1 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,700 Hello, and welcome to the weekly. 2 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:18,500 Scroll podcast brought to you by the adventure. 3 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:22,000 Archive, my name is Ryan and I'm Takin the cat. 4 00:00:23,900 --> 00:00:26,900 And with me with us, we have a special guest with us tonight. 5 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:29,600 We have Corey of rookie jet Studio. 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,200 How you doing Corey? I'm doing well, how are you guys 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,400 so good to have you on? Oh good, I'm sorry, dropping a 8 00:00:36,408 --> 00:00:42,100 Trigun reference. Yeah, we are referring stoked to 9 00:00:42,100 --> 00:00:43,800 have you here, man. Let me we've been you've 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,000 obviously been following you since I read giant was a 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,300 Kickstarter and I know it was one of our earlier reviews, so a 12 00:00:50,300 --> 00:00:53,400 begin dress. And I think, I think thinking of 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,700 it, I know what are in the tweet, I do this afternoon, I 14 00:00:55,708 --> 00:00:58,900 was like, I think this is the, I think you have the record for 15 00:00:58,900 --> 00:01:02,400 the most games or reviewed technically World Champ. 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,100 We did two games and is e'en. So I think still the record will 17 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:09,800 be rookie jet because tonight after we chat for a little bit, 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,200 I'm sure we'll talk. I don't like ice to. 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,300 We're talking about empty cycle Minds in the mail, which is, 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,300 which is the the newest game that you put out aside from the 21 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:21,300 one that's currently funding, which will talk about to. 22 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:25,000 But early on, let's just get into it. 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,000 And then slowly, we'll work our way there. 24 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:34,700 Um, what made you want to start writing, table top games? 25 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:37,500 And why are they all about anime? 26 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,600 So I guess for me, that's like that's a question that a lot of 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,800 people start with, and I never really have a good answer for 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,300 it. So I mean for me it was like my 29 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:52,400 friends were playing D&D and I'd always been interested in the 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,500 Indie, you know, I mean, I used to live in like Section 8 31 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:58,800 Housing and we'd see like, people's Apartments, get loaded 32 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,200 out because they couldn't pay for rent, or whatever happens. 33 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:04,800 And I got ahold of some D&D books and I'm just like, I don't 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,800 know what the hell's going on here, you know, I'm like 12 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,699 years Sold and I'm just like, I don't know, math, very well. 36 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:14,600 So I was like, wouldn't it be cool if these were very simple 37 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,600 and then I'm like, what else am I interested in anime. 38 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,600 Very cool. So taking that with me to 39 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,600 adulthood, you know, I started working on video games a lot and 40 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,200 I dived into that very heavily. But then after I got into it, 41 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,300 I'm like, wow, I really don't want to pump out like one video 42 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:35,200 game per decade so that people can judge it at that point. 43 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:37,900 So I decided that I'm going to work. 44 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:41,500 Tabletop RPGs, I can write them. I can get art for them. 45 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:46,600 I can turn them into books and it kind of like hearkens back to 46 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,200 a point where I was a little kid where I used to love like 47 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:55,700 writing books, you know, or like making stories and it just kind 48 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:57,900 of went from there. So, I mean, I feel like it was 49 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:02,700 kind of a natural progression for Me, overall, Hey, cool. 50 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:07,100 So kind of your. So your first game if I'm not 51 00:03:07,108 --> 00:03:09,000 mistaken is over arms. Correct? 52 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Yeah. The First full game that I ever 53 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,300 released was over arms, okay. And what was kind of the impetus 54 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:16,400 for like, starting like over arms? 55 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,900 Like, well, you just like really In Like A Jojo phase or yeah? 56 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:22,500 Yeah. I mean, definitely definitely in 57 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:26,200 a JoJo phase. I feel like 2019 is probably 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,900 about the time where, like, people were like, oh, what's up 59 00:03:28,900 --> 00:03:30,200 with all these JoJo? Memes? 60 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,700 What's going on here? Yeah. 61 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,500 And you know, the universal Consciousness in that sphere was 62 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:40,500 kind of like oh this is, this is kind of cool and so I got into 63 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:47,600 it as well and you know, it just I haven't been so absorbed by an 64 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,400 anime or piece of media like that since I was a child. 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,900 So it was like so cool to be like oh my God like there's so 66 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:58,200 much I'm learning about this. There's parts that haven't even 67 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,200 come out in English it, you know? 68 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:06,400 And so Was I was just really captivated by it and so in 2019, 69 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,700 I started working on over arms and then in 2020, you know, the 70 00:04:10,700 --> 00:04:14,100 whole world was ending so that's when it launched. 71 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:18,200 And I was very, very stressed out during that period but I was 72 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,500 I was overall happy with the product, you know? 73 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,500 I I mean, what else could you ask for? 74 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:30,100 Get is very cool, it did. I is one of my more I love Jojo 75 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:33,000 and I also really like I played Persona around the same time 76 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,400 that I actually got over arms. And so it very much hits, both 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,400 those things and so it's fucking exactly what I want to go 78 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,000 through it now to alright. Yes, it's on my list. 79 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:46,300 I bounced off JoJo pretty hard for Tiffany season. 80 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:49,100 One is the best and you have to watch it with the English dubs, 81 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:50,400 okay? Like, you can't watch it with 82 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,300 us. Yeah. 83 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,800 But those are both of the problems. 84 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,900 Here's the issue is that? I originally started watching it 85 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:02,800 sub. I enjoy Subs. 86 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,300 I enjoyed jobs, either way, like, I hate, I hate the fucking 87 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:08,300 tribalism of like, which one's better not. 88 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:10,300 You're not more intellectual because you just listen Subs. 89 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:12,300 Sometimes, I want to eat my food while they watch a fucking 90 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:14,200 anime, right? And I want to be able to take my 91 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,700 eyes off the screen for a second, but I watch your 92 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:18,700 subtitles. Anyway, the jobs I think are the 93 00:05:18,700 --> 00:05:22,200 subs fit JoJo really well. And as soon as I switch to 94 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,600 English, I was like, it's now a Sounds terrible. 95 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:30,600 It sounds ridiculous. Good like I live, obviously deal 96 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,400 not to have, but like after season one I was like I got 97 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,100 other shit to watch and I know that it's good and I know 98 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:41,100 there's a ton of it out there and it is on my list of things 99 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:42,400 to do. It's just a matter of like 100 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,800 getting back to it, but I bounced off so hard. 101 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,500 So when we went over over arms, I think you're even like we were 102 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:50,700 talking about on the show because I was like, I don't 103 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:53,700 really get how this is Jojo. I don't see anything. 104 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:55,400 You're like bro. You only one season 1. 105 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,900 Shut the fuck up. Where's the bar? 106 00:05:56,900 --> 00:06:03,300 Where they kicked the dog? Yeah, totally unrelated. 107 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:07,300 But are you on our /? Shitpost Crusade? 108 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,000 No. Okay, it's like a joke. 109 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,000 I mean I've really grown out of like the, the JoJo phase, I 110 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,200 think. For the most part, like, I mean, 111 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:24,300 I love JoJo of course, but overall, it's not like my main 112 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:28,300 focus is not what I'm gonna. Yeah, I'm right now, so to harp 113 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:30,500 on jojo at all, I just talking about Judge obeyed over. 114 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:33,700 I mean, the Jojo Jojo references and everything, I feel like 115 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,400 really peaked around that time. Yeah, absolutely after. 116 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,300 So it was It was for me, at least it was, it was something 117 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:44,600 that I loved. But I wanted to distance myself 118 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,200 from at the time so well. So then with a lot of your I 119 00:06:48,207 --> 00:06:51,700 mean, almost all your games are, I mean not almost everything 120 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:56,400 when a game is a very enemy influence, do you feel like the 121 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,500 anime you're into at the time heavily influences a game you 122 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,900 want to write or you have like a list that you're just like going 123 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:03,800 down. I feel like I have a list, you 124 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,100 know. It's like JoJo's was the one 125 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:09,700 where I was like at the time I was getting Getting really into 126 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:12,900 tabletop RPGs and exploring different systems rather than 127 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:16,200 just d and d. And so, for over arms I was just 128 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,400 like, nothing's really doing this at the time. 129 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,600 I mean there's several other projects that had come out in 130 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,700 the past but I'm like this is too crunchy for me. 131 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,300 You know, I won't just have the exact same like wacky, go 132 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:33,800 bullshit that JoJo's has and I want people to just be like, 133 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,500 yeah, my stand is a slinky that when it touches the stair that 134 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,300 you're on, you All through it, you know, or something like 135 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:41,800 that. I wanted to give people that 136 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:47,200 kind of Leverage to make their own stuff within the games. 137 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,400 And I feel like that kind of that kind of process follows me 138 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:55,700 to this day where I want people to build content for the games, 139 00:07:56,100 --> 00:08:00,800 you know some has handed off but some is also tucked away inside 140 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,800 the game in terms of like the list though, it's like yeah I 141 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,600 absolutely have a list of games are like, anime that I want to 142 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,000 make games. He's after. 143 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,100 But I also want to kind of peel away from that and make more 144 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:17,200 original content, which, you know, is kind of seen an empty 145 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,100 cycle, the latest game that came out. 146 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:24,500 So Something around that. Yeah, very cool. 147 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:30,200 Well after after Joe we got to the I don't even remember the 148 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,600 we'd have to dig back and see which episode we actually talked 149 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,500 about red giant in one of the things that I love about the way 150 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:42,299 that you create and specifically produce your content is and we 151 00:08:42,299 --> 00:08:45,400 talked about it when we were doing the kick, start the 152 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,200 podcast that had Red Giant on it. 153 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:51,100 It's like red time is done. You were like it's done like 154 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:53,500 soon as it funds. Here's a beauty code, it's done 155 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:58,200 that one of the that was early on where I was talking about. 156 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,100 Well, I got projects that are three years past due because it 157 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:02,400 seems like people don't use right into the condoms done. 158 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,400 So when I was like, this looks amazing. 159 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:06,600 The art looks fantastic. Leo looks cool. 160 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,500 Wait a minute, I'm going to get it in like two months that 161 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:11,900 fucking hard back in. I mean, yeah, literally, it was 162 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:13,800 like not even two months later. We're talking about it on the 163 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,100 show from the point where the campaign was still going on and 164 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:21,800 they were able to do it. I guess like, good fucking job. 165 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:24,300 But like what makes you also want to do that to just be like 166 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:26,700 it's finished content. It's ready to go. 167 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:28,500 It's all done. Then I'll throw it up on 168 00:09:28,500 --> 00:09:29,500 Kickstarter. Yeah. 169 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:33,600 I mean like like to be transparent completely because I 170 00:09:33,608 --> 00:09:35,100 feel like it's not a secret at this point. 171 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:39,200 It's like I'm working on these games for years or months before 172 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,200 I take them to Kickstarter but for me I feel like I don't want 173 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,700 to get. I've seen a lot of games fail on 174 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:49,700 Kickstarter where it's like, oh, you raised 40,000 dollars and 175 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:51,800 now the project is like four years later. 176 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,400 I don't like the promise stuff like that and I feel like 177 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,100 Kickstarter has really kind of pivoted into a pre-order tool 178 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:05,100 for tabletop RPGs, and in my past experience, that's mostly 179 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:06,200 the way I use it. You know. 180 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,400 I create a buffer where it's like, oh, we have a problem with 181 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,600 printing, you know, it's like, you know, you might get this in 182 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,200 February, you might get this in March, something like that, but 183 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,600 for the most part with me, I try to have the bulk of what I want 184 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,300 to give you ready before I actually take it to Kickstarter, 185 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,600 you know, by the time I take a project to Kickstarter, I have a 186 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,600 proof of that copy whether it's complete or whether it needs 187 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,000 changes or things like that, that may happen. 188 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,300 But it's, it's something that I want to take care of ahead of 189 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:45,000 time because I don't like, I don't want to get myself in that 190 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,800 position where it's like I've worked for, you know, three, 191 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,100 four years. ears in the tabletop RPG space and then people are 192 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:56,600 like oh well, Why are you failing this now? 193 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,900 You know why don't you have this ready now? 194 00:10:59,300 --> 00:11:02,300 And looking at my previous projects and it's like you know 195 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:05,800 there may come a day where I want to do you know shipping out 196 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,400 of my house but I live in an apartment you know it's like I 197 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,400 live in an apartment my work a day job so this is certainly not 198 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,000 something that pays the bills. It's something that is you know 199 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,200 a passion project and this is the easiest like the 200 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,800 print-on-demand way is the easiest way for people to get 201 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:26,300 these. Projects on time and delivered 202 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:29,100 correctly. If that makes sense, totally. 203 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,600 So, that's where I'm at with it. You know, I mean, I want to be 204 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,400 transparent about that because I've had people ask me that 205 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,100 before. Like, how are you doing this? 206 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,000 And it's just I'm not, I don't have anything to hide in that 207 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,700 regard. It's just Kickstarter. 208 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:46,500 Ultimately, you know, I've had people ask me to and not to draw 209 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:49,900 this question on but I've had this for me, honestly go off. 210 00:11:50,300 --> 00:11:53,300 Yeah, I've had people ask me before it's like you know well 211 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:55,700 why don't you Release it and it's like well I wouldn't make 212 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:58,900 as much money that way, you know at the end of the day, if I'm 213 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:04,100 not making money on a project, am I going to, you know, be able 214 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:06,900 to continue doing this? No, that's like your back. 215 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:09,300 Pay yourself for all these hours that you're doing the same 216 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:11,000 amount of work, right? Yeah. 217 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Else would you're just like you're just like okay well I did 218 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,400 the work now I'm back paying my sorry. 219 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:16,600 Right. But it's a different 220 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,800 presentation, you know? Yeah, absolutely one. 221 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,600 That isn't so transparent with people from the get-go. 222 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,800 So It's something that I want people to take into 223 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,700 consideration. I know not everybody will 224 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:32,500 because I always love to pull people more people on to these 225 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:34,700 projects as we create them, because we're hitting different 226 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,700 genres, we're heading different anime, we're heading, you know, 227 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,400 all these different marks. But it's something that I want 228 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,800 to touch base on because I've had so many questions about it 229 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,400 in the past. So yeah. 230 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:53,000 I also think, I mean, there's a big difference to with having a 231 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,100 game already. Go. 232 00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:57,400 Because like I said, our excitement for a giant was it 233 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,700 never really way and it looked fucking awesome. 234 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:02,000 And then the fact that we knew it was coming and then it got 235 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,500 there within 2 months, it was like cool. 236 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:07,000 I've been excited for this. I'm excited cause it's on the 237 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,500 way and I'm excited that it's here, but then you'll get some 238 00:13:09,500 --> 00:13:11,400 bigger projects. Like like one of the biggest 239 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,100 funded tabletop games in history, anybody remember that 240 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:19,400 one is fucking Avatar. I still, don't know. 241 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,200 When's the last time you heard of any fucking thing about 242 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,500 Apatow. It was huge. 243 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:27,000 Everyone was so excited for it's been a fucking year and a half 244 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,900 like some people have some PDFs and that's it, excitement gone 245 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:32,000 because it's going to trickle out over like two to three years 246 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,200 because backers are going to get a PDF and then maybe they'll 247 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,000 start to get it in their hands and then it'll go to pre-release 248 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,500 and stuff like that. But again, with your stuff, it's 249 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:43,300 like, it's done. It's ready, the campaign ends 250 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:45,300 fun, take your hand, I get pod codes. 251 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:47,500 I'm still excited. I get it in my fucking hands and 252 00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:50,600 I can't tell you how refreshing an awesome that is for someone 253 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,400 who backs way way too many fucking Kickstarter's to be able 254 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,200 to leave it. As far as like, empty Cycles 255 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,500 concerned, like this of the PO decodes arrived, not very long 256 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:05,300 after the campaign ended at a man than I had it in my hand and 257 00:14:05,300 --> 00:14:09,200 like, oh, we can hang out. I'm like, that's so it's so, and 258 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,100 they didn't even remember that. The PO decodes Rap is really 259 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:13,300 cool. You can do that, though. 260 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:17,500 It's fantastic. So, you know, you kind of talked 261 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:22,000 about wanting to like make more original content and I think 262 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,600 there's this like conversation going on. 263 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:27,000 On my about genre emulation. And like, personally, I don't 264 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,700 see any issue with that at all. I think if it's healing well, 265 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:32,700 and I think that we all enjoy stuff, but like you're saying 266 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:34,200 that you want to do like more original stuff. 267 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,600 Like what direction do you see? Like the future of your work 268 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,300 going like more rigid as like morons the contents answer? 269 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:42,000 Damn, that's a spicy question. I see guy. 270 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:47,700 Yeah damn um, so I've seen some of the conversation about genre 271 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:51,400 emulation and I don't I don't want to like put myself at the 272 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Forefront of that but I feel like There's really nothing 273 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,900 wrong with that, right, green? I mean, you have, you have like 274 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:03,400 good society, which emulates novels? 275 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,100 I can't remember the author's name right now. 276 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:08,800 Please forgive me but you have all these different games that 277 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,600 do emulate something. Like, like I'm not remembering 278 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,300 anything at this point, but you have a lot of tabletop RPGs, the 279 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:20,000 aim to emulate something and bring it to the table, where you 280 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,100 can sit with your friends, you can play pretend with numbers 281 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:25,300 and you. An essentially, you know, do 282 00:15:25,300 --> 00:15:28,300 whatever you want to do, and I don't think there's anything 283 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:33,400 wrong with that. I think, I think that, you know, 284 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:38,600 in the future, I want to kind of spend this in a more original 285 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,100 way where I'm creating things. Because now, I have like a 286 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:46,300 little bit of a following right where people are interested in 287 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:50,700 what I do, not necessarily the genre, but the things behind 288 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:54,200 that genre, right? So, I think I want, To go a 289 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,400 little bit more in that route but I also don't want to drop 290 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,300 these kind of re-creations of like anime or video games and 291 00:16:04,300 --> 00:16:07,500 tabletop format. So I think like the next big 292 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:11,200 project that I have is I'm hoping is going to come out in 293 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:16,500 2023 and it's kind of like an emulation of Star Wars and Final 294 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:20,900 Fantasy combined and it uses cards and things like that. 295 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:23,400 But I'm not going to touch on that too much. 296 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,600 Because that's still such a heavy work in progress. 297 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:31,300 Very funny because I also have a work in progress. 298 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:34,400 That's an emulation of Star Wars in the wizard wizard of 299 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,600 Earthsea. So personally gun. 300 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,500 Let's hey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 301 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:40,400 So very cool. Yeah. 302 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,600 And that's still very much the same. 303 00:16:42,700 --> 00:16:45,800 I have no issue with emulation. I think that we all want, see 304 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,100 these things were inspired by them and one of the experience 305 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:51,800 at the table and I think that there may be as I can over doing 306 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:52,800 it. But I know where that is. 307 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,900 I think that you do a really good job of being like. 308 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:57,100 Hey, here's the thing that kind of fits this thing but also if 309 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,900 it's a couple other things and you can kind of How you want. 310 00:17:00,900 --> 00:17:03,700 But yeah, I am excited to see like, where you go because, 311 00:17:03,700 --> 00:17:08,599 yeah, I like empty cycle feels different and it can kind of 312 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,099 stand on as its own thing. Like, I know there's still like 313 00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:16,200 a little bit of there's inspiration there, but you can 314 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,099 really step out of like fully, cool e NF L CL and make it its 315 00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:23,099 own thing as well. Yeah I'm very interested for 316 00:17:23,099 --> 00:17:24,800 this project you should definitely send me your rough 317 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,700 draft so I can see it as. Yeah, we'll see ya. 318 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:29,400 Okay. Cool. 319 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,200 Maybe we should touch base about your project to. 320 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,700 Yeah. Absolutely my bad. 321 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:36,000 So nobody should touch base by your goddamn project. 322 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,600 Again Hunter, it's only been like a year, um yesterday takes 323 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,000 time, it takes time. So, so going from the future to 324 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:50,000 the Past here, one of the, the influences, I've seen a lot in 325 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,100 the way the system that you write in, because a lot of your 326 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:59,700 games have I think at its core very similar system, Um, and I 327 00:17:59,700 --> 00:18:02,500 believe it is an influence by, right Utama. 328 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:08,300 What was the impetus to kind of convert that into what you 329 00:18:08,300 --> 00:18:10,300 wanted to do. And then to kind of keep that 330 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:13,400 kind of system going with, like, the two stats added together for 331 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:16,400 four different things and dices on two different spots and stuff 332 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,000 like that. Yeah, I think that like, you 333 00:18:19,008 --> 00:18:24,800 know, I went to a bookstore and Virginia one day and I happened 334 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,700 across Utama and I was just obsessed with it. 335 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,300 Um, the get-go. I mean like coming coming from a 336 00:18:31,308 --> 00:18:35,300 kid who played like Harvest, Moon 64 and like, all like Quest 337 00:18:35,300 --> 00:18:39,800 64 and Final Fantasy is a kid and seeing this book and being 338 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,400 like, oh shit, this is a tabletop RPG like blew my mind 339 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,700 immediately. But then also reading through it 340 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:50,600 and seeing how simple it was, you know, it was like, this is 341 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,900 something like immediately clicked in my mind, I'm like, 342 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:55,500 this is something that I could teach my friends how to play 343 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:02,900 versus, like, DND or versus Any os are kind of game or osc and 344 00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:05,900 it just it clicked for me. I don't I don't know really how 345 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:09,400 to explain it other than that but it was just like it just 346 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,000 seemed like such a simple way to design a game and you can build 347 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,200 off that in a myriad of ways that I didn't want to. 348 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,900 Really, I didn't want to let that go, you know, it was, it 349 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:24,000 was something that just really stuck out to me and something 350 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:31,700 that I really wanted to happen. So I sorry, My cats here was all 351 00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:33,000 time trust. Absolutely. 352 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,900 But one second. Sorry, kitty cat. 353 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,500 But, yeah, I mean, it was essentially like it just, it 354 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:46,200 felt right to me, you know, I mean, I can't really boil it 355 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,500 down, more than that. I mean, I've seen a lot of 356 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:52,300 people riff off of Route AMA and that sense and they're certainly 357 00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:55,200 games before we you tell, Matt that kind of whole step 358 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,200 placement system of like, your strength is a D4. 359 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:04,400 Your Is like a D6, kind of thing, but it just made sense. 360 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,300 It was great. So yeah, I know. 361 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:12,400 So I read red giant long before I saw her Utama and then sought 362 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,400 after I was like, oh, I get it now. 363 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,000 I see it. Yeah, but we were reviewing red 364 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,400 giant. It was like this, it does. 365 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,600 It feels good. I like it. 366 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,700 It's we crunch the numbers. When we're doing red giant as 367 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:24,900 well. We pulled up a probability 368 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:28,600 calculator and I was like, oh and we compared it to I can try 369 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,900 What the, they like, what you aim for the roll, your DC's but 370 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:37,100 not that I can recall them, but it was like, oh, this makes 371 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,100 perfect sense and like mathematically like a 372 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:42,300 probability it works out incredibly well and like try my 373 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:44,300 God. Can I touch on that for a 374 00:20:44,308 --> 00:20:46,000 moment? I was so scared. 375 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,000 When you guys were reviewing red giant that I had made like some 376 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:55,300 sort of mathematical like problem and I've watched you 377 00:20:55,308 --> 00:20:57,000 guys like run through it. It's like oh my God. 378 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,300 They did their work on this. And I have, to be honest, I 379 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:05,700 didn't, I totally Wing that I totally winded. 380 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:11,100 I have to be completely honest, I completely win that, so it's 381 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:13,600 just like, oh my God, they love it. 382 00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:18,200 So it's like, it's a very sensible way to think about 383 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,100 numbers, you know. Like you didn't really need to 384 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:22,900 do the probability calculations for it to be like, oh, that's 385 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:24,700 how that's make sense, you know, right. 386 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:27,400 And I think that's one of the benefits to doing it that way. 387 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,600 Is because once you have that That math down, it works, right? 388 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:36,800 So I feel like that was, that was a true trial and tribulation 389 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:40,500 of red giant, man, the system at its core is it was just like, oh 390 00:21:40,508 --> 00:21:41,300 my God. Yeah. 391 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,500 They had to have, like, checked the bell curves on this. 392 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:47,400 It's like, no. I shouldn't it live like, in the 393 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,900 show because I was like, I feel like I'm really curious how it 394 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:52,100 works with walking. Let's do it. 395 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:54,900 I watched you Ryan, check the bell curves. 396 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:58,600 And I was like, oh my God, he's gonna tear me up. 397 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,200 Part sweating sweating flooring. Oh yeah. 398 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaking of your following like you You have, because I'm on 399 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:10,700 your Discord and I've been less active, but I was more active. 400 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:13,500 I think, at one point, I'm not as I could, but your discourse 401 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:17,800 like incredibly active, like, dear people who post on HUB of 402 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,300 animal, which is just people posting about their anima for 403 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:23,700 over arms like yesterday, you know? 404 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,400 Yeah. So, do you like, how much of 405 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,900 your following do you like, pull into your decision, making for 406 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,000 like designing games? And like do you like crowdsource 407 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,300 them at all? For any of that? 408 00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:38,400 I mean, I've put out polls before I ask people. 409 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,300 I'm like, you know, how would you feel about this, things like 410 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:42,900 that. I mean, I always liked it. 411 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:45,100 If you're interested in my games, I want to know, your 412 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:48,400 opinion. Yeah, it's not something where 413 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,700 I'm sitting there and I'm just like, oh, well, whatever I can 414 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:53,100 get like, three more of you or anything like that. 415 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:57,500 Like, I'm very blessed to have the people that I do that are 416 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:02,500 interested in my games and interested in talking about 417 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:04,900 those games with the other people in the server, you know? 418 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,500 So, It puts me in kind of like a surreal placement where it's 419 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:13,000 just like you always dream of being in that kind of situation 420 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,400 where it's like, people are just like, oh, I love this game. 421 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,000 What what else can I do with it? And, you know, you have to live 422 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,600 it at some point but it's like I can't be there for every 423 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,900 conversation. Yeah, you know, at the start of 424 00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:28,500 the server and things like that, of course I would be but 425 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,700 anymore. It's like, you know, I love to 426 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:35,600 jump in and just be like, oh, you know, this is, this is rad, 427 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,400 I love what you're doing with it but I don't offer as much, you 428 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,100 know, oversight to it is. I yes, I would because I, if I 429 00:23:44,108 --> 00:23:47,700 did that with like the social media promotion, everything else 430 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:51,000 I would never get any work done. So you need to do like it, it's 431 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,700 up and running. It has a very great. 432 00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:56,300 I mean, have a really positive vibe, you know, everybody, there 433 00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:59,200 is like so creative. I know they're cool. 434 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,400 They're great people, they're great people. 435 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:07,600 You know, it's it's I love seeing people create stuff for 436 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:15,200 what I have already created. That's it, I just I love it. 437 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,100 You know it's yeah, it's great. I mean some people take it and 438 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,300 they roll with it. I'll see somebody posts 439 00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:22,800 something in the like add like a spoiler tag to it. 440 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,400 And I'm just like, damn why didn't I think of that? 441 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:31,200 It's very cool. Yeah yeah, be the best feeling 442 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,600 especially as a game's Creator to write a game to successfully. 443 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,400 Put the game out there and have other people start adding to the 444 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,200 game's gotta feel fantastic. You know? 445 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,500 I mean, that's why a lot of people in the industry love 446 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:44,100 doing like a sardine. And stuff for the game. 447 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:47,500 You know, when you look at like, some like Spencer doing Lumen or 448 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,800 Christmas at doing like The Wretched alone system, I mean 449 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,400 there's hundreds of games now for that. 450 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,400 And I can't imagine, you know, how that feels to be able to 451 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,700 create something and people be so inspired by something that 452 00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:59,500 you made that they make even more stuff so right. 453 00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:03,700 I mean it's it's I feel like our SRT is kind of exists is like 454 00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:07,400 the quick start guides because we have it for like over arms, 455 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,800 red giant empty cycle. So people kind of get the gist 456 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,300 of it and they start designing things. 457 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,500 Things around that. And I go. 458 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:16,800 Well, I like this enough. I guess I'll buy it. 459 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:19,500 So, I mean, yeah. Yeah. 460 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,300 You know, at some point you have to just kind of like distance 461 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:26,600 yourself from it, because if you, if you, if you sit there 462 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,400 and you read into it all day every day, you're kind of in 463 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,600 that Echo chamber, but I love peeking in and seeing what 464 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,900 people are doing from time to time because most times people 465 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:42,500 have like, just an incredible idea that I never thought of, 466 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:46,500 and it's very, very cool to see that people are dedicating their 467 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:50,700 time to not only like, you know, working on something. 468 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,700 Thing that I have made but also making it so extravagant and 469 00:25:55,700 --> 00:26:00,400 putting that kind of like detail into it to share with others. 470 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:05,900 You know I I'ma get sappy like it's it get soft really. 471 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,900 It's a really, really something else, you know, I mean I don't 472 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:15,100 know how to describe it, it's definitely a feeling that as a 473 00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:17,100 game designer. You feel like that's what you're 474 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,900 searching for and then you find it and it's just like, oh, how 475 00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:23,000 nice? So that's that's the way I think 476 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,300 of it. So kind of going back to more 477 00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:31,000 like online tabletop RPG discourse there's a big 478 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,500 discussion going on the you and I kind of talked about this 479 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:35,900 before we actually started the stream because you know we do 480 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:39,900 that on every show we have somebody on like the it like 481 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,300 supplements versus systems and you have now like three really 482 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:46,000 strong systems that really like stand Ray. 483 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,800 Well, do you have any interest in like releasing like 484 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800 Adventures for Those systems ringing kind of supplements for 485 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,800 them or you like? Yeah. 486 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,100 Floor even Lord. Yeah, morning. 487 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:02,500 If you must know Ryan, I actually did start entire book 488 00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:06,500 for a giant that I never finished because it was for 489 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:11,900 nanowrimo last year, I think, but that's probably not coming. 490 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,300 So I mean, I think for me, it's like, how does the game do after 491 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:18,800 launch? You know, it Kickstarter, you 492 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,600 have like all this press, you have all these people stoked on 493 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,600 the game but at the end of the day I'm one person right? 494 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:31,200 So for me it's like if people aren't talking about the game 495 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,200 where it's not really taking off afterwards, do I need to create 496 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:40,800 supplement material because if people aren't creating it, I 497 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,200 guess it's, it puts me in a weird spot where it's like, Am I 498 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,000 kind of am I? Do I owe my community this, you 499 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,700 know. That's that's something that 500 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,800 when I first started making tabletop RPGs, I never really 501 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,500 thought of it all was are people going to be looking for like 502 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,700 supplementary material or sanctions? 503 00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:04,500 Things like that and I've tried to pump that out like with over 504 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:06,800 arms I pumped it out with red giant, there's a couple 505 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,400 different scenarios and things like that, but it's not, it's 506 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,000 not very strong and I'll own that you know, it just Just is 507 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,600 what it is. But at the same time I don't 508 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,200 know. It just it makes me 509 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,500 self-conscious because it's like well, if red giant did this 510 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:30,200 amount, then the supplements, if I like make a third of that are 511 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,700 people actually going to you know, by this is this going to 512 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,000 give me the leeway that I need to create other games, is this 513 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:44,100 to create the leeway that I need to create more supplement for 514 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:45,600 this game, you know, things like that. 515 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,100 And I think for a lot of what I work on, especially over arms 516 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:54,400 and red giant related, it's going to just be the game. 517 00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:58,000 Yeah, if you want to make that happen, be the change that you 518 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,900 want to see and if I see that taking off, I'd be more than 519 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:05,700 happy to create, you know, supplementary content for it 520 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:12,100 with over arms I think especially it's it's a totally 521 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:15,300 different territory because with over arms I feel like I've done 522 00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:17,700 everything. Thing I can really do with that. 523 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:21,000 I mean certainly there are some things that I could go back and 524 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,400 revamp. There are things that I can go 525 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,300 back and change and things that I can add on but it's like when 526 00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:31,200 we get into like JoJo's part 7 like am I going to add rules for 527 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,100 horse riding? Because it's like steel ball run 528 00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:37,200 or something like that you know it's like because I've actually 529 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,100 fucked around with that and I don't like it. 530 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,200 I don't like feeling forced to make that kind of content. 531 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,700 I don't like being forced into a corner where it's like, oh you 532 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:53,800 have to emulate this person's exact like design guide where 533 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,300 I'm like looking at what a rocky has done which if people don't 534 00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:01,600 know that's the author of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and recreating 535 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,300 that and tabletop format that's not my place over. 536 00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:09,600 Arms was a thing that I wanted to do and I did it and whatever 537 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,900 you want to do with it. You know create your own 538 00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:16,900 horseback riding rules, is it? Something that I am going to 539 00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:19,600 touch on one day. Absolutely, I mean over arms is 540 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,800 not done, red giant is not done. I've been working on a small 541 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,700 supplement for red giant for you know since red giant came out 542 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:34,300 but time is of the essence. And by all means I've said this 543 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:36,500 before, I'm going to say it again. 544 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,600 Creating new games is more profitable and more rewarding 545 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,500 than creating for these other games. 546 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:49,800 And I feel like that's, you know, for the ND Creator that's 547 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,200 going to be the route. You know, I mean the guy who 548 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,900 made start a valley to Pivot to a video game since you know his 549 00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:02,000 game has been bought millions of times, but he's also been 550 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600 working on that he's suffering from burnout. 551 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:10,800 It has an end one day and I think what tabletop RPGs if 552 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,200 you're not Wizards of the Coast, it's hard. 553 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,300 It's really hard. Yeah. 554 00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:19,000 You don't have some sort of funding backing you up being 555 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:19,500 like. Yeah. 556 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:22,900 What's he wearing now? Yeah, it's hard. 557 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:26,500 It's hard. So I wanted to create that kind 558 00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:30,200 of content but I'm just not, I'm not able to pump it out of the 559 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,900 rate that people might be used to for those other games. 560 00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:36,400 Absolutely. Do you feel like, I also think 561 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,800 that with some of the craters, we have talked to about this, 562 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,000 they've been they've created like tons of games. 563 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,800 Like, for example, like some like, Adam vas like they're 564 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,600 dropping, I mean, I can dozens of game at this point. 565 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,300 And yeah. Who think they've gotten to a 566 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:56,200 point in there like TT RPG Journey where they're like, I 567 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,900 feel like all of the things I wanted to make kind of knew I've 568 00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:04,900 kind of done and I want to go back and revisit some of my Like 569 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,700 my favorites, my babies and kind of give them. 570 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,100 Lord love. Do you feel like in your because 571 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:12,900 right over arms came out in? When was it, 20? 572 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:15,700 20, 20. Yeah, so I mean, that's fucking, 573 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:18,800 that's not even three years ago. Do you feel like where you're 574 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,100 kind of at your teacher? Every journey is is that way you 575 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:25,100 keep want to like, you want to create these new games and new 576 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,100 systems. We're like maybe in the future. 577 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,800 If you get to a point where you're like, I've kind of said, 578 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,500 what I want to say. Let me like double back. 579 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:35,000 Do you or do you feel like or do you have like Five year plan, 580 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,300 that's a contingent like because I know even Chronicle connection 581 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:41,700 plus is a very, very different game that we'll get to in a 582 00:32:41,708 --> 00:32:44,400 little bit but all of your games, even though they kind of 583 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,400 have this like kind of core system, the kind of some of it 584 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,300 carries through each one. They're all drastically 585 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,900 different you know, over arms very JoJo, inspired red giants. 586 00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:54,400 Right? Berserk inspired. 587 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,800 Empty cycle, is very foolish. Cool inspired. 588 00:32:56,900 --> 00:33:01,500 And if you, I mean, for people that love anime, you know, that 589 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,300 that's awesome to see but If there's people only like some 590 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,800 genres and Anime like they're all very different things, you 591 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,400 know. And then again with Chronicle 592 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,700 connection plus again a very different thing. 593 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:13,900 Yeah. Very different. 594 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,100 So do you feel that your kind of like going through all of these 595 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:22,600 different, like aspects of design that you want to hit and 596 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,700 you still have more that you want to get to or you're just 597 00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:28,400 kind of letting the journey and an inspiration take you along? 598 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,600 Yeah, I mean that's that's certainly a loaded question. 599 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,300 So for me it's like, you know, In five years, can you expect to 600 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:40,400 see over arms part like complete or something like that? 601 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:45,600 I would say, yes. I can't confirm that, but will 602 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,000 that come out probably, you know, but it's also dependent 603 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,500 on, you know, when I create games I want to have like, one 604 00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:56,200 layout artist. I want to have one actual 605 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,200 artists working on the project. I look at a lot of different 606 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,700 games and the art varies and quality varies and you know, 607 00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:05,400 different Artists and things like that. 608 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,000 I don't like that. I like it to be the same thing. 609 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,300 When you look at an anime, you know, it's not like you watch 610 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:17,600 Trigun and the art just changes Direction and part 2, you know? 611 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,400 So I try to carry that. With me, the downside to that is 612 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,600 that these artists also have lives. 613 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,699 They have things that they're working on and should always 614 00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:30,699 available and that that has genuinely probably been the 615 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:34,100 biggest hindrance for me with a lot of these. 616 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,800 These games is that I'm very stubborn. 617 00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:41,900 I don't want to release a game like over arms complete and it 618 00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:44,800 doesn't have the original artist on board for it, you know. 619 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:49,400 It I want to be able to do that and that's not something that 620 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,600 I'm currently able to do. You know? 621 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:54,900 And maybe that's something I'll get over. 622 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:58,200 But right now it's something I'm kind of sticking to my guns 623 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,200 about so good. He'll to stand on, you know. 624 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,300 Like yeah, I think a lot of our We obviously have read a lot of 625 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:09,300 games, but the consistent experience of are in the game in 626 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:12,400 the creating that consistent Vibe is like really genuinely 627 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,300 very important, right? An art is hard. 628 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:20,000 Yeah, Jacob in our, in our bullshit, like fake number, you 629 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000 know that we give to people whatever the first one who came 630 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,700 up with this art and style, you know what I mean? 631 00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:26,400 Like, it's an important part of the game, too. 632 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,500 Because to be completely honest, like Cuban. 633 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,800 We're human beings are dumb. The smartest of us are dumb as 634 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,000 fuck, and we're like, pretty colors. 635 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,900 And trying new things are really gonna draw attention. 636 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:38,100 I, there are games that I know 100%. 637 00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:41,100 I bought because the cover looked awesome, and I knew I was 638 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:42,300 buying it because the cover looks awesome. 639 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:44,400 They get the book at him, like it's a book. 640 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,700 That's cool. Beautiful, you know but I will 641 00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:51,200 say that's something that I do really really enjoy about your 642 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600 content. Like when we looked at like red 643 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,100 giant for example the it was the same artist a whole way through. 644 00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:01,600 It looks absolutely stunning, empty cycle, the same way that 645 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,100 all of the art it's the same artist. 646 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:08,200 There's not like It's not like every page of scattered with all 647 00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:10,600 these little bits and pieces and I have no problem with people 648 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,800 using public domain art. I think it looks fantastic. 649 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,200 I know a lot of people know us are seen do it but it can give 650 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,600 that kind of like scattered effect. 651 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,800 And that's not somehow turned into like a bonus or tweaked or 652 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,300 something, it can be a little bit different so I agree with 653 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:25,600 him. I think that's a hill to die on. 654 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,600 Just be like, fuck it one artist, in Sony one, I'm going 655 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,000 to come back to because I really, really enjoy the 656 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,100 consistency and the the level of Polish it gives your stuff. 657 00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,200 I mean, it keeps it. Looking fantastic, the whole way 658 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,300 through, and it's something to look forward to, and all the 659 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:41,500 books you put on. Yeah, I mean, I definitely 660 00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:45,000 appreciate that but it's, you know, it's something where like, 661 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,000 I look at a, like a video game, or I look at an anime, and they 662 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,400 have a creative art director, right? 663 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,800 And so, it always carries that same style. 664 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,000 Even if it is multiple artists, they carries that same style. 665 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,100 I'm not saying that you should not support games that don't 666 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:05,200 have like multiple artists and multiple different like visual 667 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,900 art Direction. Because we're tabletop RPGs and 668 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:15,900 you're going to be very very sad if you expect every tabletop RPG 669 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:18,200 to have the same artists throughout. 670 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,300 But I would say, that's one of the things that I am, definitely 671 00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:28,100 kind of adhering to where it's, it's if I don't have it, it 672 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:31,600 doesn't feel worth it for me to pump that kind of content out. 673 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,600 You know, there will be times. Of course, where I will, you 674 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,800 know, Have art that comes from somebody else. 675 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,400 But at the same time for a red giant and over arms, I feel like 676 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,300 that's one of the strong points of the book is that it feels 677 00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:53,200 very cohesive and art Direction. It feels very personable and it 678 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,200 feels strong on that regard. And that's something that's very 679 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,100 proud of and that's something she won. 680 00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:02,900 Ye the artist of both, of those books should feel very, very 681 00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:07,800 good about. So, Yeah, I mean, I will say in 682 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,000 all of your end. This is, I mean, if anyone's 683 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,700 listen podcast before, you know that I'm the fucking, you know, 684 00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:16,700 what, he had to say on the fucking Edge Lord, between these 685 00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:18,300 two edges Lords. Here, red giants. 686 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:20,200 My favorite game that you they have put out. 687 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,400 I love empty. Cycle is fantastic, but I don't 688 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,200 think it's a secret that red giants. 689 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,300 My favorite, I love berserk. I love the dark shit in the 690 00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:29,200 games. Have two fantastic, but also, 691 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,500 John is very cool. Even beyond the art, the layout 692 00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:37,000 the pain, though, even just the way the pages, Look the with 693 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,800 like the border and everything. Absolutely stunning. 694 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,400 I mean when we got it that was like one of the first things 695 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,300 that we looked at and I think we talked about it on the podcast 696 00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:47,900 pretty heavily. I think I drooled over to bit 697 00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:49,300 just be like these fucking Pages. 698 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,600 Absolutely beautiful. So the direction that you want 699 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,600 without I know you had a light, a different layout artist with 700 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,500 this because an MD Saga ledge and I really hope I don't say it 701 00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,300 wrong because I follow them on the tweeters. 702 00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,400 But this is Gene. Vern Jean Burn yeah. 703 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,500 John Vern I knew yeah it's okay. Um French. 704 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:14,400 All right so um what did you I know we talked about your layout 705 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,300 artist a little bit beforehand. Was there a specific choice to 706 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:19,400 go with? Like, a different layout artist 707 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,000 for a different style? Or is this just a matter of 708 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,700 doing something a little different because MD cycle does 709 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:27,700 look a little bit different than like over arms or Red Giant, 710 00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:30,800 right? So actually, I created the 711 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,400 layout for empty. Cycle myself and then Jean 712 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,900 translated that to the actual book. 713 00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:42,500 So Ima. Amen. 714 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:46,500 Well a guidette galette. Oh, I'm butchering that myself a 715 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,000 men. Will I go with the Leto? 716 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:55,600 But he naturally came out with fabula Ultima and definitely 717 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,500 dedicated his time to that, he deserves, all the success that 718 00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:03,500 he has. And He just became too busy to 719 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:05,000 work on this kind of stuff. You know. 720 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,400 Like I told you before we had actually started recording, he 721 00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:15,200 he and I met via Ryu Tama. And so we just kind of started 722 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,000 working on stuff together. He had his foot in the door far 723 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,200 before I had, and I was just dedicated enough, I guess to get 724 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:26,100 papers on to her words on the papers. 725 00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,800 And so, he took that ran with it, made it, what it is. 726 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,400 I mean, Both over arms and red giant would not be what they 727 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:39,900 were without his his involvement in those projects and you know 728 00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:43,300 I'm forever grateful for him. Working on those with me, 729 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:50,800 fantastic, fantastic person, literally could not speak higher 730 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,300 of him, but you know, it's it's some point. 731 00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:57,400 You know, you have to, you have to move on as people. 732 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,800 He's going his his route and I'm going mine. 733 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,100 And that's just the way things work out so I'm hoping we can we 734 00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:09,800 can work together again someday. But for now, you know that's 735 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,000 that's the way the cards are laying. 736 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:19,200 So I will say I do you. I love the layout of of MD cycle 737 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,300 like little different but it's fantastic. 738 00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,600 But do you feel like working with someone last talented as as 739 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,500 Emma was is like you learned a lot of stuff for layout or do 740 00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:32,600 you feel like you know this is just at the progression of you 741 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,300 as well with with creating as to switch into being will do the 742 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:43,500 layout to I mean I think Sean is fantastic and his own right you 743 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,000 know I wouldn't say that one is better than the other or 744 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,400 anything of that nature. But I do think that it's 745 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,700 definitely been a learning experience of transitioning from 746 00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:58,500 cosima. Didn't only help me with the 747 00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:01,400 layout for these. He would read through the Game 748 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,100 and be like, this doesn't make sense. 749 00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:06,700 You know, and maybe maybe it was bad on me to not include that 750 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:12,300 and the games, but emo would genuinely read through it and 751 00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:17,300 help me structure the game, especially collaborator. 752 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,300 Absolutely. I mean, he deserves just as much 753 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:26,900 credit as so I do and all honesty, fantastic. 754 00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:29,500 Fantastic person. I mean, I can't stress that 755 00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:34,900 enough. I think that he He's doing much 756 00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:38,800 better now. But at the same time, throughout 757 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,600 that whole process of creating over arms and red giant, he was 758 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,800 just a valuable resource for me. I mean, absolutely like sitting 759 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,200 down with a friend that you've known for years and talking 760 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,500 about something you want to make. 761 00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:52,800 Right. You know, like me and my cousin 762 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,200 would sit down and talk about like these game ideas that we 763 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,100 wanted to make, and it would be like such a healthy experience 764 00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:01,200 and we'd sit down there for hours and I felt that way when I 765 00:43:01,207 --> 00:43:04,900 was talking to Ima. So, definitely a great person 766 00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:09,800 would love to work with them again, but that's the way it 767 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,600 goes. So one thing I want to talk 768 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,500 about like I said before, a lot of your games have this kind of 769 00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:23,100 core kind of like Ryu time. I inspired ice mechanic that use 770 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,400 through over arms, through red, giant, through and b-cycle 771 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,000 chronicled a connection plus is you're currently funny 772 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,900 Kickstarter right now. It's got 19 days left. 773 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,200 It's a little different. What would you like to say 774 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,300 about? Yeah. 775 00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:39,800 Would you like to say A about that. 776 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,800 What about Connor? Go connection plus it's still 777 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,000 funny right now. What do I say about Chronicle 778 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,200 connection? Plus it started off as an April 779 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,100 Fool's joke of like 2020 or 2021, but I was just like, oh, 780 00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:55,100 I'm making this dating Sim and people were, like I actually 781 00:43:55,100 --> 00:44:00,900 want this, I was like oh do you? Because don't tempt me, I will 782 00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:04,900 make it happen. So, Chronicle connection plus is 783 00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:11,000 a solo tabletop RPG solo Journey Journaling, dating Sim lot of 784 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,800 words, shoved in there. And I felt like it was such a 785 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,100 gimmick that people would either love it or hate it. 786 00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:21,600 And I've seen both and it's just kind of one of those things 787 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,200 where it's like, I've been wanting to get more experimental 788 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,500 with what I do lately. Where, you know, I even have 789 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:33,300 the, you know, physical addition here right now that don't 790 00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:37,600 already problems but we're ironing them out and it just is 791 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,500 what it is, you know? I mean it, It's exactly what the 792 00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,400 title says. It's the system is based off of. 793 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,300 I don't know if you've heard of it but plot armor ABS. 794 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:52,800 Now plot armor is a solo journaling Met game. 795 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,800 Where, you know, I thought you were just eating like a term 796 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,100 plot armor but no, no, no, no. The game is called plot armor 797 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:05,500 and so it's, it's a game where you kind of Journal out these 24 798 00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:10,400 episodes of like a mecha anime and I was just like this would 799 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,500 be fantastic if I tweaked it. So I added on a couple layers, 800 00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:18,400 remove some things and inserted my own and made it into a dating 801 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,000 Sim. So I'm on it already. 802 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:27,800 Okay, that's the game. So it's it is what it is, you 803 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,200 know, I mean, it's not something I'm like is super cute, it's 804 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,200 definitely different. I appreciate your compliments on 805 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,900 it, but I never expected it to, you know. 806 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,600 Get the traction that say over arms were a giant or empty cycle 807 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,600 did. But it was certainly something 808 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,200 where I'm just like, I want to experiment a bit. 809 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,500 I want to see how this does and I gave it a little bit of a 810 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:57,200 comb-over with the plus version and because you can buy 811 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400 Chronicle connection right now actually but Chronicle 812 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,800 connection plus has a lot more content to it a lot more rules, 813 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,100 different things that you can insert into your games. 814 00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,900 And genuinely I don't feel Embarrassed about it. 815 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:13,000 Like, of course it's kind of weird to be like yeah I made I 816 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,200 made like a berserk game. I made a joke game and also like 817 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,200 here's a dating soon. So it's only funny when you put 818 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,500 it in that context, I'll standing alone. 819 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:27,600 If you've been lucky I made like a dating Sim solo teacher every 820 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,800 gym like right, right. Right. 821 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,400 That's a massively popular genre of game. 822 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,500 Yes. But the most is what it means. 823 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,100 You can Donovan in this number sir. 824 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,700 Maybe that's a little too raw for this but now I mean it's 825 00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:54,100 just one of those things where it's like I feel like if I was 826 00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:58,000 diving into the realm of solo tabletop RPGs and I enjoyed like 827 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,400 the dating Sim aspect of like Persona 5 or like Harvest. 828 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,700 Yeah or something like that that you could you can genuinely 829 00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:08,900 create like really cool stories out of it rather than just being 830 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:18,000 Like the, how do I put this? You know, like the back don't 831 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,500 know how to word this, but the very degenerate nature of a lot 832 00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:27,700 of dating games, right? So I mean you could do that with 833 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,900 it. The less wholesome side like I 834 00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:35,700 genuinely like Nice Slice of Life story with it, so it's fun. 835 00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:38,800 It's certainly fun for me. It's definitely a lesson and it 836 00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:43,200 Comes at a time where like social media is collapsing, ads, 837 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,600 have failed, you know, things like that. 838 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,900 But it's also such a niche thing to come out with that. 839 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,600 I don't blame myself or the game. 840 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,500 For its listen, we got an answer MMA game coming next and then 841 00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:05,000 we're good. It's like, oh, it's a dating Sim 842 00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:08,800 that you sit down with a journal and write by yourself. 843 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,900 It's like, if you, if you told me about this five years ago, 844 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:14,600 I'd be like what is wrong with you? 845 00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:18,900 82 backers. So like, you know, you're above 846 00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:21,400 you've overshot your target now it's fully funded. 847 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,100 So you're like is that, you know, it's also kind of sad 848 00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:27,400 though because I want to do like the stretch goals with this. 849 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,300 Like I really do right this stuff but it's, it's not looking 850 00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:37,500 good right now, boys. This 19 days left. 19 days, left 851 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,400 on Daisy. Has left? 852 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,600 Yeah, you stole my hit those. You know I hope I mean God Bless 853 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,100 but maybe McDonald's or listening on the podcast or 854 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:49,000 watching on YouTube. Go check out Colonel go 855 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,600 connection plus it is not a very expensive project whatsoever. 856 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,900 I think the prices are the same as empty cycle. 857 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,200 Yeah. So it's not, I mean, I 858 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,900 definitely went for the like, the whole shebang, right? 859 00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:05,200 So I 20 bucks for a hardcover. I'll fuck you bought it. 860 00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,400 Yeah, I think he left. Edition hardcover is going to 861 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,300 look very spicy when it comes out. 862 00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:16,500 So that pick them, you know, I got to have the limited edition, 863 00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:19,600 I don't even know. I don't think it's, I don't, I 864 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,000 don't really know how to feel about it. 865 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,400 Like, I know how I feel about it, but I don't know how others 866 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,200 would feel about it, you know, it's just such an odd little 867 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:31,800 project that I had to do it. Honestly, good on you. 868 00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,100 I you know, we're gonna get it'll be, it'll be good. 869 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:42,500 That'll be the weirdest thing I put out probably keep doing 870 00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:46,800 weird show. No, it's okay. 871 00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:52,300 Yeah we can go as far as allows and we can actually edit a 872 00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,800 podcast in the future so get weird. 873 00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,100 Maybe in two years from now you can date the people from a red 874 00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:05,100 giant Aren't you can date them? What are the, is it a? 875 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,900 Is it eight Kings? Is that what I'm thinking of 13 876 00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:09,300 Kings? Yeah, 13 calls. 877 00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:10,800 And there's I know there were a lot of them. 878 00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:14,600 Yeah. But that'll be nice to meet you 879 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,900 die immediately if you're within like a mile of them. 880 00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:18,800 Right. So it's more than a mile. 881 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:25,100 Yeah yeah, ridiculous. So speaking of the future and 882 00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:27,900 and the weird stuff you're going to do, I think we touched on the 883 00:50:27,908 --> 00:50:31,300 future a little For this is a project that I mean, empty cycle 884 00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,100 is done, it is in our hands. We're going to talk about it 885 00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:36,000 here shortly. Ron Paul connection is funding 886 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,600 right now. Can you talk about like the very 887 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,300 the next thing that's going to be hitting Kickstarter being 888 00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:43,200 able to enjoy our hands? Okay. 889 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,900 Hopefully the next thing to hit Kickstarter is going to be a 890 00:50:46,908 --> 00:50:48,900 little project called gimmick zero. 891 00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:54,700 That's kind of like openly been in development hell because it's 892 00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:59,200 just taken so long. It's 143 Pages as We sit here 893 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,600 and talk about it and it's kind of inspired by like Mega Man, 894 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,700 Zero Evan Galleon which we were talking about before this call 895 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,600 things like that were, essentially you have these 896 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:15,900 things called gimmicks that are these robots that have been 897 00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:19,500 designed to fight against these things called aberrations. 898 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:22,600 But sometimes the gimmicks malfunction. 899 00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:28,100 And so you are you, the player character are these things 900 00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:31,900 called Weapons and your job is to take down the malfunction and 901 00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:35,900 gimmicks to kind of make sure that the companies that own 902 00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:38,300 these gimmicks. Don't get a bad rep or there's 903 00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:40,500 not like a massacre or something like that. 904 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,500 So, that's going to be the next project we have QuickStart rules 905 00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:46,400 for. We have tons of press releases 906 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,100 via geek native and Icebreaker about that. 907 00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:54,800 Just didn't come out is, as quick as I wanted it to 908 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,400 actually, that was supposed to be the second game before red 909 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,800 giant. That just it got bigger and 910 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,100 bigger and bigger, you know, when I make these games like 911 00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:06,400 Chronicle connection was supposed to be like 10 pages. 912 00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:11,900 Like, you know, so I sit here and I'm like, oh yeah, I'll make 913 00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:14,200 a little game. I'll put it out and then I'm 914 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:19,400 sitting here for a month. Six months a year, two years 915 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,900 and, you know, eventually I have a game that people want to play 916 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,600 but gimmick zero, I feel like has a lot of legs. 917 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,400 Now, it has an incredible interior design now and you can 918 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,700 see some of that on this chord. I've also tweeted about it in 919 00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:41,200 the past but hopefully that's the next thing coming out beyond 920 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,400 that. There's a few other projects 921 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,900 that I'm working on like the Star Wars Final Fantasy and 922 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,700 Aspired game that also features art from the same Artist as 923 00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:56,700 empty cycle. Nice, which I have high orchids 924 00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:58,500 game. I mean, with that game, I found 925 00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:00,000 it. Thank you. 926 00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:03,200 I didn't I didn't draw it, but thank you. 927 00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:10,700 But we are hoping to like bust out like GM screens, a deck of 928 00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:13,400 cards for that game. Like it's going to be the most 929 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,600 embarrassing thing. Okay. 930 00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:19,000 That's that's my Make It or Break It game. 931 00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:21,600 I hope it does. Well, I'm not going to tell you 932 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,000 the title of it but I have so much work to do on it. 933 00:53:26,008 --> 00:53:31,400 You have no idea but just hoping for the best there and then we 934 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,800 have other games coming out like I've talked before previously. 935 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,900 I've been very open about this where I've wanted to create a 936 00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:42,000 Cardcaptor Sakura game, nice, like all of the rules, and 937 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,700 things like that, written out for at this point. 938 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,200 But it's, you know, just one of those things that you have to 939 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,000 have time to work on. So hopefully that will be 940 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,600 something that we pivot to. This is the old one and that's 941 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,100 a, that's a classic. I feel like there's a lot of 942 00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:00,500 people if I said, Cardcaptor Sakura be like, I don't know 943 00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:02,200 what that is. Oh, I love it. 944 00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:06,200 Are You The Boss? Love that Series. 945 00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:13,100 Yeah, absolutely. They rebooted. 946 00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:16,900 I think a while back did. Yeah, I didn't see they have a 947 00:54:16,908 --> 00:54:21,100 sequel to the original. Cardcaptor Sakura clear card 948 00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:22,900 okay. Which has like an entirely 949 00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:26,200 different set of cards which is really good. 950 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,200 And it carries more of like the modern clamp style and I think 951 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,800 they may have rebooted the series as a whole but don't 952 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:42,200 quote me on that because that's your respect for me for Now I'm 953 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,200 like fuck, yeah, there's that. Have you guys ever heard of a 954 00:54:46,207 --> 00:54:52,200 game called disaster report? It sounds familiar, but I can't 955 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,200 think of anything. So it's like it's a jrpg. 956 00:54:57,100 --> 00:55:00,200 I don't even know if you'd call it a jrpg but it's a Japanese 957 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,200 game where you play as a reporter and you're in Japan. 958 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,200 And the world is basically ending like this huge 959 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,200 catastrophe is happening. And I've been wanting to make a 960 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,200 game based off that. And I have like a pretty clear 961 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,200 system of it. But I don't know when that will 962 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,800 come out. This may be a thing where I'm 963 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,400 like in three months like oh yeah, by the way, here's this. 964 00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:24,300 Or maybe a thing in two years or I'm like hey remember that one 965 00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:26,700 interview I did with the weekly scroll. 966 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,000 It's out now. So do you like? 967 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,200 So when you're making these games do you like run a bunch of 968 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,800 these like with your own little group before you put them out? 969 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,600 No, not at all. I paced around this table behind 970 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,200 me. Four nights upon nights upon 971 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,400 weeks upon months and then I go. Wow, this is really good. 972 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,400 Do you guys want to play this with me and they go? 973 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,700 Wow, that was really fun. I go. 974 00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:57,500 Cool. I'm going to make it so that's 975 00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:02,300 basically my process sometimes I you know, I definitely play test 976 00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:07,600 things but sometimes it has more or less if people have a fun 977 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,300 time for me, you know, if I play like four games of it and people 978 00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:13,700 have a fun time. That's good enough for me. 979 00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:14,700 Yeah. Absolutely. 980 00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,200 You know because at the end of the day we're all playing 981 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,100 imagination with numbers that are tied to the Schultz and if 982 00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,900 that's fun, then it works, you know. 983 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,200 I've played many games where I'm just like, if I were to really 984 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,500 like min-max, this it would be bullshit. 985 00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:33,800 This game wouldn't be fun. I would I would destroy 986 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,400 everything that comes my way. Yeah, that's not the spirit of 987 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,600 the game, you know. So I think people need to quit 988 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,700 looking at like really balancing the game and more making the 989 00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:46,900 game fun. If that makes sense. 990 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,800 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but that means then we 991 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,900 also have to like retrain and entire, you know, section of the 992 00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:58,100 TT. Every industry that is both in 993 00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:01,200 that is encouraged by the most popular system out there. 994 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,500 The min/max, your bullshit, win everything in Allen balance to 995 00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:07,300 me whenever you like a fucking hero, right? 996 00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:10,200 I mean, I think that's where that, that's, that's a very 997 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,800 strong subject for me, because I feel like that's kind of the 998 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,700 goal of my games, because I don't reach out to you going. 999 00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:20,200 Hey, this is a tabletop RPG. I say, hey, this is a game 1000 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,800 inspired by this stuff that you might like, right? 1001 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,000 And it pulls you into tabletop RPGs because I don't want people 1002 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,000 like myself where I like I got in the D&D. 1003 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,700 Like I never read these fucking books like I sat there and had a 1004 00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:37,300 friend explained it to me and I'm like this sucks like I don't 1005 00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:39,100 want to fucking cast magic Missile. 1006 00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:42,800 I don't want to sit here and fucking calculate against my 1007 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,400 armor class. This is dumb, why don't we play 1008 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,100 something? That is much faster. 1009 00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:48,600 Like, you know, of course, I've had fun with you. 1010 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,300 ND, right? I'm going to have people 1011 00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:54,200 knocking down my fucking door. Being like, oh, you don't like 1012 00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:55,600 D&D. Listen. 1013 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,700 And if that was the case, then I my door would be fucking blown 1014 00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:01,000 off the head and gas, you know, after well, you please like the 1015 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,700 prize man. But, but at the same time it's 1016 00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:08,800 like, It's like I want something fun that I can play with my 1017 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,000 friends. You know something that like in 1018 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:16,100 Captain capsule eats this theme this atmosphere and does does it 1019 00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:17,900 right? You know like recently I saw a 1020 00:58:17,908 --> 00:58:22,000 conversation in my own Discord where somebody was like I want 1021 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:29,300 to use d and e 5e to play Guilty Gear. and I was just like, how 1022 00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:33,100 are you gonna do that? Like, what about that makes you 1023 00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:36,100 think that you can do it, you know, and like no shade to them 1024 00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:37,100 by any means? No. 1025 00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:39,000 No. You know, I don't I don't want 1026 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,200 to talk them down because they're, they're clearly like a 1027 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,800 little bit new to like tabletop RPGs or their friend group might 1028 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,700 be, right. And that's just so much, like 1029 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:52,700 obvious thing that they would they would use to run it, but at 1030 00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:55,200 the same time it's like what about that? 1031 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,500 Lands itself to that. Yeah. 1032 00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:59,200 Are you going to do Roman cancels. 1033 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,200 Indian d5e, right? So it's it, but there are 1034 00:59:03,207 --> 00:59:06,700 systems out there that do it like Shinobi gummy or fight and 1035 00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:08,600 things like that, that do that kind of thing. 1036 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:13,000 And I want my games to be that kind of pillar of salt, like 1037 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,000 automation towards like what you want to do. 1038 00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:19,100 Yeah, right. So that's that's where I'm at 1039 00:59:19,107 --> 00:59:23,100 with it because for my games, I feel like I've pulled a lot of 1040 00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:25,800 people in who wouldn't otherwise be able? 1041 00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:29,400 The tabletop RPGs who are finding out that it's like oh I 1042 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,700 can just make a JoJo's character and I can do this or I can just 1043 00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:36,000 like come up with these different exchanges and hand 1044 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,800 them off to like my players and red giant and have a good time. 1045 00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:42,900 Like I can read this book and half a day and play it, you 1046 00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:46,900 know, in the evening. Yeah, so that's kind of my aim. 1047 00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:51,800 That's kind of my goal overall is to steal from Wizards of the 1048 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,700 Coast and a sense and just be like your game isn't bad, but 1049 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,300 But there I don't want people being like, oh, you want to play 1050 00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:02,500 One Piece? Well, here's this 5e hack that 1051 01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:07,100 you can you know, play one piece in or here's like Cowboy Bebop 1052 01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:10,900 and 5e, where it does, it just doesn't make sense at all. 1053 01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:16,000 I mean, yeah, you know, the weekly we can agree to disagree 1054 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,400 that he sucks especially now. Um, but that's one thing that I 1055 01:00:19,408 --> 01:00:22,800 will say that I do love about your games is that and we've 1056 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,000 talked about this a lot like we're getting older and I To 1057 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,400 read a 600 fucking page rule book. 1058 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,200 And I don't want the fucking like, I don't need like 1059 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,300 constitutionalism in my game or I have to, like, get a fucking 1060 01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:37,000 group of people together to, like, you know, figure out what 1061 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,200 this will actually fucking means. 1062 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,000 I want straightforward, I want easy to explain. 1063 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,100 I want to be able to have this game, read this book, and then 1064 01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:48,000 be able to put this down and explain it to somebody else in 1065 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,400 that order. Having read through it one time 1066 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,300 and I will say with your games it is very easy to do that, you 1067 01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:55,500 know? And I feel like Kim disciples 1068 01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:59,800 even In like sleeker than like red giant is so lightweight. 1069 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,300 Yeah, and it's exactly what I'm fucking looking for and that's 1070 01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:07,100 one of the reasons we love your content and look forward to your 1071 01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:10,700 time content coming out is because the themes are fantastic 1072 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,600 because a lot of it is like like if you if you haven't watched 1073 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,900 berserk at all you will still love red giant. 1074 01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:19,500 Like if you haven't ever seen Fooly Cooly which not enough 1075 01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:21,600 people have. I honestly think you can play 1076 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,500 this game and have a great fucking time. 1077 01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:27,700 You don't need the the eye Pee behind it and let all the 1078 01:01:27,700 --> 01:01:30,200 fucking bullshit to really enjoy it. 1079 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,300 But if you have watched berserk or you have what truly Cooley, 1080 01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:35,200 you're going to get this extra layer. 1081 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,900 Where you go, like this is just it's done, really? 1082 01:01:37,900 --> 01:01:40,000 Really? Well it's inspired by but not 1083 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,600 emulating, you know? And that's, that's the things 1084 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:43,600 that I really enjoy about your game. 1085 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,700 The most I think is I've well, except for, you know, JoJo, part 1086 01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:50,800 2 on. I've seen all these things, I 1087 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,200 love all these things. You did a great job of bringing 1088 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,800 them to the table in a way. It is inspired by without 1089 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,800 copying in a system that super easy to run. 1090 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,100 And you know, as I said I'm excited, you know, even for 1091 01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:06,700 Chronicles connection plus to see what you do in the future 1092 01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:08,700 and to continue to keep playing your games. 1093 01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:12,400 It's thumbs up. Yeah, thank you. 1094 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,900 I definitely appreciate that. And I think that you probably 1095 01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:20,100 conveyed that in a way that I'm not able to, which I definitely 1096 01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:24,500 appreciate because it's like Wow, you really did that very 1097 01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:29,000 well, thank you. You get work with red giant. 1098 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,700 Especially I feel like if you come into it, you know, and you 1099 01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:36,000 look at that kind of game, it's like, you don't really have to 1100 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,900 know, berserk. You don't have to know, Vampire 1101 01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:40,300 Hunter D, you don't know, you really don't think about that. 1102 01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:43,000 It's just, it is a game that stands on its own two legs. 1103 01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:46,900 But if you do enjoy those, you know, this is what it is. 1104 01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:49,400 I mean, I recently saw a Reddit thread where somebody was like, 1105 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,000 oh well, if you don't want to, you know, If you have a game 1106 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,900 that's inspired by something, you can, you can kind of skirt 1107 01:02:56,900 --> 01:03:00,500 that by calling it, like, a Naman story or over arms, like 1108 01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:04,300 they have and things like that. But it's like, my my goal is not 1109 01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:07,500 to emulate. The genre necessarily, I mean, 1110 01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:11,300 of course, it's in there, but it's also to provide an Avenue 1111 01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:14,200 for people who don't have that now, right? 1112 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,800 Because I mean, like, looking at over arms or something like 1113 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,300 that, you could apply that to Hunter Hunter, you could apply 1114 01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:23,800 that to Fates. Stay night or any of the Fate 1115 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,800 genre, several other games with, you know, berserk, it's like or 1116 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,800 not for certain that's not my game red giant. 1117 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,700 You could apply that to like Vinland Saga or Vagabond or 1118 01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:40,100 things like that, you know. And it's, it's or even just your 1119 01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:43,800 own original storyline, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't 1120 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,200 matter at all. Yeah. 1121 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,400 And I think that's perfect way to do it. 1122 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,600 It's like inspired by vinod emulating and then opens the 1123 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,900 door for a lot more stuff. So, It's like I said, super 1124 01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:57,000 looking forward to all of your content going forward. 1125 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,700 You know, you're always going to have like a limited edition 1126 01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:01,300 backer. Yeah. 1127 01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:04,900 At least seriously between both of us, like, you'll always have 1128 01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:09,600 at least two limited edition at least, you know, I feel so good. 1129 01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:13,000 Honestly, I can't. I never imagined. 1130 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,000 I was in that kind of position, but thank you both, for for, as 1131 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,900 we hop into tearing this place apart. 1132 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,700 Let's see here. It's like what the fuck is the 1133 01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:22,900 epoch? Agency. 1134 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,900 But but yeah, so we're so we already talked about products 1135 01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:32,600 and action plus 19 days left on Kickstarter, go check that out. 1136 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,200 Just search chronicling action, Plus or mortgages Studio on 1137 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,900 Kickstarter. Where can people find your other 1138 01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:41,700 stuff? Like, where everything is at 1139 01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:46,700 rookie Chet studio. If you if you Google us you will 1140 01:04:46,700 --> 01:04:52,100 find us on Twitter Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. 1141 01:04:52,300 --> 01:04:55,400 Tube, which I have severely lacked on. 1142 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,200 But if you have a favor, even Tick Tock, I mean, I want to 1143 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,400 tick tock now, which is totally out of my league, but I'm 1144 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,900 trying. Hey, if you have a network, look 1145 01:05:07,900 --> 01:05:09,700 me up. There were also on Mastodon of 1146 01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:13,200 Twitter is not your thing. Probably going to be on hive 1147 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,500 soon, depending on if that survives, I don't know. 1148 01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:18,500 Now, is that weird time for social media? 1149 01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:23,300 So it's very turbulent. So so you have all of them with 1150 01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:25,200 everyone. It's just rookie Jets to 1151 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,900 your.com, right? You have like just a website, 1152 01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:31,400 you can go to Ricky jet.com, you can get a rookie jet studio.com, 1153 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,000 we have both and you'll find everything there. 1154 01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:39,000 Everything like I like the Press kits for all your past games. 1155 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,500 Like are like all sorts of stuff all over the website merch store 1156 01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:44,600 like everything. Yeah, we do it on the porch, so 1157 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,900 early to looks great. Yeah looks it's a very good 1158 01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:51,200 website. I am a web designer by by trade. 1159 01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:54,600 But my exact look at it on mobile right now. 1160 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,800 I've got it. I have some work to do but yeah, 1161 01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:02,000 thank you, thank you. That's very kind of you guys but 1162 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,700 yeah, I mean definitely anywhere that you want to follow me on 1163 01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:08,100 social media. I would be very happy if you 1164 01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:11,600 want to follow me on social media and so highly recommend 1165 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,700 follow follow this person, check out their website, check out 1166 01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:18,700 their games, you know just follow them on Kickstarter to 1167 01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:20,900 actually get the reviews and back one and obviously 1168 01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,700 kick-starts be the best forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1169 01:06:24,700 --> 01:06:27,000 We are going to hop into empty cycle right now. 1170 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,000 So if you are listening in podcast land, that will be our 1171 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,900 next episode. But if you're here in the chat 1172 01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:38,000 with us, we are going to switch to a BRB real quick and then we 1173 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,600 will be back to review MD cycle. Cory, it has been fantastic. 1174 01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:44,100 It's been a long time coming. So happy to be here with you 1175 01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:46,100 guys. Yeah, because like I said, I 1176 01:06:46,107 --> 01:06:48,600 love your guys's content. Anybody who's watching, you 1177 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,900 should immediately subscribe. You guys do something. 1178 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,500 Around very concise content, very brutal content as well. 1179 01:06:57,900 --> 01:07:00,700 I just very open, I mean, genuinely very open where it's 1180 01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:03,200 like if you don't like something about this, you don't like it. 1181 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,900 If you love something about it, you go into such a detail. 1182 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:07,600 It's fantastic. I love it. 1183 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,600 Thank you so much, appreciate that. 1184 01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:13,400 Yeah, absolutely. So again we will be right back 1185 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,100 or we will be here for the next episode. 1186 01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:16,200 So see you in just a moment.