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Hello and welcome to the Weekly 
Scroll Podcast. 

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My name is Ryan and today with 
once again just me Henry Snyder 

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world to make it today I have a 
special guest that is Paulo 

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Greco of Lost Pages. 
How you doing today, Paulo? 

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Hey, I'm really good. 
How you doing Ryan? 

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No, not too bad. 
We are, we are here. 

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There. 
No one but us knows this, but it

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has been months in the making to
to make this happen. 

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And I'm very excited that that 
we are finally getting here. 

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Yeah, but yes, we're here. 
This is we finally get the 

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chance to, to, to meet, to say 
hi, to say hey, hey, I'm a big 

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fan. 
I, I like the stuff you make. 

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So thank you so much for making 
it. 

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We're trying really hard 
starting to say we because like 

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the Las pages is it's not as 
much as anymore as like me being

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in a bedroom, but I think we're 
getting more and more people in 

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to work on books and I'm really 
happy with like I'm trying to 

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put together like a core team of
people. 

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It's it's it's fascinating and 
strange to have like to have a 

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team. 
I don't say that I run, but it's

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kind of like my publisher. 
So I pay them. 

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So like you. 
Coordinate. 

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Yeah, yeah, you corral just. 
Together. 

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All the cats, yeah. 
Corral I corral the cat. 

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So well, so so for those who 
don't know who, who the heck are

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you And, and and what's lost 
pages? 

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So I, I'm Paolo, I was born in 
Milan way too many years ago. 

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I came to Scotland about 20 
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months actually. 
I live in Glasgow. 

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I was in Switzerland for a while
and I normally like my day job 

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is, I do IT for a big Cancer 
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That's my main client and when 
night falls I take my laptop out

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and do open games. 
Publish open games. 

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Lost pages. 
Small press publisher mostly 

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devoted to arcane cold wizardry 
stuff. 

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We've been doing this since 
2012, and mostly it happened 

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because nobody else would 
publish the spellbooks that we 

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wanted to see. 
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annoying bloggers asking them, 
hey, why don't you publish your 

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books with a spell to put you on
your blog or like, but they're 

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free on the blog. 
Why would anybody buy a book? 

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And like people will buy the 
book, make a nice book. 

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And that's sounds and that's 
pretty much still what I'm 

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doing. 
Nothing changed. 

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It's been, I don't know, 12 
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Nothing has changed except maybe
the production values have gone 

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like up a bit originally, like 
in the first few years, I, I 

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picked it up like book binding, 
like traditional book binding. 

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So I was doing some handbound 
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It was like the basic paperback 
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the fancy, the hardcore that was
doing personally. 

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But I don't have the time or 
want to do that kind of work 

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anymore. 
So instead of having just 

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paperbacks, we've gone back to 
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and like for a boxing set or 
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And for our new titles were 
actually like couldn't hit some 

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printers that are used by bigger
names like the Folio Society in 

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order to push production values 
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Like I feel like I know Foley 
society is just like these are 

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targeted ads at me of these like
insanely beautiful but expensive

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books. 
Is that who I think it is? 

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Yes. 
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 

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They they. 
Make some very, very beautiful 

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books. 
They do indeed. 

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And we're going to use the 
actually like one day. 

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I was like, hey, how I saw this 
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Would you mind telling me which 
printing which printer you use? 

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And like within one hour they 
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It is the contact like 0 
gatekeeping 100% excellent. 

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Also love their stuff and 
probably like a small collection

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of mostly second hand for the 
society books in the house. 

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We have like the Play or taste 
tapestry, we have the Barbie 

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launcher and we have the guitar 
and I'm sure we'll get more, but

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yeah. 
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those things like once you 
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them and like starting to like 
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you're like, fuck, like this is 
forever now This sucks, but it's

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great. 
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Man, there goes my wallet. 
It's just terrible. 

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It's like such a menacing and 
like the because so books are 

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pretty also on the inside 
because they're full of like 

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good words or images, but they 
can also be pretty on the 

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outside. 
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going after those, you start 
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like, you know, materials and 
techniques and bindings. 

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And you start, no, not you. 
I mean, like I went to down this

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bizarre winding path of like 
book publisher history, which 

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actually led to the book design 
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For example, Book of Gob is 
cosplaying as yes, that one is. 

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Book of Gold is cosplaying as a 
book published by the Dove's 

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Press, which is this printing 
press that was in London run by 

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Richard Compton Sanders and 
Compton Sanderson with a 

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bookbinder and he was part of 
the original crowd of the Arts 

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and Crafts movement. 
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terms Arts and Crafts 190 was he
was having dinner and like the 

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wife of William Morris asked 
him, but Dick, why don't you 

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open a printing press with your 
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It would be incredible. 
It was like, no, I'm a binder. 

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But Dick, you should totally 
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And this went on for a while. 
So he designed this type 

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together with like some other 
incredible people, yet it cut 

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and like you could not buy this 
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It was just used by internally 
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And then there is this like 
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his business partner. 
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sell the type and he didn't and 
eventually agreed to sell his 

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quote of the company to to his 
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And the day his business partner
took over, all the type was 

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gone. 
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There were no molds. 
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apparently he condensed Anderson
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literally put types in his bag 
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at night after he left work. 
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the font, and for a while there 
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based on the dumps type. 
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have the metal type, so they 
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material, which is complicated 
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you press it. 
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moisture, type of paper and so 
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press is, for example, what's 
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So the secured salvage rights 
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found a bunch like literally on 
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that they had booked, they 
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type in the river, which is, 
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own. 
They find it like incredibly 

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beautiful. 
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kind is a thing of beauty, but 
it's very decentratic and that's

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why we don't use it for 
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that I it makes me so happy. 
We it was like, hi, here's an 

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incredible tangent of this 
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happened, but that that's 
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I'll definitely look up more of 
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But so, so one thing you said in
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me is 2012. 
I know you guys have been around

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for a while. 
I did not think it was. 

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It hurts me to say this that 
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yesterday to me because I again 
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But 2012 is a long time, 
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indie publishing scene. 
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in, in, in the, in the old days 
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spice. 
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It was the early days of Hulu 
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become more like a thing. 
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to say evolve, but there was 
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reconstruction and studying of 
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of the, of the church, there was
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read all that material and 
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not to keep. 
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like personally, something that 
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was like make magic more 
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And the magic is very 
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also very, in a way, powerful, 
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their effects. 
So spells don't usually last 

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long, for example. 
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that in every possible way. 
And for example, like you want a

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weakness with spell levels in 
Tony codecs, I deliberately push

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to have parallel spell casting 
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Oh my God, I made that with my 
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This, this is absolutely, you 
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opened it up to be like, wait a 
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this Is this much older than I 
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writing back in 2012. 
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somehow get their hands on 
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an amazing little box set. 
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as much money as I did to to get
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So this is a wonderful piece of 
a small press amazingness so. 

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And yeah, again, wonder we can 
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Codecs are like bizarre ways to 
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with thermalizations and in 
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direction we're going making 
making giving more tools to be 

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more useful to the wizard even 
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Because the wizard gives the as 
this thing where like often they

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do one thing that is very 
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Like wizard can save the party 
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Like they have this thing that 
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campaign or undo it, which is 
strong, but it's very rigid the 

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way the original design 
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Also, we're adding like 
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also is make magic more maybe 
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Safeway, but you can use more in
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So there is this bargain of 
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have like less spells than you 
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run out of them, you can still 
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But there is a price and it's 
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depending on the circumstances 
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magic you break. 
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set up the system for 
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There are several rules of 
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For example, 1 is that once you 
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tax you. 
So you might take damage or you 

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might get stunned for a period 
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Or like if you cast spells that 
you haven't learned and there is

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a chance that might go astray if
you cast you know these 

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circumstances every time you do 
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We also have to make a charisma 
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And if the charisma rule is 
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If the charisma rule fails, 
there is a catastrophe and there

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is like we are accumulating 
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I think it wasn't a weakened as 
there are 82 and they think 

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there are 100 in book of Gob and
those are for the moment enough.

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Yes. 
Yes, so, so lost pages, you said

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it started in 2012. 
Why lost pages? 

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Like what was the impetus for 
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Because it kind of sets the vibe
for a lot of what you guys do. 

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I got to step back a bit and I 
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I don't know if you remember the
platform Google Pages, but 

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basically it was a way to have 
your web pages hosted by Google.

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And there were very basic pages.
And my web page name was taken 

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by my favorite Indian adventure,
which is the lost color of 

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Soykan. 
So my e-mail also is 

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soykan@gmail.com. 
And so I made a page on the page

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called the Lost Pages of Soykun 
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of the blog and then it become 
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couldn't use Soykun. 
So I contact wordpress.com steal

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my blog address after I don't 
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So that's that's the reason Lost
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tone of Soykun misplacing his 
notes but also recovering old 

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spellbooks and old books. 
Yeah, no, it fits. 

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I I love it. 
It's so vibey. 

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It's interesting to be like, I 
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Like it just fits. 
It's great. 

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One thing that I've always 
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numbers, the numbers in the 
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So you number the issues of your
releases. 

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I think the earliest issue of 
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probably Cathodic Codex. 
This is issue 4, so I don't know

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what 1-2 and three are but. 
One, I'm sorry, yes. 

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No, go for it. 
No, please explain this. 

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No, no, this is. 
Just ask me. 

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Just ask me. 
So well, so then we'll get to 

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it. 
But some of some of the books, 

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though, are not numbered. 
They're like extra. 

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So this is issue 14, but I 
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monsters is like an extra 
numero. 

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Is that what it is like extra 
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What What's what's that? 
What's up with that? 

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Every numbered issue is an 
arcane book and it could be 

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there a spell book could be like
a book about portals like if 

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it's a hydra Alco could be like 
a book about a whale God like 

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genial drug. 
So issue 1 is programming a 

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Barocco, which is this weird 
spell book that we're going to 

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Kickstarter revised edition 
possibly later on this year. 

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And that's what this for your 
Society printer comes into. 

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And the 1st edition was a 
concertina book hardcover that 

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they bound myself. 
And it was about 20 something 

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pages. 
And it was meant to be a 

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vertical scroll, but then it was
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scrolls, 4 meters. 
And nobody has a wall that is 

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that tall in the house except if
you have stairs. 

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But then it's not easy to read 
all of it because it was made to

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be use of the table but also 
displayed all at once. 

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Books are these unfortunate 
thing where they are almost 

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impossible to be displayed all 
at once unless they're 

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concertina books. 
Back to the books. 

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So the first one is actually 
Programming Baraka by Roger. 

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Roger has this blog that has 
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than mine. 
It's called Rolls and Rolls and 

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rolls. 
And you put up these these 

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baroque spell and basically 
every spell instead of being 

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like, you know, these spells are
literally like a couple of 

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paragraphs that kind of dry the 
way they're written. 

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So Roger wrote spells that were 
one or two pages long with this 

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very atmospheric period public 
domain illustrations. 

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And so he was the first one that
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why don't we make a book with a 
spouse from your blog? 

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And so that's issue #1 and then 
the people that bought the 

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hardcover, it was only 
hardcover, like you could not 

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buy in any of the formal issue 
#2 is contraband. 

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As in like when you bought 
Cargamino Barocco, you got it in

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a box. 
Within the padding of the box, 

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there was a hidden compartment 
where a tiny spellbook of black 

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magic was hidden. 
And they wouldn't tell. 

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I would not tell people. 
Basically I made this like A7, 

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possibly A8 spellbook. 
With some truly horrible spells,

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one of them for example, it's 
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transubscation, which is 
transubscation is what happens 

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to the Holy Host and the wine 
when they become the flesh and 

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the blood of Jesus. 
And you cast the spell in Rosso 

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in reverse on somebody, so their
flesh becomes bread and their 

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blood becomes wine. 
And it's terrible. 

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You have basically 2 saves and 
one of them kills you and the 

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other one, I can't remember what
happens. 

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You take a lot of damage anyway.
And this is the possibly mildest

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if not like it's a bit blast 
rules, but whatever. 

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It was contraband. 
It was not even publicized, it 

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was there. 
You were technically not buying 

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it, right? 
The the purchase was not for the

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supply of a blasphemous book. 
It's raised for the supply of 

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Pergami, Morocco and the. 
Coalition I've ever heard that's

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the like that's the kind of like
artifact stuff that you have no 

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idea what I would do to find 
It's like I don't know if I've 

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ever like people have made 
awesome shit in this space right

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but if you if you said hey this 
is like the first thing that we 

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made and like there's a secret 
tiny book of blasphemous black 

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magic like secretly tucked away 
in it good luck if you found it 

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we told nobody might be the 
coolest shit I've ever fucking 

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heard and. 
And this was 2012 or maybe 2013 

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I can't remember. 
Anyway, that was number one and 

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two. 
Number three is Kefit Sahaderak,

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which is this book of portals. 
And it's like I played a lot of 

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I of the beholder when I was 
younger. 

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It's one of my favorite games I 
played. 

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They all the 1-2 and three. 
They all have a bunch of magic 

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portals and soon love the sheet 
of the magic portal. 

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I mean like a pamphlet about 
magic portal doesn't bring. 

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There is, then there is Tonic 
codex. 

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Then I believe there is Wonder 
of Wickedness, Marvel and 

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Madison's. 
I have a list. 

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I'm not sure you want me to read
the list. 

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I don't. 
Know no no. 

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I would like you to send me the 
list, but you don't have to read

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it. 
Like part of the plans to revamp

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the site is actually make a 
checklist, like a fancy 

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checklist that somebody can 
print and you know, Mark like 

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these fucking. 
Bucket list books. 

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Back at least from last pages 
and eventually like the plan is 

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to make them all available in 
print, but some of them were One

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of them was like promotional 
material for a convention. 

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Another was just like APDF that 
I made on the site and it was 

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meant to be part of a book 
binding tutorial because if play

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a wizard maybe you could bind 
your own spellbook and. 

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It's it's funny because I 
literally this week, like made 

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my own book. 
Like I got into a book binding. 

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I bought all the things and I 
put it together and sitting in 

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the other room like I finished 
it. 

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What's today? 
I think I finished it like 

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Sunday morning at like 5:00 in 
the morning. 

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I was like, it's a book. 
It's I'm going to do more to it 

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because I'm going to experiment 
with like, you know, in bands 

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and stuff like that. 
But I, I, I made my first book 

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and so you're like, oh, it 
started with book binding. 

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I'm like, is this where I'm 
going? 

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Is this my future? 
Because that would be completely

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OK with that. 
I kind of stopped because they 

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got like a mild anxiety about 
glue and ruining because I 

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ruined the badly a couple of 
books that they spent so much 

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time working on. 
And yeah, Tony Codex was either 

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in two editions, there was 
either the box set or 33 

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handbound Coptic books and all 
of them had different were 

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different. 
So there are different cover 

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materials, the different styles,
the different note work, the 

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different treads, there are 
different all of that stuff. 

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And I was hand stitching even 
headbands it's yeah, I have some

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pictures on the blog. 
Some of them had like papyrus 

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based on as cover material for 
example. 

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Some others had like fancy 
Japanese washing paper and bone 

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toggle to fasten it. 
Some other had a tread of 

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different color for every 
section. 

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Some other twine double collar 
in this peculiar binding you can

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do with Coptic with two threads 
and they're all alternating. 

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We don't expose. 
We don't expose not work on the 

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spine. 
I don't do that stuff anymore. 

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Well, I said I don't do that 
stuff anymore. 

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One hour ago. 
I just finished literally the 

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first video tutorial for book 
binding to put on the YouTube 

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channel. 
And it's about like stitching a 

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small pocket Zim, but you go 
through like folding the paper 

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from a folio. 
So from a folio you get to your 

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signature, then you stitch it, 
then you trim it. 

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Like, like that's all the 
techniques you'd need to make a 

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bigger book. 
So yeah, that's. 

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I I'm very excited. 
And and so you're saying that a 

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lot of this is you're going to 
like reprint and, and, and be 

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people like we'll be able to, I 
mean second editions. 

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It's not quite the same as like,
you know, the hidden black magic

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books, but I I would still, I 
would, I would. 

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There's a lot. 
Again, there's very little I 

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wouldn't do to get to collect 
all the lost pages. 

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So I I think, OK, I'm going to 
say it here and then I'm going 

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to never going to mention it 
again. 

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But for the Pagamino Barocco 
like actually adding the book to

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secret compartment in the book, 
it would cost the unit price. 

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It would raise the unit price so
much. 

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I don't even want to begin 
thinking about it. 

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What we're going to do is we're 
going to put like like printing 

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reverse a TinyURL, basically 
making an LG like an alternative

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reality game sort of, where 
eventually you can download the 

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PDF of the booklet and bind it 
yourself because again, it's too

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much work. 
Yeah. 

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Oh yeah. 
Yeah, I also the trick can be 

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done once like the second time 
is just like again what the I'm?

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Going to spend like the rest of 
my days now hurting down. 

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Yeah. 
I'm going to spend the rest of 

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my days hunting down an original
1, though. 

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And like, there's got to be one 
out there where someone, like, 

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has it and doesn't know that 
it's there at all. 

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Like find and buy it, like open 
it up and yeah. 

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The paperback edition has the 
spells in the back and 

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explanation of what we've done, 
and they're printed to scale. 

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So like basically a page has 
almost all the spells. 

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But yeah, good times. 
Yeah, I. 

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But yeah, other than editions 
were more like revising first 

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editions. 
I don't think that they have to 

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be to. 
I'm going to make them better, 

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but I'm not going to. 
And they're going to Polish them

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a bit more and might add some 
content, but it's not going to 

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be second edition. 
So I don't think that what we do

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need needs or actually is 
improved much by that kind of 

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treatment. 
Except like rule books. 

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Yeah. 
Oh. 

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Yeah, I meant more of like a 
second edition. 

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Is it like the? 
I mean like a print second 

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edition, not like a read Do the 
thing second edition, yeah. 

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Yeah, they're definitely coming.
I I you I you have no idea how 

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happy and excited and how I'm 
already thinking of saving like 

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so I can so I can get all these 
things. 

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I am because like even this like
as soon as I got the I honestly 

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think the first lost pages I got
was probably a book of God. 

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I saw, I saw this and then the 
second this arrived, I was like,

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well, I'm obsessed now. 
I have to find everything. 

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And that's when I haunted down 
like gathonic codecs and 

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everything. 
I mean, you do have a couple 

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print on demands and then 
obviously mock out of monsters. 

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I think I actually got mock out 
of monsters and then was like, 

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wait a minute, this is lost 
pages too. 

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So that was that was good. 
But but yeah, I mean, you know 

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it, it's eBay is a hell of a 
drug, I'll tell you what, but. 

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Most of those, well, maybe not 
the the box that said, but those

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are mostly available on free to 
demand. 

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Like I, I, I, I, I don't, I 
don't like that people profit on

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that. 
Like, OK, like the reason why I 

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don't do hard covers anymore by 
hand is because I, I physically 

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don't want to. 
But I don't believe that like 

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making a limited edition of a 
book has its own value. 

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Like that's just like gate 
hitting. 

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And that's why like, we're not 
going to do a paperback of gold 

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unless there is demand and we 
don't want to repent it because 

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it makes no sense financially. 
Like it's like, I don't like 

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making special 1st edition that 
you have to be there. 

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And actually like, I'd like, I 
would like regrets about making 

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the patch of Beyond the Pale 
there only for day one backers. 

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Like a couple of people pointed 
it out. 

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Yeah, that exactly. 
A couple of people pointed it 

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out and I was like, Oh yeah, I 
should not have done this. 

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This was dumb. 
They felt like a person was 

440
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like, yeah, I just feel punished
that it wasn't there and they 

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won. 
Now I just can't get the patch 

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and I'm like, huh, yeah, you're 
right. 

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Yeah, You know, that's an 
interesting take because like, I

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fully, I hear what you're 
saying, but I am the kind of 

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person who was like, if there's 
like a small run of something 

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like, and you, I'm the kind of 
person who likes that I missed 

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it years ago and then now gets 
to hunt it down. 

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You know what I mean? 
Like, of course I want it. 

449
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,560
But when I find out that it 
exists, I'm like, God damn it, I

450
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,960
I will search. 
I will search to the end of 

451
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,160
days. 
I will put it on my list. 

452
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,960
And when I actually find one of 
those, I'm, I'm, I'm very happy 

453
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,160
to be like, because Cathonic 
codex was not easy to find right

454
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,400
away. 
And eventually I found it. 

455
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,720
And that to me, like the 
dopamine hit I got from like, 

456
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,320
oh, I wanted this and like I 
missed it. 

457
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,160
But now I have it looks like a 
big thing. 

458
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,200
So I mean, there's definitely 
schools of thought on it, but 

459
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,040
from like from the producer 
side, not the consumer side. 

460
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,400
That's a great view to have from
yours where you're like, I don't

461
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,640
want people to miss out on my 
stuff. 

462
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,000
So here it is, you know. 
Yeah, it feels like it's 

463
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,520
gatekeeping you like, you 
understand what I mean? 

464
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,160
That's why I'm. 
Oh. 

465
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Yeah, absolutely. 
Absolutely, yeah. 

466
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:28,720
The hardcovers because one, I 
think it's time to I believe so 

467
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Pergamino Barocco had this thing
like the concertina book where 

468
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,560
it was made to be also a new 
word art. 

469
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,720
So it's, it's entirely written 
in a way as in like from within 

470
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,440
the world. 
And so when the players find the

471
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,680
spellbook, you are supposed to 
just like go like, and now you 

472
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,520
have it. 
And that's also something that 

473
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,680
we suggested with Gob and also 
something we suggest with the 

474
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,240
Book of the Night Wanderer from 
Beyond the Pale. 

475
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,840
One of the reasons why I did the
book binding tutorial is because

476
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,400
we recommend to hand over the 
Book of the Night Wanderer to 

477
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,840
players after we find it. 
I wish I had a copy of the Book 

478
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,880
of the Night Wanderer here. 
It's in the other room. 

479
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:26,880
And now I think like back in the
day, I did have the cache. 

480
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,480
No, no, I didn't have like I was
nobody. 

481
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,360
So if I said, hey, I'm going to 
make a handbound book that costs

482
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,440
a lot, but it's an it's like 
it's a played artifact. 

483
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,560
People will say, OK, then you 
become a publisher that says, 

484
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,160
hey, this file book, but it's 
going to cost a lot because it's

485
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,560
it's any word artifact people 
like, but now I'm big enough 

486
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,080
that I can justify a print run 
of that that is not that big. 

487
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,120
Like I have enough people 
following me that even if only a

488
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,040
small part of them buy the hard,
the fancy hard cover with a like

489
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,679
that is going to cost something 
like $2530 for 25 pages or 

490
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:15,080
something stupid like that. 
Given what it is, they might 

491
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,679
still be enough to justify 
printing a hard, a very fancy 

492
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:27,120
hardcover with gilted with a 
gilted title, a vignette like a 

493
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,760
stick on vignette in the middle 
of the cover, a butter paper 

494
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,480
wrap with printed seal. 
It's going to be a nice 

495
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,280
production. 
Yeah, I, I'm. 

496
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,280
I no, I can do it. 
I can do it again. 

497
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,440
Essentially I can do stupid 
books and wolf also with stupid.

498
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,880
Not stupid, but they're 
beautiful, amazing books. 

499
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,440
You just get to do fun, cool out
there things with it. 

500
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,600
But so you said Wolfwald. 
So so the new things. 

501
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,800
And you know, when we were 
talking about finally getting 

502
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,800
together, it was like, well, let
me get Wolf and be on the pale 

503
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,200
so I can have it when we do 
whatever and and I actually have

504
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,360
them. 
We have both Wolfwald, which is 

505
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,320
a gorgeous, beautiful box set. 
I have to say real quick for for

506
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,600
people out there, they make box 
sets. 

507
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,520
Please take this one into 
account because the the title is

508
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,640
on every edge. 
So however you decide to want to

509
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,040
put it on your shelf, you still 
get to see it when I get a box 

510
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,720
set. 
And then like there's like 

511
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,280
writing on one side but not the 
other. 

512
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,480
But it goes this way in America 
and this way in Europe. 

513
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,240
I'm like, no, please put it on 
the other one. 

514
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,400
So this is beautiful. 
And then this book is beautiful 

515
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,080
as well. 
Beyond the Pale, which very 

516
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,280
closely mimics the book of Gob 
in like the the style of the 

517
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,480
fabric and the embossing and 
everything like that. 

518
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,400
So these are your most recent 
outputs, one being from Yohai 

519
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,000
Gaul. 
How? 

520
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:55,000
How are these processes? 
I'm going to say We Beyond the 

521
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:02,720
Pale because it's easier. 
There was a trans bar here in 

522
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,880
Glasgow and it was a trans bar 
karaoke night. 

523
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,040
I was tipsy and I was steaming 
in the corner reading Twitter 

524
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:19,640
and Yokai for some amazing 
illustrations that I some of 

525
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,040
them, they were quite obscure 
and they recognized immediately.

526
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,840
Some other are were quite 
obscure. 

527
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,320
And I'm like, what the hell? 
And so I reached into no, what's

528
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,960
the expression? 
I slide into Yukai's DMS. 

529
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,160
I mean, we are Yukai. 
We've been doing each other for 

530
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,440
a while. 
So it's not like, it's not like 

531
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,520
I was just a rando. 
I think Yukai has literally 

532
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:51,480
every single thing I published 
and what happens? 

533
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,080
It was like, hey, that book is 
amazing. 

534
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,440
Like looks amazing. 
Can I have a copy? 

535
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,200
Do you have a publisher? 
It was like, no, it was like how

536
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:04,000
you do if you want and like 
literally this was May 2023. 

537
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:11,240
We kick start like we do the 
entire book production in six 

538
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:15,480
months. 
Like we layout editing, not 

539
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,360
maybe not editing, but layout, 
book design, whatever else in 

540
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,640
six months, start the Campaigner
in early December and we deliver

541
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,280
it early. 
Because actually doing that, a 

542
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,000
fancy hardcover like that is not
complicated. 

543
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,600
It's something we can do quite 
reliably. 

544
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,920
Woofold has been 10 years of 
development. 

545
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,640
I think I started working on 
Woofold when I was in Japan in 

546
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:50,840
2014, like on a trip 2014, not 
24. 

547
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,720
Yeah, that one. 
And I didn't think I was going 

548
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:59,440
to do a box set. 
But anyway, we went on and on 

549
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,720
and on. 
And I we hired Ross Nicholson to

550
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,760
do the math and then we hired 
Ross Nicholson to do the 

551
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,280
character classes. 
And then Ross Nicholson shed had

552
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040
structural damage. 
It rained on his material. 

553
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,560
So he lost all the classes, all 
the art that he did for the 

554
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,880
book. 
So it would have, it would have 

555
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:28,720
had even more rust art in it. 
And then what happened is that I

556
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,080
did the Kickstarter after Gob. 
The Kickstarter didn't do well 

557
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,160
for being what it is. 
I like basically almost nobody 

558
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:43,560
covered it. 
But for me, that was not a money

559
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,680
project for that. 
For me, that was like a love 

560
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:55,480
project. 
And eventually I got in like 

561
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,360
terrible, like abusive 
relationship. 

562
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,360
It took me a while to recover. 
That's why the Kickstarter was 

563
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,880
so late. 
Then we had some massive 

564
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,880
problems with the printer. 
Not to, no, not with the map, 

565
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,880
but just like with the books 
themselves. 

566
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,040
Eventually it shipped. 
And now that people have it, 

567
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,600
it's it's, it's selling well. 
I'm really happy about it. 

568
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,680
But that also went through a 
number of writing of parts. 

569
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:24,480
I did. 
I did a good amount of like 

570
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:30,360
development as in like working 
on the rules after they've been 

571
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,160
designed and nailed down 
etcetera. 

572
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,040
You basically hand them over to 
somebody else that checks for 

573
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,000
these things and these things 
that interact. 

574
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,360
Well, maybe we could provide 
them to be more, more similar or

575
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,640
more different or why do we have
these and not these for these 

576
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:53,560
two different things and so on. 
Mostly that was there for the 

577
00:39:53,720 --> 00:40:02,720
spell book and then I asked Lee 
to write some parts. 

578
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,640
I asked these two other things, 
like, for example, like more 

579
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,360
encounters for the campaign 
book, refresh out some of the 

580
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,680
monsters. 
We got an editor that is Arizona

581
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,720
Killea. 
She's an Irish. 

582
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,360
Doctor in the biblical reception
of Beetle. 

583
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,000
So not biblical in the literary,
In the literary reception of 

584
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Beowulf. 
And she collects Beowulf 

585
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,200
translations. 
She's doing her own. 

586
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,560
And she was incredibly 
delightful to work with. 

587
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,080
And yeah, Wolfeld has been a 
trick. 

588
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Not for the reasons that have 
anything to do with their 

589
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,880
physical, with the physical 
aspect of Wolfo. 

590
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,880
Like the box set, the map, the 
favorite booklets, whatever the 

591
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:09,800
the the text was the the origin 
of the problems. 

592
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,880
I mean the problems. 
It's like the publisher job, I 

593
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,080
guess. 
Like yeah, if if books were 

594
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,440
simple projects, the world will 
need publishers. 

595
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Right. 
You can just make your own, 

596
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,400
yeah. 
No, but I can make their own. 

597
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,080
They're fine. 
Yeah, but so it is this is I 

598
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,800
listen. 
So I recommend every lost pages 

599
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,160
thing, right? 
Like obviously, please go buy 

600
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,800
everything you possibly can from
lost pages so we can get more 

601
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,480
lost pages. 
But Wolf Wall is is fantastic, 

602
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,400
right? 
Like this is first of all, as I 

603
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,760
said, the box set is absolutely 
stunning. 

604
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,040
I will say the only, the only 
thing, the only thing that I 

605
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,840
think I'm missing at all is the 
covers are not in the PDFs. 

606
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,320
I would love to cover. 
I think I added last month. 

607
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,200
I'll just have to redownload 
because yeah, because the covers

608
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,680
are absolutely stunning. 
The art, the art on the cover of

609
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,080
the box, the art throughout the 
thing throughout their each one.

610
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,200
But like the art on the covers 
are are absolutely gorgeous. 

611
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,480
The map is stunning. 
I mean, this is a absolutely 

612
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,040
wonderful box. 
And it's interesting because 

613
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,000
like the way that beyond the 
pale came out and the way Wolf 

614
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,960
all came out, it like I, I got 
both in the same box, I think, 

615
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,040
like they both arrived. 
And I will say that it might 

616
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,920
have been the nicest smelling 
box I've ever had because the, 

617
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,840
the little bag of bits that came
with me on the pillows, like 

618
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,640
what what's funny is as soon as 
I got the box, before I even saw

619
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,840
the address and stuff on it, 
like I smelled cinnamon or 

620
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,080
something. 
I'm like, this has to be lost 

621
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,880
pages. 
This has to be the thing I'm 

622
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,120
waiting for. 
And then I open it up and and 

623
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,160
yes, in fact it it is and it's 
still it still. 

624
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,240
Smells wonderful. 
I forget about the the Ouija 

625
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,880
bag. 
Yeah, monster hunting bag. 

626
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,760
Yeah, there are spices and other
things in there I forgot. 

627
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:08,000
Oh yeah. 
I didn't think about like the 

628
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,920
the box without like a strange 
smell. 

629
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,680
Oh, yeah, no, that's, I mean, 
they had to go from from from 

630
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,120
Europe to over. 
But yeah, literally, I opened my

631
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:17,840
door. 
I pulled the. 

632
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Box they have a We ship them 
from the US. 

633
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,240
Oh where? 
Where did they ship from here? 

634
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,640
Sparewich. 
Oh, OK, no, I yeah, yeah, yeah, 

635
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,280
yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I remember now. 

636
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,720
I. 
Buy so much stuff from Spirits 

637
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,840
too that I'm like, Oh no, I know
what those look like. 

638
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:45,120
But yeah, with Jared over there.
Yeah. 

639
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,800
Yeah, that's, it's interesting, 
like I said, that they ended up 

640
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:55,920
coming out at the same time 
outside of those two projects 

641
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:02,240
that just drops and as you said,
like the the, we'll say reprints

642
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,040
of the older stuff. 
Is there anything that you're 

643
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,200
working on right now, anything 
that's going to be dropping 

644
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,320
coming out soon from those pages
that you're allowed to that you 

645
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:13,040
want to let us know about? 
South Friday, Saturday and 

646
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,240
Sunday, as in like the first 
weekend of September for those. 

647
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,960
I don't know why this episode is
going to come out. 

648
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,440
There is table tops and it's a 
local convention that's grown so

649
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,320
much and I absolutely love it. 
And every year I try to make a 

650
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,680
scene. 
Maybe it's an ashcan. 

651
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,360
Maybe it's a weird attempt. 
Like you have a copy of 

652
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,120
Beautiful Yet Loss there. 
That is part of it. 

653
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,240
That was for last year's 
Tabletop Scotland. 

654
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,600
It's beautiful, yet Losses is 
stuck in a weird place 

655
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:52,920
development wise. 
This year I'm I'm trying to make

656
00:44:52,920 --> 00:45:00,720
a Zen that is about Wizards 
before we had spells. 

657
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:09,120
So this is tied to the general 
vibes of Lost Pages. 

658
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:16,760
As a strange horror publisher, 
we don't really go for vanilla 

659
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,600
fantasy here, and usually the 
adventurers are breakfast and 

660
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,880
cannot escape, which are what 
makes fantasy and horror to 

661
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:32,000
different genres or else that 
would be the same essentially. 

662
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,280
Well, not not entirely, but like
a good part of it. 

663
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,760
And what happens is that there's
going to be 3 classes and their 

664
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:47,840
basis around the idea is that 
humanity has not found a way yet

665
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,040
to create magic weapons or to 
cast spells. 

666
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,360
And so there are three ways to 
solve the problem. 

667
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,640
The first one is basically a 
witch class, the cunning folk, 

668
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,000
and uses natural, what's called 
natural magic. 

669
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:06,920
So the hidden proprieties of so 
for example, if you're naked and

670
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,760
you wear a goat skin and you 
start to bleed, you change shape

671
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,680
into a giant goat, stuff like 
that. 

672
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:21,200
Or you learn to speak the 
language of of foxes. 

673
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,840
And if you wander around the 
forest and you meet a fox, they 

674
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,960
will always bring you to a 
hidden place. 

675
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,640
Could be good, could be bad, 
could be the bed of a dragon, 

676
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,680
who knows. 
And also they do herbalism. 

677
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,920
The second class is the 
exorcist. 

678
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:51,400
So we went straight to the 
source of Middle Eastern. 

679
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:59,920
By Middle Eastern I mean like 
pre Islamic mid Levantine magic.

680
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:06,280
So it was a time where 
Christianity, Judaism, classical

681
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,880
Greek religion, mutualism, they 
were all like blended together 

682
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:15,240
in like a post Hellenistic very 
complicated word. 

683
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:19,680
Also Egypt, let's not forget 
Egyptian magical religion and 

684
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,360
the old blended it was like it's
incredible. 

685
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:29,440
And essentially that is a strong
part of the like a strong base 

686
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,400
for all the development of Lake 
European magic. 

687
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:41,800
What happened there is that they
had exorcists and they would 

688
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,200
exercise diseases to heal people
and they would exercise demons 

689
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,520
to improve like mental health of
people. 

690
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,560
Or at least they tried. 
Like it didn't really work. 

691
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,480
And essentially I'm making, I 
made an exorcist class that can 

692
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,600
fix things by casting the demons
away or the spirits away, but 

693
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,760
can also bind demons. 
And you can also control demons 

694
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,000
and also summon demons. 
And if you make them a nice 

695
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,280
offering of incense and a line 
of salt, maybe you can bind 

696
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,800
demons. 
You can someone like, I don't 

697
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,520
know, Dukes of hell. 
Or maybe you can control and 

698
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:25,040
dance and make them do whatever 
you want or even like drop them 

699
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:30,320
into your items and at the point
you can channel their powers for

700
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,840
the item. 
So it's basically a Pokémon 

701
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,480
trainer with demons. 
OK. 

702
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,880
All right. 
And the third class is a 

703
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,200
Starsmit. 
So there is a Schmidt astrologer

704
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:50,680
that goes around and collects 
mentors and then uses them to 

705
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,440
forge magic weapons, as in like 
hammers them and forges them 

706
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,640
into magic weapons. 
There is this old mechanic that 

707
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,280
depending on the time of the 
night when they fell and 

708
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,160
depending on the orientation for
which they fell and the month 

709
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,800
they fall from a part of the 
Zodiac. 

710
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,000
And so there is this diagram 
that you fill in with the 

711
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,600
fragments and you calculate the,
the mental essences, the 

712
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,320
mobility, sorry, mobility, 
cardinal essences and the signs.

713
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,920
And depending on how well 
balanced they are, they have 

714
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,600
different magic powers. 
And with these, I'm like the 

715
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,280
first, let's say 2 tiers, there 
are plus 1 + 2 + 3. 

716
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,440
And you know, the basic DND 
magic swords like light or charm

717
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,440
or protection or not or 
whatever. 

718
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:42,520
But if you have enough in a 
single star sign, you can make a

719
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,200
unique sword. 
So for example the sword of the 

720
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:53,440
version, I don't remember what 
the name is, it has the powers 

721
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,560
of its element and also the 
strong power of its element. 

722
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,080
But it also has the power 
because Virgin is very much tied

723
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:09,240
with like perfection. 
You can roll 6 dyes every day as

724
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,520
a unique power for the world, 
and there are all plus three 

725
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:17,160
swords that for D&D is like the 
place to be like. 

726
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,080
There is nothing new to +3 
swords in traditional D&D, and 

727
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:26,640
it's also a lot of +3 to hit. 
But also when you forge them, 

728
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,840
you have to make a number of 
roles to forge them well. 

729
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:36,240
And if you forge, if you fail a 
role, you can either reduce the 

730
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:42,800
powers or make it intelligence, 
because intelligence in a sword 

731
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,680
is a curse on the barrier. 
Yeah. 

732
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,880
Yeah, so you could have a + 2 
sword that does a lot of stuff, 

733
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,200
or a + 3 intelligent sword that 
does way more things. 

734
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,160
Intelligent swords are also a 
curse to the GM too, because you

735
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,520
always forget to make him talk. 
But that's terrible. 

736
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,280
That sound, that sounds 
extraordinarily lost pages. 

737
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,840
I'm, I'm, I'm very, very, very, 
very, very excited for that. 

738
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,080
So God, I want to talk for like 
2 more hours, but I know our 

739
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,480
time is a little bit limited 
today. 

740
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,320
I have to though. 
I know, I know that we took 

741
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,520
months and months to get you on 
for this episode, but I promise 

742
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,960
that it won't take that long to 
get you to come on again. 

743
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,240
I is there. 
I would love to have you. 

744
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,360
I would love to have you back, 
especially once you start doing 

745
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,640
like the reprints and stuff like
that. 

746
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,480
Is if that's going to be a thing
that you want to talk about. 

747
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,120
I would, I would love. 
Oh yeah, if you would come back.

748
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,920
Anytime. 
Yeah, yeah. 

749
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,040
Listen, at this point, you know,
we're really peeling back on 

750
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,240
interviews so we can focus more 
on interviews. 

751
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,400
But people like you are open 
invitation. 

752
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,520
If you're just like, hey, how 
does October look? 

753
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,520
I'll be like, pick a day, I'm 
down, Just let me know. 

754
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Yeah, that's fine. 
We should do that. 

755
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,320
I, I, I, I'm super down, but for
so where, where can people, all 

756
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,880
the things we talked about 
today, where can people find 

757
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,840
those? 
Like if you're watching at least

758
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,480
on the screen, you'll see the 
website in the corner. 

759
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,440
But but where can people find 
all of the lost pages stuff? 

760
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,600
Where they where can they find 
you? 

761
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,840
So we have a generic homepage 
which is very bare and it's lost

762
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,000
pages.co.uk. 
The shop is at 

763
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:31,360
shop.lostpages.co.uk. 
We are on Blue Sky. 

764
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,960
I think I'm lost Pages or Lost 
Paulo there. 

765
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:41,200
I'm lost Paulo on Twitter and 
Lost Pages was taken already and

766
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,040
on Instagram my page is lost and
I'm trying to put some more 

767
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,400
content on Instagram because I 
feel it's a platform that has a 

768
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:55,320
bit more traction for our stuff 
and have a YouTube channel where

769
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,760
there isn't much. 
It's usually the place where we 

770
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,640
put our Kickstarter videos, but 
there's going to be a new video 

771
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,600
on the YouTube channel this week
and then going to have the link 

772
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,760
to the homepage. 
We also have a newsletter that 

773
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,080
goes out like 3-4 times a year 
for new titles or for 

774
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,120
conventions, things like that. 
Or before Lasagna Con, which is 

775
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,400
my local micro convention where 
I make 80 portions of lasagna 

776
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,040
and we play for an entire 
weekend. 

777
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,920
All the school stuff and board 
games. 

778
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:34,000
And the newsletter is at 
dream.lospages.co.uk and there 

779
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,000
will be all the links in the 
homepage and. 

780
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,200
Yeah, and, and just just like 
always, for those listening and 

781
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,400
or watching, I will remember as 
many of those links as I can and

782
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,480
make sure they are in all of the
descriptions below. 

783
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,360
So make sure you click on those.
Just got to say Paolo and and 

784
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,640
the Lost pages are one of my 
favorite publishers out there. 

785
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,240
Probably top two or three of the
people doing the things that I 

786
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,400
love the most. 
You know, people like people 

787
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,360
like lost pages games, 
omnivorous people that do it for

788
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,800
love and and make them so 
beautiful are are definitely up 

789
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,240
there, especially in this scene.
So I just want to thank you for 

790
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:10,480
making awesome stuff and thank 
you for taking honestly the 

791
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,400
months it took for us to finally
have this meeting. 

792
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,200
But I hope this is the first of 
many and I just want to say 

793
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,120
thank you for coming on. 
Thank you for having me. 

794
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,360
Thank you very much. 
I'll be up. 

795
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,600
I'll be back very soon. 
Awesome. 

796
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,600
So yeah, click on the links 
below, make sure grab some lost 

797
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,320
pages and we will see all of you
later. 

798
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,280
Bye. 
Bye.