1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,240 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,240 --> 00:00:22,400 My name is Ryan. I'm not Hunter. 3 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,840 I'm actually Jarrett. I'm. 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,640 Well, the creator of bin Salman. Some other stuff. 5 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,640 And and some other stuff, yes, I think we talked about this 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,920 before the show started and none of us have any idea how all how, 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,120 how many times Will's been on the show. 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,000 But I feel like it's at least three maybe, I think yeah. 9 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:46,200 I'm pretty sure. And you're, you're, I think like 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,640 seven or eight. I feel like you're like this. 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,520 Is episode 5. This is not Cat Chats as you 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,400 call it, but as I call it Cat Chats episode 5. 13 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,920 And I called this issue so I get to call it. 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,880 A while I shout out to dye sugars for remembering that for 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,680 me, he used to like he was like this is episode 5 and I was like 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,760 yes, and I had I did have to check and yes it is. 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,760 Episode 5 was. I don't know if I was on the 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,920 show before that though. You were 'cause we did have, we 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,480 have an episode I think called. We have one called Jert returns. 20 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,720 So I feel like you had to be on at least one before the Jert 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,880 returns. Was OK, so maybe this is 7. 22 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,080 At least seven did. We with when Max ran us through 23 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:39,040 the dungeon. Max Moon ran us through dungeon 24 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,960 tests for some book. Or I don't think we strained 25 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,560 that, did we? Maybe not, maybe we were just 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,720 playing, but I always, I always, just always figure it's a 27 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,000 stream, right? It's always a stream. 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,960 Life is but a stream. Yeah, very true. 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,600 But hey, hello people out there. This is the weekly 12 podcast 30 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,000 and it is not Cat Chats. This is our monthly chat with 31 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,039 Jert that is literally just an hour long series of tangents. 32 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:13,120 You just experienced the first one and I'm experiencing some 33 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,120 type of delay in my video, but for you listening, you don't 34 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,240 give a shit. Hunter's not here today. 35 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,560 So we have a special guest that is Will of Forbidden Psalm 36 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,040 mostly. I mean, partially because Space 37 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,560 Penguin every time Jerk comes on we talk about Forbidden Psalm 38 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,240 because we probably have like five more things a month from 39 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,920 Will. We got at least two this month. 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,160 At least two this month. So I think space Penguin and 41 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,840 forbidden Psalm are inseparable at this point. 42 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,160 So we'll thank you so much. I know we used to talk about how 43 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,400 many times you've been on, but it's always great to have you on 44 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,320 and again, I mean come on every month I'll make 4 windows 45 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,640 considering again, there's something every month. 46 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,800 My discord folder is literally forbidden psalms like monthly 47 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:59,920 and just says everything that comes out and sure it was 48 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,320 supposed to send me the monthlies but maybe next month 49 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,600 we'll we'll get it on I. Screwed that one up. 50 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,920 I mean, guess what arrives today, the next monthly arrives 51 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:10,160 today. So when it arrives and I open 52 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,040 the box and I check on and make sure that we are dust was 53 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,960 printed correctly. I will pack up one, put it right 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,640 into a stay flat and I will drop it off with tomorrow's mail 55 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:25,520 because I'm already I already know I'm going to the post 56 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,440 office tomorrow. So that way we'll fingers 57 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,520 crossed be ahead. Now you watch this be watch it 58 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,200 get lost in the mail. No, I think it'll be fine. 59 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,120 I don't think I've ever got anything lost from SPI in the 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,320 mail. We've had, we've had a. 61 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,480 Surprisingly low return rate. You know, I'm, I'm jinxing it 62 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,760 and, you know, inviting Murphy in the house and just being 63 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,840 like, hey, there's your bedroom, but I'm trying to not Yeah, 64 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,560 we've, we've had a very low return rate and missing rate. 65 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:05,240 The one of the funniest ones was that we're in South Florida, 66 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,520 Southwest Florida, and this was literally the next big town up 67 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:16,560 and it somehow got lost in a tidal wave or toilet bowl in 68 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Ybor City, which is where mail goes to die down here. 69 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,040 So it got stuck there. Finally, I figured out if I knew 70 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,360 the person that was going to, but he purchased it as a regular 71 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,800 customer. And then we had tickets to see 72 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,200 the mountain Goats and a couple of our friends cancelled on 73 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,240 going to see the Mountain Goats. So I'd actually worked it out 74 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,680 with this guy and I was like, hey man, get up to you, I've got 75 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:43,720 tickets to see the mountain Goats. 76 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Do you like the mountain Goats? He was like, yeah, that would be 77 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,000 great. And I was, he was like, how 78 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,560 much? And I was like, don't worry 79 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,680 about it, They're already paid for. 80 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,720 Just come see the mountain Goats with us because these other 81 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:55,240 folks cancelled. We drove all the way there and 82 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:01,520 as we pulled in to the we stopped at just a mall to just 83 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,560 get a quick bite to eat before we went to the show. 84 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,640 Got a text and A and a reminder or a note from the Mountain Guts 85 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,880 that their tour bus broke down. So not only did this package go 86 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,280 missing and I was going to replace it by hand to this 87 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:23,200 person and also take them to see the Mountain Guts, I did 88 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,920 actually end up getting them in the mail the the replacement 89 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,240 book but unfortunately the mountain goats have not re 90 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,320 rescheduled that show yet so. So, so basically it's your fault 91 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,560 the Mountain Goats bus broke down because there was an 92 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,880 inevitability that that package would not be delivered as what 93 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,560 was. Yes, that's perfect. 94 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,720 That's pretty much what it was. Perfect. 95 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,360 Wonderful. Do put a curse on. 96 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,520 Everything I make so you know. There we go. 97 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,720 That explains it. There we go. 98 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,800 Actually, you know, if I remember correctly, it was a 99 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,120 liminal horror, so I have to blame Goblin Archives that way. 100 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,480 I think it was a copy of Investigator, so it was not you 101 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,600 this time. He also puts curses on his 102 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,360 things, which is pretty handy for, you know, it's great. 103 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,720 Do the lines that we run. Yeah, I'm. 104 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,400 I'm just doing. You do make it a stipulation in 105 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,200 our contracts that we have to put curses on everything. 106 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,640 So I. Know it's in there, it's always 107 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,320 in there. There we go pre curse. 108 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:24,000 It's it's pre curse 7.1. So this month, what are we, 109 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,080 what, what do you what we always start the show and it's just 110 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,120 like, So what are we talking about today? 111 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,640 I'm sure there's things we're going to talk about. 112 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,760 What, what's, what, what do we have on the docket prior to 113 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,560 getting to, I think the bigger thing, the thing that you sent 114 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,160 me a little bit earlier, but the zines that are that I've already 115 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,480 ordered that will be sent out in the mail. 116 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,160 What do we got this month from Will and from Space Bank One? 117 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:49,960 So we've got 7 deadly sins. Gluttony, which is the next in 118 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,280 the monthly FP, do we want to go over this in depth or we want to 119 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:56,520 just do a quick look or? That's entirely up to you. 120 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,200 OK, I'm going to hold this up and Will is going to talk about 121 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,360 it. Yeah. 122 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,400 So it's this is one of the partnerships, one we did with 123 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,040 company called Westphalia Miniatures. 124 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,440 They did the official Morkbook minis, I think last year and we 125 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,040 did a thing with them called Rotten Bits and they've got some 126 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,520 new minis. These aren't necessarily 127 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,000 connected to Morpool, but they're very more broadly in 128 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,640 themed. I would say they are. 129 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,600 They're doing a collection of different based on the sins. 130 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,080 So this is obviously based on Gluttony. 131 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,640 So working with them, we they had a Kickstarter where you 132 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,720 could get the minis and we did some rules for them as we've 133 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,760 done before and the same kind of deal where we then publish like 134 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,200 these little themes that you can use forbidden. 135 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,240 Some add these horrific little monsters to your games as well 136 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,200 as like some extra scenarios. So even if you don't own the 137 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,480 minis, there's content here that can be added to your games of 138 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,760 hidden some. So some extra scenarios, some 139 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,440 extra rules, some little extra bits for your kind of cruise and 140 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,560 war bands to to get involved in. Yeah. 141 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,960 So another little Zine coming off the back of one of those 142 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,920 partnerships. We've had a couple of these over 143 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,880 the years and they're always really like super fun to take 144 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,160 someone else's kind of miniatures and and there are, 145 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,200 and then put the Forbidden Sam spin on it. 146 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,920 So yeah, and Westfield are like really lovely guys and their 147 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,720 minis like are legit some of my favorite minis. 148 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,800 They are so well hands, they're hand sculpt and then resin cast 149 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,560 and the quality on them is just insane. 150 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,400 Like they do not look hand sculpted at all. 151 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,600 They look like CAD design because they just put so much 152 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,200 detail into them. Just always really great fun to 153 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,000 work work with them on it and it means I get some really fun 154 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,480 miniatures as well, which is the main reason I do it. 155 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,320 You know, more toys. Yeah, I got the, I got the 156 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,120 Westphalia like I got the Mark Borg official ones and they are, 157 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,760 they are, they're pretty minis. I think they absolutely are. 158 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,040 Yeah, the troll is like, just so good. 159 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,600 Was Will, Was Westphalia the ones who did those casts of the 160 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,120 of Anna Gardens of Acate? No, that was. 161 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,480 That was. That knuckle bones. 162 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,760 That's no that wasn't knuckle bones either. 163 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,520 That was Andrew May. Andrew May Miniatures. 164 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,240 Andrew May OK, gotcha. Meridian Meridian. 165 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,520 Right Meridian miniatures. Look at that, see so many it's 166 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,520 it's just it's that's part of the fun is like I even get 167 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,560 confused half the time. And you know, we've been doing 168 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:18,280 these you and I together for three years now. 169 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,960 But the books overall, like the forbidden zombies a line. 170 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:28,280 But I even like, it's just because of the quality of, of 171 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,400 those three folks that we've like, we've worked with and 172 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,480 we've done these with like in my brain, which is, you know, a 173 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,120 spun up mess. Like it's all the same. 174 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,360 It's all the same creator. And I have to be like, wait, 175 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,280 this is this person. And, and, and also does it help 176 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,560 that I for some reason can't keep confusing Meridian with 177 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:48,480 Westphalia? I don't know why my brain is 178 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,240 just, it's just kind of a mess like that. 179 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,520 But yeah, these things are great. 180 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:59,840 And it slotted right into our monthly series, which the next 181 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,640 one, like I said earlier, arrives today. 182 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,000 So we might get a preview of that one if it pops in. 183 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,520 Well, the only thing, so this is number six of the monthly, but 184 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,640 it's seven deadly sins. And I was just like, man, if it 185 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,800 was just one month later, it would have slided right in 186 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,840 there. But but Collection of Death is 187 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,200 the book that came out recently with the End Times edition and 188 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,360 that collects a lot of those things. 189 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,560 Like I know it has rotten bits in it. 190 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,560 Dead Church, which is dead church miniatures. 191 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:30,880 What else? Darker said. 192 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,120 Was Westphalia too, wasn't it? Yeah, that was there's and 193 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,240 that's only in Collection of Death. 194 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,480 So that was when we did as we were doing the End Times 195 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,200 Kickstarter, they happened to be running the Dark Shade 196 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,040 Kickstarter. We got chatting and I was like, 197 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,440 hey, can I steal your art and basically add this to the book? 198 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,680 And they were like, yeah, of course. 199 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,440 So yeah, we we added that in as well. 200 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,640 There's a bunch of other content that's like Halloween specials 201 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,120 in that festival one and two. Yeah. 202 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,240 So that collection of death and you know, in spoiler, there'll 203 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,120 probably be a collection of death too, coming where we what 204 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,560 I know shock. Yeah. 205 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,600 Like this is the kind of the idea that we're doing is we're 206 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,320 going to do these monthlys, build them up and then at some 207 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,080 point in the future we want to collect them. 208 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,320 It's. Awesome. 209 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:17,640 Yeah. Basically it's like building 210 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,440 anthology and then just put it all together. 211 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,960 That's fantastic. Now with the seven deadly sins, 212 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,880 this is gluttony. Are we going to get six more? 213 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:28,920 Potentially it it depends if Westphalia make more minis in 214 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,840 that range. So they they're working on some 215 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,680 unbelievably cool sci-fi minis at the moment. 216 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,760 That's their next campaign and I'm ready like chatting with 217 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,720 them about like, Hey, I want to do stuff for these because these 218 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,480 are just some of the most cool baller sci-fi minis I've seen. 219 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,960 It's really like the the space suits are almost like diving 220 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,080 bell esque like space suits. It's really like it's really 221 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,240 cool, but it's not like steampunk. 222 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,320 It's more just like really shun tech and I just I'm after that. 223 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,920 So that's coming at some point soon and I'm going to see if I 224 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,280 can do something with them. And then I think their plan was 225 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,680 to do more for the deadly sins, but they haven't announced 226 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:09,400 anything yet. I mean, we've I've not had 227 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,560 conversations with them, but if they do it, I'll I'll be there 228 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,320 straight away. Yeah, I love their stuff. 229 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,920 There you go. Yeah, I mean, like you said, the 230 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:23,080 what they put out is is crazy and I love Forbin some I 231 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,440 definitely one of the things I've always liked and one of the 232 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,440 when we first reviewed it was how you can play it as not only 233 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,120 as a war game, but also as an RPG. 234 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,240 So I tend to run forbidden Tom more as like the RPG side of it 235 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,320 than the war game. But one thing that I really like 236 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,440 is the ability to kind of like fix and match the two where you 237 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,720 can like RPG it, but when you really hit a big combat, you can 238 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,280 just be like, fuck it, let's war game this thing. 239 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:47,560 And it feels so nice to be able to slot in between the kind of 240 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:53,400 like modes without really there being like, I guess, specific 241 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:54,560 modes. Like it feels like it's just 242 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,760 very, it flows very well between the two styles in any way you 243 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,080 want to do. Like smaller combats, you can 244 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,880 just, like, run it out, but like bigger ones, you can feel like, 245 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,960 all right, here you go. So that's always nice to have. 246 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,320 And then the minis are just a bonus to have awesome stuff on 247 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,120 the board as well. Yeah. 248 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:15,960 Yeah, I had that at Gary Collin in 2023 when I ran Dread Knights 249 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,080 for folks. Because you don't need another 250 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,320 human to run this game. You can play it by yourself, you 251 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,040 can play it to a player. We have multiplayer variants. 252 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,720 And I started off being like, OK, hey, it's it's not a final, 253 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,880 it's not a final edit book. Like it's in process, but here's 254 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,440 how most of it's going to go. And then people were doing that 255 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,880 and then they after I kind of coached him through like the 256 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:53,240 first whole round of everybody, then they started getting into 257 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,960 it, but then they even started falling into more of the 258 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,280 narrative aspect. And we had one, one group was 259 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,080 one group was was people I knew. So that was always going to be 260 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,720 more narrative. But the other one were 261 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,160 definitely like three of them were war gamers. 262 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,200 They were, they were like definitely like dive in the 263 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,720 wool. They play a lot of war hammy and 264 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,920 other stuff like that. And they even they started 265 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,240 leaning into some more of the narrative as it got closer to 266 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:24,960 the end. I ran the last scenario and 267 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,360 dread nights with the wedding and everything like that. 268 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,360 And yeah, it just it flows like we have a table set up in the in 269 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,400 the shipping room here that I told Debbie I was like, OK, I'm 270 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,520 wrapping up Endless Horrors, which will talk about here in 271 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,920 just a second. But I'm like, I need to play 272 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,200 some of these because I know Will plays these because he's 273 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,920 writing them, but I still need to play them and make sure that, 274 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,680 you know, like I it's that's the joy of doing this work of a lot 275 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,600 of this stuff is getting to see these things first. 276 00:14:53,600 --> 00:15:00,080 So thanks, buddy. And then the second one, also in 277 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,880 Forbidden Song, but not written by Will, but definitely inspired 278 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,960 by Will. Most muscular minis written by 279 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,040 Tyler Welch with design by Eric Hill. 280 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,520 And Eric, if you're listening, he's not. 281 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:20,480 He said he's out, but it's some super simple, super clean takes. 282 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,320 This one is standalone, so similar to the Clock albums. 283 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,080 For those listeners, I'm about to say readers, for those 284 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,600 readers reading, it's similar to Clock albums. 285 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,000 It's standalone. It's got the guts kind of in 286 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,800 there. And this was inspired by the 287 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:45,840 Meatheads Jam, which Meatheads is a great system that is almost 288 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,000 finished. They crowdfunded it. 289 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,680 Written by my friend Blark and designed by Eric, edited by Matt 290 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,320 Kay. And it started out as Blark 291 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,040 running us through this like all Fighters dungeon. 292 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,280 So hence the name Meathead. So we're all like beefy and 293 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,680 built up and Braun. And that was you know, inspired 294 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,320 by like Chainmail and OD and D. And so that was definitely an 295 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,120 RPG, but it had the wargaming roots there from a lot of the 296 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,280 basic stuff. And then it iterated into full 297 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,160 on RPG system, mega dungeon and rules and all that stuff. 298 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,920 Marked a debt to crowdfund. Like I said, that one's being 299 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,680 worked on, but he ran a jam or the the gang ran a jam for the 300 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,600 the meat jam. And Tyler is also links to us 301 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,400 through Tyler knows goblin archives from liminal horror. 302 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,440 So it's a small world, but it gets around. 303 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,480 But Tyler is a huge FP fan and so took that and did this. 304 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:53,160 And so in this one it's again, it's you use whatever minis, But 305 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,720 what does he say? He says to to get your beefiest, 306 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,200 brawniest miniature. So I'm interested in seeing one 307 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,160 in the on the FP discord once people will get a hold of this 308 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,280 here in the next couple weeks as orders are going out this 309 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,240 weekend. I I'm interested in just seeing 310 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,440 these like full on big beefcake things and then have that roll 311 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,800 back into actual meatheads at some point too. 312 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,599 It's it's like you were saying, it's like, you know, you can go. 313 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,520 You could pretty much go both directions or all directions 314 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,000 with the stuff. And it's one of those, like Ryan 315 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,400 said, it's like one of those when you you're like, cool, 316 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,440 let's take it tactical, like let's let's skirmish this out. 317 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,760 But then man, now I'm too tired. It's been a little work, you 318 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,080 know, week at work and let's just let's just narrate this 319 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,320 entire scenario. And I think you can do that and 320 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,440 get away with it too. Yeah, yeah, we actually got to 321 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,080 play me heads on the show our TRS play series episode eight 322 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,920 way back in it says four months ago. 323 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,280 Yeah, we got to play with Stella Condrey and and Mark was on and 324 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,360 it was a good time. It's great. 325 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:05,600 It's super fun game. I love how like, I don't know, 326 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,080 kind of in the a little like farther out than Merck Borg on 327 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,520 the spectrum of like a serious game that does not take itself 328 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,360 that seriously. You know, Mark Borg definitely 329 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:16,680 has that like gonzo aspect of it. 330 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,880 Meatheads takes itself like 1% seriously. 331 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,680 And I love that so much about it. 332 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,680 Yeah, it was so much fun. And even in even in the context 333 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,080 of playing the game, we had a character who just said fuck it, 334 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,800 let's do this thing. And like, instantly died. 335 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,320 And it was just, it felt very meatheads at the time. 336 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,160 So super great game. Blarc puts out a lot of amazing 337 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,000 stuff. Eric Hill's a fantastic 338 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,040 designer. Yes, both of them are super 339 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,800 great people. So definitely excited to get 340 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,680 that in hand. Oh and then and then Debbie also 341 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,640 wanted Eric to know like and I told him, but that she just 342 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,120 dislikes that cover because she wraps all of these individually. 343 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:55,600 Before she sent out so she. Had to see this picture for 344 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,080 three. 100% portrait on the front there. 345 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:00,720 Exactly. Yeah, she was just like, that 346 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,640 cover is just disgusting. And I'm like, yes, exactly. 347 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,160 But yeah, I know I'm. I'm excited for this weekend, in 348 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:12,040 the midst of doing some other freelance work of getting this 349 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:17,400 to the table and getting some stuff for Endless Horror. 350 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,800 So now look at this. Look at that. 351 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:24,200 I segued into Endless Horrors. I even said it out. 352 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,520 Loud I'll I'll I'll segue out for just a second because I had 353 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,160 a little note here to myself. I love everyone that keeps 354 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,160 rediscovering that 4th edition is not a bad game at all. 355 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,160 And gamifying your game is not a bad thing. 356 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:42,200 It's my it's my favorite thing. So yeah yes, endless horrors. 357 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,280 I'm just going to I'm just going to hop over to this page. 358 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,920 I have a new for For those listening again, this doesn't 359 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,920 matter to you, but for those watching new page, look da da. 360 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,720 Just do like a star wipe or something. 361 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,920 Yeah, it's just really just like a fade. 362 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:05,080 It's called wipe, yes, but great page here. 363 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,920 We've got all three of us that I get to actually display the 364 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,640 stuff next to me. So first of all, I've said this 365 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,640 like 8 Times Now. This cover fucks really hard. 366 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,800 It's amazing. So will talk to me about 367 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,000 forbidden, some endless horrors, What? 368 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,040 What's going on? Yeah, so, well, the art is by 369 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:26,600 art school Veil. He's done that for us before, 370 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,800 some projects, just incredible artists. 371 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,280 And I'll talk a little bit about the process and Max, it's quite 372 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,560 fun, but essentially about, I know, six months ago or so, I 373 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,720 was reading some call a Cthulhu Ask role play game, I can't 374 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,400 remember which one. And it had that paragraph at the 375 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,400 start that they all have to have where they're like, Lovecraft is 376 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,800 a shithead, but we're going to use his stuff anyway. 377 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,880 He's the grandfather of cosmic horror, but he's a shithead 378 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,520 because he was a racist shit. And I was just kind of like, 379 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,160 this is really unfortunate that this genre is so indebted to 380 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,120 this not very nice person with very awful ideas. 381 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,240 Wouldn't it be cool if we had some cosmic horror that just 382 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,760 didn't have to talk about that? And I know I'm now immediately 383 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,360 talking about it. So I'm kind of going to my own 384 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:08,400 point. And that's kind of where and 385 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,040 what horror came out of was I wanted a game where the first 386 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,360 thing you did was make your own elder God. 387 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:13,920 And that's what you do in the game. 388 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,440 So it's forbidden Psalm kind of core rule set, but it's a 389 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,200 complete stand alone game. When you play as a cult trying 390 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,720 to end the world, you've decided, like in all the other 391 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,440 games, you're either trying to survive the end of the world, 392 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,000 eco in existence, the end of the world or stop it. 393 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,080 And this one, you're like NASCAR, the world needs to end. 394 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,280 That's let's go by doing that. And the first thing you do in 395 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,160 the game is there's 3D100 tables that you roll on and essentially 396 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,160 you give a description to your endless horror. 397 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,680 You give it a purpose and a desire and because there's 3D100 398 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,200 table, there's a million combinations. 399 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,800 So that's kind of where the name came from. 400 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,400 Endless horrors from between the stars. 401 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,360 Not technically unless there's a million combinations, but you 402 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:55,440 know near enough and you know your your descriptor can be 403 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,360 anything from grotesque to dire or you know, terms like that. 404 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,560 The what it kind of does can be anything from it takes 405 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,640 everybody's eyes or wants all the other eyes. 406 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,120 And and the same with the desires. 407 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,200 They've got this kind of range. And then also we go into like 408 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,320 silliness as all as always, because we're still forbidden 409 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,480 some. So there's still some tongue in 410 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,640 cheek elements. So the desires range from, you 411 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,240 know, wanting to spread disease and famine to the whole world to 412 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,240 wanting to change all the fonts in the world to comic sans. 413 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,440 And you, that's the first thing you do is you generate this 414 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,000 elder God that your cult is going to worship. 415 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,280 And then across the campaign, as you play, because it has a 416 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,800 narrative campaign, again, you can use it as a role place up a 417 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,880 month. You're trying to bring this 418 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,040 endless horror to the world. So you're converting civilians 419 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,480 to your 'cause you are going out and doing rituals, you are 420 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,280 summoning avatars of your God, which you, depending on what 421 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,480 endless horror you generate depends on what your avatar 422 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,080 does. And then you, you play across 423 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240 this narrative campaign and at the end you try and perform the 424 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,280 final ritual to summon your endless horror. 425 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,840 And if you're successful, the endless horror comes and the 426 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,960 world ends. And then there's a section at 427 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,120 the back that you cross reference you on, like what 428 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,480 horror you generated with this section of the back. 429 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,040 And then it tells you how it ends the world. 430 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,120 So the Comic Sans one, for example, spoiler, it ends the 431 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,600 world by changing all the fonts to Comic Sans and humanity just 432 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,160 gives up. We just we accept that the world 433 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,360 is not worth living in anymore because all the fonts, all the 434 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:19,200 logos in the world are suddenly Comic Sans and we just can't 435 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,280 take it anymore. We give up all the way through 436 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,320 to spreading disease that cannot be cured and all these things. 437 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,800 So it's quite a bleak game, but there's a lot of like city humor 438 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,320 throughout. And yeah, like that's the game. 439 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,080 It's it's another forbidden Psalm kind of core concept. 440 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,280 So if you've played or come across some forbidden Psalm 441 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,320 games, kind of know what this beast is. 442 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,680 It's fully compatible with more Borg and forbidden PS. 443 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,680 You can use it as a role play supplement. 444 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,400 It's got from my opinion, like some of the best art that I've 445 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,520 had in any of my books, like Villa just nailed it. 446 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,480 So what we did with the art is we pre generated 10 of the 447 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,160 horrors. So we rolled on the table, me 448 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,400 and Val, and then we just gave, like, the description of the 449 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,120 horror, and then Ville just drew whatever they wanted. 450 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,120 And that's how we ended up with these just incredible pieces of 451 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,360 art from Ville was just by giving those descriptions. 452 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520 And that's kind of the thing I'm most excited about is people 453 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,240 generating their own and then deciding what that looks like 454 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,600 and either sculpting a miniature or making something called 455 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,520 finding a miniature that like, matches it. 456 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,240 I'm really excited for that element of this game when it 457 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,240 hits people's hands. Yeah, it's on Kickstarter at the 458 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,880 moment. It's pretty much finished. 459 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,080 It's just in the editing phase now. 460 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,120 Just finished the first pass this week and it's going over to 461 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:34,840 Raza rather editor next week. And yeah, it's fully fleshed 462 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,040 out. It's probably, I think from core 463 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,240 books. It's like one of the longest 464 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,240 ones we've done because it's got all these extra tables, these 465 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,080 D100 tables in just quite a bit of a mammoth of a thing. 466 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,720 But yeah, quite proud of it in terms of the luck and the design 467 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,880 feels like like just very cohesive and kind of grim and 468 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,560 yeah, beautiful in a very sick way. 469 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,600 But yeah, that's the. Game, it's got a lot of 470 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,160 replayability. Like you said, you've got that 471 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:06,880 the bit where you can, you know, remake any number of of elder of 472 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,880 endless horrors. Elder gods, whatever you want to 473 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,800 call them, the book calls them endless horrors. 474 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,120 That's what they're called. Come on, come on, I'm the 475 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:15,960 editor. I've got a rumor that's because 476 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,000 I'll just start calling them elder gods and then I'll let 477 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,560 elder gods slip in there. You will have written elder gods 478 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,600 in there and at some point I'm going to be like fucking will 479 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,440 blame it on myself, but there's so there's the mastery 480 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:36,200 playability of it's fun. Like there's 3D100 tables that 481 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,640 you can just sit there and just generate up those gods. 482 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,680 I, me, I will probably generate three or four of them and then 483 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,960 come up with the what some people will call stupidest one. 484 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,600 I'm really, I want to get one of the ones that has the that wants 485 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,240 the ducks more spoilers. There's one that wants wooden 486 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,440 ducks, right? I would love to get that just so 487 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,520 that I can make quacking noises the whole time. 488 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,120 And then yes, that is part of one of the things too. 489 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,320 But that would drive Debbie crazy. 490 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,520 She would be really annoyed with that. 491 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,240 And one of the things that I do with a lot of my characters is 492 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,040 come up with bad voices that annoy my girlfriend. 493 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,640 So I could have some fun just sitting around and rolling out, 494 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,040 you know, endless horrors all day. 495 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:28,240 But then also this is there's also the ability to play all of 496 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,360 these scenarios as investigators or nights, depending on the 497 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,280 different era there. And there's the three different 498 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,040 eras that you can possibly play them in, you know, like these 499 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:43,000 are all like little modular overlays over everything that 500 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:49,960 add even more replayability. You know, like it, the fact that 501 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,240 I don't know, it's great that you wrote, you know, we moved 502 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,760 them to the end, but you can play the the entire game One 503 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,560 Direction, but as a cult versus the other, You know, the cult of 504 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,280 the crawling eye, which are like the big bad guys or the 505 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:08,440 investigators. But then you can also completely 506 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,400 change the entire narrative and play it backwards where you're 507 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,800 the investigators, you know, closer to like the Arkham files 508 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,880 games and stuff like that from Fantasy Flight or the, you know, 509 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,200 your normal call of Cthulhu type stuff where you can play as as 510 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,600 the quote UN quote good guys moving forward. 511 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,640 And there's different stats for that. 512 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,160 That's the thing I really love about all these iterations of FP 513 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,560 and, and, and 3rd party iterations about FP is you've 514 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,720 set a great example of this is how you do it because reskinning 515 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,680 and everyone listening I'm sure knows what skinning is and 516 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:53,640 reskinning is, you know, it's kind of an easy thing to do to a 517 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,800 point with a lot of RPG systems because you want to put 518 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,560 something in space. Well, you change up your damage 519 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,840 ranges and you maybe give them some space guns and stuff like 520 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,640 that. And I think that the real great 521 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,720 thing with FP is that it changes those individually, You know, 522 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,440 it, it's not just a simple paint job. 523 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,320 You know, we didn't do a pallet swap on this thing and call it 524 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,720 another thing. It's like each setting is 525 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,400 tailored down to really, really, really make sense. 526 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,080 You know, like that's like changing the names in most 527 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,520 muscular minis, just changing the names of specific monsters 528 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,040 and stuff like that would have been enough. 529 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,880 But Tyler actually went through and actually worked out their 530 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,640 cool weird special attacks that deal with Braun, you know, And 531 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,720 then you fight the the big bad guy, you know, the mass monster 532 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,280 and the mass monster does a cool neat thing as opposed to just 533 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,320 being like a dragon and you fight it and stuff like that. 534 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,760 So what, you know, like reskinning something, I feel 535 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,120 like it was like drumming, right? 536 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,800 Like everyone can technically drum, but very few people are 537 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,960 Neil Pert. So you can literally just be 538 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,520 like, dungeon is not a spaceship and like you reskinned it. 539 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,240 But yeah, forbidden Psalm. Here's another thing that's 540 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,440 great about Forbidden Psalm is there's a shit load of it, 541 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,560 right? And every single one is built on 542 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,880 roughly the same bones, but feels incredibly different. 543 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,640 Like Dread Knights feels incredibly driven the last war, 544 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,840 you know, kill sample, process everything. 545 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,760 And like even going through this because I got the pre edit and 546 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,720 now the edit for this, it again built on the same bones. 547 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,760 You get to like the character creation page, like -3 -, 1 like 548 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,120 all that. You're like, OK, it's forbidden 549 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,520 sum. And then you see, I'm looking at 550 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,720 the spread on 8889 and see abysmal terror of the deep that 551 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,720 wants to bring forth endless monstrosities. 552 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,440 And you go through the rest of it. 553 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,560 And it's not just a simple reskinning. 554 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,560 It's definitely a much more in depth kind of like, I don't 555 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,400 know, like rebirthing, you know what I mean? 556 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,840 Like it comes out with a whole new flesh bag, you know, every 557 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,200 time it every time it does. And it's that is, again, another 558 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,360 one of the things that I really love about Ford and Psalm is 559 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,000 that it's always going to feel familiar, but it's always going 560 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,480 to feel different. Yep. 561 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,800 Well, and then the you you mentioned the the last war and 562 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,920 dread Knights, those are within 40 years of each other on either 563 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,360 side of the turn of the 1800s going into the 1900s, you know, 564 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:25,040 like if you place them in real world context, but they're both 565 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,560 dramatically different. Like, you know, DN is definitely 566 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,000 like, I'm fighting these vampires, like this is not a 567 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,280 good time, you know, and then the last war is I'm in a war and 568 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,840 there are also monsters there too, but this is also not a good 569 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,520 time. But they're they're their own 570 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,560 distinctly different versions of Not a Good Time. 571 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,960 Yeah, and it's a good time. I think for me it's that thing 572 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,120 of when I do that and when I when I first did the first 573 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,120 reskin, like the last war, I didn't want it to just be that 574 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,200 like, Oh, I've taken the same game and I've taken the floors 575 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,120 and feats and I've taken these things and I've just renamed 576 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,440 them to a period appropriate things. 577 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,960 It was like, you know, this is all going to be new content 578 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,560 partly. So it's like, Hey, you can add 579 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,120 these books together and now you've got even more stuff like 580 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,480 the floors and feats tables and all the actual mechanics that 581 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,080 get added and all these things. You can just play these as this 582 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,480 huge game if you wish to, But it was also that value proposition. 583 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,840 If you're going to ask someone to like drop some money on a new 584 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040 book, it feels disingenuous to just be like, Oh, I changed the 585 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,360 art, I changed the design, you know, for me and like not 586 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,680 describing anyone that does that. 587 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,480 But for me it was like, I want this to be a unique product that 588 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,400 has new content, new in jokes, new silly bits, new narrative 589 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,440 setting. That's a really important thing 590 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,480 for me feeling as a creator that like I'm not good at capitalism. 591 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,080 So get asking people to give me money for a thing I made. 592 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,400 Like I want to make sure it's the best value it can be for 593 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,920 people. And yeah, like it's really 594 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,680 important to me that each one of these games is really stand 595 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,920 alone and unique. And I don't want it to ever be 596 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,600 like, oh, well, I've played FP and I started playing last war 597 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,560 and it was the same thing, just their guns now. 598 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,240 So why would I bother? Like I want it to feel like this 599 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,240 neat, unique experience you're having each time that it is 600 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,160 actually worthwhile doing. And it was hard continues that 601 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,520 theme. And Joe mentioned like the 602 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,080 different eras in it. So we we've put rules in for 603 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,000 playing at medieval kind of turn of the century and modern. 604 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,680 And again, the idea with that was like people can take their 605 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,760 existing games of forbidden Psalm if they want and use this 606 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,640 almost as like a bolt on. So you can take your war band 607 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,600 and then suddenly they've become a cult and forbidden some. 608 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,160 Or in last war in the trenches, they've suddenly become a cult 609 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,520 and they've decided to go off and do culty things. 610 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Yeah. That was also an important like 611 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,120 factor of like how does this game interact with the previous 612 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,000 games if people played them? Because there are people out 613 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,240 there that have, I went to UK Games Explorer and there were 614 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,720 people coming up and like they've literally bought every 615 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,880 single thing I've done ever, which was kind of blew my mind. 616 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,520 So it was like, yeah, OK, well let's make a thing that like 617 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,160 directly can be used as a bolt on if they want it to be, as 618 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,400 well as a standalone. So these kind of thought 619 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,560 processes I go through when I'm creating these games of how do I 620 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,520 make it so it feels valuable to people in that sense that it has 621 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,280 value. It's not just to reskin with 622 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,120 some new pretty art, which in itself would be valuable, but 623 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,720 yeah. Ryan's holding up his pilot. 624 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:23,040 One of those people, yeah. Because not only not only do I 625 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,120 have everything, I have everything in softcover and 626 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,280 hardcover in every color, I also have some like editor edition, 627 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,640 so. He's got some like he's got some 628 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,840 random stuff I've I've sent out to him and some random copies of 629 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,040 stuff. Yeah, I even, I got some of the 630 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,640 third party stuff, you know, like, yeah, I, I, I. 631 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,560 Have. I remember doing the review of 632 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,440 Forbidden Solomon was like, oh, no, oh, no, please stop making 633 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,600 stuff because it's not, it's, it will be a whole, a whole, whole 634 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,160 whole shelf here soon. But yes, yeah. 635 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,320 It's been a really fun project though. 636 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,840 Endless horror, like it's been such to go like, so you know, in 637 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,840 the other games they're not exactly like hearted or anything 638 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,719 in the sense of the settings. They're pretty grim for this one 639 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,520 to really lean into like, Oh no, you are not good people. 640 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,679 Like you're a cult. You're trying to end the world. 641 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,760 Like that's been a really fun experience. 642 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,280 Yeah, I've had a lot of fun just being a bit evil with it. 643 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,400 Yeah, for me, I, I like, I really, I just want to touch 644 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:33,400 back on. I really enjoy I'm I'm scrolling 645 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,360 through the PDF realizing like we got to put page numbers on 646 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,440 the right side. I guess I got to do that. 647 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,280 Maybe I'll make you do that will make I'll make you do that. 648 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,080 Will it's your it's your weekend in the sandbox with the file. 649 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,120 So get those get those page numbers on the right side. 650 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,159 They're on some of them, but not all of them. 651 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,320 So we got to take them off some of them. 652 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,719 I see magic. This is live editing. 653 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,600 Here we go. But I just wanted to touch on 654 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:04,240 again, like the, the, the you said the the bolt on aspect and 655 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:08,800 when we moved those investigators and Knights, you 656 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,680 know, playing as that back to the end, I someone could 657 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:20,160 conceivably just print those 3 spreads out and then bolt the 658 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:27,840 and then it, it, it's almost like a distillation of dread 659 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,480 Knights, although Dread Knights has it, it, it is, but at the 660 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,520 same time it's not. So you can tip it. 661 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,640 You can play classically trained like Culo Coc, as in the RPG, 662 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,040 like you can play as the librarian, the scientist and 663 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,160 what not. But you could even like I'm 664 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,920 already seeing time travel happening. 665 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,160 So there and see, and now we're going to do the time travel 666 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,440 version where it's just see, I see this is how it works, 667 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,680 people. This is how it works, folks. 668 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,800 I say a thing or will says a thing and then he he just does 669 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,120 it and he just makes it happen. What else do we have in the 670 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,480 future? We have forbidden Seas that's 671 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,120 sitting on my desk over here now. 672 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,600 It's taking the place of endless Horse. 673 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:17,600 So that'll be next month's is We Are Dust, which is summertime 674 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,320 beating up the chads at the beach. 675 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,920 That'll be that'll be a good one. 676 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:29,000 And then August is forbidden seas and that's sitting over 677 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,320 here. That one's going to be a double 678 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,960 sized issue of the monthly because it's I haven't even 679 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,680 looked at it yet. I guess I should. 680 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,760 So it's it's your it's your pirate, you know, pirates and 681 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,640 stuff. And the we wanted to have ship 682 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,440 to ship combat as well as like more scenarios and like how do 683 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,000 you manage it and stuff like that? 684 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,480 So it's, you know, it's quite a chunky one. 685 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:59,480 It got some amazing art in there from a guy called Boris who does 686 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,640 just the weirdest one of the things, my favorite art he's 687 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,840 done that you'll see in it is a thing called the land shark, 688 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,960 which is like a cross between a crab and a shark. 689 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,880 It's just the weirdest creature that and I love it so hard. 690 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,160 And it just came from like people in the Discord going, is 691 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,800 there going to be sharks? And I just screaming back a land 692 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,000 shark for some reason. I was having a weird moment and 693 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,720 then now we have land sharks in the game. 694 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,800 Yeah. So it's your pirate forbidden 695 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,000 Psalm basically. So it adds like rules for being 696 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,560 a pirate, being a captain manning a ship, how you upgrade 697 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,720 your ship, how you bought other people's ships, all that kind of 698 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,520 stuff. So it's a pretty hefty 1. 699 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,480 So it's a longer of the monthly. It's like 32 pages, I think it 700 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,760 is. Then we've got in September, 701 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,040 then will be the next one, which is Night in the Museum, which is 702 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,800 an expansion for Dread Knights, in which you are essentially 703 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,440 employed to go and steal back from a museum the artifacts 704 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,600 they've stolen from other countries. 705 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,960 So yeah, some mysterious benefactors pay you to go in and 706 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,440 like, rough up the custodians of the museum and steal back their 707 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,400 shit. So is it stealing if it's really 708 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,520 yours? It's yeah, requiring, yeah. 709 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,600 But yeah, it's definitely that. So that's that's a fun one that 710 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,560 I'm working on at the moment. Yeah. 711 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,120 And then we got and. Then what do we have for the 712 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,360 rest of the year? So October is our will be dead 713 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,560 Festival 4. So that's your Halloween themes, 714 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:33,400 your Halloween themes spin. November is the last War 715 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,480 expansion, if I'm remembering correctly. 716 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:42,440 And then we've got December is seasons Beat Things too, which 717 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,160 is like our Christmas themes, Christmas theme one that we're 718 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,840 going to be doing. So yeah, that's the year out. 719 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,840 And then we've already got plans for next year. 720 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,640 So as well as other big books come in. 721 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,880 So we're going to be doing hopefully launching childhoods 722 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,480 come November time, which is the basically kid friendly version 723 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,640 of forbidden. PS It's not pretty kid friendly 724 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,160 and. I mean, to be, let's be honest, 725 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,640 Renan Snippy was a kid show. No, it fucking wasn't. 726 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,320 Rock's Modern Life was a kid show. 727 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,280 No, it fucking wasn't. So like, if we're if we're doing 728 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,880 kid shows like that, then then yeah, it's your kids. 729 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:23,120 So it is the the setting for it is it's a 90s childhood as a, as 730 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,440 a game. So you play in a as a group of 731 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,960 children who are having a like a summer adventure and you're 732 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,520 basically dealing with goblins that come to town because 733 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,840 there's a thing called goblin juice. 734 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,760 But then it turns out the company have been juicing the 735 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,480 goblins. So you actually have to go save 736 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,200 the goblins. So that's what I mean it's child 737 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,600 friendly, but it's about saving goblins from being juiced. 738 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,360 So it's very it's a very 90s like spin. 739 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,520 But yeah, you're you're not, you're not sure if you're 740 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,800 playing as the kids like imagination or not. 741 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,480 So it's very like that kind of setting where it's you could use 742 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,680 any minis because it's the kids are being their imagination, 743 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,160 right? Like they've seen themselves as 744 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,840 these heroes. But you could also just play 745 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,960 with kid models that are running around with carpet sorts, so. 746 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,440 No, that's awesome. I mean, so here this is I mean 747 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,600 90s again, 90s cartoons were fucked up. 748 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,520 Like, my parents didn't let me watch The Simpsons growing up, 749 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,400 probably because some news at some point said it, but they let 750 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,560 me watch me and Stimpy. And I distinctly remember an 751 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:23,320 episode where he's like using a cheese grater to like, I cut the 752 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,280 skin off of his leg and then pouring salt and lemon into it. 753 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,640 I'm like, I'm not allowed to watch The Simpsons, but I can 754 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,440 watch this. Yeah. 755 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,320 So make it make sense. That sounds awesome. 756 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,360 Yeah. It's interesting. 757 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,200 The last So I looked back, the last time you were on was 758 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,400 actually both of you together, Episode 114. 759 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,480 That was only about 45 episodes ago. 760 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,080 That was just talking about in Times Edition. 761 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,800 But I feel like even the time you were on before that, you 762 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,240 were talking about the space game. 763 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:52,520 I don't remember what it was called at the time. 764 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,560 Wasn't it called like Project More? 765 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,840 Yeah. Is that so? 766 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,920 Was Project More? Is this Project Maura? 767 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,040 No, so Project Maura is coming. So what Project Maura was 768 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,240 originally was going to be a take on mothership put into a 769 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,680 miniature's game. So instead of using more Borg as 770 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,920 the kind of and the rules more Borg into the forbidden some 771 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,400 engine, it was going to be using the mothership one. 772 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,400 And it as it was a new thing, I was doing a lot of play testing. 773 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,760 So that's what played it a bit, but then also I wanted to wait 774 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,920 until the Mothership box that actually was out in retail 775 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,160 before making something that was a spin on it because I wanted to 776 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,520 play Mothership and get a feel for it before I wanted to then 777 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,520 convert it. We've actually decided to make 778 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,080 it as a module for Mothership in the sense there'll be a way to 779 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,280 play it as a role play module. But actually we're going to, 780 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,760 we've decided to use the forbidden some engine for it 781 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,080 because there's no reason to change. 782 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,920 Like actually because all of these games don't. 783 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,040 And I don't mean this sparring me of my own thing, but it kind 784 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,640 of don't really matter on the engine. 785 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,200 The engine's there to fuel the narrative. 786 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,040 So as long as that's still happening, then it doesn't 787 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,160 really matter. So that's coming out next year. 788 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,760 The whole idea with that game is you're going to have your core 789 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,480 book, which would be quite thin, which is going to be, it's 790 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,360 called legitimate salvage. And legitimate salvage is the 791 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,680 core rules and they're going to be based on and it tells you how 792 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,400 to make your crew and all that kind of stuff. 793 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,560 You essentially play as 4. You have a crew of four that are 794 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,600 employed by an awful company to go and and to take legitimate 795 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,720 salvage. And then we're going to have 796 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:20,240 modules that you saw in. And the first one is Project 797 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,640 Mara, where you go on to the space station called Mara and 798 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,040 you're trying to basically salvage it for this company. 799 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,760 But of course it's filled with horrible things. 800 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,880 And that's what each game is going to be. 801 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,200 And the idea in this game, unlike the other games where you 802 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,040 have a small amount of resource at the beginning in this, you 803 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,360 can buy all the equipment you want, but then you're in debt to 804 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,680 the company. And then that's going to have 805 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,960 like an in game effect of like how much debt you have and how 806 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,640 much you need to encourage mission. 807 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,160 And they take interest off your money each time. 808 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,160 There's a whole thing where they don't pay hazard pay unless one 809 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,600 of your guys die. So if everybody lives, even if 810 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,400 they get really messed up, they're like, no, no, we didn't 811 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,440 die. So it wasn't that dangerous. 812 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,400 So it's very like corporate horror in that sense. 813 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,600 But yeah, you play as like a salvage crew. 814 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,480 That's definitely coming. It's it's on the slate for next 815 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,280 year. So starting to engage artists 816 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,720 into that project. At the moment, the kind of core 817 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:14,280 setting is all written up. There's probably about 30% of 818 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,480 the design work already done on it. 819 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,160 But yeah, that's that's one that's coming. 820 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,160 That's awesome. And there's like a tinge of 821 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,640 traveler in there a little bit on like being in debt. 822 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:29,680 But I love the the kind of what, you know, one thing comes out 823 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,400 and there's a bunch, but there's like the lethal company game and 824 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,160 then there's like the other ones, like those video games 825 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,080 where it's like go capitalism over there and we'll we'll take 826 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,800 all the bits. And if you die, Oh well, you 827 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,960 know, yeah, that's cool. It's a nice matchup of like a 828 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,320 lethal company and like traveler bits and and the obvious, you 829 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,560 know, risk of, of immediate and and brutal death per forbidden 830 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,200 sum. So that sounds. 831 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,680 Awesome. There's there's, there's a home 832 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,040 account again that if you don't pay your debt back at the end of 833 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,960 each scenario, you can just lose one of your crew as they harvest 834 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,080 their organs for the money. Like you just, you just lose 835 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,600 somebody. So you like you, you have that 836 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,800 like risk reward where you're just trying to make enough money 837 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,680 to not lose somebody. So you can take all the 838 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,400 equipment you want at the beginning, like you can be fully 839 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,320 decked out in the best armor, guns, everything. 840 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,840 But then it's very unlikely that you're going to make that money 841 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,760 back in that like each scenario. And then, yeah, you're going to 842 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,320 start losing people as the company comes in. 843 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,960 And it's just like, yeah, so it's very corporate horror, repo 844 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,320 man, almost ask. I was gonna say there's a repo 845 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,360 man aspects in there too, which is which is an incredibly 846 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,400 underrated movie, not just the the opera, but like the the 847 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,840 actual like Oh my gosh, Forest Whitaker and and Jude Law repo 848 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,440 man movie underrated great movie. 849 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,360 It's, you know, it's. Terrible, but also great. 850 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,000 It's terrible, but also great. Waterworld is one of the best 851 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,200 movies ever. So like if you if you, if you 852 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,800 know where I stand, I'm. Terrible but also green. 853 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,600 Yeah, underrated. Amazing movies. 854 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,440 Where it rains all the time. So what world is just like a 855 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,480 Tuesday? So, you know, we, we're all, 856 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,720 we've all got girls on web feet there. 857 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,000 You go, that's what's coming. That's what's coming down the 858 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,840 pipe with Herben Psalm. So real quick. 859 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,080 So I've been flipping through the the edited the first pass 860 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,960 endless horrors. So are the I assume the spreads 861 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,360 are the 10 that you guys created and then did the art for? 862 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,080 Cuz my God, they're insane. I particularly like this one 863 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,680 here in the back. Where was it? 864 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,320 Well, I mean, I, I want my favorite one to be a different 865 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,960 one, but then I keep stopping at like, the Thousand Eyes one, and 866 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,040 it just looks so good on that light background. 867 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,160 But there's one way here in the back that just had like, an 868 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,840 interesting name to it that I had to. 869 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,760 Oh, wait, here it is, the horrifying space Penguin that 870 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,760 wants to consume these two hours. 871 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,480 Yeah, well, that's an interesting one. 872 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,040 Horrifying egg thing. Yeah. 873 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,160 Yeah, we I genuinely did auto generate them all. 874 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,640 This was not like I didn't just do this to satisfy Jet. 875 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,600 I auto generated them and that was one of the ones I rolled. 876 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,520 And of course I added Space Penguin in to the list purposely 877 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,800 because of the link. But yeah, that was when we 878 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,200 generated and then that's what Bill drew for it was this just 879 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,440 horrible Penguin in its egg like. 880 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,480 And I was just like, this is the best fucking art. 881 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,840 So good. Yeah, yeah, it's incredible. 882 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,520 I mean, like like all the artists you've done and all the 883 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000 work that you've done are fantastic. 884 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,400 I love all the forbidden PS, but but I will say this is probably 885 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,320 my favorite art in any forbidden Psalm book period. 886 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,000 It's incredible. And the the cover, I cannot get 887 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:49,600 over this like very merry esque aspect to the elderishness to 888 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,440 it. Like, it's such a good mix of, 889 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,160 you know, the Catholicism and and eldritch horror that's just 890 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,800 so perfect. Yeah, there's like there's a 891 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,000 whole mechanic in the game called zealotry that your crew 892 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,840 games zealotry as you play, and that's what you need to perform 893 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,920 the final ritual. And one of the things you do at 894 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,600 the end of the game is if you're successful and you summon your 895 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,840 endless horror, you take a test for every cultist in your crew 896 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,320 to see if they, like, realize what they've done. 897 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,600 So there's this, like, almost moment of clarity they could 898 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,600 have. And it's the only time in the 899 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,920 game where you want to fail the role. 900 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,120 So if you pass the role, they kind of realize, oh, shit, we've 901 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,200 just summoned this endless horror. 902 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,160 It's going to end the world. Oh, God. 903 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,440 And if you fail, they go, no, this is great. 904 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,120 And they join us in there. And there's this, like, 905 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,200 rapturous moment for them. And that's like a really 906 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,800 important kind of theme in the game was like, yeah, you are 907 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,960 playing as these cultists. Who are they? 908 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,000 They fully believe in this. They think this is the right 909 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,080 thing to do. You know, they're not 910 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,160 necessarily bad people. They're doing a terrible thing, 911 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,200 but they, they think it's the right thing to do. 912 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,720 I mean. Is it really that bad? 913 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,440 I mean. I mean, ending the world right 914 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:53,560 now, I'm like. Has anyone seen Kevin in the 915 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,520 woods? Kevin in the woods? 916 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,400 Kevin in the woods, anybody? Yes. 917 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:04,400 Yeah, but yeah, I'm going to go back to that's not this one, the 918 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,240 three of us jerk. You're Lamot. 919 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,320 So what else is on the docket, jerk? 920 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,440 What do we what? What else do we got going on? 921 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,400 Well. I'm currently live on 922 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,880 crowdfunding buybacker KET, our first project there, the 923 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,520 parthenogenesis Genesis say it correctly drift the 924 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,280 parthenogenesis of Hungry Hollow. 925 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,800 Yeah, it's our first project there. 926 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,600 It is the first hardcover for Liminal Horror. 927 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,200 You can get Liminal Horror Investigators currently from our 928 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,440 store. Liminal Horror Deluxe Edition is 929 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:57,320 forthcoming sometime in the future, but we're making the 930 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:03,000 shift to doing the deluxe edition and hardcover and in 931 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:11,320 discussions with Goblin and Josh the the twin demons behind the 932 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,480 written aspect of LH. Right now we just decided to 933 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,360 make the jump to go ahead and do this one and hardcover. 934 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:25,960 It's going to be a nice easy peasy 6 by 9 you can follow. 935 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,560 I'm sure I'd put the link in or if not, I'm sure Ryan will find 936 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,200 a link in there and folks can check it out. 937 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,120 It. I don't want to say too much 938 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,680 about it, although I will say there is a if folks want to read 939 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,560 more, they can read more on the page, which has has Goblin's 940 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,640 very eloquent way of like delineating all of this 941 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,520 information. It's but it's a weird, there's a 942 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:57,720 weird infection going on with some BS and that's kind of where 943 00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,880 I want to leave it because I don't want to spoil too much in 944 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:05,560 case someone listening to this ends up playing it later on, but 945 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,640 there's a lot. I will say this though, when 946 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,000 they came to me with the manuscript and I did the initial 947 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:18,640 read over and def pass many months ago, I looked at it and 948 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,840 they have a trailer park in there and I asked them to please 949 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,080 like flush that out. And so they came back with like, 950 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,160 I think it's 27 trailers or something in this trailer park. 951 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:37,080 So it's like a full on mini campaign inside this situation 952 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,160 that's coming off and that's just something that pushing 953 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,760 designers working with people like will working with people 954 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,680 like goblin archives and Josh and and Christian Kessler and 955 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,160 Eric Hill and Stella Condrey and all these folks like pushing 956 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,320 them into doing more. Like one of the one of the 957 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,480 greatest sounding boards for doing more is Shawn Richer 958 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,320 highpatious angst with who is orbital intelligence. 959 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,800 When you when you do dev pass on Sean's stuff, Sean's like tell 960 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,680 me where I need more. And then that's when you're just 961 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,720 like, cool, add another D300 table, add another, you know, 962 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,600 and like it's just one of those like getting folks to not 963 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,560 necessarily worry about. Let me worry about the the whole 964 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,560 part of what sells. Like that's that's my job and 965 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:31,240 like, let's worry together about how we push and and how we sell 966 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:34,280 it. But when it comes to making the 967 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,960 book, don't be stuck inside a page count, I guess, you know, 968 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,560 like, let it, let's let it breathe. 969 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,800 And part of jumping to this hardcover, jumping outside of 970 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,560 the typical restraints of a scene. 971 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,840 And yes, I know folks will be like, well, you can do any 972 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,400 number of pages in a scene if you get big enough staples. 973 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,080 Well, yes, of course we can, absolutely. 974 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,040 But we wanted to go ahead and put this one into hardcover. 975 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,360 Just one, to make it match up with the deluxe edition that's 976 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,760 coming in the future. Two, to make it match up with 977 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,600 the remastered versions of previous liminal horror modules 978 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,560 that are, you know, on the docket for some time in the 979 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,600 future as well. It's going to be a gorgeous 980 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,720 book. Currently, the crowd is picking 981 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:20,600 that the ribbon bookmark is going to be yellow. 982 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,520 We're approaching our first stretch goal for that one, which 983 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,760 will be that ribbon bookmark. We've also got some, you know, I 984 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,960 say bookmark, but yes, we have ribbon. 985 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,480 And then we have printed bookmarks. 986 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,680 If we hit 20, sorry, neighbors, really even somebody's rocking 987 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,680 out to some. I can't even tell what they're 988 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,560 rocking out to. And then we have a few more 989 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,760 stretch goals on that one before it goes up at the 21 days left 990 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,480 on it. So we've we've just been at it a 991 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,160 little bit over a week back. Kit crowdfunding is an 992 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,360 interesting platform. We're learning to use that as we 993 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,880 go. So I thank you to Goblin 994 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,160 Archives and Josh. While we're learning how to use 995 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,200 this platform, yet another platform, yet another tool, I 996 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,560 think we're gonna stop at two crowdfunding platforms. 997 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,440 I think that's probably enough for now. 998 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,280 We'll see So. Yeah, I remember when you were 999 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440 first coming on when the SBA was still get up and going. 1000 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,280 You're like, we're gonna hold off on kick starting stuff for a 1001 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,240 while. We're gonna do this. 1002 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:33,560 And then you drop Karen Toohey, which only made almost 1/4 of 1003 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,160 $1,000,000. And then we have Endless Horse 1004 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,200 here that's got two weeks left. It's almost $30,000. 1005 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,920 And then we got part the Genesis that's only going for a week and 1006 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,440 it's already at 14K on backer kit. 1007 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,840 So I think, I think you're back in some winners there at Space 1008 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,120 Bank. Taking it slow and taking it 1009 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,440 steady and not just and not just jumping in head, you know, head 1010 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,080 first. Like I think because we could 1011 00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,920 have definitely let out from from the get go and dived into 1012 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,720 all that. But it's a lot, it's a lot to 1013 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:09,200 learn and I'm still learning stuff in the, you know, yes, a 1014 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,360 lot of the concepts are the same, but the UI is different. 1015 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,320 And then a lot of the, a lot of the thought process behind it, 1016 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,560 you know, Kickstarter is a lot of folks have used Kickstarter 1017 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,840 for years and it's been the same for years. 1018 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,760 And they haven't really done a whole lot with updating user 1019 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,120 interface on the backer side or the creator side. 1020 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,680 BK relatively new platform. It's like this. 1021 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,560 It's not even 2 years old yet and in in not even a year. 1022 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,240 And and then being publicly used, you know, the beta was two 1023 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,560 years ago. I was with EF. 1024 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,760 We did land of Eve there, you know, when I was still beta 1025 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,680 wave, right? And it's come a long way since 1026 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,160 then. And they're fairly responsive to 1027 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,040 how we're working with stuff as well. 1028 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,320 So again, nothing's ever perfect. 1029 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,560 No, if if I could build a crowdfunding platform, it would 1030 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,280 be just like it would be for us. It would be just straight up 1031 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,080 pre-order and it would be a lot less. 1032 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,840 But that's not how this works. So learning to use this has been 1033 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,280 a little bit of a curve, but not too impossible. 1034 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,120 It's got neat things like polls that you can do and you can set 1035 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,320 up like polls and you can set up like streams. 1036 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,080 Like if I was better at setting this whole thing up, I would 1037 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,360 have streamed this event through our pay. 1038 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,280 I don't know. I was it was just one more thing 1039 00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,160 for the future, for the future. Get ready for it, Ryan, you're 1040 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,280 going to you'll host a a stream on one of these crowd funds. 1041 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,960 Like, I don't know, it's just, you know, another thing, another 1042 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,960 thing too. Anything that you guys do, we're 1043 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,680 down for. We did have the Liminal Horror 1044 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,960 Boys on recently and they did their first basically writing 1045 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,360 seminar for adapting and adventure, which led into 1046 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,320 Parthogenesis and the Twisted Classics Jam. 1047 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,680 So if you guys ever wanna come on and teach people how to do 1048 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,600 their own forbidden Psalm, we will always have a platform for 1049 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,520 that. And however we can help, 1050 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,760 obviously, you know, we, we, we, we do this because we love it, 1051 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,720 because we love supporting the people who make good stuff and 1052 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,000 are generally good people, which happens to be both of you guys. 1053 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:25,400 So yeah, just. Kind of just a quick thing 1054 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,040 behind the curtains as well, because Jeff was just talking 1055 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,480 about like the crowdfunding and then you mentioned about being 1056 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,560 on the winners. It's because, like, to be fair, 1057 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,720 like the time is taken behind the scenes, like we don't so on, 1058 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,200 you know, from the spin, some stuff, we don't even approach 1059 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,920 crowdfunding until the stuff's finished, you know? 1060 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,400 So we make sure that like, we can deliver it in time, that it 1061 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,400 isn't going to just be completely short. 1062 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,360 And yeah, like, there's been a lot of thinking and 1063 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,920 conversations behind the scenes on how do we build this in a 1064 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,280 sustainable way. Like Jeff will tell you and you 1065 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,920 held up my output is silly sometimes, like the amount of 1066 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,600 content I'm making and stuff. And Joe, it's like, OK, let's 1067 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,600 make sure it's good. Let's make sure there's quality 1068 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,160 that spend the time on it. And he slows me down when I need 1069 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,480 to be slowed down to make sure that we're like actually putting 1070 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,320 out quality stuff, not just any old shit. 1071 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,640 Yeah. So it's it is this kind of back 1072 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,520 and forth conversation like me and every week to talk about 1073 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,920 what are we doing, how we're doing it, How does this work? 1074 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,800 Have those like really robust in depth conversations. 1075 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,920 And it's why touch words. It's paying off. 1076 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,320 And you're seeing successful campaigns and you're seeing like 1077 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,520 really good shit coming out of Space Penguin as a result. 1078 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,440 Yeah. And you know, I mean, that's 1079 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,480 one, I mean, that's so I think it's great. 1080 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,600 I mean, there's so many great things about Jert, right? 1081 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,640 So I'll just talk about him for a second. 1082 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,480 We've had so many conversations both on stream and off stream. 1083 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,600 And the thing that I love about Space Penguin and Jert, who is 1084 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,280 Space Penguin, is that not only does everything come out like 1085 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,320 it's all good stuff, but it's all good people making good 1086 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,040 stuff. And the amount of work that 1087 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,400 you're put in behind the scenes, especially since it's pretty 1088 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:03,600 much just like you and Debbie, right, is an incredible, well, 1089 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,800 dye sugars. Yeah, like, incredible, 1090 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,560 incredible. But it's just that do you care? 1091 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,640 And putting out good stuff for good people, for people to 1092 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,120 actually have, not just to like, try to make as much money as 1093 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,920 possible. It's just such a it's great in 1094 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,920 the space, you know, that's not everyone's goals. 1095 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,280 And I really just appreciate the amount of work that both you 1096 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,120 guys are putting in for all the stuff that you're putting out. 1097 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,840 And yeah, I like, I know I have in our conversations only 1098 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,920 scratch the surface and how much work Jerk does. 1099 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,920 And I don't know how either You get a fraction of that stuff 1100 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,640 done in a day, but I mean, you're still chugging along. 1101 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,880 Whenever like Jared like throws me something else he's working 1102 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,440 on, I'm like, how because I throw you so much shit and 1103 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,240 you're always like nailing it and on time. 1104 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,040 I'm like, how the fuck do you have time for other shit right 1105 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:56,760 now? Like what the hell? 1106 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,200 And yeah, yeah, like the stuff coming out of space when when 1107 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,000 like putting myself aside, like the other stuff, the the 1108 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,160 content, like I'm a massive fan. It's great to actually like work 1109 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,600 and be published by a house where you're like, oh, I just 1110 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,560 love the shit they're doing. Like all of the other stuff. 1111 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,240 I live in a horror. Stuff like I'm backing this shit 1112 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,280 like this is stuff that I want to own as well. 1113 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,520 Yeah, it's just fucking great quality shit coming. 1114 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,800 Out all, all of it's all of it's stuff that I would, I would use 1115 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,920 and do use and have used and not just from the the oh, I need to 1116 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,360 play test this aspect. It's like the stuff I need. 1117 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,560 I mean, that's the, that's the real reason I started into doing 1118 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,920 all of this stuff in the 1st place was because I wanted more 1119 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:45,440 books, more cool RPG books in my life and I was, didn't have any 1120 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,640 money. I kind of still don't have any 1121 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,440 money, but like, so it's part of the reason I still make a bunch 1122 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:58,040 of cool stuff, but there's just not a lot of stuff that there's, 1123 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,160 there is a lot of stuff, but again, I don't have any money. 1124 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,360 So if I, if I found it, if I attached myself to the projects, 1125 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,080 I got contributor copies and stuff. 1126 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,800 And then that kind of became like, OK, cool, now you can now 1127 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,200 you can kind of make all the stuff that you want to make, you 1128 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,640 know, and I mean, I'm lucky though, like I've worked with 1129 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,120 shit ton of people and it's great to do it. 1130 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,360 And like I just, I kind of have that ethos behind all of it. 1131 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,960 Like, like, let's make it as good as as we can. 1132 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,440 You know, like there are some. Projects where I look back and 1133 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,480 I'm just like, huh, I could have done a better job. 1134 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,800 But also, hey, we can remaster that now we want. 1135 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,440 You know, I've learned shit in the last four or five years, you 1136 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:44,400 know, like things are just things are getting done in and 1137 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,360 other publishers and stuff I've worked with too are Melsonia is 1138 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,240 releasing fungi with a fully fleshed out like it just went 1139 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,800 live with even more stuff. And she's like adding more art 1140 01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,360 because in Shoe, if you read the Igloo Tree thing today, Shoe was 1141 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,000 just like, it was the first RPG book that I'd done. 1142 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,240 And like, I and I talk to people a lot and people are just like, 1143 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,840 yeah, it was the first thing I ever did. 1144 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,520 Or is this I did. And I just, I'm so happy to be 1145 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,640 able to redo it later and stuff. And I'm like, yeah, I feel that 1146 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,800 way about 500 freaking things right now. 1147 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,760 I would love to have the time to go. 1148 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,800 But if you ask how I do a lot of this stuff, it's like there's an 1149 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,400 LCD sound system song called Losing My Edge. 1150 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,280 And that song plays in my head almost nonstop. 1151 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,320 And the line is the kids are coming up behind. 1152 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,720 And that's the reason that I keep doing so much stuff. 1153 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,680 No, the reason I keep doing so much stuff is because I get to 1154 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,400 work with cool people and do so much stuff. 1155 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:50,960 Like since I've dialed back to freelance a lot, I have been 1156 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,000 able to work more in depth on larger projects with like Sean 1157 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,840 and Orbital Intelligence and of course the mothership stuff, all 1158 01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,520 the FP stuff with you Will, but I still have, that's part of 1159 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,680 publish. And, you know, I get a lot of 1160 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,640 pitches people being like, hey, do you think you would want to 1161 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,440 sell this in your store? And I was like, well, I'm trying 1162 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,680 to keep it to stuff that I've actually directly had a hand in 1163 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,560 development or editing in some way shape or form. 1164 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,240 Like so yeah, we're going to have mothership box sets next 1165 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,240 week that'll go up for sale and we'll have like a sale on our 1166 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,720 mothership line of stuff. But I've had something to do 1167 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:30,640 with every single one of those, you know, like my name's in my 1168 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,000 name's in most of them. And even if it's not, my fingers 1169 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,000 are all over those because I wanted that book to be really 1170 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,320 good and something that I would, you know, if I'm going to 1171 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,840 publish it, then I want it to be something that I would pick up. 1172 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,520 So thanks for saying that, Ryan. Appreciate that. 1173 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,280 Yeah. Again, both you guys are are. 1174 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,080 Fantastic. And you know, we're going to 1175 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,360 keep supporting you guys as long as I mean, just don't become 1176 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,280 shitty for no reason. That would break my heart. 1177 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,880 That's already needed. Too busy. 1178 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,080 Too busy making. RPGs. 1179 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,480 No. We'll, we'll, we'll keep we'll. 1180 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,440 We'll keep you all in line, but yeah, listen, I know, I know. 1181 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:08,040 Will you? Said you? 1182 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,080 Had a time, I think we passed. Out already so we're going to 1183 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,400 bounce out of here, but I just want you to know open invitation 1184 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,840 any time that you want to hop in I'll make this four windows and 1185 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,040 since we talked about for being some every month you're always 1186 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,080 welcome and jerk always a pleasure. 1187 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,320 I I think every every month I I I'm I feel like I'm probably the 1188 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,680 1st if not the top three every time something drops. 1189 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,200 You were the first never gonna. You were the first this week. 1190 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,960 On new release Wednesday. You got it. 1191 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,600 And that's never gonna change. I love everything you put. 1192 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,160 Out I love everything that you know all the people that you 1193 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,480 work with put out and and we're gonna keep continuing here on 1194 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,600 the weekly scroll to support spacebang in so if you're 1195 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,400 listening you definitely want to check out everything that will 1196 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,760 does with the written Psalm and beyond and everything Jared does 1197 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,320 over at spacebang on but again thank you both so much for being 1198 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,480 here. I really appreciate it. 1199 01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,240 And we'll see at least one, if not about you next month. 1200 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,840 Next time we'll talk about we'll talk. 1201 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:08,960 About board games, Very excited. For the Pineapple Skull next 1202 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,680 month. All right, again, thank you 1203 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,400 both. We will see you all out there 1204 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,160 next week. Bye.