1 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,160 Can I do this? I'm a ghost. 2 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,560 You absolutely can and you absolutely on the weekly show 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,480 podcast. By the way, my name is Ryan. 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,960 Oh and I you know, I just had my first shift at crowd site strike 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,200 last night. I hope I updated everything 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,800 correctly. I'm Jared. 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,280 That's us. I want to do that for about 170 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,560 episodes. If we fucking did it, now I'm a. 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,920 Ghost. You are a ghost. 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,800 You are. Well, let's see if you continue 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,440 to be a ghost or if your camera sticks with us throughout this 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,480 time. I think we fixed it, though. 13 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:52,400 I'm going to be honest, I think very HD to me. 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,920 Yeah, you. Look incredibly high definition. 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,280 I can see you in 4K actually. You can see into my pores and 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,760 stuff. This is suddenly a liminal 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,440 horror module. Deep inside, it's like one of 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,400 those pictures where you keep zooming in, but you keep finding 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,680 more civilization. And it's like, you know what I 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,240 mean actually? Or like one of those. 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,120 Or like one of those magic Eye things where you see the picture 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,680 inside the picture. We're doing really well so far. 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,280 You. Know so far for us. 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,160 And I love Magic Eye as a kid, that shit was so good. 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,120 I could always see that there was something there, but I could 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,720 never tell what the fuck it was. You know, I could be like, it's 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,720 right there and then they're like, it's a giraffe. 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,400 I'm like, no, it fucking isn't. But it was apparently it was a. 29 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,960 Giraffe. Yeah, it's a sailboat. 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,800 So yeah, so this is not cat chat. 6. 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,080 Question mark 8. Eight. 32 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:51,560 It can't, No. 8. I said six, you said eight. 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:57,200 It's probably 7, I say. 10 No. But it's six. 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,480 It is in fact six. It is 6. 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,040 It is 6. That means we've been doing this 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,640 for six months. Isn't that crazy? 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,880 Six months, six months of not cat chats. 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,840 And you were on prior to that. So for those that don't know 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,280 what the fuck is going on right now, I do apologize for the 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,840 massive amount of ADHD that just hammered you. 41 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:18,720 But once again, I'm Ryan. This is the weekly for a 42 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,840 podcast. We sometimes talk about indie 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,840 TTRPGS, mostly rant about random other shit. 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,200 But every month we have Jerk Crater, the man, the myth, the 45 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:36,240 legend, the percent of 1000 credits on to talk about 500 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,680 everything. Going on, but someday, someday. 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,160 1000 credits. Is 5500 feels like a low number 48 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,080 feels. Low. 49 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,800 It's 500 plus, but I haven't updated, updated them since the 50 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,000 year, since the beginning of the year or the end of last year at 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,480 some point. So it's just a big list and I 52 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,120 just like I add stuff to it and well, because and here The thing 53 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,960 is, is like the end, the the year to years change too, 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:08,840 because some things that I edited that came out to or that 55 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:15,160 that I finished the work on X amount of years ago just now are 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,400 coming out. You know, like that's just the 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,560 it's the production cycle on certain products and books and 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,080 stuff like that. So yeah, like to product like, 59 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,360 like it took a while to get the printing and what not and all 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,000 that done, plus international shipping, plus logistics and 61 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 handling and delivery and everything else. 62 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:41,680 But like, I was hands free on that one sometime in October, 63 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,760 November 22. So yeah. 64 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,440 So what I do is on my big list of things is I put, I put that 65 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,160 title on there and then I put the word forthcoming after that. 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,040 Then when it comes out into relief that because if I don't 67 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,880 put that down, then I'll forget that I've actually worked on a 68 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:06,280 thing, done that before. And then it'll come back around 69 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,600 like, you know, you know, a couple years later or whatever 70 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:10,720 it is. And then when it's actually 71 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,400 released, then I put it on the year that it was actually 72 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,880 released. Then I go back and change it. 73 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,640 Then I update the total for the previous year. 74 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,640 So, you know, right now it's over 500, I would say probably 75 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,320 less than maybe maybe around 5:15. 76 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,840 So we're getting there. We're getting there approaching 77 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:30,800 1000. I don't know. 78 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,760 It's not really a goal of like doing like a certain number. 79 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:41,880 It's it's a goal of like doing like the fact of doing these 80 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,120 everyday. Like I talk, I talk to other 81 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,080 creators and other artists and things like that. 82 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,720 Like it's, it's just, it's the concept of doing it everyday. 83 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,240 Like if you want to talk about words, we're talking millions of 84 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:02,520 words probably easily, you know. But again, like, I don't know, 85 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,880 it's weird. It's like applying metrics to to 86 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,280 an art form is kind of a strange, kind of a strange thing 87 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:11,800 to me. I'm a big baseball fan, which 88 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:18,160 segues me into talking about Centennial baseball 1876 that 89 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,760 I've been sorry, it's just over here behind me. 90 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,680 I was reading up on the rules earlier. 91 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,640 It's a it's a little solo or duo baseball ball in the dead ball 92 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,320 era simulator from 1980 something. 93 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,080 Look at this beauty. Look at this beauty. 94 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,760 Wow, that's guy. That's some that's some of the 95 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,880 balls from baseball. This is played in the grill. 96 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,240 Good old days Chatham Hill games. 97 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,120 Never heard of them before. Doesn't have a year on it. 98 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,960 Oh no, no, no. Here we go. 1994. 99 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,880 Whoa, I thought it was the Seventies. 1994. 100 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,720 Wow. Newer than, I mean newer than I 101 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,200 thought it was. It almost is, you know, 102 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,800 equivalent to the 70s. Now you know how you feel about 103 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:14,040 the 70s a few years ago because time keeps moving forward and 104 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,840 we're set. What happens in the year 2024? 105 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:19,080 Yeah, I don't know. I keep trying to stop it but it 106 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,880 doesn't seem to be working. That's because you're getting 107 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:21,720 older. What? 108 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,960 I I, I got to look up that theory at some point. 109 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:30,640 But it talks about like time and like, why like an hour feels 110 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,560 like a week when we're a kid and like a year feels like a day 111 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,960 when we're an adult. But it's about like the 112 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,520 knowledge of the amount of time we have and like how the 113 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,520 percentage that we've used as a kid versus percentage we've used 114 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,280 as an adult. And. 115 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,200 Yeah, I I feel like I'm now just this person who like every time 116 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,280 I talk, I'm like, it's already July. 117 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:55,720 Like it's already July. It's crazy. 118 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,040 It's crazy. But you are, you're you're a big 119 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,680 board game guy. I mean, that's, that's why you 120 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,080 have the game like baseball. Yeah. 121 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Well. Yeah. 122 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,480 I mean, it's like I also got that for $8 at, I think I got it 123 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,320 at packs last year. So thanks, that's the kind of 124 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,280 fun stuff I buy. Like it's why I'm excited to go 125 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,640 to Gen. Con. 126 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,240 There's a game store called Chimera and they come there 127 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,920 every year and their display booth at their Gary Con and PAX 128 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,720 as well. But their display booth at Gen. 129 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,400 Con is when they bring all the dead CCGs. 130 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:42,800 And I'm also a fan of dead CCGs because I was junior in high 131 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:53,120 school, sophomore in high school 9293 ish when CCGs first came to 132 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,720 prominence. You know, early days of magic 133 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,520 and Wyvern and doom trooper and vampire and things like that. 134 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:07,960 So anyway, their their booth is also amazing and great at Gen. 135 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,480 Con because it's just like dead CCG heaven. 136 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,040 Do you have an addiction to dead CCGs, Ryan? 137 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,920 I was in a magic as a kid and then I got too into CCG that is 138 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,120 now dead. Just like which one? 139 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,360 It would which one? I've never heard of that one. 140 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,679 Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah. Like shocking nobody. 141 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,080 The CEO just randomly shut it all down and ran. 142 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,360 So it was cool. I just liked the creepy, the 143 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,760 creepy art. It had like a fourth wall brake 144 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,840 mechanic where a lot of the stuff was like if it's a night 145 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,680 card, you get boosts if it's night time outside or if like 146 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,240 you could do like you get boost for like certain like Tara cards 147 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,320 if you're like a certain distance from that thing. 148 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,360 There were a lot of the cards had these like 4th wall effects 149 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,600 where like you could in order to use this ability, you have to be 150 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,160 wearing like this kind of shirt or something. 151 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,320 So it was, I imagine playing the game and just coming with like 152 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,640 basically like a like a like a fishing tackle box of things. 153 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,040 Just be like, oh, I have to be near a charm. 154 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,560 Boom, there it is right there, you know. 155 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,160 But yeah, it died and I have a lot of it. 156 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,720 Not that I ever played it. I just liked the creepy art and 157 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,200 shit. So I collected a bunch of a 158 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,520 bunch of cool stuff. It's called meta zoo. 159 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,880 Yeah, yeah, Meta as in like, you know, because they had a 4th 160 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,720 wall break and zoo is in animals and shit. 161 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,880 It's cool. I got AI got a bajillion. 162 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,520 I'll send you a ton. I'll send you like a fat. 163 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:44,960 You know they will live here in in harmony. 164 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,000 I'm not kidding, I have way too many and I should put them away. 165 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:55,480 I think to be a sorcery TCG data set not too long ago. 166 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,280 Well, these are only from like four years ago, yeah. 167 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,760 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they and then it and 168 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:05,400 then they they went. Didn't I send you some meta zoo 169 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,800 hunter? Didn't I send you a ton? 170 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,280 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. 171 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,720 And it just is it just sitting somewhere doing nothing. 172 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,920 Yeah, absolutely. I looked at it not too long ago 173 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,200 so I was like, this is pretty cool. 174 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,720 Yeah, yeah. There's a game called Is it on 175 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,480 the edge or over the edge, whichever 11's the RGG. 176 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,720 No, no, not edging. Oh, over the hedge, The 177 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,960 DreamWorks movie. No, but that sounds pretty fun 178 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:39,480 on the edge from Atlas games. The over the edge is the RPG and 179 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,480 on the edge is the CCG, and it has a lot of those forth. 180 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,840 Well it's from it too is from the 90s. 181 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,680 I too have a lot of those. If you would like some of those 182 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,680 tell you what, I will trade you both because I got stuff I need 183 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:54,240 to send to both of you for next month. 184 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,840 No, no, no. You're gonna get some packs of 185 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,440 of On the Edge cards in there. I think it's funny, I think you 186 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,560 think that I have a lot of meta Zoo, and then I need you to know 187 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:08,480 me like you know me and think of how much I actually have. 188 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:16,000 You have like a lot, a lot of. Like like like way too much for 189 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:19,520 like an. Did you like a couple of cases 190 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:22,640 of SO my? Problem and why I should never 191 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,440 get into CCDS and why I never did until this was. 192 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,240 I'm a completionist. Oh, and you wanted to get a full 193 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,200 set and there wasn't like a a manufacturer's base set or 194 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,040 something that you can have. I got you. 195 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:40,120 So guess I'm I so I have multiple entire runs of their 196 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,880 cards and it only took like 20 plus booster boxes each to to do 197 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,440 that. So yeah, I have, I have a couple 198 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,480 extra like thousands and thousands of thousands just in a 199 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,120 fox. Millions. 200 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,560 Yeah, we used to do. We used to do the same thing 201 00:11:56,560 --> 00:12:00,160 with the Decipher CC Star Wars CCG which was great. 202 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,880 Like loved the shit out of that game. 203 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,000 Still have that, still play that. 204 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,280 From time to time I'll set up a light side deck and a dark side 205 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:13,440 deck and just play myself. But I, yeah, my friend Daniel 206 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,600 and I, we used to get booster boxes of that because we wanted 207 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,120 to get multiples of the runs. Not we weren't like in the 208 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,040 collecting, we were definitely in the playing. 209 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,640 But like most CCGs, it's the number of them that you have in 210 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,160 your deck determines how fast you're gonna draw that card, 211 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,920 etc. And so for actual gameplay 212 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,800 purposes, why are we talking about CCGs? 213 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,960 No. Are you trying playing with 214 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,560 ourselves? Are you? 215 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,720 Trying to trick me into publishing a CCG. 216 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,040 You should do it. You should do it before we get 217 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,080 into before we get into the releases. 218 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,600 I'm gonna I'm gonna do this cuz I did wave this around a little 219 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,600 bit before we get into the releases for space plan. 220 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,120 I do. I do want to talk about 221 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,840 something you did mention. We do have to find out here 222 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,320 which your name is on this. And it was like two years ago. 223 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,320 How, how, how did it come out? Because as far as I'm concerned, 224 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,360 this book is is excellent. Yeah. 225 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,920 So I think Luke started writing that would have been in 21. 226 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,720 We're sketching out portions of it. 227 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:24,680 I remember seeing sections of it in 20 or 2021, like some of the 228 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,800 buildings. And I want to say I saw early 229 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,400 versions of the Ash Mouth Raiders and I think at the time 230 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,520 when he showed it to me, I didn't know that it was intended 231 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,520 for more Borg. And then when he got it all 232 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,640 written up, it was just because I had been on the editorial team 233 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,800 on more Borg and Heretic and Ferratory and other stuff and 234 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:55,040 the what petrescence on the main more work stuff and the majority 235 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:00,480 of the main more Borg stuff. And it was they had pitched it, 236 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,120 Johann and Luke had pitched it to EF. 237 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,600 So I was project managing an EF and I was also just like, I'm 238 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,760 going to edit this too. So mostly just because I'm, I'm 239 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,840 pretty, I'm I'm pretty protective of a lot of writers 240 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,280 that I work with. I would say most writers that I 241 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,880 work with, if I, if I enjoy working with them and working 242 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,760 with their stuff. And so I, I like it's once you 243 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,760 I, I don't like to work with a bunch of new people constantly, 244 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,160 all the time, every day. Nobody, nobody does it. 245 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,720 It helps when you work with the same people over and over and 246 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,800 you can actually work in a developmental capacity with 247 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,120 their actual ability to write and things like that. 248 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,800 And so it had been a hot minute since Luke and I had done 249 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,640 anything or I've done anything. I think I'd already wrapped 250 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,120 slivers or slivers was in some version of it was swipers was in 251 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,400 some state anyway. But edited that and got to play 252 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:01,640 boats with Eric and Will when we tested out Luke's boat combat. 253 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:07,200 And that came out pretty well. And then, yeah, went to the 254 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,760 print. Johan made those really cool, 255 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,080 those chips and the maps and whatnot. 256 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,440 This is all like bonus. This is all like bonus material 257 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,320 to me. I just I saw these things after 258 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,520 they had been produced, so this is pretty. 259 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,040 Fun. Do you know the problem with 260 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,400 these chips? There ain't no problem with 261 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,920 those chips. The problem with those chips is 262 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,840 you need to cut them. Yeah. 263 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,040 So the the problem with these chips is I'm not going to do 264 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,080 that. So if I want to use them, I'm 265 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,760 going to have to buy a second one of these books. 266 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,720 I guess you're going to have to buy a second one of these books. 267 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,680 Just so I can break these up because I don't. 268 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,320 Jam, he will do that. I know I've done it multiple 269 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,160 times. I have two two Mouse Rider box 270 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,600 sets just so I can break break your cards up on one of them. 271 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,320 I do want to say so the credits page on this is kind of is 272 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,200 insane. Words by Luke Gehring, 273 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,120 autographic design by Johann Noor, editing from some guy 274 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,040 named Jarrett Crater, play testing from Air Kill and Will 275 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,080 Rachman, and production management by Exalted Funeral 276 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,480 and Andre Navoa. And for those who don't know who 277 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,080 that is, that is games omnivorous. 278 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,200 Yes, that is that is a who's who's like tip of the top of 279 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,240 kind of, in my opinion, which is one that matters on the show, 280 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,800 the indie scene. And like, if I was ever going to 281 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,320 do a book, if any of those people's names were in my book, 282 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,960 I would be ecstatic. That's quite the that's quite 283 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:36,360 the that's quite the God. What was that thing where people 284 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,000 would get like super, super banned, you know, kind of 285 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,320 situation there? How are you saying that we're 286 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,000 the Eagles? Sure. 287 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,080 Yeah, I'll say the Eagles. I was thinking like my. 288 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,720 The traveling rotaries. Well, I would have been more. 289 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,320 If I can be Tom Petty. You can always be Tom Petty. 290 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,160 Thanks man. I will say Tom Petty's Greatest 291 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,359 Hits is unquestionably the best summer driving album ever. 292 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,680 I can't imagine anything better than my elbow out the window on 293 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,240 a Sunday day. Are you a Jeep driver? 294 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,520 Do you drive a Jeep? No, no. 295 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,440 You almost did something about your statement about Tom Petty's 296 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,680 music, if not a Jeep. What do I definitely drive if 297 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,520 it's not a Jeep? A Toyota. 298 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,400 The opposite. No, no. 299 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,120 I don't know. I don't know what you're 300 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:30,920 driving. It's a Subaru Outback. 301 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,040 Oh, how about cool? Yeah, neat. close enough. 302 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,040 Close enough to Jeep. Yeah, I know this this book to 303 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,440 sum up this to product really super excited that it came out 304 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,560 really super happy and that it exists. 305 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:48,200 The the book as artifact is really pretty and cool and neat. 306 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,240 And I hope like when it goes up for award seasons and other 307 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,800 stuff next year. And I hope, I hope more folks 308 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:03,160 read it then then not because some of Luke's better writing in 309 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,480 a while. I feel like, like he just kind 310 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,000 of went in a direction and, you know, with, with the the 311 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,880 overarching design and then statements and elements that 312 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:22,080 Johann and Pella put in there. Like overall, like it's, yeah, 313 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,000 it's really fun. There's just a lot of really 314 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:30,760 neat places to interact with. You can kind of just get there 315 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,160 when you need to get there. Like there's cool ways to get 316 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,560 there. There's stuff I don't know. 317 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,360 It's just good content. It's yeah, it's what it is. 318 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:40,840 So it's. Fantastic. 319 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,360 It's I mean, as you said, book as artifact is incredible. 320 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:49,000 So it's the same exact kind of book as like frontier scum, 321 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,160 which I can only assume that you know, games omnivorous had had 322 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,120 some, you know, good, good things to say for. 323 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,680 The same printer, yeah. Yeah, the binding is incredible. 324 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,560 The entire thing is like is black. 325 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,840 It's like an ash black tephritic nightmares written across which 326 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,520 is incredible. It comes off on your hands. 327 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,520 It comes off on your hands by the way, like if you touch it 328 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:16,720 enough and mess with it. Like I noticed that when the the 329 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,480 bubble wrap that it was wrapped in that it came in the black, 330 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,800 the the bubble wrap was all black and ashy. 331 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,080 And I thought that was pretty fun. 332 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,720 Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's definitely sprayed and all 333 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,200 that with the book closed. So the secret that I had for 334 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,000 quickly opening it instead of going page by page is for those 335 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,280 listening, in case you haven't cracked your Tefraac nightmares, 336 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,320 is if you just take your pages and then go like this, they all 337 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,480 crack apart super easily. But yeah, as artifact, it's 338 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,560 it's, it's absolutely stunning. I mean, even they even did the 339 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,640 the expose by in black. It's it's incredible all the way 340 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,000 through the these, you know, thick cardboard slabs on the 341 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,480 front inside and out are black as well. 342 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,480 It's it's incredible. I've got I haven't read the 343 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,080 entire thing yet. I've read a bunch of it. 344 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,760 And as you said, it's I mean, it's loot gearing, you know, and 345 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,600 then the layout. It definitely feels like. 346 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,400 Like the like Merkborg, you know, like the next evolution 347 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,160 kind of along the thing, especially since Johan did the 348 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,280 graphic design. So it feels very much like like 349 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,440 that. And they definitely stuck to for 350 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,840 all the people who who can't, you know, use their reading 351 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:35,280 comprehension to a very readable layout, much like the rock black 352 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,840 sludge as opposed to the the core Merkborg. 353 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:43,040 So it's a very much, you know, still feels very Mark board. 354 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,600 But yeah, great, great book. I'm I'm, I'm excited to have it 355 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,160 and. I'm excited to get it. 356 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,040 We'll see what we do with it. Have you? 357 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,760 Have you snagged 1 yet? I have not snagged 1 yet. 358 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,800 I'm surprised that those didn't sell out. 359 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,120 I think that I think he had printed quite a few copies. 360 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:03,040 The goal is to goal is to make sure when I was still there. 361 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,000 The goal is to make sure that there was coverage for that so. 362 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,280 That they just never that they weren't going to sell out. 363 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,160 That's great. Oh, OK, to product nightmares. 364 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,240 OK. We talked about that new 365 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,920 releases including the one you sent me already. 366 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:26,040 OK, new releases, where to go? You have it in your hand, right? 367 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,240 This one right here. This one. 368 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,600 I know where did where did the copy that I have in my hand go? 369 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,320 Where did the copy? I found it. 370 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:41,520 OK, cool. So July was a July was a lighter 371 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,920 release month much because it's summertime and everyone is out 372 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,800 on vacations and traveling in the Northern hemisphere anyway, 373 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,760 traveling and whatnot during this time of year. 374 00:21:53,760 --> 00:22:00,960 So we did from Will Ramen. We are dust the our basic 16 375 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,360 pager. It's got some rules for 376 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,520 dehydration. There's a bunch of fires in this 377 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,360 one too. Yeah. 378 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,440 What is it about a Borg? Borg and some are releases and 379 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:17,440 fire right? But super straightforward, nice 380 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,000 little black and white. There's what, 5 scenarios in it 381 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,960 total? Oh my gosh, you'd think I would 382 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,560 remember this because I edited this two months ago. 383 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,760 Right? 123, four or five. 384 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,240 Yeah, five new scenarios, plus conditions and whatnot. 385 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:38,320 So it's the next one in our, our monthly series Super Light. 386 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,200 We're super happy that people seem to be digging these. 387 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,720 And Will and I had a long talk the other day about what we're 388 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,360 going to do with them or whether we're going to collect them in 389 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,120 like something like collection of death volume to, and we will 390 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,320 indeed be collecting them in collection of death volume to. 391 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,240 Not all of them will make it into the Collection of Death, 392 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,520 but there will. There will be enough extra stuff 393 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,040 in Collection of Death to make it worthwhile. 394 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:05,280 So I know Ryan's got a look on his face like why not? 395 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,160 Which? Children, are you throwing out 396 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,560 to the wolves as opposed to putting them in the book? 397 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,400 So Mort Ball 2 will not go in the book. 398 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,920 That's reasonable, yeah, because Mort Ball was its own. 399 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,880 Yeah, it's its own thing and it's a 60 pager, so it's like 400 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,280 triple size. These are quad size, whatever it 401 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,280 is about a little over triple size the normal scenes and then 402 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,120 there's that. So that's issue two. 403 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:32,840 They think it's all over. I we're going down from a 404 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,720 monthly forbidden Psalm release next year to probably quarterly 405 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,400 as far as the scenes go, mostly because the forbidden Psalm 406 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,680 monthly was a challenge to Will and he accepted it and he's 407 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,360 trudged through it and done really well. 408 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,120 Much like Rebound Transmission that Stella did a monthly 409 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:55,160 pamphlets that when she challenged herself on her 410 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:02,200 Patreon and whatnot, but having worked with two different people 411 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,280 and then editorial or project management capacity on those, 412 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,560 like it, it wears you out. Like it you just hit a point 413 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,440 after like seven or ten months where you're just like, I don't 414 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,880 want to think about this, I don't want to do this. 415 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,240 It's like it's like all work because this work is work. 416 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,000 So we're shifting over to more of a quarterly release for 417 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,480 scenes next year and then, of course, like things like project 418 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,200 tomorrow slash legitimate salvage, some other larger 419 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,880 things. They as of yet unnamed 420 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,120 superheroes one anyway. But we're I'm going to shifting 421 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,360 away from beating up on our boy and having him just having to 422 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,760 constantly pump out new stuff. But that doesn't mean that we 423 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,480 won't do a Mork ball season three at some point, because 424 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,000 we'll probably do a Mork Ball season three and they will. 425 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,200 They'll definitely be a dead festival 5 next year. 426 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:00,800 Dead Festival 4 is in the works right now for this year, but 427 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,880 we're going to definitely keep ones like that that haven't, 428 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,520 that don't necessarily fit with, for lack of a better term, core 429 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,960 Forbidden Psalm. We're going to keep those loose 430 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,120 because at some point we could do a Mork Ball Deluxe edition 431 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,240 and do like Mork Ball. And then season 2, season three, 432 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,200 season four, season 5, whatever those are, you know, and collect 433 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,880 all those into a hardcover and make it really fun and just do a 434 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,680 short run of the hardcovers or whatever. 435 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,240 And then I think we're we're talking about like keeping the 436 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,760 last war stuff loosely floating around and being able to be 437 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,000 collected in the last or so. Yeah, the collection of deaths 438 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,920 are going to be for forbidden song for so to speak. 439 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,120 So also new release. And again, we've already talked 440 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,360 about one show, but Ryan can't find his. 441 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,640 But I found it forbidden. Some end times is up. 442 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:05,760 And here's all those pretties. I'm doing this with the pages, 443 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:11,440 right? For those listening to homies 444 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,000 flipping the pages, I forget that people aren't watching. 445 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,560 Some people might be watching this, but I forget that some 446 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,560 people aren't watching this, they're listening. 447 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,360 They're just, they're just listening with their ears, you 448 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,720 know, right? Describe every action we make to 449 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,080 them, right? We we still do that all the 450 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,960 time. I I feel like we're we've gotten 451 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,080 pretty good at addressing the people in podcast world, but 452 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,480 there's simply times where all like, look at this, that's 453 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,440 great, isn't that wonderful? And then I'll and I'd listen to 454 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,120 it. I want to go back. 455 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,440 I was like, fuck, like that would be nice to tell them what 456 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,120 the fuck we were looking at. But you know Ryan. 457 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,640 Is holding up a book just get a voice over there just like a 458 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,840 sound board that says that Ryan is holding up a book I. 459 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,360 Was gonna say if if you if you want me to actually edit this 460 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:53,880 thing and put voice over in post. 461 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,840 That's never gonna happen. Right. 462 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,720 What else do we have? We have the newest issue of Red 463 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,680 Solstice, Red Solstice 5, which is the bad luck run issue. 464 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:11,440 This cover just fucking slays. So I mean, they're all 465 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,480 fantastic. Yeah, it's this one. 466 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,400 Partial the look of those overall. 467 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,240 This one is a picture of a guy holding up a, a pistol and he's 468 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,480 got like these like cybernetic crosses for eyes and he's got 469 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,560 all his gear on and in his right hand you see him in like 3 470 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,720 quarter profile. And then his right hand he's got 471 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,200 a gun. And in his left hand he's got a 472 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,800 sword that has these two awesome looking bat wings coming off the 473 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,720 hilt. See, look at what I did. 474 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,080 For those folks listening in audio land I just described. 475 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,160 I use my physical descriptors. We got to get we got to get you 476 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,560 get you on air for those for those. 477 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,160 So I so I have the first four of these and this is number 5. 478 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,480 But tell us what For those that haven't yet snagged all the Red 479 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,280 Solstices, even if you can't find them in print, you can 480 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,520 always go to the Red Solstice Itch page and download all of 481 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,120 them, no charge. Yeah. 482 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,880 Yeah, tell us. Tell us what Red Solstice is. 483 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:21,240 So it's a 2 * a year hodgepodge cornucopia, what have you of all 484 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,360 things for your RPG games. It's coordinated and run by 485 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:32,440 Stella Condre, and she accepts submissions all throughout the 486 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,600 course of the preceding 6 months, and she posted the 487 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,280 deadline. She has a Discord server that 488 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,800 you can join if you are so inclined and want to submit this 489 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,920 cool random thing that you have for your for example, in the 490 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,800 latest issue, there is a four Ed and D adventure. 491 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,960 There is also an adventure that Sean Richer wrote that is 492 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,720 essentially you can type it as into your computer and run it as 493 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,720 basic. If I remember correctly, it's 494 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,640 just like code, right? So and then there's stuff for 495 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,400 Troika and there's stuff for Mothership, there's stuff for OD 496 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,920 and D, there's stuff for what else? 497 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,640 I mean it literally after five issues, we've we've had stuff 498 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,960 for almost all of the main systems that you're going to 499 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,480 that people are going to be running here and there. 500 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:38,400 Yeah, there's D 30 tables. There's D 25 tables. 501 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,640 Well, there's AD 25 table on one issue. 502 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,440 There's D 66 tables. But yeah, it's it's kind of just 503 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,200 a grab bag of like all kinds of cool stuff, neat stuff written 504 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,200 by a bunch of folks. Some of them are regular writers 505 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,640 in RPG land. Some of them are they just come 506 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,600 out and they just do an issue or an article here or there. 507 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,720 Some people are working towards longer form stuff based on some 508 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:12,800 of the things they've put out. It kind of hits that magazine 509 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,960 situation that there are a few people in the Indy sphere and 510 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,080 Iris spheres, at least that I know, that are doing quarterly 511 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:31,120 or biannually or annually, you know, collections of miscellany 512 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,360 and things like that. I think that's a vital part, you 513 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,280 know, a, a magazine, it's, it's a great vital part of what we do 514 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:46,160 and, and how we make RPGs. And eventually what they'll be 515 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:53,200 is like kind of, I equate them to people will find them in 10 516 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160 and 20 years and be like, look, this person didn't know what 517 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,880 they were talking about when they read like such and such, 518 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,480 such and such article and stuff like that. 519 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,560 Kind of how we are now when we're reading stuff from 30 and 520 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,520 40 and 50 years ago. And stuff like that will be 521 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,080 like, you know, they they recently published the lizards 522 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,560 published the big the OD and D thing, whatever. 523 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880 Yeah, I heard the book. For those for those listening at 524 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,520 home, Ryan just made a jacking off gesture with his right hand. 525 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,920 We're just. Gonna bring you on every episode 526 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,560 and just do that. I I don't even need to edit it. 527 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,720 A voice of shit. I mean, shit, yeah. 528 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,040 But yeah, I I heard that that book wasn't good. 529 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,280 I didn't get sucked in and bought it. 530 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,520 I did pick up the art and Arcana one and that was fine. 531 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,560 You know, from a few years back. That was fine, but I didn't I 532 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:45,000 didn't get the ODD one because I have a printed out PDF of OD and 533 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,720 D that I've side stapled that have my notes in them that you 534 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,080 know, like I don't, I don't need a book about a book. 535 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,680 I just need the book. Like that's kind of how I feel. 536 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:01,880 But anyway, in it they published iterations or variations on like 537 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,240 early drafts of of OD and D and whatnot. 538 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,840 And then, you know, and everyone, everyone you know, put 539 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,080 on their thinking caps and thought about it very hard. 540 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:20,040 OK, cool. Anyway, in, in, in 20 years or 541 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,760 in 50 years, people will be finding Red Solstice and being 542 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,920 like, wow, that was really good. Or wow, that was really bad. 543 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,680 We don't know. We'll find out in 50 years. 544 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,640 Yeah, Yeah, we will. I mean, it will. 545 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,920 Maybe Stella will still be making to a year in 50 years and 546 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,080 we'll have AI. Mean, I, I think she, I, I think 547 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,400 she's required to now. Red Stalsis is the new Dragon 548 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,920 magazine. But yeah, you know what I want 549 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,720 to do really bad. I've talked about it a bunch. 550 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,240 One day when I actually released something into the world instead 551 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,160 of just talking about it, I want to do. 552 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,640 And someone told me that this this way, it used to be 553 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,840 apparently, like if you write something and Hunter writes 554 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,200 something and I write something and I get like 20 other people 555 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,560 to write something and then they print out. 556 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,800 Like if there's 25 of us, they print out 25 copies of that and 557 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,160 mail it to me. And then I just take everyone's 558 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,240 thing and put it together so there's 25 full copies of 559 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,960 everyone's and send it back. I want to do that so bad. 560 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,880 Yeah. Is it Troll hammer? 561 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,240 It is like a PDF. This is a troll hammer or troll 562 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,760 crusher, and I got, I've got some things like that from like 563 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,640 rare reprints of scans and printed stuff like that, you 564 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,320 know, and stuff like that. That. 565 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,480 What are they? Yeah, have if you coordinate 566 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,000 that, definitely let me know. I'd love to submit a thing to 567 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,360 it, but don't count me in on helping you organize that. 568 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,000 You have to organize that. It'll be. 569 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,200 Amazing. Listen, I we, we have talked. 570 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,920 About Jarrett just avoided more work. 571 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:04,400 The funny thing is like, I bet you off off screen you'd be 572 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,720 like, you know what? If you need to help you just let 573 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,840 me know. Like I'll just go. 574 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,560 But no. We we're it's an intriguing, 575 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:17,440 it's an intriguing process, yeah, concept, but. 576 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:18,920 We've been talking about something else. 577 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,360 And I think that once that once that kind of becomes a thing, I 578 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,239 think this is definitely going to be one of the early things 579 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,280 that I would like to do. I think it'd be fun to get the 580 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,560 physical out there. And then if everyone's happy 581 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,679 with it, we could we could maybe make it available for other 582 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:37,120 people to somehow find, find their way to to have some copies 583 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,360 of it. But that sounds really neat. 584 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,480 So, yeah. So we are dust Red Solstice in 585 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,800 times. What else we? 586 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:50,800 Got physical copies of Ruination Pilgrimage by Don Stroud, the 587 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,440 Panic Engine book. So we're actually selling ours 588 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,240 as a three pack so you can get all three books at once. 589 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,680 We just picked up a few copies from Don. 590 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,480 Same thing as we picked up the, we have some mothership box sets 591 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,560 and stuff like that. So part of the part of our deal 592 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,960 with us carrying products in our store is they have to be stuff 593 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,440 that we've worked on directly. Like me, I've worked on directly 594 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,760 for the most part. So editorial. 595 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,680 You were part of mothership. I was shut up. 596 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,760 But anyway, so we have we have Rudinary Rudenary Ruination 597 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,120 Pilgrimage, which is panic engine, which is based off of 598 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:37,800 the core underlying system is off the mothership SRD 599 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,320 essentially. And Don is also a good bud, good 600 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,400 friend of mine. So and we worked on mothership 601 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,160 together as well. Neat. 602 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,040 Is that? Is that a mothership scent? 603 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,960 You got one. It's both mothership sets. 604 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,040 Now I got mine deluxe over there. 605 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,040 It's too far, you know. Yeah, I don't know why I got the 606 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,800 regular, the fancy one and the regular one, but I have them and 607 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,960 they don't fit on myself in a reasonable way. 608 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,880 Because at some point, you're gonna start running games at a 609 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,880 local friendly local game store. You're gonna invite people over 610 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,200 and you're gonna want to proselytize a little bit and 611 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,480 you'll you'll hit a point where, you know, I mean, collectors 612 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,480 wise, if you want to keep both of those on the shelves, but you 613 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,560 got an extra set of the corset, That sounds like a gift. 614 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,120 That sounds like poisoning somebody. 615 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,000 Do you have any nieces or nephews? 616 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,440 I think I have a nephew, have you seen one? 617 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,040 There you go. Yeah. 618 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,760 No, I honestly, I think I think if you just went to the highest 619 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,680 possible tier that you just got both anyway, which I mean, of 620 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,680 course I was going to. But I do think that your thing 621 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,240 is is the best is I don't do anything with this one at all 622 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,680 because I'm psycho like that and that I can play with this one. 623 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,120 Sure, sure. Yeah. 624 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,440 For those in podcast land, Ryan held up the deluxe. 625 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:07,960 In the regular court, right? My goal is to once season kicks 626 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,200 on down here and there are more people back down here in 627 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:15,320 Southwest Florida, I'm going to start working with one of the 628 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,440 local bars and or one of the local game stores and start 629 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,320 running in DRPG night. It just takes a lot of the 630 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:29,960 energy to run to run that and to kind of get it is more of like 631 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,080 an advertisement for us. And a lot of people are like, 632 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,720 but you're, you used to run a lot of games. 633 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:41,120 And I was like, I used to run weekly DCCRPG and then once or 634 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,080 twice a month run some 5 E or some Traveller or whatever else 635 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,840 that you know. I used to run six games a month 636 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,760 for public play, plus my own games and stuff like that. 637 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,720 But since we moved in here to Florida, one shop has moved and 638 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,480 I haven't been able to get a hold of those folks there, 639 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:07,240 mostly because I'm lazy and the other shop has a smaller surface 640 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:11,080 area. And it's kind of hard when folks 641 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:19,080 are playing Warhammy and when people are playing Magics to run 642 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,760 a quiet, intricate mothership game. 643 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,520 You know what I'm saying? It's just, it's just a logistics 644 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,520 situation. I do not want to in any way, 645 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,600 shape or form take away from the income of the shop from 646 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,920 Warhamming and Magic. I know, I know how this business 647 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,120 works. Like I'm part of this business. 648 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,200 So it's just one of those. I haven't, I've been lazy enough 649 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,040 to get on to it. But now that I've said it, 650 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,120 someone can write in and someone here, someone can be like Jared, 651 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,160 just go do it and I will go do it. 652 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,360 Here it's gonna be. I'm gonna send. 653 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,720 You a message here in a couple days, but do. 654 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,880 You do it yet? I know, I know. 655 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,760 We're going to Gen. Con actually in like a couple of 656 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,240 weeks. So where I will not be running 657 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,760 any games because I don't run any more games at Gen. 658 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,440 Con. I just go to Gen. 659 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,400 Con, too. We have meetings with our 660 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,360 distributors. Oh, by the way, we're with GTS 661 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,400 distribution now. So if any folks are listening 662 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,840 and they wanted other friendly local game stores, they can, 663 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,520 their friendly local game stores can order through ACD 664 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,960 distribution or GTS distribution. 665 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,000 So if your store is a partner with either place. 666 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,440 So yeah, I talked to my local game store about Space Penguin 667 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,600 on the ACG and ACD. We went to your ACD and I think 668 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,080 we went to your page on there and there weren't many images. 669 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,320 Yeah. A lot which is that were 670 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,040 previously there, like disappeared. 671 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,720 I looked at it the other day too, talking to somebody about 672 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,200 it and there was like 3 out of like 30. 673 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,640 So weird because I send a bunch. I send them in all the time 674 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,480 every month. Makes them angry now. 675 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,080 Ryan is making the People's elbow adjuster. 676 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,520 Call, call Michael and. No, I'll just, I'll catch up 677 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,960 with him when I'm at, he's one of the folks I get to have a 678 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,200 call with at your meeting with the gym con and I'll just be 679 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,040 like, hey, what can we do? Because you know, again, here's 680 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,400 the trick. I have to remember this is just 681 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,840 our second year. We're just going into our second 682 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,000 year. You know, we we've been alive, 683 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,800 we've been live as a company for a little over one year. 684 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,160 So about a year and six months total. 685 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,080 So we're in our second year and now we're showing up later like 686 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,760 dies, like putting more pictures and more preview photos with all 687 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,480 of our products. He's going to be working on 688 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,760 cleaning up a little bit more of the website with the 689 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,360 collaborators page and stuff like that. 690 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,320 These are all things that are like very real things that I too 691 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,440 think about all the time, every single day, along with taxes and 692 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,920 import fees and everything else, you know, all of that fun stuff 693 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,600 of running business, Like it does distract from the fun of 694 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,240 making games and playing games and shit, so. 695 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,880 Yeah, This is why I just don't make games, because then I don't 696 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,440 got to worry about. Being distracted from it, you 697 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,480 know. Like that's my excuse right? 698 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,800 So I got a list of notes from the series of tangents. 699 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,800 So 1st till again about like the the finding a space. 700 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,800 So back when I was balls deep in five, EI started a meet up that 701 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,160 got up to 350 members. We had a weekly adventures 702 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,720 league. They had like 20 to 30 people 703 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:27,360 every week. We had all sorts of stuff. 704 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,400 We struggled constantly trying to find a place to play and to 705 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,200 one of our members we found out worked at the local Community 706 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,520 College. So on weekends when no one was 707 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,320 there, they opened up the entire like meeting rooms and like, 708 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,480 like auditorium area full of tables and stuff. 709 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,000 We were being able to put up like dividers and stuff between 710 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,360 tables so that we could have like quiet areas and stuff. 711 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,120 Like, I don't know what we would have done if we hadn't found 712 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,160 that, but that was, that was fantastic. 713 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,400 If you have a Community College around you, that might be a 714 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,480 thing that you could look at too. 715 00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,240 Yeah. Because a lot of times they'll 716 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:01,800 allow people to on campus to do stuff like that. 717 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,560 So. There's a group around here that 718 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,200 does quarterly large meetups like that, that they meet up at 719 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,120 one of the church churches. They they use the multipurpose 720 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,640 room at the church. It's it's fun to go into a 721 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,640 church and just say. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, 722 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,040 fuck, fuck, fuck. They're at churches. 723 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,920 It's. Struck down like that, you know? 724 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,880 I know out. Of there and lighten. 725 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,320 Sky God. Magic Man G Business. 726 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,640 Yeah, the old man's guy. Yeah, we are dust, you know. 727 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,840 Right. Is there, are there VFW's in, 728 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,160 in, in, in good old Florida, Yeah. 729 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,160 Yeah, Yeah. There's like one across the way, 730 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,720 actually, Yeah. VFW I'm going to go to the. 731 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,000 Local VFW and play classic traveller. 732 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,680 You know, they really let. Them relive the experience. 733 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,280 Hey, we had a, we had a Moose Lodge around me. 734 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,560 I mean, of course when I was on the East Coast, we had VFW's 735 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,640 like constantly, but we had a Moose Lodge too. 736 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,800 I definitely guarantee that people would have played classic 737 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,800 Traveller in the Moose Lodge. What are? 738 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,560 You saying is I should do this hardcore? 739 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,680 I should do this hardcore hard. Yes, Why? 740 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,920 Listen, do you have a mode that's not a hardcore mode? 741 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,400 Try try not to. Yeah, listen, I think you've 742 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,560 already made over a quarter, $1,000,000 in Kickstarter 743 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,400 projects in like your second year as a company. 744 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,400 So, you know, listen, you're gonna get too big, and then all 745 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,960 the AP people start talking. I'll tell you when that when 746 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,920 that project is is all out and good and fulfilled, I'll tell 747 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:30,840 you I'll happily share how much our cut of that is and what it 748 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,200 and what that turns into. So. 749 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,320 Hey, listen, is it the number that matters or is it that 750 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:43,240 people see a bigger number? Both Yeah, little column B and 751 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,200 little column B it. Is really. 752 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,120 So so. What I'm guessing. 753 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,520 Go ahead, Ryan. OK. 754 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,320 Yeah, my last, well GTS, we have ACDC, we have GTS. 755 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,560 Is this a continuing like leveling up? 756 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,400 Because that's how I saw our conversation with publication 757 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,480 because so much weight went over my head. 758 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,920 I was like, OK, so you're leveling up into like the thing 759 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,200 until you're eventually as big as Barnes and Noble is. 760 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,680 Is GTS just another distributor or is it like you have another 761 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,040 distributor? That they have on the next yeah. 762 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,680 And they have the specialty arm that does RPGs and especially 763 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:24,240 arm that does board and card. And our Rep there, Scott is 764 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,280 really great. He actually found and Michael at 765 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,920 ACD is also great like everyone in that vein of the work thus 766 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,200 far has been pretty cool to work for. 767 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:44,720 And yeah, so there's something like 16 or 18 distributors that 768 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:49,000 work just in the United States that serve, that supply 769 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:57,280 different aspects of games and hobby to different types of 770 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,680 retailers who carry different types of games and hobby and 771 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,480 stuff like that. So, yeah. 772 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,880 So ACD covers different stores than GTS. 773 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:11,240 Sometimes they do overlap and sometimes stores will buy from 774 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:16,000 both or sometimes, you know, stores will buy in particular 775 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,200 from one spot or the other spot. Sometimes stores, depending on 776 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,960 geographical territory covers completely different areas and 777 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,680 stuff like that. So the goal is to yeah. 778 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,920 And they and there there is competition. 779 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,120 It works the same way as the three tier system when it comes 780 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,680 to alcoholic beverages in most states in the United States 781 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,720 where there are Brewers, distributors and retailers and 782 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,440 your retailers include your bars and restaurants. 783 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:50,040 So this is, this all comes from racketeering and prohibition and 784 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,960 that's just kind of one of those things systems just modeled 785 00:45:53,960 --> 00:46:02,400 after other systems. Ideally you sell to your 786 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,160 distributor. So your distributor then like 787 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,760 the way that the way that it works and why it's great and 788 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,040 ideal is you sell to the distributor and then the the 789 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,160 retailer instead of having to deal with 2400 different like 790 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,400 individual publishers can just look at a catalog and be like, 791 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,720 OK, this is new from this person, this is new from this 792 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,760 person. This is the cards that I need. 793 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,360 These are the board games that I need. 794 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,400 These are the miniatures, these are the RPGs and books and stuff 795 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,360 that I need. So then they can just place 796 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,600 those orders. So yeah, it's not really 797 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,840 exciting when you talk about it like that, but to me. 798 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,480 Interesting. To me, it's. 799 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,840 To me, it's exciting as, as in like it's a, it's a, It's fun to 800 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,600 think that we're we're working in at that level of it now. 801 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,400 So yeah, like you said, right, it's kind of like leveling up a 802 00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,920 little bit. I, I think it's so interesting 803 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,760 because I think it's also like you said, like leveling up in 804 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,560 like the context of like business and distribution, stuff 805 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,760 like that. Like it feels like at least 806 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,640 until you're so big, there really isn't like a next step to 807 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,320 take that there's always gonna be like this thing to shoot for. 808 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,080 And is that, do you feel like that's important in the context 809 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,600 of like business and growing a business to just be like, OK, we 810 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,880 hit ACDC, we hit GTS next is like this, we have to get this 811 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,320 many SKUs, we have to do this, this. 812 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,960 And then is it just like a quest list that is growing a business? 813 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,800 Is that how it feels or am I just like? 814 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,720 Yeah. And then the real cool thing and 815 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,360 the real big question that we constantly ask that Debbie and I 816 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,680 discuss everyday is how big do we want to get? 817 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:51,160 Like we are pretty sure we know where we want to get, you know, 818 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,040 and now we're trying to figure out within the realm of of what 819 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,840 that looks like, how big we, you know, what we need to do and 820 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,040 what sort of volume. Again, we're only in year 2. 821 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,160 So we're trying to figure out what what volume of product we 822 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,000 have to create, make and push through in these different 823 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,560 variations. So it's, yeah, it's like playing 824 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,240 an RPG. It really is. 825 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,720 Like people ask me what games do I play? 826 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,680 And I said I play RPG publisher because it's a lot of, a lot of 827 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,520 it's, it's a LERP. It's like a constant LERP. 828 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,600 So yeah. But I mean, it's fun, right? 829 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,160 Sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 830 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,560 For the most part, there are. There are some days where you're 831 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,880 just where I'm just like, can't do this anymore. 832 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,480 And guess what? That's the best part about 833 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,800 working for myself now is that if I want to take a day off or 834 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,760 if I need to for, you know, physical health, mental health, 835 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,600 any other reason, like if we've got a trip or anything like 836 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,640 that, like we can do that. Like, and that's like, I work 837 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:03,000 for other people for 33 years and then finally took the plunge 838 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,040 and just said fuck that, no more not doing that anymore. 839 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,520 So yeah. Yeah, I can just. 840 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,880 Talk about. Go ahead. 841 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,080 No, I was just saying I'm lucky enough that like with my job, 842 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,520 really I just, I go there, I clock in, I do the thing and 843 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,400 then I clock out and I forget about it, but then I'm hit the 844 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,480 car. So it's like I can just. 845 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,720 Same here. Just collect the paycheck and 846 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,760 pretend that like half my life that I sacrificed to capitalism. 847 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,400 Just it doesn't exist, which is which is kind of. 848 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,520 Nice, so you're saying that you don't often wake up at 4:00 AM, 849 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,200 rollover, check messages with your printing partners who are 850 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,160 across the other side of the world, and then deal with three 851 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,360 different printing partners before you had your first 852 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,680 coffee? No, at 4:00 in the morning I'm 853 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,560 often wiping ass so. Well, I mean similar I guess, 854 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,520 but yeah, right. Your own houses. 855 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,080 A. Little column A, little column 856 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,320 B, you know. A little column B for those at 857 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,960 home. Ryan did not make a wiping 858 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,320 motion. Now we did. 859 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,120 He did, just now there. We go now. 860 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,200 I did OK. So let's break format and talk 861 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,960 about next month's new releases because we have them. 862 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,440 I have packages actually set up to get and mailed to you for a 863 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,720 new release, so we can discuss us. 864 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,480 We'll just do quick cover shares for these two. 865 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:32,680 This one, So the interior is nice and crisp and clean. 866 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,080 It's some of Sam Sorensen's like cleanest work to date. 867 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,760 This is a great. We'll talk more about it next 868 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,840 month or next month's episode. But it's a it's an AI improv 869 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:50,640 where players play as automatons forced to make television based 870 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,080 on marketing buzzwords and and keywords. 871 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,720 But then there's a yoink where there are. 872 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,960 Yeah. The rules summary fits nicely on 873 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,160 the back. We're hoping, we're hoping that 874 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,360 this, this is a first for us as far as like, it's a smaller 875 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,360 system, like improv, like straight up acting experience. 876 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,920 Chris did a really great job. This cover is pretty amazing. 877 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,720 Sam's artist. Sam's design is super grisp and 878 00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:21,800 clean so. And it's pronounced Nielsenotz. 879 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,560 Debbie has such a trouble with this, but it's inspired by the 880 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,320 Nielsen household. So we're also hoping for the 881 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,840 cease and desist if this gets enough traction, if it gets 882 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,600 famous and. I hear Nielsenotz and I'm like, 883 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,480 why do I picture like a like a like someone like with their tie 884 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,200 open like at a bar doing like a like an old Frank Sinatra kind 885 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,320 of thing? I mean, it'd be the same thing. 886 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,800 Could be the same thing. You never know. 887 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,840 Just just set your. Just set your game with 888 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,040 Nielsenauts in a different era. Instead of instead of. 889 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,360 When I heal Nielsenauts, I imagine a guy doing like like 890 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,360 old blue eyes like karaoke in like a bar. 891 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,760 This is Nielsen, not he's coming, you know? 892 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,880 OK, never mind. That's just my brain went weird 893 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:10,640 on my. Brain. 894 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,000 What's? Next, maybe, maybe we'll play 895 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,120 this on an episode. Maybe. 896 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,240 Do you want to schedule me? Schedule me for like, let's talk 897 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,520 about afterwards. We'll talk about scheduling for 898 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:25,560 like September, September, September, September or October, 899 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:32,040 September 69. Those listening at home. 69 is a 900 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:38,040 funny word. The baseball related Chip Carey, 901 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:43,000 who does the the play by play for the Cardinals, has a habit 902 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,920 of mentioning every time a pitcher gets to 69 pitches. 903 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,400 And I thought I was just hearing things, but like, the dude 904 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,400 literally counts it out like every single time. 905 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,480 And I'm like, all right, good job, good job. 906 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,040 OK, Forbidden seas, Forbidden song, Forbidden seas. 907 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:07,440 So people have wanted pirates in boats bits for the longest time. 908 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,960 So this one is a double issue. So it cost a little bit more 909 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,240 because it cost us a little bit more to create and make. 910 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,720 But there are now ways to get boats for your forbidden song 911 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:23,320 gangs. And a bunch of Pirates board 912 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,960 crossover, Yeah. No, this one just straight from 913 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,800 straight from will. It's got four to six, six 914 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,920 different boats and you it's the cool thing is you can get some 915 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,640 of the boats from the actual scenarios. 916 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,440 So it's more of an incentive to play the scenarios and less just 917 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,360 to pull the boats over and port them into your forbidden seas 918 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,040 game. But the, the Forbidden Psalm 919 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:56,760 discord community has done a really super great job of doing 920 00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,920 up art and terrain and whatnot for their for their boats and 921 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,000 their ships. So I'm interested to see, I 922 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,720 can't wait for this to get out there and see how everyone's 923 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,480 terrain like fits well with with this done. 924 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,000 And so it's pretty fun. So we'll talk more about 925 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,600 Forbidden Seas next month. And then the last one is, and 926 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,880 the reason we're going to talk about this last is because it'll 927 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,920 actually is going to debut at Gencon. 928 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,480 Look at that art. It's beautiful. 929 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,720 This is the Cobra Express. So I'm blasphemy, but there's a 930 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:33,760 little 5E compatible thing on there. 931 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:39,040 This is written by Sam Kemp. This is the one we talked about 932 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:46,440 where Sam is, Sam is AD and D like a live play D and D5E like 933 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,600 Dungeon Master. And what we've done with it is 934 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,560 and in the best diary section and in other sections of the 935 00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,320 book. We've got your big by the stat 936 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,520 block here and then over here. Look at this little DCC stat 937 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,840 block that tells you and does all the stuff. 938 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,120 This is part of the part of the series that we're doing. 939 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,680 There's two more in the series. We're going to see how this one 940 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,360 does, but this is just the thing that I hear people talking about 941 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:24,160 all the time and asking about, well, my group plays 5E and what 942 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,480 do we want them to play? And I'm over here being like, 943 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,400 y'all play DCC? Play DCC, it's called. 944 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,560 Play a better game from Spaceman. 945 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,800 No, please play something else. I don't want to say better, but 946 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,240 I want to say. I do want to say different. 947 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:41,840 I do want to say stuff I'll say. Better I'll say, I'll say 948 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,760 whatever I'll say, I'll say whatever you want. 949 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,520 Fine, but anyway, so the first in the series, the Cobra on the 950 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,280 the Cobra Express Guess what it takes place on a train. 951 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,040 Guess what it is a bit of a railroad, but it also functions 952 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,720 as a funnel. It's. 953 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,440 On a train, what do you expect? I know, I know, I'm interested 954 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,040 to see it's so it it literally says on the 10 what it is. 955 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,920 I'm interested to see what what people what people do with it 956 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,480 and how, how they and how they take it in and do it in to 957 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,000 sweeten deal. Jacory Holder, who did all the 958 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:20,960 art made train cars. So each book comes each book 959 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,840 comes with train cars. That and there's this is 960 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,040 intentionally left blank. There are 7 train cars, right. 961 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,320 And this is one where I'm going to send you a copy for us 962 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,000 talking on the show for next time. 963 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,720 But then you'll, you'll probably want to buy a copyright because 964 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,200 you'll have to cut these out. Yeah, just that's what the 965 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,440 collective. And then, oh wait, there are, 966 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:48,600 yes there are 7 train cars and they're all clearly labeled. 967 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,120 And then there are. Check out these miniatures. 968 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,160 These are the Dragon's four legs. 969 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,040 I don't want to give too much away about the adventure, but 970 00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:00,560 there is a dragon that tries to to attack the train later, 971 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,520 right? Classic train adventure. 972 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:03,760 And. Then. 973 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,480 These are all people to use as NPCS or PCs, right? 974 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,320 So, and there's seven, so there's seven sheets total that 975 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,800 comes with it. And there's, there's even 976 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,600 caltrops for like laying out a trap for if it helps, right? 977 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:23,400 All on the, on the one inch equals 5 foot squares, all 978 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,000 gridded. So yeah, super stoked. 979 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,840 There's there's snakes. There's snakes. 980 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,520 It's called Cover Express. What? 981 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,440 There's snakes on the train. It's. 982 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,240 A shake of the mother fucking. Snakes on this mother fucking 983 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,040 train dude. That's crazy. 984 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,880 So question about the three is, are the do you cut the three out 985 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,040 and it's like a triangle of people? 986 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,880 Actually have them here in my hand that Debbie comes around. 987 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:55,760 So here is this is the front left arm of the dragon, right? 988 00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,840 Because you can imagine a dragon straddling a train car to lift. 989 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:07,280 I can imagine a dragon car. So you cut the dragon out and 990 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,920 then you fold, fold, and then you glue the little tab so that 991 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,440 you have a triangle. And then this is the giant size, 992 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,920 like this is a little lizard that you're actually the lizard 993 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:23,800 is cool, has a little indented bit that I made the executive 994 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,040 decision to not put instructions on how to do it. 995 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,560 And Debbie didn't get Debbie didn't get it, which means 996 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,240 Christian Kessler won CK. If you're listening to this, 997 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,280 fuck you. He won that. 998 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,920 He won that fucking round. But anyway, this one has like a 999 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:44,440 little indented bit and then like no snakes down. 1000 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,280 And then the same thing, the snakes, they can be folded and 1001 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,040 she's going to kill me because I'm going to screw these up. 1002 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,560 She said to tell everybody to get a bone folder to do it when 1003 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,520 they do theirs, because it's actually makes it easier. 1004 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,240 And then you just glue that little tab, right? 1005 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,720 For those launching at home, Jared is folding up a trifold 1006 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,880 piece of paper with a paper tab on it that you then glue to make 1007 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,520 a little triangular shape that stands up on the board and then 1008 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,560 can come. To move down there was really 1009 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,280 good ones. Really is like a paper standy 1010 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,400 deluxe. You know, yeah, yeah. 1011 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,880 You get 3 angles on it. I I've seen the ones where you 1012 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,320 like you fold them and then the two tabs become like feet, but 1013 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,640 I've never seen the 111. That's really cool, I. 1014 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,800 Like that a lot. Yeah, those, those ones, those 1015 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,640 ones are classic. These are ones that CK did. 1016 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,720 I think he did this. He did the same ones for Long 1017 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,600 Shot City or similar ones for Long Shot City. 1018 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:49,920 He's actually last year he actually worked up a a prototype 1019 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:57,200 of some for me. I just, I just got AI just got a 1020 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,760 bunch of FS from Luke Gearing. It's FS in. 1021 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,720 The chat. Yeah, FS in the chat. 1022 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,840 For Luke gearing guys. And then it ends. 1023 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,440 UCK, I, I didn't remember what the last thing I messaged him 1024 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,720 was. Now that makes sense, Luke, if 1025 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,080 you're listening, it makes sense. 1026 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,280 But yeah, Christian made, he designed up those. 1027 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,400 So it's, it's the thing that we're again, we're trying this 1028 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,680 out. We're seeing if we can print 1029 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,360 these where we can usually print, you know, with Mixam and 1030 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:35,760 see if we can make them cost effective to have more of these 1031 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,320 things with a 20 page module and then 7 pages of inserts that you 1032 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,520 actually get to cut and craft and actually get to have hang 1033 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,160 out fun. I know a lot of people have play 1034 01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,320 mats and terrain and miniatures and all that stuff, but what 1035 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,480 happens if you don't? What happens if you are the sort 1036 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,640 of player who really, really, really likes the five foot 1037 01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:58,840 squares and those grids and stuff? 1038 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,680 Hey, I like playing tactical combat like that sometimes too, 1039 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,360 you know what I'm saying? And so that's what we're trying 1040 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,280 to see how well this does. So this one, if folks are 1041 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,360 listening to this, it's this episode's out before Gen. 1042 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,400 Con, which Ryan usually got him out in a few days. 1043 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,160 So be out before Gen. Con about. 1044 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,480 I mean, the Instagram's even caught up, you know, it could 1045 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,920 get better. So this Cobra Express will be 1046 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,360 available at the Goodman Games booth all four days at Gen. 1047 01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:27,680 Con. Well, multiplies last. 1048 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,080 We're taking there and then pro promoting it there. 1049 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,640 And then once we get back from Gen. 1050 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:38,960 Con, we will have actual copies for sale on our store as well. 1051 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,840 Really, really, really hoping that that makes a dent and makes 1052 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:53,240 its way through. Yeah, shout out. 1053 01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,240 I want to give a shout out to Debbie for all the work that she 1054 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,000 does behind the scenes. There, she's working. 1055 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,000 She's working on a bunch of stuff for you. 1056 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,120 A big fan love that for those that have never gotten I need to 1057 01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,720 cover up my address on here for those that have never gotten no 1058 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:16,440 shots for those that have never gotten a box from space Penguin 1059 01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,800 and if you're listening to podcast land, like watch this on 1060 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,360 YouTube, make sure that can't say anything. 1061 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:28,360 I have to say I love that there's always a stamp big old 1062 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,960 space Penguin stamp on it. But every game, every single 1063 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,200 one, there's like a stamp of the logo of the game that comes on 1064 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,200 it too. And I can't tell you how excited 1065 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,440 I am every time I get a box and I see a stamp like there was 1066 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,880 this one. I know you did the distribution 1067 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,000 for some of the stuff for Colin soar. 1068 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,560 So there's like a biotin's beard stamp on it. 1069 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,680 It's, it's like I buy, so I buy too much stuff. 1070 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,160 And every now and then you get a day like Christmas. 1071 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,840 And I gotta, I gotta say these are the packages that I look 1072 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,280 forward to the most is these beautiful stamps. 1073 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,600 And I, I gotta say I've saved almost all of them and just cut 1074 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,440 the top off. But after we've been talking. 1075 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,640 Yeah, she's making it for that. She's, she's making you some 1076 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,360 cool ones, like some custom crafty designs, like that's what 1077 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:17,840 she does. She actually makes greeting 1078 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,240 cards and things like that for all the neighbors and things 1079 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,560 like that. And she made me these warm 1080 01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:29,400 toucans the other day. For the for those listening at 1081 01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:35,880 home, Jared is holding up a handmade handcrafted paper stick 1082 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:41,720 with trees on it and four two cans that are painted in 1083 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,640 brightly, like different bright colors. 1084 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,840 War toucans are a thing from Wayne Snyder's old War lands 1085 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,560 campaign. There's a battle between two 1086 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,840 Wizards about who who actually summoned the war toucans first. 1087 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,400 But anyway, one day she just stayed up all night and made me 1088 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,120 a bunch of war toucans. So I think they're pretty cute. 1089 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,880 So they live over here in my in my pen cup. 1090 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,120 Look, I just have, I just have pens in my pin cup, you know, 1091 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:16,640 the weak ass pen cup here. So yeah, so that that that's 1092 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,880 next month's releases and you have gin con coming up in two 1093 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,080 weeks. Maybe one day I'll go to a gin 1094 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,040 con. Hunter, have you ever been to a 1095 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,560 gin con? I have not. 1096 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,120 Maybe one day I'll go. I don't know. 1097 01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,080 I need. To start. 1098 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,440 Like I think next year will be my year of trying to hit more 1099 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,440 conventions in general. Yeah, May, maybe I. 1100 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,280 So listen, if you have a convention near you and you let 1101 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,760 me crash on your couch, shoot me a message, you know? 1102 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,880 Yeah. I where Where's your gun? 1103 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,720 Isn't that Aren't all cons in like the middle of the country? 1104 01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,920 No, there are. There are ones on your side of 1105 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,720 the country too. Yeah, there's Comic Con, but 1106 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,040 where's Yeah Tell? Me. 1107 01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:57,600 Tell me Gen. Con. 1108 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,080 Gen. Con is in Indianapolis, which is 1109 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,760 not really in the middle of the country. 1110 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,000 It's in the Eastern Time zone, so I don't know what you're 1111 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,840 talking about. Map of you, I think 1112 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,840 Indianapolis. It's it's further E than than 1113 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,080 you. Yes, like very much so. 1114 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:28,880 OK, it's E ish. Yeah, South of Michigan. 1115 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,960 As as a Midwesterner, I bestow upon it in Midwest. 1116 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,720 Although it is is, it is a plain state. 1117 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,520 It is very. Flat where I so I as someone who 1118 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,040 lived in Pennsylvania for a long time, I considered anything West 1119 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,120 of Ohio to be the middle of the country. 1120 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,640 But you know, each their own whatever America's too big. 1121 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:50,800 That's half our problem. I. 1122 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,800 Mean, yeah. It should we should be 5 1123 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,600 different countries but. Anyway, many Americas. 1124 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,280 The tiny Americas that would still be bigger than almost 1125 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,120 every country in Europe on their own, considering how most of our 1126 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,080 states are. Gen. 1127 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,000 Con's coming up in two weeks. We're going to see you back here 1128 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,840 in a month. And we'll talk more about the 1129 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,920 new releases that we just talked about. 1130 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:25,120 And then we'll have the October releases, which wait, the 1131 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:33,160 September releases, which is Night in the Museum and the The 1132 01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,680 Last War Redux. So it's more for more forbidden 1133 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,120 Zalm. Love it. 1134 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,200 Can't wait for that last war redux so. 1135 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:46,200 Probably around that time we'll be waiting for Hungry Hollow 1136 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,440 shipping, so that should be headed back right around that 1137 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,920 time. So those will be in and out. 1138 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,640 I'm really proud of that project and the way that that works and 1139 01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:03,840 the way that it's, it's like Josh and Nick wrote a great book 1140 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:11,200 together, you know, And then with Roz on the team and Amanda 1141 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,200 and for all the art and everything else like that book 1142 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,800 has, we're essentially right now we're we're waiting on our crowd 1143 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,440 fund platform to give us money so we can press the print button 1144 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,720 on the book. We're we're that close to it. 1145 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,360 So we kind of, yeah, really, really drilled it, really 1146 01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:33,680 attacked it. So and yeah, hopefully that 1147 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,280 means more physical hard cover books from us next year if 1148 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:43,360 things if it works out right and we can really dial in and refine 1149 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,280 the system like and I think we can do it. 1150 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,080 There we go. Maybe by next year I'll have the 1151 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,400 vast majority of my TGRG collection off the floor and 1152 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,000 back in my shelves. There you go. 1153 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,360 We'll see though. Here's what I realized Gen. 1154 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,160 Con, we're talking we're talking about Hungry Hallow. 1155 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:06,040 The the bloom got a nomination for best long form adventure at 1156 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:12,120 the for the innings, and then the VR dad got a nomination for 1157 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,640 best monster slash adversary for the innies. 1158 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,640 I totally should we should have led the whole podcast with that. 1159 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,160 I just. We every every day since the day 1160 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,880 at launch, we've talked about it here on the show. 1161 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,840 So nice. Yeah, we I think literally I 1162 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,040 found out about it the day before we started an episode and 1163 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,840 I was like, Hunter, we're doing 20 minutes in the innies this 1164 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,359 morning. Went through all of it, but yes, 1165 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,640 cool. I completely agree. 1166 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,279 Definitely go back to our past episodes and what were the 1167 01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,200 people we told you to? Because they're the best. 1168 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:40,960 That's how it. Works right? 1169 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,399 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a 1170 01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,640 popularity contest. Like a lot of, a lot of people 1171 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,600 get down on award shows. And I, I'm aware, I'm aware of 1172 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,920 all of the pros and cons in the discussion, like I've been in 1173 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:03,840 the midst of it for many years for why they, why awards are 1174 01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:08,439 great, why awards are not so great and etcetera, etcetera, 1175 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,200 etcetera. But I just, I'm flattered that 1176 01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:16,240 two of our books were nominated for those awards. 1177 01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:22,160 I'm excited that for other stuff that I worked on and my friends 1178 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,920 have got awards. It's a fun little shindig and 1179 01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:32,439 you get to go make a goofy speech, you know, and then you 1180 01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,000 if you win an award, that's great. 1181 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,920 If you don't, you got a nomination. 1182 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,000 It was pretty cool. And it is what it is. 1183 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:43,880 And I don't know, I I like it. I like the recognition. 1184 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,439 It's, it's neat. I wish, I wish there were more 1185 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,439 of them so. There's a new one popping up 1186 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,160 every year, I feel like. I mean you. 1187 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,080 Guys look forward to ours at the end of the year, you know we 1188 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,040 don't do. We, you know, The funny thing is 1189 01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,520 we, we talked about it too, like should we do an award show or 1190 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,560 what? And we don't, we don't awards. 1191 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,520 We, we, we have our, our end of the year kind of like wrap up 1192 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,520 where we do like our, because we, we, we, we do apply metrics 1193 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,120 to the things that we do, our terrible opinions. 1194 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,240 And at the end of the year, every year, we go through and do 1195 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,640 like a top five for every category in books and a top 1196 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,760 three for every category for like the high score that we gave 1197 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,040 throughout the year. So that's what we do. 1198 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:29,040 Maybe maybe, you know, maybe we'll, we'll throw the covers of 1199 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,480 all of that or something into like a Zine and, and send that 1200 01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:33,760 out. I loved how Meat Castle did that 1201 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,000 with theirs where they, they had their little version of the 1202 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,160 awards and then only, the only people that got the zines were 1203 01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,160 the people that won. And I think that was kind of 1204 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,360 neat. So maybe we'll do something like 1205 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,120 that, but no, it's cool. And then you get to say 1206 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,880 award-winning in your Twitter bio. 1207 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,440 How many innings do you have at this point? 1208 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:58,880 There are 10 that I claimed in some part too. 1209 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,920 So things like one like editorial is part of the writing 1210 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,200 team. And so I take credit. 1211 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,480 I'm part of the writing team. And then, you know, product of 1212 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:12,480 the year and games of the year, you know, mothership and Borg 1213 01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:16,120 and stuff like that. Those of all those have all been 1214 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,160 part of it and the adventures and things like that. 1215 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:25,120 Like there's it's my opinion that there are a lot of people 1216 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,800 that go into some categories when it's like best cover art 1217 01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,880 and it's the cover artist. Well, sure. 1218 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,640 I'm not taking claim for or, or taking a percentage for the 1219 01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,960 cover art unless I did part of the cover art, which I didn't 1220 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,720 do. But things, you know, in the in 1221 01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:48,400 the more ambiguous categories, like so, yeah, there's I've got 1222 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,920 ten of them or so. And then like 16 or something 1223 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,840 like that, or 18 nominations. So for other stuff that I've 1224 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,280 been on. So it's one of those if you're 1225 01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,960 as an editor, if you're doing your job, then they they don't 1226 01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,000 really know you're there, if that makes sense. 1227 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:10,840 Yeah, I would I there's never going to be in any category for 1228 01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:15,840 best editorial or maybe for best editorial like and the fact of 1229 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,360 an editorial essay written in something. 1230 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:25,240 But but there won't be there won't be one for best editing. 1231 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,960 It just not a it's just not a thing you can quantify. 1232 01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:35,440 You know, you can, you can scour the book and be like, I found 20 1233 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:38,720 typos. This has 16 type of, you know, 1234 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,840 you can do a metric like typos versus total word count or 1235 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,600 something, but that doesn't that's not what editing is. 1236 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,120 We're not, we're not Grammarly, we're not punctuation and 1237 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,240 spelling machines. Like I'm literally taking your 1238 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,720 raw words that have come from your head and I'm reading them 1239 01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,680 and I'm being like the first person that has reading this. 1240 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,280 And I'm like, I can understand what you're doing here. 1241 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:05,160 Here's some ways to make it easier for other people to 1242 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,040 understand, you know, like I'm a filter. 1243 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:12,120 We're we're, we're all part of the sieve here, you know, But 1244 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,080 there's really. No way. 1245 01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,720 You're just gonna have to submit the initial manuscript and then 1246 01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,720 the finished one would be like. Read both and you'll see what I 1247 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:18,960 did. Look how much I. 1248 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,760 Did look how much better this is now. 1249 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,640 Right. Which I mean, that's all that's 1250 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:28,400 also subjected to like it's, I mean, there are, there were 1251 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,280 books that I've edited that I read like a few years later and 1252 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,160 I'm just like, wow, old me was stupid. 1253 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,640 Old me made some really bad decisions. 1254 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:42,160 Old me really had his fucking had his head up his own ass when 1255 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,720 it came to, you know, this particular punctuation mark or 1256 01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,480 whatever, so. M dash always wins. 1257 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,200 That's how I feel about editing, but. 1258 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,960 If used if used properly, M dashes are fine. 1259 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:00,840 I love them. I love them. 1260 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,400 They they look good, they feel good. 1261 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,280 Yeah, they can also be. They can also be replaced with 1262 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,040 periods, and then what's behind the M dash can usually be turned 1263 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,280 into another sentence or completely struck. 1264 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,440 Yep, or just leave it with M dash because those are not you 1265 01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:17,160 know. See. 1266 01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,920 You know, you know, one day I'm. Going to write something and 1267 01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,080 you're going to edit and you're going to be like, why are there 1268 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,120 1000 M dashes? And I'm like, oh, just because, 1269 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,680 just just put a period and strike it. 1270 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,880 It's OK. And then strike it, it's 1271 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:37,800 punctuation marks are there, Josh from Liminal or Hungry 1272 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,480 Hollow was just like nothing. Like nothing. 1273 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,680 That really drives home the point of how many fucking 1274 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,760 extraneous commas you used and having to actually remove them 1275 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,160 all. And I'm like, I know that's what 1276 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,880 happens when you export APDF to me and I strike your commas over 1277 01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,720 and over and over and over, you know, but now he knows, like the 1278 01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,760 next time he makes a pass of things, he'll, he'll use less 1279 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,240 commas, I guarantee it. He'll use less commas. 1280 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,840 And there's also like, that's not to say that there's only a 1281 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,280 certain number of commas you should use. 1282 01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,480 It's just when it's just when to use them, you know, so. 1283 01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,640 Every time you stop and take a breath, put a comma. 1284 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,680 There's 18% in it. And that's how it works, right? 1285 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,480 That's what I was taught. No, I'm kidding. 1286 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,440 But yeah. So that that's I think that's us 1287 01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:27,040 for today. Very excited to hear about Gem 1288 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,960 Con because the next time you come back in the show, you will 1289 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,560 have done Gem Con. You will have you will have gone 1290 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,920 to the CCG booth and got. My pink hat that Debbie had made 1291 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,920 that's got Kitty Bitty's eyes still font. 1292 01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:44,240 So if you see a tall person at. For those watching at home, if 1293 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,320 you see a tall person wearing a pink hat, for those listening, 1294 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,600 Jared's holding up a pink hat with the space Penguin ink logo 1295 01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:51,000 on it. It's. 1296 01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,760 A nice logo too. I really dig that. 1297 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,920 You guys have a nice plethora of different logos to use with 1298 01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:57,800 everything. That's great. 1299 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,000 Yes. Yeah, next time you're here on 1300 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,000 the show, we're gonna talk about Gen. 1301 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,040 Con. We're gonna talk about the new 1302 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,120 releases. We teased a bit with those 1303 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,880 wonderful covers and I think that's it. 1304 01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,080 Thank you once again for being here. 1305 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,640 We're going to keep thanks for doing this as long as you'll put 1306 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,800 up with us. Really great episode. 1307 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,640 We stayed right on track the whole time. 1308 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,960 Yeah. And thank you, everyone, to chat 1309 01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:24,440 for for pitching in. We had a very lively discussion, 1310 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,800 which we always appreciate. Shout out, Dai. 1311 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,600 Shout out Christian Kessler. Shout out Stella, shout out 1312 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,360 Debbie. Shout out. 1313 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,720 You know, all the people that are making stuff with in and 1314 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,640 around Space Penguin continuing to do a wonderful job and being, 1315 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,120 in my opinion, the peak of the indie scene right now. 1316 01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:46,960 So thank you for being you. That's right. 1317 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,960 For those of Podcast Land, Jert is flexing. 1318 01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,920 That's it, we're out. Bye everybody, Bye. 1319 01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:54,720 Bye.