1 00:00:15,220 --> 00:00:17,940 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,940 --> 00:00:21,380 My name is Ryan. And I'm Garrett Drader. 3 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:27,140 And I'm Jarrett Crader, this week's guest. 4 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,720 Guest, you are at this point a member of the show, Jerry, we've 5 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,880 only been doing this. I don't I don't know how we've 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,320 done this so long. And I don't remember what 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,120 episode. We're all maybe like 14. 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,080 I'm going to say maybe 15. 1415, something like that. 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,640 Yeah, it's something. Like that getting close, it's 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,360 crazy. Well, yeah, I guess that'd be 24 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,520 episodes, but I guess by time because we've kept a couple. 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,640 But this is in fact, you know, if Jerk is here, it's most 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,960 likely a not cat chat. So this is that Jerk. 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,120 Chats. This is the not cat chats. 15 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,720 No see no cats here. This is this is cap chat today. 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,640 We're all wearing. Our caps look at us with the 17 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,280 baseball. Did you get that 100? 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,680 Did you get that note? All right, so Jerk Crater, I 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,520 guess for those that have watched in the like 16 other 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,640 times that you've been here, who, who the heck is Jerk 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Crater? I am the co-owner along with my 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,400 wonderful partner Debbie of Space Penguin Inc. 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,920 We're a small press role-playing game publishing house that we 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:45,000 run out of our house here and we publish Liminal Horror and Karen 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,160 and Forbidden Psalm. We Co published Forbidden Psalm 26 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:55,480 with Will and all kinds of other titles and systems and modules, 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,200 primarily modules for existing systems and stuff like that. 28 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:05,880 So we've been around for about 3 years now going on four, I think 29 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,160 something like that. I don't know. 30 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,440 It's based on the number of tax returns I've done. 31 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,320 This is our third tax return. So we're in our fourth year. 32 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,480 There you go. Crazy to think about. 33 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,320 I remember talking to you before it's spacing was started, you 34 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,160 know? Really. 35 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,280 Yeah, yeah. Back in the day. 36 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:29,840 Yeah, in the way back times. How did we get going with like 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,840 not cat chats and stuff? I don't even remember at this 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,720 point how we even. It just became like a a thing. 39 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,320 Yeah, you just had a slot and a monthly thing because when I 40 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:47,640 was, when I worked at EFI, used to do Friday shows with Tony and 41 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:50,600 then we were going to try and keep that alive. 42 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,400 But then things went underground for a while and we didn't, we 43 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,120 didn't keep it up. So when you guys came along and 44 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,320 had me on the show, then you offered me a spot the next month 45 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:02,920 and then it just kind of rolled into there. 46 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,200 Yeah, there we go. Look at us. 47 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,520 And then we then we called it a name that I don't remember why 48 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,080 and we are not cat chats number. I wanted to call it Cat Chats 49 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,040 and Hunter wanted to call it Cat Chats and you wanted to call it 50 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,440 not Cat Chats because you don't like cat cats. 51 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:26,000 And since I run everything and make everything, I got to decide 52 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,800 what it was. Right now, we're getting there. 53 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,280 But we still, but we still call it cat chat. 54 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,920 Cat chats I'll show. At least I call it cat chats. 55 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,520 In my heart I call it cat chats. This is episode 19. 56 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,560 I don't know why I thought we were so far back. 57 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,160 So it is damn near 2 years of of doing this. 58 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,240 So 19 times we've done this and probably done have the same 59 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:53,000 jokes the same time every time. But but what, what, what's, 60 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,080 what's everybody been up to? What have what have you been? 61 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:01,800 What have you been doing? Back in January I went to Shim 62 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Con at my friend Doug's house, a little gaming retreat weekend 63 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:14,200 for a bunch of people and we played a bunch of card games and 64 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,959 board games and RPGs and just in general talked about games and 65 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:21,240 shit like that. It was a nice recharge. 66 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,840 So it was in. It was in the cold N but I 67 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,200 managed to survive through it so that was good. 68 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,200 What is? What is the cold N? 69 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,840 What is considered the Cold North? 70 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,080 Chicagoland. Oh yeah, it is cold N for sure. 71 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,120 Yeah, it's pretty cold. We'll say that Chicago is one of 72 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:49,040 those weird like hubs for some reason in teach RPGs. 73 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,160 Like I feel like Chicago and Philadelphia are for for random 74 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,840 reasons, just two of the biggest like hubs of teach RPG creators 75 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:58,040 and players and stuff out there. Yeah. 76 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,040 It's probably just the two larger cities when you think 77 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,800 about it up there. Like I noticed you didn't 78 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,560 include New York City in that though. 79 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,040 Because I quite. A few people from. 80 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,320 We don't believe in New York City. 81 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,560 We don't think it exactly exists. 82 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,360 It's like Australia, yeah. Actually, I didn't go to New 83 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,120 York. City. 84 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,400 No, I went to Brooklyn in January for the first time, 85 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,200 actually, which is funny because I did used to live outside of 86 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,240 Philadelphia, but I had never been in New York in like the 87 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,280 frigging 20 years I lived there. But no, I went to Brooklyn in 88 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,520 January, which is called Brooklyn and Manhattan and 89 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,840 stuff. But I don't know. 90 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:37,240 I guess I'm sure if you start naming people I would know. 91 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,160 But like every time I hear someone in the teach RBG space, 92 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,200 I feel like it's always Philadelphia or Chicago because 93 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,320 like LA does not have like I know there are people, but it's 94 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,400 not quite as numerous of people as as other places. 95 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,720 West Coast is just less teach RBG people, I think than a lot 96 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,400 of like the Midwest and and East Coast. 97 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,560 But, but I mean, you know everybody, so I'm sure you can 98 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,600 name somebody everywhere, but but as far as like every time I 99 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,680 hear where someone's from, I feel like there's a good shot 100 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,320 it's either Philadelphia or Chicago. 101 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Interesting. I've never in that area or 102 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,120 thought about that. So yeah, I always think of 103 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,520 people as the people who live in my computer. 104 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,520 Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't see 105 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,680 anybody ever. That's why I'm going to go to 106 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,440 like 5 cons this year just so I can see people again. 107 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,840 So what cons are you going to? Confirmed definite cons this 108 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:35,360 year. I'm going to Adepticon. 109 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,000 I'm going to I might go to 3D role play con. 110 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,160 I just got to get some days off. I got to ask that gym kind of 3D 111 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,800 role play con. I don't know how new or old it 112 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,440 is. It's it's a, it's like a 113 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,320 skirmish. It's like a skirmish war game, 114 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,360 like playing like Convention in Portland. 115 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,120 I don't know how long that's been going on, but I want to go. 116 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:03,560 Portland, OR or Portland, ME. Yeah, Portland, OR Yeah, what 117 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,120 else? Am I absolutely going to 118 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,160 Adepticon under the Dice Fest packs? 119 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,480 You. I feel like there's another one 120 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,120 I forgot and then I might go to What's up. 121 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,240 When were you in between two Cairns? 122 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,560 Oh, between two Cairns, We're going to go to that. 123 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,480 Are you going to that? No, unfortunately my travel 124 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,280 budget is pretty tight this year. 125 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,280 So sticking to the big ones that we usually do. 126 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,200 So that way we that way we can see the most. 127 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,400 People yeah, yeah. So I'm for sure 100% going to 128 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,560 Adepticon between two Cairns under the Dice Fest impacts you 129 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,680 and I might do Gen. Con 3D role play Con and I might 130 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:53,000 go to England if the Necropolis event is in my budget when it 131 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,880 decides to come out. So definitely going to four, 132 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,520 maybe going to seven. So but but we'll see. 133 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,240 Might do stuff with it too. Because when I went to Brooklyn 134 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,760 in January, it was for an event put on by Hot Head Collective 135 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,440 and I recorded it. So we may or may not turn that 136 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,960 into a video. So I was thinking about possibly 137 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,880 starting to do a little bit of at least chatting at some of the 138 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,520 cons and putting out small videos for some of the cons 139 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,360 throughout the year. So. 140 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,280 He's going to do like man on the street interviews where he just 141 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,800 randomly pulls people on conventions and ask them 142 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,720 questions, inane questions, you know? 143 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Yeah, super name ones for sure. But but yeah, now that I know 144 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,679 you're going to Gen. Con, maybe that's back on the 145 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:35,520 list. So we'll see. 146 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,360 Cool. Yeah, yeah. 147 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,280 We grabbed our Gen. Con badges though. 148 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,600 We'll definitely be there. And then I'm doing Gary Con next 149 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,920 month, which I'm looking forward to. 150 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,920 And then possibly packs and at the end of the year. 151 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,160 Got to go, got to go to packs. I mean, if I don't see you. 152 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:04,240 We skipped last year and we missed it, but we'll definitely 153 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,400 we'll definitely put it's definitely on the radar. 154 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,840 And then the one local one that we do that we actually get the 155 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:19,120 table at Quest Con Orlando that's in September, October. 156 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,800 So they haven't, I think they've finally announced their dates 157 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,800 and they're talking about a new venue. 158 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,240 So I think they've kind of outgrown the space that they 159 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,680 were in. So that's cool. 160 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Well, if I don't end up going to England, I'd have some free 161 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,520 time. Maybe I'll try to come down to 162 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,720 Orlando for Questcon. I think that'd be fun. 163 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,200 We can just stand in the booth and play Last War all day. 164 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,880 Bro I'm fucking down. That's that's the thing about 165 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,600 the cons too, is like one, it's actually fun to like work them a 166 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,760 lot of the time. Like I like talking about the 167 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,480 games that I like, which is kind of why we do the show. 168 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,640 But also getting to hang out with people is is really fun and 169 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,080 meeting a lot of people is really cool. 170 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,400 And if you stand in one spot, people will just come to you, 171 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:06,320 you know, which is nice. Yeah, that is pretty cool. 172 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,680 But but yeah, Hunter, are you doing anything besides PDX con 173 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:15,400 in between two Cairns? Actually, it's yeah. 174 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,720 By the way, it's between two cons is the name of the con. 175 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,720 No, maybe. I don't know. 176 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,520 Who knows? My life is in flux at all points 177 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,720 and I'm going, I'm. I'll be in school almost full 178 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,600 time in the fall. So it's hard to think it 179 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,520 conceptualize anything, you know? 180 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,440 Yeah, there's a little bit right, man. 181 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,720 The way my work works is I'd have my, my year of vacation, 182 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:47,200 I'd have submitted all the way through next March by the end of 183 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:53,040 January. So I had to plan out like 15 184 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,560 months in advance for time off and PTO and all that kind of 185 00:10:57,560 --> 00:10:59,760 stuff. So I had to conceptualize it. 186 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,400 I had to make it not abstract and get a bunch of people to 187 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,520 cover shifts and move stuff around or whatever. 188 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:11,040 So we'll, we'll see. Yeah, it's ridiculous that 189 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,840 that's how it works, especially because I wanted to go to a 190 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,560 Depticon this year and I, I kind of forgot. 191 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,720 And then when I saw when the tickets went on sale, they were 192 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,120 for the end of March, which means I needed to plan my PTO 193 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,200 for that last January. So that was fun trying to get 194 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,800 like 6 days covered, you know, two months before it's going to 195 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:28,280 happen. But. 196 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,240 But Collins would be cool. I mean, I live in nowhere and 197 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,560 see nobody. So if once every other month I 198 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,680 can actually go see human beings that I enjoy, that would be that 199 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:40,880 would be a fun year. So we'll we'll get around to to 200 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,080 that. Anything else any do we got 201 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,920 anything else going on guys or is this is this our lives? 202 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,040 I'm prepping to run Wolves upon the Coast next month. 203 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,160 Anyone cares about that? So you know, I've run solo 204 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,600 before and I'm I'm fleshing everything out to make it easier 205 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,280 to use at the table using the Obsidian app. 206 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,600 Which big shout out Ryan for showing me that app. 207 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,240 It's incredibly useful. It's a good time. 208 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,520 I wish actually did enough work on anything to take notes in it. 209 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,960 That would be cool, but alas, I'm not. 210 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,160 That's cool. I mean, we've talked about I. 211 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Was going to say I'm playing in a couple of OD and D games right 212 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:28,240 now and one of them this morning we had a damn near TPK. 213 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,000 We lost half the party. Cool. 214 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:37,000 Fighting some giant centipedes we had just we we were on a 215 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,440 there was only three of us and three hirelings and we decided 216 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,160 to go down into their dungeon and rolled a random encounter 217 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,000 and it damn near kicked our asses. 218 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,240 So. But now we have centipedes that 219 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:56,040 we can extract venom from. So oh oh, is that a game with 220 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,520 John Davis? Yes. 221 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,400 He says hate. I missed that session with jerk 222 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,640 John. Goddamnit. 223 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,640 Everybody stepped in today and we lost half the party. 224 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,400 It's all right. John, it's your fault. 225 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,840 It's your fault. They lost half the party dude. 226 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:21,480 That to me is part of the fun of of OD and D is just that like so 227 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,760 you drop the character, so you picked up another character. 228 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,640 I picked up one of the higher links and she too went down. 229 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,480 So I was, it was just like boom, you know, 2 for one. 230 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,560 I lost 2 characters today but like now I've got another one 231 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,920 so. There you go. 232 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,800 I still have yet to actually get OD and D and I played around 233 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:46,160 with a little bit of like solo stuff with OD and D, but I've 234 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,720 not actually got to sit at a table and play OD and D1 day. 235 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,040 I got the what? What's it called? 236 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,280 They it there's, I mean, of course there's a million hacks 237 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,520 and things and stuff like that, but there's one that is like 238 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,920 kind of the one that people use delving deeper. 239 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,240 Is that what I'm thinking of? Is that like kind of like 240 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:07,840 perfect then? Yeah, I have that. 241 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,520 I've got all that stuff and I know that Chaocalypse has so 242 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,640 much stuff out with like like talked about playing and does a 243 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,480 lot of stuff with some solo stuff with OD and D, so that's 244 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,360 always fun to to play around with so. 245 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,640 Yeah, Chow. Chow's shit about OD and D is 246 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,160 pretty good. Yeah, yeah. 247 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,120 And I haven't played anything in forever. 248 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,600 That's not true. We've been skirmishing. 249 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,440 We've been skirmishing a lot. Hunter and I played Necropolis 250 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,120 for Hunter's first game the other day. 251 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,400 And such a good game. You. 252 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,320 Guys play on TTS. Yeah, we did. 253 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,240 Yeah. Nice, yeah. 254 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,800 Did that take an exceedingly long time to set up? 255 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,480 Not really, I mean when I've gotten pretty decent at building 256 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,640 maps so I just have to whip up a map and then playing. 257 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,920 The only thing that sucks is kind of like, and then I can't 258 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:01,480 really think of a way that they can make it easier. 259 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,880 But going multi level is difficult with like auto raising 260 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,480 or turning off auto raising and stuff. 261 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,320 Like if you're trying to like walk up a plank that's like 262 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,320 between one level and two levels, it's damn near possible. 263 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,360 So we just like measure it and then just drop it. 264 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,880 But I have so many different maps set up for so many 265 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,240 different games. If anyone wanted to play 266 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,720 something it would take 2 seconds to hop in and and just 267 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,120 run some stuff so. That's really cool, yeah. 268 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,200 We got to hop in and we got to hop out and skirmish jerk. 269 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,280 I mean, I'd be down to get some free time. 270 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,200 That would be pretty great. I had some free time the other 271 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,960 night at like 8:00 PM and I was just like, what am I going to do 272 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,360 with myself? And I asked if there was anybody 273 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,080 running a game and no one responded. 274 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,120 I don't know. It's just like, oh. 275 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,760 If you said 8 AMI probably would have been around, but 8:00 PM is 276 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,440 pretty much a no go for me any day. 277 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,120 But seriously, Necropolis Cauldron. 278 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,640 What else we rent to Mech 28? We're setting up for some Flames 279 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,840 of Orion. Still want to run Scum? 280 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,560 Got some other small stuff working. 281 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,080 I got my game that I've played like a million times. 282 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,200 I don't need to finish up. Nice. 283 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,160 So yeah, anytime you want to, anytime you want to play 284 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,520 anything, you just hit me up. Hell yeah, we'll figure out a 285 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,120 time. We'll figure something out, 286 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,880 yeah. So what are we talking about 287 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:22,240 from Space Penguin Inc today? Last month's new release slash. 288 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:28,520 This month's new releases Hang the DJ by Reese Carter for 289 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,520 Cyborg. Nice. 290 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:37,800 So, yeah, it's a fully fleshed out little location, like city 291 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:45,520 area with like, food, food stands and a pawn shop and bars 292 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,200 and nightclubs and stuff like that for you to run this really 293 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:56,160 great little heist in and commit a commit a crime or two or 294 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,440 three. And yeah, really great art by 295 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,160 Tony Tran throughout that sucker. 296 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,760 Did I send you the PDF, Ryan? Were you able to pull it up? 297 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,400 I got it. It is right there. 298 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,800 Nice, very nice. So. 299 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,760 Yeah, I really like because obviously it's Hang the DJ and 300 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,359 so there's a DJ involved and I really like the Hang the DJ 301 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,240 playlist in the front cover. Yeah, that's good stuff. 302 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,480 Reese has good taste in music, so. 303 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,880 Yeah, got some a lot of names I've never heard before, so I'm 304 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,960 definitely going to make this playlist and listen to it. 305 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,760 Well, it's because he's from the upside down. 306 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,760 He's he's Australian. Yeah, he's out there in the Rise 307 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,000 A. Lot of those bands might not be 308 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,760 actual bands. Oh, interesting. 309 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,320 I mean, no, they are. They are actual bands. 310 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,320 But in the sense, like in the US, they aren't right. 311 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:58,320 Right, right. Well, I mean, if Australia is 312 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,280 not real, the music from there is not real, so can't. 313 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:08,680 Argue against that. You know, Designed by Golden 314 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,280 Achiever, you know. Who always does excellent work. 315 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,080 Between you guys between between golden Achiever and between die 316 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,920 sugars, I think Space Penguin as a company probably is the best 317 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:27,400 graphic design and like layout of TTRBGS at period like that's 318 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,520 I can't think of two people who do more better consistent work 319 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,800 than than than Golden Achiever and and die sugars. 320 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,320 So nice. And what's? 321 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,000 Interesting too is. I was going to give a shout out 322 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,440 on editing to Nicole Renner who did the editing on this one. 323 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,520 So is that something that you've worked with a lot before? 324 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,480 No, this is someone that Reese brought on board. 325 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,280 So usually I'm in the editing chair, but I was unfortunately 326 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,040 unable to do this one. I'm also unfamiliar with Cyborg 327 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:06,160 as a system, so it's one, it's one of the systems out there 328 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,560 that I didn't edit, that I didn't work directly on, so I'm 329 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,640 unfamiliar with it. So for those playing along at 330 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:18,200 home, I've edited a lot of systems and stuff like that over 331 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,520 the years. And I tend to be better making 332 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,280 third party supplements and supplements for those systems if 333 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,240 I worked in them. So which is not to say I haven't 334 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,440 edited some stuff that I've never played, but it's a 335 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,520 different kind of editing when I do that. 336 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,920 So it's a different, not kind of editing, it's a different form 337 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,960 of editing. That's a better way to say that. 338 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,200 So is it more like copy editing then than like dev editing? 339 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,680 Yes, it's not, it's not, it's not. 340 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:58,040 I'm not necessarily 100% on on board with knowing the insurance 341 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,200 and outs of the whole system. So I usually find that out to 342 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:07,720 somebody else so or someone else does it in addition to me so. 343 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Because the last thing I want to do is screw up rules. 344 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,720 I already screw up enough rules. So. 345 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,280 So do I at the table, but luckily no one knows so I just. 346 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,080 Keep going, you know. Right, go. 347 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,680 If you end up putting out a bunch more Cyborg stuff, are you 348 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,360 going to sit down and flip through Cyborg? 349 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:32,200 Yeah, I will definitely have to. Yeah, I have my all of the 350 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,360 Cyborg in the Borg. This is the Borg section from 351 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,720 from A to B here. Like a drinking game for the 352 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,600 show or for our channel could be every time Ryan points to his 353 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,520 his massive bookshelf. You, you have to drink, you 354 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,520 know? For all you people that drink 355 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:55,720 it, usually 10 AM on a Friday, I turn our show into a yeah, but I 356 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,600 got, I got. Well, I mean, so this is the 357 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,120 Merkborg stuff that's out. And then because of the amount 358 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,600 of Merkborg stuff that exists, I probably got about four more 359 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:09,920 boxes of it in my closet. But yeah, Cyborg, I mean, a lot 360 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,120 of people do stuff for Cyborg, but obviously I think Merkborg 361 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:16,800 is always going to have more, more stuff than than Cyborg is 362 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,440 Cyborg. Speaks to me in a way that I 363 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,960 really, I really feel though, because it's so relatable, you 364 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,120 know? Yeah. 365 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:33,080 Attack dystopia like populated by criminal, like massive 366 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,840 corporations that take advantage of people and like, oh, that 367 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,160 feels really close to my experience, like my lived truth, 368 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,560 you know? Yeah, well, and Rule 0 is always 369 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:50,120 a good rule to live by in life. So do you remember Rule 0? 370 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,120 I don't, no, I was going to slide, but no, I don't. 371 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,400 No rule 0 as far as I remember. It's rule zero. 372 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,320 Rule one. It's you can't have sympathy for 373 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,240 the Corp or the cops. So yeah. 374 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,240 Yeah, so I like a good cyberpunk game where you can't be the bad 375 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,520 guys in that context, which is always fun. 376 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:18,760 But but yeah, you know, that's it's really interesting thinking 377 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:24,360 about cyberpunk stuff in the context of like when it came out 378 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:26,960 versus like what actually happened, Because when you think 379 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:35,440 of like, have you guys played a lot of cyberpunk like the like 380 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,600 the actual game? Noble. 381 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,240 Red narrow mancer. So yeah. 382 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,200 Yes, and I have Red, Darrow, Mancer and most of Gibson's 383 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,560 stuff. I've actually not read 384 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,800 Neuromancer or any of Gibson stuff. 385 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,120 It's insane. Yeah. 386 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,240 Yeah. It's on the list, but when you 387 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,920 think about stuff like like Johnny Mnemonic and you know, 388 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,800 the cyber, you know, cyberpunk games, all that kind of stuff, 389 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:04,160 what what it looks like versus where it's at is really 390 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,360 interesting. Because I always found like, I 391 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:12,240 feel like we are much closer to like that weird 80s sci-fi than 392 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,560 anything cyberpunk in that. Like there might be cool 393 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,680 technology out there, but it's mostly broken and garbage. 394 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,080 So that's that's the future that I see is like people are like, 395 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,240 we're going to get like desks that you can just drag stuff on. 396 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,520 But I'm like, yeah, but in real life it would be fucking broken. 397 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,120 And it would probably be Gorilla Glass. 398 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:37,880 It'd be chipped on the corner and stuff like I don't know, but 399 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,840 but yeah. So that's hang the DJ from Reese 400 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,000 Carter. Have you put out a bunch of 401 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,680 stuff from from Reese? I feel like their name is 402 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:52,720 numerous times. So I've worked with him on, we 403 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,880 published distress signals, which is a bunch of ships for 404 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,360 mothership with, with like it's got like the ship floor plan and 405 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:08,000 then things like that. And then also when I was with 406 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:13,080 EF, we published Dead in the Water, which is a really good 407 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,480 ship boat thing that's like a pretty solid intro adventure 408 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,120 that a lot of people like. And then Reese has been around 409 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:27,440 for a while, like a very long while and helps in the 410 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,760 background of a lot of projects, like does a lot of third party 411 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,240 mothership stuff. So work does stuff for over, 412 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,520 under and dissident whispers and stuff like that. 413 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,720 So he's been around for quite a while. 414 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,280 So isn't it whispers? Is so cool. 415 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,040 It'd be cool to get another one of these. 416 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,280 Yeah. Yeah, well, it's a great cover. 417 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:06,040 Yeah, Jabari killed it. An anthology of 58 original RPG 418 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,160 adventures made by diverse international collective of 419 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,240 creators in support of the Black Lives Matter movement. 420 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,600 All proceeds go towards bail funds. 421 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,480 Yeah, it'd be dumped to get something like this. 422 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,200 And, you know, for the, for the next like, horrifying thing that 423 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,520 our country is doing to itself. Well, seeing as how we're 424 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,240 constantly and the next horrifying thing each weekday, 425 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,720 it seems like I don't know if there's enough time to catch up, 426 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,040 you know? It could be a monthly magazine, 427 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,000 yeah. But it's done with one the next 428 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:42,320 horror is going to pop up so. That book took, I would think it 429 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:52,960 was like 146 people, seven days to complete, 120 page book start 430 00:25:52,960 --> 00:26:01,440 to finish. Crazy man, you would think. 431 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,080 I'm not going to never mind. That can be an off. 432 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,880 That can be an off conversation, you would think. 433 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,720 And yet you. Would one one you could say, one 434 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,840 could think. Yeah, one should think, one 435 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,320 could think, but does one think? What else? 436 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,440 What else is Space Penguin cooking right now? 437 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,920 I know. I think this is the release for 438 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,120 the month, but there's other stuff that I that's been popping 439 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,520 up that I've been seeing. We've talked about it briefly. 440 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,440 Yeah, so Ink Vein, which is a mega dungeon from work Borg is 441 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,960 going to crowdfunding next month. 442 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,080 That one's going to be a big 200 plus page book written and 443 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,400 designed by Merck Dice, Luke Saunders and Lynn Lindsay Died 444 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,200 Coat and they're just kicking ass on it. 445 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,960 That's going to be it's going to be so really, really pretty. 446 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,360 I'm excited to share a bunch more art and stuff from it as we 447 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,840 go and possibly another excerpt from it. 448 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,240 Yeah, we've been hitting the advertisements and things like 449 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,560 that and getting some numbers up so we can get some people doing 450 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,400 it. So that one goes live in March 451 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,600 and then so I'm currently editing the doing the 452 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,840 proofreading pass on the Luminal Ward Deluxe edition. 453 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,280 So that was so. Excited for that? 454 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:32,840 That was a big book, 460 pages. So I'm on page 350, so getting 455 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,280 there go. So I'm going to work a little 456 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,720 bit, little bit longer tonight after I finished talking with 457 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,120 you guys, but I'm not going to burn myself out on it. 458 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,640 That's one of the tricks with these bigger books is like you 459 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,760 can't, you can't just do it all in like 2 days of cramming it in 460 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,600 there. You've got, you've got to break 461 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,560 it up over days and give your, your brain time to regain some 462 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,120 sponginess. That way you're not you're not 463 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,360 missing anything. Yeah, we get kind of anonymous 464 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,000 after a while. Just try to bang something out 465 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,360 that large and like a condensed time frame. 466 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,360 I would need to walk away and like touch grass occasionally. 467 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,160 Today we I finished up my proofreading pass on bombs 468 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,240 bursting in air, which it was our mothership month module. 469 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,680 So that'll be going to print probably this week unless 470 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,560 anything drastic needs to happen. 471 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,160 I don't think so. So that'll be in people's hands 472 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,360 pretty quickly, which I'm pretty happy about. 473 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,600 And we'll be able to talk about that when it gets closer to 474 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,480 hitting the street date. And I think so I think those are 475 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,760 our two big outstanding ones. And then we've got some plans 476 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,320 for some stuff coming up later in the year, but we're not at 477 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,400 liberty to discuss most of those yet. 478 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,560 So we're trying, trying to keep some, trying to keep some 479 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,840 secrets so as to mediate disappointments. 480 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,080 You know, we don't want, we don't want to say we're going to 481 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,520 do something and not do it if, if the timing is not right, you 482 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,800 know, like so. Makes sense. 483 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,880 That's why we stopped announcing what games we were going to 484 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,040 review because half the time we would just cancel or move the 485 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,200 episode. So you get it when you get it, 486 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,680 but that's cool. Another busy. 487 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,000 I know this is not the beginning of your year in the way that 488 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,240 like taxes and and the anniversary started, but sounds 489 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,640 like 2026 beginning to end is going to be just as busy if not 490 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,000 more so than 2025. Yep, pretty much. 491 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,480 Nice it is anything on Kickstarter or backer kit? 492 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,640 It'll be on backer kit. Backer kit? 493 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,680 Do you mostly just do backer kit only now or? 494 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,120 The only Kickstarter we did was Karen. 495 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,600 We'll probably do something larger if something comes along 496 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,440 on Kickstarter. I just like the tools that I 497 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:06,520 have access to on Backer kit being both platforms have their 498 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,480 drawbacks and their their pluses and their minuses. 499 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,960 But I really just like I know people who work at backer kit, 500 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,400 you know, when I see them at advance, they know who I am and 501 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,280 they know my projects and things like that. 502 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,000 They're not. It's not just like I honestly 503 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,080 never met anyone who worked for Kickstarter. 504 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360 I've never received an e-mail from anyone who works at 505 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,400 Kickstarter games and been like hi, I don't know you but you ran 506 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,280 1/4 of $1,000,000 on our platform. 507 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,480 It matters because it doesn't matter, because RPG games still 508 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,160 don't make that much prior to what you know, the big tech 509 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,200 stuff that moves on KS. So like you need a you need a 510 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,680 new battery powered water cooler that also charges your car. 511 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,960 You know, I mean, I know the guy, the new CEO or whatever is 512 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,400 like all over blue sky trying to pretend that their company isn't 513 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,480 what it is, but you know, it is what it is and an ink vein. 514 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,560 So you can I'm going to drop I'll make sure the link below so 515 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,400 you can grab the, you know, do the thing with aggregate where 516 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,080 you pledge the thing and then you get info about before the 517 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,000 thing starts. But there. 518 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,160 Is if you sign up for it you get the the free 20 page quick 519 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,280 starter or 24 page kick starter however big of it is. 520 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,800 Oh, you mean this one right here that I just pulled up? 521 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:39,640 Yeah, marked Space Penguin. Yeah, and it is on at least my 522 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,320 screen. It's 22 pages plus the R20 stop. 523 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,960 So yeah, it yeah. So you can check out Inkvane 524 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,720 before it even starts and it looks dope. 525 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,000 When I backed it, I grabbed the quick starter and it's somewhere 526 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,240 deep in my download, so I just snagged it again. 527 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,520 But but it looks, you know, just as good as you would expect all 528 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,680 of the the space Penguin ink stuff to go. 529 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,880 But do you do when you want to talk about Inkvane, you want to 530 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,880 talk about that a lot more when the campaigns actually kicking? 531 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,800 Probably next month, yeah, we'll do that. 532 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,160 Cool, cool, cool, cool. So for those listening, you can 533 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,960 definitely go check out the quick start and get a little 534 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,200 preview before we give you a little preview next month. 535 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,880 But oh, I did. I did drop the link in chat, so 536 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,480 you're welcome past me for remembering to do that. 537 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,840 So. So yeah. 538 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,560 So what else? What else we got cooking that 539 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,280 you're allowed to talk about? I mean, every month we're 540 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,840 talking, you know, Alumina Horror Deluxe is getting inch 541 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,360 and inch and inch closer. Is there any other quick 542 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,240 Kickstarter back with kids crowdfunding that's on the on 543 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,360 the horizon that you're allowed to talk about after ink thing? 544 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,800 Nothing, nothing yet. So we've got one. 545 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,280 We've got one that's in the works for the end of the year 546 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920 where I'm just waiting till I can devote a little bit more 547 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,680 time to it, to the planning stages to actually make sure 548 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,040 that it's good to go before saying hi. 549 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,040 We're going to do this thing and this is the time that we're 550 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,080 going to do these things because when you started, when you set 551 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,320 that time, you need to try to hit that time. 552 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:17,720 So we're we're a little bit late on Liminal Horror Deluxe because 553 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:23,040 the book got bigger, which I'm hoping everyone's really happy 554 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,480 with. I think everyone's going to be 555 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,240 wonderfully impressed. Like I'm going through the book 556 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,880 right now and checking out final proofreading on everything in 557 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,320 post layout and everything's looking really good and crisp 558 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,240 and clean. And this is the sort of this is 559 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:43,280 the sort of book where it's going to be, it's going to do 560 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,960 exactly what it's supposed to do. 561 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,920 Whereas investigators, if you just want to pick up a couple 562 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,960 copies of investigators, you can pick it up and run a rules like 563 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,760 horror game, but this one actually has, you know, campaign 564 00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:00,160 frameworks and things like that and, and, and a bunch of extra 565 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,040 material, new material inside it, new adventures and stuff 566 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,640 like that. So like 3, it's got three, it's 567 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080 got 3 modules inside it, so. Nice. 568 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,840 I was trying to see if I had anything in reach that was even 569 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,000 close to luminal horror. This is half the size of luminal 570 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,239 horror. So for those with the context 571 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,760 out there, it is literally double as big as this book. 572 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,600 This this thick book is. And it's a 6 by 9 too, right? 573 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,840 Like it's probably going to be this size. 574 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,800 Yeah, that's a beef. That's a that's a beefy. 575 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,560 That's a you could kill someone with that book. 576 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,639 Hey, I might. Hey. 577 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,719 You know, there you go, Luminal horror adventure. 578 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,480 The book kills you, but. I mean, there you go. 579 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,440 Very excited for that. Yeah. 580 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,080 I mean, you guys are consistently, I can't think of a 581 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,280 project you guys have ever put out that was late enough to make 582 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,239 me go, ha, that's kind of late. We were. 583 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:57,200 We were one month and 18 days late on Karen and I. 584 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,160 I hated that. I find that annoying because I 585 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,520 thought that I did my due diligence with setting the time 586 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,120 out because you can set the time out and work to stick to a plan 587 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,560 and do it. Like it's possible to do it. 588 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,960 You're going to run into stuff, but you just pack in time to so 589 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,320 that you can run into stuff. So. 590 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,040 If only everyone thought like you did, maybe, you know, half 591 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,040 that would be great. You know, if things don't end up 592 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,520 years late. That's always a risk on 593 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,880 Kickstarter though, or or any of the back kit projects. 594 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,040 But I mean, you know, we talk about all the time, like you 595 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,640 give a shit about what you do, not just a shit, all the shit 596 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,920 and have a lot of pride in not only what you do, but how you do 597 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,560 it and how it gets done and and and people's experience with it, 598 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,440 which is really, really fantastic. 599 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,040 You know, and I'm not, you know, everybody feels the same way or 600 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,080 everybody has the I don't know, it's it's even not even that 601 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,320 they feel the way, but like the drive to actually accomplish it 602 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,440 almost every single time that you guys have, which is really 603 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,680 fantastic. So like the fact that liminal 604 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,280 horrors like a little bit late because it's become bigger and 605 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,240 better and whatever is I mean, when you build yourself enough 606 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,840 goodwill in that way, I feel like that's, you know, when 607 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,360 something does end up late, inevitably, I'm sure in the, you 608 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,720 know, the decades that you guys are going to do this. 609 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,280 Like I feel like that's a lot different than someone who 610 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,720 consistently puts out a project and it's just like late every 611 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:26,560 single time. I feel like that's when you get 612 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,160 a lot more super backers being like. 613 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,680 Is it dead? Is it dead? 614 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,000 Is. This project dead, where's my 615 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,520 refund? You know, so you know, and 616 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,480 another reason. If it's a few months late, I 617 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,000 don't care. You know, if it's, if it's three 618 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,440 years late, I'm like, OK, you know. 619 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,520 No, but, but again, that's not what you guys do and it's 620 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,760 another reason. Like that's just one more thing, 621 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,160 one more reason that we have you on the show consistently every 622 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,520 month of like all the, the stuff, you know, it's like 623 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,400 another reason that we like, enjoy and respect Space Penguin 624 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,000 Inc and you and, and everything. So I mean, there's a reason that 625 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,640 we don't really talk to any other publishers out there. 626 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,080 And I think it's because you guys, realistically, I think the 627 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,440 Space Penguin is, is what you can hold up as like if you're 628 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,040 starting a company or like making stuff for putting it out. 629 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,880 I think Space Penguin is kind of like the model in my view to to 630 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,840 try to emulate aspects of and again, that's you know, that's 631 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,760 why we always have you on the show. 632 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,880 We don't just like you as a person, but like as a company. 633 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,920 You guys are great, so. Thanks. 634 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,160 Yeah, we try our best. Like I usually get to customer 635 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,920 service emails within 24 hours, 48 over the weekend and stuff 636 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,280 like that. I try to maintain a decent work 637 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:49,640 life balance and stuff. But yeah, I I just try and do 638 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:55,480 the work like I would like, like I want to like, I'd like the 639 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,920 work to be done to me, I guess, if that makes sense. 640 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,960 Yeah, so the golden rule we were all taught as a kid and then 641 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,960 everyone just fucking forgot it, apparently. 642 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,640 Of course it's how it should be. You know, like if you were 643 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,840 pledging for the project, how would you want that experience 644 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,320 to go? And then just working towards 645 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,160 that, it's a way to get it done right? 646 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,880 But you know, it is what it is. Like I said, I mean, living a 647 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,320 horror is not even. It's not even that late, is it? 648 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,440 Quote UN quote late. It's going to be a couple months 649 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,080 late by the time it gets out. Yeah, who cares? 650 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,000 I was going to say I don't even remember it's late until like 651 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,640 well after the six month mark and I only like check for 652 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,880 updates when I get to about the year mark as far as like 653 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,240 Kickstarter and backer kit go. So that's, but it's, you know, 654 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:40,320 it's always good to hear that no matter how many times it 655 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,680 happens, if you're one month late, you're still annoyed like 656 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,960 that. That's what you want from your 657 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,200 publishers and stuff. You know, like it's when people 658 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,360 like whatever it was only month late, that's when you're like, 659 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,280 that's a slippery slope. You get on there, kiddo. 660 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,480 But yeah, we were, we were hoping to be in physical 661 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,800 fulfillment in quarter one, but it's going to be more like 662 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,320 quarter 2. So it's again, we'll be a couple 663 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,760 minutes late, couple minutes late, a couple of months late. 664 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,080 Yeah, not a big deal, especially God, a 460 page book. 665 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,680 I'm, you know, check go watch basically every episode we've 666 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,360 done for the past like 6 months and get a little teaser on on 667 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,640 liminal horror. But when we when you showed off 668 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:25,520 the the new cover of the limited edition one can't wait to have 669 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,240 that in hand. I don't know, I'm going to have 670 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,240 to empty like. The shelf? 671 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:32,320 Did I show you guys the physical of it? 672 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,920 I don't. Know I. 673 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,000 Don't remember. Let me grab this show. 674 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,480 Us anyway. Show us because we we can't 675 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,920 remember what the episode number is every single month, even 676 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,560 though we do it in in order. We definitely don't remember. 677 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,880 I think maybe, but man it looks great. 678 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,040 Great. So it's. 679 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,280 All shiny pretty bitching spine. Yeah. 680 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,520 And then nothing on the back. Just leave it like like. 681 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,240 There you go, not. No barcode or anything like 682 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,440 that. So that's beautiful. 683 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,160 No, no sales tax. It's just here's your tone, you 684 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,200 know, that's what you get, so. Love that 2. 685 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,320 Two questions, is there a quote UN quote regular version of 686 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,320 that? Was there like a non special or 687 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,400 is the deluxe always that deluxe version? 688 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,800 No there. So there's the other version 689 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,280 with the four pictures that. Yeah, I read that's what, A4 690 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,880 portraits, Yeah. But then this one is a special 691 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,120 one inspired by time, life, Mysteries of the Unknown book 692 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,560 series and stuff like that. And so Zach did his best, best 693 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,000 homage to that like and made it all really cool and pretty. 694 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,800 Now is that black or is that a dark Navy blue? 695 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,040 It's black. Nice. 696 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,440 Nice. Yeah, nice. 697 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:45,920 I don't know why my mind every time I thought of the mock up, I 698 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,840 always thought of it as like a dark Navy blue. 699 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,720 But obviously, you know, black is the way to go with most 700 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,960 things. Yeah, that looks sick. 701 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,800 Cannot wait. And it's 460 beefy pages, which 702 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:58,880 is that's. Going to be a big one. 703 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,600 Beefy. Insane. 704 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,120 But you said three adventures. I mean, we've talked about it. 705 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,280 I mean, we've had again, for those who want more in liminal 706 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,520 horror stuff, Josh has actually come on the show and given a 707 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,880 breakdown of everything that's going to be in the book with 708 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,880 like a presentation and everything that you can go back 709 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,280 and watch. And I'm very excited for all the 710 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,320 tools and whatnot to actually actually play the game. 711 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,440 So it's just crazy what liminal horror has become because I 712 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,920 remember just snagging the original Zine way back in the 713 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:32,240 day and now we're here talking about the 460 page fancy, you 714 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,960 know, limited deluxe black and silver cover stuff. 715 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,320 I don't know. It's it's awesome and it can 716 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,920 happen to better people than Goblin Archives and and Josh. 717 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,720 The best of the area is my favorite part because not only 718 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,680 is there a big best of the area, the catalog of the strange that 719 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,160 details like all that weird shit, right? 720 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:58,640 There's also more scenario specific best theories that go 721 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,760 along with the actual models themselves that are in there. 722 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,280 So yeah, there's a shit there's a shit ton of monsters you can. 723 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,720 I'm not saying you could never run out of monsters, but you'll 724 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,720 get the idea for building of how to build your own monsters like 725 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,680 pretty quickly. You know, what I'm really 726 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,720 excited for is like 6 months after that book is physically in 727 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,880 people's hands. The influx of third party stuff 728 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,240 that we're going to get for it because the, with the tools that 729 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:35,040 are in there tonight only like you said, like Obesiary, but how 730 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,600 to make your own monsters, All of the information on how to 731 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,160 like write your own adventures and stuff for it. 732 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,000 There's going to, I think like there's going to be so much 733 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,480 stuff for it. And that is going to be a really 734 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,400 cool, you know, we'll we'll get living a horror month eventually 735 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,760 down the road and they'll get one of the 12 that exists, but 736 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,000 being much deserved. I mean, Goblin Archives is is an 737 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,040 incredible person and and Josh is great and I can't think of a 738 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,440 better match made in heaven than those two in you so. 739 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,440 And hey, listen, you know, if you want to learn how to maybe 740 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,920 adapt like a mystery into like a liminal horror adventure, we 741 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,160 have a video for that in channel. 742 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,440 Yeah, I forget half the videos that we do. 743 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:15,080 Like people will be like, oh, you did this. 744 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,160 I'm like, oh, that's cool, I'm glad we did that. 745 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:25,360 But but yeah, anything else cooking with SPI or are we going 746 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,960 to save anything else for for next month? 747 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,280 We should schedule next month soon too. 748 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,880 I think we should save it for next month because next month 749 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,040 we'll be Harry Con and launching Ink Vein and so we'll cover Ink 750 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:45,320 Vein and Dungeons of Galore and the rest of the monthly on 751 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,160 catalog. I got to look, I got to look, 752 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,160 hang on real quick. I got to look and see what 753 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,160 happens after I can tell you titles. 754 00:43:52,280 --> 00:44:06,960 Oops, I'm in the wrong. So there was hang the DJ Galora 755 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:14,720 is coming up and even gets, which is a cool new skirmish 756 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,440 system. So rules light made by a guy 757 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,120 named Liam Toner and he had his kids be as play testers. 758 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,840 So it's definitely going to be one that you can pick up and 759 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,120 play with adults, playing games with their kids and teaching the 760 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,840 kids how to play these skirmish games. 761 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,240 It's not in any way, shape or form aimed at kids. 762 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,720 It's just aimed at simplified rules to make it easy to play. 763 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,880 So it's going to be pretty neat. It makes use of a scatter dye, 764 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:54,600 which that here's to show how little knowledge I have outside 765 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,600 skirmish, outside of like Forbidden Solomon, things like 766 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,440 that. And like Necromunda. 767 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,760 I didn't know what a scatter die was. 768 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,360 I had to purchase a scatter die. I've just never, I've never 769 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,520 played a game that had one of them in there, So there. 770 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,160 You go. Well, I mean, that means A, you 771 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,280 got to start skirmishing more with us and B, we are leaning 772 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,840 way heavier into skirmish lately. 773 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:25,240 So it's cool to see more skirmish stuff on, on the, on 774 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:27,480 the space Penguin catalog. So excited for that. 775 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,320 And we've talked about this a bunch of times. 776 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,480 I don't remember last time we talked about it, but games that 777 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,520 can be played by kids but are fun for adults are some of the 778 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,440 best games because I mean, we're I know I'm of an age where like 779 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,840 I could have had kids and they'd be old enough to play RPGs. 780 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,560 So, you know, like Mao straighter, for example, is such 781 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,000 a great game because no matter how old you are, you can have 782 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,120 the kind of fun you want to have with it, which is which is 783 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,400 really neat. So a skirmish game that is 784 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,800 actually simplified enough that, like, kids could pick it up and 785 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,120 play it sounds dope. Because that just means that 786 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,800 it's not too complicated to play it anytime you want to just pick 787 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,640 it up and run it and, you know, not have your brain had to be on 788 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,840 110% to get all of your 80 guys in rank in five. 789 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,840 I'm moving in the same direction, you know, So cool. 790 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,640 Excited for that. Yeah, fuck you. 791 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,680 I got to play third edition Warhammer Fantasy the other day, 792 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,680 rank and file with only like 16 guys. 793 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,600 And man, I, I still can't imagine playing something that 794 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,280 takes like 80 dudes. We're moving in units and stuff. 795 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,000 But I'll get there eventually. So yeah. 796 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,840 You probably will. Yeah, I mean, I have all the 797 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,560 pieces together to put my Night Lords Horse NFC 3.0 army 798 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,840 together. I just have to finally get it 799 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,800 done. But we'll get there eventually. 800 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,760 But. But yeah, so then we'll say that 801 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:48,760 for next month. That'll be episode 19 of Space 802 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,080 Penguin Inc, not Cat Chats here on the show. 803 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,560 Yeah. Andy is who I'm supposed to say 804 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,400 whore is here to stay with. And he's like, do it, get it 805 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,320 done. I'm trying, Andy. 806 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,200 I'm trying. And he's sort of in Raven Guard. 807 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:01,440 So. So we'll get there eventually. 808 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640 But jerk, always a pleasure. Thank you for being here. 809 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,520 Thank you for coming on. We'll have to schedule next 810 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,560 month in between Gary Con and Adepticon and things we can talk 811 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,960 about this stuff. So all. 812 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,680 The cons. All the cons can't wait. 813 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,360 Cool. Thanks for having me on as 814 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,160 always, I appreciate it. Pleasure, of course. 815 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,400 We'll always have space banging on as long as you want to be 816 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,760 here. You'll always get mostly monthly 817 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,320 episodes of Not Cat Chats for those out there. 818 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,520 Thank you all for listening. Go check out Hang the DJ, snag 819 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,880 it, get some new Cyberboard Cyborg stuff, and we'll see you 820 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,040 next month. Bye. 821 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:39,440 Bye.