1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,000 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,800 My name is Ryan. And I'm a good old fashioned 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,520 cowboy just looking to punch deck. 4 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,760 And, and today we're going to be going over Cyberpunk, augmented 5 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,680 for the second time by Emmanuel Melo. 6 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,160 Tabletop RPG where you play as a team of runners, mercs, 7 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:40,080 criminals and activists living on the edge and running in the 8 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,280 shadows of a gritty ultraviolet world. 9 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,240 Ultraviolent, ultraviolent thin grasslands here. 10 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,240 So, yeah. So we're so we're so so so how's 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,280 it, How's we're doing it again? We are doing it again. 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,360 For those that don't follow us on Blue Sky, we did this episode 13 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:03,800 a week ago and the audio, just everything, just technology and 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,840 very much of it is dead silent. So we have to, we have to do it 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,040 again. But we we've talked about it. 16 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,040 It is a blessing in disguise. This is the first review in our 17 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:18,120 new format and being able to do it once and then see, well, at 18 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,520 least experience it because we can go back and watch it again 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,240 and see kind of what we would do differently. 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,440 Now we're kind of more prepared. But yeah, how you doing buddy? 21 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:29,120 Great. How are you? 22 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,400 You know, just just wonderful, just fantastic. 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,280 Actually excited to be doing this again. 24 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,120 A lot of stuff has happened in the last weeks that made this I 25 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,560 guess even more kind of like appropriate of a day to do it 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,360 stuff, stuff done, things like that. 27 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,960 Yeah, I I ran this actually this past week. 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,040 I ran. I ran mine The Gap, the entry 29 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,800 adventure for my Matt home game. Yeah, yeah. 30 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,240 So that's how we're definitely, we're definitely going to be 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,600 talking about that on the show. It was really great time for you 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,840 to be able to pump that out. And you said you also read? 33 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,080 Oh, I, I listen to Neuromancer on audiobook. 34 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,080 Actually. I started before we started the 35 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,600 last episode, I think, and I just jogged through it. 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,920 A really insane novel. Yeah. 37 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Like truly, truly a very strange, very strange sci-fi 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,000 written by an old guy you know? Yeah, when did that book even 39 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,680 come out? That is it. 40 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,320 Isn't it kind of the progenitor of like the whole cyberpunk 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,320 thing? Yeah, So Neuromancer by William 42 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:45,400 Gibson came out in 1984 and it's yeah, it's there definitely is 43 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,440 an existence of cyberpunk previous to this. 44 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,000 But this is definitely, it seems like from my perspective, the 45 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,560 first like major like cyberpunk novel that really kind of 46 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:59,160 defined the series. Yeah, what is the genre? 47 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,840 To the genre, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's been on my 48 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,320 list forever, but you know, I'm I'm I'm very deep, deep in the 49 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,280 horse Heresy. So yeah, if I take a break, it's 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,600 other Warhammer until I finish the horse heresy. 51 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:17,520 So, but I have I've slowed down every time I run into the brick 52 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:24,600 wall of of Nick Kime and it slowly filters away my desire to 53 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,240 live and breathe until I finish it. 54 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,960 But but what else have you been up? 55 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,840 What, what, what, what? So, so this segment going 56 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,560 forward is going to be our like about us segment because whether 57 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,400 you people care about it or not, we I don't really care about me 58 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,800 either, but I care about you, buddy. 59 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,080 What else have you been up to this past week? 60 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,800 You know, not a lot. I, I bought a paddle for myself 61 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,160 because I live within like 45 minutes of like 5 lakes and I 62 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,520 like paddle boarding. And also I had some interesting 63 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,680 discussions on our Discord about the game we're trying to talk 64 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,320 about today. Yeah, which also get into at 65 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,240 some point. What about you? 66 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,920 Yeah, absolutely. I, I, I threw some more paint on 67 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,840 some minis. I got some rust effects down on 68 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,640 a on a test model for some Night Lords. 69 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,360 I pushed it pretty far with some villainy ink from Grim Dark 70 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,480 Compendium I. Think I saw that on the discord 71 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,560 as well. Yeah, and some dirty down rust 72 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,640 effects, which is the most insane shit ever because it's I 73 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,200 don't understand how the liquid becomes rust, but it's literally 74 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,040 rust and the different ways you water it down with like the 75 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,120 mineral spirits makes it different kinds of it's the 76 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,360 craziest thing ever. I literally had to it's it's the 77 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,200 most insane shit, dude. Like I can't even it's fucking 78 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,080 magic. Like I don't understand how this 79 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,320 brown liquid gets put on and suddenly everything just like 80 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:45,680 rusts away. Like it's insane. 81 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,280 But I had painted one of the shoulders red for Night Lords, 82 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,040 mimicking one of the things from the horse airsy books, like the 83 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,480 the tabletop game books, and the rust got a little too orange, so 84 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:00,640 it blended too much with the red. 85 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,080 So I had to like bring it down a little bit, even though it 86 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,880 looked cool as shit with some of the villainy ink sector rust. 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,120 So just learning how to do this week I learned how to do enamel 88 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,920 washes and some rust effects. So very, very cool. 89 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,480 The whole point of that test model was basically to do as 90 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,760 much texture as I could on it to to see how much is too much to 91 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,000 do as much rust as I could to see how much was too much. 92 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,120 And I'm really excited to keep doing that. 93 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,520 I just got to snag some more test models and then I'm going 94 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,160 to work on my my nemesis claw. And then we're going to start. 95 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,720 We're going to start something maybe we'll talk about at the 96 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,920 end of the show, which I kind of have a, a segment name for 97 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:45,600 already already. But but today, today we are 98 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:51,480 going to be looking at let's do this. 99 00:05:53,160 --> 00:06:00,480 Today we are going to be looking at Cyberpunk. 100 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,440 Yeah, we're going to look at Cyberpunk Augmented, as I said 101 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,480 before. So why don't we hop into that? 102 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,640 We're going to give you some info about the game. 103 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,520 We're going to unbox a game because as I showed up before, 104 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,560 anyone that hasn't seen Cyberpunk augmented, the box set 105 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,200 that it comes with is incredible. 106 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,880 It's it's insane. So, so let's talk about 107 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,840 Cyberpunk augment a little bit. Cyberpunk in general, because 108 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:28,800 now there's I think 3 versions, right? 109 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,000 So Cyberpunk runs on a super condensed version of John 110 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Harper's Forged in the Dark system, which trust me, we'll 111 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,040 talk about today. Specially tweaked for 112 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,800 action-packed one shot. In each game you play an entire 113 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,040 new cast of characters making their last run. 114 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,040 Everything you need to play is presented as a series of eight 115 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,040 panel pamphlets. You get the GM's Guide, the 116 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,320 Runner File, and the Framework. Those are the three core 117 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,080 pamphlets. The Augmented gives you more 118 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,640 than that. The original Cyberpunk was 119 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,120 published on Itch on January 5th, 2021. 120 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:06,400 The V1 original pamphlets aren't listed anymore on the page, but 121 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,240 with the right hyperlink you can find it. 122 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,160 But it looks like the project was originally Itch funded for 123 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,080 150 bucks and that goal was passed in less than two hours. 124 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,520 And then Cyberpunk Augmented, which is the box set we'll unbox 125 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,880 in a second, Launched on Kickstarter with Mythworks, 126 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,240 which I think at the time was called Mythopia on May 14th, 127 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:33,480 2022 and funded on April 7th, 2022 with 2059 backers for 128 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:40,680 $52,558 on a $10,000 goal. It was then released on Itch and 129 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,720 Drive Through RPG in May of 2023. 130 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,920 About a year later, which I assume is when the the 131 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,800 distribution was all done for the Kickstarter, it was 132 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,320 nominated for numerous awards in both North and South America. 133 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,480 And at the 2024 Innies, it was nominated for Best Product of 134 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,680 the Year and won the Silver Innie for Best Layout and 135 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,920 Design. And I don't know if you saw 136 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,960 today, but the Innie nominations for 2025 drop today. 137 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,760 Promise myself I wouldn't be a hater on May and the day the 138 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,200 nominations drop, but this episode will not be coming out 139 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,440 so I'll say what I really think. The innies are a fucking joke 140 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,120 and the fact that this game did not win product of the year and 141 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,960 best layout in design of the year and the game that did did 142 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:31,360 win proves it's a fucking joke. There's not a product in design 143 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,559 in most tabletop games that I like, maybe that I prefer to 144 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,960 play more, you know? Yeah, yeah. 145 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,799 This is this is insane. It is insane. 146 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,040 Yeah, so, so as far as our feelings on the in East, trust 147 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,760 me, you'll never see us on it because we're not that good, but 148 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,800 also because we're never going to nominate ourselves because 149 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,720 once again, I do think they're a fucking joke. 150 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Here's my hottest I've already given my hottest take. 151 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,160 If you were nominated, you already won because from this 152 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,120 point on, once the nominations are out, it's just a popularity 153 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,920 contest, which means the big publishers and people with big 154 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,240 social media followings are going to win. 155 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,760 So congratulations, if you got a nominated, you're a winner in my 156 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,240 book. The awards are now over. 157 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,960 I blocked the word on on on Blue Sky. 158 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,920 And don't even get me started on the AI Credit awards. 159 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:30,120 So that's it for the innies. Cyberpunk Overload is also out 160 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,600 on Kickstarter right now. This is the first official 161 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,640 expansion for Cyberpunk. I keep saying Cyberpunk it is 162 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,040 cyber plus punk technically. So Cyber plus punk is on 163 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,200 Kickstarter right now. The campaign ends Thursday July 164 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,480 10th which I believe is the like next week. 165 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,600 It's a caption of one shot scenarios, gear catalogs, plug 166 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,600 in Rule sets and complete settings bundled into 3 sleek 167 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:57,800 thematic packs. Those are Sprawl Overload, Tech 168 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,960 overload, and redacted overload, all of which contain numerous 169 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,440 pamphlets up to six each with stretch goals. 170 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,280 I think the sprawl overload 1 might have like there's like 4-3 171 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,920 and six whatever already. And as the stretch goals are 172 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,880 met, it'll hopefully they'll be able to unlock. 173 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,920 I think it's all 18 packets. Very excited for that. 174 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,800 If you get a chance to peek at it, maybe I'll pull the web 175 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,480 sheet a website up, but it's going to be a similar format. 176 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,400 It's going to have like the slip case box. 177 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,360 It's gorgeous. It looks like all digitized with 178 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,040 some like holographic stuff on it. 179 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,280 It's it's a stunning looking box. 180 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,360 I'm very excited for it and even just to have it because it's 181 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,600 beautiful whether I ever play it or not. 182 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,720 But that is what's going on with Cyberplus Punk. 183 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,200 The next thing we're going to do is show you what's inside this 184 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:50,200 beautiful, beautiful box. And for that I've set up the 185 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,840 camera. Down case, yeah, let's. 186 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,160 Go here. Oh, it's already set up. 187 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,920 Boom. So for those in podcast land, 188 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,360 again, the segments not for you, I guess. 189 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:11,800 So the box is it's a Zine box. It's a, it's a gorgeous yellow, 190 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,560 a very, very yellow yellow. If you imagine yellow, this is 191 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,040 what I imagine like a hazard yellow. 192 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,440 Yeah, absolutely. Hazard Yellow is a good one, 193 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,800 yeah. Yeah, across one side it says 194 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,880 CBR in Gray with cyber written inside with the plus on the 195 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,240 side. Flip it over, it says P&K with 196 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,240 Punk written inside in Gray and light Gray on the yellow. 197 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,200 Got some stuff on the sides, which is nice because when you 198 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:39,440 set up on the shelf like a book, it says Cyberpunk augmented 199 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:42,400 Manuel Melo. It's got the Myth Works logo and 200 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,000 and like AD 20 and that's what it is on on both sides there so 201 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,080 beautiful box. It's a slip case. 202 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:55,760 You slip the top off and, and you're left with the piece 203 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,720 inside, which folds open into two separate pieces all the way 204 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,360 through. Everything is very, it's, it's 205 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,440 got as much like what, what, what, what do you even call 206 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,960 these things like the lines on the side, like the digital 207 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,440 effect, kind of things like. Decoration. 208 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,920 They're like. Decoration, you know, but not 209 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,320 not only that, I don't know if you felt it, but like a lot of 210 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,480 it is raised like acknowledgement, like all of 211 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,440 these stripes on the side, they're a little bit textured 212 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,360 too. So it's more than just than just 213 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,600 the visuals. And here on the front, it says, 214 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,360 we have one last job for you, runner, one last chance to clean 215 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,080 off your debt. Do you accept yes or no? 216 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,480 And the cursor is selected on the Y. 217 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,280 And it says, you better not glitch this up. 218 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,440 Gorgeous. On the back. 219 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,680 It's a cyberpunk, augmented, created, written and designed by 220 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,040 Mino Melo. The Cabinet of Curiosities, 221 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,800 edited by Rachel, Covers by Lewis Melo. 222 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,920 Additional editing. Eric Softgy Additional layouts 223 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Raul Rinaldi Everything in this was written by Emmanuel Mellow, 224 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,280 except for Cyberpunk Hunters, which we'll look at. 225 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,000 It's one of the scenes that was created by Cat Scratcher Studios 226 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,080 and Mona Rise Megalopolis just created and designed by Leonardo 227 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,360 Azevedo. As always, I apologize for 228 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,280 butchering all of your names, but when you flip it open, it's 229 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,880 hard to describe this. There's there's flaps on both 230 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:22,480 sides and there's a thing at the top says open you open the flaps 231 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,160 and the backgrounds of those flaps have just insane cyberpunk 232 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,000 style artwork. It's like, it's like very techie 233 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,520 like Windows, as in like the Windows on your computer with 234 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,640 things inside Switchblade, Sigma, this. 235 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Age warning models are like, you know, like popping up on your 236 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,640 screen like your. Hacker And then there's four 237 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,440 more flaps, 2 up top, 2 on the bottom, and the two on the left 238 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,840 say slot one left, the two on the right say slot one right, 239 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,280 and then on the left side it says game moderator, Game 240 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,640 moderator, and on the right side it says runner. 241 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,480 If you open up the right side, what you get is the Cyberpunk 242 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,840 Zine, which we'll look at. You get 5 runner files, which is 243 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,800 kind of like the player version, the player edition of the Zine. 244 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,360 And the left side, you get framework, which is the third 245 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,480 part of the core. And framework is basically what 246 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,800 I would actually call the GM guide. 247 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,160 We'll go over that a little bit more. 248 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:28,160 And then you get 5 scenes. So first one is called Plus 249 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,680 Weird. It is a plugin to install 250 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:35,640 supernatural elements. So magic, magic in your game and 251 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,240 magic like creatures. What did I say? 252 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,960 What, what, what? What's that awful movie that 253 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,760 could have been good that I said this was like, Bright. 254 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,000 This is like. Bright. 255 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,720 That means bright. Yeah, it's, it's like the, it's 256 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,440 like the shadow run plug in. That's what you said. 257 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,840 That's what you said last time, too. 258 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:50,760 Yeah. I keep forgetting because I've 259 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,760 never read Shadow Run. The next one is called Predator 260 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,400 PRDTR. This is a setting where runners 261 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,120 must navigate the collapse of a lunar habitat. 262 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,400 It's very much Predator of the movie. 263 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,400 It is the the design and layout of it. 264 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,800 It I'll, I'll flip through that visually when we get to another 265 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,280 part of it. There's Mind the Gap, which is 266 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,880 the starter adventure for the game. 267 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,400 This is you. This is what you ran, right? 268 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,080 Yeah, I ran. I ran it. 269 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,760 Yeah, yeah. So we'll talk. 270 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,040 Genuinely a solid starter adventure. 271 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll we'll get into that a 272 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,120 little bit more. There's Cyber, there is several 273 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,000 Hunters which provides pre made elite operatives focused on 274 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 taking the players down and rules to quickly build modified 275 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,560 and incorporate them into your runs. 276 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,920 And last but not least is Mona Rise Megalopolis, which allows 277 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,200 you to create runs that reference William Gibson's 278 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:46,480 Sprawl novel trilogy, which now you are much more familiar with. 279 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,600 Yeah, I'm through book. One, yeah, but every single one 280 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,520 of these is absolutely stunning. They're gorgeous. 281 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,000 Every aspect of this is stunningly, beautifully 282 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,520 gorgeous. I love the way that it is, you 283 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,880 know, 6 scenes in each side and and yeah. 284 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:13,440 So that is the on that is the unboxing of the cyberpunk 285 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,720 physical slip case, cyberpunk augmented set. 286 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,200 Stunning again, one of the best form factors ever created. 287 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,640 Yeah, one or two I would say. I recently remembered I have 288 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,000 something that that might compete with this for number 1. 289 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,760 So this is a top one or two best form factors in ATTRPGI believe 290 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,720 I've ever seen. And once again, the fact that 291 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,720 this didn't win best. I'm not saying game best product 292 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,640 and best layout and design. And the innies that it came out 293 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,960 really solidified my opinion of the innies, which I gave 294 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,960 already, which you can reference by rewinding, but it's stunning, 295 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,920 it's gorgeous. And and we're going to get into 296 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,840 a little bit. So the next thing we're going to 297 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,200 do as far as how we're going to outline this going forward, 298 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,400 instead of reading the entire fucking thing. 299 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,640 Normally when we would read the book and do the full read 300 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,200 through, I would go through most of the rules. 301 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,079 Hunter would go through most of the character generation. 302 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,720 We're we're still going to do that. 303 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,960 I'm just going to do a quick breakdown of the rules of 304 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,960 mechanics and then Hunter's going to do a quick breakdown of 305 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,640 character generation. And we're going to try to do 306 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,560 that in about 10 minutes instead of two hours. 307 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:23,440 So let's let's see how that goes. 308 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:30,880 So I'm just going to hide the down Cam so I can get this out 309 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:38,600 of my way and and just bring up this this beautiful Zine cover 310 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,320 real quick so you guys can look at that while I talk about the 311 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,160 rules here. So the gist of the game, the 312 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,200 gist of the mechanics of the game is is that it is forged in 313 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,320 the dark. It is very much forged in the 314 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,440 dark. It is based on Blades in the 315 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,760 Dark from John Harper. I have allowed myself 5 minutes 316 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,920 later to talk about that and I will do my best right now to not 317 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,000 talk about Blades and to just talk about this game. 318 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,760 So Cyber Plus Punk is mostly designed for one shots and 319 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,240 revolves around the character's last run, which is the high 320 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,360 stakes operation with a clear objective. 321 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:23,240 The GM prepares an outline for the run or generates one as they 322 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,640 go. Players file their runners, AKA 323 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,200 they. They make characters which 324 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,200 Hunter's going to go over. The players make an engagement 325 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,360 plan or main course of action and then try to achieve the 326 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,360 objective that is part of the last run. 327 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,680 They go on the run seeking to complete the objective, 328 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,240 eventually running into the last obstacle, the final obstacle, 329 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,720 and then after the mission succeeded or failed, the you 330 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,240 immediately move into the epilogue of the characters and 331 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:00,520 see how any reward they may have received from the run helps them 332 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,280 leverage their angle or reason why they run. 333 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,920 So it's basically the conclusion of the story. 334 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,920 It is the epilogue. I would hope that everyone knows 335 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,280 what an epilogue is, but once again, America so can't be too 336 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,280 short mechanically. Like I said, this is pure Blades 337 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,360 in the Dark. The primary mechanic of which is 338 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,880 the action role. And basically how that works is 339 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:31,200 the players describe what they players describe what they want 340 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,120 to accomplish, then choose the approach skill and other factors 341 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:38,480 like gear that will help them accomplish that. 342 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,320 Those are primary things, Approach on the skill. 343 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,400 I'll go to the end of that more in just a little bit for anyone 344 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:48,040 that has red blades before this is, again, it's pure blades. 345 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,480 It really does just distill it down for anyone that hasn't. 346 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,160 We'll get into, we'll get into that later too. 347 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,880 So the action role, as I said, the the players choose the 348 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,200 approach and the skill and the gear and all the other stuff. 349 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,040 The GM assesses the risk and tells the players the probable 350 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,960 consequences. And then they set the threat 351 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:10,080 capital T and affect capital E, which the players can choose to 352 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:14,560 raise or lower for better or worse consequences. 353 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:18,600 Which may also be affected by any edges. 354 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,720 All of those are buzzwords we'll get into more than the player 355 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,560 rolls a number of dice equal to the approach and skill ratings. 356 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,000 I think they only go up to Hunter. 357 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,680 Talk about this more. I think they only go up to like 358 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,160 2, two or three each, so the most you're rolling is like 4 or 359 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,120 5D6 at a time, right? Yeah, pretty much. 360 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:42,240 Yeah, and and then any bonus dice you might get from some 361 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:47,640 other special actions like push or assist and, and you read the 362 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,400 single highest result, kind of unless you roll 2 sixes and that 363 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,560 is a crit, which is a crit. You know what crits are. 6 is a 364 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,400 success, 4 to 5 is a partial success, which is a phrase I 365 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,080 fucking hate. And 1:00 to 3:00 is a failure. 366 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,840 And that is that is the core of that. 367 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,680 So let's break down a little bit of that a little bit more so you 368 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,600 can understand that a bit. The threat, as I said, is the 369 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,080 danger posed in the situation, and that can inform the harm 370 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,760 level takes on a track. Whatever it is, it is the threat 371 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,440 of the situation the players are in. 372 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,480 The effect is how much is accomplished on a success. 373 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,120 And then the harm 100 can go into that a little bit more, I 374 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:35,200 think, with character generation. 375 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,440 But it's a series of levels that impose penalties. 376 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,560 And at the 4th level you die. So you don't have HP, you just 377 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,920 have these levels of harm that you take up. 378 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:49,000 And as you take those harm levels up, you you get 379 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,920 reductions to like rolls or stress or things like that. 380 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,160 So that's basically how the action roll works. 381 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,640 As I said, you pick an approach, you pick a skill, you'll grab 382 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,080 any other factors. You roll the number of dice in a 383 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,120 dice pool, you pick the highest one. 384 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,480 And what you're rolling kind of against is the GM's threat and, 385 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,680 and the GM picks a threat and effect level. 386 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:14,320 It's, it's, it's a, it's a lot of stuff, it's a lot of 387 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,760 conversation, It's a lot of meta narrative. 388 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,320 And, and trust me again, we'll talk about that. 389 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,280 Because on top of that, players can resist things in a number of 390 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,400 ways, like having armor to reduce any consequences, 391 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,120 etcetera, etcetera. Because there's lots of 392 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,680 Etcetera's and then there are special actions as well. 393 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,760 Special actions are special actions players can do which 394 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,160 usually cause them to gain ticks on a stress track, like taking a 395 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,280 breather, which is basically the game's version of rest or push 396 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,800 or assist. As I mentioned before, those are 397 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,800 all special actions that can be taken. 398 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,560 There's also a very bladesy special action called the 399 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,480 flashback, which is one of the core aspects of Blades in the 400 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,600 Dark. The part that I one of the parts 401 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,480 that I dislike the most, which basically allows you to 402 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,480 establish that something, the past happened that affects the 403 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,360 present, but it's not supposed to change what's already 404 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,160 currently happening in the present, right? 405 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,000 There is a stress system, which is a limiter for the number of 406 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,080 special actions you can take. If you do too much, you can 407 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:19,920 overload, which causes one of your approaches to glitch. 408 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,200 But we've talked about we don't believe there's a way to heal 409 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,800 that. And if approach is glitched, 410 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:31,080 instead of rolling your approach die, you roll glitch die and 411 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,920 that incurs additional consequences based on the role. 412 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,160 So whatever you succeed or don't succeed at, whatever the glitch 413 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,520 die rolls also gives you an additional consequence, the 414 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,920 lower obviously the worst it could possibly get for you, but 415 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,720 regardless, you get an additional consequence no matter 416 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,960 what. If one of your approach is 417 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,680 glitched and you are rolling a glitch die, there are also 418 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,800 augmentations, which again, Hon, I'll talk about that a little 419 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,680 bit more, but obviously it's augmenting your body. 420 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,320 If you saw the cyberpunk anime, which is surprisingly really 421 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,280 good edge runner, you'll understand what we mean by 422 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,720 augmentations. And then you also have a quantum 423 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,640 inventory system where you basically choose the size of the 424 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,720 inventory you want, the size of the load you want and, and as 425 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,840 you go might be 357 something like that. 426 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,240 You can just say, I have this item now and then I have it. 427 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,320 And that's, that's kind of the way the the system works. 428 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,440 There is an angle role at the end, which, as I said before, 429 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,440 it's basically just the role you do to kind of determine the 430 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,760 outcome of your character the post run. 431 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,840 But we'll we'll probably talk about that a little bit more 432 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,880 either, but that is basically the mechanics of the game. 433 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,840 Does that make sense? You you you actually rented? 434 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,480 Did I miss anything? Yeah, no, I think, I think those 435 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,480 are all the good basics. I mean, there's, there's a bunch 436 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,760 of fiddly little parts in all of this, but I think that's like a 437 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,640 a true statement of the basics. Yeah, yeah. 438 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,120 I wish you could scroll through this while I'm talking because 439 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:56,920 I'm going to scroll through this while you're talking. 440 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,200 That's fine. And but but you can't. 441 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,360 That's not how we get the stream set up. 442 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,160 Yeah, so character generation. So character generation, 443 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,800 honestly a much shorter part and fairly easy characters are 444 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,680 made-up of a few things. Their angle, which we talked 445 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,560 about the reason why they do things are why they're doing the 446 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,360 thing approaches, which are essentially like their stats 447 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,080 skills, which there are several of what they're good at 448 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,920 augmentations, which is going to be their like cybernetics, which 449 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,240 they all start, which was I thought was pretty cool, and 450 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,120 their load slash gear. So you start by picking your 451 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,280 character's handle, which is what they're called, and then 452 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,200 you pick what drives them their angle. 453 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,520 There is a a list of six things they can pick from and a little 454 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,280 note section under for them to expand on those things. 455 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,560 You can roll this D6. That's what my table chose to do 456 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,280 because that's the kind of table I run. 457 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,840 After that you will assigned to die two dice to a an approach 458 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,720 and then one singular die to two other approaches. 459 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,320 The approaches being your stats are aggressive, force, 460 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,320 intimidation, destruction, smart, creative, coming 461 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,320 perception, Empathetic, charisma, and stealthy. 462 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,040 Which for selfie Edge put Yep you know what S is. 463 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:18,640 After that they can assign 8 dice to whatever skill of their 464 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,200 choice. There is a limit of two per 465 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,200 skill, but if they choose to assign a third die to a skill, 466 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,800 instead of getting that extra die, they have the choice of 467 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,920 instead taking Edge on that skill. 468 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,240 It's called expertise. Not a single one of my players 469 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,320 made this decision at the table and I wonder if it's because 470 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,440 they a little bit didn't understand Edge, which we will 471 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,680 talk about, I'm sure, because they didn't understand it after 472 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,640 that, you know, if you pick your skills and I'm not going to read 473 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,440 through all of them because there's several and they're cool 474 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,040 and there's a blank space where you can write your own. 475 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,760 And one of my players actually made-up his own skill. 476 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,000 After that you were going to they're going to make up an 477 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,720 augmentation and give it a name or model number. 478 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:00,600 You're there cybernetic augmentation. 479 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,920 They can leverage this on an action or I like to to get a 480 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,120 bonus die for an action or edge on an action or they can use it 481 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,680 to resist a consequence. This will be the marking their 482 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:19,000 special resistance after they pick their or they make up their 483 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,360 augmentation. There's not really a pick list 484 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,440 for this. They're going to pick their load 485 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,560 out. So there are a few different 486 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,520 loads. Choose from you light, medium, 487 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,760 and heavy. This will give you Light gets 488 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,080 three item slots, medium gets 5 and heavy gets 7. 489 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,880 There is a description for each of these and it implies some 490 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,480 potential narrative consequences for how heavy their loadout is. 491 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,000 So the trade loss is you get more items for your loadout, but 492 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,480 you might appear clunkier or move slower. 493 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,040 As for the actual items that you get within your inventory, it 494 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,600 does work on a completely quantum inventory system, 495 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560 meaning you just pick your load. So say you go in heavy with 496 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,520 seven, you only pick those items until you want to or you need 497 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,920 to. So it gives you a lot of like, 498 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,360 you know, quantum inventory is a thing. 499 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,800 I think Ryan and they are both fans of, I think it works really 500 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,480 well and, and it works really well for my players. 501 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,600 And that's, that's pretty much it. 502 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,400 You have a, you have a, a stress bar that you fill over time that 503 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,920 makes up your character. It has, I think 7 spaces, which 504 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,760 I am and of the opinion there's too many. 505 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,360 And then you get your levels of harm. 506 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,440 There are technically 4 levels of harm, but three really that 507 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,960 you'll fill. You have two slots in level 1 508 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,040 harm, meaning you can take level 1 harm twice. 509 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,840 There's two slots in level 21, slot in Level 3. 510 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,480 And if you take level 4, you die. 511 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,640 And basically the way harm works is that if you already have 512 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,480 taken level 1 harm twice and you take it again, that level 1 harm 513 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,880 slides down to level 2 harm. Yeah. 514 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,960 And that's, that's pretty much the basics of character creation 515 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,600 and what your character is. It's incredibly basic. 516 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,400 It would, you know, it's very easy to quickly roll up a 517 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,640 character. Yeah. 518 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,320 Crazy. And we did in like 9 minutes 519 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,200 what we usually do in in an hour. 520 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,960 So I also wrote. Notes so. 521 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,520 Yeah. Well, I'll be curious how this 522 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,480 goes when we're doing like a 200 page book now that we can do the 523 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,600 bigger ones. But I'll try to talk a little 524 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,040 bit slower next time. But that's that's kind of what 525 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,160 we're going to do as far as covering books. 526 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,480 So hopefully that segment, because again, that's going to 527 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,960 be a normal segment here on the show, just the rules breakdown 528 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,200 and the the character gin breakdown, that's that we're 529 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,600 going to go through. So that's basically how the game 530 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,640 works. That's how you make your 531 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,520 characters. And then maybe we should have 532 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,200 done, we can talk about a little bit in the in the framework 533 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,600 since you actually ran into Venture and you ran them on the 534 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,640 gap. We'll talk about that a little 535 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,960 bit. But how will all of that work? 536 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,320 So that covers really the GM guide and the runner file. 537 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,520 The next thing that we wanted to talk about, we got a couple of 538 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,280 things that are now popping up in my head. 539 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,960 Like I said, we we, we should talk about Nah, that'll come up 540 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,000 in the in the review. So the next segment, I don't 541 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,880 know what to call this shit, but the plan is we're going to we're 542 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,920 going to each pick something that we really, really like 543 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,360 about the game. And then also something that we 544 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,640 are not as big a fans of. I don't want to say we like it 545 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,600 or we don't or we like and we hate because I don't hate. 546 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,680 I mean I hate a lot. Trust me by. 547 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,280 Default level of hate. Ryan's a consummate hater. 548 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,960 Yeah, I who, boy, I thrive on it. 549 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,800 But just something we like and something that we're not as big 550 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:42,880 a fans of. I think is is is what we're is 551 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,640 what? This failures. 552 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,120 You know yeah, triumphs and is that is that what you wanna go 553 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,600 with? No so so first I'll go with 554 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,800 something that I really like about cyber plus punk right. 555 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,360 What did I even write here? I really like how modular and 556 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,480 clean it is. We, we haven't really talked 557 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,000 about the all the expansions, but they're fantastic and. 558 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,200 They're very good. They're so good the the way that 559 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,200 you're able to plug them in. I mean, the fact that they're 560 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,400 also called plug insurance is fucking perfect, you know? 561 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,400 So the game is it's very simple. It's very streamlined. 562 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,880 We'll talk about whether it's too streamlined or not. 563 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,760 Eventually we will talk about all the things that we're saying 564 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,360 we will talk about, right. But I think a lot more games 565 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:33,840 should really look at this style and think about using this 566 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,240 right. If you're creating a a really 567 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,080 big game, ask yourself why does it need that many subsystems to 568 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,840 work and perfect is the enemy of done? 569 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,480 Or would you be able to put off the core of your game and then 570 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,920 add things to the game that you could plug in that you could 571 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,200 slot in? Not something maybe so much as 572 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,120 like Errant or you have an entire game of just procedures, 573 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,640 right? But really, just for example, 574 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,480 Cyberpunk doesn't have magic. Not shipping it with magic is a 575 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,760 great idea and eventually just coming with a plug in for magic 576 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,560 is fucking awesome. If you want to have Jurassic 577 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,840 fucking Park, just have a plug in for that. 578 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,160 I love that idea as a setting. And so much of what they did 579 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,280 with the expansions was exactly that. 580 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,960 Like I love the predator setting and I love plus weird and even 581 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,840 the way that they do the adventure in motorized 582 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,320 Megalopolis. I think they're fantastic 583 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,960 additions because again, you can do a little setting, plug in, 584 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,440 you can do a little mechanics plug in, you can do a little bit 585 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,120 of everything and really, really enjoy that a lot. 586 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,720 So I think that's the thing I like most about it is that it's 587 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,800 super clean, super. I don't say hackable, modable, 588 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,680 you know, like it's very modular and I really, really enjoy that 589 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,360 about it. You get a core game and a bunch 590 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,760 of stuff that you can add on to if you want, as opposed to 591 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,280 putting it all in one book and saying ignore these parts 592 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,440 because that's not, that's not, that's not. 593 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,960 How people brain work. Yeah, yeah. 594 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,680 Your brain clicks into a mode when you read the book and 595 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,000 you're and it wants you to use everything in the book just 596 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,200 because you say not to a dozen as much, but having it in a 597 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,000 whole separate Zine. I I think really contributes to 598 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,640 that. So that that's my like, what 599 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,640 about you? Oh I thought you were going to 600 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,160 do dislike after your like. I thought you were doing like, 601 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,720 like, just like, just like. Isn't that what we talked about 602 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:18,560 at? The start No, we didn't. 603 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,680 No, go for it. Do your dislike? 604 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,640 I no because I'm going to rant again. 605 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,760 So are you going to rant? OK, cool. 606 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,640 You do your like. Likes. 607 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,560 I like the idea of the one last job. 608 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,560 I think narratively it really lends itself to like one shots. 609 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,560 And I like that this system has something about it that really 610 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,320 lends itself to one shots because my dislike will be the 611 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,800 thing that doesn't lend itself to one shots. 612 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,600 I also really enjoyed the simplicity of putting a 613 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,360 character there really quickly. It was a really quick process 614 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,120 and it was very easy for my players to understand at least 615 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,120 the putting their character together and they were able to 616 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,080 create these people that they liked or had like weird iconic 617 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:02,000 parts to them. And and then I also, I did a few 618 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,640 likes. I think I also liked the idea of 619 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,000 like dropping right into the action after picking your 620 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,639 engagement plan, which we didn't talk about, but it is a part of 621 00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,040 the character guide, basically how they want to approach each 622 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,280 job. They just kind of talk about 623 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,400 beforehand and then you drop right into the job. 624 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,760 There's not a lot of like downtime prep. 625 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,679 So it's felt when we were playing it, very action-packed, 626 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,520 yeah. Yeah, yeah. 627 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,400 Because you actually got to play the game, which is fantastic. 628 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,440 I'm really excited to talk about that a little bit more. 629 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:38,840 A little bit more next. So what so all right, So what 630 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,800 don't I like about this is a part where so the first time we 631 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,880 did this. Yeah, the first time, The first 632 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,120 time we did this I, I really, I feel like we talked about blades 633 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,679 more than we talked about cyberpluspunk. 634 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:57,240 We I talked about I me OK, that's me. 635 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,840 I, I talked about blades more than I talked about cyberplus 636 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,640 punk. So my goal for this episode, 637 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,560 since we're having to redo it is to talk about cyberplus punk, 638 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,960 but allow myself a little bit of the rant about blades. 639 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,840 So the thing that I don't like as much again, we're not saying 640 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,640 the thing we don't like. We're saying this segment is 641 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,600 what we like anything we're not as big a fan of What am I not as 642 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,240 big a fan of? It's just Blades. 643 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,880 I I fully understand and appreciate why people do enjoy 644 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,160 Blades. I don't. 645 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,840 I think John Harper is incredible. 646 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,880 I think that a lot of the stuff that he has made some of my 647 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,200 favorite things. I think World of Dungeons is my 648 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,200 favorite game of all time. And no, that's, I think World of 649 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,000 Games is one of my favorite games. 650 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,280 I think that Laser Feelings is fantastic. 651 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,240 Aegon is good. I like almost everything John 652 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,680 Harper has done. I generally dislike Blades and I 653 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,640 I dislike it as a book. I think objectively, I think 654 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,000 it's a a, a bad book. I think it's poorly put 655 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,600 together. I think it's really difficult to 656 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,520 parse. I think it could be cut. 657 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,240 I think half of it could be cut off and it would be a better 658 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,320 game book. Subjectively, I don't like the 659 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,760 system. I think the thing I dislike 660 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:16,040 about it the most is that it really it quantifies aspects of 661 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,760 the conversation. Air quotes for people in podcast 662 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,040 land that people say teach RPGs are in a way that I don't like 663 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,760 because I like having a conversation with the GM. 664 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,960 Isn't actually, in my opinion, supposed to be like a 665 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,640 conversation every single time where you have to interact with 666 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,720 the mechanics in a very mechanical way every time? 667 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,600 And I don't understand how a game that is supposed to be 668 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,200 like, really cinematic can stay immersive in cinematic when 669 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,920 you're engaging with the mechanics this much all the 670 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,160 time. And you can speak to that a 671 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,400 little bit more, especially because you had a bunch of 672 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,040 players play for the first time that had never read Blades, 673 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,480 right? So, yeah, so we'll discuss that 674 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,080 a little bit more. But I just don't like the 675 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,840 quantifying things like threat and effect for me as a gym. 676 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,040 I like the improv of, like, coming up with things as we go. 677 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,720 Player says something, you know, just say, all right, you know, 678 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,480 this is a possibility of the things that could happen. 679 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,760 Dope roll. And then the threat in effect is 680 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,160 something that I just don't feel the need to communicate. 681 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,320 Like to me, it it just pulls me out of the immersion to to have 682 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,120 to have that conversation all the time. 683 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:24,880 And if someone's like, well, you don't need to all the time. 684 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,160 Well, that's that's the rules. Like, if you're not going to use 685 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,320 the rules, then don't don't use the rules, right? 686 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,320 Like, and also can I interject that like threat is how much 687 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,600 damage they'll take, right? The threat levels, you have to, 688 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,640 so they have to, you have to. Yeah, so you maintain like a 689 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,640 meta narrative the entire time as opposed to like staying 690 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,760 immersed in the role-playing, which is just an aspect I don't 691 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,200 like. Again, this is completely 692 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,600 subjective. This is a me thing. 693 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,000 I know a lot of people, the love blades. 694 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,000 It's just a level of scaffolding to a system that I don't want. 695 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,800 Like I don't want to interact with the mechanics of the system 696 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,920 that much that frequently. I would rather have a system 697 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,160 that gets out of my way and you only interact with the mechanics 698 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,840 when you absolutely have to, as opposed to needing to basically 699 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,920 be riding them the entire time. So I would say the thing I 700 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,680 dislike about the thing that that is not that I'm not as big 701 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,040 a fan of is that it's Blades. I think that this game could 702 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:23,640 easily be had to have the blades Hacked Off of it and it would 703 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,960 for me be a better game. So that is the thing I don't 704 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,960 like as much is, is that it's for it's in the dark. 705 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:37,400 Yeah, As for me, my notes say also mostly blade stuff, but 706 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,200 like, you know, it is, it is incredibly clunky at the table. 707 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,440 Like it is incredibly metal. Like I, I hate to retread over 708 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,480 what you just said, but like it's your it's it really takes 709 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,600 you out a lot of the time. And I'm sure like if you get 710 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,800 more familiar with Ford's of the dark stuff, like the pacing 711 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,200 picks up. But like you are constantly 712 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,320 interacting with these rules in this very meta way. 713 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,240 And also like it is supposed to be like a like a one shot like 714 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:07,000 it kind of implies by its form that's fairly minimalist game. 715 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,880 But my players have never played any Forge in the Dark, and so 716 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,120 they didn't understand like several things. 717 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,760 And so it's like a one shot system built for people 718 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,840 specifically familiar with Blades and Forge in the Dark, 719 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,000 which, yeah, it's supposed to. Yeah. 720 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,360 It was just wasn't. If I want to play one shot 721 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,040 system, I want it to feel like a one shot system. 722 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,960 It just wasn't as light and as a one shot system I believe could 723 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,040 be. Yeah, I mean, someone on our 724 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,080 Discord made the point that really. 725 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,960 Yeah, I mean, because Forged is a APBTA child, right? 726 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,240 It is. It is a branch off of that 727 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,040 thing. It is a system that requires 728 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,600 system mastery to make it feel quick and light. 729 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,680 And for people that might be big blades heads, that's fine. 730 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,480 But if you were, like you said, if you were doing a one shot, 731 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,480 you know, it's hard to gain system mastery in that kind of 732 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,760 way, and especially for a game designed for one shots. 733 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,720 It's yeah. So I think for this segment next 734 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:19,640 time, a really great thing in like communicating with people 735 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,320 is a sandwich method. Do you know what the sandwich 736 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,880 method is? Yeah, absolutely. 737 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,240 Compliment. For those criticism, Compliment. 738 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,160 Yeah. So for those that aren't, yeah, 739 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,360 exactly what you said. If you're talking to someone you 740 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,440 want to and you want to give them constructive criticism, 741 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,000 compliment them, slide in the criticism and then end with a 742 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,080 compliment. When you compliment someone, 743 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,120 it'll make them more receptive. When you give them a critique, 744 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,760 they'll be listening more and when you compliment the end, 745 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,040 they'll leave feeling good. So I think next time maybe we'll 746 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,160 do like, don't, don't, and then like at the end. 747 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,360 So the two don'ts are sandwiched between the two likes so that we 748 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,240 can start and end the segment with the good and kind of put 749 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,160 that in the bad. I like that as opposed to the. 750 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,760 Reverse compliment sandwich, which is where you insult 751 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,600 somebody personally and then you compliment them and then you 752 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,480 insult them again. Yeah. 753 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,160 Just on their toes. This is evil sandwich. 754 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,680 It's the reverse meat on the outside, bread on the inside 755 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,240 type of day. Yeah. 756 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,760 No, I think we'll do that. I think we'll do like, don't. 757 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,480 Maybe we'll do a like and a don't and then a don't and a 758 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,200 like. And then that way we can we can 759 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,960 end the segment on a good note before we go into it. 760 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:19,760 We'll see we'll keep playing with it. 761 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,400 You let us you know what? Let us know join the discord 762 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,720 like and subscribe even I'm. Using the Discord now, so we're 763 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,280 very kind of stuff. So crazy. 764 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,640 Used it one day and now he's saying he's very active. 765 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,480 Crazy. I use it too. 766 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,560 I'm in it right now. So the the next thing that we 767 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:44,720 want to do for is, is actually go into our ratings, yes. 768 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,840 When do you want me to talk about my play experience? 769 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,400 So let's do that right now. That's actually let's do that 770 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,280 right now. Yeah. 771 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,920 I meant to slide that in here. So. 772 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,480 So, yeah. So you actually got to not only 773 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:58,000 play the game, you ran the starter adventure with people 774 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,840 that have never interacted with Blades or Farts in the Dark at 775 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,520 all. Yes. 776 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,320 Tell me how the fuck that went. So I mean, like I said, building 777 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,720 a character was really very effortless. 778 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,280 Yeah, it was definitely. I had more than one comment at 779 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,280 my table about how meta the game was. 780 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,480 And like, we're not a table that's like, oh, you can't do 781 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,720 that. It's like meta knowledge, you 782 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,320 know, like we never have that discussion. 783 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,520 Like obviously like we play a bunch of minimalist games. 784 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,080 I think that discussion for the most part fairly stupid in most 785 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,080 dungeon games. Like obviously you, you and your 786 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,080 character can't always be divorced in in what you know, 787 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,880 But yeah, I mean, my players had a good time, but it definitely 788 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,800 felt very clunky running system, having to like say the threat 789 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,480 and effect level every single time felt clunky for me. 790 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,520 And I could tell for them. It also felt very clunky. 791 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:53,200 I have two other regular GMDMS at my table as well, and both of 792 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,400 them were a little frustrated by the necessity to do that thing. 793 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,400 And for the most part from Mind the Gap. 794 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,560 Mind the Gap's a great starter adventure actually, because it 795 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,040 cuts out a lot of the like you don't pick an approach or stuff, 796 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,120 you really just drop in. And so it allows, allows you to 797 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,920 just focus on really the basic mechanics. 798 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,440 And I think it's where it really shines. 799 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,720 I, I, I will say that it's like you're in car 18 trying to get 800 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,160 to 22, which is only four cars away. 801 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,560 And it does give you some waste like loop stuff back and stuff. 802 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,640 But it feels like, Oh, I really have to start dropping hints 803 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,960 about what's really going on in this scenario before they get to 804 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,480 car 22, because that's actually, I'm not going to say actually, 805 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,000 just in case you want to run it. But yeah, you have to drop a lot 806 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,960 of hints very quickly in a very condensed way. 807 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,680 And they're also in combat. But yeah, I have my players send 808 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,240 me the things that they liked and didn't like in a text 809 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,400 message. And of the five of them, three 810 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,720 of them responded. And for the most part, it's, you 811 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,600 know, they really liked the stats and inventory system, 812 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,520 which makes sense. Quantum inventory fucking slaps 813 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,520 and is always cool, but they really didn't feel like Harm was 814 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,800 super meaningful or and they didn't really ever gather what 815 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,600 Edge meant. I did explain it to them but 816 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,160 it's not in the player guide which we are going to talk about 817 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,200 when we go the race, but it's only in the GM guide. 818 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,680 And I told them to read both. But like obviously I'm like 819 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,520 we're going to run a one shot and we run minimalist game. 820 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,280 So a lot of time for the one shot, they show up the day of, 821 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,920 then we just go over the system real quick and we drop in. 822 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,040 And this is supposed to be a one shot system. 823 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,880 So I we should be able to show up the day of, spend 20 to 30 824 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,760 minutes prepping on the system and making characters and be 825 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,640 able to drop in. And we weren't really super 826 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,200 successful at that. I mean, they did play the game. 827 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,840 They didn't understand. As for yeah, I mean, they they 828 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,040 all loved how the stats worked. They really did. 829 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,240 They liked the Knicks success, which again, I love Knicks 830 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,360 success, although I prefer success with consequences 831 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,520 instead of partial failure. And yeah, they all felt like 832 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,720 harm was fairly like not very meaningful. 833 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,880 And they also Speaking of the other track that you feel 834 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,720 stressed. They all took flashbacks, used 835 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:05,400 their augmentations and they never filled their stress 836 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,960 neither they net and like they ruled successfully a lot and but 837 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,160 you filling the stress meters not about failure. 838 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,120 It's like things that you do to fill it and it's just like, 839 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,040 well, I mean, it didn't, you know, they didn't feel super 840 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,720 meaningful that they took stress or that they took harm because 841 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,800 they just didn't take a lot. And for the harm, it's like, you 842 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,440 know, some of them would pull up arm, you know, and so it would 843 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,880 lower the the threat level. They're like, yeah, well, I have 844 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,720 heavy armor now. And it's like, well, that lowers 845 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:34,680 the threat level by a fuck ton, you know, by two or whatever, 846 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,760 so. The question is you ran it. 847 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:43,080 So again, I don't mind approach. I think the skills are great. 848 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,840 That's kind of how all systems kind of work. 849 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,880 You're just deciding on your on your skills and your stats 850 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,240 basically the threatening effect interaction is a part that 851 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:56,520 really we have, we have feelings about, right. 852 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,280 Do you think that you could have run the same thing just keeping 853 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,920 threat in effect internally and then getting the result of the 854 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,840 role and then communicating that after this the way that you do 855 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,640 most kind of OSR style games and the game went over on the same 856 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,160 like just just ignore the part about the players being able to 857 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,320 adjust threat in effect, no. Because well, I mean I guess I 858 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,000 could have run it. It would have worked differently 859 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,280 though because them knowing the threat level made like made them 860 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,920 take choices that they might not have done anyway. 861 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,560 Like it is like an integral part of the system and their decision 862 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,760 making with like the meta mechanics of this game. 863 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,080 But is it because they're aware of the threat or because of the 864 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,560 specific number of the level? You know what I mean? 865 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,520 Because even in OSR games, you always make people aware of 866 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,160 potential consequences, right? That's what I'm saying is if you 867 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,960 just said all right, like some like this is something that 868 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,560 could possibly happen and they're like, yeah, that's fine, 869 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,280 let's roll with it. That to me feels like it would 870 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,960 flow more interestingly and less kind of meta wise and being 871 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,040 like, well, that's a threat Level 3 and the effect is that 872 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,000 this and this. So do you want to raise it? 873 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,360 Do you want to lower it? I think I think really scooping 874 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,440 that out yeah, would make this in my opinion, more playable for 875 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,840 me. Someone in chat. 876 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:16,800 I agree some some meat castle game where individual says blade 877 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,960 stuff does require a more writers room quote UN quote 878 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,520 approach to play. That won't work with some tables 879 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,960 and I honestly can't imagine it as a one shot for folks without 880 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,200 experience. It took my core group about 3 881 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,160 sessions before we understood how the flow of play went in 882 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,200 Blades, which is a common part of Blade, which is common part 883 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,440 of PBTAI mean we've said this over and over again, or I've 884 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,720 said it, or I stole it from Aaron King or something, I don't 885 00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:42,800 remember. There's 1000 PBT as and about 886 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,720 four good ones. And that's because a lot of 887 00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:49,600 people just don't understand it. And the only reason I really 888 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,960 understand it as well as I do is because I read Patrick World 889 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,680 from Aaron King, which is a better explainer of how PBTA 890 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,480 works than the PBTA. Than pretty much any other PBTA 891 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,360 thing, yeah. But, but it, it was awesome that 892 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,680 you got to actually run it though. 893 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,640 And we get more insight into the game. 894 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,400 And what's great about it is, and we've said this over and 895 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,640 over again, like I've never run it. 896 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,000 But we, we've, we've read hundreds and hundreds of games. 897 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,880 Like we can feel for the most part how a game is going to 898 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,160 feel, even if we haven't run it, because I have an imagination 899 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,480 and an understanding of mechanics. 900 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,680 Does it feel like how you thought it would feel? 901 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,760 Yes, it feels. Yeah, it feels clunky. 902 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,280 It is. And we originally said it was 903 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,680 like it's very meta level of interaction. 904 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,040 And I think the riders room thing totally makes sense and 905 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,960 that's how we ran it. And but the problem is that like 906 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,480 half of my table was really into that aspect of the riders room 907 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,720 thing, but the other half wanted didn't want to do that. 908 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,680 That's not how all the other games work and, well, that's. 909 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,600 The thing about Blades and Fords in the dark and PPTA and 910 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,000 everything too, is if that is the style of play you like, It 911 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,440 is if that is the specific level of scaffolding you enjoy in your 912 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,720 mechanics and you have a whole table of people that feel that 913 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:04,840 way, I bet they fucking sing. You know what I mean? 914 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,400 I bet they're wonderful. I would to just never be that 915 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,280 guy. It's not the way that I enjoy 916 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,000 interacting with mechanics. It's not the way I personally 917 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,680 enjoy interacting with systems. And again, subjective. 918 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,280 This is a me thing, also a hunter thing, but like that is a 919 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,000 for me. That is I want to I want to do a 920 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,560 lot of people on the fucking Internet in this space don't do 921 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,680 and that is to hedge my words a little bit. 922 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,840 That is to put qualifiers in. Yes Sir. 923 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,120 A final thing before we we're out of time for this segment. 924 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,680 We'll move on to the next one. I will say that none of my 925 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,400 players chose to resist any concept consequences. 926 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,960 Yeah, because. Yeah, because they were like, 927 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,880 no, no, no, we're going. We're going to do the function. 928 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,760 Accept the consequences of our actions, Yeah. 929 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,280 Which was, like you said, that they did use armor, though, 930 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,240 which is a form of resistance. I guess that is a form. 931 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,360 Of resistance, but that just gave them edge in situations 932 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,440 though. Like, yeah, because they. 933 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,600 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 934 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,120 So they still took consequences from the role. 935 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,360 You know, but yeah, there you go. 936 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,520 All right, so the next segment, what we normally do is, as we 937 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,280 said before, we we've read through the entire fucking book. 938 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,080 We're not going to do that anymore. 939 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,680 We already went through the mechanics, we already went 940 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,160 through character generation. We're still going to go through 941 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,520 the metrics. We're still going to give 942 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,600 ratings and scores for the games. 943 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,200 And what we normally do is 5 metrics for books and three for 944 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,520 Zenes. And we've kind of broken that 945 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,480 out into 7 metrics because art, layout and visuals, we usually 946 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,080 separate books and Zenes by art and layout versus visuals. 947 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,000 We're going to go through all 7 metrics rather it's a Zen for 948 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,080 the most part or a book. But then we're just going to 949 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,960 score the five or three metrics for the that specific thing. 950 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,600 So this is obviously going to be a Zen because even if you add up 951 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,960 all of the pamphlets together, you still get like 50 pages. 952 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,680 So it's still, it's still the Zen, but the seven metrics or is 953 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,720 it 6? I can't count. 954 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,000 I think it's 6. The six metrics we're going to 955 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,560 go over are art and layout, slash, visuals, usability, rule 956 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,880 set, originality, value, and vibes. 957 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,400 Yes, because rule set is redundant. 958 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,760 But in books, what we're always going to do for scores is art 959 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,360 and layout, usability, rule set, originality and value. 960 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,920 And for scenes, we're only going to score visuals, rule set, and 961 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,800 vibes. So after we go through all six 962 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,880 of these metrics, we will go to actually scoring those three at 963 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,120 the end, and then that will be the end of the show. 964 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:35,520 So we're going to kick it off with art and layout, AKA 965 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:36,880 visuals. Do you want to start? 966 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,120 Do you want me to start or we can converse? 967 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:46,080 All right, so as I said, as I said, cyber plus punk, best form 968 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,280 factor, one of the top 2 best form factors in tip top RPGs. 969 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,360 I'll give you a little a little hint at what could possibly be 970 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,400 one of the other really great form factors for those that 971 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:03,760 know, you know, if you're in podcast land, you missed out. 972 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,760 Watch the fucking YouTube and and I don't think anyone can 973 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,920 really argue with it. It's stunning, it's gorgeous. 974 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,800 It as a product, it is insane. The art is incredible, the 975 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,040 layout all the way through is incredible product incredible, 976 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,400 layout incredible could probably be award-winning. 977 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,760 You know, if those matter. It came. 978 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:25,560 It was. Up to me. 979 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:32,560 Yeah, and as a like layout wise, getting real pedantic with some 980 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,560 of the stuff I found. One typo, 1 singular typo across 981 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,240 all of them. And now I'm not saying that I'm 982 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,920 fucking perfect, but usually things have typos. 983 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,520 I think the only one I found is a very small one. 984 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,440 It says and specific instead of a specific under the 985 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,680 augmentation. So just throw an extra and in 986 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,600 there, right, That's there. And that is the only typo I 987 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,400 found. But I mean, visually when you 988 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,520 look at it, I mean, we can, we can, we can talk about this too. 989 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:06,560 Of all what is it like 6 or 7 Zenes runner file, which has the 990 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,440 least art and stuff. I assume that we'll just knock 991 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,560 that one out between the GM guy, the runner file and all of the 992 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,000 bonus ones. Which one is your favorite, 993 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,720 favorite scene to look at? 3 in the top for me, but it's 994 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,120 and it's hard to pick from. What do you think? 995 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,160 I'm going to say Mona Rise. Yeah, Mona Rise is definitely in 996 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,120 my top. It's definitely like really cool 997 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,880 to go through and visually looks really good. 998 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,160 There's like little details that like I love that image on that 999 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,640 far right panel of like the city. 1000 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,360 I'm like, that's a fucking great visualization, you know? 1001 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,240 You know what? It reminds me of a little bit is 1002 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,880 in the Troika book. The adventure in the Troika book 1003 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,160 has like the tower that they yeah, they go in like all pulled 1004 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,200 up. It gives me a little bit of 1005 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,560 that. But also I was thinking like 1006 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,720 through blood Heartweiler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1007 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,520 That one slaps, I think. I mean, it's easily in my top 1008 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,480 three. For me. 1009 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:05,320 It's really a toss up between Predator and Plus Weird, both of 1010 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,920 which are are stunning. I love the pinks and Plus Weird. 1011 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,040 I love the cover art with this kind of like gargoyle dude on 1012 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,720 like a throne just like no fucks at all. 1013 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,400 But the the predator 1 as soon as you see that the PRDTR with 1014 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,400 like the the heat signal and the little triangle. 1015 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,080 I mean I might have to pick predator as my favorite one but 1016 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,720 artistically every single one is stunning. 1017 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,720 I mean, to the small details, even to the back of like the 1018 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:36,320 credits on the back of the Predator one. 1019 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:40,600 Are they even have like the content warning and it's like 1020 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,760 the bottom of a movie poster with the different size fonts 1021 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,560 and stuff. I mean, the attention to detail 1022 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,440 in the art and layout of this insane. 1023 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:55,160 There's not a single single bit of missed space visually that 1024 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,520 isn't absolutely stunning. It might be a tiny bit crowded, 1025 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,520 but that doesn't bother me because of the the format, 1026 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:00,800 right? What about you? 1027 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,840 What are your what are your thoughts? 1028 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,440 No, I'm sure I have some. Yeah. 1029 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,040 I mean, obviously, like mine, we're going to retread each 1030 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,280 other sometimes, you know? But like, the art's, like, I 1031 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,600 think the art's Immaculate. Like, I think it looks great. 1032 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,880 I think the layout is really very good. 1033 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,360 Although sometimes I do think it can be a little cramped. 1034 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,640 It still remains readable. And yeah, I mean opening up the 1035 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,040 box, what a treat, you know? We're just stunning. 1036 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,440 Just look at it so. Yeah, I mean, yeah. 1037 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,520 I mean, I don't know. Actually, I think I'm gonna save 1038 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,320 this next part for usability. So that's that's kind of it for 1039 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,640 me. I mean, I think visually I think 1040 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,280 it's a very evocative game and it really like lends to that 1041 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,680 Cyberpunk feel. Yeah. 1042 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:46,600 I mean, like, like we said before, when we open it up, like 1043 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:53,520 every aspect of it has cyber punky bits and lines and, and 1044 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,160 hazard lines and, and just the graphic design aspects of it, 1045 00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,200 there's, there's just not a single missed opportunity to 1046 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,880 reinforce the game. And that's what we've always 1047 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,680 talked about with art, layout and visuals and all that kind of 1048 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,000 stuff is the the you don't need a ton of art, you don't need a 1049 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,200 ton of visuals to have a good game. 1050 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,960 What's important with the art, the visuals, the layout, 1051 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,960 everything is that you reinforce the game, the system that you're 1052 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,640 playing in, right? And that's that's what's 1053 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,520 important. And this one does in fucking 1054 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,920 spades, right? Yeah. 1055 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:32,120 So Next up is is usability. So I think next time when we go 1056 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,160 through the notes, we should just put both of our notes in 1057 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,800 one section instead of two sections. 1058 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,920 Did you get that? Yeah, so because we are going to 1059 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:38,960 retread a little bit, but it's fine. 1060 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,200 So. And if I'm talking about 1061 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,600 something you're going to talk about, just hop in. 1062 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,840 So sometimes the rules are a scattered between the GM guide 1063 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,720 and the runner file and that's what am I reading your notes 1064 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:48,840 yet? Because we said the same things 1065 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,960 first. First, I will say the GM guide 1066 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,160 does not feel like AGM guide. I think it should just be the 1067 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,440 core rules of the game, like because there's nothing, there's 1068 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,880 nothing in the GM guide that is for the GM kind of vet all like 1069 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,600 it. You need to read both as a 1070 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,440 player. You need to read both as AGM. 1071 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,560 It's almost just like the rules are split across 2 scenes and 1072 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,200 you have character generation in one. 1073 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,880 But it's still important parts because we've said this before, 1074 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,600 there's information that's mixed across both pamphlets. 1075 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,120 Resist is nowhere in the GM guide. 1076 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,440 It does say nowhere in the GM guide did they say what 1077 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,640 resistance is. It's only in the runner file. 1078 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,320 Nowhere in the runner file does it say where edge is, right? 1079 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,360 And the angle roll, you asked me, you even said, hey, explain 1080 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,360 this fucking angle roll to me. And my response to you in the 1081 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,520 angle roll was so big. What did I specifically say for 1082 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,280 the angle roll? I said. 1083 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,680 It was a scavenger hunt. You're like, OK, read page one, 1084 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,400 then Page 3, then go to the GM guide, read page 2 and then read 1085 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,480 page 5 and then seven. I'm like fuck, dude. 1086 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,080 Oh. Here it is, yeah. 1087 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,520 Look at runner file page one, then page two number three, then 1088 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,960 Page 3, undertake A breather, then GM guide Page 3 #3 then 1089 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,600 read page 7, which explains the angle role, and then you'll 1090 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,000 actually understand the angle role. 1091 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,280 That's a lot to kind of understand the angle role to 1092 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,120 kind of parse all the bits and pieces of it. 1093 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,040 So that that's a lot of it as far as usability. 1094 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,880 I think that the thing that I would say, and I'm sure this was 1095 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,600 a balancing act because the original cyberpunk, I'm I'm sure 1096 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,760 did not think that it was going to end up being this insane form 1097 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,440 factor, right, or this much information. 1098 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,760 It is definitely a form over function. 1099 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,800 It was the. Original 1 is also a pamphlet. 1100 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,880 It is, it is a pamphlet. You know what I mean? 1101 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,280 It, it, it's, that's what I'm saying is it's not fucking 7 1102 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,480 pamphlets or sort of 12 pamphlets or you know what I 1103 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,120 mean? Minus the run of files. 1104 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,120 There's numerous of them. What I'm saying is I'm sure 1105 00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,760 there, there's a limited number of space in each pamphlet. 1106 00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,040 I'm sure it was a a difficult decision to decide which one 1107 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,400 goes in each one, but there was a clear decision for form over 1108 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,480 function in each pamphlet because the back of each 1109 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,400 pamphlet. I mean, realistically, if you 1110 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:16,440 look at it is a lot of there's a big section and there's not that 1111 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,640 big of a section either is of like, you know all of the 1112 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,760 information you need on it because there's logos and shit, 1113 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,040 right? So it's just a decisions I'm 1114 00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,240 sure were made to keep some things in one and some things in 1115 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,360 the other. And at that point, just say it's 1116 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,360 2 pamphlets for the core rules and one for the GM, you know 1117 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,720 what I mean? Yeah, I will say that the going 1118 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,960 towards a positive for usability other than the fact that like it 1119 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,680 is a pamphlet, like inherently it is more usable for finding 1120 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,640 stuff. Did you mention the the key 1121 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,240 terms being highlighted? No, I didn't. 1122 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,160 Yeah. Key terms are highlighted in 1123 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,160 this and so while it is scattered, you can, and I did 1124 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:04,400 actively skim the pages on the 2 pamphlets and easily found them 1125 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,600 because they are highlighted. They're black, they're blue 1126 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,800 highlighted, most of them are blue highlighted I believe. 1127 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,520 But it made finding information I needed reference quickly very 1128 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,080 easy and something that was physically holding and not 1129 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,680 digitally searching. And, you know, I think digitally 1130 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,160 searching also would be equally as easy. 1131 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,640 I'm just saying, like often with a book I physically have, it's 1132 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,080 harder to search for things. Yeah. 1133 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,960 And it is and it is 8, it is 8 pages, but I will say it is a 1134 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,760 tight, it is a tight, dense 8 pages sometimes with the 1135 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,920 language being as simplified as it needs to be, The angle stuff, 1136 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,400 for example, you, you were looking at like 4 or five 1137 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,920 different pages to get all that information. 1138 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,720 And there are a lot of parts where they use iconography to 1139 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:50,760 use that. And I'm torn on that. 1140 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,480 I think it's great. I think it's a great space 1141 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,280 saver. I mean a good fucking decision 1142 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,840 to use. The key on the front page. 1143 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,800 Put the key on the front page or. 1144 01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,680 Across the bed. Of the pages or something, 1145 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,760 because if you put on the very back page, I'll tell you right 1146 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,800 now, not everyone is going to open it up and look at every 1147 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,080 page to see if there's something. 1148 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,960 This is very much a case. This is very much a case of so 1149 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,040 yeah, this is very much a case of when a teacher gives you that 1150 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,160 like, haha, fuck you quiz where it says at the top, make sure 1151 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,480 you read it all first and #20 is don't do any of them, just turn 1152 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,000 it over. But you do all 19 before you get 1153 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,760 to #20 just so they can say you should read the instructions on 1154 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:27,720 number 1. You know what I mean? 1155 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,760 That's what this felt like of like, I literally read the 1156 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,040 entire thing and kept having to flip back to be like, wait, 1157 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,320 what's the T again? What's the E again? 1158 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,000 And then on the very back there was like the little, the little 1159 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,000 iconography thing. So I agree with you. 1160 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,240 Throw it in other places, but super smart for space saving. 1161 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,360 I mean, if you're going to do form. 1162 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,760 So that I think that's a general take for us overall is that as 1163 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,520 far as usability, it's, it's great laid out. 1164 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,640 It's easy to flip through. I also do love the way that they 1165 01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,160 did. Like you open it up and the 2 1166 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,920 pages are two and three and then you open it up again and that 1167 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,840 spreads out more. But there there are some choices 1168 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:06,320 where they clearly chose or needed to because of the the 1169 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,400 form factor, choose form over function, and that's and that's 1170 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:20,000 usability. So for a rule set, So what I 1171 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,320 wrote was almost every issue I have with the game rule set wise 1172 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,280 is that it's forged in the dark. And I'm not going to go in the 1173 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,520 deep in that we we've beat threat in effect to to death, 1174 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:30,720 but I will. Send you this one. 1175 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,920 Yeah. Hand up to to not you like 1176 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,800 laying about what to play now. But I I do want to say this 1177 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,560 other part because I did look up the page numbers for that. 1178 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,880 If the entire game can be presented IN28 page pamphlets, 1179 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,080 it begs the question why Blades in the Dark is 327 pages long, 1180 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,360 209 of which is before setting stuff. 1181 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,760 So if I can get Blades in 16 and what amounts to 8 pages because 1182 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,560 it's 16 pamphlet pages, why do I have 209 pages in blades? 1183 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:06,000 It doesn't It's, it's, that's, that's what I'll say about that. 1184 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,240 Otherwise, for me, for the rules as they Forged in the Dark game, 1185 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:14,520 if I set aside my subjective brain and put on my objective 1186 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:19,160 brain. I think if you, if you enjoy 1187 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,360 blades and understand the blade system, I think this is 1188 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,960 incredible. I think it's fantastic. 1189 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,600 And then and then on top of that, the modularity, the plug 1190 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,080 insurance, the plug in settings, all of that fantastic rule set 1191 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,280 wise again with it it setting aside my issues with force in 1192 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,760 the dark, I think this is clean. I think it's it's smart. 1193 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,320 I think it's really, really well done. 1194 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,920 I think it's really well put together. 1195 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,040 I think the parts that they do add to make it cyberpunk, make 1196 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,360 it for me a better game than blades for what it does. 1197 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,280 The final run aspect in Cyberpunk versus like the heist 1198 01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:01,640 aspect in like the weird steampunk magic thing that is 1199 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,720 Blades, I think to me is a much more successful rule set and 1200 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,200 does what it wants to do better than Blades does what it wants 1201 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,760 to do in that setting. What are your thoughts on the 1202 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,280 rules? I personally have wiped blades 1203 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,000 from my memory almost completely. 1204 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,520 So I, you know, yeah. So like, you know, I'll, I'll 1205 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,480 pick up things and they obviously they're fortunate dark 1206 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,480 things, but you know, the dice pool make success is great. 1207 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,360 I love it. I think it's a fantastic aspect. 1208 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,760 My players loved it and I realized I've not been doing 1209 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,560 enough mixed success games with them, so we'll do more because 1210 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,360 they really enjoyed that part and I was like, Oh yeah, I love 1211 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,120 that. I should run more. 1212 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,480 Success with consequence. Consequences that that. 1213 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,720 Which is what I would do in another game. 1214 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:47,760 But yeah, the the loadout in Quantum Inventory I thought was 1215 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,480 great and it works really well. I think maybe for not mind the 1216 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,440 gap, it work better because there's less like moving around. 1217 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:56,480 Mind the gap, you're really just dropping. 1218 01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,640 So it doesn't really matter if you're like conspicuous or 1219 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,040 whatever, it doesn't matter if you're slow. 1220 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,640 But yeah, I thought it was really cool. 1221 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,440 I do think that this game suffers from like buzzword 1222 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,240 syndrome, where it's a little more confusing maybe than it 1223 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,760 needs to be because it needs to use its own individual buzzwords 1224 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:16,640 instead of just calling a thing a thing, which, yeah, some games 1225 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:22,080 do. And As for the stress and Harm I 1226 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:26,080 put, I don't, I put, I think the stress bar in these is about two 1227 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,560 points too long. And I think Harm suffers from a 1228 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,600 similar issue and qualifying that maybe that the condensed 1229 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,440 nature of Mind the Gap influenced how I feel about 1230 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,080 that. It'll be interesting because I 1231 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,200 actually am probably going to run this some other time for the 1232 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,720 same group again, and we'll see how it goes from there. 1233 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,960 Not Mind the Gap again for an adventure but yeah I I think 1234 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,160 maybe those could be shortened to make it feel a little bit 1235 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,000 more meaningful and harm to hit a little harder because if they 1236 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,240 succeed in a bunch of roles they're not taking harm, which 1237 01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:00,320 in other systems where it's not mixed success like even if they 1238 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,120 succeed a lot they'll take damage. 1239 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,440 But in this one, like, if they're succeeding, they're not 1240 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,640 going to. Yeah. 1241 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,360 I mean, I, I think over overall, it's feels a little dense and 1242 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,720 clunky, but I think there's some, there's great parts in it 1243 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,720 that my players really latched to, you know, and I enjoy. 1244 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,200 Yeah. Yeah. 1245 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,120 I mean, you know the, it's just that the best parts of this are 1246 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,520 things we do see in other systems. 1247 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,480 Yes, right. Consequence, Things like that. 1248 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,400 Here. It's just the most bladesy part 1249 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,800 of the parts that we were less of a fan of and we felt. 1250 01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,320 But again, it's it's buzzworded because it uses the buzzwords 1251 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,440 from blades. You know what I mean? 1252 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,560 Like I think one thing you put in here that I don't think you 1253 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,320 mentioned was edge, when like advantage works just fucking 1254 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:39,000 fine. Oh yeah. 1255 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,000 Like, it's not cool fight advantage because you're not 1256 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,840 rolling the extra dice, but it does give you, yeah, it is an 1257 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,840 advantage in the situation, you know? 1258 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:54,240 Right, right, right, right. So so originality is is the next 1259 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,120 bit. We don't need 5 minutes for 1260 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,960 this. It's it's hard to give a lot of 1261 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,480 originality to this. It is Blades in the Dark and it 1262 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,600 is Cyberpunk 2 things that have been beat to fucking death. 1263 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,640 So I think the form factor is is is very original. 1264 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:10,760 I think that's absolutely stunning. 1265 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:11,960 Yeah. That's fair. 1266 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,080 Yeah, cuz I mean, show me another. 1267 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,400 I mean, I have some pamphlet box, I can pull out some other 1268 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,760 pamphlet box sets, but I would not want to put them to shame 1269 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:19,920 compared to this. You know what? 1270 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,280 I mean, yeah, I have a terror of the cosmos or whatever for 1271 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,520 mothership. I'm like, that's a really great 1272 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,080 one. But this is like on another 1273 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:27,600 level, frankly. It's on another level. 1274 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,440 It's it's on another level in every fucking aspect, not just 1275 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,080 specifically for that, but I mean just in in a form factor in 1276 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,360 general. And that's about it for that. 1277 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:41,360 So value wise, value, as we've said before, value is I didn't 1278 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,960 really explain what these are. I'm going to do that next time. 1279 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,520 I usually say how we quantify our terrible opinions with 1280 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:48,720 metrics. I can put that at the end 1281 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,440 though. So value is bang for your 1282 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:51,720 pockets, not just the cost of a thing. 1283 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,040 That's what you get for the thing, right. 1284 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:58,280 So value wise, cost wise from myth works on their website 1285 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:05,960 which is. Myth dot works 1286 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:11,840 www.myth.worksyoucan snag this for 2999. 1287 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,880 Digital files included, which is a fucking. 1288 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:20,960 Steel it's. Insane fucking steel considering 1289 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,160 there are some owners out there that are trying to charge like 1290 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,160 you know, 30 bucks for A50 page Zine and then another 15 for the 1291 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:35,080 fucking PDF, $30.00 for this is insane. 1292 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,680 It's a fucking steal. Even if you never play this 1293 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,920 game, just physically give it. Every time I see this on the 1294 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,680 shelf I'm excited to just open it up and look at how fucking 1295 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,080 cool it is for $30. That's crazy. 1296 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,240 And I know that we were critical of it, you know, because this is 1297 01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,960 just not the type of game that Ryan and I really gravitate to. 1298 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,040 It does do the thing it does in that style well. 1299 01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,520 But this is potential hours of gameplay. 1300 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,080 This is I want to run a one shot tonight gameplay. 1301 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,840 And you can make a one shot so easily if you were into forge in 1302 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,880 the dark stuff. This is so much play time for 1303 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,520 $30, and it's cool. It's so cool. 1304 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,399 Yeah, you know. If you're yeah, if you're in a 1305 01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,240 hours, hours, this is months of play. 1306 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,760 If you're into Forged in the Dark, you run. 1307 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,080 Motorized of play, you know? Yeah. 1308 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,120 Mona Lisa Rise We didn't even get into how fucking cool Mona 1309 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:32,080 Lisa Rise is but not Lisa the fuck off fuck off whoever wrote 1310 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,160 that to. And if it's William Gibson, fuck 1311 01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,800 you too. Motorized megalopolis. 1312 01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,920 How cool that is and how it's basically just like a series of 1313 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,840 I think 6 or 7 tables. You roll on all of them and you 1314 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:49,760 have an adventure and a fucking cool one on top of of everything 1315 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,960 else that you can throw in this, including the Predator 1316 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,200 adventure. I mean potentially months of 1317 01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:58,720 play for $30 is insane. And if you just want the PDF, 1318 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,440 the digital bundle on Itch, which is from the Cabinet of 1319 01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:06,200 curiosities, it's page which is, we'll make sure the links are 1320 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:13,800 down below too. It is E it's Emmanuel 1321 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:19,040 EMANOELMELO dot itch dot IO, the cabinet of curiosities that is 1322 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,440 the creator. You can find it on their on 1323 01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:26,400 their itch page for 1990. So it's about 10 bucks less if 1324 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,240 you just want the digital. So for $10 more. 1325 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,760 And also let's talk about how much you charge for your PDFs 1326 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,200 and fucking prints real quick. Give me 10 seconds. 1327 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:43,040 The PDF is the fucking game. Charge the price for the PDF and 1328 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,920 then just charge how much it costs for the print for the book 1329 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,800 and give the PDF to. I don't understand how that's 1330 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,400 hard. If it costs you $5 to print the 1331 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:59,200 game right, charge 20 bucks for the PDF and $5 for the book so 1332 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,200 it's $25. Like this isn't hard. 1333 01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,840 Charge more for your PDFs and less for your fucking books and 1334 01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,760 just give. I'm superior of that opinion as 1335 01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,760 well. Charge fuck your price if. 1336 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,600 People under charge for the PDFs like that is in fact the the the 1337 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,360 media. Game you're doing, you know, you 1338 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,040 think somehow the PDF and the book are different and you 1339 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,120 should charge the same amount for both. 1340 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,680 If you want $30.00 for APDF and $30.00 for a book, there's not a 1341 01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,320 fucking hardback book out there that costs $30.00 for print. 1342 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:30,160 Go fuck yourself. Anyway, So I would say best 1343 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:31,640 deal, obviously, just get the physical. 1344 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,000 My God, for $30, it's, it's incredible. 1345 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,480 It's incredible vibes for me. I mean, we've said this on a 1346 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:39,480 number of things. I'm not really a cyberpunk guy. 1347 01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,440 I'm not really a Ford sit in the dark guy. 1348 01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:46,000 If you were like, hey, I ran mind the Gap for my buddies, let 1349 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,080 me run it for you too. I would say fuck yeah, let's do 1350 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,080 it. We run something else, so yeah. 1351 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,880 But would I run this? Yeah, yeah. 1352 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,520 I would not, I would not. I would play this. 1353 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,440 I would not run it. Whereas I'm like, you know, I'm 1354 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,120 still fairly open to to running something else in this. 1355 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,960 I am not going to interact with threatened consequence out loud 1356 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,840 again. I will do the the classic thing 1357 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,960 where I'm like, hey, like this is a bad situation. 1358 01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,120 You know, if you try to do this in this bad situation, like it 1359 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,040 might go badly, you know, I'll do the classic thing. 1360 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,840 And, and let me then amend my thing. 1361 01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:29,640 If I played it like I would run a game, I would play the hell 1362 01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,720 out of this. Like I want to play Predator so 1363 01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,680 fucking bad, dude. Like I genuinely would. 1364 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,720 And you know what? Maybe Michael Elliott shout out 1365 01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,040 Michael Elliot. It's been on the show before. 1366 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,800 I love the work. Probably the first force in the 1367 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,160 dark we ever talked about was the forge in the dark solo game. 1368 01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,080 Merger. Fuck merger. 1369 01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,440 Incredible. They they have offered to run 1370 01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:54,360 blades for us many, many, many times. 1371 01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,600 I wonder if he'd be willing to run cyberpunk for us. 1372 01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,920 I know it's not it might not be actual quote UN quote blades in 1373 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,520 the dark, but I wonder if he would run this because if if he 1374 01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,560 would run cyberpunk for us and I could shut the fuck up and not 1375 01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,880 like, you know, talk about threat in effect the entire 1376 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:10,920 time. That would be great. 1377 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:18,080 But but I would play this specifically this just scooping 1378 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,800 out threat in effect in a heartbeat. 1379 01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,520 I'd also would love to incorporate so much of this into 1380 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,720 other games. I think plus weird is incredible 1381 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,320 and I think the entire way that Mona rise megalopolis is put 1382 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,280 together is incredible. They they all are. 1383 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,600 All of the bonus pamphlets are fantastic. 1384 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,640 And we didn't even talk about framework, which is also a 1385 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,440 really incredible like GM's guide to creating adventures and 1386 01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:46,520 stuff like that in short and long form. 1387 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:53,320 But but yeah, as far as vibes go, if I remove the forwards and 1388 01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,480 the dark aspects from my brain, my vibes are much higher on this 1389 01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:02,200 as is it's just my subjective opinion on just liking that 1390 01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,200 system less. So the next thing that we're 1391 01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,160 going to do, that's all of our, that's all of our metrics. 1392 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,440 That is, that is it. So the next thing we're going to 1393 01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:12,840 hop into is these scores we're giving for the metrics, as I 1394 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:17,800 said before, or as I normally say, we, we quantify our 1395 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,360 terrible opinions with these metrics. 1396 01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:25,560 We score them on a on a one to 10 basis for Zenes, which we're 1397 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,240 calling this a Zen, there's only three visuals, rule set and 1398 01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,720 vibes up to 10 points for each for a Max of 30 points based on 1399 01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:33,960 everything that we just talked about. 1400 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,680 We've already discussed in depth the visuals. 1401 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,520 It's fucking beautiful. The form factors are credible. 1402 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:41,960 What what do you think for visuals? 1403 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,520 What What score are you throwing down for this? 1404 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,520 10 Easy 10 Easy 10 It's an. Unbelievable 10. 1405 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,480 It's not like a number that we rarely give out in visuals was 1406 01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:53,680 it's an effortless 10 here. I think we've given it to Zenes 1407 01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,640 more, but that was the point of making it not art and layout, 1408 01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,360 but as a whole encompassing thing was to give a little bit 1409 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,160 more wiggle room and a little bit more for that. 1410 01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,200 So easy, easy, easy. I think it's one of the easiest 1411 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,560 10s I've ever given for visuals. Yeah. 1412 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,880 Rule set. My I'm curious because you've 1413 01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,480 actually run it. You have a much different 1414 01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:17,320 opinion. I'm curious. 1415 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,280 I don't know if you remember what we did last time. 1416 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,960 Don't guess if you don't know. So I'm curious what your number 1417 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,080 specifically is compared to what it was last time before you 1418 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,400 actually ran the game. Objectively, I think this is a 1419 01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:32,800 solid Forged in the Dark game. Right. 1420 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,440 Objectively. Subjectively. 1421 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,920 Objectively. Objectively, I don't really care 1422 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,280 for that. I think I dislike it less than 1423 01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:46,880 you do, but it's still not like my like modus operandi, like 1424 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,880 still not like the the operation that I want to do in my game did 1425 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,120 it. Wind you over to to to blades. 1426 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,560 No, but I think it's still solid and I think it might be even 1427 01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,760 more solid than Blades because it's shorter and it's easier to 1428 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,320 understand. And there's some little tweaks I 1429 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:04,640 did actually. I've been joking. 1430 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,720 I did actually go through Blades last night and skimmed it and 1431 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,880 like looked at little tweaks and there are a couple little tweaks 1432 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,680 I think do work better. Especially cause flashbacks 1433 01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,520 always cost something and they're never free. 1434 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,240 That's stupid. Why would they be free? 1435 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,120 Blades, yes. So I think for the that I'm 1436 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:25,200 feeling like a, a solid 7, you know, maybe maybe an 8 if I 1437 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,640 liked it more, but it's just really not. 1438 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,960 I don't know what do. You say 7 seven is what we gave 1439 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,960 it last time and that's about how I feel. 1440 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,000 I think. I think we were like six to 1441 01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:40,000 seven last time and this time more like 7 to I think it was. 1442 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,800 Blade seven, I think it was. It was clarified more if the 1443 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,200 like, you know, if I didn't have to search through like if it 1444 01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,000 didn't feel so scattered, if it was a little more. 1445 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,560 Formal function. Formal function, I think. 1446 01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,720 There is room for it to go up, and I think if you like Blades 1447 01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,400 and you play this like this is a fucking 9 to me, you're probably 1448 01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,480 right for you, you know? Yeah, for you. 1449 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,080 This is one of the ones I feel like I feel like we do a pretty 1450 01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,960 good job most of the time of, of hitting objective and subjective 1451 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,200 together on those things. This again, it's just not our 1452 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,280 game. But again, that's it's OK to go 1453 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,120 over something that's not your game as long as you clarify over 1454 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,400 and over again. This is definitely subjective, 1455 01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,120 right? This is not objective, right? 1456 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,200 I think the game is incredible. It's just not necessarily for 1457 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,360 me. I think it's a solid 7 and I do 1458 01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,600 think that it does blades better than Blades. 1459 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,920 I agree. I think it has a more focus. 1460 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,800 I think it has a better focus and I think it tweaks things 1461 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,160 better, which I would love instead of whatever just came 1462 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,480 out the new blades book with 150 more pages. 1463 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:49,400 I would love to see a Blades 2E where instead of giving me 150 1464 01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,120 pages, you just chop 150 pages out of the original book, 1465 01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,080 reorganize it, clarify it a little bit better, and give me 1466 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,800 something that I love as much as I love all of the rest of John 1467 01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,160 Harper's stuff. For rule set though, I think 7 1468 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,800 for this is solid vibes. I think this is 1 where I think 1469 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:06,720 I'm not sure what the score is. I'll click on it in a second. 1470 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,560 For me, I think my vibes are actually up a little bit. 1471 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,960 I I generally think that hearing your critique of the game after 1472 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:18,640 you've ran it, after your players thought about it and how 1473 01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,560 it could be adjusted a little bit raises my vibes a tiny bit. 1474 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,520 I'm not sure what to what, but what do you think? 1475 01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,400 As someone who ran it? As someone whose players have 1476 01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,640 given you their feedback? So I want to run it again so at 1477 01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,160 least that, you know, I'm not like bouncing off the walls to 1478 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,360 run it again, like I'm bouncing off the walls to like run like 1479 01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,880 Varn, you know, So, but I think this for me again is like 1480 01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:44,880 another solid like 7, you know, I think like, I like, I am 1481 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,160 looking forward to running this game. 1482 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:52,760 I am looking forward to using motorized megalopolis like I'm 1483 01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,480 looking forward to like engaging with this more. 1484 01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:57,920 Yeah. Well, that actually we gave us 1485 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,560 six last time and now that you've run it and and want to 1486 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,520 engage with a little bit more, we're going to give it a seven. 1487 01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:09,040 I mean, I'm definitely going to be conceding to you on these 1488 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,760 because once again, you ran it like like in three days ago. 1489 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,320 So so that is that is for a total of 24 out of 30, which is 1490 01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,840 still a pretty darn freaking good score. 1491 01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,680 A10 on visuals got if it could get a fucking 12. 1492 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,400 You know, crazy A7 for rule set, A7 for vibes for a total score 1493 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:32,680 of 24 for cyber plus punk from cabin of curiosities, Emmanuel 1494 01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,640 Melo and mythworks. Once again, I'm going to try to 1495 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,360 have this episode out by the end of the weekend, which will give 1496 01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:44,200 you until July 10th to go back Cyber plus punk overload, which 1497 01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,840 is a mat the 1st and a massive expansion for this game. 1498 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:49,520 And here's the thing. And I'm going to be completely 1499 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,080 honest, even if I never run or play this game, I backed that 1500 01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:58,560 shit the fucking hilt like in a heartbeat, even just so I can 1501 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,680 look at how beautiful it is and be excited once again to pull it 1502 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,160 out. I I just, I want to write a 1503 01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,160 blades hack that just takes out all the blade stuff so that 1504 01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,360 people can run their blade stuff in the way that in a more, I 1505 01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,240 guess, quote UN quote OSR style. And then I would play, I would 1506 01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,280 play the hell out of this. But if you want to run a 1507 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:20,120 predator for me or or Mona. Ryze Megalopolis. 1508 01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,240 There we go. Maybe we'll get. 1509 01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,000 Mona Lisa smiles. You know, like. 1510 01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:26,160 That's exactly what I fucking keep wanting to say is Mona Lisa 1511 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:27,000 smile. I don't. 1512 01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,040 Yeah, but I don't remember what it's about. 1513 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,040 It is. It's not like Vicky Christina 1514 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,520 Barcelona is. Starring Julia Roberts. 1515 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:36,880 Yeah, I've never seen it. I've never seen it. 1516 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:43,160 So that is that is the episode. We did it in less than an hour 1517 01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,840 and a half, which is fucking awesome. 1518 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:49,320 I think this is about what we're going to shoot for every time. 1519 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,760 Let's cut over to this real quick on what the plan is for 1520 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,760 next week. No fucking clue, but but 1521 01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,000 tomorrow we may or may not stream. 1522 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:03,720 And if you're watching this in VOD form, you're not going to 1523 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,560 see this I guess, but so you know what might happen next 1524 01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,000 time. This is my my thought for it's 1525 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:15,520 called not weekly war games and me and Hunter have a things kind 1526 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,320 of set up where every Saturday ish we try to hop into. 1527 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,600 Some VTT. Yeah, Foundry or what? 1528 01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:25,720 What's the one I'm trying to think of? 1529 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,280 Tabletop Simulator. TTS Tabletop Simulator. 1530 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,080 My break kept going. VTTVTT that's not right. 1531 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,680 We try to hop into Tabletop Simulator or something and play. 1532 01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,520 Play a war game, play a skirmish game, play something. 1533 01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,280 Or Chris P Wolf has been playing. 1534 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,280 Me and him have been playing a bunch. 1535 01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,800 We've been playing my game that I might put out soon. 1536 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,680 Which I thought was great. I played Ryan, I played the two 1537 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,280 weeks ago and I I shot him full of bullets so. 1538 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,800 Yeah, fucking wrecked the shit out of me in my own game in two 1539 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:52,880 rounds. It was perfect. 1540 01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:53,880 I loved it. It was great. 1541 01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,960 And then we've also been playing some some work cocks, some 1542 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,920 wanted, and then a bunch of other stuff from Tanner Simpson, 1543 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,320 which is fantastic. Me and Chris P Wolf has but 1544 01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,400 tomorrow you and I or you because you read it more. 1545 01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,240 But I've read it and I don't know if you saw what I picked 1546 01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:09,440 dead souls surprised. I don't want. 1547 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:10,760 To see what you picked. I saw him pick. 1548 01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,320 There's like 3 armies, then like which one of the three? 1549 01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,760 There's only like 4 but. We we are going to be testing 1550 01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,120 out Malagast from Tom Bloom, who's one of the creators of 1551 01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:24,120 Lancer who has done Kane, which is the TTRBG that we're going to 1552 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,560 talk about the last time, the only other time that we have an 1553 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:31,000 episode that didn't come out and and we're going to check that 1554 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,640 out. We might stream that, but if we 1555 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,240 do, it's not going to it's almost guaranteed not to go to 1556 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,160 pod or YouTube. It'll just be here on the show, 1557 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,120 which is something that we want to start doing a little bit 1558 01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:41,040 more. We want to start doing some 1559 01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,360 hobby time on the show, painting, hanging out video 1560 01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,720 games, saying war game stuff. Yeah, making out through the 1561 01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,760 phone, you know. The phone. 1562 01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,840 Yeah, but we're we're going to start doing that. 1563 01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,680 So catch us maybe on some Saturdays for not weekly war 1564 01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,160 games. And tomorrow, as I said, whether 1565 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:02,560 we're streaming or not, we're going to be checking out 1566 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,480 Malagast. We'll let you know next week 1567 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,960 during the intro session how Malagast went. 1568 01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,040 That's all I got. How about you? 1569 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,560 That's it. All right, have a good one, 1570 01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:12,720 everybody. Bye.