while we were doing blaster as a as a the 357 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,040 six of us, including me, it was constantly sad. 358 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,080 Like how come you don't just make one focused on that one 359 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,920 person and make it 1 author, one book. 360 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,600 So every release I was getting like drive through RPG comments, 361 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:36,240 Facebook comments, comments in the YouTube and I don't know, 362 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,120 that went sunk into the back of my mind. 363 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:46,280 And then in 2022, we had essentially we started as an 364 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,280 organization like the, the original founders created it as 365 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:55,880 a, as like it had a charter with rules about membership and it 366 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,600 was less of like a publishing contract and more of like an 367 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,920 indie collective. And that that's where we 368 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,360 started. And the charter was to be to 369 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:07,320 protect the author's rights. And the wording in there was 370 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,120 like if they left, the copy would cease to go into 371 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,360 production, or I don't even know if it was that explicit, but it 372 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:19,560 was essentially like if an artist wants to or an author 373 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,720 wants to leave, they get the creative rights back to their 374 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,560 book so that they can republish it, make it a put it, 375 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,800 incorporate that content into a hardcover or whatever they want 376 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:41,240 to do. And we, Sean and Sean and Mike 377 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:47,160 put a whole game into Volume 2. So the next volume up, we have 378 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,720 Mystic Skies and it has Yep. So there's a full game in that. 379 00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:03,160 And my brain just glitched. So the bar gets raised on volume 380 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,840 to it's starting to like push people to do like crazier stuff. 381 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:17,040 We have by volume 4, I think we have about 5 games in four 382 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:23,040 volumes of Blaster. And that means painting minis 383 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,600 and finishing rules quickly. And we were trying to do them 384 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:32,040 quarterly and I was being insane on graphic design and like 385 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,960 trying to push the boundary there. 386 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,640 So it's like a very intense process. 387 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,600 And we were in the middle of COVID just kind of like working 388 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,600 all the time. We were having meetings every 389 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,880 week. It was becoming very heavy and 390 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,920 burdensome to continue the process. 391 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,960 And we didn't get any of really the rewards. 392 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,800 Like we couldn't go to conventions and interact with 393 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,160 each other or people. And it was just a lot of hard 394 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,000 work. And starting in 2022 are the 395 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,560 authors. A few of them were like, I'm I 396 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,680 need to take a break like this. Like, this is great. 397 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,440 We love you, but like, I am, I need to go. 398 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,200 And at that time we were like, yeah, of course. 399 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,240 But looking at the charter, it looks like we have to shut the 400 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,400 magazine down is like the at least the best option and less 401 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,720 we could have like kept the organization running and then 402 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,360 added new people in. But it was just starting to get 403 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,760 to the point where it looked like it wouldn't blaster would 404 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,120 never come out again. And it's I was running Electi 405 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,440 already at that point. I was like, I wish there was 406 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,560 something Electi could do. And it occurred to me that I 407 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:55,040 could like purchase the rights to produce blaster and get the 408 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:01,000 get blaster back on track with a single author, which would 409 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:08,600 eliminate that kind of concern of of like one guy's out. 410 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,360 So now we have to shut the magazine down again. 411 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,000 So I was trying to do trying to essentially save it. 412 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000 And and that's where the one person, one book came from. 413 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:26,240 And it just went straight. The idea evolved into like in my 414 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,880 head, I'm imagining this, you know, store shelf in a game 415 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,040 store or a rack like the one behind you, the spinning racks, 416 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,520 you know, with miniature games that are independent, small, 417 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,400 some that are bigger names, some that are lesser names. 418 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,400 But you kind of develop a relationship with the concept of 419 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,920 blaster and who I am as a designer and a publisher. 420 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,720 And then who the, you know, the authors that I work with are 421 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,320 like, and then you start to build trust and go, I'll try 422 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,680 that one out. That's a cool cover. 423 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,960 What is this? And experience new things that 424 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:13,280 are maybe weird like slip runners is a non combat ship 425 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,080 with ship racer with Newtonian physics. 426 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,080 It's not like a full box miniature game, like it's weird. 427 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,000 And so having those all work together to be like, oh, you 428 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,280 want to try this cool blaster game? 429 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,760 It's kind of nuts. Was the was the momentum and 430 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,960 idea behind it now. And I always think back to now I 431 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,320 get comments, where's the four? Where's the, where's the 432 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,520 multiple author volumes? Where's volumes one through 4? 433 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,440 I want the ones where they're anthologies. 434 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,760 And I and it's now settled in my head. 435 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,360 I'm like, Oh yeah, you're not supposed to listen to comments. 436 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,720 And This is why, yeah. You can't win on the Internet. 437 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,320 Like that's just how it works. People always want what they 438 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,880 don't have it. It would be great too. 439 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,680 And I think about this all the time. 440 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320 I would love to be able to like see that moment in time where 441 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,000 like 2 timelines split off and you say one thing one time, one 442 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,840 thing the other, and see how someone will react to both. 443 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,200 Because I feel like it'd be the same thing. 444 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,760 They're just unhappy no matter what you do. 445 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,400 But. And then even within ourselves, 446 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,600 like I'm sure that's, I'm sure that's true for everybody, you 447 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,440 know, like just with a little empathy towards the commenters, 448 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,880 you know, like I had, and I totally get it, like we had on 449 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,760 the Kickstarter, some people comment that, you know, hey, 450 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,000 where's one through 4 and like they're numbered. 451 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,920 It makes sense to ask where's the first four? 452 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,240 And maybe that was my bad. Maybe I should have like 453 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,360 restarted the numbering. But they that's totally 454 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,520 reasonable. And like sharing this story, 455 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,320 it's kind of, it's kind of complicated, you know, like to 456 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,200 communicate it well and make sure I'm representing it well, 457 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,640 but it's OK. Like I, I, the punchline of what 458 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,760 I answered on those comments and, and the Kickstarter was 459 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:02,120 like, this is, this is the work that I'm doing right now. 460 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,720 And like it's on, you know, independent miniatures games 461 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,480 with a one person publisher is like that. 462 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,440 You have to buy it if you like it because it might not exist in 463 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,200 four years. Like I want to exist forever 464 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,960 doing this. However, like please, like 465 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,600 support the stuff you think is cool when you can because it 466 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,440 goes out of print. It goes out of print. 467 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,360 The relationships change and they're no longer available. 468 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,880 These things happen. So go some like whoever you're, 469 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,480 if you're sitting on the fence about that indie game and you're 470 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,320 like, I'll get it next year, like just go for it. 471 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,320 I mean within reason. If you can do that, you know, do 472 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,200 it. Yeah, I mean, that's a huge part 473 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,200 of Indy too. Like I, I, I love when there's 474 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,760 like a limited number of shit. I know some people don't, but 475 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,920 like if if there's like 100 out there and I have one of them, 476 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,280 I'm so happy if I get like the Alpha pre release, like just 477 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,160 printed in my backyard kind of stuff. 478 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,120 I love that stuff and I love that DIY in the aspect of of the 479 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,840 space, especially skirmish. And and I've been bit in the 480 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,760 past where I was like, oh, I'll grab that next week or I'll do 481 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,200 this or that and then it's gone. And like you said, it doesn't 482 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,720 exist. I have a list of like 10 bucks 483 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,960 and I'm like, man, if I ever see this, I know there were like 100 484 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,440 made, I'll I'll grab it. But but to your point, like, 485 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,440 yeah, like support the stuff you like now because not, it's not 486 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,280 fucking Amazon. Like when it's small indie 487 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,040 publishers, yeah, you're you can't keep it in in production 488 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,080 forever. You know, there's not the space 489 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,360 to to warehouse that there's not the, the, you know, even if 490 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,800 there is a demand, like a lot of times it's, it's a little bit 491 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600 smaller than, you know, a worldwide distribution. 492 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,520 No one's like fucking Penguin Books every year. 493 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,960 So it's if you like, I'd grab it. 494 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,680 Blaster one through 4. There was 0 produced. 495 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,400 It was a print on demand. So there was 0 produced. 496 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,400 It was like 1 per person who ordered it. 497 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,640 So if you have them and you bought them aftermarket, you're 498 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,720 buying them from a somebody's garage, you know, from 499 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,720 somebody's like bookshelf. It's not. 500 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,240 And it was their personal copy that they, they paid the 501 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:20,680 manufacturer essentially. And and you know, like you're 502 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,560 lucky with independent miniatures games to get 503 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,920 something that's being produced and numbers that's like over 504 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,040 1002 thousand. Like I think that's common. 505 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:38,560 But you know, yeah, there's new ways of producing books and like 506 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,000 like for Sleeping Hollow, I sleepy for Bloody Hollow, our 507 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,400 game Bloody Hollow, we did a Kickstarter. 508 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,560 The hardcover was super expensive to produce and we 509 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:55,520 produced like 300. So that's another one where it's 510 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:01,000 like, you know, that is a one to one relationship. 511 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,800 Again, people who backed it to people who got it. 512 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,720 And I have some extras I'll be bringing bringing to Adepticon. 513 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,520 So if you're there, pick one up. I'll, I'll see you next week. 514 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,640 I have so much painting to do between now and then, but I'll 515 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,720 see you next week. But outside of outside of 516 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:23,640 Blaster, you've worked on some other stuff as well, so yeah. 517 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,120 Yeah, yeah. So yeah, when I was, when I 518 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,920 started electing again, like there's a long wind up before I 519 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,000 had a book produced. And so I started relationships 520 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720 with different publishers, working with them on graphic 521 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,760 design. One of them was this, my friend, 522 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,200 the former art director of Privateer Press, Chris Ogden, 523 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,640 He, he's a friend of mine. And he directed me towards this 524 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,160 like kind of company that was doing rules that were super 525 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,840 simple and like streamlined versions of 40K on one page. 526 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,679 And they had this website that was like a terrible kind of like 527 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,040 blog and it's just like black and white most places. 528 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,920 And like there was no miniatures or very few miniatures and they 529 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,679 had a posting for graphic designer. 530 00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:25,120 So I, I applied and then started working with Gaetano at one page 531 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,719 rules. And he's the like the lead of 532 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:36,880 this creative lead of this, this movement of making games that 533 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,239 are like, I don't know, fun to play for, you know, the masses. 534 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,840 And watching that Patreon go from like, you know, 8000 535 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,400 members, which at the time I thought was incredible. 536 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:55,400 And now to like, can you look up Opr's current? 537 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400 It might be hidden. You might have to do like a. 538 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,040 You might have to do like a Google search to one of those 539 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,960 services that counts members but like 40. 5526. 540 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,720 Yeah, so a few. Just a couple. 541 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,760 Just one or two. Some of the most I've I've seen 542 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,840 on a Kickstarter outside like Shea and Pekku. 543 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,520 That's crazy. And so that is that is the thing 544 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,400 I worked on recently was last year I was working on their 545 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,720 broken Truth box set. I worked on the cover design and 546 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,040 some of the like the graphics for the Kickstarter. 547 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:41,520 And I guess they did game found. And yeah, it, it's been cool, 548 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,800 like working with people and seeing them come up the ranks. 549 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,800 And like, especially Guy Tano, watching that kind of explosive 550 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,080 growth and meeting the people that he's brought on the team 551 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,720 along the way has been really cool. 552 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,520 And that's a really, that's a really good company and you 553 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,440 should support them if you haven't. 554 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:05,880 They're very cool. And then I'm forgetting everyone 555 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,680 else. No, no. 556 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,600 I've also worked on some RPG stuff. 557 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,440 I've done art direction and graphic design for Goodman 558 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,080 Games. I did a bunch of work on The 559 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,040 Terror from the Under Deep with an art director named Matt 560 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,640 Hildebrand, who is just a little gem of a human being. 561 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,480 Really liked him. Yeah. 562 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,720 And it's been cool to work with these big brands and learn how 563 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:38,840 they do things, and it inspires me to do my stuff better. 564 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,280 But. How is it going from like 565 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,200 Blaster, where I know you said you, you, you work with some 566 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,520 people, especially on like Eternal and stuff like that, but 567 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,120 you're pretty much like the guy there deciding like how things 568 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,280 are going to look to then working with like OPR or like 569 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,600 especially DCC, because DCC has a very kind of like consistent 570 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,280 design language with a lot of the other way they do stuff. 571 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,280 How is it going from like kind of having control of one thing 572 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,600 to kind of being told how to do another thing? 573 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,920 It's a challenge, but less because of attitude, just more 574 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,160 like workflow. Just like how I've developed 575 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:26,240 working through a blaster. Just doesn't work for like A2 576 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:32,400 column RPG layout like it just required learning new skills. 577 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,880 And that's partially why I like the prospect of working with 578 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,200 other people's is continue to level up and learn new things. 579 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,400 And yeah, it's it's totally different. 580 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,800 You're absolutely right. So but the biggest thing again, 581 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,920 kind of going back to the beginning of the conversation is 582 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:56,080 that I wanted to make a lefty a place about collaboration and 583 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:03,400 everybody has different perspectives on that in Indy, I 584 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,080 think because if you're independent, like how 585 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,400 independent are we talking? Are you one person who wants to 586 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,880 just do it all? Then interacting with me is 587 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,680 frustrating because I'm like, hey, what if we do this? 588 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,360 What if we tried this? You know, like that can be a 589 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,920 frustrating experience, but for people that want to come 590 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,520 together and like, take that thing to the next level and work 591 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,280 kind of in each other's strengths and trust each other 592 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,000 and build that. Again, with Mike Hutchinson's 593 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,480 Hobgoblin, that's what we did. Like Maya came to me with a Word 594 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,640 document and with some ideas on visual language and I helped, 595 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,040 you know, like inspire a little bit of like what how do we 596 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,600 combine that visual language with art and with text? 597 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:56,280 And then I did like 5 or 6 laid out styles for hobgoblin before 598 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,240 I settled on like this extremely, you know, Spartan in 599 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,560 the context of other miniature games or other games where 600 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,080 there's like literally white on the backgrounds of the pages of 601 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:14,040 the book. And you get to those, you get to 602 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:21,120 those things of these really cool heights of art when you can 603 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,920 work together to collaborate on something. 604 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,520 My old boss used to say the secret to good ideas is lots of 605 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,520 ideas and you move more brains in the room means more ideas, 606 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:36,080 you know? Yeah. 607 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,280 And you know, like you said, I guess when you're trying to 608 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,920 build something that is a collaborative thing, being the 609 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,000 person that kind of corrals it all together, being malleable 610 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,760 enough to be like, well, this person really likes to do their 611 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,880 thing and wants a little bit of help. 612 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,720 Versus this person who wants to like mesh minds and, and blend 613 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,920 it all together is something that I, I assume is what you've 614 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,680 kind of had to deal with for, for a while. 615 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:04,160 Yeah, One of my favorite experiences is working with Andy 616 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,720 Chambers, and he just turns in like, a perfect manuscript. 617 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,800 You know, I was reading the manuscript like, all right, 618 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,520 Like, how can I possibly collaborate with this? 619 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,000 This is just done. Like, there was some, you know, 620 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,120 some errors that I caught. And he was thankful, but it's 621 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,120 not like it wasn't. It was like, man, this is you. 622 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,040 You were done with this when you came to me. 623 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,760 And it was like, you know, maybe too short. 624 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:37,880 It was like 10 pages, 12 pages of rules or something, but just 625 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,960 elegant rule after rule after rule is really cool to see it in 626 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,960 just Word document form. But yeah, I mean, you're, you're 627 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,000 learning each person in a collaboration and kind of 628 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,360 getting a sense of where it's at. 629 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,640 And I'm definitely far from mastered it. 630 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:59,360 And every blaster I'm like, do I know what I'm doing? 631 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,480 I think I know what I'm doing. I don't know. 632 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,440 So yeah, we're, we're still learning exactly how this how 633 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,400 this all works. I'm stoked about the where we're 634 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,120 at now. And yeah, each Blasters author 635 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,120 is completely different. Yeah, I mean, and every game is 636 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,880 completely living too. And, and now going to Blaster 8 637 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,760 because that's what's actually on the Kickstarter right now. 638 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,440 And you were nice enough to to to let me see one and have one 639 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,160 and hold one already, which is great. 640 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,640 And that it's, it's crowdfunding now. 641 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,120 So, so what's up with Blaster 8? What's going on with with what? 642 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,720 What is the newest game that that is coming out with with 643 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,960 Blaster? All right, now that people are 644 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,840 starting to wake up, they're hanging me on Discord, so I got 645 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:51,600 to turn this off before. So Kickstarter, I need to turn 646 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,680 off. Oh, let's just hope it doesn't 647 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,240 happen again I guess. So and it did not come through, 648 00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:58,480 you're good. OK, good. 649 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,960 I'm like, OK, Kickstarter Blaster 8 Kickstarter. 650 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,400 This is ask me the question again, apologies. 651 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,920 What the heck is is up with blast #8? 652 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,160 What? What's the game? 653 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,120 How has it been? Because I know the prepaid was 654 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,080 out for a long time. So what's up with Blaster 8? 655 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,480 What's the game? What? 656 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,760 Yeah. Yeah. 657 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,520 So I'll address both those questions. 658 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,680 Those are both good questions. So Blaster 8 is Dark Ages of 659 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,120 Anwin and the premise is really cool. 660 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,680 Will from Forbidden Song, most notably known for Forbidden 661 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,920 Psalm. And he's done, I feel like, 20 662 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,480 games. Yeah. 663 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,840 And that's it. Your section for his wall. 664 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,560 The entire shelf is just will, yeah. 665 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,920 Yeah, I love that. And, and it's awesome. 666 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,600 But early on in Blaster, Will reached out and was like, hey, 667 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,360 I'd love to like participate. So we've had this conversation 668 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,560 kind of going for years and he came to me with this new game 669 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,800 like, and and this isn't a knock against Will, but Will tends to 670 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,560 like kind of create like a round forbidden song, you know, and, 671 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,680 and when he creates something special and new, that's the 672 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,720 thing that kind of excites me about his work. 673 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,320 So when he created his RPG around in the dark or these 674 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,560 other things like or put or when he pushes forbidden Psalm really 675 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,680 far, like what it can do, That's what particularly excites me 676 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,280 about working with him. He came to me with a whole new 677 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,280 game system and this game design is awesome. 678 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:46,480 It's like small units from a village that aren't like Knights 679 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,920 or heroic warriors, but they're just like, you know, literally 680 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,600 villagers with Spears facing off against monsters. 681 00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,200 Some like maybe like a leader or hero that's like the, the, the 682 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:09,000 person that runs the, the village and, and the system is 683 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,800 like really elegant. He's brought in like push your 684 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,280 luck mechanics where you can activate your units more than 685 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,920 more than maybe you should, where you can start to exhaust 686 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,320 them. And it breaks down the dice 687 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,480 from, you know, they maybe they start at AD 8 for their dice 688 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,840 quality and then as they push themselves, they drop to AD 6 or 689 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,440 AD 3. So you're able to like push your 690 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,720 units to do multiple things and then exhaust them and they have 691 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:47,360 to like wait for the next round to to be back to their starting 692 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,200 dice area. That's all like all the 693 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,040 mechanics are cool. But then on top of it, he's got 694 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,720 this really cool foundation for culturally. 695 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:07,520 He's living in Wales, I believe he's Welsh and he's learning 696 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,920 Welsh. And, like, there's a big 697 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:17,240 movement in Wales for not losing the Welsh language, making it OK 698 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:21,600 to like, put it on signs so that people can functionally use it 699 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:27,240 in the country and culturally going back to things that were 700 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,880 culturally Welsh and taking ownership back over them. 701 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,960 And it's really, really cool. So the monsters in the game are 702 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,320 exactly part of that kind of movement. 703 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,640 They're like reclamations of Arthurian legends from not 704 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,840 England, but from Wales. And like, that's the origin of 705 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,400 it. So it's really, that's what's 706 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,400 going on with Blaster Volume 8. Yeah. 707 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,840 Yeah, and I mean the miniatures too. 708 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,240 We've already talked about miniatures a ton and the thing, 709 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,640 but my God, they're they're gorgeous. 710 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,080 And is it the same artist that you've been that you said was 711 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,760 that you've previously been working with? 712 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,680 Yeah. So in Skullforge, again, he got 713 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,440 very excited about doing monsters. 714 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:23,560 He So what makes again? What makes those miniatures from 715 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,560 Jordan shine when we're collaborating especially is the 716 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,920 illustrator is inspiring the design of what the miniature 717 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,680 looks like. And then Jordan's able to take 718 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:42,320 that kind of look and feel and make it work on the on the table 719 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:50,000 top in a really special way. And I think the, the forgetting 720 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:58,400 this, the horse's name, Dang it. I can see it in Welsh in my 721 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,720 head, but I can't say it. But the, the horse, the the 722 00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:05,480 water horse. That's what where the settled, 723 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,760 where there we go or settled door and the settled door, that 724 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,920 malevolent. It's like a malevolent shape 725 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,720 shifting horse that stabs and crushes the villagers and pops 726 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:22,160 out of the water. It's a Celtic legend that's 727 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,160 present in a lot of places in that area. 728 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,680 But this is like the kind of Welsh version, like a scary, 729 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,800 scarier kind of perspective on it. 730 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:41,040 And the illustrator when she worked Saprophil Saprophile, I 731 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:49,160 think she did an incredible job concepting these ideas that are 732 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,520 pretty loose. And it was really fun working 733 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,520 with her. And I just posted about how one 734 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,600 of the things I really liked about her work is that she's 735 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,520 doing really highly detailed surreal things. 736 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,280 Like if you follow her Instagram, she's she's doing 737 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,960 stuff where you're like your brain kind of goes, oh, I think 738 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,640 I can see what's going on. But the more you look at it, the 739 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,400 realize, you know, like this is an alien thing that I'm looking 740 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,520 at. This isn't real. 741 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,400 Like, yeah, like weird forms that are combining bugs in 742 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:26,200 humans, but they're like, very, again, surreal, but done in a 743 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,080 very realistic presentation, almost like a a medical like 744 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:36,200 design journal. So yeah, she set the tone And 745 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,200 then it it was really cool to see them come to life. 746 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,960 Yeah, I mean, see an incredible illustrator. 747 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,280 I know you know, Will's worked with her. 748 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,480 I know that like, you know, Fleming Hand and Max Muna 749 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,760 working with her as well and seeing more of her work kind of 750 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,120 in this space is incredible. I wish, I wish more games would 751 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,040 reach out to like, I love teach RPG artists and I love, you 752 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:55,960 know, all the people in the space. 753 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,400 But like finding someone who like maybe doesn't do that as a 754 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,160 prime thing and bringing them in gives like this kind of new 755 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,880 creative kind of look to to a lot of games. 756 00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:10,160 And I, you know, I have the, I have the, I'm not going to dare 757 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,400 try to pronounce the the creature's name, but the art up 758 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,440 for it right now. And my gosh, like the level of 759 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,680 detail in in what she does is absolutely incredible. 760 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,040 The the you mentioned Max moon games and flaming hand. 761 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,120 That's another person that I've worked with. 762 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,720 They're a group of people that I worked with. 763 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,840 I was working on their Black Ops kiss and that's How I Met Seth, 764 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:41,320 Seth profile. And that is a good example of of 765 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,920 what you're talking about. Those publisher that Janica and 766 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:52,400 Max do a really excellent job of reaching out to those different 767 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,720 artists. Like with a frastic beasts. 768 00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:01,160 Yeah, I think that tabletop RPG can serve to inspire tabletop 769 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,560 miniature games big time with that kind of stuff. 770 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,320 And that's what I'm trying to do, is connect artist that makes 771 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,480 sense for the concept. Like in Dark Age of Anwen, you 772 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:15,840 have Spirit Realm crossing over into the physical that is SAP 773 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,480 Raphael's work to the Saprophiles work to the Max. 774 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,960 It's just, you know, this weird thing kind of crossing over a 775 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,840 little bit. Yeah, no, it's it's gorgeous and 776 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,480 the game looks incredible. I mean I Will's a friend and an 777 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,720 incredible and prolific the creator. 778 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,520 He will have an idea and have like a full game the next day, 779 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,280 which boggles my mind. It took me like 5 months to do 3 780 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,160 days worth of work that he does in like 20 minutes. 781 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,760 And I don't understand how he puts out so much stuff and it's 782 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,120 always still great. But like you said, seeing I love 783 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,400 all of forbidden stuff, dread nights and last war and 784 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,920 everything are incredible. But you know, run from the dark 785 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,840 is a completely different thing. That has been really cool to see 786 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,120 the the wings spread on that. And then getting this as well as 787 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,960 I'm, I'm, I'm going to be getting this to the table now 788 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,160 that I have it for, you know, so many people and I'm super 789 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,480 excited for it. But so the Kickstarter is still 790 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,440 running right now. It is going for let's see 22 791 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,280 more days when people go back this right now, like what can 792 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,520 they get? And we talked about Blaster 8, 793 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,400 we talked about some miniatures, but what else is available with 794 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,800 the Kickstarter? Yeah, so we launched March 3rd 795 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,280 and we're going. So it's almost 40 days, which is 796 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,720 just not the rule. You're not supposed to do this. 797 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,480 You're supposed to like make people freak out and be afraid, 798 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,160 right, To miss out on it. That's not the goal here. 799 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,360 I'm trying to, I like just looked at like pay periods and 800 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,760 was like, how can I make sure people feel comfortable and that 801 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,920 they're not pressured into like pulling the trigger And yeah, it 802 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,320 looks. Yeah, Anyway, so take your time 803 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,120 with it. It's going to be around for a 804 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,680 few weeks, but I really want everyone to have an opportunity 805 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,960 to come join us on it. You're able to, you're able to 806 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,880 get the new game, Blaster Volume 8, which is Dark Ages of Anwin, 807 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,000 but you're also able to go back three games on top of that. 808 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:16,360 So you can go get Blaster Volume 7 Arsenal, which is Jordan 809 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,760 Cuffy's game and that's the Sculptor from Skullforge. 810 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:26,960 So he had just this passion about these large Macs and we've 811 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,560 been working on that game to like support those Big Macs. 812 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,920 And it's like a Titanfall arcade shooter essentially for the 813 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,520 tabletop. Very cool ask. 814 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:44,440 And then there's Slip Runners, who was Andy Chambers stopped me 815 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,200 at Adepticon and was like, hey, what is that? 816 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,320 And he saw me holding blasters and, and one of our 3D printed 817 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,840 tanks. And we developed a relationship 818 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,600 and he had this really crazy Newtonian physics game where 819 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,120 your ship starts moving like the video game Asteroids and then it 820 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,680 keeps moving until you like put afterburners in the other 821 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,000 direction. And so it has basically X wing, 822 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,600 like, you know, Starship scale fighters that don't have guns 823 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,080 and you're trying to go from point to point on the map. 824 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,760 And then the last one is you're able to. 825 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,160 And that's done by Andy Chambers and Gav Thorpe in collaboration 826 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:33,040 with indie publisher Best Hobby. The last game is Dead by Lead 827 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,040 volume is Blaster Volume 5, Dead by Lead. 828 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,600 And that's by Alex C Van Allen. He's up and coming game 829 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,600 designer. He's done a couple of things. 830 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,600 His games are extremely fun. They're lightweight and easy to 831 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,520 get into. You especially dead by lead 832 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:54,480 Bloody Hollows a little more dense, but dead by Lead is 833 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,760 really easy to get into. And we, we set out to say, like, 834 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:05,200 what if we treated Western games less campy and just said, Hey, 835 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,520 what's a skirmish like? What's the skirmish game like in 836 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,920 the Wild West? Like what's a gritty skirmish 837 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:11,920 game? Like? 838 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,040 How do you build a campaign system inside of the Wild West? 839 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,120 And we've created a fake town and county that you can explore 840 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,080 kind of like Mordheim or whatever, where you have like 841 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,120 this defined space that kind of inspires why people are fighting 842 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,240 without being like, you know, the same, you know, movie tropes 843 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,760 and all of that stuff. So those are what you get. 844 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,480 And then on top of that, we've produced physical miniatures for 845 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,720 each of those games that are finally going into boxes. 846 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,960 And now you can get the blaster magazine and the blaster 847 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:53,160 miniatures. All of our games are miniatures 848 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,480 agnostic slash friendly. Like we have miniatures for 849 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,920 them, but Dark Age is a van. When you're going to want to 850 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,760 produce your own village minis, you're going to want villager 851 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,640 minis. We have the monsters in the box 852 00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:09,440 and then each one of the other ones. 853 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,880 There's there's miniatures that are core to the game that you 854 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,960 can use to play in. Yeah, I'm every day I look at it 855 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,200 and get him like so I obviously back the dead by lead 856 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,480 miniatures. I have to, but I keep being like 857 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,400 I should just get all of them. Wait, no, I shouldn't. 858 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,520 No, I should just get all of them. 859 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,960 No, like I need a. The fact that there's still 860 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,400 three more weeks means by the end I'm probably going to end up 861 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,440 getting all of them in the SDLS. But but we'll see. 862 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,600 With. With Adepticon coming up with 863 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,360 all the money I know I'm going to spend there, maybe I'll 864 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,360 convince myself to to hold off for now, but it's going to be 865 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,280 hard. Yeah, and I'll have some stuff 866 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,400 at Adepticon and I'll be sharing a booth next to Skull Forge. 867 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,840 So Skull Forge will have a ton of really cool like sci-fi stuff 868 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,440 and then kind of like I know he has a bunch of surprises planned 869 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,600 in terms of what's at his booth. And then next door I'll be there 870 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,560 with Blaster and you can, you can purchase Blaster there too, 871 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,200 so. Yeah, can't wait. 872 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,600 Like I said, we're like 6 days away. 873 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,240 So, so very excited for for Adeptagon coming up. 874 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,360 And and again, now that we've now that we've met, we can meet 875 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,080 in person, which, which, which is going to be cool. 876 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,040 I'm definitely going to snag whatever you guys have there. 877 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:28,080 But, but Greg, it's been a pleasure talking to you when 878 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,600 people go back all of your stuff when they find Electi Studio, 879 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,000 because you know, there you have a ton of STLS, all of your 880 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,440 games, everything. Where can people find you? 881 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:37,760 Where can people find Electi Studio? 882 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,600 Where can people find everything that we've kind of been talking 883 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,800 about for for the last hour? Yeah, so most of the stuff is on 884 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,920 our website, electi-studio.com. Blaster, the Blaster 885 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,160 Kickstarter. The Blaster Kickstarter has a 886 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,960 lot of the a lot of the stuff, so you can get 90% of the way 887 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,920 there. But then we have games like 888 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,720 Eternal, Hobgoblin and A Bloody Hollow on our main website. 889 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:07,760 Yeah. So go, go for those listening, 890 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,080 go grab all of those. Come say hi to to Greg at 891 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,880 Adepticon if you're going to be there. 892 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,000 I'll probably be floating around the booth a bunch. 893 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,200 So we'll see. We'll see what happens with 894 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,360 that. But seriously, Greg, love 895 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,280 Blasphemy Magazine. It's been a pleasure talking to 896 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,400 you. Love what you're doing with 897 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,720 Electi Studio and excited to see you again in a week. 898 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,440 But seriously, thank you so much for coming on the show. 899 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,240 Thank you. Yeah, it was a pleasure. 900 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,120 Nice talking to you, Ryan. Yeah, absolutely. 901 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,400 And I hopefully you'll come on again for blaster #9 whenever 902 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,280 that comes out again. But we'll see how it goes. 903 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,400 But again, thank you all for listening. 904 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,040 Appreciate it. Thank you so much and and have a 905 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:37,360 good day.