1 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,080 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,160 My name is Ryan. And I'm lost in this dungeon. 3 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:23,760 I don't know how any of these tracks work. 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,400 And, and today, today we're doing our very first adventure 5 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,520 discussion on the show, which feels weird because we've always 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,120 said if you want to read the adventure by the fucking game. 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,600 But, you know, we live, we learn, and we do stuff 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:40,400 different. Today. 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,320 Yeah, today we're looking at Barrow of the Elf King by Nate 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,920 Shreem, an exploratory location for fantasy tabletop adventure 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:55,040 games. Woo woo Boo Boo. 12 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,880 Before that. Because here's the thing, 13 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:04,440 friends, you know, lovers. Rutland's countrymen, yeah. 14 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,360 Blend your ears. Yeah, I'm letting you know now. 15 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,920 I'm going to get loud in this one probably, and I'm going to 16 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,400 try to stay calm. But this is going to be 1 where 17 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,600 I rent. Different than all the other 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,760 episodes, obviously. Yeah, where I'm calm. 19 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,040 I don't yell and everything, but man, I got shit to say. 20 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:30,240 And before that, you know, let's let's, let's, let's bring it 21 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,200 down. How are you doing, buddy? 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,640 How's your day? Fine fine, I just got off work 23 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,040 and now I'm here. But I didn't play any tabletop 24 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,200 games this week because my group bailed again. 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,480 My work schedule got changed and so we had to change days and 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,680 we're having a lot worse turn out on the day we've changed 27 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,440 too. So hopefully it's temporary. 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:57,480 I did paint some terrain. I made some terrain on Monday 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,760 for, you know, ostensibly I'll run Mech 28 in person 30 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,240 eventually, so that. Sick 4. 31 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,960 Mechs though, you know you. Got to get you some mechs 32 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,960 printed. I actually got I got the 33 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,120 original minis from Flames of Orion when they were first kind 34 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,280 of putting it out. Had some minis made, I believe 35 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,320 they were from Ramshackle where I got them. 36 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:27,240 So I bought those. But also the Flames of Orion 37 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,520 Kickstarter. Flames for Orion from Steve of 38 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,400 the high school podcast. The Kickstarter was a while ago. 39 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,720 They dropped the STL files for those which have a bunch of made 40 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,000 Macs, but then a little part. So if you make your own Mac in 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,440 the game, you can put it together would, I mean perfect 42 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:47,600 for Mac 28, so we can always get those size correctly and get 43 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,240 those printed up and you could actually get some, get some. 44 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,960 It's a mix for when. Did flames of Orion come out? 45 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,360 It hasn't come out yet the Kickstarter. 46 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,080 I actually there was an update today talking about it, but the 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,280 quick starts out already you can play with what's out, but there 48 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,080 was an update today with about some like art. 49 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,160 Oh, let, I don't know if you know, let let's done a lot of 50 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,280 stuff in like Mark Borg, Cyborg, stuff like that, the artist, but 51 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,120 drop some art from them. And but yeah, we, we're we're 52 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,240 we're we were going to do Necropolis this coming weekend 53 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,560 as our next not weekly war game. But I've just forgot that you 54 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,560 need to do set up for that. And it's my, it's my job to do 55 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,880 that. And I didn't make an Acropolis 56 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,280 board in Tabletop Simulator, but Hunter had already made a Mac 28 57 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,760 board. So so we're going to run some 58 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,840 Mac 28 while I build an Acropolis board. 59 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,880 And from that I might also build a Sunrot board, because I really 60 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,600 really really really want to play Sunrot. 61 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,200 I have not gone through that one yet, so. 62 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,120 Sunrise Fox. It's really incredible. 63 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,240 But yeah, we'll we'll look at that stuff. 64 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,840 Where was the tangent that got us into make you made terrain? 65 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,880 So you're making sci-fi terrain like I did? 66 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:09,520 Yeah, I made a brood list of building so so. 67 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,560 I do not care how pretentious it is. 68 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,720 Brutalism. You go so fucking hard. 69 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,040 And if I ever owned a home that I could build from scratch 70 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,360 within all the money that I want, it would be nothing but 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,839 like black and concrete and brutalism. 72 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:27,080 And then like honestly just RGB underglow neon lights everywhere 73 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,600 so I never have to turn on an overhead light. 74 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,840 Worst. Night shift, I just want 75 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:35,600 everything in purples and Reds so I never have to turn on an 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,840 overhead light and I can just exist in darkness. 77 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,760 That's all I want. Yeah, my, my dream home is like, 78 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,880 you know, a cottage core cabin in the woods, so. 79 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,000 No, mine is literally like from the outside it's just a giant 80 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,960 cement brutalist structure. On the inside it's just black 81 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,520 with like red lights. That's all I want. 82 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 That's all I want. I just want to crypt. 83 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,480 Realistically, I just want to vampire. 84 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Vampire. I want to. 85 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,440 I want to like Vampire the Masquerade 2025 Vampire Crypt, 86 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,280 you know what I mean? Like with all the electronic 87 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:09,720 bells and whistles. That's all I want. 88 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,440 I'm worried that game's going to be bad. 89 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:15,040 Oh, of course, fuck, fuck. I mean, listen, I could not care 90 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:15,920 less. I'm not going to play it. 91 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,200 I never played the original ones. 92 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,120 I had no design too. I couldn't care. 93 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,760 White Wolf as a company just is awful and I don't believe that 94 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,240 they're going to be better now. So like I'm not even putting any 95 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,640 stock into it. You know, I it can only be so 96 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,640 racist and bigoted and apologize so many times for all the shit 97 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,760 that I stuffed into with magazines before you just. 98 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,360 Apologize one more time, you know. 99 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:47,600 Whatever, very glad that I never that I wasn't near like a 100 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,080 vampire masquerade LARP scene when I was younger because you 101 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,560 know how much worse I would be now. 102 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,160 You can be worse. I know, right? 103 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,320 It's terrible. God, I wish I lived near. 104 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,040 Like, I wish I lived near like a Warhammer store or something 105 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,760 when I was younger, but not like it would have mattered. 106 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,160 My parents would have never let me play any of that shit anyway. 107 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,600 But yeah, is that our time? Is that our time? 108 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,960 Is that our Dick around time in the beginning? 109 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,200 Yep, that's our Dick around time. 110 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,160 It's our Dick around time. So me Castle is here now in the 111 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,640 chat. You have not missed anything. 112 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,600 Just our Dick around time. So yeah, so we're we're we're 113 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,640 going over an adventure today. It is the first one we're going 114 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,600 to do on the show. So we didn't really talk about 115 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,560 the format beforehand because I think we're both kind of busy 116 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,080 this week. We're going to wing it, and then 117 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,560 we'll probably do it poorly and then come up with a better 118 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,680 format after, because that seems to be what we do on the show. 119 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,160 Yeah. So as I said, we're going over 120 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,640 Barrow of the Elf King. So info as per normal here on 121 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,080 the show, Barrow of the Elf King was released in 2021. 122 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,280 It's 16 pages, has 10 rooms or locations because one's not a 123 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:58,920 room, and is suggested for a party of three to four level 1 124 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,640 adventures using the vanilla game by Jared Sinclair or any 125 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,400 OSR ish whatever, right? Whatever that term means, it 126 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,040 does have an HDLHTML version that is free, which is dope. 127 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,800 I was going to bring that up. I'll bring that up so we can 128 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,080 show because that's cool as hell. 129 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,000 Otherwise it's pay what you want. 130 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,840 And it says on there the HTML version, the version you can run 131 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,720 and play and see and do everything will always be free, 132 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,840 which is dope. And if you want the PDF Zine 133 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,400 version, it's 5 bucks and then you get more stuff when you 134 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,840 download it. So that's kind of the that's 135 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,880 kind of info on it. What are we doing next? 136 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Do you want to give I so the pitch that I have written down 137 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,280 for it is pretty much just a pitch from the itch page. 138 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,000 Do you want me to do the pitch and do you want to do like an 139 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,520 overview of it after? Like what? 140 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,080 Like where, where do we want to go from here? 141 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,560 Yeah, Most of my notes are just Reds, Yeah. 142 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,200 Oh, most of my notes are. I went through and listed all 143 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,080 the things I liked and why I liked them. 144 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,360 We don't have to go through every single beat. 145 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,400 It was more just so I had an idea in my head like what my 146 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,600 overarching like things I like about this. 147 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,640 Adventure work, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause we're definitely 148 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,400 not going to read through the adventure. 149 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,880 Like at the end of the day, even though it's free. 150 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,600 So, I mean, it's short enough. We could, we really could. 151 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,840 We don't do that. Anymore spoilers ahead though 152 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,400 'cause we are going to touch on things that happen in this. 153 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,520 So if you're like, wow, I really want to play this and not run 154 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,520 it, maybe quit after Ryan says his next spot, you know? 155 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,840 Yeah, yeah. So the pitch from the itch page 156 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,440 is deep. Oh, you know what? 157 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,960 Well, why don't we kick over to kick over to at least the front 158 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,240 front of the Zine. Here, we'll go to the front of 159 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,799 the Zine. Let me zoom down to page level. 160 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:42,400 Barrow of the Elf King For those in podcast land, this version is 161 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,320 just white. In the middle is a a rectangle 162 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,080 with a tree inside of it. And below that it says Barrow of 163 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,080 the Elf King in a dope black letter font. 164 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,440 The pitch from the itch, page says Deep in the Old Forest, 165 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,080 where the trees grow tall and thick, where the sun rarely 166 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,320 pierces, the canopy is an earthen mound. 167 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,040 No birds sing in this part of the forest. 168 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,800 No wind blows. The leaves of the trees seem 169 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,680 larger, the canopy thicker. Even at midday, it is almost too 170 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,840 dark to see. Pretty dope goes hard. 171 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:19,200 Fucking tick. Yeah, there's also a quote from 172 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,040 from Yates in the front, which is pretty cool. 173 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,880 And if Joy were not on the earth, there were an end of 174 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,040 change in birth, and earth and heaven and hell would die, and 175 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:34,080 then some gloomy barrel lie folded like a frozen fly from 176 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:39,200 the wanderings of Oysan. Yeah, pretty sick public domain 177 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,480 art. There's a sick map and then it 178 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,480 gets right into it. I kind of want to show. 179 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,840 Let me let me bring up that HTML version. 180 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,840 I wanted to show off real quick and then we'll get into the 181 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:57,840 adventure stuffs. Let me let me find let me hit 182 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:08,120 like a studio mode. Oh people see my itch account 183 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:18,000 name real quick. Noise. 184 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,400 Background noise. Damn, that was signed into a 185 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,200 different account. One second all. 186 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,640 Right, I'll wait right here. Do that. 187 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,320 It's not the same I guess it just runs directly on the page. 188 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,760 It's literally dead noise. Can you make noise? 189 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:56,520 Can you? Can you hate? 190 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,520 Yeah, sorry. Hello everyone. 191 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,960 I'm totally conscious right now and not coming down off of work, 192 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,600 you know? How's your morning been, Ryan? 193 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,520 You know, big chilling. All right, here we go. 194 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:10,400 So. Janine. 195 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,320 Good enough. So this right here is bearer of 196 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,720 the Elf King in dark mode, because all of my shit's in dark 197 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,000 mode. But as you can see, it runs 198 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,800 directly on the website, like you can literally from Itch read 199 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,520 the entire adventure in like a straight scroll HTML version. 200 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,400 And that version. Pretty cool when you download 201 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,880 the thing too. Yeah, I'm just going to get rid 202 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,160 of that. That's not doing what I wanted 203 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,520 to do. But for those in podcast land, 204 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,400 you're not going to see what happens next because I'm going 205 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,160 to show on my phone. Another cool thing that when you 206 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,240 actually do that, see my phone right? 207 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,720 I see it. You can hit Run Dungeon directly 208 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,280 from the itch page and it loads that directly into your phone 209 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,360 and you can run a mobile version of the adventure right from your 210 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,840 phone. That's incredible. 211 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,680 I wish every everything had this, that you could just have 212 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:10,000 the notes in like a mobile version. 213 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,040 There are some RPGs that have been putting out like kind of 214 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,840 mobile versions, especially for adventures and stuff where it's 215 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,800 just blown. It's just sized to your shit so 216 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,200 you don't need to worry about margins and stuff. 217 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,920 And I think that's great. I love using my phone or iPads 218 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,120 and stuff like that for for running stuff when I run stuff. 219 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,840 I've been dragging my laptop down a lot, but yeah, I've been 220 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,280 using my iPad a little bit more. Very convenient. 221 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:42,080 Yeah, so after the the stirring radio that that just was sorry. 222 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Do you want to do you want to give a quick what what was next 223 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,200 thing? Do you want to give a quick 224 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,560 spoilers head a quick just kind of rundown of like what what you 225 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,920 were thinking like for for doing this? 226 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,480 What was what's next? Yeah, some light spoilers, 227 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,280 y'all. So there's yeah, like we said, 228 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:03,160 there's 9 rooms, 10 locations, and there are a bunch of like 229 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:12,120 really solid encounters and traps that are very, very HPS, 230 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,640 you know, like. Yes. 231 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,280 Like it's I every adventure I've gone through by Highland 232 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,680 paranormal sight night dream. I enjoy the like simple little 233 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:28,920 puzzles and traps and encounters that you come across. 234 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,720 It's not just your bog standard stuff. 235 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,000 So let's go through it through some of my favorite. 236 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,120 There's not many in here, so we're going to kind of touch on 237 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,880 a few of them. Yeah. 238 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,760 I mean, so realistically you would say what? 239 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,360 There's two kind of bosses in here, Yes. 240 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:51,800 And then I would say 2, two kind of like role play opportunity 241 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,120 issue counters. I think so, Yeah. 242 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,840 So the two bosses are the elf king and the. 243 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,960 Titular elf king. Yeah, and then the Spider, which 244 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,040 is surprisingly actually the stronger of the two bosses, 245 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,600 right? Statistics wise, it is a 4D 246 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,720 monster, not a 3D monster. Which did you like better, the 247 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,600 the titular elf king or the the the spider her name is or their 248 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:22,080 name is? Sarah Motra, sin spinner. 249 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:28,880 Yeah, 4 HD and elf king. Ghost is 3 HD or the elf King. 250 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,560 I like both of them for different reasons. 251 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:38,000 Like I spoilers ahead y'all. I like the hourglass mechanism 252 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,960 with the with the elf boss. Like if the sand is running in 253 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,160 the hourglass, the the ghost of this elf king appears and you 254 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,240 can challenge them in combat and if you win you get something. 255 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,640 But also, you can just flip the hourglass, you know, and be 256 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,480 like, we're not fucking dealing with this right now. 257 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,600 Or break it. Or do whatever you want. 258 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,400 But you can also just make it like where the sand stops 259 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,360 falling and then you're like, cool, we'll just come back to 260 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,800 this later. And I totally see my party, 261 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:04,960 dude. And unfortunately we did not get 262 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,640 to run this last night because my everyone in my group picks 263 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,760 up. One person paled but we were 264 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,400 going to and I'm I'm bummed we didn't. 265 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:20,120 And then for Sargamatra, I haven't written right here, but 266 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,320 I haven't said it out loud yet. I like the potential for them 267 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,400 becoming a patron A. Dude is sick and she's my 268 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,120 favorite. Great. 269 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,880 Idea so I mean. I keep saying she, but I'm 270 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,800 pretty sure it's a they the whole time. 271 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,520 But my like Loth is just deeply embedded into my soul. 272 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,000 So, you know, that's I yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 273 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:49,680 But I don't think, I don't think there's ever an explicit thing. 274 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,960 But I don't know. I mean, Charlotte's Web too. 275 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,760 Every time I think of like a spider, I just assume they're 276 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,440 female like, well, the spider. Promotion brings is also a 277 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:58,880 female. So yeah, I shouldn't assume a 278 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,360 spider's gender, but I mean, that's, you know, that's my 279 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,440 social conditioning, I guess. But yeah, I don't believe it's 280 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,840 ever explicitly stated. I, I, you know what I like most 281 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,800 about it is the opportunity, like you just said, like the 282 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,280 patron aspect. Yes. 283 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,680 Which without, I mean, I'm not, we're not going to say spoilers 284 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,080 every time we say something. We've already said it. 285 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,880 No, we've said it. But the fact that basically you 286 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:31,640 will get spider abilities if you let them bite you, but you then 287 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:39,240 have to bring them a victim once a month forever because if you 288 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,040 don't because it has to keep being reapplied, like because 289 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,800 otherwise it basically turns to poison and you'll die. 290 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,560 So you're fucked for life if you take this ability. 291 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,640 But like that's dope at level 1 to have. 292 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,000 You can resist it. You have to make three saving 293 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,560 rows 3 days in a row. Yeah, a savings go three days in 294 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,640 a row at level. I mean, at level one that sucks, 295 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,520 but at higher levels, you might be able to eventually break out, 296 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,000 which I also think is incredible. 297 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Yeah, let me keep it a buck. I would. 298 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:14,240 I would. I wouldn't even let them finish 299 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,079 talking. I'd be like, Yep, bite me, let's 300 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,200 do this thing. Yeah, I, I think it's really 301 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,319 funny. I I think it's like a it's also 302 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:25,839 cool because like listen 5, he's bad in the middle reference it. 303 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:31,160 I narratively love the warlock because I love the idea of 304 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:36,200 having this third party patron that provides you power and then 305 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,320 like gets involved in some way or you were like at their beck 306 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,520 and call. I think this is like a really 307 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,680 interesting natural way to have like a patron that gives you an 308 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,480 ability. The way they kind of like 309 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,720 disrupt what you're doing is that you have to, once a month, 310 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,720 bring them a a person to devour. Which is like a monthly quest 311 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,800 you're going to have to go on in the future anyway, too, which 312 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,480 eventually, yeah, you're going to you're going to do it for a 313 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,720 while. And if you continue a longer 314 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,040 campaign with this, eventually you are going to be like, fuck, 315 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,120 we can't be doing this every month. 316 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:10,560 We, we, we are. There's a distance that we can 317 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,200 reach that before we need to come back and we need to exceed 318 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:14,960 that distance. One of my other favorite parts 319 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,760 about this is one of the things that Nate does incredibly in 320 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,880 their dungeon. So we'll get into the style of 321 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,840 Nate's dungeons and play and adventures and stuff in after 322 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,200 this, I think. But the skeleton room is 323 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,440 incredible to me. I. 324 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,240 Love the skeleton room the. Opportunity for role play, and 325 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,600 then we'll come back to white matters in the spiders layer. 326 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,880 So there's a room, the guard room, where there's just a bunch 327 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,480 of skeletons hanging out. They're they're gambling at a 328 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,120 table, betting their armor and even their bones if they if they 329 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,680 lose while they're gambling. Apparently there was an ancient 330 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,960 enchantment that kept them here, but it has not faded away. 331 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,160 And it specifically says that they are just bored out of their 332 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,640 fucking minds. And every time you talk to them, 333 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,360 they end every kind of interaction with OK, time for 334 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,400 you to go. It's getting late. 335 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,760 Why don't you? They hit the old dusty trail, 336 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,600 motherfuckers, you know? I love that they're such a 337 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,200 guard, but they're like, yeah, cool. 338 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,120 Great talk. I guess we'll see you later. 339 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:21,320 You know, bye. But what what I really like is 340 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,360 one of the things that Nate does a lot with the dungeons is 341 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:26,320 writes a story without telling a story, right? 342 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,720 Like gives opportunity for for a narrative. 343 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,640 So there are a couple of skeletons in this room. 344 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,200 There is another skeleton somewhere. 345 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,560 Do you remember where the skeleton is? 346 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,000 I do. Yeah, so they are wrapped up in 347 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,920 silk in the spider's lair, which is just such a great. 348 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,880 So one one that one thing that's great about dungeon design is 349 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,880 when you put loops in in in like quote UN quote Joaquang or I 350 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:59,600 prefer source of victories. You know this like the cyclic 351 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,800 dungeon design, right? Putting loops in dungeon is 352 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,000 great. This game it it kind of has a 353 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,120 loop in it. But this is in my mind, like a 354 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:09,480 narrative loop. This you go forward and then you 355 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,040 go back because you found the skeleton and you're going to go 356 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,280 back to the skeletons again. So it causes you to make like a 357 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,560 circle back deep into the dungeon again. 358 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,120 If you free that skeleton to take him back to the other 359 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:22,680 skeletons which is dope which then also gives you. 360 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,520 An opportunity for potential treasure. 361 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,880 What, You know, we can skip that one, you know, leave a little 362 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,920 something for the readers. Yeah, but that one's great. 363 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,320 And then the the two other kind of things in the dungeon are 364 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,560 one, the goblin and a barrel, which is just going to which it 365 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,360 literally is just like, oh, we got to throw in the goblin NPC 366 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:39,880 that everyone's going to fucking love, right. 367 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Yeah. The. 368 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,400 Child. Yeah. 369 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,120 The lost child, Yeah. Yeah, the lost child goblin that 370 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:45,560 just becomes like the pet basically. 371 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,520 And then the other one here that really matters is the royal 372 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,680 organ storage, where they had stuffed all the organs and, 373 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,640 like, worms were eating them up. And it just. 374 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,800 Yeah. And it just leaves a couple of 375 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,280 the couple of the elf King's organs there. 376 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,800 Won't get into that too much. But. 377 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,600 But that is basically, that's basically the adventure. 378 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,080 And then, well, we didn't talk about the entrance, which I 379 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:11,800 think is also incredible. The way to get into. 380 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,000 Yeah. So basically, yeah, there's a 381 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,200 puzzle and it's 3. It's a fallen Cairn, so it's 382 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,560 three massive stones that are all the same shape, but one can 383 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,720 be lifted by one person, one has to be lifted by at least two 384 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,560 people, one has to be lifted by at least three, and you have to 385 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,840 stack them before the tunnel will open. 386 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:40,720 To me, that feels incredible. That feels very like folklore in 387 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,880 a way, when folklore was folklore kind of myth, not 388 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,040 magic, you know what I mean? It feels old world, you know 389 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,760 what I mean? Like like you're calling to 390 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,720 something, you know? I just like that it is a puzzle 391 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,800 that is fairly simple, but I know that when it's solved, 392 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,200 you'll feel like I did a thing. You know? 393 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,160 Like you'll feel sad. Facts. 394 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,320 I'm having solved it. I'm going to keep it a buck. 395 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:08,560 I guarantee there's people that this everyone shot is A2 shot 396 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,040 because of things like this, because you know, people are 397 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,680 going to be like, we got to spell something out like we got 398 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,560 to like put them on their heads. We got to like roll them over 399 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,840 like because they really. Make all the all the three 400 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,120 stones, the leather. It's like, no, there's three big 401 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:26,240 stones, Yeah. So yeah, I love that I. 402 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,800 Love the skull trap immediately afterwards. 403 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,000 Oh God yeah, the the inked skulls. 404 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,960 Yeah, yeah. I thought it was a very 405 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,240 interesting and fun trap that I know my party would fall for 406 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,440 because they would see a skull with jeweled eyes and go cool 407 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,520 and pick that shit up. Yank it and every and there are 408 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,360 how many stones are in here is a shit load right? 409 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,640 Or is it just like 3? What do you mean? 410 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,160 How many? How many stones? 411 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,080 Oh. 4 skulls. 4/2 on each side. Yeah, yeah. 412 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,880 Jewels in the eyes and attached to wires. 413 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,360 So if you yank it, tunnel collapses. 414 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,400 You know, it does sucks quite a bit. 415 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Of damage, you know, like a potentially. 6 for a first level 416 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:12,440 cart party, yeah it's crazy. Yeah, I think the only other 417 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,160 part that I like I really want to talk about because I think 418 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:24,320 it's such a clever above the trap is the magic well or the 419 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,120 wall full of magic water. It is really funny. 420 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. 421 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,360 So funny. Basically there is a well in one 422 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,760 of these rooms that has something in it under this water 423 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,080 and this water is enchanted. It is like the like not acid 424 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,160 acid. Basically, it only burns 425 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,280 inanimate objects, so when your characters jump in with their 426 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,120 weapons on or their backpack on, their skin will be fine, but all 427 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,840 their stuff will dissolve. And I'm like, that's an amazing 428 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,760 trap, you know? Yeah. 429 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,000 And there are ways throughout the dungeon where you can learn 430 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,520 the the like how it works so that doesn't happen to you? 431 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,400 Yes. But but my characters are dumb. 432 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,840 My players are like are Barbarians that sometimes pick 433 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,720 not the barbarian class and they would absolutely without a doubt 434 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,400 be like, OK, well, let's just jump into what happens. 435 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,560 And I'd be like, go for it. I would not ask them if they 436 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,920 took anything off and when they got in there, I'd be like, yes, 437 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,120 you jumped with all your gear on. 438 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,360 So oh your. Shit melts, yeah. 439 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,400 You're naked, so. Yeah, but I mean, here's the 440 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,360 thing, at the end of the day, no, I guess it wouldn't. 441 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,800 It wouldn't burn you even if yourself was melting, because 442 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,520 this is bringing the stuff. But yeah, that's cool. 443 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,560 I mean, I even like the the the way to get out, like having a 444 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,960 hole in an oak tree. But like even to the point where 445 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,600 it says it's just big enough to squeeze through and you have to 446 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,000 pass packs through. I'm like, that's such a good 447 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,760 narrative, you know? Yeah, it really. 448 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,320 Is so going over the way, is there anything else specific you 449 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,160 wanted to talk about in the? Adventure that's like, we 450 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,320 already talked about most of the dungeon, but there's a couple 451 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,640 things we didn't. But it's a good, yeah. 452 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,760 Yeah, which is great. And and so talking about the 453 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,560 structure of the adventure, basically it's each room is one 454 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,520 page. When there's room, there's a 455 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,360 little piece of art on it. You get at the top, you get the 456 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,880 room number, the kind of the room name, you get description 457 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,160 all the way through. And then at the very bottom it 458 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,000 gives you all of the entrances and exits from the room. 459 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,680 It's definitely told in a way that and Nate, almost all of 460 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,640 Nate's the adventures are like this. 461 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,600 It gives you all the information you need from kind of the most 462 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:41,160 important information down right, and but it doesn't give 463 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:47,520 you I'll say I think I could say this without any reservations. 464 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,440 Nate dreams, dungeons adventures in general are my favorite 465 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,680 adventures and and one of the reasons why. 466 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,440 And let me get this out before I start ranting because this is 467 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,160 going to be the the the the the devolution into rant here. 468 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,040 We go y'all. No, we're not there yet, but but 469 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,760 they, they give you information in such a great way without 470 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,760 giving you they give you opportunity for narrative 471 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,840 without giving you story is what I'm trying to say. 472 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,760 As in they don't say if the characters do this, then this 473 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,240 guy says that you know what I mean? 474 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,640 Like it's not this is called an exploratory location. 475 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,200 This is how I want adventures and This is why I say I hate 476 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,800 adventures. I genuinely dislike the vast 477 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,320 majority of adventures that are out there because I don't want 478 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,480 to use them and because most adventures feel like like 479 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,240 someone wrote a story and then figured out how to stat it, 480 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,440 which I hate. I hate it. 481 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,240 I don't want adventures just give me locations, give me the 482 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,960 stuff and people at the locations and let the players 483 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,160 tell the fucking story. Like just emergent narrative 484 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,920 that like, I don't anything else. 485 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,400 Again, just feels like you should have just wrote a novel. 486 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,560 Like just write a short story if that's what you want. 487 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,640 If your adventure has a beginning, a middle and an end, 488 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,560 if it has a plot arc to it, it's not an adventure like it is, you 489 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,280 know what I mean? Like, you know, if you're 490 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,560 uncovering something like a town, there's a weird thing that 491 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,720 you're uncovering that's might be a little bit different 492 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,640 because The thing is is actively happening and you are figuring 493 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,640 it out. And that is a play. 494 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,600 But like 5 E adventures in general, like you can just flip 495 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,200 to the end and know how the adventure ends. 496 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,280 Then it's that's not again, it should have just been a short 497 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,720 story. There's this thing that Nate 498 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:34,160 posted a while ago and let me find it that it's kind of I 499 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,440 think their ethos on gaming basically, and I'm like IA 500 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,520 million percent agree with it. So I wanted to go over it a 501 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,960 little bit and this will kind of like explain the point a little 502 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,320 bit, at least what I'm trying to say. 503 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,720 But I this is from Nate posted this on some social media and it 504 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,720 is just a set. It's just like a little set of 505 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,000 of points, right? With a little piece of art in 506 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,480 the bottom. And, and these are the points. 507 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:02,680 It says there is no plot. Stories are mere relics of the 508 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,640 adventure that emerges during play. 509 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,320 Couldn't possibly agree with that more. 510 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,760 And This is why I don't like adventures. 511 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,520 Like I want my players to play the game. 512 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,840 I don't want to guide them through it. 513 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,920 It says build paths, not walls. Do not try to plan for 514 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,280 everything. Learn to react. 515 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,440 This talent develops with practice. 516 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,960 That's a big one I'm gonna rant about in a little bit. 517 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,080 The imagined world is real. Let its denizens have goals, 518 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,640 desires, and schemes with which the players must contend. 519 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,520 Be generous with information. Knowledge allows players to make 520 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,400 informed decisions as they engage with the world. 521 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600 Use proper tools. There are myriad adventures, 522 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,280 random tables, and ideas at your disposal. 523 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,760 Take what you need. The world is not precious. 524 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,560 The players will disrupt and soil the world you have 525 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,200 prepared. This should be encouraged. 526 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,800 Prioritize joy and safety. Establish why you are playing 527 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,200 and do not introduce troubling content without consent. 528 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,560 And the last is do not suffer the ghouls of bigotry and 529 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,680 fascism at your table. Remove them from the game 530 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,600 quickly and viciously. Fuck yeah. 531 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,400 Oh yeah, and I just that is this is how I like to play games. 532 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,760 And This is why, again, why I think that I resonate, 533 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:08,640 adventures resonate with me so much is if this is their play 534 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,240 ethos when they're actually like playing and running games. 535 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,560 This is clearly the ethos they do when they're writing 536 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,200 adventures, which comes through in the adventure, right. 537 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,080 Like we've talked about this over and over again with the 538 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,000 adventures from them, like, like what child is this the five E 539 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,720 God child adventure? It's just you can go through the 540 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,360 adventures. And one of my favorite things is 541 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,040 like I said, it will, it will give you a room. 542 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,760 It will give you who's in there. It might give you the demeanor 543 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,560 of those people, but it will never say like if, if they say 544 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,800 this, then you do that, If they do this and covers that. 545 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,000 Like it's not giving you the story, like it's just giving you 546 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,560 the circumstances in which to play. 547 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,320 And that, that is, that is why I love Nate's adventures so much. 548 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,920 And that's why this one is a great adventure. 549 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,080 It's a it's a quick level 1 adventure where you get to 550 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,720 battle basically like a forest God, an elf king ghost, you 551 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,600 know, and then you get your, you get your goblin companion. 552 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,840 Boom, level 1, you're done. You know, like you got it all. 553 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,440 What do you, what do you, what do you think of of what I just 554 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,680 said? I I mean, I don't have a lot 555 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,160 like meaningful to add to that. I very, very much agree. 556 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,680 Like, I mean, a lot of times when I I do run more adventures 557 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,160 than you do, yes, I like to run adventures, but I throw out a 558 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,840 bunch of stuff. Like I'm never, it's never on 559 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,960 rails with my party. Like I just have a good I, I 560 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,120 know what's in there and I know kind of like what each end to 561 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,800 NPC's goal kind of is and what's going on in the area. 562 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,440 And then whatever story emerges from that is whatever the five 563 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:50,040 or six almost sociopath homeless people that roam my game worlds 564 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,120 do, you know, like. So yeah, I have no idea what's 565 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,480 going to happen. Mostly it's like, it's just like 566 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,560 there's people there and they have feel certain ways and they 567 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,560 have their own ambitions and goals and they have stuff for 568 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,360 y'all to find. Have fun. 569 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,800 They come across an NBC and you know, if there's NBCS that are 570 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,920 set up for the adventure, like I'll use the broad strokes for 571 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,360 them. But yeah, I I keep a pretty open 572 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,280 format, so neat dreams are great. 573 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:21,520 I mean I've run the Moldy Unicorn and the dungeon right 574 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,040 after that from I'm forgetting words. 575 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,920 Please help. Haunted Almanac. 576 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,200 I mean, it's from other stuff too. 577 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,880 Yeah, it's from Haunted Almanac, but what game was I thinking? 578 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,360 Is it the game that follows it in Haunted Almanac? 579 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:42,000 I mean, the games are what pro there's and I have all of them. 580 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,160 I can just. The best game, my favorite one. 581 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,120 Tunnel goons. Tunnel goons. 582 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,840 Thank you. It's a tunnel goons adventure. 583 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,240 I mean, you can play, but pretty much play with anything. 584 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,760 Yeah, I had AI, had a great time with that. 585 00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:02,280 But again, it's like there's some clever, clever little I'm 586 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,920 doing so bad. There's some clever traps, some 587 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,320 fun interactions, there's some puzzles. 588 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,280 It's a very great adventure just like this is, you know. 589 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,320 Sorry I'm so stupid today, everyone. 590 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,200 Yeah. You are kind of dumb today bro. 591 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,480 Yeah, I am fucking idiot bro. Look, I can't find it. 592 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,280 It's somewhere back here. I've I've reorganized, but the 593 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,480 Haunted Almanac from the printed by Games Omnivorous is, in my 594 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:34,000 opinion, one of the most essential pieces of of game, of 595 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,160 play, of literature, of whatever in the indie TRPG space. 596 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:45,040 I don't think there is anything much better that someone like 597 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,400 newer to the space, older the space, whatever, especially 598 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,720 newer designers and stuff should read than that because it is 599 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,800 such a amazing gathering of simple but incredibly clever 600 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:05,320 games, fairly like adventurous like this that are just clean, 601 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,120 concise, but extremely evocative and fun. 602 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,720 It is. It is a just a Immaculate 603 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,360 resource for, I don't know, just unlock it The first time. 604 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,600 I mean the first time I read ton of goons was one of the games 605 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,000 that broke my brain where I was just like, Oh my God, like, look 606 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,280 how simple but complex this is. Like look how clever this is. 607 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,960 Like I mean, even just like picking your Cape color is such 608 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,960 a huge thing, but such a small thing. 609 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,400 And that feels like a lot of what Nate does is something you 610 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,640 think seems so kind of like simple or straightforward, has 611 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,160 an incredible amount of depth to it, which which I think is 612 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,760 always incredibly interesting. We were actually going to do a 613 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:55,400 different adventure, which was the the the fame of the snouted 614 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,680 Pope. I love that one, but we decided 615 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,280 not to because it a lot of Nate's adventures are on their 616 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,719 itch page, but that is on their Patreon. 617 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,600 And a lot of stuff on Patreon is on itch, but that one is not. 618 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,000 So it felt kind of weird doing one that is behind a purposeful 619 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,840 paywall. Absolutely. 620 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,120 And that is but also because it's also just not available if 621 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,040 you don't back to Patreon. Like if we picked another one 622 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,480 that's on the Patreon, but then also got to the itch, you can at 623 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,480 least buy it on itch. So it's weird to be like, here's 624 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,159 an adventure you can't have unless you back to Patreon, 625 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,800 which you should, you absolutely should. 626 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,600 It's one of the best patreons out there for designers or for 627 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,560 for indie teacher teacher FG people. 628 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:42,120 But yeah, OK, All right, start to the rants first. 629 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,639 First, I do want to say there is a cool thing. 630 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,639 There's a Cairn conversion. I know, I think I know a couple 631 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,120 of people that have run this and I think almost all of them ran 632 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,800 it in Cairn. You can run it in. 633 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,200 I think you said you're going to prep in Bastards. 634 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,000 Obviously you can run it with the vanilla game if you have the 635 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,920 vanilla game, which. It's a very simple dungeon and 636 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,440 there's not like a ton like even the magic items which there are 637 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,760 actually like several in this dungeon and they're all very 638 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,480 interesting. They're all also like generic 639 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,000 ish enough or what they do is easy enough to modify. 640 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,440 It's like any game. Yeah. 641 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:38,040 And then there's also I wanted to pull up the Karen page, but 642 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:45,120 this being weird and not showing the thing and I don't feel like 643 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,600 adding another resource, but on Karen's website, you can go to 644 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,360 the adventure conversion section and it literally gives you a 645 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,560 room by room conversion chart for for it. 646 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,960 So for example, like you know, goblin in a barrel, run it as 647 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,160 written, but then in the garden room as written, but it gives 648 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,880 stats for the Stellingen guard that would convert them over to 649 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,040 Cairn. So really really quick, simple, 650 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,440 straightforward document to be able to run it in a slightly 651 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,200 different adventure so you don't have to do a whole lot of work 652 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,640 for it. There's a bunch of stuff over 653 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,480 for these conversions on Karen that are really fun, but that 654 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,680 would be really fun to run in Karen or can 2E or this would 655 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,640 be, I mean again, neat stuff. And for as much as the OSR 656 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,520 exists, which I don't even get me fucking started, that's not 657 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,840 the rant for today. For the dungeon ish game that 658 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,360 uses probably the 20s or whatever, you know, they're 659 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,080 they're all mostly compatible just by tweaking a couple of 660 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,280 things. Karen is one of the really, 661 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,520 really great ones to run stuff in, especially since it's a, you 662 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,920 know, mark of the odd into the odd descendant. 663 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,320 So all right, let's talk about why I hate adventures and most 664 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:54,080 of the discussion around them. So one comment on this page 665 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,480 right from this adventure, I'm just going to read it. 666 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,640 It said a small dungeon without context or story. 667 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,160 Easy to run but quite frustrating if your players 668 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,840 don't think like the designer. It lacks diverse ways to tackle 669 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,080 challenges and a more detailed setting well. 670 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,240 You don't tell me all the diverse ways to tackle things. 671 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:17,120 There's no way I as an independent human could come up 672 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,040 with my own means. I need the answer to every 673 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:25,480 question, Ryan. It's like I'm there has to be 20 674 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,480 ways that you can talk to this goblin child or it's a terrible 675 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,360 adventure, right? And this is one of the things 676 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,920 that I fucking hate about adventures. 677 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:42,360 Like there's people, there's people that some for some reason 678 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:50,240 think that if the adventure doesn't hold your hand, hold 679 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,080 your hand. Pick you up and carry you all 680 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,480 the way. Through. 681 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,080 If the adventure doesn't hold your hand, guide you all the way 682 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,240 through it and then walk you home and then pick you up and 683 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,840 carry you across the threshold and then rub your feet and cook 684 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120 you dinner and then take you up to the bedroom and fuck you 685 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,600 gently to completion and then cuddle you to sleep, then it is 686 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,600 somehow a bad adventure. And that honestly it your bad 687 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,240 GM's. Yeah, that's what it comes down 688 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:18,040 to. Like it. 689 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,320 The fact that if you need every single itty bitty tiny detail 690 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,840 like given to you, spoon fed to you for the story and 691 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,040 everything, you should just be a player. 692 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,200 And that's my genuine take out the end of the day. 693 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,200 If you have a complete and total inability to improvise any 694 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,680 aspect of the game or to use your own fucking imagination to 695 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,440 put two things together, right? I don't there's nothing that 696 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,120 anyone can do to help you, right? 697 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,960 That's not. But even that's where because my 698 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,800 players have the ability to improvise and take situations as 699 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,480 they come and add to them and deal with them naturally. 700 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,160 That is that. Is it's such a bizarro comment. 701 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,720 I'm actually looking at the comment right now. 702 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,120 I'm tempted to go. Hilarious comment bro. 10 out of 703 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,960 10. It's crazy. 704 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,320 I mean, there's some other people, there's some other 705 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,000 people that write plenty of stuff in this space that people 706 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,680 read and listen to that basically say if this requires 707 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,120 any work for me whatsoever, it's not good. 708 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:23,720 And that is a terrible opinion. That is just just, that's just 709 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,480 so insane to me. Like I don't, that's when IGN, 710 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,240 that's the shit I like. I like the prep, I like the 711 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,680 improv. I like feeling like I'm a player 712 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,600 and having the improv as much as I'm asking my players to having 713 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,440 to put things together as much as they are. 714 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,960 It doesn't make any sense to me why, if all you're doing is 715 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,880 reading off of it, then why aren't the players just pull it 716 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200 like playing with an Oracle or something? 717 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,360 What is your purpose? Yeah, what are you doing? 718 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,600 You're doing. Honestly, yeah. 719 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,880 Is reading the box text and just and then then just doing. 720 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,920 OK, well, they did A, so B and then C, then D and then then, 721 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,120 then what is your purpose? Like I don't understand the 722 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,040 point of the GM. If you're, if all you're doing 723 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,640 is regurgitating exactly what's written in front of you, what is 724 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,480 your point? What is the purpose of this? 725 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,160 Meat Castle games I was. Going to say, I saw like 10 726 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,080 messages pop up, so I didn't know what what? 727 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,640 What about? Yeah. 728 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:22,120 You aren't really GM ING, you're just reciting from a flow chart. 729 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,600 Which is so true. Like what a weird comment. 730 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,080 Like wow I really need all of this laid out from here else I 731 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,840 don't understand how it works. A little bizarre. 732 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,640 What a bizarre. Way to think about like 733 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,560 adventures and tabletop games. I mean, it's weird to me because 734 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,920 like, you know, obviously we've been doing this for a while, but 735 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,840 like I played 5 E for a really long time and I played Cypher 736 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,880 system after that and those adventures still when I ran 737 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,600 adventures for that, I'm like, oh, we're making it. 738 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,920 We're we're tweaking this as our own, you know, like what do you 739 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,680 mean context? The context was weird. 740 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,000 The context for the dungeon. It's like dude, it's it's a 741 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,480 generic wasn't dungeon put it anywhere. 742 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,240 It's a level 1. Yeah. 743 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,160 Barrow, you need more setting. It's a fucking mound with a dead 744 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,320 king inside. I'm sorry the companion novel is 745 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,760 still being written. Like what the fuck are you 746 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,400 talking about it? It's crazy. 747 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,760 Me and yes me Council also said this is really more about 748 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,680 hitting the culture around adventures and the adventures 749 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,280 itself. It's both I hate them both I 750 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,480 fueled by hate. I don't. 751 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,840 Blood doesn't run through these rates. 752 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,000 It's pure unadulterated hatred. I like. 753 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,040 Adventures. I mean, I definitely have run 754 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,440 enough to where I don't like certain ones and I don't like 755 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,720 certain things about them, but for the most part, especially in 756 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,640 the indie space, the adventures are pretty good. 757 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,280 So at. The end of the day, I I don't, I 758 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,200 don't, I don't. It's hit or miss, right? 759 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,320 I you know what? I'll tell you the adventure. 760 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,240 They made me hate adventures. It was 5 E. 761 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,600 It was Princess of the Apocalypse. 762 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,240 God. God's. 763 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,400 A fucking terrible adventure. I'm not even going to get into 764 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,560 why it's just so bad. I never. 765 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,760 Your like adventure experience with 5E has really colored your 766 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,240 opinion overall. Like I'd still say they're 767 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:09,760 fairly hit or miss, but the indie ones are usually way I. 768 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:16,000 Will I will disagree to a point. I I think that it open my eyes 769 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,000 to the flaws of a lot of stuff but The thing is like I I'm not 770 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,960 saying that all the adventures are bad, but I will very rarely 771 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,640 play an adventure as written front to back. 772 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,360 What I'll most often do is pull out the highlights that I enjoy 773 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,240 or that I know are my players kind of vibes, right? 774 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,840 And then I'll lay those locations out to them and, or 775 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,640 I'll pull an NPC out and put in something else. 776 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:46,680 Like I more than anything, I use adventures as just a giant 777 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,480 toolbox and I open it up and I pull out the pieces that I want 778 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,240 to use. I, I, I very rarely will run an 779 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:56,960 adventure like front to back as written, just because at the end 780 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,840 of the day, you're still, there's still a narrative 781 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,040 involved. And if it's not quite how my 782 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,240 brain works, I'm just going to tweak it so it fits my brain and 783 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,960 I'm fine with that. And that's why I we, that's why 784 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,760 I like rules like system in short adventure locations versus 785 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,920 some like giant mega campaign. Because the problem is the 786 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,960 bigger an adventure gets it. It's kind of like it's, it's, 787 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,640 it's, it's, it's with anything, right? 788 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,080 A small adjustment going forward. 789 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,400 A little bit is a small, but a small adjustment that goes a 790 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,800 mile ahead. You're going to be half a mile 791 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,400 off track by the the farther it gets out. 792 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,600 So when you fuck with campaigns, you have it, it's his ripple 793 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,120 effect that's going to go through the entire thing. 794 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,200 So I would much rather have location, location, location, 795 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,240 location I. Mean that makes sense because 796 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,360 like my opinion of adventures more positive yours, but all the 797 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,680 adventures I run are essentially like they're. 798 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,160 A. Couple locations yeah two shots 799 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,280 they're like hey here's here's a few ideas and maybe how you got 800 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,440 here but it doesn't really matter how you got here like 801 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,600 figure it out with your party and then here's some locations 802 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,280 here's some stuff in the locations have a good time and 803 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,000 that's the whole. Thing look at the longest that 804 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:04,520 that we've run for a while here on the show. 805 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,520 The longest thing I think we've ever really run on the show was 806 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,200 in the light of setting sun with John Davis. 807 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,280 And what was that adventure if not just a series of literally 808 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,200 random role locations and the story that emerged from it. 809 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,920 The story of our characters was the emergent narrative. 810 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,400 There was there was there was a sick town get vaccine. 811 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,800 That's it. And then everything that's 812 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,640 happened in between was the narrative that we that emerged 813 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:36,520 during play, which is how, how I'd like to play, which is how 814 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,640 I, again, in my opinion, this is how I like to play. 815 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,880 I you know I'm not trying to make broad sweeping statements 816 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,120 for the most part. I also had a friend recently 817 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,720 tell me another story about comments right. 818 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,520 A friend that wrote that writes adventures told me about a 819 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:01,120 comment they got on A2 page one shot right and it amounted to 820 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,720 the very classic why would my adventurers not just runaway 821 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,080 bullshit. And it's like. 822 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,600 I saw this conversation happen and. 823 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,760 It's going to stay anonymous. Yeah, I'm on, said. 824 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,720 I'm going to call it AL. And it's just the stupidest 825 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,640 fucking critique because it's a fucking game. 826 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,160 Because it's a. Fucking game because it's a game 827 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,960 Because it's a game. I don't understand HR but teaser 828 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,560 game you sit down to play the game. 829 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,480 You totally. Cut out. 830 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,560 It's a game. Like, stop being precious with 831 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,800 your bullshit. It's a fucking game. 832 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,320 Why would the adventures go into the town? 833 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,080 Because you are the GM and there are players that there is a town 834 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680 in front of them there. There is an expectation. 835 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,640 There is no such thing as pure T, pure role play, whatever. 836 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,840 There's always the expectation that I shouldn't break the shit. 837 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,120 This is where the GM wants me to go. 838 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,800 I'm going to go there because that's the whole reason we came 839 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,400 tonight. That's the reason we go Mountain 840 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,880 Dew and the fucking Fritos and we're playing the fucking game 841 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,320 because it's a fucking game. I mean, my only thing, my thing 842 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,720 is also just like for me personally, I would never ask a 843 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:05,000 question like that too. Because like if we were playing 844 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,600 like a lot of times, I'll gather several adventures and I'll put 845 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,000 them in a hex map together. So if my players come to 846 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,040 something and they're like, we're not going to go into this, 847 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,480 I'm like, OK, whatever. Like that might end our night 848 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,360 and I have nothing else prepped. But that's another choice that 849 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,520 they can make. But. 850 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,680 That's fine, but. But my players aren't assholes, 851 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,400 though they would they would be like or we're doing this night, 852 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,480 so let's fucking go in that's. Two things for that. 853 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,320 One, if you have a player that rolls up to the planned 854 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,600 adventure you have and goes, well, I don't want to do that. 855 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,000 And that's the kind of player you say you're not planning my 856 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,800 game anymore. You are that guy totally. 857 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,440 We don't have that guys in my table, right? 858 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,400 Like this is what's planned. I actually don't have any of 859 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,520 those guys in my table. They'll lean into any insane 860 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,240 bullshit I put in. As they should, because it's a 861 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,680 fucking game. That'd be so weird for someone 862 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,920 to roll up to a game of basketball and be like but why 863 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,920 would I shoot the ball I don't like? 864 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,880 Give me my motivation. Why would I dribble? 865 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,080 You know? Why can't I just walk? 866 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,240 Because it's a fucking game. I don't. 867 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,880 I don't. You hurt me. 868 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,440 You hurt me. People like you make my brain 869 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,160 bleed and it just it, it, it. It's insane to me that that is 870 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,280 the thought process that is a broken thought process in the 871 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,040 teach RPG space that has a lot of very, very broken thought 872 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,960 processes that make no fucking sense. 873 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,680 It is stupid, stupid discourse that has just been filtered and 874 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,240 telephoned into people's brains that make them ask stupid 875 00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:29,040 questions that don't matter because someone asked those 876 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,520 questions 20 years ago. The the people will go because 877 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,960 that's the fucking game. But here's the issue again, it 878 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,160 was a one shot. So this isn't just oh, we 879 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,320 decided tonight that we're not going to go to this town 880 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,600 tonight. We know you had it planned, but 881 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,720 we really wanted to go here and you're like, oh, on my hex map, 882 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,960 then we'll go there. If it's literally just a one 883 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,960 shot, you guys are all coming over just to play this one shot. 884 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,520 You know, that's what's prepped, yeah. 885 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,880 It's an insane decision. So I mean, my my players also 886 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,680 would only really like bypass anything if they knew there were 887 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,240 other things that they could do. You know, they kind of they want 888 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,880 to come to the table and do things. 889 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,120 So it was a really insane conversation is really insane 890 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,240 question. But like, unfortunately that's a 891 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,440 byproduct of the Internet is that we are able to all 892 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,680 interface with each other and a lot of people are incredibly 893 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,400 dumb or sometimes they just ask questions just to ask a 894 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,080 question. It's like, you know you come off 895 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,800 any more intelligent just because you're asking a 896 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,520 question. Like sea lioning trolling people 897 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,960 that think that being a piece of shit is a personality. 898 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,120 It's not, it's a flaw. You're broken, you're a broken 899 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,920 human. Realistically you're you're 900 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,400 taking up space that a better human could be taking up. 901 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,120 The sperm behind you should have won is realistically how I feel 902 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,520 about. It and obviously we're talking 903 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,560 about our close friend Chris Cox, the the CEO of Hasbro as 904 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,280 soon as. Yeah, you know it. 905 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,720 What else I had, I feel like I had another rant about 906 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,240 adventures that I was really going to go off. 907 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,520 Those are the 2 main ones though. 908 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,720 And, and, and yes, I, I personally, my thought are I 909 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,960 personally don't really like running adventures as written 910 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,280 often because unless I find something like Nate, whose style 911 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,920 of play really fits the way my brain works, then an adventure 912 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,920 could be really well written and have a lot of great stuff. 913 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,560 But I'm always going to tweak it a little bit to fit how my brain 914 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,720 works. I'm just going to like, you 915 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:17,720 know, bump it in here and there and get a lit right. 916 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,920 So I don't hate adventures. I just, I also though then at 917 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,800 that point can just here's location, here's NBC play, you 918 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:25,760 know what I mean? Like. 919 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,000 I agree. I mean, that's why I like a lot 920 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,240 of the mothership stuff, because that's how a lot of it's set up. 921 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,160 It's like, here's some locations, some stuff is 922 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,720 happening. You get interface with, there's 923 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,520 a few different factions that exist there. 924 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,120 And then they also sometimes will give you a timeline. 925 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,240 It's like, well, yeah, if you come back in like 3 weeks, 926 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,280 here's a couple things that might have changed so that the 927 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,840 location feels alive. That's great. 928 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,360 Like how your characters move through that, who they decide to 929 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,120 join up with or take on missions. 930 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,040 Like that's a, that's a like emergent narrative decision of 931 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,680 this of the players. Like, yeah, it's not because 932 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,080 there's like, here's the story for this adventure module. 933 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,600 Yeah. So, so, So what I'm saying is I 934 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,200 don't hate adventures. I do. 935 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,880 I will say I actively, vehemently hate the culture 936 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,240 around adventures, especially in the teacher RPG space. 937 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,600 And there are a number of people who are like, we need more 938 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,560 adventures. And it's like a write them B At 939 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,000 the end of the day, realistically, a lot of 940 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,480 adventures are bad. And well, I think there's a a 941 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,520 just like most of the teacher produced space. 942 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,920 There's 100 people saying the exact same thing 100 different 943 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,840 ways and arguing about who's right, right, even though 944 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,360 they're all saying the exact same fucking thing. 945 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,440 But because everyone uses different vocabulary, different, 946 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,880 different thought process, right? 947 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,800 They look at the same thing from this way versus this way, that 948 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,200 way versus that way. At the end of the day, it's are 949 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,440 people arguing, saying the exact same fucking thing, but they all 950 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,320 say it a little bit differently. So it's fucking stupid, right? 951 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,680 Like, but there's people that are just like, you know, fuck 952 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,000 systems. Adventure is the only thing that 953 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,040 matters. Like, and I will say this and I 954 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,800 will argue with anyone. Join our fucking discord. 955 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,240 You cannot have system matters. System matters. 956 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,280 System matters. And if you don't even get me 957 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,000 into my round, system matters. System matters because like not 958 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,000 in the GNS kind of fucking way, right? 959 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,960 Like we all know no, and here's a problem with system matters is 960 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,560 a discourse. I'll give 30 seconds for this, 961 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,200 right? There are basically three 962 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,000 schools of thought in my opinion, 3 reactions. 963 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,880 When you say system matters to people, there's people that 964 00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:31,800 actually understand the the context of that have have read 965 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,080 the source material on that, have read the discussions 966 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,040 throughout that and understand what I mean, what I mean when I 967 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,040 say system matters, right? They get the forge and GNS and, 968 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,240 and the rebuttals and, and broken brains and all the 969 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,400 reasons that Ron Edwards, a piece of shit, which did 970 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,960 basically destroyed the any conversation you had around 971 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,760 system matters, right? You have people that understand, 972 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,400 right. Then you have people that 973 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,200 started playing games in like 2020 that have no fucking clue 974 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,400 what system matters actually means that have no context for 975 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,800 what they're saying and are arguing about something that 976 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,880 they know nothing about. Right. 977 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:09,680 Or three. You get the people who this who 978 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:15,120 go system doesn't matter as like a fall over from all of the 979 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,240 people that were like rebutting against the Ron Redders GNS 980 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,160 stuff. And it's just now like basically 981 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,520 like a moral ground that they're taking. 982 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,480 The system doesn't matter because fuck Ron Edwards like, 983 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,920 which is a just a stupid, stupid take. 984 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,120 It's a stupid fucking take if your entire thought process on 985 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,760 this conversation is just, well, he was shitty and I don't want 986 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,480 to be associated with someone shitty, so I'm going to say it 987 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,000 doesn't matter. Of course it matters. 988 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,400 My point saying that though, is that you can't have adventure 989 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,880 without system. Like, you literally can't. 990 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,120 Yeah, you can have system without adventure. 991 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:47,640 You can't have adventure without system. 992 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,480 And my point is in a very specific way, right as soon as 993 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,200 you start interacting with the adventure and you need any type 994 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,520 of resolution that is system. Yeah. 995 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,440 Right. I agree that is system. 996 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,320 The system is only the resolution and decision making 997 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,720 mechanics for what you're doing. There you go, and that's all I'm 998 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:14,800 saying. But my point with adventure is 999 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,000 the definition of adventure I think is so broad that when 1000 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,080 people say we need more adventures I would love to know 1001 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,880 what the fuck you mean. Right. 1002 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,720 Because adventure to me is some locations and some NPCS with 1003 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,040 some vibes on it. Give me that. 1004 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,680 That's all I fucking want. Is adventure to you, a mass 1005 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,040 fucking narrative campaign. Like what is adventure? 1006 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,360 Because I don't want your story, I want locations. 1007 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,120 Do you think adventure means a couple of maybe tide locations 1008 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,480 with some NPCS, maybe a map, like a general overall thing? 1009 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,280 Like what? What is adventure? 1010 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:51,880 Right. And this is this is a rhetorical 1011 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,080 question, but like, that's my. Point and some people say things 1012 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,840 at the table guys. Thank you. 1013 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,520 Well, no play is what happens at the table. 1014 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,000 But I'm so I'm parroting that statement, yeah. 1015 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:07,920 So my, my point is saying system matters is, is basically fucking 1016 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,800 stupid because again, you're going to have 66% of the people 1017 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,360 out there that have no fucking clue what you're saying or 1018 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,200 disagreeing on it and for, for whatever. 1019 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,320 But saying you need more adventures is just as fucking 1020 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,080 pointless because what do you mean? 1021 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,640 That's like saying that something's OSR. 1022 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,640 It's 2025. What the fuck are you talking 1023 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,800 about? Like, stop using these 1024 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,000 individual words that are interpreted in 100 different 1025 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,360 ways by 1000 different people and say what you want if you 1026 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,960 want. If you need more adventures, 1027 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:45,320 describe what you mean, right? Like, and that's my thoughts on 1028 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,320 adventures is I don't want most of your adventures. 1029 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,760 Just give me cool story. Just give me cool locations, 1030 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,440 cool NPCS, some cool loot with some vibes, maybe some stuff 1031 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,400 that links up like the skeleton room. 1032 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,320 Like one thing that Nate does a lot is like he leaves little 1033 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,560 teasers around the entire dungeon where like, oh, this 1034 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,760 dude is purple because of this stuff over here. 1035 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,400 And that's the head that they're playing soccer with of that guy 1036 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,080 over there. Like you're just like, oh shit, 1037 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,120 this is from that other place. I love that. 1038 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,320 That's as much as I want, right? I don't want. 1039 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,840 You're not just. Writing these statues in each 1040 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,560 room are important to this last door in the room. 1041 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,840 I just think there's, I just think there's a lot of people 1042 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,680 that should just be writing short stories and Larping, you 1043 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,880 know, instead of playing tiptop role-playing games. 1044 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,760 Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I 1045 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,920 understand the necessity of like using these terms that can be 1046 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,400 interpreted very differently, like adventure or OSR or 1047 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,840 whatever because they are like in the space they are marketing 1048 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,040 terms, right. Like I see that the something is 1049 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,560 an adventure. I have a rough idea of what that 1050 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:56,480 thing is, you know? Yeah, I mean, adventure could be 1051 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,080 several different things. It can span several different 1052 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,400 amounts of time of play. But yeah, more, you know, 1053 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,200 circling all the way back. I if you were looking for a one 1054 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,920 shot dungeon that can turn nicely into what? 1055 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,360 Are you trying to end the episode? 1056 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,280 No, I'm just circling back. Oh OK because I you got I need a 1057 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,960 rant from you buddy. Like what are we doing? 1058 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,440 I have no rants about this. I feel great. 1059 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,560 I'm having a great time. I I don't have any strong rants 1060 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,760 right now, but yeah, I you know, well, you owe me a rant about. 1061 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,560 Anything you know, just throw some passion. 1062 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:37,160 Sorry you're the rant guy. I'm the I'm the Funny 1 so. 1063 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,080 Yeah, I mean, that kind of is. I'm the edge Lord piece of. 1064 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,640 Shit, that's exactly what it is and you never realized that 1065 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,360 that's that's what this is. That's what this means the whole 1066 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,960 time for like 3-3 something years. 1067 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,720 You know, you're the guy with the great hair. 1068 00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:54,640 I'm the bald you. Know great hair, dude, I'm 1069 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,080 catch. I'll be catching you sooner than 1070 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,800 later, buddy. This, this thing keeps pushing 1071 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,960 back and back. But you know what's fucking 1072 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,080 funny My hair is just my hair. It's always just my hair to me 1073 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,080 when I ran into Logan Dean at Gencon, I was like, I had a mask 1074 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,240 on. So I totally get that. 1075 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,240 But I was like, bro, when you come on the show again and he 1076 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,040 was like, and because he had already induced himself to me 1077 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,360 because I was like, Oh, Ryan, he's like, oh, Logan Dean, I'm 1078 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,760 like, cool, has no idea who I am. 1079 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,480 So then I was like, Oh, so when you come on the show again, he's 1080 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,920 like, and I pulled my mask out and he was like, and I took my 1081 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,480 hat off and he was like, oh, dude. 1082 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,560 And he was like, I didn't notice we got the swoop hair. 1083 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,400 And I'm like, I didn't know that swoopy hair was a thing that I, 1084 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,480 I did not know that that was the thing Richard said, I'm like, 1085 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,840 bro Richard, like Richard Roon, am I even known for swoopy hair? 1086 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,760 And he was like, yeah, I was like, I literally could not, I 1087 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,280 got it. Apparently my hair is a brand, 1088 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,600 which makes no fucking sense to me because it's just hair. 1089 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,120 But I did not know that that was the thing I was known for. 1090 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,840 I thought it was just being like a, a, an extra piece of shit and 1091 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:59,920 that that was my thing. But anyway, so Nate's dungeons 1092 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:06,880 and why I like Nate's adventures is because they they are written 1093 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,480 the way my brain works and I like them. 1094 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,880 Yeah, very fair. I like them because there's a 1095 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,560 lot of narrative gaps that I can fill, you know? 1096 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,000 But there's so much. But between that, like in in the 1097 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,600 spaces where there is stuff, that stuff is always so clever 1098 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,800 and good and funny. Like every adventure you read, 1099 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,440 there's some part of you just go. 1100 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,040 Yeah, I always chuckle at something, you know? 1101 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,760 Fuck you me Castle, but but yeah, we. 1102 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,360 Keep saying this, I might even read the chat right now, but. 1103 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,480 Yeah, I mean, you're rocking on me Castle shirt right now, but 1104 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,480 every time Christian ends up jumping in the chat, I'm always 1105 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,360 like, bro, you should just been on for this episode, you know, 1106 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,840 just like come on and and and done this. 1107 00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,200 We've been talking about that a lot though, and we've said just 1108 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,960 so, just so people out there know that our first guest for a 1109 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,560 third person discussion or third person. 1110 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,160 Interview with an episode. Yeah, our first threesome would 1111 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,880 be with, with Christian, with, with, with Meet Castle. 1112 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,320 So expect them on the show at some point. 1113 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,080 We'll we'll wrangle them. They've been on the show before, 1114 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,480 but not a while, No. They've been on the show with 1115 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,080 you playing games, right? But they've only done a review 1116 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:28,960 because we ran Matt Morris, ran a weekly scroll and share with 1117 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,400 the three of us, correct? Is that a memory you have? 1118 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,200 That's not a memory I have. There's like a turtle like they 1119 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,080 literally wrote the adventure with like with weekly scroll 1120 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,760 like hints in it and shit. I had does sound vaguely 1121 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,120 familiar, but you know me. There was like we blew up like a 1122 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,680 cave full of bats at the end. I do vaguely remember this 1123 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,600 actually, but OK, I'm not trying not to like, sum it up right 1124 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,120 now. Hold on. 1125 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,920 I got to see the, I got to see the thumbnail for it, and I'll 1126 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:03,440 know it immediately. All right, well, while you look 1127 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,120 that up, I'm ranted out and you've been tired this entire 1128 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,920 time. So I think that's going to wrap 1129 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,920 our episode for today. This was just discussion. 1130 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,760 Honestly, this was this was a vehicle for me to get some rants 1131 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,920 out, but also we finally talked about an adventure on the game 1132 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,040 and this was a great one. I love Barrel the Elf King. 1133 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,120 It's free on Nate's itch page, $5. 1134 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,400 If you want the PDF version you can just run it off the HTML. 1135 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,480 Highly recommended for a great level 1 adventure. 1136 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,040 Again, Cairn bastards vanilla game. 1137 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,160 Any light kind of dungeon ish game you want to run. 1138 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,760 It's super easy to stat for and and just really interesting. 1139 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:45,000 Has a great mix of role play opportunities mixed with some 1140 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,000 really fun interesting combat and puzzles. 1141 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,240 So it's fun. You should you should definitely 1142 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,080 go snag it and pay the $5 and print it out and and run it so. 1143 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:56,160 Absolutely. What? 1144 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,680 Were you looking at? I found it. 1145 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,440 What is it? The Lola Peuche episode. 1146 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,520 Yeah, what was the actual adventure called? 1147 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,480 Aisle at the edge of the horizon. 1148 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,040 There it is. There it is. 1149 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,400 Is from Man of Dawn, Matt Morris. 1150 01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,120 Who who who will be coming on the show sooner than later for 1151 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,360 Mouse Rider Month coming up in November. 1152 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,320 Yeah, definitely going to have them on to run some stuff. 1153 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,200 Maybe they can convince Andre and Isaac. 1154 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,840 We've had Andre on the show before, but Isaac Williams would 1155 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,840 be a great guest to come on to talk to our master month that. 1156 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,800 Would be very cool. Yeah, we'll have to. 1157 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,680 We'll have to talk about that. But we're we're just going to 1158 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,640 rambling here at the end. We're going to wrap the episode. 1159 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,400 I don't know. So tomorrow, are we actually 1160 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,840 hopping on tomorrow? Yes, I mean I built the board, 1161 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,480 so sure hope we are. Tomorrow, as I said, we were 1162 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,360 going to do an Acropolis, but we're going to do mech 28 from 1163 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,440 Berserker works. Find them on Instagram. 1164 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,680 I think is what they primarily use. 1165 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,480 Berserker works. You can grab mech 28 off their 1166 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,080 itch page. I do believe it's free. 1167 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,440 It's just a text file. It slaps. 1168 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,720 It's a, it's a, it's a rules light mech game with small, 1169 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,040 small group of people. It's like a small band, Yeah. 1170 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,720 It's yeah, each, yeah, each person gets like 3 or 4 Max 1171 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,000 thing on the map. Yeah, it's cool. 1172 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:19,440 Yeah, so we'll play that tomorrow. 1173 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,640 Tomorrow probably be like just an intro episode into like the 1174 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,160 rules, maybe screw around with it a little bit. 1175 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,920 And then probably the following week we'll we'll really get 1176 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,320 ready. To I made like an interesting 1177 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,200 kind of non traditional from what I think people would make 1178 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,200 map. It's a very choked city and I 1179 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,600 put in some like little spaces for next to hide behind 1180 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,640 buildings and to cut through streets. 1181 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,400 So yeah, I think it would be cool. 1182 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,080 Cool. All right, so we'll so check us 1183 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,720 tomorrow and and I've decided to we originally said that with the 1184 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,200 not weekly war games, it doesn't go on, it doesn't go on podcast, 1185 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,480 it doesn't go on YouTube or anything. 1186 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,440 So if you're not there, you don't get to see it. 1187 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,000 But what we decided to do is start leaving them up on the 1188 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,280 Twitch page. I think the Twitch Vods, I don't 1189 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,240 think I'll start highlighting them maybe, but the twitch vibes 1190 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,240 last about two weeks before twitch auto deletes them. 1191 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,320 So if you want to watch not weekly war games, just catch it 1192 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:26,280 on the catch it on the twitch on the twitch when sometime that's 1193 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,000 it. We're both tired. 1194 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,760 We will see you all tomorrow if you decide to come on and and I 1195 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,160 think Monday we have a guest coming on. 1196 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,760 Cool. I don't know. 1197 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,520 I don't remember. Is it who I think it is? 1198 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:40,640 I know. Yeah. 1199 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,560 Let's, let's say it now because I want this episode out before 1200 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:43,440 Monday so people know. OK, cool. 1201 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,960 We're going to be talking to. Yes. 1202 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,640 Kobayashi Baby. Oh yeah, Cool. 1203 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,640 Fuck yeah, very. Very excited to talk to 1204 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:56,800 Kobayashi. If you don't know, you'll know. 1205 01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:58,160 We'll see you then. I.