1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,600 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,960 My name is Ryan. And I'm dead. 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,920 Eric Jose. My name is Jared and I'm 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,520 guesting on this episode of Cat Chats. 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,320 This is not cat chats here on the Weekly Squirrel. 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,760 This is number. 10/11. I think it's a lot. 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,960 I think it might be a lot. It's either 11 or 12. 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,000 I'm pretty sure we're we're into the double digits. 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,360 I have no idea. Yeah, I'm, I'm still shocked 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,360 we've done this many episodes and we're still going with it. 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,560 I'm still shocked this podcast is going after like 3 years I 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,560 guess. 12. There's #12 look at us. 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,840 Not Cat Cats. 12 This is a full dozen. 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:59,200 A full dozen not cats in your ears for your eyes. 4 It's a 420 15 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:05,680 miracle 420, yeah. 420 babies smoke it for baby zombie Jesus. 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,640 Whoo. I should call my Christian aunt 17 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,200 after this actually, because she does care about Easter and I 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,000 like her, so I'm going to call. I should call nobody because I 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,440 have no one. Anyway. 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,760 Happy 420, Happy Easter, Happy Zombie Jesus Day, whatever you 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,280 celebrate today. We're celebrating Space Penguin 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,920 Inc releases before that, though. 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,200 So who's your favorite eternal champion? 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:32,600 Mine. Yeah. 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,640 Probably jumped a car. Now, I mean, mine's got to be 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Elric of Milnebene, you know, Like, I feel like that's like 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:40,960 the. Standard answer. 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,040 That's so funny that you say it like that. 29 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,760 That's how I say it. Yeah, that's how you say too. 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,680 It's not saying how you say it is funny. 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,560 It's just so different than the way that I say it. 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,160 And I've never heard anyone else say it out loud that I might. 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,760 Say you say Melbone. I do say Melbone. 34 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,040 Yeah, that's those are, those are the 2 common Melbone and 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,760 Melbane. Melbane I think there's an 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,120 accent over the E so I'm sure Mel Nibide is like more right? 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,600 There's an accent over the E. So there's no way. 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,000 There's no way. I wasn't going to say Mel the 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,280 bone like Mel the bone. There's an, there's an interview 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,880 that the Sanctum Sikorum folks did with more cock and I think 41 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,000 he talks about how to pronounce it or how he generally 42 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,520 pronounces it. And I think it was left up to 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,400 ambiguity. You know, I'm sure some loyal 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,880 listener will listen in and call and say that we've done, we've 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,240 done Mel Nibbenet or Melda Bone wrong. 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,840 Mel The. Bone sounds so goofy to me bro. 47 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,400 I know. So I had to. 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,240 Glorious Mel Nibbenet, you know, the dreaming city of whatever 49 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,240 it's called. Listen to I haven't read any of 50 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,560 the Dorian Hawk Moon ones yet, but I do have one on my night 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,600 stand right now. So as far as the trial champions 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,920 go, my knowledge is fairly brief. 53 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:58,600 But Dead Air Jose is like a really upsetting story. 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,040 So like, that one's not my favorite. 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,760 Yeah, I haven't actually finished all about right there. 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,120 I thought I'm on like the last like 2 books. 57 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,360 I think like actually the conclusion, which I guess was 58 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,560 actually the first or second book published or whatever. 59 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:22,720 But honestly, I think, I mean, you've read enough now, dude. 60 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,640 Sailor. Sailor was on the CF8. 61 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,760 Yeah. Like, it fucks so hard. 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Like I love that it's so sword and sorcery. 63 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:36,000 It's such a great and like the the the two Gagak and Nagak, the 64 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,360 two interdimensional sorcerers are so absolutely truly bizarre 65 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,720 and not of the material universe that it feels very like, yeah, 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,480 it's amazing. You know, I remember we had a 67 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,320 previous discussion about and like someone actually commented 68 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,200 all butthurt about like the like, no, wasn't just Conan. 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,000 But like I think I I said that like there's a difference 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,680 between how I view sword and sorcery and like sword and 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:11,080 wizardry and that like everything Tolkien and and after 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,040 like I think Tolkien great, but also like ruined the genre in 73 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,399 that like it has cast a shadow over all fantasy afterwards. 74 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,160 The shadow's so large that no one can outlive it. 75 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,960 Yeah. So like I love like more cock 76 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,480 and stuff that feels like more sword and sorcery versus like 77 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,520 sword and rizzardry. And how I saw it is like, sword 78 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,840 and wizardry is very much like, like Western Europe, but not 79 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:37,600 with like Wizards that wear pointy hats and like Dragons and 80 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:38,960 shit. And sword and sorcery to me is 81 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:44,840 very much like astral travel and like we magic with like and 82 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:46,040 super. Yeah. 83 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,000 And a lot of, like I said, like interdimensional shit, like 84 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,480 sailors on the seas of fate, like where they literally are 85 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,520 just like, let's get on a boat and then be suddenly somewhere. 86 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,320 And then like there's all this crazy shit going on and you're 87 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,960 in this thing and and then now you don't remember like which. 88 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,480 Which version of Eric Jose is on that ship, Jared? 89 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Do you know Jared? Because I know that one of the 90 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,480 guys is like, oh, we've adventured before with an Eric 91 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,160 Jose of a different, like a different Eric Jose. 92 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,760 There's a bullet. There's there's there's one of 93 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,520 them when when the four four who are 1. 94 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,440 And I think that I think that's the see. 95 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,880 And here's the difference. I say Eric Jose. 96 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,640 You say Eric Jose. It was an accent over the E 97 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,120 sound. OK, maybe I'm I thought it was 98 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,160 an oom lot over the O. Let's go. 99 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,360 I was just on the wiki, so let me just go back a couple. 100 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,680 No, there's a There's like one of those, the double accents 101 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,480 over the E. Oh, OK, so maybe it is Eric 102 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,920 because they look at me learning stuff, learning new stuff every 103 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,600 day. And I do take it back. 104 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,920 John Dakar is not my favorite. It would have to be the Von Beck 105 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,440 family because my single favorite Moorcock is the It's a 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,600 constant tie between Behold the Man, which is a Karl Glauer 107 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,480 novel, and the War Hound in the World's Pain, which is the first 108 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,400 of the Von Beck family novels. The Warhound in the World's Pain 109 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,840 is really good because it asked the question, do you be the 110 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:19,240 devil's work? Because I don't want to get too 111 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,280 many spoilers, but Lucifer's involved and there's some other 112 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 there's, there's a family curse and then stuff like that. 113 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,640 So, and he's technically an incarnation of the Eternal 114 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,040 Champion. I think almost all of more Cox 115 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,960 characters can be tied in some way, shape or form. 116 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,360 Like if he's not tied on himself then they can be tied to that. 117 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,000 OK, cool. Von Beck, is this the Warhand in 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,040 the world's pain? You said it's the first book in 119 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,800 this series. Yeah. 120 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,480 I'm going to get it. So. 121 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,360 Cool. Well, listen, if you're 122 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,680 listening. Wherever you're listening, leave 123 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,480 a comment and let us know who's your favorite eternal champion. 124 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:03,960 How do you pronounce and how do you pronounce? 125 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,840 I almost, I almost, said Melbone. 126 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,200 Let. Me know if you're let me know if 127 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:13,200 you're a fellow bone boy here and we'll well, I listen. 128 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,320 I just I don't know. Like I said, it's one of those 129 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,320 things where they're all kind. The stories are all like, in my 130 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,120 opinion, good, but like kind of ridiculous and stuff. 131 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,400 So it's kind of like sitting around like ATTRBG table, like 132 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,160 if someone's name rhymes with Dick, you're just going to say 133 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,000 Dick. So like if it says Mel the bone 134 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,120 and Melnivenate obviously sounds more Elric, right, But I'll 135 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,000 never not say Mel the bone. I like the green edges you got 136 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,800 on that book there. This is a good one. 137 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,000 This is a eternal champion novel. 138 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,760 This is where he is Erlich Skarsall. 139 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,200 He faces the direst challenge of his career to save the dying 140 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,520 world. But he cannot take up the black 141 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,160 sword. And the black sword is called 142 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,360 Durandal. So Stormbringer is called 143 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,640 Durandal in this. In this or just the black sword? 144 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,840 It's Erlich, not Erlich. It's. 145 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,840 It's Erlich URLIK OH. OK. 146 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,560 Which one is the kind of like futuristic eternal champion? 147 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,560 I haven't read any of those. I know there is 1 though. 148 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,920 That's the Jarrett Carnelian novels, which are also near and 149 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,480 dear to my heart. The End of Time novels, Miss 150 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,120 Mavis Main, right. OK. 151 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:28,120 And yeah, those are those are fun. 152 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:33,320 Those are a little more slap happy and a little more goofball 153 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,960 Y in my opinion. OK someone someone might have 154 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,440 might have read them differently, but I read them as 155 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:46,400 more not quite farce, but just more light hearted overall. 156 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,480 Slightly more philosophical, I guess, less than less 157 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,240 nihilistic. Yeah, well, that'll. 158 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,560 Be Ehlrich shows. Ehlrich shows up in one of those 159 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:57,000 stories, actually. Oh, cool. 160 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,560 Yeah, well, we love Valerie. I do. 161 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:01,440 This is going to be my final thought before we should 162 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,920 probably start the episode. I mean, you guys can say 163 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,840 anything. Like, you know, I've read like a 164 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,520 decent amount of swords and sorcery and I love that. 165 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:13,320 Like a lot of them are like like Conan or what's the other one 166 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,680 that's named? Not Conan, but it's like Cole 167 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:20,400 Gag or whatever, the barbarian swordsman, whatever it's called. 168 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:26,040 But they always follow these kind of like barbarian esque men 169 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,240 or like like exude life and they're like very anti magic. 170 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,440 And I always thought that Elrich's a funny flip on that 171 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,280 for sorts of sorcery, because instead of being like from a 172 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,520 barbarous young area and being full of life and the anti magic 173 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,400 and like being healthy, Elrich is on the very opposite end. 174 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,440 He's from just like this decrepit, like Magic Kingdom 175 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:52,760 that's like fallen into like its own hubris and is like a a weak 176 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,760 and. Sickly wizard boy. 177 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,120 Yeah, Sickly wizard boy. I always thought that flip was 178 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,680 really interesting. It's done really well. 179 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,240 Yeah, he's kind of. Literally like the exact flip of 180 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,560 Conan. He is the exact flip of Conan. 181 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:06,800 That was my first thought reading. 182 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,320 I was like, oh, this is like, yeah. 183 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,440 There you go. Have you read the newest? 184 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:13,840 Because a new L Rick book came out in the last like year or 185 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,120 two, didn't it? It's called the Citadel or 186 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,360 forgotten Myths. Did you read that by chance? 187 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:22,240 Came out of 2022 I. Have not I stopped reading the L 188 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Rick books with Dream Thief's Daughter? 189 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,120 I started reading Dream Thief's Daughter and just didn't really 190 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,120 do it for me. And then I believe he released 191 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,800 like the Skraeling Tree, which is also in that vein. 192 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,960 But yeah, I kind of I ended when I ended with Stormbringer. 193 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,600 So I read them when I was a kid though, and those little ace 194 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,960 paperbacks when they're, because that was like the only way to 195 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,360 get them. And so then that was just how I 196 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,800 had them. So there was like 6 volumes in 197 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,200 that. And so that's pretty much what I 198 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,760 read of Elric, except for when he appears at other stories and 199 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,600 things like that. So I kind of I kind of stopped 200 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,360 so. Oh, I did not read the read the 201 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,080 dreams through starter. I read the Fortress and the 202 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,520 Pearl. Gotcha. 203 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,560 And that one, it's AI and that one, it's like kind of an 204 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:11,920 offshoot. And I've never actually read 205 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,280 that one either. I guess I should. 206 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,320 I love that one. You loved it. 207 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,800 It's one of my favorite representations of like, 208 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,680 traveling through like a dream. I'm like, oh, this is actually 209 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,040 like a good interpretation of that. 210 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,120 Yeah. That one, the two kind of like, 211 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,920 I don't know, like later kind of side stories to get tucked in 212 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,320 the fortress and the Pearl and the sailors on the CFA. 213 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,360 Like they're two of my favorite ones and they are kind of like, 214 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,080 I don't say throwaways. They're like these random side 215 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,560 stories and like just part of the adventure. 216 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:40,720 They get tucked in when he's like exploring the young 217 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,600 kingdoms and stuff. But like the all the weird stuff 218 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,040 that happens in CF8IS fantastic. But all the dream shit that 219 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,200 happens in purchase of the Pearl is just so fucking cool. 220 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:52,920 And obviously you know, he does some stuff in there that affects 221 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,000 some other stuff. I don't know if you've read like 222 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,600 the White Wolf Sun or anything like that. 223 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:04,080 No, I haven't read that. Anyway, so that is our, our, our 224 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,440 what has now become customary immediate tangent here on the 225 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,280 Weekly Scroll. So if you have opinions on the 226 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,480 Eternal Champion like I said, or Michael Morcock, let us know. 227 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,280 We can we do Zelazny next episode? 228 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,080 Will you guys feed a bunch of Zelazny so I have someone to 229 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,480 talk to us to talk about Zelazny too? 230 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:24,360 I I will finish the entire horse. 231 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,160 Seriously, once I finish the entire horses, I read Zelazny. 232 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,960 So we'll keep this going until the end of the year then. 233 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,000 I'm going to. I'll go to the thrift store 234 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,280 later to the fantasy paperback section because it's like 235 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,760 fucking 8 aisles long and I'll look for some Zelazny so. 236 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,200 Well, look for the doors of his face, the lamps of his mouth. 237 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,160 OK, it's a short story collection. 238 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,960 It's probably been the lead short story in several different 239 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,520 collections. So they're if they have any 240 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:53,480 decent amount of Zelazny there, there's a good chance that 241 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,200 they'll have that I'll. Look. 242 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,240 Yeah, this is all stuff that I read when I was recovering from 243 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:08,280 my spine surgery when I was 17. So I had steel rods implanted in 244 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:14,600 my spine. So, yeah, I had a lot of time to 245 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,920 read. So that's when I was reading all 246 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,800 this, like formative, like fiction and things like that. 247 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,600 I had I had a couple of uncles who turned me on to the good 248 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,240 stuff, which was nice. Have you have you read a lot of 249 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Legati? Yeah, I've read a fair amount. 250 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:33,480 It's hard. It's hard. 251 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,920 It's hard to read because it changes the way your brain 252 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,520 works, because it's kind of a virus. 253 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,000 So you got to be careful with it at least. 254 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,440 At least I do, anyway. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not 255 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,960 kidding. I'm talking 100%. 256 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,400 I got to be careful with the amount of Legati that I read 257 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,360 because it gets to you, gets to me. 258 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,440 It does, yeah. It's I've, I've, I've dabbled in 259 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,600 it a little bit and then I again, I started the horse 260 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,320 Heresy. So I'm stuck for two years, but 261 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,240 that is. You've changed yourself to that. 262 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,640 I listen, it's not, I mean, it's good. 263 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,320 It's a fun journey. But yes, I, I have. 264 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,040 But you're right. Like there's just some things 265 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,280 like when I'm sad, I love to read Plath and not just like 266 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,360 Belgium stuff, a lot of our other stuff, but like that's 267 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,560 another one where it's like you can't don't be too sad and don't 268 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,440 read too much Plath or else you'll, you know, follow her 269 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:32,000 into the stove. But so today it's about time the 270 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,600 the new releases for Space Penguin were a little bit in the 271 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,640 month, deeper in the month than we would be. 272 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,880 But I believe the one that came out this month is 1. 273 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,240 We've actually talked about before, but we're going to talk 274 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,320 about it again. So what is new? 275 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,000 What is new? What have we got? 276 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,880 What? Is new is Endless Horrors from 277 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:57,120 Between the Stars wherein you take on the part of playing as 278 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,480 cultists intent on Speaking of Legati cultists intent on 279 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,480 bringing your avatar into the world so that you can bring 280 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,400 about the end of the world. Now before everyone says it's 281 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,800 all doom and gloom these days and forbidden Psalm land, that's 282 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,760 not true. We actually have a rules for 283 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,600 where you can play as investigators inside it. 284 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:28,240 There's also rules for playing in any of three different time 285 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,080 periods, which is pretty sweet too. 286 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,240 So you can really, really, really go crazy and hog wild and 287 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,720 get bash your minis and really make them something special. 288 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,000 I got to say, I got to say real quick, so the cover fucks so 289 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,480 hard. And I haven't. 290 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,480 That's Ville. That's Ville. 291 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,600 But the actual book cover is that same piece of art, but it's 292 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,240 like virgin, like there's no logo wand or anything and it's 293 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,240 just so fire. Like again, the logo itself is 294 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,280 also incredible. I love like the flames coming up 295 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,560 and stuff like that. But the regular book is even 296 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,720 like the back has nothing on it. The only the only thing that has 297 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,560 words on it all is like the spines got like that star at the 298 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,720 top too. I mean, it's just a gorgeous 299 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,600 book. Thanks, Will really knocked it 300 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,160 out of the park with the graphic design and and Bill really did 301 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,240 an amazing job throughout the entire book with all of the art. 302 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,040 It is. It's crazy, Shout out. 303 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,920 Will bro I love that guy. Shout out Will Anvil just. 304 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,360 Shout out to Will and Bill. Will anvil. 305 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,680 Yeah, this. I'm going to. 306 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,440 So I love. Obviously I have like everything 307 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:50,800 forbidden poems ever done. I got to say what are OK? 308 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Well then. OK, quick side tangent before we 309 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,320 keep talking about this. And what are your favorite 310 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,560 forbidden Psalm releases? The favorite ones that we've 311 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,720 done this far is Horse War. That's my personal favorite. 312 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,200 I. Haven't seen it yet. 313 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,760 I don't have. It's not in my possession yet. 314 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,520 Yes. Same but. 315 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,520 Same. But Hunter, what are yours? 316 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,599 Oh, mine's the last war. Bro, like it's funny because I 317 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:17,160 thought I had an answer and then immediately I was like, but wait 318 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,599 a minute, what about this one? What about this one? 319 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:19,920 What about this one? Because I was like, well, yeah, 320 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,480 I think probably the last war. And then I was like, and then 321 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,760 it's probably this one. But then I was like, no, but I'm 322 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,400 like an edgelord piece of shit and dread Knights really gets me 323 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,920 because of the vampire stuff. So I was like, it's a toss up 324 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,840 between between dread Knights and this. 325 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,240 But I do think that this is probably, I think last war is my 326 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,840 favorite. And this is like probably 327 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,880 immediately my second. I did want to say, are these 328 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,720 still available or were these just for the Kickstarter 329 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,280 release? The like the. 330 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,760 Kickstart cards were just crowd fund release those actually. 331 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,400 Those art cards actually resulted in me getting yelled at 332 00:17:54,400 --> 00:18:01,200 by my Postal Service person because they're reference cards 333 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,960 because we slid them in with a bunch of the orders as media 334 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,000 mail. Media mail. 335 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,480 I was going to. Send you, which you're not 336 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,000 supposed to do. And we just tried it once and we 337 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,080 got caught. So no more. 338 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,920 Never again. But yeah. 339 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,800 There are, they are like written material is. 340 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,920 It's not media, technically. It's got to be 8 pages or more. 341 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,240 Oh fuck them. You're right. 342 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,680 Yeah, so. But shout out to that, that was 343 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,880 when that was when I went to the different USPS. 344 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,120 Shout out to my home USPS on 17th Ave. 345 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,080 They're really great people. I go there every morning right 346 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,920 when they open and I roll out their big cart and I fill it 347 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,040 full of Cairn and I roll it and we'll Cairn in the weekends 348 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,360 orders and whatever else. And I roll it back inside all 349 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:55,600 full up. And they're like, thank you for 350 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,520 giving us work to do. And I'm like, thank you for 351 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,440 taking on this work to do because this is the next step in 352 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,200 the journey of these packages leaving my house. 353 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:10,760 There we go. So, so endless war between the 354 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,840 stars. This is new Forbidden Psalm 355 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,760 release for those that are not aware. 356 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,040 I mean, obviously Forbidden Psalm, skirmish game, Merkborg, 357 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,120 all that stuff. But what what is what makes this 358 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,560 different than what we've already talked about Last War 359 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,080 Dread Nights like all the rest of the different kind of like 360 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,680 supplemental versions of forbidden Psalm. 361 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:36,400 This one really leans more towards, I feel like kit bashing 362 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:41,000 your avatar because when you generate, there's there's 3D100 363 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,440 tables that you use to generate up your avatar and make it 364 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,200 really unique. And then that makes you want to 365 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,160 go and kit bash the actual mini in the make the monster and 366 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,760 stuff like that. Like I'm not going to play it 367 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,240 because I don't have time to. I'm not going to play it until I 368 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,840 actually get a chance to actually build my whatever my 369 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,800 avatar is going to be, and I just don't have that. 370 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,560 Space, but I've seen some people's avatars and they're 371 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,720 amazing what you can actually come up with. 372 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,280 So yeah, I really feel like it lean, it pushes, it pushes you 373 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,840 more towards kept bashing. And I really, really, really 374 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,280 like the investigators rules in there for A1V1 game where you 375 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,680 can have someone playing the cult and someone playing the 376 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,600 investigators to do that like, and it's they all of the math 377 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,080 works the same. Like the rules are still the 378 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,040 same. It's just they're just tailored 379 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,240 to being investigators, which I think is really super great. 380 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:47,320 So I'm kind of partial to things to board games like Arkham 381 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,080 Horror and things like that. So. 382 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,080 Investigator yeah, I actually have the PDF up for this run 383 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,120 through it a little bit. The graphic design on this, like 384 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:02,320 you said, is just so fantastic. Like I feel like it's always 385 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,280 been great. Like even the original forbidden 386 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,440 Psalm is like fantastic. But will just keeps getting 387 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,000 better and better and everything looks more and more interesting. 388 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,280 And it's just this one's such a killer. 389 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,840 I I mean, I mean, I'm really excited to see what horse war 390 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,680 looks like, but but this one just kills it. 391 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:24,520 And like you said, the the tables for creating your avatar. 392 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,480 And then, my gosh, the the Ville art all the way through. 393 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,560 I just pulled up the the crab 1, the abysmal terror of the deep 394 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,480 that wants to bring forth endless monstrosity. 395 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:42,480 It's like, it's crazy. It's just such a good book. 396 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,440 And then beyond just endless horrors between the stars, there 397 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,600 is other stuff that comes with it, right? 398 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,320 Yes, so we made the cult record, which I'm holding it up to the 399 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,280 screen and it just shows up as completely black because it's 400 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,240 like one of the darkest none none more black covers. 401 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,920 But it actually does say endless force from between the stars 402 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,800 cult record. And this is just a handy dandy 403 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,800 way to have your character sheets for your war band, your, 404 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,800 well, in this case, your cult or your investigators group or 405 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,480 nightly order or whichever you're playing at hand. 406 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,440 And it's got repetitions of the blank sheet so that you can 407 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,840 actually ride on there really easily. 408 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,400 And we make these for we we did one for war band book. 409 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,480 And then I've talked to will about doing one from work ball 410 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,840 at some point for the boot room book for just making a little 411 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,400 thing. It's just a nice little extra 412 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,160 thing to have and we always put the quick reference rules in the 413 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,560 back which are always even super more nice to have handy, 414 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,440 especially for something skirmishy where you really need 415 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,440 to know that. Like I would love to make like 416 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,360 big sheets somehow of the monster flow chart would be a 417 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,200 pretty cool thing to do. Maybe we can do one for some of 418 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,280 these. Except for to do that, it's like 419 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,320 the two page spread and to have those fit with the A5 size that 420 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,840 we normally print these books at. 421 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,840 Maybe one of these days if we go to a larger format for one of 422 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,600 the books or something, we'll do with the monster flow chart, 423 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,160 which would be really handy to have. 424 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,960 Yeah, I mean, it's just great to have like a character keeper so 425 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,400 you don't have to have the whole thing with you. 426 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,240 Because like, once you know the rules, it's great to be able to 427 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,080 just have something to reference and to be able to just quickly 428 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,520 flip through a very small book that you just like, tuck in your 429 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,000 pocket just about that's got your character and the rules is 430 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,440 fantastic. Yeah. 431 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,840 And then we also have for it, we also have Tengoku Station, which 432 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:49,880 is a sci-fi overlay for it written by Dan Palfrey. 433 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,160 So this was not written by Will. This was, but Will did the 434 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,760 design and there's Ville art in here, I believe. 435 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:07,970 Where are we at? Yes, there's no it's Boris, 436 00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:11,600 Boris Monsell and neon rot art and there we go. 437 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,640 There's one the the sweeper golem and the toxic horrors. 438 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,320 There we go. Yeah, page. 439 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,000 Anyway, this is a great sci-fi overlay for playing on a space 440 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,280 station. So you play as a cult at the end 441 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,400 of the world out on the space station and there's like a, it's 442 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,960 when we say overlay, it's just there's like 5 different cults 443 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,880 that you can possibly be a member of and they each have 444 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,680 their own faction desires and things like that that they want 445 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,760 to do. And then it tells you, it gives 446 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,760 you optional rules for playing in space and vacuum and things 447 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,440 like that. So which you know, just ways to 448 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,800 make your game harder. If you feel like a game is on 449 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,360 easy mode, there's all kinds of stuff. 450 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:00,960 And then there's a bunch more short missions in the back. 451 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,560 So yeah, it's effectively a mini a mini space campaign and we 452 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:14,080 only printed up enough of these for the crowd fund and a few 453 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,960 extra and when they're gone, they're gone. 454 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,720 So if anybody listen to this, if you're waiting to buy Tengoku 455 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:25,400 Station to keep your forbidden Psalm collection current, we are 456 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,760 running low. I think we're down underneath 50 457 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:34,680 of them now. So just one of those nice things 458 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,440 that we had some extra of so. I mean, I definitely snagged 459 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,560 mine with a Kickstarter and it is. 460 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,800 It is like everything else for forbidden Psalm. 461 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,280 It fucks so. Yeah, I got the digital edition 462 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,560 because I'm a broke boy. We. 463 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:57,160 Need to, we need to play this on stream at some point we got to 464 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,120 load some version into Tabletop Simulator and bring will on and 465 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:03,760 and run some of this at some point. 466 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,280 We've talked about like every expansion of this game that's 467 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,040 possible that's come out and then even before we started 468 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,960 doing the the not cat chat. So at some point we should 469 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,440 actually play it on the show. That would be nice I think. 470 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:22,040 I I downloaded a forbidden psalms like mod for Tabletop 471 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,840 simulator recently because I was playing around with stuff. 472 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,760 Yeah, we got to figure it out. We got to do it. 473 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,040 I would love to play that. I would love to play that. 474 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,240 Let's do it. Let's just all get together and 475 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,720 fucking do it. We'll figure it out at some 476 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,680 point this year when we all have time, right? 477 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,720 What's that? Yeah. 478 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,640 I mean, I have endless time. I do fucking nothing. 479 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,200 It's just the endless battle with the ADHD. 480 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,480 I don't have a a million, I don't have like 250,000 Cairn 481 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,080 boxes to to send out. But but how? 482 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,760 How? How's that going by the way? 483 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,520 It's going pretty well. We're down under like 1500 then 484 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,280 we got to pump out. So it's probably got about 485 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,560 another month or so worth, which is what we've been, you know, 486 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,560 telling people realistically that it was going to take until 487 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,760 the middle end of May. And if you don't receive your 488 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,480 box by like June 15th to message us. 489 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,320 Because then we'll we'll have at that point been able to send out 490 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,320 everybody's orders and then we can start trying to track down 491 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,280 individual orders that are lost and things like that. 492 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:35,800 So it's been a big exercise in making something, making a 493 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,720 fulfillment that large part of your life because it takes up a 494 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,080 lot of Debbie's time and takes up a lot of my time as well. 495 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,920 But it's been really great to watch the huge stash pile when 496 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,040 from when we moved in slowly get longer. 497 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,120 Like pretty soon we're going to have most of our front room 498 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:55,720 back. So we'll be able to move 499 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,960 Debbie's station table. So we'll be able to play board 500 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,520 games and we'll be able to have our friends over again because 501 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,640 we haven't had our, we haven't had our friends over since 502 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,560 January. So yeah, we just, because we 503 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,360 just, we don't have a place to actually set up and play a board 504 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,960 game because we play larger format board games like Wingspan 505 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,720 where you need a little bit extra room because everyone has 506 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,280 a player board and stuff like that. 507 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,360 So where we play something like Arkham Horror, which takes up 508 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:27,040 like most of the table, right? You know, so until until the 509 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,040 next giant crowd fund that you're going to have to fill up 510 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,760 all of your rooms for. Which is going right now, which 511 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,440 is Luminal Horror Deluxe Edition. 512 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,760 Oh, Luminal horror deluxe edition? 513 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,520 That's crazy. I. 514 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,240 See a rock in the Luminal Horror shoot. 515 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,360 Today, which is pretty cool. Had to, you know. 516 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,840 You know, I don't have one of those. 517 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,640 Debbie has a liminal horror dress, which is really cool. 518 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,480 That has the liminal horror logo repeated over all over it a 519 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,960 bunch of times, which is really cool. 520 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,480 Yeah, you didn't. Get one of the liminal horror 521 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,280 shirts. I haven't. 522 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,680 Buy this on your website. You did all. 523 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,840 Right. You did. 524 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,760 I have the luxury of working from home, so I wear the same 3T 525 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,960 shirts and then just wash them. So they've got these like super 526 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,160 comfy mothership shirts that are just like to die for. 527 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,000 I'll probably be buried in one of them because they're so 528 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,040 comfortable. But yeah, I know I need to get 529 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,200 myself a new Liminal Horror shirt. 530 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,440 But yeah, Liminal Horror Deluxe is going on right now. 531 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,200 We listened to the people yesterday and put the add-ons in 532 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,480 there for folks who wanted to go ahead. 533 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,960 And, and I'm just used to waiting until the end of a crowd 534 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,640 fund and then doing the add-ons as add-ons. 535 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,000 But the way that backer kit functions, it just makes it more 536 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,440 sense, made more sense for you to have them available, which 537 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,400 was pretty cool. I saw that post in discord of 538 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,280 Josh talking. Yeah, it's totally. 539 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,440 I looked at I looked at the comments on the backer kit page 540 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,160 and because I read the backer kit page was because I was like, 541 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,560 OK, well, I want to get the special edition book and a 542 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,880 regular edition and then there's not a pledge I could do it. 543 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,000 So I read the page and was like, oh, add-ons will be at the end. 544 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,440 Cool. And then went to the comments 545 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,480 and like everyone was like, where's the add-ons? 546 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,520 Why can't I do any add-ons? And I even messaged Josh. 547 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,360 I was like, it's crazy how many people don't just read the 548 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,440 fucking page. The giant thing that says 549 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,920 add-ons. It has like a list of add-ons. 550 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,120 But I mean, it makes sense. I know one person commented and 551 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,080 I've, I've, you know, we've talked about a little bit with 552 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,720 kickstarts and stuff before. Like if you do it afterwards, 553 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,040 it's not adding to your current funding goal, which could be 554 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,840 like stretch goals and stuff. So if you're close to not not 555 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,520 going over the edge and you could possibly throw out on that 556 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,440 makes sense. But I mean, it's already past 557 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,120 $80,000 and like 950 backers in the first five days. 558 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,120 So you're going to have at this point at least 1000 more things 559 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,640 to send out at some point and more to come. 560 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,280 But they're not box sets, which is cool because they're they're 561 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,720 different form factor. Now these are going to be 300 562 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,520 plus page books, like 350 plus page books, but they're going to 563 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,360 be the same 6 by 9 size that the parthenogenesis of Hungry Hollow 564 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,760 is. So if they're going to be a 565 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:16,280 little bit smaller than your A 4/8 and 1/2 by 11 D and D5 East 566 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,480 modules and things like that, they're 6 inch by 9 inch. 567 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,680 Oh good, it'll be smaller than all the D&D modules I have. 568 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,840 Cool. Right, I know you, but it's 569 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,360 going to it's going to be a really thick boy it's going to 570 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,480 be 350 plus pages so I. Think when when Doctor's on this 571 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:40,160 show, he said it's about the same size as Best Luck buried 572 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,120 deeper, which is this thick boy right here and actually thicker 573 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,440 because I think this is only barely pushing over 300. 574 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,640 This is 325. So it's a visit the 6 by 9 575 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,880 through 125 page book. So for those that haven't 576 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,600 watched our our liminal horror deluxe preview episode, that's 577 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,040 on the backer kit page or on our YouTube and go check it out and 578 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,360 Josh talks through all of it. We discussed that this is about 579 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,760 the size of the book, which is crazy compared to the first 580 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,160 printing of Liminal Horror. But what you get in it and all 581 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,040 the tool kits and stuff is I'm really excited for that. 582 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,640 I am so excited for the tool kits and that like even like the 583 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,960 generic locations thing at the end. 584 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,760 I cannot tell you how genius of a fucking idea I think that is. 585 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,720 That is one of the best ideas I I have heard in the game toolbox 586 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,640 so. Yeah, it's really nice having 587 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,840 edited it. I really feel like people are 588 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,960 going to be happy with it. Like I think it's going to be up 589 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:48,280 there with facilitator because it's the term we use in liberal 590 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,360 horror, facilitator. But with the person who 591 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,480 facilitates or dungeon Masters or runs the, OR judges the game 592 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,240 or whatever, that person doing that job, I think it's going to 593 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,320 be up there in terms of usability with what we did with 594 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,080 the Mothership Warden's operation manual. 595 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,680 As far as like, it focuses on the game and gives you the 596 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,720 basics of everything, but then teaches you how to make those 597 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,560 rulings and things like that and how to twist. 598 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:29,240 Because as Nick says in the book, you know, like no text can 599 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,360 make your game horror. It's it's how you build the 600 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,320 actual situation around you and the buy in that you get from 601 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,240 your players and your, you know, the people working with you to 602 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,600 tell these stories can make it horror. 603 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,360 That's that's how you make it horror. 604 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,120 That's how you make a sword and sorcery. 605 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,760 That's how you make a cozy. Like that's how you do anything. 606 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,960 No text can inherently be anything other than a text. 607 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,040 Very fair, but it tells you, it gives you, it gives you 608 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,320 functional tools to help guide it towards actually creating in 609 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,639 the actual aspect of the game that's happening at your table 610 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,440 and how to impart that horror and how to make it horrific and 611 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,320 things like that. Yeah, yeah, it's big young. 612 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,800 I think I really like I mean Hunter brought up already the 613 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,960 location guides in the back because I, you know, 5 E broke 614 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,960 my like desire to run adventures ever. 615 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,679 I ran like the entire campaign of like Princess of the 616 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,120 Apocalypse, like the like the baby of the the grandbaby of 617 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560 elemental evil bullshit one and it's one of the worst things 618 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,320 I've ever read. But it was new and it sounded 619 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,520 cool when I first started running it and it's fucking 620 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,679 terrible. And, and then I, you know, then 621 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,639 I started getting more into the OSR shit and whatever. 622 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,200 So like adventures that have like a beginning, a middle and 623 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,080 an end For me, it's just something I've tried to stay 624 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,280 away from a lot of the times. And what I really like to do is 625 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,520 just locations, like a series of locations and the story is like 626 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,160 the players interactions with all of them and what how their 627 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,760 brain works are together. So those like generic locations 628 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,000 in the back or just like spots and stuff in the back, I'm super 629 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,160 excited for to, for that exact reason. 630 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,720 Like we'll just do a series of locations and that can be our 631 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,240 campaign or we'll like put a couple together or whatever and, 632 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,720 and have the tools to just roll up all the stuff that goes for 633 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,960 each of it. And, and that's just like how I 634 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,040 like to, to GM and stuff. So having that so readily 635 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,480 available and also like done so well is going to be really, 636 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,080 really interesting. So I'm just, I it's also really 637 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,320 interesting too, because you don't get a lot of like even 638 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,160 mothership, for example, like mothership 1 E was a change in 639 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,840 the rules and stuff. But for the most part, liminal 640 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,000 horror is still liminal horror. The deluxe edition is just 641 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,120 deluxe. It's, it's stuff, it's stuff you 642 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,680 need. It's, it's a deluxe edition. 643 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,440 There's not, I, I can't think of a ton of games that just did 644 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,200 that where they put out like a deluxe version, not a 2 E 645 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,480 version or A1 E after the 0 beta or whatever. 646 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,280 Are you aware of a lot of of, of, of games that have done kind 647 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,800 of what they're what what you guys are doing? 648 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,320 No, not really. Yeah, I can think of that. 649 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,800 Didn't completely do an official only because, yeah, we're 650 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,200 keeping investigators in print in perpetuity. 651 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,200 Like that's meant to be. Like, if you're introducing 652 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,120 someone to the game, you just slap on the copy of 653 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,880 investigators and it's everything that you need to run 654 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,040 and play. Like it's just kind of that way. 655 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,600 It's such a better way to do things like the fact that I 656 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,680 still have my 2 investigator editions and or three or 657 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,680 whatever I may have and like I can just hand those up to my 658 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,480 players and have the tool kit or just have the investigator at 659 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,840 the table. And like, I don't need to lug 660 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,360 around the big book. I only need that for my plan 661 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,240 session beforehand. I'm like, oh, that's so much 662 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:04,120 more convenient than having to have the big book and reference 663 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:11,640 it all the time, you know? Yeah, it's, it's just a clever 664 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,840 way to do it. I mean, because again, at that 665 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,280 point you only the GM really needs to get the deluxe and we 666 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,240 don't need anything realistically, right, But like 667 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,720 would would really benefit from it and especially if something 668 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,680 like like the Karen box set that I did just receive my know. 669 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,400 Thank you so much getting like the player guide, the GM guide 670 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,520 and then like 3 or like the the the Warden's manual, but then 671 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,840 like 3 of the player guides is such a great thing to do. 672 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,480 So is there a pledge that lets you get like, yeah, like the 673 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,800 director of operations and some of the smaller pledges to let 674 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,080 you get like the book, the adventures, and then like 3 or 4 675 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,640 versions of the investigators guide, which is so nice to have 676 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,240 that you can just literally just be like, oh, we're playing the 677 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:51,680 game. Here you go. 678 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,400 Here you go, here you go. So. 679 00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,400 Yeah, I always, because I, I had that went from when I was 680 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,120 running a lot of public play games, I would find myself 681 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,680 photocopying large sections to the manual just to have the 682 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,240 character creation sections and things like that to be able to 683 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,160 be easier to hand out. DCC does a great job of that 684 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,920 with their quick starts. Over the years, the many, many, 685 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,160 many, many, many iterations of those quick starts have just 686 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,160 been wonderful to be able to pick up and hand to a player. 687 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,160 And that's everything they need to know to play like levels one 688 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,640 to three, like, and DCC gives that shit away for free. 689 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,320 Like love that. Like it's just so good to be 690 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,160 able to just pick it up and toss it to someone brand new to the 691 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,120 game that first time and their first game is something like DCC 692 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,160 and you're just like, here you go, welcome to the fold. 693 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:49,320 Have fun. Here I have like 4 versions of 694 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,600 the quick start back there somewhere. 695 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,040 I bet you do. Yeah. 696 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,560 Well, I mean, I think half the Kickstarters I got it came with 697 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,040 one. Maybe we'll just do that for the 698 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,040 show. Maybe we'll just be like, yeah, 699 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,680 we're not going to do the whole book, let's just do the quick 700 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,600 start. But I don't want to change it 701 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,480 into DCC. But but so so space finger right 702 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,520 now you're getting Karen to eat in everybody's hands. 703 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:16,160 We have in source in the shop right now, along with everything 704 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,160 else that's always been there. You got lemon hoard deluxe 705 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,960 Kickstarter backer kitting right now, first of all. 706 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,960 Also, quick side note, little tangent here. 707 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:29,640 Backer kit, man, how much more viable is backer kit now than it 708 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,920 was like 3 years ago? Like could you imagine like 709 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,520 $80,000 in five days on backer kit like when it first dropped? 710 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,640 I feel, I feel like it's, they've been listening to us and 711 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,720 improving their software and their engagement tools. 712 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,480 And I've been lucky to use it for a lot of the beta like I 713 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,600 like we did reran Land of EEM on it and in the beta days and 714 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,040 especially being part of Mothership month and watching 715 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,840 how the beta tools roll out for that. 716 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,800 So yeah, they've been, they've been, they're a great company. 717 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,640 They've been listening to us and paying attention to us as small 718 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,600 creators and helping us get over some of those humps that we 719 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,720 might run into otherwise. Yeah, Yeah. 720 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,640 I mean, they're been quickly, quickly becoming like good 721 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,800 competition for Kickstarter where I know even when we talked 722 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,800 to people in the last couple of years, backer kit was like that. 723 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,560 Oh, we'll just do like a smaller project, like with a smaller 724 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,960 funding goal and stuff like that. 725 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,920 But the fact that bigger projects are being able to hit 726 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,080 it and make good money, like, you know, Kickstarter, like the 727 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,280 parity between the two is getting much, much, much more 728 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,400 close. I mean you guys did wasn't care 729 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,240 to be on backer kit. No, Karen 2A was on Kickstarter. 730 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,680 Kicked on Kickstarter and that was like 250 K and again, but 731 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,960 this has now made you know almost 85 K in the first five 732 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,720 days, which is crazy. So it's it's so nice that a 733 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,720 platform that the a that there's more than one platform people 734 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,520 aren't focused just on Kickstarter now B that you said 735 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,040 they're listening C that like again, you're able to make the 736 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,000 money that you can make so you can make the projects. 737 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,280 It's great to see. I know some of the other 738 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,800 crowdfunding like there was like a little a bunch popped up that 739 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,040 haven't really quite panned out as much, but it's great to see 740 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,960 the backyard kit really did you know kind? 741 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,400 Of like a user like customer side like it. 742 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,360 It does work really well. It's easy to look through, it's 743 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,840 not full of garbage. Yeah, I've I'm enjoying engaging 744 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,920 with it on the other end. Honestly, I wish it had dark 745 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,040 mode. Does it have dark mode I? 746 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,880 Don't think. So I have dark mode for 747 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,800 everything in my life, so I couldn't tell you. 748 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,640 I mean, it's dark mode for me right now. 749 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:56,000 But Oh yeah, I mean, you can just download like what's it 750 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,360 called? What are the extensions to just 751 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,960 turn everything dark mode? I have a great one. 752 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,680 Spread that and it messes with certain certain applications. 753 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,760 I have that, yeah. I have two. 754 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,680 So that if one messes with one, usually the other one doesn't. 755 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,240 And they actually added dark mode within the last couple of 756 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:17,680 months to the charting system we use at work, which is really 757 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,680 great because before it was like super fucking bright. 758 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160 So even at work now I can have my whole life in dark mode, 759 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:29,800 which is really, really great. But yeah, so, so on top of all 760 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,520 of those things, the the bajillion things you got going 761 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,640 on Space Penguin, what else is cooking? 762 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,440 Like what's what's coming up? Anything else Or you kind of in 763 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,360 like let's get this stuff out mode before you jump on anything 764 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,000 else. So we've got the survivors of 765 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,360 the Core Wars deck. Those are inbound on a boat. 766 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,800 We're not sure when those are going to land or how hard we're 767 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,520 going to get hit by tariffs on those we're waiting to see. 768 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,760 Rest assured that none of that cost will be passed on to 769 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,160 backers. We're just not playing that game 770 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,760 like I'm not, I'm not doing that. 771 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,400 Like I just we, we printed the book or we will the card deck 772 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,200 and we're waiting to see what's going to happen. 773 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,560 And you know, we're going to suck it up and we're going to 774 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,600 eat it. We also have, I did get a sample 775 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,640 copy of the Ghost of Zoes on a Mountain, which is another 776 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,880 smaller crowd fund that we ran on back or get last fall. 777 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:30,000 That this book is really great. It's a nice little 89 page, 90 778 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,760 page maybe, but it's got some binding and really amazing art. 779 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,440 Thomas's Thomas's art throughout this thing is just so good. 780 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,680 His design is so amazing. Like his writing is super 781 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,520 evocative. This one's for OSE. 782 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,520 So this one is actually getting ready to come on a boat. 783 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,160 We're trying to I'm out and see if the tariffs possibly get 784 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,360 lifted or if they're listed for four, nine O 1.99, the 785 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,000 harmonized code that are for books. 786 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,320 We'll see how that goes. But those those are both 787 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,600 scheduled to fulfill in quarter three this year, like on track, 788 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,920 like we said they were going to be. 789 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,320 So those are going well. And then, yeah, it's a lot of 790 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,600 work with Liminal Horror. I did my editing pass the the 791 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,800 day of the main manuscript and everything like that. 792 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,400 And now Josh is putting that thing into layout right now and 793 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,080 he and Goblin Archives are working on that fast as they 794 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,280 can. Zach turned in all the art, so 795 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,040 all the art is in for that now. Anything else that Zach's 796 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,000 drawing is just extra and filler, like when Zach has extra 797 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,520 free time and stuff like that. So all of the writing's done, 798 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,200 all the editing's done, all of the art is done, and layout is 799 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,640 in process. While we're crowdfunding because 800 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,080 we're planning on sending out the finished PDF in July for 801 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,960 everyone to like read over and to spot any mistakes that we 802 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,440 make. Because there's always going to 803 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,920 be mistakes. It's just the nature of making 804 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,080 books, of making game books, especially when you've got a lot 805 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,360 of people who read a lot very intently and intensely. 806 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,600 You're going to get a lot of feedback. 807 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,600 So yeah. And then we've got our we still 808 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,680 doing our monthly releases and next month is Rose Thorn Keep, 809 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,560 which is a really great little thing by Charlotte and Cadence 810 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:30,040 and it is solo role-playing. You just need a couple of D 811 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:35,440 sixes and you can while away your afternoon playing Rose 812 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:42,400 Thorn Keep After that we've got X Libras, which is for it's a 813 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,480 we're calling it second party Luminal horror because it won 814 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:54,720 the one of the recent jams. So that's coming out from Tyler 815 00:45:54,720 --> 00:46:00,680 and Beau Ryan and I feel like I'm missing one that I 816 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,600 solicited. I solicited Karen. 817 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,880 I feel like there's another one that I'm being bad to my 818 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,120 children. Hang on one second. 819 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,360 I got to look it up because I'm going to feel really bad if I 820 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:30,680 do. Oh Empire, Empire of Hatred, 821 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:36,200 which is a a hex crawl for Morkboard done by. 822 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,040 Sam Sorens. Oh, Sam Sorensen. 823 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,880 OK, Sam Sorensen. Sees of Sees of Sam. 824 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,720 Sees of Sam Cesar sand, Sam Sorenson low, low lowlife Sam 825 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:52,240 Sorenson. So that's coming out in June and 826 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:56,000 then we've got, like I said, ex Libris in July and then that's 827 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,960 as far as I got scheduled out right now. 828 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,040 So we might take a break in August because we're going to be 829 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,120 at Gen. Con and we kind of want to just 830 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,640 breathe a little bit. But then we'll be back in the 831 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,280 fall with more new stuff. So if there's another mothership 832 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,160 month, then we're going to be probably running a campaign for 833 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:20,480 my other ship. And there's some board games. 834 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,760 Of course, we all know in Tariff World board games are a no no, 835 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,120 so that doesn't mean that the board games aren't being worked 836 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,840 on. Like Kill the Wizard is 837 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,120 currently getting illustrations for all of the cards that go 838 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,160 into that. What else? 839 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,480 There's, yeah, there's, there's always new stuff around the 840 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,920 corner. I don't know. 841 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,520 I'm saying I'm I'm surprised as M source and doing a work board 842 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,840 game. Not that I know them well enough 843 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:58,960 to say that, but I'm curious and I'm very curious. 844 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:04,440 I'm excited to see that and and roast over Keith next next 845 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,960 month. Yes. 846 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,960 Charlotte Fantastic worked with Binary Star on Celestial Bodies, 847 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,240 who talked to the Celestial Bodies bunch. 848 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,480 They made over $50,000 on that Kickstarter. 849 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,600 Very excited to get that book, which is going to be another 850 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,960 little thick boy. So really there's a lot of stuff 851 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,600 coming out. You know, it's really 852 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,360 interesting. Last year we pretty much were 853 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,600 like, this is going to be the greatest year in TDRB DS ever 854 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,280 because like every freaking Kickstarter came out and it was 855 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,160 like Dolman Wood and then Karen 2E and like all the rest of it. 856 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,960 And then like I think the only one we I have is Karen 2E right 857 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,680 now. I think we're still waiting for, 858 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,600 for everything else that crowdfunded last year. 859 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,840 So I'm curious to see what's all going to come out and get in 860 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,320 hands. But we, we, we got to go over 861 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,160 Karen 2 EE. We got, we got over Karen 1E. 862 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,920 We, I think we talked about before we, we, we might do a 863 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,640 Karen month where we do 1E2E and maybe see a few eyes want to 864 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,160 come on and, and talk to our our dumbasses and then maybe a Karen 865 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,160 hack or something. But that'd be fun. 866 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,880 Nice. Yeah, I have to talk to, I don't 867 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,960 know somebody that knows them that can facilitate maybe that, 868 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,080 but we'll see. I might be able to make that 869 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,840 happen. We'll see. 870 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,200 We'll see. And then, well, there was one 871 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,600 other thing that's going on right now too, right? 872 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,440 The childhood Kickstarter that went to digital, right? 873 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,760 Yep. And that's. 874 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,680 So Will Will made the executive decision to switch that over and 875 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:39,880 run that on digital only. It was an attempt at learning 876 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,040 backer kit and also an attempt at a different style. 877 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,720 And we feel that like the forbidden song folks like aren't 878 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:53,320 opposed to childhood, but they're definitely in it to win 879 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,560 it for the Grimm, the grimness that we put out. 880 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,520 So then the next one, I can already tell you the next one 881 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,760 for those is called Hope is for the Dead, and it's going to be 882 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:10,160 the Zombies forbidden Zone. And that one is in the works. 883 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,680 That one's the next one on my desk. 884 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,880 I think that one you're. Always so good. 885 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,880 Yeah, I think that one's going to crowdfund in July. 886 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,600 Oh, really already? Yes. 887 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,320 Yeah, guys. Just ain't stopping. 888 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,320 It's just it's. Just try not to. 889 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,240 Can't stop. Can't stop, won't stop. 890 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,880 We found a new printer in England for the forbidden Psalm 891 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,880 books as well, and they're printing on and now we can 892 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,800 guarantee with all of the forbidden Psalm books that 893 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,440 they're printed on 100% post consumer, which gets the stuff 894 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,560 that makes the pages even thicker because the materials is 895 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,720 even coarser, which is really nice. 896 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,760 So yeah, Will showed me a copy of Forbidden Psalm, the first 897 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,880 print run that we had done versus the second print run that 898 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,280 he just had done extras for over there for his convention season 899 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,880 and stuff like that. And it's even chunkier so. 900 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,680 Like a good a good chunky boy. We haven't had good thick paper 901 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,720 in a while, you know, I mean, there used to be a publisher 902 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,720 that that that made a lot of very nice stuff with very thick 903 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,440 paper. And it was, it was very lush. 904 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,520 I don't think they're they're really doing much anymore. 905 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,400 But who who doesn't like some good thick chunky paper? 906 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:33,160 I do, yeah. I think that's, I think that's, 907 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,760 it sounds like hopefully that's everything you got cooking 908 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,320 because again, you have no time for anything. 909 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,160 And I'm sure you got a lot of other stuff going on. 910 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,360 Anything else I think or or is that is that is that the month 911 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,080 for Space Penguin Inc I. Think that's I think that wraps 912 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,680 our month for Space Penguin. Yeah, and Liverpool won today 913 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,800 right before the show starts. So you never walk alone. 914 00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:00,360 One more win, one more win clinches the season with with 915 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,560 five games left. So suck it, Man United. 916 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,920 And that'll be that'll be 20 maybe and then that. 917 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,040 So that'll be us again. We will always have Jared on as 918 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,080 long as he is willing to put up with us and listen. 919 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,880 If you're listening, suggest our our random tangent to start the 920 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,200 show for next month. And again, let us know how you 921 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,720 feel about the eternal champions below. 922 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,280 Make sure you click the links that are down below to go buy 923 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,040 the things we talked about today. 924 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,400 Again, down to very few of these bad boys right here. 925 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,680 And you definitely want to get Endless Source from Between the 926 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,400 Stars and everything that Forbidden Song puts out. 927 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,160 Sure, it is always a pleasure. We will see you in in less than 928 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,280 a month to talk about, you know, the things we previewed a little 929 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,440 bit today. And I think that's it. 930 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,280 That's our show for the day. Thank you for having me on as 931 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,760 always. Always. 932 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,960 All right, We will see you all later. 933 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,160 Bye. Bye.