1 00:00:15,310 --> 00:00:17,670 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:20,430 My name is Ryan and joining me today is Fiverr. 3 00:00:20,430 --> 00:00:21,470 How you doing this morning Fiverr? 4 00:00:22,150 --> 00:00:23,070 I'm good. How are you? 5 00:00:24,270 --> 00:00:25,550 You know, just I'm getting there. 6 00:00:25,550 --> 00:00:28,230 I did find my coffee eventually and I'll be sipping on it and 7 00:00:28,230 --> 00:00:30,840 then we'll be good. Cool, cheers. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,520 I have water in a chainsaw man cup so you know there. 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:36,200 You go. Are you? 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,000 Are you? Are you a reader or a watcher 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,480 and or both? A watcher and if anyone spoils 12 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:45,480 it for me, I'll cry. I will not. 13 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:48,840 I'm a reader, so I will not. I will, I will keep my mouth 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,200 shut. So, so fiber. 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,640 We, we met recently at a deputy con. 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,800 But for those that don't know you, who who the heck is fiber? 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,320 What would people know you for? I'm just a little guy. 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,880 No, I, I made a skirmish game called Snack 28. 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,840 I wish that was the thing that I was currently best known for. 20 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:14,080 But I think what still tops it is I was the person who painted 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,640 the ice cream nights in the Golden Demon case. 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,520 That's what people ask me a lot. They're like, was that you? 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,680 I'm like, yes, that was so. You can you can be two things. 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,880 I can be two things, both of them candy related. 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,120 Yeah. And yeah, again, we met at 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,280 Depticon. I think you were probably the 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,640 first person I even saw Depticon because I rolled in early to 28 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,640 pick up my my print copies of my game. 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,480 And you were hanging out waiting to pick up the print copies of 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,720 your game. Yeah. 31 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,840 Which is right here. Printed from. 32 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,240 Yeah. In fact, we printed from Grub, 33 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,840 Grub Press, Flatulent in the Fool, Shane the Blind Man. 34 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,800 And then I was like, oh, I you're awesome. 35 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,960 I love your game. Can I please have all of your 36 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,480 miniatures? So for those watching, I have 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,480 almost all of them. I feel like I bought the all 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,440 sorts one from Ramshackle a while ago, but next time I put 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,720 an order in, I'm getting the bear berserker and obviously 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,040 getting the cupcake colossus. Awesome. 41 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,880 But Oh yeah. Then it was like, hey, Oh yeah, 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,000 we're going to show those off when we do the review later this 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,040 week. We're going to be reviewing 44 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,520 snack 28. Those that are watching this 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,320 now, we maybe today or tomorrow I will put the VOD from when 100 46 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,080 and I played it up on our Twitch. 47 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,680 So you can actually see us play Snack 28. 48 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,280 But I'll be showing off a lot of the miniatures on the review 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,560 this weekend. But yeah, Adept Con, I think 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,840 you're the first person I actually get to talk to Adept 51 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,800 Con about here on the show. So how is your Adepticon? 52 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,680 My Adepticon was great. I mean, this was far and away 53 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,800 like the most, I would say, successful Adepticon that I've 54 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,760 had. My New Year's resolution this 55 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,320 year was just to bet. On my my own art. 56 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,480 Just a little bit more. So usually I would be. 57 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,080 Like a little bit hesitant to invest money in like getting 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,920 stuff printed to try and sell out of my backpack at Adepticon, 59 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:11,040 but I was like, you know what? Screw it. 60 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,200 I've been cautious for a while. I'm just going to I'm going to 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,800 do just a little a little step more than I usually would. 62 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,800 And I sold out of all of my copies of Snack 28 and almost 63 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,640 all of my miniatures. So it did super, super well. 64 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,320 I had like so many great, like business E conversations, I 65 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,360 guess about people who are like, yeah, we want to do something 66 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,840 with Snap 28, which was really cool. 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,720 But then also people just like seeing friends again and really 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,800 like getting to hang out with people and and socialize. 69 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,280 In in like a way where everybody is is just chill about 70 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,720 everything and also not getting misgendered constantly was super 71 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,440 cool. So the the like group back in 72 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,040 the the grim dark hallway is always really chill about that 73 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,480 stuff. And it's just nice to to to be 74 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,280 in that space for as long as possible. 75 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,400 Yeah, the grim dark alley is definitely the place to be. 76 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,600 You know, if you're part of the in Rust, we trust, you know, 77 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,480 community. And it's just so nice to not 78 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,640 like, it just feels like a smaller con within the con. 79 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,000 And it feels so much more open, like everyone's just, oh, I'll 80 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,280 pull up a chair and just do whatever I want to do right now 81 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:29,080 and everyone's cool with it. It feels like being a kid and 82 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,520 visiting your cousins and like your cousins are older and they 83 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,760 have their cool friends over, but instead of like you being 84 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,880 pushed to like go draw on the corner or something, they're 85 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,760 actually letting you play the violin video game too and get 86 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,440 excited when you like shoot the guy. 87 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,800 That's how it feels. It's just like everybody's there 88 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,200 to just like show you their cool video games that have a good 89 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,480 time and you feel like everybody is cooler than you, but 90 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,800 everybody feels like you're cooler than them. 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,800 So everybody's just chilled. There's no. 92 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,880 Big egos or anything like that? Yeah, no, I definitely spent way 93 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,320 more time in the grim dark alley than I did in the actual 94 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,000 convention. I completely, even if I got to 95 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,920 go check out all the Golden Demon stuff this year, I was 96 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,920 just down there so much because I was running my game a little 97 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,720 bit, which is really cool. And then I think I bought 98 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,520 everything I wanted to buy on the first day and then tried to 99 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,880 not buy anything else for the another four days that it went 100 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,320 on for like the longest convention every year for some 101 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,920 reason. But but it worked out. 102 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,920 And then also we randomly found out because I I was over with 103 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,760 Adam, we're just talking about world champ Gameco. 104 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,160 And then we randomly found out that Shane from girl guard press 105 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,120 and Steve from big boy game time as well as Anthony. 106 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,760 We're literally in our duplex so we didn't find out for the next 107 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,880 day and the first night both of us separately were like, oh we 108 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,800 can't be too loud at night, we don't want to wake up the other 109 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,320 people. And then found out the next day 110 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,440 that the other people were like our friends. 111 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,560 So like it. It worked out really well, which 112 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,800 is cool. I slept in every day, but I 113 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,800 think Adam and and Matt were like going up and down the 114 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,880 stairs and hanging out with the other side every day and it was 115 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,480 cool. Yeah, Adepticon was a was a 116 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,560 great times, great time to be away. 117 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,040 And then I immediately had to work like 4 more days and got to 118 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,360 take off to go to a brain dead fest. 119 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,080 So I feel like I just had a three-week vacation. 120 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Oh, you. Are brain dead. 121 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:16,840 Too. I was, yeah. 122 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:19,280 It was really cool. Got to a couple of the Hives Cup 123 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:22,640 guys were there when he was there. 124 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,520 Caleb. Yeah, Caleb's great, Caleb. 125 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,320 'S great. 232 and others and Wizards and Wenches is his 126 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,920 podcast, I think. Yeah. 127 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Absolutely, definitely. We got, we're going to cross 128 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,760 pollinate those a little bit. But yeah, super cool guy. 129 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,360 I met a lot of really cool people down there was very, it 130 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,840 was so LA, it was like one of the most LA experiences I've 131 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,360 ever had. But I think I think their heart 132 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,280 is mostly in the right place and I hope they do another one. 133 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,960 And Elijah would put on a very good but random DJ set. 134 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,080 So there was a fun way to run the. 135 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,480 Hard way from My Chemical Romance showed up which would 136 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,080 have been crazy for me. I was obsessed when I was like 137 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,040 12. Yeah, Gerard Ray was like, I 138 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,960 think one of the first people that rolled in and literally 139 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,200 went to a couple of booths, like bought everything, like took 140 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,480 some pictures and left, which is cool. 141 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,800 There was a bunch of random people like Blake, I don't know 142 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,840 what his real name is, but the curly haired guy from 143 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,840 Workaholics was there. Iffy and Waddy Way was there. 144 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,120 Yeah, from. Drop out. 145 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,280 Yep, he put on one of Witty's like little crop teas that was 146 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,160 way too small for him, but he's jacked as fuck. 147 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,680 So like it just looked good. It was interesting, made some 148 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,720 cool new friends. So so yeah, it was cool. 149 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,000 It was a good time. It was cool to have it bump 150 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,560 right up to Adepticon and Adepticon's at a weird time next 151 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,440 year. So we'll see what what happens 152 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,600 with that. I guess it's like 2 weeks later 153 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,080 than normal, but we'll. See, they're doing it in April 154 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,080 for some. Reason. 155 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,200 Which is, I mean, I'll still go, I'm not gonna not go. 156 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,160 It's just weird. Well, it's weird, but also like 157 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,440 I, I'm doing like 6 cons this year and I'm trying to do even 158 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,240 more next year. Going to see about that PTO. 159 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,400 But in March there's a ton of cons for some reason like Gary 160 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Con and stuff that are all over there, a little bit more TRPG 161 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,240 related. So now that might give me a 162 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,720 little wiggle room to be able to do that and then adopt Con. 163 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,120 We'll see how it goes, but I assume you're going to go to 164 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,800 adopt Con next year. Yeah, Adepticon, I'll always be 165 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,880 at as as many years as I can go My my friends always go and I 166 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,000 don't live too, too far from the the area, so it's an easy 1 to 167 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,040 get to you're. One of those, you're one of 168 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,120 those midwesters. Every time, every person I run 169 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,560 into at Adepticon, it's like, oh, I'm from Chicago and I'm 170 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,320 like, God damn it. Like why? 171 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,240 The West Coast is barren for a tabletop. 172 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:32,919 For the most part. So. 173 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,360 That's that's too bad. Yeah, it's funny. 174 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,080 I was talking to some people about it and I think it's 175 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,640 because people can just go outside like all year round 176 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,200 instead of being like stuck inside in in the cold months. 177 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,960 So they just do that and I'm like, well, I don't. 178 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,080 So I wish other people would just stay inside. 179 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,200 But snack 28, we played it the other day. 180 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,720 You ran, I think less demos, you said than the year before, but 181 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,280 you have a gorgeous board for it. 182 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,800 So for those that have not seen it yet, make sure you go back. 183 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,200 I'll make sure the Internet, there's links where, where you 184 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,800 think they are. Look where where things go, 185 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,080 people. But. 186 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,680 Trust you, use your brains you can find. 187 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:14,600 It yes you you, you are. This will not be your first 188 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,240 YouTube video. Click the links. 189 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,200 But for those that have not been initiated into the candy cult, 190 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:24,800 what is Snack 28 like? What makes Snack 28 Snack 28 to 191 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,840 you? Snack 28 is a game that I made 192 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,080 because I wanted something that was as violent as any other war 193 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,680 game but looked cute. So I feel like the cuteness 194 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,200 should not be separated from the violence. 195 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,320 That's very quintessential Snack 28. 196 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,720 But it's a game about people made out of food trying to 197 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:49,160 cannibalize each other. It's it's it's my favorite game 198 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,400 that I've ever made. It's also the only game that 199 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,360 I've ever made, but I put my whole heart and soul into it. 200 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,480 It's it's very low math. It's very like rules. 201 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,920 Easy because I don't. I, I don't live for the crunch. 202 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,200 I can't do complicated equations and shit like that. 203 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,720 It just doesn't work for me. But I wanted something that was 204 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,640 fun, had some random elements, had some strategy, but was 205 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,800 actually like, you can read the book within, like, you know, a 206 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,640 couple. You can read the rules within a 207 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,920 couple of minutes and get a basic idea of how it works. 208 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,960 Yeah, and it is. I mean it pretty much is 4 up 209 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,880 with a couple modifiers and move the monster around based on the 210 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,640 AI. And it was so much fun. 211 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:36,560 I Hunter when we played the other day had already made his 212 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:39,120 war band and I didn't mine's actually on my board in front of 213 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,480 me. I literally just use I had this 214 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,000 like dry erase board in front of me. 215 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,840 I literally created it right on stream. 216 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,520 It just wrote a couple things down on here and we were able to 217 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,120 hop in and play, which was which was really fun and easy. 218 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,560 And the monster it's make why? So what? 219 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:56,360 What made you want to put a Pve element into it? 220 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,680 Because that honestly might have been like my favorite part of 221 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:02,800 the game was the times where me and Hunter had to decide, OK, am 222 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,200 I gonna hit you or are we gonna work together, kill the monster 223 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,120 first or like, what are we? What are we doing? 224 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,280 So what made you want to put a Pve element into into the game? 225 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,880 Well, originally it was just because I wanted to paint and 226 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,840 design monsters. I had the thought that I would 227 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,760 use some of my. Like candy nights in the game, 228 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,800 they ended up being base size far too big for that to work, 229 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,320 and so that was pivoted. But. 230 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:35,840 The idea of PVPVE was really just because when you are like 231 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:41,440 starting a big war game like the first tabletop game that I 232 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,160 really. Tried to play was Warhammer and 233 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,800 that was a big mistake. It's too freaking. 234 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,840 It's it's a bad place to start, but. 235 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:55,280 It's hard to know like what you're the goal is in Warhammer, 236 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,720 Like who should I be attacking? Should I be prioritizing 237 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,240 objectives? But like if it's like, OK, 238 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,560 you've got three guys, they have three guys. 239 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:09,120 There is also a big threat that like adds just enough in my mind 240 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,400 like randomness and chaos so you can understand what all the 241 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,640 objectives are because the way you win always is by being the 242 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,440 last guy alive and the monster can win and your opponent can 243 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,880 win as well. But like that was just enough 244 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,320 variation to it that I was like, OK, that'll that'll have some 245 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:33,240 randomness, some like some some clarity in terms of the goal and 246 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,760 it'll be slightly different because I don't know a lot of 247 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:41,240 other PVPVE games. Also, I noticed that when like 248 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,720 when playing demos of games, I would usually be like at a 249 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:50,200 convention with like a group of people and usually I would walk 250 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,520 up and, and if I wanted to demo something, I had just like a 251 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,240 person standing with me watching the demo. 252 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,640 And like they would also be learning, but they wouldn't 253 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,040 actually be the 1 rolling the dice or anything. 254 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,920 But with snack, if you have a random person, they can just 255 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,440 they can just control the monster. 256 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,920 You can like if, if, if a parent or a pair of like, you know, 257 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,640 like a brother and sister or whatever are there, it's like, 258 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,600 yeah, you can play. How about you be the be the big 259 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,320 guy and try and kill your dad and like that's fun. 260 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:21,080 Yeah, no, I was just going to ask. 261 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,120 So do you, do you have a third person or do you play the 262 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,400 monster a bunch when you're doing it? 263 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,240 And would you with the third person, they can just do 264 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,040 whatever they want within the context of it's just another 265 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,640 character not following the AI, right? 266 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,440 Yeah, they can. I mean, I would still like go 267 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,200 over how the the monster typically works, but I mean 268 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,920 there's there's nothing that can convince. 269 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,880 Like a six year old not to cheat at a game. 270 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,280 We have one of our play testers who play tests with their kids 271 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,800 and he's like, yeah, you're not aware of the amount of cheating 272 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,360 that goes on in a game of Snack 28 in my house. 273 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,560 But we have a good time. And like that's the important 274 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:56,000 part. I'm not building this for 275 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,160 competitive play where people can like optimize, you know, 276 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,760 what snack they take. And it's silly, right? 277 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,600 If you're like, oh man, well, you got to take death by 278 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,040 chocolate and Baja blast and and all of these abilities like you 279 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,440 just sound, you sound. Silly saying if you're trying to 280 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,640 met a snack, 28 so. And it's funny because you named 281 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,760 like 2 of the abilities that that Hunter took. 282 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,320 He literally was hitting me with Baja Blast, which is like one of 283 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,560 my favorite things IRL. So it was, it's really funny the 284 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,080 way you put all that in when you're when you're making the 285 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,200 game. Do you 'cause they're a bunch of 286 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,440 monsters and you describe it as an asymmetric game, What did you 287 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,600 find more fun to do? Like create new characters to 288 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,200 play or as in like your miniatures and things? 289 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,800 Or creating new monsters to to eat the players. 290 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,080 I like the design aspect much more. 291 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,720 Drawing the pictures is fun. Having to figure out what they 292 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,280 do on the tabletop so that their ability is distinct from other 293 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,000 monsters abilities but also makes sense is a lot. 294 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:04,880 Harder like I. I had, I had talked with my 295 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,520 design team. I have my wonderful editor 296 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:13,000 Cameron, who's always helping me with stuff he's so good at, like 297 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,000 organizing things and and helping to. 298 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,560 Get set up for play testing and like running things through 299 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:25,000 things through and Cameron's partner G is like a real war 300 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,240 game strategist. So has that really like 301 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,160 analytical mind. The the two of them are great 302 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,720 for like just running an idea by and being like is this a real 303 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,400 idea or is this nothing? Because I had one monster that I 304 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,240 was going to try and do that was like a giant milk carton that 305 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,680 would slowly like leak milk in like a floor is lava situation 306 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,280 and slowly flood the board. And they were like, there's no 307 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,640 practical way. To flood a board with chocolate 308 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,720 milk that makes sense that you can easily write within the time 309 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,760 frame that you have. And I'm like, in my head, I was 310 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,440 visualizing it so clearly and then putting it in terms of 311 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,960 practicality. I was like, yeah, that does make 312 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,520 sense. Having to judge what height 313 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,360 you're at in a building constantly is not. 314 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,200 It's not in line with keeping snacks simple and like easy to 315 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,640 to just sort of roll up and go with. 316 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,720 But yeah, it's stuff like that where it's just like sometimes 317 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,080 I'll have a really cool idea for how something could work and 318 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,680 then in practicality, the like rules writing for it would be 319 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,680 really complicated or really difficult to keep track of. 320 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,200 So always designing the creature is more fun than having to 321 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,080 actually nail down the rules for them. 322 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,400 I think you could do a flooded thing though, but that might 323 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,000 need to be like its own specific board for demo purposes and 324 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,680 stuff like that. But that sounds awesome to have 325 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,680 to be like, all right. Like suddenly the board like 326 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,120 drops an inch and there's just like a brown like layer and it's 327 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,400 just like that's the milk ocean and your candy and cookies and 328 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,520 things. So you can't dip into the milk 329 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,079 or you're going to melt. And that's awesome. 330 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,079 Yeah. No, that's, that's, that's 331 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:10,640 awesome. It was a great idea, just 332 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,240 impossible for me to. Figure out how to accomplish in 333 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,079 a rules writing way in the time that I had because I really 334 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,760 wanted to get the the full expanded edition ready for Adept 335 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,520 to Con. And then what, what did you 336 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,839 expand on this edition versus like the the one you had last 337 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:28,280 year, anything like what is the, what is what, what makes this 338 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,600 one a little bit different? Yeah, so there's some new art in 339 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,760 there. There's five more. 340 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:38,480 Monsters and there's the mounted combat is like the new the new 341 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,640 thing because that isn't in the original 1. 342 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,280 There's a little bit more lore in there and then there's a 343 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,320 couple just like alternate play modes that people have been 344 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,880 asking for. They were like, oh man, what if 345 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,320 we had a battle Royale? Mode and I'm like. 346 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:56,800 Taking the monster out of the game kind of makes it less 347 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,960 snack, but if you want that, sure. 348 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,960 I mean like that's an easy scenario to write up and then 349 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,120 like. One of the alternate rules in 350 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:09,000 there is just adding fall damage because so many people have 351 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,640 encountered situations where they shove someone off of 352 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,080 something and they're like. Do I take damage for that? 353 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,640 And I'm like, rules as written, No, you don't. 354 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,640 But I do see how that could add fun to the game. 355 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,480 So if you want it, it's there. It's all about just sort of 356 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,360 adding stuff to it. But I hate when a game updates 357 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,440 and then it's like, oh man, all the rules that I worked so hard 358 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,160 to try and figure out how they work. 359 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,640 They don't matter anymore, it's all different. 360 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,800 So like none of the core rules of snack have changed, it's just 361 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,720 adding stuff in if you want to use it. 362 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,920 So wait a minute, you're not going to redo your rules 363 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,040 entirely every three years on a rotation so we can get to snack 364 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:53,160 28 tenth edition, 11th edition, we can go back to Snack again 365 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,240 for the 4th time or something. I'm going to do that. 366 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,800 I'm going to make sure that I do that. 367 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,000 It's going to cost more every time. 368 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,440 You're going to have to rebuy all of your codexes for all the 369 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,040 snacks and then I'm going to give you one hour long 370 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,080 presentation with 16 technical issues where I only announced 371 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,080 one cool mini. I think that will be really the 372 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:17,280 the best way for snack to go in the future. 373 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,680 And then you can just make that mini exactly the same as all the 374 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,320 previous minis, but just give it the head and the knees of like 375 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,720 the first edition of the minis. And then you're going to go. 376 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,480 And then people will go crazy. They'll be like, oh man, this is 377 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:35,360 just like Snack edition one. And I'll be like, yeah, it is. 378 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,600 And I'll just be like, at least it's not ultramarines or or 379 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,960 blueberries or whatever we're going to call this here. 380 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,120 So you're also you're, you are, you are sugar candy miniatures 381 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,280 and you had miniatures to sell. So on top of the game design 382 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,280 aspect, do you actually, do you make the miniatures? 383 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,680 Do you print the miniatures? Like how do how do your 384 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,560 miniatures happen? So I have a fantastic sculptor 385 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,400 that I hire. Mageworks, who digitally sculpts 386 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,480 them and then they're they're 3D prints like any other. 387 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,200 The ones that you can buy through Ramshackle games are 388 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,000 resin cast and they're really, really nice. 389 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,000 But I design them. I do all the concept work. 390 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,520 I send it over to Mageworks and then we work together adjusting 391 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,440 like little things, changing stuff here and there to make 392 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,960 sure that it gets translated from, from the 2D drawing to the 393 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,320 3D sculpt as much as possible. I have tried 3D sculpting before 394 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,040 and I hate it. I, I like a lot of sculpting is 395 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:41,160 you're kind of on a XYZ grid system and that is like putting 396 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,280 math into art for my brain. It doesn't work for me. 397 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,600 And fortunately I just, I found someone fantastic to work with 398 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,280 who, who does great work and I'm, I'm, I'm totally satisfied. 399 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,480 I see no reason to, to change that workflow. 400 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,600 I'm happy to pay someone to sculpt stuff and have it come 401 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,360 out perfect. Yeah, and they they look 402 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,240 incredible. Again, I'll show them off when 403 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,240 we're actually do the review. But you have some new characters 404 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,720 this year versus what you had last year. 405 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,680 So what for, for, for again, for those that have not yet seen the 406 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,800 book, what are some of the kind of characters that you have in 407 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,560 the game specifically? I mean, you have one that is 408 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,160 like the size of a toddler that you bring around, but what are 409 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,320 what are some of the characters and and even some of the 410 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,200 monsters as well that people can get to play with? 411 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,960 So the one the the big guy that I have his name is all sorts. 412 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,440 He's he's the mascot. He's he's my favorite character 413 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,080 that I've probably ever designed. 414 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,840 He's on the. The the the page. 415 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,520 He's the only one in color. There my camera's probably too 416 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,200 crappy to show it off, but he's just like a little cat bear 417 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:55,320 rabbit thing that has a funny little face that I drew and and 418 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,680 I love him. He's great. 419 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,360 People can have their own different little head cannons 420 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:04,080 about what his back story might because I didn't I didn't put 421 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:10,080 any of my like model characters in as as NPC's or anything like. 422 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,840 That, but I have my own little ideas for their backstories. 423 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,440 That maybe if campaign mode for snack 28. 424 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,320 Is is being worked on in the background? 425 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,960 Then then people might get to know a little bit more about 426 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,920 their backstories. In the future, which would be 427 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,040 fun, but for now? For now, there's nothing written 428 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,640 in stone. So so so. 429 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,120 But there might be a campaign mode at some point? 430 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:38,200 Is that what I just heard? Might. 431 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,200 Be a campaign mode. I had some good conversations 432 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,040 with people at Adapticon and I want to make sure that I'm 433 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,480 making stuff and people have have have asked for a campaign 434 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,240 mode. So that's that might just be 435 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,360 kind of cooking in the background and we'll see if that 436 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:58,760 goes anywhere. If it cooks, what what what? 437 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,840 What would what, What broad strokes are you thinking? 438 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,400 Bigger war bands? You're thinking cooler stuff 439 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,200 like what could. Kind of like RPG based I guess 440 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:16,080 is is the the best way but like I don't know if you are familiar 441 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,240 with Warhammer curse. City at all. 442 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,000 Not necessarily the nobody could buy it because the pre-order 443 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,520 system was terrible and then they dropped the coverage for 444 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,480 it. That's like the shitty. 445 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,720 Part of it, but the idea. Of of you being guys going 446 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,640 through a city infested with vampires is really cool. 447 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,840 That's a that's a cool idea of setting. 448 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,720 I like it and there are in the in the lore of Snack 28, there 449 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,800 are canonical vampires because vampires are just cool and I 450 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,480 like Castlevania and Vampire Hunter D. 451 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,880 So it would be more of like trying to figure out what's 452 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:02,320 going on in this in this in this castle of Vaughn appetit 453 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,600 vampires that exist in in the story and going through there. 454 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,400 More. Of like a sort of like explore 455 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,920 an area, defeat a specific monster and then there'd be some 456 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,760 kind of like power up system. Probably I'm talking with people 457 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,800 who are better at writing narrative campaigns than than I 458 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,640 am. Because, again. 459 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,560 The the rules part. Isn't where I feel I shine the 460 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,360 most, it's more in the ideas and and design aspect of it but not 461 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:31,800 the actual. Mechanics. 462 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,680 So just seeing how that would work, but it would it would be 463 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,480 kind of like discovering just a like fun little story to go 464 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,320 through and seeing if you could. Liberate a little town and and 465 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,400 take back maybe a part of the the Snack 28 world from from the 466 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,960 the vampires who are currently in control of it. 467 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,080 And you have. So I think I must have an older 468 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,760 version because in the one I have in my hands, you have my 469 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,880 new favorite character in here. But on my PDF I don't. 470 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,760 So I'm going to go to Itch right now and find that. 471 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,000 Yeah, the the PDF currently on. Itch It is the old version. 472 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,840 I'm launching the the digital updated version on the same day 473 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,160 that Snack 28 is officially published and out with the 474 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,920 flatulent and the fool. So you can buy it like the print 475 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,600 copies directly from them and the itch will get updated with 476 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,360 that latest version that's coming out on May 9th. 477 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,280 So the the the one online isn't up to date just yet. 478 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,440 But if your favorite character is the bat on the worm, like so 479 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,000 many other people's favorite, I've got, I've got the. 480 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,320 Let's this guy. Yeah, it won't. 481 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,320 It won't focus. There you go. 482 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,480 I saw a painted one. That the worm. 483 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,960 Yeah. The Worm. 484 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,320 Incredible. And then? 485 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,640 The bat ready to go. Too and you have multiple bat 486 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,560 miniatures because you have the I think they're what like 3 487 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,320 different ones? Aren't there two different 488 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,760 weapon ones and then a guy riding? 489 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,040 Or is it just the 1 weapon one and the guy riding? 490 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,160 There's 1 weapon one but he technically has there's one 491 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,960 where he has an actual. Like sculpted flag and one where 492 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,560 he just has the banner pole because I like making paper 493 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,800 flags. So I when I was designing the 494 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,240 mini, I told my sculptor, hey, can you do one with a flag and 495 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,600 one without just so I can make a paper banner? 496 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,280 And then it's like, yeah, other people might want to do that as 497 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,560 well. So but then he has a standing 498 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,280 variant where he has a cool hammer that is made to look like 499 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,800 those grandma. Strawberry candies. 500 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,640 So yeah, 'cause you can get. On and off the the mounts in the 501 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,200 game, so I wanted to make sure that anyone we had with a rider 502 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240 pose also just had like a standing pose so you can. 503 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,720 Paint both or. One or neither, whatever you 504 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,240 want. But I mean, I only design 505 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,040 miniatures that I really really want to paint, so I'm super hype 506 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,600 about all of them. They looking good. 507 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,720 I have the page up right now that has the original model 508 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,440 catalog with all sorts and crinkle and honey Bear and the 509 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,200 cupcake Colossus. And then for those when you go 510 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,320 get the new version of it, you now you added the roll cake 511 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,200 night on a hippocampus. You got licorice, my favorite on 512 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,920 the gummy worm. You got Professor Pork Chop. 513 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,480 What's Professor Pork Chop made of? 514 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,040 He's he's just a little pig. My editor Cameron was like there 515 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,400 should be a pig Kingdom in Snack 28 and really campaigned for a 516 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,000 pig. I'm painting mine to be mint 517 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,320 chocolate chip with a little doughnut hat. 518 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,120 And little like birthday cake candle explosives. 519 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,160 So Professor Pork Chop was just I suck at designing ranged 520 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,720 weapons because it's all either crossbows or guns really. 521 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,120 And I'm not good at drawing guns or crossbows. 522 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:01,040 So he has he has little candle molotovs that he can throw, 523 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,800 which is not only more fun, but way easier to draw. 524 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,640 And it's incredible. And then also in the book here, 525 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,080 we we touched on it briefly. The board that you made for this 526 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,800 is incredible. Like tell me about is a lot of 527 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,360 this 3D printed a lot of this like scratch built? 528 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,280 Like how did you make this board? 529 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,440 So the board is largely 3D printed just because I have 530 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,880 incredible friends. It's mostly the hagglethorn 531 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,840 hollow line of terrain and then a couple other. 532 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,040 There was like someone. Who made like a build your own 533 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,080 gingerbread house kid whose name escapes me right now, but that 534 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,000 was great. And then there's one, there's 535 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,040 one building that is from Mallifo. 536 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,320 They have like a lot of really cool terrain, but it's a real 537 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,760 pain in the ass has to build. So just just one manifold 538 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,360 building there. But it's all it's it's just 539 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,320 painted. To to look like. 540 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,200 It's made out of candy. I've got like a I've got, hang 541 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,880 on, I've got a little billboard right up here that I can show 542 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:12,720 you for Jelly Bean Junction. So that's just painted and then 543 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,040 I have on the other side play Snack 28. 544 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,720 So that was really fun to paint up. 545 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,320 But like the little walkways and stuff or just just pop sticks 546 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,200 that are are painted. And I love doing freehand. 547 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,800 That's that's my favorite part of painting. 548 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,120 So I did wood grain on all of them. 549 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,000 And at the time when I was sitting there painting wood 550 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,360 grain for like 1,000,000 hours, I was like, is this worth it? 551 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,320 And then so many people when I demoed it the first time were 552 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,680 like, all that wood grain looks sick. 553 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,040 And I'm like. Yes, that was worth it. 554 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,760 It got complimented so much. But yeah, it was just, I knew 555 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,680 that in order to like, sell the idea of the game, I needed to 556 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,880 have a. Board that people could just 557 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,280 look at and immediately know like, OK, this is Candyland. 558 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,320 Like this is not, this is not Trench Crusade. 559 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,720 This is not any like Warhammer setting. 560 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,960 Like it's its own setting. It's its own thing. 561 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,200 It's its own vibe. And that was like, I knew that 562 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,360 was a really important aspect because the first year that I 563 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,880 entered one of my ice cream nights. 564 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,040 In Golden Demon, when I was just pulling it out to show like a 565 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,240 friend while I was waiting for the the, the thing to open up so 566 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,600 you could drop things off, like four or five people came up to 567 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,680 me and we're like strangers were like, oh, that's really sick. 568 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,280 What is that? And I was like, OK, so there's 569 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,560 something there that's grabbing attention. 570 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,960 So if I want people to notice this, having a board that is 571 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,720 done up the same way, it's the same level of like not quite the 572 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,280 same level of detail because you know, it's terrain, but like a 573 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,760 similar level of, of, of spectacle that will pull people 574 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,000 in is going to be really important for people having a 575 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,320 good time. And also, frankly, I really love 576 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,560 the spreads in like codexes and White Dwarf and stuff like that 577 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,400 where there is an immersive board. 578 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,400 It really, it hits different when you see something and it's 579 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,560 like, oh, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. 580 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,480 So I wanted that for myself as well. 581 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,480 Yeah, no, yeah. I mean, scatter train on a 582 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,760 neoprene mat is fine to play a game, but when you can roll up 583 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,440 to something that is like, it feels like the world, it 584 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,680 definitely makes a huge difference. 585 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,120 And then and you're the the touches that you have on your 586 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,800 board. First of all, the fucking the 587 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,200 thing that got me immediately was the upset on Candy Cohen is 588 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,080 like the top of the tower that instantaneously like puts you 589 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,360 into the world. But then when you look at like 590 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800 the fine details, you can see even just from this image, the 591 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,200 the candy cane corners, the cookie window shades, the icing 592 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,400 like on the on the corners of the building for like the 593 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,440 gingerbread stuff. And then just like the color 594 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,560 scheme you pick like it just screams like cotton candy and 595 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,600 icing and frosting and and stuff. 596 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,600 It's just it's incredible. I mean, from across the room, 597 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,600 especially at a place like Adepticon, where, as you said, 598 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,040 you know, everyone around you is probably playing Nekromundo or a 599 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,240 trench crusade or like grim gritty shit in the whatever 600 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360 century. And then you just see this like 601 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,520 frosting covered bore rolling through with like a giant 602 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,320 cupcake on the middle. It your brain just like 603 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,000 immediately does like a, like a spit take, you know, and you're 604 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,280 like, I have to know what the fuck's going on here, you know? 605 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,280 Yeah, when I was demoing last year, they. 606 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,160 Put me in, Well, they didn't put me in, to be fair, My friend 607 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,160 Tom, who has incredible, incredible Mordheim boards. 608 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,720 I talked about wanting to demo a game and he was like, well, I've 609 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,120 got a little bit of extra space on my table. 610 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,160 How much room does your game take up? 611 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,760 And I was like, oh, it's two by two. 612 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,880 Like I wanted something that wasn't just called like kitchen 613 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,480 table, but actually could fit on a standard kitchen table with 614 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,600 room for you to have your drink and your dice and your snacks 615 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,840 and play a game. And two by two was the perfect. 616 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,840 Size for that. So he was like, yeah, just come 617 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,600 set it up, whatever they put us in. 618 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,440 The Trench Crusade room. We were demoing in the Trench 619 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,320 Crusade room and I was so mortified when I found out. 620 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,400 I was like, Oh no, this is the worst place that I could be. 621 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,360 No one's going to like this here. 622 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,600 But then I ended up making friends with like all of the 623 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,520 people who are demoing Trench Crusade. 624 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:23,280 I don't know if you know Sammy and Jared and like a couple, I 625 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,240 think. I think Caleb was there too. 626 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,080 But like so many people were just coming up like in between 627 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,480 their Trench Crusade games and being like, what is this? 628 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,240 What's going on here? This is different. 629 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,400 I saw this that I had. To know what it was. 630 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,680 So that was really cool. And that was eye opening for me 631 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,960 about my own like assumptions because it's, it's a little. 632 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,880 Scary to be like, hey my indie game is an indie game. 633 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,800 I swear it has violence, but it doesn't look like any of the 634 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,280 other indie games. But that that ended up being a 635 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,640 huge asset because people were just psyched about it. 636 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,760 And a lot of people, their feedback has been my partner 637 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,960 will actually play this one with me or my partner saw like one of 638 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,560 the miniatures that I had or saw the cover and was like. 639 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,000 OK, I'll try this game with you. And that wasn't something that 640 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,920 like I had thought would happen, but it was something that went 641 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,400 into the design. Where I was like. 642 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,120 OK, people who aren't like the typical gamer should be able to 643 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,280 just look at the character creation page. 644 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,120 Read through it and not have any questions about making a 645 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,719 character. And it's like for making a 646 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,280 character, you choose three things. 647 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,080 There's no math involved. There's like. 648 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,000 People are like, why does this not cost anything in coins or 649 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,600 equipment? And I'm like, because I don't 650 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,920 want to do the math. Because math isn't fun. 651 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,280 Making a more time war band is not fun to me because I have to 652 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,239 do math. With this, I have to choose 653 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,520 three things. I can get it done in 10 minutes 654 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,000 at most. You know, like it's, it's not a 655 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,120 problem. So just hearing that and and 656 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,000 having people's partners actually play snack 28 with them 657 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,760 or paint the miniatures with them is super cool feedback to 658 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,160 hear. I'm I'm always so happy about 659 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,440 that. Yeah, I mean, as you said, 660 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,640 people that are like the partners of the people that are 661 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,040 in the Trench Crusade room, but also parents and kids and stuff 662 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,920 that you said were were coming through and playing it. 663 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,120 And it's also I think the only scrimmage game I played with 664 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,280 cannibalism in it. So like you definitely do have 665 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,160 you definitely do some violence in there. 666 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,440 Like you definitely you're still shooting people. 667 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,240 Like I had my miniature had this giant Gatling on. 668 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,560 I was just like, I'm just blasting sprinkles at you for 669 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,560 like 2 actions and then I'll just like hop down and try to 670 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,000 eat you. A hunter ended up eating the the 671 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,800 marshmallow monster, which was which was cool. 672 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,440 I'll throw that up on here real quick. 673 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,200 So looking at some of the monsters, you got the mint 674 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,200 chocolate popsicle frog guy here in the back. 675 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,640 You got the this is who we played with on ours, the 676 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,600 marshmallow monster with their two passive ingredients. 677 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,960 I love the the burnt to a crisp, which makes sense. 678 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,640 The guy's on fire. So if you start in base to base 679 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,760 contact, you're just on fire. The ginger Snapdragon and then 680 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,960 the one the, I would say the other kind of like mascot 681 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,120 character in my head for Snack 28. 682 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,320 It's all sorts. And the cupcake colossus. 683 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,120 Yeah, and it's people. Really. 684 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,600 People really like him? Let me grab him. 685 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,280 I have all of my snack 28 miniatures on a shelf nearby so 686 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:22,840 I can show off OK. Yeah, here he is. 687 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,040 He's beautiful. I love him. 688 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,920 He's such a little guy, he is. He's got his handles. 689 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,080 He is indeed a little guy and your painting is incredible. 690 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,360 Like you. You really? 691 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,680 Thank you. Make things look like desserts, 692 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,720 which is the point, but also they're they're really fantastic 693 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:44,880 and obviously with your with your ice cream nights too. 694 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,200 So. Yeah. 695 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,200 I guess. I guess I usually do this in the 696 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680 beginning, but we'll wind back a little bit farther. 697 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,880 So what got you into skirmish and wargaming in the 1st place? 698 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,080 And how did that turn into ice cream nights? 699 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,080 Like why so much dessert options? 700 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,000 Well, that the why so much dessert is it's just because 701 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,720 it's it's the aesthetic that. I like, I mean, you can see the 702 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,520 room. It's, it's painted pink. 703 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,160 You can't see them, but they're like pictures and art and stuff 704 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,160 of ice cream on the walls. I've always been. 705 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,240 Drawn little candy, guys. That's just, it's just the 706 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:23,040 aesthetic that I enjoy it. Like it's no different from I 707 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,640 assume most indie games or or war games draw from like people. 708 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:33,080 'S love of like the the war aesthetics or like black metal 709 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,840 album aesthetics that they like It's it's literally. 710 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:42,040 No different than that. But I think I got into Warhammer 711 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,400 mostly during COVID. I was just like something to do. 712 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,400 Had been playing D&D for a little while. 713 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,760 And I mean, you, you show me a little tiny guy and I'm like, 714 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,000 yeah, OK, I want to know how to paint the little tiny guy. 715 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,760 So I went to learn to paint. Night at my local game store and 716 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,120 I painted like one of those whiz kid miniatures and I was like OK 717 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,480 this is sick. Actually, I really enjoy doing 718 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,720 this. And then I just wanted goblins 719 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:19,160 and and orcs for my D&D monsters and. 720 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:27,600 At the time the the runt herder like squig guy from from 721 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:33,680 Warhammer 40K that box was cheaper than buying individual 722 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,280 little like whiz kids orcs miniatures. 723 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,200 And I thought the goblins were orcs. 724 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600 I did not know a. Lot about Warhammer at the time, 725 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,880 so I kept calling the grots in their orcs. 726 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,560 But I was like, oh, this is a good value. 727 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,240 You know, there's like there's like 10 guys in here and it's 728 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,600 like, I don't know, like 20 bucks or something like that. 729 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,000 And then I get home and I open it and there aren't little guys 730 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,360 in there. There's actually just a sprue. 731 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,120 And I'm like, oh, OK, this is this is different. 732 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,960 So I took to YouTube and started started getting into it. 733 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,320 Started watching like Goobertown Hobbies. 734 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,960 And and and miscast and like all the other hobby Youtubers and 735 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,800 stuff like that. And I was like, oh, this is like 736 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,160 a whole big cool world. So it was just it was just from 737 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,320 there. But yeah, painting DND 738 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,800 miniatures and then learning that there were there were tons 739 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,160 of other games and and stuff like that. 740 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,960 I tried to learn Warhammer. I think the. 741 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,680 Spectacle of an army is so cool but it's it's just not for me. 742 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,800 I don't like the actual game itself. 743 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,720 It's one of those. So I'm I'm in the process of 744 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:44,240 putting together a night Lords horse heresy army and I know 745 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,600 that I am going to play the game like twice with a friend and 746 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,720 then never do anything again. But like I want the experience 747 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,760 of having like 80 painted dudes like on the board but skirmish 748 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,080 is definitely singing in my brain. 749 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,760 But when I started it was fucking goblins too. 750 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,880 If you could see the crates of like the whiz kids. 751 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,360 I used to be able to name every model, model number from all 752 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,720 like 13 different lines they put out because I have like 90% of 753 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:13,800 them. Because I started with oh, I'm 754 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,600 running a campaign for friend or I'm running a game for friends. 755 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,680 Because I started playing D&D in 2014. 756 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,800 At the start I said I just need 5 goblins and some of five 757 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,320 goblins became like 1000 little guys in boxes in my closet. 758 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,000 But trust me, it never starts with just goblins. 759 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,160 Guys, if you get goblins, you're going to keep going. 760 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,040 But but, yeah, back then I was like, I'm just going to, I knew 761 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,520 what Warhammer was once I kind of got into D&D and was like, I 762 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,560 can't get into Warhammer because it's going to be too expensive. 763 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,040 And then I got into tabletop games and was like, I just spent 764 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,080 the money somewhere else and made no fucking difference. 765 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,320 But yeah, yeah, I think the spectacle, yeah. 766 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,720 Being able to field 3000 points will feel really cool while I'm 767 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,160 setting it up. And then five hours into the 768 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,440 game when I still have no idea what's going on, I feel like 769 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,040 it's going to feel less cool. But at least I'll have done it. 770 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,120 And that's that's where I'm at. I feel so bad. 771 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,640 I want my ice cream nights to see battle someday. 772 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,800 I just don't. Want to be. 773 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,120 I don't want to get in the robot Shinji. 774 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,600 I do not want to be piloting them like they're beautiful and 775 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,600 they deserve to be seen, but I am not the person to take them 776 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,400 into battle. Absolutely not. 777 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,920 It's not for me. I can't even imagine how many 778 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,760 points you need to have in opposing armies to be able to 779 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,360 field a couple of of nights like that. 780 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,200 It's not going to be like a small. 781 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,800 No, it's going to be big because I've got, I've got. 782 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,320 Three of the big ones and. Four of the baby ones and they 783 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,960 put out a new pattern, chassis, whatever the a new kit for a 784 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,560 different night that's basically the same but slightly different 785 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,640 and I'm like hell yeah, now I have an excuse to buy a fourth 786 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,720 big guy. It's so funny to me that I can 787 00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,960 imagine your mini shelf being like Cupcake guy, all sorts Guy, 788 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,040 Licorice, Bat Guy, 7 Warhammer Nights painted like ice cream, 789 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,160 like, yeah. That's that's not inaccurate to 790 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,320 how it is. My nearest display cabinet has 791 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:20,600 all of my Knights in it and then it has like another shelf that 792 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,600 has like a lot of miniatures that friends gave me or that 793 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,560 like I built for a specific game. 794 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,880 And then the bottom shelf is like this collaborative clown 795 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:38,560 themed gloomspike gets army that like I I've made with a bunch of 796 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,920 other Youtubers and friends as like a, a pride thing just to 797 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,000 like paint a weird army. So every model is painted by 798 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,480 like a different person. And I didn't expect so many 799 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,840 people to be into it. And now I have this army and I 800 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,600 never started that project with like a purpose of what to to do 801 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,880 with it. At the end. 802 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,600 I just wanted to make something weird for Pride because 803 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,920 everybody was just sort of painting like rainbow flag 804 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,520 stuff, which is cool. But I was like, well, I'm queer 805 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,440 and I like clowns and stuff, so let's do that. 806 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,600 And then friends were into it. But I have like, yeah, I think I 807 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,800 have a full 2000. Points just about unclean spike. 808 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,840 It's that I don't, I don't know what to do with. 809 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,240 I should have had a plan for that and I didn't. 810 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,200 I didn't at all. You just have a bunch of cool 811 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,040 guys and that's cool. Wasn't wasn't there some was it 812 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,680 this year that there was some clown controversy someone wasn't 813 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,040 allowed to put in like their Necromunda clowns or some 814 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,200 bullshit? Yeah, I think so. 815 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,080 I mean, I, I got disqualified from Golden Demon last year, and 816 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,160 I can show you. I can show you the boy that I 817 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,120 got disqualified. He's not technically an Imperial 818 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,320 Knight. He's some Horus Heresy guy. 819 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,600 I don't remember his technical name. 820 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,440 Look at him. He's such a friend. 821 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,480 Why would you disqualify this boy? 822 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,400 He's beautiful. He did nothing. 823 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,960 Wrong. What? 824 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,440 What did they say was disqualifying about it? 825 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,480 They did not. They simply didn't. 826 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,520 They did not give me a reason. They were like, unfortunately we 827 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,960 cannot, we cannot have him. So they pulled him from the 828 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,200 case. But that's OK. 829 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,760 He tried his best and that's really all he could do. 830 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:18,360 I named him Short Stack, like a short stack of pancakes, and 831 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,960 he's beautiful. I love him. 832 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,800 That's awful that they couldn't even like write something down 833 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,040 because if they had like written something on A tag I would just 834 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,920 make sure I kept that tag forever because I think getting 835 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,040 a little DQ tag would be just as good as a fucking pin from 836 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,000 Golden Demon in my opinion. Well, it was, it's really 837 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,040 perplexing because they've allowed my work every other year 838 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,440 besides that year. So I was like, I don't know what 839 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,440 to change about what it is like what? 840 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,000 Was the differentiating factor in this one as opposed to the 841 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,960 other. Ones because a lot of people 842 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,840 have told me that they look for by miniatures in the case they 843 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,800 want to see them. Every year. 844 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,480 So it's like I didn't enter anything this year because I was 845 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,560 too busy working on snack. But if I knew what aspect it was 846 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,760 that that made them go, no, we actually can't with this one, 847 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,560 then I could just not do that on a future project and make sure 848 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,840 it stays in the case. But. 849 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,080 Which is why they should tell you because you don't want to 850 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,400 waste your not waste your time because short SEC is very cool. 851 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,920 But you don't want to spend your time with the goal in mind of 852 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,640 being putting in a golden demon and then getting there and then 853 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,040 being like, sorry, no, but we're not going to tell you why. 854 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,280 Good luck in the future. Like that's some bullshit right 855 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,600 there. Yeah, everybody was way angrier 856 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,680 about it than I was last year, but I was so exhausted from 857 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,840 running Snack 28 demos that I could barely care about it. 858 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,880 They were like. We looked for your miniature in 859 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,520 the case and we didn't see it and I'm like. 860 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,000 I entered it in there and then eventually I got the chance to 861 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,720 go by and I was like, oh, I guess it's not there. 862 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,640 And then I asked the guy and he was like, yeah, they they said 863 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,680 no. And I was like, OK, you know how 864 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,160 it is towards the end of Adepticon, you're just so tired. 865 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,760 Like you're so happy to be there and see your friends and stuff, 866 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,560 but you are your, your brain is not right. 867 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,560 It's exhausted. And did you feel like you had 868 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,760 that less this year because your demo was more kind of 869 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,440 structured? Because I think the previous 870 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,760 year you said you were just kind of running around doing the demo 871 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,480 everywhere, all day, the entire time, right? 872 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:23,320 Yeah, last year I did demos for basically a full day and then 873 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,320 people kept wanting them so I did them the day after as well. 874 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,720 This year I'm I'm proud to say I ran 0 demos of Snack 20. 8 875 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,800 Because I was like, let me just see where my brain is AT and if 876 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,520 I feel like I could run a demo and have it go well and. 877 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,920 I was just having too much fun. I was doing very well selling my 878 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,760 Snack 28 stuff anyway and I had a painting class to teach and 879 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,680 that went super well so I was I was happy enough with that. 880 00:46:54,040 --> 00:47:00,200 I would love to find a way to demo Snack 28 that doesn't kill 881 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,320 my brain. Because I know people want to 882 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,920 try it out and play it and see the board, but I need to figure 883 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,360 out what that balance is. And that might just be drafting 884 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,760 friends to help me run demos. I think that's probably what 885 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,480 what it is going to end up being that that that might just be 886 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,560 like the con environment and running demos is not something 887 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,360 that that I can handle well. So that might be looking 888 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,960 forward, like going forward, the way to the way to do Snack 28 889 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,480 demos, which sucks. You want to play with the 890 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,080 creator, but if my brain isn't there, there's no point. 891 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,760 Yeah, but I mean, even if you just structure a little better 892 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,120 where you're like, I'm only going to do like an hour of 893 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,880 demos a day, get two or three games in at most and and sorry, 894 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,240 the board is in the room. I'm not in the room. 895 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:42,960 We're not doing it. Kind of thing, yeah. 896 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,280 So. Because I was randomly running 897 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,920 mine too. And it's not like it ran it a 898 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,760 ton. I probably ran it maybe maybe 899 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,600 like 10 or 15 times. And there were also times where 900 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,280 people were like, oh, like your box is cool, let's play it. 901 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,840 I'm like, give me, let me sit down for like 45 minutes and 902 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,640 I'll come grab you because my game doesn't take nearly long. 903 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,160 It takes like 20-30 minutes, but even then, like I can't imagine 904 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,600 running it for an entire day. Like my brain would definitely 905 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,840 be fucking toasted. My throat would be gone. 906 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,640 Like a saying once again, no like 6 inches and then you shoot 907 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,760 the guy. But but yeah, I think the 908 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,200 structure could help a ton. But also like the game is super 909 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,680 fun and I'm sure your friends would be happy to to run it for 910 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,520 you so. Yeah. 911 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,560 The goal for next year is to hopefully have snack 28 in a 912 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,360 booth at some capacity. Whether that is. 913 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,440 Like it just the Zen itself being sold in a booth, whether 914 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,160 it is sharing a booth with somebody else. 915 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,600 You're trying to get Snack 28. It's its own booth, but that is. 916 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,920 That's the next. Step that I'm hoping to take 917 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,080 with snack 28 at adapter con and it would be really sick to have 918 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,440 my own booth, but I don't know if the adapter con people will 919 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,680 be like yes or no. So we got to got to wait and 920 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,720 see. I think it would be good because 921 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:58,960 orc or I feel like ORC, the brand also has something that is 922 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,360 a little bit like, you know, a a a 90° from the normal stuff. 923 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,280 And theirs is also kind of, I don't want to call it cutesy, 924 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,760 but like the guys are fucking adorable. 925 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,960 Like they're they're little dude. 926 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,320 It's called. Battle friends or monster 927 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,280 friends Battle for New Florida. It's called monster Friends. 928 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,680 They're friends. They're cute. 929 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,040 Yeah, they're adorable. Tyler. 930 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,400 Tyler's great. My first. 931 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,080 Priority. The minis are incredible, but my 932 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,120 first priority of stuff I wanted to buy at Adepticon, I was like 933 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,680 everybody. Back the fuck off that pom pom 934 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,520 purin. I'm just here to make friends. 935 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,840 Shirt is mine I. Was like, that's my favorite 936 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,280 Sanrio guy and they put him on a on a shirt that people think is 937 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,880 cool. I got to get that. 938 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,040 Yeah, I my bags got full immediately at Adepticon, so I 939 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,880 didn't snag the minis there, but I knew they're going to brain 940 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,240 dead fest. So I was able to snag everything 941 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,520 but like the biggest like troll dude. 942 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,760 So I'm gonna have to wait for the website for that. 943 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,920 But I did get the little Penguin guy and and all the stuff. 944 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,160 I'm going to make a cauldron war band and some other stuff with 945 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,960 those with those guys. And then they said the alpha of 946 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,720 the game is coming out. So that'll be super fun to play 947 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,560 with. But, but Speaking of Snack 28 in 948 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,120 the future, you said that Snack 20 is going to be released and 949 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,240 available. So how, how, how is that? 950 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:12,840 What? What? 951 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:18,160 How? Literally just me trying to 952 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,120 follow through on my New Year's resolution was to e-mail a 953 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:26,200 couple people in publishing. And by a few people in 954 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,480 publishing, I mean like people. That were Instagram mutuals that 955 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,960 were very much like we published small games and stuff like that 956 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,560 and just see if they were interested. 957 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,360 And I got 2 no's, which is fine, genuinely fine. 958 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,160 People are like, this is a really great thing. 959 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,080 It's just like we're not taking on new games right now or this 960 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,600 isn't quite the right fit for for where we're at, but somebody 961 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,160 is going to is going to want this. 962 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,920 And then the third, third person that I reached out to was the 963 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,640 flatulent and the fool Shane. And mostly I just did that 964 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,480 because his little grub logo looked friendly and I was like 965 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,200 the, well, the. Caterpillar is very happy to be 966 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,560 printing things, so maybe the person behind it will also be 967 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,880 nice and happy to print things and. 968 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,280 Yeah, we just got to talking. Shane was like, yeah, I like 969 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,600 your game. I'm mostly like, I haven't even 970 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,840 really read the rules. I just like the art and I'm 971 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,880 really interested in art forward game. 972 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,800 So yeah, this is this is perfect for us, so. 973 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,760 I've wanted to be a published author ever since I was tiny and 974 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,360 realized that they're the people who wrote books were like real 975 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,240 people. And you could do that as as a 976 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:40,680 job. So I mean, a self-publishing on 977 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,760 it is one thing, but honestly, I'm very emotional about the 978 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,320 fact that my, my. Book is going to be a thing that 979 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,600 you can like either buy. Online or request through your 980 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,520 through your local game store and, and stuff like that and 981 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,280 it's going to exist and people can get it and play it and have 982 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,360 a fun time with it. And that's incredibly exciting 983 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,120 for me. I can't wait. 984 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,880 I've, I've been super excited about this. 985 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,240 I've worked really, really hard to try and make sure that it's 986 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:08,120 the best possible version that it could be. 987 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,640 And I hope people like it when they when they can get it. 988 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,320 Well, I like mine and I was able to get it. 989 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,080 And play it and we're. Going to talk about it. 990 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:19,560 So that's at least you've got one, you've got at least one 991 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,680 right now and then I'm sure many more will follow. 992 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,320 I mean, you know everyone that I mean, you sold out of the game. 993 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,680 How many? How many copies did you have at 994 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,280 adoption? I had 50 copies, which was just 995 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,760 what I could afford to get. Printed and I was like, I don't 996 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,320 think I'll be able to. Sell all of them. 997 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,920 I kept one for myself. I gave 1 to a friend and I 998 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:46,000 traded 1, so I sold. 47 copies for money at the asking price 999 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,920 that my publisher told me to ask for, which I thought I was 1000 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,400 worried was too high. It's $25. 1001 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,960 And I was like, I don't know if. And and Shane was like, no, this 1002 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,640 is this is what? People charge for obscene games 1003 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,960 and yours has a lot of cool art and color and stuff in it. 1004 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,320 It's fine. So yeah, and I, I, I sold out of 1005 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,360 them by before the end of swap night on on Friday, which. 1006 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,400 Was crazy there were. I did not bring enough copies 1007 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,920 for as many people as one of them, but it was it was what I 1008 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,080 could afford. I sold out of all of the bat. 1009 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,080 On a worm miniature that was that was the big popular guy. 1010 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,760 It's it's always funny to me that. 1011 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,280 Like all sorts. Who is my favorite of the 1012 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,400 characters that I've designed has never been the most popular 1013 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,520 one. People like Crinkle and the 1014 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,080 honey Bear Berserker much more in the first release, and people 1015 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,120 like Bat on a Worm much more in the second release. 1016 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,800 Yeah. Yeah, I would say. 1017 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,600 Whose favorite? Whose favorite Disney character 1018 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,160 is actually Mickey Mouse, though, if you think about it 1019 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,640 like nobody's. You're right, just maybe because 1020 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,440 he's so ever present, like he he's not real. 1021 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,440 I don't know. I don't even I don't what I 1022 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,080 think of Mickey. I just think all of Disney he's 1023 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,600 just an extension of as opposed to its own individual thing. 1024 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,480 So I guess it makes sense. But I will say, like I think the 1025 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,560 original character for me was definitely all sorts, was the 1026 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,120 best, my favorite character. But now obviously Licorice is my 1027 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,600 because I'm just an edge Lord piece of shit. 1028 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,800 Of course, like the bat is going to be the one that I like. 1029 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,560 And I will say I think I might have got the first copy when you 1030 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,640 were selling them and you did sign it and you did draw a 1031 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,120 little picture of Licorice here for me. 1032 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,480 So it's all a little sketch in there. 1033 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,840 So yeah. Yeah, I was asking people like 1034 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,920 what their favorite Snack 28 characters were if they had one 1035 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,960 so I could I could draw because I, I, I feel like that's just a 1036 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,520 nice thing to do when you sign a book. 1037 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,520 I stole that from. Sean Sutter from Relic Blade, 1038 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,120 who always draws these incredible pictures in the in 1039 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,760 the covers when you buy a copy at at like. 1040 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,360 A con or something so. They look great. 1041 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,160 That's awesome and be an artist. That's going to be cool. 1042 00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,240 Someone asked me to sign one of the books that I was just like 1043 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:03,400 giving away and I was like, I don't know what I would fucking 1044 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,320 say and I have no signature so I'll scribble the yeehaw in 1045 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,040 here, but I'm not doing this again. 1046 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,560 No, for all future things. We are not My color balance went 1047 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,400 to shit. This is white, but but yeah, so 1048 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,160 that's so So the future Snack 28 is, I'm sorry, where will people 1049 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,680 be able to find this book then that you're putting out? 1050 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,320 Yeah, so if they want it digital, it's still going to be 1051 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,680 on my itch. You can still get it for pay 1052 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,440 What you. Want I'm very dedicated to 1053 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,440 making snack 28 as free as possible as long as possible 1054 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,400 because the world sucks and. Frankly, people keep paying for 1055 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,280 it anyway. Like I have made more money than 1056 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,800 I expected to off Snack 28, a game that is completely free. 1057 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,520 If you want it to be free on itch. 1058 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,360 So that's insanely wild to me. Thank you to anyone who's ever 1059 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,400 bought a copy. The money from Snack has either 1060 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,120 gone back into making snack miniatures paying. 1061 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,040 Cat. Vet bills or like getting home 1062 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,280 improvements done that I desperately needed. 1063 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,960 Like this is it. It's literally supporting me 1064 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,200 getting stuff done for my my adorable 3 cats that I love and 1065 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,240 our terrors. But like, that's so cool that 1066 00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:15,560 people are just like, yeah, this is free, but this artist 1067 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:16,800 deserves money for it. So here. 1068 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,200 There's like 5 bucks, 10 bucks, whatever, but if they want the 1069 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,960 physical printed edition that is going to be available from the 1070 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,480 flatulent and the. Fool. 1071 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,320 And they are also. And I think it's like the 1072 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,520 flatulent and the fool. Dot com I'll be able to link it 1073 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,640 on my itch and I'll I'll have it on my socials. 1074 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,680 If you follow Sugar Candy Miniatures on on Instagram, 1075 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,240 it'll be up. There, but that'll be there. 1076 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,240 And they have a distributor, so if your local game store is 1077 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:49,320 cool, you can try requesting it through there. 1078 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,040 They may be able to order it, they may not. 1079 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,720 I don't have full knowledge of how that works, but. 1080 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,760 Hopefully it'll be in a couple cool local game stores soon as 1081 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,080 well. Yeah. 1082 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,240 So whenever do you know if the website's up now or is he still 1083 00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:04,600 in the process of getting that up and running? 1084 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,240 I think he's still in the process, but I'm not sure I I 1085 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:11,920 should really check in. All I know is May 9th is is the 1086 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,800 date that it's going to go live. I don't know that the the 1087 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,480 website has officially launched or anything yet, but that is 1088 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,040 that is going to be where you can get it. 1089 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,200 Cool. So if you're, if you're watching 1090 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,640 as soon as that link is available, I will try to 1091 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,200 remember to put it in the description below. 1092 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,400 And if you're watching this and it's not below, leave a comment 1093 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,280 or remind me to put that description in the link below 1094 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,920 because I will not remember this by May 9th, but I'll do my 1095 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,560 darndest. But on top of that future 1096 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,680 website where we're going to link everything to where can 1097 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,240 people find all of your things? I know you said Instagram and 1098 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,840 things like that, but what are what are your, where are you? 1099 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,840 Where are you on the Internet? Yeah, I'm mostly on Instagram. 1100 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,080 Sugar Candy Miniatures is the the username. 1101 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,000 If you see a little logo of a tiny little alien eating 1102 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,800 popcorn, that's me. And then all of my stuff is itch 1103 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,680 dot IO. If you search Snack 28, Snak 28, 1104 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,960 it'll come up. That's me that all I've got up 1105 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,200 there is snack 28 and then because my cat got sick, I 1106 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,120 started selling the bat on the worm model early. 1107 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,240 So a lot of people bought that to help fund his bet vet bills. 1108 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:28,040 But all of the miniatures for the the the new release will be 1109 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,120 up there. On May 9th along with the 1110 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,920 updated edition. So that's all. 1111 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,760 That's all that'll be online. Very cool fiber. 1112 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,640 I just want to thank you so much for coming on the show. 1113 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,320 It was awesome meeting you at Adepticon. 1114 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,400 And hopefully in the future, maybe new releases, campaign 1115 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,560 drops, whatever, and maybe, maybe something we might be 1116 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,040 working on a little bit. Yeah. 1117 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,840 Something between the two of us. What could it possibly be? 1118 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,280 Is Snack 28 gonna gonna have a little cowboy? 1119 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,320 Are we gonna have Cowboys and Snack 28? 1120 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,560 We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see. We'll see for the people out 1121 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,400 there, but there's a good chance that maybe Fiverr will be back 1122 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,200 and, and we'll we'll show a little something. 1123 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,640 And if you're watching this also sometime next week, watch the 1124 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,800 review because that'll be fun. And if it's two weeks from now, 1125 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,400 watch a previous episode with that, we'll have a snack 28 1126 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,680 review on it. But thank you so much for coming 1127 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:21,920 on. Let's not make this last time 1128 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,120 you were here, and I just really appreciate getting a chance to 1129 00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,320 talk with you. Yeah, I'd love to come back. 1130 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,280 Thank you for having me of. Course. 1131 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,880 So that's gonna be us for today. We will see all of you later. 1132 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,000 Bye. Bye.