Hello, and welcome to the weekly.
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Archive, my name is Ryan and I'm Lemay CI.
It's mint and mountain sage. There we go, mint and se-joo our
Sage Hunter. And with us, we have a very
special guest. Anyone watching those absolutely
who this is, this is jerk. How are you doing today?
Dirt? Well, how are you guys just do?
Unbelievably good. I can't even describe her full.
Very excited. Stoked.
For this. So, so for those, that might not
know who you, who the heck are you?
Who is whose jerk? So I'm jerk Jerry and I douche
back into production work on a lot of tabletop, role-playing
games, and board games, and other games and stuff like that.
And have been for this is my 10th year and working in games.
And it paid capacity, that doesn't mean I've always made
all my money doing that only recently and yeah, I make a lot
of games and I'm here to talk about my new companies based
penguin ink. Very cool.
So yeah. So so so let's just wait a
minute. Now listen, I was going to
forget and idea said to remind me and I forgot, but I have a
Post-It note, because that's how we do things here.
We have, what do we, what do we? What do we got going on?
For, for this, we got a giveaway happening.
So, what's going on with that before we get going anything
else? Let's get that good.
Yeah, you're right. So, I prayed preprint a proof
happy of forbidden song dread nights.
And this was one of the copies it's got a bit of dent in it but
it's okay to give away. This is one of the copies I
printed to take with me to Gary Cohn 2023 back in March and I
had a some extras those and then our first unreleased laundromat,
we did earlier this year with partnership with the Creator's,
Thrift am answer and spear which it was Funny story drift makes
really great stuff. And I was like, oh yeah, let's
just do a thing. Some people, probably have some
things like violence jam and House of Dogg's, and any of the
capable spider series, forget everything you thought you knew
about red robots, you know, important stuff like that, beans
RPG. So the bees RPG, it's one of my
favorite things ever. Yeah.
So some people have seen some of the the the, you know dada.
Our type projects just random stuff likes people like let's do
this you know I just got I just ordered two more stickers.
I was sad and they didn't get here in time for the show but
they'll I'll put it this way their world of Darkness related
right. So yeah do a lot of weird stuff
and Thrift was awesome and was just like yes do it and so we
parted 100 hardcovers and then I went in and I hand numbered all
of them in the back with silver Sharpie, we kept to the few key
ones. Drift got some Jared, got some,
I kept a couple so this is number.
We kept a cup, we kept key numbers, of course, we kept
number one. Now it's off to the side.
We have number 13 because secant not keep 13.
We kept 42. And this is number 42.
Its silver. Sharpie on the inside.
We kept a course, 69. The nicest number and number
100. So yeah, I stuck these in with
the Secret piles of stuff to pull out for random fun, time
giveaway. So, do we could do two winners?
We could do one winner gets both ask you to Winners and they have
to fight to the death but still it's okay.
Absolutely listening, good luck. So be prepared.
Okay, so let me gosh, it's been forever since we did a giveaway.
So I'm just going to come over here and click the little
button. I should be good.
So so the way we're doing the giveaway is here on the channel,
you just have to be following the channel.
So you just hit the follow button and then you just have to
hit exclamation point SPI for obviously, if your space pigment
ink and they will automatically enter you into the giveaway.
And at the end of the show, we will pick two one, one or two
winners, fight to the death. However, is going to work.
Will decide at the end. You don't necessarily have to be
here at the end. We'll just throw your name in.
The disk or servers or something, and someone can reach
out to me or to jerk. And we'll figure out who that is
and, and that's it. So, we'll close it right at the
end of the show. Guys, don't forget to remind me
to actually close it and do the giveaway and me now, right?
Yeah. Let's have three sticky notes.
We all three. Absolutely, definitely.
Forget Chad, don't let us forget bottom.
So, yeah. So that's going just hit.
That's my point is pay like doing and that's where rats
Space, Penguin ink. That's one of the Obviously, big
reason why we're here. First question I have and I
think it's on, everyone's mind is why space paying money to
spare space pink, and the really great graphic that's behind
hunter that I can see. And is possibly scrolling up on
the, on the other monitor above me, nice.
The, the this particular, particular Space, Penguin
itty-bitty the Space Penguin Kitty.
She's no longer with us, she past three weeks, She was our
oldest cat, my partner, Debbie and I and I asked her if she
wanted to be on the stream and she said I don't have enough
time to get a suit to sit over your shoulder and tell you to
not say things, you know, like a network executive.
And I was like in the next movie, we'll do it on the
anniversary, that'd be great. That he's my best friend and the
reason I'm doing a lot of this and it will to do a lot of this
stuff. We are oldest Kitty it.
Pity, she's called the space Bing because she's a tuxedo to
Gray and a white belly. And yeah, just the just a super
cool mellow cat, she had one little great toe called the
greater of Doom and she would just poke you and to, at her and
pet her. But she had, she had diabetes
and some other stuff going on past few years.
So, she passed. She, we just, we say that she
got tired of waiting for us to launch this company, which True.
So yeah, and the Arts on the logo, Doug Kovacs is good.
Buddy of mine and he came through on for a couple years
ago and was visiting the house and he does that follow Doug's
daily cats on Instagram. He draws a new cat first warm up
every day and post them up. They're all really, really,
really great and he put us on he drew itty-bitty and I few you
know, year or so later it. She appeared in the Sketchbook.
He's like a Cheshire Cat. I was like oh awesome.
And so yeah. He gave us the art for that.
So that's kind of that's that. And then the logo design is
still a country, so I don't know if you're watching.
She's probably watching the actual logo lettering.
So yeah, Space Penguin, that's it's going to be wonderful and
confusing. There will be a page on the
website that says, why a cat It'll talk about, you know,
it'll be and stuff like that. So, Go.
Oh yeah, we're base paying when I mean we're gonna.
So here's the thing is we're going to be talking in circles
and tangents and everything tonight.
So if you're listening, try to keep up so taking it back a
little bit from Space, Penguin all the way back to I you said
ten years since you've been doing this stuff paid, what was
what actually got you? I guess into tabletop games in
general and then what got you into editing and to the point
where I right now So I started playing magenta box or a low
discover BX. My uncle taught me how I was the
oldest of three so he taught me so I could teach my brother's.
So we could actually have a game and then played a D&D played
riffs. Gurps TMNT OS?
Those were most of the stuff that we played in high school.
Small, rural town, and Missouri and didn't I didn't play RPGs
through college. Played a lot, a lot of board
games. Probably it was out in the
wilderness of board games for 20 and 18 years like that.
Loved RPGs just you know how it is like it can't get people
together for a game, nobody knows and this was years ago and
then around the time that DCC was releasing and 5e was coming
out friend of mine and co-worker and Hoover was like he was
big-time 33.5. He was like I want to run a game
or is me and my partner at the time and we're like yeah, cool.
He wanted to run 4th edition D&D and I hadn't played in forever.
So not really any preconceived notions and he came over, and he
started running some For EDD. No this is literally like right
before 5e so he sunk all this money into all these books cheap
and we played three or four sessions, you know, set pieces
that take hours to play and he he did a lot of terrain and
minis to suck his great. Great great.
And he's like, oh I remember this different model for you
guys next time. It's not a for a thing and he
pulled out and it was a random Goodman games but for 33.5 and
so I really like that look that old school All of those 3.5 pre
DCC RPG modules in. So, did some research found it
stumbled into Google+. So you'll hear this is a lot
from, from the old wise man is. Yeah.
And so I'm fell into that and just You know, ended up finding
a bunch of folks who you don't played, I didn't read my search.
String was, does anybody play basic in D and then I ended up
finding that and then just goofin off.
So that was around 2012, I guess?
Yeah. And then looked into learning
about and finding out about a little game.
You might have heard of called Troika and it was Pre the second
printing with the really great. Jeremy Duncan cover and then
just got to look around and doing other stuff.
One of the first things I did work on, it was free but
proofing, a bunch of monsters, and creatures, and gods and
Petty gods in the expanded version.
So like the really, really big one with all that stuff and then
yeah, Badger, dance, salad melt In to let me be the editor on
Troika and Fever Swamp. Rolled into just kind of meeting
a bunch of other folks and knowing them and just being
like, hey, let me get your stuff, really your stuff, your
stuff, let me know, your stuff. I one of those one of those
stories that I had a partial English degree, you know,
College Dropout, never really did all that much with it.
So yeah just kind of did it and I've always been fascinated by
word you guys talking before the show, you know with Hunter about
comic stuff, I read a lot of comic books, read a lot of books
and a lot of fiction and just a lot of weird, weird, weird stuff
and love it all. And I've always been fascinated,
thanks to a DD, you know, to really pay attention to the
words and the way things look. And so, yeah, just got wrangled
That into doing a lot more stuff and a lot more stuff and then
project managing stuff previous life.
I was a bartender bar manager Brewery manager, so the
organizational processes and stuff, kind of we're all there.
And just kept at it and kept at it and kept at it.
And yeah, Ten Years Later, finally, going to do my own
thing because all my friends tired of hearing me be like,
wounds, my return. And they're like, how many
witnesses? I think you're ten years in.
You kind of you've earned your turn.
So yeah, we work on talking about comic books beforehand and
you were talking about like how comic books like release and
like kind of what you were wanting to take from that.
And I thought it was really interesting and I only caught
part of it. I'm gonna be really honest with
you so I'd love to go over it again.
Like, what about comic books like releases?
Are you saying that you were willing to adapt to like your
own release process? Has a lot of it and it's a thing
that it's not. Nothing, it's not new, it's not
revolutionary, you know, you print a volume or you print an
issue and then you collect that into a trade and you like that
into larger stuff. I mean, it's been, it's been
happening since since books have been made part of the reason
that I'm really, really fascinated with it is James
Toney, the fourths work with razor blades magazine, James
writes, all kinds of really great titles Department of Truth
rated. If you haven't everybody out
there, And James sub stack Empire.
The tiny onion is super fascinating.
It's just the way that great Nary a juice is that?
Yeah. Great, the way the creators are
taking back kind of create our own Comics again, aren't
anything new. But the way that creators are
partnering with each other and working with other graders in
and I'm seeing more behind-the-scenes, name start to
come up. Up and really be there.
In one of those things is Indians published by like every
publisher like he's gotten books with everybody.
But he owns a little bit of part of that and one of the things
with back in and he is a writer, so he's more front end than this
particular case. But I think it's just a lot of
the process in the structures and and the ways they're doing
it. But do so on the impact of the
tiny Union, they release these comics and the He's, you know,
little chunks like that and then they get a deal with someone
like image to do this big 400-page hardcover, like fully
painted, beautiful nonsense. So yeah.
It just kind of kind of working with that working within the
means of what I know to do and what we can do and what we have
the money to do a little bit and not necessarily limiting.
Print runs for scarcity sake, just, you know, what the market
can Bear right now and then trying to keep those things in
print and that's, you know, the trade paperback concept, the
collected Edition concept and stuff like that.
I do like that idea. A lot like, I like the almost
like building block approach and having like cool here is like,
I'm a trade paperback guy. Let me tell you, when I buy
comics, I have its trade paperbacks man, except the
Actor, a bunch of those that aren't.
But, yeah, I think that's like a really clever way.
They keep engagement and people have like the ability to build
up and then be like, oh yeah, I want the whole thing because me
and Ryan are, especially, especially Ryan is the guy who's
gonna be like, yeah, I have all the, the bits and pieces and
there's a, there's a big release.
Oh, I want big release, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do a lot of that too with
certain stuff with my local. My fairly local comic book store
closed at the end of April. So I've switched to ordering
online from Things From Another World.
And now I only get my books once a month which is not big, but
it's also very weird from not being able to go into that shop
and pick up some random stuff here and there.
So it's made me not buy stuff constantly but I in, but I've
been to balance that I'm picking up an extra trade here and
there. I'm stuff that I wouldn't read.
So, yeah, it's also the trick with a lot of small, end of
Indie, RPGs and ziens, and things like that, going all the
way back to like, you know, judges Guild stuff and all of
that, you know, from the 70s to the present.
Like, it's hard to get because out of print and I don't, I
don't, I do like, like the lady. I've got fun stuff in.
In here. But I was want to try to keep as
much as we can in print and I think as a slow and steady
approach to that with that, it's okay to recycle these things and
put these things together and Omnibus editions nature.
Mace, what is haunted, Almanac? Love that book.
You know I'm saying. So I've been thinking.
Yeah. Oh oh no.
Oh, I've been paying, you know, you're doing anything we're
going to talk about he's Have he's gonna go, oh yeah, this
fucking one right here. I see what is good but yet, no.
But that was great for that because like, I have things like
mint NZ first, round of the, in the light of ghosts are like and
I love that like super fancy and then you just some bits and
pieces here and there, but there are a bunch of things from
Nate's output that I didn't get beat and then to have it all in
one volume. I think it's super awesome.
So and that could be Not just a particular writer or not just
particular artist, he could be a particular designer or design,
ethos or editorial and stuff like that.
So I'll say it a lot but I certainly backed, you know, to
the backend folks like the production minions, like we love
what we do. I dearly love editing books like
I didn't today because took a nap but, you know, one of the
ones working on for the future - Apotheca like, Integrates people
City book and I have chunks of time set aside for that, and I
just didn't know that was yesterday.
I was like I'm two days behind. Don't tell anybody, I'm don't
tell Debbie, I'll she'll fire me.
But so talk about editing. I feel like because we were
recently able to do something together to play a game
together, but we talked a little bit about editing and you talked
about, I think there might be a rough number four, how many
books your name is in that you have Edited your do you have any
idea how many exactly or rough estimate?
So yeah, we're so with the miniscule amount of writing I've
done and I've actually done some illustrations for some random
things here and there, I'm not an artist.
It's okay, a lot a lot, a lot of editing project management
playtesting, it's getting close to 500.
I totaled up and then I'm going to be doing Todd world of Mommy.
Joel. Yeah, her arm coming out later
this year and I think when they put up their Kickstarter I was
like yeah. Just put 500 on.
I think I over counted a little bit.
But yeah, it's a lot and I don't know.
I like it. I like there being a lot of it.
Means I'm practicing. It means I'm getting better, I
think anyway, I don't know. Maybe somebody will read the
sign me. If you're doing a little while,
at least you're probably not getting worse at least, you know
you never know, right? I've hit the bloop here.
It's all downhill from here. Hey listen.
Yeah. So I mean and that kind of leads
us back to, to Space, Penguin ink.
So this is something you want to do for a long time.
He said this is 10 years and it's been a long time.
I'm coming when at what point did you say like what we're at
now, when did that start for you?
I like at what point in the process that we already talked
about a little bit, did you decide?
I want to do something and start working towards it.
And then to get to the point that we're at now like three
years ago, four years ago, it with working with Fiona and
Christian with the, our moon r, a conspiracy, some of the
credits, you'll see the little Moon rat or your CMR, see a This
is behind certain creators names that came from a stoned
conversation between Fiona and CK and I where we all maintain
that we came up with the name Moon rat conspiracy about rats
living in the moon and you know and all this stuff.
So we were just we were just kind of like the team the three
of us did a lot of books together there for about three
years. I lost a lot of books together
and we had thrown around back and forth.
The concept of doing a full on company but then life and jobs
and work and everything else and it just didn't didn't pop and
then about a year ago. It's just you know, so there's
always that it should just kind of gets there and stuff like do
it do it do it do it do it. I will say that I have been
going I would have been working head down since last November
writer. Like right around my birthday.
So about six months. Yeah.
Well over six months have been working day in and day out and
not sleeping and waking up and doing things nap today.
Well, I did take a nap 45 minutes.
But yeah, if anybody out there wanting to start a Publishing
Company, there's a lot of stuff you got to do and I knew I knew
that going into it, but It's Tricky.
I live in Florida and we all noticed a lot of stuff going on
down here, but one of the things I like to do is just random, we
don't, we don't have state income tax, but there's random
things that you have to pay for. Yeah, it's not as it's not as
it's not as sunny as it looks. So, you know, aside from that
and then the normal day-to-day stuff of working with with
printers and stuff like that orchestrating, our warehouse
partner, Using brand Fox for fulfillment, in the United
States and rest of the world and then coordinating that.
At the same time, with our exclusive UK wholesale, like
selling direct to Igloo tree, I show you.
If you're watching and Dan, it's again, like I've worked with Dan
atmel Sonia for so long and it was straightforward.
Obvious choice for me like and she's very, very much like, yes,
we can. This happened at a glue tree and
then working with Ian tricked at all the problems in this world,
in Berlin to cover you. So it's something I see a lot of
RPG consumers on the small bit of social spaces that I'm in
Discord in other, you know, red atoms and stuff here.
And there being like I really wish I could get this but it's
going to cost me the cost of the book and 5 more pounds to.
Have it shipped to, you know so you know, a $15 scene becomes
45. So yeah, just one of those like
taking a lot of extra time to coordinate windows are going to
actually hit their which they're printing.
Ye one has arrived so far. Our friend Kirby's adrift has
actually arrived in the UK nothing anywhere else yet.
Um, so, yeah, just to just a lot of that stuff.
The day-to-day danced with the printers Banks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The part of keep telling myself,
once we get over launch, it's going to be a lot easier.
I know it's not and just open the door and invited Murphy and
didn't I? Come on Murph yeah, sorry I
talked about. No you go on go off.
Yeah, it's really shaking listen to you.
I mean there's just so many moving parts and there's there's
so much going on. Do you like Revel a little bit
in the chaos? Of the problem solving and the,
the coordination of so many things, when I can get it, when
it all things and all pulls. When you're, when you're the guy
with the tablecloth and you rip it out, and all the glasses
actually stay there on the table, I used to do that.
When I was a kid, I was fascinated by that, by that guy
and my grandmother hated it, but I never broke anything, you
know, I never read, never broke anything so yeah, but in doing
that now it's it is It is fun. It is rewarding.
When, when things go right in a row, it's pretty discouraging.
Sometimes they're, you know, when it's, you're just like,
when you're waiting on a bunch of stuff and waiting on someone
that, you know, a tax ID number or, you know, funding to arrive
from somewhere or You know, every little thing, puts every
little thing else behind. And then as most of the folks in
the chat what I roll my shoulders, a lot of a lot of
books in a chat will know that. I do take it very, very
personally when I am behind on something.
You know, like I take it very seriously, I people get behind
its art, its life its work and stuff like that.
But yeah, when when when but is look for budgetary fiduciary,
you know, infrastructure, delays roadblocks and the way of
working with the people at working with a person that
creative aspect, that's when I get the best when that's when it
has gotten the bumpiest and been like, oh man.
But then what like really good days like yesterday where it's
just like doing all the things list, list, list list list and
you just scanned in just getting them done.
So, And then tomorrow is the weekend.
What's the weekend? That's the weekend, and he's not
even the weekend anymore. All right.
Exactly, it's all that. But so all these moving parts of
come together. You're finally, you know,
getting to the point where you hit your, are we soft launching
Space Penguin. Like how what are we at?
West Point actually like really hard are we launching right now?
Right, right. This is super soft.
Super soft launch party. Right now, books are at the
printers and some are, some are being shipped and so they're
arriving at particular Outlets where they will be going out.
I, I have P, you know, I think you've been rotating images up
there with the with the covers and stuff like that.
I have I have moppy's of them. Is it show?
And tell time show and tells her?
Yeah, absolutely. It's absolutely yeah.
We're going to be doing. I'm not with my marketing,
arson. My marketing friend died sugars.
This morning. Shout out to die.
For just being an amazing person, overall, and helping me
with all of this marketing and visual and just kind of keeping
me on track. It's been really fantastic.
So we kind of set up like a two-week strategy.
They've been think we're going. We're going to kick it on
Monday. We're waiting for waiting for a
few more pieces. To fall in place as far as like
stuff shipping to the warehouse because we don't want to be like
it's available and then it, you know, like where housing
Partners, they don't want to put stuff up for sale if it's not in
the warehouse and I don't either, I want to make sure that
it's actually there. It's just been a it's been a
control thing with me. Like I'm those of you two might
have seen me talk about crowdfunding on different spaces
in that. I'm in the I mean the I don't
like crowdfunding campaign, just let me know.
Don't like people crowdfund, let people have fun.
I brings that crowdfunding companies.
Just for me for this. I wanted to try this this first
year and see if we can get by without of it, you know, without
having to do that. So it's getting the books made
and shipped in where they're at and then just being in control
and paying attention to how many were selling and what we're
moving. And if we have something that's
available that it's available and it's and it looks good.
So, But yeah, as soon as we get the lockdown on, almost all that
stuff, we're going to start doing the roll out.
So in the next couple of weeks, we're hitting it.
Pretty hard with is going to be some post several times a day on
the different socials and stuff like that.
Some more small giveaways here and there but then a little bit
of a reveal more about the products, either way, but I
brought them all brought them all.
Well, I mean they're here. So we'll go down a list.
The scarabs, is it curbs Us in the chat?
This is there. Yeah, exactly.
This is a great t-shirt. All right, I do, but it's
already at work yesterday, so I I've been working with curbs for
almost two years now, I think and on the, on the Halloween
trio, slasher, paranormal and bucket, bash, bucket batches so
good. I work with curbing.
Crystal knows and doing other stuff and when they were like,
hey Lou, Get this space one. It just can we actually talk to
you today me and it was just it just kind of rolled into how it
actually was how it happened was like accidental but you know,
I've wanted to edit them more directly like in a developmental
a say-so a drift or Mothership money.
Also, you can use it with OE you can use it with classic traveler
the crew. I'm that cover blurbs. the crews
hired to recover the records from a derelict carbo's cargo
ship floating in the islets of langerhans and asteroid cluster
and the puck sector no communication has been sent to
received by the ship that its cargo and extremely rare
phosphorescent algae that has medicinal and weapon effects is
extremely valuable so fetch quests, right, but I don't give
too much away because as people pick it up as wardens paid up
and read it and then there are did you Did you know, there are
people who play RPGs, I thought everybody who who was in RPGs
was a DM or a warden, or a judge, or whatever, have you a
GM and stuff like that. Really even play, we just read
them. So we just ran over so it is but
you know there's no it's great to find that.
There are still people. There there are folks who like,
no, I don't run games. I just prefer to, you know, I've
my IRL group. It's they're relatively new to
games and they don't have any interest in facilitating.
At all. They're just like we just want
to play and I was like that is a really cool take on it, you
know, for me, I was obviously. So always fascinated by being
your The Dungeons and Dragons cartoons.
A little dungeon master guy's haircut was so bad, I always
always wanted to be that guy so I don't get too much away about
adrift, but I do know that it is part of the public sector and
there's more to come in the puck sector.
Don't do cool. We'll do the other mother ship
right off distress signals by reece.carter and I always forget
Holly's last name. Probably Gingka Roz leahey did
editing on this Eric Hill did design and layout and Ruby see
also did awesome. Fantastic piece of art.
Reese is a good buddy of mine. Known each other for almost as
long as I've been in RPGs. Yes, he did dead in the water,
which we was released by exalted funeral last year and it's very
quickly become one of the quintessential books over on the
mothership server. When people are like, what
should we run? I'm new to this.
What, you know, I think the real one makes that saying is there's
a clean path and a dirty path. You know, there's one where it's
linked very quiet and haunted. And then the dirty path is like,
there's still an active. Going on between the crew of the
previous crew, the ship and stuff.
So distress signals is like a further exploration in that
concept of like easy to run, pick up and play stuff, and it's
a bunch of ships and stations. And so we've got like, you know,
a text. I've got spread little mini
Maps. Like what happened, you know, so
you can run the ship and then Holly's fabulous, fabulous,
fabulous art, it's hard to see in here with my life.
Lighting. But it just yeah everything you
need to if you like oh man I only got two players tonight.
Okay cool. But you still want to play
Mothership role of a couple zeros on the app or whatever.
And then in just jump in, we can do that.
Or you've got some new players, you want to work A Min or it's
literally distress signals. So I'm going to keep going go
for. Yeah, that was yeah.
A revamp reissue of one of my favorite DC.
C, 0 level funnels written by Forest Aguirre, our cover art by
James View West there. Who else is in here, Matt
Hildebrand, David Lewis Johnson, Nicolo and Thomas jail, all
interior, right? For those of you do you guys
know DC Caesar level funnels? You get four zeros, they're not
actual Actors quite yet and they are.
But pretty squishy beyond the silver scream is in omage to
1970s Film, go into a theater in and saying, going to see
Phantasm and shit like that. And yeah, it rolls nicely into
this adventure funnel. We've added in some extra stuff,
we've put in like there's now a D30 table, what stuck to the
theater floor because you need this kind of like that right,
really? Right.
It's just one of those it's a super fast.
Super clean is and In early third party DCC funnel.
The maps are super awesome. Matt Hildebrand, did the
original design and layout on all this and Matt was really
awesome and cool and was like, yeah I know, I still have those
design files and gave them to me so I can go in there and you
know, just do some Spruce it up and another you know quick edits
past and stuff like that on it, those who don't know.
Matt is the art director at Goodman games and so he bought
stuff with 4 DC, Well, I think that's been there in six years
now five, six years favor at a show and you want a good time
pop into one of the seminars that Matt leads about the art of
DC, or the art of picnics and yeah, really good, really good.
I love you, Matt Hildebrandt. Well, so Gary, nothing is got
some, oh, yeah. I got some things in the works
with him and some other folks later in the year too. btss, Two
more go to more. Yeah, okay.
Yeah. Garden of kurta by Cade Crites
with the development and designed by Christian Kessler
editing by myself. So, Troika Troika, and we love
Troika. I write.
And one of the one of the mythological things in Troika
are the Giants of cart of kurta and Kade has Taken that to to a
nice new level and has built a biological and, you know, a
plant. I can't I don't know what words
are flora and fauna research station inside the heart of one
of these Giants. Right.
And there's an infection and other stuff going on.
So they did all this beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful
art. I'm going to show Yeah, this one
here. So these are all hinder on
hand-painted, like I, I love this shit out of this.
Super nice. Simple little drop in spot for
any trike. A campaign, you know whether
it's you know if you're going dark and gritty or if you're
going the you know women's clothes.
Like well yeah the other really neat thing about Garden kurta.
Is it also can slot really nicely into Mothership?
1e or 0e, we didn't put stats in it for that but the entire time,
while, you know, I'm working working on these with at this.
It's I'm just like oh yeah I know I'm just thinking in
Mothership think while while reading heads writing and stuff
in here. Super super, super nice.
It is also dual status. Look Christian I said stead and
not stated its dual standard for A deed for D&D like be X
essentially. I would say there would be X
that's in there. I was looking through it
earlier. Yeah, my mind, if I might have
seen wall copy. Oh yeah, yeah, no, that's I say
UPS on purpose. Yeah.
Just it's one of those going forward and again, like I said,
it's nothing new. A lot of people have done it,
but I've been really, I like books that are better out of the
way. But utility.
Right? So something like that.
Like having those be accepts and by sending Did with his powers
to The Medic or go see these book at?
Atmel Sonia. Won't you Ryan point to it?
Ryan exact point, I do it, we added in those extra stats are a
person that runs the class of Travelers.
Probably my favorite of all the games.
DCC, probably second, most I can run DCC from sleep.
Like I just I know most of the I know the stat modifiers and I
can give you probably reasonable spell effect results versus a
bunch of a success. Four hundred some odd games, 500
games, I don't know. Um, and Mothership in Troy,
getting only stings. And so, I think in a lot of
systems that the same time all the time.
So having those in a book really makes it super useful to me.
A lot of the stuff that's going to come out from space, pink or
going to have You know, the writers system that they're
writing it in and in one of their favorite or one of my
favorites or one of the are somebody else on that particular
collaborative projects, you know, doing a thing where it's
like, yeah just more stats, more stats, more stats, you know, it
just makes things so much easier.
Yeah. I mean, that's awesome.
I guess, that means if, if Mothership book comes out and I
just think it's cool that I'm playing Mothership and I play,
you know, some kind of BX clone which I do, I'm like, oh yeah,
I'm not picked up. Because I know space, Hank
penguins got probably some BX or something rules in the backpack
and gang contacts from so, very glad you liked that, a lot.
Yeah. Well, and that, and you'll see
more of that coming out once we at the mothership boxed set its
kind of once. And once that is once, that is
locked in none of you should, if you should see my, you should
see my freelance calendar, it's pretty full.
I'm right now which is exciting because Yeah, that I know that
products late but hey okay. It is very, very, very soon and
when it's in my say that but what once that's locked in, when
you're going to start seeing a, like I said, a lot of those
conversions stuff like that like I you can't really do a Rosetta
Stone unless I guess you really could.
But it would be almost someone's full time job to do right for
translation with all the the number of systems.
And Mechanic tips and tools and everything that everybody uses
but yeah the more utility the better.
I want my tools. I want my tools to be super
useful. Yeah.
Multi-tools, I also think that when you create conversion rules
for a different game style, like even just the context of
converting it to something else either.
Maybe that's not what you play. You're like okay, that's how
they can grow. That's how I think about.
I know how that system works. And I played this system so I
can, I still think it's incredibly useful even it's not
exactly. The same system that you
currently play, you know? Yeah, well I mean and if you
make, if you make something that has like the more usual
something is more use. You can get out of it.
I mean, it's just that's just how things work.
So, if you have something that has multiple stab blocks or more
than that, like, the odds of someone actually not just buying
in reading and putting on a shelf but actually using it for
the things you're using for is is, you know, it's fantastic to
have that. I also just love how much Watty
stuff is out before one year. It's yeah, a whole shelf of
Mothership stuff before Mothership even dropped.
So that's, that's, that's cool to see you too.
It's getting there. The cool thing about it is that
system is like, it's the, you know, I mean and I'm sure people
in certain get tired of hearing me reply to them, or read me
reply to them. Do what works for your table,
but but it really is do what works for your table.
You know, there are there are things that hold.
But I mean and quite a few things that I've worked on that.
Folks are just like our are you his changing this?
You changing that. I was like, I I don't know but
if you want to put it out and you want to say that it's for
that and then and then and that's your timeline for your
book to get out there. It's going to be okay you know
I'm saying like yeah nothing's nothing's unbelievably broken
like it'll all be addressed in some way shape or form might
have to expand the conversion pamphlet extra page or something
so conversion. Seeing don't kill me Shawn if
you're okay. And in the the last of our
launch titles dread nights, this one been working with red covers
cool. Well that's just going to be the
launch hardcover so a lot of people watching some people in
chat. Other folks prevent some is a
skirmish Miniatures miniature as I agnostic game for you know
inspired by and originally Written the first couple for
morgue and Dread nights is your vampires and your Dracula is
your squad. Instead of being a war, been
going out and you know in the world and you know traveling
through gun back Etc. Or like in the case of the last
war, you know, being in that in that weird war and this one,
your band are all hunters and they're going out too.
Fight Things That Go Bump in the night.
Of course, there is very few vampirism and there's like a p.
So those are super fun. And then there's all kinds of
other classic, you know, Gothic and Victorian era monsters done
up in in Wills, you know, traditional style like this.
And this is the 17th. I think the 17th forbidden, some
you know, between books in jeans and stuff like that.
So I'm lucky enough to write - count them all.
I'm looking after you met World Cup years ago, and started, you
know, doing editorial stuff with him.
And then, you know, when I was ready, F, you know, pushing the
stuff out this one, I ran some games, this at Gary Cohn and
there's a final scenario in here, which involves a lot of
monsters as you would in a final scenario.
And then I Was like, oh yeah, there's four players not to.
So I had to go and scrounge and I pulled up a bunch of Meatballs
that I had in my travel bag and picked up a bunch of videos from
the Dealer's Hall. That table was just, it was a
clusterfuck of little of Miniatures all over it.
Both games players managed to win and it did it was very, very
very, very close. So yeah, this one is soft cover.
Usually I I love the soft covers part of what got me?
Really wanting to work on prevents almost a soft cover of
the the first one because I can take and crush it and bend it,
and use it at the table, and then Ryan's brand, Brenda, no
blood starts running from Ryan's ears.
You know, is you should not, you should never see my DCC core
book. So, oh, wait, oh wait, oh wait,
oh wait, wait, wait my DCC core book.
It's a two-part book. He has this day as has seen, a
lot of, a lot of play, a lot of use.
So yeah, that was a good Warren, used book to the thing is, I'll
just buy a second one and they just beat up the second one.
So yeah, that's, that's how we do.
You know, I love the Forbidden songs like the, the the, what
they've done the entire time with the soft covers and the
hardcovers is great, and I like the tweak in the cover.
So you get a little bit different, you know, originally.
I think it was just White to Yellow.
But with gosh, I think it was like, last war.
And even the one after that were, they almost did like a
complete where they didn't completely different cover
between the soft and the hard. And it's just really cool to be
able to because obviously I'm going to get both.
So it's nice to have two separate covers for both.
So, absolutely have to get 3 because 4 launch.
We're doing. We're doing a show, we're doing
a quick run to get into. Get them printed faster and, and
we'll was like, I just going to do it all black.
So it's all black in the skull isn't Dwight.
So those would be those of you that run and then these will be
the main run of the hardcovers I really really really really like
this. Read a lot.
It's gorgeous. Yeah Ryan's about everybody to
read this credit card number off to you right now, right?
Right. Beside it up.
One of the cool things with this was, will limit himself to just
black white and red. So which are my favorite colors.
But yeah, so it's Very clean compared to others, forbidden,
some previous forbidden Psalm releases and stuff like that.
So there's a bit more of a narrative aspect.
There's a lot of fiction. It goes into it.
Yeah. More with kind of shading over
into that book of for people who want to read a little bit more
out of it too. Yeah so those are those are
launch titles, really strong launch release like that.
That That's a hard release, you know.
Yeah. You know working with folks who
are lucky enough to work with and then and some new person.
I haven't actually worked directly with paid on a book
that they wrote and it's their first book Garden of kurta and
I'm just like that. That makes me like so super
happy. And this is the same thing like
in if you want to hang on one second, I'm going to do the big
lie. I'm just going to shout out a
bunch of titles. Yeah please for these because
like I said before the before the show I have the next 40
years kind of Milestone doubt where I where I want to be with
the stuff and and and how we want to do this and so part of
that was his early on was getting with a bunch of my
regular collaborators and It's and just being like, what do you
have? What do you have?
We very, you know, after what
four months we had to stop the, the new pitches because there
were a lot of really great ones and there's a lot of great ones
coming in all the time, but I want to do service to the ones
that we've, that we've agreed on worked on, you know, but Amanda
p and writing intend to Tran art on Resident which is for
Mothership set in Aaron me. And anxiety wizard on fear City
for Troika, silicon g, mark, Conway, prisons, forsaken, bear
God for DCC jogo, bearish. Matt K on Hodel Island.
That one's going to be part of our second second way so that
will come out next quarter. We've got a few of these
launched up, I'd originally had the idea was like, will do three
a month. It's going to be a great and
then and because I was, But there's the when it's less
people in the infrastructure, team me, it takes me longer than
these things have been shaded, but whole island is it is if you
if you've ever read Joe goes packs reptilia Anna, which is
just super far. Scholl weird, weird weird
Troika. Total Islands kind of an
existence of that taking the piss out of the car.
Two Bros, a little bit. You know, these things, these
things happen. Yeah, working with I said
earlier - on pop again, which is a big, big, big city book
inspired by the water margin like Chinese epic.
Like, you know, Outlaws of the marsh time sort of stuff, I was
like on aware of that and then it gets sorted.
Like tell me about it and then I'm weird.
We're hip deep in the editing of that one.
That's going to be a big, big, big, big, big city book and how
to build this mythical Apotheca cool joke about that working
with skull boy on a project, I didn't touch base with school
would ask if I had tell a say which project, but let's just
say it has something to do with better Legends and a newcomer
horse camp, same camp, working on cobra.
Rest. It's going to be dual stated for
D CC and DD come on an introductory series of modules,
cover, express it. Tells you what's going to
happen? It's going to be on a train,
right? And a bit of a railroad.
I I personally had particular philosophy when it comes to
running a lot of public place and saying the author Creator
runs a lot of public places and he's a, he's a professional for
higher, DM, and he's got these series of four books,
introductory teaching stuff. Like seeing his skin, it's one
of those that were going to be dual status.
That's going to do a lot of like you know, teaching when it comes
to, you know, getting people to jump over from D and D or to go
back and forth or just to try new stuff, just the bail
Comprehensive Care Center in the mountains, by spooky Rusty.
That one is off. It's still walking in and
Spooky's in the chat. He's good.
He's going to what we have. Some very nice.
Nice things about five e97, I love that Bob, whatever that is.
Yeah, we iterate. Every time we dunk on five evil
bit, Gotcha. Come into Care Center is
sensibly, Troika, possibly liminal whore.
It's about a comprehensive care center in the mountains written
and designed by spooky Rusty, it's good.
It comes from a place from them and it's a lot of notes with me
as someone who has worked in mental health field.
And, and You know, experiences, mental health, concerns,
whatever. You know, I'm saying, like, I've
been on both sides of those and it's a nice interesting way.
We're going to see what we can do it again, without gamifying
the situation. Like, that's one of those big
things. Yeah, but possibly presenting
the experience of being involuntarily put into a place,
it's not fun, but that's, you know, doing a lot of intricate
work with that. I think rusty said that's on.
It's like seventh draft or Strapped right now.
So we're yeah, we're really yeah, doing a lot, doing a
focusing on the writing would Adventures that that Debbie and
I are writing. Some of you might have heard a
game called outdoor survival. You know, it's what it's what
daguerreian Dave used to come and sort of codified their hex
curling outdoor procedures for d and d.
And back in the day, I love outdoor survival.
It's also from 1960s. So it's That's a rough one.
Yeah, you know, rules wise and stuff like that, but the
underlying B? It's the same thing that we do.
All of that, you know, you start in a hex, you roll for
direction, you have situations and stuff like that.
So, Debbie, and I, we we play a lot, a lot, a lot of word games.
And so we're designing our riff, our take on outdoor survival,
called penguin adventurous and still the Condrey is working up
the design for that one, we're going to do a cool thing.
We're going to launch that as a cheap or For free, you know, or
plenty Community. Happy's rules, just the basic
rules with a jam behind it. You know there's different
schools under you do a Jammer, do not do a gym.
We went to gym aspect for this because there's really you can
do all kinds of stuff with scenarios.
You can do all kinds of stuff with reskinning.
So we have the basic one penguin Adventures which is based off of
RK itty-bitty and and she's you in.
Your characters are cats going through the countryside, you
have to have food, you have to get food and water to, you know,
I'm so that's bad. That's the one for me, trihex,
crawl. Where your cats and the way in.
And then tip side. Yeah, and, but, but it's just
the, it's just a board game aspect of it.
You're right. So you, you have a, you have
movement rules, and then, you roll a die to see if you have an
encounter. If you have an encounter you
roller, pick the encounter, and then you do that in like, you
know, each little scenario with it, they're meant to play out in
like 35, 40 minutes tops. Like it's is a super, super
casual board games. So the first one is like your
cats, and then we also have one there.
We're just going to be unicorns looking for rainbows.
We also have one where you're going to be like Punk kids and a
van and you got to make sure that the drummer has enough
cocaine. You know I'm saying?
It's going to be all ages. There's an additional course we
are. So we're going to open up with
that one. One and kind of encouraged and
see what people do. And hopefully, if some of those
ones come out of the gym, if we get some really good ones or if
we get some really interesting or whatever work with those
people, collaborating doing that.
And then again, sometime down the line collecting that stuff
into a nice, big box set with extra Maps.
You know, we're talking about getting folks to do like
quarterly map packs for that. You can different writers,
writing different scenarios and stuff.
So it's just kind of Yeah, I don't know which thing with the
other not quite RPG but the other one board game, kill the
wizard. I've been working on kill the
wizard for, about two years for about a year seriously, and it's
called kill the wizard, because your crack team of people, there
actually are characters from Little DCC game.
Wayne Schneider used to run a game called War lands, for us,
which was his secret was, you know, it was just risk, almost
like, I know what it was really. Good but in d.c. see if you look
on DC seed and he is 92.5 Dryland demon Crown Hill because
this see a little party on the front there.
That's our our party from that Doug painted us into this.
So we've kind of kept those characters round and we make
references to them here and there so I have taken in writing
up those characters as the adventuring party.
He'll the Wizards pretty much a dudes Map.
So, it's taking my favorite parts of heroquest and Talisman
and the old TSR vampire Pocket game from 80 to that really
killer are Lotus. Cover on it and, just again,
just taking we play a lot of board games and a lot of board
games. Rule books are rough.
Would you would say that? Yeah, I think just a bit.
Yeah, yeah. I'm a I'm a, I'm a A huge fan of
Fantasy Flight. But there aren't the rule books
are difficult, sometimes. And so, one of the things that I
really want to do with the, the rule books for us is it's just
make things like super, super duper greasers.
So simplifying a lot of this stuff Andrew bellary following
arrows who does a lot of the shirts.
Well, epic levels is his rap band wrap and.
Wow, I'm old because of her a crew.
Epic levels, get yet. He and Stephen, Andrew also,
makes InDesign shirts and Andrews doing the map for killer
wizard. He's actually coming down next
month. And we're locking ourselves in
here, and we're bashing the rest of this game out.
See my, my first board game as a lifelong player of board games,
it's going to be probably going to be a lot of Tears, a lot more
more tears than usual, but there's going to be a map and
there's going to be screen-printed character meeples
and some little low. Acrylic doodads and stuff like
that, that go with it, you know, nice nice, nice, nice rule book
and stuff like that. But again, super simple, the
kind of stuff you you play, after you've been at a
conventional day and you've either been working table.
You've been doing it, everyone's exhausted and we know we've run
our late-night DCC hobo Nomicon Shenanigans and it and there's a
few people left and we want to play a game and so that's like
the level of it's like post beer and Like, you know, there we go,
that's a post. Barrett got its wanted to do is
take the post in front of it, I fixed it.
And then real quick, quick hits on a bunch of the rest of the
stuff rebar and venison or two titles coming from Sheamus Brad.
At some point in the future, venison was in the violence Jam
book from last year and there's going to be an expanded version
of that talking when There's a few I didn't get clearance on
where I can talk about those two, I'll make sure mention.
The next time I do a show working with some folks who've
done some stuff before and doing some reissues and some
re-envisioning of some like modules from several years back.
You know, stuff like that link again called bunnies and it just
by nice. That's all you need to know
right now, act mutants of Madness.
Just in CC module by for see Gary the same guy who did be
able to sort of scream Britain codex bye.
Stella Condrey which is Stella is writing 500 monsters for DCC.
I know that Goodman games has a module.
Her has a book coming out. I know there's a bunch of
monsters in it. Stella's is still just going to
be stellastot Sharia. So stuff, the rebound
transmission pan. Amplatz just really good.
Wait, you don't know that one. Is that something you don't have
Ryan? No, I absolutely 100%.
Okay. But yeah, so I'm starting this
we and on developmental passes on the first 100 of those.
Those are going to be releasing that same fashion.
You know, here's a book Works. We're talking about color
coding, we're talking to we're getting our tour in line and
stuff like that and it's one of those it's going to be State,
you know. Data for DC but also started for
other systems and there and some of these some of these things.
Let me I guess I have to say the names of some of these We can
kill the eggs, too. I'm in the wrong one, dire skunk
that's not giving too much away, dire stomachs good, this be some
Classics like help ease but then living vampires.
So if you know Stella is murderers, you don't Sharon
playing living vampires? Yeah, exactly.
I know it's good to be just just that level of just that level of
uncomfortable. Weird.
It's gonna be really good. I've been in talks well with
Logan Dean about a bunch of stuff.
Tough Logan's. Two companies, one of my
favorite books of the last three years.
So good and Logan and I looking like myself is also a background
Logistics person and does a lot of stuff like does literal
Logistics. And he's taught me a lot of
stuff in a very short time that I've known him about how to do a
lot of this stuff that we do on the backend, better couple folks
local to us here in Cape Coral. Daniel is going to be doing
primer, which is Daniel. Runs is a group that they they
play vtm. If I've a lot and they play a
lot of five eating and d and it played a lot of 40 D and D they
tend to be towards story or slightly crunchy or step.
They play a lot of Pathfinder stuff and separate divergent
evolution. Daniel doesn't know anything
about like the G+. The 0s are like the Indy RVs and
stuff like that. Just knows what he wants to
play. I was right.
And so he's writing a game called primer, which is his
fantasy Heartbreaker. But has no idea about all of
this stuff and it's so great and so working with him on that.
And then he has a hack of a no Maj to fire emblem, called
sword, and spear, that will that we've been thrown back and forth
for a bit Christian Kessler, who works on a bunch of stuff with
me here. We've got a few projects lined
up with him. I'm just kidding.
Names survivors of the core Wars fingers of the worm.
And then he it's not named yet, but there is yet a third board
game so that we're going to be doing, it's getting involved,
hexes and magic and then, oh, you just said, man.
Let me tell you that. That was two keywords for me.
It's axes. And there's magic.
I'm in you got me. So, right?
And then Do the arrow. Seth Ian's nowhere news, which
is a project, it's a broadsheet project that Seth and I've been
thrown back and forth for a year plus now and then it's getting
close to that broadsheets pulled them out.
You got Maps. I know that Adam boss has done
some things like that and that larger format and I had
proclaimed 2022, the year of the broadsheet only got one
broadsheet out which was part of the the last more Kickstarter
But yeah, it's more modular more.
More stuff like that I guess, yeah.
Like expanding, I think it's part of the reason I'm doing I'm
doing is to make games that I want to play.
I'm really there's a I mean you've named so much stuff but
there's so many projects in as I'm really interested in like
high diving into. I'm really looking forward to
the coming out. I'm kind of looking forward to
the primer one. You were talking about because
I'd love to see the game made by somebody who has nothing to do
with the osr scene. Yeah.
Because I'm so far removed from like that more like, yeah.
Like crunch here. Here mmm modern D&D kind of path
Pioneer seen. That sounds really interesting.
Yeah, so you got you, you just have a couple things going on
this. If you just do things, just a
few. Yeah.
What you gonna do with all your extra free time?
Oh well, finish officially the mothership.
Boxset editing tie World money but for silver arm later this
summer I hypatia's angst. Sean richer or Intelligence, you
all know cropland and dungeon Grand Prix and turn Willow and
Stratus Fein. There's a constant
back-and-forth pipeline which on currently I think next up from
there I did development for the dirt bike.
Dungeon Grand Prix Rift. So it's all plugged dirt bikes.
Yeah, so that one Sean's like busy writing, that one so that
will come over pretty soon and then then the cycle of the snake
will 32/3 its cycle of the snake will 3, but it's the second part
of cycle of the snake will have to.
Okay, this is technically the third in the state wolf cyclic
cycle. The snake will have 2.5.
Yeah, first Blood Parts like part 2.
I mean, you wouldn't do it. Expect, you would expect nothing
less from from inaudible intelligence joint that one,
I've decided, sat with him, with the dev, on that one already.
It involves a Weird black site underneath the sea, like
mountains and all this other stuff.
And there's a city and doing it too much of a way about it.
But it's, yeah, it's going to be really great when it comes out
the whole time. I was like, doing Dev on it.
I was just like thinking like all that, you know, Twin Peaks
and stuff like that. Well, my favorite shows you, I'm
liking that mindset. He was like, oh no, he had some
other whole aspect of it as like looks going to work, it's going
to be Great. So yeah, that's my free time is
taken up by doing a bunch of other freelance editing for a
lot of stuff, and I'm playing games and we got, you know, to
new kittens, you know, because itty-bitty past and we've got
her little brother, the Jeeves, the Grievous.
He was not doing so hot for a few days that he just was not,
he was not having a good time, then, neither were we?
And so we and we got to, Kadence Boca tan and Sabine and they are
Terrors they're great. So yeah.
Hey, I would that be? That's where I'm at.
Yeah, I have no idea how you keep all, or any of that in your
head at any time because I'm like, man, I run a game and then
I do this and I work and I mean I guess I'm taking classes to
but like dude, I couldn't imagine Like no I couldn't
imagine doing that's like this stack even has to print not even
know what this is. This is Friday.
This is stuff that I think I might have got done today.
You have won. This has great hell of Doom on
it. All right.
There's never gonna be a magic item somewhere in one of my
games. Hell yeah, like that, that we
will love that he had to just part of it.
Like I said, with what stuff that goes on in my brain injury.
I've just, I've just practicing and using You know,
organizational software and getting to really know
spreadsheets. And then extend, so an overall
program to keep stuff on notebooks at for years, I worked
off of kitchen ticket pass because I've worked in
restaurants and bars and stuff. And so, you know, the ticket at
that you write an order on and I would have one for Mel Sonia and
one, for Mothership and one for orbital intelligence and one for
EF and one for, you know, hobo Nomicon.
And they would just It's it's tacked on the desk and I would
pull one out and I would do a little bit of work on that, you
know, and I do something. And then I, when the page is
mostly scratch, that you tear it off and you rewrite, what you
don't and do it there. When we moved, we moved here
from from Casey, I had for comic book, short boxes, full of just
those notes because I wouldn't throw any of it away because you
never know when you're going to miss something.
Or, you know, you got a reference back eventually.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
I had a head for coming book. Short boxes stacked, very Really
full of those nodes. Nowadays.
It's you know it's in tracking software and stuff like that or
I have you know a couple of grid notebooks that I use to keep
like all of the business stuff in one and then all of the game
stuff and another one. So yeah.
You have a million a million, you know, plates in the air.
But at one point you said you're talking about want to try three
releases a month but what's your actual release schedule?
Go. Gonna be like for like how many
games you would like to put out? Now frequently, you're actually
gonna put those out both board game and table talking.
So, for this year, the, the first of those first fives, the
the zine designs, and then the hardcover softcover for trade
nights. So, those of you are launched
those, Alexa be starting in the next couple weeks.
They'll be eventually available for sale.
Once they're in the warehouses, and they're good and alive.
And we're testing and nothing's going, nothing's broken.
Then you know, follow all the socials and all that stuff.
Like we've got a sub stack that we're working on.
There were going to be hidden hitting stuff next week and
doing some, you know, push to get some more, folks has eyes on
stuff. So yeah, some time here in the
next. I'm really literally hoping in
the next 3 weeks to be able to say these books are on sale and
then we've got a few like looking at my list here.
I've probably got three more that Are fairly close to those
would be in quarter three. I'm going to be over going to be
traveling in the fall for a friend's wedding and I also go
to the rules. I have to kill that same friend.
So good luck. I know and visiting folks were
going to go To Berlin. We're going to visit yawns yawns
shot. We're going to visit Igloo, tree
headquarters and stuff like that.
Like in get to know people visit a bunch of like brick-and-mortar
stores make some contacts and stuff like that.
So a lot of August is taking out taken up by that exploration
trip and then the fall going into going into the late fall.
I think some more lace like three or four more.
I'll present for second. Bear guides actually is really
really really close to that. And that's an art stages,
resident, is in art stages, so probably three to five more
during quarter 3 and then can't really speak too much more to
what quarter for will look like super hoping to have the penguin
Adventures. The, you know, like a print
version of that with the nice fold-out map for the board and
all that stuff like that. Yeah, that was that one's going
to. I think we're going to do box
set. It's another thing growing up, I
loved box sets and who doesn't love box sets?
And I like, getting like three or four, you know, letter size
State Saddle stitched booklets and, and jeans and whatnot with
some maps and stuff like that. That's the sort of stuff that I
like that. I want to see more of and make
more of I'm so we're going to do more of those and just, you
know, entry-level stuff like let's less worried about.
I'm not so much worried about how they'll be receiving.
Sieved as a product because I know people like boxes.
I die halves apart. I love boxing.
I'm more I'm more wanting to make sure that whatever we do
that, we don't do it hits. It has everything and nothing
feels like an afterthought and it doesn't seem like there's
extra space in there, you know I'm saying?
This is not shitting on the by ve starter box.
I thought five you started box is good.
I like the fender over Adventure.
Yeah. And I will safe and over.
It was probably their second or third best adventure.
That 5e is ever put out. Yeah, but but but it felt like
there was something missing in that box.
You know what I'm saying? Like it's like it's like you
open it up. It is like there's, there's the
rules introduction and then there's there's the the module
and then there's map Sinister character sheets and some dice,
you know, I think realized what it was was just a tiny little
bit of a lore book or a setting book because I think that was,
in fact, And over, but kinda bend over could have benefits
like spend over and over could have been split into two things.
That's what you know I'm saying. It feels it feels like a box
needs three. Again, I say this and then we
get to be get to other box sets further down the line and
there's and there's going to be like, oh no, I totally have no
idea, you know, it'll change. Oh I did realize I did skip the
other, the other part. So in addition to Bruins Dread
nice. We're going to do the print run
of more qual later in the Summers to see us another one.
The see I'm not that organized. I am organized.
So more balls going to come out at some point and and working
with 28 mag, I don't know if either of, you know, 28 mag.
But it's a great open minis. Yeah.
Opens open source like non, you can get the, you can pee of
just, it's the number two, and the number 8 and mig-28 mang.
And working with Will and Alexander there with that we're
going to be doing a just slipcase edition of their first
four first four issues like so you know a couple of volumes
there's a lot that goes into that with rights because you get
rights for the for the Miniatures units.
For the images and events that grass and stuff like that.
Because certain sculpture Kate you sir.
Companies and not going to name them.
But don't want you taking pictures of their stuff unless
it's in their official house joint.
Wait? What?
Who Could That Be? So, but yeah, and doing with
that working on a light version, or like a light version version
of forbidden, Psalm aimed at kids in our players kids, do
working titles childhood, it's going to have some fantastic,
fantastic 8-bit art that Alexander's doing Minds me of
Earthbound of Mother, 3. I guy, I love the art.
I'm so excited. You can check the, you find that
stuff over on the Forbidden, some Discord, and then also
along with 28 mag and and working with Alexander is might
actually be fulfilling from local to me.
Not not through the warehouse fist in the eye Miniatures,
which is part of the part of the folks with 28 mag.
There are, there are three Scopes, there's two Orcs And
there's an explorer that route and you can check out the in the
most recent issue of 28 magwitch should be up shortly if it's
not, there's a spread in there about the Explorer and whilst at
it, it for forbidden some really cool paint job.
Yeah, I know, tomorrow is going to be kind of weird Christmas,
48 year old me. Zero means jealous of of almost
48, year-old me because I will be getting In the mail from
Wales, a box of Miniatures in like, packaged in, like ready to
go. And then, our well in plastic
bags. And then, from A supplier in the
United States, clam shells for to put these in and then we're
getting some packaging designed up.
And yeah, we're doing some, we're doing some limited runs.
We're doing like, you know, a few hundred of each of the Orcs
and several hundred of the Explorers they're not.
To be like, oh, no limited time only you can never get them.
Again, we're just doing small runs because this is new for us,
you know, right? This is this is a, it's a new
thing. As it timed out.
They were getting ready to do these at the time that I'm ready
to do this. And you know, originally working
with, you know, fulfillment warehouse and to exclusive
retailers in other countries, I wasn't really going.
To get to do a lot of order fulfillment from here.
So this, you know, from from like, like, in my city.
So it was actually kind of nice like to have these short runs.
Personally, obviously, we're hoping that everyone loves these
so much that we can literally scale up to production really
fast and do that. But there's just something
awesome about Hands-On, like Debbie and I sitting at the
table and packaging, the little mini With the card inside there
and bubble stamping it and then putting it.
Like that's, I mean, that's, you know, I want to do it.
I like to do it, like, I like to send out care packages and
random stuff that's you guys going to give me your address
too, by the way. Absolutely.
I don't think I can write. Well, I really hope thing you
guys get to the level of like high level production but like
genuinely when I get stuff in the mail that somebody did by
hand and like packed up and gag him like I fucking love this,
this is grim, you know, there's some there's some soul to that,
you know? Yep.
They're like I just I really
love it when I said I got in stickers and it just I don't
know. It's just it's the fun of fun of
making stuff in and doing stuff as you remember a pen pals.
We were kids. We had pen pals like and you
would you would write letters to kid in another country and they
would say about me and I never had one.
So it was so fun and like that's kind of now I'm like I got
pimples all over the world. Like I just I'll literally put
you on my, on my ad on my address list and I'm make these
stickers for like, thinking adventures and for Space,
Penguin another random shit. And you'll just all of a sudden
there will be a little everybody be like, oh I got the new
sticker good to do sticker. I was like, yeah, cool.
And they don't they're cheap. I can make them inexpensively
and it's just a tiny bit of joy in this messy.
Fucked up world. I think that's really cool.
I'm a there. I have a, there's a really dumb.
The board game that I'm trying to find a copy of.
If I find it, I might send it to you.
So, what is it? Because I it's called volcanic
bird in the me and the voice concern game.
Oh, I don't know that one. But it's yeah, it's a it's like
a great incredibly dumb and small and by the small artist
but like since you appreciate board games and I failed like
you appreciate weird stuff but I find another copy of it.
I'll send it to you. Hell yeah.
Love that. Love, that has no address to
jerk. It So eventually I'll get to
that post. Another pan will do will get
that. So lot going on, lots of, in the
are lots happening. Where can people find all of
this stuff that like when it's going to release?
Like I know you're on Twitter, you have your website, but what
are those? So, the people listening can can
find those. And so, yeah, I have to look at
it because I don't use Twitter in daily life.
That's what Young said, partnering.
Marketing person to do this stuff was the bet I re marketing
person was the the was the best decision for me because I am
just unknown and unaware. You know, Jerry Sinclair give me
in a word a few years back for not having a Twitter and I
appreciate that, you know. So so it's at Space, Penguin ink
and I don't know as if Twitter is case sensitive, but it's at
Space, Penguin ink our website is Is www.spacetelescope.org
ink. Shout out to my key Lombardi for
teaching me about top-level, domains, the day that we did
that because we knew the space between part was going to be in
there, right? And I kept coming with odd
random things and Tony the sender was like, oh my God,
that's to way too long of a name.
I was like, for forward names for the company, and he's like,
no, it's just too much. And then I was trying to find
and we will give you space And then Mikey, we went to the list
of top level domains and we found dot Inc, which is for
Creative Printing, Tada and Tattoos things.
I like so. So, it worked out pretty well.
And yeah. So then space banquet Inc, was
just kind of that's boom. That did that day that I were
that domain. Like last fall, was the day that
the name was set in stone. Nice, Facebook pages in the
works. Again with that yo yeah, I know
a lot of folks good music but right there's a there's a lot of
folks who do you stick with it and use it and stuff like that.
So we'll we'll do that with the visual medium of books and, you
know, and words and art and pictures and stuff like that
Instagram. I think in the end I think the
Instagram is going to be the one where there's a lot of stuff
going on, weird, you know, talking with died.
We've got a plan to do stuff that we're doing.
With the Twitter and stuff like that.
But yeah, a lot of it is just going to be like, hey, here's
our stuff and here's what it is and doing shows, like yours and
Tony's and hanging out with other folks.
You know, I've got, there's one in the can with low guard while
beliefs, it's going to come out in June met him the other day.
Awesome. You know I'm doing spell burn
next week, I used to you know host Melbourne and stuff like
that. So that's great.
Just did doing these shows and stuff like this and being able
to talk a little bit and give it a little bit more of a face or a
voice to kind of what we're doing.
Yeah. And then you know, the sub
Stacks going to be the big place where we're going to have
interviews with the creative teams, like die has done
interviews with all the craters, all our launch titles, asking
them about stuff, and yeah, just given a bit more of a, just give
it a bit more of a face to it. So, yes, there's the Instagram.
I don't remember what the Instagram is.
Sorry, I can look it up. This is just it's like yeah.
Shut up, yeah. Well I don't know what it is and
dies going to watch this guy's gonna watch this in the morning
and be like, what? And I'll be like, what's good to
us? And we'll put it in the
stack is going to be pushing their to some Stacks. 36 times,
I want to shout for some sex Stella's sub stack Spooky
Rusty's, szostak me Castle, who might still be the champ.
Christian M sub s really great and Krista said, stubb status
really great. Those are yeah like folks and
and you know in Kirby's working on theirs as well for DT.
Like I it's kind of I so told it was who's talking to us?
Maybe. It was died this morning and I
was just like, yeah, it's nice because a couple of times a week
I'll get These emails and from James tenían and and Kelly
Thompson Union. And these comic book creators
and I don't want to read him right away but I can just leave
him sitting in my inbox and then I can pop over and I can look
it's a Blog delivery service, you know?
And if I want more I can go to their blog and if I'm, if I'm
wealthy, I can purchase, you know, like extended
subscriptions and stuff like that.
But yeah no I just I think it's It's a nice way to engage
especially for folks who are busier and doing the stuff
because I wish that I could say and I do my best to go around
and thumbs up everybody at a lot of people don't know if you Baka
the new my Chewbacca emoji and stuff like that but like you
can't really do a Chewbacca emoji on someone sub stack but
if you have a sub stack, then you can mention.
There are some stack in your subset.
And yeah and and and pay that and Niko's working.
On a Blog ring, you know, and weathering and stuff like that.
My can Bart eat. Like it's great, you know,
Luke's blot and all that stuff Sheamus like I don't know his
Alma nerd, I'm a nerd friends but yeah, just kind of keeping
the communication alive. I think what you said about it
being like a like a, the blog's delivered to you is like how I
feel about and I think it's an interesting development in
blogosphere but yeah, so yeah, those subsets great, it's really
nice that like you said people can Just post other people's sub
stack blocks onto their stuff and like you can find a whole
chain of it. And I know when we talked to
Prismatic waistline about blogs and stuff like that, it was
really eye-opening to be able to see how much really is out
there. And it's really cool that that's
kind of becoming a place where a lot of people to put a lot of
their thoughts and to be able to spread that around.
So, it's really fantastic that you guys are going in the
direction as well. So can't wait to can't wait to
get those a bunch and then as you said everyone else's, do
you, do you want to do the giveaway?
Do we want to? To actually give you some peace.
I didn't realize. Thanks for everybody who's still
around listening to us. I haven't been reading the chat
up and talking to these guys but it's been.
It's this is yeah, it's been a good show.
So giveaway time, do we want to do one or two?
Well, that's, I mean, that's really up to that's up to you.
You doing the giveaway, they're fighting to the death.
So however, you want to do it. Lets you want to, you want to do
to just so we got double the fun for people out there, okay?
So, Yeah, so if you if you have not entered the giveaway, just
have to be following to win and hit estimation one SPI.
I'm gonna close that in like five seconds and then I'll pick
a couple out here. So if you somehow are here right
now and haven't done it. Yeah, we got Hunter on the
countdown one. Yeah.
Now let me remember how to close in trees.
Boom and we are closed. So then this should pop up.
So we're doing I assume since you're holding it up, dread
nights is the first one we're going to give away.
So that is going to be 40 Theory.
You want a copy of dread nights, it's just going to be dry night.
Synod says both but that's just going to drive might so that
zeros Theory so 0 if you are in the chat hit me up on this.
Yeah just message me or with me through twitch or hit us up in
the Discord and we'll get your info to to jerk and we'll get
that sent out. And keep in mind, this is a this
is the amount final copy. Like when you get the that's a
not final. This thing we took it to Gary
Cohn and we ended up rearranging whole cloth, sections and moving
stuff, got that limited edition, smell to it.
You know, it's funny one of the games.
I one of the games I ran there, I was with with several people
who do editing for a living and they chewed me up and they're my
friends. But I was just like I'll this is
great. This is why we test is it
perfect? No, but yeah, sweet.
So cool. I'm gonna will you look at this?
The Post-it notes or should I be putting this?
You said zeros is z r. OS Theory.
Yep alright. Alright so now laundromat locked
away Mama back number 42 game I should enter for this 142 know I
wanted it to provide hardcover people who went to a hardcover
book but yes it's It's like those.
It's the books box box love bucks.
Um and J. Chill has won a copy of
laundromat. Rachel 29 jhl 29k.
So if you are here, message me, if you are not here, hopefully,
I'll find you, or I'll whisper you on, Twitch.
Let me write that down, just in case, they're not here.
Um, jhl 29 to 29. All right, so congrats everyone,
that one that, I mean, honestly, I really wanted to enter like I
said for that dreadknight so on because the, there's not gonna
be another copy of like that, like the Added big use been beat
up and looked at by other people.
That's a really, really awesome thing to have something that's
really 19. When I die, I'll add you to the
list of you get the dread nights.
I'm not kidding. I have a I have a box over here
that has all the proof copies because part of the editorial is
when I have a larger book I will print out like even the
mothership stuff I'll print those out and ate half by 11 so
I can sit and actually use them at the table and test them out
and stuff like that. I've got stuff going back to I
don't know if I haven't trekking numinous in there.
I've got some there's think there's a copy of Fever Swamp
from like eight years ago. Like it like it was probably
like iteration seven or eight here.
You know, that book went to like 13 revisions of just something
between Christian. And I just to get that just to
dial it in to be made Lux Lux words and Andrew Sartre.
Good. So those are the things like
this. This thing right here, that no
one can see is the the the pre Kickstarter 12 years from
Maximum, no choice, even edited or playtested or anything.
It's like a prized possession. So those things are great.
Love to have those specially from an editor who's going to
have like every different variation of those.
Yeah. So um so yeah.
So listen dirt, I can't thank you enough for coming on the
show. This is really fantastic.
Open. Invitation all the time.
If you have something big coming up please, please come on.
Please talk about it. We're super happy to talk about
anything that you do is basically one.
Sounds absolutely amazing. Doing you've done awesome work.
You know, like you said over 500 books, have your name in it and
every person who's ever spoken of you or has talked at all,
says, how you're just such an amazing person and such an
awesome positive force for the TT RPG industry and it's really
awesome to have you kind of a helming not help you are helming
Space, Penguin and doing these things that you want to do which
is what we all want. So just can't thank you enough
for everything that you've done for everything that you're doing
and super excited for everything that's going to from this.
So and I think we're both really excited about SPI.
I think it's going to be really cool and I think it's gonna be
super weird, which I think like we're very much down for, you
know, thank you both for having me on super, super appreciate,
and just and thanks everybody who's in the in the chat
watching this gift and everyone. All those nerds and chat,
everyone who I've worked with before, and everyone who I work
with now. And everyone I work with in the
future of like, yeah, the the It's pretty crazy place and
games just gives us a little bit of light.
You know. It's yeah we can we can we get
all work better and change in and do see I'm sorry, I'm
getting sapping but it really but really is is like is the
reason I get up and do stuff is because I get to work with
really great people. And I've learned a lot about
myself by working with other folks, and And making cool weird
shit. Like, like I said, eight year,
old me is super jealous of 48, year-old me like really, really,
really, really, really happy that the kid inside me still
gets to just to game shit. So, yeah, that's awesome.
If you, like I said, can't can't wait to see everything that's
coming. Super excited for these releases
saving up money already. So really, I said, really
appreciate you being here and for those listening where the
weekly scroll all our social to hear there.
They're everywhere there. You'll find actually listen to
us so I'm not going to listen off again.
But again, super appreciate you coming on and and everyone in
chat. Thank you so much for being here
and you guys all have a wonderful day.