1 00:00:15,010 --> 00:00:17,010 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,010 --> 00:00:20,650 My name is Ryan and with me today we have a bunch of special 3 00:00:20,650 --> 00:00:22,170 guests. We have Robbie, Tyler, and 4 00:00:22,170 --> 00:00:24,090 Kelsey. How are you all doing today? 5 00:00:25,570 --> 00:00:27,050 Hello. Doing well. 6 00:00:27,050 --> 00:00:28,050 Doing well. Great. 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,920 Thumbs up from Kelsey for all the people in podcast land since 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,800 it's a podcast. But yeah. 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,840 So how's it going? We're good, Everyone's good, 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,600 We're good. So you guys are Gossamer Coast. 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,400 So who who? Let's let's go left to right. 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,440 We got Robbie Tyler then Kelsey, what is Gossamer Coast? 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,360 What is your guys each? What do you do with it and what 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,720 might people know some of your stuff for here in the the TTRPG 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:05,120 space? So Gossamer Coast started out as 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,720 Glass Cutter and that was like 10 years ago or so. 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,840 Me and Tyler used to make a lot of comics together and I would 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,920 do the drawings and he would do the writings. 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,920 And then like 4 years ago or something like that we 5 five 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,320 years ago we started doing more TTRPG stuff and only a few years 21 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:24,360 ago we switched to Gossamer Coast. 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:31,160 But our first project that we did was Glimmers Rim, but copy 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,920 of it. Oh, this isn't like a home print 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,240 copy, but that's what that looks like. 25 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,680 But we did it for as. Which scene quest was it? 26 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,080 I don't know which one. One is like 2021. 27 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,560 Yeah. And then good one. 28 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:50,320 Yeah. It was great. 29 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:56,720 And we were a lot more successful with that than we had 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,600 ever been making comics. And it's like, oh, people like, 31 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,560 we can like make tools for people to use instead of like a 32 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,920 thing that is trying to, like, entertain them. 33 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,000 And that it just seemed it seemed a lot more fruitful. 34 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,160 And that was, yeah, it just, we've been doing TTRPG stuff 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:24,560 since then as Gossamer Coast. But you you kinda was where the 36 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,240 name came from though. Yeah, yeah, that's just the name 37 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,160 of of the home crew world that we play in. 38 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,400 But yeah, Robbie kind of hit all the notes on on on Gossamer 39 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,760 Coast stuff. Glimmers. 40 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,360 If anyone knows me from anything, it's Glimmers. 41 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,480 Room. Probably we have some other 42 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,480 short adventures. I have a stack of all the stuff 43 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,080 that I got from Jen Connor from you guys. 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,680 It literally just in the other room. 45 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,680 But I run back and forth so many times. 46 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,120 I'm going to maybe on a break. So that's, that's Gossamer Coast 47 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:54,680 and stuff. But where? 48 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,080 So so where does where Kelsey? Where do you fit into all of 49 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:05,760 this? Yeah, so I met Robbie and Tyler 50 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,280 like fall to like 2019 and then started dating Robbie a few 51 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,560 months after that. It was actually like our one 52 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,760 year anniversary where I remember we took a little 53 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,880 weekend trip and Tyler called Robbie like part way through to 54 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,240 be like, yeah, our project got funded and that was pretty 55 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,480 special. We were also snowed into a hotel 56 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,360 and it was a very poorly planned trip. 57 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,960 But anyway, so I didn't wasn't really all that involved until 58 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,440 after they had like finished like making glimmers ram and 59 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,720 we're doing the like fulfillment stuff. 60 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,920 I was just like a lot of envelopes to to stuff. 61 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,480 I think that y'all need some help. 62 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,720 And so I just kind of started doing like odds and ends kind of 63 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,680 stuff. I love tabling. 64 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,800 Like I, I was a Girl Scout. I sold cookies and I don't get 65 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,400 to do that anymore because now I'm an adult. 66 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:08,440 So I started tabling with Ravi more and like selling art in our 67 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,480 books. And then just over time it 68 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,960 became more. But it's like I'll just, I'll 69 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,120 just join for real for real and it'll make some things easier. 70 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,240 When, when Kelsey started tabling, like our sales went up 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,880 like 800%. Like it was like we would do 72 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,160 farmers markets and stuff and she'd be calling fools like from 73 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,840 the other side of the sidewalk that were just like looking at a 74 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:34,840 tree or whatever. And she'd be like, hey, we got 75 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:38,400 like D&D related stuff because no one knows what like TTRPTS 76 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,440 are. And people would just come over 77 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,760 and then like buy a lot of stuff. 78 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:47,200 And it's it's very, very magical to have Kelsey on board with. 79 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,600 That well, I mean, that's always good to have. 80 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,320 If you have artist, you have writer and you have like 81 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,640 basically the John Bottom of like everything else, you know, 82 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:02,160 that's that's a great a great person to have on the team. 83 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,360 You already held up Glimmers run. 84 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,880 You have a lot of stuff you've already done as a group. 85 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,440 Most of it is system agnostic adventures. 86 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:20,400 What was the kind of impetus to to, I guess, start with or do 87 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:32,000 mostly that kind of stuff? It was the, so it just started 88 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,360 with Glimmer's Rim and it was the idea that came to me at the 89 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,400 time was just to do a system agnostic adventure. 90 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,600 That was the thing I was interested in pursuing. 91 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:46,920 I wanted to make a a hex crawl that was, had smaller hexes and 92 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,040 was more focused so that it was you were, you were always 93 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,880 maximalizing the amount of content you had available to 94 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,720 pull up, pull on whenever, wherever you were. 95 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,280 And once we made one, it was just kind of easy to make a few 96 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:05,120 more. But I am I love general game 97 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,840 design stuff and I am very excited that we are starting to 98 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:11,960 do stuff that is not just system agnostic adventure things. 99 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,440 More systems, more small weird games. 100 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,120 The the original pitch for Glimmer's rim was as like a kind 101 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,960 of a stopgap thing, but it kind of ballooned out. 102 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,480 It is, it can absolutely like be its own little mini almost 103 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,920 campaign setting to a degree. But that the idea is like, 104 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,160 you're running a game and then like some folks find a ship and 105 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,280 I think it's literally happened to Tyler. 106 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:40,120 One DND thing. They're like, yeah, we just want 107 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,880 to like hide on that ship to see where that goes. 108 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,080 And you're just like, OK, well, I guess fuck my whole world 109 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,000 then. So the idea is like, you can 110 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,680 pull this off the shelf and then you have something that can be 111 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,520 as long, as short or short as you want. 112 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:59,320 And Kelsey was the project lead on Candleberry, which was the 113 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:04,760 next thing that came out. And she kind of, she wrote, she 114 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,400 wrote that. So I don't know if you want to 115 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,280 talk about that, Kelsey. Sure. 116 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:19,000 Yeah, that one we I had talked to someone at PAX and they were 117 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,040 like yeah, we got this like small convention coming up 118 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,480 called game face can be in Baltimore like y'all should come 119 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,480 table and we were looking at the stuff we normally table with 120 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,560 we're like we want some new things. 121 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,200 We have two months. It's probably enough time. 122 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,600 And we learned that we don't do stuff quickly. 123 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:45,400 But around the same time, it for better or for worse, I got 124 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,680 COVID. And so I was like quarantining 125 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,560 in my room, and I was real bored. 126 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,280 And at the time, I was working on this campaign for saving 127 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,640 Philadelphia's Chinatown. There's this whole, like, 128 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,280 predatory development situation happening. 129 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,200 And there was a big coalition that I got to work and be a part 130 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,480 of to oppose it. And so, like, while I was stuck 131 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,640 in my room with COVID, I was just like, reflecting on the 132 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,640 feelings I had about that campaign, like the things I want 133 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,400 people to like, know and feel about, like Tory development. 134 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,160 And then I kind of like, spun that into some, like, Jewish 135 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,800 folklore. And yeah, that was that was 136 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,520 Candleberry GM. Awesome. 137 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,000 Do you now, I mean, I guess less, less Kelsey, but do you 138 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,559 guys think that your comic background moving over into 139 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:43,640 teach RPGs? What kind of things do you pull 140 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,240 from that into that? Because I to me, I think it 141 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,720 seems like a relatively to me, it made sense that you started 142 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,000 kind of started with adventures because you were kind of writing 143 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,040 like worlds and and everything before. 144 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,080 Is that, did that make it an easy transition or what kind of 145 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,240 stuff did you pull from that into into games? 146 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,560 On the writing side of things, I mean, it is fairly different 147 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:11,280 because you're having to focus on not building like a with 148 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,640 comics, it's all about like cut every inch of fat and make the 149 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,560 plot. Only the plot that matters is 150 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:18,320 happening or whatever. And that's like the kind of the 151 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,200 opposite of what you want going on an adventure. 152 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,520 But I do think that our comic background makes it really easy 153 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:30,840 to like have conversations about illustrations because art needs 154 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,680 a reason to be there in A and a thing behind us. 155 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:37,520 And I like an A moment to it. And it's we had a lot of 156 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,960 practice making in comics. Make sure like every panel was 157 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,160 like telling the thing that needed to be told. 158 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,040 And that's a pretty good translation over like spot 159 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,120 illustrations and even like, you know, like spread illustrations. 160 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:59,360 Yeah, for for me, it's definitely like page design and 161 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,320 like how a page, how, how a section of a, of a, of a page 162 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,440 like relates to itself and then how that section relates to the 163 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,640 page and then how that page relates to the spread. 164 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,600 Like all that stuff is, is very much like hard baked into my 165 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,080 brain. So like thinking about like 166 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:25,560 composition and path of the eye and you know, really the biggest 167 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:29,920 like if, if there's one kind of central, central concept 168 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,560 aesthetically is, is they're both all about like controlling 169 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:38,040 and managing some, some of its focus. 170 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,560 That's that's probably the big one, aesthetically at least. 171 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,280 Gotcha. And you guys talked about 172 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,080 tabling obviously. So you're, you're an incredible 173 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,160 artist, Robbie. You're it's if anyone that has 174 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,040 not seen Robbie's stuff, I'll make sure the links are down 175 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,560 below. But that's the first thing that 176 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,600 caught my eye was your art. It's crazy. 177 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,160 And what's funny is when we were talking at Gen. 178 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,520 Connor, we'll talk about Gen. Connor in a second. 179 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,360 You said that you're mostly like black and white, but the color 180 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,520 that you put in things like Canterbury Jam or even like 181 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,440 Hinch Light, we'll bring that cover up in a second. 182 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,680 It's it's crazy. It is so vibrant and like color 183 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:18,880 soaked. It's kind of shocking that you 184 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,200 say you mostly do black and white, but so you guys table a 185 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,320 lot. And I know I've met you guys 186 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,600 first at PAX, don't know if you remember that. 187 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:35,480 But then we met again at Gen. Con and what I guess about 188 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:40,400 tabling what was obviously PAX you is in Philadelphia. 189 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,360 You guys are, you know, big Philadelphia people, you know, 190 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:50,960 go Philly, but how long have you guys been doing like conventions 191 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,360 versus, like you said, you're doing like tabling at farmers 192 00:11:54,360 --> 00:12:01,600 markets and things like that? So me and Robbie have been 193 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:07,360 tabling since we are in like college for me, maybe high 194 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,720 school for you. No, no, I went to college for 195 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,120 you. So yeah, but for comic stuff in 196 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,480 like small like tri-state regional conventions in like the 197 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:24,920 Memphis, TN area, but. Yeah. 198 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,800 Yeah, it was, this was not until we started doing TTRPG 199 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,560 conventions that we really were started selling anything to any 200 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:35,720 real degree. And I don't know you'll open to 201 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,200 in farmers markets for what? We did it a lot. 202 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,920 We did it at farmers markets a lot like one year and then a 203 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,720 little bit the next year and then we haven't done like any 204 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,880 this year, but that that's been pretty cool. 205 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,240 Other than farmers market stuff, we did like a RIN fair and then 206 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,240 we did Game Face in Baltimore twice. 207 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,480 Convention. And then you also did. 208 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,160 That very odd pancake event. Sure. 209 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,360 Oh. Yeah. 210 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,440 Yeah, that was like a yeah, that was that was an art show where 211 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,480 you could sell like prints and stuff like that. 212 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,480 But we had our TTRPGS. So yeah, we've as far as like 213 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,520 actual gaming conventions. We try a lot of stuff out, but. 214 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,400 Yeah, you could. Like you could. 215 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,720 You would. You only need one hand to count 216 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,880 the amount of actual gaming conventions that we've done. 217 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:33,360 But other kinds of conventions, a smattering, A smattering, and 218 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,720 they're always kind of oddball to a degree. 219 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,080 Something that has been kind of fun for me because I hope 220 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:45,040 Tabling is we've started to get to lend a hand to plus one Exp 221 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,200 when they need like extra people to table. 222 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:52,120 And so I got to join their booth for PAX and Plug last year. 223 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,920 We helped out a bit with too many games out in like Oaks, and 224 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:03,880 then this coming January we're actually going to have our own 225 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,600 table at a page, the Philly Area Gaming Expo. 226 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,480 That's cool. And you guys obviously were at 227 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:10,960 Gen. Con. 228 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,120 That's when we kind of chatted a lot. 229 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,560 Was that your first Gen. Con for all of you guys? 230 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,560 That was our first Gen. Con, yes. 231 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:19,960 What thought? What do you? 232 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,760 What do you? What were your thoughts on Gen. 233 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,960 Con? It was quite overwhelming and 234 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,440 everyone we spoke to said, yeah, it's less overwhelming than most 235 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,240 years, so I really don't know what to say about that, but it 236 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,800 was pretty intense. I tell you what though, going 237 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:39,960 into it we thought it was going to be like a literal nightmare. 238 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,200 I thought it was going to have like a panic attack from the way 239 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,320 they described the crowds, but just the scope of it was in in a 240 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,000 different way, kind of like intense we. 241 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:56,240 We talked a bit about, we talked to Charlie first, Avery for for 242 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,960 a bit about it and he was just like, yeah, it is. 243 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,880 It is an absolute nightmare. And he really like he really 244 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,400 hyped it up. We really hyped it up to be 245 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,040 extremely bad. But yeah, so after going, we 246 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,880 were like, yeah, no, this is a lot, but it's like not crazy. 247 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,240 Also, see, I don't think we saw the whole thing. 248 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,200 We. Spent a lot of time in, like, 249 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,760 the main room and then halfway through, I was trying to find 250 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,840 something and I was asking one of the, like, people who worked 251 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,680 there, where would I go for this thing? 252 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,720 And they're like, yeah, that's a whole another building. 253 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,920 And that blew my mind. And then we looked at the map 254 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,840 and there was a whole lot of buildings that we just did not 255 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,280 step foot into. So maybe it was like less 256 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,720 overwhelming to us because we like narrowed down what we were 257 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,400 like willing to entertain, but like, I don't know. 258 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,520 We were also there a very short amount of time too. 259 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,880 Yeah, only like a couple days, 2 days. 260 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,600 Yeah, yeah, generally I I liked it though it. 261 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,640 Was fun. That was dope, yeah. 262 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,040 Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, it was interesting. 263 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,280 Anyone that listens to the podcast regularly, this will be 264 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,120 like the fourth time you're going to hear about Gen. 265 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,120 Con, but you're welcome. Indianapolis is very clean, but 266 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,120 I, I heard the same thing that like that it was going to be so 267 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,280 bad, so packed, so like everything. 268 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,600 And I also, I literally did nothing except for the 269 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,960 exhibition hall and PAX was my first con. 270 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,800 This was my second con. And for those that don't know, 271 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,720 the entire, the exhibition hall, just that alone at Gen. 272 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,400 Con is as big as all of PAX. And then there's the entire rest 273 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,040 of the Convention Center and the football stadium next to it that 274 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,520 is very full, which I didn't realize it was that big. 275 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,760 It's like 80,000 people a day. So I very much found the build, 276 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,600 the door that was the closest to the exhibition hall and just 277 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,840 went in and out that every day and did nothing else. 278 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,320 But it wasn't, I thought like walking around PAX was a lot 279 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,400 worse. Like there were times where I 280 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,160 was literally crushed at PAX and Gen. 281 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,080 Con. I was like the very wide 282 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,240 hallways the size of. The of the hallways is nice and. 283 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,640 Yeah, yeah, it was, It was interesting, Yeah. 284 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,480 And I don't know if I'll ever do it again because I feel like 285 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,040 maybe it would have been worse if I had tried to go to like the 286 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,240 football stadium or like the LARP stuff in the basement or 287 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,720 any of that. But. 288 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:14,880 But it was cool. It was fun. 289 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,440 Got to see and meet a lot of people, which is really nice. 290 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,920 Got to go out and about in, in Indianapolis, which is really 291 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,440 cool. Talked to you 3 a lot. 292 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,440 I probably talked to you guys more than just about anybody 293 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,920 except for the booth that I was actually working at. 294 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:34,240 So, so that was fun and then and then I harangued you into 295 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,640 eventually coming onto the show and that's that's how we got to 296 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:42,000 where we are now. So what you have coming up 297 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,960 though is Hinterlight, which is your next project, and I think I 298 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,880 could be wrong. This is, is this the first part 299 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,400 you guys are doing that isn't an adventure. 300 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,880 This is actually a a system that you guys are making and and 301 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:00,320 doing more right? We have, I have exactly 1 tiny 302 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,720 game system that I made before this. 303 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,480 It is just like a little bitty spooky Halloween ritual I made. 304 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,960 Yeah, it's a trifold. There you go. 305 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,160 But yeah, this is the first real kind of get a big boy thing that 306 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,880 that we've tried to do. It's like a silly, I said silly, 307 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,680 silly. It's, it's, it's fun. 308 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,320 It's like a little Lyrica game. It's. 309 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,080 Like a 5 minute little game. It's like kind of a little 310 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,880 challenge that you do that involves a live flame that is, 311 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:37,160 yeah, it's a it's a fun time. Yeah. 312 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:42,840 But yeah, Henry Lights is something that also started life 313 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:49,480 as a trifold, what, 2-3 years ago now? 314 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,960 I was, I had an idea to like have like a little thing where 315 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,520 AGM could like throw together kind of a ridiculously 316 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,840 complicated like fairy court hierarchy thing. 317 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,600 I was like, that would be a fun little thing to do for the same 318 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,040 Game Face that Kelsey was making Candleberry for. 319 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,360 I was trying to do that. It's quickly ballooned into a 320 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:16,200 larger thing. And then as once Game Face is 321 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,480 over and we wanted to try to make it a real book, we were 322 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,920 just fiddling the space. And the more we talked and the 323 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,320 more we tried stuff, the more it felt like something. 324 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,240 It was much more enjoyable as a way for a whole group of people 325 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,840 to be collaborative and make a world together than it is for 326 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:38,200 like one person to try and like prepare a game. 327 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:45,120 And that, yeah, that is the the the road that we've been on for 328 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,800 I guess like a year now since since that point. 329 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,880 I'm just like trying to make this sort of collaborative 330 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,080 ritual world building thing as good as it can be. 331 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,920 Yeah, I spent, we've been working on it over a year, but 332 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,800 this is what it what it used to be it it was called cryptarchy. 333 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,840 We sold it at game face. Tyler did it all all himself. 334 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:11,600 I just did like the cover and. Yeah, it was cool. 335 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,640 And then we all got our fingers up in it and that's yeah been 336 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,800 the been the last year. And although we like kind of 337 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,240 delineated a lot of like rules earlier in what we do for 338 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,960 Gossamer Coast, there are a lot of a lot of days where it is 339 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,680 just us kind of riders room brainstorming, throwing stuff 340 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,640 around, filling out tables together. 341 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,200 I sometimes like to call this tables the game because it's a 342 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,960 lot of tables. That's the whole, the whole gist 343 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,000 is about like interpreting tables or at least for the first 344 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,920 part of it, the ritual part. And so yeah, it is just a blast, 345 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,440 like hanging out on the couch trying to come up with the 346 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,840 weirdest shit we can to put on on these tables. 347 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,400 They has been kind of the journey of Henterlite so far. 348 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,240 It must be nice to have three people kind of work on a project 349 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,040 too, because at any point anyone can jump in and you have at 350 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,320 least one person bounce off and one person to test with. 351 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,080 So like I can imagine there's like a rotation of that between 352 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,400 you 3. We definitely do a lot of 353 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,800 bouncing around and talking to each other, being each other. 354 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,520 Springboards for sure, yeah. We did a lot we've we've play 355 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,240 tested this a lot of times in a row at a lot of iterations of 356 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,440 it. This is maybe like the 8th 357 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,800 iteration of the game, honestly. And it does say something that 358 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,280 every time I start play testing, I'm like, fuck, this is going to 359 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,680 be like a couple of hours and it's going to, I guess let's 360 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,800 just like get this over with. And then after 10 minutes I'm 361 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,200 like, Oh yeah. And then I'm like, I look so 362 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,840 invested in like into it. And I'm like, oh, I did forget. 363 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,640 This is like fun. So that's a good sign. 364 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,280 I mean, yeah, you most, I mean most games should be fun in some 365 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,080 way, shape or form, even if not being fun is the fun part. 366 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,560 But so, so I have, I have it, I have the quick chart up here and 367 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,800 there's links to that that will be where links are on the 368 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,160 Internet and available. But so what's, so what's the 369 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,080 pitch? What is? 370 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:17,720 What is Hinterley? The Yeah, Elevator pitch is that 371 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,760 Hinterlight is a collaborative world building, a game where you 372 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:31,280 and your friends come together. You build a band of ludicrously 373 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:40,480 gloomy gothic Victorian jerks, and you tell the story of how 374 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,880 you died in this fairy forest and then cast the ritual of your 375 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,200 resurrection and bond into the surface of these service of the 376 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,440 noble fae who rule over that forest. 377 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,760 And then that is a thing that can be taken forward into like 378 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,600 more standards TTRPG role play. And one of you can become a 379 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:08,280 guide and sort of build a campaign that is following your 380 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,320 adventures in service to these these noble fairy. 381 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,600 It's really neat. I like the world building to 382 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,120 start a game kind of thing like different, but in the same kind 383 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,240 of vein is like microscope and things like that where you can 384 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,040 collaborate to to to do a thing making like dying and then 385 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,600 basically working for like noble Faye is a pretty cool way to go. 386 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,240 Love a game where you start by dying. 387 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:37,360 So mechanically, how how to you know, we've heard lots of 388 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:40,080 tables, apparently. How does the game work? 389 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,120 Absolutely. So the the world building game, 390 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:50,960 all of the tables are purely there to make every version of 391 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,000 the the dwell, which is the name of the forest that the fairy 392 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,960 live in. You need to the table. 393 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,440 And the whole idea is that you are using cards to build this 394 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,120 pattern on the table and you're going to be revealing them and 395 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:06,240 playing cards on top of cards that get these prompts that are 396 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:12,080 hopefully very evocative and vague enough that you can 397 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,800 instill some of your own thoughts into them. 398 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,920 And if they can spark ideas. And the table as a whole 399 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,400 brainstorms within this sort of bounded experience that we have 400 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,320 set up to allow the thing that you get at the end to be a 401 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,680 useful workable like adventure space. 402 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:39,400 So the the book is basically just there to make sure that you 403 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,880 goofing off and talking with your friends about a spooky kind 404 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:51,200 of silly fae world makes sense once you get to the end of it. 405 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,040 Gotcha. And the book is broken up into I 406 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,440 believe it's four different psalms. 407 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,400 How do the Psalms kind of work with the the game? 408 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,480 It it seems it's like the IT is the game. 409 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,800 So. So how does that kind of tie in? 410 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,680 Yeah, the the metaphor there is that the, the, the spell of your 411 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,680 resurrection is a song that these fairy are singing and 412 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,280 having you sort of singing with them. 413 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,200 And the first Psalm is all about you. 414 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,920 And you, you're, you sort of getting sort of the information 415 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,360 you could get from like looking at a dead body lying at A at a 416 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,560 fairies table and sort of figuring out who you were before 417 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,240 you came to the Faye, the fairy lands, this other world. 418 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,920 And the second Psalm is all about building this forest where 419 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,400 you died. And then the third part is 420 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,920 building the, the Manor, the estate where you are resurrected 421 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,840 by the noble Faye. And the little coda in fourth 422 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,000 section is about the the absent crown from whose power you've 423 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,200 been resurrected. But they're like the the ruler 424 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,360 of this fair, these fairy that has been gone. 425 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,560 And it's a big mystery that you can sort of have as the central 426 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,240 core thing to your campaign, if you'd like it to be. 427 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,680 And then what you don't have in the quick starts would then be a 428 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:16,800 further section where one of the players for the ritual, their 429 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,080 character is sacrificed to the to the spell and they become the 430 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,440 guide. And there's tools that let them 431 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,160 use what you've made in the game and expand it into adventurable 432 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,160 content with things that the the other place, the carrot at the 433 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,720 table did not, you know, know at the time. 434 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,400 But it makes it as easy as you can make it to prep, you know, 435 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,880 two or three adventure locations before a first campaign and 436 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,400 have, like, a little mystery for them to figure out in the 437 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,160 courts. The court of the fairy. 438 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,720 Yeah. That's it. 439 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,320 Yeah, I mean it sounds awesome. Again, I love I'm an edge Lord 440 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,960 piece of shit. So any game, like I said, when 441 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,640 you start by dying and then you know, you have all section on 442 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,440 like just figuring out who what your body is. 443 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,080 I mean, you got me already. You sent me Robbie, you sent me 444 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,720 a a spread before we started the stream. 445 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,640 So talk to me about this this in this incredible page again. 446 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,640 What I what I was saying before with like your color and and and 447 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,240 everything. This is incredible. 448 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,680 So what? What is this spread? 449 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,840 Thank you. So this is supposed to be a mock 450 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,720 up of the when the quick start is timber. 451 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,600 We're there's going to be some some adjustments for the for the 452 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,840 final version, but and this version is called Firth instead 453 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,360 of temper, which I is like a old school word. 454 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,200 Yeah, it's like a narcanic word for yeah, like a like a 455 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,760 woodland. Yeah. 456 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,720 And So what, what we really wanted to do was have this vibe 457 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,800 of like the, the, the first thing we thought about is it is 458 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,280 it'd be cool to do like a big illustrative manuscript and make 459 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,280 it like very diegetic. So it looks like you're looking 460 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,320 to like A2 an old tome. But then more recently we were 461 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,160 like, fuck that. What if, what if we just did 462 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:19,120 like a like a just a top down like table of like what the 463 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:23,800 fairy like the, the, the whole setting for the game is kind of 464 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,960 like dead adventures, just face down, like all corpsed out and 465 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,960 dead sprawling on this table where there is this freaky evil 466 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,440 fairy dude, evil freaky, whatever that is, like doing 467 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,440 this spell. So we were like, yeah, what if 468 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,640 we could What if the whole thing is just we're trying to see what 469 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,280 that table looks like. And so we can have like the 470 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,040 pattern for the playing cards that you play on, that you play 471 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,200 on like carved into the table. And then like, let's get some 472 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,320 like scrying stuff. So we, I try to do like a mirror 473 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,760 type of thing where the first thing is like like the game, the 474 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,320 game is played or the at least in the beginning, the rituals, 475 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,640 it's very much like you get, you flip over and interpret this 476 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,600 playing card that is the initial thing that the game like gives 477 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,760 you. And you're like, oh, OK, what 478 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,040 does that look like? And then players play on that 479 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,360 card And so so the the first one would be like that reveal with 480 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,360 that's like on the mirror because you're like revealing, 481 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,640 flipping over the cards, it's on the pattern. 482 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,320 And then the second card is claim. 483 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,680 So that's whenever a player plays on that. 484 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,880 And so for that I tried to go for like kind of a messed up 485 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,960 like field notebook looking thing because it's kind of like 486 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,840 what the player is adding to the spell. 487 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,240 And then and then we have this little doll for Mark your 488 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,480 effigy. And that is like you talk about 489 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,560 being an edge word piece of shit. 490 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,840 This is a great opportunity for that where at like after every 491 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,440 round you just really just talk about how your guy got fucked up 492 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,600 like and psychologically, metaphysically, physically could 493 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,560 be very literal. And so the game is just like, 494 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,400 it's like, how cool can you make your desk kind of, or how like a 495 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,280 weird or crazy can you do it? And so we thought it'd be fun to 496 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,720 like have these assets that we can we can play with throughout 497 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,040 the game where like we can have this little effigy effigy doll 498 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,400 that's like slowly, it's like coming apart on over each 499 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680 spread. Or, you know, we can see like 500 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,320 the the hand that says disgust up there. 501 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,400 Like those are kind of like help helpful prompts. 502 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,400 If you're kind of like want something to kind of like get 503 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,000 the juices going everywhere that says disgust is that's kind of 504 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,360 what that's for. And that's supposed to be like 505 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,040 the hand one of the dead guys laying on the table. 506 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,960 So it's like maybe that gets more messed up. 507 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,640 Maybe the field notebook gets bloodier, whatever. 508 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,320 And then we have this kind of UI thing at the bottom that is like 509 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,040 on the bottom. The bottom left is like this 510 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,320 pick list kind of thing. That's like, yeah, here's just 511 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,400 like an example of us basically doing this. 512 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,800 And then on the right, it's like this is supposed to tell you 513 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,600 what section of the book that you're in. 514 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,200 So the first little symbol there is character creation. 515 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,320 It's it's, it's your, your effigy. 516 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,160 The second one is like the Psalm, the first Psalm. 517 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,320 That's the little ritual with chanting and what have you that 518 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,840 like begins the thing. And then the third one is, is 519 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,000 the one that this is depicting where it's like you choose 520 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,920 either what in a quick start, what's what basically is most of 521 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,640 most of the quick start, which is like denizens, terrain and 522 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:01,000 timber. And in this one, we let folks 523 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,840 like choose choose what they want to do between the three. 524 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,960 And then as the book progresses, the tapestry will continue to 525 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,160 like weave together. And then we'll see more like 526 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,960 symbols that kind of notate where we are in the book, which 527 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,200 all that was Tyler's idea. The little tapestry thing. 528 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,720 I'm like, so no idea. Let's let's do it. 529 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,600 Let's see what we can do. So yeah, that's basically. 530 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,960 Oh, yeah. And then for the first, like I, 531 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,760 I tried to have like a wood coming up splintering through 532 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,000 the table to look like, you know, that's where we're at. 533 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,160 Maybe for terrain, it might be like little like tombstones or 534 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,000 whatever. And then for the denizens, or I 535 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,160 guess it's going to be called fear in the, in the book, It 536 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,040 could be like little spiders coming out from the pattern. 537 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,800 And so like it's, it was like a lot of work to do this, but also 538 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:00,480 like I'm excited to be able to reuse and very slightly modify 539 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:07,800 these assets and only only draw like a few, like very few new 540 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:13,160 things per spread. So hopefully we'll be able to 541 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,920 like get a lot of mileage out of, out of like these assets 542 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,680 that have been created. So it will look like way more 543 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,680 work than it actually will be. That's the goal. 544 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,080 But yeah, it was fun. Yeah, this spread is crazy. 545 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,960 How so? How much of the book is like 546 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,640 this done? You're looking at it, but. 547 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,640 Yeah, it's going rendered to this degree as this spread is 548 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,640 the sort of the the proof of concept spread that we put 549 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:54,640 together. For for fans of in game fiction 550 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,920 or whatever the probably the biggest actual like new 551 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,320 illustration part that'll be like straight illustration. 552 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,760 We're going to do open it up with like a little, a little a 553 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,239 little comic where we have like, well, we have a like kind of 554 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,719 thumbnail here to a degree, but it's just like maybe like a 555 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,800 little 6 page, 8 page. Oh, this is this is the oh now 556 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,520 welcome honored guest thumbnail page. 557 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,920 But yeah, that's going to be the most illustration heavy, heavy 558 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,120 thing. But sorry, yeah, to answer your 559 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,560 question, that level of done, Yeah. 560 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,600 Just what you said maybe like 8:00 this morning. 561 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,480 Got it perfect. It looks. 562 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,639 Gorgeous. I'm excited. 563 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,719 I mean the project doesn't doesn't hit Kickstarter until 564 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,760 when is it again? Mid November Mid. 565 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,960 November. Yeah, that is a ways off because 566 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,719 I remember you guys talking about it at PAX like that's 567 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,840 that's when I first heard about it and that was almost last, it 568 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,920 was last November. It was, yeah. 569 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,920 Yeah. And like in the in the meantime, 570 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,680 we've gone through a few more revisions of like the PAX and 571 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,120 game mechanics. We've done a few rounds of play 572 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,200 testing, we've gotten set off to beta readers. 573 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:17,960 And so we're hoping that we're on the last draft of the ritual 574 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,080 part of the game. So that's getting pretty 575 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,080 polished. And then our process is moving 576 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,960 from that's a layout just because the words have been like 577 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400 kind of shifting and we don't want to get too far into the 578 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,320 play out just yet. Yeah. 579 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,400 I mean, I can imagine doing that much work on every page and then 580 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,440 suddenly being like, well, we have to take that whole section 581 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:42,200 out, you know, And especially if so, Robbie, are you doing art 582 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,200 and layout? Because the layout is basically 583 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,720 in the art. So are you doing most of that or 584 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,160 you are you all of you guys working like what? 585 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,160 What is the? Are the visuals entirely you? 586 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,280 Definitely like conceptual stuff and probably some time sure 587 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,200 Tyler will wind up doing some small design elements and stuff 588 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,000 too like he does. He does some layout stuff and 589 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,560 some graphic design stuff and all like the text kind of stuff 590 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,240 like font choices and stuff like that is a lot of Tyler. 591 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:22,000 So I'd say like big picture conceptual stuff, layout in 592 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,520 terms of like fake kind of figuring out what we want to do, 593 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,840 where it's going to be. A lot of that is a is a bit of a 594 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,440 back and forth. It's it's a lot of a 595 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,920 conversation. But then, yeah, the kind of 596 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,240 mocking it up and then getting it laid out is is is mostly. 597 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,440 Yeah, execution is mostly and then I may have some like hands 598 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,320 in Polish making like you know for sure words look correct on 599 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,760 the page or whatever. But yeah. 600 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,640 And and you said you're starting with a comic. 601 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,840 Is that like harkening back to the the comic days or? 602 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,680 Yeah, it's just the thing that we kind of miss doing. 603 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,240 And Robbie wants to put more comics into our games in 604 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,400 different ways. And we thought, you know, we 605 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,880 have this this game is very flavourable in a very specific 606 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,520 sort of flavour. And if you get jump into the 607 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,440 game text and you've read things like the gourmet gas series by 608 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,480 Mervyn Peak or like Jonathan Strange and Mr. Nora, they'll 609 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,360 probably not going to need any more juice than that. 610 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:32,600 But if you haven't having like a little short, like 4 page comic 611 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,600 that is like really letting you understand that these are like 612 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,120 spooky in a kind of a ridiculous way. 613 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:48,360 These fairies are kind of outrageous in their in their 614 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,280 ritualistic nobility. Then that's kind of like get you 615 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,840 on the right page to play the game. 616 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,080 Yeah, it's really good for like tones. 617 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,800 Tone setting is like marrying the wryness with like the 618 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:04,000 morbidness of it is very like the the the comic is basically 619 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,560 this this fairy Butler freaky dude talking angrily at himself. 620 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,320 The doorbell rings and he opens it and it's like a bunch of dead 621 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,160 bodies scattered throughout. Like you get your first like big 622 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,800 look at the space or whatever. And he's like, oh, what hour is 623 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,520 this? And he, like, brings them in and 624 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,280 stuff. And it's like, yeah, this is 625 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,560 like, gloomy and dark but absolutely ridiculous at the 626 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,800 same time. And it's like, yeah. 627 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,920 And that arch sort of arrive always carries forward then into 628 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,160 like the the rest of the text in a way that maybe makes it make 629 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,080 more sense to like understand who it is that's saying these 630 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,920 things. Yeah, yeah. 631 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,600 That's awesome. There's I've seen a number of 632 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,400 books that start with comics and they're all it's always 633 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,200 incredible is exactly for the reasons you said. 634 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,760 Like a little bit of fiction writing in the beginning is 635 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,840 great, but comics are cool and being able to get the visual 636 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,920 tone along with like their narrative tone is, is really 637 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,440 fantastic. So I'm really excited to see 638 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,680 that. And I believe there's someone 639 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,720 else that's working on the project with you guys as well. 640 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,760 Oh, yeah. I mean, we've got a couple shout 641 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,000 outs at least. Richard. 642 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,880 Richard Ruin is doing the editing and then Tony Vicente 643 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,600 and Plus One obviously are helping us publish and run the 644 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,400 Kickstarter and just supporting in all possible ways. 645 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,400 So thank you to both of those folks. 646 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,520 Much appreciated. Yeah, love Richard. 647 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,760 I mean, Richard is one of the just nicest, most genuine people 648 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,520 I've ever met, especially from Philadelphia. 649 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,680 So you know it's. So you're saying very low bar? 650 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,360 Yeah, extremely low bar. Very long. 651 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,200 If you get for another year, he'll be as awful as we. 652 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,560 Are There you go. All the rest of all the rest of 653 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,200 them. I was, I this, I lived in that 654 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,440 area. And that's why I'm so terrible, 655 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,720 you know what I mean? So, yeah. 656 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,720 But so the Kickstarter's coming up, you guys, I mean, talk about 657 00:39:58,720 --> 00:39:59,760 the spread, talk about everything. 658 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,800 You've been working on the game for a while now. 659 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,200 How? Is this is going to be your 660 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,720 first crowdfunding project, But obviously Tony does this as his 661 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,000 job over at +1. How, how, how ready are you guys 662 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,440 for November? Like how, how are you feeling 663 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,720 about running a Kickstarter and, and where you are with the 664 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,120 project? Like how's it going? 665 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,920 So. So we did Kickstart climbers for 666 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,960 them. But that only makes me more 667 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,520 excited to not be the only one running Kickstarter, because 668 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,960 there's a lot about doing a Kickstarter that is exciting and 669 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,560 fun and the dopamine rush and then other things that are like, 670 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,320 this is really miserable, and I wish I had support for it. 671 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,480 Yeah, fulfillments. And then like when you've got to 672 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,400 be the one apologizing to someone who's angry about 673 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,080 something that they probably shouldn't be angry about as, I 674 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:57,440 don't know, it's a little rough. But yeah, it'll be nice to have 675 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,240 a little bit of support. And I'm like, looking back on 676 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,920 the Glimmers Room Kickstarter, I'm like, I am 100% sure we 677 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,200 could have done some more things to make that a bigger deal than 678 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,400 it was. We were, I mean, we were kind of 679 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,360 overwhelmed and wanted it at all at that at that point. 680 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,080 But yeah, it's very exciting to have Tony on board because I 681 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,880 know he's done. You know, I don't know dozens of 682 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,160 Kickstarters at this point. Yeah, we're excited to get 683 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,560 everything we need ready for the Kickstarter and then we're very 684 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,560 excited to like not do the Kickstarter is like. 685 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,640 What we're not. So jazzed about. 686 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,920 Fixed labels to packages and then yeah, carry them to the 687 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,840 mailbox. Two blocks for my house like 4 688 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,080 times a week for three weeks. So I haven't so I haven't run 689 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,520 our previous Kickstarter. And you do have Tony coming on. 690 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,320 Do you guys, do you have plans to be like, all right, I'm going 691 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,240 to do this, I'm going to do that. 692 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,600 You're going to do this. You're going to be damage 693 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,960 control. Like are you more prepared? 694 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,560 You know now not only just because you have someone who who 695 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,360 does this, but because of the previous one, like are you 696 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,440 already like batting down the hatches and stuff? 697 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,640 I would say no A. Certain degree, I'm sure. 698 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,280 Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I, I'm, I'm honestly, I'm focusing way 699 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,280 more on getting the thing where it needs to be than I feel like 700 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,480 I was at this point with Glimmer's room or I was just 701 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,400 like to be in pure marketing mode the whole time. 702 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,840 I'm getting ready. Having like a press kit, I'm 703 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,560 like, yeah, Oh yeah, I guess. I guess that's just a thing you 704 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:25,880 do have. That's a good thing to have it. 705 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,280 Is it is a thing? It's a good one I assume. 706 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,600 I mean Tony did run like how to make a press kit in like Zemo 707 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,040 like a couple years ago. So it's nice to have one. 708 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,440 It's good looking press kit. Yeah. 709 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,400 And also like Richard and Tony have been a huge help with that. 710 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,360 Like what should we be spending our time on to get ready for it? 711 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,400 So like we've been like going to a bunch of conventions over the 712 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,520 last few months. We've been passing out like 713 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,240 promo material. We have these like cute little 714 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:59,280 invitations that invite people to imagine themselves as dead 715 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,320 adventurers and and figure out what's going on and and follow 716 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,400 the Kickstarter. Getting people to follow the 717 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,520 Kickstarter has been one of our big focuses so that we have, you 718 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,280 know, a good amount of people who will be notified when it 719 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,080 launches and might decide to back our project. 720 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,320 And so following the Kickstarter is such a huge help. 721 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,200 I go to a lot of like conventions for work. 722 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,280 I've also been pitching it a lot there. 723 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,920 I don't know how effective that's been, but I try it 724 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,640 anyway. And then also like, I think 725 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,560 we've just been so grateful for the amount of support we've 726 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,200 gotten from other people in the RPG community. 727 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,800 Like Will Yost was one of our beta readers. 728 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,680 Sean Ireland sat down with us at Flame Con and like did a demo 729 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,080 with us. And so like definitely feeling 730 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,880 very supported going into to this one. 731 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,400 That's our two of the nicest and tallest people in this space, so 732 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,000 they're good people too, to have, yeah. 733 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:08,320 As nice as they are at all. Yeah, at least, Yeah, it comes 734 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,480 up over and over again. Almost everybody in the space is 735 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,280 for some reason 6 feet fucking tall, and you find that out 736 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:21,120 quick at a convention. I'm not so, but I had a question 737 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,480 and it completely escaped my brain. 738 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:29,240 So Nope, it's gone. It's gone. 739 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,280 Yeah, it's all gone. Where so you guys are in 740 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,520 Philadelphia, Obviously Tony's in Philadelphia, but how did you 741 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,720 guys get even get linked up with with Plus one and Richard and 742 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,120 Tony? That's the question there was. 743 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,640 I pulled it back in, guys. We're good. 744 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,640 Literally, literally Pax it was we went wandering around Pax 745 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,040 Tyler Creming was nice enough to talk to us for like 5 minutes 746 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,800 when we were nobodies and was like you should go 2 boots that 747 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,040 way and go talk to Tony because he lives 30 minutes away from 748 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,680 your house. And we did. 749 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,000 And yeah. And Tyler is so Tyler Creme is 750 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,720 so aggressively helpful to everyone all it's like crazy. 751 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,720 He's like, here's my discord. Please, like message me anytime 752 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:16,480 you need anything about like, yeah, any questions you have. 753 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,960 I I love helping people in all this time. 754 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,800 Yeah. And he was just like, he really 755 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,160 put us on the path. But I will say, do you have 756 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,000 something to say? Kelsey? 757 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,880 Sorry. Yeah, just while we're still 758 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,280 talking about Tyler Creme. He was such a huge help at 759 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,960 getting us to do our convention demos better. 760 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,120 Like when we did it at Gen. Con. 761 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,600 I mean like it was fine, but it was very like long. 762 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,640 And so we had like a great conversation with like 6 people 763 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,440 and we were like, what if we tried to get more people to have 764 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,400 a great, you know, experience with our game? 765 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,800 And we message Tyler and he, he gave us so much thought and so 766 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,000 much good advice and just yeah, that love Tyler Crevein. 767 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,680 He's wonderful. 'Cause he's, he's like the 768 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,240 master of doing quick table demos. 769 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:04,800 And now we have like we can get, we can give a taste of what this 770 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,600 game is like in like 5 minutes is what we got our demo down to. 771 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,960 Maybe less than that, yeah. Yeah, 3 minutes, yeah. 772 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,160 And we always say it's two. I can like when people are 773 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,920 walking five, we'll say it's two no matter what. 774 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,320 He's a bite size. It's 2 minutes, just stop for a 775 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,080 second. Yeah, you just got to get. 776 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,760 Them to stop yeah, that's it. I mean percentage wise in sales 777 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,720 Oh yeah. I mean, especially if you have 778 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:34,640 foam, throw down a piece of foam and be like, hey, stay on this 779 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,920 for a second, you got 2 minutes. Come sit with. 780 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,720 US 10 percent, 10% is the percentage of people that 781 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,800 generally stop. If you're if you're like, hey, 782 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,640 stop for a second and talk. So that's that's generally your 783 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,360 target audience. If you talk to 200 people, you 784 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,840 might get 20 people stop. Don't know why I know that, but 785 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,840 that thing. That's awesome, good to go also. 786 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,240 Tony shouted out Glimmer's Wren before we knew. 787 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:07,040 Yeah, he did on on the he had like the Zen month thing. 788 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,240 He was doing every every Zen club or Zen, Yeah, Zen quest. 789 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,120 Yeah, whichever 1 he did that on, he was like check out this 790 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,960 book. You definitely got us some 791 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,960 backers. And that was a really good end 792 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,720 to talking to him. Be like, hey, you talk about our 793 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,760 book. And he's like, oh, hi. 794 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,520 Yeah. So yeah, that and then Tyler and 795 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,320 then talking to him and then. We went to Tony's coffee shop 796 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,000 and he gave us a bunch of books and he was like, you want to 797 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,280 make something? And we're like, yeah, we do. 798 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,000 Here we go. And and as you said, you're 799 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,360 going to be launching in November. 800 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,720 Are you going to PAX this year? Yeah. 801 00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:51,880 So we'll be at PAX. We'll probably be around the 802 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,480 plus one table quite a bit. We'll also be wandering around. 803 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,240 I'll say our launch date is variable based on the amount of 804 00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,920 followers we get on. Yeah, we do need to get those 805 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,760 those those followers in there. But yeah, we are shooting for 806 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,480 that like kind of week before PAX I think. 807 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,560 We'll be good by then. Yeah, but we're sitting at 98, 808 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,600 so. Yeah, so everyone, anyone who 809 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,600 has parents. Yeah, get both of your parents. 810 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,080 Make some fake e-mail accounts. Yes, we're we're Kickstarter. 811 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,440 That's a really, Yeah, that's what we want to appreciate. 812 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,320 This is what? You really want to get people to 813 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,680 sign up for it so they remember to do it later, but what you 814 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,760 really want is the fake people that won't sign up for it 815 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,120 anyway. We definitely want the ones that 816 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,360 aren't going to give us money later. 817 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,160 That's. You know, I I forgot that 818 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,200 Richard's probably watching this. 819 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,800 Yeah, it's literally definitely right now watching it. 820 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:50,000 So, like, probably, I probably didn't make 20 e-mail accounts. 821 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,520 Just follow our Kickstarter. It's probably just to follow it. 822 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,800 Yeah, it's probably not what happened. 823 00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:00,040 Probably less than 20, yeah. So and you're trying to launch 824 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,760 before, so are you trying to do some like cross promotion with 825 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,240 with PAX? Is that kind of the reason you 826 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,840 wanted to do November? We definitely want to be able to 827 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,480 be at PAX and like talking people about Internet and be 828 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,880 like and you can back it right now, like you can go and back it 829 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,640 like that. That is a thing you can do. 830 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,320 We didn't want us to like still be in the like. 831 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,840 You can only follow the page, but I mean, we will if that 832 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,360 needs to happen. But yeah, we're really shooting 833 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,880 to have it be a thing you can put put money down for by tax. 834 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:43,080 We're maybe going to try to do some some funky marketing stuff 835 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,600 too. Yeah, we're trying to maybe have 836 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,760 like a LARP kind of situation out of nearby local theater. 837 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,760 We have a theater place picked out they we've we've got a spot 838 00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:03,920 there and the the head of the Philadelphia Area LARP Society 839 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,440 is, is helping us. I don't know if that's anything. 840 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,960 Kelsey made a face. No one knows what it's actually 841 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,120 called. It's it's, it's Sammy. 842 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,600 But their name is Sammy. And they're is helping us puts 843 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,240 together a little numerous of experience that for like 15 844 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:22,320 folks to do and that should be pretty dope. 845 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,240 We definitely, I mean, depending on how much our hearts are in 846 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:29,680 it, we would love to get as freaky with marketing as we can. 847 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,920 But yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll see what happens, how much we 848 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,960 want to dress up like fairy freaks and like trail behind 849 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,800 people attacks me like, oh, you dropped this invitation. 850 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,440 Yeah. I don't know. 851 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,280 I know there's a lot of people in Philadelphia, but I wonder 852 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,800 when I lived there, I went to this haunted house where they 853 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,560 they did Andrew Allen Poe, but every room in the haunted house 854 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,960 was based on a different story from Poe and it was like a 855 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,280 walking thing through. I would be curious if it's the 856 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,320 same kind of people because if they're getting freaky with one 857 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,600 thing that sounds like something that might be the same group. 858 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:11,880 Do you know the name of the group? 859 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,760 Kelsey? I think it's PLSI. 860 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,800 Think so as well. And in the area. 861 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,520 LARP society. Yeah, PLSI think not. 862 00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:29,320 PS LS it was also the season for that but not quite the same 863 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,760 thing. So you want people to follow the 864 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,520 Kickstarter? Where can people follow the 865 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,040 Kickstarter at? Because I know Tony has a great 866 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:42,120 URL system for all of his games. A sweet short URL and the URL is 867 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,920 TTRPG dot link slash hinterlight. 868 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,760 Makes it super easy to follow that. 869 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,960 So we'll make sure again, that is where where you would expect 870 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,480 links to be on a video on YouTube. 871 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:01,240 And for all the rest of your stuff, for Blimmers, run and 872 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:04,360 everything else, where can they also find your art, your games, 873 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,000 like all the rest of that stuff? So we have a website 874 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,120 itsjustgossamercoast.com. We also have an itch page. 875 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,880 We are Gossamer coast dot itch. We have multiple things in the 876 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,160 plus one Exp store. Robbie, do you have anything 877 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,440 else on that front to plug Robbie's Instagram? 878 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,400 Yep. And Robbie's on blue. 879 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,680 Sky. Blue sky, yeah. 880 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:34,800 Yeah, I'm Robbie A Burns. There's no E and Robbie, I just 881 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,240 want to say that. Get that out there. 882 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:41,560 It's ROBBIABU R&S because of my middle initial. 883 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,160 There you go. Yeah. 884 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,080 Yeah, Well, I really appreciate you guys coming on. 885 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,120 I know I I, I bugged the hell of you at Gen. 886 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,120 Con to be here. So it's really nice to actually 887 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,320 get to talk to you guys and actually have you on the show. 888 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,480 So thank you so much for that. Thank. 889 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,440 You so much, yeah, we appreciate it a lot yeah of. 890 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,120 Course. You made our Gen. 891 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,200 Con experience very pleasant. It was very, very nice. 892 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,680 I feel like it was just the same joke 50 times. 893 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,760 So I guess that does it for you. That'll you're welcome, but not 894 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,760 the same. Obviously. 895 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,040 You guys were fantastic and that's one reason I really want 896 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,320 you guys on and inch light. It's fantastic. 897 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,360 All of you guys work is fantastic. 898 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,760 It's really great. Definitely go grab everything 899 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,920 you can from these guys and I'm very excited for the 900 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,560 Kickstarter. Yeah. 901 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,400 You're going to be at PAX Unplugged 2 maybe? 902 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,360 I will, yeah. I'm going to be running the 903 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,080 World Champ booth again with Adam Vass. 904 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,480 Oh hell yeah. Cool. 905 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,920 And he'll actually be there this year, which is going to be 906 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,840 really cool. It's funny because actually Jim 907 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,040 Cotton was the first time I ever met Adam, even though I ran the 908 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,360 booth for World Champ like the previous year. 909 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,920 So that was that was a cool thing. 910 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,760 And now we're going to work. Now we're going to do the thing 911 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:53,560 together. So yeah, we will. 912 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,520 I will be at pack so I will see you guys again in a couple of 913 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,360 months and hopefully the Kickstarter has launched and has 914 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,600 funded and we can like just cheer, cheer, cheer along with 915 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,160 with the scratch and everything. Yeah, yeah. 916 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:08,960 So that is going to be us for today. 917 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,920 Once again, thank you guys so much for being here and and we 918 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,520 will see all of you later. Have a wonderful day everybody. 919 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,600 Bye. Thank you so much. 920 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:17,200 Bye.