1 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,800 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,360 My name is Ryan and joining me today are two very special and 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,560 overdue guests. That is John and Bri of 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,320 Breitbart Games. How you guys doing this morning? 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,440 Doing great. Thanks for having us. 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,360 Yeah, absolutely. As I said, overdue. 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,680 It's, I mean, we've had we've had Emily on a bunch. 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,720 You guys did miss the time when you were supposed to be here and 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,720 then it took us months to finally get you here. 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:43,640 But yeah, nice to finally, nice to finally have you and and 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,800 welcome. So for for those that might not 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,520 know who the heck Breitbart John and Bri are, who who the heck is 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,960 Breitbart games? What might people know you for? 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,040 I think the easiest answer to this one is you probably have 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,160 seen the Axolotl with a gun. And if you have seen the axolotl 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,280 with a gun, you know us and our games. 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,240 He is a horrible little guy with cute metal regenerating powers, 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,560 a big old gun and cute hobbies because it's important to have 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,920 hobbies even when you're fighting robots in in magical 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,520 wetlands. So yeah, we make a lot of kind 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,440 of fun, funky, whimsical one shot and short games and then 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,080 also a bunch of like esoteric journaling games. 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,520 It's it's a weird kind of like scale we operate on. 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,160 There you go, there you go. This nice gradient between that, 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,960 especially with the Axolotl because that's, you know, that's 26 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,320 the first thing I knew you guys from was Axolotl with gun. 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,680 Maybe you guys did I craved the loop, right? 28 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,240 Yeah, we did. Yeah. 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,040 So I, because I, I don't remember if I saw Axolotl with a 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,920 gun first or if I saw the Kickstarter or the crowdfund for 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,400 for I craved the loop first, but it was it was one of those two, 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,600 but but great. So, so well, let's get right 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,640 into it then. Breitbart. 34 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,800 How did Breitbart come to be like, like, how do you guys know 35 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,080 each other? I, this is one of my favorite 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,360 stories to tell, but it was Gen. Con, I think that originally 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,480 brought us together. And I can trace a straight line 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,840 from like where we sit today on the weekly scroll to a meet up 39 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,000 for a tabletop role-playing game called Mall Kids by Matthew 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,800 Gravelin, held in that mall right next to the Convention 41 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Center. Because Matthew was like, no, if 42 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,960 we're going to have a meet up for mall kids at Gen. 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,960 Con, it has to be in the mall. Which I mean, obviously, yeah. 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,320 So yeah, no, we, we both went to that one of my college friends 45 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,720 who I was attending the show with at the time was planning on 46 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,600 running D&D and was inviting basically every single one of 47 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,840 our then like online or people we had interacted with on social 48 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,640 media. Friends to like come play wound 49 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:58,000 up being like a ten person game of D&D that Brie and her brother 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,760 played in. And then we wound up just 51 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,160 playing a bunch of games the rest of the weekend. 52 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,800 And that was, you know, summer of 2019. 53 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,920 And then over, like, lockdown, we sort of just, like, kept 54 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:14,280 playing games together. And then, Bree, you were working 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,520 on a web comic at the time, right? 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,080 I was, yeah. I was working on a web comic 57 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,000 that needed an editor, and John needed to have a job or some 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,240 semblance of jobs because he couldn't be a teacher anymore 59 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,200 because of lockdown. So I hired him to be my editor, 60 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,760 and then he started writing. Tabletop games are like tiny 61 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,200 little ones. And then he was like, well, do 62 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,520 you want to do art for them? And I'll like, pay you to do 63 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,960 that. So we just started like paying 64 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,560 each other to do work. And then we're like, why don't 65 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,720 we just stop doing that and just sell our stuff together? 66 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,160 At a certain point, we're like, why don't we just be business 67 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,320 partners? And the other one was just like 68 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,000 you, idiot, I think we're already business partners. 69 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,000 Yeah, pretty much the peak, the peak level of like passing the 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,600 same $10 back and forth in teach RPGs is literally just that. 71 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,760 You know, this is what happens when you finally stop doing 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:08,840 that. You realize you're just working 73 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:09,640 together. That's great. 74 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,480 And then what's the Direct Line to the weekly scroll then from 75 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,959 that? Like we, we just kind of like it 76 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:19,399 keeps snowballing from there, right? 77 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,800 We go from mall kids meet up to we freelance for each other a 78 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,080 whole bunch to I start reading tabletop RPGs to I run a 79 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,120 podcast. And now we've like come full 80 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,560 circle to I'm on a podcast. There you go. 81 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,600 Because as you know, like starting like a stream or a 82 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,240 podcast is the fastest way to wind up on more streams and 83 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,640 podcasts. Yeah, I've, I've only ever been 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,960 on one other podcast. Oh wow, yeah, you got to pump up 85 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,440 those numbers. We got it. 86 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:46,960 We got to get there. Yeah, you were. 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,000 I guess I'm just I got see, but I'm not I'm not a creative in 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,320 the way that like I've never published anything really. 89 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,360 Not like people that have podcasts and then put out a 90 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,920 bunch of games like you guys. So no one, no one wants to have 91 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,840 people ought to be like, so tell me how you critique games. 92 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,600 I'm like, well I'm just picking pedantic and that's the whole. 93 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,080 Show I'm an English major, so I think that's really interesting. 94 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,560 So, So what was the first game that you guys actually put out 95 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,160 together as Breitbart games and where did you get the name 96 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,280 Breitbart as well? The first game we put out 97 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:23,120 together was Cold Balls and Trench Coats. 98 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:25,760 Technically it was John's game first. 99 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,680 And then we just like. Right after the publishing of 100 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,120 the game, we were like, why don't we just like? 101 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,400 I think I still have one of the 8 1/2 by 11 versions. 102 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,080 Hold on. Oh, probably, yeah. 103 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,960 We have like we used to make them one pager. 104 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,560 So we John made cobles and trench coats, which was A1 105 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,080 pager. And it did really, really well. 106 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Like a lot of people, it was like around the time when that 107 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,200 was the thing that people love doing was like little guys in 108 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,480 silly little clothes. And so we started making like 109 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,720 more silly little guy one page games. 110 00:05:53,960 --> 00:06:00,280 And then John wrote a very like small game called Terminus, 111 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:06,680 which was a game about going on a walk and then writing and then 112 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,680 creating a story about what you saw on the walk through the 113 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,280 perspective of the place that you were in. 114 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,280 So like if you were like in a park, you would like talk about 115 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,920 there we go. There's a couple of the IT. 116 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Is laid out in Microsoft Word by yours truly. 117 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,400 Yeah. And so we started making small 118 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,000 games and then John wrote Terminus. 119 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,240 And that was kind of when we really were like, OK, that's 120 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,640 this is Breitbart, this is our company. 121 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,360 Because I started doing like a whole bunch of art for it. 122 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,120 He was wrote it for a jam, I'm pretty sure, and it was like a 123 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,080 really small one. Page RPG Jam that runs every 124 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,840 summer. Yeah, he wrote it for the One 125 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:47,840 Page Refugee Jam and then he just kept integrating on it for 126 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:57,880 like months and then Zinequest ruled around for 2022 I think. 127 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,640 Yes, I think it was 2022. We're fulfilling A Kickstarter 128 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,880 the same summer that you were getting ready to get married. 129 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Yes. So yeah, it was 2022, like 130 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,080 February of 2022, like 2 weeks before my dad was like, hey, 131 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,760 Zinequest is coming up and you guys are making like tiny little 132 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,520 games. Are you going to like do a 133 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,120 Zenquest thing? And we're like, I guess we can. 134 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,000 And so we pulled the Kickstarter together in two weeks for 135 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,680 Terminus and it has far and away been our most successful 136 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,560 Kickstarter so far, which is crazy. 137 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,240 I don't know how there's no way that we're going to, I don't 138 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,960 know how we're going to hit that magic again. 139 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,880 But I went on vacation. We, the day I was coming back 140 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:42,360 from vacation, we launched the Kickstarter and it's just a very 141 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,680 beautiful game about telling the story through a perspective of a 142 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,800 place using tarot cards. And I think really the tarot 143 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,720 card aspect is like what made it so interesting for people 144 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,360 because that was also, again, when tarot cards were like just 145 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,160 becoming like a thing that you use in games. 146 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,680 Yeah, I feel like Terminus came on the heels of Sam Lays 147 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:09,760 Animasis, which our editor for Terminus also worked on because 148 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,880 Marks, Bree and I got kind of into tabletop freelancing 149 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,120 through the Far Horizons Co-op. They were then I think called 150 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,000 the, they were at the time called the Centenario Co-op. 151 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,760 But that's how we both met Marks, who was our editor for 152 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,240 Terminus, who had also worked on Animesis. 153 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,120 So it was like just kind of a good fit. 154 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,760 Like tarot bump, I think yeah, I think in 2022 His Majesty the 155 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,480 worm was just going crazy all over blue sky every day talking 156 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,320 about tarot. Maybe just Twitter back then, 157 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:48,440 but but that's cool yeah. I mean, Terminus did do like how 158 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:49,600 many? And well, of course I've moved 159 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,760 it just smaller window so I can't see all the details now, 160 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,920 but did numbers. I mean, I feel like, I feel like 161 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:02,520 the, the classic Zenquest story is I, I wasn't going to do it 162 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,880 and then I decided to do it and I threw it together in like a 163 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,280 week. And then it blew up. 164 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,240 Like the number of times people have come on the show and said 165 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,320 like, well, I started writing TGRBGS because this one time I 166 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,920 did a Zenquest and you know, and, and, and here we are so. 167 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,040 Yeah. Oh, for sure, 20/22. 168 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,920 It was like a beautiful time for Zenquest. 169 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,080 It was like, I don't know, it blew up for us. 170 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,280 And that was when we were like, OK, we have like the funds to 171 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,600 actually like start a like actual company, which was 172 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,520 really, really cool. So Terminus was really what like 173 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,760 launched us into Breitbart. And for the reason we named 174 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Breitbart is because of our online handles. 175 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:45,560 So John is resident bar everywhere and my name is Briad, 176 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,800 which is a like the anglicized version is like Bridget or 177 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,640 Bright. So there you go. 178 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,840 Yeah, we kind of put our names together. 179 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:58,920 That's cute. Look at that. 180 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:06,280 And then we've had we've had the grab Bound crew on a couple of 181 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,800 Times Now with Emily and Lucas and you guys were going to come 182 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,760 on with him at one point. How did you guys get in touch 183 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,600 with with them and kind of, I guess do some work with him, 184 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,400 cross stuff, do whatever because it's it's interesting that you 185 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,440 guys are kind of like when I first met all of you. 186 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,640 It's not hard to be like no way your brain, not Emily, no way 187 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,280 your job, not Lucas, because it's like like short girl, tall 188 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:36,240 skinny guy partnership. How does how does that work with 189 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,480 with you guys? How'd you guys meet them? 190 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,560 It is really funny the number of times that Emily has called me 191 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:45,160 Lucas. OK, it's not just me. 192 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,240 Great. No, it's. 193 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,360 Absolutely. I'm Lucas. 194 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,480 Shaped, Yeah. We met them, well, first I we 195 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,280 met Emily because I stream art on Twitch. 196 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,560 I'm actually coming back to streaming today actually for the 197 00:10:58,560 --> 00:10:59,760 first time this year. Yay. 198 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,800 What's? Your what's your what's your 199 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,880 twitch, Hannah real quick. Bree Donnan. 200 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,560 Just the what it what it is on everything else, just my name 201 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:13,240 because my name is unique. I've never met anyone else with 202 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:19,480 my name. But I stream art on Twitch and 203 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,800 for a long time in the like my college years and like right 204 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,000 before, like 20, the time I met John, I was doing a lot of 205 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,560 actual play fan art online. And a lot of people like 206 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,480 followed me from that to my like Twitch stream. 207 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:39,280 And then eventually I was me and John started making games and 208 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,000 Emily was like, hey, I'm looking to be a layout artist and I 209 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,240 would love to start trying to like work on games. 210 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,680 Can I lay out a game for you for free? 211 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:49,880 And we're like, we'll pay you and. 212 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,520 I've forgotten about that aspect of It was like, hey, I'll, I'll, 213 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,480 I'll, I'll do the layout work free of charge. 214 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,160 Or like, no, we're going to. And we'll pay you. 215 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:05,240 And so Emily did layouts for our one page RP, some of our one 216 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,960 page RPGs. And then we just kind of decided 217 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,680 that Emily was really, really good at her job and didn't want 218 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:15,960 to stop working with. Her I think this is one of the 219 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:23,000 this and determinist for some of Emily's like early, early TTRPG 220 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:29,320 like work, which again we sort of all started doing around the 221 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,960 same time. Yeah. 222 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,240 And we met Lucas through Emily, because Lucas and Emily, I've 223 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,840 been friends for a very long time. 224 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:42,320 And so we'd like, hung out with Lucas at conventions with Emily. 225 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,840 And then I don't necessarily know the full graph and story, 226 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,880 but eventually they were like, hey, we want to work on games 227 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,440 together and we want to do make silly little games for ourselves 228 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,600 and stuff like that and be a TTRPG company. 229 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,360 So they started doing it after us. 230 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,200 And then we were like, hey, want to make a game together because 231 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,600 you are our closest TTRPG friends. 232 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,920 So then we made Bonds between, which was inspired by Lucas's 233 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:13,600 precious things, because John was like, you wrote a game about 234 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,920 little Dragons, I want to write a game about little Dragons. 235 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,040 And since you've already wrote in a game about little Dragons, 236 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,440 do you want to work together and write another game about little 237 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,280 Dragons? There you go. 238 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:24,920 Yeah. And if you want to hit the full 239 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,440 graph around story, just go back and listen to our graph on 240 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,000 episode. I'm sure they they told us the 241 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,120 whole story at some point. I don't remember it. 242 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,280 They're great though 'cause that's how. 243 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:39,480 Well, I guess how we got here is because I saw the precious 244 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:44,200 things little like sticker pack itch fund that Emily was doing 245 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,240 on. Yeah, they were doing that at 246 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,040 the. Same time that we were doing 247 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,320 loop, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, and then I guess and we 248 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,240 started at least be aware of the show. 249 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,280 We're watching the show or whatever. 250 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,120 And then one of the packs is, it must have been two years ago, it 251 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,720 came up to us and I was like, oh, Adam's not here. 252 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,880 And she's like, no, actually like, oh, listen, we can scroll. 253 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,480 I'm like, you're lying, but that's cool. 254 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,080 And then and then we, you know, we had her on, which means, you 255 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,800 know, we knew you guys were and then etcetera, etcetera. 256 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,000 And here we are now. So it comes down to to little 257 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,160 Dragons, I guess. And and here we are. 258 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,680 Yeah, our. Our mutual love of little guys, 259 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,640 really. It's all little guys, yeah. 260 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,520 Cuz it started with Cobalt little guys and then this Dragon 261 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,960 little guys. Now we got Axolotl, little guys. 262 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,000 And Speaking of axolotls and crowdfunding and stuff, we 263 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,680 Axolotl with a gun exists, but you're doing an Axolotl with a 264 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,360 gun 2E right now. So first of all, why axolotls 265 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,720 with guns? I was actually just thinking of 266 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,880 like about this as we've been talking about. 267 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,800 So like we brought up her streams and how that kind of 268 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,640 like introduced us to Emily from the fan art community and stuff 269 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,640 once she started like streaming on Twitch. 270 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,880 And there's a high percentage of the games that we've written 271 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,240 where Bree draws something like cool or cute. 272 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,680 And then I go, oh, that's a game and write a game about it. 273 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,080 So there's this kind of just like feedback, like loop of of 274 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,240 inspiration where like Bree draws a cute little guy. 275 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,240 I'm like, you could write a game about that little guy. 276 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,160 And then I start writing a game about the little guy and breeze 277 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,200 like, Oh, there's a world here and starts world building for 278 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,240 it. And then that leads to more game 279 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,440 design. And that's kind of like what 280 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,120 happened with Axe Law with a gun is breeze Stream chat was like, 281 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,680 hey, draw an Axolotl with an AK47. 282 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:39,920 Andrew was like, OK, started a 30 minute timer to to draw. 283 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,080 And I was like, I bet you, I can finish the draft of a game 284 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,760 before you finish that doodle or by the time you finish that 285 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,200 doodle. And so I wrote the original 286 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:57,600 draft for Axolotl with a gun in 30 minutes flat and then spent 287 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,840 like the next couple of hours turning it into like a, a scene. 288 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,520 So that's like that's the origin story for Axolotl with a gun. 289 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,520 And kind of the same thing happened with trash to treasure 290 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:13,640 too, is Brie drew a series of trash goblin magical girls and I 291 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,280 was like, we could, we could make a game out of that. 292 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,800 So. I I like drawing cute little 293 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,480 things and then John's like I'm inspired and then makes a whole 294 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,320 game about it. Famously, I love, I love cute 295 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,920 little things. My, my if, if, if we were doing 296 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,480 show and tell before the show with like cassette tapes and 297 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,440 stuff. But like I will rapidly run out 298 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,800 of of room to display in my hands to display all of the 299 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,520 little guys that I have just sort of sitting on my desk. 300 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,120 This little dude sits in front of me and just like holds my 301 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,400 phone. He's like perfectly phone sized. 302 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,600 Just gonna go to it for me and you got you got little guys over 303 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,440 both shoulders and all sorts of stuff. 304 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:03,680 I don't, I don't I surprisingly I guess I don't have any little 305 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:09,520 guys from TTRPGSI Guess the closest thing I have to a little 306 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,440 guy would be this horrifying thing. 307 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,240 Oh, I love that. That rock, it's a it's. 308 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,960 A monster, Yeah. Yeah, Oh, it's so many hands. 309 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,359 This is a horrifying little beast from from an adventure for 310 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,680 in the odd that Lewis Colburn did. 311 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,000 That's really cool. So that's the closest thing to a 312 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,240 little guy I have is this thing. And I occasionally will wake up 313 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,840 to see this across the room. But that's, I guess that's the 314 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,680 difference between the you and I is this is my version of a cute 315 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,520 little guy. But yeah. 316 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,080 There's there's a little like John Blind that Bree filtered a 317 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,280 couple of years ago, who has to live in the containment cube 318 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,640 because if he doesn't, my cats will RIP him apart. 319 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,600 I thought he would just like take over and become like the 320 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,160 true John. Well, it's also that like, I 321 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,040 have to keep him in there so he doesn't cause too much mischief. 322 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,080 There you go. But you, so you guys are 323 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,280 crowdfunding 2E for Axolotl with a gun right now. 324 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,240 What, what, why, what's, what's the, what's the big differences 325 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,200 between like 1E and 2E? And for those that might not be 326 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,720 aware of the Axolotl or it's guns, like what is not just the 327 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,200 cute little guy with like the, the deadly weapon, but like, 328 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,400 what is Axolotl with a gun? Like what kind of game is that? 329 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,280 Yeah, so this is the pitch that I always give to people when 330 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,960 they ask, which is axolotl with a gun is a one shot tabletop 331 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,720 role-playing game about axolotls with cute guns or cute hobbies 332 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,960 and big old guns fighting evil robots and AI who are trying to 333 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,800 like, mess up their habitat. And it's kind of like my 334 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,960 revolving door pitch. Do you want to hear more? 335 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,280 But like I said, when I wrote it, it was like summer of 2024, 336 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:59,160 which was kind of the tail end of the big cryptocurrency and 337 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,440 NFT fad. And that was already like a, a, 338 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,040 a topic of conversation about this was already like the power 339 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,280 requirements, like the, the, the GPU demand, the energy 340 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,520 requirements of them and like the environmental impacts of all 341 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,360 of those things. And it was the beginning of the 342 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,040 AI boom. And so those sort of topics were 343 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,160 a lot on my mind. Slip restarted drawing this. 344 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,720 I was like, he's an endangered little guy who has exactly like 345 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,920 this is a cute fact about axolotls. 346 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,640 They are endangered. They have basically like 1 lake 347 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,840 that they like occur in naturally and some like of the 348 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,640 surrounding wetlands, but a lot of those wetlands were drained, 349 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,480 you know, centuries ago, which habitat down. 350 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,840 So I was like, what would be a fitting enemy for this little 351 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,280 dude? I was like, probably, probably 352 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,240 something incredibly environmentally destructive 353 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,800 because that tends to be like. The like AI because it takes up 354 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,200 to half a liter of water and enough energy to completely 355 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,080 charge a cell phone just for one AI image out there. 356 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,680 And yes, we will have water water deserts and water droughts 357 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,080 increasing the next three to five years if you assholes keep 358 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,760 using it. So stop. 359 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,240 So yay Axolotl, kill all the AI. That's why. 360 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,400 That's where I thought John 1 is in the containment Cuban chat. 361 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,440 Yeah. So that's where that's kind of 362 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,000 where we got that and the the dudes that you fight in it. 363 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:29,760 What's on screen now is the 1st edition text. 364 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,560 So I kind of was inspired when I was writing the mechanics by old 365 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,600 side scrolling arcade game like arcade cabinets and stuff or 366 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,600 like some of the old side scrollers that I played on like 367 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,160 my Super Nintendo. And I was on a huge like havoc 368 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:48,520 engine design kick when I wrote Axolotl with a gun because I was 369 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,840 also like in the early stages of drafting trash to treasure, 370 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,840 which is another one of our games that also is like built 371 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,960 out of Roan Rick and Deckard's havoc engine. 372 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,880 They're just fun Little like I've, I've started describing 373 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,000 them as like narrative skirmish games where you've got like a 374 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,240 fun like dice mini game or like puzzle that you're trying to 375 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,640 figure out how to solve and then you kind of just like put a 376 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,760 narrative over top of that. It's not like a story game. 377 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,160 Like it's a little bit too whimsical and silly and topical 378 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,520 in a lot of ways for it to be that. 379 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,040 And it doesn't have like super hard hitting like role play 380 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,280 mechanics going for it. But it's a great way to spend 381 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,880 like two, 2 1/2 hours, just like hanging out with your friends 382 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,880 and having just a lot of really good belly laughs. 383 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,280 You know, yeah. I mean, you know, you can tell, 384 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,480 especially with the weapon choices you have, like the gun 385 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,640 sword going in there. That's I, I was recently 386 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,320 schooled on on Final Fantasy. It's Final Fantasy 8 had the gun 387 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,040 sword. Is that the is that what that 388 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:53,840 is? Yeah. 389 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,840 I saw when you were reviewing like some of the the scene quest 390 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,280 entries y'all were chatting about which which variety of of 391 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,920 gun sword was best. Yes, well, Final Fantasy 7 is 392 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,240 the best Final Fantasy I'll I'll take but you know, apparently 8 393 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:14,600 has a gun sword, which does give it some points, but but I will 394 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,480 die on that hill. But it's also the last one I 395 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,160 played, so I have no other frame of reference. 396 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:26,440 So we'll say 7 forever, but that so yeah, so So what what took 397 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,600 you to to 2 E with with Axolotl with a gun? 398 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,240 Like what are we funding now? Yeah. 399 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:38,280 So I, as I like mentioned earlier the summer that we 400 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,440 published it, you're basically like rushing to publish several, 401 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,480 several scenes because we wound up with an opportunity to vend 402 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,840 alongside some friends at Gencom, which again, the 403 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,840 straight line from mall kids meet up to being on the weekly 404 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,640 scroll today is that same friend, Matthew Gravlin a few 405 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,760 years later, offered to like cover my badge and a couple of 406 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,600 other thing and and like hotel and stuff. 407 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,880 If I, you know, worked a tabletop or a few booth with 408 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,360 him. And I've been doing that for a 409 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:08,520 few years. And so the company that we were 410 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,320 helping out, we wound up splitting booth space with and 411 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,720 we were like, Oh my God, we need all of the games we were going 412 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,000 to publish in the back half of this year. 413 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,880 We need to publish right now so that we have a large enough 414 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,960 catalog for these. And I was like, OK, well, I have 415 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,440 a bunch of scenes that I think will be like, they'll they'll do 416 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,320 OK. And then Axolotl with a gun line 417 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:30,560 of being so outrageously popular that we were kind of like, well, 418 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,600 you know, if it's done this well over the last year and a half of 419 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,160 us selling it, it would be nice to like revisit it and really 420 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,120 help it deliver on a lot of the deliver really well on a lot of 421 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,240 the things that it that it promises in terms of like the 422 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,800 arcade style kind of role-playing that it pitches to 423 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,600 you. So I went back and there was 424 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,960 like a show and tell mechanic that I had been very enchanted 425 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,720 with in the, in the, in the first version of the game that I 426 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,280 kind of like spooled into the game being like a coin operated. 427 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,680 So instead of like having a couple items you could use to 428 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,520 regenerate your character by like playing show and tell with 429 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,360 the GM, you have a little pool of coins now. 430 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,720 And any time your character like hits critical health, you just 431 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,200 insert like a coin to continue as though you're at an arcade 432 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,600 cabinet, hand it to the GM, and then like describe your 433 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,240 character rejuvenating themselves in some way. 434 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,200 You know, bounce back into the scene with iframes and refreshed 435 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,560 stats. I updated a lot of the rules. 436 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,280 There was 1 infinitely looping dice glitch in the 1st edition 437 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,760 of the rules in the very first print run that we discovered 438 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:42,520 because one of our friends put it into foundry I think to run 439 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,960 for a game of a few a few Co workers they had there nerfed. 440 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,480 Listen, the ability to roll 7000 dice on your first roll of the 441 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,600 game was maybe a little bit too good. 442 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,760 It was sadly too good, but it was so funny to hear that that 443 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,760 like we had to pack the game. That's great. 444 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,320 You got to keep that in. That's like some good video game 445 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,520 shit that you got that that goes in there. 446 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,600 You know, it's like the Contra codes in the beginning and 447 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,120 stuff, Yeah. If you if you put in the Konami 448 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:19,960 code intact a little gun, it unlocks a secret 7th gun. 449 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,280 Yeah, with that, let's roll 7 owls and dice. 450 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,160 Infinite bullet glitch like. I should just like have a 451 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,800 sticker that has the old text for the mini gun on it. 452 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,720 And like if you if you walk up and say a secret phrase to me at 453 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,720 a convention, you get the sticker and you can just put it 454 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,240 over the mini gun to revert it back to the old. 455 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,720 Pack. Well now you have to do that, 456 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,240 right? You said it out loud and I will 457 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,480 expect that when I see you again. 458 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,080 I need an. Infinite glitch please. 459 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,520 We got to have the glitch, you know, might be a was it PAX or 460 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,360 was it Gen. Con when we actually I don't 461 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,280 remember at this point. It was. 462 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,480 It was packed packed this last year because we wound up on the 463 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,640 same flight out of Minneapolis to. 464 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,560 Phillip Not just the same flight, literally sitting next 465 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,320 to each other because you guys were like the last people on the 466 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,760 plane. I saw, you know, we were 467 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,360 waiting, waiting. Some people came on and I was 468 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,600 like, I feel like I know those two. 469 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,720 But you were, you know, you were wearing a mask. 470 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,480 And I'm pretty good at identifying people even without 471 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,600 a mask. I was like, I'm pretty sure 472 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,440 that's John. And then you walked right past 473 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,000 me and then like 45 seconds later came like walking back up 474 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,360 and was like, is anyone sitting on that seat? 475 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,160 And I was like, no, John. And you're like Ryan. 476 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:36,760 Yep, there we go. And then we just like taught 477 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,320 games for the entire time. So the small worldness of my 478 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,440 flight, which almost always goes through Denver, going through 479 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,480 Where did we go again? Chicago It. 480 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,200 Was a midway? Yeah, Midway. 481 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,920 And it's actually not only end up on the same plane, but end up 482 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,800 like literally sitting next to each other was crazy. 483 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,840 And then we yeah, I think we literally just like talk games 484 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,960 your entire time, just like pull some stuff out of your backpack 485 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,360 and we were like going through some stuff. 486 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,760 What did you? What is? 487 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,240 What is that name of the thing that you put in your game so 488 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,000 that you don't call it that thing again? 489 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,160 Oh it a dupsy. There it is. 490 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,440 There it is. Dupsy I have in the in the 491 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,440 rules. We talked skirmish games a whole 492 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,880 bunch because we're working on a skirmish game and I'm working on 493 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:24,360 a game with skirmish stuff in it of one of yeah, my, I had my, my 494 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,840 relic like playtest stuff folder. 495 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,080 Yeah, I've told so many people about that, that the doopsie 496 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,920 thing where I'm just like, yeah, it named it something so that 497 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,840 you wouldn't get attached to this thing because it's fine, 498 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,280 It's good enough. I've called it that for so long 499 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,520 and I was like, that's perfect. I think I called it a poopy 500 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,040 doopy or something to somebody. But a doopsie, A doopsie works 501 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,800 well too. That's. 502 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:52,640 Really good. I got that from A one of the T 503 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:58,080 at like lead teen fight tactics developers riot more dog. 504 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,760 I think he's doing this series again on his YouTube. 505 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,880 I haven't watched much of this season of it, but he didn't. 506 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,320 He did a thing called walk the dog where in the morning he 507 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,560 would like just take it like go on a walk with his phone and 508 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,960 like talk to it about the video game industry and answer like 509 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,920 questions about teen fight tactics or like game development 510 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,280 or game design. And he talked about that thing 511 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,880 that they didn't. So I, I adopted it from Riot 512 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,920 Moore because their team has to name like they're in development 513 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,680 champions or like abilities, just the most insane things so 514 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,120 that they can't possibly get attached to them and keep them. 515 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,400 It's a really good strategy. Yeah, no, absolutely. 516 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,520 Because the number of people that I'm like, so why'd you call 517 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,160 it that thing? And they're like, well, I just, 518 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,760 it's what I put in there and I was just stuck, I guess. 519 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,600 And I'm like just, yeah, just call it a dupesy now. 520 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,640 And then of it, what's going to be funny is in like a year, 521 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,160 you're going to see some Zenquest project called like the 522 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,360 Dupesys or something. And it's just be like, well, put 523 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,160 dupesy in and and then it just got stuck. 524 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,840 Yeah. Well now you have to make a game 525 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,840 with a cute little guy and is for some how somehow there's a 526 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,880 dupesy involved. It's like the it's just a goblin 527 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,080 doing a little. Exactly. 528 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,760 Yeah, Yeah, the. Little baby got to get on that. 529 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,040 I could do that literally right now. 530 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,120 Yeah, that's the dupsy I'm doing. 531 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,160 Axe ladle's the good work right now, but I can stop. 532 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,960 I can stop. And do that the Dupsy. 533 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,960 Yeah, we'll have it for next time they come on stream. 534 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,800 We'll show you guys Dupsy. But so that's Axe all over the 535 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,280 gun. That is your Zen Zenuary, we're 536 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,000 calling it, because now there's two fucking mini. 537 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,400 There's Zemo and Zenquest and Zen Topia, and I'm sure there'll 538 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,200 be a fourth one next year. I mean, Game Found could do one 539 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,640 if they give a shit about TTRPGS, but it's not a board 540 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,400 game, so they don't. But So what else you got? 541 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,000 What? What else is Breitbart cooking 542 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,760 up right now? What? 543 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,440 What do you guys have on the horizon? 544 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,880 The like the other half of the Axolotl with a Gun Kickstarter 545 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,600 is like an expansion scene that has 6 new guns in it. 546 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:03,920 And the the guns in Axolotl with a Gun are basically the the 547 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,480 character class that you choose. And so the dice, you know, work 548 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,880 a certain way you're trying to roll under your number pretty 549 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,520 much all the time except when you're your gun tells you 550 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,240 otherwise. So it kind of gives each player 551 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,320 like an asymmetrical like dice mini game to play at the table. 552 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,880 They'll have like slightly different success conditions. 553 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,480 And so they're really just a fun excuse for me to decide to 554 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,360 design new and interesting and weird dice games. 555 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,360 So I had a lot of fun designing those. 556 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,400 There's one where you're like flicking dice at the Game 557 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,520 Masters dice to try and knock them off the table for extra 558 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,920 successes. That's awesome. 559 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,520 That's like a little wrist racket for your axolotl. 560 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,920 I did one that's like a railgun that just like charges and 561 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,440 charges and charges and charges and then fires a big blast and 562 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,880 you like stack a tower of dice on the table in front of you and 563 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,960 then when the tower falls you get the dice. 564 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,280 That's awesome. Anything that like actually gets 565 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,360 like using the dice more than just using the dice is great 566 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,920 because like Daiku has bug Busters and he has like a tower. 567 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,760 He does Mike Hutchinson put out space kits with it's like this 568 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,600 like orc goblin skirmish game and you have to actually like 569 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,720 build up a tower and like move it with your guy and if it ever 570 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,560 falls over it gets a problem. So that's so. 571 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,520 That's really good. That's so good. 572 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,000 If you can actually get the dice to do more than just a roll of 573 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,080 the table, that's because we all stack our fucking dice anyway. 574 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,080 Like, why not be part of the game, you know? 575 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,200 That was that was my exact like game designer thought was like, 576 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,960 what do you do with dice at the table? 577 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,080 And I was like, somebody is always stacking them. 578 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,520 You're just. Playing with it, yeah, yeah. 579 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,520 So yeah, so we have that. That's going with Axolotl with a 580 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,760 gun. We're actually publishing a lot 581 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,880 of Trash to Treasure content this year. 582 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,400 Trash to Treasure is I was. Going to say real quick, tell us 583 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,120 what trash to treasure. Let me pull that up over here 584 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,920 too. Yeah, Trash to Treasure is. 585 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,920 Bree and I both have a great love of magical girl like media. 586 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,800 Bree more or less I think grew up on Card Captor Sakra. 587 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,920 Yet you like didn't you like learn to read? 588 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,080 I learned how to read by reading the subtitles for Card Captor 589 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:17,680 Sakra. Yeah. 590 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,680 There you go. So yeah, it's about trash goblin 591 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,520 magical girls who are trying to save their city from corporate 592 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,640 greed and pollution and this mysterious magical corruption. 593 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,440 It's based on, like it's format is very similar to Eat the Reich 594 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,880 by Rowan Rukendeckerd. So it's like characters who are 595 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,520 designed to interact with an adventure that is part of the 596 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,560 book. So somewhere around like page 16 597 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,000 or so, there's like big spreads that have all of those magical 598 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,040 girls on the cover. Yeah, there's the there's the 599 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,960 little them in Incognito like school uniforms. 600 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,080 But yeah, so you play as these magical girls who have just like 601 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,120 gained their powers and are trying to get to the bottom of 602 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,720 this mystery as to what has corrupted your tiny little 603 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,320 dragon familiars who are themselves like the city's 604 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:23,000 elemental guardians. It's not so like quietly based 605 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,120 on a lot of Twin Cities like Minneapolis, Saint Paul, kind of 606 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:33,120 like places and issues like a lot of the content of several of 607 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,160 the chapters of the adventure allude directly or indirectly 608 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,640 to, you know, problems that problems that we here face, 609 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,480 whether it's like in the Midwest, Prairie conservation, 610 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,760 wetland, like conservation are really big things like 611 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,120 gentrification of of of like family owned and like historic 612 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,160 neighborhoods and things. Also big problem like there's, 613 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,520 there's a lot of kind of that DNA. 614 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,840 That's great though, I mean that very I I mean we're not going to 615 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,560 get too deep in this, but when anyone says like, you know, 616 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,480 Ghibli esque and it's just like the whimsical bullshit and not 617 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,199 like, you know, this kind of stuff. 618 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,600 And that's what it is like the first time I ever watched 619 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,000 Spirited Away and realized that the that like sludge monster 620 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,440 that goes to the bathhouse is just a polluted river and you're 621 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,880 just like, oh, like this is Ghibli esque or like the entire 622 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,679 concept of Princess Mononoke of just like industrialization 623 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,800 versus nature. So that definitely gives me 624 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,360 stripes of this and this, which is cool. 625 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,800 Yeah, Bree, do you want to talk about the the magical girls? 626 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,239 And they're like lore a little bit, because that is very much 627 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,360 your wheelhouse. Yeah, I, John does a lot of 628 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,800 really great stuff with the mechanics and stuff, but my 629 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,880 wheelhouse is 100% the design of world, like world design and 630 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,280 things like that. And I have, I spent a lot of 631 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,600 time trying to like make craft the chapters of the story to 632 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,000 like give the magical girl feel while also being as explicit 633 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,440 about the problems that the city is facing as I as much as I 634 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,560 could because pollution is itself like I, I designed the 635 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,440 goblins being like, OK, what are the pollutions for each element? 636 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,800 And so I was like, OK, well, I mean, sludge is covered in 637 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,960 plastics because she's using all of the plastics for that have 638 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,760 been like wrapped around turtles and like other sea life animals 639 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,240 or things that are polluting the ocean. 640 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,600 And like she's like made her like a recycled outfit out of 641 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,960 that. And so my first ever one that I 642 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,160 designed was burning, which was basically just like the a trash 643 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,720 fire. So she's like fully like trash 644 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:48,240 bagged up with like a trash can lid and like burning cardboard 645 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,360 and things like that. And then so I started kind of 646 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,200 going from there and then being like, what is like air pollution 647 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,840 stuff. So like Haze is covering in air 648 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,640 filters and is like a little inventor. 649 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,080 I think she's up. Yeah, she's right there. 650 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,600 And it's like covered in soot and smoke and smog worm is like 651 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,640 compost based. So her skirt is made out of like 652 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:19,640 the wire cages and like chicken wire and she's got coffee 653 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,400 filters and her hair and like cardboard and things that are 654 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,440 like biodegradable type of trash. 655 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,920 So like kind of like going with that. 656 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,200 And like my final character, which is I think the most 657 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,640 important one because her her name is what's on the cover of 658 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,000 The thing is treasure. She is like in a magical girl 659 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,160 anime like Sailor Moon. It's like Sailor Moon is the 660 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,400 main character, but all of the other characters are just as 661 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,840 important. So like treasure is like the 662 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,320 main character, but like less of like you can easily play a game 663 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,680 without treasure, but we've like put some things in the game 664 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,880 where it's like if you do play treasure, you can kind of like 665 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,320 lean into the like protagonist of an ensemble where you're like 666 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,920 a leader that like helps people rather than like she's like very 667 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,440 much the support character. She's very much the support 668 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,000 character in the game because she is the leader. 669 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:18,920 So she's like the the pollution of the heart, which to me is 670 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,360 greed. And that's kind of like the main 671 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,960 thing that this whole game wraps around is like the greed of a 672 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,720 corporation. And so her like main antagonist, 673 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,440 every three chapter of the main antagonist is like their dragon, 674 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,320 but treasure gets her dragon at the very beginning because he's 675 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,160 like the sage wise leader that like leads you through and tells 676 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,800 you all of the lore and stuff through the game. 677 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:46,960 And her main antagonist is the terrible, awful mech thing that 678 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,280 you fight at the end, which is what the antagonist throughout 679 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,840 the entire game has been building. 680 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,120 So like though it's very much of the pollution of the heart, 681 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,680 which is greed and then the pollution of and then that greed 682 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,040 pollutes all of the elements and the city and everything else. 683 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,680 And kind of like that's sort of the through line of the plot of 684 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,240 this game. I. 685 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,600 Mean that's a very magical girls through line, especially with 686 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,760 like the the you know like yeah, the sage little guy that helps 687 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,200 like the main girl like the entire time is very much of A 688 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,800 magical girl thing, which is great. 689 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,680 Everyone's got like a little familiar and so I needed 690 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,080 everyone. So each of the girls get their 691 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,520 own familiar by working hard to do it, but treasure gets hers at 692 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,000 the beginning and which also means that her familiar ability 693 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,960 is like not as cool as everybody else's. 694 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,640 Like she is a powerhouse to like start and then she doesn't 695 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,360 really level up a whole lot throughout the game because she 696 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,080 it had gets her buddy like immediately and all the other 697 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:50,400 girls like are so powerful and like can knock enemies out and 698 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,800 like do things like really quick and fast and very flashy. 699 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,880 And she's like pretty much her ability set is basically just 700 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,920 helping her friends. And I honestly love that for 701 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,120 like a leader magical girl character. 702 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,920 Yeah, well, it's great. It's really important and it's 703 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,000 and it's little Dragons, which obviously we've already spoken 704 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,120 about things got to have little Dragons in there. 705 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:14,200 So yeah, no, that's great. And the art is fantastic all the 706 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,440 way through this. I mean, you hit the magical girl 707 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,840 tropes and and vibes super hard. And and who? 708 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,960 Who laid out this this one, this book? 709 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,880 Emily I. Was going to say, look at that. 710 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,480 Look at, look at that Emily Layout. 711 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,480 Yeah, Emily has laid out everything of ours except for 712 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,520 our new edition of LGBT that's going to be coming out in for 713 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,680 Pride this year That that is a different layout person, but 714 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,160 Emily suggested. So Emily is kind of an 715 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,640 unofficial third member of Breitbart's team because we work 716 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,920 together all the time. There you go, your your 717 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,160 counterpart in the in the in the duo set here. 718 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,200 Yeah, 100% I I absolutely love working with Emily because we 719 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,800 work so in tandem, like I will like have this idea and like 720 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,640 these like all of these like art pieces and be like here are like 721 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,320 the vibes. And then she's like, what if we 722 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,040 add this vibe or like what are what are the touchstones here? 723 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,920 And like she really we really work together, like back and 724 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,480 forth. It was like very true in bonds 725 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,920 between where like she would. Like do the layout, like the 726 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,760 collage layout in person and then she would scan that in and 727 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,200 then send me the page that she laid out and then I would doodle 728 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,400 on top of it digitally. So we like really were like 729 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,840 passing it back and forth and like the art was like one whole 730 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,680 thing and like she did the layout, but like I did the 731 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,440 illustrations and we kind of, we kind of do a lot of things where 732 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,840 we work at like together at the same time. 733 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,480 Like I try to get as much art done as possible before the 734 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,520 layout stage, but there's always going to be stuff, especially in 735 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,440 layout when they're like, oh, they're here's like a place 736 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,120 where like I could use extra spot art or here's a place where 737 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,960 I could like fill this like space with more art and stuff. 738 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,520 So I try, when I'm working with Emily specifically, I try, I try 739 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,760 to like leave a little bit of space open for us to kind of 740 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,520 like mind meld during the layout process. 741 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,880 Gotcha. I mean, that's the best way to 742 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,160 do it. I mean, especially if you work 743 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,880 well with each other. And are there any future plans 744 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,720 for another collab like official collab between Breitbart and 745 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:20,440 Graphbound? I don't think yet, but it's not 746 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,400 that we don't want to for sure. I just think Graphbound is such 747 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,280 a huge slate right now and they're doing a lot of collabs 748 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,080 with lots of other people, which is really, really cool. 749 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,520 I'm so happy about it. But this current moment, no 750 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,400 specific collabs, but I mean, we always have ideas where we're 751 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,520 like pitching stuff to each other and being like, what if 752 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,400 this, what if this? We we work together a lot behind 753 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,880 the scenes. Emily did did, did DME well, 754 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,760 both. Bree was on vacation on my end 755 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,600 and Lucas was on vacation on her end. 756 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,800 And she's like, we could do anything. 757 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,520 We could do anything right now. We could start a new project, 758 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,600 John. They never know. 759 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,440 Have to do it. Yeah, just take out Bree, plug 760 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,000 in Emily and Vice. At some point when John it's 761 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,080 gone, you're just like Lucas. Like Lucas. 762 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,640 Let's do this. Thing, yeah. 763 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,880 Hop in and do this thing yeah. So yeah, you know, you said you 764 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,640 have something else coming out for for Pride Month once you 765 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,680 know, Axolotl 2 E the Kim the Kickstarter for that is it 766 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,720 Kickstarter back which which which Kickstarter? 767 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,800 Right now. Kickstarter. 768 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,520 There's too fucking many people listening to get together on 769 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,760 this thing. But when that's all done, what's 770 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,960 what's next? On the On the On the On the 771 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,160 docket for Breitbart. So yeah, after we're going to 772 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,320 release, we brought up trash treasure because we're going to 773 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,760 release a bunch of like free seasonal adventures. 774 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,960 So like each of the seasons we're going to have a little 775 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,240 like extra chapter of the story that you can play. 776 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:48,080 And I'm also releasing an SRD for it here in the next couple 777 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,640 of months so that people can like humble their own adventures 778 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,000 if they want to run like their own short campaigns from scratch 779 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,040 or in addition to what we wrote in the in the base game. 780 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,560 Because people in my experience have really been enjoying 781 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,400 playing in Maho City. So best give them the tools with 782 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,960 which to do more of that. But after those like that kind 783 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,080 of slate of games this year, the other thing that I'm working on 784 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:21,760 right now is like a big like science fantasy, like tabletop 785 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,200 role-playing game where you it's very heavily inspired by like 786 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,040 Destiny 2 and stuff like that. I'm a big, I'm a big fan of cool 787 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,120 spacers with cool space guns fighting like the forces of 788 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,160 evil. So that's that's another thing 789 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,520 that I've been working on that I like teased a little bit 790 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,840 earlier, but it's built, yeah. That's what's in that. 791 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,640 That's what's in that big old folder is. 792 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,360 Oh, yeah. I think it's all, I think, I 793 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,480 think we talked at length about what's in that folder, right? 794 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,080 Is that that's what we talked about on the plane. 795 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. This this exact this exact 796 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:59,040 folder will actually, if they're still here, had the the 797 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,800 privilege of play testing the very, very first, like danger 798 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,600 room play test of the the skirmish mechanics for that, and 799 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,080 I don't think they've played it since. 800 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,520 No, I don't think Will's played it since SO. 801 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,280 That was. We got it. 802 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,960 That was PAX last 20. 20 no, it's 20 yes. 803 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,840 PAX 2024. Yeah, PAX 2024, which this 804 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,960 game's been, yeah, this been, this game's been in development 805 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,720 for a very, very long time. And it's it's John's, it's 806 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:28,560 John's baby. And I'm I'm the mean overlord 807 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,880 that makes him write other things that he. 808 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,240 Can yeah, it's like I I finish all of my work for the drafts 809 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,160 that I must release in the next like three to six months and 810 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,080 then I open my drafts for the game I will release in two to 811 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,480 three years here. We go. 812 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,600 It's good to have that though, because trust me, if you have no 813 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,560 one telling you to do that, you'll never put anything out. 814 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,800 Because that's where I'm at. But if only we all had to 815 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,160 breathe. Yeah, as as the as the woman 816 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,480 owned owner of this company, which is super sick. 817 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,880 I I get to have, I dangle just a little bit of power over John 818 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,000 just being like, here's the carrot at the end of the stick. 819 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,400 Please write a game. I think that. 820 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,560 Game maybe can release. Tweeted literally the other day. 821 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,160 If I finish at the Armed and Dangerous draft, I can write 822 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,360 about space with spirits there. You go. 823 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,320 Here's a Here's a picture of a cute little guy. 824 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,920 Do you got a game for it? Do you got a game for it? 825 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,840 There you go. Just sliding a tiny little 826 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,480 concept art budget over the table to go hire like an art 827 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,080 friend to make some concept art if you finish the draft. 828 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,680 Finish the deal like we could like allocate funds for this, 829 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,440 yeah. Yeah, best way to do it, best 830 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,200 way to do it is to have somebody to help you do it. 831 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,720 And you guys, you know, seems to be working really well together. 832 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:50,360 It is 2026 and we are getting older which is crazy and like 833 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:56,600 you guys had 2019 like pre COVID is feels like so long ago. 834 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,800 But you know, the TRPG space changed a lot after that and 835 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,560 it's really cool that you guys navigated that and got to where 836 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,760 you are now and just continue to kind of get bigger and bigger. 837 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,720 Axolotl with a gun. Was it a short campaign? 838 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,040 There's only 8 days left on it. Did you guys only do like a 839 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,720 three-week or what was it? I think it was like 3 1/2 weeks 840 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,560 because yeah, John didn't want it to go into March, so we are 841 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,240 ending it two days before the end of February, so. 842 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,880 Gotcha. It's only two. 843 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,280 Three and a. Half. 844 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,040 There's only 8 days left until the end of February My. 845 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,960 It's gone so. Fast until the end of February, 846 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,880 but yeah. Like 11, damn. 847 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,960 It is. And it's a short month too, but 848 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,800 I have something I need to finish by the end of the month 849 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,120 that I keep putting off. And then every time I look at 850 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,240 the calendar, I'm like, oh, that's like a week and a half. 851 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,560 I really need to get this done. Yeah, yeah, it's. 852 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,880 It's scary. Yeah, no, the time just keeps 853 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,000 marching by. I mean, you, you little young 854 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,760 and you know you'll get there one day. 855 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,240 But but here we're at so Speaking of the Kickstarter, 856 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,480 obviously you can go find that on Kickstarter, but where can 857 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,640 people find all the rest of your stuff? 858 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,920 Where is Breitbart AT? And where can people get all the 859 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,080 trash and all the axolotls and all the guns and all the things? 860 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,160 The little dragon guys. Yeah, we have a website, 861 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,640 breitbartgames.com that has physical copies of all of our 862 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,920 games and PDFs. We also have an itch store, 863 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,160 Breitbart games dot itch dot IO. Our website also has like some 864 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,120 of our other merch, we have a few pins and things that will be 865 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,880 restocking a bunch of here in the next couple of months and 866 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,000 adding to more more designs of more little axolotls with guns 867 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,120 and cute stuff for that. You guys got to get hurts. 868 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:47,160 I I I have whole like drawers in my closet that is just for teach 869 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,320 RPG shirts. You guys got to get shirts and 870 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,760 just remember big design goes on the front because then stream 871 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,040 can see it. So yeah. 872 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,560 Yeah, yeah, we should definitely. 873 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,440 I've been thinking about a lot of merchandising stuff recently. 874 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,920 Pins are like our hugest thing because people, even if people 875 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,680 don't want to buy our games, they love the cute little guys. 876 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:07,960 Yeah, there you go. They love the cute little guys. 877 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,880 So merchandising is like a huge part of what I do these days is 878 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,920 like what can, what can my when I turn my drawing into something 879 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,640 cute little guy that we can like sell, But that's that's a whole 880 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,200 business. There's a lot of business stuff 881 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,240 in teacher PGS. Like we've talked a lot about 882 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,840 the creative stuff, but there's so much business that you have 883 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,360 to do too. It's it's a lot. 884 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,520 Yeah, got to got to pay bills and and sell stuff and and do 885 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,280 what not. And that's, that's, I feel like 886 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,600 that's the hard part. I feel like that's where a lot 887 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,360 of people start to fall apart with it. 888 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,520 So, I mean, thank goodness Breeze doing all that right, 889 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,600 John. We're having a conversation 890 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,240 about this the other day, but I was like, do you want to like 891 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,320 delegate some of the logistics work that you're, you're taking 892 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,240 notes on right now? And she was like, I need you. 893 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,720 I need you in the word minds and the e-mail minds. 894 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,080 If you can answer emails and write games. 895 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,080 Yeah, basically. It's like if John can talk to 896 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,400 people and then I can just tell him who to talk to, that would 897 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:15,080 be great. That sounds, that sounds again, 898 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,160 if only I had a birdie, maybe I could actually publish 899 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,280 something, but it would it would be out there. 900 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,040 But listen, it was overdue for you guys coming on. 901 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,280 You definitely have to come on again. 902 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,120 I know at one point we were talking about playing games When 903 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,160 hunter schedule gets a little more situated, we're going to 904 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,160 get back in to do some APS on the show and we would love to to 905 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,840 be axolotl shooting things and or magical girls doing things 906 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,160 Good. This is not the first magical 907 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,280 girl teach RBG we've talked about on the show. 908 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,040 So we got to actually be magical. 909 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,960 Little guys are. So they're goblins, right? 910 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,080 Yeah. OK. 911 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,880 You're trash. I was like, yeah, they're trash. 912 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,320 Goblin magical girls. Yeah. 913 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:51,840 So we got to have you back on to do that. 914 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,560 But seriously, thank you so much for being here. 915 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,280 It's a pleasure talking with you guys. 916 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,640 And again, overdue. And we'll definitely have you 917 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,000 back on the show. So Bree, John, thank you so 918 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,240 much. Thank you everyone that was here 919 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:02,960 in chat. And. 920 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,360 And that's going to be it for today. 921 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,520 We will see you all later. Bye.