1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,080 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll podcast. 2 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:19,800 My Name Is Ryan. And I am the Beetle King from 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,480 the Coconut estate. And with us today we have a 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,880 special guest that is Jim Hall of Brooklyn Games. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,880 How you doing today, Jim? Hey, I'm doing great. 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,800 Glad to be here. Very nice to have you on. 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,960 Yeah. So what we have, well, you can 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,640 see above me. Well, you can't, but people out 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,040 there can see above me. You're currently funding a 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,200 project right now called Beatle Knight on Kickstarter 4 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,000 Zinequest. But before we get into that, 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,120 what you've I've seen your books everywhere, your zines 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,240 everywhere. They're very colorful. 14 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,360 They're very hard to miss. What are some of the projects 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,720 that people who might not know Brooklyn games know some of you 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,200 work from? Yeah, I mean, the more most 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:11,720 recent Kickstarter was something called Worldlings, and it's kind 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,080 of based on this amazing art from this artist, Okro. 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:21,720 She's fantastic, but it's a a world building book that gives 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,400 you these tiny little gods to sprinkle around the the 21 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:31,320 wilderness and add some sort of animistic spirits to to your 22 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:32,920 world. So you can really sprinkle it 23 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,520 into any system. But it's written for Karen and 24 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,560 Fivey. And then I I've got a bunch of 25 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:45,080 books or pamphlets out, but the the other one that most people 26 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,360 know me from is Escape the City. Oh hey yeah, you got Thorn from 27 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:56,400 the Fallen Kickstarter. But Escape the City is is a 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,400 pretty popular one that got picked up by a lot of or a few 29 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,520 solo Youtubers. It's like you draw cards to 30 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,320 build out a city as you play and then you can explore that way 31 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,920 and it's kind of a it's kind of a test to see if you can survive 32 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:19,240 to to escape. But I mean those are the big 33 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,280 ones. I've I've been writing and 34 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:28,560 publishing since probably 2021. COVID, you know, made me let's 35 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:36,000 start putting stuff out there. Oh I I also illustrate and so my 36 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,360 my big kind of achievement recently was doing the map for 37 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:49,480 barkeep on the Borderland and so yeah and WF Smith Warren, he was 38 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,400 he was really great and gave all the contributors and any medal 39 00:02:54,920 --> 00:03:00,320 and so like I haven't any even though as I just did the map you 40 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,840 know but still pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, yeah, the 41 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,920 illustrations work is fantastic. I actually have Graves and 42 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:09,520 Groves that you did the cover for that. 43 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,360 It's a DCC module, which is absolutely stunning. 44 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,920 So I love that the cover, it was the first thing I saw. 45 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:15,360 I was like, damn, I gotta go back this now. 46 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,760 And then it was a great project too, but that's another thing 47 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,960 you've done and we've seen that. It's fantastic. 48 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,000 Yeah, there's a few other things I don't know. 49 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,880 I had a adventure in Knock issue 3 called Titan Cliffs that it's 50 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,160 a really nice one shot if you wanna like introduce someone to 51 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:36,320 sort of the old school style of play. 52 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,400 So yeah. A lot of the stuff you'd written 53 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,640 for, especially a lot of your zines like Escape City, Raw 54 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,680 Dragon, Orban In the Raw Dragon, I don't know, Forbidden Swamp, I 55 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,000 think is is more system, is that one more system neutral. 56 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,200 But a lot of stuff you write for is Karen and Five East. 57 00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:00,160 Yeah, yeah. So when I the the very first 58 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,440 thing that I put out there was you can't even get it on itch. 59 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,640 Actually it's only on Patreon, but it is it is a 5E adventure. 60 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,560 So I started off with with 5th edition really. 61 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,680 I played a little bit of 3.5 like back in college, but like 62 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,880 really 5th edition was the one that got me hooked. 63 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,880 Then I discovered Nave, and eventually I discovered Cairn 64 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,960 and I just, I fell in love with Karen. 65 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,120 And it's just like so simple. We we talked a little bit before 66 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,040 the show about it. You can do a lot with it because 67 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,880 it's so boiled down. And so, you know, I'm putting 68 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,920 out these adventures, I'm testing them with my local group 69 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,720 that, you know, we play in person here. 70 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:55,240 And so, you know, I I figured I'll write it for this, this 71 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,560 system that I'm really excited about, Karen. 72 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,560 I'll also write it for 5th edition. 73 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,800 You get sort of a wider audience and that's what my local group 74 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:03,800 was playing. So. 75 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:06,080 So yeah. Makes sense? 76 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,240 Yeah, I mean five ES always gonna be a pretty, a pretty wide 77 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,880 audience. I guess it's not. 78 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,600 It's not going anywhere until. One until 1D and D comes out, 79 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,360 you know but. It's supposed to be in. 80 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,320 At all, you know. Sure, yeah. 81 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,960 Forbidden Swamp. Actually, I put out as a Karen 82 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:32,080 exclusive, and so you can go over to the Karen store and and 83 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,520 pick that one up. But yeah, there I also did one 84 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,720 with Perplexing Ruins where he did all the art and it's called 85 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,880 The Visitor. And it's just like some random 86 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,880 tables that help you create some pretty weird alien encounters. 87 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,360 It's a. It will explicitly take your 88 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:59,520 fantasy world into multi dimensional outer space style 89 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,760 play. So anyway. 90 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,320 I do. I do love that. 91 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,440 I like my fantasy weird and sometimes mixed with some 92 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,600 science. So yeah, weird. 93 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,280 Extra dimensional travelers. Great. 94 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:15,360 And also just like the visitor, like the vibes from like the art 95 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,720 from P Rs art. Very, very, very cool. 96 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,000 Yeah. Ryan Ryan's looking for a 97 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,160 booklet right now, and I know I. Have the visitor right next to 98 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,560 me and I can't find it. It's in here somewhere. 99 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:27,880 Oh, there it. Is. 100 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,600 I knew it. I know. 101 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,440 I know roughly where it is. Yeah, I This one is absolutely 102 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,440 fantastic. Love this one. 103 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,680 I'm I'm so excited that you guys actually have my stuff and I 104 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,040 feel like you put it out there and sometimes it's just, it just 105 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,480 disappears and yeah, so that's cool, yeah. 106 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,560 Well, it's cool you have AI actually, honestly have only 107 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,920 like looked through your itch. I didn't realize you have like a 108 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,840 big cartel like digital storefront where everyone get 109 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:55,160 your scenes physically and they're really very cool. 110 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,360 I to be quite honest with you, I've read through Escape the 111 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,320 City and I didn't realize that you did the art, but I really do 112 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,760 like the like the color palette and art in Escape the City so. 113 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,000 Thanks. I appreciate that. 114 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,840 Yeah, Yeah, I had some that cover that has this really cool 115 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,840 perspective and so I was having fun with. 116 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,280 The fisheye. Fisheye. 117 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,920 Yeah. So yeah, you you mentioned it's 118 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,600 been mentioned a couple times about the the color, the bright 119 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,720 colors from a lot of my covers. It's funny cuz with Beale Night 120 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,640 I'm actually going the opposite direction where the entire thing 121 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,720 is all black and white. And my hope is that it's 122 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,200 something that anyone can take and sort of print at home. 123 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Because I've had, especially with like Escape The City is the 124 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,840 most popular thing that I have right now and people have asked 125 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,960 for a black and white printer friendly home printer friendly 126 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:55,080 edition because it's just super saturated and yeah, you need, 127 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,120 you need to just like a black and white version. 128 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,720 So yeah, with Beatle Night, I wanted to make that kind of the 129 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,320 default. So anyway. 130 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,920 Yeah, I do like the dichotomy though, between like you like 131 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,080 your ability to very effortlessly move from like this 132 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,880 very over like saturated, like ultra color, to this black and 133 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,720 white and the black and white you're like, oh, it looks great, 134 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,560 like it makes a lot of sense when reading through Beetle 135 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,600 Knight. It has that kind of like, like 136 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,160 darker aesthetic and it's still incredibly well done. 137 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,320 Well, thanks. I mean, I like color. 138 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,480 I like black and white. That's all good. 139 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,200 But so Speaking of Butylite, this is a project that you are 140 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,039 currently funding right now on Kickstarter. 141 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:47,120 It is funded just like a buck or two over goal, like 300 plus 142 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,760 percent of the funding. But for those that haven't yet 143 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,520 backed it, cuz they should go there and do that right now. 144 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,880 But what is Beatle Knight? Cuz this isn't a lot of what is 145 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,280 on your storefront and stuff are adventures, like we said for 146 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,320 Karen and five E some into the odd stuff too. 147 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,840 But this is a game, So what is Beatle Knight? 148 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:12,360 Yeah, so this is it's not actually the first game that I 149 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,520 put out there, but it's the first one that really has gotten 150 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:22,960 a lot of love from me. Is a game kind of inspired by 151 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,560 Hollow Knight and a few other sort of touchstones where you 152 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:32,520 step into the claws of a arthropod knight. 153 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,600 So it could be a beetle, it could be a moth or a lightning 154 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,840 bug. There, there's there actually 155 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,640 will be 20 different species that you can play. 156 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:49,960 And each of each of the Knights has a sort of motivation that 157 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,840 makes them kind of tears them away from their normal life and 158 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,920 sends them out into the world to try to create justice across 159 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:05,320 this sort of forest floor that's covered in a bunch of different 160 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,800 cultures of each different type of bug that you could possibly 161 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,000 think of and the interactions that they have. 162 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,680 I I like to think of it in terms of each sort of region of the 163 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:24,480 forest floor has a history of other kind of critters that have 164 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,080 lived there. And the people who you encounter 165 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,720 are just the latest and in a long line. 166 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:37,480 And it really opens you up for that sort of delving or digging 167 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,520 into these mysteries or or magics that kind of pop up. 168 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,480 So yeah, I mean, but I think it's captured well on on some of 169 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,800 the story prompts on the second page here. 170 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:58,240 So like deep in the rotting log that is the millipedes fortress, 171 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,800 a disease spreads like wire wildfire. 172 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,320 No one knows the source. Perhaps they discovered 173 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,320 something left by the termites long ago. 174 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,360 And so this sort of thing, like, I don't know, I find that fun. 175 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:16,800 And if you have played Holo Knight, like it's just filled 176 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,280 with that sort of kind of open-ended storytelling that 177 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,160 that it feels like there's depth there. 178 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,160 And so that's what I what I like and what I want to create in the 179 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,800 world here. I do really like that space that 180 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,840 you're like stepping into for storytelling. 181 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,800 Because it's like I I live in Oregon. 182 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,880 It's very forested. Like I go walk out and like look 183 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,800 at bugs, living in a small community and be like, oh like 184 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,960 that. That's a cool prompt to start a 185 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,200 direction for a story. Yeah, like I as an adult go into 186 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,080 my backyard and turn rocks and logs over to look at bugs. 187 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,600 And it's been just been like that my entire life And so I 188 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:05,840 don't know, like my logo is a slug or a snail and if you've 189 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,840 read some of my other stuff like Arbonne and the Rod Dragon, you 190 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,560 encounter bugs like ants that have been warring for a long 191 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,840 time. So it's a theme that I that I've 192 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,960 been working with in a for a while. 193 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:24,240 In fact, Beetle Knight was. I originally made it over two 194 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,120 years ago and it started off as a little pamphlet adventure and 195 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,920 I was rummaging through just before we got started here. 196 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,360 And I actually found my little print out of the original 197 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,360 pamphlet adventure. So this is what it yeah, this is 198 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,640 what it started off. As you can see I have my notes 199 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,520 from from play testing right in there. 200 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:49,520 But like it, it grew and I I found that I wanted to do more 201 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,160 with it. And next thing you know, we got 202 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,160 a game here. We got a book, a couple scenes 203 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,240 anyway. The setting is fantastic and I 204 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,680 know you said it's based on Hollow Knight. 205 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:03,560 From what I know of Hollow Knight, I've never played it. 206 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,840 It's a Metrovania with a little souls. 207 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,600 It's like a Soulsvania Ish, right? 208 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:13,480 Or is it pure Metrovania? Well you you do explore a lot. 209 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,240 Maybe you're you're the Souls Ness you're referring to is the 210 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,800 the extremely challenging combat. 211 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:28,920 So in that in that way, yeah, I could see that it involves a lot 212 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:34,240 of exploration and as you explore there's sort of a 213 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:39,800 storytelling elements that emerges just by visiting places. 214 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:45,880 But then also over time the things change and the 215 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,240 environment and that really sort of creates movement in the 216 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,000 story. In terms of like the combat, 217 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,200 it's it's it's pretty technical like the there's a meme about it 218 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,040 that's just get good cuz it's it's just a hard game. 219 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,560 And in that, you know, as you're kinda working with that you're 220 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,320 optimizing your character, you're learning the skills 221 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,840 really well and you wind up in different situations, having to 222 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:22,160 do different builds. And so it's really cool in that 223 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,680 way. Maybe that's not for everybody, 224 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,440 certainly not, especially if you're like a cozy gamer, but 225 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,360 for me, that's like, that's fun. It's crunchy. 226 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,000 Yeah, it is cool. Yeah, well one of the other 227 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,560 things I love about It's interesting cuz I've read the 228 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,440 Quick Start a bunch. It's fantastic. 229 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,520 But when I read through it, I don't remember if it says Holla 230 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,280 Night in there anywhere. But as soon as you said Holla 231 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,880 Night, so much of it kind of clicked a little bit different 232 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,840 for me too, cuz I love Metroidvanias. 233 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,880 They are my favorite, even though I haven't played Holla 234 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,480 Night, Blasphemous Ori. Like all those kind of games and 235 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,720 I love where you like you explore and then you like enter 236 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,080 a new realm and it's like different colors and different 237 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,560 music and things like that. Metro Vanias do that a lot. 238 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,680 And when you read the About the Game section then go right into 239 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,480 the histories and mysteries, I'm talking about like the Realm of 240 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,840 Litter Fall, but especially that last part. 241 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,960 It's a patchwork of territories and everything is claimed and 242 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,560 everything. I can just imagine playing a 243 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,840 Beatle and like going into a new territory in Beatle night and 244 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,000 like the music changes a little bit and this one's like a foggy 245 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,480 one and stuff like that. So it's really, it's really 246 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,640 interesting to kind of get those parallels in some of the writing 247 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,480 as well. Yeah, I don't know if you've 248 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,520 ever seen the anime Mushishi. Yeah. 249 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,000 Anyway, absolutely. Yeah, some people have. 250 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,040 Yeah, there you go if you haven't. 251 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,520 Seen Mushushi. It's literally one of my 252 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,600 favorite of all time. Like being able to see the 253 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,720 things that some people can and some people can't see and like 254 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,160 how they think it's just the world, but it's really this like 255 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,920 thing on them. It's it's beautiful too. 256 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:59,960 Yeah, it is often poetic. That was inspiration in part for 257 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:04,320 World Links. But at any rate, the main 258 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,600 character kind of travels across the it's like a feudal Japanese, 259 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,160 you know, countryside kind of solving mysteries, these magical 260 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,360 mysteries for people. And so you know, one will be in 261 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:22,960 the city, one will be in, you know, some tea house or in a 262 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,080 swamp in in the middle of the woods. 263 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:31,960 And so I like that idea of a wanderer who their goal is to 264 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:37,600 try to help folks. And so I don't know that that's 265 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,440 that's how I see the game going about. 266 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,320 Nice. And so I maybe we touched on 267 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,360 this a little bit before you had, you showed the original 268 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,400 adventure that it was, and you said there were play tests and 269 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,800 everything. What was kind of the impetus? 270 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,320 Was it just like engaging with it so much that you kept wanting 271 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,200 to expand it into a game? But what was the what was the 272 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,720 impetus behind turning it from an adventure into a game and 273 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,120 adding your own mechanics and things to it? 274 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,880 Actually it was it was a game right from the get go. 275 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,640 So that little pamphlet is actually a full game and and 276 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,079 this is the game that we played at first nice and a lot of the 277 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:22,839 same text is still in in the book today but and so I I don't 278 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:26,200 know I wanted I had some ideas around mechanics. 279 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:34,040 I was inspired to create a piece of art that you see on the cover 280 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,400 and I spent around a month doing that illustration And so these 281 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,400 these things were happening at the same time and I I don't know 282 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,280 it just kind of came together where I had these ideas for a 283 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,200 different type of mechanic which wound up being called contests 284 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,960 and I needed a world to sort of you know populate with that 285 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,760 mechanic or like use that mechanic to explore and that's 286 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:08,080 just kind of what happened. Also at that time I had done a 287 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,120 collaborative world building session with some good friends 288 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:17,200 and we came up with this really wacky world that all takes place 289 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:23,000 on the back of a a giant that's like swimming through an ocean 290 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,080 of sugar water. And all the characters are like 291 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,440 pests living on the back of this giant and the the hairs are like 292 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,440 trees and all this stuff. And so all this was happening at 293 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,800 the same time and I started writing the game and we switched 294 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:48,280 that that giant game to playing Beatle Knight, that that's when 295 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,200 we started playing it, so. Did the original Beatle Beatle 296 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,720 Knight pamphlet use like the contest system or did it have a 297 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,120 different like resolution system? 298 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,760 It used contests, OK and like the the resolution system 299 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,840 contests, you know the way it works is you each of your 300 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,440 abilities has a die associated with it. 301 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,360 So you start off with like AD42-D sixes and AD 8 and you 302 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,240 spread that around your 4 abilities. 303 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:19,800 And then when you want to try something uncertain, you roll 304 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:25,280 those die against a challenge die that the arbiter rolls. 305 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:33,120 And so you know you want to convince the moth queen that the 306 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,000 ants are not spying on her or something like that. 307 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:43,680 So you what you would roll your presence die and the arbiter 308 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,600 would roll some difficulty dies. Maybe it's like AD 8 versus AD 309 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,920 10 or something like that. You compare those results. 310 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,280 If your result beats the arbiter, then you're successful. 311 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,000 If you get a tie, you're not successful, but you a new 312 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,560 opportunity presents itself. If you miss, you miss. 313 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:11,600 So that core resolution system was there from the beginning, 314 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,240 and it's just like an idea that I had and I thought would be 315 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,840 fun. Balancing that has been kind of 316 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,160 tricky. And so there's. 317 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,080 Because, yeah, it's it's just been a little tricky. 318 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,240 It's not like a nice bell curve to work with. 319 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:32,160 You work with like D 20s. That's probably why the D 20s 320 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,280 kind of systems are so popular. It's it's easy to to grok. 321 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,080 And so we had to kind of go off of feel and say OK, well we'll 322 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,680 give you plus one for that ability. 323 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,760 How about that? And like we would do this for, 324 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,520 we'd play and it felt like nothing was hitting. 325 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,520 And so I'd say, all right, here's a new version. 326 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,760 Everyone gets to add plus one to one thing or something like 327 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,640 that. So I tried a few different 328 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,840 things, and what we have now is kind of the result of all that 329 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,440 experimentation. Yeah, it's a really interesting 330 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:14,520 mechanic because a lot of games are like player facing, so GM's 331 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,680 don't roll at all and an arbiter, the GM rolls against 332 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,840 everything but and there's some other games out there that do 333 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:26,120 like a kind of a standard array with like a dice. 334 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:30,760 But it's really interesting to have what amounts to like a. 335 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,680 The word's not getting like a mobile, There's no specific DC. 336 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,240 So instead of being like this is gonna be a 10 and you have to 337 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,480 work like write your time out, like put two together and do 338 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,520 this or that. It's interesting that like 339 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,200 instead of having a DC for something, the contest that 340 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,400 you're doing is also a dice which has potentially like a 341 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,960 different, you know, average and things like that. 342 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,160 So it's a really interesting mechanic and contest obviously 343 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,320 makes sense cuz you're contesting like every role. 344 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,120 But I really like that idea of like this is my dye versus your 345 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:03,720 dye. You might have different dye and 346 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,960 and changing the dye and things like that. 347 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,480 It's a really, really interesting mechanic that 348 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,080 definitely like as soon as I saw it my brain went I'm not good 349 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,760 enough at maths. I really like like really dig 350 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,280 deep enough into this but it's fun. 351 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,760 It seems fun. I spent a lot of time in that 352 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,840 dice simulation app that's online. 353 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,720 You know it. Perhaps the other one, anyway 354 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,600 is. It any dice? 355 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,560 Yeah, yeah. That's the one. 356 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,360 Yeah. Yeah, I have also spent a lot of 357 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:31,840 time on any dice. Yeah, yeah, that seems. 358 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,320 Fun like, like it's a fun like adversarial. 359 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,440 And I don't mean that as a negative like you can have a fun 360 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,560 adversarial time with your with your arbiter or game master. 361 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,080 But like, I think that'd be a blast to be rolling against my 362 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,800 players and kind of like this is a win out on this one, man. 363 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,560 Are there like a lot of fun? Like I want to like say 364 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,000 adversarial. Like a negative, like fun 365 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,680 rivalry moments between like the arbiter and the play testers 366 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:01,240 when you guys run it. You know, I I would say no more 367 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:08,000 than usual. I guess a lot of times, you 368 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,160 know, when I played other games, I have the screen up and I'm not 369 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:15,520 rolling publicly, but for some reason with Beatle Knight, I 370 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,200 have always played it rolling publicly. 371 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,200 And so you see the difficulty and you see the result. 372 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,200 And so there can be this dramatic moments where you 373 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,400 recognize how difficult it was gonna be, and then you're and 374 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,400 even if you have like AD 4, you can still beat AD 12. 375 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,760 So those can be some fun, dramatic moments. 376 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,600 I suppose that you don't really necessarily get another styles 377 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,120 play. If it's just too hard, it's too 378 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:49,440 hard, right? But in theory, you could roll AD 379 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:55,000 100 and beat it with AD 4, so it's just probably probably not 380 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,240 going to happen, yeah. And also I mean getting 381 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,280 expertise in like an ability in Butte Knight, which is like the 382 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,320 plus one you're talking about like that's like a + 1 key, very 383 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,240 meaningful, pretty much every die size. 384 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,320 I mean when you get to AD 20, it's less meaningful, but like 385 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,640 for A10 or A12 or 4I mean plus one is very meaningful. 386 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,840 I mean, if you're ruling D sixes against an enemy that has AD 8 387 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,560 as a defense, then it's it's not going to feel that you're you're 388 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,000 not going to feel that great. You're going to miss more often 389 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,640 than you hit. You put a plus one in there, it 390 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,280 starts feeling better. I, generally speaking, have not 391 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,160 given foes those plus one modifiers and so it's slightly 392 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,520 in the player's favor. However, if they're strong 393 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,560 enemy, they'll be using those higher die higher dice. 394 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,440 So anyway. Yeah, but no, that's I. 395 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,920 And just the more we talk about it, the more we're excited about 396 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,440 it. Cuz this is the nitty gritty of 397 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,880 like game design stuff that's like so like I get really 398 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,640 excited about because when you look at like the the dice 399 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,440 mechanics, I mean everything has an average, but like you said 400 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,760 like AD 100 could be beat by AD 4 every now and then. 401 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,200 So I really like this like AD six, more often than not is 402 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,440 gonna lose to AD 8. But it could also at any point 403 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,760 be a massive success or massive failure. 404 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,640 And it feels like there's a lot of like swing and an innate 405 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040 feeling of like difficulty. So your successes feel more 406 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,160 successful. And I didn't even thought when I 407 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,680 read this that you would use the GM screen. 408 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,760 Like, it never even crossed my mind. 409 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,080 Because like with the contest role, I would assume that, like 410 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,720 that almost makes it less adversarial because it's just 411 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,960 like it's not you rolling, it's the queen rolling hard dye and 412 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,680 then when you roll the two together you see it. 413 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,960 So it never even crossed my mind to like 5 E fudge rolls or 414 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,360 whatever, like behind a screen and that just feels cool. 415 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,080 There's this other aspect there where because there's the 416 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,280 challenge. Well, OK, there's this mechanic 417 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,600 of promoting dice or demoting dice, and so you have like your 418 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,840 your array of dice D4 through pretty much D12. 419 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,520 It's what players will mostly play in. 420 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:14,240 And let's say you're really clever and you, you know, you 421 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280 give yourself some sort of advantage. 422 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,040 Well, you can promote your dice using that advantage. 423 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:28,480 The arbiter will have to sort of grant you that, but it makes it 424 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,480 so you can use creativity in order to give yourself a a 425 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080 better sort of position to play with. 426 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,200 And it's it's just baked right in. 427 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:44,040 So at the same time if you're making mistakes and and slipping 428 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,000 and and fumbling a whole bunch then you can have your dye 429 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,200 demoted as well. And so yeah, and that's also 430 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,280 built in too. So like during combat, if you 431 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,760 try to do it's, it's actually based on Pathfinder. 432 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,880 You have three actions each round. 433 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,680 If you try to do the same action more than once, your dice get 434 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,520 demoted. If you try to do more than once, 435 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,360 not the same thing more than once. 436 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,680 And so yeah, it's just kind of a mechanic that gets used 437 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,680 throughout. Yeah, there's also powers that 438 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,360 give you that promote or demote dice for yourself, or propose 439 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,960 so. Again fun mathy dice fits are so 440 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,800 interesting like a lot of games would just go OK, you get 441 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,800 advantage now you get to roll 2D6, take the higher or 442 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,080 whatever. I love the idea of keeping it 443 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,400 consistent and keeping it with like the dice versus dice and if 444 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,240 AD 8 is better than AD 6, having the opportunity to roll the DA 445 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,680 instead of AD 6 because you put yourself in a better position or 446 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,600 something. It feels so clean and elegant 447 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,120 and staying within that feel where it almost has like a feel 448 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:53,240 of almost like a usage die ish feel, but as like a core 449 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,200 mechanic where it can like promote and demote and stuff and 450 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,800 it just it feels really elegant. Like I'm I'm really excited to 451 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,720 sit down and actually play this and actually get in hand just 452 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,120 cause it feels different than a lot of games that you play for a 453 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:06,120 lot of the reasons we've just had. 454 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,760 It's contested roles and everything. 455 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:13,080 But again, with like the set kind of array and the options to 456 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,840 go up and down on the dice, it just feels just interesting. 457 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,240 I appreciate that. I have other ideas with the 458 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,960 system. Anyway, maybe we'll talk about 459 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,600 that. I don't know. 460 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:31,480 Yeah, you start playing around with a system like this and it's 461 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,240 like there's different ways of doing things and all of a sudden 462 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,440 it changes the way that you think about how you do roles and 463 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,400 how you, like, resolve things. And it kind of brings me to 464 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,000 something here, which is this is being released under Creative 465 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:55,360 Commons BYS A4, point O. So my real, like, hope of like, 466 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,840 the legacy of the game is that other people will take it and do 467 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,440 crazy stuff with it that I never had hoped up. 468 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,800 So if you're listening to this, you know, go crazy. 469 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,880 I I will. I will tell and tell me about it 470 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,800 because I want to hear about it. Yeah. 471 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,800 I mean. A lot of games have seen a lot 472 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,320 of like Lifeblood infused into them by the Creative Commons and 473 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,440 like this that kind of like communal openness to like hacks 474 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,920 and 3rd party material. So that's AI think that's always 475 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,120 a really great approach. Yeah, I mean, I'm a heck of. 476 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,280 I've taken advantage of that with Karen. 477 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,800 So yeah. And it's, I mean it's been cool. 478 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,800 You can get kind of plugged into a community and there's all 479 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,600 these great Karen hacks out there now. 480 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,800 And I don't know. Anyway, I hope people do that do 481 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,000 it crazy well. It feels like a very. 482 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,760 Attackable game. Like even just going through it. 483 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,520 Like obviously we read a shit load of games and and everything 484 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,360 like that. So like we go through mechanics 485 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,040 and stuff a bunch. But like there's sometimes you 486 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,280 look at a game and go oh I could I could act the shit out of this 487 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,560 like this is this feels like one of those not only in we talked a 488 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,600 little bit before before we got on about we just played Blister 489 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,640 Curtis the other day and like Mouse readers like one of the 490 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,800 the flavors of of the year for Zing Quest and stuff. 491 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,760 I'm not playing humans opens the door. 492 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,280 It's like so much creativity. So like someone could easily 493 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,000 just be like well I don't like bugs so this is gonna be like 494 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,560 like birds or something and could really reskin it that way 495 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,840 Or the dice mechanic has so much fun math that could that could 496 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,800 come out of it too. So this is definitely one of 497 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,120 those ones where like I would, I'm excited for this game, but 498 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,720 I'm just as excited for like the community that could build up 499 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,840 around it and all of like the jams and things that could come 500 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,880 out to see it expand in in interesting ways. 501 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,960 Yeah. I mean if you can sort of like 502 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,680 wrap your heads around, all right, We want to be able to 503 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,320 give players an opportunity to have a plus one here or to be 504 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,960 able to promote permanently some ability. 505 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,840 Those are little mouths that you can add flavor that you can use 506 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,880 to add flavor. So for example previously we 507 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,520 just had the ability to add you you could promote one dye and 508 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,640 you give plus one to two different abilities. 509 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,400 So that's cool. But then people started saying 510 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,360 hey can I play you know a a Firefly. 511 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:25,080 Well what I what I did is I just took that same those same kind 512 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,360 of bonuses and spread it around the different species and it it 513 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:36,040 added a lot of flavor a lot more variety and but really under 514 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,800 under the hood it's the same thing happening same mechanics 515 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,880 so very cool. That's one of the nice things 516 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,840 about lighter systems is being able to just kind of use flavor 517 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,920 to move things around. It still feels good. 518 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,400 One of my other favorite parts about the game is the calling. 519 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,960 One of the issues with issues, I say issues. 520 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,840 One of the things that can come up in like OSR games is like, 521 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,280 why am I doing this? You know what I mean? 522 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,560 Like this world sucks. Like why am I adventuring or. 523 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,480 And this isn't like XP for gold, right? 524 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,720 Or Golda's XP. So there's a really elegant way 525 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,520 that you kind of fix that with this, especially with the idea 526 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,880 of the good night traveling. So what is the calling? 527 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,840 What was kind of your impetus for when to put that in the 528 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,000 system? Well, yeah, I mean from writing 529 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,320 a lot of adventures, there's always, I think it's always 530 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:40,160 helpful to have a motivation. And so, yeah, I mean you just 531 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,480 see that with adventures, if they don't have that motivation, 532 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:49,680 yeah, as a a game master you can create it, but if the character 533 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,560 has a motivation, it all of a sudden there there's emotional 534 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,640 investment. And so I wanted to get that with 535 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:05,160 Beetle Knight as well. And the idea here is that as in 536 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,560 order kind of to become a knight, you need to have lived 537 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:15,320 through some really tragedy. And so there's just a few tables 538 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,360 here to determine your calling, your call to knighthood. 539 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,480 So what were you before, then what happened? 540 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,560 And now because of that, what do you seek? 541 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,680 So for example, you could perhaps before you were a Moss 542 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:36,000 light scout scholar and then your world was destroyed by a 543 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:42,360 killing frost and then you seek to heal what was destroyed and 544 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,720 so and you know there's a few options and you know with the 545 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,680 combination there. There's a lot of different 546 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:55,040 options here. And I also explicitly say if if 547 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,840 you don't like what you get, you know come up with your own 548 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,920 thing. The idea here is to create a 549 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:07,480 motivation that in turn can be given to the arbiter, as you 550 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,400 know, quest fodder essentially. So I don't know when I've done 551 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,520 also like collaborative world building, you, you wind up 552 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,880 creating that emotional investment over the course of 553 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,400 the world building. And that as a game master has 554 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,960 given me lots of tools to work with. 555 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,400 So this just kind of builds that right in, yeah. 556 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,080 Yeah, so you know, I started with 5E like you said you did, 557 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,880 and it I feel like it was like it was like just yesterday, but 558 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,440 those ten years ago. And. 559 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,679 The thing, one of the reasons that I kind of moved away from 560 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:55,880 it, and this will be a point at some point was it just felt like 561 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,960 I didn't want to be just like a a a heroic, like somebody who 562 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,000 was chosen and eventually becomes a God. 563 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,520 And I was tired of just having to be like an OC generator where 564 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,480 I have no danger because you're not gonna kill this character 565 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,200 that I wrote a 10 page back story for. 566 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,920 So then you switch to OSR games or OSR style games or whatever 567 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,800 we're call it, NSR games, whatever it is. 568 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,480 Now sometimes you do feel that I don't want to write a 10 page 569 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200 back story. I like the emergence of my 570 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,200 character in play and having something like this where I can 571 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,120 start the game with just like I don't need to write a bunch of 572 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,040 stuff. Like I can say like I know what 573 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,240 I did before, I know what happened. 574 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,480 I don't know what I'm like, doing now. 575 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,240 And it's really easy to be like, all right, 3D6, all right, this 576 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,640 is me, let's go figure out. And like you said, having these 577 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,320 options for like daggers that the the GM can have to like stab 578 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,520 you in the back later. Like the Locus swarm could be a 579 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,320 hold of Venture because they come back or something. 580 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,920 It's so it's so nice to be able to have that much information 581 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,200 and on both the player and the GM side without having to have a 582 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,440 huge back story, without having to have a whole module or 583 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,360 supplement that builds around stuff like that. 584 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,120 So it's really enjoyable and elegant and I wish more games 585 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,480 had exactly. That's like a reason to be doing 586 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,960 what you're doing. Well, I mean that's you know we 587 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,960 talked earlier before about into the odd. 588 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,800 It's one of those ones that's just kind of built in and you 589 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,960 just get it. You don't have to create 590 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:28,120 yourself and it it does, it may kind of force you to put 591 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,120 yourself into shoes that you wouldn't necessarily choose 592 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,960 yourself or or couldn't actually even create yourself because 593 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,640 you're not that person. You know, like it's it's nice to 594 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,480 be able to kind of let go of the reins and and see what you get. 595 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,440 But you know that with 5th edition, one thing that I I do 596 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,720 kind of like is the personal investment. 597 00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:00,600 But with OSR style games, being able to spin up a character in 598 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:06,440 just you know, 15 minutes, it's so appealing. 599 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,720 I don't know. You sit down at the table and 600 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,520 and you just start playing right there is. 601 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,480 Something nice about like yeah it's like instead of having an 602 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,160 hour session where I make a character, I think I'm I'm 603 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,960 probably much quicker than that now but a lot of people aren't. 604 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,720 It's like no, just re roll, you know, like, I mean we were 605 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,920 playing bastards for a while at my table and it's like you it's 606 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,560 like 2 dice rolls and you're 3 dice rolls and your character's 607 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,640 made and I I don't know I do understand like that implicit 608 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,480 narrative that the player character creates themselves for 609 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,480 5E and like that being cool for buy in. 610 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,960 But like I am much more this like that emergence narrative. 611 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,960 But I do like like having like like the night calling like a 612 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,320 before then and seeks like that's as much information as I 613 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,640 want about my own character and that'll carry a long way you 614 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,080 know? Yeah. 615 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,560 And something else though that came up in this conversation is 616 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,400 beginning. God like ours. 617 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,400 So you know, each of these callings could be maybe a 618 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,640 adventure in itself, but I don't think Beatle Knight is gonna be 619 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,240 your multi year game. I would love it if it was. 620 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:28,960 We played it for about a year, but the way that leveling works, 621 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,240 there is no leveling in the game. 622 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,000 And so the only way that you gain more power is by getting 623 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,560 new emblems, which we haven't really talked about or special 624 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,560 items or you know, other things like that. 625 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:51,400 So I think it's just the right amount of sort of time to 626 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,600 resolve some of these these conflicts that come up during 627 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,600 character creation, if you see what I'm saying. 628 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,680 Yeah. No, absolutely. 629 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,480 Yeah and and kind of a hundreds out a little bit. 630 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,880 Like I like this feels like a nice medial middle ground 631 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,040 between like the the the 5E background stuff and with like 632 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,880 the OSR. Like you get nothing stuff where 633 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,440 like you can have some engagement with your character 634 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,640 and have a little bit of back story built in without having to 635 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,000 to, you know create a whole life story. 636 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,240 It's to me exactly what he said, like this feels like as much as 637 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,640 I want and it's more than you get with a lot of like more NSR 638 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,960 games. So I I really like that middle 639 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,120 ground it dude. It feels nice. 640 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,800 Cool. So, so this so this is on 641 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,400 Kickstarter right now. Thanks. 642 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,240 Yeah. We're just like, we like your 643 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,080 game. Go back it and go back it. 644 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,320 It is on Kickstarter right now. It is for Zinequest. 645 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,480 It's got 17 days left. I feel like we've been doing 646 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,840 Zinequest for like 6 years now is what it feels like, but 647 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,560 there's still like half a month left. 648 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,280 There's 17 days to go when people click the link which we 649 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,280 will provide for them and they come to be it all night and back 650 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,400 this project, what can they expect to get? 651 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,240 I know you said at one point like multiple pamphlets or 652 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,960 something, but what can you actually get when you back the 653 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,600 project? Yeah, it has grown from even in 654 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,640 January when I started planning out the project. 655 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,920 At first it was just gonna be a zene, kind of a chunky zene. 656 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,160 But as kind of more people came on board with the project, I've 657 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,800 split it up into a few different books. 658 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,160 So what we have is the core rules. 659 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,600 So the quick start is the closest thing you'll see to the 660 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,840 core rules. But there's a couple other 661 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,600 things that we're going to add, like a new create your character 662 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:39,360 section and procedures for play and like recommendations for 663 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,680 arbiters, that sort of thing. So there's that. 664 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,600 Then we have the Litterfall World Guide, and Litterfall is 665 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,760 the the name of the of the world. 666 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,200 That Litterfall literally means the the leaves that cover the 667 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,840 forest for. And by the way, these first two 668 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,480 are gonna be riso graph printed on the covers on colored paper, 669 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,880 and then we're gonna get some nice kind of textured paper for 670 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,880 the interiors as well. Nice. 671 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,640 Yeah. I'm a big fan of that. 672 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,480 We're working with Hobos Collective, who you might know. 673 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,800 Yeah, Logar, yeah, And they're starting a new print outfit. 674 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,280 And so anyway, I'm working with them on that. 675 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,560 But the World Guide will also have like story hooks. 676 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:39,120 It has 10 NPCS by Amanda P and she's great. 677 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:46,120 And then Warren WF Smith from Prismatic Wasteland is going to 678 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,880 do some running for factions, gods and powers. 679 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,640 I'm just looking at the the Kickstarter now. 680 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,640 All right, so those are the kind of the two core books. 681 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,400 Now we have 2 adventures as well, the Elm Root glimmer, 682 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,520 which I am writing, which is a point crawl with the dungeon 683 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,920 crawl. So I think it'll take you quite 684 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,080 a well a handful of sessions to complete. 685 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,040 It's not done yet. And then what is tentatively 686 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:21,720 called Egg Fall, which is by M Quintanilla, who'd she did try 687 00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:26,040 the beetle milk and oh gosh, now the the name of the other one is 688 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,320 eluding you. Falls. 689 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,880 Yes, thank you. I love. 690 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,680 I love that one. The Karen right here. 691 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,080 Yeah. Yeah. 692 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:40,160 Also another Karen author. So, yeah. 693 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,640 And they're doing great stuff. I've seen like, the worst in 694 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,280 progress. Yeah. 695 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,760 Fangwich balls. I just. 696 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,520 I love Fangwich Balls and the style. 697 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,920 I mean they're already working with beetles and bugs so it's 698 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,920 like right on brand. And then Matthew Morris is 699 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,920 actually going to be doing the the solo rolls. 700 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,280 So and he's started on those. So yeah that's what you get. 701 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,120 In addition, a couple, well, we've we've actually done all of 702 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:16,680 these stretch goals and so there's like a well, there'll be 703 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,160 more writing, but they'll also be like a bookmark and a rule 704 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:28,080 summary card for for players. So that's what you get a lot 705 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,000 going on there. There's multiple tiers too. 706 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,160 And so right now, if if you're on a budget, I know Zine Quest 707 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,000 is terrible for everyone's wallet. 708 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,560 Painful, but there. Yeah, there's an $8 tier to get 709 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,280 all of the PDFs, so it's it's really cheap and a lot of people 710 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,720 are backing at that level, which is great. 711 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,720 Then there's a level for $14.00, The Litter Fall Relic gets you 712 00:43:55,720 --> 00:44:00,120 just the core book, the Beatle Knight core rules, and then gets 713 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,120 you PDFs of everything else. And then there's a version that 714 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,880 you get all the books and then lastly there's a T-shirt. 715 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,360 There is a tier with all the books and AT shirt. 716 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,600 We do love AT shirt, man, I mean. 717 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:22,320 Yeah, I'm leaning back to show the Goblins and Gardens T-shirt 718 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:28,160 that I'm wearing now. But yeah, that cover art, it I 719 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,200 think will just look really good as a screen print. 720 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,560 So yeah. Absolutely. 721 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,120 So I think there's a lot, I think it's enough where if you 722 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,880 if you back it, you'll have, you know a a lot of play out of the 723 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,120 system if you want it does sound. 724 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,280 Like, yeah, there's a lot like this. 725 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,480 I do appreciate the all PDF tier because yes, I feel like Zine 726 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,560 Quest. Like, I love the idea, but man, 727 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,080 it's sure an expensive. Expensive. 728 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,000 Time, you know. Yeah, and I I wanted. 729 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,800 I wanted something more affordable and so that's why I 730 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,440 had that $14.00 tier, because when you start putting all these 731 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:16,160 books together, like the production costs really, they 732 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,080 really go up. So, yeah, well. 733 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,640 Especially with the quality of the book that you're talking 734 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,560 about, like Rizzo graph printing with like a texture paper 735 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,520 inside, that's not the same as just ripping off like a regular 736 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,320 Zine too. So that's gonna go too as well. 737 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,200 But. Some of these will be kind of a 738 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,360 your Mixum prints, but I want the core book and the Litter 739 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:45,440 Fall guide to have that riso graph quality to them cuz I just 740 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,400 love that. We were talking about a game 741 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,800 last week, then the Rizo graph. It's so pretty, it's so nice. 742 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,240 It's so clean. It's really nice. 743 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,840 I'm really glad that that's what you went with. 744 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,200 And I mean, the list of people that you have on the project is 745 00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,320 fantastic. And I don't even know if we 746 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,560 talked about there's additional art from PR from Perplexing 747 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,360 Ruins and Rock Romero 2, who are both fantastic artists. 748 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,520 Yeah, I mean Perplexing Ruins and I, we worked together well. 749 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,200 He worked, did the illustrations on my very first project that 750 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,600 it's like this 5th edition project that's only really on 751 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,840 Patreon so and we've been working together ever since. 752 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,600 I've done art for some of his books and back and forth, so I 753 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,000 always enjoy working with him. And then Roke, we've been 754 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,600 talking for a while, we've been wanting to do something together 755 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,600 and you know, this is the perfect, the perfect 756 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,600 opportunity. I really liked Kodak's R for for 757 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,240 Troika, the art and that that he did, it's just like awesome. 758 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,160 Really, really unique style. Yeah. 759 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,320 And I, as we're talking about contributors, I do want to shout 760 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,680 out Chris Shorb right now, who is the game design editor. 761 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,680 I put out a version of Beatle Knight on the NSR Discord this 762 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,000 past summer. And I'm like, this is ready, I'm 763 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,440 gonna, I'm gonna put it out there. 764 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,960 And he started just like, commenting and giving notes, 765 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,000 just for free. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, can I, 766 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,960 can I pay you to do this, please? 767 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,600 Because this is so valuable. So and he had never done 768 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,200 anything like that before, but he really helps like kind of 769 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,720 focus the project into something that's more usable. 770 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:42,640 So when you're working on one thing for two years, you become 771 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,160 blind to like some basics. So it's been, yeah, it's been 772 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,360 really great to have some detailed passes from him. 773 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,160 Yeah, I'm still working through his latest round of edits, but 774 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,160 they'll make it in there, be sure. 775 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,920 It's always great to have a good editor. 776 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,760 And just remember, even editors have editors. 777 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,280 So for anyone out there that's creating stuff that doesn't have 778 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,280 an editor, it's a good idea to reach out to somebody and have 779 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,440 an editor. Very, very, very much so. 780 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,120 So obviously we're super excited for this project. 781 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,880 Like, I'm so like, this is actually one of my, probably my 782 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,440 favorite projects that are in Z Inquest right now. 783 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,400 Just a lot of it, cuz the mechanics like again, like just 784 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,000 the simple elegance of something that's a little bit different is 785 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,040 really exciting to play with. So can't wait for this to come 786 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,440 out. But Beatle nights got 17 days 787 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,200 left on it. What's the future look like for 788 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:42,080 Brooklyn games after this? Well, in the past I've done like 789 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,160 a crazy clip of creating stuff and that was too much for me. 790 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:51,000 So really what I'm trying to do is like one really high quality 791 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,360 project a year. So Beetle Knight is going to be 792 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:01,480 the big thing for this year. I expect that it will require 793 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,240 support going forward. I well, I hope it does for the 794 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,280 the next few years. So what's coming next? 795 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,000 It might be something else for Beetle Night? 796 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,800 I don't really know really. I'm just focusing on this right 797 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,880 now. I do have another project that 798 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:27,080 I've been cooking for a while though, for Karen, and it's it's 799 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,240 like escape the City, where it's a generated, well, like grid 800 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:38,600 crawl, except it's through a sort of magical fae forest. 801 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:45,400 So I've totally destroyed it and built it up from scratch like 3 802 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,960 different times. It's one of those projects. 803 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,560 But yeah, I don't know, I've called it True Tales. 804 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,040 That's the latest name that I've had for it. 805 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,440 I don't know. That's about it, I guess. 806 00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,720 Well, I. Mean. 807 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:03,040 It's good to hear that you're putting time into this and 808 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,280 hopefully expect more Beatle night to come out too. 809 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,640 Cuz once again this feels like something that it could and 810 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,200 should have like a lot of legs, maybe like other legs or 811 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,520 something like a centipede. But yeah, it feels like it could 812 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,760 go and I'm really excited for that. 813 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:24,400 Yeah, I mean realistically we got I'm writing an adventure and 814 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,040 I'm writing and coordinating the Litterfall World Guide, so 815 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,400 that's gonna really keep me busy. 816 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,400 But my goal is to have all this stuff done by the end of the 817 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,040 summer and print it in the fall and shift in the winter. 818 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,840 I've done a few things like this. 819 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:49,840 I think that's doable. It was very reasonable, which is 820 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,000 nice, and it's nice to see so much of it's done already too, 821 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,320 which is cool. So yeah, like I said, we're 822 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:59,040 obviously excited for Beatle night, but anyone listening for, 823 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,640 especially for the Canon 5 E stuff you've done already, like 824 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,120 where can people find the stuff you've already done and where 825 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,320 this stuff will be in the future? 826 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,800 I mean, you can just check me out at brooklyngames.com. 827 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,360 That's BRO. OK, LET games. 828 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,280 That's a tiny, tiny Creek, a tiny brook. 829 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:26,080 And I got my itch linked there and my big cartel linked there. 830 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,800 There's a big thing that says Zen, Zen, Zen. 831 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:35,160 So yeah, click that and you can find my stuff on the official 832 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,480 Karen store. But it goes out of stock pretty 833 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,640 quick there. So, yeah, yeah, that's that. 834 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:46,000 Nice. Yeah. 835 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,560 I saw the e-mail from the Karen store the other day that said 836 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,680 they had reset some of your stuff or put some new stuff on 837 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,240 there. So, and I do want to give a 838 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,240 quick shout out too. I know the Hobos collective, a 839 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,960 logar's like press that's coming out. 840 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,680 It's very, I mean it's it's it's going to be distributing Beatle 841 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:08,240 Night, but it's also very like Pro Union, very pro, very, very. 842 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,760 Go check it out, Please support them, support the stuff that 843 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,560 they're doing. Logar's fantastic and that I'm 844 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,960 really excited what they're doing with that press. 845 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,000 But it's cool to see that, that you're working with them for a 846 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,680 distribution on that. So just wanted to make sure they 847 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,120 shout them out. We'll make sure to link them as 848 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,040 well. Yeah, they're they're great. 849 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,200 I I really like working and and just talking with Logar, he's 850 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,920 awesome. So yeah. 851 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,560 Yeah. But hey, listen, Jim, thank you 852 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,480 so much for coming on. Like I said, obviously we're 853 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,320 very excited about this. Can't wait to get it in hand. 854 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,880 Absolutely. I can't wait to see more Beatle 855 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,280 night, too. But we really appreciate you 856 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,200 being here and letting me, like, talk at you for a while. 857 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,120 So thank you so much for that. Yeah, I appreciate you having me 858 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,040 on. That was great. 859 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,800 All right. So as always, the links for 860 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,560 everything we've talked about will be in the descriptions 861 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,400 below. Our links are next to us and 862 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,240 we'll be there too. And that's me, us for today. 863 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,720 So once again, thank you for being here and everyone out 864 00:52:58,720 --> 00:52:59,560 there. Have a nice day. 865 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,560 Bye, bye.