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So for all of you out there I'm not you don't know how hard I'm
holding back about a 30 minute rant today on the weekly scroll,
we are going to be going over these shadow dark RPG.
What's in my hands when I'm holding up is the first Version
of it. That was it's a quick start
version. That was printed Josh, I think
maybe like two years ago at this point and we don't often the
2022. We don't often do a game prior
to getting the physical version of the game.
If we backed it, but we're going to do it this time.
We did with into the odds so out there.
Yeah we did it. Within the odd.
We did it with cyberpunk, got a cyborg cyborg.
I honestly think that's it. I mean 87 episodes and that's
kind of like the only two. We've really bad with right now.
Yeah. Um what we are?
You gonna pretentious dragons? Yeah we are gonna do let's do
one D&D. Um and yeah.
So anyway so we're going to go over shadowed art because it the
PDF or it just dropped and it made like a million and a half
dollars on Kickstarter and we want to talk about it because
who we want to talk about it. But before that we are going to
go over a couple of things real quick.
One. No first here we go.
If you have watched the show before you know that we are
great friends with equal over the loss Bay and every couple of
months. They do an awesome bundle of
stuff that you can get for a fantastic price and pre-orders
open for and everything like that.
The last one that they did is this thing that I've been trying
super hard not to open. I mean that I dear bundle
interfere but no you don't know how hard it's been to not open
this so it's in my hands for you guys listening to podcast land.
So instead of just doing like a like what they've been doing are
the silver like a big silver envelope basically that you can
like tear open and it's great. This one is an actual like
envelope / kind of like softbox situation.
Like it's got folks like a box but if you can open it up like
an envelope on the back and it's got this amazing.
Graphic on the front, this is fear bundle with these crying
eyes and this is from Lost Bay Studios that's eco over the loss
Bay. I've tried really hard not to
open this so that we can open it on stream and actually I'm going
to change it to a big window. Oh shit.
You know what? I should transition to the big
one? Do not was he what you say, what
were you about to say? Well, I was going to open up the
fear bundle on a window that everyone else can't see.
So that I can actually go through what it is and talk
about a little bit more. But yes, let's do it.
Let's do a transition. Boom, We transitioned and of
course, I forgot to change this window.
So we are going to be going over the fear bundle, right?
Now you I'm opening it for the first time with you guys as I do
this thing. And yeah, here we go.
This is what we're doing. All right?
Windows adjusted. All right, for you, listen to my
castle and this is called Listen.
If you're if you're if you're just listening to this podcast
right now you can't see what's going on.
Doesn't matter know. Hey, it doesn't matter.
It just sounds like dead. Terrible are so we're good.
So, the fear bundle, I'm actually going to turn the
burner off because it's just going to be a bitch.
There goes so quick. Everyone read his books.
Now read the titles of all the books by him, click read read.
I actually adjusted this so you can finally see the top shelf.
The World Champ game Co and Max Moon section here, top middle.
Shelf. There it goes.
Because you should be able to because why the fuck not?
Because it's like, it's awesome. So I'm cracking the sucker up
for the first time. We're opening up this like
envelope box situation, which honestly, this is so fucking
cool. I would definitely get a release
like this. You know what I mean?
Or really something in this format, really great peeling, it
open. And then, this is what you see,
right? Right off the start as this,
this is what you see. So, it is a pie.
Looks tough and right on the top.
Is this beautiful? Trifold little pamphlet here
that is all like silver foiling. And it is so cool.
It's so beautiful and it's got a dude on it and there's a splash
over it and on it, it says it adapts to your breathing.
This is a scenario for one referee and one player adapted
for minimalist teacher RPGs for General minimalist.
Whore RPG says coup critique this is dope It says it adapts
to your breathing as a scenario, powered by generic system that
you can adapt your favorite minimalist, TT RPG.
So super light system just a way to roll to do Horror in whatever
system we will run. That is an awesome fucking thing
that up right on the top for running, watch a horror stuff.
So basically a way to adapt it to whatever you want to do.
I do want to be able to actually tell people what this is.
So I'm Going through it. Adapts, your breathing.
This is from p renowed is an adventure in the form of a
leaflet for a player and facilitator.
The player character is confronted with a situation that
is disturbing as it is a narcissistic.
Alright, the next one, this is exclude another pamphlet here.
Exclusion Zone, botanist a solo drawing and sketching game.
This some excellent press. They put out some awesome stuff.
I recently started following the Um, they just kind of, I mean, I
don't know how long they've been doing stuff, but they hit the
ground running with a lot of really amazing content and they
have a great substitute to these.
Definitely read learning has entered this dude, a lot.
Listen, we need a sub stack because I got shit to say
exclusion Zone botnet from. I'm I feel like I'm saying that
wrong. Exe UNT exit.
Press execute cells here. Yeah, inspired by the color out
of space. Amazing HP Lovecraft.
Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.
Story and Annihilation. You got me already.
It is a you are a botanist assigned to document plants and
a heavily forested area known as the easy dope.
Nice little map. Cool clean layout, looks really
fantastic. That's awesome.
The next thing we got here who is a card you can tell directly
from the card that this is definitely Zack hazards art
right off the bat. This is Click Clack, it says on
it. So this is a large card.
And to one thing on each side and click clack plus gushing
grav, lerczak Hazard and Nick tafani to just dig, right?
It's two creatures developed for use in any session of liminal
horror. So yeah, do part on both sides,
really great living a horror clear.
I mean, if you're going to have a theater bundle, living horror
will be in this kind of like I have to it's I mean it was
assumed. It was like this, the
Cornerstone for this entire thing.
So unit, DH 23 is from Eco with himself.
He decided to put some of his own stuff in a bundle, which is
great because he go to some fucking awesome shit.
He pretty much does like gruesome disgusting shit or like
like a musical kind of Yeah, we're talking about from like
the loss Bay to like, then you can look like Sky Realms which
recently started going out, which is like you just fuck.
So there's not really a middle and that's fucking awesome.
But this is unit G3, really good at stuff like that.
Really the there they're able automatable.
Do both is now on middle. It's either like very comforting
fun familiar or like, absolutely terrifying, horror shit?
Yeah, yeah, and it's awesome that He can do both.
So yeah this is an adventure where there's a small ordinary
prefab, Suburban home that hides Subterranean, flesh
Abominations. And apparently you should not
have taken this babysitting gig and this is inspired by, it's an
adventure for the upcoming lost Bay.
RPG got to play test that before can't fucking wait for that.
Really excited. Great-looking little Zine here.
I like when the z-man Do the little like it's not perfect
bound but it's got an edge to it, kind of situation, you know?
I mean yeah. And that's what this has.
Really great. Clean Zine, with a bunch of
stuff. Yeah.
Okay. You're right.
Oh, and it lays open really well.
Uh, Well that so love that. Oh Doom.
Yeah so this is great. Very excited for this.
Can't wait for the actual loss are lost.
Lost Bay RPG to drop, decided to run some more stuff from Eco.
The next 10 we have some just some interesting just big cards
here one it just says the swine. There's nothing on the back and
it is gosh. What is this?
Um, Hell is Ryan? Oh, I don't know.
I'm trying to find this the one says holy days of the true
church and then there is the swine.
I wonder if this wine is for to know the true church is from Eco
and the station's a system neutral, Wicked cult generator,
the front looks like an actual Church leaflet which it does.
This is something that people in white button Downs would drop on
my or get yelled at to get off the fuck off my lawn holy days
of the church. Monday through Saturday, all are
welcome, and then there's some awesome stuff on the back.
There is a character sheet. And then there is the swine.
I have everything dropped off from a church to my door.
Oh my god. Dude.
Where I live? Last people used to come knock
on the door all the time. No.
I think I I think I exude an Unholy Aura.
I think they know they approached me happy.
Yeah, here's the thing, here's the thing.
If you're religious That's fine for you.
The most important thing to do, especially when they're younger.
You know what I mean? Like, when they're like, like
early 20s or even like late teens, because that's what they
do. The point of door-to-door,
churching has nothing to do with converting people to the
religion. They, the leaders of the church,
do it on purpose, so that people will yell at them, which
reinforces the teaching that The Outsiders are bad and you need
Need to stay with us. The people that are good to you
and nice to you and it reinforces their like connection
to the church by basically putting them into what amounts
to a traumatic situation. If you're if they're getting
yelled at and like basically hearing all the voice in their
head saying like those are the bad guys those are the
non-believers shown the non-believers and then when they
come back all like upset because Charlie right when they get up
to their upset that someone yells at them that puts him in a
very vulnerable position. That quote, unquote Church
leader, can further further enforcer ties in the church.
So the most important thing you can do with young people that
come knocking on your door, is not yell at them, to be very
nice to them. And then just explain why there
are is crazy, is how typical of an episode of the weekly scroll.
This is so far, dude. So we got a bunch more.
So this has to be the liminal horror invertigo.
Ooka inventory cart system. Yeah.
So, this is this adapter, Mouse. Ritter physical play card, set
up for your lemon horror games. So, there's a bunch of character
sheets. And then, the character sheet
itself actually, has like slots. Yeah.
Well, numbers spots, yeah, for left-hand body.
All that kind of stuff right there.
And then there are sheets here that you can cut the actual,
like, inventory, items out and use them in the The mastered our
style is actually show what's on your body which is so fucking
cool. I really do love that about my
sword arm excited to go over that because I love like board
game e. Ish kind of stuff in RPGs
because listen, like board games and all that actually has like
a, you know, a decent consensus of academic, you know, whatever.
Anyway, and then we have doing great.
It's of fronts episode. Listen, I'm running on two hours
of sleep and not enough caffeine.
So I'm sorry if I sound like I'm having a stroke so mine are
linehan's a liminal Colossus at a Jew supplement for any RPG.
This is really fantastic. I'm super excited to get this in
print because this has been a niche for a while and That's it,
that's it. And it's like a it's like a quad
fold situation. Look at this.
It's and for those in podcast Land.
Look at look how gorgeous that color is and I say those that
pink is very familiar. Great pink.
So it is that the to mine our lenihan is a writer designer and
podcaster. So check their stuff out.
Mine are Linehan du h .i o this is really neat.
Um, and apocalypse road, trip is kaijus UFOs and Cryptids on the
open road. Check that out.
Really dope, love this. Can't wait to run liminal Chi
juice. I'm getting to what is this
situation? Oh, this is cool.
So this is a fold out. This is the vanished for a
liminal horror. This is a dark scenario, it's a
whole big fold-out situation here.
Very cool, really fucking cool. Like There's basically it's a
top down with arrows on, like, how to move through and you
should like the room areas house, like, descriptions right
on it really fucking cool. Really fantastic.
That it's a job and this is from Josh Kaminski running the show.
Josh was on with art once again from Zach.
And you know it's I love when a game in artists find each other.
You know like obviously Merc Borg Johan didn't just do the
art but like Johan is the art of mercury is beautiful.
Like Zack is the are for living horror and it's beautiful.
When we went over like like me On Lords and even marching one
of the same way with God. I feel like a dick for not
remembering, but the artist for both of those the style fits so
perfect for the game and, and pretty much all of the art.
All the, the big pieces are from that same artist and it is
really, really fantastic. Basically.
It is like, it is like, it is like, Scorsese finding Leo.
You know what I mean? Like, there's just some, it's a,
its job better than School. Yeah.
What he's done, like eight fucking movies, and it's great.
What about the guy who does creepy stuff in Johnny Depp?
Yeah, enjoy your fucking. That guy's wife or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Hello.
Tim Burton. Yeah, thanks.
And sometimes you just find a pair and Zack and lemon horror
do really great. Then we have this called soda
Stone. This is from Alfred Valley.
God, I fucking love Alfred Valley.
Stuff. Hey listen.
After Valley want to come on the show sometime you just actually
like like not. This is this isn't a joke.
I'll reach out really really amazing stuff and this is called
soda Stone, the music at the soda.
Stone, always kills especially tonight.
So to Stone is a small town, small form liminal horror
mystery of strange tapes and rituals disguised as a gig
flyer. So it looks like a flyer for a
gig but it's got this interesting.
So listen, so for those That aren't in chat.
We do have the one and only meet cast on here who's done some
amazing stuff. If I remember correctly this
fold-out style is this, I don't have it with me.
You recently did something in the same style, it wasn't it
gatefold and that's what it is. While I'm repping your stuff,
though, what is, what is the one that you just put out that has
this? Not, it's not corpo killed which
could you just did to? It's more of the white white sun
or on it. Fuck, Anyway, so this is really
fantastic. It's gatefold.
It looks awesome. And anything after Valley
touches, I will read a million times over and not be surprised
if there's like hitting shit in every part of it.
So, really fucking cool. Whoo.
And so there's two things one. This is the very bottom one
Metro skate bloodbath. Do you have this?
I already have one of these so this would be going to you.
This is written by Logan Dean. Yeah, yes.
So Christian did the gatefold for loafing on my sub sack, it's
also the editor, loved it. Valley did with that one.
I feel like maybe you changed the style of one of your recent
releases and originally might have been grateful but was
changed when you put it on plus one store, but I could be wrong.
So Logan Dean's, done some fucking awesome stuff.
Tough, like the company, which I can't wait for a reprint for
that. And for those that aren't aware,
if you're not on Twitter, they're working with one of the,
the one and only I'm pointing to the atom of a section World
Champ for a game that's recently that's going to be coming out
very, very soon. Super fucking excited to see
more Logan Dean stuff and anything that a vast does which
is really fantastic. So this is an adventure for
that, very excited for that. I have this and I have some
other stuff for the company but not Not the actual company in
front but really excited for that.
And the very last one I've had for a while.
This is breathless and I'm positive.
That this is the first time that this has been in print but it
has been on it for a long time. And this is one of those games
that immediately had an SRD and has like a million games that
use this system. It is a survival horror RPG by
fari games. This is basically, like, I feel
like Like if the less left the was his zombie one with the
mushrooms. L left for dead?
No of us. Sure.
I feel like if the Last of Us was an RPG, the system that this
runs this would be the system that I want and not mushy.
Yeah, papa mushy. So really, really fantastic.
So the breathless system is really, really neat.
This is super clean. It's literally just like one
thing folded in half, love the art on the front character sheet
on the back. It's a really, really neat
system and it's cool to actually get this in the hands and that's
the fear of own doll. That is the whole thing, it's
fucking awesome. If you missed out on it, it's
sold out. You should have fucking got on
it. So, you know what you shouldn't,
you know what you shouldn't miss out on, you know what you
shouldn't miss out on. Is what we're going to be
talking about right now. I've no idea where about talk
about. I'm so lost.
I have no idea. Fallen bundle.
Listen, honestly, go to The Loft space, studio.com go to the shop
section. And then anytime a bundle drops,
just buy it because ecos only going to be putting out, fire
stuff, and perplexing ruins. PR friend of the show, had him
on Fallen is absolutely fantastic.
Super cool guy. It only makes a really cool
content and if you somehow missed the original release of
Fallen which I did miss a couple of parts of it and PR is such a
cool fucking person that he's singing like all of it and it's
fantastic. I was like we were talking
earlier I'm like it's a great bundle.
I have all of this though, right?
Really cool logo. Designed to Eco sent it to me in
the bottom left. I actually have a like overlaid
everything so we can keep it right on top.
This is the bundle from PR in-law space Studio.
It It's all, it's all fallen. So if you somehow missed any
Fallen stuff, you need to check out this bundle instantly know
showing you kind of like what the stuff that we like to go or
follows really good one. So good, really, really super
enjoyed it. I think it's what we still need
to play. May be cool.
Doing AP of it. Well, I really loved.
I will once again, I will always have a can really love the gun
dueling rules in this one. It's like I it's, I think was so
fantastic. Yeah.
Super great game. Also very cool.
Cool. I think it's like a baroque like
are ohori game or boring game, Wario horn.
Yeah, perfect. And hori.
Hori listen to be right here, horn it up following this game
for you. Yeah, it's so fucking cool.
Like, yeah, might I might read that one bed tonight because I
read Harvey. He's in bed.
Yeah. And in cover, once again, from
Zach did a great piece for the cover following piece.
Yeah. And not only that.
So, Fallen by itself. Fucking awesome.
It is broken, Grim. It's and broke his.
Such a cool kind of underutilized tab.
He really. It's like my it reminds me a
little bit of nausea like search for something to be reminded of
like pop culture-wise. But looking my thing blood-borne
blood-borne yeah Hondo one hundo blood.
Now stuff that hits exactly that Vibe.
No, there's no it's great rounded.
But that specific Vibe is very hard to find Wilbur, okay?
It's such a good time period for Fantasy to because although you
know how I feel about guns, the gun rules in this are awesome
but it it kind of still hits its it's enough technology that you
could do a little bit more advanced stuff but it's also
still enough not technology and enough like like science.
Isn't there enough that it can still be like mysterious?
And like I feel like you can Like that weird like, like,
almost like dr. Frankenstein s technology or
like, you know, like in The Princess Bride where they like
pumping the life, out of them through like the wobbegong
machine. Like that kind of Technology
could put like a broke Style game, know what?
It's a perfect time period for when I feel like science and
magic or kind of 50/50. Yeah.
Well, you know, I mean and you can lean either way and you can
fucking rats. Obviously, if you're listening
to this you should go. I mean really you should go get
the bundle. I It's like probably the best
way to get fallen at this point. Not only that because it's
everything you fucking need, everything that comes along with
it. It's only $70 and you get the
got. Let's just talk about everything
that you get for it. It's the actual Fallen core book
which is gorgeous. It is the he'll grab campaign
setting which is literally as big as the book.
They're both like four pages long, you get the Redux of the
campaign notebook which is a five and it's Eight pages.
So it's a notebook and Zine for running Fallen.
Super great. If you're a member of actually
have the campaign notebook, um, I have it because I'm a member
of Pierre's patreon because I'm a member of a patreon, but I
think I joined it after that. Probably.
Okay, well, I'm also need to download Super worth it or by
the model. Um, there is a one of the only
things that I don't have in here is a demon card is an A5 print
on cotton paper of a really gorgeous piece of art.
There is there Our character sheets and the character sheet
is from, oh God, I'm gonna not data to come.
Notebook. Please tell me it's listed on
here because the character sheet is absolutely stunning.
I wonder if their name is all the character, she's really
cool. Oh my God, what?
I'm so sorry. The creator of the character
sheet because your stuff is fucking amazing, the art on it
is absolutely gorgeous and my, my tired brain is completely
blanking on the name of the person who did the character
sheet, but how gorgeous is it with the, like the blindfold
over the eye. That becomes, like the name
thing, like holding the The like the paper coming down that has
the skills and simply sit on it, your sheet, it's absolutely.
No, I'm positive. The initials are like BP and I'm
just a complete fucking idiot. Bruno Prosecco right there,
alternate character sheet, absolutely fucking stunning.
And they've done some amazing amazing stuff.
So really, really fantastic. So you get the zine, you get
that, you get the character sheet, you get a map, you get
PDFs of everything. And then three fucking Decks
that are gorgeous. You get an oracle deck that is
terrible size. 20 cards are going to be cre deck, that's 20
cards, tarot size, and you get a full poker size deck of
equipment that 17 cards, all color, all gorgeous really,
really, really fantastic. Honestly, if you don't own any
of Fallen, do yourself, a favor, spin the 70 bucks, get the
entire bundle because every part of it is fucking awesome.
So he'll grab actually that Sounds like fun.
I have great. So yeah we yeah we do.
So that is the Fallen bundle and yeah every couple of months
another bundles going to be dropping in.
Guess what? Every couple months we're going
to be talking about another fucking bundle.
And here's the thing is it's not just because ecos awesome and
stuff like that, the bundles are awesome and I buy everything
one. I don't know how I'm gonna get
this one because I owe 95% of it.
Yeah. And I would love to get the
print but I have I also bought a bunch of PR's Princeton Because
it's art is fucking awesome kind of a kind of a message PR and be
like, hey can I buy one of the campaign notebook?
Just the print. Oh yeah.
Okay, so now book. Yeah.
Because I really just want the,
I really just want to know book. I really like I was going
through because they give you, if you're listening that if you
go to, if you go to God, where's my?
Oh yeah, the lost they studio.com, which is where you
can buy any of these things. They have a little walkthrough
image by image and the campaign notebook, interior.
Very cool. I really genuinely want it.
Yeah, it's really dope. Like it's got the hex Maps has
got like a location section. It's got list for a bunch of
stuff and then there's like an entire section of like roll
tables like a DAT across to the d8 of like putting together
rooms and stuff like it's more than just a notebook.
Like there's so much practical business that's why I really
liked about it. So yeah.
And I mean and even Then he'll grab like if you if you were one
of the again if you had if you were a back or a long time ago,
the oracle card that's imprinted in the he'll grab book, you
actually got as like a card and it's on that kind of like
elephants are stock in. I mean so it's really fucking
cool. The the Oracle page here which
is really, really fantastic. Oh hey campaign.
A book is on her boxing ruins shop so.
Oh yeah. You gonna do find it because I
was Googling perplexing ruins shop right now.
Perplexing. Chopped Big Cartel.com.
Yeah, I need to, I need to give, give a couple of people
permission to drop links in chat because I know everyone's their,
my gum and they dropped it, and it's just like three stars.
But, but yeah, the, the shop is right there.
You know what? And I mean, PR is a friend and a
homie. Let's look at his shop.
Perplexing ruin shop that you just had hosted by.
We're so off, we're going really sell Off Script right now but
who can tell you how much I want this poster.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
The, the cosmic chess poster. Yeah.
Oh my God, how fucking cool. It's gorgeous with, Like the
Wolf in the moon. Like it's really, really
beautiful. There's only 50 screaming.
It's gorgeous. Monster Woods is a bastard
Adventure. They just recently, put out
which is really fantastic. The old Channel link is here.
Come on everything living room. It was just right here because I
was referencing it for my pecs crawl Mom.
It's a - right that green one, that's why I'm pointing to right
there. Yeah, the campaign notebooks 11
bucks, he'll grabs right here. All the decks are right here.
But honestly, like it is worth it, just get it as a bundle.
And I actually, I have the fire ritual print to.
So anyway, yeah, PR is PR the fucking man and their stuff is
absolutely gorgeous, really, really fantastic when I was so
excited when falling came out because I was a huge fan of of
like Ward and some of the other set of product.
Umm, yeah. So there it's just really
fucking awesome content. They're great person, they do a
lot of amazing stuff. So anything that they do, You
artistically or design-wise, you want to check out.
Don't worry time, they do art for anything.
Like okay, I'll get it. Like I'll get yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly. It's just it's yeah, if you like
you said before, like if you like the bullshit that we spout
about all the time, this is the kind of stuff that we love.
So if you are at all, so very much.
Yeah, so yeah, exactly. So anyway, let's get to what
we're really talking. I think, I think we're stuck in.
Going to do fall on guys, again. Yeah.
You know what? Let's let's just do this.
Evan Evan, and I just go and then unplug him PR for just cuz
we got five tangent for like 20 minutes.
I mean, dude, I listen for someone who makes content as
good as perplexing ruins dies and someone who's as good of a
person is I would do a whole episode where I just fucking rep
here project, I really wanted and I was bummed.
It didn't go through was Brazen Crown the battle.
Yeah. Game.
Here's all the art for and I was like, yeah, 100%.
Yeah, it just, you know, it's that was a, I was surprised that
didn't and then they try to do it again and and I didn't quite
go through prizes, didn't make it seem like to think that
everyone wanting I fucking, I don't it, I think I don't know
if it was just like it was just a weird time or just like a.
Like I don't know what it was about it because I definitely
thought it was going to or if just the cost of what they
wanted to do to succeed, like the need is whatever or the
desire. And you have to figure like
making a card game, has got a, it's got to be expensive.
Yeah I mean it did look great. I'm hoping some some variation
of it eventually comes out but but yeah and then but I think
all the art reverted back to him so hopefully you do something
like that. So yeah, completely agree.
Anyway we are awesome fucking person by this goddamn bundle.
Let's get to the show. What's let's fucking do it.
So we're going over Josh Shadow dark.
So before we hop in, let's talk about a couple of things here
real quick. So shatter dark recently funded
on Kickstarter for off fuckload of money for yeah.
Way more than I can imagine that Arcane Library who created this?
I'm Kelsey possibly imagine that it would considering that the
goal was like ten thousand dollars in it back for what like
1.3 million fucking dollars. But honestly I do think that was
that was so tough honestly. She is got to thank her lucky
stars and honestly like the timing is because W, he sucks,
and really fucked everybody around with the whole license
shit, right? Yeah.
And here's the thing for anyone listening real quick rant, we
didn't fucking win, you didn't win against a corporation
because they fucking decided not to do the shit with the license,
right? For those that aren't listening,
right? So See giant fucking piece of
shit corporation that owns DND well has Barone's Dandy, but
then there's Wizards of the Coast that owns magic Andy Andy
Fu of The Day Magic will always make more money than the Indie
and they can't stop fucking around.
So what they did is they hire a bunch of assholes at the top of
the company. Don't give a fuck about D&D,
right? Or you or anyone that plays any
fucking games? I don't give a fuck about you.
They just want your fucking money.
The heart of much assholes that a little bit quoted.
It is basically saying fuck them.
Fuck. This license and fuck the people
that play it. And so what they did is that is
what they try to do is fuck everybody.
First of all, you never needed a fucking license.
You never needed one point. A way to make Dean D compatible
shit. It was just because you can't
copyright rules what they really copyrighted.
Quote-unquote was the language in which they express those
rules. So you can't say nothing like
you can't say dexterity check so you can just write agility, you
never need to the license. And even the person that wrote
the license said, we only Only did it to trick people into
thinking that they needed it, so they would do shit for our shit,
right? You never needed it.
So what they decided to do was take that away from people and
people started freaking the fuck out because a lot of people make
their livelihoods off of 5e and like, but if you look at a lot
of games like ose and a bunch of stuff, everything uses 1.0 a,
right? So a lot of people were like
what the fuck's going to happen to the entire industry when they
fuck everybody and rightfully the entire industry said fuck
this, right? They will tell you right now.
The only thing they don't give a fuck that you didn't want that,
right? They could care less.
They would have done it in a goddamn heart beat the only
thing that stopped them from doing it was because so many
people cancelled their DMV Beyond subscriptions, to the
point where even Hasbro was like, bro were hemorrhaging
money. What's going on to stop doing
that. So they decided to come out jerk
off some PR bullshit to be like our bad guys.
Sorry. And then put the said we're not
going to change the license, right?
And and not only that, we're going to put the 5.1 SRD into
Creative Commons, which guess what you also did it need,
right? Okay.
Didn't need to do that. And for anyone that and then the
entire industry went, oh, thank you and went back to sucking the
golden tea. And everyone was like, well we
won. So stop bitching about it.
We didn't fucking win. You don't win against the
corporation and the corporation exists.
When you're done protesting, like you like your fucking sheep
like the All they did. Right was stopped doing the
thing that they should have done in the first place.
And then by putting 5.1 in the SRD, the only reason they even
did that is because things like the orc, license started popping
up, right? Co-op press started doing
project blend flag. All of these things that
honestly was going. The whole point of the original
license, was to keep people in the D&D sphere, right?
Use our language makes tougher our game because they know or
the people that knew at the time knew That the third party
content. The Homebrew stuff needs to be
in our language so that they buy our game because the number one
seller do, what do you think is the number one Money Maker for
all of Dungeons and Dragons? Anna, tell me the player's
handbook and I also some fucking matter.
Everything else is fluff. That's where all the adventures
in 5e suck. That's why everything else sucks
because it just is so you by the player's handbook.
So if people keep making third-party content that still
shit to encourage you to buy the player's handbook, right?
That's not gonna go and do one more because I feel like that
counts is more than one thing. Oh yeah.
Oh for the for the counter. Yeah.
So basically the they Five point one into the SRD because the
entire industry started shifting away from D and D, right?
So, and everyone was like, okay, we're going to strip all the
language that Dandy uses out of all of our shit, every big
company Pathfinder ose everything, right?
So then the entire till they went, how can we make them?
Not do that. Let's put 5.1 in into Creative.
Commons, let's leave 1.0 a alone and anyone that thinks that that
was a victory and that they were being nice and like getting you,
a gift needs to pay the fuck. Tension because what that did
was completely undercut all momentum for people to move away
because if you heard anything about the Oracle license.
No. Nope.
You haven't because it was a preemptive strike.
So why did Shadow dark do as well as it did?
Because it released a 5e mixed with 0s are right in the midst
of all of that. I thought it was just because
the book looks so nice. So no.
So anyway, that's why I did so well.
So originally though they put out this, which is the shadow
Dart, quick start, which is too awesome ziens with some great
art and the even released third Zine for it called cursed
scroll, which is like more content for it and it even came
with character sheets and stuff. It was a really cool release
there were. Well done.
Seems. There's art on the backs of all
all sounds good, too. It's a good sound so good.
Yeah. So why did it do as well as it
did? Because of the time, period of
job, if this dropped like eight months earlier, I don't think it
hits 50 thousand dollars, right. Completely honest.
I don't think it does, but I think the time in which it
dropped with the industry and stuff like that, and people
finally opening their eyes, to maybe some other games, was a
really great. So I think wisely goes through.
This is like a really great if you're trying to step away from
5e. This is a great area to up into
it is an adequate area of step into.
Thank you. So for those of you who are not
watching, we're just nodding at each other continuously.
So, yeah. So I'm going to try to focus up
here and we'll get going into it.
So, and that's not to say anything about Arcane Library.
Kelsey anything again. Like as far as the, what I just
ranted about with watching stuff like that, the timing is just
great and this awesome for her, and for her company and see
their kid Library the amount of money they made.
I can only imagine that the everything they can do now.
They don't need to worry about any money for any projects going
forward, which is really fantastic.
So Shadow dark when it was originally ziens was neat.
And then what they decided to do was turn it into a big book and
we'll talk about that as we go through.
But so what, what, what real quick?
What were your initial like reactions?
When you read this book? I think it's a good.
I think it's a perfectly fine game.
I like it. It's very easy to understand
especially once again, like I feel like if you're
transitioning for from 5e to more of an old-school feel, but
you still want kind of like the 6th at you still want like, the,
the roll over. Yeah, I think it's good.
I was not may be blown away by any anything individually, but
it's not to say that I didn't like it going through it.
Yeah, but, you know, me, I'm a D20 roll under, like, into the
odd. Kind of guy.
So, you know, and I've been spending this whole week, going
through blacks word, hack, and being like, that's the best
thing ever. But like, yeah, for like, if I
was gonna go sit at a table, I would much rather play this than
the Indy. Yes, I agree with a lot of that.
Here's II think, my first impression when I read it, when
it was the quick start was one thing.
And then when I read through the PDFs, it was about the same here
that the book is just, it's more stuff.
Yeah. And it's Both of the it's both
of these put together into a gorgeous book.
Well, the pictures. Look, gorgeous.
We don't have the vehicle thing yet.
Theoretically, it's a gorgeous book, that's exactly what so it
builds itself as 0s are mixed with 5e, right?
If you like 5e. But you want to play a better
game? This this tries to be a middle
ground and honestly we'll talk about the end and whether it
succeeds at that or not but that was the goal.
Yeah. And and yeah So yeah.
So we're checking out. So two things right off the bat
one. This is not like this cover but
it's a virgin piece of art for the cover.
Every box, this is base. Is it by far everything go
through? This is my favorite piece of art
right here, like no contest all yeah.
Like I am in my taxi the holies but like this weird very very
alien pseudo Beholder I Tyrant like Eldritch for For this fox
tremendously. So super hard it like you're
right looks like a giant zombie. I Tyrant like dripping.
Like as it's like coming through a Archway like a cyclopean
Archway which isn't and then you have a and yeah it's a gorgeous
piece of art its art. The thing is like all of the art
from the original ziens was just reused for the book which is
totally fine because they are too pretty for The future.
Okay, with that? Yeah, I think.
I was like, no percent, okay? Yeah, if it's if it's not broke,
please don't think don't fix this good art, you know, what's
interesting too? So there's two versions of the
book, right? There's the, this is the, The
Standard Version and again, great best piece of art in all
of it. You write flux art.
There is a premium version that they did put out though this got
like a leatherette cover all the premium version s naked eye
Tyrant. Yeah, it is yeah it's super
naked is very sassy sassy Baca. So the actual PDF puts a a print
of the leatherette version in the green that's on it and it's
foiled and it's got It's a piece of art that's in the book too
but they turn it into a great piece for the cover disgustingly
cool. Yeah that's rad.
That also is very that's a very good piece.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's a skeletal kind of King on a throne holding an orb with
skulls at its feet. To the art is fucking awesome.
And it'll tell you if they 24 really came across My character
is trying to pick up that orb, you know, you know?
Yeah listen if they in pondering yeah, you're here.
Try some orbs. Yeah, that's what we got to do.
So right off the bat, I love that there's that.
I love that. I mean, the perfect for them
that they put out a premium version.
Because why not? Because guess who fucking by the
pretty members, and this fucking guy, and yeah, and and all the
artists fucking gorgeous. That's one thing we can't say
bad about the whole thing. Thing.
They and what I love about the artists throughout this is this
is a very modern take on old school art building.
Yeah. Because it does not look like
old-school art, but it does look like old-school arcade is, yeah,
it's very reminiscent of old school art.
It's a damn, you know, I think, I think the tagline on
Kickstarter was like like old-school modernized I think
that was very appropriate. Those School gaining modernized.
Yeah I do. I think that was the goal and
again like well well it looks like we're always like yeah,
less is more but for some people who aren't really used to that
like this, the more is more you No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a, is a great way to say it.
Yeah, that's exactly. That's exactly what it was is
old-school gaming modernized and and yeah, the book looks
gorgeous. Classic Adventure Gaming for 5e
and old school players alike, one book, all you need to play I
mean yeah also is one big shout out that's one book all you need
to play didn't put them on the bleed us dry like w.
See ya and and it bent it back for one point, three, six, five.
Five million dollars. So, I mean, again I've read I
own a lot of Arcane Library stuff and they did 5e.
I think the adventures that Kelsey about were really good
for VY V. Like they know what they're
doing. They know how to write stuff and
I, and they did a really good job.
I think with the goal that they're going forward, this and
I don't think that anything about the goal can be critique
necessarily. I think, to me what I felt at
the end whether regardless of my opinion about The style of game
objectively. I think they did a really good
job of what they're going for. Probably, yeah, I buy the, I
would probably agree with that, you know, I get really.
Yeah. Okay.
Well, let's go. Yeah.
So right off the bat there's like inside.
Cover pages for like weapons armor tells you right off the
bat. I mean there's a cost type range
damage properties all that stuff.
So a lot of minutiae as far as Weapons items, stuff like that
regardless of how you feel about inventory and money and stuff
like Like that, it's here. It exists.
There's a bunch of different types of armor, leather chain
plate, Shield, mithril, all that stuff stats, for all of that,
right off the bat, and then it gets right into even before the
index. There is a quick rundown of like
the basics of the game, which gotta love that.
Yeah, I the fact that it's so early on, I'm like, I can
reference this immediately that there's that's valued me.
Like I can open the book me like, yeah.
Okay. What do you know?
A12 is like a normal decent, you know, partner.
The other thing that this page being right here is
realistically, if you've, if you've played 5e and you've read
a lot of tabletop games, honestly, this page really tells
you everything you know about this game.
Yeah, yeah. As soon as I finish this page, I
went, I know exactly. I pray.
I can pretty much write like, 80% of the rest of this, because
I can tell exactly where they're going with it.
So, there's difficulty class, which Which is its standard
pick, a DC easy normal hard and extreme 9, 12, 15 18, and it's
got some great examples for each.
There's morale which 5e has as an optional rule.
One of the worst things 5e did was put some of their best stuff
into the DMV, top of the worst things ever.
In to optional, just put it in the fucking game.
Put clean her out in the fucking game.
Yeah. Yeah, whatever.
It's like hirelings. It's like why do they say why'd
we stop? Hirelings like that is a fun
part. Like, dude, like my appointment.
Yes, you're right. Yeah, yeah.
Morale DEC 15 with some check. We all know what that means and
that's a 5e thing. That's a standard D&E thing.
Dying is different and we'll go over some of these rules as we
go because we're not going to trip.
We do this all the time of go through it.
We go over it. Like three times there's rules
on dying, which are a little bit more old school ish.
That's a tweak distance. A movement is exactly the same
climbing falling. I don't like the following rule
1 D6 damage, every 10 feet. I know that that's been a debate
forever in the Indie Realms. Listen, there is a reason that
when you throw a penny off, the Empire State Building is not
going to kill anybody. It is called terminal velocity,
so there should be maximum for your falling damage, but
whatever. Moving through stuff.
I hate hate this so much. I hate it with a passion.
I don't know if it's going to come up later but remind me in
will talk about moving through stuff because I hate it.
Swimming and spell, focus success/failure distraction,
it's a thing. So that's in the game.
And then, let me tell you what. Let me tell you, whoever put
this together and I assume it is.
Kelsey listen, hyperlinks. Oh, I know.
It's crazy. It's so good.
Oh, like that every day. As soon as I had this page, my
like perspective on the entire rest of the game went.
Okay. All right.
I'm a little more open to this now because it says Shadow dark
at the top in a great font. Very, very evocative, it's got
writing design layout, and then it's got a list for all of the
art. And every artist and every page.
And you can click on every page number to, go to that page to
that art. I know that takes a long fucking
time, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
I think it's amazing for the artist.
I think it's awesome for the book, really gorgeous?
Really, really fantastic job. Some legal bullshit.
Arcane library is logo, Shadow dark slow go that way.
Nobody sense. Yeah and then we get to I think
I think house is actually doing like a legal am a tonight or or
soon I think I got a Kickstarter update for it.
Then we go to the about content which is guess What completely,
finally, gorgeous, killing killing the game here.
And not only that when we click open to bookmarks, guess what?
Super fucking bookmark to. So as far as like layout goes
for navigability, I know, really fantastic.
I was so worried deep in my heart, that it wouldn't be.
And that I was just getting so mad and just, hey, the game 10
times harder because it wasn't really glad it is.
And I honestly think that like, the again, that art page in the
beginning, being completely hyperlinked, and the artist
being wrecked as much as they are on that page is so cool.
So bunch of sections, intro characters, gameplay, and game
master. We this is and then it keeps
going and then monsters, and treasure, and random cables.
This is like 323 pages. I'll be straight with you at the
end of the day. The QuickStart is what you need,
right. I think you have this in a
public school or whatever, but a lot of that stuff realistically
you can just get from the quick start actually playing the game.
This is all you needed. Probably why it's called a quick
start because you can start quick and actually play the game
so we're not going to go over. I'm going to say well like 60 70
% of this book. Yeah we're going to hit, I think
we've agreed. We're going to hit all the way
through everything that would be in the quick start up to like
the 52 page. You too and then we're going to
cruise through some of the gameplay stuff and yeah, I
think, I think that will be. I mean the rest is like listen
if you need treasure and monsters and there's a lot
that's a lot more than your Zeal.
Is a really respectable amount of material for running a game.
I think this is gonna be a good value game because this is so
much shit in this, but you guys run so much to me.
Run so much, you know like yeah there is hold on real quick just
I was just real quick there are like Seven pages of just
treasure in like the treasure section of just like leveled
treasure and then Monday night and it's crazy.
Yeah, you could easily populate a fairly decent sized game world
and not repeat very much using this book and random encounter
tables. I yeah, it's good.
It's a great like it's a great all over tool.
I mean, you definitely only need the one book which I love.
Yeah, yeah, I will. I'm very happy if I ever do
Cider on this. That I do have a quick start and
I'll just look at a rata or like updated PDFs because it's great
as a big resource book. But I'm curious, once I get this
giant toe in my hands, I have a feeling it might be super
playable at the table and I'm really glad that there is a
quick start. We talk about that all the time.
The fact that like you don't listen I don't get the big books
on the table, I get it so I can hold it and go, haha, exactly
for the table. So, yeah, and that's why it's
also nice to have the quick start because this does going to
get to so it's really easy. Yeah, I think I'm gonna I
actually did not back this project, please don't kill me.
Um, I actually don't know how I missed one because I don't even
think I don't even really distinctly.
Remember choosing to not back it, which is weird.
I definitely will, I think I'm gonna get it when it comes out
in full release. I like to get the ziens because
I'm a Zine boy, but you can make a light pledge.
Now, LOL a pledge. Now, you know what, I might not
even be able to, I might even be able to tweet.
I'm not sure if I can but I might be able to My add-ons to
just throw on some of the stuff you want remind me.
Shoot me a message. So yeah, I like it as a
resource. I think that's what was added to
this versus a QuickStart is is stuff stuff.
That is great for if you're trying to run games and let's
go. Yeah, so getting into it again
gorgeous fucking art that I think there's a piece behind
you. Yes, he's got great piece
genuinely such equipment. We're going to talk with our to
bunch and one of the things I really love about this do is
they didn't skimp on page count to not give you full page art.
Yeah, but I will say layout wise it's pretty much a page of all
text or all art. There's not a lot of mix and
it's I don't have an opinion either way about that.
Yeah. I do like the font choice of the
did. I love me a good fucking black
letter like my soul is written in Black letter.
It's gorgeous. This this you just sing like
this. Interesting bar with, like, a
design underneath it. They use a ton.
It's fine. Honestly, I could do, without
the little thing underneath. I'd be fine with the bar.
I don't think anything underneath.
I don't know why. I, you know what I think bothers
me the most is it's very topped off.
Like a feel like it was a piece that was like chop into a
triangle versus the piece. I was drawn to this triangle and
I don't know why it like kind of tweaks me a bit but it's fine.
It's fine. It's my get it.
I get it. I will say that shadow Dark.
The whole kind of vibe story Shadow dark.
A lot of it is told through these little, like slices at the
bottom of the page. There's like a little swath of
art. It almost looks brushed on or
whatever, and then there's like a 11-page little blurb that
goes, here's some Vibe. It's an interesting way to do it
because it's not setting book and this first one says in these
knighted Halls, doom and Glory Bloom.
Eternal, this is the story of The Shadow dark.
And there is a whole page narrative, which a lot of games
do this. I personally love this, I love
the narrative in the beginning, and I love this lot better than
what is an RPG at. This is just a, a story of
characters. And one of the things I do love
about this is that there are a lot of these little narrative
pieces throughout and it uses the same characters love with
love when they do that. Yeah, creig.
Pops up a bunch, not going to read this, but it's, I think
it's great and it's in here, it's great.
Yeah, but basically what it says, it's It's it's people
delving in a dungeon and it gets through the whole point of like
the Crawlers had met their truffaut.
It was all around them, never slowing, never sleeping, never
ending, it was the shadow dark and there's that moment where
they say the title of the movie in the movie.
And you, and then you can't go cuts to the title, really big
across the, you know, exactly. And then it says, what is the
shadow Dart? What is the shadow dark?
The shadow to RPG is a fantasy Adventure game, where you and
your companions delve into buried ruins lost.
He's Spire spider-infested for us and even fearsome Dragon
layers in search of gold and Glory.
So I do like that. They straight up.
Tell you we're gonna go back to that old school.
Vibe of dungeon, delving not playing faction shit in a city
and and all of the stuff that 5e tries to stuff into a combat
game. I do like that.
The purpose of the game is to go into dark scary places and still
shit. Just like real life.
Yeah, I love it. I think that's great.
I think it's, I think it's really great.
What defines? This game?
Speed, danger. And simplicity, I disagree with
Simplicity magic is perilous. The battles are fast and deadly
disagree with that. To being clever, is crucial for
survival Shadow. Dark is a rules light and
intuitive. I disagree with that as well.
I don't know that being ghouls light is 323 page book, even
when you chop everything else out, it's still like it's not
it's not Light, if this is not rules like, buying shirts
imagination. It's not like, like Shadowrun,
you know, like it, no step. Well, I lie there.
Wait, it's a rules video game rules medium, and we've always
had five years, rules medium game like, it's not the heaviest
game ever, but it sure is fucking rules light.
Like, I have a card I have I have I have a business card on
the back of that thing. That's got a whole gamer and on
the back, okay, rules light, this same rules light, it's
really, it's lighter than 5 E. I will say it's lighter than 5 e
total, you know. But It enables light.
I'll say that's right. Up in this game, a torch holds
back, blah, blah, blah. How do you play you roll?
Some dice. We don't need that.
I like, you know, it says, read the basics, go through the
basics. You got characters, you got you
describe an action, you roll some dice, you do some checks,
you make some of that you play in rounds.
Listen, this is fine. Here's the thing, I usually
hate, I usually hate this, right, but hate it.
I usually think a lot of the what is an RPG?
The thing is super, super unnecessary.
I will say for I think a lot of the people are going to play
this game. Have either not played an RPG
before or have only played five E.
Yeah. And I think that, I think this
is people, it's like that. I feel like if you're
transitioning out of 5 e to something else.
So this is rules light. You know like it's slightly less
rules. A slightly lighter rules medium.
I agree. But so this section I feel like
is almost a requisite for a book.
The size. And I like that.
The the it's I think honestly the the fonts just fucking big.
It's not me, right? The fonts big, right?
Yeah, I think so. I mean it's it's an incredibly
readable font. So yeah.
It's, you know, I can actually do like an edit PDF thing here
and tell you what size it is. It's not a size 10.
I don't know if it looks big on the page, I'll tell you that.
Um, but so it goes over movement goes up around.
I like that this everything to be inning because it's one of
those things where this is a nice section of reference and
then it goes over again, all later.
So it talks about dice, it talks about advantage and
disadvantage. Listen, if you've ever played a
dragon game, it's this is I'm going to be straight up because
we talked about this before this dream started.
If you've ever played a dragon game, I think the thing that
strike the what is one word that is that that comes to your head?
If you've ever played a dragon game that you feel about this
game? Under one word.
Mmm, I don't have a word. I've got a sentence but okay.
Which is what, what do you what do you thinking?
Tell me what you're thinking. I think it's just basic.
Oh yeah, yeah. What was your sentence?
What was your simple? Somebody 2020 roll over.
It's fucking D20. Roll over.
I mean like I just like ever if you've never played a dragon
game, you know, there's something about DC and AC and D,
20 roll over and like, I know exactly what this game is.
Its exact. That's what it is.
It's D20 rollover with six stats HP, basic checks and that's it.
That's the whole game. That's really the whole game.
You know what I mean? So, Um, well I was uh that was
the weekly scroll. Most catch y'all next week.
So so yeah. Again, next again, there's no
art on the need to pages and then full-page art and for Paige
Arkin, good full-page are great. So good.
Yeah, it's really modern old-school piece like, you know,
the wizard. The dwarf the halfling and that
or core half pork dungeon delving, you know.
Yeah it's good, it's good, it's good.
Guess what How do you like it? You're the little hobby, dude.
No, I'm the old man. Wizard.
Come on. I don't know.
You don't really talk about you very much now.
Here, right now. Yeah.
So, going into the character section, and then we get another
little slash on the page with this little.
This little Vibe at the bottom, but the wise and foolish will
risk their fortunes and the shadow dark, the darkness decide
to is who let's talk about this real quick.
So, don't talk about it every time it pops up and I'll just
ignore these going for it. There this isn't a setting,
there is no setting. Ooh, this play wherever you
want. I feel like personally for me
with how how hard it pushes like Shadow dark.
I think is an incredibly evocative name.
Great fucking but I think it's a really underutilized name.
Oh my god, dude. Like the the fact that I really
like we are going into the shadow dark and like and yeah.
But yeah, I will say the fact that the only aspects of this
game really that are Arc, or gloomy or horror, or any aspect
of what I thought could possibly be in here with all of these
little blurbs at the bottom that talked about how like dark and
scary stuff is like there is no mechanic in here that reinforces
that at all. Well, there is like a like I
guess there is like a shadow dark map, you can make well
yeah. But like host of the Overland
hex or you talk about just like like in a setting way what I'm
saying? Not just in his setting way in a
game way, right? Like if I make a game that goes
this is really dark, this is really deadly like be scared
like at least something about the game, the game itself to
reinforce that feeling for me gameplay you mechanically
there's not a lot here that's like oh yeah.
Well you know you're poor if you use your torch goes out you
start taking mental damage or whatever, you know, that's what
I'm saying. Like you could strip out all of
the block on this, you can chop out all of these Blurbs about
how the shadow darker so scary and you could call it like pink
world and like the game doesn't change.
I don't think the mechanical gameplay, changes at all.
It is all Vibe and I wish there was a little bit more mechanic
to the shadow dark. Yeah, anything like more horror,
check or like anything, you know.
So, and, and I'm going to try not to talk about it.
A bunch. I feel like the whole concept of
the game, like, narratively was really cool and I really wanted
to See it more in the rules of the game.
Yeah, but anyway, in addition more overview.
I feel like so much of the early part is just like, let me talk
about this and then we talk about it again.
And and that's fine. So an overview of making a
character, you pick a name, you pick An ancestry, which is there
a way to be a little bit more racist about picking a race, or
a little less racist about picking a race.
Here we go. It's kind of last race is
actually the. Yeah, it tries, you know.
I'm just have the mindset of just like don't put that wide
like wide. Give that mechanics at all in my
game, everyone's norc. So yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah. I just like like when I make
games I much prefer to just not talk about it at all and people
can just choose whatever they want to be.
Yeah. But like the fact that there's
any like mechanical benefit or or our burden to like who, like,
how you were born. And it's going to tweak me no
matter what This also tries to their culture and their to it's
fine. It's fine.
And so you pick a name your ancestor your class.
You start at zero level least, 0 or 1, you get XP from shit.
You pick an alignment. And indeed if you need one, you
can earn titles. You pick a background, you roll
your stats, you get HP, you have an AC, you do some attacks, you
get some Talent, you might be able to have some spells you
carry some gear. That's a character.
That's pretty much all you need. No.
Yeah, cool. Go go, go love it.
So starting do you want to do what I do, want to make a
character? Or we do this.
So we can just go over like one class and then we'll just do it.
Probably is one little thing where you're going over that.
There's two, there's two two ways to really start the game.
They're zero level characters and first level characters.
So, zero level is like, you're not even Adventure yet, you just
some schmuck and your fragile. I'm gonna say this, but this
might be one of the things of others me most in the entire Our
game, a zero level character is fragile GM, should see the
gauntlet on page 116 for more Insider and I had to run zero
level characters though. It's just it's a funnel.
It's a the word for the final. Yeah, it's exist for decades.
I don't like that. They want.
They like, they rebranded it to the gauntlet.
Like, what the hell? What's that rule, that somebody
else made? And I'm just, I always call it,
like, all at thing. What it is, you know, yeah, the
whole thing. Yeah.
Like, literally just call the thing, the thing.
I don't like those rebranded because here's the thing is like
if this book where I feel like it's places is a good stepping
stone away from 5e and I think it's also going to be a decent
stepping stone into more of the osr seen.
It feels like a bridge to me. It feels like a bitch all the
thing the thing so that people can cross a bridge because
they're going to think it's a gauntlet and then they're going
to read a funnel and go oh wait what you know I mean just call
it funnel and then people can just start for funnels and find
well I'm sure yeah exactly. And then moving forward they
just are no like okay. Yeah.
Well, we're gonna run a funnel. Yeah, I love the volunteer.
Yeah. So there's two different ways to
do this and I think it's interesting.
What they did it. I don't have an opinion either
way on whether I like it or not. So if you're a zero level
character, right? You start with a thing called
beginner's luck and you can wield all gear until first level
because basically you're just swinging with hope, right?
And there is a complete breakdown of like what you get
or what you start with stats. A choice of ancestry hitpoints
background alignment starting Gear with page numbers.
For each of those sections which are hyperlinked seriously.
Good job, great job. And then, and that is on one
side of the page. And it says, zero level
characters reach first, after they survived their first
Adventure, great. And then on the other side of
the page is first level characters and everything that
you get, which is what we just talked about for stats ancestry
class one Talent. Roll you figure out your HP, you
get a background to get alignment.
You get a title and you get your starting gear.
I like the way this page is broken down.
I think it's a great explainer. Yeah, kind of like, Beginner's
luck. I do.
I love it. I think it's fine.
I don't, you see what this, except the words The Gauntlet.
Yeah, I think I, well, I think the first time I do this, I
didn't love it now because I'm like, I'm like, I don't know.
I'm trying, it's not that try to be.
Punishing them like my player character but like, you know, I
do. Yeah.
Wait, I really like that? It's like, you know, you can
really adjust like. Yeah, pick up, pick up whatever
and swing and see how you feel about it.
And then, you know, later when you love, love, it's like pick,
you know? Yeah.
And I like that, I think it's fine.
I because again, Try to look at this through a lens of.
I generally think the majority of the 13,000 people, the back.
This have only played five e. I'm going to be honest.
Like I don't think a ton of people that are super deep in
the 0s are are picking this up. You know what I mean?
Like I do like that, it is a bridge and I think that if you
are as brutal as like DC and a funnel Adventure, that is
off-putting to people that don't already or the lips.
You bet that have that have a different Contact, if you've
never done a game and then you go into DC funnel and that's
like kind of your early experience, that's what you know
is experience. But if you play 5e where it's
impossible to die and then suddenly you're thrown into a
DCC funnel, I think there's going to be a thing in your
head. That goes why is it so hard?
You know what I mean? Like, I just did there.
I just took a group of people that were like, I've only played
osr and half a played D&D before through a funnel adventure and
all the 2D, Indie, guys, like good.
This isn't like I prepped him beforehand.
I was like, Hey, I was like, you're gonna die Bunch.
So try to make it like, The most ridiculous death you can and
they could not hang. The other two were like.
Yeah. That's fucking hilarious.
But yeah. I think that that's an
incredibly valid point. Yeah.
I just think, I think again, I
try to look through this lens, has a middle ground, and I think
they do succeed at making a middle ground.
It's just, you know, you know, both of us.
Like, I would, I just want to. I just want to go harder, but I,
that's not the purpose of this game.
I don't think, right? Or it's not so, So, stats is the
first thing we do for your character, right?
So stats, it's the standard six, right?
Strengthened ex-con intelligence, wisdom, Charisma.
You know what they all do. We do need to talk about them.
So, determine your character stats were all 36 in order for
each one. Note each total of modifier on
your character sheet optionally, if none of your stats are 14 or
higher, you may roll a new set of six numbers.
So this is a standard 3D six straight down.
And you do your thing. So do, let's do the way that
got, do it the way that they tell you to do it.
So, strength, first 15, this is fighting all that kind of stuff.
So, 15 and your modifier is a plus 2, right?
So there's stats and there's modifiers.
It's the thing I hate most about D20 rolled over it in, just one
thing I hate the most about these control over as well.
So 1, 2 3 is a minus 4 and if your stats all the way up to an
18 plus 2 plus 4. So, next is your decks and that
shooting a bow and balancing and flipping and all that kind of
stuff. What did you get z1000?
I assume 10-0. Yep.
And then I didn't even look. I just like, I know how this
works. That's the way.
It's like. So, it's so ingrained.
I'm just like, I know. This is hard.
Yeah. So 10 is considered average.
You start your - has at 8:00 to 9:00 and then every two you add
one is you up. So 12 to 13 is plus 1. 14 to 15
plus 2 etcetera etcetera. So what'd you get for cotton 14?
So plus 2 plus 2. All right intelligence.
I got a seven so I minus 2. Damn.
My plan was there, done that, you'll find a wizard wisdom.
So intelligence is wizard spells and being smart.
Wisdom is pre spells and and, and like Street Smart stuff.
I got so wisdom 13. So was that +1 +1?
Yep. And then Charisma and Cha-Cha
one more roll. I guess I got an eight so you
are. Yeah.
You're fucking just a dumb very strong.
I have a good con. I am very wise, but incredibly
dumb. And I'm like, yeah, so you're
dumb. Unlikable of a street.
Smarts, I think that's pretty much Sharia there is.
There is actually a page of Art in the text on this page rare.
Yeah, there's a thief climbing wall.
So there's a climbing a wall who doesn't?
So you start with stats. The next you go to is Yeap so
ancestry is are like we said, it is just the basic races, like
the fact that they call it ancestry and try to pretend,
that sort of culture to it. You're just like, you're just,
you're just, just call a horse a horse.
Like, if you're going to use races, it's fine.
That people don't like the word races and want to call it
ancestors. And said, if you're going to go
old-school, Vibe, I guess you need this in there.
That's fine, it's basic, there's dwarfs, there's elves goblins.
There's half-orcs. There's halflings and there's
humans. Everyone has a little
descriptor, like the osc approach and like it's not the
OSU, I think it's older than that, but like the whole like
race has class You're the party elf.
You're like the elf, you know that's your class is L, you
know, it's interesting, I've never I know it, I've read it,
I've never played it. Are we talking from like a
socially acceptable standard ambient?
I'm going to say, I don't know why I feel like in my head in my
heart that I kind of like that better.
I don't know why either. But I also like and please, if
you're listening to this, feel free to disagree and send us
what your thoughts are because I would listen, but I also weird
Feel better about that. Like, I mean, like you're if
you're gonna be like so culturally and and like
physically, whatever different. Then I feel like the you should
play into that entirely not like like dip a toe.
You know saying I just did. I think it's that like because
it's a class, it makes it completely fair and even be as
all of the classes have ups and downs and like, positive and
negative and it has nothing to do with like, you know, The your
your birth right? Like but okay climbing looking
for it. I just don't more question for
me. And once again, no, I don't know
why I feel like, I like that better.
But yeah. So basically, every, every one
of these critical ancestor. He's even though it talks about.
Like this is your culture to. Where does talk about that?
Like when you look at this like where is culture brought into
this? Oh, oh, I didn't even realize
that because it says that earlier it sounds.
This is your end. This Is your, it's like the like
dwarfs our star will solve our folk Esther.
He is the stone kingdoms. They carve inside mountains,
just in case you didn't know. Again, I feel like if you're, if
you're gonna, if you're gonna, if you're gonna say like if
you're going to try to like bring the concept of ancestry in
and really bring like culture and stuff and separate it from
the concept of race. All they did was all, they
didn't do anything different, they just called race ancestry
and then just did the race stuff anyway.
So like they just renamed It. They didn't fix the, the issue
that people have, when they species.
Right. Exactly.
And that's what comes down to. So, so each one gets one thing.
So like dwarves get Stout, like elves, get farsight half works,
are Mighty, it's it's, it's classic and basic and fine.
So what are you picking? Oh hurry, I'm making a
character. Um, Let's see, I'll go as a
goblin, okay? So green cover beings, who
thrive in dark, cramped, places, as Fierce as are tiny, you know,
Common and Goblin and you can't be surprised.
So I'm Ready. The black tongue Thief right
now, and then we go about the world right after the goblin
war. Pretty good.
There you go. There's a little blurb here at
the bottom that gives a tiny bit of setting.
I guess at the end of the primordial age, Mortals rose up,
and that's fine. There's also happens in humans.
Human is ambitious. You're bold adaptable and
diverse people who learn quickly and accomplish Mighty Deeds, you
know, the common language in one additional.
Common language. You gain one additional Talent
role at first level. I mean, let's come on you.
Call it ancestry in the new made humans as problematic as you
possibly could. Like, like they are the ones
that accomplish Mighty deeds, and they are ambitious, and get
more talents than everybody else.
I mean, come on, there is a great piece of art here at the
bottom in a Tavern with a bunch of different with with all of
the Goblins towards everything, basically, all of the equal
called ancestries are on the page.
Yeah, that's great. So then you're going to pick a
class, we don't need to go over all of the individual classes.
Let's just go through the one class that you would pick.
So the classes are, and I'm just going to the bookmark for this.
There's only four. They would try to go Joel floral
with. Yeah, they try to go old school
with that. And I like that because I think
the classes as archetypes is a better idea than a million
fucking classes. Like honestly, I love Paladin's
but Paladin's aren't in this. Terry class in competition.
Like, they could just be lumped in with, clerics as a subclass,
and I would be fine. So fighter, super classic
priest. And then you've got the thief,
and then you have the wizard standard for classes, perfect.
You don't need anything different.
If you're playing a western fantasy D20 rolled over.
That's what that's, that's what you need.
So what are you going with? Um, you know, we're going to
break the mold tonight. We're gonna go with the thief
thief, man. Well, you didn't really role for
Wizard. I know that you really wanted to
write one. I have a high strength.
Let's go fighter Goblin fighter? Okay.
All right, so, we'll roll back up.
I do love the layout Parts in here.
We're like, after each class, they give you a full page piece
of art again. Like, I think the lack of art on
the pages is really made up for with like full pitch are
constantly. Look so fighter, blood-soaked
Gladiators and dented armor, acrobatic duelist with darting
swords or far I element archers. Who carved their Legends with
steel and grit. You get all weapons.
You get all armor, you get 128 per level hit points, you get
hauler, which means you add your Constitution mod.
If positive to your gear slots, they did inventory better.
We'll get to that weapon Mastery.
You choose one type of weapon such as longsword, you gain plus
one to attack and damage without weapon.
In addition, add half your level to these rolls around it down
and then you get grit you to strength or Dex you have
advantage on checks of that, type to overcome an opposing
Force, such as kicking open a stuck door, which is strength or
slipping free of Rusty chains. So what, what are we doing here?
So, one to get per level, we're starting a first level roll, a
d8, To you add your con modifier to your gear slots.
So what your con mod + 2. So you get to your you're
strong. You carry a bunch of shit.
Choose a weapon type. What are you gonna go with?
Um, what are the weapon types? Just it's a very top.
I'm pretty sure. I think it just feels like a
longsword and acts. Like I'm gonna go with a javelin
interesting. And that's interesting.
Is a spear, okay, okay. And so you get plus one to
attack and damage with all of your Spears.
In addition, add half your level to these rolls around it down so
you get another one. So that means like at level 5
you get plus 3 Ritu all the tax interesting.
And then, I assume you're going to choose strength for your
Grit. Yes.
Yeah. So any time you're doing it says
I like I kind of like this overcoming an opposing Force so
basically if you're trying to push something kick, something
like you're trying to do something where like you're
overcoming something, I like that.
I think it's interesting. Yeah, and then you get a you get
a fighter Talent so you get to roll to D6.
And you know I love you to D6 that means they really want you
to get that plus 22 strength because that's seven and nine
that's the sweet spot on the bell curve and I guess what I
got, 3700 the exactly what I said.
Yeah. Yeah.
Plus it has an x-torq on.
Oh, I think we're taking to con cons them.
Become a 17, which makes it a plus 3.
Plus they go. Yeah.
So then I mean you make you're
going to be hauling shit. There are at the bottom here,
says nothing sire. This fucking Goblin you've ever
seen. Oh, bro, like a fucking
meatball. You are a tank.
Yeah, five foot tank. Nothing.
Sing sweeter than a whistling. Xjl Orban Warfighter, bunch of
quotes from Dork, Jordan in here.
So yeah, then a great P. Honestly, this could be you
because this is the goblin, am I wrong?
No that's an orc for sure. Oh you're right.
That Hunter was an orc. Yeah great these are thought I
love this one specifically there's the priest you pick a
deity. They have some spell-casting,
they got turned on dead classic regular stuff there seven and
nine is just plus 22 spells. It's fine.
It's so pretty. Priests in Wizards, both have
magic casting in this Wizards just have a little bit more.
There's no, like half Caster. There's nothing.
I think it's like one more of everything.
Anything pretty much. So there are priests, he spells
the thief, you get backstab, which is basically when you
have, when you attack your creature unaware, add an extra
weapon died and add additional weapon, dice of damage equal to
half your level. So there's consistency in the
way that they give each class, they're like little bonus,
right? So you have your weapon Mastery.
You get to add a +1 + like half your level back side gets to add
damage plus like Level. I like that there is consistent
through the way, the classes feel relatively, well balanced
what they don't get is necessary at all.
But like this guy, I mean, I like a symmetric classes when
they exist when they come. Well.
I think the Electra Mark has a really great example and I like
classes that when you play across the game you like, hey,
this is the same game. It feels like the same game.
Yeah, different. Yeah.
But I also have no problem with with with, with the consistency
to the mechanic showed with that, they chose Chose to do
these. I think they're fine.
I think they're like, I like when it's like, I like both.
I do like when it's consistent, you know like, yeah, I think
this is, again, this is fine. This is, it works.
It's like again, if you've read any version of D&E and you've
played any version of a drinking game dungeon game again.
None of this is new or different for you.
You're going to read this and go.
Yep. Okay, yep.
Okay, make sense right? The whole as I was reading this,
I was like yep. Yep, yep.
Yeah, totally yeah, again great Piece of beef are wizard, you
get to learn spells, you get to learn languages, you have a D4
per level of hit points with John, is a you roll the to so
you're gonna do any better again.
That's a goblin wizard for one hundo on that page, right?
Yeah, yeah. Ma wrong.
That's yeah, no, that definitely is a goblin.
Was I was thinking, I'm sorry. I was thinking that my stats for
intelligence or like, a - so I should just take the wizard.
You feel like you're fucking idiot, like you're the dumbest
desert on Earth, the world. See, I love that.
That's a great way to roll flaws and stuff.
That's at that one. Awesome.
Also, you can tell you can see right off the bat, you only go
to level 10, which thank God because honestly, no one ever
plays past eleven anyway whenever they pass five.
I mean, that's very true. You started three and play 25 in
the you stop playing. Um I like that.
It goes to that to that again talents for everything.
Then you get to pick a background backgrounds are fine.
I think these are pretty much just narrative.
Your background, Knowledge, and Skills might prove Fall work
with the Gia to determine if your background provides you
advantages in a given situation. Do they are?
Don't they just say like if you say hey yeah you know what I
mean? Like work with a janitor man if
it does just say like your gym, like you get advantage in
certain situations based on your background, the GM will tell you
when is very different than work with you GM to determine if it
provides you Advantage. Like I feel like what it's
saying is you can get Advantage for this but I feel like you
want or be definite language in that.
In that part right there, it's very wishy-washy because it's
just like so then do I II can I get advantage or a do I have to
ask the GM if that's an option, you know, I mean so, anyway,
roll a D20 son. Roll a D20.
Story of my life. I roll the 9000 Goblin Warrior.
You are a dumb as fuck swollen shit.
Noble Gatlin Warrior and you're famous.
You're famous name, has opened many doors for you.
Good job alignment, I hate it. Obviously, their version.
This is weird on their version. I like alignment.
So I think I think I think the Alignment is fucking dumb.
Don't mind this. It literally is 3 because it is
all you fucking need. And I like the way that they
describe it a lot better chaotic, lawful and neutral
because everyone in their fucking mom.
Just goes, I'm chaotic neutral. I can do whatever I want.
Whenever I want that. You're not your.
That's the most like basic economic choice you ever make.
So I like that this to. It says, it defines your role in
the class versus good and evil. It breaks it down into three
things. As law, which is benevolence.
They also which is malevolence and neutrality which is right
down the middle. I don't I like this much better
and I it's I just find it better.
I like the concept of like a awesome law more than a good and
evil. And I really like chaos and law
and I like both of them being evil because they both our God,
our handy lawful. If I if I was Let's say I was a
super powerful wizard in fucking Dandy World.
I'd be a lawful evil as fuck. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Now, if I had power double the fuckers, again, blasted, it just
all the time. Like, if you're like, if you're
holding up the line at the airport Fireball like dunzo, you
know, anyway, so that's great. Didi's I'm fine with these.
I think they're I think again, this is almost all just, it's
all narrative. It's interesting that they Did
you throw in, like, what amounts to, like, kind of setting
information, but like this is kind of it.
I think in, like the expanded, like the cursor, Scrolls stuff,
some of the, some of the expanded shouted, our stuff
there's more setting stuff, so it's interesting but it's
basically just a big list of deities the the dark Trio, The
Lost. I think, the way that they did,
it is cool. I think whoever wrote the
narratives are this are fine when I read them, I thought they
were interesting. I thought they were cool.
I thought there were serviceable, I have no issues
with any of these. Her thoughts.
Oh what DMI picking a deity for my God?
No, you don't have to just in general.
Like when you did you read that he's eats its funnier finds
their fine. Fine.
Yeah, yeah. All right.
I was not that the art piece on here, though.
We hold on our piece, though, with, like, the sound the
special night knife out. Yeah, yeah.
That's. These are peace.
Talks tremendously. Yeah, that's a, that's a thick
Delver and I don't know what they're sacrificing because
there's nothing on that table, but it's a cool piece of art.
Yeah, elevens. Yeah.
This, you know what, I don't know.
Why them, what immediately Pops in my head is like sirsa Victory
because, like, a lot of sources, a lot of his stuff is like
personally and I'm wrong from the back.
I see this as probably a female Adventurer and if not this
dude's got junk in the trunk, but a lot of their stuff like,
you know, he writes, as he writes, you know, a lot of the
adventures and language from her and stuff like that, like yeah.
Push the pro news, which is great and a lot of our pieces he
has is like female Rogue doing stuff.
Nothing good. Liam says that as well.
It's a lot of fun. Yeah.
Yeah I mean there's so much in the opposite like why why who
like why wouldn't you care? So you know I can it's good.
But this piece my salt immediately made me go.
I can see this on the cover of like a source of soreness
Adventure. Yeah.
Totally shouts are so yeah, sir, sir, shut up.
So shut rocking that Star City my way.
I should have, I don't know where my source of Victory shirt
is. I bet she's hanging up nicely
with my 50 of the blackshirts, right?
Idol titles are interesting. Tell me about titles titles are
there? You know, I think it's
interesting that they level up with you.
That's pretty cool, right? Level like for my Fighter, the
famous Squire babak, Lynn, the super buff dumb fighting Goblin.
Yeah, it's called, they have it divided up, you know, I don't
know when I would really reference this at the table
immediately. Here's the thing.
As I have talked to sirsa, Huh? A lot sir.
It listen real quick. Shout out.
If you don't know source of Victory go check out bottom just
search to Victory go there. Each page they have a lot of
fucking amazing stuff. We're going to talk about the
more towards the end with some more Shadow dark stuff like
that. But amazing game designer
amazing. Like just a just a font of game
knowledge. And one of things we recently
talked about was things that you get as rewards and one of the
things that you eat that is considered a reward is like
titles and Glory. So With you can, when you're
gifted something. That makes you go.
I sound fucking cool now, right? I think, yeah, I love that for
me though. No, well, here's here's my
problem with this is, It's not that it exists, it's not that.
Because it says, as you gain levels, your title changes to
reflect your increase in fame or infamy, your Legend, precedes.
You here's a title. My problem is all of the words
that they use at the bottom, all of them, they dies, the
thesaurus to the word fighter and slap them all in here,
because To me, you know it's 1 2 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 to 10, right?
I look at neutral all the way the right, okay, and in order.
Those like 12345 things, whatever its Warrior, barbarian
battle rager, War, Chief and Chieftain, okay, four of those,
to me. Right are incongruent.
They are separate classes. There are subclasses.
They're not an advancement of a warrior, you know, you like,
when you look at lawful Squire to Cavalier tonight, They ain't
there is a bit of an actual like progression to it, that's very
true. Yeah, but in, in the same thing
with with chaotic knave Bandits Lair, evil warlord, I feel like
there's a progression to it, the neutral ones, all just sound
like different types of Fighters.
So like, I feel like there's a little bit of a lack or loss and
I didn't even realize the one now that you're playing on Mike.
Oh yeah, you were right for me personally.
It's just like, if you're going to give them titles, give them
titles based on cheese, you know, No, like you're sewing so
the killer of the Dunwich Horror, whatever.
You know, I Slayer of Dunwich Horror or like savior of the
realm or what that whatever. But like do it based on like the
things that they do in obtaining, our Master of the orb
of ponderous, you know, or whatever.
Yeah, I completely hear you're coming from.
I think it's just I think it's just a different.
I think the word title is the problem, you know?
And like It is the problem, I think if it wasn't called tight
because I, when I think title, I think the same as you.
I think I want to be Bobgoblin the swirl Goblin Master of the,
you know, whatever the three rivers or some shit.
You know what I mean? Like, that's antithetical to me,
I want to list at the end, some of the dude comes out with a
parchment it to get 500. Every, that's 100% where I am
so, these don't. And I don't, I can't think of
the word that I would use for this instead because I don't
feel like that's what this, Is. Yeah.
Or at least the explanation. And then what the words that use
for? It feels in Congress.
Me. Yeah, there's something.
But what would you what would you call besides title?
Like this is more like could this not achievement?
It's not like they're not going to be like your body is the
right word but I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I
don't know. But I don't this I like the
concept I don't necessarily like the way that they present it.
I think it's fine. I don't think people are gonna
be as picky as we are about it but I do I prefer we exactly
baby's head so that's why we're allowed to be.
It's our podcast. About 150 of these things and
you're like, I have opinions now.
Yeah, I'm saying, but like visiting to is like, when you
look at some of the other ones, like, when you look at like
Thief, right? Like robber, Outlaw, Rogues,
Renegade, Bandit King, I'm fine with that.
There's a progression, right? But when you look at something
like footpad burglar, Rook underboss boss.
There's a bit of a progression there Thug, Cutthroat, shadow
assassin, right? Like I feel like I don't know.
Some of these have that some of them don't like shopping
centers. Neutrals, kind of got fucked
over. Yeah, but I Look at the wizard
neutral to shamans here. Warden Sage Druid, there is no
progression. Those are five completely
different things. So like I just felt like there
was a little bit of like I like what they're trying to do is
don't necessarily like the execution of this Sage be
greater than Druid like when that be with a beetroot and then
media stage. Yeah.
So like yeah, I mean but like when you look at lawful
Apprentice conjurer archanis Mage.
Archmage honestly, what's the difference between a conjurer on
Arkansas in a mage? Like Apprentice I get archmage I
get what are the difference between In the middle three in.
I mean, so like I said, like again, I like the concept, I
don't like how it works. I would probably wouldn't even
use this like this is just something I would drop
languages. They exist, who care languages.
Yep, yep. So there's all these all the
languages you would think are here are here once again it's
pretty basic. If you played a dungeon game 80%
of this you already fucking though like there's that's 80%
of it is not new to to anyone. So starting gear.
So how many gear slots do you get?
Because you're, you have a million fucking con.
Oh, what is it for? Starting here is zero level
character. Start with one D, four of the
following items. Where's the first level
character one? Absolutely.
Yeah, you can carry a number of items equal to your strengths
that or 10 whichever is higher. I don't like that.
Let people have bad stuff, you can't have less than 10.
I don't like that, I get why it's in this game like again
this is like osr light, right? Like this is a punishing at all
but it's got the concepts of punishment in it, you know.
I mean they threatened to beat you with the belt.
You never really get hit with the belt.
Yeah, no. I am We gotta get plus two as
well from being a fighter. So, I am 19 inventory, slots
row. This is why your swallow, cause
you just carrying so much shit. I just, he always has so much on
his person that he just gets stronger.
Your calves are fucking bullshit as if unless noted all gear,
besides typical clothing fills, one gear slot here, that it's
hard to transport may feel more than one eye, so your slots, I
thought I did great. So go Levi, so good, I think
it's all good. Personally, that's for me,
19-year sauce is too many 100% of your half of your strength.
So here's the here's what I love and don't love one, love idiot,
gear slice because I can tell you in every fucking game of
five year. I ever ran within the first
three sections. They find it back to home.
Is it back? Don't worry about that shit.
Is carrying 300 pounds of shit on them and no one worries about
encumbrance. What the fuck am I?
I love inventory systems gears. Lots of the perfect way to do
shit. You are 100% right?
It's too much shit still. The the whole point was to
simplify inventory and then you give people 20 fucking things to
carry anyway. That's kind of like fuck.
I don't know about. Yeah, I got 20 things in here.
I'm right. And really small on my character
sheet because I so many things. My fucking inventory.
It's like it. I like the attempt to fix.
Sit. But I don't think it really fix
the issue, so your slots are better than a bag.
Full of shit with wait so glad there's not waiting here but
again too many too many slots so you you get to start with a
bunch of bunch of gear so is zero level characters are with
1D for I think there's a separate page for what first of
all characters get, but why don't you just roll one D for
d12's or just like, it's just basic shit.
I mean if you want to, you absolutely can but you can
literally carry every one of these 12 things because you have
W. I could.
Yeah and I'd still have seven slots left man.
Yeah, his basic adventuring here, it's torch dagger, so
arrows rope, you know. So if you're a first level
character, your start with 2D six times five gold pieces to
buy gear. Oh, there you go.
Yeah, see Gear Page 34. Yeah.
All we have to do is read a little farther again, maybe
there are. Maybe there is a little bit more
art on some of these pages in the pages than I thought it was
because there's yet another 155 gold, nice and you can carry my
own things. So and then your AC, nothing
cost anything in this. So it's like, yeah, I've got, I
got five mirrors. Um, your AC is 10 plus your
deck. So we're doing a sending
standard ass, my Mac 10 plus 2X, what your decks It's a it's zero
when armor changes are AC, its standard.
Like, it's like it's 10 plus 2X plus.
Plus AC, there's a list here of gear arrows lanterns, basic
shit. And then there is a page of what
it is, what it cost and how many slots it has which is fine,
almost everything is one, almost everything is one.
And I like that, that's fine. Like what happens in armor,
become a little bit more expensive but they all the basic
stuff is like. Yeah.
At one, you know, already one which is far, big fine.
Yeah, bro. When 5e like, has like such a
massive fucking gear list and then you like, you figured out
kind of like how the gold standard works and you go a
shovel cost $200. Yeah.
Like what the fuck like this was a work like this?
I think this is fine. I love the whole way that they
do gear for the most part. You know, I hate list of costs.
The fact that everything is like five or less speaks to me, just
find this is a simplified way to do it all.
Yeah. We issue our really have the
entire gear slot system. Is it?
You have too many fucking slots. Yeah, because that is like it's
to meet wage. Isn't it's impossible to start
with less than 10 impossible to sort of lesson 10?
Yeah it is. I like the idea that being
limited. I think limitations like give
you a lot of fun. There's like fuck.
I can only bring so many things like, well, my bring a bag of
caltrops. Yes.
And then because I know I only have like five things with me
and one of those bad cops like, oh, perfect were I'm chasing my
Throne back because, you know, a lot of the problem with D&D and
like, and when you have a lot of stuff in your Mentor, he's you
might have really usable clever, like, stuff, Be Clever with and
you'll never use it because you have no idea what's what you
have to put three pages to see what you think and have.
The number of times people are like, wait a minute.
Like, oh shit, remember that? Like 50 like t-shirts, we got
like six months ago. Let's just dump those like, who
gives a fuck. Um, but again, like I don't like
that. It is strength, whatever.
Or ten whichever is higher. Like you just said, the whole,
the whole concept of Shadow dark.
You going to scary dark places, you shouldn't have.
It shouldn't be the beginning of fucking Monty Python.
Where the dude has a backpack up to the top there.
Like, you know, click and click clackety clack in the way, you
know. Yeah, I don't mind this curling
kit situation. I hate what we'll get to in a
second. I hate the whole crawling thing
called 7gp uses seven gears, thoughts, and contains the
following The items, literally all of this shit 7gp.
So you you still get three on top of this backpack.
Flint and steel torch rations. Iron spikes, grappling hook
rope. That's fine.
And it's 7gp even though the
total cost of it's wet, like 20-ish fine.
It's cool good. I like that armor leather.
Chain plate. Even then, like leather armor is
only 10 GPU. What you would you start with
55? Yeah, yeah.
And again, this is basic a shit. 11, 13, 15, Yeah, the penalties
to swimming disadvantage to stealth.
It's fine. It's the way that everything
fucking works list of weapons more so than I think the
beginning, whatever cost type range damage, properties, pretty
basic, variants of all of that shit.
It's me Brenda dungeon game, you know how it works.
You know how versatile works? You know, how thrown worked?
You know, they shoot character name generator.
Well, we're going to have to there was not go to the island.
So you're so you're a God, your little gobby boy.
It's a D20. 17. I am, we think think, think ice
you all stink? No surname.
Okay, well, I'll just be think we'll just roll roll.
Another one. I'm just be to the two of those
things. I roll the 17 Again.
So you're think I'm love it. Thank you our Fink Fink.
Yeah. Level advancement.
This is pretty straightforward experience.
You get XP from doing stuff, XP is based on the quality of the
treasure and Boons. You gained during a session GM's
should be awarding XP and there's a sheet for guidance so
straight up. XP is gold.
Am I Wrong? Uh, treasure.
Yeah, yeah. Why I like that?
I like that. Like, I like that.
It's totally fine for me the to gain a level.
You need to earn your current level X 10, X P.
Once you reach a new level, your total XP resets, back to zero.
You get in a new titles. You get a.
It's interesting that it's, it's XP awards are based on the
quality of The treasure and Boons you gained during a
session but it's not x amount of gold.
No, it's just um it's just a what is that?
That's a quality of all the shit that you bring back.
Like it's not just like Fifty gold pieces because I don't mind
that because they're basically like it makes you where you
don't have to sit down and go like here's 50 gold plus 10 gems
plus. It's not like it kind of.
It kind of makes it a bit easier.
I do like the idea. I love this part where it says,
to gain a level, you need to earn your current level time. 10
once you reach a new level, your total XP resets back to zero.
So like are you done? Yeah, level up at 10 XP to get
that. When I read a game that has XPS
like yeah for level tends. 10,000 XP.
It's like your dick. Just let it be.
Yeah, bracelet. It's like but for 1111.
You have to get to 13 thousand three hundred and seventy two
like a chart and five. He's one of the stupidest
fucking thing about the levels, right?
Right? And then you level up it and
guess what? At 10, 20, 30, 40 50.
Oh wait a minute at 10:00. It's 100.
It's just it just progressively gets to do more and that's how
it should be and it's fine. And then basically every other
level you get to add another Talent.
That's it. That's advancement.
You know what? That's one.
That's fantastic. Stop giving people a million
fucking things. Yeah.
Kazoo. Miss talents.
Now, your old one, you got your quote-unquote talent.
Was your increase strength. Oh, that's right.
Oh, it's Roll Another. Yeah, yeah, okay, carrying one.
Roll on your classes, Talent table, when you reach the
indicate levels, duplicate talents stack.
You can end up with like plus six straight like that gets to a
be ridiculous. I don't like really not a fact.
I mean there's Ali since its to D6 and we know it's going to
savor. Yeah the middle of the bell
curve my hair Ola you could roll a seven and nine every time you
turn your human which you immediately at level one to
another Talent. Yeah.
You could immediately get plus 4 yeah to a sound like 30
strength. Yeah like but The thing is like,
there's nothing that talks about going over plus for like that.
I maybe, maybe I missed it, but like, what's the point of having
20? Ford?
I would just keep adding the numbers like, because that's how
math works every to you just get another one right?
Yeah. Um, so yeah.
And then increase HP Troy or classes hitpoints die and add it
to your maximum HP. You know what?
Ramona, one of my favorite things about the level of the
intima system. And this entire is what if it's
a one fucking page. Yeah, it's pretty nice.
So, I don't need all this shit. I don't need.
Million subclasses. I don't need all of that
bullshit. Like I will say, this is
extremely simplified compared to 5e for character generation, and
I do like that. I know that a lot of people love
of melee and fucking fighter subclasses because it is super
easy to build a cleric, you know what I mean?
But like, I do like that, they super simplified, it makes it
easy. And I do love the next section 2
random characters use these tables are randomly generate 0
and possibly characters. Yeah, like this, yes, This is a
good part, if you die, which is possible in this game.
Here's like Haiku whatever to see this real quick.
You know, all you got you're going through what they call
funneling, this Gauntlet a gauntlet you know either go up
another Gauntlet character. Yeah, cool.
Yeah that's it. I do like a lot of the time.
They constantly reference back to other stuff.
We're all your stats. It gives you the staff
hyperlink. And the page number background
talents, like every time you need it, I feel like they do.
Throw it in there like the layout on this.
Like, as far as like navigability, they did a really
fucking bitch. Am I really good job.
Definitely a really fantastic. Look at this wizard aren't here,
dude. Yes like this wizard.
All right yeah there's a lot of really good art in this.
Got that good old school dungeon feel without having too much of
an old-school like like you know let's go arts does not hold up
very well it kind of looks like crap now but yes great I just
feel like there is an actual style to this, which I enjoy
because listen finish. An art lesson is pretty.
It's the same evidence Socrates, it's way too pretty.
It's way to clean up in peace. I'm looking for some dungeon
Punk art. You know?
Every fucking piece just looks like someone did some concept
art procreate like every fucking piece like he's like, if you
look at every piece of art in the five ebook, it looks like
it's been done with the same fucking person.
Yeah. So magic.
Do you have a lot to say about Magic?
It's a like Vance Ian casting system with spell slots, and
yeah, I mean it is exactly the reason that I looked for a
different games to play from five because I was like man, you
know what being a wizard and 5 e and d and e is not satisfying.
So it's fun, it's cool. I do like there's a couple
tables where it's like mishaps and their tier.
Yeah, they're great. I like the fact that like as it
gets more powerful the what can go wrong also gets worse and
like, actually it's probably my favorite part of the casting
system altogether. Is that like if I go balls to
the wall and throw everything at the enemy and I roll and I fuck
up, I miss fire and I have to roll on the mishap, you know,
it's good, it's good. Yeah, it's really good.
I think that one thing I noticed on them is and I only went
through, like, once or twice really quickly is that I kind of
wish there were worse options, you know?
Yeah. Again, it's the, it's the
concept of punishment without being punishing.
Yeah, like Dread, right? So I roll a 12 on the tier 5
mishap table. You terribly, what page are you
on real quick show 48. Okay.
Shred, um, you tear a large hole in the fabric of the universe
close to you. The lightless tear grows larger
every round. I mean that's cool from a story
perspective, but you know, it's really cool.
If you play the Warhammer 40K, tabletop RPG, and you're a
Caster in that and you roll on there, like misfire table for
casting, a 100, and it opens up a whole new table where
everything's bad. So like it, everything is like a
very immediate consequence that you actually have to feel.
I don't know. I think it's fun.
I mean, I think for people who play this game like I play like
games where you're gonna die every like so often it's very
normal things, but for those are things really good, you know, I
think it's fun. I think it says, you're staying,
I better than 5 e, so that's good.
Yeah, I think, I think it's fine.
I think it's neat. Here's the thing, it's just like
everything else. It's exactly what I expected.
Yes, exactly. What I expected.
And as casting it, Just a fucking check it.
In check its wisdom. Check, there's critical
successes. There's DC's like in the success
and failure is fine, crystals. Look, 6s is fine.
You may double one of the Spells numerical effects whether that's
it's damaged or its rounds or whatever.
Easy simple fine, it's fine. I do like this.
Yeah, critical failure, talk about focus and all the rest of
the stuff in space leg and easy version of concentration which I
always fucking hated, it's whatever.
Um, I will say pinions, It's the GM determine the exact nature of
the pin and she must undertake based on your DVD and Alignment
pins requires a holy Quest. So pretty spells for critical
failures. If the spell was a priest by
your DD is greatly displeased and revokes its powers, you
can't cast that spell again until you complete ritualistic,
Penance to your DD and successfully complete a rest,
okay? Then it talks about what
penances, right? Penis requires a holy Quest,
ritualistic atonement or material sacrifice that you
donate or destroy. Subversive Penance such as
donating your sacrifice to a party member.
Only this pleases your DD further.
I don't know how I feel about this.
I feel like I don't I don't know why I'm torn like it's a kind of
a mechanical bit of like narrative which I like that
part. You like I do like it's like
yeah I mean now you guys need to divert from what you're doing
and you go to the shrine is nearby.
It's like in the to the wrong directions, where you're going
to go and you need to clean out the shrine from whatever
inhabiting it to like as you're in it.
So, you know, and I liked I liked that that brings your DD
into the game. Like yeah, I do like that.
You know, law chaos. Like it's the way that like
lawful Paladin should like I'd never worried if the only time
that I ever worried about alignment ever in 5 years Zone,
plays a lawful good Paladin, only time.
Because as soon as you jaywalk your Spell's are fucking gone
motherfucker. Like for this, maybe, if you're
going to do something as open Forum, as Penance.
Yeah, giving a little roll table of like, here's what.
Here's some here. Like, is there more stuff?
There's a sacrifice. There's a list of things.
Could be, there's some sacrifice values.
There might be some, there might be some more stuff than Jim
section. We can go over.
Like, this is not lack for roll tables.
I just, I don't mind the whole concept.
It's fine. I don't know.
It's fine. I mean, wizards were all the
mishap table priests to pin it. I think that's a good way to
split it. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you right
now. The one thing that I really love
the bottom of each mishap table, like has a page border, that's
different for each one, which I really love on page 46 at some,
like some like Goblin or Some like whatever have forecaster or
doing a lightning bolt on the next page.
It's a it's one with an eyepatch throwing like fucking like
whatever magic missiles are balls of some type.
Like those are great little bit. I wish there was more of those
throughout the entire book, the little things on the bottom
being different. I'll tell you right now.
The thing that I hate most about the magic system, is the worst
part about the five events. Because some Scrolls, right?
Scrolls and wants. They contain magic spells,
right? So right off the bat.
They contain magic spells, right spellcasters can use them to
cast these spells. All right.
That's when that that's that period have been right there.
Done? Right.
But we keep going, spellcasters. Use them to cast these spells if
the spell is on their spell list.
Even if they don't know the spell.
What, why, why? That never?
I've never enforced that that stupid as fuck.
You can only cast a spell if you already know the spell.
Well, if this if the scroll contains the spell, why Do you
need to already know this job? Never enforced a truly ever, so,
so fucking tell me you there. No one's ever given me a good
justification, where I'm not, like no dumb.
Yeah, so that's it. And then same thing with wands,
Scrolls, I mean spell, attributes, range duration, it
spells it spells, then we get a million fucking spells which is
fine, but it really put the book to 300 Pages.
I'm just going to the bookmarks. We're skipping all this shit
every spell Dispel offerings. I went through them because I'm
me exactly what you think. They're all exactly was going to
say. If you can think of a spell that
you want to cast and it's existed in a dragging him, it's
in here, stoneskin restoration, Mirror Image.
It's all here and then there's the run through like the actual
gameplay section, and then we're pretty much done because
everything after that is just GM stuff in Monsters.
So, there's another narrative here to start the gameplay
section with Oh boy. Craig is back.
He does some stuff. Okay, I will say this real quick
little rant crawlers, right? Crawlers are those who dare the
Lost halls and caverns of the Shadow dark.
They're called by many names, crawlers.
Devers explores know, they're not crawlers.
I hate it. I hate that.
I don't know why it struck a chord with me that when I would
never use that, I think that's dumb.
I don't care about it. Like I mean, yeah, I mean, I
guess I would never use it. I was just, I mean, we always
called dungeon delivers or just called those over, pull around
these stories. It's just called a thing, a
thing. And my problem is, I don't even
necessarily mind the word crawlers.
But again, the only thing thats dark about this game.
Is that the game tells you that it's dark?
Yeah, yeah. So to then say, well, then
you're a crawler. Like, I don't like it.
I don't like it, this whole. So it talks about, basic stuff,
guess what? Rolling?
The dice advantage. No, what it is is you take the
higher disadvantage, take the lower it cancels out.
Natural 20s are thing, natural ones are thing.
I don't mind the D6. Decider thing people use as 8.1
tokens, I think is our next part which is like, it's just
inspiration. You can carry a few more
preparation, which is fine. There's a section of that using
stats and it really just gives you a standard.
You like three or four uses for each individual stat.
Just to give you more context to how they're used.
You know, it's all really good. What's obvious is like, isn't
this just more game? Master material?
No, this is the basic of the, I mean, this is gameplay, like,
this is how to actually play the game leonarda me, like, because
I'm working. Yeah, I guess that's the way you
think? Okay.
Time is one of the only like, like new mechanics that was put
into the game. That is not just either 5e or,
or it's been used somewhere else.
I hate it. I don't like it.
I don't think it ever actually be used, maybe in play, testing
us, whatever. But basically, it's real time,
but torch lasts are real a real out real world.
Our, yeah, I did read that. I don't, I don't, I don't like
it for so many reasons, right? Because here's a problem that I
have with a lot of time, it's the time pass the section, so a
torch last surreal. Our.
Okay. Okay, then there's turns and
rounds which are abstracted amounts of time, right?
So I turn takes 10 minutes in a room so it's not real time then
because as soon as you Skip and go, okay, we did this whole
room. We didn't find anything.
That's 10 minutes. Let's keep going.
That's you already aren't using real time and then there's a
Time passed section that says every moment of the game doesn't
have to be accounted for in real time.
Then what the fuck is the point? Yeah, doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. It talks about Minute.
And then it gives you a whole section on how to not use real
time, so just don't do it. Like it's just, I like meal
ideas. They had an idea because they
immediately the first thing use reference real time.
The first part of this section and even at the bottom of that
section it says yeah I guess if you can't track real time which
I'm not sure what that, you know, you can H 10 Rounds, you
know? Yeah it literally.
So what gets me the most I guess head is like the the top of the
left column real time. This is the real time and the
first sentence on the right column is everyone in the game
doesn't have to be accounted for in real time like unnecessary.
Just did this whole thing could just be chopped out.
I like that. They try to come up with a new
mechanic doesn't work. It's fun turbo.
Exactly what you think it is. Crawling exactly what you think
it is. There's light sources.
There's Darkness, I mean, there is a little bit of a section
here that you talked about before, where like, if you're in
the dark, the shadow Dart quote-unquote.
A Darkness creature, who is not Darkness adapted, has
disadvantage on tasks, it undertakes a require sight and
the entire environment becomes quote-unquote deadly.
So like being in the dark is bad and I like that, they try to
make the torch real time so that when you're in the dark, it's
bad. It's fine, it works, that's it.
Everything else, the same movement conditions, resting
danger, level campfires self, surprise, like combat.
All of the rest of this. We don't need to read Because
guess what you've played this game before?
I think if you if this is your first game, this is a great.
This section is great. Well, it's literally just the
rules of the game. I mean it's the rules of the
game I think. But, you know, you know we have
a lot of context on these things and like I don't really need to
look at explore and because I rather weakly, heck sporting
group, you know. Like um but yeah I mean I think
it is all of his exactly what you think.
The only thing that's all different though and everything
is exactly thing. This turns rounds, combats
actions movement, pretty much all the same.
The only thing really different is death.
Right? So, that is the next time.
There's a new mechanic, a character goes to 0 HP, they
fall unconscious in there dying. If a character goes above HP,
they're no longer die. But there's a death timer.
It's fine death, timer a dying character roles, 1 D, 4 +,
they're con modifier what your con plus 2.
So 1 T4 plus to a minimum three, right?
But it's a minimum one on their turn.
They died in that many rounds in less healed or stabilized, the
eye. So I would I just rolled a D4.
I rule the forest, I have 64. Rounds 6 rounds on each of the
cake to subsequent turns. Hey, yeah, Hey, listen, listen,
you're just going to lay there for the next six rounds and
that's fine, here's the thing. So on each of the characters,
subsequent turns that play roles a D20 on a natural 20, they come
up stabilizing DC, 15 intelligence, check, and if you
hit the end of the timer, you're dead.
Here's the thing. It's better than a million
fucking roles. Like a silly idea.
I saw, I saw it. Fucking YouTube video about
someone being like, Roy your death checks behind the screen.
Don't do six million districts, do one in the nude.
I fuck off. Yeah, the problem I have with
this though is a couple of things.
One, that's too many fucking rounds for somebody to sit there
doing fucking nothing. Yeah, it's all kind of long
time. Kill us and kill me later all
new character. That's it just die.
Just die. Make one death check-in, be
done. You don't need half this page,
make one death, check if you fail, you're dead.
Like, fuck off, that's it. So it's for I like that.
It's different than 5 e. It's not, it's not, it's not
better in the ways that it needs to be Overland travel exists.
Down time exists carousing exist and there's a whole table for
it. I mean, at this point, is there
anything specific in the rest of the gameplay section that you
really wanted to touch on? Nope.
Carousing, wizard. There's a whole example play
that's great. There's a game master section,
which honestly is pretty much just like really standard basic
advice. Like these are your roles at the
game ass. Stir like be a fan of your
players. Use your magic?
This is fine. I don't mind any of this.
We're not going to go over it because you don't need it.
If you play the game before you've read all this before, if
you haven't, it's great information to have.
It does give you a little bit more discussion on action
economy, stats balancing. That's a section.
I'm not a big fan of be unpredictable.
I think here's, the thing is, this is for players that have
only played five, you're trying to do some a little different.
I wouldn't have minded more Direction on how it's different
and how you should play differently.
That's what I really wanted to see.
There's a section here, I like choices matter but not really
any way that explains to someone who's only play 5e.
Why. And how you know, I mean there's
a little bit. I wouldn't mind it a lot more.
Yeah. Um, let's read this.
Like, yeah, I just want to see if there's anything else.
So there's so the Random Encounters table million of
them, a million million of them. Literally, it literally goes
from 142 to 184. There's like, 40 pages of
tables. Then you hit monsters.
There's a whole section monsters.
There's a page for Heather attributes work and how to
generate them, which is good information to have Graham.
And then monsters literally T from page 191 to 265. 70 Pages a
monsters and then there's like 25 pages of magic items.
No way more than that. It basically the rest of the
thing is magic items all the way down to 320 work.
It's just magic items all the way down.
Literally like 60% of the book. No, I'd say, like 70% of the
book is magic spells monsters magic items or treasure tables
or random encounter tables. Yeah, so again that's why none
of that is in these I'm glad that the ziens exist.
So yes so um Join the Dark. There's a whole section here
with links to all the stuff, the licensing, all that crap.
So and then my God more tables. So review for those that don't
know, we review things, we do an in-depth review, we do an
in-depth, read through the me rate it on a scale up to 50,
it's 10 points for five different sections.
There's art and style, which is the quality and quantity, the
art and the style in which to choose.
There's the layout, which specifically talks about not
this Not the visual aesthetic style of the layout, but
navigability ease of reading. All those kind of things,
there's the ruleset, which is like, if it is a new rule set,
how do we enjoy it if it's an adapted, ruleset how well is it
adapted, originality? Which is nothing is original but
is this done is parts of it, done in a unique way, whether
that's a setting, the rules are something else, and then there's
value which is not just how much the core stuff costs.
But the bang for your buck, how much extra stuff.
Do you get character? She Two generators extra ziens,
third-party licenses all that stuff.
It's the amount. It's the value that you get for
buying the game for buying into the game itself.
So art and style thoughts. I think the Artisan here is
really, really good. The first 80 Pages.
There's a lot of Art and it dwindles very quickly after that
like from I think 80 to the full page piece on 100.
There's only one piece of art as a picture of dice.
Ice and it kind of carries on like that, but the Arts really
good. I will say that like the magic
items. Almost every page does have at
least one of the items as RT, And if every item had the art,
it would be like, 500 pages long.
Yeah, I think that the same thing with the monsters, just
about every page. If not, every other page has at
least one of the monsters Grand. So there.
Is a ton of art through a lot of them who I'm glad picks back up
because it gets pretty sparse through like 80 through and then
through the Random Encounters. Oh but they stock up on
Monsters. Okay.
One last thing I want to show real quick, let me kick back to
the page here. The actual piece of art used for
the premium cover so fucking beautiful.
Like the really glad they chose this one really, really, really
gorgeous and fantastic. This is the actual ink page,
really, really great. So so what are your thoughts?
I mean, I like I like every aspect of this art style
quantity. Pretty much everything way
better than 5th edition is so much better.
Probably What are you thinking? I mean, I generally think it's
for the amount of art that's in the 330 page book.
I think is a lot and I think that I love almost every single
piece in here and I think the style even though there's like,
six different artists is really consistent.
I'm getting consistent. I mean there are different
artists, but they all strike like the same genre ask, you
know, new old-school, kind of like seven or eight.
We were you at, I mean, I'm honestly because like the covers
stuff like That I'm probably gonna eat for this.
I think it's really, really good renamed for this as well.
I think I'm a little bit of a lighter, a pin you are, but I
think I'm still good for me. Yeah, I think, I think I'm good
for an ID on this too. Um, it's a term layout.
Okay. Listen, for anyone who is not
watch this before. I, I love hyperlinks.
I think they're so necessary in 2023 with PDFs and stuff like
that. You have to bookmark, you have
to have hyperlinks. The the If in the book itself
have to be navigable, I love the amount of hyper linking in this.
I think this is an incredible. First thing I do is look, this
is where this books and get the highest score.
So they get layout right now because it's super readable,
hyperlink to hell. And it's the way it's put
together is easily like referenceable and make sense.
If I did not have an issue. Navigating this PDF and 330
pages long, I really enjoy it. I think this is what you want
for this jurmala. You You pick this one.
What do you think? So it's not going to be 10
because the Troika I'd it's I can be a 9 because it doesn't
have like we're talking like, links back to the chapters, it's
not color coded as I need that stuff to me.
It's again between like a seven and an eight for me.
And I honestly just about in time.
I think I'm a strong seven light eight.
I'll let you be the tiebreaker though.
Yeah. I think realistically I think
I'm getting an 82 I think outside of those the extras as
far as like color coding all. That I'm pretty positive it's
going to have a ribbon in the books and stuff like that.
So like I think this is about as high as you can possibly get
without being extra, you know? So I really enjoy that rule set.
To me, this is probably going to be the thing.
One of the two that are the lowest score it.
Rule said, man, this is a, this is a strong 6 for me, I think
62. I think it's, I think it's, it's
totally fine. It's fine.
It's absolutely fun. So, so like why do violent be
completely average? And I think that it's, it's a,
it's a bit, it's a little bit better than a, totally average.
Oh yeah. So Nora Rose.
Who does monkey balls games on Twitter recently?
Did a tweet. Oh yeah.
Recently that a tweet through of
this and the one word that kept coming up over and over again
and I think they're their final like thing on was is that this
whole game is fine. It's fine, it's fine.
It's I would, I would if someone wanted to play a game, I would
play this game without complaining.
If someone wanted to play 5e, I would ask him to run this
instead. Yeah.
The rule set is it is to me again it is fine.
I think if I had to pick two words it is fine and Spacek.
It is exactly what you think. If you've ever played a dungeon
game there's nothing crazy new or interesting.
The only things that I think the worst parts of it are the parts
that keep 5e like the whole like Scrolls, you have to know the
spell thing and wanted to keep that rules dumb.
And I think that the I think that the the time thing which is
really like something they do. You talk about something that I
think, they think is a feature. I is one of the things I dislike
the most, I would never use it. So I think, I think it's, I
think it's six is solid for this like, again, there's nothing new
or different about this game in any way, shape, or form.
Which I don't think they were trying to do.
I think they're just trying to modernize and older ruleset, I
think they did a good job on modernizing an older ruleset,
but as far as the rule set itself goes, it's fine.
Originality another one that is just not going to ultimately.
This is going to be is going to be maybe the worst score I've
ever given. This is a five for me.
This is Ike is just It's it's it's fine this okay?
It's fine. Fine and basic it's, you know, I
I'm almost want to give it a 6 because of the concept and I
personally think successful attempt, mostly successful
attempt to mash up 5 e, + OS R. I think there are.
I in my opinion, things like like big fucking axe in or, or
like five torches. Deep are better five years.
Facts. I don't think this I do think
this is kind of like a 05 are versus a say that again, has a
great article on. What if you don't know the blog,
just Google 05 our own Thrift, a man.
So it's a great blog to read. I do think they do that.
And I think as far as originality goes, I mean there
is no setting with the reason is that I knew everything that was
In this book, when we got like five pages in, I was like, no,
honestly. And the problem is most of the
things that I didn't know. I didn't like, like the time
thing. Yeah, I do.
I do, I do rules. I'm talking about originality.
You know the orig? The originality of this game.
Yeah. It's the it doesn't exist again.
The only reason I want to give it a six instead of a five like
above bang average is because I could have like anyone that's
played a dungeon game could write this and it would be what
it is about. But I do like again I like the
attempt to create the bridge and I think they successfully did
what they attempted to do and I do think it does actually I
don't think that's originality though.
Like Yeah, you went. Yeah, I think 5.
I think bang, average, I think is, is correct.
I mean, because, but here's the other thing is, I think that was
kind of the point. I'm gonna be wrong.
Yeah, maybe I don't know Point. Yeah.
In the room with them. But yeah.
And then and then value-wise. So as far as the kickstarter
pledge, the digital edition of the core rulebook, and
everything was only like 30 bucks the complete digital.
L'addition, which gave you like, all the digital, like, core
rulebook screen. The three cursor Scrolls, which
meant talked about. Its he's already existing like
expanded ziens, which are actually really enjoyable.
It does add a lot of stuff like more, even like more classes.
Like the first one has like a, which class a warlock class,
like, stuff like that. It adds a lot of content to it.
You get all of that kind of stuff.
And then, the Core Physical was $60 for a Every page book is not
is a good value in my opinion, it's really not an expensive
like for like for how big the book is no you can still make a
late pledge right now, right? So if I did we did you list the
late provide prices are the same Oh no.
What so the premium was 80 bucks.
How much are the and then real quick?
The they still do the exactly. Same, it's exactly the same.
If you go to their website and you want to get just the PDF
right now it's $30. But like but you could just go
do a late pledge and get and get I don't know.
I think that there's so much I will say there's so much in this
book that its values was probably pretty.
Okay. Because here's the thing.
The the here's the the complete Pledge for physical and all
because it's $109. And that gives you the coral
print and PDF of the core rulebook.
The GM screen, three ziens. And asean is really nice.
You get three more of these, you get Many Adventures which are
already out. There's like a bunch of Many
Adventures pre Jin's character sheets, all that kind of stuff
for $100 for 330 page. Like leatherette book with a
bunch of ziens and all that and PDF, I personally find it to be
a really good value. For me, I think this one's
probably going to get about an eight on value.
I mean, yeah, I think between the seventh and eighth, I mean,
even like I said, just the fact that the quit the other thing
too, is the QuickStart still exists.
Like, you can also give a quick sardines and honestly like I
love these better than that. Honestly like I would have been
fine if this was just the book but I do think the curse scroll.
I've read through the other PDFs and I do have the first one in
physical are really, really. Good.
I think it does good, good value.
I think eight is release all that for this.
I think you're right. So um, 84 value that's going to
give us I'm gonna take your word for this one.
So the first time because it's getting late.
So 35 is fine. It's fine.
It's about where I thought it would be.
You know, I think the art I think the, the art, I think the
art really carries it a lot, I would never.
Here's the thing. I would never run this game for
anyone, but if someone wanted to run 5e and they did this
instead, I would play it on play.
Yeah. Oh I'm 100% play this game.
Yeah. Yeah.
If someone else if someone Ask me to yeah, yep.
And that's fine. So the last thing I really want
to talk about is, is stuff like this right here.
So Shadow dark content has existed.
And this is another well, honestly, huge bonus of the
value sirsa Victory who we've talked about at on this podcast
to is just again a font of game design knowledge has done a ton
of Adventures and 5e stuff has been putting out a lot of stuff
for shadow dark and this is one of them what you can get on
Lulu. And first of all, look at that
Virgin cover, I mean completely This is our adventure Shrine of
the Jaguar. Princess, you can check out sir
stuff at link Tree /. There's a victory serves.
A victory to HD IO. He has.
I think, at this point like five or six Shadow dark Adventures,
they're really good done. Really, really well.
You know, I would play or run anything that he ever does.
So the fact that a bunch of these already exist in most of
sorts of stuff, is free on. His website, is a huge Boon so
you should absolutely go to all those pages.
And if you want to download the quick start right now and if you
want Adventures to run, definitely.
Run cercis stuff. You can find links to all of
this stuff. The physicals everything on that
page. So there's already something you
can do with it, but if you're going to run it just run with
sorts of stuff, because it's obviously it's gonna be better
than a lot of other stuff and that is the shattered RPG, any
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