1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,760 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,840 My name is Ryan. I'm a little sleepy guy. 3 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,960 And I'm guest Jarrett Crater. Jarrett Crater. 4 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:34,320 And if jerk's here? All right. 5 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,840 And if dirt's here, you know it is not cat chats. 6 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,440 I think we're in double digits now. 7 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,880 I think we're on 10 or 11. So how's it going? 8 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,120 How's it going, Dirt? Doing all right. 9 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,280 It's it's a Sunday morning in South Florida, which means it's 10 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,080 muggy. Yeah. 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,280 While the rest of the country is getting destroyed by severe 12 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,720 weather. We're in a fog bank down here. 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,160 No, it's just rainy here. I'm in the, I'm in the Pacific 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,720 Northwest, so it's always rainy. So we're doing the regular 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,760 thing, so. I have no idea what the outside 16 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,000 is like. And, you know, listeners at 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,600 home, if you're like, why does Ryan sound like that? 18 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,960 It's because Ryan has been. Sexy. 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,280 Has been dealing with the flu, so if you're like Ryan sure does 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,120 sound different today. That is the reason. 21 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,640 I've been I've I've I've, I think this is The funny thing 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,760 that I've always told people because people are always like, 23 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,720 Oh, I had the flu or this or that. 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,920 I'm like, no, you didn't. No, you didn't, because people 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,200 were like, I'm not sure if I had the flu. 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,240 I'm like, well, then you fuck it didn't If you ever really get 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,880 the flu, especially if you get flu a luckily I only got flu 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,080 beat. You know it. 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,560 I definitely know I had it for the best week and I'm so feeling 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,000 it pretty hard here and my throat has been pretty raw. 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,400 But but we're doing the thing we're we're we're here talking 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,600 with Jert and doing what we normally do on not cat chats, 33 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,960 which is bullshit about some shit for for who knows how long 34 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,759 and then eventually talking about stuff. 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,800 But how? Sexy Ryan. 36 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,640 Dude, if my voice, I don't like this all the time, I'd be so 37 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:15,000 happy. I'm like, can I just get a 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,880 little bit of corpse husband without the GERD? 39 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,320 You know, like just give me a flu voice and and, and I'll be 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,040 happy with it. This is the only way I'll get 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,160 myself to stop yelling for the entire podcast is to just make 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,320 it hurt all the time to talk. How the hell are you, man? 43 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,440 I'm. Doing all right, getting ready 44 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,160 to go to Gary Con next week. So I'm in I'm in pre con hump 45 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,600 mode. I'm in the Sunday before, which 46 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,800 is today. It is pack up all my gear. 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:50,160 So it's open to big R2D2 suitcase and fill out put all of 48 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,680 the stuff, the perishables and stuff like that that need to go 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,200 in there this year. I am I have sworn I'm not 50 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,200 mulling anything there or back. The only thing I'm taking well, 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,080 I mean, I'll probably bring something back. 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,720 My, my thing when I go to conventions is I always seek out 53 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:15,760 the place that has the old stuff, like really used and you 54 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,600 know, like the orphans that no one wants. 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,480 And I buy a board game of some sort. 56 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,640 So I've got like Baseball 1812, which is a simulator for 57 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:31,280 baseball as it was in the dead ball era in the 1800s. 58 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,120 I've got championship football, which has like a spinner 59 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,640 mechanic and a tracker for your scores and things like that. 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,680 I've got a tennis game. I've got ACB Truckers game. 61 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,800 I've got this really great one called Predator, the food chain 62 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,160 game that I will actually take with me this year because it's 63 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,200 turned into one of those go to convention games for us. 64 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,960 You have these big old flash cards and they have a an animal 65 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,200 on them and then and they have what that animal eats and what 66 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,000 that animal's eaten by. And it's a variation of Go Fish 67 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,160 that you go around the table and there's like a challenge mode 68 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,560 and you try to be the person at the end of the 30 minutes. 69 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,519 It's a time game, which makes it really nice for conventions 70 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:23,000 because if you can just get everybody's attention for 30 71 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,200 minutes, you've got a good game going on. 72 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,880 And then it's so it's a race to for to see your memory. 73 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,760 So it's kind of part concentration and part go fish 74 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,240 and you're trying to remember what cards people have. 75 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:42,120 And then you can do these big long chains where you can like, 76 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:47,080 have the bear can eat the are the, you can have the deer can 77 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,520 eat the fruits and berries, and then the bear can eat the deer, 78 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,920 and then death and decay can eat the bear. 79 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,920 It just goes up the Whole Foods. Yeah, it's really nice. 80 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,120 It's published by Ampersand Games. 81 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,720 And I think they're still around. 82 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,280 And at some point the game's in the other room. 83 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,760 I wish I had brought it in here so I could show you the box. 84 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,760 But it's this really cool, almost Art Deco yellow box, like 85 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,600 really hideous looking with the kind of screened on there, this 86 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,880 cheetah or leopard or, you know, animal of like cat, like animal 87 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,840 of prey about to take down some prey in like green and red. 88 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,120 It's really, really pretty and that box is pretty fun. 89 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,240 I've actually since then purchased another version of 90 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,160 Predator that has a photograph of a bear on it. 91 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,920 So I'm I'm trying to collect all the iterations of predator that 92 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,160 I can find if I find. But that's what I do when I go 93 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,400 to conventions is I find random stuff like that, like not even 94 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,120 necessarily hard to find, just something that the game stores 95 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,520 happened to have brought and that it's just going to sit 96 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,040 there all weekend. And I buy it on when Thursday, 97 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,200 first day of the show. And then we just play the shit 98 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,280 out of it the rest of the convention if we can. 99 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,400 That's probably a great time. Yeah, Predator is really, really 100 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,120 fun. One of these days, maybe we'll 101 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,880 do a revision of it if they will let me license it out. 102 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,560 And we're going to do all like, fantasy monsters. 103 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,080 Cool. So. 104 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:24,440 I'd be sick. I just I I think that you 105 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,440 actually showed me this before I know we were talking. 106 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,360 I think I just threw it up on the on the display there. 107 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,120 The this one. I'll throw it in chat to make 108 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,640 sure it's the one that you're talking about. 109 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,400 But that's a dope box too. Yeah, I have that box. 110 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,400 It's. Really pretty. 111 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,360 And that's what attracted me to it because it had, it had a 112 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,480 whopping $10 price tag on it too, which is the best thing. 113 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,840 I mean, that's, yeah. My God, you almost have to just 114 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,720 see a cool like game box and it says $10. 115 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,760 I I don't know if I could ever walk away from that. 116 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,680 No, so aside from things like that, like I, I find those 117 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 sports games that no one wants and things like that, I get them 118 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,960 for like 10 or 12 bucks. I got one called Dungeon Dice a 119 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:14,760 couple years ago at packs, which the the goal of it is to roll 120 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,200 dice and dig your way out of the dungeon. 121 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,560 And so you do like sets of there's like specialty dice that 122 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,080 have like little icons on them and your goal is to roll pears 123 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,960 so that you can actually build your tunnel out. 124 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,880 But then there's also like the guards that can get you and stop 125 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,360 you and take your part of the tunnel out. 126 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,080 And it had this really cool like Poly molded dice rolling area in 127 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,840 the middle. And then the board is these 4L 128 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,120 shaped sections or V shaped sections that go around it and 129 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,000 attach to the to the little plastic thing in the middle. 130 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,880 Again, just wanted, I think that was a Parker brothers. 131 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,320 I'll look it up. Parker Brothers Touching Dice I. 132 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,280 Think I found the one with the the bear photo on it too. 133 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,240 I got to say the bear one is cool, but that yellow box? 134 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,480 The yellow box is just so good, isn't? 135 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,440 It, it's it, it pops so nice. It's really good. 136 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:22,360 Yeah. Yeah, it's just, but it's, it's, 137 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,360 it's kind of con season now, isn't it? 138 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,720 There's like a bajillion con everyone keeps talking about 139 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,280 like I don't break out and I don't know what depticon is this 140 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,720 month and this is just a lot of cons happening. 141 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,200 Yeah, a lot of cons happened in the early spring and then go 142 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,640 throughout the summer. There's still a few in the in 143 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,080 the late fall and winter, like packed since is in December and 144 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,200 stuff like that. But yeah, it's tis the season of 145 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,560 the convention, so I'm super stoked. 146 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:55,720 I like, I like going to like Geneva. 147 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,680 I like going to this show in particular because I get to see 148 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,280 the people that I play DCC with on the Wednesday nights and the 149 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:07,240 weekends and stuff like that, like Doug and Mez and Clea, Tom 150 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,960 Stefan, which is really cool. So it's nice like a once a year, 151 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,040 most of us are there, which is really cool. 152 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,000 It's expensive, like the food is expensive, but the food's 153 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,480 actually pretty good. So it's not horrible for you. 154 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,960 And we go to this pizzeria called Next Door Pub and 155 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,640 Pizzeria, but we've nicknamed it Nice Guy. 156 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,800 Well, Doug nicknamed it Nice Guy Murder Pub, so we always refer 157 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,360 to it as Nice Guy Murder Pub. So we go to Nice Guy Murder Pub 158 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,240 once a once a year as well and have like sandwiches and brats 159 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,160 and shit like that. Because when you're in 160 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,560 Wisconsin, you got to have the brats. 161 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,240 Wait why? Why are y'all do y'all call it 162 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,000 nice guy murder bar? That's the way Doug Kovac's 163 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,120 brain works. He just sees something and just 164 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,240 calls it something else. He couldn't remember Next door 165 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,960 pub and pizzeria so I got nicknamed Nice Guy Murder Pub. 166 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,680 Cool, cool, cool. So what's coming out? 167 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:10,960 What's so? What's coming? 168 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,160 The new release, the new release this this week that for those 169 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,960 listening at home, I sent late in the mail so it didn't get out 170 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,600 is playthings by Seth Ian for liminal horror. 171 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:31,840 It is a is it funnel. Essentially, you can use it to 172 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:37,080 intro new characters or you can use it as a resonant artifact 173 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,800 characters find and slot them in there. 174 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:47,120 But spoilers, people wake up in a world where they are all toys. 175 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:53,960 So we are either AGI Joe or a Barbie or Legos, Lego bricks and 176 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,600 things like that. It's got a bunch of really cool 177 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,560 collage art that Seth did for it as well. 178 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,400 But I really, really dig and and super. 179 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,320 It's nice, nice slim little volume. 180 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,160 It's got all your encounters. It's got a pretty extensive 181 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,120 bestiary. I don't want to give too much 182 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,200 away for it, but it's it's a nice, nice little one for 183 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,800 liminal horror. The first third party stuff that 184 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,000 we publish, we do publish the first party rental horror, of 185 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,320 course, so. Well that sounds really cool. 186 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,040 I'd love AI, love a funnel adventure, but the necessary Toy 187 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,160 Story Corps funnel adventure. I love that. 188 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,520 There's you're not actually like toys in it, but what's what 189 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:43,360 what's the movie about toys? That's like really fucking dark. 190 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,320 I never remember what it's called like the toys are like 191 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,040 killing people and stuff. I don't know if maybe like you 192 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,040 mean the. Puppet Master. 193 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:53,240 No, no, like I think there's like. 194 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:55,800 Those are classic films though. By the way, I could talk about 195 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Puppet Master films all day. If you guys want to talk about 196 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,240 the Puppet Master films, I'm a big big fan of of Full Moon 197 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,080 Entertainment. The one was was puppet master 198 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,480 the moment like you could no, that was, I was going to say 199 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,760 wishmasters when I was like was puppet master where you get a 200 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,000 wish? No, that's Wishmaster. 201 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:14,040 That's actually actually Wishmaster so. 202 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,680 Yeah, where like you wish, but it gives you like the worst 203 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:20,040 possible way that your wish could be like construed, which 204 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,800 is awesome. No, there's a, it's, I feel like 205 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,600 it's a really, it's a really dark like adult. 206 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,360 It's like toy world or something because the toys are like 207 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,520 killing people or something. And I don't ever, I feel like 208 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,640 it's, it's one of those things I feel like was a fever dream when 209 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,120 I was younger and now I can't remember it. 210 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,640 Maybe. Maybe you made it up. 211 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,920 Maybe you saw soldiers. Maybe you? 212 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,640 No, it's first of all small soldiers Fox, that movie is. 213 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Great, actually so. Never seen it, Should I add 214 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,040 small soldiers to the list? I've never seen small soldiers. 215 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,320 I've. Never seen small soldiers. 216 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,680 Like night late 90s movie, like family. 217 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,280 Bro it's like so woke too. Like the crowd now if that came 218 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,360 out now would freak the fuck out. 219 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:09,880 Basically there's like these like gung ho GI Joe type soldier 220 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,680 action figures, and then there's these like beast men that they 221 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:16,600 fight, but they like come alive and the beast men are just like 222 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,640 normal dudes that are just trying to exist. 223 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,800 And the soldiers are these like genocidal American soldiers 224 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,320 trying to like kill everything and then they go on this fucking 225 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,200 rampage. It's amazing, bro. 226 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,360 It's it is, it's I remember like all the toys and remember when 227 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:38,640 like I don't know. I do. 228 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,680 I definitely remember specifically that. 229 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,640 Oh, there was a really, really fucking dark movie where like 230 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,720 like some of this person like program these toys to kill 231 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:55,120 people and stuff. Doesn't mean. 232 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:56,560 A battle for me. Me either. 233 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:58,840 So cool. Cool. 234 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:05,720 We looking forward to we just to play things. 235 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,560 Yeah, it sounds like fun. I'll just play things horror. 236 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,280 So it's going to be cool to have more. 237 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,120 I'm excited for like third party Luminal horror stuff coming up. 238 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,160 We're also like in like about a month, we're going to be 239 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,040 crowdfunding the Luminal Horror Deluxe edition, which is going 240 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,960 to be going out, which is pretty cool and exciting. 241 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,000 A nice hardback. It's going to match the size and 242 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,120 shape of the Parth and the genesis of Hungry Hollow. 243 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:32,680 Cool. Right here it's. 244 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:39,600 A great sized book. 6 by 9. Nice, nice, easy to read, opens 245 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,360 up and is compact. You know, I'm getting ready to 246 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,000 jump in the dives on those. We're, we're projecting 247 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,880 somewhere, somewhere over somewhere around 200 pages for 248 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,680 it right now. So it's going to have a lot of 249 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:01,120 good advice for the facilitator and it's going to have a lot of, 250 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,960 it's going to have, as with all crowdfunds, we're going to be 251 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,280 crowdfunding some extra content to go along with it that's been 252 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,080 written like extra adventures and things like that and samples 253 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,360 and stuff. So it's going to be pretty solid 254 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,280 and we're keeping it pretty tight as far as like the 255 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:24,200 physical aspect, we're trying to keep it low and like low volume 256 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,560 or not low volume, but low, low stress on the creation. 257 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,480 So trying to keep it mostly books because we all know that 258 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,120 shipping things is kind of a nightmare right now. 259 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,920 I've got folks in Canada who are asking me every day like to 260 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,120 figure out if they, you know, how we're shipping Karen to 261 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,240 Canada And we're like, we're using FedEx like it's the best, 262 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,680 the best we can do right now. So, but it's in, it's 263 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,320 interesting shipping things in international waters. 264 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,280 The last thing I figured would be a problem would be Canada 265 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,080 because we shipped to Canada all the time. 266 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,200 But now we don't know if our packages are going to get 267 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,880 through how tagged on the tariffs and things like that. 268 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,080 There's a chance that books are just going to go through no 269 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,760 problem. So we don't know. 270 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,680 But so this is kind of going to be our test case on that. 271 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,200 Things in the US aren't going well right now, yeah. 272 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:27,440 Let's just not go there, right? I brought it up, sorry. 273 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,120 To to break that for a second, the movie is just called Toys 274 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,680 with Robin Williams. Oh, you know that. 275 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:42,880 I know the guy who I know a guy. He's past now, but back when I 276 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:48,600 worked at a bar, well one of many bars, this guy named Ed was 277 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,480 the production designer on that. And they were actually nominated 278 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,520 for an Academy Award or maybe they won an Academy Award. 279 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,400 He was also, he was also a production designer on Scarface 280 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,520 too, But he he was super regular. 281 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,560 When he passed away, we renamed the IPA that he drank all the 282 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,240 time, Ed's IPA, because that's what he drank. 283 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:21,480 And yeah, when he was a he was a pretty cool guy. 284 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,200 He always would get those Oscar screeners for your 285 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,160 consideration. And this is before like mass 286 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,760 touring and downloading and things like that so we could 287 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:36,880 watch all of the all of the Oscar worthy pics. 288 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,320 We would have like night movie nights at the bar after we 289 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,360 closed and we would just sit up there and hook the VCR up to the 290 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:47,880 big TV's and then just play that, which would be pretty fun. 291 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,480 So got to see many films I wouldn't normally see, which was 292 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,160 nice. There you. 293 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,680 Go. Oh yeah, yeah. 294 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,240 Boys, Yeah. Robin Williams, You know, and 295 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,080 honestly, I've never seen that film and I should so. 296 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,520 Yeah, I mean it, it bombed. And I remember watching it and 297 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,760 thinking it was like weird, like it's OK. 298 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,440 Like it's not one of those movies that's like so weird. 299 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,480 It's like becomes a cult classic later. 300 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,320 Like it definitely kind of has a little bit of that cult classic 301 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,640 status. But you're going to watch it and 302 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,440 just be like, huh, that was just weird. 303 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,240 It's got LL Cool J in it. So if you're going to get LL 304 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,760 Cool J in the 90s fan. Yeah, there you go. 305 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,640 But anyway the the deluxe edition. 306 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,440 Yeah. Oh, I was going to give a small 307 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,280 update on Karen. Karen, shipping is proceeding at 308 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,440 pace. Most of the EU orders have gone 309 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,880 out. The UK orders are going out at 310 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,800 pace and the US orders are going out at pace. 311 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,680 So which is which is pretty fun. Yeah, it's it's a lot to chew on 312 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,200 and it could be overwhelming, but we broke it down. 313 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,480 We did like you do with all problems, you break it down into 314 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,360 smaller bits. And so we broke this down into a 315 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,880 bits and we're doing a certain amount per day. 316 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,240 Then we're going to get done and it's going to be nice. 317 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,960 As opposed to trying to get so many out a day and wearing 318 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:14,120 ourselves out and just being exhausted from that. 319 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:17,440 And then trying to keep up with the daily customer service and 320 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,600 stuff like that to make sure that folks are getting the right 321 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,560 books and getting their questions answered and things 322 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,680 like that. So yeah, Karen's, Karen's coming 323 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:31,120 through nice. But yeah, Liminal Horror Deluxe, 324 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,120 it's going to be, it's going to be a good one. 325 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,840 It's going to have all the stuff from investigators. 326 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,120 So it's going to be you're going to be investigators is going to 327 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:46,320 be Evergreen, where the goal is to make the well, to make the 328 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,200 deluxe edition be the one that the facilitator buys and reads 329 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,880 and runs out of. Obviously anybody could read and 330 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,640 run out of it. It's just a book, but then 331 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,320 you'll pick up extra copies of investigators to hand to the 332 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,400 players. So now we have the the double 333 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,960 the double whammy of making sure that all the information is 334 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,200 stated the same way or stated with the scientists as is 335 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,600 investigators and stuff. Or if we make any changes, then 336 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,920 we need to tweak investigators a little bit to make it match up. 337 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,640 Because it's the goal is we want people to pick up and be like, 338 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,280 cool, let's run a modern horror game and one person who's going 339 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,160 to facilitate picks up the big book and then he gets copies. 340 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,240 So they get copies of the smaller book to hand out to 341 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,440 players so players can kind of know the lay of the land and how 342 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,680 everything goes. It's really, that's what we did 343 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,240 with Karen. You know, there's the Warden's 344 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,360 Guide and then you get three extra 3 total copies in the box 345 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,200 set of the players guide so that you can hand them out so that 346 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,080 it's just easier to play. That's always a rough thing. 347 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,400 Like making player facing documents is really super good 348 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,120 and super fun. I'm getting ready to run because 349 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:56,680 we talked about last time Snake Wolf and I'm getting ready to 350 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,440 run. Starting this summer I'm going 351 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:03,400 to have an open table campaign of all things Snake Wolf, which 352 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,240 is going to be pretty fun. But I got Sean's permission to 353 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,000 make just a player facing packet that has all the level 0 354 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,920 occupations and the lucky stars and desires and stuff like that 355 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,800 to help with role-playing prompts. 356 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:19,400 So it's, it's just like 6 or 8 pages of the of the book. 357 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,040 But instead of making everyone buy a $75 book, which everyone 358 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,720 should buy this cycle of Snake Wolf because it's fucking well 359 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,640 worth it. It's fucking amazing. 360 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,240 They just get this little PDF that just has all this basic 361 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,560 stuff that they need and it's really solid because it leads 362 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,160 into where I want to go with a lot of the products. 363 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,080 We're with a lot of the adventures and that's the same. 364 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,960 That's the thing that I'm seeing more and more and and rule 365 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,320 systems is people filtering in and adding in their little bits 366 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,360 of their mythos and their character creation sections, 367 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:59,000 which is I. Do love that I love when the 368 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,240 lore is cooked into just even reading through the rules. 369 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,760 It's hard to do to, sorry. It's hard to do. 370 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,920 It's hard to do and make it not overbearing and make it not 371 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,600 where you flood people and make it make it not where you have to 372 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,360 flood the DM so that they have to have this huge document of 373 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:20,760 back story that they have to read off and preface everybody 374 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,680 with before you can just get going into the story or 375 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,160 whatever. Indentured because the game is 376 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,920 what happens at the table. You know, the game is not in the 377 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,600 book. The game is what happens at the 378 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,280 table. You can have, you can have 379 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,840 plans, plans, plans out the wazoo. 380 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,640 And if you can't actually, if you're not actually reacting to 381 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,800 what the players are doing, then you, then what's the point? 382 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,600 That's how I feel. Yeah, makes a lot of sense. 383 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,280 I am. I'm really excited for my 4th 384 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,960 copy of Liminal Horror though, so at my table it will be me 385 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,120 having the docs one, then me handing out my other copies. 386 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,840 Nice to the other players so. Nice. 387 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,840 And you guys have run LH on the show before, right? 388 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,600 We have, yeah. Absolutely. 389 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:10,120 I, I just, I just saw a goblin archives just put up a new, a 390 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:16,840 new page of all the APS that have been run and I, I, I, I 391 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,040 jumped in that and remind that we've done it quite a few times. 392 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Actually, we did the we did the bloom and then we did 2 episodes 393 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,320 for like the shelter would in crossover with Triangle agency 394 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,120 and and whatnot. So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, it's 395 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,240 it's been great every time because Josh is has run it for 396 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,040 us. A bunch of Josh's fantastic GM 397 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,320 and obviously one of the current creators of the game. 398 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,800 So it is cool to really get the feel of the game from the person 399 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,400 who who who who does it. So aluminum horror is fantastic. 400 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,960 They it's growing. It's one of our good study 401 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,680 sellers which makes me very happy. 402 00:23:55,040 --> 00:24:00,400 Makes sense, it's a great game. Yeah, yeah, I'm I the the cover 403 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,800 looks great, but the limited edition just like that I cover 404 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,720 that Zach drops a while ago looks so fantastic. 405 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,120 I obviously I'm going to get whatever the biggest tier is for 406 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,920 this, right, because that's me. But I'm I'm very excited for 407 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,240 that. And also just the call the call 408 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,280 back to the original cover art on both the deluxe cover and the 409 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,080 regular one and the limited edition cover with like the eye 410 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,480 creature thing, kind of like coming down the hallway is such 411 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,280 a good, fantastic through line for just the the vibe and the 412 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,600 and the art of the book too. Visual identity. 413 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,400 Keep it all together. Yeah, so it's so good. 414 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,240 It's so creepy and fucking good. I'm. 415 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,040 Super excited to bring that one to life. 416 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,200 To so so playthings is the new release from Seth coming out now 417 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,640 And and we were talking about deluxe edition. 418 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,880 I know with, you know, obviously forbidden Psalm, you get a ton 419 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,320 of forbidden Psalm with space Penguin and obviously a lot of 420 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,120 mothership stuff too. But I mean, it's been a while 421 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,960 since I think you've did like a big burst of mothership stuff. 422 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,600 Is there a expectation of more like third party liminal horror 423 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,960 stuff like like Sean, like Seth Sings coming out? 424 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,840 Like do you have like a docket of more third party stuff 425 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,280 planned with the deluxe or is it just kind of like as people 426 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,920 approach it with things? It's just kind of as people 427 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,160 approach with things, a lot of folks are DIY ING it and, you 428 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,680 know, getting it done, which is great and things like that. 429 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,760 And there's a there's a slew of third party content for LH, 430 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,240 which is really great. But now I happen to work with 431 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,440 Seth on some other projects and he had this one and came up with 432 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,040 it and it was easy enough to get done up and within a certain 433 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,560 amount of time to get it on the release cycle schedule and 434 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,200 everything else like that. So that's the, the big, not 435 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,600 even, it's not even a secret, but we've got like a four month 436 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,880 cycle here for final production. So folks normally bring stuff in 437 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,200 a pretty ready form. And then we got to solicit it to 438 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,960 our distributors and make sure that they know that in four 439 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,040 months you'll be able to purchase this to resell to 440 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,000 stores and things like that. And then we've got, during that 441 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,520 four months, we've got, you know, time for a back and forth 442 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,080 clean up, editing pass proofreading, anything else like 443 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,720 that, any final tweaks, any art and stuff like that. 444 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,920 A barcode. I can't tell you the times I've 445 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,880 almost forgotten a barcode. You would, you would think that 446 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,560 you would not do that. Now I have like sticky notes 447 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,320 that say, you know, remember the barcode, which is kind of an 448 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,840 important thing to do. And then to actually get it 449 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,360 printed and make sure everything's good with the print 450 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,440 run. And then Debbie has to pack it 451 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,080 up and wrap it up. And then we got to send it out 452 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,480 to our distributors and to our, you know, Internet Internet web 453 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:58,360 store purchasers takes about four months for for on that side 454 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:03,160 of things, let alone the the time it takes to actually build 455 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,560 a thing before that. So. 456 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,120 Yeah. So if someone comes to you and 457 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,680 was like, it's like, Hey, Space Penguin, I have this thing 458 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,840 that's like 90% done. The the if you guys are like 459 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,880 this actually fits our thing, Sure, let's do this. 460 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,720 It's a bit like a four month turn around basically from from 461 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,920 when they when they touch base with you to to potentially 462 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,440 having it like out and about. Yeah, 4, four months for longer. 463 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,240 It really depends on the release schedule and what else we have. 464 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,560 Like I've got the next four months planned out thus far for 465 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,520 Zenes and things like that, and I'll be signing up the end of 466 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,240 the year, probably at Gary Connor the week after when I get 467 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,840 back and making sure all that stuff's going on. 468 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,720 So yeah, it's weird having things planned out that far in 469 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,680 advance, but it's how one makes it work, so. 470 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,680 Yeah, it's definitely, I mean, we we we planned out like half a 471 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,720 week before most of the time because it's a lot of time just 472 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,280 like, shit, what were we doing again this week? 473 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,600 And it's like, I don't know, we haven't picked it. 474 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,360 It's Tuesday. So four months would be a cool 475 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,640 thing out. I know we started the show. 476 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,640 I'm sorry. I know we started talking about 477 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:23,120 Gary Con a little bit. What what other cons that are 478 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,440 usually the big cons that you hit through the year, whether as 479 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,640 just a participant or as now you know, Space Penguin? 480 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,320 We go to Gen. Con every year because it's big 481 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040 and it's fun and you get to see the most people. 482 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,640 We go to Pax U, Pax Unplugged in Philly in December and then we 483 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:49,720 do a local to US, one called Quest Con Orlando and they're in 484 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,520 their fourth year. It's a small show. 485 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,440 It's growing every year. They're getting more, more of 486 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,200 the stuff that people want at cons, like more autograph booths 487 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,920 and, and big names. Like that's how you, you build 488 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,800 up a con, you bring in names around it and stuff like that. 489 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,400 And that Quest cons also attached to Crucible, which is a 490 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:19,320 big 40K skirmish tournament like Warhammer tournament and stuff 491 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,280 like that. So there's a lot of that that 492 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,800 goes on that weekend. So those are the four shows that 493 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:34,200 we hit and then I dearly I would love to it's someday my dream 494 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,120 con is it with if it ever just falls perfectly right, it kind 495 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,880 of falls sometimes on my birthday is to get the game hole 496 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,440 con, which is kind of the most northern one in Minneapolis. 497 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:53,200 I think it's in Minneapolis now. I say that and I have to look it 498 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,720 up. I don't know that one. 499 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,720 It's in Madison, WI See, I wasn't even in the right state. 500 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040 We go and we go to trade shows like ACD Games Day, which is 501 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,560 also in Madison. That's more to meet our 502 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,720 distributors. That's that's more work work 503 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,960 related than it is fun time. Chill out, enjoy stuff. 504 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,040 So, but The One Show that we table out is Quest Con Orlando. 505 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,160 It's just a matter of logistics and time and travel and, and 506 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,320 transporting the product and being able to get it there and 507 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,760 make it sense for you to have that booth all weekend as you're 508 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,880 selling stuff. So it's, it's a, it's a, it's a 509 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,480 weird, it's a weird business to be in on that side of things 510 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,000 because you have to have that con presence and you have to 511 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,360 have product at the shows if you can. 512 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,000 So you just do the best you can. We work out a lot of third party 513 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,400 deals with other places that are going to be there that will 514 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,080 carry certain products. We work with Gahina Gaming to 515 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,680 have like live role-playing, like actual sessions and stuff 516 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,640 like that. Like we've got four shows this 517 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,880 year that we're going to have, we're going to have like a total 518 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,080 of like 96 hours worth of liminal horror at some of these 519 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,680 shows. So that's going to be pretty 520 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,720 fun. Like run run by actual pro pro 521 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,960 DMS who are familiar with the product and I'm familiar with 522 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,200 the content and stuff like that, which is pretty great. 523 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,520 I'd love to GoPro as Adm, you know, I'd love to be a 524 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,600 professional. I only ever played this. 525 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,840 Yeah. You just, I mean, the, we know a 526 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,440 bunch of people that are professional gyms or people that 527 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,720 we're aware of, you know, just go to startplaying.com, whatever 528 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,320 and become a professional. A James does it, W Franks does 529 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,360 it. There's a bunch of people that 530 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,200 that do. I mean, I think Josh, Josh does 531 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,240 does it as well. Josh Domansky, if I'm not 532 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,840 mistaken. Yeah. 533 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,760 I'd pay him. Yeah. 534 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,480 You can do it. You can do it to like I did it 535 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,400 for several years for Goodman Games running DCC. 536 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,480 If you run 16 hours. I mean it depends on the 537 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,320 company, but back when I used to do it, it was run 16 hours. 538 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,040 So run 4/4 hour games. So run 1/4 hour game a day or 539 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,960 two 4 hour games on one day and then you know, 4 hour, 4 hour. 540 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,840 Give yourself a whole day of just not doing anything and they 541 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,400 cover your badge or part of your hotel room. 542 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,840 It just kind of depends, you know, each, every company is 543 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,240 different. So because you're giving your 544 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,800 time to do that and so you're getting reimbursed and and 545 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,640 expenses essentially. So, yeah. 546 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,360 Sounds cool, yeah. I really think I really want to 547 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,680 do PAX again this year. I know you guys said that you 548 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,720 guys are a maybe because of the whole marathon thing, but I 549 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,080 think if I do PAX again this year, I really want to probably 550 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,400 at least do Gen. Con and PAX next year. 551 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,120 A lot of people love Gary Conn though. 552 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,280 It's fun, it's a good show. It's smaller, you just go to get 553 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,400 your badge quick when they sell out. 554 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,320 And housing is always a struggle there because the hotel itself 555 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,120 is built, sells out pretty quickly. 556 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,960 Like this was the first year in eight years I managed to get a 557 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,400 room. So, but then I'm going to be, 558 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,760 I'm going to be bunking with the, with the DCC gang. 559 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,040 I actually traded my room off to somebody else. 560 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,360 So that was easy, which was good. 561 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,520 But getting like it's, it's a small show and it's kind of 562 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,320 growing and it's kind of outgrown that space a little bit 563 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,120 that it's in. It's really, really tight. 564 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,800 So, but there's not not really another place to do it. 565 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,240 So I'm sure that their board of directors like has to go through 566 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,000 this same story every year and figure it out, you know, but 567 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,800 they make it work. So, and the best part is, is you 568 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,360 get to do the jousting tournament, which is free and 569 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,239 you can actually just joust with people. 570 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,040 You got like little horses and then you move up and you joust 571 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,440 with people. It's pretty fun. 572 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,280 Like like actual little horses and actual jousting or is it 573 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,320 some type of like on a bike situation? 574 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,239 Like what do you? Mean no, it's like it's like on 575 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,199 a table. It's like, oh, there's an open 576 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,360 jousting tournament that runs all week using the OD and D or 577 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,080 chainmail. I don't even remember where 578 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,560 these jousting rules came from, but they're pretty fun. 579 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,800 I'm sure some eagle eyed listener would tell us where 580 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,920 eagle eared listener would tell us where those jousting rules 581 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,719 came from. One of the old books. 582 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,120 It's Gary Connor. I was going to say it's go. 583 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,440 It's probably assume it's probably OD and your chain. 584 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,600 What is it? Isn't just the the rules in OD 585 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,320 and D just chainmail combat rules anyway? 586 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,280 Sort of see, I'm now I'm now I'm talking out of my ass because I 587 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,560 don't know positively for sure. They're modified. 588 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,120 It's all modified. It's all, it's all thrown 589 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,400 together. It's all first to publish and 590 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,320 things like that. So. 591 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,400 We got to go over it at some point. 592 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,960 I know there's. I've never read chainmail so. 593 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,360 I haven't read all of it, you know, how have have you ever 594 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,240 read Delving Deeper Jerk? Is that a thing that you 595 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,400 actually? That's the rule set that we use 596 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,560 for Luke's sacrifice. Game is delving deeper. 597 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,560 OK. Because it's basically just like 598 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,640 a a better put together reprint of like Chainmail and OD and D, 599 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,560 isn't it? It's pretty clean, yeah. 600 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have. I have that. 601 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,720 I know Chow uses does that a lot for some solo stuff too. 602 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,680 It's something that I've always wanted to kind of dig into a 603 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,040 little bit. Maybe we'll take a gander in 604 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,720 there at some point. Yeah, delving deeper is the rule 605 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,480 set that we currently use for the Wednesday Sacrifice games 606 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,120 when Luke's running, and they're pretty. 607 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,440 It's pretty fun. It's pretty stripped back. 608 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,920 It's quite easy. It's quite easy to adjudicate 609 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,280 things if it's not in there. It's meant to be open. 610 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,440 It's not. It's not. 611 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,120 It's not extensively rules for everything you know or rulings 612 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,520 for everything like AD and D becomes so. 613 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,280 Yeah, which is like, it's funny because we went over like fuck, 614 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,000 what's the Neon Lords? And remember, we were like, 615 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,520 like, not that we were so surprised by it, but the rules 616 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,680 were like, good. It's like, 'cause it's just abx 617 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,560 hack, whatever. But then you weren't there for 618 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,200 Hyperborea, which is like an AD and D hack. 619 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,080 And I was like, man, Neon Lords is actually really neat and this 620 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,080 is cool and like how I like games. 621 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,280 And then I read Hyperborea and I was like, oh, this is really not 622 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,160 how I like games. I really understand like the OD 623 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:59,560 and D versus AD and D kind of or BX versus AD and D take on it, 624 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,680 but. And it all depends on the the 625 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,160 handle of the person you know facilitating the game. 626 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,280 The DMI played in a long term Hyperborea game. 627 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,160 That game from what I understand has been going on for like 15 628 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,200 years and the Hyperborea has been the current set rule set 629 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,560 for a lot of those years. I it's the game's actually going 630 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,360 on. It starts in like an hour and it 631 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,800 runs for like 6 hours on Sunday. It's my friend handy haverstacks 632 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,560 game. I play, I play with them 633 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,040 occasionally I'll make a guest appearance. 634 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:42,080 During COVID I played with them every week for, you know, a year 635 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,760 or so. Got my love. 636 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,560 My got my wizard up to 4th level. 637 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,400 And then I went away for an episode and somebody else played 638 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,480 my wizard and killed my wizard, which it was like, it's so hard 639 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,720 to get to me. It's so hard to get Wizards 640 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,760 worked out. It really is so. 641 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,240 I think we've heard this before. I would I would never let 642 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:06,680 someone like I don't know. Nope, that would that would that 643 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,760 would piss me off question so. I don't mind true play like 644 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,600 that. That's it's, it's pretty fun. 645 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,720 You can avenge yourself. You can wait until they're 646 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,640 they're sick and you can play their character. 647 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,920 Be like I got you now. I stabbed myself in the throat. 648 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:27,960 No question for you as far as so we've been tinkering with an 649 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,240 idea that I won't I won't necessarily blast out to 650 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,880 everybody right now. So this would be a little teaser 651 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,280 for for the people to check out the the not cat chats episodes 652 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,240 if you were to not not DCC, because it's not an older game. 653 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:48,840 If you were to pick like an older game that like to like 654 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:57,240 deep dive, what would you pick? Something like pre, I don't 655 00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,760 know, like set 70s or 80s basically. 656 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,400 So these. Are classic or foundational? 657 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,800 Like a first edition of a game besides Traveller. 658 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,800 OK, that doesn't count. Why does why does Classic 659 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:20,160 Traveller not count? Oh, Predator, the food chain 660 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,480 card game. We could deep dive on that one. 661 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,560 How about a tabletop role-playing game? 662 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,280 I mean, I like delving deeper. Does that count? 663 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,240 I mean, it's a retro clone, so. Yeah, I think, I feel like if we 664 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,400 were going to do that, we would probably have to just get the 665 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,760 PDFs of OD and D though and just actually go through the the 666 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,640 original. ODD, Yeah. 667 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:51,240 Yeah, what you know. We always good. 668 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,360 That is the thing we could do. We've been. 669 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,800 Teasing. I grew up playing Basic expert 670 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,480 D&D, so Red Book, Blue Book, I enjoy those, yeah. 671 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,480 So we've, we've been toying with the idea of, of basically doing 672 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,160 kind of like what we do on the show, but not scoring it well, 673 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,400 potentially bringing on guests and doing like a, a like an old 674 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,600 foundational game and talking not only like deep dive in these 675 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,720 older games, but also having discussions about like how the 676 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,160 this game might have like impacted current stuff. 677 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,680 So if it did like first edition Gamma world or something, for 678 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,920 example, going over stuff like that. 679 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,240 My personal one that I've got close to my heart that I want to 680 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:45,360 find someone who's actually run is bunnies and Burrows is one 681 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,520 that I really want to to check out. 682 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,200 But yeah, that's an idea that we've been tossing around. 683 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,440 That's a that's a spoiler for for our fans at check out the 684 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,880 not cat chats episodes for for potential stuff coming up soon. 685 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:07,280 Is, is, is some episodes like that Maybe, but because we just 686 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,760 don't, we don't as far as like our show goes with the reviews 687 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,800 we do, you know, modern indie games and stuff like that. 688 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,320 I don't think it's kind of Fair to put like a game from like 689 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:21,320 1976 up against our modern or whatever. 690 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,400 Yeah. Yeah, I see what you're saying. 691 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,920 Yeah, because I mean a lot of those older games, just like the 692 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,000 way books were put together is not even the same, you know, 693 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,920 like art was very different. A lot of it's very like almost 694 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,160 magazine like with like the the layout format. 695 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,480 Black and white and stuff. 3 columns sometime. 696 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,480 Yeah, so. And sometimes like dense as 697 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,160 fuck. I mean, it's like the old, these 698 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,960 old dragon magazines and stuff like that. 699 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,440 They're still a lot of a lot of what was in here. 700 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,280 Look, I mean, here's an example of three column on one page and 701 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,680 two column on another page that was translated over to the 702 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,000 books. I mean, it breaks it up. 703 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,760 It it's also there's like widows and orphans left and right. 704 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:08,480 Like they weren't, they weren't really concerned with that. 705 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,760 It's just because no one, no one, I guess no one really 706 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,000 caught it. So. 707 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,920 I also think people had Blogger attention spans back then and 708 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,080 they could read that much writing across 2 pages and and 709 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,600 not freak out but myself included in that. 710 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:41,080 But but yeah, yeah, my, my sick brain just completely turned 711 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,920 off. So that was the extent of, of 712 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,120 where that thought took me. What do we have? 713 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,720 I know we talked a lot. I think last time we were on 714 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:57,160 about like the plans coming forward with Karen and 715 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,600 everything. Oh, I had a question. 716 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,960 Wood pulp, a lot of the wood pulp we get in America comes 717 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,800 from Canada. Have you heard any rumblings 718 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,760 about paper prices with this tariff stuff? 719 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,760 I can tell you the paper prices are going up already. 720 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,920 We use Mixam to print most of our zines and things like that. 721 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:24,160 And this last week I did a reprint of the Bloom for Liminal 722 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,160 Horror because it was running low here and the price was 723 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:33,800 noticeably, it was probably about 16% was what I saw. 724 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:39,120 So Yep, Yep. And that's Mixam. 725 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,200 Mixam fluctuates wildly and is is very hot to the touch it, so 726 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,120 to speak. Their prices are always kind of 727 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,040 up there and kind of just do a thing. 728 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:58,240 But yeah, we'll see how it goes. Stay in the course, keeping it 729 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:04,000 small, trying to trying to trying to not do extra stuff 730 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,640 that but that's kind of how we've always done our crowd 731 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,840 funds is not have a lot of extra stuff like we just with 732 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:16,280 survivors of the core wars. We've got our actual we've got 733 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,960 our first patch that we're doing, you know, so we're going 734 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,840 to see how that goes and see how stickers and things like that. 735 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,040 We've made stickers for ourselves before, but never 736 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,800 really for as a reward for crowdfund. 737 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,640 So we're going to see how that goes with manufacturing all that 738 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,960 stuff and rolling that into packaging, getting it out the 739 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,960 door and making sure that people are paying the rights amounts of 740 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,720 stuff like that, you know, for shipping so that we're not 741 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,680 getting screwed on shipping and things like that. 742 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,840 Shipping is the biggest thing that's going to go up. 743 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,320 So I know one of the last times there was a big issue, it was 744 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,160 actually like a paper shortage. Yes, that was during COVID. 745 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680 Yeah. So it doesn't seem like 746 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,320 necessarily there might there would be a paper shortage as 747 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,120 much as just the cost of the paper because of the tariffs 748 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,920 will go up. So at least like it'll be 749 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,800 available even if it costs a little bit more. 750 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,120 So that's good at least. And a lot of you guys's big 751 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,600 crowdfunding as I guess before living a horror happens are 752 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,120 already printed and they're done and in the process of moving. 753 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,560 So hopefully the worst of it's not going to hit you with that. 754 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,600 That is where I think my brain went as far as paper tariffs 755 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,120 that I'm curious about. It really it's one of those you 756 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,840 just got to pay attention to what you're doing and make sure 757 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,600 that you're adjusting your margins and you're getting re 758 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,880 quotes in a timely manner. You can't really expect a quote 759 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,440 that you had from even a month ago to be relative to now. 760 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,480 You kind of need to go the quote. 761 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,840 And before you go to crowd fund, like we're getting ready to go 762 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,680 to crowd fund. I've got, I'm going to run 763 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,600 probably 6 different quotes for the Liminal Horror deluxe book 764 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,880 just to be sure that I'm making sure, you know, that's dealing 765 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,160 with six different printers and then finding out which one can 766 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,280 actually handle doing it in timely manner and things like 767 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,400 that. So it's fun, this job that I do, 768 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:19,920 it's fun. It's not fun. 769 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,880 No, it is fun. I love what you do and you'll 770 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,720 never work a day in your life. And I really, I had asked myself 771 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:27,120 that question a little while back. 772 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,440 I was like, do you still love what you do? 773 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,040 And I still love what I do. Like, well, good, because I want 774 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,960 someone in 10 years or 15 years, if we're still around or if 775 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,400 we're not around or whatever to unearth something that we 776 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,840 published and just be and have that look like on their shelves 777 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,240 and just be like, yeah, that's really cool to roll to roll back 778 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:53,080 to your to to your answer. The answer it's sitting right 779 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,880 here on my desk. Are you from her system that 780 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,760 that we would want to deep dive on? 781 00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,760 Yeah. Yeah, which is just a 782 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,480 suggestion. Guy Realms of Jaroon, I can 783 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,840 cover Jaroon for you if you want, yeah. 784 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,240 Realms of Jaroon Sky realms it's. 785 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,160 It's not it's, it's a, it's a, it's a late 80s, nineties thing, 786 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,320 OK. Fire. 787 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,520 It's got some pretty solid character creation. 788 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:28,280 There's a lot of stats and there's a lot of there's a lot 789 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,520 of extra stuff as one would expect from a 90s RPG. 790 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:37,320 But yeah, you can still get these books. 791 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:42,080 Sometimes Chess X will have these book sets where you can 792 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:48,720 get the the soft cover, which is a combination of the of all the 793 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,240 rules. See my copies even annotated. 794 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:57,640 Look at that annotated. I didn't even know chess X was a 795 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:01,720 like published stuff. They published stuff with. 796 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,760 They published this for a while. They published the 3rd edition 797 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,080 in 1992. Yeah. 798 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,320 Which edition would you suggest? We'd have. 799 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,640 The first, no, just grab. Just grab. 800 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,360 The third one because it's the easiest. 801 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,200 Again, these are kind of rough to read, and they're kind of 802 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:29,240 organized very, very strangely, but they have killer art. 803 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:35,520 Look at that. Yeah, man, I miss when people I 804 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,640 miss. Miles Ted As for those watching 805 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:43,840 at home, Miles Ted as. The guy with ABS in the new Top 806 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,560 Gun movie. I miss. 807 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,560 I miss when people paid illustrators and we had really 808 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:56,320 amazing illustrators, you know, not that we don't currently, but 809 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,560 not to the not to the level Someone recently posted on Blue 810 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,640 Sky, just like randomly, like, just like the ads that were like 811 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,000 1950s magazines and how just insane the illustration was for 812 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,880 just like an ad, you know, and it's like, well, they would give 813 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:16,360 the illustrators money and time and that would be cool if, if 814 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,480 people still did that. All right, my brain is breaking. 815 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:29,040 So we're let's, let's let's call that not Cat chat episode 10 the 816 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,280 flu game. And that'll be us. 817 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:38,360 What do do we have a little a little little preview for for? 818 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,600 Next month, next month will be will be April. 819 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,840 So it will be the endless course from Between the Stars that we 820 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,640 covered a little bit during the crowd fun, but is actually going 821 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,800 to general release along with Tim Goku Station and the cult 822 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,480 record. Oh cool, so. 823 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,000 Those will be the releases which you guys already have which is. 824 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,360 Great. Yeah, we, yeah, we already have 825 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,840 those. We'll be able to to pop those 826 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:02,400 up. Cool. 827 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,040 All right, well, Jerry, thank you for for putting up with our 828 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:11,400 our sick brains today and have fun at Gary Con. 829 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:17,240 And for those listening TuneIn every month for for not cat 830 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:22,400 chats and catch us later this week for Never going home, World 831 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,640 War 1 Elder Tour game. Sure, sure. 832 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,480 Always a pleasure and we will talk to all. 833 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,400 Of you later. Bye. 834 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,320 I appreciate it. Bye, guys. 835 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,680 Of course, Bye.