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Hello and welcome to the Weekly 
Scroll Podcast. 

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My name is Ryan. 
And I'm getting drunk in 

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someone's apartment. 
And I'm WF Smith, author of The 

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Party Upon the Borderlands, 
among other things. 

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Barkeep on the Borderlands. 
For those in podcast land, you 

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can't see me waving this around.
Barkeep on the Borderlands. 

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Wow, this was absolutely 
fantastic. 

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I know last time we had you on 
was probably to talk about this 

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right? 
Amongst other things, but. 

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For sure, I can't remember if it
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stage or during the any 
campaign. 

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I had a few kind of times where 
like just messaging every 

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podcast and stuff I can get on 
and be like, hey, get me on I I 

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need the airwaves. 
But how? 

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How did how did those inies last
year work out for you? 

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We we got the gold and and best 
supplement, which strange 

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category because it's an 
adventure, but you know, the 

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Inies are doing their best to 
categorize things. 

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We're just happy to get the gold
medal. 

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Congrats. 
Yeah, or rather like 30 gold 

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medals. 
They they let me order as many 

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as I want. 
So I got them all for my 

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everybody who did any writing or
art or anything on it. 

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Son of a nice. 
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Well, I mean, because if you, if
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here for for it's literally just
filled with people, the number 

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of people like this is just a 
who's who in this space that was

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associated with this product, so
or this project. 

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So it was, it was cool to see, 
you know, all the way through. 

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You know, I think one of the 
obviously it's a fantastic 

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adventure, but the fact of that 
it's so cohesive for how many 

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people are on it, including the 
number of different artists and 

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stuff for it was phenomenal, 
which I assume you are the you 

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were the director of all of that
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So that was a fantastic. 
Job to her, yeah. 

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So I mean, that's the other 
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How do you get that many people 
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mark? 
It wasn't quite on time, but 

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that was mostly due to printing 
and not due to any of the 

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contributors. 
It's printing and shipping is 

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kind of a mess and, and probably
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a year or so ago. 
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really great. 
Everybody worked well together. 

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I think because most things were
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Like for the guest writers, they
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pretty similarly formatted. 
It wasn't just like, hey, write 

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something, go hog wild with it. 
It was like, here's kind of the 

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format you're going for. 
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creativity all over the page. 
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integrated it. 
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collaborative because I'm 
friends with pretty much all the

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writers. 
So like, ask somebody have like 

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a good idea. 
I was like, oh, that could that 

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could come in over here as well.
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of linking together. 
So yeah, it became very cohesive

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really quickly. 
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Really impressive. 
I mean it's a great project. 

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I mean everything about it was 
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Like reading, it's amazing. 
It is a high quality like large 

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Zine, all of like the 
peripherals that came with. 

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They're all like really 
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Like I have the coasters 
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I love the I. 
Did the same thing. 

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I was like, I know exactly where
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TRPG's are on the ground right 
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It's always like reorganized for
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But yeah, the coasters. 
Were great. 

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Very impressive and so why? 
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going over bar key because we're
we're transitioning, but also 

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the Indies is happening. 
So why do you think the Indies 

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put you guys in supplement last 
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I mean, here's The thing is you 
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also just strip any one of these
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So maybe. 
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of like why you were in 
supplement or? 

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No, the Indies I don't think 
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communications on like why 
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categories. 
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because especially if you read 
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mostly like rules and guidelines
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adventure, which is, you know, a
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And like, as you say, you don't 
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adventure. 
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like, this is a, you know, a 
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for any campaign. 
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I wanted to have kind of the two
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whole hog as an adventure or 
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steal it and pluck things. 
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definitely is also a supplement.
So I wasn't like to, to, you 

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know, you can't be too angry if 
it's a nomination for an award, 

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right? 
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like it's more of an adventure, 
but supplement works. 

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And so we we took that category 
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I'm blanking is. 
There an adventure category. 

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Yes, now there's now there's two
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Last year was just adventure and
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long form. 
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Right. 
Yeah, I like that actually. 

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In long form, yeah, because I 
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between A1 page adventure and a 
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And both are completely valid, 
you know, you know, go vote for 

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the bloom. 
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they're adapting. 
They're changing again. 

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Last year you got you, you, you 
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So you said when someone submits
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the innies or did someone submit
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I think you have to submit 
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send in like you have to send 
five physical copies to five 

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different addresses. 
It's not even like you sent it 

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to 1 central place. 
You have to individually mail it

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to every judge, which is a a 
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And you know, it's kind of like 
expensive, like if you don't get

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any sort of nominations, like, 
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some free copies, but. 
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Just how the these are run a 
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I definitely not like any 
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Oh no, we are definitely a not 
huge fans unless you're voting 

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for our friends, which I feel 
like the vast majority of the 

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community feels like especially 
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But so I, I kind of want to dig 
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innies and the process that came
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So like we, you nominate 
yourself, you send five out, you

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get the things like when do you 
guys find out at all prior to or

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do you find out when everyone 
else finds out when they're just

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pitching it? 
I find out whenever everybody 

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else finds out. 
So I, you know, get the I get, I

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get no like e-mail alert or 
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I think a friend just like 
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yo, any sort of albums, like 
immediately follow up, like, Oh 

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my God, we got it. 
So that's how I found out. 

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Same as everyone else. 
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of a little slap shot. 
Like even there's like award 

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videos if you don't go to the 
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Con to like physically accept 
your award and you have like 2 

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days to film like an acceptance 
speech, which people had super 

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high quality ones. 
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was the deadline was so like 
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should we have like one day we 
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stuff to make like green slime 
like Nickelodeon and and tried 

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to slime myself. 
We only had enough for one take 

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and it didn't quite because you 
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Choice Awards type of awards. 
The innings are since you have 

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for him. 
So that was just kind of my my 

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subtle critique, but I didn't I 
the slime like hit my ear. 

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It was it was like a historical 
event recently happened. 

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Yeah, I won't. 
It's so it's this close. 

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It was more awards are popping 
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You know, I really think that, 
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and I think people having 
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it's, it's really great Twin 
gold. 

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The medal looks very nice. 
But like you said, you sent 5 

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copies off. 
Maybe you'll hear back. 

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Maybe you'll have two days to 
print a thing that's great. 

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But like the crit awards and 
like all these other things are 

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popping up now as someone who 
has won an INNY, has someone 

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who's making adventures, as 
someone who's been blogging for 

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quite a long time, what's your 
general feeling about like all 

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these awards that are popping up
for our space and and the innies

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as well specifically too, 
because it is any voting season 

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right now for 2024. 
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I mean, my views always kind of 
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terms of awards. 
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like the more idiosyncratic 
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Like I know that the, the save 
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has the the Rammys that that he 
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the innings every year. 
I believe Throne of Salt has his

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own awards that he does every 
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idiosyncratic. 
I love those. 

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I started some awards myself, 
like I guess two years at this 

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point. 
They're called the Bloggies, 

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which are basically blogging 
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hoc that it was based on like 
some like tweet that was like 

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the worst tweets of the year. 
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that for the best blogs of the 
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So yeah, I'm, I'm I'm all for 
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emphasizing the innies. 
And they're not the like Academy

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Awards of, of RPGs that I think 
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also the, the industry's not 
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fledgling and kind of, you know,
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I'm, I'm cool with lots of 
different awards. 

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It's great to win an any, 
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trying to sell your stuff. 
It's a great marketing 

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opportunity basically. 
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opportunity, I don't think it 
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an artist because you, you know,
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Yeah, you're just gonna write 
award-winning in your in your 

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thing, and then nothing really 
changes a whole lot. 

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Yeah, you gotta. 
You gotta add to the bio. 

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You gotta add to. 
The bio gotta add to the bio. 

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No, the bloggies. 
Though I will say the bloggies 

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are great. 
I of all the awards specifically

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in the TRPG kind of plethora, I 
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are by far my favorite because 
every round I'm just like just 

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reading everything that comes 
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And like it was etic that ran 
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and the little cuts that they 
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the stuff for that were were 
fantastic. 

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I don't know Marshall Wan a 
bunch of those, but every every 

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one of those is really great. 
It's really interesting to see 

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how the votes go. 
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they're also kind of like split 
into different styles so that so

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many different styles of blogs 
weren't going through, but those

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are those were absolutely 
fantastic. 

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So, you know, good, good, good 
job getting those up and 

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running. 
Yeah, I like the tournament 

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style. 
I just, you know, it's like a 

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anime kind of tournament, as I 
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We're doing a shonen tournament 
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Tournament, you know? 
Yeah, perfect. 

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Yeah, so you were saying Hunter 
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Today we have a couple things to
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one that I'd like to start with,
if it's OK with you, is the 

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barkeep jam that you've going 
on. 

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Please illuminate us on this 
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Yeah, so it's been going on for 
about a month and it has a month

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to go. 
So we're kind of right at the 

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halfway point as as people are 
listening to this and the idea 

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behind it is basically the 
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adventure we're talking about. 
I, you know, kind of opening up.

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I made a third party license, 
which is pretty robust for 

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people to use any of like the 
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and stuff. 
If you want to make their own 

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bars for kind of barkeep or even
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crawl. 
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quality could kind of plug into 
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make your own solvent for our 
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people can just kind of put out 
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Yeah. 
Love that any it's a favorite 

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project so far. 
Favorite submissions so far? 

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I so I've seen more so I, I've 
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people kind of like putting 
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So there's a lot that I know are
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I think there's only been like 3
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two are actual kind of pubs, one
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then the other one. 
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a, a dungeon crawl kind of like 
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be used for any bar and it's 
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cellar of any bar. 
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having the social adventure and 
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you know, the classic dungeon 
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throw this in in the middle of 
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So it's supplement in that way. 
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a Lovecraftian kind of religious
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seeing kind of what more about 
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it. 
Sounds great. 

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I have a new table. 
I have a new table that I'm 

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running and we're fishing for 
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So it'd be really cool to run a 
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dimensional dungeon crawl 
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they enjoy that, yeah. 
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this oh, sorry, oh, sorry to 
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barkeep, you know, like you blah
blah blah blah, you go. 

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You first. 
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yeah, the bark Bark keeps a good
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running something and you don't 
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you just want to toss one bar 
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everybody needs a pub every now 
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You don't want to prep that pub.
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are pre pepped and then after, 
after this jam, hopefully you'll

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have a lot more than 20 that you
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Yeah. 
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there are three fully submitted 
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like how, how many, how many of 
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around a little bit? 
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maybe 6:00 or so that I've seen 
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on. 
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most things get kind of worked 
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my eyes. 
And, you know, definitely people

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who are not my discorder also 
obviously welcome to do it. 

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That's why I'm, you know, going 
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people about it. 
But like, for instance, one 

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person is doing like a Fight 
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like Waffle House, which is a 
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know, experience usually towards
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So I'm looking forward to, to 
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Yeah, there's a few that are are
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because you know, they have two 
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often times wait until you know 
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but they want to use all the 
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I mean Bargee Death certainly 
was took longer than two months 

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to make so. 
Yeah, I get it. 

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You want to put out something 
like especially if you like 

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really enjoy, like the the space
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people around you and you're 
like, yeah, I'm really into 

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this. 
Like you want to put out the 

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thing that's the best quality 
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So I'm sure there'll be the like
the last week here is going to 

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get buried in submissions for 
that, but that'll be really 

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cool. 
I'm I'm really excited to see 

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what comes out. 
I I love James. 

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I love watching other people 
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ideas. 
And I think the way you said 

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bars and barkeep is so easy to 
replicate and make it your own 

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and fit to format. 
Yeah, you did a really good job 

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with that. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Well, I'd I'd heard the reason 
kind of the, the thought process

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behind doing this, James. 
I had multiple people who were 

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kind of like, Hey, I'd like to 
make my own, you know, bar for 

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this. 
Could I do that? 

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And of course the answer is 
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Like you didn't need to wait for
me to put out a license like 

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I'm, I don't have even if I 
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you for, for making a supplement
which come out with me, which 

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why would I that's that's great.
I'm not able to do that. 

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So like you've always been able 
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just want that extra permission 
structure that a jam represents 

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and I'm happy to kind of give as
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possible. 
So I was like, here's a jam, do 

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it during this. 
Here's a license that's going to

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be, you know, ongoing. 
So you can even if you have the 

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jams over, you have an idea for 
a bar or, you know, even the 

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entire points crawl structure. 
I have all like the, the point 

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crawl and the the drinking rules
text. 

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All of that is added into the 
license. 

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So somebody comes along and 
they're like, I have an idea for

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like my own kind of pub crawl, 
point crawl adventure. 

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I it doesn't, I don't want to be
set where like barkeep is set. 

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I want it to be like its own 
thing. 

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You can still steal a framework 
and just, you know, make this a 

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new type of, you know, adventure
type because there's, you know, 

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lots of hex crawl adventures, 
lots of dungeon crawl 

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adventures. 
Obviously the pub crawl is a bit

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more new. 
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people that permission structure
to steal the framework use of 

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whatever they're working on. 
That's really cool and I really 

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appreciate the fact that this is
like a it's really a social 

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adventure, which I you see less 
of those than you do. 

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Go to the dungeon, kill the 
thing and get the thing. 

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Do do you see yourself making 
more like socially based 

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adventures like as you continue 
forward? 

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Definitely. 
But also I kind of think of all 

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adventures need to have that 
social component. 

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It's not just kind of like 
factions and the dungeon. 

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But to me, what's really fun 
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like combat and things like 
that. 

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I'm just less interested in that
as kind of an adventure writer 

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and as a designer, you know, 
sometimes I do kind of like to, 

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to meddle in like mechanics and 
stuff. 

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Whenever I'm writing an 
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me is the personalities, the 
conflicts, and even even playing

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the game, half the time I'll 
have a session where there's no 

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combat going on. 
But I don't think I've ever had 

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a session where there's been no,
you know, flirting or 

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investigating or threatening or 
like there's, there's always 

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something social going on, 
right? 

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That's like kind of the bread 
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games that I run. 
And if there's combat, if people

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solve their problems with 
violence, that sometimes 

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happens, but they're always 
solving with words or or making 

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the problems worth worse with 
words just as often. 

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Very funny. 
Yeah, I so I had something. 

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Oh, so when you were writing, 
one of the things that you that 

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when I was saying that you had 
talked about too, was that the 

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format of the bars, First of 
all, you said those it made it 

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easier for writers to just be 
able to write what they wanted 

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to write as opposed to like 
having to come up with on their 

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own. 
But when that original kind of 

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format was happening, had you 
thought about after the game was

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out, like was, was letting 
people hack, not letting people,

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but like the thought that people
might want to, was that also a 

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thought when you were doing the 
format for it? 

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Or was it mostly just for the 
book and for the writers and 

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things like that? 
I would that format initially 

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just because that's I'm such a 
fan of like random encounters as

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a tool. 
I'm such a fan of kind of 

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procedures. 
And so even if I was putting it 

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together initially, I didn't 
know that I would have guest 

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writers. 
That was kind of a stretch goal 

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for the campaign. 
Like if the campaign had only 

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raised like, you know, $2000, 
which may very well make could 

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have not have been, I would have
felt like success to me. 

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It would have just been things 
that I had written and it would 

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still have been the same format.
It was just because the campaign

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did well that I, you know, 
brought on 10 friends to write 

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their own bars and they used the
same format. 

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But it definitely, it wasn't, if
it was a consideration, it 

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wasn't one that I was like, you 
know, my, my waking brain was 

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aware of that. 
It was like an easy to kind of 

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replicate format any more than 
it was like more of a format for

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as easy As for me to make 
something kind of because I, I 

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knew for sure I had to make at 
least 10 bars myself. 

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And so I wanted some kind of 
format that it's like it needs 

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to be two page spread and I, I 
hate page flipping whenever I'm 

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at the table. 
So I, I wanted to kind of be 

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contained within that. 
At the same time, I want lots of

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nuance. 
I want it to be a kind of a 

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full, you know, a, a bar you 
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row and different things happen.
And that's tough to get all down

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in that limited space. 
And so that format was just 

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something where I was able to do
that and also fit it with a 

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larger procedure. 
Love that. 

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We love not having flip pages by
the way. 

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Thank you for that. 
Love it. 

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Love a useful thing for the 
table, really great. 

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A book designed to be used 
effectively as a book when 

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you're at the table. 
That's crazy. 

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If only more people would do 
that and just remind people it 

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did raise more than $30,000 and 
well, well deserved for that. 

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Again, the project is fantastic.
The number of people in it are 

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fantastic. 
And then obviously you want the 

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coveted, as we've talked about 
already, gold Amy for it. 

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So really the. 
Legendary. 

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Right. 
Are there thoughts of more for 

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this beyond the GM? 
So real quick before you answer 

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that question, 'cause I would 
say the GM is fantastic. 

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I love, I fucking love game 
jams. 

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I think a lot of people really, 
I know people that have started 

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making more things in this space
because they for the first time 

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they did a project, they did a 
little jam thing and they 

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realized it could take it 
further. 

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So that's fantastic. 
But what's in it for me section 

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at the bottom of me, it's really
fantastic too, where it says if 

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there are enough participants, 
potentially it could be put 

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together as a compilation and 
published and put out. 

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So first of all, that's cool. 
So I wanted to ask you about 

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that. 
And then second the try and 

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transition to. 
Is there going to be more beyond

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potentially this compilation? 
So the compilation I do want, as

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long as you have, as long as 
there's enough entries and I can

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kind of reach out people and 
like, hey, would you be willing 

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for me to pay you money and me 
publish the thing yard written, 

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which I feel like most people, 
the answer is, yeah, go ahead 

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and do it. 
So as long as I can get a couple

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of those and put them together. 
Yeah, I'd like to kind of print 

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a few of those because I think 
that there's definitely people 

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would like to have extra bars 
because Barkeeper has done 

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fairly well. 
So and even having, you know, 

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six extra bars or 10 extra bars,
I think would really kind of 

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make the adventure sing even 
more than it already does. 

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So that's definitely something I
don't know if I want to like 

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expand on it directly myself 
later on. 

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I kind of want to move on to 
kind of my next adventures. 

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Some might be setting the same, 
you know, fantasy milieu, kind 

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of maybe the same setting, maybe
some like kind of hidden 

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connections or like subtle 
connections. 

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But I think that's like a. 
Reference. 

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Yeah, that that's, that's 
probably as close as I'll get. 

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I'm probably going to keep 
moving on to, to bigger stuff. 

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Is the aim bigger And I guess 
smaller stuff, I mean, and 

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occasionally smaller stuff. 
But you know, I always have the 

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00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,760
the mountain I'm climbing and I 
keep getting as distracted as I 

448
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,360
climb. 
Yeah, you working on your 

449
00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,000
fantasy heartbreaker system 
right now? 

450
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,160
I'm I'm always working on my 
fantasy heartbreaker that kind 

451
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,840
of started it all during the 
pandemic. 

452
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,080
And that's probably going to be,
it's going to be like Break, 

453
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,640
which is that's one that is 
nominated for the Indies and 

454
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,920
it's definitely a deserved one 
for people who are looking for 

455
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,520
something to vote for. 
That one I think took like 10 

456
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,280
years or like 11 years in 
development. 

457
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,760
Took a took a little bit, a 
little while. 

458
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,160
That's so prismatic Wasteland is
kind of my like post apocalyptic

459
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,240
science fantasy game that's 
probably going to take like a 

460
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,280
similar amount of time just 
because, you know, I'm doing 

461
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,840
this kind of part time and I 
also I'm constantly distracted 

462
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,760
and constantly working on other 
things. 

463
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,240
But also I want that to be a 
large, I mean, it's going to be 

464
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,120
a large project kind of box set.
And so I want to, you know, kind

465
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:15,960
of slow steps. 
Like, my first thing ever was 

466
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,960
like a little pamphlet 
adventure, and then I did a Zine

467
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,720
hoping my next one will be maybe
like a hardback book. 

468
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:27,000
And so kind of slowly biting off
slightly larger pieces of the 

469
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,680
elephant until I can swallow the
whole thing. 

470
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,160
That's the goal. 
Big Rock Candy Mountain? 

471
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,840
Is that the your? 
Big Rock candy hex crawl. 

472
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,400
Yeah, big rock candy hex crawl. 
Sorry I would mountain, but very

473
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,960
great go so great. 
Love some leftist folky jams. 

474
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,440
So yeah. 
I mean, that's a great way to do

475
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,320
it too. 
You know, we've seen people, 

476
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,080
obviously we back a lot of 
Kickstarters here on the show 

477
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,560
and we've talked about 
Kickstarters a lot. 

478
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,280
And when someone just. 
Yeah, not as much as they used 

479
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,000
to. 
Actually, I used to spend 45 

480
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,320
minutes an episode. 
But we try to spend less money 

481
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,640
now. 
But one thing that we've noticed

482
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,840
is projects that come out of 
left field and people that have 

483
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,720
never done anything trying to do
like a $60,000 box at and it 

484
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,840
does not work. 
So being able to put stuff out, 

485
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,680
get your name out there, build a
following, build, you know, even

486
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,280
beyond like your blogs, which 
are fantastic, like having 

487
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,400
things like Bar Key, being an 
any award-winning writer and 

488
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,120
everything like that as you 
slowly like get through through 

489
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:24,840
all the processes. 
Such a fantastic way to do it. 

490
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,400
So when you finally do get to 
the big project, people know you

491
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,360
and you know how to print and 
mail a hardback book and all 

492
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:33,280
that. 
That's a really, really 

493
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,240
fantastic way to do it. 
I wish, I wish more people would

494
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,880
do it that way if they could. 
But that's that. 

495
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,360
That just gives me confidence 
that when it drops that I know 

496
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:45,160
that it'll be done and I'll 
actually get it, you know, which

497
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,000
is nice, yeah. 
Hopefully it's a little better 

498
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,280
for the backers because they can
have that kind of sense of of 

499
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,120
confidence, but also it's just 
also better for the creators. 

500
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,720
So like if anybody's listening 
and it's kind of, you know, 

501
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,200
maybe thinking about becoming, 
you know, writing their own 

502
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,760
tabletop RPG stuff. 
I think something small, I mean 

503
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,520
like like a game jam is kind of 
an ideal first step. 

504
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,520
Like don't even think about like
something that is a printing 

505
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,360
product. 
Be like, what can I make that's 

506
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:11,120
like APDF that I can like put on
it or drive through RPG and just

507
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,400
like see if people like like it.
And, you know, maybe 100 people 

508
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,040
will download it and that's 
actually really good. 

509
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,200
And then kind of go on from 
there. 

510
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,320
And and that was on your next 
project and be like, Oh yeah, 

511
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,200
I've done stuff before. 
I do this like little project 

512
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,320
and you can link to it and you 
know, you're like the little 

513
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,720
snowball kind of rolling down 
the hill and eventually you'll 

514
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,400
be a snowman. 
We're all we're all getting 

515
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,440
there. 
But start small is kind of my 

516
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,920
advice for any nay center or 
wannabe creator. 

517
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,160
You heard it here first, y'all. 
Prismac waistline is the next 

518
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:42,080
the Wattsy you know it's. 
Coming, it's coming. 

519
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,120
So beyond Barkeep, I know we're 
talking about a couple other 

520
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:48,680
things today. 
We have so I have two tabs here.

521
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,720
You tell me which one that I'm 
going to click on, and we have 

522
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,880
The Trouble in Paradisa and 
Willy Wonka's Authentic. 

523
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,560
Interactive extravaganza. 
There you. 

524
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,240
Go my tab is too short. 
Let's talk about Trouble and 

525
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,920
Paradisa first, just 'cause it 
kind of connects to our our, our

526
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,600
conversation about jam. 
So this is actually for a jam 

527
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:14,280
that finished today called the 
the 2024 Summer Lego RPG Setting

528
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,120
Jam, which my friend Ann Hunter 
at the DIY and Dragon's blog who

529
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:21,040
also wrote on Barkeep, hosted 
this last month. 

530
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,560
And it got like a number of 
really good missions. 

531
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,440
Basically the idea behind this 
jam was take some Lego set or 

532
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,880
Lego sets and make some gameable
RPG thing out of it. 

533
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,880
Like for instance, Josh 
Mccrawell, the Rise of Comus 

534
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,800
blog, who also did His Majesty 
the worm. 

535
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,680
He did like a full like hex 
crawl, like a giant hex cross 

536
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,360
setting with all the various 
like medieval castle Lego sets. 

537
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,440
I went a little loud of Lafitte 
like most people kind of going 

538
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,640
to do like space or castle or 
pirates or kind of one of those 

539
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,280
like very classic kind of genres
that Lego and RP GS kind of well

540
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,600
trod. 
I chose Paradisa, which is like 

541
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,160
a a a small theme from the 90s 
that was aimed at like girls 

542
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,360
mostly themed around like the 
beach and riding horses. 

543
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,240
I had a set as a kid. 
They're all like kind of like 

544
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,520
these pink pastel sets and I 
turned it into like. 

545
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,880
Kind of city builder kind of 
thing, or like, yeah. 

546
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,560
Yeah, yeah. 
They're like a subcategory of 

547
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,400
city. 
And it was like all beaches, all

548
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,040
like resorts and stuff like 
that. 

549
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,880
And I took those and I made it a
murder mystery, kind of like 

550
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,120
White Lotus, the TV show. 
Sick. 

551
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,800
Oh I wanted to love White Lotus 
so bad. 

552
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,080
I don't know why I just hated 
every second of it, but they 

553
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,960
just gave me such like a like a 
Zing. 

554
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,160
Oh, I tried to hide it and I 
didn't do well so I just had to 

555
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,480
say what it was. 
This is giving me Lisa Frank a 

556
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,400
bit too. 
Yeah, the the sets definitely 

557
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,520
have like very Lisa Frank. 
I mean, it's that error, right? 

558
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,760
Like I think like, yeah, early 
90s, that's kind of that was a 

559
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,480
big era for, for Lisa Frank kind
of binders and stuff That that 

560
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,240
was who their target demo is. 
It's less a target demo for me 

561
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,000
because it is. 
I added the murder component. 

562
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,320
Those were not original to the 
sets to my knowledge. 

563
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,600
I don't think they had any 
murder. 

564
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,080
But I, yeah, I've, I've not 
playing as usually not, I mean, 

565
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,480
the way I played with them 
personally, lots of murder, but 

566
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,320
I don't think that that was 
officially in the set. 

567
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,240
So, yeah, I took a few sets, 
kind of made a murder mystery 

568
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,520
out of it. 
It's it's very much kind of 

569
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,160
another social adventure. 
It's system neutral. 

570
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,960
You know, the idea is that 
you're a detective trying to 

571
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,520
solve the murder. 
And it's this interconnected 

572
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,400
kind of web of relationships 
between the staff and the people

573
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,600
at the resort and they all kind 
of their their own relationships

574
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,480
and issues with each other. 
And you're kind of untangling 

575
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
this web as you start, like 
investigating the the evidence 

576
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,400
and interrogating people. 
That's awesome. 

577
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,120
I love that you like, I love 
that there's like other people 

578
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:47,000
doing like, yeah, they're doing 
the castle hex crawl and like 

579
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,440
the space stuff. 
And you like really drew from 

580
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,080
like your childhood personal 
experience and like, oh, these 

581
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,000
sets, like I very much have 
memory of them. 

582
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,080
And you innovate on them to be 
like, yeah, to beyond the 

583
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,480
actual, like, visual of the set.
It's not like this great murder 

584
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,200
mystery. 
Yeah, I I definitely like I 

585
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,280
didn't play with these sets of 
time. 

586
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,640
I did have them, but like the 
way that I played with sets was 

587
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,920
like so like IP focused, like a 
Star Wars had like the Legos 

588
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,600
just came out and rose a kid. 
So a lot of that. 

589
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,680
But there's one Blogger, Ian at 
the Benign Ground Beast, the way

590
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,920
he did his jam entry was more 
someone how I actually played as

591
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,200
a kid. 
It was like basically just a 

592
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,120
mish mash of like, you know, IP 
stuff. 

593
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,680
And not because he's like, I saw
Star Wars as a kid, but like I 

594
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,320
wasn't super familiar with it. 
So like, I wasn't sure what 

595
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,400
Darth Vader was. 
I, you know, just put a skull 

596
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,120
hat on him and it was like, it's
Darth skull. 

597
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,680
And it's like, yeah, that's 
basically how I did it as a kid.

598
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,440
It's hard to get back in that 
creative mindset, though. 

599
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,600
As an adult. 
You're just like, I don't know, 

600
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,080
it's, it's, it's tough to get 
out of this. 

601
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,920
The binders that that you get in
over the course of adulthood as 

602
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,400
a mix of genres. 
It's, it's crazy. 

603
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,080
I, you know, it's weird how I 
was randomly thinking about that

604
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,440
the other day and I was just 
like, when you're a kid, you're 

605
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,400
just a goofball. 
And then if you're like an adult

606
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,760
doing like kids stuff, like 
people like what is wrong with 

607
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,760
that guy? 
And it's just like, I feel like 

608
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,560
a lot of it could just comes 
under the social pressure of 

609
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,320
just not being seen as weird and
that sucks. 

610
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Yeah, there's, there's 
definitely a lot of things that 

611
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,960
everybody kind of is like, man, 
I wish I could tap into that 

612
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,640
childlike innocent, but at the 
same time children are like, 

613
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,400
man, I wish I could be an adult 
and pay taxes and you wouldn't 

614
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,520
do jobs. 
Like, no, you don't. 

615
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,040
But like, it's always both both 
ways. 

616
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,360
It's just like, man, you don't 
know how good you have it on 

617
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,080
both sides, which I, I think is 
great. 

618
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,240
Nobody's happy. 
Nobody's happy. 

619
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,880
It's fantastic. 
That's awesome. 

620
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,440
That is life. 
You're never happy You were a 

621
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,640
Lego kid. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

622
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,080
I'm actually on like while we're
talking about this, I have 

623
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,880
legos.com pulled up 'cause I'm 
like, man, I bet I could give me

624
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,960
an Abigail set and we could play
some Legos. 

625
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,440
Man, that sounds awesome. 
I'd love to find like I like the

626
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,560
I like the prettier, like pastel
color, like the sets for girls 

627
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,840
stuff. 
I, I visually really love stuff 

628
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,080
like that And find me one, you 
know, how about you, Ryan? 

629
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,280
No, I never touched a single 
Lego as a kid. 

630
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,440
Not a single one. 
Yeah. 

631
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,320
And like all this whole 
conversation, like I had a ton 

632
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,560
of toys and action figures from 
different like IPS that I mixed 

633
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,400
together and like, I was a weird
kid. 

634
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,200
I'm weird now. 
I played with those kids, those 

635
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,320
toys until I was probably too 
old to be doing so. 

636
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,640
So I I love it. 
Yeah, I feel. 

637
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,360
Like, most people probably 
played with them longer than 

638
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,680
they were supposed to, which 
means that like we, nobody did. 

639
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,720
Everybody was playing with. 
The Yeah, we're all doing. 

640
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,360
It again so not not doing Legos 
though. 

641
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Your parents must have saved so 
much money. 

642
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,560
I bet, Yeah. 
I mean, I can only, I can only 

643
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,520
assume they just didn't want to 
like, spend money and, and and 

644
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,200
give me nice things. 
But like, I, you know, I was, I 

645
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,960
was a reader as a kid. 
Like I read like I got in 

646
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,000
trouble like almost every day 
because they'd committed 2:00 in

647
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,240
the morning and it's like a, a 
flashlight under the blanket and

648
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,080
I'd get yelled at school falling
asleep because I just read all 

649
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,320
night long. 
So like my parents like would 

650
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,440
literally like it got to a point
where I was like going to 

651
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,680
farmers markets and they knew 
me. 

652
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,520
So while they would just like 
hand me a box of books and say 

653
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,360
bring it back in two weeks and I
would just like bring it back to

654
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,880
them. 
So like, I think that's where a 

655
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,320
lot of the time I, I did went 
for that because I didn't even 

656
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,240
really have like a ton of action
figures or anything like that 

657
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,080
either. 
I also have like blocked out 

658
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,400
like 90% of my childhood. 
So maybe I didn't, I don't know.

659
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,280
I had, I had Thundercats 
underwear. 

660
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,960
I'll always remember that, you 
know? 

661
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,960
But that's, yeah, I just was 
never a Lego person. 

662
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,480
You know, it's interesting too, 
because like, you know, all of 

663
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,840
us millennials, I feel like 
we're just reliving the 

664
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,640
childhood we didn't get from our
Gen. 

665
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,200
X parents, who for some reason 
Gen. 

666
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,160
X doesn't get beat up as much as
they should. 

667
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,360
But we're just like adults 
reliving our childhood to all 

668
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,280
the people are just like, let me
find the Lego sets that I had 

669
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,480
when I was a kid so I can just 
do them as an adult, which is 

670
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,640
completely valid point to have. 
I just wish I had things to 

671
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,400
enjoy as an adopt I guess. 
I If you look behind you on your

672
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,520
bookshelves, you will see the 
things you have used to fill in 

673
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,600
that space. 
Your adult. 

674
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,160
There we go. 
This is. 

675
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,160
This is. 
I think that this this jam idea 

676
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,480
is incredibly creative. 
Shante and Hunter that was it's 

677
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,600
a great idea. 
I it's cool seeing everyone's 

678
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,320
submissions. 
I'm excited to go through them 

679
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,840
in in deeper measure later, but 
moving on to our our next thing 

680
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,280
I really want to ask about 
because it looks absolutely 

681
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,760
ridiculous and I love insanity, 
especially on the end of the 

682
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,920
Willy Wonka Authentic 
Interactive Extravaganza. 

683
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,440
Please, I'm dying to know more 
about this project. 

684
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,040
So you guys, y'all are on 
Twitter so you probably already 

685
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,880
or maybe remember this, but for 
the benefit of your audience who

686
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,200
might be less online. 
Like early, early in the year, 

687
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,920
there was this thing in like 
Glasgow, Scotland where there 

688
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,840
was like this horrific AI 
generated like Willy Wonka 

689
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,520
knockoff thing for children that
they had done where they're 

690
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,760
like, you know, they sold it as 
like a Willy Wonka experience. 

691
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,880
But it was like a just a bear 
like warehouse with like 

692
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,800
underpaid actors with like, you 
know, each child got a Jelly 

693
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,640
Bean or something like that. 
And it was like for some reason 

694
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,000
went viral. 
I think like TikTok was 

695
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,040
involved, but it was just like 
this disastrous thing brought on

696
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,640
by AI. 
And whenever that happened, I 

697
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,920
was kind of joking with some 
friends about how like that 

698
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,920
warehouse could actually make 
like a pretty cool adventure. 

699
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,320
And we're like, they're like, 
well, I think one, I can't 

700
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,480
remember who is one person like 
just like wrote a little room 

701
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,680
that they would like put in a 
Willy Wonka AI adventure. 

702
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,680
And then we all did it. 
And then we just put it all 

703
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,080
together and turned into a 
dungeon crawl. 

704
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,040
It's actually pretty playable. 
I actually ran this for a couple

705
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,880
people and it was a weird 
adventure, but like it is a 

706
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,680
fully functional dungeon crawl 
and it's it's very much like a 

707
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,720
mocking, like the concept of AI,
kind of like a lot of people are

708
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,000
doing their best parody of like 
what AI would would create. 

709
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,040
But obviously no AI is used 
because like we're very this 

710
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,360
group is, as are I think most 
kind of writers and artists in 

711
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,080
in our space are pretty against 
the use of artificial 

712
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,960
intelligence, or at least these 
uses. 

713
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,920
I mean, there's uses that are 
fine, like reading an article so

714
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,480
people with, you know, with 
disabilities can more easily 

715
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,720
access news. 
That's fine making art and stuff

716
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,320
and just basically slawk and 
filling drive through with it 

717
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,600
less fine. 
So this that's what this is, is 

718
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,360
kind of making fun of that. 
But also it's just a a crazy 

719
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,639
candy adventure. 
It's very dark actually. 

720
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,199
Just. 
Like an event, actually, because

721
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,600
it was a little horrifying. 
Yeah, I know you guys can't see 

722
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,480
it if you don't have the thing 
up, but I I brought up ABBC 

723
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,520
article and and scrolled through
some of the pictures and yeah, 

724
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,199
it's great. 
It's exactly what you think it 

725
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,840
is. 
And I mean from a mile away, you

726
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,520
can tell that's Hodag art right 
there. 

727
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,800
So I mean, the people that you 
have on this like art from Hodag

728
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,040
photography from Nova playful 
void, another fantastic blog, 

729
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,520
Marsha B from the Traverse blog,
who is now leaving the TTRBT 

730
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,000
space to move on to, to other 
things after dominating the 

731
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,120
bloggies and and then editing 
from you. 

732
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,360
Great, great list of people here
for for kind of a joke project. 

733
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,760
But I like I love that it's like
a joke you take seriously 

734
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,920
because it's really cool. 
So that's really neat. 

735
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,960
Yeah, One note about the the 
cartography that that Nova did. 

736
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,080
So it is kind of a playable map,
but she also she inserted a 

737
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,280
bunch of like, so instead of 
just like the numbers that show 

738
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,680
you kind of what key room it is,
some are just like things that 

739
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,160
look like numbers but aren't. 
There are like doors that are 

740
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,400
actually walls. 
It's like very much kind of like

741
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,720
a map generated by AI. 
She was like being like, what 

742
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:25,240
kind of weird flaws and quirks 
could I add into this map? 

743
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,880
And so like when running it, I 
was like, oh man. 

744
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,600
So I guess they're now in this 
room, but like this room's not 

745
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,480
even a room. 
It's just kind of the space in 

746
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,520
between the walls, which was was
perfect for for what it was When

747
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,000
I ran this, the the children 
were like total monsters and 

748
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,480
there's lots of bloodshed. 
It's honestly, you know, I spoke

749
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,320
earlier about with you guys, I 
can't remember if it was on 

750
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,120
streamer beforehand, about how 
so often my adventures are like 

751
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,000
largely social and combat does 
not come into it at all. 

752
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,240
This adventure where they're 
actually, they're playing as 

753
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:57,800
children. 
So everybody plays as children. 

754
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,960
You have like an adult, you have
kind of a flaw and you're given 

755
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,200
like a Jelly Bean. 
But this is probably one of the 

756
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,000
bloodiest adventures I've ran in
a while just because they were 

757
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,040
absolute monsters. 
They they kill people left and 

758
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:12,600
right. 
Really. 

759
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,640
Yeah. 
That's so funny. 

760
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,160
That's so absurd. 
I love it. 

761
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,320
I love how ridiculous this is. 
Yeah, I mean, I that sounds fun 

762
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,080
to me. 
I know we I feel like we're 

763
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,680
polar opposites in the things we
like. 

764
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,000
A social is great but I just 
want to murder shit like all the

765
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,160
time. 
But there's lots of stuff to 

766
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,600
murder in here, that's that's 
for sure. 

767
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,280
Yeah, any of this AI tainted 
rubbish for sure could get 

768
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,880
murdered. 
I mean, yeah, clearly, I mean 

769
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,840
clearly we're we're we're anti I
I think that most of the people 

770
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,800
in the space that actually have 
any respect left at all are 

771
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,840
pretty anti AII mean, you know, 
because a first of all, we also 

772
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,720
know that it's not AI. 
It's just a a slightly more 

773
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:53,600
advanced yes, no tool. 
But but as you said, I mean that

774
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,640
this is the thing that is going 
to, you know, drive a wedge is 

775
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,320
the people that see AI, quote UN
quote is a way that will take 

776
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,680
the work we don't want to do 
from us, which is great, not 

777
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,520
take the work we want to do from
us so that we we can't do it, 

778
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,520
which is good creative side and 
things like that. 

779
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,360
So I really like like, you know,
like you said that this like 

780
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,280
joke, but not a joke like, you 
know, bringing that kind of the 

781
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,400
the attention, the focus will 
still have a good time with it 

782
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,680
is really fantastic. 
Yeah, it was just also just a 

783
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,640
fun project. 
And I'd, I'd like to do more of 

784
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,520
a, where it's just like kind of 
like a nail soup. 

785
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,680
I'm not sure if you guys know 
that story where everybody 

786
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,520
throws in like an ingredient. 
So you look at me funny. 

787
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:34,000
So it's like a children's story.
I heard one time basically a big

788
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,560
pot of water. 
Somebody's like, oh, I'm making 

789
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,680
nail soup. 
There's just like a piece of 

790
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,000
nail, like a nail in the, in the
bottle or the pot of water. 

791
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,280
Everyone toss in an ingredient 
eventually becomes soup. 

792
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,040
But that's kind of how I thought
of the process of making this 

793
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,600
adventure because like everybody
just super low effort. 

794
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,800
Like they're like, if you want 
to write like one room, you 

795
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,480
could write that. 
If you want to write 2 rooms, 

796
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,680
just like plug in the Google 
doc. 

797
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,720
And then I just kind of ordered 
it in a certain order, kind of 

798
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,760
made some minor adjustments for 
cohesion, but it was like super 

799
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640
low effort. 
It kind of got stuck in like 

800
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,400
layout hell for a little bit, 
but it could have come together 

801
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,400
easily like in a weekend just 
because of like the way that it 

802
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,560
was done. 
And I think I'd like to do more 

803
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,960
of that, especially just because
I have a lot of friends who, you

804
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,000
know, want to make something 
kind of low effort and it's an 

805
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,760
easy way to do it. 
It's like such an impressive 

806
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,520
list of people on this, you 
know, like, yeah, it's low 

807
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,720
effort stuff and you go Oh my 
God. 

808
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,480
But all these people are so good
at what they do. 

809
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,360
Very funny though. 
I actually didn't realize that 

810
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,880
the original event that this is 
referring to was an AI generated

811
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,080
bike. 
Like that was the driving force 

812
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,080
behind this event. 
Like the original class Gal 

813
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,200
thing. 
I think the script was AI is is 

814
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,360
what my understanding was 
that's. 

815
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,000
How I assumed, yeah. 
That's how they got like the the

816
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,280
freaky dude, the unknown and the
mask, which is also like fully a

817
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,040
character in this adventure as 
well, like a a primary 

818
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,720
antagonist is, is the unknown. 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 

819
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,720
I mean, that was that was I 
think what was like so 

820
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,760
compelling at first. 
We were just like, this is 

821
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,760
clearly like a dungeon monster. 
This is like frightening shit, 

822
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,840
honestly. 
So yeah, that that's a big part 

823
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,920
of the adventure as well, is the
unknown. 

824
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,120
His his his war with the the 
Willy Wonka figure. 

825
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,720
Yeah, so I brought, I brought it
up again. 

826
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:15,880
I remember reading about this 
because, I mean, because so many

827
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,040
people were like ripping on 
this. 

828
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,160
It was fantastic on the tweeters
for a little bit there. 

829
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,560
But yeah, I mean, like all the 
posters were done up, all the 

830
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,720
stuff was done up. 
And then they have like, you 

831
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,440
know, pictures next to like what
it's supposed to be because they

832
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,200
had pictures and it's like, I 
have it up on the thing right 

833
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,520
now. 
There's this crazy AI Jelly Bean

834
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,240
situation that I'm like, who? 
The other problem is also the 

835
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:38,600
parrots where it's like, you see
this and this is what you expect

836
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,200
to be in some like random 
warehouse for like 20 bucks. 

837
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,480
Like, I don't know, like what 
they thought was going to happen

838
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,120
from this grift. 
But like it's literally just a 

839
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,920
couple prop pieces and then, 
yeah, some like fold out tables 

840
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,600
and like a rainbow and stuff. 
This is, I can't imagine the 

841
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,680
horrifyingness. 
But I did hear, you know, one 

842
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,680
thing that I thought was really 
neat. 

843
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,840
I know there's no picture of 
this on the blog, but there was 

844
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,600
that like very sad looking like 
girl. 

845
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,920
That was part of it too. 
At least the one picture was 

846
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,280
apparently she was fantastic and
she was like corralling all the 

847
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,760
kids and trying to make the best
of it. 

848
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,840
So that was cool from that part 
of it. 

849
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,200
But yeah, the, the AI grift was 
just the perfect thing at the 

850
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,040
perfect time for, for showing 
how ridiculous all this was at 

851
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,520
the beginning of the year. 
So it was, it's definitely 

852
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,640
horrifying, especially, Yeah, 
that that, that, that thing, the

853
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,680
the unknown. 
What? 

854
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,160
What, what Vienna? 
Like who, who, who, who thought 

855
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,040
that that people were going to 
come to that with the little 

856
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,080
kids? 
And I think that was OK, yeah. 

857
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,480
But I mean, that's that's the 
problem with machines. 

858
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,360
They have no contacts. 
But at least they gave us good 

859
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,720
fodder for this adventure. 
And even like you mentioned the 

860
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,680
the actors who portrayed one of 
the Oompa Loompas, I believe, 

861
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,520
you know, that's also kind of 
fully a part of this adventure. 

862
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,200
It's like very much like all of 
the Oompa Loompas and and their 

863
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,480
multi multiple Willy Wonkas in 
the adventure are all like 

864
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,560
underpaid actors who are also, 
just as much as the kids are 

865
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,840
being bamboozled into the 
adventure, all of like the staff

866
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,880
are also being bamboozled. 
Yeah. 

867
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,120
That's, that's amazing. 
I, I, I love this. 

868
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,040
I can't wait to check it out. 
Everyone should check it out. 

869
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,800
But yeah, very cool idea. 
So, so forward-looking on the 

870
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,840
horizon. 
What is next for Prismatic 

871
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,240
Wasteland? 
So I want to start doing some 

872
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,880
publishing stuff and I, I have a
friend who's writing something 

873
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,920
that I might kind of start 
taking the lead on on publishing

874
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,400
it for him. 
So I'm not taking kind of the 

875
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,480
role of writer, but maybe just 
more editor and publishing and 

876
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,760
kind of doing the logistics 
stuff. 

877
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,600
In terms of stuff that I'm 
writing. 

878
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,560
I'm writing kind of a large 
adventure. 

879
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,000
It is set in the same kind of 
universes Barkeep on the 

880
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,240
Borderlands, but it's more of a 
spiritual sequel to my first 

881
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,240
adventure, which is Big Rock 
Candy Hex Crawl and it's called 

882
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,520
Candy Country and it's going to 
be this kind of sprawling hex 

883
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,560
crawl adventure. 
I'm, I'm hoping it's going to be

884
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,640
a pretty large one, but it's 
also taking a while just because

885
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,280
it's, you know, very much kind 
of doing it as I have time. 

886
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,760
At the same time, I'm, I'm 
always working on a kind of 

887
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,040
fantasy science fantasy 
heartbreak or prismatic 

888
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,080
wasteland and, you know, trying 
to get some blogs out as well. 

889
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,680
So there's a lot of things. 
I'm very kind of ADHD in terms 

890
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,720
of my production. 
I like to have lots of pots on 

891
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,080
lots of burners. 
And then just like the way that 

892
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,920
I kind of keep get doing hobby 
stuff. 

893
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,640
If I force myself to do 
anything, I would, I'll hate it 

894
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:26,080
and I will not be able to do it.
I have to basically work on the 

895
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,520
thing I don't want to or I 
should not be working on. 

896
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,000
So as long as I have a thing I 
should be working on and able to

897
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,200
get to all the other things, 
which does sometimes lead to me 

898
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,840
doing the project like a, you 
know, a small jam or like a 

899
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,440
silly Willy Wonka thing, which 
we're definitely not like my 

900
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,400
intended thing for those like 
weeks that I was working on 

901
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,040
those. 
But that's just kind of the way 

902
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,000
that I think that my mentality 
is and to stay a hobbyist, which

903
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,640
is my goal is to always kind of 
take it. 

904
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,720
You know, even if stuff is 
raising money and I'm printing 

905
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,160
lots of copies, the goal is 
still just kind of put this out 

906
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,680
as a hobby. 
It's kind of a labor of love. 

907
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,720
The only reason in my mind to 
like to make money from it and 

908
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,320
is just because that actually 
sells more copy and gets in 

909
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,000
front of more people's eyeballs.
Like I could give away the 

910
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,160
exacts. 
I could, you know, give away 

911
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,320
barkeep for free. 
And the only thing that would 

912
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,320
just be people like, oh, so it's
kind of like garbage. 

913
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,960
Then it's like, no, you haven't.
The way that I guess human 

914
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,120
psychology works, it's like, you
have to be like, here's the 

915
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,240
price and pricing it what you 
think it's worth. 

916
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,720
So you actually think it's worth
something, which is screwy, But 

917
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,560
that's, that's the goal. 
I just want to get my my 

918
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,760
terrible ideas in front of as 
many people as possible. 

919
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:36,080
I'm like a a virus that way. 
Yeah, Yeah, we do. 

920
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,200
And it's interesting because 
it's such a, you know, the, the 

921
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,680
space that we're in, space, 
community, industry, hobby, 

922
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,520
whatever. 
It's such a weird one, 

923
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,480
especially in a lot of creative 
spaces, 'cause I feel like TRPGS

924
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,760
people like it's a new thing. 
It's been around for like 50 

925
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,440
fucking years at this point. 
Like it ain't that new, you 

926
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,640
know? 
And it's, it's a weird space to 

927
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,760
be in though, because like you 
don't really see, there's not 

928
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,360
really a space like this for 
like hobbyist plumbers, you know

929
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,040
what I mean? 
Like you're either a plumber or 

930
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,160
you're just doing your own 
plumbing. 

931
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,040
So it's a weird space where 
people are making money, but 

932
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,240
kind of not making money, but 
they're like trying to make 

933
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,040
money. 
And, you know, the capitalism is

934
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,640
a very weird spectrum across the
TTRPGI. 

935
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,200
I'm just going to call it space.
And, you know, I think we're, 

936
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,240
we're, we're much closer to, to 
your kind of side of it where 

937
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:28,840
like we, we don't really 
monetize anything. 

938
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,240
We don't take free copies of 
stuff and and stuff like that 

939
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,160
because we want to keep it as 
much hobby as possible so we can

940
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,000
try to keep capitalism out of 
the thing that we enjoy as much 

941
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,520
as possible. 
But umm, you know, it's, it's, 

942
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,680
it's an interesting chronicle 
industry and I don't see it ever

943
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,280
not feeling like that all the 
time. 

944
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Like I don't feel like there's 
ever gonna be a coalescing of 

945
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,320
like what the industry is and 
what the hobby is like. 

946
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,320
What are your thoughts on on 
kind of that as someone who is 

947
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,080
an award-winning adventure 
writer who does sell stuff, but 

948
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,280
does want to kind of like learn 
more into the hobby side? 

949
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,960
Yeah, Well, I think of it, you 
know, in terms of why it's not 

950
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,600
like plumbing. 
I think it's more like any type 

951
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,880
of art form. 
So it's like painting or 

952
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,120
writing. 
And there's there's always 

953
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,560
people who do that stuff for 
free. 

954
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,280
And there's at the same time, 
you know, there's totally like a

955
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,200
commercialized art world, you 
know, commercialized publishing 

956
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,040
space. 
I think the main difference 

957
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,680
between tabletop RP GS and maybe
kind of like the like novel 

958
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,960
publishing industry or like the,
you know, the art industry world

959
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,080
is that for such a long time, 
one company dominated tabletop 

960
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,000
RP GS. 
And so the gatekeepers were much

961
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,440
stronger. 
And so because the gatekeepers 

962
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,080
are such strong, but there's 
always going to be a demand to 

963
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,440
make art. 
I think in every art form, as 

964
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,480
soon as the art form emerges, 
there's just a demand irrelevant

965
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,600
of like the market forces to 
create to a drive to create in a

966
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,280
way that there's not just a, you
know, a non market based desire 

967
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,000
to like, you know, fix 
somebody's window, You know, 

968
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,680
except for like an 
interpersonally. 

969
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,320
And because the gatekeepers were
so strong, I think it just has a

970
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,320
much larger hobbyist element 
than maybe other art firms do. 

971
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,280
Maybe as kind of Wizards of the 
coast weakens and like, you 

972
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,240
know, other large firms kind of 
increase and gets more similar 

973
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,400
to other art publishing. 
So like, you know, it'll, it'll 

974
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,400
never be like movies, but maybe 
closer to like novels and and 

975
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,400
art. 
It might get more commercialized

976
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,200
and less hobbies, but I think 
there's always going to be a 

977
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,080
large hobby space. 
And I definitely think that the 

978
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,640
further you are from kind of 
systematized stuff, so like, you

979
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,480
know, the big brand names, the 
Pathfinders, the the Dungeons 

980
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,840
and Dragons, and the more you 
are into things that are like, 

981
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,480
honestly, the things that are 
like post OS are like this. 

982
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,240
The OS are precepts of like, do 
it yourself, you know, rulings 

983
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,960
over rules, Those things just 
lend themselves to hobbyist 

984
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,320
mindset. 
Even among the people who are 

985
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,480
not creating and just people who
are players and just kind of 

986
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,320
like interested in the games, 
those are people who, you know, 

987
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,560
are hobbyist. 
It's very much do it yourself. 

988
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,040
And I would say that, yeah, 
there's probably even more of a 

989
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,440
hobby spent in tabletop RPGs 
than other art firms because so 

990
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,640
much is actually reliant not on 
anything that you publish. 

991
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,760
Like I'm not publishing an 
adventure and somebody's 

992
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,000
bringing barkeep to the 
Borderlands to their table. 

993
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,920
The real like kind of mover is 
the players and the GM. 

994
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,680
What I'm giving them is just 
kind of like some like prepped 

995
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,560
ingredients, but they are the 
cook and they're the ones eating

996
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,520
the food. 
There's so little that I can do 

997
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,360
compared to like a movie where, 
you know, you, you put a, a 

998
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,760
Blu-ray into your Blu-ray 
player. 

999
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,680
If you're from 10 years ago and 
you're going to see the same 

1000
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,040
movie, there's no kind of like 
difference of like what who you 

1001
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,480
sit down to watch it with. 
I mean, there is, but like, not 

1002
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,200
nearly to the degree with 
tabletop RPGs. 

1003
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,120
Yeah, if I ramble on that. 
No, I mean. 

1004
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,320
Like the rambles? 
Great. 

1005
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,760
Yeah, the rambles, great. 
We appreciate the ramble 

1006
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,800
actually. 
But yeah, I think there's a lot 

1007
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,360
of truth to that. 
It is interesting how your own 

1008
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,440
personal experience and 
perception and like taste really

1009
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,320
change how any module or game 
hits your table versus another 

1010
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,440
person's table. 
Which is great. 

1011
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,680
I I, I really dislike adventures
or or anything that really kind 

1012
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,000
of assumes what I'm going to get
out of it. 

1013
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,520
I was I'm reading this like old 
some some of my old TSR 

1014
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,400
adventure called Dekna lives 
mostly to to do it kind of a 

1015
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,480
maybe scathing review of it 
because I I ran it. 

1016
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,520
It's not great, but like it 
wants you to think of it as a 

1017
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,960
movie like it that has a whole 
like large bloated section about

1018
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,520
how this is like a horror movie 
and you should be like running 

1019
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,680
like this. 
And it's like you can't have 

1020
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,720
like these preset reactions. 
Like the best you can do is kind

1021
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,800
of set up a scenario and like, 
you know, have at it. 

1022
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,320
The more that a module kind of 
like stranglehold you and your 

1023
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,880
players into a certain path or 
into a certain like feeling, I 

1024
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,560
think the more it's going to 
fail the way it's just it's 

1025
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,440
setting itself up for failure. 
And the more that a modules like

1026
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,360
I am merely like a where this is
a stage in a set of costumes, 

1027
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,040
but you are going to be writing 
the script and you're me doing 

1028
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,760
whatever you want with it. 
Like this is a even adventures, 

1029
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,880
even like the most kind of like 
linear adventure. 

1030
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,000
It needs to be kind of a toolbox
and just kind of something to 

1031
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,560
facilitate your own creativity 
because the author cannot put 

1032
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,040
their creativity onto your 
table. 

1033
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,960
It's just it's an impossible 
thing to to want to do, and it's

1034
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,240
not even what you should want to
do. 

1035
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,400
Yeah, it's interesting too. 
Yeah, because there's between 

1036
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,280
books, movies, you know, even 
like board games and things like

1037
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,080
that, TTRPG has carved out this 
kind of separate but but very 

1038
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:25,200
like parallel path because, you 
know, TRPGS, you're really 

1039
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,080
creating an experience for 
people to have and that's going 

1040
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,640
to be different for everybody. 
And books, movies, like you get 

1041
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,520
the experience of watching the 
movie and there can be different

1042
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,640
interpretations. 
But as you said, the movie is 

1043
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,080
always the movie. 
The novel is always the novel. 

1044
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,680
The painting is always a 
painting. 

1045
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,560
People might see it differently,
but at the end of the day, 

1046
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,280
objectively it is the same 
series of actions happening over

1047
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,840
the same set period of time. 
But when you bring an adventure 

1048
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,760
to your table, 100% of the time,
you will never have the exact 

1049
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,880
same experience. 
One different player at the 

1050
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,560
table will change it. 
The GM being in a better mood 

1051
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,800
that day could change it. 
Everything could change it all 

1052
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,680
the time. 
So you really are just creating 

1053
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,240
this thing in a bubble and then 
handing it to someone else and 

1054
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:08,200
saying like, have fun with this 
bubble however you want as 

1055
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,000
opposed to interpret it however 
you want. 

1056
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,200
So it's definitely a very, very 
specific type of focus. 

1057
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,480
And I mean, I think we all agree
we prefer the style where it's 

1058
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,200
not someone trying to tell us a 
story and we are merely 

1059
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,240
occasionally making choices that
don't matter as we go through 

1060
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:26,080
it. 
And, and for, for the side that 

1061
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,680
leads into that, it is, you 
know, as you said, you, you can 

1062
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,680
only put as much creative as you
can in the writing and let the 

1063
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,320
people experience it the way 
they want to experience. 

1064
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,040
So that's a, that's a great 
insight. 

1065
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,480
So talked about Barkeep, we 
talked about parodies, so we 

1066
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,640
talked about Willy Wonka's, we 
talked about what's next for 

1067
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,400
Prismatic Wasteland. 
For all of these things that you

1068
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,040
have done that you're talking 
about, for the plethora of 

1069
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,320
Prismatic Wasteland stuff that's
going to be coming at us, where 

1070
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,520
can people find them? 
So the best place to find 

1071
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,680
anything that I'm doing is my my
blog prismaticwasteland.com. 

1072
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,400
Obviously there you can mostly 
see my blog post, but I'll I 

1073
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,040
posed about pretty much 
everything that that comes out. 

1074
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,640
There's links to kind of mailing
list on there. 

1075
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,800
I think that you can probably 
find like my itch page or drive 

1076
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,680
through page from there. 
And if not from from Google, I'm

1077
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,840
prismatic waste laying pretty 
much everywhere, unless like the

1078
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,040
character limit like took 
Twitter. 

1079
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,160
I'm prismatic wastes and but 
again, I think there's a link to

1080
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,360
my Twitter on my my blog. 
So that's kind of the the 

1081
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,480
central hub if people are trying
to get in touch with me as well.

1082
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:26,680
That's that's where to find me. 
Awesome. 

1083
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,720
And we will make sure that that 
is linked down below so everyone

1084
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,480
can find that. 
And we'll individually link all 

1085
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,680
of these adventures too, to make
it even easier or if y'all, to 

1086
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,000
find that. 
So last word, Barkeep Jam. 

1087
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,160
Why are people doing it and why 
are they? 

1088
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,880
Why are they, why should they, 
and will they be giving more 

1089
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,040
entries into the Barkeep Jam? 
Why are they doing it? 

1090
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,160
Because they want to make 
something, you know, the the 

1091
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,600
same reason why anybody writes 
anything, but especially if you 

1092
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,680
want to write your, you know, if
you already have like a the best

1093
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,560
pub or something Tavern that 
you've put together in your 

1094
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,520
game, you're like, yeah, 
actually I had a pretty good 

1095
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,720
premise for a Tavern. 
This is an opportunity to like 

1096
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,880
kind of put it in a a digestible
format for anybody kind of use, 

1097
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,680
even if you just read barkeep 
and you never run it and you're 

1098
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,080
like, you know, I want to be 
like Zedek. 

1099
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,000
I want to be like all these like
Ben L writers who made their own

1100
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,080
bar. 
I want to make my own. 

1101
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,920
That's like a reason to do it. 
Also, if you're just like 

1102
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,040
looking to make your first 
thing, this is a good jumping 

1103
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,640
off point. 
Make a two page spread pretty 

1104
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,120
limited. 
I think it, I think each bar is 

1105
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,080
like around maybe 300 words, 
which is like really, really 

1106
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,080
short in terms of word count. 
It's doable. 

1107
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,120
So it's, it's kind of a, a good 
first step. 

1108
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,360
And at the same time, you know, 
people should be kind of looking

1109
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,760
at, at the entries because I'm 
potentially looking to get the 

1110
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,400
best ones, maybe put them in a 
published, you know, printed 

1111
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,240
product because that's the way I
like to consume stuff is usually

1112
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,680
printed. 
So it's, it's totally selfish 

1113
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,320
just for me, I want to print 
more things so I can read more 

1114
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,600
things. 
Yeah. 

1115
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,600
Yeah, so definitely. 
So go submit to the Barkeep Jam.

1116
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,280
And if for some reason you 
haven't read or seen Barkeep on 

1117
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,720
the Borderlands, we very much 
highly recommend it here in the 

1118
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:05,920
show. 
And as we said before, we'll 

1119
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,880
make sure that all the links to 
that are easily available for 

1120
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,080
you. 
WF, Prismatic, Warren, all of 

1121
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,720
the above, thank you so much for
being here. 

1122
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,840
Really appreciate you coming on 
again and I can only imagine 

1123
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,080
this is not the last time you 
will be here on the show with 

1124
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,560
us. 
Certainly not. 

1125
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,120
Next time I have something big 
I'll I'll be sure to let you 

1126
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,840
guys know. 
We'll be waiting all. 

1127
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,040
Right, so. 
Everyone listen and thank you so

1128
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,960
much for being here. 
And that is it for today. 

1129
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,200
Bye. 
Bye.