Hello, and welcome to the weekly.
Scroll podcast brought to you by the adventure archive, my name
is Ryan. And with me today, we have a
very wonderful special guest Kirby of disaster or is mm, how
you doing? Want to Kirby, I'm doing, pretty
great. How are you?
You know, I was always um, so why don't you why don't you tell
the people who might not know who curvy of disaster?
Tourism is a little bit about yourself.
Damn, I'm really bad at this part.
I'm Kirby me and my partner Kristen run, disaster tourism.
I do the writing and Design work, I guess.
And Kristen does all the art and layout.
We have a kid named Luna, she's really sweet and also a
nightmare. I don't know what else to say,
really. I mean, that's kind of all I
got, hey, that's enough. I mean, so you because you've
only been doing this for it was very recently, your one year of
doing games, right? Yeah.
So I started I mean, one year
ago in October was my first published book with exalted
funeral and we we started Doing like digital stuff a little bit
before that. But that was really when I kind
of decided like this is something I want to pursue.
Like not just do as for fun, you know, something I actually want
to pursue before that I had been working on this really big
project was the first thing I ever did basically, after
discovering that other role-playing games existed and
starting to read them and collect them and I was like,
okay, I'm going to write my own thing but I'd no idea what the
fuck I was doing. And so, I spent about eight or
nine months doing that, and then eventually, I was like, this is
a lot of work. Let me just do something smaller
and then I jumped in, I did a business card RPG and then I did
another one right after that small sword, and little Ranger.
These two little like, basically play pretend games where you
just throw a card in the living room and roll some dice, you
know, and then after that, I kind of Started to work on
games. I didn't War which was like the
solo detective like 1920s Dick Tracy kind of thing.
And then after that I did Paranormal and that was the game
that got published with the F. And then since then I've been
like, okay I think I'm figuring this out, you know, I kind of
got a Vibe so yeah it's been a it's been a, it's been a great
year though. I mean, like, we put out a lot
of put out a lot of material, I think.
Like something good stuff. You know what I mean?
Like, it's not just stuff, you know, like each one feels good
and distinct and and you know, purpose like has purposed each
one. So, it's really good real quick.
And I'm sorry to interrupt you because I've made myself a
Post-It note to not forget to do this and we're not, right?
So we're doing a giveaway today. You have a new book that is out
now and it is that right there. This house is haunted.
So we're going to be giving away.
I think we said three softcover. This house is hot in today, so
let me make sure that I did this, all right, if I hit start
Boom, chat a giveaway for softcover, this house is
haunted, has started for viewers, use exclamation point
giveaway to enter the giveaway, and that should cycle every
couple of minutes on always keep making sure it does.
So all you have to do, you don't have to be here at the end.
I'll hit you up at some point either through will either
through Discord, if your inner disk or door through which, if
you don't have anything else and get your address whatever and
get that sand out to you. So as soon as won't give away in
the And we'll do that. So But what were you saying when
I, when I, when I interrupted you for our wonderful giveaway?
I don't even remember man. Yeah got a lot.
Oh yeah, we put out a lot of material this past year or so
and in something that I'm excited about is the development
of my own skills that I have kind of built over the past
year. So there's yeah, Ryan's got some
of the books there are resident collector of the weekly scroll
here. Yeah, I know the feeling Yelling
trust me. I know the feeling I have a lot
of hard covers over here but it's been it's been a really
good year because we not only do we put out a lot of a lot of
stuff but I've also throughout that process have learned a lot
about like games writing and it's not really that easy.
It's I think there is some Simplicity to it as far as like
like the concepts of how you can make a game function, but Making
them playable is like a different task.
I think than just making them readable and to make sense, you
know what I mean? And that's something that I
that's one of the one of the reasons why I put out our newest
Halloween project was the triple feature, which just came out
digital-only, but it's all three of the games that we released
last year and Halloween with exalted funeral.
I basically rewrote them. I'm proud and Confident in the
books that I've released last year but over this past year
I've developed a lot more skill and I for technical writing and
stuff like that and I really wanted to kind of expand on that
a little bit and go back to the things that I really liked and
be like, okay let me like release a second addition to
this, to make it like a little more clear, make it more fun
more playable more like a little bit more explanation for the for
the people at the table. So, there's not too much
confusion when people sit down and look at a book that has four
pages and they're like, what the fuck am I?
Like this, you know. So which I totally, yeah, I've
done that. Yeah.
Yeah, it's hard though. You know when you start to write
stuff because there's that like, I get it.
I wrote it obviously. So I get it, you know.
Yeah. And how do people not get it?
It makes sense in my mind and then someone looks at it and
just goes I have no fucking clue what this says here.
Like what do ya mean by this? You know.
Yeah, that's something that that's one of those things I'm
saying. Like with the things that I've
developed over the year and kind of that that What appears to be
ease of how it looks easy to write a game, right?
But it's not because you have to figure out how to write.
So that people who have no concept or a context for what
you're saying can easily jump right into it.
And that's something that is a skill that you have to develop.
It's not, you know it's not something that's very easy.
So that's that's a question. I mean, the whole well, that's
a, I guess the topic two extent. So you try to write for someone
who's never played a game before like that, they could have an
understanding of anything that you put out there as opposed to,
you know, someone that's obviously like our Niche hobby
that's played. You know, that has a bookshelf
of games, like, that's something you're striving for more in your
writing now than you did a year ago to make it where anyone
could just pick it up and play it.
I would say it's a little bit about, so I think that my, the
skills that I've been trying to develop have been to develop
more clarity in my writing so that there's no confusion when
someone reads. So, somebody that doesn't have a
lot of exposure to TT, RPGs can pick up, you know, sweet tooth,
which is the new version of bucket, bash, and go.
Okay. Yeah, this is like a LARP or
like, I can just play this at the table with my friends.
Like, and I understand how this works as opposed to what Bosch,
which I think is still great and I didn't really change too much
of it. That was one of the ones that I
barely actually edited. I just added some clarification
to, but that one is kind of, I think that knowing how a
role-playing game functions is makes understanding those those
books, a little bit easier. So.
Yeah, I think that, that developing, that skill is
something that I've been working on, but I've also been kind of
moving away from games in general and trying to push my
great more into Adventures writing.
So that's also a totally different thing as well.
But yeah, I think that that's I don't know.
Yeah, I guess a little bit, a little bit about, you know.
I mean, it makes sense. And, and that was another
question. I was gonna ask eventually, was
you put out a lot of games, you know, and a lot of people start
with supplements or hacks or things like that.
But what I guess what was the original when you were first
putting stuff out? I guess.
What's the shift from? Okay, I'm putting at these
games, you know, like like like weird into adventure riding is
what you're talking about. Now are like Kind of like this
house is haunted. Like, what I guess?
What is the impetus to transition over a little bit
more? Well, there's a million systems.
That's one, right? So there, you know, and and no
shade, the game's designers because I am one at all, I think
writing systems is not easy. It's, you know, and it's fun.
It is very fun to try and take a concept like, in bucket bash and
Sweet Tooth. We literally Jarrett from
exalted funeral was like I need a third game for Halloween and I
was like, all right. Me and Kristin were like, can we
use a bucket of candy as a game? Mechanic?
And that was like, the whole thing.
We started with that and I wrote, I wrote a game from and,
and, and it works. And I was like and that's
something that I think is really fun is to is, figuring out those
like, how do you take something mechanical and turn it into
something that's fun, right? But there's so many systems and
this year like I don't know, a few months ago, I just kind of I
was working on a project that I think I may have abandoned.
I don't even remember which one it was, but I probably abandon
it because I have so many projects.
But I was working on this project and it was going to be a
game. And and then at some point I was
like this could just not be a game.
This could just be, this could be for Troika, right?
Like I don't need this to be it, I don't need this to be a game
and then I started thinking about that more and I was like a
lot of things that I want to write could just be adventures
and or settings for things they don't like and I think that's
one of the things that a lot of people do with their new
systems, is that they work so hard on developing a system of
rules and mechanics that fit to a setting and a style of play
that they want instead of looking for.
And I'm not saying that they have to do this obviously, but
instead of looking for, hey, maybe there's this, you know,
maybe there's a game out there that already functions this.
Sway. Why don't I just write a setting
an adventure because in my opinion and this is how I kind
of em now that actually unlocks a lot more potential for you and
in your creative writing and your exploration of the topic
because when you're writing a system, you have to kind of keep
things a lot more concise and like dialed in so that the
players and the game master, if there's going to be a referee
know that or have like this, like the It's for your game that
you're writing whether that's how you decide to play or not,
you know. Some people don't care for
guidelines and whatever but for me it's like if you look at if
you wanted to write Something that was much more like you had
this Grand idea for some heavy fantasy thing.
Why spend all this time trying to develop some kind of
mechanical system for it and just go balls deep in the Loire
right? And come up with some really
cool setting and adventure and then just tack on the stat
blocks for a game. You like, you know, and it makes
a difference to me. That makes it a lot more easy
for the development aspect of it.
But it also is just more fun because you get to just We be
more, I think you get to explore a lot more of your your creative
side, you know. So that's kind of where I
drifted in terms of where I'm at, you know, from the past few
months to a year in jail while, I mean, even with like this
house is haunted, it's pretty just like 0s are, you know what
I mean? Like, here's very much ice.
Here's some damage Dice and that, and the rest of its all
just flavor, like dims of great flavor roll table, stuff like
that, you know, and that does open it up for, I mean,
especially when you're selling things, right, like If you make
a new system in one that's looking for a cool new system.
Cool. Right.
But not everyone is we know for the billion people that won't
play something else besides fucking diving.
A lot of people find their comfort game and they'll play
their comfort games. Exactly for game is Troy karmic
board or whatever it is. You know, if you put out a
supplement that can be either, then you can hit both, you know,
so I mean, it definitely can open up a ton more because I
know any time I find a new game I love like, you know, like
Lovett derf has a couple of Adventures because if I want to
play Dirt it's great to have an adventure to goes with it.
And any time people put out things for Troika or, you know,
when someone puts anything over bastards or something like that,
it's great to be like, I really like bastards.
He was an adventure for it. So, yeah.
I think that's, I hit the wall on the end of that tangent
train, but I guess, prior to that, then earlier, when you
were actually making not, when you still are With that in mind,
what was the impetus for like weird?
So that was more of a I would say some kind of Creative
challenge weird was like a challenge for me.
It started as a I had just come out of a room Quest campaign.
I had been playing in that for a few months and I was playing
another campaign for a while and then I just I wouldn't say quit.
I left all of my campaigns because I needed to just take a
break from playing in like long-term things for a while and
I was but I was really inspired by Rune Quest even though
request is ridiculously We a heavy-handed.
I don't know if you ever read or play to ruin Quest, but it is
really, really crunchy rolling rolling for damage, rolling for
where you hit similar to Warhammer fantasy roleplay where
you roll for, where you hit. Your armor has hit points.
Each piece of armor has hit points and you can you know,
it's like lots of stuff like that and so I'd come out of room
Quest and I was like I really like the way that room Quest.
But we're inquest is so crunchy that it's almost inaccessible
for even someone like me who enjoys crunchy games to some
extent. So, how do I write something
that has that feeling? That is like the minimal
possible rules? I could possibly come up with
and that's where weird came out. I was, I wrote four pages of
rules and I have another game coming out that is When we can
talk about this later when we talk about weird a little more,
but I have another game coming out in the next couple months,
that is kind of an expansion on this.
That's like a bigger, I guess. My first weird hack, right?
That is the kind of Pinnacle of my goal of creating the, like,
crunchiest possible rule set, rule set with, like, the fewest
amount of rule the crunchiest possible feeling for the fewest
amount of rules. So, that was kind of where this
came from. So I, my whole goal was Farmers
should armor should affect you. It shouldn't just negate damage,
right? You should you should write, you
know. That's so there was just this
like modifier that I added and weird the made that was
basically it. But that was those, the go for
weird, you know, it was to create the minimal possible
rules for the crunchiest possible feeling.
I could, you know, Yeah, and for those that haven't seen weird
like it is not, it is alt it says, ultralight for a reason.
Like, it's literally, like, not a whole lot of words across what
amounts to about three pages in a character sheet.
Yeah, like that's it. That's the whole thing.
Yeah. So and then there's Copper State
Games. I believe has put out what it
is. Dave has put out basically took
this. It was like, let me add in all
of this other stuff to it. What what did you think about
that when you were like, this was my goal and then someone
said tacking on all this this other stuff.
Hello, pleasure. Yeah, yeah.
Gabe, gave us a really good friend of mine and he actually
asked me, he was like, hey, is it okay if I do this?
And I was like, fuck you dude? Are you kidding me?
Like this is like, you know, the system the system that I wrote
for this is so small that it was basically designed to be Just
piled on, right? Like that's that's one of the
things I like about it is that it's so simple that you can kind
of do whatever you want with it. You can take anything you want
and just add it to it because there's almost no rules, but
there's enough rules to keep it together, right?
That's about all there is you know, right?
Like it's almost more of a framework than anything.
Well, that's exactly. That's exactly what it is.
So that's and that's something. We I don't know when you want to
talk about that but what you do I thought that at some point
today right now we're talking about it.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm going to be releasing the weird framework which is the
next version of this. It's not really any different
it's just a bit more. I added like one or two
sentences of clarification on how to use it and then I think I
edited like one thing and I'm releasing that with my next game
which is called tentatively called Game which is you have
read I believe in earlier version of a while a little
while ago but basically I'm going to be launching that on my
website as a whole thing. It's going to be a framework for
people to take and just do whatever the fuck they want with
it. And Gabe release, the profane
weird which is just fucking awesome like black metal, you
know, Dark Fantasy shit. All written for weird and my
buddy Tom has two big books He's working on right now and they're
going to release at some point in the next few months.
Or hopefully we'll see, I actually don't know if he
started working on him. That's I shouldn't say that.
But but yeah, that was kind of my, that's kind of my like plan
for weird right now. And, you know, I've got wired,
just like the cyberpunk version. Yeah, you go and another buddy
of mine has like seven or eight versions of the game that he's
working on, you know, his own little hacks, he's got like
whacked, which is like the Mafia one which I know they are all.
So it's cool. I'm excited about like the the
possibilities of it and I think we're I'm not trying to make
more money off it. I'm just I want to re-release it
as a framework so it's clear that it is what that is, right?
You can play this game as is and people have and people like it.
You know, I Rusty played, did a really cool AP of wired with an
adventure, I think he got out of cyborg.
And I thought that was pretty cool.
Like, you can totally play this game as is, but it's definitely
more of a framework to build on top of than it is to just play
by itself. But yeah.
Those are, those are such great games.
Oh, like I really enjoy what a lot of people in this scene are
doing lately. We're lucky they'll dropping
game and like an SRD or a kind of like a framework with it and
then just see like what people have gone and run with it.
I mean things like breathless and Nova, well, like the whole
Lumen system and things like that, where there's these
systems, and one of the things that you said instead of people
making their own entire games, being able to be, Like, okay, I
really like, you know, weird and instead of me coming with a
whole new game, a limb take this framework, and this thing that's
not weird at all, as you know, in the like medieval sort like
sword and sorcery fantasy thing. Yeah, you can do Mafia, you can
do whatever you want. Like, Lumen has things that are
like, you know, dark like hedge and stuff like that.
That are not space fantasy. Destiny stuff.
It's completely different, but it's all the same framework,
which is fantastic. So I'm really excited as a
framework to See what people tack onto it and later like
whacked especially like I'm really excited.
I just like the creativity because I was like word.
I get it wired. I was like okay this is cool
that it's four letters and starts with the w but then when
it was whacked I don't know why I cracked up for like 5 minutes.
Yeah, well when he told me that I was like, oh my God like I
didn't expect you know and I showed you this before the
stream but another friend of mine did hired which is like a
mercenary pack of this. They did this for the Jam that I
hosted back in June or something which is really great.
And but I was cracking up because I think like a good
half, a half of the half of the people that we're doing, we're
like all right, what four letters can I come up with the
like that was like that's our I love that, I love that but like
it's not a requirement but like seriously there's not an even
higher. No, there isn't a Hardy right.
Hi with a tap Mark over and then Rd.
Yes. Only for Letters.
That's a that is a. That is an unofficial
requirement if I do we're throwing down.
Yeah. So are you going to do?
Are you going to do a weird Jam? I am.
Yes. So that's a plan of mine.
I'm gonna, when I release the framework and I release the new
game that I'm putting out. I'm going to host a jam for
probably, for adventures and or hacks of this of the system.
And we'll see what happens. I'm gonna I'm going to be
publishing some of the stuff that comes out on my website.
So I don't know, you know, I'm going to be doing problem.
I'm going to be I'm going to be printing or Distributing the
profane weird from Copper State Games.
Will be Distributing his book on because I'm going to create a
section on my website specifically just for weird
stuff. So I'm going to end up
distributing some things and we'll see I mean if there's
something that I really really really like It comes out in the
gym and I'm like, I want to actually spend my own money to
print this. I will like, you know, reach out
to the person who wrote it and be like, yo, can we do like a
partnership here and, and sell this on my website, you know?
Because I will say, you know, it'll be fun.
But for the most part I just I love running jams like jams are
even when I don't actually participate in them and just run
and manage them. I love doing it because I love
seeing people's creativity, like like just come out in like
restricted sequences or so. Estimate or whatever.
Because when I did the ultralight Jam, the rule was all
the rules have to fit on for Pages.
You can't and it has to be a 5 so and obviously readable.
So, don't do like 33 Point font. But there were some people that
came out with some fucking cool shit.
Like some really cool shit with like just two simple restricted,
you know, restrictive rules and I think that that's so cool.
So I'm excited to see what people do with the new with
another game. You know?
Yeah, I'm stoked for the gyms, that's Of those things where I'm
like, I want to do this. What am I doing?
I'm never do anything. Obviously, the closest I came
was to the one-page jam. I was super excited and there's
actually a game. I'm still working all the time.
Like this is the one I'm actually going to release some
time but it started as already just the front and back of one
page and that's not fucking easy.
I'm not you, what? No, that's not a whole lot of a
game, you know. I mean, I had respect for people
that can do like business card games and actually be like, this
is awesome, you know? Yeah, because it's like 50
words, you know. That's what you get.
So yeah like you said I can't wait to see what comes from the
from the weird Jim and I we were just talking about your website.
I know before the stream you talked about it just a tiny bit.
You had started to migrate to basically just your website is
place of people can get your games.
What was it impetus to do that? And like, how is that, how is
that process? But well, it hasn't been super
great but I it's a challenge because I'm still using.
I've just actually went back to also publishing on itch in the
past, like week because I really wanted to get some of these
teams to get some sales because each has like their own built-in
algorithm for putting things on their front page and showing
people things that they wouldn't normally look at stuff like
that. Whereas my website is its own
thing and it just exists, right? So that's been a challenge
marketing is not Easy nor do I really enjoy it.
So it has been, it has been a challenge but the reason I did
it was because I wanted to start Distributing my own products.
One of the main reasons is because Shopify is really easy.
Is a really easy like system for selling like there's Inventory
management and built-in like tools for shipping and all kinds
of stuff like that. So it makes it really you know
they print you can print packing slips and shipping labels and
all the stuff. It's all built into their to
their system. So it's super easy to run and I
didn't really want to deal with all that from each because
selling physical products on. It felt a little bit more.
I would have to like search through emails and see my sales
and figure out which ones were physical products and then go
email. The people are like, you know,
figure out how to get shipping, I didn't just feel like dealing
with all that. I also wanted to move into
Distributing other people's products as well.
So that was one of the reasons why one of the other reasons why
I kind of switched over to my own website.
And, you know, it's just kind of it's a nice thing to link your
website. That's like the the The the
vanity part of it, right? It's just like hey check out my
website, right? And it's my thing you go on
there it's only my stuff or stuff that I have chosen to put
on there you know and I'll all the money goes to me.
Like there's no percentage that comes out to, you know,
whatever. So that was kind of a thing.
It is a challenge though because there is not really any one that
promotes it. But me I have to do a lot of
marketing work and this house is.
Haunted did pretty good. I luckily got a couple distros
to pick it up as well, to help me kind of fun.
The print runs because that's kind of a big deal.
Upfront cost is pretty hard with books, but, yeah, I'll tell you,
it's a lot different than a crowd fund.
It is, oh my God. So much.
Yeah, I was doing that. I was doing that the shipping
info for the dark last night. And I was just looking at all
the people that bought books that was like, there's so many
people that bought these books. And I was just because I'll
crowdfunded that. I kind of promoted like on
Twitter a couple times a week, right.
It's a lot different. Yeah.
And we'll get to that for sure
now. So are you, are you planning to
try to be completely only on your website or you gonna do?
Cuz I know there's a bunch of creators out there that do,
like, you know, you can get the digital stuff on it.
But if you want, Physical copies.
It's on my website. Are you going to try to kind of
split the difference that way? Or you're going to eventually
try to just be just your website?
Eventually, I would like to just be on the website but that was
what kind of this? This house is haunted and the
Halloween games. I realized, you know what?
I didn't have a long time to promote these because they, we
were kind of, like, in a crunch period, right?
Before October came out. And I want to get these two
people before October is over because they're specifically for
this month. I was like, you know what, we're
just going to push these out on the edge and get get some more
eyes on them because why not? Like I already had the edge set
up. There's no reason to just
abandon it 100% when I could be benefiting from it but
eventually I would like to migrate away from it.
And I dunno, I dunno. There's a lot of creators that
use both. I think if it made sense to keep
it up just for digital, I would keep it up just for digital and
right now it is just for digital.
So I would probably just keep it at that wet.
That way, you know. I would have to figure out.
So for right now, on my website, I have automatic discounts for,
if you buy a PDF you automatically get 25% off
applied. If you decide to pick up
physical print, copy of whatever you bought.
So I would have to figure out a way to do that with itch.
I don't know. I may be some kind of code, I
would email people or something but that's that's a discussion
for another another time. You know, I think in this might
be just a random thing I've gotten emails before when I get
a PDF and just attached in the PDF.
Like file thing is just a thing that says email here for this
code or something. So it's oh yeah, file in the
folder. Yeah.
So you're looking to become a distributor, I mean, Tom's in
the chat and like, you know, I pr spirituality like do you want
to get to that point where you're like like a spirit kind
of thing, making games and and But distribute and of games to
we're primarily game maker with some small distribution or what.
I think I'll my goal right now and as far as I can really see
is just very limited specific things that I want to pick up.
So like Tom's a good friend, love Tom.
I bought fungible for my website because I was I think it's fuck,
it's going to be a fucking great game.
And yeah so I was like I'm going to I'm going to buy Book and put
it on my website because, you know, at the very least, I lose
a couple bucks on my business account.
But I'm supporting my friend who is making a cool book, right?
But I don't think I'm gonna lose any money because it's a good
game and that's kind of how I'm looking at it right now.
Like it's mostly going to be for my stuff, but I do want to move
into limited and very specific and targeted distribution for
things that I personally. Think are really cool even if
they aren't going to be popular, even if I don't even if somebody
else doesn't find them popular, I might be like yeah, this is
really cool. I'm going to spend 50 bucks on a
couple copies and like put them on my website.
You know, just really help you permit.
Help. Promote stuff.
I wouldn't ever. Hopefully, I would never well, I
don't know, I don't know. I might be.
My goal is not to reach spear, which level Jarrett school.
So I wouldn't wanna even be in competition with but I mean I'm
selling my books to Spirit which so I can't even.
Yeah, one of the things we talked about are we touch on a
second ago was crowdfunding projects.
One will talk about the dark but to how was the process of crowd
funding a project? It was the The worst, don't
recommend it for anybody and I'm trying to avoid crowdfunding for
the rest of my life, but it is also easy money, which is the
problem. So, I, this is the dark.
We've got the shipping is going out for this in like the next
two weeks. So anybody that bought it is
going to get some copies, and then finally, I'll be able to
put the rest on my website and people can pick it up after
everybody else has their copies. But This was this was a passion
project I've been working on and I was like, you know what, let
me crowd from this because I really want to get it a lot of
books out to people and like and it it blew up like my first
crowdfund and probably only crowdfund but it blew up and I
was I was utterly amazed at how much people like were interested
in it but it's also just crowdfunding.
He's a job like The actual the work that you have to do to
manage all these, like all the promotion for it.
And, you know, constantly ants answering questions about like
things that you've already answered several times.
Like you just constantly getting emails like.
Hey, when is this happening? And I'm like, I've already up.
Send you an update like several times, like, please stop asking,
but it wasn't. The person is smart.
People are stupid. You know.
Yeah. I know nothing for sure.
Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's It's a whole it's
a job like crowdfunding if you're not a project manager
like I keep talking about Tom because Tom is literally like
that's his like that's his thing, Tom was Project managing
and he helped me a lot with this you know sending out emails to
like LGS is all over the United States.
He was like a big big help in my crowdfunding aspect so I can't
thank him enough for his help but I wouldn't have it probably
would have been as successful if he didn't do that work for me.
Which I did pay for. So let's be clear about that,
but I don't want to do that again.
It was like, it was just even, even with this house is haunted.
I consider crowdfunding it. I also considered selling at the
EF and doing like their partner, print partnership, which would
have gotten more eyes on the book right away.
But I just was like, I want to do this by myself.
I want to, I have money already. I could do a pre-order for a
hardcover print run and then let like, you know, let the rest of
the let another print run be covered by a couple sales to
some distros and print this myself and see how that does and
it's done. Okay.
You know, I didn't it's not the nearly the numbers that the dark
dead because game found is a, is a crowdfunding program.
And they, you know, they advertise and send emails, and
post blogs and it's on the front page.
And you know, everybody can see it.
Whereas, this is literally me and my Publishing like I talked
about earlier, publishing marketing emails and stuff like
that. So, it's a challenge but it's
one of those things that I don't like marketing, but it's
something that I want to be better at because I think that
it's a skill that I need to develop.
So that's kind of where I'm at with it, but the crowdfunding I
just didn't, I didn't enjoy it and game found made it even
harder because game found a sound terrible.
Fucking platform. Is my next question?
Let me cry. Yeah, I listen to your list. to
interview with Adam and and I know Amy and Adam talked about
it a little bit at some point in the past couple of months, but
game found is just not a great most for me, I didn't have as
much problem with their self promotion or with their
promotional aspects as much as I did with their websites,
interface is terrible to navigate and Incredibly
difficult to figure out where things are and how to set up
things and like it took me several weeks to figure out
where bye Orders were like I was just navigating the website
looking for and I would see something and I would forget
which thing I clicked and I had to go and then eventually I just
had to email somebody that you know where the fuck do I get
this shit? And they were like oh on the
home page. You click this button to this
button and then you go to this and also great fucking can
orders button like this lady, the whole purpose of like what
we're doing here. It's it, there is but it's like
there's also another thing in the order.
There's another orders button that doesn't go to the same page
and the main doors As button that I was clicking was on a
different section of the website in the dashboard.
That's not the say it's, it's yeah, it's just, it is a
nightmare. So, if, if somehow you use
crowdfunding project again, not game found is what we're saying
here. Yeah, not gate down.
That's that's that's two, that's Owen. 24-game found on people on
the show. Just just throwing that out
there the crowdfunding in general because I mean there are
creators out there people like, you know, Phillip rechristened
icon Like that, who like this is, their whole job is just
running crowdfunding projects, put out cool content, but it's
like one crowdfund to the next round Fund in the next round
one. The next, yeah, I found fun, you
know, and some of those people this point, it's like, I assume
they're just like, so dialed into the process and it's got a
lot of the same people are back in the next one.
But if it's, I mean, that's, that's like you just said that's
a whole job. That's literally like all they
do. Yes.
Just drop the thing. I don't know how they get time
to actually put out content when it's like every four months.
There's like, Another project that they're rolling out.
It's crazy. Yeah.
And the other thing about crowdfunding that is a big thing
for me is that it's kind of, like one of those.
It's like a flash sale kind of thing where everybody gets real
hype about it for like a week and everybody dumps their money
into it. And then you just forget, like,
I got a crowdfunded book in the mail that I forgot.
I bought like, because nobody talks about the shit, right?
And that's one of the things I don't like about the
crowdfunding project aspect is that It's and for the dark, I
know that this is a fact because nobody's fucking talking about
this right now, even though I'm hoping that will change once the
book is published and I start promoting it again, but but
right now nobody's talking about this game, but when it was a
lie, I had several people AP it. Or when the crowdfunding has
happened, I had several people AP and I had a bunch of, I had a
couple blogs cover it. I had people doing like, you
know, actual plays and tax didn't like all kinds of shit.
So and they weren't things that I was necessarily asking.
For I had asked, like, maybe one or two Two people to do it.
But I had a bunch of people doing that.
And that's one of those things that I think that crowdfunding
has a negative aspect of is that there's a huge hype machine when
it's live and then once it's done, it's done and both.
Yeah. Basically, what time is, it
fire-and-forget? Like people literally shoot
their money at you, and then forget that they even did.
And I honestly guarantee you could probably run, allo, allo
fun, campaign and just not even Fill it and you would probably
have like, five complaints like people would just forget that
they even bought something from you.
Like that's how I'm saying. Did you say Avatar?
I know? Yeah, right, yeah, they go,
right? Nobody's talking about that
game. And that was one of the biggest
that the, the biggest crowdfunded game in the history
of Kickstarter. And I, you know, I remember that
I bought that game, I'm going to sell it as soon as it comes in
but you know, it was a year and a half ago, I think at this
point but this is, this is Is the problem I think like the
I've had a couple. Yes.
Tom, you're right. That is fraud.
We do not. I was just saying as an example,
you could. Oh yeah.
Sorry we don't promote fraud on on the web control podcast just
for you guys listening watching. Yeah, so here's so, for a couple
of examples, one I thought was the one that jumps out in my
head right away is Red Giant from I don't know why it's
blinking in my brain right now. But the when they put out this
book, it literally was like we're done.
It's done. As soon as the campaign's over,
you're going to get a PDF and then here's a code and it goes
out. So from the time that you pay
for the thing on day, one and get it in your hands, it was
literally like 40 days. Yeah.
And to me like that, that is a fantastic way to do a project.
Rookie just do D. Oh, I'm sorry.
Blanked on that one. And I'm sure that I said that
when you look at a game like, habit are right, you get this
huge campaign and all these people talk about it, but
there's one, everyone sees it at the same time.
Little bit of promo, but you hit start and the whole world sees
it at once. And everyone can get hyped at
the same time, but then when you get to the point where it's
like, okay, we're now we're going to write it.
It's going to be a year before you hear anything.
Yep. Right.
Everything. Dies down.
And then then the backers, get the pdf version and then like
Six months goes by and then the backer start to get physical
versions and then six months goes by and then it's open to
the public all of these people that were so hyped for it, and
roll blogs and stuff, or whatever.
See, a lot of projects and I've backed fuck, I'm well, over 300
now on Kickstarter and I can tell you It's like Christmas all
the time. Yeah, what is this?
Let me go back and see what I actually got this.
But yeah, that's part of the that's part of the problem
though, is that the the from the hype to actually the public
getting access to it for most projects I would say the average
time it takes for me to get a Kickstarter.
Project is a year - Mmm. Yeah, so are you can't hide for
a year and a half? No, you can't.
And that was one of the things that I was a little not annoyed
with but Just like it was dragging was with this.
I had these books in my house for months ago.
Like, literally, I think I ordered them the day after the
campaign ended or maybe a week when I don't know, it would have
been a week or two after the campaign on it because I had to
wait for the payment to clear they came in like within two
weeks and I had him in the house but because I had like fool
planned stretch goals. I was like a fuck now, I gotta
wait for all this. Shit instead of just putting
these books out because I don't want to, you know, and I'm super
happy, I got, you know, I don't know where the fuck they are my
cassettes. The cassettes just came in for
the companion album that I get that I commissioned, right?
And then handles, do the candles down, see ya?
The candles are fucking fantastic but the candles were
done that the week. I ordered them like, you know,
this this girl, Toshi's, fantastic.
She got them all done right away, but you know, I've been
waiting on all the extra stuff and that was one of the things
that's another thing about crowdfunding is like, you have
you kind of To have all that extra stuff and stretch goals to
entice people to give you more money, so you can make sure you
hit your different goals for printing costs and things like
that. But every single thing you add
ads time to your your your weight, right?
If I hadn't had any stretch goals or any bonus content, this
would have been in your hands four months ago but because that
I had to wait. And that's not a negative thing
because I'm really proud of this book.
I think is a really good game and all the stuff that we're
getting and shipping out is is awesome shit.
We got the LFO. Sorry books and the bullet
journals and the cassette tapes and the stickers and the
candles. And, you know, the music that I
agon did is incredible. I don't know if you downloaded
it yet. I sent out the band camp codes
like last week, I think, but it is it's fucking incredible
stuff. So I'm really happy with it, but
that is an example of just, for a small solo game, the things
that I thought would be fun and exciting to add as bonus things.
We ended up causing a huge delay, the shipment process of
it. And that's one of the things
that I'm like, I don't really want to do that again.
I want to just when this is done, I wanted to be done when
the book is published and or printed, I want to sell it.
And if people want to buy more stuff, I can be like, okay,
well, hey guess what, I have a lot of money left over from the,
from the pre-order Capri doors here.
Let me like, you know, send somebody some money and write an
album that can go with this, or some shit like that, you know.
And oh, now it's available my website.
If you already own this, here's a discount code.
Code kind of thing like that, you know, see that's that's such
a smart way to do it because even if you did even, let's say
you crowdfunded again, the dark and then put out the candles and
all the other stuff on the website with, with discounts,
you know, that's the way to get it in people's hands and then
kind of do stretch goals later with the incentives or whatever.
But I mean, and again, that's why, you know, the people, you
know, I see Philip reading Christian icon because they're
the people that I see literally doing it all the time, zero
stretch goals, not a single scratch called, like this is it,
and Phillip. Reed will even do one day.
One day crowd. Projects, like I mean, I know
that I can't think at all. Spencer Campbell did rune for
one week and was like, thank God, if I had to do this for
three weeks. I do, you know, freaked out.
So, I can't even. I mean, it's hopefully something
that I never want to do. Yeah, I only did the dark for 14
days because I had already known.
I had already seen several people, I don't know any
Spencer's work, but I've seen a lot of other people talk about
how long Crowdfunding is like the standard 30 days is like a A
Century of marketing and I was like, I'm not doing that like 14
days, like it's a low goal, I think it was $1500, was the goal
when I hit that like within the first 24 hours and I was just
like, I'm not even going to try this.
Like this is ridiculous. So so what do you think, what do
you think made the dark kind of blow up from that?
Do you think it was like The Wretched alone system?
Do you think it was just good marketing?
At the right time. Like do you think?
It's just cause it's fucking awesome.
Like, well, yeah, fucking awesome.
I mean I do I do I do have it is I'm not honestly, I'm not sure.
I think it was the first time I really marketed myself.
So I had a lot of to help from Tom.
Again, he's basically my employee at this point, but
yeah, I the I think maybe resonated with people a little
bit, I'm not sure. I wrote this based off the
ritual, which is one of the best movies of all time.
In my opinion, I absolutely love that movie and I think, maybe,
I'm not really sure to be honest.
I guess people thought it was cool.
Yeah. Like the candles was a fun, I
think maybe that might have enticed some people as the idea
of using candles instead of a block tower Jenga Tower.
You're right in saying NOS 0. The ritual is god, tier horror,
I'm Not Gonna Eat You Alive and got a list.
It is incredible. No molest, watch it.
And then play the dark. Yeah and I have a ground.
I've read most, I read a lot of the dark, it's one of those
things. It's like and you do want to
read the whole thing cover to cover and then yeah.
Like you know, yeah but I think maybe the candles thing is was
helpful because it is, I thought it was pretty unique.
That was something that Gabe from Copper State Games.
Gave me. He had play tested the game in
its original format, which I think may be used to block tower
at the time. Way back in like April or
something. And he was like wait what if you
Did like a 10 candles thing where you use candles and I was
like, holy fuck, that's a good idea.
Holy shit into. And then I spent like, I
literally spent like I think 12 hours doing like like over a
period of a couple of days working on this like equation
trying to figure out how many candles I needed to equal, how
many blocks you would pull out of a Jenga Tower before Falls
and It was a lot of math for somebody that's not good at
math. So but I got it.
I think I got it. I might actually have put too
many candles. I think you should only have two
candles but for candles is good. No it was it was really fun.
This was a fun one to develop because of that like that that
aspect trying to figure out how that works and then writing the
prompts and stuff was wretched in alone is not actually an
easy, it's not an easy system, the right.
It's a simp. It's very simple system.
And this goes back to what I first went out.
When we first started talking, like, game design can look, and
is to some degree somewhat easy, but there is a lot that goes
into writing that is very difficult and to make it clear
and that was something that I had that I really kind of
discovered with this one well, that kind of ties into the whom
you said to with the dark like not, you didn't make a whole new
system because you have the dart you know if you use wretched and
alone to do it what is Did that ever cross your mind or when you
thought of the dark, was it always going to be a wretched in
a long game? I think, when I first came up
with this, it was going to be a wretched Malone game.
The original actually, I'm trying to remember, if this kind
of spawned itself out of Evergreen Wilds, because
Evergreen Wilds, was originally going to be a retinal own game
last year, like in. I think it was like last, I
don't even know last summer, I came up with that and like June
of, like 20. One and then I moved away from
Wretched alone and then moved into something else, but I still
have that retching balloon thinks it in the back of my head
and then that kind of came out here.
I think it would have worked. See.
This is this is a good example to the dark.
I'm really proud of this love this game want everybody to buy
it, but I think this would also be great as an adventure for
something to like this concept is a great example of where do I
write this as a game? Or do I write this as an
adventure? And I'm really great.
I'm really glad that I wrote this as a game because it's a
great game and I'm proud of it. But I also probably will, at
some point take the same concept and turn into an adventure like,
Yeah. Because it is one of those
things where y, like, and I'm glad I would not have taken this
and written my own system for it.
I'm glad Chris has wretched Malone out there because, you
know, it's a great Solo System for people to use.
But yeah, I that's I'm looking at this down.
I'm like, all right. Wait, hold on.
I like right now. I'm literally thinking how do I
become the monster in? The ritual is so good.
It is so good, no spoilers. I won't say any spoilers but is
so good. And I'm just like how to cook
right now. I'm going to write a adventure
for this, right? Let's do it.
Well then you're already here personally control.
This is going to be the dark you know do the adventure version.
I had a question about when you were talking about not going
with you. Bender and printed your own
thing. How was like the self printing
process for a book, like, finding a publisher, like, doing
all that stuff? Like how, how does that go?
Do you have like a local printer?
And then they do all that kind of stuff or how did the
hardcover? Softcover of like this house is
haunted. Kind of play out that way.
That was pretty easy. I just use mix a mix, a really
easy also make some. Yeah, I there is a local printer
that I'm actually probably going to a friend of mine used to work
there called Fireball prints. and they do booklets and stuff,
they don't do hard covers anything, but I was gonna get in
contact with them because if their prices are equal to equal
or even close to mix amps prices then, Save me on shipping and
time developmental time and all kinds of stuff.
It's much smaller, print shop. So but makes a great because you
know, they have they have a lot of their customer service has
incredible like for huge print company.
You know you send them a message or call them and you get a real
person within like five minutes. Like, literally answering all
your questions. I with this house is haunted.
I wanted the books as soon as I could after I uploaded them and
the layout and art and all the stuff took long, long time.
And it Ding was a whole process because it's a really big book
and Tom did a great job editing this book but it's a it's got a
lot of text on it that he had to go through like a bunch of
times. So it took a lot longer to kind
of develop and get ready for print than I wanted it to.
So when I actually had it ready for print, it was like the last
week of September and their normal production, and shipping
time is like, two to three weeks, and I called them.
And I was like, I need this book like October 1st, and I know
that I'm late, but like I I need this because it's like for
Halloween and the guy on the phone was like, all right hold
on. I'm going to move your
production to a production facility that's in Baltimore
instead of the standard one that we use over here in wherever and
then I'm going to put an urgent notice on your order.
So that they know that as soon as this is done it needs to be
ready for shipping the same day and I got it like four days
after I ordered it. Like that's how ya like that's
and I was just like I was so thrilled with that.
I was like, there's no reason like mixing and fucking great
like holy shit, you know, and their prices aren't bad.
Like, you know, you they have a lot of options, especially for
the hardcover like I could have gotten ribbons done but that's,
you know, more money and I don't the books not big enough for
ribbons, but I was like, do I want to remove than?
Yeah. I was supposed to ask you about
the math that went into the D, 666 table.
Oh Jesus. How long, how long did it take
us, to figure out how many, we are me and Tom were so bad at
math. I think we spent like an hour
one night. Like, trying to figure out how
many entries go into a d66 able because we could not fucking
remember? Yeah, we were like, is it?
218 is 236, is it 216? Like what the fuck?
And I had to, like, go through and count every single one.
And then after like, the book was in layout.
I realized that I missed one like a whole number, like a
whole entry. I just wasn't in there and I was
like, Fuck, inside a come up with one on the spot and then
I'll be like, is this for get? This is work.
But yeah, that was hilarious. So some out is the final number.
What is D? 666.
Don't ask me. I don't know.
I think it's, I think it's six times.
Six times six, right? It's yeah, so it's too okay.
Hey Thrift, thank you for if his written the D 6666 means.
Twice. I think so, Thrift would know.
Yeah, 216 1296, they're, they're good 1206, yeah, let's yeah.
Okay. Can imagine in 1296 problems of
illegal. Literally, if I get anything, I
can't, and Thrift is done it twice for Troika.
So she gets all the praise in the world for that.
Man, I we talked about Troika you're a huge strike a fan.
I'm still, I'm still on the fence.
You know what, I got recently that made me like not like truck
or more but is the kind of truck I liked.
I actually recently got the medic or ghost book that they
finally put out. It's more of an adventure than a
lot of the other Troika books that I've gotten a lot of them.
A lot of trick I get is like here's like one page of setting
and here's like 30-something backgrounds, go play a game but
I'm like, I need more. Like I need like it's a lot of
implied stuff. A lot of like open doors for you
to run into. I need a little bit more and
meta gorgo says an actual like setting and stuff for time like
this, that literally like, okay, now I get Troika, you know what
I mean? Because it's a great setting or
yeah system. Yeah.
So I think more than anything, it's just the way that people
write the supplements, I'm like, I need just a little bit more
structure. My brain does not function in a
way where I can just like, like, have someone open a door and go,
go do whatever you want? Like, I mean, hallways, you know
what I mean? I need other Is to open.
Yeah, no for sure. And that's actually something
I've kind of migrated into as as opposed to away from is using
and enjoying Adventures pre-written Adventures as
opposed to this like PBT a style like anything goes, you play
the, you just play the story and narrate.
What happens in see where you go?
No Adventures. Kind of like no prep TMS and
stuff like, that's how I've always played.
But lately, I'm like, no people put a lot of effort into writing
adventures and people are really good at writing Adventures.
Why would I not want to play them right there?
So cool, I haven't gotten Metagross yet.
I've heard it's fucking amazing. I do have a great one called the
forest primordial, which I really liked.
I ran that for my girlfriend last year, and that was really
early this year and it's really good.
But that's actually one of the reasons why I'm running the
trick Tober Fest Jam. Is because I want more people to
write Troika Adventures because so many people just write
backgrounds, which is what you're saying, is that there's
books? You know, and that's not a bad
thing. Backgrounds are fun, backgrounds
are super fun, I write them loving.
I've got a thing of backgrounds coming out next year with a
couple other really cool people, but that was like, everybody
fucking rights backgrounds. I want more trick Adventures
because trick Adventures, if for nothing else are just fun to
read because they're just so wild.
And, and I want More of that. So like that.
Yeah, I was like, when you do a game jam on itch but you're not
allowed to do anything except for writing an adventure for
Troika. That's what it's for and you
don't get to submit anything else.
No bad specify than just. I actually I've specified, you
are not allowed to add backgrounds to your tree or
Adventure, if you do it gets disqualified from the dam like
you're not allowed its Adventures only.
So listen, that's the jam. I gotta, I gotta snatch on to
that when we eventually played Troika heater on the on the
adventure archive. So yeah, really excited to and
Gorges to, like I said, the problem with collecting so many
games because I have to fucking many games into to the amount of
money I spend, it's unnecessary, but the problem is with
adventures and stuff like that, I never want to read them,
right? So like the number of games that
we've reviewed on stream and I'm literally, like I want to read
the adventure for this so bad, but I also want to fucking play
this adventure and if I read it, I can't ever play it.
Like, I haven't read the starter adventure for cyborg.
I haven't read the starter adventure for gosh.
Like like Frontier scalp like Any of those things?
Any of the ones that we've gone over even well the know I read
the one for Derek because I'm gonna do derf and I'm like I
just want to read this so bad but maybe maybe Jason Errata and
maybe I'll actually get to play this one, you know?
Yeah, somebody gorgos I've touched into it a little bit.
I've done. Whatever I've seen the structure
of a little bit more but I'm like, man, if I could get like a
me to run Medic or goes instead of me having to run it and I get
to experience it Debbie. Great.
So we'll see but Troika. Jim means there's ton of
Adventures out there so that's always an option.
Yeah. I mean that's yeah like I was
about to say the same thing as Thrift just just fucking read
them anyway man. Like I know that there's that
sense of exploration and Discovery when you go into this
like Adventure completely blind, right?
I know that feeling well but like if there's something you
really want to read you just got to read it like you know, the
aisle, Luke earrings, the aisle is like spectacular, right?
I mean I have a picture of me reading it in my pool like I was
literally like that's how it grossed in it.
I was it was just so good and I already forget Get like almost
all of the thing because I read it like, 32 months ago, or
whatever. So, like maybe that's maybe
that's a plus side of having, you know, a th DS that I can
read adventures and then not even remember I own them and
then somebody else will run them in a way that sounds familiar.
The number of times I've had to dig through my my library to be.
Like, do I own this book yet? Because I feel like I own this
book already, but I don't know. This blanket and then I then I'm
like oh wait. No, I do own it and I read it
like three. Times is too many times.
Yeah, like the number of times I've almost bought bones deep
again is ridiculous. And then all of the Post-it
notes that have to like constantly be here.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight five, nine.
Post-it notes in front of me right now.
You're more organized plan on half of them.
Yeah, what What did I feel like I scratched off my last
question. What the d66 math?
What? What else we got to talk about?
I got some upcoming things that are I'm excited about working on
its upcoming. What back her up?
I got a Mothership pamphlet coming out, so finishing that
up. So I don't have a timeframe for
that. I got to Troika things.
I'm working on, one will be sometime next year.
That's a bigger, a bigger Adventure that I'm working on
that. I'm trying to try to explore
some of my childhood Trauma from religion with.
So we'll see. That works.
Which is another reason why I think eventually writing is so
cool. It's a good way to explore that
kind of stuff and then we got a big project and working with Tom
and a bunch of other people I've chatted with Tom a bit about the
yeah, which is going to be really cool.
I'm excited about that. And let's see, I got a I got a
project that I'm working on with Luke gearing and a couple other
people that's going to be. It's just a it's just a Troika
background Goofy. Project.
But it's fun. It's it's called d66 pack, and
it's going to be 36 coasters. Each of them, has a unique
Troika background on it and there are written by six
different authors. Each author doing.
Six backgrounds. See, that's awesome, though.
That's something you can have in use a mic.
Yeah, exactly. Really have fun with that's
awesome. Yeah.
So I'm working on finding a laser cutter right now or a
printer to do like, wooden ones and probably do a pre-order
situation for that. Just to cover the, got you the
call. + + + looking. I mean, fuck Lou.
Gearing is a really, really awesome writer so work and he's
really great how has it been working with?
Like, I mean did you know a lot of people in the industry a year
ago when you first started or is this all just come about now the
enough no I didn't really I still I still feel like I don't
know anybody but now I mean it's kind of you meet the right
person. You make the right friends and
then you just kind of meet people through a of people and,
you know, I would say, I gotta I gotta say like going back to
like our first. Our first thing we were talking
about when I first got started like Jarrett Crater from his who
was at exalted funeral. He's just like the He's like the
reason why I'm still doing this, he is like an amazing person
first off but he like he kind of like gave me a lot of guidance
for no reason. Like he saw the game that I
wanted the publish. He was the first person.
I think the first person that ever bought, one of my games on
itch and I was like, who the fuck is this?
And then I realized it wasn't. I was like why the fuck did he
like it? And then and then I I think I
sent my think I sent like a digital version out to like the
exalted funerals Discord. And I was like, hey, check this
out. And then like I don't remember
if I emailed him or if he messaged me on Discord and was
like, hey do you want to print this?
And I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
Like and he just you know he helped me so much.
He did a lot of editing for me in the early stages before like
I had any money to pay people for editing and he was just like
Let me just do this, like I'll just help you out like you know,
you're getting started and he pointed me in the right
direction. Gave me all kinds of like tips
and like, you know, any still like just he's fucking knees.
These amazing. And that's one of the reasons
and he's one of the people that kind of connect to meet other
people. And that's kind of where, where
I was getting with that, but I wanted to make sure I went back
to that and just gave him like the biggest.
Shout out of all time, because the Dude is, is incredible.
I wouldn't even be doing this. It wasn't for his, like,
encouragement in the early days. So, So yeah, that's that's
that's a dancer. Yeah.
I mean I haven't had the pleasure, but I know a lot of
people you are not the first person that said that, he
doesn't know that, he's an awesome, awesome person.
So really interesting to see how some of the stuff is going to
play out with with some stuff. I even forget the question that
I asked that even got us to that question.
Did I know people before or right?
Yeah. And then you're talking about a
lot of these connections are. Yeah, a lot of these connections
are newer within the past few months, but, you know, it's one
of the things I've come to realize, is that like these
people. They're, they're also just
people, you know, so like a lot of these people seem, like
these, like big scary game. Developers, like Luke gearing is
like, Literally a goofball, you know, he's this big scary dude
who writes great stuff. And he look, he's like the
big-name guy, right? And he is, he's fantastic
writer. But he's also a fun guy and he's
just cool, dude. Right like.
So like you just messaged him big.
Hey, do you want to do this thing?
And he'll probably be like, yeah, probably, yeah, you don't
do that. You know?
Like I was like, hey do you want to do a stupid, stupid coaster
project for Troika and he was like, that sounds really cool.
So you know, like that's I'm trying to get There.
It's, you know, like if I saw like fucking, I don't know.
I Kardashian to some shit walking down the street and be
like a Kardashian whatever, you know, but then when when
somebody in our little niche that like 99.9 percent, the
population doesn't know about, I'm just like, like, oh man,
like I got a tweet or whatever and I'm gonna try to get past
that, it's funny because I wrote something about that once where
I basically said that similar thing and then like johaug all,
like, tweet something like, hey, we're just people have, like,
like, call my wife. I'm like, this person really you
Why do I'm talking about, right? Yeah, I remember that exact
feeling. It's cool.
It's cool but I and I don't think it's ever going to go away
because I mean, even even, you know, and we've been tweeting,
we've been talking on Twitter for a couple months now, right?
Like in this point and, you know, it's and how long was it
before you even asked you to come on the show?
You know what I mean? But a lot of its that, you know,
what I mean, a lot of it's just like feeling, you know, like
we're fucking nothing. You know what I mean?
As far as the pocket goes, it always started is just like me
dicking around, Hunter hopping on and doing whatever and then
I've got to meet awesome people like you who at this point this
is why we do it is to just makes our fucking day like whenever we
get to have like not only an awesome Creator whose stuff we
enjoy playing and love reading but then like you said like
there's people and just about everybody.
I've got to talk to in this in this scene at least is good
fucking people. You know there's Very few people
that I've been like, man. Who?
All right, well glad that one's over.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Which is I mean it's great but also like you know, Twitter's a
hellscape and I do my best to really filter down to, you know,
you have there you a very direct audience with that.
So I can I cannot get, you know, we've lost too many people
recently in the industry too many good people because of
because of that kind of stuff. So, yeah, the block button is
the thing, make sure you use it. So anything else we got coming
up? I know you said I Mothership
pamphlet which fuck I can't wait for mother ship to come out.
I know a lot of people are dropping a lot of Mothership
stuff and I can't wait for 1e but anything else on the horizon
we talk about the word framework.
Mothership pamphlet you got The Coasters coming out Tom that you
know I'll probably crowded with the Troika stuff.
Good game kid that is what I was trying to get to Guild name.
You sent me. I got a copy that a while to go
to go through. It's awesome.
What is what's the plan with Guild gave like when when are we
going to get the word framework and go game actually like out?
And is it going to be website? Only we can print it, will very
likely be print, that's the plan and I'm thinking I'm going to do
kind of what Jared at spear which did with the aisle and the
vanilla game where it'll do a probably do a pre-order for the
print copy of Guild game, which will come with a print copy of
the weird framework and then afterwards it'll Just be print
copies of Guild game with no copies of the weird framework.
I I'm hoping to have that going at some point in November but,
you know, we're working on the editing right now.
I want to play it a bit and just, you know, I'm pretty
confident everything. I put into the game at this
point. It's a, it's a bit different
than what I sent you before. Now, you know, I've made some
minor changes to the way things work, but for the most part,
Kind of the same, but I just want to like, actually get it to
the table and be like, okay, you know, normally I don't really
play test things that are smaller because you can, I, I've
gotten to a point where I can kind of look at it and just be
like, okay, is this going to work or not?
Which also has helped me clear out my shelves because I can
read a book and be like, hey is this going to work or not?
No. Okay.
I'm getting rid of this game but um, but yeah, that's kind of my
goal is kind of just do that. Like make Sure, make sure it
functions properly, the way that I wanted to wanted to.
And the way that I really wanted to function is that people get
it to the table and have fun with it.
Like, that's the main goal, right?
That's the only goal. I just want, don't want anything
to get in the way of that. That's kind of what I'm looking
for. So that's it.
Really November. Hopefully we'll get print stuff
going on and Yeah, we'll see. Hopefully, you know it's going
to be pretty simple. I'm going to, I'm aiming for a
nice that my girlfriend's working on a nice crisp like
black-and-white layout. Everything's going to be super
clean simple. A lot different than some of our
like this house is haunted is pretty wild.
So it's gonna be a lot different than that one.
It's fun though. It's a good time.
Like I really enjoy. Especially when you flip to the
like the very first thing that you like flip to the very first
one. I'm like, this is a good first
one. Yeah, I mean this is like it
definitely hit you right in the face and goes oh this is what
this book is. Yeah.
So my girlfriend did a really good job with this.
I'm super proud of her work with this book like yeah.
Exactly. How is it working with your with
your significant other on on big projects?
Like this? That like with money involved
and everything, like just it's actually great.
We don't argue that much about most of the stuff, you know,
like I've kind of, I don't have a super artistic eye.
So I kind of just like, let her do, what the fuck she wants with
her stuff. Right.
I'll tell her kind of like what I'm aiming for or like here's a
couple things that I think Inspire like for Guild game.
I showed her the aisle. Micah did great last.
Out in the aisle and I was like you know, I don't want it to be
this but like you know, think simple clean text, you know,
just something easy to read, right?
That's kind of all I said, right for this house is haunted.
I was like go fucking buck wild with it like use you know do
photo manipulation dude your own and sketches do whatever the
fuck you want and I made a couple changes on my own at the
end just after seeing everything.
I was like oh you know what? Maybe I actually want to do
this, right? And you Yeah, I ran up higher
and we were good. Go every now and then will butt
heads on like I want this and she's like no.
But that looks stupid and I'm like, but I want this anyway,
you know. So you know every now and then
that happens. But she's a she we're since
since the website has kicked off and we just did the pre-orders
and we're sending an email. She's been loving that, that's
her thing. She loves packaging and sending
shipments has. So that's like, you know, she's
like, I'm in charge of the shit, you don't do fucking shit.
You send me the send me the packing slips and then you don't
talk to me about it like, You know, so that's her thing, which
is good because I'm terrible about.
So I'm glad we kind of we really like actually balance out really
well together with this kind of like business that which is
great. Yeah.
Since I was fun.
Yeah. All right, let's think I think
we're I think, I think I've asked you about just about
everything I possibly can imagine.
So talk about where I know we talked about your website, a
bunch. We talked about uh page your
website is a disaster tourism dot games.
And then people out there. Yeah, definitely go check that
out. It looks fantastic.
You changed it even since last time I looked at it because I
think this big header across the top, has not always been there.
There was like more purple on it.
I think before too. When I went home.
Maybe. Yeah, maybe I don't remember
ever and and then your each page you are disaster tourism on
itch. Yep there's s tourism that itch.
.I oh yeah, I on there. Just is just digital stuff.
I'm updating I think right now I have everything up to date as
far as what our recent stuff is. And I've kind of removed.
Yeah, I've removed the older older things, like bucket, bash,
and the old paranormal slasher off my itch now and updated
versions or now on there, so people want to pick them up.
Now they're going to get the new editions of the games, but you
can also get them as a Three pack kind of thing on my website
for a discounted rate. Now, at one point your reps, I
did have a merch tab that was completely empty when we can
disaster tourism merch. When can I wear, I?
So, we had some sure, we had, we had disaster.
Tours on merch, we will have it again.
Never fear. Kristen is currently working on
that. We had a couple T-shirts that
were pretty popular. Some people really like them.
Yeah, the melty, the melty skull is one of my faves, she's going
to redo that. When I actually.
And we're probably going to use some some of the money we get
out of the books and actually order, like stock of shirts,
instead of doing like a threadless thing.
And we're going to do like patches, some patches and some
more stickers and stuff like that.
So it's coming soon but we're still working on that and I'll
shoot you I'll shoot you some freebies for you know because
you know Have a good week ago. People were buds Caribbean
disaster to Friend of the show friend of the show part of the
elite, the elite out there that have been, okay, so we're so
we're not done yet today, actually, I don't even talk
about Tom, a lot for those that don't know what time dice Maven
me and Kirby about to just hop off for just a second.
And Tom is actually going to come on, and we're going to go
through both weird and wired here on the show in the North.
Weekly scroll fashion talk about these actually review them as
games because we are ostensibly a game review podcast and we're
going to keep doing the giveaway until the end of the show.
And then, you know, I'll pick a couple of winners and and we'll
send those out to you soft covers of this house is haunted.
That, you know, we've been talking about, that's my
background here, you know, and everything.
So Kirby, thank you so much for coming on, I super appreciate
it. Thanks for, you know, providing
the stuff for the for the giveaways and everything salute.
I'm super excited for everything that's coming out.
You know that I mean I'm gonna have all of it so I know you I
know you. So so yeah.
So stick with us everybody. I'll be back in just a minute
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Hello and welcome to the weekly schorl podcast.
I started like we started and haven't been live for an hour
and 40 minutes but we're actually just back.
It is me Ryan and Tom also known as dice Maven, how you doing?
Top been pretty well, huh? Out you, you know, I mean I'm
very tired and keep blanking out, but we'll get through the
day. Um, so for those who have come
in and the next and the last, like 10, 15 minutes.
We were just interviewing Kirby from disaster tourism.
I'm in Tom's name, came up quite a bit because Tom, is a pretty
cool person. I believe, at least we first met
during exalted con right for Deal of lead with colonist or
yeah. And since then I've also reached
out to Colin a bunch more and you know, I wouldn't say we're
buds or anything but like I think that's popped up in the
interview of like how there's a feeling of like these authors,
who put out some the really like and you're like oh wow.
But then you get to know them they're like oh you are just
dude. Yeah again I'm trying to get to
that point with a lot of people split steered it is.
Speaking of Colin say I we might be here a little bit more Colin
here on the show in the next couple of weeks.
So we'll we'll see. We'll see how that goes.
But um but since then you know, we've been chatting a bunch and
and then when I was going to occur Beyond, I know that you
guys are buds actually more than I thought I didn't know you had
done as much work with him as with with them as as came up
during the interview. So how did you first meet her?
Be those games were about to go over.
Whoo. So it's a comp probably being on
the exalted funerals, former official non-official Discord
than Acropolis and yeah, sorry, they reached out to me and That
we started talking about RPGs and stuff from there.
There's some Tick Tock stuff as well as on the Tickety Tock is
that we're at one point I still am.
I think the last time I was on there like posting anything?
Like I look like I'm being held captive promoting my own game.
The. Well, were you was that the we
uncheck doctor fungible fungi able?
Yeah there's a there's a pretty awkward like I had I'm bad at
writing down things and reading them.
So I just had to like keep recording off the top of my head
and like, say the say this say this, I don't think I blink
while doing it. And now look at us now, we're
here. So so when I was, when I finally
did ask her to be on the show, you know, we are a game review
podcast, so I was like, okay, like we're going to talk about
this house is haunted. We're going to do a giveaway
still going on. If you're in chat I'm you
haven't been here in the beginning, just hit exclamation
point giveaway. We're going to be giving away
three soft covers of Kirby's, new book.
This house is haunted but I was like what game could we do and
also block They word are weird. We have to do weird, but you
have to do wired, because weird is not a big game and we've
talked about profane word and stuff before as well.
So this is what we're going to do today.
That's our plan. Once I stop rambling is Tom and
I are going to go over weird. I do want to talk about some of
your stuff you got going on to do, you want to do that?
Beginning July the, yeah, I don't mind leading a little bit
in with that. So So you mentioned the profane
weird, the evening before like we met through playing, we deal
in lead at exalted con. I was actually up super late
since Gabe, the author had covid, and we were just trying
to get that ashcan like out and into the exalted funeral free
RPG bundle and Like, that was the whole thing.
I just completely whacked my sleep schedule.
So, like because I remember, we had to be up pretty early for
that or late. However you see.
It is Collins time zone. So yeah, I did the editing and
like Dove on that Gabe is an awesome author.
I look forward to seeing the non ashcan version.
I've been getting teased. There's of the layout looks
phenomenal and it does add a little bit of a weird crunch
which some people might like that.
Some people might not and that's the beautiful part about the
whole weird framework. Like when I talk to her be about
it, I say you know that's almost more of a game engine than it is
a game but it's still a completely functional game.
Like it's More minimalist than say, like games on divorces,
17th century minimalist. Which I believe they pull from a
lot of similar Inspirations as well.
I, I'm not going to put words in Kirby's.
Mouth on that though. But yeah, so I'm currently
working on a flip book. I think, is the term for that?
Where one side has like 30 pages and then upside down flip it,
got another? Yeah.
It's the Divine weird and the Arcane weird and the Arcane
weird covers creating spells I'm borrowing some ideas from Thrift
mm answers incantations for bastard.
Do you recall asking permission to have a role tables and stuff
like that for making cool spells?
And I'm very excited about that stuff, like miscast backfiring
and not to pull too much from DC, but something similar to
spell burn will definitely be in there.
It's nice and weird. And then the Divine weird will
cover more clerical priest. I suppose.
It. Do you like the vine side of
casting if that makes any sense? And yeah.
Absolutely. The rituals and also, how to
make your own five. God, Pantheon.
As as someone who has done a little bit of world-building,
that's always a little bit of a pain, you know?
Yeah, absolutely. And so I have the have that on
the burners right now. Along with How Bizarre 36 weird
merchants and it'll be a little bit of a paragraph prompt.
Probably a bit less than that of some quirky Merchants.
They can just weave into your weird Adventures or campaigns.
Like that's what I love about this framework.
Is that you can expand it into more than a single Like one
shot, you can actually play small proper campaign.
If you want to like tack on these additional things or just
make up your own, you can calvinball it and it's totally
fine. Absolutely.
And like you said is I mean it's more of an engine than anything
and I mean even looking at weird versus word, which we going to
do today, you can see like the slight differences, I can fit a
whole different game, so it's definitely going to be.
I'm excited for all of this stuff that's coming out from
something. Literally, like one of the
smallest games I've probably ever read.
That's that's not a business card.
And yeah, it is. I voted for broadsheet when they
were choosing formats but they happen I was told this is going
to be the summer of the broadsheet.
I was let down. I mean, it could be the the
winter of the broad sheet. If you want to start bringing it
back, it's gotta start somewhere.
Since I think mix em does not have a trifold pamphlets.
Currently maybe might be doing the by folds are ya.
And is there any non word related project?
You want to talk about it at ease a little bit or sticking
with it? I'll stick to the theme because
anyone, who knows, knows that fungible is currently pre
orderable right now on backer kit.
And there's plenty of links to that on my socials, which are
all at dice Maven. And if you find one, that is not
me. Well, you know, show them some
love, maybe, I don't know. I, we talked about it on with
Kirby a little bit. I cannot wait for.
Did we, did you know? It was fungi able is it, are we
funding? Now we're I am loving the.
I will probably add a note in there saying, you can feel free
to pronounce this. However, you like, as I realize,
it's not quite a portmanteau. It is just a it is a name visual
gag and I've heard funky available fungi liable, fungible
fungi, labels what I said at first because I think I told you
is a shower thought where I'm just going fungible fungal Bowl.
And that led to the whole concept.
So yeah, what's funny is I've actually some people have looked
at it and thought it was they know the word fungible when
their head went, well, I guess it's spelled with an i I
wouldn't have thought and then didn't put together that it was
fungi as in the mushroom as in, that's a whole thing.
So it's maybe a dash would have been a smart idea.
Hey listen, man, it's up to interpretation.
It is what it is. And I'm a big fan of that.
Hey, II can't wait, you know what, I can't wait for his that
challenge going. That is what I just pushed out
an update a little bit ago on that.
And I cannot wait until October 24th, I believe is when that's
going to arrive, the five proof copies and they do looks a
little over two weeks. We'll get, we'll get some on
that. And you know, we love LF 0s are
here both within the dark with Fungible and with everything
else. So we'll can't quite.
Yeah, I got, I gotta, I gotta finalize the bookshelf and then
I'll have a nice big lfos. Our section that fungible can
just go right in there with so-so Getting to the heat.
The the the weirdness here we're going to start with weird.
I brought up profane word. This is from, as you said Gabe,
its Copper State Games. A thumbs.
Yep, great great, great thing. Excited for the actual addition
to this to, you can still find the ashcan addition on their
itch page if I believe. But this is a really cool kind
of big expansion to word. But word is probably the
smallest gave them will ever talk about on this show.
So we're going to Into it. First of all, I mean, even just
layout Wise, It's all, you know, public domain art.
But I love all of it. It's just that this is exactly
like the, the kind of, you know, medieval English kind of, you
know, woodcarving ish kind of design.
It gives you a Vibe. The second you see that first
page and just and just the cover alone, you're like, alright, I
know what the fuck this is. Yeah, I need a moment.
You open it and there's the Yeah, let's go over here.
Yeah, that's a dog. Serpent net with wings biting a
neck. Yeah, yeah.
I love it so much. Like, you know what, you're
getting into right off the bat, exactly.
And this is weird, wir d and Ultra rules light osr,
sword-and-sorcery a game. For one, two, three players
here. Is that paves that we were just
talking about? I think I might be zoomed in a
little bit. This I am so this does not have
singles, this is all spread. So let me back up.
Just enough to get the full spread on the page and what?
I'll probably end up doing since it spreads a whole way, is to
put this into two page, display single page view.
Let's unzoom this and then I can actually just tweak the page
itself that were on. I just went ahead and pop the
fungible pre-order store there because there is one week
remaining on that. Just shoot me the link.
I don't think it like I put it in Riyadh this court or did it
not work? Not Discord.
Oh, you put it so it you can't. You don't got no, I don't got
the. It's all.
Just drop the link in the description.
I'll pop it in there. Well, do and yeah, definitely
check out fungible fungi. Horrible fungible.
Realize there's one week left. Otherwise I would have leaned a
bit more into this. There we go.
One is there is still some lfos are copies as well?
Yeah, fungible, dot back kit.com, you can just Google,
you know, F you and Gia ble Russian alone.
Like all those things you can get the link to, that will drop
the link to in our stuff. We put this out as well.
So one week left, I highly recommend the lfsr copies and
the challenge coins and everything.
So snag that we'll talk about that again, at the end of this
room as well. That's a gift to derailed the
LFO. Our copies are really sick as
they are being made from a small paper mill in San Francisco.
I want to say that is using the employees junk, mail to re pulp
and hand make the paper like paper.
So it is very fitting for the environmentalist themes as it
has zero trees, used to make this paper but also with
fungible and all that kind of stuff using recycled Junk mail.
Also feels very, yeah. I think in one of the images
teasing that you can just see like the word like spinach like
faintly in there. So anyways, weird weird.
Yeah, so getting into weird here.
Weird is a fantasy sword and sorcery.
Tabletop role-playing game from one of three players, he can be
played with or without a game. Master is your destiny to become
a Great Hero, Revere the world over or will you turn your On
what has been afforded to you, taking what you want at the cost
of all others. So I mean realistically, that's
like 10% of the text right there.
Yeah. And that's genuinely almost all
you need besides the rolling up a character.
I when I did my playtesting, I was using a Oracle system that
spooky Rusty recommended of grabbing a like Any sort of book
opening to a random page and just picking a random sentence,
I think they might have had more rules on it like rolling for the
paragraph or something. I streamlined it a bit and kind
of treated it like the dark Fort supplement for Merck border or
is like alright I'll draw the next room and figure out what
happens there. There you go.
Yeah I like that's where I was like oh this is good.
Yeah yeah. It's so good to I mean as we go
through and again adds that one sees how short this is, it's so
good. Like so finish out this page,
I'll roll one D3 for each skill. So you get three skills, Vigor,
mind and power. When you look at the character
sheet in the back, which will flip to at the end, but you can
see here again just like the rest of it.
It's not it's not a whole lot. Figure mind power.
We have some renowned disdain name, you know, couple of things
and that's about it. So this is the core of the
thing. You roll one die.
D3 for each skill. So that automatically tells you
right off the bat. You're not a God, you're not
like your whoo. Yeah, and that is definitely by
Design. Like now it's swords and
sorcery. Lower fantasy, wash agus laufen.
It's the high fantasy, or it's whatever you want it to be
technically, really? Yeah, as we will see with wired,
Yeah, so you get Vigor, mind and power, and then you have
Vitality. So Your vitality is equal to 1
D6, + your Vigor. So max nine, minimum to correct.
Yeah. Encumbrance you can carry up to
2 D 3 + power and spell slots. You can equip spells with slots
up to 1, D 3 plus mind. So, again, Max 6, you know,
minimum, To and that's, that's a lot of it.
So, coming into the next one, we're talking about weapons.
So one thing you'll get, I'm especially because this is ultra
light, there is outside of the layout and the pictures and
stuff like that and that little blurb, right?
At the beginning that like what? Two lines, there's no implied
setting. There's not really a whole bunch
else like saying it's sword and sorcery, giving you a little
blurb and giving you the pictures and the layout is
really all you need to do. And even the name of itself, You
don't need a whole lot of implied setting for something
like this. So really, you got that
beginning stats, you got weapons magic armor, some combat rules,
some Renown and and stuff on the last page and that's all game.
So we're going to go over all of those individually but it's just
not very much just to show you that.
It's what it's too. If you put all of the water in
the other, it's about 22 Pages, really too.
And maybe a quarter of a small, I believe a five.
This is we've just that That Kirby stretched a pamphlet into
an entire Zine. Yeah we I mean this could easily
be a pamphlet. Absolutely.
Yeah. I think the way out of it is
perfect for what it is. Oh absolutely.
Absolutely. I think the way that it goes
even to getting to the pages that it is I don't think I've
ever seen a smaller shorter Zine than this though since it
literally is just I mean I guess two pages, it's two pieces of
paper stabilize. Forget everything.
You know about bread robots might be up there but don't
quote me on that. I guess I do have some that are
literally is one page folded over.
Yeah, I guess it's technically a Zine to be wrong about bread
robots to just looking at the Shelf next to me so weapons.
You get to choose whatever weapon you like and assign the
size to it rolled damage based on the weapon.
You have equipped if you roll maximum damage on the dial, Roll
once more with the next size dice.
So, exploding dice for maximum dice.
I know you're a fan of exploding dice.
Absolutely. Yeah.
So, four sizes, you got small medium, large and Ultra.
I'm actually going to zoom in on this page a little bit.
There we go. Let's just enable scrolling on
this because I want to. So, actually, let's just Page by
Page. There we go.
Weapons choose another opening. Like I said that.
So small weapons are things like shims blackjacks and daggers
damage is only 1 d 2 and it takes up one slot or in foot.
Yeah, quite low medium is long story.
Short, swords maces One D, 32 slots, large is a bastard sort
of War pick Warhammer, 186 and three slots and Ultra is Phi
hander and great hammer, 3, D 3 4 5 slots.
I like the use of three like twos and threes a lot in this
system. Hmm.
Yeah, it keeps things nice and simple and then, or rolling the
like if you like for lack of better words, critical hit,
you'd roll a D6 on top of that 3 D3 which that is a lot of
damage. So, and that's one thing on
here. So if you roll maximum on the
damaged, I you roll once more with an excise diet, so some
clarifications for large that need to happen there.
Gotcha because if you go, there isn't do you go d a like but
there's nothing listed higher than a D6.
I think so. I will have to see what happens
with the weird framework. But that is an example of the
small little thing to iron out there.
Yeah, and that's exactly Kirby was talked about on the show.
Like there's a couple of a couple of things that need to be
tweaked a little bit, but it's cool that if you go small, you
know, when you roll Max A Min. So if you roll a 2, that's the
thing with the 1D. Ooh, ooh, you got a 50% chance
of rolling maximum damage and then rolling another D3 on top
of that, which then again is a 30, you know, 33 is percent
chance of of. Does it, does it all stacked?
If you keep norling Max, and Max, and Max to the keep
exploding, or is it just the first time?
I believe it is just the first time.
However, I would Asylum. I have some ideas.
Now, I'm just keep. If you could go to three six,
eight inch go boom, boom, boom. Yeah violence.
There you go. But I like the way that works
out. And again, I really do like the
very small numbers associated with it.
That your statue ld3s the small, you know, an average weapon
medium. An average weapon is still only
a D3. The whole game is very the
world. When you have that those few
points at working with the world with feels a lot.
Bigger. Absolutely.
And the use of slots as well. Like It's a very intuitive thing
rather than having to calculate encumbrance numbers and
whatever, crunchy systems that we've played in the past.
We're like, can I walk and also like this is all playable with a
coin and some D6. Yeah, theoretically playable
with just a D6. Yeah, that's true. 3D 3 would be
a bit of a pain in the butt but it's real.
Yeah, just read all three times and even the D2L 1 through 3 is
1. Well 12 am 456 is to deventer
however, I believe that was something Kirby had in mind with
it was to just keep it a simple D6 system so that way you don't
have to bust out you know you're seven polyhedral shapes.
Yeah I love that. You know the game I'm working on
I specifically made things d3s and Said of DeForest because I
didn't want to have to have a second die in the game.
You know, I really enjoy when all you can do is, I mean, you
could crack open some Yahtzee and play the game if you really
needed to. And who doesn't have a couple
d6s laying around or, you know, always have your little chess X
minis. Yeah, I got a couple fidget
cubes even we could make that work.
So after weapons is magic, so create a spell based on the
damage type, you'd like the type is up to you, but the greater.
Power. The more Slots of require is
doubling the slot cost for a spell increases, its damage
effect by that much. For example, he'll a tattoo
spell slot cost heels you for 2 d 2.
Instead of 1, d 2, I like it, it's clever.
It is one of the things that we're like, it's, it's very,
it's very open. It's very broad like magic and
Generals, like do whatever you want, really, but here is the
ideas. The little bit of the frame
with, you can do with it, so It specifically says he'll which is
1 d 2 and 1 1 d 2 damage. Which I guess is healing, you're
not being damaged by the heel I mean, but our Undead in your
game damaged by healing. That's truly, could be who I
mean in mind they would be and that's one slot.
But as we just said if you want to make it to D2 it's two slots.
If you do make it 3D to its three slot.
A I just keep thinking it's a little bit Vincennes and nature
and I will say the Arcane weird will continue with that.
Lil Bit but it's gonna deviate pretty like they'll start
reading and then it'll just be like, G something completely
new. He just saying interests that so
outside of he'll, there's one, two, three, four options here.
There's I assume miscellaneous use as a bitch.
Yeah. So the examples here are
levitate and move object very open to the GM in your
interpretation. I like this idea that like kind
of like innately and if you read this And for more experienced
players as well like yeah I think of a brand new player
picked this up a little bit. I think some of the magic stuff
might be a part that's like a little bit difficult to kind of
grasp. It's kind of that.
Like yeah. Yes.
Like paralysis of choice. Wait, I can do anything.
I don't fucking know what I can do.
You know what I mean? Yeah, the paralysis Choice does
make it a bit difficult like when you're looking at like
miscellaneous use your like what do I do?
All right. Yeah but I do, I think the
examples are great, levitating move object or like Okay, like
it's utility. It is nondamaging, it's just
stuff. You know what I mean?
Like like lighting, like lighting a light or something or
like, or having a wind, I get it, you know, they're coming
from like let's say, D and D to the more in the US are
microlight seen as this would be described.
As you could say, move object would be like Mage and and
Roman, you know, that's why does no damage but it does take up a
slot. Yeah, I mean even these like
invisibility Bility. You know what I mean?
Is something that I would have all miscellaneous.
You she not damaging anything in totality for than anything.
So make yourself invisible, one slot, make two people, invisible
two slots. It's a way that you can
interpret it and it is base one slot.
Then there's small medium and large uses.
So for small, the examples are fire.
Spray Frost and rock throw relatively small versions of
things. Fire spray.
You can again it needs a little context in role-playing games
but you know, That spray Bolton ball are all very raw, very
different things. And those are the three things
that are listed as the small medium and large options with
fire here in a little bit of RPG context.
It completely makes sense. I get it.
Like here's a little fire from my hand.
Here's of ball of fire. Here's like a baseball of I'm
throwing and here's like a fucking run giant ball of fire
that I'm throwing yes or perhaps maybe you could since these are
a little bit you know there. Intentionally left to the player
to decide so perhaps maybe you like sprinkle some sprinkle
spray out some fire and it does. Yeah.
Just Salt Bay it out and it does maybe 1 D2 but in a like conal
effect, right? Yeah, I mean again magic.
I personally like when magic is very broad like this But for
newer players, I know when I was a newer player magic like this
broke my brain, you know? I mean, when I was just like all
manly why I like it. Why?
I don't like I can do anything. I can't.
So um yeah, so Frost and rock their a 1 D6 damage for that for
two slots Medium. As we said, fire spread of fire
bolt or lightning bolts 3D 3 damage and it takes three slots
and then large Fireball and Earth shatter to D6.
For four slots. So I do think that the examples
listed it makes it does make sense, I think it would just
take some getting used to And I think for maybe clarification
keeping with the like the theme like Firebolt like shifting two
lightning bolts like maybe having like Kroll Boulder or
something and then go under shatter that might help with the
clarification and scale. Yeah, I mean, lightning bolt.
Even if you did like you know like a shocking grasp lightning
bolt and then like call lightning or something like that
but I know it would Completely agree.
So it's interesting that it is three examples and then just two
and two examples. I'm sure it had to do with just
the the amount of space that was available to.
Yeah. Yeah.
So that's magic and then we get to armor.
So armor, protects you from hits in combat but the heavy armor
the easier you are to hit reasonable something to really
address quickly. If the magic is those examples
are just examples. So if ya like if you want to
let's say have a medium spell that is a magically enhanced
fist like punch that like extends out or something.
Yeah like to end he when you're firing if you want to magically
fist something says then it you can in weird.
I mean Bloodhound Gang Starr. The best fist can be a verb.
You said it not, i eh. So, um, I do like you said, I
like the the list of examples, I think even layout wise, I think.
Even having example listed in the weapons section above here,
would have been a good idea to kind of continue the trend and
say that there's more than just these weapons.
Yes, yeah, but true, I'm going to note that down.
Yeah, so armor armor, protects you from hits in combat but the
heavier the armor of the easier you are to hit add modifier to
combat roles protection reduces damage.
You take. So we know that there is a
modifier specifically for armor. This isn't your modifier based
on like your stats or anything like that.
I'm so linen. Cloak is a zero leather.
So there's lemon cloak leather tunic.
Chain mail, huh? Burke plate breastplate which I
think breastplate and then you'll play should be there on
individual things. Yeah.
But and then small Shield so you add modifier to combat roles and
then protection reduces damage you take.
So why do you add modifier to combat roles?
We're going to get to combat. I'm trying to remember off the
top of my head because I know that we tweaked around with the
armor because there was a one-point leather tunic was the
best option. Hmm.
So much I have to thank scent. Ew.
Asking me questions about something from five months ago.
So linen cloak actually has zero modifier zero protection takes
up one slot, but there's a bonus to it which gives you plus one
to spell damage. So basically if you're on
Armored really you can take up a slot with your cloak and
increase your spell damage. This kind of, you know, really
feeds into like glass Cannon kind of wizardy wizardy.
Build leather tunic is A1 model. Fire A1 protection.
It takes two slots. It also has a bonus which is
plus one small weapon damage. So this really feeds into like,
you know, your thief or Rogue character with a dagger or a
shiv or something like that. I like the way that even in the
Simplicity of the game that there is things like that, that
can really help feed into and reinforce the rules within the
rules that you're doing. Like it definitely makes more
sense like okay. So, I am using, you know, a
shiv. So this leather tunics probably
a better option for me. But once again, armor is always
an example as well. So you can create your own
little things. Like if you wanted to be a Spell
blade of some sort. So you could shift some things
around, make a breast plate that has plus one spell damage, but
perhaps lower the protection, With the array of numbers.
It's because they're so small. It makes it so easy to modify
and like, with traditional games or more crunchy games.
That's where things get difficult with balancing.
Right. And that's why I like you said
multiple times, like, as a framework and as an engine and
things like that, I like that it is enough to play the game, but
also not too much that you feel bound.
And by, what's written. And I just looking over here for
a random Adventure, like, I could grab Fever Swamp by Luke
earring and play this in it, and it's converting, the creatures
over not be difficult at all. Once we get the combat section,
I'll be explaining a bit easier. Trying to, like, remember why
leather tunic was so busted? I think it also had the spell
damage increase as well. Ah, well then yeah, you can
increase smell weapon damage, increase spell damage, and it
only takes up two slots. I mean, that's a lot.
Yeah, you also got ten my homework, which is the to
modifier to protection, three slots breastplate which is three
modifier, three protection for slots and then a small Shield,
which is a one modifier to protection two slots, so leather
tunic and a small Shield will give you three protection for
three slots, which compared to chainmail hauberk was to
protection. Reese lot.
So, it's really how you want to play the game a little bit,
which is, which is a nice still kind of balance within it, which
is, which is really, which is, you know, why we're talking
about it. Because it's a cool game, you
can like shift, like, let's say you wanted to play Frontline
e-tank, in your group of three or more.
I do think the one, two, three players is a little bit on the
smaller side because you can do a group of five with this no
problem. Yeah, like very good.
Hmm Cooper. I was gonna say, like also, you
couldn't, you know, increase things up to make like a kite
Shield or heater Shield or something like that.
So like there's a lot of fine tuning and I hope that in the
framework, that that is expressed a little bit more.
I'm excited to see what changes, what stays the same and what
just gets tweaked a little bit when we get to when we get the
framework which might be a November her curvy so we'll save
it. So getting to that comment
section like you were just talking about um combat.
You always go first and enemies only damage you if they win a
combat role if you tie the role the enemy wins I like that tie
goes to not the runner. Yep.
Um which is just kind of still adds into that like it's hard,
you know, kind of aspect to it like you don't get to you don't
you can assume that you don't win you know in situations
attacking with a weapon, roll a D6.
Is that - Power Plus armor. E6.
B Bar ever. I believe.
Hang on. I've confused myself and I've
played this multiple times. Yeah.
Now the lower wall roll wins the attack, right?
Yeah. So D6 - power.
So actually, that would be a seller clarification of D6 -
power plus your armor modifier which makes you easier the
overall. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
So rolling low is good and the higher the stat you have, the
more you will subtract from your D6, but the more armor you're
wearing. So I assume you're adding the
armor. A fire.
Correct. Solo comes in yeah.
Yeah, some parentheses, perhaps, or spacing some things out, some
layout changes, but yes, it is correct.
Is these six - your stat for what you're trying to do.
Be it wants the owner. And so let's try to roll out
under. So you roll a D6, use and then
having a higher power score with means you subtract more of it.
But then the more the The heavier your armor is the more
protection you get from it, the higher the modifier is which you
have to add back to your role and that's why the bigger the
armor. You have the more likely you are
to get hit because you're trying to roll under your clunky.
Yeah. So it's like a subtraction and
then addition still trying to get to the lowest number
possible and if you roll that less than the enemies hit die,
you roll it. You just you hit and you.
Damage. And that's all thing, described
it as the lightest rules crunchiest game that they could
make. Yeah, it sounds way more crunchy
than it is. Like when you're asking me I'm
like this I I did a whole solo play through and my notebook and
I'm like, remember it being that big of a deal and then it took a
second to like, click back in And the established hit die.
For the creatures are really nice being able to like yeah.
Yeah yeah. It's interesting.
Like you said it's it sounds crunchier than it is and it
takes you one second to go oh I get it.
Okay chanting a spell, similar role D6 - mind plus armor
against enemy HD, your hit done. If you roll over them into me,
you cast the spell immediately, if you lose the role, you can
you cast first on the next turn, but take a hit.
And then you can roll damage. Yep.
I like that. Magic is Magic.
You know, it still feels like the educator when the but this
way that you do it and it does make sense when you're
channeling something to Cass. Like there will be moments where
in this case we're using RNG. But you're not always going to
be able to defend or Dodge or they'd you're gonna have to just
take that stabbed or what have you and then you'll be able to
get your Her shatter off. Death.
If you write zero Vitality, you are unconscious a mysterious
entity will collect you and you will be revived in a town.
If you go below, zero Vitality, you die immediately, there is no
recovery. So you got hit exactly zero to
basically get responding your last save point, but if you ever
go below your, you just had, there's no saves do nothing.
I like that. There's no saves or anything
really. Like your save is try to get
exactly zero. That's about the best you can
get. Yeah.
And that one's a little bit of an interesting design choice to
me because with the various protections and stuff like now,
it's like, well, armor does seem a little bit more valuable if
that can chip off. Let's say or a damage on a
possible, 1 D6 from a great boss Yeah, so any like you said it
really comes down to how you want to play the game if you're
trying to do a bunch of damage. If you're trying to survive like
how it works, you know, what do you want to be doing it to be
attrition all the time? Or do you want it to be?
You know, quick potentially in and out deadly and I can just
imagine like someone in a dungeon just like hitting zero,
getting deposit in town of like Chowder Run back in hitting zero
or getting positive town and kind of run back.
And I think there's some comedy that could really come into
that. As well as you like keep almost
dying but getting eroded by some strange entity it almost.
Feels like when you go off the track on Rainbow Road in Mario
Kart and that little thing I'm like, okay girl back on my truck
to back down. Now I may have been talking to
gave about this but this could be a complete fever dream.
So I will say it's a fever dream idea of having saved Based off
of like, your want to say armor mod or something like that, to
add a little bit more. Okay?
Second Wind think that was the conversation in might be seen in
the profane weird or some other supplement that kind of all
Blends together a certain point. But this point when you run only
for weird projects at the same time and kinda the idea there.
I would say more like very akin to cyberpunk stuff system,
you're familiar with that like you'd be mortally wounded at
zero. Given an increasingly like high
chance. But so I think that would be
something that would be the perfect thing as that adds, that
like more depth French. Which again I mean we're not
going to go with the profane weird today.
Yeah. Sorry about that name.
Drawing our general know I highly highly highly recommend
you to check out weird and then check out profane where it is.
It is a great addition to weird as we go through this enemies
enemies can be anything. You like, Goblin soldiers,
ghosts, or beast, flavor them. However, you like they list
three enemy types here. Normal Boston, great boss,
there's enemy. The damage hit those golden HP
gold just in context here. I assume is just what you get
for killing the creature. So if you look at a normal enemy
1 d 2 damage 1 D6, hit dice 1, d 2 gold and HP is anywhere
between 4 and 10. Pretty straightforward.
It's a bout of person you know which makes sense in the context
of the things that you're fighting a boss is one of the
three damage. One D3 hit dice, it's
interesting and I do like the math, how you're trying to roll
under so your hit die actually gets smaller as you go.
I believe? Yeah, yeah, right, right, right.
I mean if you're rolling D6 - Power Plus armor.
They you just have the worst they can do is to realistically.
So they're going to put on a lot of the image unless you're
rolling like really low on your D6 and, you know, AB good power
score and not a whole lot of armor.
And I think that's where the like idea of someone who's
taking the blows, while you have that glass Cannon Caster or the
sneaky shiv Rogue. And yes, a tide does lose that
really, I mean, I can imagine people being like, fuck this.
Plate and just being like, like I can't I can't hit this guy
Conan score literally because, you know a my armor is too, it's
like a plus 3 or Plus for whatever.
So like unless you're rolling, you know, if you have if you
have to power you know and you know you roll like a D6.
So you get to a four plus three armored, you're rolling like a 7
is impossible to hit the great boss, you know.
So it's It's, I can just picture people who just like being like,
all right, I guess slice the breast plate off clanks on the
ground. I'm now unarmored.
And I can finally try to hit this guy because I move a little
quicker. It's really cool seeing that can
happen. But it also allows for, you
know, you're like little wooden table rules to start coming into
play, like, perhaps, maybe your breastplate wearing Shield
wielding character might have like a taunt.
Actor song. Which again it's enough of a
system to play but there's you can stack on so much to this
because it's so Broad and I just I really enjoy it boss, we
talked about and then great bosses, final one is 186 damage.
I just had one need to hit dice 1 D6, gold, and 22:30 hit points
with the boss being 12 to 18. I mean it's it's clean.
As one thing that I really like about it.
Like it's clean and it's minimal and it's small.
Like I like again, the whole thing is a D6 system and its D6
unless you know, not like D6 and like to D6 + 3 D6, it's
literally like a lot of it revolves around E63 D2, not d66
386 like a couple small instances with damage and stuff.
You'll get a little bit different.
But for the most part, it's D6 and less, which is really fun.
If I recall the like General premise was that you could use
Ten room dungeon like easily stock it.
Yeah, like super easily, you know and um you can get like
online if I look at in room dungeon generator and like boom.
And you know what about or whatever?
Oh yeah, yeah yeah easily. And they even can stack it if
you want or even donjon, you can go on and click and it'll even
stock monsters and treasure and stuff for you.
So super easy to run with that treasure.
What would a dungeon be without treasure each time?
You kill an enemy. All for gold, spent in Gold to
increase the skill by 1. So, this puts a fun mechanic in
the game where gold is experience, which is why you do
what you're doing, you kill stuff, because you get XP for it
basically lets you buy skills, which is a very specific type of
game when you make gold XP, which very much make sense in
the context of what this game is.
Very much encourages. The Dells that Wives taking the
class. It's I don't know if it was
intentional or not but does Harkin very much to the basic
expert in style progression and I don't see unless I missed it a
cap. To that skills.
I don't believe there is but one team don't quote me on that.
But I mean so if you rolling a D6 and eventually you get like,
you know, like seven power you know.
It's a lot easier to hit that boss with yours are other base.
Yeah you start like a base like -1 you roll a 1 on the dice in
your at like - State, you know. And then you can rock that three
are more like you said and hit fucking everything.
So The odds of you living. That long aren't great.
Let's be honest. That's what retainers are for.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
And the fact that your Vitality is linked to your Vigor, right?
So in the beginning, we talked about what is that?
Here it is. Vitality is equal to 1 D6 +
Vigor. I assume that means, if you
increase Vigor, you increase vitality Yep.
Yep. So important for the more points
you get in that the more you know, you can take and I like
point games, one of the things I like about three and four stat
systems is that and when you have like a D6 dice, instead of
like the 20s, everything is more meaningful.
Like the choice that you have to do very like, do I put one more
in power so I can hit more and my dial be lower or do I put One
more Vitality so I get more Health.
Like every time you get to that 10 gold it's gonna be at least
for me it would be a struggle to decide where am I putting this?
What's the next thing I really need more health or more damage
more health and we're damage or you could also think about it as
do you want to increase your power that allows you to carry
more? Riju.
Yep. Simon.
So that's another reason to go power.
You're like, okay, well I do more damage.
I can carry more stuff to. So so that means Powers also an
option for the Mage, clay archetype.
Well, yeah, because you need to carry more objects even if
you're not hitting with physical power, you're still carrying
stuff with you. So, right, because the will be
spells would take these slots that are provided by the
encumbrance if I recall, right? Yeah, so you Which is an
interesting thing though. That like that your power gives
you more spells. It's one of those ones where
it's like, okay it's a game that's how it works.
No mind is spell slots, I'm sorry you can equip spell slots
slots up to 1 D 3 + mind. Yeah, so mind really goes for
the spell one. But you're right the with the
encumbrance is the ability to like carry more stuff so that's
kind of one. That's like a double like a good
job, but no. Down because I feel like, you
know, maybe it should be spread across gotta carry.
All those components with you all components?
Yeah, it's true. But you gotta have the Mind
space. You know what I mean?
Hmm, it's true. So staying and renowned weird
the name of the game also a rule each time you increase the
skill. Roll 1 D6, if you roll a One or
two you have increased your renowned as a heroic Adventurer
and the kingdom surrounding you, more local towns will call upon
you for your Aid to clear out monster nests and return.
The Lost, Treasure to the magistrates implied setting In
this rule, we get implied setting, we get okay, local
towns kingdoms, monsters magistrates clearing out,
monster nests. All within this rule.
You have built the whole world for know, at least enough that
you that you need to do it and I love that realistically.
I think the amount of setting in the entire thing is maybe four
or five lines, but you 1000% know exactly what the game is
saying. Yeah, as we See with weird or
wired, rather you can just shift some nouns around and now you
have a crew of people on Mars killing vampires.
So, so that's 12 to you get renowned.
So, if you roll a five to six, your actions have caught, the
eye of the locals and they don't appear to appreciate them, you
become an outlier, and the opinion of you is one of Stain
local Bandits and other unsavory groups.
Begin to take notice and offer you work which is interesting.
It's like bad for the locals but you could also be Bandits which
is cool and I still like that. It's all lower role is better.
So I like the consistency throughout the system and on a
3-2 for nothing happens. No one notices.
You, you're nothing. Sorry happens.
Yeah, it's also interesting that Is one thing I have a question,
so is it 10 gold as a party? Everyone gets a scale or is it
10 gold per skill? That is believes.
It is Ten Gold, her skill for individual.
So you have to get. So for everyone to get one more
point, you got to get 30 gold. Full group.
Yes, interesting interesting. So keep track of how much
renowned in disdain you have and tailor your adventures based on
which is the higher. When one reaches rank 5 you are
famous or inFAMOUS, you may choose to retire your career or
follow the path of that one attribute exclusively for the
rest of your days. I like games that have an end.
I do especially games like this like one of the games we played
on screen before his Basic from a source of Victory.
And there's only nine levels. Once you reach ninth level
literally is, if you're like a cleric, you build a temple
outside of, you know, the dungeon or whatever and other
clerics can come to you for like rest and teaching and stuff like
that. But you're done you're
adventurous over your old. You took an arrow to the knee,
you're done. So I really enjoy that because
no one ever gets to 20th fucking level come on, you know, like,
hey now I think the highest we ran a campaign for two and a
half years. We got to I think level 17 and I
had plans to 20 but then people moved and stuff.
But I mean like, he tends to get in the way beforehand on the
bell curve. Yeah, I think like, for B and D,
the average levels for 5th edition are like 11 through or
like 10 through 15 X or yeah, at best, I think most, if I
remember correctly, I think it's 10 and 11, I think is, when most
parties and bread, which is one of the reasons why D&D puts out
like 1 to 10 books, a lot and then like, 10 plus books, a lot
are like, emacs 1215, you know, because they know people aren't
gonna like you just said, a lot of times life gets In the way
it's hard, you know. Yeah, and it doesn't have like
the Incentivisation of 3.5 or Pathfinder where you would have
to grind out those tons of experience, like through a with
Kings maker, or other Adventure paths, that you can compensate
for that. Anyway, so that's kinda like
yeah II. Love that rank 5 famous.
Infamous your tire. You done.
That's exactly how I have happened.
And now, you're just, you're a legend in the areas.
And when you start a new, a new player, they're aware of the
legend of your previous character.
I really enjoy that and that builds on to the world, and yes,
that rank. You can choose to, you know,
perhaps Lou Ferrigno Hulk walk away during Eric music credits
rule, or you can continue being a Robin Hood or the night that
goes out. Valiantly clearing monster nests
and protecting the town. Its Is elegantly, simple.
It it is. I that's all game is elegantly,
simple. I really enjoy it.
This is the character sheet. It says word of the top.
You got five spots for a noun 54, to stain your name.
Your vitality encumbrance big boxes to put your Vigor, mind
and power. You got two lines, right?
Your weapons, your armor, two lines, each strut, your weapons
are mature, spelled list your gold aligned to your notes and
that's it. And that's all you fucking need,
realistically. I mean if you actually get a
carrier character up to like 15, For just turn the sheet over as
all right, on the back and that's about as much as you
need. And that's, that's weird.
That's all thing. That's all system.
That is the framework. That is the pre framework that
we will see a little bit later from Caribbean, disaster
tourism. And again, there's already stuff
out there. Kerry talked about hired
whacked, you know, a bunch of hacks already coming out for it.
The profane word was, you talked about a bunch of times, Kappa
skate games. Expansions and things you can
add on to it. This is again a little bit
different than a lot of the games.
We've talked about that do have SRD is where like I might, what
jumps on my head right away is game like Lumen because women's
the whole game and it's more like kind of reskinning it and
adding stuff and doing stuff like that as opposed to this
game where I feel like you're not really going to reskin this
or even really hack it. It's what can you add to it
right now? Because it's so you can't
there's not a whole lot to change because that's about as
simple as it can get, you know. But with that Simplicity allows
you to like it gives you more canvas space like all right, so
let's say I want A system with cars.
I want this to be a drag racing game.
This is now the the fast and weird I like that actually.
I should I like that way more than I should run it down but
don't forget about it, sort of renowned family play testing
feedback, things to Tom, Owen just throwing that out there.
And also there's some other wonderful people who did help
play test that he Rivera Daniela, Mirage and Revenant
Rogue. Open up the front of this one.
This is wired or about to get to play testing feedback, thanks to
Revenant, Rogue Jeremiah Bordeaux, Tom Owen, yo, and gave
Rivera. So there's a reason that a lot
of weird stuff is coming out. This time opening gave Rivera,
they helped, they helped make the game happen.
It's all's, we were almost involved some way.
I can't put my finger on now. Yeah, who knows?
That's weird. And then, let's get into the
first hack, which is also just has to tourism who hacked.
I'm game. All right.
Who hacked their own game? This is wired and we've talked
about this and I love it and I'm obsessed with it.
For four letters, mostly starting with w.
We got weird, we got wired, we got whacked which is the mafia
one. I didn't see hired the mercenary
one which adjacent. But listen.
I like the W's and and we'll see what we'll see.
What's next with some of these hacks.
I'm really excited for it. I really can't wait for the
weird. Lord Jin word.
Yeah, I hope to see a wild where it's like, heck scroll build be
pretty wild the when using, when I hear wild, I think like jungle
to who? All right, I think, I think, I
think jungle in the wild, you know, eat or it's Savannah even
what a little bit of both, you know, that's cool.
I like that. Just giving out free ideas here
for the gym. Hey, listen the jams coming up.
If you under wild just Ryan of the weeklies girl, you're
welcome for that bastard. Weird.
Please make that somebody the fast in the weird, the car.
Yeah, you make it that the jams coming up.
Listen, I got to do something at some point, so, maybe I'll make
something. We'll see.
All right, wired. So this is basically a Cyberpunk
version of weird from, you know, Kirby layout by their partner.
Kristen are from public domain and aided by Ben Elf or disaster
tourism. We've already talked about all
the cool people involved in that including our very own Tom Owen
here. The PDF is not in color.
I did not have anything in the do, if that's AI.
Don't know why that is, is your PDF from car?
Are all the Peaches on car? My PDF is black and white as
well. I'll poke her be on that one.
The booklet of the booklets in color, is it just the singles?
I could go back to doing the two-page spread, why is just the
singles black and white Kirby you killing me Smalls?
I got to go back to a two-page spread for the color.
I do love the color. The pink magenta color is one of
my favorite colors in the world. I don't know if you notice it
for many things around here, but I very much feel that, you know,
purple and the shades of purple the cyan and like Neon.
That's what makes cyberpunk cyberpunk.
The I did get hit with a wonderful little like, Reality
check and someone was describing like you know you find cyberpunk
setting, you know, fascinating and like attractive to the eye
because you don't recognize the advertisement.
There were all from the minions. A the Pixar or what have you?
Like suddenly be like, oh, this is horrible in his late stage,
capitalism at its finest. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Like if you did not know
anything about advertisements. But when some like towns Times
Square and just looked around cyberpunks a lot closer than you
think. Oh yeah, I mean unquestionably,
it's really interesting. I saw on Twitter talking about
cyberpunk Edge Runners them show on Netflix, which I fucking love
by the way. Well, was in Singh was talking
about cyberpunk. Now, in 2022 versus talking
about cyberpunk in 1982 is very different because our technology
is a lot fucking closer. And now you can see that the
future that were looking at. Can't be the future we have now.
It's kind of like, looking back on all movies that talk about,
you know, the future in 2020, and it's like, that's not
protect. We have, you know what I mean?
100%, I'm going to send you a Image really quickly, you'll get
a kick out of this. This was from one of the
cyberpunk 2020, Chromebooks And there you go.
Oh gosh, the phone. Yes, cell phone upgrades, you
know, voicemail for 20 Euro bucks, a month, a fax interface
2 inch by 2 inch screen. Mmm.
That's why I'm saying that the technology of things that
cyberpunk gets to on what people recognize a cyberpunk.
Our technology is different than I was so far past and different
that it's really interesting to see cyberpunk you almost have to
look at it is like an alternate timeline at this point.
Not a future because what in the future basically?
We're cyberpunk it. So it is it's interesting to
think about it. It's also interesting to think
of if people were to write cyberpunk now what will people
think Tech is in 50 years versus what they thought Tech was.
Years ago. I daresay.
That's where you would see a shift more towards like solar
Punk post, collapse. Oh yeah.
Well because I mean it's it's much more inevitable than it was
in 1980. You know what I mean?
So it's interesting that cyberpunk in the future just
means post-apocalyptic Because the future people, so wired.
Well, we were just talking about and now I have the color version
up. So let me do a little zoom on
this and we'll get to single page here.
This is the page. Yeah.
Yeah, it's gorgeous. And the colors might kill and
kill him. The game here.
So that original page we have to talk about the beginning of
weird or wired is an is an ultra-light cyberpunk tabletop
role-playing game. From one of the players can be
played with or without a game master.
A lot of the wording is A similar with just some tweaks,
you know? And that's what's great.
This is a perfect example of hacking, the system.
Straight code is done, permanent damage to the global Network and
net running carries its risk more than ever now.
A little risk has never stopped you before Ro 1, D 3 for each
attribute. So instead of what we have in
weird, which is Vigor mind, and power feels very, you know, sort
of sorcery. You got tough wire and skill
which is an interesting. Three choices.
Tough is your well-being in a resistance wire is your
cyberware. Capability in your net.
Running skill and skill is your prowess and strength.
I the 11 knock, I think I have on this game is using skill as
the name of an attribute, because it's so intrinsically a
little bit. It is.
It's so linked. You tabletop vernacular that
when you think scale, you think of a skill, right?
Like prowess would be like a possibly better option.
Where it's like your skill and string, right?
Yeah, I completely agree. A Vitality encumbrance all the
same. Your vitality is equal to 1 D6 +
stuff, which is same. As it was with weird of power
and conference is one is up to 2 T 3 plus skill.
In which is no because it was Vigor, I'm sorry.
The Vigor in would vigorously and skill for power.
Yeah so still the same just different words and Chip slots,
you can equip hacks with up to 2, D, 3 plus wires.
So Chip slots are now your magic.
It's your, it's your hacks. It's your, it's your things like
that and you can spin credits to raise each attribute by one.
So instead of XP you get from or gold, you get from Monsters,
it's credits. You get from doing things going
straight into here. I love this page.
Love the font Choice. Love this.
This bluish purple and cyan bar. The end magenta background.
I mean, if you can see my computer, it's literally just
Blinky cyan and magenta. Vaporwave and and the whole
cyberpunk aesthetic like really just speaks to me, so really
enjoy it. Check my gear here.
I choose whatever gear type you like roll damage based on the
gear you have equipped if you're using it to attack.
If you roll maximum damage on the die, you may roll once more
with the next size dice equipped gear feels encumbrance lat.
I think it's really clear that when Kirby row, weird.
And then wrote wired, there's a, a trajectory a little bit where
some of the things that we questioned and weird have
already been clarified in wired, which came after which gives you
kind of a sense of we are, weird, is going to go when they
change it to a framework. Because I think one of the
things we talked about with the damaged, I was, can you only do
it once and in this it specifically says, if Roll
maximum damage to the day. You met were all once more.
So there's already clarifications, which is adds
specificity over generality. Yeah.
Which is super helpful in this. And it's interesting that it,
you get that a lot sooner than in weird, which didn't happen to
like the maybe like the next page when you got to combat.
Even when you talk about the weapons section, which is
interesting. So gear example, an example, Oil
is listed here at the top of here, instead of when it was on
weird. So, it's on the weapons page,
Maybe it all blur together for me.
Oh you're completely right. If you roll maximum damage on
the die, you may roll once more with the next size size.
It actually says, once more. Did we really just not read
that. I said once more, Yeah, I like
exploding dice. I probably just mix the word
once more. Yeah.
So small medium, large and overweight, which is an
interesting choice to use your size examples damage in slots.
For each one small are things like knife and knuckle dusters
1, d 2 damage. One slot medium is pistol and a
fire katana. Which is a really interesting
choice, 1, D 3 and 2 slot. More exciting than a regular
Katana. And this the Grim dark future
Aye want to fire Katana for sure.
It's basically a lightsaber, but cooler is what it, what it
amounts to large is an assault rifle or a pulse Hammer, which
is 1 D6, or three slots, and then overweight rocket launcher,
and Gatling gun, 3D three and five slots.
One of the things that you can see us like nitpicking and weird
is indifferent. That is different.
And wired though, is they're listed as example.
Yep. Yep.
If I really didn't really think it was just a Mist word in the
layout, because I think there's plenty of space port and
everything in between the weird one.
So I do like, like you just had that they're listed as as
examples because, you know, you obviously have more than just a
knife and knuckle dusters, which is, which is necessary hacks,
which is the new Magic choose, a hack based on the types below.
The hack specifics are up to you but the greater the ability to
have the more chips, Lots it requires doubling the slot cost
for a hack increases, its effect by that much.
For example, reformat is a to chips lot cost heels Target for
D to 2 d 2 damage instead of one d2i.
What's I love that literally it's just a couple of words that
are different, but 90% of the language is even the same But
it's a whole different. I love how easily it is to
switch magic to hacking and it works so well.
One thing that I noticed about the, with the hack being Trojan
that I suppose means Rome is canonically existent in any
weird game or wired game, it has to be, I mean it's Earth, it is
future Earth. So Rome must in fact exist.
This is, you know, reading I'm going.
Huh? That means that well Brutus as
well. I mean, So the five types of
hacks are reformat, which is basically.
It is repairing and healing and target for the effect and I like
that they listed affect slash damage here instead of just
damage right. Tom because then the last one we
said well healed it just has damaged listed but putting both
in clarifies, it doesn't always just have to be, you know,
damage, one slot utility. So it's reformat utility
bypassed Road. And Brutus utility is Target.
Enhance read motive. 1 d 2 for the effect of damage and one
slot bypasses crack a passcode, gain access, One, D 3 and 2.
Slots Trojan is installed malware.
Install. A backdoor to the 343 slots and
Brutus is brute. Force entry, major, shut down,
3. D, 3 and 4 slots.
I like it. I mean it's exactly all the
things that I think about when I'm I would, I would create
computer hacking is all these various instances.
Just fossil and like Daft Punk's Technologic and the background
when your Bomb. I would say that would be a
great way to probably pull like if you wanted to create your
own, um, max even sounds silly, but It's good.
You never know. Yeah.
Hey listen. If you're playing wired to one
of the people, I really like for music since you brought it up is
car case here. White bet on Spotify twitch safe
and everything. If you're streaming it but they
have a ton of really great cyberpunk just music, no lyrics
and stuff like that. Oh yeah.
I think I saw their music listed on a cyberpunk subreddit, those
brows. A lot of cyberpunk, she should
definitely check it out. It's great.
I'll just like my ADHD brain. Loves EDM for like the constant
base Bean with a bunch of other stuff going on.
So I can focus. I put car, I have a whole
literal, a whole white bat ats-v playlist just to have like
cyberpunk or industrial or something, like blasting, it's
really great. Check them out.
Firewalls is the next thing which is basically armor which
is interesting in the way that it it's done.
It's interesting firewall, protects you from enemy hacks,
the storing of the firewall, the harder it is to hack.
Firewall uses chips, Lots, add mod to hacking rolls.
So it's more than just armor in this one, there's firewalls on
top of armor because you have to protect against hacking which is
different in that you don't have armor against magic and weird
but it would make sense to have protection against hacking in a
cyberpunk game. So this is one of the big
differences. I think that's been added in and
you definitely want to have that because last thing you And so on
jacking your cyber where ya gotta have that McAfee, you
know, oh, totally McAfee. Whoever, however, he sent
firewall protects, you already read that.
So firewall, so you have mind, protection, slots and bonus.
So it saves Arya the free one that comes with the cyberware.
Yeah, there you go. And then trust me.
There's no hacks involved in that one.
It works perfectly guys. Um, so it's exactly the same
thing that our I'm as armor works but again it's for hack
specifically. So you've got no firewall which
means no protection, no modifier.
It's one plus two slots and then the bonus is a hack effect.
So if you have no firewall, you get a heck of it.
But what is the OnePlus, Two slots mean?
I want to say that is like the role I could be wrong.
This one eye. Play tested once to be entirely
honest. Yeah well that's good because in
the armor there's no pluses I don't really see where the like
two plus two comes into effect in the OnePlus 2 goes into
effect. Huh, we get to it.
So there's non discount CST lgrd castle guard and guarded night.
I assume the bottom one is, grd and k, and t totally read
something different for the last half of that.
No, what did you write? What did you say?
Let's keep moving you'd like to buy a value.
Could figure it out. I gotta go put it together.
Yeah. Oops, no.
My I'm that's probably the one to.
So discount is 1 mod 1. Protect two plus two slots and
you get a small gear effect castle guard, is to mod to
protection and three shots and we'll call it Garden night and
it's 3 mod. Detection and foresight.
So again, basically just have armor works but I'm still I we
got to get some clarification on what the 1 + 2. + 2 + 2 on the
slot since it is specified in the comment section.
This will have to. Yeah, it's got to be.
I mean, yeah. So we'll see.
Our mom is very much the same as.
Yeah, weird. There is a tilt my head.
This is one of those things that I will say that seeing it with
no explanation and the getting the explanation later.
It would it is nice to have the explanation when you first see
the thing. So I think Gavin like one more
line of what the plus two here was, would be nice or example of
how things would shake down underneath and there's room on
the page. I think I don't think they're
there, they're asking for space here, so I think that'd be cool.
I mean, like you said armor works exactly the same it's the
same. The options are non-leather
shirt, bomber jacket, riot gear, and a wrist Shield instead of a
small Shield, the bonuses for non, are you?
Plus one reformed effect on self and on the leather shirt is plus
12 small gear damage and the rest of it.
The numbers are all exactly the same as they are and where it's
no reason to dig through that ever got tweaked I'd say bomber
jacket would be reworded as just a leather jacket, almost the
same as wearing a leather shirt is that longer sleeves.
True. True.
True true. Just some wording thoughts.
I could be like, camel are there are.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd have to get a permission
to use that. Oh, yeah.
Is it a Brisk of or is a brand name?
Isn't it like Gore-Tex, or what have you?
You can have you just have like armored, you know, armored pal
like in armor, we've or something like that.
Yeah. You could tell that something
like that and be fine. So we got offline and online
here. So offline enemies only damage
you. If they win a combat role if you
tie the role the enemy wins. So this is physical damage
versus basically hacking damage. Is what the offline at all on
this. And I like that, there's like
red on the offline and green on the online.
It's something great. Little great, great little tag
for that. So keep with the offline
attacking with a weapon, roldy 6 - scale plus armor against enemy
hit die, the lower winds attack exactly the same.
If your easier Vitality, your Mainframe loses power and you
drop unconscious a mysterious entity will collect you and
you'll be rebooted and Safe House.
If you go below your dead and it's all exactly the same on the
other one. Either to use words like
rebooted. Instead of, you know, the rest
and rest, right? What's different here is the
online which is why we have firewalls and stuff like that.
So the so you get net running. So you roll D6 - wire plus
firewall against the Network's, hack die.
The lower roll wins, the hack, and the outcome can be resolved.
Lacking a hostile Target roldy 6 - y r+ firewall against enemy
will fire wall if you roll lower than the enemy, your hat goes
off immediately. If you lose the role, your hack
activates immediately on the next turn but the targets a free
at Hack Slash attack this round Roll Effect or damage still not
seeing the explanation for that plus on the other one.
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. We'll have to talk because it's
specific to the slots specifically.
So I'm curious why it's 1 plus 2 instead of just 3 + 2 + 2.
Instead of like for we'll have to see.
We'll have to check in Amis work.
Very similar. Is it damaged eyes different in
this one by a decent amount. 3D two, three. 3 and 5 D. 326.
No, it's exactly the same, okay? Yeah. 5B 3.
Seems a little bit higher by Oh, you know what's interesting too?
I noticed that there's no clarification on ties for net
running either. So in the PDF of weird, the
enemy HP is four to ten twelve to eighteen and twenty to thirty
plus. But in my print copy instead of
HP, they list vitality and have roles for them.
Yep, that is correct seeing that.
They must have been updated PDF. Interesting.
I wonder if there's a clarification in here.
There's not still says one cluster.
Um, so, yeah, let me get rid of these weird singles.
All right, so enemies is exactly the same don't need to go over
it again. Anyways, this is what's
different enemies. Can occasionally have hacks
installed, if so, they may return a hack.
Instead of attempting an attack with the weapon, in this case,
roll the enemy XD, which is another HD.
It's they're basically there hacking So there's basic rough
and bosso. Basic there, XD is 1 D6 and
their hacks are one utility rough.
There's one D3 XD and they got one reformat one.
Utility one bypass and one Trojan.
And a boss is 1, d 2 XD and they get one reformat to utility or
to bypass one Trojan and one Brutus and then there's a whole
network to. So there's a difficulty level
for the network basic Is 1 D6. A rough network is One D 3 and a
challenging network is 1. D 2 credits over this city be
without credits. Each time you kill an enemy rule
for credits, spend 1000 credits to an increase in attribute by
1. Which if you look at the credits
here versus the gold in the previous one, basically, it's
just times 100, yeah. It feels more.
Satisfying and appropriate. Yeah.
Because I mean if thousand
credits feels very cyberpunk as you like fuck I'm gonna 1,000
credits versus like yeah. Angled third 30 credits here.
I can upgrade my wire Organa Starbucks or whatever it is in
the future, you know. But I love this picture at the
bottom and I love the effect that was put on it.
The the hacking picture with this kind of like blue red, it
looks a little bit like I need some 3D glasses for it.
It's a really, really great shot at the bottom of this page.
If you think that could really benefit from having a Combat
example section there. Yeah because it does seem a
little bit overwhelming with. All right so there's firewalls.
There's a network going on at the same time so there's that
space. Meatspace, What are you doing?
Yeah, I think it's really interesting.
I think. I think it's hard with like the
called all concept ultra light gaming is you make it as concise
and tiny as you possibly can, you know?
And as soon as you start giving examples and stuff like that, I
think the thing the thing doubles so in size.
So it's a really interesting balance that with the only area
I would say. Baby beneficial died.
Just a show like yeah, I think I think an example even in with
them the gears, the stuff like that more examples or even like
you said, even just like one full page ad says, like an
example of play that it hits all of the little things in like 11
and it can be done and they are very stylistic way.
Like having my boss terminal like yeah.
Yeah. Welcome.
And I think even within the layout, I think there's room
because if you look at the first page here, there's like half
absolutely Each year if you look at the next page here you know
even even on the inside cover you know I love this is our
credit and stuff go but there's some space here even within this
there's a lot of space on this page.
So I do think there's room for it and even this one for how
small it is, there's really a ton of page based left in here.
You can even increase that font size pretty significantly and
not lose any space on that page, just shift everything up ever.
So slightly keep the art. You can have a small section on
how You like successfully run combat just in case it is a
little bit confusing. And, you know, last page it's
really only that amounts to about half the page but if you
really look at it. So there's plenty of space even
within this. He said, I mean, pamphlet turns
IAM a good, what I still, I love this informant, I was going to
say like it's fantastic. I really love the way that that
it came out this way. Last page is previously, this
was the renowned and disdain. I think now it's what street
cred and narc. So each time you increase an
attribute will 1 D6 and it's exactly the same.
So if you roll a 1 D to your net running has been safe and your
cyberware. Stays intact.
Also the actions you have taken have earned you some street
cred, Freedom, Fighters, local gangs, and other groups, might
hire you to help them. Hack Banks, steal from the core
and take out or debilitate local police forces or other similar
missions. I like that.
The difference in this is that your Renowned made all the
people like you right and in this one you are street cred
makes you like more Auntie you know establishment and stuff
like that. And you get.
Yeah. That's the theme of cyberpunk.
Exactly one. Yeah, that those are the people
you're trying to impress and help.
Unless you do want to be working for the Corp has and which case
you're covered there. It's different to I think
because whether you're a noun or disdain and weird, it's like
okay I'm a good guy or I'm a bandit.
I think there's like you could really go either way and this
it's like you're a street cred or a fucking bootlicker.
Which one do you really want to be?
You know what I mean? There's a much like if he
becoming glitched like, that could or you could perhaps even
see, you know, like depending on what your perspective is and how
you want to play, Maybe running the operation is your goal and
the like, I mean I may have just been reading the cyberpunk 2020
like guide to corporate stuff so maybe that's why that's on my
mind I was like you go. I do love the idea of what being
incorpo know, just how how it is so open to interpretation.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
I'm obviously, you don't want to be that, don't ya?
All right, all right. We're getting it from the inside
like you can get the as long as you hit five, just get 24, and
then go the other direction. If you, if you roll a five or
six, never running has corrupted, some parts of your
cyber where this causes you to be more easily angered, violent,
and hostile towards everyone. Your everyone, you're seeing in
the I'm light as a cops and you're deemed a narc, the core
and please take notice and offer you work to eliminate gangs
hack, local organizations or kill citizens that are fighting
the status quo, keep track of both.
Once you reach rank 5, you are a hero or glitched.
You may choose to retire or follow the path of that one
attribute exclusively until you die.
And then we get to the character sheet which is literally exactly
the same. Just with, you know, five words
change Street cred Mark. Tough skill wire, you know?
Yeah. And the font a little pixelated
font and that's it. That is the game.
That is disaster. Tourism doesn't have the exalted
funeral like the print book does right there on the back but that
is weird and wired. Great Frameworks and games
within themselves. Love both, I think the whole
God, this is so open to hacking, you know, like I was in a game
not as in like, you know, hack the system.
As a gamer as opposed to cyberbunker or Netrunner a
cyberpunk UR, fucking Boomer, but those all cyber culture
under booster. Yeah, yeah.
Brush up on your lingo chew. Yeah, I'm getting there.
Listen, I watched edged Runners. I, at least heard them say to
him a lot, don't know where it came from, but that's weird and
wired can't wait for. Like jam.
Can't wait for Gil game and all the things that come from the oh
yeah, the print version of profane word.
Come out again. Your projects that come out
Divine and Arcane word correct Divine, an Arcane weird, which
will be a weird. I don't think it's going to be,
probably I think pushing the max of what you can saddle Stitch.
So be 64 pages. Ages with the cover in coastal.
Perfect. Binding.
Yeah, there's a lot to kind of delve into especially taking
thrifts like incantation not directly but like very inspired
by that to have words to roll on and doing a little bit more in
depth on that like adjectives and nouns.
You're taking six your time saying this by 10.
Yeah, just for magic, just for just for magic.
That shows you how much you can add to this.
And yeah, again, I love these Kirby is an awesome person.
All of their stuff is fantastic. Evergreen Wilds, bucket bash,
which is now Sweet Tooth. I believe is a new name for it.
Slasher paranormal Rivals. I think Rivals is probably the
first know, I think about Rivals and paranormal at the same time.
And that was my first intro in. Yeah.
Disaster tourism. And then here we are.
I yeah, my intro I suppose would have been the big project.
He talked about that sorry. They talked about that shift to
working on smaller games and Nexon, whatever it was.
I think it was a good ship, I think a year a year.
This isn't All of them, there's like three more that I don't
have that are like packed away over there.
I think we'll to more paranormal and Rivals don't have the dark
here. Don't have this house is haunted
here, one year, this is insane. I believe that's what he said, I
think that's what they said. Like, two weeks I think was was
about Max because they have the candles, they have the cassettes
that just came in. They got everything sitting
there, waiting elephants are versions.
You know, I love me. Some elephants are so.
Excited for the dark. Can't wait for that.
We're going to get to amazing Russian alone games, very close
real time. The dark.
We're going to have fungible fungi will fungible all done up
LF L is our style so excited for that.
There's a rumor floating around out there that Might hear a
little bit more from from, from Leo, a little bit to at some
point here on the show. We'll see, we'll see.
It's an interesting into the year.
I will say, over the next two months.
So I got a lot of got, a lot of fun stuff going on with this
rumor. Perhaps make me weep.
I would say glioma kiwi. Oh no.
I was a size ink. I thought you were saying, there
is a another project that was hoping for that by Allah might.
We might we might but a lot of really really great people
coming up. Do I dare give little little
little hints and previous radio on still listening coming up
soon on the show we're going to have maybe something from black
oath entertainment. Oh I mean, we're gonna have a
little bit of columns or might have a little bit of LFO Sr, the
next, the next, you know, the third seal, the end of the year
is going to be interesting and I'm here on the show.
Also we need to do a giveaway. Yes.
And I stupidly entered into the giveaway, so we're all the lands
on me. Someone else will get it.
So if you are here and you have not entered the giveaway, do
estimation Point giveaway in the next ten seconds, I will close
it and I'll pick three. Hers.
And then I will have you contact me and then I will get your
address and mail you the books. If you don't want me to have
your personal dress, I don't know any other way to get it to
you. So if you win, just save your
legs, probably ask Kirby, they would more than happy happily
send it. I'd assume, I don't know.
They've already sent them to do. I gotta trust me.
I won't talk to you because I don't care enough.
But yeah. So if you haven't entered now,
that state So, I'm going to close these in trees.
And pick three winners. Andy gets one.
That's evil. Andy the Riff Dome.
Answer gets one. And drow gets water so you
didn't win anyway. Um, so I will reach out to to
all of those Andy. I don't have to go far for a
third term answer. Um, do me a solid, just shoot me
a message on Discord are, Discord is right there.
I am Ryan. Or if you are in like exalted
like literally a million people's discords.
I'm in those discords is Ryan. Twi This find me there or shoot
me a message there or shoot me a message on Twitch or have you
like to do it. I'll get in touch with you and
get your address, and I'll reach out to Drought as well.
Regular here in our chat and get their address as well.
So I can ship out though. So thank you everyone for being
here. This is a little bit longer than
we've been doing lately. We're pushing well over three
hours between the interview and the chat with weird and word.
At some point, I will catch up on our Instagram, which is about
six weeks behind. So that's fun.
But but that's it. So where can people find?
You are stuffed, huh? I am if you check out the dice
Maven itch, it is just a single, very strange business card RPG,
but I do plan on sort of just dumping everything onto there
soon. And right now, the best place to
find like update. Would be probably through
fungible, dot dice Maven.com. I'm just keeping track of the
updates even though on the kickstarter because that's
right. Like where my head is most of
that and also working on redesigning the site.
So, but for socials at dice Maven on Twitter and stuff, I,
there's a good old Facebook page that sees a post once in a year.
Maybe, maybe I can. So a, but but we got a lot of
stuff coming out soon. So we'll be able to see more and
more of more and more of your stuff.
I'm very excited that you're excited for some other.
Thank you so much for having me on to chat about weird.
And why are ya? Well not only that.
I mean I think we'll probably you know, in the future after
some other stuff coming up, you're going to need to come on
as a guest and chat about that too.
So we will see how that goes. So this is a little preview with
Tom Allen AKA dice move in here on the show.
So we, if you've seen all of our socials, which are We been
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And that is the end of our show. Again, Tom, thank you so much,
Kirby. Thank you so much for coming on.
You guys. All have a wonderful day and
we'll see you next week Saturday again.
Well preview with mom. Probably Alex, do you like with
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everybody. Be care.