1 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,680 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,920 My name is Ryan and joining me today is Brian of Arcane Sword 3 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:21,800 Press. How you doing this morning, 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:22,680 Brian? Good. 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,160 How are you doing? Not too bad. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,760 We're here. We're we're, we're, we're 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,840 getting there. We're almost on time and, and, 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,600 and we're going. So here we go. 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:31,880 Almost on time. Yeah, Yeah. 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:38,200 So Brian, for those who might not know, Brian, Arcane sword 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:38,920 press. Like who? 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,360 Who the heck is Brian Larkin? What is Arcane? 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Arcane sword press? It is. 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:51,480 So I release like old school revival solo, like, like, you 15 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:55,200 know, old school D&D stuff I put out and I write for and I play. 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,360 But I'm also branching off into other games. 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,480 Notably, I'm really in a traveler right now, but I'm also 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,560 writing some stuff too. It's just like, you know, it's 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,000 my new hobby. Oh my God, we'll get you. 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Did you get those at Adapticon? I think you mailed me most of 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,160 these like. Oh shit. 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,520 Well, there you go. Thank you which one came out? 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,760 I feel like I had this one from something and when you posted 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,080 these I messaged you and was like hey I need one please send 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,760 me one. I don't remember which one it 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,840 was. Yeah, heavy metal came first, 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,640 and I asked if you put out Space Truckers for Under the Dice vest 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,000 last year. And this bad boy too. 29 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,600 Oh yeah, listen, nothing wrong with mothership, I just like 30 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,240 Traveler more. Hey. 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,160 All this stuff for all this stuff for mothership's awesome. 32 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:42,160 It's all there. Might be a few things wrong with 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,880 mothership, but that's a that's a conversation for another day. 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Listen, and I'm here for that conversation whenever you want 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,720 to have it, you know? We we have a whole episode about 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,480 it. I don't, I don't stop 37 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,720 complaining, trust me. But yeah, you do. 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,960 You do. Like there is no real in 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,120 between. You're like old school medieval 40 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,320 and far future, you know, third input, third imperium and stuff. 41 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,640 There's not like a middle ground for that, which is great. 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,120 But but yeah. And you do the convention, which 43 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,480 I'm sure we'll we'll talk about soon because that's coming up 44 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,680 and I will, we will get to it. But so, so I guess I'm sorry 45 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,120 from the beginning. What got you into gaming? 46 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,600 Like what, what, what? What was your first game? 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,960 My first game ever, ever, ever ever ever was probably when I 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:34,800 was in middle school when 3 when third edition came out, some 49 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:41,080 friends brother was looking for people to play a game, so I went 50 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,200 to play it and my only experience before that was like 51 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,240 PC games, you know? So I had like an idea what 52 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,400 fantasy was. I was playing Magic at the time, 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,960 but I always wanted to do D&D, but I just felt too stupid to 54 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,320 learn. D and DI didn't have the 55 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,880 patience to read these books, nor could I afford them. 56 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,360 Whatever. So I played D and D1 time, but 57 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,360 it was mostly like scary teenagers and then me in a room 58 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:05,920 so that I didn't play for a long time. 59 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:09,000 But I always wanted to. And I just never really had 60 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,240 friends that would show me how to play. 61 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,800 And that's like a huge learning curve. 62 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,320 Just like I need someone like show me how to play because it's 63 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,760 intimidating. Granted, like books back then 64 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:20,080 didn't tell you how to play the game. 65 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,040 There's like a weird sense of grandfather knowledge on how to 66 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,880 play DND. It's like I had zero idea. 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,240 All I know is how to play a Diablo or whatever, you know 68 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,040 what I mean? But then when I moved out to 69 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,000 this part of Western Mass, I met my friend Eon, who does you Can 70 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,360 Breathe Now games and we like work together and do stuff 71 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,600 together all the time. And I started playing at a 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,360 Pathfinder game with him. And then from there, just like I 73 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,520 just went off and through that I met Steve from Hive Scum, you 74 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,360 know, and like all this other stuff and it's just, you know, 75 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,240 slippery slope. You just kind of keep going, you 76 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,160 know, And I was always fascinated and like, I've always 77 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,280 been into like history and like the history of like, like art 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,680 history or music history. So it's like, what's the history 79 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,440 of D&D? So then I started going back and 80 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,560 checking out older versions of D&D. 81 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,160 And then I discovered the OSR scene, which is like reviving 82 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,920 the old school sensibility of play and the stuffed inspired by 83 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,320 that. So that's where I'm sitting at 84 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,279 right now. I love it over here. 85 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:24,680 Yeah, I mean the OSR so. So we're in the post OSRF if I'm 86 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,960 going to be a pedantic piece of shit and argue with people about 87 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,560 it, but the OSR scene is mini waves. 88 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,240 Do you find yourself because you know on your blog you basically 89 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,360 say Basic is the game like experts cool, Advance is cool. 90 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,840 Basic is game, which I could not agree with more. 91 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,600 I think basic is the best addition to DND. 92 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,720 So when you think of the OSR, do you specifically think of it as 93 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,000 kind of like the first wave, like revival, like retro clone 94 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,160 style O Sr. and just like straight to basic? 95 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,840 Primarily, yeah. Labyrinth Lord OSRIC. 96 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,240 I played Basic Fantasy specifically, which was on the 97 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,960 first ones, yeah, stuff like that. 98 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,920 And then, yeah, then you get the next wave of stuff that's 99 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,640 inspired by it, right? Or adjacent work. 100 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,640 And then you have things that like, don't fit in cleanly. 101 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,480 They're like 3rd edition inspired, kind of like Dungeon 102 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:13,840 Crawl Classics and stuff like that. 103 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,840 But like, you know, like I'm cool with Into the Odd. 104 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,480 I think Karen's great. I think all that shit's cool 105 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,080 too. It's inspired by the dialogue 106 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:27,360 that emerged from the initial retro clone wave on like the 107 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Google Plus chats and stuff, which I was in before they shut 108 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,120 it down. So I was able to see some of the 109 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,800 Google Plus days. I'm old enough for that. 110 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,800 But yeah, so I'm right there with you because there's still 111 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,320 like OSC is BX basically, although I have some, I have 112 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,880 some math issues because I'll I'll, I'll get into edition, 113 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,720 edition wars. But OS CS great. 114 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,880 It doesn't. It did the best job at getting 115 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,240 it into the hands of everybody and I love that so much. 116 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,280 But I like basic fantasy because it's a community game. 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,000 It's been around the longest and it's literally built by a 118 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,600 community of people, not just by one person, and then published 119 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,520 out and it's always been free and it will always be free and I 120 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,240 love that so much. It has a really cool DIY vibe to 121 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,760 it. Yeah, no, I it's interesting 122 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,640 when you look at like the history of the OSR stuff, 123 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,080 especially when, like I said, in my opinion, it died in 2019, but 124 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,080 that it ended with, OK, yeah, we get a whole thing. 125 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,840 I'm curious to know why, but keep going. 126 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:29,560 Why? Yeah, why? 127 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,960 That year. Why 2019? 128 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,160 OK, so in my opinion, the way the OSR works, and I could be 129 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,560 completely wrong, we you already said there's like 3 waves OSR. 130 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,560 There was what I consider the OSR revival, which is the retro 131 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,400 clones of the first wave. Then you got like the second 132 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,920 wave, which is the ones inspired by that. 133 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,880 And then you got the third wave, which are those inspired by 134 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,400 that, inspired by that, right. And then then you bookended the 135 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,560 end of like the actual OSR as an art movement with another retro 136 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,280 clone that basically said, all right, all other retro clones. 137 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:02,000 We have OSC now and it is the most producible, accessible, 138 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,760 like people can get their hands on it. 139 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,200 We have a ton of content for it stuff. 140 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,880 So it's booking it by these retro clones with all of the 141 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,480 kind of like artistic waves of different weird stuff like into 142 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,880 the odd and stuff like that. It mixed into that. 143 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,600 And then 2019. Why? 144 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Why did the OSR die in 2019 as a movement? 145 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,240 I will say the end of Google Plus. 146 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,400 I will say everything that happened with Lamentations, the 147 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,800 Flame Princess, which was like one of the premiere, kind of 148 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,240 like retro, like O Sr. games at the time with Zach Guest and 149 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,360 then Raggy doing everything he did to basically bury his own 150 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:39,240 grave with that game. And then OSC coming out late 151 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,720 2018, early 2019, which I said like put the stamp on kind of 152 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,880 like this is now what is going to be considered like the 153 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,760 forefront of the O Sr. And then the end of 2019 going 154 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,600 into COVID which in other movements kind of like put a 155 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,640 pause on, but when a movement kind of ended ish right before 156 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,640 having like a year or two of like nothing in my opinion, kind 157 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,920 of like set the final grave marker. 158 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,280 And then everything post COVID for me is post OSR. 159 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,000 It's things that are made in response to the movement, no 160 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,080 longer part of the movement. So now that it matters it's all 161 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,480 just pedantic bullshit anyway. But I consider everything after 162 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,200 2019 to be post OSR, NSR, whatever whatever branch broke 163 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,560 out of the OSR. All just one umbrella of the 164 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,800 post OSR. So those are that's that's my 165 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,040 opinion on why the OSR died in 2019, that everything now is 166 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,680 just response to the movement that's no longer part of the 167 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,760 actual movement. It's kind. 168 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,280 Of gotcha gotcha. Postmodernism after modernism. 169 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,880 It's interesting they say Lamentations because Limitations 170 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:42,120 was a derivative of basic fantasy and I wonder what 171 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,480 happened there. I don't know if Chris, the 172 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,440 creator of basic fantasy didn't let Raggy use basic fantasy for 173 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,280 his own shit, but the early basic, the early limitation 174 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,000 stuff was influenced and based on basic fantasy. 175 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,160 Basic fantasy also influenced some like other games like 176 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,160 sketchier ones, but it has nothing to do with the basic 177 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,840 fantasy community. Because that's the one I got 178 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,160 into. And I remember like reading 179 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,240 limitations because I guess like at the element of what you're 180 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,600 saying is like the the artsier stuff and the more edgy stuff, 181 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,280 the stuff that kind of pushed the boundary from being generic 182 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,320 fantasy into like weirdo fantasy. 183 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,640 Yeah, I can definitely see that cut off or that that line being 184 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,200 like, oh, what's push the boundaries of what you can do 185 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,880 with the retro clone? But then it's also like I've 186 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,800 always liked basic fantasy because it wasn't like trying to 187 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,560 be anything cooler than it was. You know, it wasn't like it 188 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:40,320 wasn't it was so generic that you could do whatever you want 189 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,760 with it. And then like you got the the 190 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,280 fucking edge shit they would see popping up. 191 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,000 I guess around that was inspired by limitations and even like 192 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,120 going back and looking at limitations now with the history 193 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,960 of everything and being like, man, this raggy guys, what a 194 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,000 fucking dork he is. And just like I'm sure he's 195 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,040 nice. Actually, I know he's people 196 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,120 that I know of that man said he kind of sucks. 197 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,280 But even though like when I look at his rules for stuff, it seems 198 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,640 like he made choices just to be different as opposed to like it 199 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,120 being motivated by anything else. 200 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,200 Which I think is kind of like a shallow way to construct 201 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,720 something. However, I remember people being 202 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,520 like dude fucking the summon spell. 203 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,440 First of all spell and limitations. 204 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,480 Great spell. I read it's like 3 pages long on 205 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,440 how to like summon a monster. I'm like, this is too Hardy, 206 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,920 There's too much here. And I guess like the early 207 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,680 stuff, like you're saying Google plus stage. 208 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:43,440 If you go back and you look at the Oh my God, the fight on 209 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,760 that, she's a fight on. And like the stuff that Matt 210 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,840 Finch was putting out then, which was cool. 211 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,800 It's also very wordy or the stuff that Dragon's foot put out 212 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,160 for AD and D. It's super wordy, like fucking 213 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,560 blocks of texts and some with reading comprehension skills and 214 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,840 EDD that is like, I'm not going to read any of this shit. 215 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,360 Give me the bullet point summary of stuff I look at Karen. 216 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,560 I'm like, great, this is great. I'm a dumb, dumb idiot. 217 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:10,440 I can read this in one second usable at the table and there's 218 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,040 stuff inspired by into that. Great. 219 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,040 This is great. All the NSR shit. 220 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,440 And you know what the NSR term is like kind of funny because 221 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,240 like even Yohai will say that's like I just said to like 222 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,400 differentiate it a little bit, but still in the same spirit of 223 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,120 like we're still reading the same like we're still inspired 224 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,560 by the same stuff. You know, it's just I guess it's 225 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:31,160 the post Google plus, like inspiration of like what are the 226 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,640 dialogue between fun gameplay agency and all this other stuff 227 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,280 to you that comes about in between the dice rolls? 228 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,960 How do you facilitate that and play and how do you write a game 229 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,640 that's inspired by that gameplay theory and ideas? 230 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,720 You know, so I'm I'm not entirely against with what 231 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,920 you're saying for sure, but I want to give personally, I want 232 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:59,000 to give limitations and fucking Zack ass like as much credit as. 233 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,760 So not. Saying that Lamentations was the 234 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,920 oh, I'm just saying that like the out the fallout of that kind 235 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,240 of becoming like a thing in the gaming space. 236 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,240 Oh, OK. It made a lot of people turn the 237 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,720 OSR into more of like the boogeyman that a lot of people 238 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,840 claim it to be, like a bunch of Nazis and shit, you know what I 239 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,120 mean? So it's not necessarily the 240 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,960 Lamentations was like on a pedestal and it's and it's, you 241 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,760 know, it falling was like a nail in the coffin. 242 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:32,840 It was more the fallout of because Zach was not just in for 243 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,160 those. No no, Zach has a piece of shit. 244 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,560 He can go fuck himself, but absolute. 245 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:41,360 Monster of a man. Yeah, so but the fallout of that 246 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,800 and the repercussions of that, like in the kind of like the 247 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,840 reputation ish of the OSR was a thing that that that did 248 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,880 affected I think even more than like the game itself kind of 249 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,320 going out of out of style. So that's what I meant more that 250 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,200 that's an important bit just because now, even now there's 251 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,920 people that are like, oh, oh, sorry, it's full of Nazis. 252 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,880 And I'm like, I can tell you right now, Nazis are everywhere, 253 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,640 but I've had way more problems with people that claim to be 254 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,720 liberals and leftists in the space and I've ever with right 255 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,160 wing people because all the spaces that I existed in the OSR 256 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,240 don't allow that bullshit. So we. 257 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,240 We've cleaned house a bit, which you know, you got to do. 258 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,640 You got to, you got to, you know, I hate to say it, but you 259 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,560 got to gatekeep the scene. You know, you're not going to 260 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:23,720 like, if I allow some chud into my fucking, which I would never, 261 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,720 I'm never going to let a chat in my fucking convention. 262 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,320 But if I did, and if they start saying shit, if I don't do 263 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,520 anything about it, what does that say about me? 264 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:34,840 You know what I mean? But like, yeah, for sure. 265 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,480 And I guess like, it's so funny because it's always been a small 266 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,440 minority, but then you get like these old fucking grognard heads 267 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,360 that will also like, say psycho shit on like Facebook and 268 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,080 they're like, oh, I only play old stuff because the new shit's 269 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,080 woke or whatever. And that's like a whole other 270 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,440 kind of fucking mutant. You know, they're not even a 271 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,440 part of the scene. They're they're just like inside 272 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,400 guys that like, and that are have Arrested Development since 273 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,200 they were teenagers in the 80s, you know what I mean? 274 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,360 Yeah, I'm right there with you. I guess. 275 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:11,440 Like I just think about now, because I've been following this 276 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,240 stuff since like probably 20/15/2016 was when I really was 277 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,120 looking at it. And I remember like not even 278 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,360 seeing it all that much back then at all. 279 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,840 But only like the occasional, like super occasional. 280 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,720 And it just kind of comes about a forum culture that's like, oh, 281 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,680 so and so said some bad shit, you know? 282 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,880 And I guess my issue is some people, I guess you'll still 283 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,040 have some communities within the community, so sub communities 284 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,560 that will still tolerate certain creators that have said some bad 285 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,600 shit that never really like gone back on it. 286 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,440 You know, they'll just move forward without acknowledging 287 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,680 it. And you know, granted, some of 288 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,280 these people aren't even in the United States. 289 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,360 I'm never going to see them. But it, it does kind of bum me 290 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,840 out knowing that people still promote their stuff and maybe 291 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,040 it's 'cause they don't know any better. 292 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,200 And that's totally true. Because if you're a new guy 293 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,880 getting into this stuff and you're like Oh my God, I just 294 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,320 discovered the fucking maze of the blue Medusa. 295 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,200 It's just like oh dude, like I don't know if you know about 296 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,720 this guy, but you know someones Yum. 297 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,240 Because they didn't know any better, but they found 298 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,960 inspiration from it, you know what I mean? 299 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,000 The number of times that I have shot a casual message to someone 300 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,680 who I think the last time they were like someone that wasn't 301 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,200 from America and they were like being like, I found this cool 302 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,640 game, dad it out. I shot a message like, Hey, 303 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,880 here's a couple blog posts and and maybe some articles that you 304 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,560 should read before you keep posting about this game. 305 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,480 Do what you want. I'm not telling what to do, but 306 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,160 here's some context. And they're like, oh, fuck, fuck 307 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:38,800 me. Okay. 308 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,280 But you know, I will say, I will say that you know, anybody that 309 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,120 happens to be out there that might have a big YouTube channel 310 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,640 that loves to flip through books that happens to be very much of 311 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,480 an apologist to these people are just as bad as them, in my 312 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,120 opinion. So you know it's each their own 313 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,160 and do what you want to do, but you know it is it is what it is. 314 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,600 It is a bummer because it's like in this day and age of the 315 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,520 Internet, all you have to do is a quick search. 316 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,360 You know what I mean? It's all you gotta do. 317 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,880 Yeah, it's just and you care whether that search matters or 318 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,400 not. You know, if you're like, you 319 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,920 know, I mean, you know, there's something for your political 320 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,680 it's. One search away and even like 321 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,800 when you get into arguments with people online, it's just like, 322 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,640 hey, maybe you shouldn't promote this guy because he says like, 323 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,600 like homophobic or transphobic shit. 324 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,480 They're like, Oh yeah, well, where's he said that? 325 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,880 It's like, I don't know, fucking use Google. 326 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,760 You want me to search for you, you stupid idiot? 327 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,440 That's just what I. Saw they do they do they? 328 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,040 Want me to do And then they don't respond. 329 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,960 You know what I mean? And they have to sit on it, but. 330 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,680 People need to go outside and get punched in the mouth a 331 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,280 couple more times where we we've gone too far from from 332 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,640 consequences of people's words and actions. 333 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,720 So. Yeah, and it's like the kind of 334 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,200 thing where you'll meet someone or you'll talk to someone online 335 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,200 and you're vibing with them. You're like, oh, cool, I like 336 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,560 what you're doing, this is fun. And then you find their Twitter 337 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,760 and you're go, you are absolutely not who I thought you 338 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,280 were. You're saying bad stuff, You're 339 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,280 promoting bad stuff. I can't be friends with you 340 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,600 anymore. And that's also disappointing in 341 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,760 the sense of maybe that shall me to like, cut that person out. 342 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,119 But I'm like, I don't really want this person that won't 343 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,240 acknowledge the value of my friends and family around me. 344 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,040 You know what I mean? Like, it's not even like me 345 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,800 being, you know, not agreeing with their politics. 346 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,400 I mean, when some people's existence is inherently 347 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,960 political and you're against that. 348 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:25,680 Like if you're have issues with trans people and I'm friends 349 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,680 with trans people, then I don't want to know you because you 350 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,240 don't think that they have a right to exist. 351 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,040 And that's fucked up. You know what I mean? 352 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:34,280 So get out of my fucking gaming hobby. 353 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,040 Get out of my scene. You're not wine. 354 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:40,360 Yeah, Harry Potter's nostalgia is not as important as the 355 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:44,160 people I know and care about so. 100% absolutely. 356 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,480 So, so Amy, but yeah, so that's OSR guys. 357 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,400 But yeah, it's actually really. Fun and inclusive. 358 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,880 It's just, you know, there will be vacational, but lunch that 359 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,840 shows up and you just got to be like, fuck that guy and then 360 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,240 move on. And then don't give them any 361 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,680 more attention because that's what they want. 362 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,280 That's why there's two reddits. There's OSR, then the OSR for 363 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,840 all the fucking dregs. I trust me, I stay far the fuck 364 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,880 away from Reddit. I can't and I won't and luckily 365 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,840 I was not ever pulled down that rabbit hole. 366 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,360 Especially with like the TTRVD separated that doesn't even let 367 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,000 you like talk about games you like and, and we'll just ban you 368 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,920 thinking that you're like shadow promoting and stuff. 369 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,120 But. Oh interesting, I've never 370 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:28,520 interacted with them. The OSR. 371 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,960 The regular OSR one's fine. The OSR one's the one where 372 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,920 people that got banned from that one go to. 373 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,120 Gotcha. Promoting the bad guys, you know 374 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,920 what I mean? So it's fine that there's like, 375 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,400 and it's like, not even that popular. 376 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,040 No one really goes to it because the good stuff's in the real 1 377 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,600 where that's inclusive and fun. There you go, Guy tells you 378 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,280 something. Maybe you shouldn't fucking be a 379 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,080 chud and maybe you'll have more friends. 380 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,640 I don't know what to tell. You. 381 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:52,880 Yeah. I mean, that's the bottom line 382 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,080 really is. I don't know, it's people. 383 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,960 I think just in general, especially with the advent of 384 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,200 the Internet becoming such a big part of people's, I'm so glad 385 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,200 that I grew up without the Internet. 386 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,720 It makes me so happy in my heart that I did not have social media 387 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,400 and smartphones didn't exist. Like I'm old enough that I wrote 388 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,040 my, that the Internet existed, but I still wrote my senior term 389 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,160 paper with books from library and that in retrospect, I'm so 390 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,120 happy. And I, I, I really feel bad for 391 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,080 kids that grow up like on social media with all the pressures 392 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,320 that that adds and things like that. 393 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:28,720 But it's just an interesting time where losing a lot of third 394 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,240 spaces, losing a lot of hobby spaces for people. 395 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,520 Not like a lot of people don't even know what they're missing 396 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:34,880 out on. Like I, me and my buddies 397 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,560 everyday after after school used to gather our pocket chains 398 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,520 together and drive to the mall and just hang out, you know, And 399 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,920 that doesn't, isn't really a thing anymore. 400 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,640 So a lot of people are being more online and then finding a 401 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,960 thing to be a part of and then making it their entire identity. 402 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,200 So then it becomes like not, no one will listen when you're 403 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,240 trying to explain or say or hey, this or that. 404 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,320 Because any negative thing that you say about maybe something 405 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,280 that they that they like becomes a negative thing about them. 406 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,160 So it's a lot harder to pull people out of those spaces 407 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,440 anymore, which is, which is rough, but so Basic D&D. 408 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,400 So you write a bunch of stuff for basic what? 409 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,880 What, what, what, what, what are some of the things that you have 410 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,080 put out for because I have, I have all of your traveler stuff 411 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,680 and then I have all of your OSR stuff in digital. 412 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,440 But what are some of the things that you that you made or what 413 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,000 was the first thing that you actually published for the OSR? 414 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,520 The very first thing, Oh my God, the very first thing I put out 415 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,160 was a scene called Fantastic Wizardry, which is just like my 416 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,400 own like house rules for like running a little domain and like 417 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,400 just some classes, you know, just like, it was just like a 418 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,360 fun little Zine, you know, I was kind of channelling like, you 419 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:44,760 know, because I'm from like the DIY like punk community too. 420 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,440 So I'm like, I'll just do this for games because that's like 421 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,600 what the OSR is, which is true and it still is true, which is a 422 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,560 huge appeal to me. It's like there's no barrier of 423 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,080 entry, you know, and I put that out and then it's still on drive 424 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,600 through, but it's like pay what you want. 425 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,040 But that was the catalyst for me to work on my main thing, which 426 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,840 is the means of domination, which is like my companion slash 427 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,920 master rules for BX inspired OSR games. 428 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,040 Because if you look at the Beck Me stuff, it kind of sucks. 429 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,800 I don't know if you've ever looked at companion and master 430 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,800 set rules, but they're not as cool as you want them to be, at 431 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,440 least for me. So I made my own, but I also 432 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,440 play tested them and worked on them for five years. 433 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,960 And then I also just made a general companion rule set for 434 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,800 all that, like higher level DND or just even like my own tables 435 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,720 for exploring a city or my own tables for making like a 436 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,680 signpost and like a town for like an adventure. 437 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,840 And just randomly generate like I'm really into procedural 438 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,360 stuff, even psionics. I put that back into BX because 439 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:51,440 BX doesn't really have it. So it's just like, it's 440 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,480 basically like 4 scenes compiled into one hardcover softcover 441 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,920 book. But that's the thing I'm the 442 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:03,160 most proud of, and I don't think that's the thing I'm known for 443 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,360 the most now. But I didn't make it free for a 444 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:09,880 long time because some fucking Shud game creator had started a 445 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,720 kickstart for his stupid fucking game that's known for domain 446 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,120 rules. I'm like, fuck that, I'm making 447 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,320 mine free now. And then I got like thousands of 448 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,360 downloads and promoted and stuff, which was cool because 449 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,040 why use overcomplicated loser Nazi shit when you're going to 450 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,840 have mine for free? Yeah. 451 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,120 So that's the thing I'm mostly proud of and it's the thing that 452 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:35,520 sells the least, which is fine. It's just the thing I'm the I 453 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,720 like, I'm really into and it's like what I've played with and 454 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,840 you know, but doing some dominations like my my favorite 455 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,000 thing. And it just got released in 456 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,320 Italy, so it got translated. So it has its cool, it has its 457 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,560 fans, but people know me more about my solo guide, which is 458 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,400 fine. Yeah, man, there's so much more 459 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,680 solo. Like, it's cool. 460 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,880 I do like solo stuff. I'm a solo adventure guy, not 461 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,960 really solo journaling guy. So I love the solo adventure 462 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,840 stuff and it's cool that that's been blowing up. 463 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,600 I mean, part of Post Covic and everything, but it's also just 464 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,320 like so many people are playing solo games. 465 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:12,440 Are you playing them because you like them? 466 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,840 Which is totally fine. Are you playing them because you 467 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,200 can't find other people? And then let's just get like 4 468 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,920 solo game people together and like play a game with like four 469 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:19,800 other people. You know what I mean? 470 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,760 That's where I'm always, yeah. So when you when you play, do 471 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,280 you usually find yourself in long campaigns or do you find 472 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,720 yourself in short arcs or you bouncing around systems like 473 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,320 what's your average day at the table or year at the table? 474 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,280 Oh, I've, I mean, so the stuff I play tested with domains and 475 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,440 then the later cogs and crab men, which is the follow up, 476 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,240 which is Medieval maritime adventures. 477 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,960 That is, that's a campaign that's on hiatus right now. 478 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,680 But I was actually talking to Ben who does empty Castle Press 479 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,760 and Steve from hives coming up bringing it back because they're 480 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,560 in that that group. But I started that in 2019. 481 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,000 So it's been on break for about a year and a half, but I only 482 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,040 do, I guess I only do forever games, you know, I guess when I 483 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,520 run Traveler I make it more episodic though, because I have 484 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,880 a OpenTable Traveler game, which I kind of treat is like a 485 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,360 reverse W Marches where all the players are there are in a low 486 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,160 passage. So they're in cryosleep on the 487 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,600 ship and the person that owns the ship busts them out for the 488 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,200 current problem that they have to solve. 489 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,960 And at the end of session they go back into cryo. 490 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,200 So the next time we play, if they show up again, they pull 491 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,760 themselves out cryo and they do that. 492 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,960 So it kind of creates like a funnel dynamic there. 493 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,400 But I usually do long term games. 494 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,160 Awesome. Yeah, I was. 495 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,560 I was chatting with some people at Adepticon and that came up. 496 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,560 So I'm going to ask me like what my favorite like games were. 497 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,800 And I was like, this is a, this is a hard question because I 498 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,520 play a lot of games and stuff. And we ended up like talking to 499 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,520 chatting and it came out where it's just like, oh, like it's 500 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,320 not even about the specific games we play. 501 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,600 It's about the style of game where those two people were at 502 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,240 the end of the day, they're like, we're we're campaign 503 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,920 players. We'll play one. 504 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,280 Like at the end of the day, we might test a couple games. 505 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,800 We're always going to come back to this game and run it forever. 506 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,040 And I was like, that's the opposite of me. 507 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Like I, I love games and systems and stuff like that. 508 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,960 So more than anything I've done long campaigns, but I find 509 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,760 myself now doing one shot to short arcs of a ton of different 510 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,560 games. And it ends up being just a 511 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,440 completely different mindset in the way that you play games, 512 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,000 whether you have like that game that you love, that you're 513 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,040 always going to have like a campaign in the background going 514 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,080 forever or just like down to between systems. 515 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,120 It's such a different mindset than even thinking about like 516 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:34,680 the systems themselves and what they do for you. 517 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,360 Oh. Yeah, absolutely. 518 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,600 And that's like why I started doing conventions. 519 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080 And I'm like, conventions are great because you can try out 520 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,640 these games. You know, you can do these one 521 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,600 shots for stuff you normally can't get a group for or like, 522 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,720 you know, your group. It's just like, I don't really 523 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,640 like, let's try this game. And then you're like, well, I'm 524 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,200 going to try to play at the convention so I know what to 525 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,760 expect. And when I get the book and we 526 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,440 play it, I know I don't like, I have a better idea of what I'm 527 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,040 doing, you know, But one shots have totally have their value. 528 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,000 Like the, we've got a couple of gaming clubs out here in Western 529 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,360 Mass that each time they meet, people are running different 530 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,880 games and then some people are running continuous games, you 531 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,480 know, so there's a lot of value in that. 532 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,440 And it's something where I should probably do more one 533 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,440 shots or like two shots rather, you know, just because every 534 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,840 game really does have something cool to contribute and it makes 535 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,680 your brain work in a different way that that's like really 536 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,800 satisfying. But I also like the the stories 537 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,280 you get from a long term game and the like the legacy of that 538 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,040 stuff being like, Oh my God, like yesterday or two days ago I 539 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:44,160 was at a con with with Steve and then with Tyler who Tyler 540 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,560 Tyler's all right, painting on Instagram. 541 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,000 We're just talking like war stories from DND games, you 542 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,640 know, just like, Oh my God, you'll remember this happened 543 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,680 and we just like totally like elaborated on like it was great, 544 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,840 you know, and you don't really get that with one shots and one 545 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,240 shots you you get more like meaningful encounters and 546 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,760 meaningful moments that you talk about, but like the legacy scars 547 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,360 of like a crazy thing. And then it's impact in a later 548 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,680 game can make a different kind of impact. 549 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,880 So I listen, both are great. I like both. 550 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,080 Yeah, yeah. Until up into when I started the 551 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,520 podcast. Prior to that I was running it's 552 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,200 the last five EI ever ran and halfway through I had already 553 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,920 given up on 5E but we were still running it. 554 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,440 But I ran A2 year weekly slash bi weekly. 555 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,360 Sometimes it was weekly for months at a time, sometimes it 556 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:33,880 was bi weekly but ran for two years. 557 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,960 An evil campaign where all the characters are evil. 558 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,280 Super fun. But when you run a weekly 559 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:45,120 campaign for two straight years, the burnout of of being AGM and 560 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,480 running to be in campaign after that is pretty strong. 561 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,640 And kind of in the last couple months of that, I started the 562 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,920 podcast where we were doing like a new system like every week or 563 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,640 two. And I think that transitioned 564 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,200 from being burned all the campaigns to then jumping into 565 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,400 having systems like every week and then having people on to run 566 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,280 them and stuff is what kind of transitioned me into where we're 567 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,440 at now. Like I, I, if I could find it, 568 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,360 listen, if I could find a campaign group, I would love to 569 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,520 hop back into one. But you know, right now it's 570 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,400 just so much easier to to do the one shots, especially because 571 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,560 I'm on the West Coast and there is the hobby scene on the West 572 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,280 Coast for everything in as far as tabletop goes is next to 573 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,520 nothing. I think it's because, Oh yeah, 574 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,760 like there's there's some people in Portland, LA War games is 575 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,960 dope as hell, but not much else. And you know, again, we were 576 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,320 talking to Depticon and it's like, well, I think it's because 577 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,080 people just go outside for soap for basically the entire year. 578 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,600 Yeah, like you can just go out and like if you want to climb or 579 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,680 surf or do whatever, you can pretty much do it year round out 580 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,280 here in, in, in California. But if you're in like the 581 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,600 Midwest especially, you got like 6 months where you're pretty 582 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,600 much just inside because it's very cold. 583 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,400 And I think there's a lot more inside hobby kind of spaces 584 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,960 because of that. So there is not. 585 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,600 Man, I wish I had the New England scene out here on the 586 00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,840 West Coast. That would be incredible. 587 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,120 We'd love to have you anytime you come out, you know, come 588 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,760 visit. We'll give you games, you know. 589 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,880 I will be. I will be visiting in October, 590 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,520 but I could. I lived in Pennsylvania for a 591 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,720 long time and I could never move to the East Coast again. 592 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,480 If I saw snow again, I'd be done. 593 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,240 I'm out. I can't. 594 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,800 Do it. But Speaking of conventions, you 595 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,400 you have 1:00 and you're running it and this is going to be 596 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,080 Arcane Con 2 that's happening this year 3. 597 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,560 So how did that come about? And for those that darn't aware 598 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,600 of Arcane Con, like what? What is Arcane Con? 599 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:39,480 Arcane Con is, I know it's our focus tabletop convention, but 600 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,880 we also are into any kind of tabletop hobby stuff that's 601 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,120 either old school, old school inspired or independent, you 602 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,200 know. So you got a lot of cool stuff 603 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,160 showing up. Like this year someone submitted 604 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,720 classic rune quest from like 1980, whatever. 605 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,560 So someone's running that. I got some cool 28 community 606 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,960 games being submitted and ran at it too, which is awesome, you 607 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,800 know, and I got like, you know, all kinds of shadow, dark Cairn, 608 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,160 DCC, yadda, yadda, yadda. And plus I'm like lesser, lesser 609 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,000 known gems that you don't really hear of in a convention. 610 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,560 So basically my whole idea is like games you don't play in a 611 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,200 game store. So basically I don't really 612 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,400 allow 5 E or any kind of like more mainstream games, you know, 613 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,960 not that you know, I'm not going to be OK once anymore. 614 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,360 I'm not going to you know it, but there's a big world out 615 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,240 there. And again, like going back to 616 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,560 what you said about like, you know, when shots are great or 617 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,760 doing like short term things because there's just so many 618 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,720 fucking cool games out there. I want to play, you know what I 619 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,040 mean? Like it's really cool. 620 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,040 And like this is the time to play them or time to try them 621 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,320 out or test them out or whatever, you know? 622 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,000 So I just want to create A cause. 623 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,320 Like most conventions, like if you look up a lot of stuff, 624 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,200 really the ones out around me, they're general purpose 625 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,280 conventions, which means half of it is like 5 E slash Pathfinder 626 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,920 Society and then the other half is like magic or like 627 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,160 mainstream, like bigger miniature games like battle tech 628 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,080 and like you know, like the current like Warhammer stuff, 629 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,440 you know, But there's like an old school, like old school 630 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,840 inspired ish bigger convention called total convention or total 631 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,800 con. It just had its 40th anniversary 632 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,520 this past year and it has all that shit at it. 633 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,440 But they do have like people that submit old games. 634 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,640 Like I couldn't get an Unguard game Unguard the 19741, the 1974 635 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,040 RPG that inspired Traveller couldn't get in that. 636 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,560 But then I learned to play at it, which is fucking awesome. 637 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,920 Someone was running original Space Hulk at it. 638 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,040 You have cool people just like old heads. 639 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,480 They're just like, I've had this since I was a teenager and I 640 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,440 like running this. I'm going to run it for other 641 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,800 people. I don't know, that's really 642 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,760 cool. But it's mostly a convention 643 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,640 that's like here's 5 E, you know, with some cool old, old 644 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,560 school stuff trickled in there. That's cool. 645 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,880 But I want mine all cool old stuff and all cool independent 646 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,000 stuff. So I curated, it's a curated 647 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,080 convention. I curate the vendors, I curate 648 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200 the games. I kind of set the expectations. 649 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,880 Like I don't let, I mean I had one year, I had one guy as a 650 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,440 vendor, I thought he was going to sell like miniatures and you 651 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,080 know dice trays. He end up selling like 3D 652 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,800 printed junk shit. So I had to put up things. 653 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,080 With the wiggly tail shit. One of those people. 654 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:36,440 You know the ones. So I have to kind of put a when 655 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,520 I did when I set up Arc ink on this year and being like, hey, 656 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,320 I'm not accepting applications for people that do this or AI 657 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,840 anything. I only want people that create 658 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,600 stuff selling their stuff. So most of the vendors this 659 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,080 year, which is already filled up and there's a wait list, are all 660 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,360 independent creators or publishers selling their games 661 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,560 and art and like stuff like that, which is great. 662 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,280 So I'm just trying to like kind of facilitate that for RPGs. 663 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,840 The main influence for this truly was under the dice fest. 664 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,600 So when I went to Nemo a couple of years ago, because I've 665 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,800 always me and my friends that I play with always have felt a 666 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,880 little bit isolated in gaming. Even though there's there's a 667 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,760 lot of gaming, I just never really could get into the vibe 668 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,040 of a game store, hang out or a lot of the people I met at the 669 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,240 game store. I always felt like I was kind of 670 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,640 like an outsider in the sense of like, I don't want to sound 671 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,400 mean, but just like I'm one more. 672 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,960 I'm like socially aware and I just like this these games, I 673 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,960 want to play them and interacting with like rude nerds 674 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,480 kind of turns you off from wanting to play magic with them 675 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,080 or whatever. Not to say that was everywhere, 676 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,440 but I'm just like, this is a whole other kind of social vibe. 677 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,760 That's not my thing. Like so then I went to under the 678 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,520 dice. I'm like everyone here is just 679 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,640 like me, like everyone here, this convention doesn't smell 680 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,640 bad. Like everyone here is like 681 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,400 wearing like cool band shirts and shit and have tattoos. 682 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,000 Like it's like, it looks like my friend group just expanded into 683 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,800 like hobby stuff and everyone hears an artist and make stuff 684 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,520 and share their stuff and encourage each other. 685 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,400 Like that's fucking cool man. It's like, it's like the music 686 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,760 scene but for games. And I'm like, great, I'm going 687 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,600 to do this for RPGs right off the bat. 688 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:19,040 And it's blown up. Like my first year I had 175 689 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,440 people show up for one day, which is crazy. 690 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,639 And then last year I had about 300 people show up over 2 days, 691 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,120 which was fucking nuts. And then I pat that church got 692 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,760 was packed, packed, packed. There's more people showing up 693 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,040 than there were slots at games. I was like putting together 694 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,800 games last minute for people and making sure people, all, 695 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,719 everyone was able to play a game because you're always going to 696 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,760 get no shows for people that run games too. 697 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,040 So this year I did find a bigger space so I can accommodate up to 698 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,800 like 400 people at the new space. 699 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,920 And that also allows me to have more vendors. 700 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,800 So I have a lot of cool, wonderful sponsors and vendors 701 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,920 that will be there this year, which I'm really excited about. 702 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,000 And it's still in downtown Northampton, which is like a 703 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,680 college town that's very walkable, very scenic. 704 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,640 There's plenty of cool restaurants, music stores, 705 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,040 cafes, stuff like that. Yeah, I am very bummed that I 706 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,680 can't go to our King con this year. 707 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,160 I've not got a chance to go, but it's two weeks after. 708 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,760 Onto the dice. I know it sucks, I know it and I 709 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,840 can't. I can't find it on there. 710 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,120 Twice. Like if you guys had like bumped 711 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,320 it together and just said like 6 straight days, I could have got 712 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,400 the time off. But having it two weeks apart, 713 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,320 I'm like, I can't, I can't do that. 714 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,280 I can't get the time. I know. 715 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,320 So it's the kind of thing where I try to do it at least because 716 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,440 they moved their time to February or I'm into October and 717 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,000 I start doing ARC in kind of November. 718 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,520 But I couldn't get any space and I couldn't get this new space 719 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,520 specifically anytime in November. 720 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,400 And once again to December, you get into winter, winter problems 721 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,640 and then holiday problems. So I'm like, I have to go 722 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,680 earlier, I have to go into October. 723 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,000 And so I'm like, the only time I could do it was two weeks after. 724 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,840 And I asked like, you know, Steven Gage and stuff. 725 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,240 I'm like, is it OK if I do this two weeks after you guys? 726 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,320 And they're yeah, it's two different things, Whatever, who 727 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,280 cares? It's like adjacent, but like, 728 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,360 you know, different ones, all miniature games, the ones all 729 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,080 RPGs, you know, or rather once all miniatures with RPG stuff 730 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,120 and the other ones all RPGs with miniature stuff. 731 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640 So it's fine. So, but having said that, 732 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,240 there's people that plan on going to both that live on in 733 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,160 totally different parts of the country that I'm like, you're 734 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,200 flying in twice for this. That's crazy. 735 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,280 All right. No I'm you do not know how 736 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,440 bummed I am. I'm still trying to figure it 737 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,240 out but between I did an event in January, I did Adepticon, I'm 738 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,560 doing between two Cairns, I'm doing under the dice, I'm doing 739 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,800 packs. My PTO is already shot. 740 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,760 I've been trying to make trades all year so if I can make it 741 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,120 work I will be there. But this will be the first year 742 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,280 I'm going to Utd, and unfortunately I have to, my 743 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,520 brain is in the skirmish space right now, so I have to 744 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,720 prioritize that one. But if I can randomly show up at 745 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,440 Arcane Con, yeah, we'll see. You're so obviously you're going 746 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,120 to be out there and great for all the people in New England. 747 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,600 They get to have these like 2 cons back-to-back. 748 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,160 There's like, it's blowing up, like there's a board game 749 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,920 convention, them helping out with a month later that's a 750 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,160 fundraiser for like a local public access company or a group 751 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,720 that like lost their federal funding. 752 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,240 And that's going to be all just board games, you know, But I'm 753 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,480 helping out with that. Like, you know, it's New 754 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,080 England. It's cold for most of the year. 755 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,120 You know, like, I don't know, you kind of cozy up and you read 756 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,240 something and you play something. 757 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,600 But yeah, I'll be, I'll be out between two cons as well. 758 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,760 So we'll hang out there. Awesome. 759 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,440 Yeah, I'll be there. I'm very excited for that. 760 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,520 It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be interesting. 761 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,720 And like I love that there's a West Coast con and I can get 762 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:47,160 like a, a, a $300 plane ticket instead of like an $800 plane 763 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,320 ticket across the entire country. 764 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,760 So it's gonna be it's gonna be cool. 765 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,040 And and Hunter, my Co host lives in Oregon, so it's just a drive 766 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,640 over to Portland for him. So we'll actually get to see 767 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,560 each other for the first time. And like I think I saw him once 768 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,040 in the past like 8 years and that was like past two years 769 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,440 ago. And yeah, so it'd be cool to 770 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:12,720 hang out, but but going from going to Nemo and under the dice 771 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,560 to three years into this con 400 people, that's a shit load of 772 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,960 work. Like you have a job, like you 773 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,720 have things you're doing like how does, like how is this a 774 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,160 year long thing to get this convention going at this point 775 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,080 or lane? Like how many people do you have 776 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,840 helping you actually get it up and running? 777 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,720 I do it all myself, which is psychotic. 778 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,600 Yeah. I have people that volunteer and 779 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,800 help me out like at the convention, but as far as the 780 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,240 logistics and the planning, I know if I delegated some of that 781 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:50,240 to someone that's not, that doesn't have as much thrust to 782 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,280 be on top of certain stuff, I'm going to get frustrated and 783 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,200 stressed out. And I'm using a new, I'm using 784 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,320 tabletop events this year, which is not the best website, but 785 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,200 it's all right there. So it's actually you're helping 786 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,440 out with a lot of stuff. It's just a huge learning curve. 787 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,760 Whereas before I was doing everything through Google Docs 788 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,640 and spreadsheets and organizing and that actually was a lot of 789 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,680 logistical work. So this kind of has everything 790 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,400 in one place. I'm still learning how to use 791 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,760 the website, but I think like I used to book shows and stuff. 792 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,680 So I'm just treating it the same way. 793 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,920 It's just more like, I don't know you. 794 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,600 If you book it, they will come and I'm like, it'll be fine. 795 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,600 People have a good time. I'm just doing this, you know, 796 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,000 try not to doubt yourself. But yeah, I just do it all 797 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,280 myself. Although I'm going to hire my 798 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,040 friend Allie to help me out with a lot of it because she's a 799 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,240 professional event organizer for companies. 800 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,840 She's like someone I like collaborate with for like 801 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,560 anytime we need photography or whatever she like will help me 802 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,120 and pose with me for certain stuff. 803 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,520 So I'll probably hire her to help me out with some stuff. 804 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,920 But as of right now it's just me. 805 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,120 But I start doing this about 11 months out. 806 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,680 So when I found the space and I booked it, I immediately made 807 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,840 the event page and I immediately contacted all the vendors who 808 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,760 would see who would on return and I sent out emails to people 809 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,720 who ran games to let them know. The update and then from there I 810 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,240 just started building up to see the interest and grow from 811 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:15,160 there. But yeah, I I have summers off 812 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,960 as a teacher, so that's the big time. 813 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,200 I do a lot of this work. Otherwise I do on the weekends 814 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,360 right night. But as of right now, it's OK. 815 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,080 I mean, nothing crazy or stressful has happened. 816 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,280 The only time, and weirdly enough, the only issues I really 817 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,840 have ever had was maybe last year when I booked two people 818 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,520 for the wrong game accidentally. So I kind of give them a book 819 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,240 and put them in a game that they were double booked for. 820 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,320 So that was the only time I really like messed something up 821 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,080 and I felt really bad. But otherwise it's always been a 822 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,880 little smooth sailing. But I also think it's because 823 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,360 I'm like neurotic and I'm just like always checking, checking 824 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,040 the schedule, checking to see who's running stuff. 825 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,480 To the point where people would ask me what tables games are AT 826 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,760 and I would tell them right off the bat because I just had that 827 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,080 schedule open for months in front of me, which is crazy. 828 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,120 So yeah, maybe, maybe it's not the best, you know, organize 829 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,240 something, but hey, I know, I know everything. 830 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,800 So there's a value in that. But then again, everyone who's, 831 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,280 if anyone asks a question to a volunteer, then they have to ask 832 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,400 me, you know? So that's, you know, got to work 833 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,080 on that, you know. I mean, if the worst thing 834 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,560 you've had in two years is accidentally like double booking 835 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,880 one or two people, I feel like you're doing OK as far as like 836 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,320 running convention that's had like at this point over 400 837 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,720 people, like, you know, almost 500 people across two different 838 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,440 conventions. That's, that's incredible. 839 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,720 And at some point, I mean, you're getting bigger and bigger 840 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:42,680 already. Like you're going to reach a 841 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,720 point where you're like, I must delegate because now these 842 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,160 things aren't going to get done, so. 843 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,960 Yeah, it might be, this might be the year for that because right 844 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,480 now, like when it was small, it's like, OK, that's no big 845 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,120 deal. You know, like even I knew 846 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,400 everyone's emails and they would check in. 847 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,080 So like when people say their names, I'd give them the 848 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,280 bedroom. Like you're all set, you're all 849 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,960 set, you're all set, which is kind of a cool feeling to have. 850 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,560 But the same time, as soon as I walked away from that check in 851 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,480 table, it took a lot longer for people to sign in because you 852 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,560 know. You know all the things. 853 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,760 I know all the things and that's like maybe not the best, but I 854 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,960 think this year is the year when I properly delegate and well 855 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,880 that coordinate. You're creating a single point 856 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,080 of failure is the biggest issue that I see where it's like if 857 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,000 something, if you get delayed sometime nothing gets done 858 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,480 because you're not there. That's that's the only issue. 859 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,720 But I mean, hey, it's getting done and it's it's again, I'm 860 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,480 super fucking bummed. I really, really, really wanted 861 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,880 to go last year and I think that by the time I had seen it, it 862 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,880 was already sold out. But I'm going to do everything I 863 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,080 can to get there this year. But we'll see. 864 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,680 Are you going to, so you said you're going to between two 865 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,880 cons. Are you going to Pacsun at all 866 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,640 too? Fuck. 867 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,280 OK, no. I'm not doing Pacsun Folk, I've 868 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,560 actually applied to be there but they've like I'm always on the 869 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,800 wait list to get in. I don't know why, maybe I'm 870 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,640 doing it wrong, but I feel like I should be able to get in the 871 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,680 Indies indie vendor space, but we'll see. 872 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,840 It's, it's hard to get in. I know like people that get in 873 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,480 like it's, I've been told it can take multiple years to, to 874 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,360 actually get through the list to get on because it, it's 875 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,240 basically like if you go, you automatically, I'm sure it's 876 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:13,920 like this at most cons. If you go and you've been there, 877 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,960 you automatically get next year if you do right away. 878 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,800 But if you miss that, you're back at the back of the wait 879 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,200 list. And they always are in the same 880 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,280 spot. But we'll see. 881 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,120 It's back in December this year, which I liked when it was in 882 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,480 November, it was not quite as cold. 883 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,440 I, I used to live outside of Philadelphia. 884 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,440 And again, I do not miss the weather, but we will. 885 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,000 We will grin and bear it for packs. 886 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:41,560 But here we go. But with the convention also, 887 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,120 like, are you expecting like unlimited growth? 888 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,800 Are you going to get to a point where you're like, Nope, this is 889 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,480 the biggest building that we're ever going to have. 890 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,560 We're going to cut ticket sales for all future or you. 891 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,400 Or is Arcane Khan going to be like the next Adepticon in 20 892 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,000 years? Or I hope I'm not. 893 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,800 I mean, I'm. Karen Khan or any of the other 894 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,280 cons. Yeah, I would like to keep it 895 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,320 manageable. By manageable, I mean like, I 896 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,360 don't want it to go to too big because then it might lose so 897 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,480 much charm. Because I think the idea with 898 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,440 Arcane Con right now is that still kind of small. 899 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,400 And it kind of provides a platform for independent 900 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,840 creators to share their game, share their adventures, run 901 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,200 their adventures for people, play, test their games, all this 902 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,120 other stuff. But like, once it gets really 903 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,360 big and you start getting like the big, big, big vendors and 904 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,240 the big, big people, and then it starts costing more than there's 905 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,480 like more pressure or whatever. Like the fact is, is that people 906 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,040 flew in for Arcane Con. I was just like, why? 907 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,200 That's crazy. That puts weird pressure on me. 908 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,320 But I'm glad that they did because that like they wanted to 909 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,160 come and they wanted to hang out. 910 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,080 And when I talked to those people, they had a great time. 911 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,840 And that's awesome. And it's also just, you know, 912 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,560 each year I'm trying to figure out what's the best way that I 913 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,320 can do this or what's not working so I can make it better 914 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,800 next year, you know, and that's like a very important thing. 915 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,320 But I want to make sure that still has its kind of smaller 916 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,880 intimate curated vibe as opposed to trying to keep growing and 917 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,080 starting to like make concessions to being like, well, 918 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:15,720 we'll have like a 5 E room or we'll have like a proper booster 919 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:20,760 drafts like, you know, magic thing because like I like all 920 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,600 that shit to a degree, but you can do that anywhere. 921 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,360 Like this past year we had an old school Magic tournament, 922 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,760 which was just cards from 93 and 94, which I think is really 923 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,360 cool, just like being like, yeah, just play Magic like when 924 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,280 it came out, you know. And I think this year I might 925 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,920 have a pre modern tournament, which kind of will be far more 926 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,520 appealing to a larger group. But I don't know. 927 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,040 I like having fun with old stuff, you know, and then 928 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:49,880 celebrating the new stuff that's inspired by it. 929 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,880 And that's the whole goal. And I feel like if I go too big, 930 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,880 OSR, shit's not that big. Still a niche within a niche, 931 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,240 you know, Like, I don't know, I don't want it to become just 932 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,240 another convention. I want to keep it kind of keep 933 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:05,720 it special stuff. So it probably can't be that big 934 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,800 in the long run. Yeah, curation is like the word 935 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,880 of the year, I think for for the way a lot of people should be 936 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,640 doing stuff. I was talking to CJ from Glave 937 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,200 because he does the magazine, which is which is fantastic. 938 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,680 And this what we need was more publications like that because. 939 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,880 And one of the best things about it is this, it's this curated 940 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,240 space, you know, it's, it's pulling these articles, these 941 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,640 ideas. And, you know, looking at, I 942 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,320 hate the term gatekeeping because it's got such negative 943 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,600 connotations. I prefer the term curating my 944 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,440 space. Like, you know, and, and same 945 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,520 thing with, with the convention, like being able to curate what 946 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,480 you want, not just having everything be open doors and 947 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,920 everyone can rush in. It's like, I'm not, you're not 948 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,520 necessarily gatekeeping, but like at the same time, you're 949 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,200 making sure that what the community that you want to build 950 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,400 is a community that you have and not constantly finding yourself 951 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,640 having to extract people from it by being what what I find a lot 952 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:06,120 is the status quo. People are just polite and would 953 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,920 rather deal with would rather just let some shitty person be 954 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,840 shitty than tell them that they're being shitty a lot of 955 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,880 the times or play some game that they don't want to play because 956 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,720 that's the game that they have in front of them and things like 957 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:18,760 that. So curating, curating your 958 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,560 space, curating your time, curating your your convention, 959 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,120 curating your games. Like that's, that's what I'm 960 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,600 seeing a lot more from the space, which I really like that 961 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,880 the pendulum is kind of swinging back that way a little bit more 962 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,960 of people really being a lot more discerning with again, like 963 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,520 how they spend their time and who they spend their time with. 964 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,960 And it's, it's been really awesome to see. 965 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:41,680 And I think that people like Arcane Khan, you know, hive scum 966 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:48,920 with, with Utd CTA with Glaive and a lot of these kind of it's 967 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,240 not, I'm not saying influencers because that's not what people 968 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,320 are, but like these kind of like tastemakers and the curators 969 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,960 that are in the space that are keeping that the way they want. 970 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,320 People want that. Like I, I'm dying to go to Utd, 971 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,240 I'm dying to go to Arcane con. And it's really great that 972 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,760 people like you are stepping up and creating the spaces and 973 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,760 creating those avenues for the smaller groups and the people 974 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,000 that want that is specific kind of community to be in. 975 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,920 So. So you're awesome. 976 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:14,960 It's awesome. Yeah, I. 977 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,320 Mean you're gassing me up for sure, and I appreciate you 978 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:23,920 saying all that I mean to me it's it's just like I'm just 979 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,360 creating the space that I want to game in, you know and I can 980 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,800 think that at the end of the day that's just what it is. 981 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,040 It's like I'm going to create a space that allows for a diverse 982 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,600 group of people playing a diverse group of games, you 983 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,280 know, and we're all kind of enjoying these moments together, 984 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,120 you know, And I feel like if there's like a monoculture of 985 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:47,040 gaming that's like very specific, there's just like all 986 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:54,160 current Kill Team stuff or a standard Magic or 5 E, it's all 987 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,040 kind of whatever, you know, kind of gets dull and you know, like 988 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,120 I'm from the DIY background. So I'm like, I want to create a 989 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,520 space for DIY creators to get their stuff out there and have 990 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,480 fun, you know. But I mean, like even this year 991 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,720 we got like Goodman Games as a sponsor, which is like really 992 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:13,760 crazy to me, even though, I mean, I'm pretty sure they're 993 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,280 pretty approachable and nice people, but I'm just like, whoa, 994 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,480 you know, that's like that's a big sponsor. 995 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,080 I. Mean DCC? 996 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,280 That's like getting up there. Yeah, that's crazy. 997 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,440 ETC. They reached out to me. 998 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,560 My first year I reached out to them, they didn't want to do it. 999 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,200 For my third year, they reached out to me, which is really cool. 1000 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,760 That's got to be cool to just be like, oh, now, now you notice 1001 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:32,560 me. Yeah, now. 1002 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,480 Well. I know that people that like 1003 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,520 worked with them, like I think they, they kept their eye on 1004 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,160 the, or their finger on the pulse or whatever. 1005 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,960 And like Yohai from Karen has really promoted Arcane Con, like 1006 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,600 to the point where I am so thankful for him and his support 1007 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,680 and encouragement because he used to live like in the town I 1008 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,720 run it in. So like he was like a local guy. 1009 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,160 Actually, I hung out with him over the weekend too, because 1010 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,000 he's still in Massachusetts. He just moved. 1011 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,040 But just like, yeah, he'll, he will go to Gary Con and talk 1012 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,920 about it on a panel. I'm like, all right, great. 1013 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,120 And then surely thereafter a bunch of people are applying to 1014 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,560 go and I'm like, great, that's awesome, man. 1015 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,440 So it's just like, you know, you reach out to the people you want 1016 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,200 to be there, you want to see there and run their games and 1017 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,960 then from there kind of snowballs into something else, 1018 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,040 but still curated, you know, like you also have to have a, 1019 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,480 you know, a policy, you know, a code of conduct policy being 1020 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,160 like, oh, if you're acting like it should, you're going to get 1021 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,320 kicked out by Steve or whatever. You know, listen, you got to 1022 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,920 keep the hobby somewhat, or rather curate, as you say, you 1023 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,640 got to curate. You got to curate your. 1024 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:42,480 Spaces to create the space that you want, you know. 1025 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,040 I mean, the kind of a restriction breeds creativity 1026 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,920 and, and having the people in the space that you want, I think 1027 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,880 is, is, is key to it. And we've been talking about the 1028 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,360 OSR like a ton because that's obviously what you do a lot. 1029 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,760 But I do have these two books right here that are something 1030 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,440 else that you're working on. So what what pulled you into 1031 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,520 Traveler and and then got us to the 2 heavy metal and space 1032 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,640 truckers in my hand right now? Oh, sorry, because what I really 1033 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,120 like about BX and stuff is the hex exploration. 1034 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,280 It seems like there's like no limits to what you can do. 1035 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,520 You can kind of pick a direction and go and then like 1036 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,240 procedurally see what happens and that's really exciting. 1037 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,000 The main impetus for Traveler actually was through Mothership 1038 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,600 because I had the original alpha version of Mothership edition 1039 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,680 Zero and I'm like, this is cool. It feels like, you know, this is 1040 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,440 like the closest you can get to like a maybe a neutral sci-fi 1041 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,720 game, which is what I was looking for. 1042 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:46,000 Because if fantasy game, usually sci-fi, sci-fi has the rules of 1043 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,240 like it has to be dictate, like the the rules of the sci-fi 1044 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:51,720 thing has to be dictated. Like Star Trek has a vibe. 1045 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,360 Dune has a vibe, Star Wars has a vibe. 1046 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,320 You know, like like sci-fi, such a huge spin, like a huge, huge, 1047 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,600 huge genre where it's like it's just an umbrella term for a 1048 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,080 bunch of many genres and many different vibes. 1049 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,160 So Mothership had a vibe to it that felt like you can do 1050 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,160 whatever you want with it, but in play it turns out that's not 1051 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,840 really the case. It's a little swingy and it's 1052 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,080 like it's really dependent on certain mechanics. 1053 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,760 But I know it's inspired by Traveler. 1054 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,040 So while I was waiting for my box set to get ordered, I didn't 1055 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,720 want to flip through the PD FS. I did have a Traveler book and 1056 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,920 I'm just started reading it because I was working on Cox and 1057 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,160 crabbing at the time where I have trade rules in there. 1058 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,560 If you want to start like shipping stuff around for extra 1059 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,240 golds and get a little more XP while you're traveling to 1060 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,480 another place on a boat and I'm then just start. 1061 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,320 Being like Oh my God. There's like procedural 1062 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,400 everything in here. I can make a planet that's 1063 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,920 awesome. I can make a Galaxy that's 1064 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,640 awesome. It's just like it just kept 1065 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,440 going. I'm like, oh, this game is 0 1066 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,160 limits and it's mechanically the most simple game I've looked at. 1067 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,880 Like if you're familiar with Powered by the Apocalypse, like 1068 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,720 Apocalypse World or Dungeon World, stuff like that, which is 1069 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,200 a 2D6 game that uses a bell curve chance. 1070 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:10,280 Well Traveler did it first in 1977 and the old Traveler stuff 1071 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,920 is like. So it's such an interesting 1072 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,600 look. Like it's literally like the OD 1073 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,920 and D but for like sci-fi games. Even though it's not the first 1074 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,720 sci-fi RPG, it's the one that made a neutral sci-fi RPG that 1075 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,800 never went away. It's just went through different 1076 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,800 iterations, but as core it's 2. D68. 1077 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,640 Or higher, you succeed. If you succeed by a lot, an 1078 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,960 extra thing happens. If you fail by a lot, an extra 1079 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,560 bad thing happens. So there's that curve, which is 1080 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,520 really nice. And so it helps you with that 1081 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,240 risk reward and a sense of agency when you're playing the 1082 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:47,240 game being like, oh man, is it worth overthrottling the the 1083 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,000 power system in the ship to make the weapon stronger while we're 1084 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,640 doing our space combat, which is also stressful because it's 1085 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,960 basically submarine combat. Sure. 1086 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,920 You know, Yeah, you can. It can create really fun, tense 1087 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,960 environments in it. The current version by Mongoose. 1088 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,120 Oh yeah, and now we're talking. Does it have all three books in 1089 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,520 it? Very cool. 1090 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,960 Awesome. My issue with classic Traveler, 1091 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,920 especially since I call myself a dumb, dumb idiot because it's 1092 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,000 hard for me to learn rules if they're not in my face right 1093 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,880 away, is like it doesn't explain the rules to you right away. 1094 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,560 It doesn't explain to you the mechanics right away, which I'm 1095 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,440 like, how does this game work anyways? 1096 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,720 But you know, it was running from a different time period. 1097 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,360 But once you figure it out, it's like, oh all this makes sense. 1098 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,800 The layout of traveler makes sense because they have a two 1099 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,520 page spread of character creation, two page spread of 1100 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,080 planet generation, 2 page spread. 1101 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,240 So you can lay it flat and just go from step one to Step 2, Step 1102 00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,880 3 to step four and there you go. You know the current version of 1103 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,960 my Mongoose has a free edition online which I recommend most 1104 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,360 people check out because Mongoose Traveler is very 1105 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,600 similar to classic Traveler. It just has some added elements, 1106 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,800 like it has a advantage disadvantage mechanic, which I 1107 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,000 don't like in 5 E, but I like it here because it just means you 1108 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,840 roll an extra D6 and then you keep the two highs or two 1109 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:07,120 lowest, which creates like a minor plus 1.5 or -1.5 to your 1110 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,000 die roll. So I like the math of it and I 1111 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,640 think it's very clean and elegant, but I don't like how 1112 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,040 the publisher churns out a million books every year. 1113 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,280 They're 60 bucks and the PDFs are $30.00. 1114 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,480 That fucking sucks. It makes it inaccessible, but 1115 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,280 all you need is that core book and the free starter rules is 1116 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,920 basically most of the core book without all the GM stuff. 1117 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,440 So I highly recommend that. So is that your preferred? 1118 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,520 Version is the Mongoose traveler. 1119 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:39,040 Yeah, that's the one I run. But I run classic adventures 1120 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,400 from like as written like you like. 1121 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,680 You can just use them. I just recommend that one 1122 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,720 because if you go into a game store, that's the one you'll 1123 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,360 find and if you afford online, that's the one you'll get and 1124 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,040 print. Granted you can do print on 1125 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,680 demand copies of classic traveller. 1126 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,640 I just think for if you're curious about the game, that one 1127 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,440 explains the game to you the best and that core book is very 1128 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,040 good. It's a very well done core book. 1129 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,640 You don't need any of the other ones though. 1130 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,520 All the other ones are just fluff you don't need. 1131 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,520 And I, I supplement my my game with the classic books or I'll 1132 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,840 raise something like Heavy Metal because I'm like, I want Mex in 1133 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,080 my game. Here we go. 1134 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,600 You know, that's awesome. Yeah. 1135 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,080 No. I'm a 77 truther. 1136 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:24,720 I like the yeah versus like the 81 which they only tweeted a 1137 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,400 couple things in 81, but like I'll still stick with 77. 1138 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,480 It's funny because I'm an 81 guy if. 1139 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:30,760 We're going to talk about additions. 1140 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,440 I love that starter set, so I love the booklets. 1141 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,880 The thing about? I agree with you. 1142 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,400 I think in a lot of the. Games that I especially review 1143 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,840 on the show and stuff, I think accessibility and readability 1144 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,560 and like having a book that like you pick up, understand and then 1145 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,920 play will actually get the game played right. 1146 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,280 It's one of the things we talk about most in our reviews is 1147 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,520 usability of the game. Like if if you make this 1148 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,200 difficult to parse, there are a million other games and if 1149 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,040 someone puts it down, they might not ever pick it back up. 1150 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,320 But for a game for me, like Traveler that I found so far 1151 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,520 after the fact that already existed and is already its own 1152 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,640 thing. I like how it's a little bit 1153 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,320 hard to like get into it. You know what I mean? 1154 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,680 Like that's what really drew me to it in part. 1155 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,480 Also, 2D6 make success is my favorite mechanic. 1156 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,040 I do not like Apocalypse World. I do not like PBTAI do not like 1157 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,640 moves. But I think the two D6 for that 1158 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,880 exact reason. Yeah, I just think that initial. 1159 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,280 Mechanic. I'm like, Traveler did it first 1160 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,400 and you don't even need the freaking moves to do it. 1161 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,080 That's what I'm saying. So you got it, you know. 1162 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,240 So like instead. Of Dungeon World World. 1163 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,080 Of dungeons, which I know John Harper, it is the first Pbta 1164 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,640 John Harper calls it Pbta. I don't consider Pbta just like 1165 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,080 I don't consider fist Pbta. If there's no moves, it's just 1166 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,880 286 make success to me is the perfect is the perfect 1167 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,320 resolution mechanic. It's it is, yet it is a built in 1168 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,280 yes and or yes, but, and I love that role-playing game. 1169 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,800 So, so that also like when I found out Traveller did that and 1170 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,320 everything, same as you, I kind of followed that path down into 1171 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,400 Traveller and then it's just you can, it's like you can do a 1172 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,080 whole solo game. It's like getting it set up, 1173 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,960 which is always going to be fun. And the number of it's so 1174 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,480 awesome. The number of games you can 1175 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,800 like, yeah, I talk. I corner people. 1176 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,280 I'm like, you don't. You don't get it, man. 1177 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,360 Like character creation's a game. 1178 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,920 And the number of games that are inspired. 1179 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,920 By Traveller's character creation are endless. 1180 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,560 Fucking endless like so it's it, it has a lasting impact that I 1181 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,080 think a lot of people that have been impacted by it don't get. 1182 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,200 And I'm really I'm I do. Not want to talk about this. 1183 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,160 Giant thing that's currently going on with Traveller right 1184 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,640 now because I'm just going to get mad, but I'm hoping. 1185 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,720 Who are you talking about? I have a lot of issues that I've 1186 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,080 done. My own research and it's kind of 1187 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,720 sketchy, but anyways, that's nothing to do with Mark Miller, 1188 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:44,960 it has nothing to do with Mongoose. 1189 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,320 It's its own thing, but. I'm hoping. 1190 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,800 That that funnels a lot of people. 1191 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,440 Into classic traveler, even if it's a Mongoose one, because I 1192 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,400 I've never actually read any of the Mongoose traveler stuff at 1193 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,560 all. Like I was just like, Nope, I'm 1194 00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,520 going to go with classic. I got, I got 77, I got 81. 1195 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,480 I got the traveler books. I got like a lot of the big, the 1196 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:11,040 big beefy books like these guys, the collected traveler stuff for 1197 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,320 for all of those with like the adventures and stuff, yeah. 1198 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,600 And then that's. As far as I got, so I think the 1199 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,520 latest traveler stuff I played is like the 81 stuff cool. 1200 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,080 And it's just it's so good. It's I wish people played more 1201 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,440 old games like they're they are hard, They're hard to parse, 1202 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,880 like, you know, but the point thing with the the classic 1203 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,880 traveler. So I mean, there is a difference 1204 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:37,120 between terminology between 77 and 8177 Is more terse, 1205 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:41,920 obviously, but also character creation is more deadly in that 1206 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,040 one because they were, they didn't realize like the 1207 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,040 percentage chance of you dying was like 15%. 1208 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,360 So by I think 81, it's like 5% or it's like 1.5% chance of 1209 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,720 dying in character creation. But I mean, that's like what's 1210 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,440 known for, right? Like I talked to all the old 1211 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,080 headset conventions. They're like, oh, Traveler, I 1212 00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,360 was pointing that before you're born I died in character 1213 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,760 creation. I'm like, yeah, what else did 1214 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,160 you do? They're like, I don't remember. 1215 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,760 I'm like, well that sucks because the game fucking rules 1216 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,280 and if that's the only thing you took away from it, unfortunately 1217 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,440 that's what people know it for it. 1218 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,400 But like Mama's traveller does a good job at you can do that. 1219 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,640 But as written, you get injuries and then from there you incur 1220 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,800 medical debt. So you'll your injury instead of 1221 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,880 you dying is you like take D3 to your strength and then you have 1222 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,280 medical debt to pay off because you got injured. 1223 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,160 So it kind of adds to the debt level. 1224 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,040 It's kind of fun. I like it a lot. 1225 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,560 But you can also shoot. Oh, you fail, you die. 1226 01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,160 I don't know. Yeah, that's awesome. 1227 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,240 But you. Also didn't did explain why I do 1228 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,920 like 77. I like I like the fat chance of 1229 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,440 dying every time like it's just fun. 1230 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,120 I don't know it's it's cool. It's a lot fun. 1231 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,360 So so you've done heavy metal, which you already said this is 1232 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,360 like putting mex into the game and then you also put out space 1233 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,720 truckers. So why so? 1234 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,280 Cuz mechs are awesome. That's the answer to this one. 1235 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,080 So what what inspired you to do spacewreckers? 1236 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,480 And for those that obviously we said heavy Metalist mech, what 1237 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,800 is spacewreckers and and what does that put into your travel 1238 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,400 games? All right, so and Traveler. 1239 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,960 As you know, but for those that don't know is often times you're 1240 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,600 hauling shit across space to make ends meet to pay off your 1241 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,880 the mortgage on your ship. Great gameplay mechanic right 1242 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,840 there. You have to make ends meet 1243 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,520 traveling through space? Great, but it's always. 1244 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:20,760 Like temporary and you're always trying to. 1245 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,680 Having to broker to find a new person on a planet to buy stuff 1246 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,200 or sell stuff to you so you can ship it somewhere else and hope 1247 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,680 that someone else over there is selling it. 1248 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,760 Space Truckers just adds temporary contracts for you to 1249 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,720 work for a company to make shipments for them on their 1250 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,840 behalf. So you're just trucking, so you 1251 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,040 don't even have to do the adventures, but adventures come 1252 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,280 about because you're just doing the truck and you're hauling a 1253 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,720 ton of stuff and you're going to get attacked for it. 1254 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,760 Or you show up to a planet that's an amber zone, which is 1255 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,960 like a restricted area and all kinds of complications that come 1256 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,960 from that. So I just made it so if you want 1257 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,800 to just focus on trucking through space and that really, 1258 01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,120 you know, doing a weird patron, odd jobs, which you can still do 1259 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,680 on the side. I talked about that you don't 1260 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,840 want to get caught. You can join the trucker, the 1261 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,480 Teamster Union and like get benefits from that, which I kind 1262 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,520 of treat like the Traveler Aid Society, which is another kind 1263 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,280 of perk of being a character and traveler, if you get that. 1264 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,400 So I basically it came about because I'm writing and have 1265 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,120 mostly written and I'm currently doing layout for a solo traveler 1266 01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:25,240 guide that's inspired by my OSR solo guide, but for Traveler, 1267 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,680 which I'm also sharing as like a rule cyclopedia of just like 1268 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,960 here's the reference for rolling weather on the planet. 1269 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,680 Here's a reference. Like it's instead of you having 1270 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,560 to parse through all these fucking paragraphs, it's just 1271 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,360 here's the mechanic and here's a brief description. 1272 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,840 Boom. It's right there on A2 page 1273 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,560 spread with everything related to it. 1274 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,760 So it's easy to use, easy to use at the table to referee and easy 1275 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,200 to use in a solo like setting because Traveler had solar rules 1276 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,920 built into it from the very beginning, which is fucking so 1277 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,200 cool. What a pioneer game. 1278 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,800 Wow, so Space Truckers came about because I started running 1279 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,320 like a like a starter campaign for it. 1280 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,880 So if you look through and flip through, you can see that does 1281 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,680 have that solo DNA to it. But I just kind of put that out 1282 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,960 because I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to put this out 1283 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,520 on its own thing. I really elaborated on it 1284 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,440 because I was going to have my solo guide ready for under the 1285 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,000 dice last spring. So I'm like, I'll use this, you 1286 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,440 know, But yeah, so it just came about that way. 1287 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,600 But like I've used it a bunch and like my own games being 1288 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,520 like, oh, here's the current contract, here's the current 1289 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,560 employer you're dealing with. They're sending you to a weird 1290 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,400 remote location. You don't even know that's what 1291 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,200 those are, just coordinates. That's not going to plan it. 1292 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,440 Let's see what happens. You're expecting to be paid on 1293 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:41,160 arrival because you know, your trucker, you know, so it's 1294 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,640 temporary employment as opposed to you're always looking for 1295 01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,920 employment. That's awesome. 1296 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,360 And especially. For people that might. 1297 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,120 Like again, I like the minutiae and everything like that for 1298 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,440 people that might not be like, yes, I like that, but maybe not 1299 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,600 as deep as you want to go. Like that's, it's incredible to 1300 01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,520 be able to have that where it's just like you can peel back, 1301 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,760 maybe just like a layer and make it just a little bit more 1302 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,720 approachable, which is fantastic, Which seems to be a 1303 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,800 lot with the stuff that you do is just like making this cool 1304 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,480 stuff more approachable in a modern time and for like the 1305 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,280 modern audience. Then like the parsing stuff and 1306 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,080 like if anyone's ever read OD and D, it's that kind of stuff. 1307 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,360 We're just like randomly here's a paragraph that gives you a 1308 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,120 rule like 80 pages after, well, like 10 pages after, like you 1309 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,320 really needed it. So when? 1310 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,600 So when do you think the solo rules are going to drop for 1311 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:25,920 Traveller? Oh boy. 1312 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,720 I gotta do layout. Layout's the thing I hate doing 1313 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,760 the most, you know? It takes so much time and you 1314 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,920 have to make it make sense because layout is how you 1315 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,800 inform, how you deliver information. 1316 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,440 So I really think about layout a lot, especially for this kind of 1317 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,960 thing because it has to be visual right in front of you in 1318 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,560 a two page spread. You have to be able to see it. 1319 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,760 So it's going to be hard to do. So I'm currently doing that, 1320 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,040 although I'm taking my time on it, which is stupid of me. 1321 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,760 And This is why I took cogs and Crab in forever to come out. 1322 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,080 It was written, it was play test. 1323 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,000 I just took. I dragged my feet doing layout, 1324 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,560 which is what I'm doing right now. 1325 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,000 So the play test should be I'm going to give myself the heart 1326 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,240 out. It's going to be out by June 1327 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,400 because I want to have print. Copies to hand out at. 1328 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,920 Between two cons for play testers and then SO won't be 1329 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:19,480 available for for purchase or in its final form anytime soon, but 1330 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,920 it will be available for those interested to try it out and 1331 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,440 check it out in a month about if. 1332 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,280 You so I'll see that between yes, that's. 1333 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,320 I if you could just put one aside. 1334 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,680 Like I would, I would love that. That would be incredible. 1335 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,040 So are you, are you, you know, maybe I'll pin you down a little 1336 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,400 bit. Are you thinking maybe like done 1337 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,720 and printed for for Arcane Khan or is that Yeah, yeah. 1338 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,680 So I have. Two goals for under the day 1339 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,080 specifically. I have to have that out for it. 1340 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,760 Obviously I need to have that released out of my brain. 1341 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:58,640 But then Steve also challenged me to finish my Year 0 engine 1342 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,320 version of Vampire the Masquerade I Call by Night, 1343 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,560 which I've already written and I play tested with him and some 1344 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,680 other people and I need to do more refining. 1345 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,280 But that is that's written and ready to go too. 1346 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,440 But he's like, you need to have that out by under the dice. 1347 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,520 And I'm like, OK, so that's also something that's happening. 1348 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,800 Year 0 engine Vampire. The Masquerade. 1349 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:24,720 Yeah, Interesting. Yeah, I like the year 0 engine. 1350 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,880 I've become less of a fan of Free League over time. 1351 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,240 I wish they would maybe do a couple less IPS, as in like 1352 01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:35,280 their entire catalog now. But the year 0 engine is like an 1353 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,520 incredibly like good hackable system that I feel like is not 1354 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,240 hacked as much as it could be for cool games. 1355 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,320 They just keep hacking their own system over and over again. 1356 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,080 Yeah, but that's really interesting. 1357 01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,080 I'm very curious to see Vampire the map because I was not. 1358 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,160 I missed all the scenes and I was not allowed to play D&D as a 1359 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,160 kid. Like when I asked for a deck of 1360 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,760 tarot cards because I thought the art was cool. 1361 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,800 Like my parents made me talk to our preacher and shit. 1362 01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,400 So like, I did not. I envy. 1363 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,680 The kids. That had like, you know, a 1364 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,160 Warhammer store in town and like a vampire LARP and like all this 1365 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,920 other stuff. But Vampire Masquerade's 1366 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,000 interesting and anything that's put out for vampire that's not 1367 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:20,120 from White Wolf is always cool. So that's I'm really curious. 1368 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:21,840 It's funny. I've like. 1369 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,600 I've only played Vampire once and I can see what's cool about 1370 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,800 it, but like I look at the catalog, I'm like, I'm not going 1371 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,080 to read any of this shit. I don't even know how to play 1372 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,080 this game. If I'm looking at the core book, 1373 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,120 even the newest rule book, you can't even make a character with 1374 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,280 it. It's but it's fucking this 1375 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,960 thick. You have to use the website. 1376 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,040 It's just like, this is all like there's just way. 1377 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,840 Like people love White Wolf and they love vampire, especially 1378 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:50,440 from the 90s, but like this? Like people love the. 1379 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,280 Lord, people of the world, I'm just trying to make a cool 1380 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:58,200 modern vampire game that's like inspired by it, but without the 1381 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,640 baggage of it and without the baggage of like it's, you know, 1382 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,520 maybe convoluted mechanics to a degree. 1383 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,920 Even though they're technically simple, they cannot be after a 1384 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,320 while. Yeah, your zero is perfect for 1385 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,320 it. You do the D6 version as opposed 1386 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,120 to rolling 2 D 10's and adding dots or whatever. 1387 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,439 The D6 is the perfect dice, the best. 1388 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:22,359 DTRPG Dice. And again, once again, you like 1389 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,880 making a thing that's really cool, accessible to people, not 1390 01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,439 having to do all that parsing stuff, which is really 1391 01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,399 incredible. And you said that's going to be 1392 01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:32,800 down for Utd as well. I mean gone to my head. 1393 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:37,600 Yes, I wanted to be done. I mean, I guess you get the. 1394 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,319 I guess you get the. Summer off, I mean, I guess. 1395 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:41,960 You get the summer off and I got to use my time wisely, right? 1396 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:47,279 See I I can't do. My ADHD if I get out of any type 1397 01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,520 of routine now I get nothing done and if I have too much time 1398 01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,960 off it ceases to exist. So my work schedule is I 1399 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,840 basically work like 2 on two off with a little bit of a variation 1400 01:08:56,359 --> 01:09:00,160 if I ever have a couple extra days and I get like 4 off time. 1401 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,160 Especially because I'm night and all of my windows are blacked 1402 01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,040 out so time just doesn't exist for like 3 days. 1403 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,600 And then on that last day I'm like wow I got four days worth 1404 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,279 of stuff I should have got done. If I had a summer off my life 1405 01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,760 would like I would have nothing would get done because seeing 1406 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,439 three months away would be such a like infinite amount of time 1407 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,040 that I would just be paralyzed. So let me tell you something. 1408 01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,920 That's what happens to me. Which is why this shit takes 1409 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,640 forever to come out because I have all summer. 1410 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,399 I'm like, and then it's like, yeah, I have all summer and then 1411 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,520 end of August where I was trying to like, oh fuck, I got to rush 1412 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,279 this out now. There you go. 1413 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,960 Hey, if you pile. Enough stuff on you'll yeah, you 1414 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:41,760 can trigger you can trigger that like the panic to to get things 1415 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:42,760 done. So if you're like I got two 1416 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,479 books and the convention and all of this, maybe it'll maybe it'll 1417 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,479 pick it up a little bit. That's The thing is I'm stacking 1418 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:48,680 up my fucking. Load. 1419 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,439 So I got to like, actually do something. 1420 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,480 But it's hard too because it's like, yeah, I teach all year, 1421 01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:58,520 middle school kids. So like, when I got time off, 1422 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,520 I'm like, I'm not doing anything, you know? 1423 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,840 But yeah, no, I am. I'm very excited. 1424 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,520 I'm very excited for between two cons too. 1425 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,720 It's going to be interesting to see what Yohai does on the West 1426 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,520 Coast of Portland. That'll be, that'll be 1427 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,360 interesting. They asked us if we wanted to do 1428 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,120 a live episode at the con and I'm like, I guess we do our 1429 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,480 episodes live already, but I don't know, in front of people. 1430 01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:24,560 So I guess we'll see what happens. 1431 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,160 Well, it's fine because he was telling me because they did one. 1432 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,760 At Gary Con. So when I was talking to Yohai, 1433 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,560 he's like, oh, it was a mess. It was like a nightmare to do. 1434 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,600 Or he said it was like, it's harder to do because you have to 1435 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,760 do it live and you have to maintain the pace. 1436 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:37,840 You got to do all this other stuff. 1437 01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,920 So it seems like it's, it's a lot more work to do a live 1438 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,960 recording, especially when there's an audience, because 1439 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,000 then you're also performing, you know what I mean? 1440 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,720 That was the vibe I got. But I you should do it. 1441 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,240 We'll see. We a very. 1442 01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,080 Very very this is what I said to Brad too. 1443 01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,720 I was like this is a very, very soft. 1444 01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,960 Maybe we'll see what happens, but very excited for that and 1445 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,720 for all the stuff that's coming up, especially our king Khan 1446 01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,560 again. Now now now I have to try to 1447 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,080 figure out how to get there twice in two weeks. 1448 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,920 We'll figure it out pressure. There's always next year. 1449 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:08,720 You know what I mean? I'm. 1450 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,120 Going to try not to and they overlap with under the dice as 1451 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,080 much. So even if it was just like a 1452 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,240 month, like even. But I I tried to do a month out 1453 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,520 but. Time works the way time works. 1454 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,120 Yeah, and. We'll, we'll, we'll figure it 1455 01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,240 out. So that's. 1456 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,600 What's on your docket? Right. 1457 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,840 Now is you have the Traveler solo thing coming out, you got 1458 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:34,040 Arcane con on the horizon. You have again 0 engine Vampire 1459 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,840 the Masquerade which I'm very excited to. 1460 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:40,440 I'm calling it by night as. Like a night, because like they 1461 01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:42,920 put out books there, like London by night, New York by night. 1462 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:44,920 It's like by night. Whatever. 1463 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,080 That's the working title. Yeah, like it's working title. 1464 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,200 I mean it says exactly what it. Is because by night, I mean 1465 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:51,960 because I think there's like a isn't there like a vampire by 1466 01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,240 night, like AP2 that some some people do or whatever, but I 1467 01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,400 think by night sounds fucking awesome. 1468 01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,040 I mean, I I love empire shit. I mean, you can't not, you know, 1469 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,080 I'm the right. I'm the kind of night. 1470 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:07,000 Shift edgelord. So it is what it is, but yeah, 1471 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,120 very excited to. See all the stuff? 1472 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:12,600 Coming out so for. All of these things that you're. 1473 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,600 Making for the things that you have already available, like 1474 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,480 where can people find the all of the OSR stuff you put out? 1475 01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:21,320 Where can people find the traveler stuff you can can put 1476 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:22,080 out? Where can people find 1477 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,680 information on the convention? Like where? 1478 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,400 Where are you that people can actually get information on all 1479 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,760 these things? All my stuff? 1480 01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,600 I have a website. Called that you can find at 1481 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:35,040 arcanesortpress.com. All my stuff is available on 1482 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:39,440 drive through RPG and I also provide print on demand options 1483 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:44,560 on Amazon if you want to support Jeff, which you don't have to go 1484 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,960 through drive through. And then if I'm also on 1485 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,240 Instagram with arcade or press as well. 1486 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,240 That's probably the best way to find me. 1487 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:59,040 And then Arcane CON is listed on tabletop events, so you can sign 1488 01:12:59,040 --> 01:12:59,960 up. Follow that. 1489 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:05,040 Tickets go live on May 31st, but if you submit a game before 1490 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,200 then, you'll get $10 off per game. 1491 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:12,200 You submit up to three games and tickets are $35 online. 1492 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,320 So if you submit three games, you're paying 5 bucks plus fees. 1493 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,880 I'm just trying to get people in the door. 1494 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,160 What, what? What's the day? 1495 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,480 For the tickets. Again, May 31st SO. 1496 01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:25,200 Once you get your ticket, you can sign up for games right 1497 01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,280 away, but Even so, I make all the games currently available 1498 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,360 public so people can see what's available on which days. 1499 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,640 You're also doing a couple. Like leaving a seat or two for 1500 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,080 in person sign ups this year too right So. 1501 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,280 I got a lot of positive feedback for that. 1502 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,400 Some people don't like it at all. 1503 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,480 Like I got two people that are just like, that's not fair, 1504 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:46,120 That's not cool. I'm like, well, I don't have to 1505 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,080 tell you, man, I'd rather there because the year before this is 1506 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,360 a learning thing where people sign up ahead of time. 1507 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,880 They show up and then like the table would have two players at 1508 01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,240 it, even though they're supposed to have 5 because people there's 1509 01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,000 no shows, you know. So to prevent that, I'm like, 1510 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,040 well, I'm going to pull one or two seats from each group. 1511 01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:05,600 And then because there's always people asking if there's a game 1512 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,400 available that session. So I had a sign up thing and 1513 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,080 then all those tables filled up. There's not an empty seat at 1514 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,720 that game because there's people at the convention looking for a 1515 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:18,600 game when there's free time and like some guns do that now like 1516 01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:25,040 GAIL Con in Dublin only allows for in person sign up an hour 1517 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,520 before the game so they know the people they're going to play are 1518 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,880 actually there on site. But then that also creates. 1519 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,000 The thing of people making a huge. 1520 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,240 Fucking line so they can all get in Yohai's game, you know what I 1521 01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,680 mean? Yeah, to the point where he had 1522 01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:38,240 to. Make a speech. 1523 01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,320 Be like hey. Just let everyone know my game 1524 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,920 is not open. Stop asking me. 1525 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,720 I assume you're not talking about Dublin, Ireland? 1526 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,000 With this GAIL Con or is that No, Yeah, Dublin, Ireland. 1527 01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,120 Yeah, I haven't. Been but my friend Jason, who 1528 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:56,360 does Solarian games, who puts out top secret, he said he 1529 01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,120 wanted he was like, oh, this is one of the best cons I've ever 1530 01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,080 been to. It was awesome. 1531 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,480 Oh, I should also mention I'm in this thing called the analog 1532 01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:07,680 union that he started along with some of the sewer rats guys like 1533 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,120 you know, Joey Royal's in there, Brian Sutter, John Hambone, 1534 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,920 McGuire, a bunch of great, great people. 1535 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:16,760 What's that? And wife is in there now too, 1536 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:17,680 right? Still fleets in there. 1537 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,880 Yeah, Yeah. It's great, great community. 1538 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,320 All these guys are awesome, you know? 1539 01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,040 So every week there's a newsletter that we're a part of. 1540 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:28,400 People put their stuff that they're working on, or they 1541 01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:32,280 write little articles like I do old magazine reviews currently. 1542 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,080 And Joey's been doing like articles on game stuff or what 1543 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,440 he's been working or what inspires them. 1544 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,520 And then some people do their Kickstarters and stuff. 1545 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,640 So each week it's like a fun little thing. 1546 01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,680 On Tuesday at lunchtime, you get an e-mail with like some updates 1547 01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,640 in the hobby scene from a variety of different creators. 1548 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,280 So I haven't contributed this week or the past week because I 1549 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,440 just got some magazines in the mail. 1550 01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:55,480 I got a review, but it's forthcoming. 1551 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,800 I'm working on, I'm working through my list, but that's been 1552 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,160 really fun. I saw the one that dropped this 1553 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,720 morning Joey is talking about. Deathblow, which is a dope game. 1554 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,760 I got it back there. It's definitely on the Lister of 1555 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:08,400 you. So. 1556 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,240 So that's cool. Yeah, definitely subscribe to 1557 01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:11,200 that. It's cool little newsletter. 1558 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,120 You get a lot of interesting things popping out, especially 1559 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:14,680 from the sewer rats. Anything that Joey does, I'm 1560 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,880 like, I'll fucking, I don't care what it is, spin a box and send 1561 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,040 it to me. Like I'll play with it. 1562 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,880 Like I don't care. Like, he's such a cool dude. 1563 01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,080 He sent me a little baggy of hair the other week. 1564 01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,160 It's. Supposed to be a monster hair. 1565 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,880 I am unsurprised and jealous at the same. 1566 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,760 Time yeah he's awesome got chatting with him I got I had 1567 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,280 him on the show and then got to meet him at pax in person and 1568 01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,520 the the best thing I can say about him is it's not an act 1569 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,000 that is him as a person and it's Oh yeah 100% him and his family 1570 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,040 is awesome his. Son Elvis is awesome, like, and 1571 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,520 his and his son's friend Elvis or Paul, who goes by Paul 1572 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,320 Cthulhu. Oh my God, these kids are 1573 01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,560 awesome. I don't know what's going on 1574 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,120 down there, but well, these love, love Joey and everything 1575 01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,440 he brings about. Like he'll be under the dice for 1576 01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,480 sure. Like last year we were tabled 1577 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:01,960 side by side. It was like me, him and like 1578 01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,320 Tiger Wizards. So we had some cool exalted 1579 01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,080 stuff there too. And we were just like, it was 1580 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,880 just hard hanging for many. Days in a row along. 1581 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,480 With hanging out with all the people that come for under the 1582 01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,040 dice. Best time ever. 1583 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,000 I cannot express how important and great that convention is. 1584 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,600 Yeah, this is going to be my first year for. 1585 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,680 Another dice. I'm very so I can't wait. 1586 01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,360 I can't wait. I mean a lot of the same people 1587 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,960 from Adepticon and then, you know, some of them are brain 1588 01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,400 dead fast, which is cool too. Oh, interesting. 1589 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:31,920 Yeah. How was that? 1590 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,600 It was. It was cool. 1591 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,120 It was very. LA it was. 1592 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,920 I've lived in LA and I'm just unsurprised by like kind of the 1593 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,080 way a lot of this stuff went down. 1594 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,160 But it was cool and like it was fun. 1595 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,640 Like at the end of the day, like it was super fun. 1596 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,760 It was also cool to see some people from Adapticon like 2 1597 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,400 weeks later. So you almost got like, almost 1598 01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,800 like a, it helped the withdrawal a little bit to be able to like 1599 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,160 a week and a half later and just be like, oh hey again, I made 1600 01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:56,800 some new friends and stuff. Yeah. 1601 01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,360 But again, bought too much stuff, randomly saw like Elijah 1602 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,720 Wood, put on a DJ set, which was actually fucking fire. 1603 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,000 That's really funny. So yeah, it was cool. 1604 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:06,720 It's. Interesting. 1605 01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,640 I, you know, I think I have opinions, I think their heart's 1606 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:16,080 in the right place. I just hope that you know best 1607 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,680 intentions cause. Harm every day, so we'll see. 1608 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,240 How things work out and and go from there. 1609 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,240 But it was neat. I bought some brain dead shit 1610 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,400 that's way too fucking expensive because why are you spending 60 1611 01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,040 bucks on a T-shirt? But I got it. 1612 01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,880 It's actually this right here but but it's cool so I'm 1613 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,320 excited. I'm trying to do a ton of events 1614 01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,160 this year, like I said, to hit like 6-7 things and and I'll see 1615 01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,720 you at I'll see you in June for that. 1616 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,040 Yeah, I'll see I'll see you in Portland. 1617 01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:41,440 Never been my first time going to a. 1618 01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:43,960 Convention that I can't drive to, so it'll be exciting. 1619 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,360 I'm gonna mail all my books to a stranger. 1620 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,440 We'll see what happens. Yeah, I have. 1621 01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:53,200 I been to Portland. I feel like I've either been to 1622 01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:54,760 Portland OR Seattle. I know I've been to Seattle. 1623 01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,280 I don't know if I've been to Portland, but I guess we'll see. 1624 01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:58,800 I'm getting up there a couple days early to hang out with with 1625 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,600 with honor. So we'll see. 1626 01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,480 We'll see how it goes. But listen, Brian, it's been an 1627 01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:04,600 absolute pleasure to talk to you. 1628 01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,200 Please come on the show sometime again in the future. 1629 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,880 If you got anything dropping, I'd love to have you back on. 1630 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,120 If you ever want to run some Traveler, we'd love to have you. 1631 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,280 But yeah, I might. I might do a sneaky Traveler 1632 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,000 game out under the. Dice I was, I almost did it last 1633 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,960 year, but I get overwhelmed at conventions where I'm just like, 1634 01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,280 oh, there's so much noise. There's like all then I didn't 1635 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,040 know that there's a downstairs room that people are doing games 1636 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,800 in. I'm like, oh fuck, if I knew 1637 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,920 that this was here, I wouldn't do it in there. 1638 01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,240 So we'll see though. I know that's going to be more 1639 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,080 tabletop focus this year because Arcane comes like right next to 1640 01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,680 it. But I mean, I can be convinced. 1641 01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,240 We'll see. We'll see what happens. 1642 01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,000 Whatever we do, it's going to be fun. 1643 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,440 But again, seriously. Thank you so much for being 1644 01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:48,000 here. You're awesome. 1645 01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,480 Go the links are down below. Click on the thing. 1646 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,560 Make sure you go buy a ticket to our King Khan if you get a 1647 01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,440 chance. And and again, seriously, thank 1648 01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:56,960 you so much for for all the stuff that you're doing to the 1649 01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,720 community, being an awesome curator. 1650 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,560 And again, thank you so much for being here on the show. 1651 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,320 You, you flatter me too much. Thanks for providing me the 1652 01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,520 space. To talk about my dumb, stupid 1653 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:09,120 shit I make. All right, that's going to be 1654 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,280 asked for today. So thank you all so much for. 1655 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:11,560 Listening and we will see you all later. 1656 01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:12,960 Bye. Thanks.