1 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,440 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll podcast. 2 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,560 My Name Is Ryan. And I'm a mutant survivor of the 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,920 apocalypse. And with us today, we have a 4 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,960 special guest. This is Spiro Strakatos. 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,520 How are you doing today, Spiros? I'm great, happy to be here. 6 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,840 Yeah, we're happy to have you. Yeah, So, so you're here today 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,520 talking about a project that's funding. 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,640 I don't is it, I guess it's technically Zenquest, I mean it 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,480 is Zenquest that a has a little Zenquest. 10 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:47,680 They are Zenes for the notice to Zen for Dim Day Red. 11 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,320 The first actually funded it was about a year ago, right? 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,200 Yep, it was last year's Zenquest. 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,400 Yeah, and this one's already passed that one as far as number 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:01,680 of backers and money and everything. 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:07,120 So congratulations on funding. What in like one hour 200% and 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:13,880 under an hour on this project? Yes, it was more prepared that 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,680 time because last year what happened that it was I was 18 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,480 working on BIM Direct, on on a bigger game, the boxed version. 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:30,880 I had no real idea of you to create a scene or anything. 20 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:36,120 So a friend came to the studio and he told me a Zen quest is 21 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,280 coming and what didn't. Why don't you create a scene for 22 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,840 dinner and, you know, check stuff? 23 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,480 Because I hadn't published anything until then, and it was 24 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:52,600 the best idea ever. It was really useful because I 25 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,480 got the chance to try stuff and see how the whole thing worked 26 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,880 instead of working full time to create a finished product. 27 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:09,759 But the The funny thing was that this conversation happened about 28 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,400 a week before Zinc Quest. So I had no preparation. 29 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:20,680 Nobody knew that I was coming, nobody knew almost anything 30 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,880 about the game. So it was really cool that it 31 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:32,120 came out and people saw it and got their attention, yeah. 32 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,800 Well, I mean, we talked about it a little bit before the stream, 33 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,280 that it looks absolutely gorgeous. 34 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,720 The fact that you're telling me that you you, with like a week's 35 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,040 notice, you put out the quality product of like what the first 36 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,400 Kickstarter was, it's crazy to me. 37 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:51,160 Yeah, no, I'm, I'm sitting a bit here because that's what I do. 38 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,640 I'm, I'm a designer. That's my job. 39 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,000 I have been paid for many years to take other people's stuff and 40 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,320 make them pretty and and seldom, you know. 41 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:09,800 So when I when I decided to work on that project, the only easy 42 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:16,200 thing for me was to make it in a way not not only that it will be 43 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,720 beautiful and and, you know, pretty, but in a way that it 44 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,600 would attract people's attention in the way I wanted. 45 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:25,920 I wanted them to connect with that. 46 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,840 So yeah, that's the easy part. Every other part in this, and 47 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:38,320 especially the outgoing thing that you have to be out there 48 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,520 and people know you. That's the hard part for me 49 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:50,280 because I'm not very outgoing, but you have to be and I'm 50 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,400 trying. Yeah, it definitely is. 51 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,640 Does seem like it's part of like the job. 52 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,760 But before we get any deeper, can you What is Dim Day Red? 53 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,040 OK, Dim Day Red. It's it's my baby first. 54 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,000 First of all, I don't think Dim day, It's my baby. 55 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:16,399 So it's actually an idea I had about three years ago. 56 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,120 Dim the Red was created during the the first lockdown in in the 57 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:29,960 Pandemic where we're all sitting in our homes and we had not much 58 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,600 to do. So yeah, I I did that. 59 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:39,040 And the the main thing about Dim the Red before it became 60 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,720 Tabletop RPT, before it became any other kind of application 61 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,160 like the comic or a mobile game that I'm making right right now 62 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,320 on on the story. The first thing it was it was an 63 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:58,800 idea of what would happen if the world ended in 52 years what 64 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,520 what would we do if the the world would end and we knew that 65 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:11,600 OK so on on that concept. On that premise I I based the 66 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:17,520 the whole setting and the whole world and the the the idea is 67 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,960 that sometimes people come to me. 68 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:27,160 First of all the the main setting in dim the red is that 69 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,240 Earth has fallen off its orbit and it's going towards the sun. 70 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,800 So it's getting hotter and hotter and in 52 years it will 71 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,120 be so close to the sun that it will be so hot that everything 72 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,840 will burn. Everybody will die and they 73 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:47,360 can't leave the planet because solar storms and magnetic fields 74 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,280 have fried or all their electronics. 75 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,880 So they have machines but they don't have computers, so they 76 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,560 they can't make spaceships and just go. 77 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,600 They have to stick there and and wait for it. 78 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:04,600 OK, So the idea is what would the world society people would 79 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:12,680 do in a setting like that? So many times not too few. 80 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,920 People come to Main Souls and other places when I saw the game 81 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:21,720 and they tell me, oh, it's too bleak, everybody will die. 82 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,560 Now hope it's the dark for me and all that and what I tell 83 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,240 them, it's really funny for me. I really enjoy it. 84 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,440 Which is the real concept behind the whole thing, is that as 85 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,920 adults, all of us more or less take five, take 10, doesn't 86 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,480 matter. We will die in 50 something 87 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,880 years, OK? And we know that. 88 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,800 We know that we're going to die. We're going to a certain end. 89 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,840 But we don't just say, OK, I will jump out the window, most 90 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:59,640 of us or I will go and break every car in the street or 91 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,720 whatever. We leave that, you know, time 92 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,120 that we have and we make choices on what we will do with that. 93 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,000 We will work. We will fall in love. 94 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,680 I don't know we will rebell if we were free to do that. 95 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:20,360 So what if you take this premise that it's true for every person 96 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,680 and you apply it to the whole world? 97 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,360 What would the whole world do? And of course, of course, 98 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,640 society and social structures have crumbled, because if you 99 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,320 know that everything will end you, you're not going to just, 100 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:43,360 you know, go and vote and and do stuff that you would do 101 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:50,720 normally. But even if society crumbles in, 102 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,840 in a setting like that, what would the rich and and the 103 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,400 powerful people do? I wouldn't say most of them. 104 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,600 So fuck it. Sorry. 105 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,520 Just, you know, feel. Free to swear, by the way. 106 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,960 I know I forgot to tell you that before before stream, but 107 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,640 absolutely go for. It yeah, So they wouldn't say 108 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,320 just, you know let everything go. 109 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,200 These are the people who will come and take the power what 110 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,600 whatever power is left. So that's what has happened and 111 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,720 new coalitions have been created. 112 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:34,559 Another important theme of this story is that because of the 113 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:41,360 heat, solar polar ice have melted, so the most of the 114 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,000 northern hemisphere is underwater, which is something 115 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,880 that would would really happen in a way. 116 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:53,760 Have exaggerated a bit, but I found some maps from some 117 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,640 research and most of northern Europe will be underwater in a 118 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,960 in a situation like that. So what happens is that the 119 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:07,760 north has moved to the South and recolonized the South. 120 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,160 So Europe now is in Africa, so. Again, again. 121 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:22,560 Yeah, yeah. And it is ruled by families as 122 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:26,040 as it happens of course today. But today they are behind the 123 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,760 scenes. Now they're, you know, in front. 124 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,520 And we play in newborn, which is the, the capital of Pan Europa, 125 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:42,280 the new Europe, which is located where Cairo is today. 126 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,840 And there is in the story some Mystic theme about the pyramids 127 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,480 and and all that is there's an element of, you know, the 128 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,760 spiritual and and paranormal about that, Yeah. 129 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,600 One of my favorite things about the setting specifically because 130 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,800 there's so much flavor in it, it's crazy, is kind of something 131 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,640 you you touched on a little bit like behind the scenes versus in 132 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,120 front of the scenes. Because if it sounds bleak and 133 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,360 it sounds, you know, like a lot, it's just that, right? 134 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,480 It's exactly what's happening right now. 135 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,720 It's just it's now in front of your face, not behind the 136 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,040 scenes. And so ever as I was reading it 137 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,040 and going through everything, I was like, Oh yeah, what would 138 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,360 happen? Oh, exactly this. 139 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,080 The rich would just be super rich. 140 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,600 Like society would crumble and and become a caste system and 141 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,280 the global N would once again colonize the global. 142 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,920 SI mean this is exactly what would happen if this would 143 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:46,880 happen. So it. 144 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,960 I mean, it's it's bleak in a sense, but it's also, I don't 145 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,120 know, a weirdly refreshing honesty that I really liked from 146 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,280 it. That yeah. 147 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,800 That's one thing I really enjoy. When people come to me and they 148 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,800 tell me something like that, which is that it, it feels real 149 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,160 to me. And I say that's exactly what I 150 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,000 was going for. You know, something that's quite 151 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,840 exaggerated and you have mutants and how you have machines and 152 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,840 you have makers and all that, but in a way it has a 153 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,440 connections that feel real, real to us. 154 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:33,120 And yeah, I like that. Yeah. 155 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,840 It is very, very honest in a certain way and it it the maps 156 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,800 are incredible also and shout out the city state of Dallas 157 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,480 because I'm from Dallas, TX. But so beyond the game, there is 158 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,800 a comic as well, right? Yep, Yep. 159 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,400 So yeah, absolutely go off on that. 160 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,880 Yeah, sorry. For me, Dim the Red is not a 161 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,800 game. It's it's a story. 162 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,880 So in that story concept, on that concept what I like to do, 163 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:13,480 I'm this kind of guy who's as an artist I was always you know, 164 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,840 multi disciplinary kind of you know, creator. 165 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,760 So I was creating one thing and my eye was on the next. 166 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,800 So what's next? And all about that? 167 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,600 So I knew that when I started working on Dim Day Red, I knew 168 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:38,240 that if I went for only one thing, I would be bored, as many 169 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:45,120 people like me do. So I wanted and I tried to 170 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,800 create different touch points into the story. 171 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:55,200 So people who don't play for for example, tabletop RPGs can go 172 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,240 into the story from a from another way, from a comic or 173 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,280 from a novel or from the the mobile game that's that's under 174 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,280 development. So yeah, yeah. 175 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:11,480 And when I when I decided to to create the the comic, of course, 176 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:18,720 because I'm that old, it had to be black and white and it had to 177 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:26,800 be you know in in a kind of 80s more European style. 178 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,760 Not, not so much. You know the the more American 179 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,280 comics that of course we grew up with, but we're most used to, 180 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,000 yeah. Yeah, it is very visually like 181 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,000 striking it it it actually reminded me a little bit of Sin 182 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,360 City in some of the animals. Like, not because of the of the 183 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,360 black and white, yeah. Yeah, the black. 184 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,640 They're very much the black and white. 185 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:54,280 So for dimly red you went with a Power by the Apocalypse game. 186 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,520 What? What drove you to choose that 187 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,320 system over like another decision making? 188 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:09,120 So although I'm old, I'm not one of those people who grew up with 189 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,360 tabletop properties. I didn't play Dungeons and 190 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:22,360 Dragons in the 80s, so I didn't come into this game with a lot 191 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:29,000 of experience and a lot of ideas about mechanics and all that. 192 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:35,640 So when I was researching about systems and which I could use 193 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,400 and I was reading the stuff that the guys from that created the 194 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:46,480 part by the Apocalypse have written and I found a line that 195 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,760 said that these are the rules. I think it was in the Apocalypse 196 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,440 world. These are the rules. 197 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,000 But you know you don't have to follow the rules if you don't 198 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,160 want to just, you know make your own rules. 199 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:07,000 These are these are not just these are just guidelines. 200 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,480 And I I thought I like that because what I what I wanted to 201 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,440 do is to intrigue people to come into this world and then you 202 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,520 know do what what you like. So this was the one thing I 203 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,920 really liked from Powered by the Apocalypse. 204 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,600 Of course other other systems are also free, but I I I found 205 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,760 this line that I really liked. Yeah, it it connected with me. 206 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:41,440 And the other thing for me for not being this very hardcore 207 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:48,680 table top part of the, you know, creator or player, the the 208 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,560 powered by the apocalypse with this system, with the playbooks 209 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:59,120 they have and they moved and all that it's remind me of of of a 210 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,880 video game. You know the way video games, 211 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:09,960 video RPGs work and because I I have spent a lot of my life 212 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:17,840 playing RPGs in various electronic devices this also 213 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,560 connected with me. I found it really cool and 214 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,200 interesting to you know use the moves and then upgrade your 215 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:32,520 character and gain new moves and and all that and and of course I 216 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,960 understand I I I had it in mind then and the more experience I 217 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:45,880 get from the the the area of table top RPGs, there are people 218 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:51,320 who are very interested in mechanics and things how they 219 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,760 work and to be balanced and all that. 220 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:59,320 And I understand that part by the Apocalypse may not be a 221 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:06,000 system that really speaks to these people, but there are also 222 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,960 other groups, not small groups, who don't put so much weight on 223 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,040 that and they they care about more about the story and the 224 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,040 interaction and the role play and all that. 225 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,880 So yeah, I I made the decision. I said OK, I'm about 226 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,119 storytelling. These people are about 227 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,920 storytelling. So I I will go you know with 228 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,600 this. Yeah, absolutely. 229 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:35,880 I do think they're I I do really appreciate the, like, video game 230 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,360 Ness of power by the apocalypse, especially when it comes to 231 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:40,080 earning new moves as you level up. 232 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,800 Like, that is one thing that I definitely very much love. 233 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,120 Like, yeah, you get to like pick one of the list. 234 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:47,680 And I don't know, I do appreciate that aspect. 235 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,880 And I can see there's a good modality for, like, really 236 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,920 telling in there, like that narrative. 237 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,000 Yeah, I mean PPTA is, it's a it's it's definitely leans more 238 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,080 into the like narrative story game side of tabletop 239 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,200 role-playing games versus like you know OSR, NSR games that 240 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,040 have the more of like the emergent narrative and things 241 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,440 like that. So it's interesting when you say 242 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,320 that that's how you kind of approached it to begin with that 243 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,760 you went with. Obviously you went with the 244 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,440 system that would really lean into that, but also that you 245 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,440 have this like how you said it feels a little video gamey and 246 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:25,520 you're also doing this like kind of multi media approach where 247 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,920 you are actually gonna have a mobile game and everything too. 248 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,040 So it feels like there's a level of consistency through those 249 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,920 things that'll help it all feel super consistent. 250 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,720 Was that kind of a thought behind it? 251 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,680 And when you first were working with DMD Red, was there ever a 252 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,360 thought to do a different system or was PBTA where you would set 253 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,080 it on pretty early in the process? 254 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:58,160 Yeah, yeah, that's about it. I I did some when I first came 255 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,320 with the idea and started working, I was going for a video 256 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,600 game, but that was the first first idea. 257 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,560 Let's let's create a video game. But then because my my older 258 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:18,080 son, he he has spent his youth playing D&D and the other games 259 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,840 like that. So he gave me a lot of input and 260 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,640 a lot of ideas of how this should work as a as a concept, 261 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,520 how it would work as a tabletop game. 262 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:36,080 And then I started looking into it and the thing that intrigued 263 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:44,800 me most of of all was that are are really. 264 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:51,360 When I see movies and I read books or or comics or whatever 265 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,640 this I'm one of these people that the thing that intrigues me 266 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,000 more, that interested me more is the world building. 267 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,560 I love world building. I mean, I don't care what will 268 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,040 happen, just, you know, show me what happens in this world, 269 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,480 which I understand of course, that for many people, if not 270 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,400 most. It's the opposite. 271 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,000 People don't care too much about the world, but they care about 272 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,080 the story, what will happen to the characters and all that. 273 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,360 But I'm not like that, for better or worse. 274 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:32,760 So I really love the idea with the tabletop RPG that I could 275 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,720 create the world, a thing that I really love doing, and then I 276 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,440 could give it to people and say, OK, this is the word, do what 277 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,200 you want, create your own stuff, you know? 278 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,800 Absolutely. And I don't care what will 279 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,800 happen. So yeah. 280 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,640 So within the system cuz it is pretty, I mean it's pretty PBTA 281 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,760 consistently through as far as when you look in these 282 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,320 composites world or I'm not not blades it's definitely not 283 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,400 leaning into forge but there are a couple of differences and 284 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,040 things that you change so like they're they're D8 instead of D 285 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,200 sixes and then you also added something that's on your shirt 286 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:17,240 there too is that the the sins and and and virtues like the 287 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:22,200 yeah So what what what are what was the reason to switch to AD 8 288 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,000 and what made you want to add in the like the tenant dice in the 289 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,760 Senate the the sins and virtues and things. 290 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:35,560 OK, as as I was saying the the main concept of deteriorate is 291 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,280 for me at least it's quite existential, you know, life, 292 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,360 death and all that. So my approach to to to the 293 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:48,880 game, it's it. It has a lot to do with the 294 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:55,040 human psyche. What what the, the, the question 295 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:00,960 that sets is what would you do if the world ended in 52 years? 296 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:08,400 That's the question. So each of us would choose 297 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,600 differently. Somebody would go to the 298 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,120 mountains and become, you know, whatever. 299 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,720 Somebody else would rebel and do stuff. 300 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:23,280 Somebody else would take their partner and go have, you know, 301 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:29,160 live their love, whatever. So the decisions we make come 302 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,440 from inside, from our psyche, I don't know from our character 303 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,320 and all that. And for me that was that's an 304 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:44,680 important factor of how we we make choices and what our 305 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,920 choices, how our choices define us. 306 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:53,000 So this was the the main idea to create the the Moribus cards 307 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:59,240 which are in in practice their traits of the of the character, 308 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,840 different traits of the human character. 309 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,800 And these, depending of of how you choose them, will lead you 310 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,240 to one or more of the seven deadly sins or the seven 311 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,160 heavenly virtues. Because at the end these seven 312 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,440 and seven are supposed to be the, you know the pillars of the 313 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,720 human psyche, either good or bad. 314 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,040 So that's that was the idea behind why why have this system 315 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:38,960 OK and the idea why have cards except from I always like cards 316 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,440 and I want to create cards for my game. 317 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:51,000 Is that an idea? I find it interesting is that as 318 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:59,760 people will make choices and but many times if not most luck, the 319 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:05,040 factor of luck comes into our decisions and you know makes 320 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:09,120 them more complicated or the outcome is not what we wanted. 321 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:16,880 So by using the cards I I put the element of luck inside this 322 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:24,000 whole idea. So you can choose which kind of 323 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,360 which traits you will take. You will use from from from the 324 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:33,400 deck, but you choose it by choosing 3 cards in random. 325 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,920 So the element of luck and all this you know comes together. 326 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,040 And because there are 7 sins and seven virtues, I used the 8 327 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:50,280 sided dice to have the seven and the eight is 0. 328 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,520 So that connects with with the seven like a magic number that 329 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,040 comes again in in the game. And because I didn't like, I 330 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:08,880 didn't really like the way the seven sided dice look and work I 331 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,960 I use the 8 and use the zero as 8. 332 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,960 That that was a good decision, I think. 333 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,320 Yeah, the seven sided dice they, I mean it could be DCC and you 334 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,800 could have like 50 different dice, but I I definitely think 335 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,320 you made a good call on that one. 336 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,680 Yeah. But yeah, I really like the 337 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,680 throughput all the way through. Like you said of the, I mean 338 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,040 like clearly you have like you're an artist, you have this 339 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,000 artistic vision that is really shines through and shines 340 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,920 through the consistency. And like you said, this level of 341 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,280 like you said existentialism really comes through throughout 342 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,160 the story, throughout the mechanic, throughout the way the 343 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,280 characters work like through the dice and everything. 344 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,600 So it's really nice to see that level of artistry and elegance 345 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,080 that has gone through not just the project last year, the 346 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,520 project this year and the through lines through that are 347 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,560 really, really beautiful, so. Yeah, yeah. 348 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:13,560 Well, when I first first started working on the Red, first of all 349 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:21,000 what I wanted to do was to manage to make it my main thing 350 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,480 to to live from that, you know, not just work on it as a hobby. 351 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,840 I have a design studio here in Greece. 352 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:36,440 Most of my time until now I've been working on projects and 353 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,240 design projects for clients and stuff, which it was OK for 25 354 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,520 years. At some point I thought I would 355 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,200 I wanted to do something, you know, for myself. 356 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:55,440 So when I when I said to to make this thing work, not as a side 357 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:03,920 project, not as a hobby, but as a main, one thing I always had 358 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,760 in mind was that I've been, well, as I said, I've been 359 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,360 playing video games many, many years. 360 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:20,000 But what I noticed was that in later years, and even as games 361 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,440 became better, more attractive, more interesting, because I 362 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,120 always like to play games that had the story over story driven, 363 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:34,160 not so much, you know, shooters than that I would play 364 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,880 something. I would really, really enjoy it. 365 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,440 And then in a in a couple of months, I don't know, in some 366 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,840 weeks I I will, I will have forgotten all about it. 367 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,920 I wouldn't remember and I really like that thing. 368 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:56,600 So when I started to make my own game, I I I thought, OK, so 369 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,920 fucking what? You were going to create the 370 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,840 game. You know, who cares? 371 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,680 It's just another game. It's, it's it may be beautiful, 372 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,360 maybe super fantastic, but, you know, there are so many others. 373 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,400 So why yours? Why, why is this? 374 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,320 Would this thing matter? So you can not only just make it 375 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,480 and say, OK, I made it, you know, enjoy it, but you, you 376 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,800 don't. You want to keep working on that 377 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:32,360 and and that's why every move I make it's not just to OK, say I 378 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:40,760 make just another game and that's why I I put so much 379 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:47,960 effort and attention to the world and how this connects with 380 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,440 people. I think it's it may not be very 381 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,880 original, but I have in my mind the example of what I don't 382 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,400 remember his first name. Kirkman who made The Walking 383 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,600 Dead. The Guy Who made Walking Dead. 384 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,640 Oh, like the original comic. Oh, I I could. 385 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,000 I know you're talking about, but I couldn't tell you his name if 386 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:16,680 if I think I was. Wrong. 387 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,760 His last name is is Kirkman I I don't remember his first anyway. 388 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,080 Robert Kirkman. Yeah, yeah, Robert. 389 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. 390 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,360 So I had this in mind because this guy, what? 391 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:35,160 What he did, really. What what What did he do, 392 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,600 actually, He just made a story about zombies. 393 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,400 So fucking what? But it it drew people. 394 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,400 Lame, you know? And it drew people that had no 395 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,080 real experience or connection with zombies before. 396 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,280 Because he, he managed, you know, in a way from the comics 397 00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,280 even to to create this interesting dynamic between the 398 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,480 characters and all that. So I had that as a good example 399 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,360 for what I'm trying to do. How can you create a setting 400 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,080 that's so intriguing and interesting and relatable or 401 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,960 whatever for its person is exciting that they want to come 402 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,200 in and and discover stuff about that. 403 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,200 So that's what I'm trying to do. Yeah, I mean like you said, 404 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,760 hitting it from why your game and why would people keep going. 405 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,000 The fact that you do have the comic, you have the mobile game, 406 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,760 you have the original one, but not only that, cause the 407 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:46,200 Kickstarter you're doing right now isn't it's noticed two. 408 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,480 So you are actually breaking up the the main city right newborn 409 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:56,080 into five kind of areas or or districts to talk about and the 410 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,680 first one was in the first Kickstarter a year ago and this 411 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,640 is actually for this Kickstarter you're doing right now is for 412 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,480 the second one, correct? Yep, Yep. 413 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,840 First the first. First of all, these are the five 414 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,360 districts of the center. The center is an area. 415 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:19,080 It's a big area in newborn which is encircled by a huge wall and 416 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:25,480 inside that wall the the lower castes have to have to leave. 417 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,360 They they're not permitted to leave the wall, the center. 418 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,440 And this is again the opposite of what happens usually in 419 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,720 stories in history where the rich people are inside the wall. 420 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,440 So the poor people are inside the wall and they they have to, 421 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,960 they don't have the freedom to just believe. 422 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:53,920 So they have to to be in there. I was always fun of Kafkaesque 423 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,600 stories where the system is so powerful that you have no hope 424 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,200 against it. One of my favorite movies is 425 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:11,680 Brazil, if you remember it. The idea is that at the end the 426 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:18,920 hero wins and takes the girl and he flies free and all that. 427 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,560 But of course nothing of that is true because he's still in in in 428 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:29,200 there, stuck in in the system. But what's really important for 429 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:35,360 me is how we have freedom inside of us. 430 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:44,280 You know, you you can be really pressed or really caged 431 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,240 literally or not. But if you're free inside or if 432 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,200 you're free with somebody else and you together you you, you 433 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,600 create something at the end that's that's for me that's I 434 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,880 don't know, something important. So anyway that that's the 435 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,120 setting in in the center. So the center has five 436 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:14,800 districts. And even if all the outcasts are 437 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,480 locked in there, even in in that setting, there are those who 438 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,480 have less and those who have nothing. 439 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,600 Even in that setting, there are people who are bigots and 440 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,840 they're racist because they look down at the the lower people 441 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:41,000 than them, which is something that actually again, happens in 442 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,400 in society, you know? Yeah. 443 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,280 Absolutely. There are because of who are not 444 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,680 rich, who are not, you know who who are depressed by the system 445 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,280 and again they look down to other people because they they 446 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,960 believe there are lesser people than them. 447 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:07,000 So yeah that's humanity for you. And last year's Z was about 448 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:14,920 Faust district because Nailborn is ruled by the German family, 449 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,000 the Dietrichs. There's there's a lot of German 450 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,120 element in the names and in in the culture and and stuff. 451 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:32,760 So Faust District was last year which is a relatively wealthier 452 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,760 although they have nothing but they're wealthier than Place 453 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:44,719 District which is this year's which really downgraded in this 454 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,520 year's scene. Don't know if you saw it in the 455 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,639 campaign. There's an unfolding map on the 456 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,520 cover of the scene. I really enjoyed that. 457 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:01,440 It's it's Hotspot Slam. It's a vertical slam. 458 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:08,560 It goes up like a tower. And there are about 59 rooms in 459 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,360 that map. And in each room it's a 460 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,160 different story and different NPCS. 461 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:20,040 So and each of them have their own kind of, you know, misery or 462 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,560 story or or something that happens to them that you're 463 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,400 going to find out. Yeah, yeah. 464 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,840 So what was I? I love the, I love the fact that 465 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,360 there's going to be more content for this and you have a what 466 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,000 sounds like potentially A5 year plan even to just get through 467 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,840 these. If you do it every year for Zing 468 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,240 Quest, these five districts you went with kind of like a a more 469 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:48,960 wealthy ruling class like area Last time in the Kickstarter 470 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,560 description it says that Fleisch is like pretty much the most 471 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,520 impoverished and perilous area. What was have you planned out 472 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,840 how you're going to drop those and was there was your thought 473 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,360 to do kind of a more well off area and then like the most 474 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,040 impoverished area like one after the other to kind of show the 475 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:12,160 dichotomy or? My idea was to to to mix them up 476 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:17,240 because Faust is it's kind of wealthy. 477 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,120 It's not the wealthiest because there is one district that 478 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:27,720 members of the of the upper class, the colors, they live 479 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:32,800 there because they have to run the the the system and and the 480 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,240 services in inside the center. So these people live in their 481 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,240 own district and this is the the wealthiest district. 482 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,400 I will probably leave that for the end. 483 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:51,800 So from the OK, so, so Faust, we went to the darker flesh this 484 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,040 this year and probably next year, if not in the summer, 485 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:02,200 because I will probably start to speed this up, not to take five 486 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:09,480 years to finish the whole thing. The next one will be vermin and 487 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,560 vermin. It's a district that people who 488 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:19,240 live there are not really people it's it's the darkest more 489 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,760 downgraded part of of the centre. 490 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,120 But yeah I I tried to to mix them up so it's not it's not 491 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:37,040 boring it's not repetitive. So yeah and I try it's it's this 492 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,720 trick to have something that's unique. 493 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,400 I don't know if if you if it caught your eye the the morning 494 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,280 Dukes bloodsport because you know of course I wanted to find 495 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,840 a bloodsport for this story and this setting and because you 496 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,640 know Thunderdome and all that had been done I didn't want to 497 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,080 to do people who were fight just fighting and the whole racing 498 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,280 thing. So I I got the idea of of 499 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:15,400 jousting with with motorbikes. So you you have this and what 500 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,240 I'm doing this year is that because I'm I'm expanding last 501 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:25,360 year's Zinn which which again appears in this campaign Zinn 502 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:35,040 notice 2 will have 68868 pages. Last year not just one had 22 so 503 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,720 I wanted to expand that so it's it comes closer to to the 504 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,240 second. So what what I'm expanding it 505 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:48,680 with is the rules of monotubes, how how it plays. 506 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,720 So it will be fun, yeah. Yeah, talking about the 507 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,840 Kickstarter and and what's available on it. 508 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,600 So when people go back this, which they absolutely should, 509 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,920 what can I actually expect to get specifically from the 510 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,080 Kickstarter? What are your tiers? 511 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,080 What are and what's available this year? 512 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:16,400 OK, my idea from the start, and I'm trying hard to achieve that, 513 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:23,320 I'm thinking I'm doing it, was to create value for people who 514 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:34,360 support this and and honor my work with their time and money. 515 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,600 So from last year I wanted to create stuff that that feels 516 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,320 really wow, I'm really glad I got that. 517 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:49,280 But they're not very expensive. And also OK, if you pay, I don't 518 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,160 know, 150, two, $100, you're going to get something that's 519 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,440 going to be great. OK. 520 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,320 But can you get something that's great with 70? 521 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,000 I don't know. That was my idea. 522 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,720 So what I tried to do last year and this year again was to 523 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:14,440 create something that feels cool to have and and it's not very, 524 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,280 it's approachable, which is the the normal scene. 525 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,800 Which is a four size 68 pages color. 526 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,120 It has the unfolding cover that comes map and it's called, it's 527 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,600 going to be called printed the cover and all that. 528 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,440 So this, this is the entry point. 529 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,360 Of course there are the digital files for the all that, which 530 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,360 are of course cheaper. But Speaking of actual physical 531 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,200 products, it's the first scene, it's the scene and then the the 532 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,920 legacy version. With it's the two scenes 533 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,440 together. And they also, in the Legacy, 534 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:03,640 people can get a collection of postcards, which postcards from 535 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,560 the slam. And they have on one side, they 536 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,800 have illustrations of various scenes in place. 537 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,400 But in the backside, the idea is that there's a story. 538 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,640 So there's a story of the people who wrote that postcard and sent 539 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,880 it to somebody else. So these postcards, yeah, can 540 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,240 function as entry points for side stories, for stuff that DM 541 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,560 could expand on and create and, you know, something like that. 542 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:44,880 And then there's the the Luminary Edition. 543 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:52,680 The Luminaries are the highest costs in the store, and it has 544 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,320 what they has. The two zooms, the postcards and 545 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:02,440 it also has NPC cards because of course I wanted to make more 546 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,520 cards but I had created all I needed about the the mechanics 547 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,600 of the game. So this year I I will make a 548 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:17,440 deck of NPC characters, so you have the character, the 549 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,360 illustration of the character on one side and their information 550 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,920 on the back. And again, people can use them 551 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,840 from the for the stories. And in the end this is my pride 552 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,920 and joy for this campaign and I'm happy because people seem to 553 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,480 be excited about it. It's the most popular back here 554 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:50,480 in this until now most people have backed that and it's how do 555 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:56,360 I call it the collector's edition which has scavenger box. 556 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,240 It has a box that opens like a book the the, the lid. 557 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,080 It opens like that and then in in that you can put everything 558 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,800 from from this campaign and from the last if and the previous if 559 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,760 if you back that. So, yeah. 560 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,680 And that has also, yeah, we'll have another thing that I'm 561 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,960 really excited, it's the the pocket Guide to the labs, which 562 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,520 will be a mini book with about 200 pages of story and lore 563 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,800 about the what happens. The lapse is the, the phenomenon 564 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,000 that happened that sent the the earth towards the sun. 565 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,640 It was called the lapse. So yeah, it will have a lapse 566 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:55,200 and maybe you've seen it. For the first it was for 100 567 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,240 people and then OK, that went away. 568 00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:05,080 So now I have 100 more for the 1st 200 physical backers there 569 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,880 there will be free dice. Get some great peripherals on 570 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,720 this project. Like the cards are great, the 571 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,680 dice are great. I'm like, yeah, good. 572 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,440 It's good stuff. Yeah, yeah. 573 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,000 That's what happens when you have a good designer on the. 574 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,080 There you go. And I mean the the boxes. 575 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,320 People have boxes. I'll tell you one thing, if if 576 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,960 you're going to sell something to people that is in TTRPG, the 577 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,320 box is definitely going to be one of them. 578 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,840 So I'm not surprised at all that the The Scavenger box is the 579 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,160 most popular one. It looks gorgeous, but yeah, 580 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,360 being able to actually store your books and not having to 581 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,240 have them like all out is, is wonderful. 582 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,320 I think I have like 18 boxes back here to try to store it all 583 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,840 for a fraction of it. But yeah, the box is gorgeous. 584 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000 Like he said, everything beginning to end last year and 585 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,960 this year is absolutely gorgeous. 586 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:59,720 I didn't notice that you this is just for for like notice one, 587 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:05,040 notice two, like the new stuff. But you don't have the Dinde Red 588 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,120 like the Quick Start game or any of the stuff from last year on 589 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,080 this Kickstarter. So is that stuff still available 590 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,520 for people and where can they find that? 591 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:23,680 OK, from last year, I don't have the comic in this as an add on 592 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,760 and I don't have the map of newborn that was available last 593 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,760 year. But the tenants and moribus 594 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:39,360 cards are are available as add-ons because I'm going to 595 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,680 reprint them. I'm going to use the gold ink 596 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,320 for the tenants and then silver looks really cool. 597 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:54,400 Yeah. So what I haven't done, and I 598 00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:00,840 don't think I'm going to do around this time is to reprint 599 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,800 the quick start. Because the quick start it's 600 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:11,640 it's, it keeps being updated. I add stuff to it quite often. 601 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,400 So to print it and then people have to, you know buy it and 602 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,320 then go to check what's new on the PDF that I just uploaded. 603 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,800 It's not very practical. So that's that's not available. 604 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:34,960 But it is available in a way in in the websites didn't days 605 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,240 rates websites one can buy last year's collectors which is this. 606 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,440 And in that there is a copy of the original quick start. 607 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,800 It's not very useful because it has practically because it has 608 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,880 been updated, but it's you know, collectible because it was the 609 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,520 first version that was in a way. So when I close, when I close 610 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:05,880 the, the deal with Netflix for the the series, you know it 611 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,680 will, yeah. Well, I mean, and even even the 612 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,280 even when it comes in like that that envelope or that big, the 613 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,120 the thing that that comes in is gorgeous too. 614 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,400 Like there's not a part of this project that isn't designed to 615 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,680 the nines. And it's it's, it's great to 616 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,000 see, like the the, like I said, the consistency and the love and 617 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,960 the artistry really shines in every part of this. 618 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,200 Absolutely. And you know, sometimes, 619 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,120 sometimes you know, designers, they, because they love design 620 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,360 and they love to design stuff. We we create stuff just just to 621 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,840 please ourselves. You know, just to to say, oh 622 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,760 look, I I created this, Isn't this beautiful? 623 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,440 But because I know that sometimes we do that, what I try 624 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:57,800 to do very consciously is whatever I design on this game 625 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,280 to have some kind of connection, some kind of reason why it 626 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,000 exists. For example, this this is an 627 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:18,200 envelope that supposedly has in it a report that the 628 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:24,880 Superintendent of Faust district has created for the people to 629 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:35,240 pass into her superiors. So you have here this waxy seal 630 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:42,200 thing that I I made, which it it's supposed to be about the 631 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:47,480 4th echelon, which is the highest rank of the Luminaries. 632 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,320 So everything that's there, it's not just there to say, ah, 633 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,640 that's cool, it's there to be part of of the story. 634 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,960 Right. Yeah. 635 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,760 Yeah, yeah. But I mean, they can also still 636 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,520 be cool too, which is which is great. 637 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,840 So. Yeah, so, So the Kickstarter is 638 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,280 still going on right now. It's still got over 2 weeks left 639 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,320 in in dollars it's at 13,000 but in euros it's at like 12.2. 640 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,320 So it's funded, way funded, but it's still has two weeks, two 641 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,360 more weeks ago. I highly recommend everybody 642 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,800 that's listening to this go back that now where I know we just 643 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,840 talked about the previous collector's edition and stuff 644 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,200 like that. Where can people actually go to 645 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,520 find that? And where the current stuff will 646 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,880 be in the future? Like what? 647 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,360 What's what's your your website and end links where people can 648 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:44,720 find you? OK, the website it's dim day dot 649 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,200 red. That was the website. 650 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:55,440 So there people can find a lot more information about the 651 00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,440 project and it's various parts. And there is a NISSOP there 652 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,760 where they can buy last year's stuff and this year staff 653 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,960 eventually I expect to to go there as well. 654 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,840 But this year because last year staff were were created in a in 655 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,880 a smaller you know amount of copies. 656 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:28,800 This year I'm going for a larger production, so I'm I'm gonna try 657 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:36,200 and give this to shops and you know other place where people 658 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:39,400 can can buy. Gotcha, gotcha. 659 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,280 I mean again you have let well not a five year plan, you're 660 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,040 hoping to get it out sooner than that. 661 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,920 But I mean, obviously the Kickstarter is still 662 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,120 Kickstarting. People are loving the project. 663 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,520 And I can only expect as it keeps getting more and more and 664 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,560 more stuff for it, that'll just keep getting bigger and bigger. 665 00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,160 Because I mean, again, we've said this numerous times, but 666 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:06,240 the the obvious, like extreme amount of thought, care and 667 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:09,080 design that has gone into literally every single aspect 668 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,360 down to like the seals, the envelopes, like every aspect of 669 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,960 it, they shine so hard. Yeah, and it's such a there's 670 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,320 not anything that you can look at on this project where that 671 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,360 doesn't come through and it's really, it just makes you want 672 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,520 it, it makes you want to have it in your hands and play the game. 673 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,480 So. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 674 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:34,160 That's the thing that I'm trying also to do about the story, you 675 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,520 know, because the the visual in the presentation, OK, as I said 676 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,320 before it, it would be, you know, it would be something like 677 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,760 that. But the story, and because I 678 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,160 haven't been a writer or all of my life, you know, to have 679 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,560 either the audience or the experience from that, I'm trying 680 00:51:53,560 --> 00:52:00,640 really consciously to to show the same attention to detail as 681 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:07,720 I do to the stuff I design. So when I when I say, OK, one 682 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:12,120 thing that's very characteristic about the newborn and center 683 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,960 especially is cables. There are a lot of cables 684 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,160 everywhere because there are no electronics anymore. 685 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:26,880 There are no no airwaves, so everything that has to be moved 686 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,200 from one point to another either be information or electricity. 687 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:40,200 It has to do with cables. So I when I was thinking about 688 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:46,720 the main setting I knew that I wanted to be full of cables and 689 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,520 why are there no electronics because of the solar storms and 690 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,680 you know the magnetic fields. But I I've sit down and read 691 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,440 that the the first thing that gets affected for from solar 692 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,440 storms are cables you know so then the and stuff that ran 693 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,760 through them so that didn't you know, go very well. 694 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,880 Although I'm I'm not trying to be very scientific. 695 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,840 I I didn't, I don't want to leave stuff like that just to 696 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:25,920 you know, because I said it. So one detail is that did the 697 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,680 Didrix have the the monopoly of a specific element they have 698 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:38,120 created that insulates with cables and you know permits for 699 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:43,360 stuff to keep running in there despite the magnetic fields and 700 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,800 all that. So when I when I write 701 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,880 something, the first thing I'm doing, have you seen a movie, 702 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,880 especially the the, the more popular ones, the the 703 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,320 blockbusters when something happens, something you know 704 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:06,440 extraordinary and you say this couldn't happen because that and 705 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,560 that and you're thinking about that and you say, doesn't 706 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,680 anybody on this whole crew and this whole team of people who 707 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,960 made this movie, didn't anybody go and say, no, this wouldn't go 708 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,560 very well because that and that. So I'm trying to do this to 709 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:29,080 myself all the time and say, OK, you will have my cast. 710 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,560 Great. You want to have my cast? 711 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,440 How will they move? How will they be empowered? 712 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,200 Blah blah and all that. Because I'll tell you one thing 713 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,320 about teach RVG people is you will get people in your comments 714 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,520 going now. Well, actually the cables aren't 715 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,640 going to work that way. So yeah, it's good. 716 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,320 It's good to know that I. Got this in Reddit the other day 717 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,440 because I I posted them up and I said OK, this is the vertical 718 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,280 slam blah blah blah and all that. 719 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,200 And somebody of course, and good for them, came and said, OK, 720 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,160 what's the structural integrity of this thing? 721 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:12,000 You know, you can go 159 meters in the air just by putting huts 722 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:17,920 one over the other. And many times I hope I keep 723 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,200 doing that, I smile because I've thought of that. 724 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:26,000 And what happens with the Hotspur slum is that it's it's 725 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,920 created on an existing high rise building. 726 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,160 So there was a high rise there and then people start building 727 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:39,040 stuff and expanding around it like, you know, like a tumor 728 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:42,280 that expands on gotcha, it's there. 729 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,840 Yeah. So there's already a structure 730 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,960 that in place to kind of like just tack on to, yeah? 731 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,920 So when when people tell me stuff like that, and I've 732 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,760 thought of it, I've it feels really good because I've thought 733 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,240 of that. There you go. 734 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:56,680 Yeah, it's. Good. 735 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,760 Again, once again, just the consistency in the in the 736 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,520 attention to detail, it's crazy. We're super looking forward to 737 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,400 this project. I'm excited to see all what's 738 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,640 coming after this 'cause we know there's at least three more 739 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,760 coming after this as well. But Spiros, really appreciate 740 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,320 you being here and yeah, thanks coming to you and these kind of 741 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,480 projects are are are why we do this because getting able to see 742 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,360 how great it is. But to hear all of your thoughts 743 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,560 behind it and know that there's like 10 levels deeper to it, 744 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,880 it's been really great to hear. Yeah. 745 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,600 One thing that maybe may be interesting for some people is 746 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,320 that one other thing I've been doing with my life, with a lot 747 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,120 of years of my life, was I've been teaching. 748 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,920 It was something that it interests me since forever to 749 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,040 have some kind of information pass it along somebody else. 750 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:57,120 So I've spent a lot of years teaching design, but that's 751 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,400 something I also like to to do now. 752 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:05,520 And what I've done is that I have creating, I have created a 753 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:14,200 world building workshop where people come and we discuss about 754 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,920 ideas of how to create worlds and why these worlds matter and 755 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,680 all that. And I I also when I find the 756 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:30,640 chance like very much to transmit the experience I've got 757 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:37,080 from working on this project. Because being one guy with this 758 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,640 is a one man you know thing one man band. 759 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:47,840 I I visualize it. So when other people are 760 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,040 thinking of creating their own games or taking the game to the 761 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:57,920 next level or that, I'm happy to, you know, share whatever I 762 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,680 I've gathered so far. Nice. 763 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,720 Yeah. I mean, you know, the fact that 764 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,960 this is the first thing you did and it looks like this, clearly 765 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,680 you know what you're doing. So being able to pass that 766 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,480 information to other people would be a good thing. 767 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,120 But Spiros, again, the project looks fantastic and we really 768 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,440 appreciate you being here. For those listening right now, 769 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,640 thank you very much. You definitely wanna go to 770 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,160 Kickstarter back this, go to Damn Day dot Red and grab the 771 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,680 previous stuff while it's still available. 772 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,880 This is gonna keep coming out and it's gonna keep being great, 773 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,760 so it'd be a good idea to snag it now. 774 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,040 But seriously, Spiros, thank you so much for being here. 775 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,160 All the links will be in the descriptions of everything 776 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,640 below. We'll be able to get you to the 777 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,280 website, to the Kickstarter, everything, and then everyone 778 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,320 that's listening, you know all of our links at this point. 779 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,680 So that is gonna be the end for us today. 780 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,720 Again, thank you so much and everyone out there, thank you so 781 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:49,840 much for listening. Have a good day. 782 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:50,720 Bye.