1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,120 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll podcast. 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,160 My Name Is Ryan. And I'm a space cowboy, but 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,000 animated like I'm in Ghost in the Shell. 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,440 And and today we have a very special guest that is Camilla of 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,640 Crescent Chimera. How are you doing today, Camila? 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Thank you. Really happy to be here. 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,640 Really excited to talk about the game. 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Yeah. I mean, I think how do we even 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,160 start this? I mean, congratulations on being 10 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:48,840 extraordinarily funded and who, like from out of nowhere you 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:54,040 came in and I think the entire scene took notice very quickly 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,760 to how gorgeous and awesome this project looks. 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,920 So I guess before we get going, like who, who, Who The Who the 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,519 heck is Camilla? And how did you kind of come in 15 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:06,160 and just blow everything up like this? 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,840 Thank you. I I feel really interested in in 17 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,080 RPGs for a while and about two years ago or so I I knew I 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,720 wanted to do like my own thing. So I I started this idea of 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,200 making like a small sign for sign month, which was the 20 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,080 original idea for Astro Prisma, just like a sci-fi space 21 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,280 exploration game with like some faction elements, some story 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,280 elements included in there too. And yeah, it was supposed to 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:41,600 come out about one a year and a half ago or so, and it just kept 24 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,120 getting bigger and bigger. I kept doing more art. 25 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,840 I wanted to do more pages and yeah, over time I just decided 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,160 to push the project back and make it as good as they could. 27 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,160 And yeah, that's that's in the rest. 28 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,240 Yeah, and this is and this is your first like TTRPG project 29 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:01,920 ever. Right. 30 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Yeah, yeah. This is my first RPG anything. 31 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Yeah. And it's, I mean, again, that's 32 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,000 I I said it like 10 times before we got started here. 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,120 That just blows my mind because when you look at this and anyone 34 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,440 that's listening, please go to, you know, check out Asthma 35 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,440 Prazon, Kickstarter. Obviously that's why we're here. 36 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,120 But the layout is incredible. The art's incredible. 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,880 I mean, top to bottom, it looks absolutely fantastic. 38 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,280 I'm really excited to get it and see see how it plays. 39 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,280 We're going to talk about the gameplay here a little bit too, 40 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:38,080 but what I I think, and again I think I said this before the 41 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,240 show started, I don't know a lot of people in the space that can 42 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,960 do everything that you've done on here as far as the art, the 43 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,160 layout like you're talking about, even like learning 44 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,320 Blender for some of the graphics, like the maps, like 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,560 everything is incredible. So you said that you do like 46 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,480 graphic design on on the side. Is that what? 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,200 Yeah, on this side I actually, I I studied cinematography in 48 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,600 university. That was like what I was yeah, 49 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,600 getting like professional academic training for like 50 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,840 shooting movies, doing special effects, post production. 51 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,080 Yeah. And actually my my intention was 52 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,560 always to be like a game developer, like video game 53 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,160 developer. So my background like longer 54 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:27,760 term has been like pixel art, music and then just learning 55 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,480 coding and that sort of thing. And about I want to say 3-4 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,520 years ago I I found out about like in the RPGs, like the whole 57 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,200 scene I got, I fell in love with it immediately. 58 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,920 And yeah, from there I just got the idea to make my own. 59 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,360 Very cool. And what's your so like, What is 60 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,800 your background in like playing tabletop games? 61 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Like what's your go to game and what games? 62 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:59,000 Do you play my go to game? I would say I really like 63 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,080 sci-fi. I think that's part of the 64 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,720 reason why I I found out about indie games, Steven, because 65 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,000 Daniels and Dragons is like, you know it's it's so big, but if 66 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,920 you like sci-fi, it doesn't really offer that. 67 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,680 So I feel like if you like science fiction games you like, 68 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,399 you have to go out and out of your way to like find in this 69 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,079 stuff that is like Mothership different space something 70 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:27,880 different. And yeah, and I would say I 71 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,640 would say Mothership is like my favorite. 72 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,920 It's like the one that really make me, made me fall in love 73 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,120 with it. The graphic design, especially 74 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:40,280 on the expansions like a pound of flesh, gradient descent, like 75 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,920 they're all amazing. And then then I got really into 76 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,640 solo games and I would say solo games that that I really like. 77 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,080 I would say my main one is miru. I mentioned that a lot in that's 78 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,160 like my favorite by far. And then I would say something 79 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,760 like I was sent Empty Light by Alfred Valles, another amazing 80 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,680 one. The soundtrack of that is is 81 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,480 really good. I do music, so playing that game 82 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,120 with the soundtrack by the side is like one of my favorite 83 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,600 experiences with RPGs ever. And yeah, I would say those two. 84 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,160 I also, I've been getting into like more journaling type games 85 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,840 lately. I used to like more like board 86 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:27,120 game type solo RPGs. And yeah, I also really like the 87 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:34,120 games from Mouse Hole Press. They're the people that do 88 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,840 Artifact Bucket of Polls, Corey Co. 89 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:39,680 They did recently. Yeah, those games are also 90 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,040 amazing too. Yeah, I mean that's that's 91 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,040 definitely a a high list to shoot for. 92 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,200 When you look at the the touchstones and in you know your 93 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,720 sub stack on the Kickstarter page, you know like you said 94 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,920 Miru Henakoto is does amazing stuff. 95 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,920 I'm so excited to finally get a box for all of it after the new 96 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,560 Kickstarter. Me too. 97 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,560 Yeah, Rue Notorious 1000 MC likes like you said. 98 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,160 I mean, Alfred Valley is an insanely amazing solo solo game 99 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,360 designer, So. Designer yeah. 100 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:08,640 Yeah, period. Yeah. 101 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,240 But the great inspirations to have for this and and and I 102 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,760 assume you know that you you fell in love with solo RP GS and 103 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,280 that's kind of why you made your first game a solo RPG. 104 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:24,120 That's. Is that a good assumption? 105 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:31,000 Yeah, the thing with like being into RPGs is that I feel like 106 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,520 you end up collecting so many without playing them, like going 107 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,480 on each going on trial. Yeah, like what you're talking 108 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,240 about. I just I don't know what do. 109 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:42,320 You mean? Yeah, like at any any month. 110 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,800 Like I can buy like 5 to 10 RPGs on each that I love like even a 111 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,800 small games. And I feel like with solo games 112 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,680 it's much easier to like establish a connection with them 113 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,880 because I I think I've played every single solo game that I 114 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,440 own. But with like multiplayer games 115 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,680 it's much harder. You have to find like the right 116 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,840 group and have the time for it. Even if you had like the best 117 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:08,840 group that is like super into all these in the games, like you 118 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:11,320 would need days and days to just go through all them. 119 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:17,160 See like the solo RPGs is just I feel like it's easier to connect 120 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,520 with people because you know they're going to be playing 121 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,920 them. At least for my first game, I 122 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,600 wanted to I I want to also do like traditional like 123 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,600 multiplayer games too. But for my first game, I thought 124 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,840 going solo, it was like a niche market that I could like, make 125 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,120 something really cool for. OK, so, so Astro Prisma, that's 126 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,920 that's why we're here. That's what we're talking about. 127 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,320 This is the solo RPG. So what is? 128 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:49,840 What is Astro Prisma? Astro Prisma is a just solo game 129 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,080 Is mostly focused on a space exploration. 130 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,200 I feel like that's the defining factor when when I was playing 131 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,040 like Mothership in Space, Cyborg, all these other sci-fi 132 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,280 games I had this age to like you know going on a spaceship and 133 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,720 explore different planets, different locations as that sort 134 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,840 of thing. And I feel like I didn't really 135 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,360 get them from those games. They're they're more like you 136 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,560 know you play on an adventure in like 1 specific location and 137 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,920 that's what jokes is in like a sci-fi setting. 138 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,960 But you don't actually go into an explorer like the unknown. 139 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,640 So I made a surpism very specifically trying to target 140 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,960 that and then I would say the other big element that defines 141 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,080 it and makes it different from other games is the function 142 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,640 element. It's very much instead of like a 143 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,480 linear story or like an adventure story that you go 144 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,880 through, it's different factions. 145 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,880 Each one has their own quests, their own storylines, and it's 146 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,480 sort of up to you as a player to like decide what you want to 147 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,240 side with, what you want to oppose and sort of build that on 148 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,240 your own. Gotcha. 149 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,200 So exploration is, you know, kind of the focus. 150 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,840 That's what you said what. So in the game, like what 151 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,880 encourages the exploration, like what is, what is in the game 152 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:20,160 that allows for that? When the game is sent, around 153 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,760 the core element is this hex scroll map, like a space system. 154 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:30,840 It's sort of like a hexagonal like 36 styles and at the center 155 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,880 of the star of the system and every single like ring of access 156 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,720 around it is like a different area different ring and sort of 157 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,120 your main goal is to explore the entire system to fill that map 158 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,120 to see what you you find in there. 159 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,840 And as the game progresses, it's going to transition more into 160 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,440 the function element of the game where like instead once you've 161 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,560 explored the whole thing, it's about OK, what faction do I want 162 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,920 to have control over these resources in this planet? 163 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,680 Or what faction don't want to side with in this battle that's 164 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,600 taking place in like the middle of space over here? 165 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,640 And you sort of rest your increase your like favour with 166 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,360 the factions and decide like the fate of of the system in that 167 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,600 way. Very cool. 168 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,360 The faction's really, really cool too. 169 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,760 I love. I loved Warg, you know, I just 170 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,040 loved the you. Know. 171 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:32,040 My cab like this is great. Yeah, I mean, yeah, let's talk 172 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,440 about the faction. So what what made you want to 173 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,720 have? Because I love factions. 174 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,000 Factions are absolutely fantastic. 175 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,000 So many adventures and so many settings. 176 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,080 When done well, factions add so much depth to to that. 177 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,560 What made you want to make the faction element such a central 178 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:58,160 kind of facet of the game? I would say because it's such a 179 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,880 like exploration centered game and it's like very open for the 180 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,560 player, like there's you don't need to do anything. 181 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:07,560 It's all up to you. Like if you want to go explore 182 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:11,600 that planet you can go. If you want to go and fight the 183 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,360 1st cargo ship you find you can also do that. 184 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,280 It's very open. In that sense. 185 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,760 My first thought is to sort of take inspirations from video 186 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,840 games that do similar things like games like Father New Vegas 187 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,960 I I I mentioned in the page for example that is also a game that 188 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,080 like you start the game and you can go wherever you want, do 189 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,640 whatever you want. Their exploration games at their 190 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,360 core and the way those games usually work is they have the 191 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,720 function to the function element to add the story, to add more 192 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,760 structure and like sort of overarching narratives to the 193 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,960 game while still remaining like fully open. 194 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,960 Like you can join, leave the function, do whatever you want. 195 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:58,040 See, it was more in that sense why I decided to add functions I 196 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,560 didn't want to like to like lower downs to the player or 197 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:05,080 like to like you have to go to this place and then this place 198 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,160 and like follow every path. No, Like I wanted the game to 199 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,280 be, like I said, very open but also very replayable. 200 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,040 If you wanna play one time and like join these two factions. 201 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,800 Next time you play you can join the the other factions and have 202 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,920 a different experience there. You go, yeah, I mean, like I 203 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,560 said, faction play, you know, especially Fallout, that's such 204 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:30,520 a great example cuz those are so important in those and 205 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,400 especially in like a game geared on solo exploration. 206 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,600 It like you said, having these overarching narratives and 207 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,840 overarching things. I mean when I think a lot of 208 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,880 faction play a game, that's not sci-fi at all. 209 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,360 I really loved Skyrim for the same kind of way where like you 210 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,440 can pick one and have whole storylines with it and when you 211 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,520 play the game you could pick the other one. 212 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,360 I mean, I always became an assassin and killed everybody 213 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,160 every time, but the option was there for other factions, you 214 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,200 know? So there are 5 factions, you 215 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,200 know what? What are? 216 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,520 What are those? Kind of just a quick rundown of 217 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,320 of those. Yeah, there's five of them. 218 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:11,560 I I wanted to do factions that were a little bit that sort of 219 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:19,120 cover every not every trope, but like every corner of sci-fi that 220 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,280 you want to experience in a game like this. 221 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,400 But it's sort of be a little different than, you know, like 222 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,000 the Star Wars thing of like the Empire. 223 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,160 It's like the faction and then the Rebels. 224 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,800 I wanted to do something a little bit different. 225 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,440 So I mean 5 factions. The first one is war like you 226 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,440 said, that is like sort of guerrilla faction, very like 227 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:47,240 very radical sort of eco terrorist sort of organization. 228 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,120 It's it's really good faction, but it's also going to put you 229 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,040 in like a very interesting sort of decisions that you're going 230 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,360 to have to take or like have your own ideas or your own 231 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,240 standing within the faction. Then there's there's Courser 232 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,280 Syndicate, which is like your bounty hunter action outlaw 233 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,040 faction that is going to give you like quests to like, you 234 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,720 know, bounty contracts to like go to this planet and kill this 235 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,680 person sort of thing. And if you're more an amoral 236 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:16,880 type of player, you can do those things too. 237 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,120 There's Medusa Sector, which is like a hacker faction. 238 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,760 If you really want to go into like that sort of character that 239 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,560 side of the game, get Hawks, increase your practice mind, get 240 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,840 a lot of cyber tech, that whole thing. 241 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:39,160 And then there's the, there's the Intersolar Federation which 242 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:44,400 is like a trade Federation. If you want that's for like if 243 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,800 you want to be like a space trucker, if you want to do cargo 244 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,720 missions like take these people or like these materials from 245 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,240 this factory planet into this space station and that sort of 246 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,320 thing. And then the final one is the 247 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,520 synth arch. It was just a little bit more 248 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,240 esoteric. It's like a it's a function of 249 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,040 androids, robots that like the whole idea is the world is the 250 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,560 post apocalyptic universe. So it's it's it's in space, it's 251 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,240 the universe, but it's post apocalyptic. 252 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:22,200 So the the galactic empires, the civilizations have perished 253 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,560 thousands of years ago or hundreds of years ago. 254 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,640 So a lot of the robots, a lot of technology is very old and the 255 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,280 AIS and these sort of things have like gone past their the 256 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,720 point where like they're self aware, they're trying to figure 257 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,920 out like religious questions, like esoteric spiritual things. 258 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,600 So it's like this really interesting idea for a faction 259 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,400 of, like its center around robotics and like cyborgs and 260 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,640 that sort of thing, but it's also almost like a religious 261 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:57,600 faction in a way. Yeah, so what's if you had to 262 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,760 pick your favorite faction of those, what's your favorite one 263 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,680 to play with? My favorite one to play. 264 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:09,560 That's a hard question because I I on purpose started to do every 265 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,440 single one very fun. And I have this thing where 266 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,160 like, I know my own like tendencies as a player. 267 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,680 If I play like something like Daniel Sandragos, I always try 268 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,600 to like make warlocks or sorcerers and I probably never 269 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,920 going to pick a warrior. So for this game because I know 270 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,160 that it's like my tendency, I want to make the warrior 271 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,040 character equivalent in this game extra fun. 272 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,840 So even someone like me that doesn't like warriors would have 273 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,520 a lot of fun playing a warrior character. 274 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,080 Mr. Personal, which is in this game is like echo Terrorist sort 275 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,720 of thing. So I would actually say Warrior 276 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,800 is my favorite one because I really went out of my way to 277 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,360 like make it really fun even for people that don't like combat 278 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,600 centered proactors. Very cool. 279 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,760 Yeah, very cool. I mean, I immediately gravitate 280 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,480 towards Corsair Syndicate and Synth Arch, but that surprises 281 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,400 nobody because you're right, we we, we know who we are as 282 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,599 players and I'm very well established as an Edge Lord 283 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:14,079 piece of shit. So, so the actual game play 284 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,079 mechanic, because there's all spread here, that's stunning. 285 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,400 That's like the combat spread. It's one of the first ones I saw 286 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,640 and I was like, again, completely blown away. 287 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,960 But you have the six archetypes for characters. 288 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,960 There is combat mechanics as far as the actual gameplay loop with 289 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,880 the characters and everything. How? 290 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,680 How does it actually run? The best way I can describe it, 291 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,480 this is the way to describe it. It's like it's very similar to a 292 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,920 game like Miru, where like you're moving through the map 1 293 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,960 hex tile every time you move in the game. 294 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,560 Like every time you move a hex it's called one cycle. 295 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,480 So the idea is that one day is 1 hex sort of thing. 296 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,400 So you move hex by hex, you roll on the tables, you generate what 297 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,680 you explore you, you get events, encounters, characters. 298 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,800 And yeah, you used to go exploring one tile at a time. 299 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:10,000 And depending on what you encounter, like sometimes you 300 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,160 encounter a ship and you can get into ship combat, you can talk 301 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,480 to the other ship, trade, do anything you want, but sometimes 302 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,320 encounter a planet and you can land on the planet, explore the 303 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,320 planet, maybe find someone from a faction, talk to him. 304 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,640 So it really depends on what you actually find while exploring. 305 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,000 Nice. Yeah. 306 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,560 I so, I I mean, I know you said you were getting more into solo 307 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,480 journaling games. I own a million. 308 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,600 But I it's I just can't find myself sitting down to be able 309 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,960 to do that. My ADHD and everything, just it 310 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,600 it really drives me nuts. I love the solo exploration kind 311 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,680 of games. Like I know you said Miro Bunch 312 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,000 Miro is such an amazing game from Hanukkoto. 313 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,040 So this is definitely scratching like I think the perfect itch 314 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:04,200 and the I think the goal you're going for is to have a game like 315 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,160 this and and get to play in that sci-fi setting. 316 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:11,360 Like actually get you know those mothership vibes and I just 317 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,400 can't tell you how sad I am that you know it is an adventure 318 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,320 game. There is there is combat. 319 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,120 So how does in in a solo game with with all of the rolling and 320 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:23,040 stuff like that, how does combat and the character stats and 321 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:28,120 everything come into play? Yeah, so for combat there's 322 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,360 actually two different systems. You have your character to 323 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,520 character combat, so like you know you get chased by a bounty 324 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,240 hunter and you have to like face them. 325 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,360 That is 1 system. And then there's another system 326 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:44,560 for ship to ship combat, like space combat. 327 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,800 Those sort of work differently and they try to go for different 328 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,720 styles. Character combat is is more 329 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,240 traditional, like similar to other RPGs because it's a solo 330 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,280 game. What you do is you roll on each 331 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,040 anime character has a different table and it's AT 10. 332 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,560 So you roll at 10 every turn for the enemy and it tells you what 333 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,960 they do. And on your turn you can choose 334 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,120 from, yeah, a big number of actions to do. 335 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,840 That you can also see in your character sheet. 336 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,320 As for As for space combat, it's a little bit different. 337 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,360 It's that is actually very inspired by the game FTL as the 338 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:27,520 other night the video game. Amazing game. 339 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,200 Yeah, so you see the layout of your ship that you can like 340 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,640 customize or you can also just buy like a pre made ship from 341 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,920 the book. You see the layout of your ship 342 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,040 and you have different modules and the way it works is that you 343 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,680 roll there's like a dice pool system. 344 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:50,720 So depending on energy that your ships reactor produces you get 345 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,960 more dice or less dice. So you say you roll like 3:00 to 346 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,960 6:00 and then you allocate those to 6 results to the different. 347 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,200 So for example you you put 2A5 and A6 on your weapons to the 348 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,560 damage and then if you put a three on your Shields so to 349 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,720 defend your ship from they name attacks and then on the the 350 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,120 enemy turn you're all designed on the table. 351 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,320 They they you do what what it says on the table and then again 352 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,040 it's your turn. So they're two different 353 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,720 systems. I try to make it varied so it 354 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,720 never gets boring. You're going from one to the 355 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,880 other and it it can make it fun for like longer playing 356 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,040 sessions. And yes, ship company strength 357 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:37,200 is more tactical, again more FTL centre, and the regular is more 358 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,720 traditional RPG combat. Give some great touchstones on 359 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,720 this, like I love FTLI, love ghosts in the shell, like we all 360 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,560 love Al Alfred Valley. Like this is like, I'm really 361 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,400 incredibly excited to get this in hand and play it. 362 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:59,800 So beyond the book, what other rewards come like as part of the 363 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,080 kicks are? I see there's a lot of other 364 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,800 stuff on here. Yeah, So when I wanted to do 365 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,000 like the expansions or Avengers for this game, I just kept 366 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,600 thinking about Mouse Reader because it's like my favorite 367 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,160 way of doing expansions where like, you can get this back of 368 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,000 like a bunch of small expansions that are like trifles and each 369 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,480 one is super unique. Super, It has its own aesthetic, 370 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,720 its own graphic design, its own setting almost. 371 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,360 So when I wanted to do an expansion for a Superisma, 372 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:34,360 instead of like just one sign that's like 30 pages. 373 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,040 I said I I want to do like 7 expansions that are like each 374 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,960 super unique, super different from each other. 375 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,080 And that's basically when you can get, you can get, there's a 376 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,560 pack, the expansion pack that you can get in the Deluxe 377 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,400 edition, which is 5 trifold expansions. 378 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,400 And then if you get the the Astromancer edition which is 379 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,600 like the everything bundle you get an an additional expansion 380 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,920 in there which is a little bit bigger. 381 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,160 It's it has like its own setting its own location sort of thing 382 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,840 and also because we hit a a stretch goal every single person 383 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,040 that box the Kickstarter now is going to get a free expansion. 384 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,880 So even if you back the just the book the the most basic physical 385 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,760 theory, you're going to get a free expansion that is written 386 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,280 by Jessa Vine, which is the author of Planet Fist and so 387 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,480 many other amazing games. And I'm super excited to like 388 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,680 see what she comes up with to do the graphics for that one. 389 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,520 Yeah, yeah. It's fantastic, yeah. 390 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,520 There is so much in this project. 391 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,000 Like not that it's like too much or anything. 392 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,800 It's just it's impressive how like filled in. 393 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,680 This is like all the way. I know we keep saying like, wow, 394 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,400 for your first project this is so impressive. 395 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,960 But like, also wow for your first project, this is really so 396 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,440 impressive. Yeah. 397 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,400 Well, I mean, there's also there's a there's the journal 398 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,840 that comes with it as well, right? 399 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,880 And then there's poster map, I think. 400 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,560 Did the stretch goal, have you had all the stretch goals? 401 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,320 Like, isn't there going to be a soundtrack now as well? 402 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,080 There's. Going to be a soundtrack. 403 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,000 There's going to be a online generator. 404 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,720 There's going to be other extras. 405 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,400 I got updated because we just hit 90K today and I I don't 406 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,600 think I've updated it since we hit 60 K So there's like a even 407 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,520 more things are going to come in down the pipeline. 408 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,840 So yeah, there's there's a bunch of stuff. 409 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,040 The next thing I'm looking forward with the stretch goals 410 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:40,240 is I'm trying to get it in like a VTT sort of software so you 411 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,000 can play the entire game, fully digital, fully integrated. 412 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,680 And yeah, especially for a solar experience like I I feel like 413 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,800 that's going to be so much fun. Yeah. 414 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:57,520 Do you have any thoughts on like are you thinking about doing a 415 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,680 VDT that already exists and just making a module for it or having 416 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,480 like your own like website for it? 417 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:08,200 Or yeah, the idea is to make a like A to integrate it in 418 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,640 Alchemy VDT if you're familiar with that one. 419 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,840 Oh yeah. Yeah, but I also like every 420 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,640 single thing that I make for the game. 421 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,720 I I wanted to be really accessible for people. 422 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,280 So even like if if you don't play in the VDT, if you just 423 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,520 want to play digitally, like all of the character sheets are 424 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,200 going to be like editable, like writable. 425 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,280 So you can edit them, change them. 426 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,320 The if you got the digital journal, not just the physical 427 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,760 one, but like if you you got the digital, that's also going to be 428 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,120 editable, so you can keep track of everything there, write them 429 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,920 up there, yeah. We're massive fan of like 430 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,000 digital tools and I love like form fillable character sheets 431 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,040 and it's cool that it's becoming more prominent. 432 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,920 But it always surprised me that it's not like everyone should 433 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,560 make when a lot of people are playing online now. 434 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,240 So it's really cool to hear that you were making them because I 435 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,480 play solo games on my like 2 screens where I have everything 436 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,760 designed and I'm like, so it's really nice to like oh cool, I 437 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,680 don't have to like open a Google Doc and just kind of like make 438 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,000 or like Google Sheets and like make my own. 439 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,880 I'm so very excited for that as well. 440 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,320 One of the well the soundtrack is. 441 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,760 I'm very, very excited for that. Are you? 442 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,600 So I know you said you do make music. 443 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,160 Are you also doing the soundtrack as well? 444 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,800 Yeah, I I mean music. I have like a synthesizer here. 445 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,240 Yeah. Like so far I've only, I mean 446 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,160 like once they four or five songs like the the one that you 447 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,360 hear on the trailer, that's the the only one that I've finished. 448 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,760 But yeah, like over the next month or two while I finish the 449 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,040 main game, I I just want to have the entire soundtrack ready. 450 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,520 And yeah, like ambient songs, like combat songs, every single 451 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,920 thing. So you can sort of seamlessly 452 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,560 put that alongside you when you play and like I I think it 453 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,760 really helps immersion. Absolutely. 454 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,800 It is so impressive how much stuff you do. 455 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,160 It's crazy. Like, yeah, I did all the art 456 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,160 and I wrote the game. I'm writing the soundtrack. 457 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,560 I'm like, Oh my God, I'm bad. I. 458 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,920 Did the layout, I did the promo, I did the yeah. 459 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,840 Oh yeah, I make music. I'll just add that too. 460 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,920 Is that it's insane. Is that a little mini MPK you 461 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,200 have over there though? Yeah, yeah. 462 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,400 That's a good. One PK Mini. 463 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:25,120 Yeah, it's a great one. But but I will say the one of 464 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,120 the stretch goals I was most excited for was the Co-op rules. 465 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:32,560 So how does that affect game play and and how are you 466 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,040 bringing Co-op into it? So the way I want to do it, I 467 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,280 want to, I want to have very comprehensive rules that like 468 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:45,080 fit different play styles because since it's a solo game 469 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,360 the game plays really well as like AGM less experience because 470 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,080 being a solo game, like essentially the game is like the 471 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,680 GM so you don't have to do anything. 472 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,600 So for like a two player, three player plus go up game, I think 473 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,520 it fits really, really well. And then outside of that I also 474 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,880 want to do really comprehensive rules for GMs. So if you want to 475 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,600 play the game like a very traditional way or like UGM the 476 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,080 game for like 3 players or so, I want to have like designer 477 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:19,080 notes, tips and hot around the game, examples of play, that 478 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,520 sort of thing and just like really help the player like 479 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,520 seamlessly adapt the game into their session. 480 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,480 Again, like being a solo game, like so much of it is super easy 481 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,760 to use even for other RPGs like if you want to use the like the 482 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,320 planet generators for any other Cypher RPG, it's like super easy 483 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,920 to adapt. But yeah, I, I I really want to 484 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,680 have like super comprehensive rules and everything is going to 485 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,600 be in the core book itself. So you it's going to be right in 486 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:58,320 the book when you got it. Yeah, again, it just just crazy 487 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,480 that your first project is one of the most like beautiful, 488 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,840 thorough projects that we've we've looked at in a very, very 489 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,920 long time. So that's that's amazing. 490 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,040 I know you said there's more stuff coming with the stretch 491 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,880 goals you already hit. You hit 90K today, 90, it's 100, 492 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,400 it's almost $100,000, but it's 90K EUR. 493 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,560 Do you? So I mean, hopefully we hit a 494 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:25,400 couple more stretch goals, but what's after this project is 495 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,560 done? Like what's the future for Astro 496 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,480 Prisma? You're already creating like 6 497 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,120 expansions for it. Are there? 498 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,280 Do you have thoughts on even more or is your you know when 499 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,680 you get there the next thought something completely different? 500 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,400 So a little bit of both. Like, I really want to keep 501 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,960 supporting the game over time. Like I want to do like every 502 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,080 year or two a big expansion for the game. 503 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,880 And I also want to do like bigger setting expansions, like 504 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,880 like bigger signs or like even a book for, I don't know, like 2 505 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,720 years from now, a year and a half from now. 506 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,680 But the next immediate project after this, hopefully like not 507 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,360 too long, it's going to be a completely different game. 508 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,600 It's going to be more like fantasy magic, like sort of 509 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,800 game. That one is going to be 510 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,760 multiplayer aside from solo player, but much more emphasis 511 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,680 on like making a traditional multiplayer game. 512 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,880 So that is sort of my long term goals. 513 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,400 It's just completely different game after this one. 514 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,560 Then after that I like to do the first big setting expansion for 515 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:42,160 the prison. Well, we look forward to your to 516 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,240 your fantasy heartbreaker, because everyone, everyone's got 517 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,600 to make their fantasy heartbreaker. 518 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,760 Yeah. Yeah, you have to so. 519 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,920 And you also said, you know, we talked about this before this 520 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,600 like you're so are you like is? Are you like a full time 521 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,200 designer now? Especially with the way the kick 522 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:05,200 starts going? Yeah, I I actually finished, I 523 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,840 finished university like 6 months ago or so. 524 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,040 So most of a surprise when I did when I was like finishing 525 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,280 university and then for like for like this past six months I've 526 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,360 just gone full time to finish the project. 527 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,400 And yeah like like my idea with this Kickstart is hopefully to 528 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,320 like support myself for to be a full time developer until the 529 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,320 next Kickstarter. And yeah, like, the response has 530 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,000 been so amazing. Like, it's like more than enough 531 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,040 to like, keep making games full time, which is such a dream job 532 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,160 to have. See, I'm, I'm really, really, 533 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,040 thankful. Really, really excited to like, 534 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,200 keep working on things. Yeah, I mean, you know we've 535 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,080 said it over and over and over again and I'll say it like two 536 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,480 more times. I mean this it top to bottom, 537 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,840 this is, this is amazing. And for this to be your the 538 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,480 first thing that you put out and for it to be this crazy and to 539 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,000 you're almost in six figures on Kickstarter for your first 540 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,960 project right after university is insane. 541 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,080 So yeah, please keep keep doing this, keep doing this for a long 542 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,520 time. Do you have any thoughts on, I 543 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,880 know you said your background, you know you you were gearing 544 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,080 towards more like video games and stuff like that. 545 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200 Do you, Is that something that you're potentially still looking 546 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,280 forward to in the future or is TTRPG is kind of like the pivot? 547 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,880 Yeah, well I saw right now RPGs have like taken over my life. 548 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,960 I I'm definitely going to be doing this for like full time 549 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,680 for the foreseeable future. I also want to do board games. 550 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,560 I also love like Indigo board games, and over time, I want to 551 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,160 be able to transition into those, those that take a little 552 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,560 bit more effort and time because you're going to produce them, 553 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,120 you're going to make everything like components and things like 554 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600 that. So maybe that takes a little bit 555 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,280 more time. But yeah, long term I want to 556 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,400 also do video games, I want to do soundtracks for games. 557 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,280 I want to keep doing pixel art, keep doing in the games. 558 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,200 We we we might know somebody that we talk to every month who 559 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,160 who also does TTRPGS and and is making board games. 560 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,360 So, board games, So. So we we'll definitely get you 561 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,000 in contact. But but yeah. 562 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,640 Do you I don't. Are you willing to say what what 563 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,560 that next stretch goal is now that you're at 90K? 564 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,240 Or are you going to wait for that to hit the Kickstarter 565 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,240 page? The the next big one is that 566 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,640 that Alchemy BTT like implementation, that's that's 567 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,040 the really, really big one that I've been working forward too. 568 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,880 And then after that I I just want to keep adding things to 569 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,000 the game, add more spaceships, add more encounters, add more 570 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,000 planets, like keep making content for the game. 571 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,600 I think that's a good decision. I feel like when people like 572 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,000 move on to like too many like other peripherals, it takes a 573 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,120 little longer, but to add content to what you've already 574 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,880 got established I think is really like wise decision. 575 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,800 I also don't want to make shipping like super expensive 576 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,000 because shipping things to the United States is from here in 577 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,600 Europe is very expensive, especially when you get into 578 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,840 higher weight. And I want to make fishing as 579 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,560 affordable as I can, like as as normal for US backers, which is 580 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,920 by far the biggest country that backs the game. 581 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,600 Yeah. So I don't want to add like 582 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,840 there's already like 7 expansions, posters, like Zine 583 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,639 journals, the the core hard book book. 584 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,560 So yeah, I I don't want to overdo it and like have to do 585 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,159 like €20 or $20.00 of shipping. I want to keep it like as 586 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,639 affordable and as as normal as I can. 587 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,520 Definitely. Because the Mothership bundle is 588 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,560 just like 30 something dollars for shipping for me. 589 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,320 So I'm like, yeah, dude, yeah. Well, I mean, the Mothership 590 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,080 bundle is also like, you know, yeah. 591 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,440 It's that's massive too 2. Pounds in about two years late, 592 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,920 but the question for possible future thing, Any thoughts in 593 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,080 the future of a box you know? I tried to get a box for this, 594 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,600 but again, it was really expensive to ship it. 595 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,120 I mean, I wasn't sure like when I when I negotiated the things 596 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,000 with the printing companies, I didn't know. 597 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,040 I thought it was going to print like 600 things. 598 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,880 I didn't know it was going to be like, so such a big Kickstarter 599 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,360 thing. So I I could I'm definitely 600 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,640 looking forward to make a box for the next game and maybe like 601 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,560 like again for the next expansion in like a year plus 602 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,600 two years from now. Maybe do like a re edition of 603 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,480 like everything in a box. But yeah, it just, I definitely 604 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,200 want to do it. Especially moving on to board 605 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,560 games is something that I want to do. 606 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,240 But doing it in Europe, it is really hard to find like a 607 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,920 manufacturers for everything sort of thing. 608 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,480 So in the future it's definitely, I definitely want to 609 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,200 do a lot of boxes for my games. Yeah, well, I mean, Miro took 610 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,280 all the way to Miro 3 before we got a box. 611 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,000 So I think we got plenty of time if if that's a touchdown. 612 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,080 And I mean it's only a little bit more than 600, it's 16145 613 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,400 backers right now. So just a couple more. 614 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,520 And with almost two weeks left to go, you could easily hit like 615 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,240 2000 backers on that. I mean you've obviously put in 616 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:22,200 an incredible amount of work, like to be like how does it feel 617 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,120 for this being your first project to to blow up this big 618 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,760 dev, this many people so excited about the project and to to 619 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,240 honestly raise this much money on Kickstarter, like right off 620 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,840 the bat, like what? Like what is that? 621 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,600 I mean, I I can't even imagine how that feels to to kind of 622 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,240 drop your first thing in it to be this big. 623 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:40,600 So. So how has that been? 624 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,080 It feels really strange. It feels very reassuring because 625 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,400 like working on two years for something on your own without 626 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,400 showing anyone, and then all of a sudden you get all these 627 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,240 people loving the game. That feels really good, 628 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,440 obviously after a point like it's almost like you stop 629 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,880 thinking about it. Like once I knew that I could 630 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,080 make like enough money to keep making games as my job, I I I 631 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,840 didn't really care if I did like twice as much or just that 632 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,800 amount of money. So yeah, it it just feels great. 633 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,480 It feels great to be able to do stretch goals to like give 634 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:22,000 backers like at the best product I can give and yeah, to to be 635 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,440 able to like subsidized shipping so you got it as as affordable 636 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:31,240 as you can and just yeah, just use the money to make a surprise 637 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,160 now the best game it can possibly be. 638 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,640 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that it's kind 639 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,400 of the fact that you like dead, keep it completely to yourself 640 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,320 is just so different than what so much of the NT scene does. 641 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,280 Like a lot of people will trip out little bits and, you know, 642 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,360 do kind of things. But you, like I said, just kind 643 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,160 of burst on the scene. Did you just kind of wait until 644 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,560 you felt like you were basically done and and have the character 645 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,080 ready to go to just kind of go everybody check this out? 646 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,280 Yeah, I'm not. I'm not like super. 647 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,840 I feel like I'm a very creative person. 648 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,960 I I like spending as much time as I can creating. 649 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,320 I I'm really like like handling social media, posting things 650 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,240 like doing marketing. So if I can like do like a big 651 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:20,080 marketing push before the project comes out and then doing 652 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,120 the project and then go back to making art, that's like the way 653 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,960 I want to do it. I I don't want to keep just 654 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,160 every day like a little bit sort of thing. 655 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,560 I. Think the, like, almost like the 656 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,080 mystique of anonymity and the quality of your art. 657 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,200 Like it did a lot of like, I because I remember on Twitter 658 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,120 you posting a couple of pages like fairly early on, like at 659 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,280 least when I first saw them and just everyone retweeting it, 660 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,240 including myself, and just being like, look at this, what is 661 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,840 this? I feel like that served you 662 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,360 really well. I think that was actually a 663 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,680 really good tactic. Or, you know, not drip feeding 664 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,360 the incomplete, but like, oh, here's the here's the finished 665 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,080 product. Yeah, I I I also feel like it's 666 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,360 something that I experience when like because first of all I'm 667 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,520 I'm I've been a fan of RPGs much longer than I'm being like a 668 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,480 designer. So when I see someone like make 669 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,880 a game that I really like and it's like, oh, this is just like 670 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,560 this this there, you got to wait an entire year till actually 671 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,640 comes out. You know, I want to like as soon 672 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,840 as this show, the first thing to be like a couple months before 673 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,120 you can get the whole thing available for people. 674 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,480 So yeah. So Speaking of that, what is, 675 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,080 what's the timeline for this? I mean it looks like with a lot 676 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,920 of the spreads and stuff you have so much done. 677 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,640 You know, you like you said you within a couple of months of 678 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,920 dropping the first spreads on Twitter, the Kickstarter is 679 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,080 already, you know, 12 days from being done. 680 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,760 When can we expect to actually have, you know, all of this in 681 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,600 our hands? Yeah, I think graphics on Leo is 682 00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,560 like 99% done. Writing to the game, I feel like 683 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,400 the last thing I got to do is like all of the stretch goals. 684 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,320 So all of the, yeah, everything that's been part of the stretch 685 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,920 goals. And then send the game to 686 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,400 editing and proofreading and that sort of thing. 687 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,120 And as soon as that is done, I want to have the digital version 688 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,680 ready for Packers to play as soon as I can. 689 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:29,720 I I do want to post like some sort of like like timetable of 690 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:32,960 like this month if the game is coming out this month I'm 691 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200 starting to bring in this month I'm going to it's going to 692 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,480 arrive to the Packers and so on. So people have like a very clear 693 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,680 idea, but yeah, the game in you can, you can probably get the 694 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,520 the game ready to play next month I would say. 695 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,640 Wow, really? OK. 696 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,760 Yeah. And the digital version, I mean 697 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,440 like the physical is going to take some time and the 698 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,640 expansions are also going to take a little bit more time. 699 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,440 But the the core book like fully feature complete. 700 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,080 That's yeah, next next month it should be all ready with all the 701 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,400 character sheets and all, all the maps and everything. 702 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,240 Can I ask who's doing your editing? 703 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,960 I've got like I I basically have like my team of friends that we 704 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,840 play T&D with. I send them around. 705 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,640 I have other people whose first language is English because it's 706 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,160 not my language. Some things that I write are a 707 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,840 little bit strange. So yeah, I just have like I 708 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,480 would say 6 summer people that I send the game to, proofread it, 709 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,040 make suggestions, yeah. Cool. 710 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,200 Yeah, very, very, very excited to get this, to get this 711 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,080 digitally especially, you know, with the Co-op options and stuff 712 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,640 like that. We don't really do. 713 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,200 We've been trying to think for a while how to do kind of solo 714 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,240 games here on the show and I don't think it would be a bad 715 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,720 idea to to try to get this one to be one of the early ones when 716 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,160 we eventually figure out how to do reviews and and plays with 717 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,560 solos on the game. But it's been, like I said it's 718 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,400 been a long time since I've been as excited for a solo game 719 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,320 outside of 12 years as you know since this one. 720 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,880 So this is again fantastic and the and the fact that you have 721 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,120 most of it done before you even get to the Kickstarter, I mean 722 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,960 you're you're making all the right moves and that's just 723 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,680 incredibly great to see. Yeah. 724 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,080 Yeah, we watch a lot of these projects and and you've taken a 725 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:28,240 lot of steps either purposely or just intuitively to be 726 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:33,400 successful. Yeah, I I just the way that I I 727 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,000 think about it is just I I try to do the things that I would 728 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,200 like if I was the backer, if I was like supporting the project, 729 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,080 just have it as you know because I've also been on the other side 730 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,280 of like, I pack a game on Kickstarter. 731 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,040 I think I gotta wait like a year before I can actually like read 732 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,920 it through and this sort of thing. 733 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,200 So yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 734 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,080 I mean I I back a couple of Kickstarters a day it feels 735 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,480 like. But yeah, having having to wait 736 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,880 so long really it does kind of take the take the wind out of 737 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,680 your sails a little bit. It's it. 738 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,440 I don't know. A lot of the things you're doing 739 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,800 to me are really reminiscent of cloud in person. 740 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,880 What and the focus I. Was thinking that I. 741 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,960 Love that game. I love that game too. 742 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:33,520 TuneIn on Sunday but the focus on making a complete game and 743 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,440 all the little details but also on like you said, like being a 744 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,280 player, what would the player want and being a backer, what 745 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,840 would the backer want Like it's really nice to see that you know 746 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,200 there's I'm not going to say that it's nice to see people 747 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,840 really focused on the fact that like the backers are back in the 748 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,240 project so they can get in play it. 749 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,000 So like having them when you're making the project in mind is is 750 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,200 really nice to see and it's really cool. 751 00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,440 Like I said that you have the player, the backer, everything 752 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,920 at the forefront of of your thoughts with all of it. 753 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,160 So yeah, again, just can't, can't wait for this project. 754 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:16,240 Super excited. Where can people find cuz I know 755 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,360 you don't do a lot of social media, but I I there is a 756 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,360 nature, it's the sub stacks. Where can people find all of 757 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,200 your stuff, all the links, so they can keep up to date with 758 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,400 everything that you're doing? Yeah, I've put all my links 759 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,760 underneath the Kickstarter so you scroll all the way down, 760 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,720 you're gonna find everything. Yeah, I have a Twitter at 761 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,400 Christon Camera. I have a sub stack also at 762 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,800 Christon Camera. I have H dot IO store that I'm 763 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,520 going to upload all of the detail contents when it releases 764 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,720 too. That's also Christon Camera. 765 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,880 And yeah, it's basically I am I'm also I also have a YouTube 766 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,280 channel that I haven't uploaded anything yet. 767 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,040 I want to also start doing tutorials for the game 768 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,480 playthroughs walkthroughs as soon as I get it closer to 769 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,920 release. Yeah, yeah. 770 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,080 Super excited for that. I wish more more people would do 771 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,520 that. Half the reason we do the show 772 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,080 and the reason we do like the APS and stuff is to show people 773 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,160 how to play. I wish more creators would like 774 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,080 show people how to play their games. 775 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,120 So it's really nice to again, just another you know, really 776 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,600 great step that you're taking to to help people go through. 777 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,440 Because if I get sit down, look at a game, and then actually 778 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,000 watch a creator tell me how to play it like that would be super 779 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,960 exciting, so. Yeah, Chris McDowell does, does 780 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,040 that with all of the, it's the odd and it's like so successful 781 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,680 and such a great way to like plug the mechanics of what 782 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,920 you're doing. Yeah, I look forward to that as 783 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,440 well. Yeah, I I I I feel like binge 784 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,440 watching all of his streams. He is like as I was making the 785 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,440 game. He's such an inspiration, such a 786 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,240 such a good designer. Yeah. 787 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,360 So, Camilla, I can't thank you enough for for coming on the 788 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,120 show. It's I I feel like I'm like 789 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,520 losing more words at the time because I'm just so amazed at 790 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,720 just like how well you've done everything, the steps you're 791 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,680 taking and just how beautiful this project is beginning to 792 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,880 end. And I just really appreciate you 793 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,280 being here and and coming on and talking to us about it. 794 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,320 Thank you. Thank you so much for letting me 795 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,480 come through and talk about the game. 796 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,640 Absolutely anytime. Hopefully again with your next 797 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,480 project. Yeah, please. 798 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,640 If you have anything, anything you want to want to talk about, 799 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:28,840 let us know. And we, we'd love to have you on 800 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,680 again and and be able to talk about it. 801 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,880 All right. So that is going to be us for 802 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,080 today. Again, thank you for being here. 803 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,800 Thank you everyone watching And this will be out. 804 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,240 It is 12 days left and we're, I don't even know what today is 805 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:48,200 April 5th. If you're doing this and it is 806 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,040 before April 18th, go back Astro Prisma, this is not one that you 807 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:58,120 are going to want to miss. So back it and that's it. 808 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,560 Yeah if it if it's I just wanted to add if it's after the end of 809 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,120 the Kickstarter I'm I I wanna leave pre-orders on backer kit 810 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,240 open for a month or so. So even if it it hasn't the 811 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,800 check on the Kickstarter because you might still be able to get 812 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,040 the game. Awesome. 813 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,200 Perfect. Yeah, Fantastic. 814 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,040 Definitely. Again, don't miss this one. 815 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,560 That's it, Rob. Have a good day. 816 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,840 Bye. Bye, bye, bye.