1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,480 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll podcast. 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,680 My Name Is Ryan. And I'm not Jarrett. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:28,360 Crater I am what? And this is not Cat Chats 4 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,600 Episode 2, our monthly cat hating podcast, where all we do 5 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,280 is talk shit on cats the whole time. 6 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,000 No, that's not. That's not. 7 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,520 OK, so this. Is our monthly I hate Cats And 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,600 then they give me shit about it. But then we talk about Space 9 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,320 Penguin Inc and any random bullshit that comes to our mind 10 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,960 with the one and only Jarrett Crater. 11 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,600 How are you doing this morning, jerk? 12 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:03,400 I'm doing it's it's lunchtime over here on the other coast and 13 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:09,280 I had burritos shout out to shout out to Orbital 14 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,240 Intelligence if you are listening in the background, 15 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:19,240 yes, I had burritos. At times I had. 16 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:20,440 I don't. Did I eat yet today? 17 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,960 I haven't eaten yet. I don't know. 18 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,040 I don't know what. I've been up all night and I 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,160 don't remember what I ate. I have coffee right now though, 20 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,080 so they. Just had some. 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,120 They just had some. Glass the blood of my enemies. 22 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,720 So Oh yeah, I love this mug. This is a great one. 23 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,280 This is Wizard of the Barge. Blood of my enemies. 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,320 Let me some Wizard of the Barge. What do you got against coffee 25 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:46,880 cherries? What's a coffee cherry? 26 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,520 That's what. That's where you get the blood 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,880 of of coffee out of. Did you know that coffee 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,320 cherries are fruits? I did not know that coffee. 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,760 Cherries, Now you know. Now you know. 30 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,480 No. Look at us. 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,040 What happens if you eat a coffee cherry? 32 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,760 You get it's called Cascara and you get just like a little bit 33 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,920 of a buzz from it. Nice. 34 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Do they sell coffee cherries anywhere? 35 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,640 You can yeah. You can get cascara and like you 36 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:15,960 can actually, you can brew it and stuff like that. 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,760 You. I can't stand you guys. 38 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,800 What? No, seriously. 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,200 Like one of one of one of one of my friends, Kaylee Katie Gann 40 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,440 won nationals for pour over coffee that she's a barista. 41 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,920 And I I know all kinds of stuff about coffee I used. 42 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:38,120 I've worked at some coffee shops before SO. 43 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,120 Me too, and. Drank it. 44 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,960 A lot of them. And really, which one? 45 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,560 I worked at AI Mean. First off, I worked, I worked at 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,720 Starbucks for like 6 or 7 years. I was there forever. 47 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,320 And that was. I mean because I moved a bunch 48 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,160 and they let me keep and I I conned them into letting me keep 49 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,160 my West Coast pay when I'm South. 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:58,960 So I was getting paid the most there. 51 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:04,280 And then I worked for a like boutique coffee bar. 52 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,440 So that was both coffee and alcohol for a while. 53 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,040 That's pretty cool. Hip. 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,440 Very hip, yeah. Very hip, very hip. 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,760 Yeah. I know people. 56 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:16,360 Every time I made some people go, like, you know, were. 57 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,080 They really. No. 58 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:22,040 Fuck. Well, every time someone 59 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,760 tangents will do that here. Yeah, OK. 60 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,480 For an awesome episode. Basically. 61 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,000 This whole, this, this whole, this whole time, it's just been 62 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,840 snaps thus far, right? Fucking now. 63 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,560 So hey, we're ATHRBG podcast and Jared Crater's here. 64 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:44,400 Hey, Space Penguin Inc. Yes, that's that's the name of 65 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,000 our company. We're named after Pat and and I 66 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,520 know that you don't like cats, but maybe we can go into that. 67 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Maybe we can go into that in a future episode of. 68 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,520 You know episode episode 9 will be actually about. 69 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,000 Oh, there we go. All about our nine cats we like, 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,440 there we go. Oh yeah, any. 71 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,440 Cats, you have on earth. I'm I. 72 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Don't care because this is not Cat chat. 73 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,920 So no, I can't. I'm sorry. 74 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:18,920 That was mean, yeah. I hope we're not using all the 75 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,519 comedy up in the first like 5 or 10 minutes. 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,080 Oh yeah, I'm done. I'm spent. 77 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,360 That was my load. So what's? 78 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,000 So what's new? What do we got cooking? 79 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,680 What's going? On what's new what's new biggest 80 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:38,160 the biggest one that is looming over our our heads like doom and 81 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,000 the night is you thought I was going to say Karen and I'm going 82 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,640 to say Gary Kahn. Gary Kahn. 83 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:52,800 I depart next Wednesday and then return the following Tuesday. 84 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,800 And super duper, super duper, Duper, it's super duper. 85 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,320 Excited to take this little guy with me. 86 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,440 This is the for those of you at home prototyping, this is The 87 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,720 Game Crafter medium box. This is the medium box. 88 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,640 Feel free to reach out to me if you're prototyping your board 89 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,560 game with The Game Crafter, because we actually have one. 90 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,240 We have Cutthroat Fruit Merchants by David Tory that's 91 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,880 in the other room that was actually in the large box. 92 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,640 And David was like, Oh no, no, this is the media box I think 93 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,600 and he said the magic words I think and I was like cool. 94 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,760 So I'm going to order the medium box and get that and it's going 95 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,600 to be kind of big, right. And it's going to have this 96 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,920 beautiful Doug Kovacs painting around the outside. 97 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,400 Nope. I get the medium box and it is 98 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,640 small. It is the size of I'll show you 99 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:52,240 the the this, we got these two. We can talk about these A5 book 100 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,200 for comparison, but currently right now it might stay at this 101 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,040 size like, I kind of like and am in love with this a little bit. 102 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,280 I didn't print out a rules book just because the rules aren't 103 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,520 done. This is a prototype, but we've 104 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,240 got some markers, we've got some decks of cards. 105 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,280 I put some dice in here and whatnot. 106 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,520 Anyway, there's boards, there's there's little maples. 107 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,840 It's a dudes on a map game. For those who don't know what 108 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:27,920 dudes on a map, it means you put your little maples and you roll 109 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,320 dice and you move them around and then they interact with 110 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,520 different stuff. I mean, that's that's my version 111 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,640 of what dudes on a map is. I'm sure somebody on Reddit will 112 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,840 get at me about it, right? Right, Hunter? 113 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:38,920 Somebody on Reddit? No. 114 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,240 Absolutely. They're all they're getting in 115 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,720 the comments, right? Get in the comments y'all. 116 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,600 Right, exactly. Anyone on Reddit even knows who 117 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:46,920 we are. That's. 118 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,800 Probably very true. You should remedy it. 119 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,080 You should. I dare you to remedy. 120 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,880 That I'm good with. That I'm good without all of. 121 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,000 That, but I'm taking taking Killer Wizard with me. 122 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,400 So if anyone watching or listening again or watching 123 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,880 later happens to see me at Gary Conn, I'm going to have a big 124 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:14,480 pink hat with a cat on it that says Live in the Meow That came 125 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,000 in this month's Cat Lady box that I will be wearing so I'll 126 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,960 be easy, easy to spot. And if you want to sit down I 127 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,600 will. Love would love to, love to, 128 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,040 love to, love to get in as many games as I can of this. 129 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,240 It's two sided so you can technically play two different 130 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,560 games, although you can play both sides like A side and B 131 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,360 side in an order. A side is a hex crawl. 132 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,880 You're traveling across the wastelands and picking up stuff, 133 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:45,400 and then Bayside is is a is a tower crawl. 134 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,080 It's a dungeon, essentially. It's a tower. 135 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,640 It's not a dungeon, it's a tower chariot. 136 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 And it's super straightforward. You can play them separate from 137 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,960 each other. There's rules to, you know, get 138 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,960 your characters enough stuff to go on the back. 139 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:05,080 So it's meant as a convention post post con game you know 140 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,160 after hours thing that you just kind of like pick up and play 141 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,240 each side is built to play in like 35 to 40 minutes. 142 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,880 So it's kind of weighted heavily so that you lose kind of you 143 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,840 know I like my board games like I like my RPGs full of death and 144 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,480 decay. Brutal as hell, right. 145 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,440 Exactly. But it's very but it's very it's 146 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,679 very funny it's very it's very much light hearted like in the 147 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,280 pic that's been they sent floating around in our 148 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,720 newsletter. One of the things you can find 149 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,000 is like dog eared trucker mags. For those who don't know what a 150 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,360 trucker mag is it's semi porno. There might be naked lady did 151 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,360 it. And you know one of the other 152 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,240 things you can find one of the other items that you can find in 153 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,120 Kill the Wizard is Rat Nod diapers. 154 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,240 Yes. Ladies and gentlemen for those 155 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,640 of you who have just longed for a game where you can find an 156 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,400 item called Rat Nod diapers we we are the game for you. 157 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,520 Yeah, So, so that's kind of that's, that's that's the, 158 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,240 that's the new jam. Cool. 159 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,800 Cool. Yep, Yep, big news Karen to E 160 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:22,240 Box Set goes to live on the crowdfunding platform of 161 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,760 People's Choice, whether they want a choice or not. 162 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:30,600 Kickstarter. Yeah, Kickstarter. 27th of May 163 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:31,640 no. Of March. 164 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,520 God, I wish it was the 27th of May. 165 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,240 This shit. Part of it would be over 166 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,920 already. Well, I had a great call with 167 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,000 Yohai this morning and we've got it nailed down. 168 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,280 We're getting our tears locked in what we want to do. 169 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,800 It's going to be really basic. It's going to. 170 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,640 Some people are going to. I I know a lot of folks going 171 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,320 into this with a lot of expectations from a lot of other 172 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,240 gun game companies and just a lot of the way that Kickstarters 173 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,920 have been built and done and stuff like that with a lot of 174 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,840 extras and yeah, Hooray and fluff and stuff like that. 175 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,640 Like it's it's it's going to maybe change people's minds a 176 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,160 little bit about the way that we want to use it. 177 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:16,160 Using crowdfunding and using things, you know using platforms 178 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,920 like that to essentially get pre-orders for your systems, 179 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,240 your games, your books or whatever. 180 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,720 It's a it's a thing that you do, it works. 181 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,240 It's a thing that you know initially back when I first came 182 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,520 on the show, I was just like no, I don't want to do that. 183 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,360 I don't want to do that. I I still don't want to do it 184 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,520 but it's a but it's a way to do it. 185 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,200 It's it's it's part and parcel of the workflow of how things 186 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,520 go. So it is the way we're going to 187 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,360 do it but we're going to bend it and we're going to twist it and 188 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,000 tweak it to to our way of doing things. 189 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,200 Working with Yohai has been awesome. 190 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:56,680 We have very, very, very, very, very similar constructs and and 191 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,240 and way we think of things and we want to hit you know a price 192 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,640 point for affordability. We want to keep the fluff to a 193 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,520 minimum. We want people to be very clear 194 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,040 with what they're getting. We want the prices to be really 195 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:15,240 easy to understand when we want. We just want it to be, you know, 196 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:18,440 we want it to be like we would want it to be like go somewhere, 197 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,280 press the button, give the money X amount of time things come up. 198 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,720 You know, one of the other cool things about doing it this way 199 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,000 is and then really, really putting the squeeze on 200 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,000 production team and you know, thanks, Adam. 201 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,080 Thanks, Derek. Thanks Yo. 202 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,640 Hi. Thanks, Bruno. 203 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Thanks. You know, Amanda and Brad and 204 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,960 Zedekin, everybody else, you know, who's doing all this work, 205 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,760 we're OK Everyone who's worked on this thus far, thank you for, 206 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,800 you know, working so hard to get the thing ready so that it's 207 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,240 ready to go when we go live. You know, as we're finishing 208 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,040 the, the first section in the crowd fund campaign, the actual 209 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,040 Kickstarter, the goal is to, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to 210 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,920 say fully what it is right now because somebody's going to be 211 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,680 like I saw you on that show, on that video show and you said it 212 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:07,440 was going to be this. The goal is what we're pushing 213 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,600 for is that having a complete, ready to go digital version of 214 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,880 the product, whether that's the final polished one or not. 215 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,200 But you know around the time that this, this closes, we'll be 216 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,840 able to show you all these cool, great covers, all of these 217 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,240 images, we're well ahead. We're well ahead of things on 218 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,680 that. We're well ahead of things on 219 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,760 the production side. I just got some really great 220 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,680 videos from our printers. 3 cats. 221 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,960 Look at that. There's more cats everywhere. 222 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,120 It is pretty faded that we have 3 cats and that the printer 223 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,240 who's handling this is 3 cats. I'm just, I got to say I had to 224 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:50,200 to Justin series for introducing me to Jay Ming and the gang at 3 225 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,320 Cats. They're awesome. 226 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,680 I just got some great videos today from their warehouse. 227 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:56,240 They're preparing our white box sample. 228 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,680 For those who don't know what a white box sample is, it's white 229 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,560 and it's a box. It's essentially one of these 230 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:04,440 things with all the parts that go in it, but instead of having 231 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,360 your really cool, pretty art and everything like that, everything 232 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,440 is just white. And it's mainly meant so you can 233 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:15,200 tell and get a good feel for what the paperweight is, how 234 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,440 heavy the things going to weigh when you know, so we can get 235 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,360 accurate estimates on shipping. So people aren't like, Oh my 236 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,360 God, you said it was going to cost this and then two months 237 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,720 later you're adding in more money because it's going to cost 238 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,480 this. We're just like we don't, we 239 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,120 don't, we don't want to do that and we don't want to also eat 240 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,080 that cost of it. You know, we want to get an 241 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,480 accurate weight so we know how much a thing is so that we can 242 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,400 tell you how much The thing is. That way the consumer, the end 243 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,440 goal person can make the decision whether they want to 244 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,120 buy the thing or not, you know now or if they wanted to try to 245 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,600 get it later, You know there is no if sees but you're going to 246 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,920 buy it. Some people and some people 247 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,320 don't. I mean I've got some stuff that 248 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,120 I've got things on some Amazon wishlist that have been there 249 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,880 for a decade plus and they're they're going to stay there. 250 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,320 You know, looking at you, Ivan Bernetti's true porn, which is a 251 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,240 bunch of great comic books, comic strips, buy a bunch of 252 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,320 like it's just been on there for years. 253 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,800 And every time there's a, there's a reprint of it. 254 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,200 Like, I'm just like, I I want to buy it, but then I don't buy it. 255 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,520 Am I freezing up? No, it's a little bit. 256 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,240 It. Looked like I was freezing up 257 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,000 and maybe I confused my camera. No, Yeah, you are definitely 258 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,200 frozen. Oh no, I'm doing this, aren't I? 259 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,760 And it's a good pose. No, it's a great. 260 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,360 Pose awesome. OK, so imagine me just doing 261 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,120 that. Imagine me just plugging in in 262 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,720 my unplugging and plugging my camera back in and seeing if it 263 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,080 starts. Nope, it doesn't. 264 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,640 Man, I love when this happens. We'll just call you the the 265 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,720 Ghost of Jerk for the rest of the episode, you know? 266 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,200 OK. Well, we'll see if it comes back 267 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,600 on, won't we look? There we go, Yeah. 268 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,280 We did it, yes. Well, we maybe did it. 269 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:13,120 Now I'm going like this. Yeah, really not quite. 270 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,400 Sure, but this is a vastly superior pose if we're. 271 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,720 Sure, sure, sure, sure. Like an oil painting too. 272 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,760 This is one of those accidental renaissance things happening 273 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:25,200 right now. Let's. 274 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:32,520 Say Edward monks, the smile. Anyway, a white box sample of 275 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,800 the Karen box is coming in. It's on its way. 276 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,600 So I was super stoked for that. That actually will ship 277 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,200 tomorrow. And then this might be that 278 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,360 might be traveling with me to Gary Conn so I can, you know, 279 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:51,560 meet up with other game creator, producer or peoples and come to 280 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,920 talk to them on that. So Jared, about the about the 281 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,960 Kickstarter project, you said you guys are keeping it like 282 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,720 simple. Can you reveal to us like what 283 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,840 those tiers are kind of going to be and like what there is to 284 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,120 expect from the project? Is it like just book only like? 285 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,280 So, so there's going to be look at that. 286 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,240 I fixed it again. We'll see how long it lasts. 287 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,080 I'm not going to move, I'm not going to raise my hand. 288 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,480 I'm just going to talk the the. You look AI generated right now. 289 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,320 So there will be, there'll be the $1.00 pledge that you know, 290 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,680 people can act to follow along and we're going to do the cool 291 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,360 thing that we that I like to see I'd like to do. 292 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,200 And that'll get you backer pricing in the BK pre-order 293 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:49,040 store. And then there will be a digital 294 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,680 tier because there are digital things that are going with this. 295 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,160 It's not just the the players book, there will be there be the 296 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,560 Wardens book. There's some adventures that, 297 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,480 you know, stuff is going to be with it and some other cool, 298 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,000 neat things. And then there'll be the 299 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,640 physical tier and the physical tier is going to be the box set. 300 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,240 And that's kind of where we're leaning the the reason that 301 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,839 we're feeling pretty confident of going that way. 302 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,079 And again, this is all subject to change before we press that 303 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:31,280 big red button or whatever color button it is on the 27th is we 304 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:34,400 we, you know, we we we can change things up until then. 305 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:40,280 So this is all grain of salt but Karen lifts, Karen is alive. 306 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,360 You can right now get the Player's Guide version of 2 E 307 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:50,360 You can literally go to the Cairn RPG website and and and 308 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,880 pull the SRD and if you wanted to you're allowed to assemble 309 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,680 that in any fashion, any way shape you weren't. 310 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,680 Yohai has kept Karen in Prince. You know app cost on Lulu for 311 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,600 years now. And that's kind of the thing 312 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,160 that we're talking about doing. It's like we we don't want to 313 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:14,920 exclude anybody from getting these things physically, but we 314 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,000 want to run one crowd fund for this boxed set. 315 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,400 The goal of it, of this whole thing is a digital version and a 316 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,040 physical version of this boxed set as opposed to a digital 317 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,680 version of the Player's Book and the physical version of the 318 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,400 Player's book and the Warden's book and all these other little 319 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,960 things Do you know we're working as as hard as we can to keep the 320 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:42,200 cost low so that it will be more reasonable for someone to pick 321 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,560 up and and get the box set because we want people to, we 322 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,480 want it to be a total package as well. 323 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,800 You know we want people to just be like I am comfortable with 324 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,760 spending X amount of dollars on this because it's got all of 325 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,480 these things in it. We've built our stretch goals in 326 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:02,320 to to make improvements on the items that go in that box and 327 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,920 that's what we want to do. We want to keep this as simple 328 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,920 as possible. We can keep it 1 SKU. 329 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,840 I don't want to get too much way we've we did some other talking 330 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,840 this morning about some other things some some I don't know 331 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,600 there's some neat cover artists that are that are working on 332 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,560 some stuff and some other art that's going in. 333 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,480 But everything we do is, is the goal is to make that digital 334 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,920 version of the, you know, the package that you get at that 335 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,720 time and the physical that you get when you purchase the box 336 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,080 set as the important thing. People are going to be like now 337 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,800 how come there's not an A la carte this, this, this and this 338 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,440 and there's like, well, we didn't say there's not an avatar 339 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,360 disk. There's always the future, 340 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,000 right? There's always the future. 341 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,000 But space here at Space Bingham, we're we're a two person show. 342 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,760 It's Debbie and I, right? And she's working a day job 343 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,840 still part of the time. So we're trying to keep things 344 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,000 as simple and neat and concise as we can. 345 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,720 So that we can do more stuff. You know before we started 346 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,680 Hunter, you were joking. That jerk is in a competition to 347 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,760 see how many things space painting can publish, you know? 348 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:19,080 And it's not not so much that it's it's it's more building the 349 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:24,200 supply lines. This is a a big a big ask, I 350 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,520 know. But to everybody watching and 351 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,560 and listening and whatnot, if you have a friendly local game 352 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,640 store that you go to, go to your friendly local game store and 353 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,040 ask them, are you an ACD partner? 354 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:44,240 ACD is a distribution partner. We sell products to ACD at a 355 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,560 wholesale rate, to distribution so that stores can buy them at a 356 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,960 reasonable rate and distro makes things so much easier. 357 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,840 And that's how you get to see cool things. 358 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,360 Like at my local up here up the street, I remember the first 359 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,840 time they had Morg Morg there. And I was just like, I worked on 360 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,840 this book and they were just like, what? 361 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,400 And I walked up to the counter and I was like, that's my name. 362 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,560 And he was like, hi, that's awesome. 363 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,040 I was like, we just really like the cool or yellow and black 364 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,960 cover. And I was like Oh yeah, yeah, 365 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,840 yeah, no, Johan's great, blah, blah and all this. 366 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,320 And they were just like, you know, the creators. 367 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,360 I was like, yeah, I just said I worked on it. 368 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,640 But it's it's great when so anybody out there if you can go 369 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,600 to your friendly local game store and ask them if they're in 370 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:32,120 an ACD partner and you know and when and they the ACD has a 371 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,320 catalogue that comes out every month that goes to retailers 372 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,040 called Meeple monthly and it's where people put in the new 373 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,160 release. So the way the ACD works is it's 374 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,400 four months ahead of time. I have to be soliciting product. 375 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,480 We have to be telling folks, hi, this thing which we'll talk 376 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,400 about our new releases. Look at this Segway. 377 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,440 Amazing. Such a clean, natural segue. 378 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,360 It's almost like, it's almost like a segue. 379 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:02,720 It's like a driven over a Cliff. I had to get it in there. 380 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,320 But it's a four month lead. It's it's a 90 to 120 day lead 381 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,440 time on the cycle of getting things out there. 382 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,160 So that's why a lot of my collaborators, our collaborators 383 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,800 have just been lately, they've been like, wait, what? 384 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,920 So we need, we need the cover in the interior, but we have X 385 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,080 amount of time on the end. But you have to know the page 386 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,120 count. And it's like, yeah, so I have 387 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,920 to, you know I have to have the cover, the completed cover. 388 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,480 I have to have the in interior as much as it is because that 389 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,880 has to go to dye Sugars, because Dye writes all of our marketing 390 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,960 copy. Thank you, Dye. 391 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,400 And then I, I, I saved space Penguins three people. 392 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,440 But and I did. I just realized I was like, it's 393 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,160 not three people. There's dye is actually the 394 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,600 secret heart of it because Dai is the one who reminds me on a 395 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:59,600 Monday that's going to be OK. So thanks Dad but and and so we 396 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,480 you don't have to have that for marketing blurb. 397 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,560 And then the once those are solicited in Maple Monthly and 398 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,760 those go out in that magazine, then the buyers there and 399 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,280 Michael is our buyer there. He's the head of the buyers but 400 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,960 he's our our buyer for us too can base based on title and 401 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,800 based on you know what line it's for and how many and then you 402 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,120 know previous trends. It's all everything's a 403 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,560 spreadsheet. Y'all everything is looking at a 404 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,000 bunch of numbers, but he can tell that OK, cool, for 405 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,080 Forbidden Psalm he can order 30 or 40 copies total of the 406 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:46,440 monthly, 3040 copies total of the monthly, pretty much if 407 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,120 they're buying those on every month. 408 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:51,560 And these stores are because we're building an avid fan base 409 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,600 by having people go into the store and play the games and 410 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,200 stuff like that. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. 411 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,800 Or it's a fulfilling prophecy, I guess. 412 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,240 I don't know. It's not self fulfilling because 413 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,680 I'm not there, I'm not there being like you will buy this and 414 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,360 then they buy that, you know anyway, go to your local game 415 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,920 store. Ask them to purchase your 416 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,560 favorite games, ask them have you ever heard of Space 417 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,480 Benguinique? All you all you got to do is 418 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,560 just and and just be like yeah, it's this, it's this one guy and 419 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,440 this, this is this is one, this this other guy and this chick 420 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,400 and these people. And you know, the more that 421 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,840 those stores are interested and intrigued and want to pick up 422 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:36,240 stuff that way, the more that ECD then can, you know, 423 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,000 sanctioned buying and then the more that they can buy from us 424 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,720 and then it just means the more cool stuff that we can put out 425 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,480 faster. So you know staying on that 120 426 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,960 day cycle. No, rest only work. 427 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,480 There you go. Well, I mean, we've talked well, 428 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,640 so I wrote a note. So we'll go back and then I'll 429 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,680 hit the let me write down what I was going to say so we don't 430 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,920 forget this too. I'll see if I can read that 431 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,520 later. The E5 Medium box for Kill the 432 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,680 Wizard. Love that size. 433 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,640 It looks like it'll fit right on the the shelf with the rest of 434 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,680 your books. Was that thought at all, or did 435 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,520 you just go for Medium on that now? 436 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,360 Because that's what fit this current stuff. 437 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,320 So yeah, we can just talk about this board game forever. 438 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,280 I love it. It's mine. 439 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,680 That's mine, That's mine. So we went with medium because 440 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,680 like I said, I misunder. You know David's David Tory 441 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:42,360 thought that it was the IT was the the media the box that he's 442 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:46,440 got that he has for cutthroat fruit merchants. 443 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,560 Also coming in the future from Space for Men or with Space 444 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,080 Penguin was the medium and so I went with the medium as is. 445 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,760 It's the let me let me just flip it upside down and see if I can 446 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,240 come on. I can show you the board and the 447 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,240 and the reason I went with this is because on The Game Crafter, 448 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,800 which is where we got these, this prototype done, they have 449 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,120 this medium sized folding board which is a six fold. 450 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,720 While it's it's technically one 2-3 folds, but it's a six panel 451 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,800 board, right? Whoa. 452 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,040 So this is the back, This is, this is, this is Raxel's tower, 453 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,480 right. So this folds down nice, nice 454 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,480 and tight to fit inside this box. 455 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,120 So that's the reason that it's kind of sized that way. 456 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:46,600 Now you'll notice that on the board that there are like, I 457 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,040 mean part of me kind of wants to leave it where it just says kill 458 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,520 the wizard and that blue kill the wizard prototype and the 459 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,960 people get this and they're like, wait, it says prototype. 460 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,080 Yeah, I know we just thought it was funny because you know me. 461 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:04,160 But I I had Eric Hill who did the help me with the layout of 462 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,720 the board and everything like that. 463 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,240 Put these slots over here for the cards. 464 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,960 By the way, this illustration is by Tiger Wizard over at Epic 465 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,760 Levels. So podcast fight, podcast fight, 466 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,400 podcast fight. One of these days I'm getting 467 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,600 all my podcast phrase together and we're going to have a have a 468 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,480 When you're a Jet, you're a Jet moment. 469 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:33,600 So I hope that explains round about why the board is shaped 470 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,440 that way or the box is shaped that way. 471 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,920 Yeah, here's the here's the here's the front side of it. 472 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,760 Wow. There's slots on the bottom for 473 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,960 where all the cards go, so. Yeah, if you're listening, go to 474 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,840 YouTube and watch this. Because you used to see this 475 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,920 board, that is. Super good. 476 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,080 Do great descriptors today, so. Yeah, no, it's a board. 477 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:01,760 Go to subscribe to our YouTube. It's bored, right? 478 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,080 It's a thing. Just. 479 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,320 Go look at it. Go to the YouTube and look at 480 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,200 it. That's a really. 481 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,120 I mean there's. The character cards. 482 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,880 These are the six characters you play. 483 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:16,040 These are our characters from the Warlands game That the the 484 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,440 greatest DM that I've ever played with. 485 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,760 Wayne Snyder. And I know he's not listening to 486 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,920 this, but I get. I get to see him next week. 487 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,440 Wayne Wayne is him. Head skeleton dog on Tumblr. 488 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:35,480 Yeah, now trust me, it's good. Wayne also builds the ziggurat 489 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,400 and the gong and is the owner of the Wizard Van. 490 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,160 If you've ever gone to a con and seen the DCC booth and stuff 491 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,520 like that, Wayne Wayne is the person who designs and builds 492 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,920 all of those massive structures that Goodman Games uses. 493 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,160 So anyway, Wayne Wayne ran a game called Warlands, which was 494 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,560 he let us, he told us later, was just running rifts in DCC and 495 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,840 we're just like, it makes sense now, but it it was a campaign 496 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,520 that ran for like 2 years, 18 months, something like that was 497 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,120 really great, really weird. And then this was the this was 498 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,840 like the the Redux campaign. After most of us had died the 499 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,680 first time around, this was it. This was the second set of 500 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,640 characters that we played. And so and then I made a new 501 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,800 robot character because I wanted a robot character for this game 502 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,320 because he doesn't love a good robot. 503 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,040 So a lot of this is inspired by that game, and a lot of it just 504 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,360 are all irreverent sense of humor. 505 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,520 You know, growing up in the late 70s, early throughout the 80s, 506 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,840 and just, I don't know, dumb TV, dumb cartoons like we, we had 507 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,600 the, we had the best, we had. I had the best parents. 508 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,400 He's called ABC Story break and CBS Story break and the Dungeons 509 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,360 and Dragons cartoon and shit like that. 510 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,200 That's where most of our education came from. 511 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,320 So yeah. I definitely think Dungeons and 512 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,400 Dragons cartoons. Kitchen. 513 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,640 Wait, you've never seen it? This is where the Dragon's 514 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,880 cartoon hunter Oh my God. I'm sorry. 515 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,560 The dungeons. OK well I will send you the link 516 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,760 later. There's they're all on the 517 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,560 Youtubes and you can just watch. You can watch them all in a wall 518 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,960 and on there's 17 episodes. Is it 17 episodes 17 episodes. 519 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,120 The first season it was it was short lived couple seasons. 520 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,120 So good show. Good show. 521 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,240 I I enjoy it. It's it's my bath time show. 522 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,480 Like, I take I, I I take the iPad in and I soak in the tub 523 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,600 and I watch the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon. 524 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,280 You damn, I want a tub to soak in. 525 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,880 I have a stand up shower buddy. I don't have any tub in my. 526 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,240 Mouth. What you do with that, I can 527 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,720 totally hack that for you, is you just tape it and then you 528 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,000 and you crawl in the top where you cut a hole on your ceiling 529 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,760 and you didn't know. I mean, you can do it, yeah. 530 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,040 You're right, that's a really, really good idea. 531 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,320 I'm sure I'll get my deposit back after taking that action. 532 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,480 Yeah, absolutely should. I can't. 533 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,320 With the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon. 534 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,680 They even put I didn't hate the Doughnuts and Dragons movie, and 535 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,440 they have a nod to them in that too. 536 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,400 So it was neat. But I guarantee if you look up 537 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,440 the Dungeon Master from the cartoon, you've seen that little 538 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,960 fucker before. Gosh, when? 539 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,160 What's the thoughts of your play testing and prototyping the 540 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,480 board game right now? Do you have a hopeful timeline 541 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,000 for when people not at cons might get a chance to take a 542 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,760 peek at that? Or man, sometime next year, 543 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,560 2025. Fingers fingers crossed. 544 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,120 One thing that I want to do with Kill the Wizard is I want a 545 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,240 print and play version at home so everything is going to 546 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:57,080 eventually get sized down to where folks can and there were. 547 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,840 And the other thing too I want to do with it too is and being 548 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,960 lucky enough to work with David Torre at at tastefully done 549 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,600 games with Cut Through Free Merchants as David knows his way 550 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,920 around Tabletop Simulator. So what thing that we're going 551 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,720 to do is we're going to have a package on Tabletop Simulator on 552 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,280 Steam for those folks who have that so that you can actually 553 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,400 play this on there. We're going to have a print and 554 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,440 play version. It's just it's one of those like 555 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,840 it's always been that way like I've I've, I've. 556 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,400 I've sculpted the game out of product. 557 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,400 You know, cutting little pieces and printing off a bunch of 558 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,760 blank cards and handwriting them and then actually being like, 559 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,560 oh, why did I do that? Why didn't I just type them in 560 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,400 there? Oh duh. 561 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,640 And then having them so people don't have to read my shit, my 562 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,880 chicken scratch handwriting. But little tokens. 563 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,400 And yeah, I mean, you can play if you have. 564 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,240 If you have a board game, then you have a mover, you have a, 565 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,200 you have a, you have a meatball or you have, if you have a 566 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,280 monopoly, you can be top hat guy, right? 567 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,120 And you can use the top hat in the place of Tad, the halfling, 568 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,800 you know. Or you can use the shoe in place 569 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,160 of JJJ Netskaya like you. If you've got tokens, that's 570 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,720 that's the that's the The thing is making your own fun is 571 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,000 something I'm not scared of. I've always had to be the 572 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,320 entertainer for my younger siblings growing up, you know, 573 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:34,080 and then going on and like teaching music classes and stuff 574 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,960 like that, like at summer camps and just other things and always 575 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,440 being able to hack and do something fun and and wild and 576 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,080 crafty with whatever you have at home. 577 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,400 So that's the what we want to do with Killed Wizard is we want 578 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,560 everything to be able to be on A5 or 8 1/2 by 11 sheets of 579 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,720 paper. And they're going to be they're 580 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,600 going to be a version for a A size printer folks and the one 581 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,920 for the US size printer folks to where you can get that map. 582 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,000 You can print out those 4 pages of the map and then you can put 583 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,560 them together and you can tape them together and that's your 584 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,800 map. You know you might have to trim 585 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,960 a little bit but you put those together and that's your map. 586 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,840 Awesome, cool great. We've got we've got the map And 587 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,159 then you you know like there's like monsters there's obelisk 588 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:22,280 there's items there's strange occurrences and there's time 589 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,400 tracker and yes inadvertently it's spells moist everyone 590 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,800 everyone's like your tokens smell more. 591 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,679 I'm like, well, it wasn't on purpose. 592 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,760 For once. I didn't do, I didn't do a good 593 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,040 joke on purpose. But you just need little tokens, 594 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,760 You know what I'm saying? And you can use anything. 595 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,320 We can do Little scraps of paper. 596 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,600 You need some dice. Oh no. 597 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,199 And then you need something to simulate the cards. 598 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,239 So we'll have print in place so you can cut those cards out. 599 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,000 And if you've ever made a Magic the Gathering proxy, you can 600 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,679 just literally cut those out, slide them in with a Magic 601 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,280 Common or Star Wars CCG Common RIP. 602 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,320 Best game ever. And then you can print off your 603 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,440 copy of the rules. The combat's really great. 604 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,760 It it involves combat matrices because it's a throwback to, you 605 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,680 know, the the TSR era pocket game. 606 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,280 I don't remember if anybody remembers those, but the there's 607 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,120 a game called Vampire. It's got a really great arrow 608 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,880 Lotus cover on it. I'm actually taking it. 609 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,400 That's the one time I think I might actually be like, hey 610 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,040 Arrow, will you sign this? I usually don't have people side 611 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,800 stuff, but now that I've actually managed to get to this 612 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,080 point with with this game, I'm going to see if I can get Errol 613 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,280 to sign my my copy of Vampire because that would be something. 614 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,920 This is one of the first things I bought when I started playing 615 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,920 games when I was a kid, when I was like 8 years old. 616 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,440 So yeah, is this the same play version? 617 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,720 No. I wish. 618 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,800 I totally wish. I mean, that would be really 619 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,080 cool. But no, unfortunately when we 620 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,400 were younger that we we experienced a house fire. 621 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,640 So yeah, you know those. I think it's not the longs, but 622 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,760 it's the the balentine adult fantasy. 623 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,040 Remember the ones, the Unicorn and the circle, right. 624 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,040 Like that. Lynn Lynn Carter was the editor 625 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,160 of the was the line editor like in the 70s. 626 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,800 Anyway we had all of the Tolkien and they were in like a slip 627 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,320 case, like a like a paper slip case. 628 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,200 Torched. Torched. 629 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,640 Oh well. So we don't have anything we 630 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,120 don't have anything cool from that era. 631 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,120 But I, I, I haven't since got it again and played it a lot and I 632 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,480 love I love that vampire game. So yeah, Kill the Wizard is a is 633 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,680 a combination of TS, Rs, Vampire, Hero Quest, the Jaws 634 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,000 game that was created by Prospero Hall, published by 635 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,320 Ravensburger from 2019 and Talisman. 636 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,840 So it's literally parts of my four of my favorite games, just 637 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,800 mind numbed all the way down so you can play it at a convention 638 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,520 exhausted as fuck. Like at the end at the end of 639 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,320 the day at the end of the night you know it's like it's like 9 640 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,040 or 10 at night, 11:00 at night where half the people are 641 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,200 smashed you know and half the people are just like what is 642 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,200 this person on about Like we're we're trying to make a we're 643 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,480 we're working out a low as as a former and then sometimes still 644 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,720 current lowest common denominator we we worked we're 645 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,480 we're working on making this usable by the lowest common 646 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,320 denominator so. There you go. 647 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,840 I'll have a great time with it then. 648 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,920 Once once you get on the Tabletop Simulator, you'll have 649 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,880 to come on and maybe, maybe. Maybe and do some new jobs. 650 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,200 Yeah, absolutely. That'd be. 651 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,400 Fantastic. Definitely a plan. 652 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,720 As you can see from the board, there's a lot of it. 653 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,880 Like Tiger Wizard has not had full time to do inks on all of 654 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,080 the things because we're at the stage now where he and David 655 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,720 Hoskins, who's also and and Andrew and David are doing the 656 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,960 interior art for the cards and stuff like that. 657 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,480 And then my friend Indishus Jones is doing some spot art for 658 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,640 that's going to be in the rule book. 659 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,120 He was like, just from what you're saying, it's kind of that 660 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,560 picture looks like, it's kind of like Ralph Bakshi's Wizards. 661 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,480 And I was like, you mean Von Bodie's Wizards. 662 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,800 But OK, Ralph Bakshi ripped off Bodie. 663 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,520 Sorry. I'll do it. 664 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,320 I'll do it. Hey, calm. 665 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,560 Down in the comments, please, What? 666 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,720 Is he? What is he fucking talking 667 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:30,280 about? I don't know. 668 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,320 He's having a conversation with himself anyway. 669 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,640 Amazingly classic jerk moment. Because like, we're all like, 670 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,520 yeah, do whatever. Yeah, Odious is. 671 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,000 Right. It is. 672 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,360 It is good. Odious is doing some some spot 673 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,200 art for I see the rule book. But as you can tell from the 674 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,560 from the board, you can still see the pencil marks like 675 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,160 nothing's nothing's ink. And those those colors are not 676 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,640 final. That's those colors are are all 677 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,920 Eric Hill being like, do these need colors on the backs? 678 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,120 Do they need a common back? And I'm like, Oh yeah, they do. 679 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:08,320 And so he went with, you know, there's a lot of blue in the sky 680 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,880 on Doug's cover painting, and there's a lot of pink, you know, 681 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,120 in the highlights and accents. So Eric extracted those and used 682 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,480 those as the color picker for a lot of that stuff, like that row 683 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,080 case, row case said that looks like 70's porn and we're just 684 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,920 like, we won. We won. 685 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:30,760 It wasn't intentional. So yeah, so that and also like, 686 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,280 I can't wait for Doug to see this and he'd be like, wow, they 687 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,000 really fucked up the colors on my painting. 688 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,400 I'm going to be like, it's it's a prototype. 689 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,280 It's a it's a prototype, Doug. Look, it says along the side. 690 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,520 Exactly. And on the board and? 691 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,840 Everything. And it's going to stand, right? 692 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,440 Yeah, exactly. So yeah. 693 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,160 Anyway still work in progress is we're still, we're still ways 694 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,080 out from that. But yeah, getting a getting a 695 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:59,480 version built up and working in TTS sometime before the end of 696 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,360 2020 through what year 2024 is a goal. 697 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,040 So we can start having, you know people just have access to it 698 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,720 and playing it and stuff like that because it's AI don't know. 699 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,840 I'm interested to see how it does when it meets the public. 700 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,320 Next weekend, you know, I'm hoping it's not as bad as I 701 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,040 think it is going to be where people are. 702 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,000 Just like now, that's dog shit. You should just start all over. 703 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,440 I'm going to be like I won. I won D&D. 704 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,840 Yeah. Yeah. 705 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,360 How did we get back on the board yet? 706 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,280 We were talking about Karen and we got back on board because. 707 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,160 Ryan asked. You went through like 3 topics, 708 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,960 so I just wrote notes as we went and as soon as you took a 709 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,040 breath, I jumped in and asked a question. 710 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200 That's that's how we got back. Because now we're back to Karen 711 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,760 I. So we've talked about this I 712 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,920 think the last two times you were on the show where really it 713 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,760 seems like post Pandemic with the prices of everything and 714 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,480 everything going off that Kickstarter, at least a lot of 715 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,080 the bigger projects you see on Kickstarter that you know, 716 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,400 besides the one that have like 3 famous people's name attached to 717 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,560 it because it wrote one word in it. 718 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,520 A lot of people are calming down on putting too much shit in 719 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,920 their kick charter, like adding on three sets of dice and blah 720 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,520 blah blah. And you see a lot of those like 721 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,280 not doing as well, I feel. Plus just the simplification of 722 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,240 getting it all. You're already doing a box set 723 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,360 with Cairn. I think we said before, you're 724 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,840 not putting dice in this, are you? 725 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,320 We're not. That was a that was a choice 726 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,040 that was made very early on. When Yohai and I started talking 727 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,760 last year about this, yeah, he was, you know, he was just like, 728 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,800 what about dice and or maybe I said what about dice? 729 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,760 And I'm just like I look at it from a from a component 730 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,920 structure. If we go with one printer and 731 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,320 they handle all, they handle the, you know, we have one 732 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,920 printer that's handling the box and handling the book built and 733 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,320 handling the the, the other items in there. 734 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,280 You don't want to say too much about what they're most like. 735 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,520 People can probably figure out what's going into an RPG box 736 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:14,040 set, but they're they're easy. It's easy to handle there. 737 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,200 Now, can that place source this other item? 738 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,200 Yes. Can that place source that other 739 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,680 item and probably put that in there when they're doing the 740 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,200 pack build? Yes, probably. 741 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,280 Can this other place, can I order them from someplace else 742 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,880 and can I have them shipped here and then can they be packed into 743 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,520 a box and shipped separately? Do you know, do I want to piss 744 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,760 off my partner? Do I want Debbie to be mad at 745 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,680 me? Not really. 746 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,440 You know, like does she, You know, I we want to we want 747 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,800 minimal skews for this, you know, That's why we're hoping 748 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,920 that everything comes in a box and like we're going to get it 749 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,720 shrink wrapped and there's going to be one SKU and and one ISBN 750 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:53,200 on the back of that so that it just streamlines our entire 751 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,040 thing. If people want to buy 2 copies 752 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,800 of the of the thing, they can buy 2 copies of the thing. 753 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,520 I'm can stop anybody from doing that but you know we're we're 754 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,760 not really doing like a la carte versions of of stuff like that. 755 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,800 Like it's just we're really just focusing on the box set That's 756 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,520 why it even says on the Kickstarter it says Karen 2 E 757 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,360 boxed set. It's it's that's literally what 758 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,520 you get. You're not getting, you know 759 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,280 it's different if someone puts title of project and then 760 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,800 involved in that is there is a tier where you get a box set or 761 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,480 where you can get just the books ma'am, you know and just the 762 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,200 individual stuff like that that's that's separate. 763 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,160 We're just literally have advertised this as the box set 764 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,280 because that's what we that's, that's what Yohai wants and 765 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,360 that's what we want is like one SKU make it simple, that's what 766 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,440 we pack. And that kind of goes out from 767 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,000 there, you know, just I don't know. 768 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,080 So yeah, so dice have never dice were like kicked out right off 769 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,960 and dice haven't really entered in. 770 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,520 I have a lot of lot of dice. Like I have this whole tray of 771 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,600 dice, the pieces right here, like these, these dice have been 772 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,720 built and like collected over. I've got dice going back 773 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:18,880 probably 15 years, even when I wasn't playing RPGs when I was, 774 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,600 you know, I I still have some random dice here and there and 775 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,560 like these spellburn luck tokens and stuff like that from, you 776 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,720 know, 7-8 years ago, random stuff like that. 777 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,200 So this is one of the grossest ones I have. 778 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,920 It's a, it's a, it's a it's a muscle or a bone D20, but it's 779 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,760 not actually made of bone. It's a yeah. 780 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,520 Yeah, we all have a lot of dice at this point. 781 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,320 I feel like we feel like we all agree. 782 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,680 And and I feel like that's not to say that at some point Space 783 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,120 Penguin won't make a dice set. Yeah, because we might want to 784 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,840 make a dice here. I'll tell you 100% truthfully 785 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,760 what I want to do is I want to achieve, I want to achieve the 786 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,960 Armory D30. And I know I I want I hope 787 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,360 Thrift is is watching this. I don't have the comments up but 788 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,400 I know she is and I know she's she's right there with me sharp 789 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,840 edged not even sharp but just flat you know precision D 30s 790 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,160 you just you just don't get them that that that that aren't you 791 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,600 know you can get them in metal you can get stuff like that just 792 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,520 aren't the Armory D30 they just they just don't make them the 793 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,600 the molds don't exist and that is a thing that at some point 794 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,320 someday that's one of my dreams is to find that so that's when 795 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,600 space Penguin will do a dice set is when we when we can do that 796 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,000 but that's going to be you know it probably won't even be a set 797 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,400 it's probably just going to be the D30 because I like the Zaki 798 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,960 game science you know precision dice I like you know the rest of 799 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:04,360 those like those are I don't know anyway I love dice. 800 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,680 I don't didn't feel like putting them into this box set. 801 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,360 You know. Very fair. 802 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,040 The thing that you said is the thing that always pops into my 803 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,320 head with a lot of these box sets. 804 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,560 It's like if you put 18 different things from 18 805 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,680 different companies, someone has to put that shit all together. 806 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,080 And that feels like such a pain in the ass. 807 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,240 And there's an extra added cost that it's just I would rather 808 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,080 have the book six weeks sooner than wait for you to put fucking 809 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,160 dice in, cuz I have enough goddamn dice, you know? 810 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,760 I think my thing is just, yeah, it's like, there's so many 811 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,480 projects that have had so many, maybe not specifically dice, but 812 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,320 so many different things added into them. 813 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:43,240 And it's just like, yeah, just waiting for that manufacturer to 814 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:44,880 get that part in. And like, these kicks are 815 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,800 updates that keep, like pushing off further, further. 816 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,720 I'm like, ah dude, I just don't even care about that thing. 817 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,120 I just want the book, you know, so. 818 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,440 On on it right now with Forbidden Song with the The End 819 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,520 Times Kickstarter we're we're within our range. 820 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,680 We're going to hit These are going to pack and ship in April. 821 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,480 Like we've said, they're going to be in your hands in May. 822 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,480 Like we said, that's our goal. But right now I know Will and I 823 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,760 are every week. We're just like on our Tuesday 824 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,840 meetings. We're just like nothing new to 825 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,320 report. No, I mean we do have new stuff 826 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,000 to report. We're friends and we talk about 827 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,120 life and and other stuff like that And there were then there 828 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,200 are things moving down the line, you know endless horrors and 829 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,720 some other stuff like that. You know forbidden. 830 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:30,040 Some hero supers next year. I'm excited for that one. 831 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,880 You know I'm excited for all of the things for Ben Sahm actually 832 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,480 there's a ton of them but right now we're waiting on the tokens 833 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,760 and the maps from our friends at 4 Max in Saint Louis. 834 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,640 New new not a new printer but a new to us printer that I 835 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,200 discovered that can do tokens and large scale fold out maps 836 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,720 like we wanted that will fit cool that we need for the games 837 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:58,240 you know and those were like stretch goals with that and are 838 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,200 we going to do tokens and maps for future forbidden song 839 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,760 Kickstarters. You're damn right. 840 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,680 Why? Because we've done it now and we 841 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,720 figured it out but unfortunately we've these books have been 842 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:11,360 sitting. Look at this. 843 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,080 I'm going to show you these books have been sitting in space 844 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,880 Penguin headquarters for two weeks. 845 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,000 The collection of Death has been sitting here. 846 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,960 The end times, the softcover. Here's the the hardcovers even 847 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,720 finally arrived from the UK the other day and boy, they smell 848 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,080 good. A book sniffer. 849 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,960 I was, I was, I wasn't A book sniffer for the longest time. 850 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,520 No, whatever. It's a shout out to the book. 851 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,920 Sniffers on the Necropolis. You know who you are. 852 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,040 But yeah, so these things, these things have been in the war band 853 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,800 book, your roster book, right? They've been in, they've they've 854 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,960 been in for a couple weeks now and they just kind of sitting 855 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,560 here and we're we're like kind of like, wow, we really have to 856 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,440 wait for those other things. Oh, now I look now I look 857 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,840 chagrined. I froze up and I look chagrined, 858 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,880 don't I? Yeah. 859 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,360 Shame. Shame. 860 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,640 Shame you do the thing with the camera again. 861 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,840 For those listening, none of this matters to you. 862 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,840 There we go. But so question the real, the 863 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,000 real question that everyone listening is going to want to 864 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,480 know the answer to. Was there any argument over box 865 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:35,760 set versus boxed set? Oh, you know, I always say boxed 866 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,920 set. Oh, man, look at my now this 867 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,320 this camera. I swear I tell oh. 868 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,640 This is better, actually. This is like some spark 869 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,200 improvement. Yeah, yeah. 870 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,120 Wait, did the poll. Well, how'd the poll resolve? 871 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,000 Box. Box, BOX or BOXED? 872 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,760 BOX. Wow, so it's a box set? 873 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,200 No, because a box set is a set of boxes. 874 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,840 Y'all duh. This is a box set. 875 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:10,480 That means it is a set in a box. Is that? 876 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,840 Is that from the? Is that from Reddit? 877 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,440 No, we ran a poll in chat right now. 878 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,200 Right. And the two people that voted 879 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,560 just said Bo X and I was one of them. 880 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,520 Look at us. So we say box. 881 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,480 Thanks chat. Thanks for participation. 882 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,080 Appreciate that out there you guys. 883 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:40,280 But gosh, also, so for those that can see the stream, we are 884 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,040 running this beautiful slideshow above me and Extrajert that's 885 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,640 got two of the covers for Cairn from Bruno Prosecco as well as a 886 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,680 couple art pieces from Rochamero. 887 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,000 Gosh, those covers are beautiful. 888 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,800 Bruno does some amazing work. Yeah. 889 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,480 And are there is are is it just Bruno? 890 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,520 And are you allowed to say like who, what all art else is 891 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,560 happening in them? I think that Yohai has let it 892 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,480 slip. That or shared it. 893 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,960 I mean, I'm gonna say that. I mean I'm maybe I shouldn't. 894 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,760 Maybe I shouldn't without checking and I know that he's 895 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:28,200 he's was busy doing child care this afternoon so I'm not all 896 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:35,200 will be revealed on March 27th. You know Speaking of voice over 897 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,640 voice over can we tangent and say that did did you did you all 898 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,680 see dunk Part 2. Look, the word the sand worms 899 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,320 back there. Did you Did you see Donk Part 2? 900 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,080 Donk Part 2 yet. No, it's not either. 901 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,040 No. Did you get the popcorn? 902 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,720 Back there, the popcorn you want to see. 903 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,680 It. Oh, I see it now. 904 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,000 No, it blended in. But now I definitely see the 905 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,520 hole there. Oh, look at this. 906 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,080 That's the official Dune sex toy you. 907 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,880 Know. I mean, you can check it out. 908 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,200 You can put your whole arm in there, digging his fist digging. 909 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,720 His fist right into there. I mean. 910 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,680 Oh man. Although. 911 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,840 We're we're gonna go see it I think this coming week though 912 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,640 so. Yeah, for those listening, don't 913 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,080 watch this part. Don't. 914 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,000 Watch this part. No, I, I, I, I I don't go. 915 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,280 I don't see other human beings if I don't have to, so I will 916 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,240 see it when it comes to my home. It'll be it'll be on Max. 917 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,560 Yeah I know it was funny the the premiere weekend. 918 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,840 I've I've been fascinated by this. 919 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:44,360 I've just been fascinated by this as I have a lot of people. 920 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,480 This just as a as a as an art piece or just as a thing. 921 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,160 It fits in with a lot of the other random ridiculous shit 922 00:52:54,160 --> 00:53:00,840 that's in this office and I I had to get one and bolt neck, 923 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,600 bolt neck Opossum, Who's watching this? 924 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,440 Hi was going out. This is why to watch it and they 925 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,480 didn't have any when he went to watch it. 926 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,040 So I was just like I I said Debbie. 927 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,800 I said can we go see Dunk Part 2? 928 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,920 And she was like, I haven't watched Dunk part one. 929 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,640 She says Dune. But I don't know, is it really 930 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,760 is it called Dune? Looks like Dunk I. 931 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,720 Think it's called dunk. I think you're I think you're 932 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:30,520 pronunciation. Yeah, pretty sure Frank Herbert 933 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,040 really meant it to be dunk, and it's. 934 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,840 Dunk. It's Dunk Messiah, the children 935 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,640 of Dunk God, Emperor of dunk. Right. 936 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:39,760 Yeah. Speaking of dunks, I want some 937 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,920 dunks like. Anyway, it's the shoes. 938 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,120 No, no, no, no like. I mean, here's the thing. 939 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,120 Whoever said yes to that fucking bucket absolutely knew what they 940 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,040 were doing. And there's definitely people 941 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,680 that went to go see that movie just to get that weird sex toy 942 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,360 100%, yeah. I did, I did. 943 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,200 And I also got bolt, nickel possum one. 944 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:05,960 It's sitting over there. Sorry. 945 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,320 It's still. It's in, it's in the box. 946 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,600 It'll it'll be packed. I promise. 947 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,320 I'll give it out this weekend. Wow. 948 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,480 Look at you. Great brand. 949 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,480 Yeah. So anyway, yeah, dunk dunk sex 950 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,720 toys. Weird, weird manufacturing 951 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,000 stuff. But I I will tell you this, this 952 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,560 is like, it's a it's a it's a two-part. 953 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,880 Oh, it's got sticker stuff on it now. 954 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,680 Let's get sticky stuff on it. It's a two-part. 955 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:34,880 There's like screws in it. So you know you had to have 956 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,720 someone like assemble this a machine possibly could have done 957 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:41,720 it but could have been a human and then these key they came 958 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:43,560 that. So Speaking of assembly, going 959 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,040 back to dice, you know like somebody along the line was like 960 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,320 it's three pieces and someone's like well we can't do it in two 961 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,440 pieces and get the sculpt right. You know, that's kind of how I 962 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,920 feel about that with like with with own stuff like dice in 963 00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,080 there, you know, like it's just, you know, it's kind of extra. 964 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,520 So yeah, I don't know. But I like it. 965 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,480 It was like that was easily one of our best tangents so far. 966 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,480 Just for the record. Yeah, like. 967 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,320 Yeah, I mean. Before we so because we brought 968 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,440 it back around. You were exactly. 969 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,000 It was. That's why it's so amazing. 970 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,600 Expect the SPI sex toy sometime in 2026. 971 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:25,560 Wow 2025. I'll put the date on it, Q 972 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:31,920 4/20/25. There you go, ACDC. 973 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:39,040 Your your your local. Games ACDACD Distribution 974 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,760 AACDDACD Distribution I. Thought it was ADC. 975 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,720 A/C. DACDCI know what I'm saying 976 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,000 ACDC. So did AC. 977 00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:57,840 Did you ever get your your copy the Scott, the the beautiful SPI 978 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,160 information in it? No funny story. 979 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,120 The issue that last month's issue that would have had our 980 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,920 first US for the first time in there. 981 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,440 I've got the magazine before because when I worked at EFI 982 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:19,280 would get it and to see how it matched it, you know Kristen had 983 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,240 copy sent to me and so we've had it the first month that we would 984 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,680 have been listed in there. You'll love this. 985 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,600 The other day it arrives. Just the cover. 986 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,480 The gut, the the Yep. Perfect. 987 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,160 Just the cover, so. You gotta call them up and say, 988 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,480 listen, that's we gotta pin that on the wall. 989 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,200 That's like our first dollar bill kind of, but like of 990 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,920 distro. It's funny. 991 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,680 That's OK. There'll be another one that'll 992 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:50,200 come next month, so or this month I guess it could even be 993 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,680 in the mailbox like right on the other side of that wall right 994 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,080 now, so. Yeah. 995 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,680 The other thing is, I know we've talked about this before even, 996 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,880 but when you were on the show prior to it now being called Not 997 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:09,920 Cat Chats and are now recurring show from when Space Penguin 998 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:16,240 started to now is as far as specifically the growth into 999 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,440 distro and and everything and getting into friendly local game 1000 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,880 stores and Kickstarter and everything. 1001 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,800 Are you about where you thought you would be or are you a little 1002 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,080 ahead, a little behind? I know you were talking about 1003 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,480 not doing Kickstarter for quite a while, but then you know, 1004 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,080 obviously Karen Tui is is, you know, big. 1005 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:44,440 A big get is great. How do you feel about those kind 1006 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,640 of like goals you were trying to check off? 1007 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,960 Texting the boss lady that I won't have dinner ready, she's 1008 00:57:53,040 --> 00:58:00,120 got to fire me. So you're asking overall, do I 1009 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,760 feel like like where do I feel like we're at like when we 1010 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,960 started and then like where you know how, how it started, how 1011 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,400 it's going that sort of? Thing Are you expected to be or 1012 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:16,280 or sure? Yeah, so I feel that way. 1013 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,080 Kids, kids, get out your projection sheets, learn, learn, 1014 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:25,680 learn how to do projections and and learn, ask around and pick 1015 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,880 up all of the little stuff that you think you might forget. 1016 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,920 Little things like just expenses is one of the biggest things 1017 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,200 I've learned to and and incurred a lot of really small little 1018 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,320 expenses like subscription type stuff and we all have those in 1019 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,040 our lives. But imagine like all the ones 1020 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:51,880 you have in your live, you'll also need similar ones or in 1021 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,480 some way shape or form other things like that for for a 1022 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,760 business. So there's a lot of little stuff 1023 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,720 like that that's kind of topped up and added in. 1024 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,600 Things move a lot slower than one would think, especially when 1025 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,240 you're like being ADHD, ADHD, riddled, and you're just kind of 1026 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,040 like you can bounce, bounce, bounce to other stuff. 1027 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,080 The rest of the real world doesn't bounce, bounce, bounce 1028 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,040 as as fast as you can. Some people do take more than 48 1029 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,600 hours to respond to emails. I don't know what that's about. 1030 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,960 I don't know what that's about. But sometimes people do take 1031 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,240 longer than a couple of days to respond to e-mail and you just 1032 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,280 have to kind of learn to like get used to that stuff does, you 1033 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,320 know, stuff does move a little bit slower. 1034 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,720 There are a lot more steps, and even I have found myself 1035 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,480 starting to gauge more and put more of the distance because 1036 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,520 it's initially you're just like cool. 1037 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,960 Work with somebody, edit a thing, help design thing, you 1038 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,400 know, get it laid out, whatever, Write a thing, pay the money, 1039 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,040 print the book, sell the book. And that's that's that's cool. 1040 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,920 But now imagine you're doing that for 4:00 and 5:00 and 6:00 1041 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,160 and 7:00 and 8:00, nine and 10 and 20 things, all in various 1042 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,040 ways, shapes and forms, all with various creative teams. 1043 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,360 That you know as someone who's a mental a mental mentally awesome 1044 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:19,520 over here you know some some teams like you just imagine a 1045 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,080 bunch of you know a bunch of folks with with the same 1046 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,840 situation going on like and we're all working on trying to 1047 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,680 get this thing done and to the best of our ability but just 1048 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,720 just life and existence and and in general you know like 1049 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,160 everybody comes to things at at different times. 1050 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,720 Sorry I was that might have been UPS there's we might get lucky 1051 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,680 and some of the new releases for April might arrive during this 1052 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,280 call. Everything's supposed to arrive 1053 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:56,960 within the hour so we'll see. So I do I think overall it's 1054 01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,800 kind of a wash of where we've where I feel we're at as far as 1055 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,840 I feel like most stuff is good with how we're doing. 1056 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,240 Some things are better some things are worse I guess not 1057 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,760 worse but just some things aren't as far along and some 1058 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:21,720 things are farther along. But yeah we're we will be one 1059 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,440 year old officially for business in July, right. 1060 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,640 Wow July. So we're still, we've still got 1061 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,560 a, we've still got a couple of months here before we're before. 1062 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,160 It's quite hitting that one year mark. 1063 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:39,640 And to be on the edge of our, yes, we you know we partnered 1064 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,720 with Will with the Forbidden Psalm One, but that wasn't 1065 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,160 Will's first rodeo and that also wasn't you know Jarrett's first 1066 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,040 rodeo working with Will on a project. 1067 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,240 So that one Karen's going to be our first big crowd fund. 1068 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,600 We got board game prototypes, figuring out how to get things 1069 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,600 in line to work with distribution and and figuring 1070 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,200 out how to do that. As part of that chain's going. 1071 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,680 Handling a bunch of fulfillment projects for other creators and 1072 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,080 things like that. Like that has been super fun and 1073 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,680 super exciting to get to see stuff that I backed that. 1074 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:20,080 Yes, Sam Sorensen is my friend, but and I have edited his works 1075 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,560 before and it was great. Like, you know, like I first met 1076 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,840 Sam when Sam was just like he interviewed Fiona and I about 1077 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,760 our editing process. And I was just like, that's 1078 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,320 weird. He was working on a paper or 1079 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,640 something and then I ended up editing a thing for him and then 1080 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,040 he's written. So anyway I back sees a sand and 1081 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,760 then like the thing like a lot of things that I back I kind of 1082 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,200 just back and then just like forget that they're that they're 1083 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,800 there just because out of out of sight out of mind. 1084 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:55,000 But to get to to get to help Sam bring those things to fruition. 1085 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,440 You know to get the map printed in the worm printed and the 1086 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,520 really nice super awesome hardcover book printed and then 1087 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,200 to help him get that like fulfilled. 1088 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:10,000 Like you know to to to build and run abk pre-order store and 1089 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,640 fulfilled and run. And then you know, sending out 1090 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,600 like 304 hundred packages a couple of weeks ago, like week 1091 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,360 and a half back, you know, like that's awesome to be able to 1092 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:25,120 track and. Oh, Oh no. 1093 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,680 Oh. We lost the audio this time too. 1094 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:29,400 Dirt. Dirt. 1095 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,800 Watch those packages while you're working with a new 1096 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,120 shipping service. I'm still here. 1097 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,480 You bet. Yeah, I'm back. 1098 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,360 So yeah, no, I never. I never left. 1099 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,960 I never. Left you left for us. 1100 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:45,840 You were. You weren't. 1101 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:53,120 Cry for me, Ryan Tinga. I only know that song because of 1102 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,240 the data. This is truthfully gotcha. 1103 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,640 I. Think we lost you audio wise 1104 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,960 talking about getting to work with Sam, like post BK store 1105 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:13,720 setup and everything. No, no, just very still. 1106 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,280 All right, So those listening we are in and out of freezes. 1107 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:28,320 So when Jerk gets back, I think we're gonna talk about some of 1108 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:34,680 the releases coming out and besides what we've talked about 1109 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:39,760 already, which is Cairn Box at coming at the end of the month, 1110 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:47,280 as well as Gary Kahn and the board game prototypes. 1111 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:56,920 So do we wanna do we wanna hit BRB and get hey, we're back. 1112 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:04,760 We emerge from the darkness. Jarrett's moving, Yeah. 1113 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,280 I feel like every time that I see a Kickstarter now that I'm 1114 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,720 like, this one's really cool. I Scroll down and I see Space 1115 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,680 Pangolin distribution and it's like their fulfillment partner 1116 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:18,400 and everything. So I mean on top of being around 1117 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,920 for less than a year at this point, the number of things that 1118 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,280 SPI has put out this big Kickstarter coming up to kind of 1119 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:32,280 like round out the year ish, April, May, June, well kind of, 1120 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:37,720 I mean that's like Q3 really. And then as well as doing all 1121 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:44,520 this distribution from products down in Guardi, no, don't freeze 1122 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,440 again dirt. I'm still here. 1123 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,840 We're here. Let's talk about the other 1124 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,360 projects that are coming out the the newer, the releases. 1125 01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,360 We got resonant and we got at The Mutants of Madness. 1126 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,160 Just in case we do lose you, we wanna make sure we cover those. 1127 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:07,120 So talk about those. OK, let's talk about at The 1128 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,880 Mutants of Madness. Clearly a a smidge of a 1129 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,840 Lovecraft reference there. Sure, sure, sure. 1130 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,280 Written by my it's now it's telling me my Internet 1131 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:24,480 connection is unstable. Do you think it's right? 1132 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,800 So at the meetings of madness is Forrest Giri's. 1133 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:39,920 It's what I think we said it's aimed at 7th, not a funnel. 1134 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:40,920 What? I don't know. 1135 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,120 I'm. I'm looking up what this 1136 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:50,040 actually so secret. I never look at projected party 1137 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,000 composition when it comes to modules. 1138 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,880 I always run everything as whatever level you want to bring 1139 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,240 it in. So. 1140 01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,680 I just ignore the the guidelines, yeah. 1141 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that's just that's just 1142 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:10,080 that's way more fun to do. OK at Mom Digital, here we go. 1143 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:18,800 At Mom Digital it is a yeah, it's four to six, seven level 1144 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,240 PC. So that's kind of where it's 1145 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,040 scaled at like all of the numbers are like way up there 1146 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:24,640 and way high and stuff like that. 1147 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,960 But you can get this, you can run it as a funnel if you want 1148 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,240 to. It's totally cool. 1149 01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,440 You can have, you know, you can bring 10 or 15 along like savvy 1150 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,040 play, you know, like level, level, schmevel, like whatever. 1151 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:46,040 And yeah, obviously as you know, a reference to At the At the 1152 01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,600 Mountains of Madness and it's an NCC when I don't even give too 1153 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,560 much away. But I mean as the cover shows, 1154 01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:58,400 you know, they're great. Brad Mcdevitt cover too. 1155 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:14,240 Bunch a bunch of plane testers. It's it's, it's there's it 1156 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,160 there's it's part hex crawl and then there's a really, really, 1157 01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:25,720 really, really intense puzzle. Forrest has ran really, really, 1158 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:32,160 really kind of hone in and dial in how one actually does the 1159 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,399 puzzle at the end. We rearranged that a little bit. 1160 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,200 I'm taking copies of it with me to Gary Conn so. 1161 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:50,000 So he and I can discuss it, you know, in your local brick and 1162 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,720 mortar retail store in April as well. 1163 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,319 But Joseph asked the other day, he was like, oh, do you think 1164 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,040 you can hand deliver those at Gary Conn? 1165 01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,800 We can put them in as the new release, so they might be 1166 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,640 available. If I could fit them into my 1167 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,200 luggage, I guess I could. I could. 1168 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,160 I could take another suitcase. I don't know. 1169 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,520 I could take it 1 suitcase. Just for games. 1170 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:10,640 Right. Exactly. 1171 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,880 You know secret. Yeah. 1172 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,359 Seriously. I don't why they they always ask 1173 01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:19,200 me to. They just palm picks me up and 1174 01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,040 like I always have like this big art. 1175 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,800 It's Debbie's big R2D2 suitcase and like it's so heavy. 1176 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:36,359 It's we we hit it right to the 50 LB limit with just classics, 1177 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,760 which is also you can run it with DCC, you can run it with 1178 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:44,160 just about anything. It would probably run super cool 1179 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,000 with mutant year zero. If anybody uses the year 0 1180 01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,600 engine, which I do love the year 0 playbooks, not playbooks, the 1181 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,960 modules, the the setups for those are good too. 1182 01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:01,120 Lots good weird dead things and UN alive things and stuff like 1183 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,160 that. So I don't want to give too much 1184 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,560 of the module way. Our volumes are slim, but yeah, 1185 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,440 I think people are gonna like that one. 1186 01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:15,280 Fun The cover looks sick and another mothership module coming 1187 01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:16,720 out. I think you guys have done. 1188 01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,120 I mean, obviously I've forbidden some of the most, but mothership 1189 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,320 probably the 2nd at this point and this one from Amanda P and 1190 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,480 Tony Tran. So what is a resonance? 1191 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,760 So resonant is people are going to be like, oh, that's really 1192 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,520 similar to another bug hunt. I was like, well, as the editor 1193 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,760 on another bug hunt, I can assure you that the two writers, 1194 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,760 Sean McCoy and you know, Alan, Luke and etcetera, Who else? 1195 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,240 All the all the folks who helped to write Tyler, who helped to 1196 01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:48,120 write Bug Hunt don't know Amanda other than, you know, possibly, 1197 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,920 you know, Sean knows them on Twitter. 1198 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,800 But it's get this. There's bugs in both of them. 1199 01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,040 Oh. Oh wow. 1200 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,320 And. I think they both have bugs, I'm 1201 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,160 sorry. There's space. 1202 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,960 I know too. The so resonant. 1203 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:10,880 It's kind of the players, the the crew get a message and it's 1204 01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,760 kind of like they can either work on the side of the company 1205 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,520 or they can work on the side of the settlers. 1206 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:19,080 But they go to this planet and there's some experiments and 1207 01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,920 whatnot that have happened there. 1208 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:29,080 And Amanda's bugs and resonant deal with sound and what they 1209 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:34,120 actually do with you to like in the concepts of carcinization. 1210 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:39,920 So even if you don't get don't get resonant to run it it's just 1211 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,000 really interesting like one of the inspirations is Havana 1212 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,240 Syndrome. Like I don't know you know for 1213 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,920 your viewers and watchers familiar with Havana syndrome 1214 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,600 and what that supposedly does you know to people and things 1215 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,720 like that like sound sound battles and you know stuff like 1216 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,040 that. It's got a bunch of really great 1217 01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,320 Tony Tran aren't in it. Dye sugars did the layout and 1218 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,400 design and totally like made some amazing propaganda pictures 1219 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:09,400 out of with using Tony's art and just really did a a kick ass job 1220 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,760 with with the design and the layout. 1221 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,120 Like overall like I can't say that enough about diet like 1222 01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,720 obviously like he's my friend and works for us doing you know 1223 01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,240 marketing and design. But just overall in general, 1224 01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,920 just like I'm just looking up to be able to work with him and 1225 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,440 like see the way that stuff comes out of his brain, you know 1226 01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,440 what I'm saying? Like all these folks I get to 1227 01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:35,640 work with, like I'm usually the first person who gets to see a 1228 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,720 lot of this stuff. That's kind of why I do that's 1229 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,920 that's the real secret of what I do, is because I want to be 1230 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,960 first. Yeah, absolutely so. 1231 01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,400 Yep, 100%, yeah. I saw the the Dye posters up on 1232 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,160 Twitter last evening and they're fantastic. 1233 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,040 I mean, Dye does an amazing job with the promo, with the 1234 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:58,520 editing, with the layout. I mean the the we've got I've I 1235 01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,440 think I've lost count of the number of times we've we've 1236 01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:03,160 reviewed a book and seen Die's name as the the layout person. 1237 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:07,120 They're always stunning so it's an it's a it's a great they're a 1238 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:11,880 great person to have on the team all around it sounds like I mean 1239 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,520 you again the you know everyone and the team that you have 1240 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,080 around you is fantastic. I mean you talked about Eric 1241 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,560 Hill with the with the Kill the Wizard you know they're they're 1242 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,600 worth working with meathead right now I think there's like 1243 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,360 48 hours left on that go back that. 1244 01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:30,960 Yep and and you actually were the one that was like hey you 1245 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,880 should meet this person and talk to them about me heads and that 1246 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,360 was such a a a a great you know introduction appreciate that 1247 01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,960 cause Eric is fantastic. Mark's fantastic me heads with 1248 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,800 such a game to run with with Stella who's in chat. 1249 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,720 So just the, the connections you've built and clearly keeping 1250 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:52,560 the the good people around you has definitely made, you know, 1251 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,800 Space Penguin. I mean, I can't imagine I can't, 1252 01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,600 I can't finish one single thing, much less start a company and 1253 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,800 put out what like 20 things by this point. 1254 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,640 So it's probably definitely helped to have these wonderful 1255 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,680 people around you. Oh, absolutely. 1256 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,320 Like the it's. I can't do any of this. 1257 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:16,480 Oh, oh sorry. Phone blowing up. 1258 01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:18,760 Making things. It never stops. 1259 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,320 It never stops. Yeah. 1260 01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:22,920 No. This is, this is not, this is, 1261 01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,160 this is the part. This is the business. 1262 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,200 Seriously. Without, without, without 1263 01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,640 writers, writing, without artists, arting and layout, 1264 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,000 layouting and and editing, editing and design. 1265 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,200 You design, you know, and marketing, marketing, without 1266 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,360 any of those people. We don't, we don't have anything 1267 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:42,000 to do, you know what I'm saying? With without that we're without 1268 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,120 the act of creation. We're just consuming and like 1269 01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,880 that's great, but like just, I don't know. 1270 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,880 It's just it's fun to be on this this side of it. 1271 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:59,280 You know, like I have we won't go into the on the show because 1272 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,520 whatever. But even when it gets really, 1273 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,400 really, really down and I'm just like, I just want to quit. 1274 01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,960 I want to phone everyone. I would end up going to close 1275 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,000 all contracts when it end the whole thing. 1276 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,840 And Debbie's just like, well, what are you going to do? 1277 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,920 And I was like, you're right, I would be bored. 1278 01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,240 You know, I'm, I'm one of those people. 1279 01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,320 I was getting our tire repaired the other day and one of the 1280 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,200 guys was like, Oh yeah, I retired. 1281 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,800 And now I'm unretired because I'm working because, you know, 1282 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,240 the inflation is so bad and blah, blah, blah. 1283 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:31,760 And I'm just like, what are you guys talking about? 1284 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,560 Like I'm not even 50 yet and I'm skipping retirement. 1285 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,200 We're just going to work until we die. 1286 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,280 The American Dream. I mean like, why not? 1287 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,760 But then I think about it and I think about like my parents, my 1288 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,360 grandparents and my great grandparents, they all like 1289 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,320 retired. And like I'm just like, you 1290 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,920 know, we we live here in Florida and like I just, I kind of like 1291 01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:55,760 wonder like do I guess, I guess folks get to read more. 1292 01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,560 Yeah. I guess they have time to read, 1293 01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,480 so that's that might be cool. I didn't retire, but I don't 1294 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,520 like golf like he I like mini golf. 1295 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,600 That's kind of fun. But you can only, you know, like 1296 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,640 you can only do some mini golf courses like so many times, like 1297 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,240 once usually did. I just locked up again? 1298 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,040 No. Well, not such a, but no. 1299 01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,800 I I feel I I would retire right now and literally do nothing for 1300 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,040 the next 30 years. I am definitely a person who 1301 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,920 could easily never work and not be bored at all. 1302 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,720 That would be fantastic. But I'm going to be long dead by 1303 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,640 65, so that's nothing that I really need to worry about. 1304 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,680 At all. Fair, fair, fair. 1305 01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:36,400 But not dark at all. Yeah, hey, listen, you know the 1306 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:41,920 American dream is for the richest to work the forest until 1307 01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:46,280 they die, consuming all the profits and hoarding like 1308 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:47,360 fucking Dragons. You know? 1309 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,520 I mean, America. Good times. 1310 01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,760 Jeff Smaug, Jeff Smaug, Bezos, etcetera, etcetera. 1311 01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:57,880 Yeah. Hey, thanks for touching. 1312 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,000 I wonder, I wonder how much, I wonder how dark the the these 1313 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,000 these episodes are going to get like the rest of this election 1314 01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,600 year. Oh God. 1315 01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:15,960 I mean, you know, it is, it is. It is what it is, you know. 1316 01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:24,200 Old Man, 2024, Geriatrics. Geriatrics. 2024 Woo Dark. 1317 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,600 Lord for President, 2024. Seriously. 1318 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,560 Seriously. I mean, do you want to just get? 1319 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,000 I mean, let's just get weird. Let's just do, let's just say 1320 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,400 Aaron Rodgers for VP. Like, why not? 1321 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,480 Like, come on, come on. Just. 1322 01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:39,760 Do it. I'm not even going to joke about 1323 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,120 what? My. 1324 01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:50,960 God my God, so this has been not cat chat Episode 2 Very excited 1325 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,800 for all the stuff that's coming out. 1326 01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,040 We will make sure repeatedly that we tell you about the Karen 1327 01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:02,200 boxed set box that is releasing on what day. 1328 01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,160 The the Kickstarter goes live on. 1329 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:14,440 Was it Wednesday, Wednesday March 27th at time TBDI? 1330 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,600 Honestly, I have had a couple when we announced that hey, this 1331 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,160 is the date that it's going to go live. 1332 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:24,560 I no shit you not soon. As the as soon as that e-mail 1333 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,200 went out, I had three different people wanted to know what time 1334 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,520 and I'm like sometime during the day. 1335 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,520 Sorry, Yeah, but you're all freaks. 1336 01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,760 At some point in time. They you get it's all the same 1337 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,800 thing. Listen, it's not a Max moon kick 1338 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,480 shutter. I'm not going to have to get #1 1339 01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:43,880 every single time. I think that's. 1340 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,760 I think that's what it is too. Is like a lot of. 1341 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,000 People want to be. Some of those people have been 1342 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,840 getting that, that first 48 and that whatnot and hey, like 1343 01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,720 awesome, like if that's that, that's the way to do it. 1344 01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,920 But again, like I said at the beginning of the show, like I I 1345 01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:05,160 want to, I'm, I don't want to have to interact with that, that 1346 01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,520 aspect of it and that. So what we're going to do is 1347 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,040 we're going to turn it our way a little bit. 1348 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:11,160 There we go. Nice. 1349 01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:18,320 All right, well Jerk getting a little choppy again here. 1350 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,760 We're going to we're we're that's going to be our not cat 1351 01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,680 chats too. Jerk is going to be back next 1352 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,160 month again. Every. 1353 01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,240 I think we've planned for like 2 more months before we need to 1354 01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,000 sit down and actually pick. Dates again, yes, and I have it 1355 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,880 in my calendar. There we go. 1356 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,960 So, but for those that like our tangents, that give you a little 1357 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,680 bit of information and some behind the scenes about one of 1358 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:51,960 the, in our opinions, best indie people right now, the stuff that 1359 01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,960 they're putting out as well as the people that are involved in 1360 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,680 everything that they're doing, Keep tuning into our Not Cat 1361 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,240 chats. You can keep hearing about Space 1362 01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,880 Penguin, hear from Jert, hear the behind the scenes of 1363 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,440 everything that's going on and hear about all these projects 1364 01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:06,360 that are coming out. So Jert, thank you so much for 1365 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,680 being here. Great to have you. 1366 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:10,280 Yeah. Thanks for having us. 1367 01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:12,160 Appreciate it. All the time anyway. 1368 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,080 And we'll let you guys know ahead of time before Jerry we'll 1369 01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,920 be back again. So that's it. 1370 01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,440 That's us for today. So we'll see you all later. 1371 01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:20,720 Bye.